IRC log for #openmoko on 20090107

00:00.01rasteras i tend to keep all my context in my head
00:00.11quatroxgreat
00:00.11rasterso i tend to focus on 1 thing at a time
00:00.20jcme2...
00:00.21rasterand work at that 1 thing mercilessly - then move to the next
00:00.26jcbut I don't usually return to old code :D
00:00.33rasterand maybe in a few months it's time to fix/improve thngs
00:00.35rasterso i come back
00:00.53rasterand often i find other people have patched it into a dogs breakfast by the time i come back
00:00.57rasterso i need to fix it all again
00:00.58raster:)
00:01.11jcpoeple have commit access to your svn ?
00:01.22jcway to make your day suck..
00:01.36jcs/poeple/people/
00:02.28quatroxraster: that is because there is too few of you:)
00:02.37jcdevs using git usually have only one dictator with commit access and several slaves sending patches from theyr branches ;)
00:02.46rasterjc yes. actually 50 or so do :)
00:02.52jcthat sucks :)
00:02.55rasterjc: and i get emails of every commit
00:03.21quatroxgit clone raster;
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00:03.28raster3113 mails for commits in my svn commits inbox since august last year
00:03.29jche uses svn ;P
00:03.44quatroxi know
00:03.50quatroxtoo bad
00:04.01quatrox:P
00:04.01SpeedEvilWho authorised this clone army?
00:04.02rasteri really dont get a chance to review everything
00:04.04jcwell there are a few disadvantages in git..
00:04.06rasterhahahaha
00:04.26jclike not tracking empty directories..
00:05.09jcor the time it takes to clone a repo and disk usage..
00:05.09jcbut my projects are very small usually and I dont mind...
00:05.32jcreally for in house projects with a few devs its a dream...
00:06.40quatroxjc: don't forget that you cannot get one subdir
00:06.53SpeedEvilcb22: thanks for that :)
00:06.57jcquatrox: what ?
00:07.07quatroxwith git
00:07.18jcwhat do you mean ?
00:07.24jcyou can have however deep dirs you want
00:07.32jcbut it tracks the files inside, not the dirs
00:07.44jcso if you have empty dir, it doesn't track ti
00:07.44cb22SpeedEvil, heh, don't want you to get your hopes up ;)
00:07.49jc*it
00:08.02SpeedEvilcb22_: I suppose I need to jam tcpdump on the router.
00:08.04quatroxyou must checkout the whole thing
00:08.11jcooh that
00:08.12jcyeah
00:08.23quatroxbut
00:08.29jcI didn't figure out how to do that either.. but I don't have too anyway
00:08.49jcbut once you initially get the repo, syncing should be fast
00:08.52cb22SpeedEvil, good start. I've had a bad HAL cause really wierd wifi issues for me
00:08.56cb22(on a laptop)
00:09.04cb22like, pings went through fine
00:09.17cb22and telnet worked fine
00:09.45quatroxjc: you can track changes trough files. eg if a function move to a different file
00:09.47cb22but nothing else did, not even ssh. figured it was something to do with packet sizes, but still don't really know the exact cause, only that upgrading the HAL fixed it
00:10.08jcquatrox: didn't need that either ;)
00:10.14jcwe don't change architectures that fast...
00:11.12jcbut it sure beats writing source without version control..
00:11.17quatroxcan be cleanup
00:11.24jcwith one command you switch to entirely other version..
00:11.41jcexcept the occasional resulting empty directory swamp
00:11.44quatroxthakes time
00:12.14quatroxtakes time to switch branch
00:12.37jcwell.. for my projects its almost instantenous.. faster than copying older files over :D
00:13.12jcbut someone like rasterman sure would know better why not use git for larger projects... I don't have any idea personally
00:13.39quatroxwell, at work we have different dirs for each branch
00:13.55jcthats pretty uncool :)
00:14.18quatroxbut the code i work with is a complete system
00:14.27quatrox26k files
00:15.30quatroxincluding our own kernel
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00:15.55jcso, why not use svn?
00:16.14quatroxi use sccs
00:16.38jcsounds pretty old
00:16.39quatroxacient system
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00:17.48quatroxold, but works good:)
00:18.04quatroxnot perfect
00:18.12jcthats good.. git totally works for me :)
00:18.34quatroxi use git at home
00:19.03quatroxsccs is not good at solving merging conflicts
00:19.24jcI didnt get one yet.. strange..
00:19.35jcguess we have it pretty good organized..
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00:20.10jcor maybe its because I do most of the work anyway :D
00:21.04jcanyway I'm really off to sleep now, its pretty late
00:21.08jcnice talking, bye :)
00:21.51quatroxmaybe because you only modify line x in file y in one branch
00:21.55quatroxbye
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00:22.48CIA-46freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07tracking * r88c8bb722671 10gsm0710muxd/src/gsm0710muxd.c:
00:22.48CIA-46freesmartphone.org: sync. with 1.7 upstream:
00:22.48CIA-46freesmartphone.org: * report a warning, if ptx buffer is full
00:22.48CIA-46freesmartphone.org: * enable additional SIEMENS C35 functionality
00:22.48CIA-46freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07tracking * rc13531a92312 10gsm0710muxd/ (4 files in 3 dirs): slight configuration changes and more verbose output if we are dropping bytes due to the ptx buffer being full
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00:47.05Sharwin_F-raster, I've managed to set up the keyboard with enlightenment :)
00:47.12rastercool!
00:47.15raster:)
00:48.53Sharwin_F-raster, just one thing... how can I put in the @ with the stylus keyboard? :)
00:49.51quatroxterminal kbd
00:49.58quatroxshift 2
00:50.02quatrox@
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00:50.47rasterSharwin_F-:  shift+2
00:50.55rasterquatrox:  beat me to it :)
00:51.23Sharwin_F-thanks both :)
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01:56.03Digital_PioneerOh, for crying out loud. If this thing didn't cost hundreds of dollars I'd throw it against the wall just for the pleasure of it. It drained a 3/4 full battery in an hour of suspending, and now it won't boot.
01:58.45Vegarfeel free to throw it in my general direction
02:00.50Digital_PioneerStupid prejudiced phone.
02:01.08Digital_PioneerIt refuses to take USB power half the time these days.
02:01.30Digital_PioneerWall charger ONLY.'
02:05.33Kamping_Kaiserweird. perhaps it hates you.
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02:42.38Slaxxerhaha
02:42.47Slaxxerits the software
02:42.59Slaxxerwhat was it
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02:43.48Slaxxermaybe it has a short   no i mean an open
02:44.20Slaxxerthats gotta be it      it has an open
02:45.30Slaxxerlets see the video of that wall test   i bet the freerunner comes out on top
02:46.07Slaxxerput 2008.12 on it
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05:14.26Digital_PioneerOK, got the monster back under control. :P
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05:16.14lindi-Digital_Pioneer: you probably left something extra powered on
05:16.41Digital_PioneerPerhaps... Suspend should turn it all off, IMHO.
05:17.34lindi-Digital_Pioneer: GPS too?
05:17.53Digital_PioneerPersonal preference, not something I expect to see in the next release. But personally, I would rather everything but GSM shut down for suspend. (Everything being peripherals like bluetooth, GPS, wifi)
05:18.37Digital_PioneerGPS is arguable.
05:18.50Digital_PioneerBut I wasn't using GPS. :)
05:19.28lindi-Digital_Pioneer: well, were they powered on on resume?
05:19.45Digital_PioneerWell, when it died, it never did resume.
05:19.50Digital_PioneerIt shut down.
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05:20.11Digital_PioneerHad to reboot, and THEN it wouldn't take power from USB. Had to plug it into the wall. That's a real pain in the rear.
05:21.02lindi-Digital_Pioneer: yeah next time check what is powered when you resume
05:21.22Digital_PioneerHow exactly? I have SHR.
05:22.22Digital_PioneerI just hope some of this stuff gets fixed in 2.6.28.
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05:24.56lindi-look at the power_on files in /sys
05:25.40Digital_PioneerHmm, sounds like something to mess with later. :P
05:25.50Digital_PioneerI'll probably write a script to tell me or something.
05:26.08lindi-sure, i just type "device list" to see it
05:27.55Digital_PioneerI take it that's a command?
05:28.10Digital_PioneerOr a script you wrote?
05:29.30lindi-my script
05:30.03Digital_PioneerAhh.
05:30.13Digital_PioneerHow's that dialer of yours coming, BTW?
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06:32.53gfather1raster u there ?
06:33.03rasteryo
06:33.07gfather1yo yo
06:33.16rastergoes down and up
06:33.37gfather1good morning , just woked up , i forget what i want to talk about
06:33.49rasterhahaha
06:33.54gfather1:)
06:34.05gfather1ya
06:34.29gfather1m8 , im gonna work on the localization of openmoko for arabic
06:35.00gfather1so i was searching for documentations and info  
06:35.18gfather1so the guys told me to ask @ enlitment channel
06:36.34gfather1i went there , and they told me the enlightenment dosent support bidirectional text
06:36.38gfather1:(
06:37.35gfather1so raster , can we make it support  ?
06:37.53rasterit doesnt
06:37.56rasterleft to right only
06:38.04rasteri speak no right-to-left languages
06:38.10rasterso been waiting for patches
06:38.11raster:)
06:38.33DieMumieei thouth bidi is about having right to left texts inside left-to-right text and vice-versa
06:38.42raster(i only speak european and east-asian languages)
06:38.54rasterDieMumiee: correct
06:38.59rasterright to left in principle isnt hard
06:39.04gfather1yah , but cant we make it support ?
06:39.06rasterits when you mix the fuckers
06:39.24rasterie quote english in an arabic sentence
06:39.26rasteror vice-versa
06:39.32rastergfather1:  waiting for patches
06:39.33raster:)
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06:39.42gfather1brb 1 minute
06:39.48DieMumiee:)
06:39.59rasteri repeat
06:40.01DieMumieejust a minute for bidi.. raster shame on you!
06:40.06rasteri dont speak any of those languages
06:40.14rasteri would have no idea if the arabic was being composed right
06:40.38rasteras i believe arabic also requires composition - i.e. placing one letter on top of the other
06:41.06rasterbut i dont speak/read/write it
06:41.15rasteri know when korean, chinese and japanese are done right
06:41.18DieMumieetext layouting with word wrapping in bidi text is shurely hard enough
06:41.27rasterand anything roman-like (ie all western languages)
06:41.46rasterso if someone who knows about it wants to do patches.. no complaints here
06:42.40rasteroh god help with the full formatting
06:42.45rasterwith wrapping etc.
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06:50.28gfather1im back
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06:50.47rasterscroll up
06:50.50gfather1so is there someone doing the patches , or still no one started it
06:51.01gfather1yes i read
06:51.03rasterno one
06:51.07rasterhad 2 peolpe offer before
06:51.12geccogood morning
06:51.13rasterand they vanished without doing anything
06:52.20gfather1i can help with the composition and everything , but im not a C programer to do it alone :(
06:52.47rastertime to find one then :)
06:52.55gfather1:)
06:52.57rasteri certainly dont have any spare time :(
06:53.02gfather1:(
06:53.07rasterso i'm not wondering what to do with my free hours
06:53.11rasteri have none
06:53.16rasteri'm lucky to get enough sleep
06:53.30gfather1any one u know who can help ?
06:53.43rasterthere's probably a few around here
06:53.54rasteror on #e or #edevelop
06:54.00rasterbut most coders are busy
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06:54.35gfather1if you can ask them , as you are known here and there , i dont think anyone would listen to me
06:54.50rasteractually they are more likely to
06:55.06rasteras you should find programmers who speak/do/know arabic etc.
06:55.12rasterso it'd be within your community
06:55.19rasterthose are peolpe who will find it important
06:55.21rasterpeople
06:55.29rasterand thus have it high up their todo lists
06:55.39gfather1cabt be the code ported from another place ?
06:55.51rasterpossibly
06:55.56rasterlike using fribidi
06:55.58rasteror pango
06:56.06rasterpango is rather complex
06:56.50rasterbut for me - arabic (right to left anything - includes hebrew, yiddish, farsi etc. too) is way down a priority list
06:56.58rasteri have people wanting list widgets
06:57.07rastersms editor/viewer apps and tutorials
06:57.20gfather1yes i see
06:57.26rastercore graphics acceleration routines, gl-es support...
06:57.33rastera tonne of things to do
06:57.43gfather1yes i surlly understand
06:58.00raster(thats only some of the things on my list)
06:58.12gfather1well i m8 be able to port the code from fribidi ,
06:58.16gfather1is it that hard ?
06:58.27rasteras best i know fribidi is a library
06:58.30rasterso you just use its api
06:58.57rastersame with pango
06:59.27gfather1so no need to do any porting right
06:59.32rasterno
06:59.39rasterjust figuring out how you'd use it
06:59.45rastercombined with freetype
07:00.01rasterand then figuring out a way to know if text is meant to be L2R or R2L
07:00.03rasterin any string
07:00.16rastertho i guess the libs do that
07:01.59gfather1i think i can do that myself
07:02.00gfather1brb
07:02.08raster:)
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07:28.56gfatherim back :)
07:29.40gfatherso i need 2 applications now , fribidi and freewriter , right
07:32.52gfatherraster u still there
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07:52.21gfatheranyone here ?
07:52.26Tm_Tnever
07:52.42gfatherdamn
07:52.44gfather:)
07:53.08gfatherTm_T how are you
07:53.16Tm_TI'm fine thanks, you?
07:53.21gfatherim good
07:53.33gfathercould you releas a vmware image of om ?
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07:54.00Tm_TI could not
07:54.03lindi-gfather: why insist on a a proprietary emulator?
07:54.34Tm_Tlindi-: oh, there's others?!
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07:55.14gfatherloool
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07:55.56lindi-gfather: not funny :(
07:56.07gfatherguys anyone here caoul releas a vmware image of free runner , or any other relaible virualization ?
07:56.08henkbecause it has a nice gui where you can click a lot...
07:56.47lindi-gfather: freerunner is hardware
07:57.10gfatherand ? \
07:57.11Tm_Thenk: just like me
07:57.12lindi-but yes, web interface too an emulator would be useful
07:57.20gfatherim talking about om
07:57.38gfatherso i can try to experemnt some stuff on
07:57.41lindi-gfather: just build qemu and use it?
07:57.44zash__lindi-: web interface?
07:57.52lindi-zash__: with ajax vnc viewer
07:57.53gfatherit so usfull if u want to experment and revert back or stuff
07:58.11Tm_Tgfather: yes, qemu is useful, you're right
07:58.30gfatherTm_T u tried it , and its killing me
07:58.42gfatheru = i
07:58.46zash__lindi-: implement X11 in javascript+ajax
07:59.07lindi-zash__: why?
07:59.12gfatheri tried the windows version thought , but its not usfull or workable @ all
07:59.13lindi-zash__: vnc is a lot simpler
07:59.22lindi-zash__: and X11 has state
07:59.40lindi-zash__: you can't continue where you left of when you shutdown your client system
07:59.45lindi-s/of/off/
08:00.10zash__:D
08:00.31lindi-zash__: ?
08:01.28zash__if one gets a vnc-server to spit out png's, and accept GET /click?x=1243&y=1234
08:01.45lindi-zash__: sure
08:02.01lindi-should be much easier than doing X11 with javascript :)
08:02.10gfathercommon guys , someone help me out :(
08:04.09zash__gfather: install ubuntu in your vmware, and use the mokomakefile to compile qemu?
08:04.49henkgfather: help yourself, then helps you god...
08:05.17gfatherzash__ i dont want qemu in the first place
08:05.17gfatherhenk lool
08:05.42henkgfather: i'm serious. you are asking for that since at least yesterday. you could just stop asking and do something...
08:05.49lindi-gfather: qemu is the only emulator that supports gta01 specific stuff anyway
08:06.22gfatherhenk if i had freernunner , i woulve done it already myself
08:06.54henkdoes one actually need a FR to do that?
08:07.28Tm_Tno
08:07.45gfather(lindi- ill try the qemu on my ubuntu , and see if its gnna run , as on windows , its bearlly working
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08:09.23henki'd never even have had the idea of running qemu on windows 'g'
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08:13.47Hopscotchgood morning
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08:25.25Ghiottonedoes uboot support the multiboot standard?
08:26.16lindi-Ghiottone: what is the multiboot standard?
08:27.50Ghiottonelindi-, basically is a specification to define a standard way for a bootloader to load an operating system
08:27.55Ghiottonelindi-, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/multiboot/
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08:28.13Ghiottonelindi-, grub supports it
08:29.31lindi-'This specification is primarily targeted at pc,' -- hmm
08:30.21Ghiottonelindi-, :(
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08:33.49zash__meh
08:33.50zash__http://p.zash.se/ISniKQ.txt
08:33.51zash__:(
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08:41.43zash__what does it want from me?
08:50.43lindi-zash__: just outdated wildcards
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09:17.28CervajzHello
09:18.02CervajzDo you know that mplayer (or xterm) installed from Angstrom brokes starting of X server?
09:18.22Cervajz:( I can't install from Angstrom without fear, cause I don't know how repare my X
09:18.32lindi-brokes?
09:19.10Cervajzyes, when I tried install mplayer from Angstrom then my X wasn't start
09:19.15CervajzI'm sorry form my English
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09:23.14CVirushttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/12/12/lenovos-android-phone-for-china-hotter-than-a-g1-with-a-defecti/
09:23.45CervajzDoes have somebady mplayer from Angstrom on Om2008.12?
09:23.49CervajzAnd is it works?
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10:58.36gfatherhello guys
10:59.09gfatherhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Xoo this should emulate om and the same time i can devekop on , right
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13:16.50jc__raster: hello, I have the event/0 cpu usage problem happening right now, as you reported in https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1597
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13:17.13rasterjc__: and oold oold oold bug
13:17.32jc__well.. it happens with fairly new andy-tracking kernel
13:17.48jc__I picked it up because of SDIO fixes without which my card doesn't work
13:18.35jc__4 days ago a person wrote that its fixed in a recent kernel.. and I think I have newer one than that
13:18.39azmodiequick question : whats everone running ad daily distro with freerunner. I was using FDOM but its completley unusable with 2008.12 ?
13:19.30jc__azmodie: I was recently using FDOM without major problems...
13:19.58jc__raster: maybe only difference is my events/0 has about 80% cpu usage
13:20.37jc__My dmesg is full of these:
13:20.37jc__AR6000 Neighbor Report Event
13:20.37jc__bssid 00:02:72:5e:bf:f6
13:20.37jc__AR6000 scan complete: 0
13:21.08rasternot much i can help you with
13:21.15rasterother than "yup.. seen that one"
13:21.21jc__any idea what was it all about ?
13:21.34rastersome interrupt storm for wifi i think
13:21.38rasterother than that - dunno
13:22.09jc__so.. soution would be resetting the wifi module ?
13:22.29jc__I think something like that was possible with wmiconfig, I'll try, thanks :)
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13:24.07jc__oh damn.. I can't compile wmiconfig :/
13:28.18rasteri found suspend and resume again fixed it (often)
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13:29.45jc__raster: thanks.. cant try that now cuz I have a pretty basic gentoo system now and dont have even apmd
13:30.08rasteraah
13:30.44jc__well or if I echo mem >> /sys/power/state, will I be able to wake up again ?
13:30.53gfatherit takes to long to build the development environment
13:31.22rasterummm i think so - but gsm modem should be properly shut down to make sure its goign to suspend/resuem reliably and gsm work
13:31.28rasterwell nto shut down
13:31.33jc__I dont have sim in...
13:31.34rasterbut gsm set into a diffent state
13:32.07jc__sending a command to its TTY would do the work, right ?
13:33.11rasterwell no
13:33.16rasteru need special at commands
13:33.21rasterdont knwo details
13:33.26jc__AT+CFUN=0 was with my old phone
13:33.31jc__I'll try it, it lists this command
13:34.15Shleeath0++
13:34.34jc__well damn.. I dont have /dev/ttySAC0 ...
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13:35.52jc__Shlee: thats the command ?
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13:37.28Shleejc__: No.. thats disconnect if I remember
13:37.31jc__raster: great, it suspended and woke up ok :)
13:38.15jc__Shlee ok, thanks..
13:39.27jc__raster: guess what, the cpu usage is gone :)
13:39.31jc__thanks a lot :)
13:40.40jc__well.. but now my wifi module doesnt work at all :D
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13:59.14gfatherraster if i compiled fribidi or pango on om , does it require any configuration for enlightenment ?
14:01.08gfatheri saw one of the enlightenment packages for opensuse i think , already had pango , so its strange that this one dont
14:02.31gfatherim trying to understand the connection between enlightenment and pango or fribidi but theres not much of documentation or info there
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14:23.23gfatherraster , just small directions and thats it , im confused a little
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15:45.16opentrinityhi i have installed 2008.12 and i have samsung wpe180 bt headset...i try to connect but i have always anche
15:45.34opentrinitysorry..
15:45.40opentrinityi have alway
15:46.02opentrinitycan't get device information: Success
15:46.17opentrinityanyone could help me
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15:49.58henkalx}: done already?
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15:51.04alx}henk: done, sorry :)
15:51.53henkalx}: it's alright, i was just wondering what you are... since you didn't even say hello when joining and i have never seen your nick.
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15:52.39alx}henk: just a french guy with an openmoko, trying to register a nez nickserv nickname :)
15:52.57henkalx}: ok :)
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16:12.55sleipnirjc__:  do you use gentoo on the phone?
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16:25.29jc__sleipnir: yup
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16:26.26sleipnirwhich overlay do you use? just asking because me and some others doing stuff at projects.openmoko.org
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16:27.18jc__sleipnir: you mean portage overlay ?
16:27.25sleipnirjc__:  do you compile natively or cross-compile?
16:27.40sleipnirjc__:  yeah portage overlay
16:28.14jc__sleipnir: natively, and I'm not using any openmoko overlay right now, just the official tree
16:28.28jc__I'm at the beginning, setting up Xorg
16:29.20sleipnirjc__:  I see, we have done some cross-compile fixing, so if you're interested you can find the overlay here: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gentoo/
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16:29.26jc__btw. the layman overlay mentioned in the om wiki doesn't work
16:30.01sleipnirjc__:yeah it's a different one and IIRC unmaintained
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16:30.14jc__sleipnir: that means you can cross compile on your pc and load the stuff into your phone automagically ?
16:30.37sleipnirjc__:  right now i compile on my host and start the phone via NFS
16:31.25jc__sleipnir:  you install normally via emerge on your pc? how can you run arm python ?
16:32.14jc__I was thinking of creating ebuilds for some openmoko stuff later.. so at least you can have fully functional phone system in gentoo
16:32.27jc__since I couldn't find any
16:32.43jc__thanks for the info, its good to know someone else is interested
16:33.17sleipnirjc__:  yeah I emerge to a certain dir (which is root for the phone)
16:33.40sleipnirpython is a bit tricky but we have some patches to get it cross-compiles
16:33.46sleipnir-s +d
16:33.53jc__sleipnir: so you have build host native portage and emerge into another root natively for the phone ?
16:34.00jc__thats cool :)
16:34.15jc__that saves lot of work..
16:34.25sleipnirjc__:  exactly thanks to solars patches it's quite easy
16:34.32jc__is it better than distcc ?
16:34.58sleipnirif you like join #gentoo-openmoko (it's lonely there ;-))
16:35.09jc__allright :)
16:35.20sleipnirjc__:  dunno about distcc, never tried it, but it's easier for sure
16:36.20opentrinitysomeone have problems with bluetooth in OM 2008.12 ?
16:36.46frankS2is it posible to upload my gps coordinates to google map? or earth
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16:37.18frankS2tangogps friends was the one reason i bought openmoko
16:37.21frankS2and he have removed it
16:37.22frankS2lol
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16:49.34SpeedEvilfrankS2: complain!
16:49.55SpeedEvilfrankS2: Or more helpfully explain how much you loved the feature.
16:49.56frankS2ye
16:50.05frankS2i didnt even try it
16:50.06frankS2lol
16:50.13frankS2bought the phone
16:50.17frankS2tried to set up friends
16:50.20frankS2and it was gone
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16:59.20CIA-46freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf77848094654 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): otapi: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor interface
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17:00.12jc__I experienced the feature for a little while and actually found a few freaks around ;)
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17:02.47Slaxxerfriends in tango is gone????
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17:02.58Slaxxerthat cant be right
17:02.59frankS2Slaxxer: yes :(:(:(
17:03.04frankS2www.tangogps.org/friends
17:03.08Slaxxerwhat u using
17:03.17frankS2im using tangogps
17:03.18frankS2lol
17:03.41opentrinitycould u help me with bluetooth?
17:03.50frankS2i never got it to work myelf
17:03.54frankS2havent tried though
17:04.11jc__I got it working on FDOM
17:04.21jc__but I didn't really do much with it, just saw people around here...
17:04.23Slaxxerqtopia to
17:04.28opentrinityhcitool scan works
17:04.42quatroxophonekitd cannot reconnect to dbus when i restart it ( http://om.quatrox.org/om/gprs/opkd.log )
17:04.42opentrinitybut connect gives me
17:04.51opentrinitycan't get device information:success
17:05.11simooHi, i am using qtextended on my free runner and am kinda happy but would like to try SHR. Has anyone much experience with SHR?
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17:05.30Sharwin_Fhi, how do I pass the sound tho the headphones when playing a song with media player 2? when I connect them sounds goes out from headphones and the phone
17:05.44opentrinitysimoo, i use SHR 2 days....not so stable :-/
17:06.04simooopentrinity: right thanks
17:06.05Slaxxertry an earlier image of shr
17:06.31Ainulindaleopentrinity: SHR unstable or testing?
17:06.35Slaxxeran another thing   why are  people so closed mouth about shr
17:06.41opentrinitytesting
17:06.52Ainulindaleopentrinity: What do you mean by not so stable?
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17:07.01simoohttp://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ for the freerunner?
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17:07.07Ainulindale(We didn't release by the way so that's why there's not much talk, and it's not supposed to be stable either)
17:07.11Slaxxerjast image is dec 12:(
17:07.17Slaxxer17th
17:07.19AinulindaleLast packages aren't
17:07.23Slaxxerok
17:07.29AinulindaleWe're currently in the process of deploying the new UI to testing
17:07.31AinulindaleIt'll come soon
17:07.34opentrinityAinulindale, gsm problem...calss messgae
17:07.49Ainulindaleopentrinity: gsm problems means nothing. Please be precise
17:07.49opentrinitysorry :-7
17:08.02AinulindaleAnd I didn't see any bug report from you on trac, so... =)
17:08.08Slaxxergreat thanks for the update
17:08.08simooso maybe stick with qtextended for now and switch later?
17:08.29AinulindaleSlaxxer: I'm preparing a newsletter
17:08.36Slaxxerif u have time switch now
17:08.43Ainulindalesimoo: Try it and see how it feels
17:08.49AinulindaleIf it doesn't please you, try it later
17:08.51opentrinityAinulindale, crash when reciving calls
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17:09.01AinulindaleCrash of what?
17:09.04Slaxxerthank u sie/mame   whichever u are!!
17:09.12Slaxxersir/mame
17:09.20PBeckahoi
17:09.27opentrinityi had to reboot ...i know only this :-/
17:09.34Ainulindaleopentrinity: That doesn't mean a thing
17:09.40simooAinulindale: could you answer a couple of questions about it? Where do I get the images you would reccommend?
17:09.43Ainulindale"Crash" just doesn't mean a thing
17:10.02AinulindaleError window? No window? Ringtone? Log?
17:10.13Ainulindalesimoo: On the URL you just pasted
17:10.36quatroxAinulindale: what can I do about this http://om.quatrox.org/om/gprs/opkd.log ? It happens when I restart ophonekitd
17:10.37opentrinityRingtone stops and  the phone was blocked
17:10.38simooAinulindale: but there is no .jffs
17:10.59Ainulindalesimoo: try in the neo1973 dir
17:11.05Ainulindalethe jffs is named om-gta02 something
17:11.12Ainulindaleopentrinity: blocked means nothing, again =)
17:11.27simooand does it come with dialing and sms apps etc?
17:11.32Ainulindalesimoo: yes
17:11.39Ainulindalequatrox: ps auxw | grep ophonekitd
17:11.41Slaxxershr is very cool
17:11.44Ainulindaleif it's there, don't relaunch it again
17:11.53AinulindaleIf you truly want to relaunch it, kill -9
17:11.55simoocheers and one last question... can I import vcards to the contacts?
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17:12.21Ainulindalesimoo: Currently, no. Someone is working on that
17:12.25quatroxAinulindale: I did a killall -9
17:12.31AinulindaleBut if someone made the script for FSO it'll work for SHR
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17:12.47Ainulindalequatrox: check if ophonekitd is there. Check if any other software tried to request the GSM resource.
17:13.29quatroxI will do that next time
17:13.35simooAinulindale: thanks for the help, I think I'll have to wait till I can import my contacts. I wouldlike to use it though so I'll keep checking :)
17:13.49Ainulindalesimoo: Importing vcard is really simple
17:13.55AinulindaleI just don't have the time to do the script myself
17:14.03Ainulindalequatrox: when you're in front of the problem
17:14.07AinulindaleCOpy all the logs, first thing
17:14.09quatroxneeded to reboot to get on irc
17:14.14AinulindaleIf you manage to reproduce the problem
17:14.21AinulindaleThen open a ticket and explain how you did that
17:14.23quatroxi can
17:14.30quatroxok
17:14.40Ainulindalequatrox: but if ophonekitd isn't there and if you can't launch it
17:14.46Ainulindalethat's a potential frameworkd problem
17:14.58simooAinulindale: right, I'm not sure I know enough about it yet to do it myself so I'll probably still have to wait
17:15.49quatroxdo i need to restart dbus somehow?
17:16.05quatroxor gsm muxer
17:16.24Ainulindalequatrox: if you want a clean start, kill ophonekitd, kill frameworkd, kill the muxer
17:16.28AinulindaleThen restart dbus
17:16.30Ainulindalerestart frameworkd
17:16.34Ainulindaleand restart ophonekitd
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17:17.52CIA-46freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r456d077428e7 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: add stubs for monitoring API org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving|Neighbour}CellInformation
17:20.31quatroxAinulindale: thanks. I will try now
17:21.59simoousing qtextended I get send dupicate sms texts does anyone know of a work around?
17:22.54quatroxSHR:)
17:23.31simooi'd really like to use SHR, but it can't import my contacts :)
17:24.10quatroxahh
17:24.13simooworking calls, sms, and importing vcards is all I need!
17:24.43simoo(other stuff would be great of course, but that's all I need)
17:26.51simooalso, why would I get an sms from '_@'?
17:28.20jc__so, write an import function ;)
17:28.30jc__qtopia contacts are in sqlite with well known schema
17:28.54jc__FSO is well documented too
17:29.47simooI'm afraid I may not be up to coding stuff (Qtextended is fine, it imports a vcard bluetoothed to it)
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17:30.47simooI got the phone with the intent to help and I will but apart from a little scripting, I am not a coder
17:30.54jc__too bad.. I don't have time atm but I'm planning on converting my contacts from qtopia to fso
17:31.15jc__well all thats necessary is scripting ;)
17:31.34jc__sqlite can be accessed from many scripting languages
17:31.48simoook, maybe I'll look into it, cheers
17:31.50jc__fso is written in python afaik
17:31.57jc__cheers
17:32.09simooand fso is underneath SHR?
17:32.49jc__fso is the framework dealing with calls and messagess and stuff.. from low level and providing abstraction for it for gui scripts
17:33.20simooright and shr uses it but qtopia doesn't
17:34.37quatroxQt/Qtopia has its own phonestack
17:34.59simooic
17:36.05quatroxit came a long time before FSO was planned
17:36.40quatroxbefore gta01
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17:37.44quatroxit came with greenphone
17:38.02simoooh yeah, I read about that
17:38.28simooso what do you do with regards to OM etc. if you don't mind me asking?
17:38.49quatroxnothing
17:38.51jc__I do whatever I want :D
17:39.04simoo:)
17:39.53jc__greenphone looked dreamy the time I first saw it
17:40.09quatrox:)
17:40.15jc__I totaly wanted it.. to wipe out the Qtopia at first occasion and set up a proper linux distro in there :D
17:40.23quatroxbut without wifi
17:40.25simooI had planned to (and have started) a blog/guide for the freerunner aimed at end users but I don't really think there is much point until I can use the FSO stack
17:40.35jc__at the time, I didn't have wifi anywhere either
17:40.56jc__maybe so, also there is a lot of stuff to fix
17:41.10jc__theres really active development behind the kernel, which is great
17:42.33simooso what do you guys use in your phones>
17:42.34simoo?
17:43.15SpeedEvillooks at ScarEye, and wonders if they're scaredycat.
17:43.35quatroxterm, pidgin and .. hmm
17:43.56simooi meant distro-wise
17:43.57quatroxdialer
17:44.05quatroxahh
17:44.20quatroxI love SHR
17:44.49simooand the contacts app on SHR uses an sqlite database
17:45.00quatroxno
17:45.04simooah
17:45.11simoowhat does it use?
17:45.22quatroxnot sure
17:45.32quatroxit don't work
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17:46.03quatrox*doesn't
17:46.19quatroxnot yet
17:46.20simoooh right, shr is really not ready for phone useage then yet
17:46.50quatroxnot really
17:47.19quatroxbut I still like it
17:47.23simoosure
17:48.30quatroxthere is a new contact app an its way
17:48.44quatroxs/an/on/
17:49.03simoonice
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17:49.39quatroxdon't remember the name
17:50.08quatroxI guess there will be several options soon
17:50.15simoohow quickly is development moving a the mo?
17:50.48quatroxon apps?
17:51.05simooyeah, or on a release?
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17:51.34quatroxnot wery fast, but the rate is increasing
17:51.56quatroxs/wer/ver/
17:52.16simoois there anything I can do to help yet?
17:53.13quatroxget all d3v people to forget about Qt:P
17:53.33quatroxs/d3v/dev/
17:53.45jc__hehehe
17:53.48jc__totally agreed
17:53.48quatroxcannot write
17:54.01jc__I hate everything with a gay dragon in its emblem
17:54.15quatroxlol
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17:56.29jc__I think they'll switch to FSO on the first occasion its ok to use
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17:56.59quatroxyeah
17:57.14quatroxmore dev friendly
17:57.16simooyeah, it's a little catch 22 for me at the moment because I need the phone to work as a phone before I can contribute
17:57.27jc__the framework is pretty well thought out
17:57.44simooqtextended does but I'd rather use fso
17:57.54quatroxsimoo: dual boot
17:58.09jc__or even tripple boot :D
17:58.14simoocould I put shr on a memory card?
17:58.18jc__Gentoo could be good too
17:58.24simoohaha
17:58.37simooGentoo on my phone!
17:58.54simooI used to use it as a desktop but now use Arch
17:59.00jc__on mine it is
17:59.10quatroxsimoo: I boot SHR from SD
17:59.16jc__and I use it on my desktop and servers
17:59.30quatroxsimoo: it is easy
17:59.41simooquatrox: cheers I'll probably do that for now then
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18:00.15simoojc__: I was reading Gentoo is the fastest OS for DNS servers
18:00.21badcloudquatrox, which kernal image are you using? I can't seem to get anything to work right in SHR directly after flashing
18:00.43badcloudor did you build your own kernal
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18:00.54jc__simoo: its not really about how fast it is, its extremely comfortable to compile everything that way :)
18:01.09badcloud*kernel
18:01.46simoojc__: Oh I agree, I never used it for that reason, just remembered reading it
18:02.08jc__simoo: what other reason there would be? :)
18:02.13simooI still use it for my myth boxes
18:02.19simoo:)
18:02.24toggles_wsimoo: me three!
18:02.35quatroxbadcloud: I use the one from shr.bearstech......
18:02.48simootoggles_w: :)
18:02.58badcloudthanks
18:03.17simoomyth rox
18:03.35toggles_wyeah, and it's finally really stable
18:03.51badcloud*hit, I flashed the same one
18:03.58quatroxbadcloud: what kind of problems did you get?
18:03.59toggles_wthats probably more the hdhomerun vs pvrx50's though
18:04.04simooyeah, I've had one set up for my mum for ages now no trouble
18:04.14Mononokefreerunner does not have any temprature sensor ?
18:04.16toggles_wyeap, pretty sweet
18:04.17badcloudno gps, wifi, bluetooth, nothing
18:04.41badcloudtrying booting directly after flashing kernel and uimage
18:04.42quatroxohh
18:04.56badcloudnot even gsm
18:05.16quatroxflash again
18:05.19badcloudwhereas with qt I got gsm but no sound
18:05.46badcloudhow functional has SHR been for you?
18:05.52badcloudprimary phone stable?
18:06.22quatroxyes
18:06.43simoobut I thought no address book?
18:06.43quatroxbut i cannot add contacts
18:06.51simooah
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18:07.12oriais it just me or is video reaaally slow?
18:07.25quatroxjust you
18:07.27oriait has to be my configurations right? it cant be this slow?
18:07.30oriapuh
18:07.31oriagood
18:07.54Ainulindalequatrox, simoo
18:07.59AinulindaleSHR uses frameworkd for the contact backend
18:08.01AinulindaleContacts works
18:08.05AinulindaleBut as there's no PIM yet
18:08.07AinulindaleIt's SIM
18:08.23quatroxoria: use mplayer patched for glamo
18:08.26oriaframeworkd eats cpu
18:08.35oriaquatrox: ah glamo got it
18:08.47Ainulindaleoria: so is your face
18:08.54simooAinulindale: right, thanks
18:09.09Ainulindalesimoo: FYI I use SHR on my freerunner, and I use it as a daily phone
18:09.19oriaso is my face?
18:09.45Ainulindaleoria: it was an answer as pertinent as your remark :-) 19:08:27 < oria> frameworkd eats cpu
18:09.53badcloudAinulindae, but no adding contacts, right?
18:09.57simooAinulindale: that's good to know, so you just store your contacts on the SIM?
18:10.05Ainulindalebadcloud: No, you can add, rename, delete contacts
18:10.12AinulindaleYou can even call them (WOW !)
18:10.19Ainulindalesimoo: yeah
18:10.20badcloudlike the sarcasm
18:10.26quatrox<PROTECTED>
18:10.33AinulindaleBut I can't wait for the PIM
18:10.37Ainulindalequatrox: it crashes?
18:11.09quatroxno
18:11.12badcloudAinulindale, does everything else work ok?
18:11.16oriai use my own organizing system in bash which i have working on my phone, the only thing that sucks is that i cant send smses and call from console
18:11.16badcloudwifi, gps, etc
18:11.20simooAinulindale: do you know how long it is likely to be before it's implemented?
18:11.25oriai dont want guis, im happy with the terminal
18:11.25Ainulindalebadcloud: I don't use wifi, so I don't know, GPS works
18:11.36quatroxit just don't save anything
18:11.47Ainulindalequatrox: that's weird
18:11.53Ainulindalequatrox: never heard about that
18:11.54oriawifi works well for me
18:11.59AinulindaleTry to relaunch contacts
18:12.22quatroxi will try again now
18:12.56badcloudas of now, is there a kernel+rootfs image duo that implements all of the hardware directly after flashing??
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18:13.12badcloudor is there tweeking involved for every distro
18:13.20oria:( http://www.vimeo.com/1366042
18:13.26Ainulindalebadcloud: I think SHR does that yes
18:14.08badcloudwhat's the link for the rootfs image then? I could only find uimage on bearstech
18:14.47badcloudand btw, I don't know which one to use, 'latest' or 2.6.24
18:15.27quatroxAinulindale: now it works great. And a bitt different GUI
18:15.27oriaits funny when people compair the FR to the iphone
18:15.47badcloudit's ridiculous
18:15.50quatroxs,bitt,bit,
18:15.50Ainulindalequatrox: you opkg upgraded?
18:15.58quatroxyes
18:16.13cb22oria, my iPhone is in front of me right now... With a Linux kernel running on it
18:16.29badcloudAinulindale, could you direct me to the images you used?
18:16.44oriacb22: do you have root on it?
18:16.58cb22oria, not quite
18:17.04oriawell then its no fun
18:17.17cb22heh, you misunderstood
18:17.18oriaand when you flash it you will loose root most deffo
18:17.31oriaoh, perhaps i did
18:17.34cb22Sure, I have root on it. Just only when plugged into a PC
18:17.36quatroxAinulindale: img from Dec 13. I should prob reflash
18:17.46cb22since there are no input drivers yet
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18:18.04oriais the iphone hacked ?
18:18.13oriai mean can you flash it and such?
18:18.19Ainulindalebadcloud: they're on the buildhost
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18:18.24Ainulindalehttp://shr.bearstech.com
18:18.28badcloudthanks
18:18.34oriai was thinking about the G1 or whatever its called
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18:19.06oriabut you wont be able to keep a root account on it, one would have to stop firmwire upgrades etc to have it function properly as a linuxbox
18:19.22quatroxoria: a lot of people regret buying G1
18:20.36oriayes i wanted root, it does not have root
18:20.40badcloudAinulindale, which one did you use, 'latest' or 2.6.24?
18:20.54oriai wont ever buy a device without root again, i find it horrible i had a nokia device before and could not do anything with it
18:20.55quatroxoria: but there is a site with info about how to change the bootloader (unlock)
18:20.59AinulindaleLatest.
18:21.23oriaquatrox: yes but it wont work after firmware updates
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18:21.34quatroxahh
18:21.36oriaboth the iphone and the g1 are locked down devices
18:21.53brian__wee are free
18:21.59oriathey do not want you to have root, simple as that, they will prevent it as far as they can.
18:22.02oria:)
18:22.14oriaopenmoko ppl give me root so i like them.
18:22.24brian__to bork out installation
18:22.32badcloudthanks again
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18:28.15brian__going for shr unstable gta02
18:30.21quatroxcontact crashed
18:30.48quatroxhow can i debug it?
18:30.50brian__shr?
18:30.56quatroxyes
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18:37.49badcloudbrian, do you have the link to the shr rootfs image?
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18:41.55badcloudor anyone, for that matter
18:42.31quatroxAinulindale: contacts don't save
18:42.52quatroxwhen the name is long
18:44.51quatroxit should be modified to support 20 chars
18:45.33quatroxhmm..
18:45.36quatroxno
18:45.51quatroxit depends on the name
18:45.59quatroxstrange
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18:46.28badcloudhow does everything else function, quatrox?
18:46.36badcloudcalls, suspend, etc
18:46.50quatroxgreat:)
18:47.26badcloudI'm flashing soon too...
18:47.37badcloud*fingers crossed*
18:47.38quatroxi got some bugs here, but i should reflash
18:49.56badcloudtook me forever to find out that the rootfs image is in the 1973 dir in bearstech
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18:58.42quatroxahh.. contacts support up to 15 chars. If the name is longer, it just dont save anything
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19:02.42moo---quatrox: sim limitation
19:02.45moo---i guess
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19:03.38badcloudI'm not getting pin # request on shr
19:03.51badcloudha, just kicked in
19:05.43quatroxmoo---: maybe. I am not sure
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19:06.38quatroxmy other phones can store 20 chars in the sim
19:07.18quatroxper contact
19:07.47lindi-20 here too
19:08.07quatroxwhere?
19:08.12lindi-with my SIM
19:08.27quatroxwith shr?
19:08.33lindi-quatrox: it's a property of the SIM card
19:08.45quatroxno
19:09.02quatroxi tested my sim
19:09.04lindi-you mean the SIM has no limit?
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19:09.27quatroxit has limit on 20 chars
19:09.56lindi-so i see
19:10.49quatroxshr's openmoko-contacts just don't save anything when the name is 18 chars
19:11.22quatroxbut saves if the name is 14
19:11.28quatroxi would guess it is a bug
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19:11.44quatroxbuffer bug?
19:12.55frankS2gpsdrive - application run error?
19:13.02frankS2anyone else have that problem?
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19:15.41badcloudquatrox, I couldn't get calls while in suspend mode
19:15.47badcloud*can
19:15.50badcloud't
19:16.03frankS2i cant wake up my phone frmo suspend
19:16.03frankS2lol
19:16.11frankS2have to take out the battery
19:17.03badcloudI'm tearing my hair out... wanted to use this thing as my primary phone
19:17.15badcloudwithout having to spend a month tweeking
19:17.22brian__plugging it back in sometimes does it
19:17.27badcloud*tweaking
19:17.29quatroxbadcloud: ohh.... what about sms?
19:17.44badcloudcan't get gsm now
19:17.49badcloudI'm gonna reflash
19:18.03badcloudcan you post me the direct links to the images you used, quatrox?
19:18.25quatroxno gsm at all?
19:18.43badcloudnaw, also, the kernel shows a lot of i/o errors
19:18.46badcloudcertain blocks
19:19.00quatroxstill suspended?
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19:19.07badcloudno, I powered down
19:19.15badcloudI just want to flash the right images first
19:19.22quatroxhmm
19:20.20badcloudquatrox, which  images  did  you  use?
19:20.30quatroxI have an old image that i updated with opkg and with a patched gsm muxer
19:20.38muxeyes please? ;)
19:21.24badcloudmmcblk0 errors galore
19:21.54badcloudnot too mention a lot of errors I'm not quick enough to memorize
19:22.10quatroxi can create an image this weekend and if it works, it will be uploaded to openmoko.no
19:22.29badcloudthanks
19:24.16badcloudok, gsm kicked in fine
19:25.12Davebadcloud :)
19:25.39badclouddave?
19:25.47quatroxbadcloud: in shr?
19:25.51badcloudyeah
19:26.00badcloudcan't see any messages in my sms inbox tho
19:26.15quatroxtrue
19:26.27badcloudDave, cello Dave?
19:26.49quatroxbut you can see all msg received with shr
19:26.56badcloudI see
19:27.46badcloudtried receiving calls, no sound, just vib
19:28.44quatroxyou can switch profile, i think
19:29.09badcloudcan't seem to find a profile manager
19:29.26brian__no echo fix for shr :(
19:29.38brian__phone works
19:29.45brian__<PROTECTED>
19:29.48quatroxi got no echo
19:30.45quatroxbadclaud: click on the top bar (illume menu)
19:31.08brian__with speaker phone u have no echo?
19:31.37quatroxand click on the tool in the top left corner
19:31.59quatroxbrian__: i do
19:32.27quatroxthe speaker is very close to the mic
19:32.37brian__so can i get a black terminal keyboard  on shr?
19:32.47brian__desigh failer
19:32.56brian__n
19:33.02quatroxhmm
19:33.22brian__1 on each side of the mic=fail
19:33.25badcloudit's on default profile, still no sound
19:33.34Davehei quatrox :)
19:33.40brian__did u reboot 1 time
19:33.41toggles_wDave: !!!
19:34.00Davestår til
19:34.01quatroxi want black bgcolor in the term - it is hard to read text from white bg
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19:34.37brian__yup
19:34.46brian__that what i want to
19:34.56mmontourI don't think anyone ever expected the FR to be echo-free as a speakerphone. Originally the speakerphone profiles muted the mic so you could only listen (e.g. while waiting on hold).
19:35.15DaveMmontour!
19:35.24badcloudany way to change the volume/ringtone in the default profile or add another profile?
19:35.24quatroxHei Dave! Hvordan gaar det?
19:35.26mmontourDave!
19:35.39tiferethbadcloud: see wiki
19:35.46badcloudthanks
19:36.25brian__shr with a black backgroung keyboard with terminal
19:37.31CIA-46freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r41985fee5153 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
19:37.31CIA-46freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Implemented org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitoring.* as stub
19:37.31CIA-46freesmartphone.org: erroring out with org.freesmartphone.GSM.UnsupportedCommand.
19:37.31CIA-46freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALPYSO] Implemented the new monitoring API:
19:37.31CIA-46freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitoring.Get{Serving|Neighbour}CellInformation
19:38.02bipak\o/
19:39.22quatroxbrian__: at least blach bg colour on the term. I think the kbd is ok
19:39.55quatroxs/ch/ck/
19:40.06badcloudtifereth, irony's on my side, it said to ask for help via irc :P
19:40.18Dave:P
19:40.38Davesicu, jeg vet du er der!
19:41.02Daveprods sicu
19:41.12quatrox<PROTECTED>
19:41.39badcloudvicious cycle, I'll admit
19:41.44tifereththought there were some instructions for it
19:41.45quatroxirc > wiki > irc > ...
19:42.19quatrox<PROTECTED>
19:42.32quatroxif you update the wiki
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19:42.47badcloudmight do so as soon as this *** thing rings
19:43.36quatroxdo you have a ring tone?
19:43.55quatroxdon't remember the path
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19:55.44badcloudquatrox, not sure about whether or not I have a ringtone. I would assume shr would come with at least one
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19:56.11badcloudalso, it resumes on incoming call, but I can't answer it
19:56.21badcloudno "this person is calling you"
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20:03.55seameathey everyone, i decided i want to try SHR again, but i can't seem to find the jffs2 file. can someone help me?
20:05.31seameatmore to the point, the gta02 folder on the bearstech site doesn't contain a jffs2 file. should i use the one from the neo1973 folder
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20:12.45peppertarts_seameat: Take a look here - http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/
20:13.03seameatok, so the neo1973 images are ok on the freerunner, too? cool
20:13.27seameatooooooooooh
20:13.29seameati see
20:13.36seameatthey have them all in the one folder
20:13.38seameatthanks
20:14.35quatroxbadclaud: that sounds familiar
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20:15.17quatroxi forgot about that since i almost never suspend
20:15.44quatrox(carger at home and at work)
20:16.12quatroxs/car/char/
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20:18.45simoohi, what do I do if my freerunners battery ran out?
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20:19.28quatroxsimoo: borrow a bat
20:19.56simooi asume that's what's hapened, it won't come on and the red light is flashing
20:20.07Davequatrox :D
20:20.17quatroxsimoo: where are you from?
20:20.29simoouk, why?
20:20.41Davequatrox, he is not one of us :P
20:20.51quatroxnm
20:20.55simoowhere are you from?
20:20.57quatroxred light
20:21.09quatroxthen the bat is ok
20:21.11simootop left button
20:21.34simoooh, not sure what has happened then
20:21.46simooshall I try taking the battery out to restart?
20:21.56quatroxsee wiki for light codes
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20:23.33simoolight codes search doesn't return much
20:24.07simooah led signals
20:24.23simooI think it's a kernel panic - take battery out?
20:24.56quatroxyes
20:25.03badcloudquatrox ;)
20:25.27badcloudhahahaha
20:25.30badcloudborrow a bat...
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20:25.59quatrox:)
20:26.04simooI have noone to borrow a bat from
20:26.08badcloudI'm close to hiring the Dodgers to go to work on mine
20:26.37badcloudplus, fdisk can't access mmcblk0 for some reason...
20:26.41simooso where are you guys from then, if Im not one of you?
20:26.41quatroxbat was short for battery
20:26.48badcloudoooooooooooooooooohh
20:26.54simooyeah I got that :)
20:27.06badcloudI didn't, apparently
20:27.27quatroxit was mounted?
20:27.41badcloudcould have been, I myself didn't
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20:28.57quatroxsimoo: since i talked about openmoko.no, give it a guess
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20:29.42simooNorway
20:29.47simoo?
20:29.53quatroxNorway (pronounced No-way by asians)
20:30.02Aciidnorja!
20:30.07simoocool :)
20:31.21badcloudwhich dir does shr mount the microsd, if at all?
20:31.59quatroxcat /proc/mounts
20:32.06badcloudtnx
20:32.53badcloudit didn't mount it
20:32.55quatroxcat /etc/fstab
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20:33.20badcloudno such file
20:33.25badcloudarrg with it
20:33.52quatroxwhat?
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20:34.09quatroxyou had a typo
20:34.13badcloudhold up, I made a typo
20:34.17badcloudjinx
20:35.06elektranoxmickey: please add "opim" to the specs Makefile
20:35.23badcloudit auto mounted in /media/card
20:35.36badcloudwhat would be /dev/sda1?
20:35.47badcloudforgive my ignorance
20:35.57quatroxno
20:36.04badcloudok then
20:36.07quatroxthat is usb
20:36.15badcloudgotcha
20:36.23quatroxhold on
20:37.04badcloud#$%^&*(, /media/card isn't mounted
20:37.17quatroxdid you bot from sd?
20:37.25badcloudgod, no
20:37.47badcloudI maybe a tad ignorant but I'm not that dumb
20:39.46quatrox/dev/mmcblk0p1
20:39.56badcloudthat would be the partition
20:40.02badcloudI'll give it a shot
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20:40.37quatroxmount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/card
20:40.59badcloudI want to unmount
20:41.02badcloudand reformat
20:41.15badcloudumount says /dev/mmcblk0p1 isn't there
20:41.28badcloudbut I checked in /dev and it sure as %^&* is
20:41.46quatroxcat /proc/mounts|grep mmcblk
20:41.58quatroxany hit?
20:42.06quatroxif not
20:42.27badcloudnada
20:42.44quatroxthen it is not mounted
20:43.04CVirusnada ?
20:43.09CVirusthat's my gf's name :-p
20:43.10badcloudfdisk can't access mmcblk or mmcblk1
20:43.26badcloudnada=nothing (Spanish)
20:43.36badcloudbut I'm sure she's better than nothing
20:43.43badcloudthat sounded better in my head
20:43.45quatroxfdisk /dev/mmcblk0
20:44.03CVirusbadcloud: nada == rain drops in arabic :-)
20:44.20quatroxhaha
20:44.30badcloudthat's beautiful
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20:44.52badcloudunable to read /dev/mmcblk0
20:44.53CVirusglad to hear :-)
20:45.04badcloudunable to open /dev/mmcblk
20:45.24badcloudCVirus, you being sarcastic?
20:45.49quatroxls -l  /dev/mmcblk*
20:46.08CVirusbadcloud: nope !
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20:46.45badcloudglad to hear :)
20:47.02badcloudls: /dev/mmcblk0
20:47.03CVirushaha
20:47.09quatroxit is a nice name
20:47.21badcloudbrw-r-----
20:48.03quatroxfull output please
20:48.23badcloudI'm gonna reboot, I think at some point, I switched the sim card while it was on
20:48.30badcloudI'm betting that might have done it
20:48.39badcloudtwo secs
20:49.47quatroxnope
20:49.57badcloudwhat, nope?
20:50.22quatroxsim is unrelated
20:50.41badcloudman oh man, I feel like improving my batting average with this thing
20:50.49badcloudit's so sleek yet so far from easy use
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20:51.20quatrox:)
20:51.27quatroxyou will learn a lot then
20:51.31badcloudtrue
20:51.42badcloudlike how to hit a freerunner homerun
20:51.54badcloudbut, I totally get what you're saying
20:51.55quatroxsure
20:52.07quatroxput it on youtube
20:52.10badcloudhahaha
20:52.43quatroxand upload data from the accelerometers
20:52.49badcloudhahahahahahahahahahahaha
20:53.33badcloudok, rebooted
20:53.37badcloudyou were right
20:53.40badcloudno change
20:54.02badcloudsome day I'll be able to tell someone that
20:54.55badcloudfull ls -l input: brw-r----- 1 root floppy 179,    0 Jan...
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20:55.07quatroxso hard to help without ssh access
20:55.09badcloud/dev/mmcblk0
20:55.25badcloudI see
20:55.30quatroxgreat
20:55.45quatroxthen the dev is ok
20:56.07quatroxno try fdisk /dev/mmcblk0
20:56.09badcloudoh well, I'll just format externally, if I can remember where my sd reader is...
20:56.39badcloudcan't read it
20:56.42quatroxhmm
20:57.09quatroxlsof|grep mmcblk
20:58.45badcloudnothing
20:58.54quatroxgood
20:58.59quatroxhmm
20:59.01badcloudI don't think I can bear to use the term 'nada' after hearing her name
20:59.07quatroxlsmod
20:59.12badcloud*I* want a girlfriend with such a nice name
20:59.46badcloudsnd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s
20:59.55badcloudohci_hcd
21:00.12badcloudboth used by 0 (root, I can safely assume)
21:00.41quatroxthat's all?
21:00.44badcloudyup
21:01.54quatroxahh... nm. It is static, not a module
21:02.05badcloud?
21:02.23quatroxthe sd driver
21:02.28badcloudok
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21:03.41badcloudso what would that imply?
21:03.49quatroxdmesg should tell if something strange hapened uppon boot
21:03.50quatroxhmm
21:04.27quatroxdmesg|grep -i -e sd -e mmc
21:04.34badclouderror -84
21:04.39badcloudhold on then
21:05.46quatroxi am not sure if i can help
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21:06.23quatroxwhich kernel do you use?
21:06.30quatroxuname -a
21:06.50badcloud2.6.24
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21:07.52quatroxdecember 24?
21:08.15badcloudwhoa now, April
21:08.38quatroxnot good
21:08.57quatroxupdate the kernel
21:09.07badcloudhow can that be? I distinctly picked out the latest one from the shr site
21:09.40quatroxbut you didn't boot from it
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21:10.03badcloudso how do I do that?
21:10.04quatroxdid you flash the new kernel?
21:10.07badcloudyup
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21:10.14quatroxhmm
21:10.31quatroxom.quatrox.org/om
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21:10.48quatroxsee instructions
21:11.57quatroxmaybe you flashed wrong uImage
21:12.42quatroxstil this is strange
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21:12.57quatroxs/il/ill/
21:12.57badcloudI think I used '0' instead of kernel
21:13.05badcloudthat would explain a LOT
21:13.36quatroxhmm
21:13.41quatroxyeah
21:14.10badcloudflashed with 'kernel' now, booting
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21:15.58quatroxis crossing fingers
21:16.57badcloudyay, fdisk -l shows the microsd
21:17.13quatroxgreat:D
21:17.16badcloudtesting calls
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21:17.34badcloudsound is great
21:17.34quatroxcongratulations!
21:17.39badcloudTHANKS
21:17.43badcloudTHANK
21:17.45badcloudYOU
21:18.05badcloudtrying suspend...
21:18.15quatroxyou are welcome
21:18.37badcloudno incoming during suspend...
21:19.19badcloudplus it's not coming out of suspend, so there's that
21:19.42quatroxpush pwr btn
21:19.47badclouddid
21:19.54badcloudtried short and long
21:19.57quatroxit should wake up
21:20.03badcloudstwange
21:20.03quatroxshort
21:20.16badcloudnoting
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21:20.29quatroxhmm
21:20.42quatroxping the fr
21:20.52badcloudin short, maybe another distro is in order for trial
21:20.53badcloudhold up
21:21.32quatroxme?
21:21.34badcloudI'm gonna reset my network settings
21:21.40badcloudyeah, give me a second
21:22.20quatroxhold on, not hold up
21:22.24badclouddefault ip is 192.168.0.200
21:22.26badcloudright?
21:22.35quatrox202
21:22.35badcloudhold up=slang for hold on
21:22.38badcloudgotcha
21:22.44quatroxahh
21:23.31quatroxthey didn't teach slang  at school
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21:25.24badcloudyeah, no ping response
21:25.36quatroxhmm
21:25.49quatroxno red blinking?
21:25.54badcloudnope
21:26.00badcloudlemme ask though
21:26.11quatroxhard boot
21:26.12badcloudwhich distros does the latest kernel cover more or less?
21:26.14badcloudsure
21:27.16badcloudcrcfail 0x1a3f?
21:27.43quatroxshr should work good with suspend/resume
21:27.49badcloudlooks like a crucial error (guessing that crc is short for crucial)
21:28.08badcloudhave you been able to receive calls while in suspend?
21:28.11badclouddejavu
21:28.30PaulFertserbadcloud: Cyclic redundancy check :)
21:28.30quatroxno
21:28.46badcloudPaulFertser, haha
21:28.55DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: thnx ;-)
21:28.57badcloudegads...
21:29.04quatroxyou can safely ignore that error
21:29.09badcloudthanks
21:29.38quatroxPaulFertser: there?
21:29.44PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: What for? My latest remark was completely useless. :)
21:29.49PaulFertserquatrox: here ;)
21:30.17DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: so would have been mine ;)
21:30.40badcloudanyone experience incoming calls on any of the other distros?
21:31.05PaulFertserbadcloud: i do. andy-tracking and Debian here
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21:31.17quatroxPaulFertser: http://om.quatrox.org/om/gprs/opkd.log
21:31.22badcloudthanks Paul
21:31.38badcloudI'll definitely try that out when I have a spare weekend
21:31.52PaulFertserBut i really suspect that sometimes the modem doesn't wake up the phone. Not too often, but it happens. But my FR unsuspends with PWR button every time i try.
21:32.32badcloudthe suspend is working fine now
21:32.49badcloudbut it's no use to me without being able to wake up from an event
21:32.54PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: have you ever seen that the incoming call doesn't unsuspend FR while PWR button works?..
21:33.12badcloudhere, Paul
21:33.26badcloudexactly my situation
21:33.36PaulFertserquatrox: what are you trying to show me? ;)
21:34.18quatroxi connected to gprs
21:34.32quatroxdid opkg update
21:34.40quatroxgprs lost
21:34.43DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: I'm not testing sw images. so "dunno" is prolly the answer. But i think its possible SoC missing one type of IRQ while still ok with another
21:34.44badcloudnot sure if incoming wakes up the FR on qt-x either
21:35.11quatroxand cannot reconnect without reboot
21:35.17badcloudbut then again, I must have been trying it with an old kernel by mistake
21:35.59badcloudoh wow, the leds are working also
21:36.06badcloudthe power button is so purrrrrrrty
21:36.39PaulFertserquatrox: Ah, i see. Your application (SHR?) requests GSM resource twice. The second attempt fails. I see nothing more in your log. I think you should take it to SHR devs. How exactly are you trying to re-establish GPRS?
21:37.27quatroxwith my script
21:37.39quatroxor with fso-setings
21:37.51quatroxs/t/tt/
21:37.59quatroxgrr
21:38.01DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: what I learnt so far about IRQ-handling looks quite odd to me. FR *never* should use edge-triggered, but in fact it seems to always use edge, never level
21:39.19PaulFertserTherefore it can sometimes lose the IRQ request...
21:39.22quatroxPaulFertser: that log was the output from ophonekitd when i killed it and started it again
21:39.25PaulFertserI think i should ask Andy about it.
21:39.29badcloudwifi not functioning after suspend..
21:39.50quatroxit is here
21:40.04badcloudno gps either
21:40.05lindi-badcloud: unbind it
21:40.18PaulFertserquatrox: So, ophonekitd is wrong because it requests GSM resource twice. I suggest you join #openmoko-cdevel and ask there.
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21:40.26badcloudcould you spell that out for me, lindi?
21:40.37PaulFertserbadcloud: actually, wifi works quite fine after suspend for me
21:40.45PaulFertserbadcloud: no need to bind/unbind
21:40.54PaulFertserbadcloud: Are you using andy-tracking?
21:40.56badcloudmofi hangs while trying to connect
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21:41.18quatrox<PROTECTED>
21:41.20badcloudI'm using 'uImage-om-gta02-latest'
21:41.22PaulFertserbadcloud: forget mofi. Do everything by hand.
21:41.26lindi-badcloud: echo 1 | sudo tee $sys_pm_wlan/power_on
21:41.26lindi-echo s3c2440-sdi | sudo tee $sys_wlan_driver/unbind
21:41.27lindi-echo s3c2440-sdi | sudo tee $sys_wlan_driver/bind
21:41.49PaulFertserbadcloud: running wpa_supplicant reconnects without problems to the AP after suspend/resume for me.
21:41.58badcloudok
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21:42.05badcloudI'll give both a shot
21:42.18PaulFertserbadcloud: and in andy-tracking bluetooth used not to work after suspend. Not sure of the current situation though.
21:42.38badcloudhow many different kernels are there??
21:42.59DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: (ask) have fun about it. Andy doesn't accept possibility of any flaw in using edge for IRQ :-/
21:42.59quatroxseveral
21:43.43PaulFertserbadcloud: 3: official "stable" 2.6.24, mwester's stable 2.6.24 and andy-tracking 2.6.28. Android guys have slight modifications as well, but i don't care :p
21:44.24badcloudso trying android on the 2.6.24 wouldn't be a great idea
21:44.30badcloud?
21:44.46quatroxno
21:44.50PaulFertserbadcloud: trying android wouldn't be a good idea with any kernel on any phone, i guess.
21:44.56badcloudnutsa
21:45.25badcloudwonder how long the phone will stay on when it's locked (screen on)
21:45.49badcloudcrap, no 'out of the box' locking in shr
21:45.51badcloudarrrrrrrrrrrrrg
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21:46.34quatroxit should have b3en
21:46.46quatrox*been
21:46.51PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: I think the only way to prove that there're flaws in modem irq handling is to setup an automated system to trigger irq like the modem does it and do suspend/resume on irq cycle numerous times...
21:47.25badcloudback to qt-x
21:48.34quatroxyou could just installed the screen locker
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21:49.13PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: but one should now exactly how to simulate an interrupt. The modem pin could interfere in a way. It might have a strong pull-up all the time...
21:49.18badcloudI'm a lazy bastard plus qt is a lot more responsive
21:49.20quatrox:P
21:50.04PaulFertser/ignore badcloud
21:50.07PaulFertser;)
21:50.14DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: maybe put a lot of tracing printf() inside the irq-handler? but basically you prove a flaw in IRQhndlg  by theoretically constructing a race from studying srccode
21:50.27badcloudPaul, ?
21:50.31PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: sounds easy enough ;)
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21:51.09PaulFertserbadcloud: If i wanted a non-free phone i'd probably bought Nokia, not FR.
21:51.09badcloudsomething I said?
21:51.10quatroxno
21:51.18SpeedEvilwonders what's wrong with simply ringing hte phone.
21:51.28Sharwin_FI want to try SHR and I'm downloading the kernel and the rootfs from here http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/   What do I've to do with the modules tar.gz? I need them?
21:51.29badcloudtouche there
21:51.31DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: (pullup) I already thought about implementing a LED there. quite handy
21:51.53badcloudPaul, I'm no developer and I'd just like to start enjoying the phone
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21:52.18PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: If the pullup is not that strong one may just use a stronger pull-down to force an irq, i guess. That's what i meant.
21:52.26badcloudthe second one of the other distros improves, I'll be first o(/i)nline to install it
21:52.58PaulFertserbadcloud: I'm not a developer too. And i can't see how can one enjoy a free phone without really free software.
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21:53.11DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: sorry no access to schem atm
21:53.16badcloudI see your point
21:53.40SpeedEvilhas a 300A 3.3V PSU, and isn't afraid to use it!
21:54.01SpeedEvil(*) some elements of hyperbole may be involved in the previous statement.
21:54.15badcloudummm, roight
21:54.34PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: I know. I'm not going to do that like tomorrow, in fact i'm not sure i'm going to do that at all. But it might be possible that it could help...
21:54.47badcloudhow does fso do on the suspend on event?
21:55.03PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: and that irq line pullup can be integrated in the chip, btw.
21:55.21PaulFertserbadcloud: suspend on event? what do you mean?
21:55.32badcloudsorry, *resume* on event
21:55.46badcloudI'm still tired and a bit jetlaged
21:55.51badcloudjetlagged*
21:56.08quatrox<PROTECTED>
21:56.09DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: IRQ usually is opencollector design
21:56.13PaulFertserbadcloud: not that bad. It waits 10 seconds, performs re-establishing of unsolicited responces and that's all.
21:56.49badcloud10 seconds is plenty of time for someone to hang up
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21:57.21PaulFertserbadcloud: it sees incoming call indication. This delay is there for exactly increasing chances of answering the call fast.
21:58.13PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: If calypso can pull down it, then and external circuity can do it as well. But this automated testbench is not the simplest device i can assemble in 10 minutes :(
21:59.26DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: and it wont test exactly what is suspected to cause trouble
21:59.37DocScrutinizer2(race)
22:00.50quatroxPaulFertser: the event is a GPIO -> GND?
22:00.50PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: But large number of tries can proof that there're races and Andy will have to fix it ;)
22:01.04Sharwin_Fquatrox, ok thanks :) reading about the screen locker in SHR... how will I install it? I suppouse I'll do that and go to sleep ;)
22:01.07PaulFertserquatrox: that's my wild guess, i've not read the code yet.
22:01.28DocScrutinizer2there wont be the associated serial data
22:02.07quatrox<PROTECTED>
22:02.15quatroxa switch
22:02.28quatroxto gnd
22:02.37quatroxeasy
22:02.53PaulFertserquatrox: have you already soldered anything inside FR? ;)
22:03.15DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: see: the irq just says "theres some char data to fetch from uart"
22:03.44quatrox<PROTECTED>
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22:04.36Sharwin_Fquatrox on SHR or openmoko wiki?
22:04.39quatroxPaulFertser: I got 2 GTA02v5
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22:05.06PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: I though that it's a generic IRQ and handling depends entirely on the kernel code.
22:05.13quatroxSharwin_F: openmoko
22:06.03jokerfoxI see opkg update does download from 2008.8 repository, its supposed to be this way, or do I have to edit something in my new Om2008.12 update version?
22:06.07DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: there's unsolicited msgs like cell reselect, sms arrived etc pp. all is signalled verbose via uart, and via IRQ
22:06.59quatrox<PROTECTED>
22:07.03quatroxhmm
22:07.25quatroxor... the cpu has 2 types of irq's
22:07.37quatroxone is normal
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22:07.56quatroxbut only a few pins
22:08.02PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: sure. but i would notice a resume in frameworkd log if there was a resume at all. Actually i seen a following event: My phone is suspended, i call it, it does nothing, i hang up, i unsuspend using PWR button, the phone resumes, frameworkd sees incoming call indication on UART, starts ringing, etc...
22:08.14quatroxthe other is more complex
22:08.20DaveCELLPHONES SUCK
22:08.27jokerfoxhehe
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22:08.59badcloudI'm with you there, Daveo
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22:09.03DaveYeah
22:09.11gfatherhello guys
22:09.11DaveThe most popular cellphones apparently suck
22:09.19Daveand are very disappointing
22:09.32PaulFertserquatrox: Are you talking about edge/level? Or IRQ/FIQ?
22:09.37gfatherhttp://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/xoo/om-launch  how supposed i use this ?
22:09.52quatroxirq/fiq
22:10.27DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: use debubo and JTAG to read out the IRQ input? before resume gets a hold on it...
22:11.13gfatherit save as html , but its supposed to be a script
22:11.53quatroxno
22:11.57DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: obviously the IRQ either isn't asserted by calypso, or (i guess) the IRQ isn't enabled
22:12.01quatroxit is a link
22:12.04DocScrutinizer2on CPU
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22:13.02gfatherquatrox  when i press on it it just open , sould i save it as a text file , run or what ?
22:13.28DocScrutinizer2quatrox: FIQ is a completely different topic - well somehow
22:13.39DocScrutinizer2unrelated to GSM
22:14.22PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: Obviously. But i see no reason how it can be disabled sometimes. And sometimes not.
22:14.27quatrox<PROTECTED>
22:14.34quatroxsave as
22:14.41DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: race
22:15.00CIA-46openmoko: 03mirko 07org.openmoko.dev * rf32a3c104b49 10/packages/openmoko-projects/paroli_git.bb: changed URL to paroli.git
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22:15.41quatroxgfather: or wget the url from the phone
22:17.06PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: Ok, i'll read the kernel sources until i die trying to find the possibility for a race :)
22:18.07quatroxgfather: i wgot it and it is a html page
22:18.13gfatherquatrox save as to what , taht my question
22:18.30quatroxhold on
22:18.31gfatherif i press save as , it will show html , to what i should change it
22:18.41DocScrutinizer2PaulFertser: theres some "hole" iirc. the code is awful though, reading back IRQ-line level at some point of time. thats an absolute no-go
22:20.14quatroxgfather: save it as whatever you like
22:20.21PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: And if i find that place and publicize it on mailing list, TADA, he'll fix it :)
22:20.30gfatherquatrox if you want more info on the file http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Xoo
22:20.50gfathergo to near the last , Starting the nested Openmoko
22:21.23PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: thanks for the pointer :) I usually find it fun to read kernel sources, i'll try to investigate it.
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22:21.43DocScrutinizer2welcome
22:22.23quatroxgfather: will you run it from windows?
22:22.42Davehahaha lollerlotus
22:22.51DaveLG Lotus
22:23.17gfatherquatrox i think i have to save it sh , as its a script , so that the right way i think
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22:23.38jokerfoxwhats the name of terminal keyboard i opkg landscape?
22:23.43DocScrutinizer2anyway to fix this mess you'd have to dump the generic kernel IRQ handler template, and create a new one from scratch, based on wellknown IRQ handling principles
22:25.11quatroxgfather: ahh
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22:25.44quatroxsave it as om_launch.sh
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22:26.08quatroxcopy it to /usr/local/bin
22:26.23Davelaunchall zig
22:26.54quatroxchmod +x /usr/local/bin/om_launch.sh
22:27.27DocScrutinizer2theres an instance of zig already ;-)
22:27.52Dave:o
22:27.53DocScrutinizer2running, err  smoking
22:28.01PaulFertserDocScrutinizer2: i'm not a developer, i don't think i can fix this mess even if i find the race. And i don't know the wellknown IRQ handling principles (one doesn't need to on those simple AVRs ;) )
22:28.28Daveall your avr
22:28.39DocScrutinizer2(AVRs) nah, even then
22:28.41quatroxloves AVR's
22:28.49Dave:D
22:30.26bernttry installing linux on ATMega... ;-)
22:30.32quatroxGTA02 replaced my STK500, ATmega8 and a dot matrix character display
22:30.53DaveDot-matrix!
22:30.59PaulFertserquatrox: no FIQ on AVR. No tricky IRQ controller. Nothing too complex to grasp in a day :) Nothing interesting ;)
22:31.04quatroxbernt: that works
22:31.08quatroxuC
22:31.14PaulFertserbernt: i prefer FreeRTOS ;)
22:32.06quatroxbernt: uC can be hoocked up with extra ram
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22:32.35quatroxbut uLinux is more suited
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22:33.24berntyes the uC should have a little more ram (not only 2k) ...
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22:33.46badcloudno incoming in FDOM
22:33.53PaulFertserquatrox: are you sure uCLinux on AVRs works?
22:34.20PaulFertserquatrox: no way on 8-bit system ;)
22:35.40jokerfoxhow do I activate illume-keyboards-terminal on 2008.12 ?
22:36.26PaulFertserOh, guys, do you by any chance know, what's the best way to use uCLinux on LPC24xx? Do i need to use some nxp patches for 2.6.21 and be grateful they exist? Or is there a better way?
22:37.28badcloud!wifi
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22:41.21quatroxPaulFertser: one in my class had uLinux running on his ATmega16
22:41.22PaulFertserwas really naive when he thought that after buying FR he won't have to hack on Qi, thing about IRQs, soldering, etc...
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22:43.04CIA-46freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r83356edeaa14 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: move dbus error module one level up
22:43.07PaulFertserquatrox: ATmega16? I don't buy it. AVR32 possibly, but not mega.
22:43.39quatroxwhy not?
22:44.17quatroxi love ATmega8
22:44.27badcloudPaul, chalk me up on naivety as well
22:44.34PaulFertserquatrox: 8-bit. Linux was never meant to run on a 8-bit platform. And the porting effort would be too much. And he would share his code with the community so i'd be able to google it.
22:45.46quatroxhmm.. I guess he must have used a 16 bits for uLinux
22:46.10borg_he probably used a AVR32AP700*
22:46.22quatroxbut we only had 8 bits at school
22:46.44PaulFertserborg_: yes
22:46.55SpeedEvilpaulproteus: VM, external swap space.  :)
22:46.59SpeedEvilpaulf:
22:47.05CIA-46freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07framework * r587f0f9bb547 10/docs/ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem:
22:47.05CIA-46freesmartphone.org: Add information about Calypso's flow control handling
22:47.05CIA-46freesmartphone.org: It was discovered that Calypso doesn't respond to the flow control as it
22:47.05CIA-46freesmartphone.org: should, i.e. it doesn't stop output immediately and instead transfers the
22:47.05CIA-46freesmartphone.org: rest of the message, which may lead to UART buffer overflows. See mwester's
22:47.07CIA-46freesmartphone.org: description at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1376 .
22:47.09paulproteusHi SpeedEvil (-:
22:47.34PaulFertserOh, here goes my little useless patch :)
22:47.35SpeedEvilpaulproteus: sorry :/
22:47.50paulproteusNo trouble, a random ping into #openmoko is good for the soul. (-:
22:49.07PaulFertserSpeedEvil: no VM with uCLinux. No MMU, no VM ;)
22:49.29badcloudcan't ssh to FR via SHR?
22:49.32badcloudping works
22:49.48badcloudnot via, running, sorry
22:51.19quatroxbadcloud: nmap -p 22 192.168.0.202
22:51.57SpeedEvilpaulfertiliser: you can in principle implement a VM on the little processor on external RAM.
22:52.25SpeedEvilpaulfertiliser: Not a hardware assisted one, simply akin to the java VM.
22:52.37DaveYou're nmapping your freerunner?
22:53.09quatroxto check if ssh is up
22:53.35quatrox-p 22
22:54.39PaulFertserSpeedEvil: one can in principle implement a PC emulator with enough RAM. ;)
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22:55.22badcloudfrom the host or client?
22:55.22badcloudhost
22:55.24badcloudguessed that one myself
22:55.28badcloudok, I guessed wrong
22:55.56quatroxfrom the workstation
22:56.05quatroxnot fr
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22:57.32badcloudthe FR is refusing connection
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22:57.47SpeedEvilPaulFertser: /me is eagerly awaiting linux in 4*4mm chips for $5. Not quite there yet. All we need is maybe a factor of 4 ROM, and 100 RAM, and it'll work. Or cheaper more mainstream milti-die packages.
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22:58.09quatrox<PROTECTED>
22:58.14badcloudno
22:58.30badcloudhad to run ifup eth0 for some reason
22:58.32quatroxcrap
22:58.42badcloudwhat happened, quatrox?
22:59.19quatroxthat is wifi
22:59.32badcloudrrrhmmmm?
22:59.41badcloudon my workstation, not the FR
22:59.47quatroxohh
23:00.01badcloudwhat would be the line for that...
23:00.06quatroxbtw, using shr
23:00.11badcloudyeah
23:00.34quatroxor workstation?
23:00.58badcloudI think I'll try via FR using wifi
23:01.02badcloudany short way to hook up to a wifi ap?
23:01.11badcloudnot mofi, I can safely assume
23:01.28badcloudI just want to install the locking prog so I can go to bed with a sense of accomplishment
23:01.29quatroxcommandline
23:01.45badcloudand so I can carry a near-working phone in my pocket tomorrow
23:02.24badcloudwhat's the default terminal text editor on the FR?
23:02.32badcloudon SHR
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23:03.22quatroxiwconfig eth0 essid YOUR_SSID; route del default; udhcpc eth0
23:03.41quatroxdefault editor is vi
23:04.28quatroxPaulFertser: do you use shr?
23:04.46PaulFertserquatrox: not yet
23:06.03quatroxafter suspend, the idle timeout does not get reset from touch screen input
23:06.10quatroxi must push aux all the time
23:06.32quatroxsame for you?
23:06.52badcloudexited with a code 1?
23:07.09PaulFertserquatrox: no, not even with MS4
23:07.13badcloudlooks like it's in a sending discover loop
23:07.33quatroxgood
23:07.38PaulFertserquatrox: But sometimes it's not reset from touch screen, true. But rarely.
23:08.25quatroxhappens only after wakeup from suspendd
23:11.24quatroxi must reboot to fix this
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23:12.58badcloudok, no way I'm copying an entire wpa_supplicant config file by hand
23:13.14badcloudany way to get through to dropbear?
23:13.35badcloudnmap is giving me 'host seems down'
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23:26.32quatroxone other annoying thing: when I use the FR with external keyboard, the screen should _not_ blank
23:26.42quatroxI should fix that
23:27.14quatroxjust found his BT kbd
23:27.17DaveIT does? o_O
23:27.47quatroxno
23:27.54quatroxnot blanck
23:27.55Dave~_~
23:27.56aptSTOP DOING THAT!
23:27.57quatroxblank
23:28.08quatroxbut the lights go out
23:28.16DaveOH
23:28.17Daveyeah
23:28.20quatroxidle time is not reset
23:28.21Davethat makes sense
23:28.25Daveright
23:28.32DaveLet's make a modification then!
23:28.33Dave:)
23:28.37DaveI agree
23:28.49quatroxmakes sence? not really
23:29.00quatroxkeyboard _is_ input
23:29.11Mononokehmmm what about porting olpc's sugar on openmoko ?
23:29.40quatroxsugar?
23:29.48lindi-it didn't feel like something i'd want to use :)
23:30.04rohquatrox thats the unusable ui the're using
23:30.20rohMononoke eventually somebody will do that after they've cleaned up their arch and code...
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23:30.31Mononokequatrox: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar
23:30.41quatroxroh: ok
23:31.23rohMononoke atm its basically _one_ big python app and its even slow as hell even on the olpc itself... which should have more cpu than the openmoko (different, bigger power budget)
23:31.38Mononokeyeah I know :)
23:32.00Mononokebut the idea isn't bad... well it needs time just like openmoko
23:32.05quatroxMononoke: ahh - now I remember it
23:34.31Davehey roh :)
23:38.11rohhi Dave
23:38.28ronnybig python apps arent necessaryly slow
23:38.38ronnybut the olpc stack is EW
23:39.01quatroxhow can I fake that AUX btn is pressed?
23:39.18quatroxecho something to /dev/input/eventN
23:39.21quatrox?
23:39.46rohronny the point is that afaik all apps avail need to fit in memory at once
23:39.55Daveronny, isn't everything slow, to you? ;)
23:40.06ronnyDave: no, some things are barely ok
23:40.31ronnylike vloatile asm("hlt");
23:40.41Davehahaha
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23:42.29quatroxI think I can edit idlenotifier.py to avoid screen bg light dimming, right?
23:46.02mickeylif you want to hack the code, sure
23:46.08mickeylyou might as well just change frameworkd.conf
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23:48.53CIA-46freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9e32a58cebfc 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py:
23:48.53CIA-46freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: gather context status from pdp object, not from network
23:48.53CIA-46freesmartphone.org: this makes it inline with the signal and the actual logical state
23:48.53CIA-46freesmartphone.org: closing #289, as all parts should be in place now.
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23:51.14quatroxmickeyl: thanks. I forgot that. I just fixed the ignore_input line:)
23:51.38badcloudthanks for all the great help, especially quatrox, for your patience
23:51.49badcloudgood night
23:51.50quatroxno problem
23:52.01quatroxgood night badcloud
23:52.08badcloudnight
23:52.13badcloudI'll be back
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