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| 00:06.42 | Slaxxer | O problems with 2008.12 so far |
| 00:07.08 | Slaxxer | pythm installed but no music yet |
| 00:07.40 | bipak_ | works good for me, too |
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| 00:18.55 | frankS2 | anyone have any OS to recommend for the openmoko? gta02 is not good enough |
| 00:18.57 | frankS2 | om 12 |
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| 00:29.39 | Slaxxer | pretty soon things are going to expand rapidly |
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| 00:47.27 | Slaxxer | time cor CS |
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| 00:52.02 | frankS2 | opkg update times out... |
| 00:52.04 | frankS2 | any suggestions? |
| 00:52.14 | frankS2 | it has internet access |
| 00:52.21 | frankS2 | and ping www.google.com works fine |
| 00:55.50 | frankS2 | deleted default route worked like a charm |
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| 01:11.29 | lollisoft | bipak_: I haven't posted any problems here about mplayer :-) |
| 01:12.39 | lollisoft | But thanks, I have solved it. There may be a feed problem or that file wasn't there at this time. OTOH, I didn't know any more goog explanation :-) |
| 01:13.07 | lollisoft | So, it's time to sleep. Bye... |
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| 01:29.27 | nemik | hello. anyone found a way to get hashlib running on openmoko's python 2.5? |
| 01:29.55 | nemik | it's not compiled in and is causing me giant headaches. i just want to ask before reverting to cross-compilation |
| 01:47.18 | brian__ | bipak it was me |
| 01:50.22 | bipak | no it was lollisoft, but he just doesn't know *g* |
| 01:51.30 | brian__ | ok |
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| 01:53.03 | brian__ | i installed pythm earlier |
| 01:53.14 | brian__ | was having some issues |
| 01:54.15 | brian__ | but it starts an im waiting to put some music on |
| 01:55.03 | brian__ | suspend seems to work |
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| 02:03.52 | bipak | :) |
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| 02:10.55 | bipak | im going to sleep |
| 02:10.59 | bipak | cya |
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| 04:17.52 | brian__ | another day with no problems |
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| 04:21.47 | brian__ | diversity an terminal |
| 04:22.09 | brian__ | using onboard installer |
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| 06:41.03 | brian__ | how do i scroll through commands in the terminal with the qtopia keyboard thatcomes with 2008.12? |
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| 06:47.51 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03olvaffe 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f938bffe5b8 10/packages/udev/udev-118/openmoko/init: udev: skip coldplug only when there are static nodes AND a node tarball. |
| 06:48.21 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03olvaffe 07org.openmoko.dev * r531440d8d620 10/packages/udev/udev-static-devices.bb: udev-static-devices: Untar the tarball in postinst stage. |
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| 07:10.04 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03olvaffe 07org.openmoko.stable * rbcc92f9d86c2 10/packages/udev/udev-118/openmoko/init: udev: skip coldplug only when there are static nodes AND a node tarball. |
| 07:10.05 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03olvaffe 07org.openmoko.stable * r3d003f27e3d8 10/packages/udev/udev-static-devices.bb: udev-static-devices: Untar the tarball in postinst stage. |
| 07:12.19 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r4882 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/decode.py: |
| 07:12.19 | CIA-7 | openmoko: Found an old uncommitted change. |
| 07:12.19 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - lib/decode.py (d_sdio_cmd): only display the CRC if there's a problem with it |
| 07:12.19 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - lib/decode.py (d_usb_dp): separate stream decoder for batch processing |
| 07:12.19 | CIA-7 | openmoko: - lib/decode.py (usb_sof): invoke crc5 with correct arguments |
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| 07:16.22 | Sargun | Neo, action shot: |
| 07:16.27 | Sargun | http://sargun.smugmug.com/gallery/6985772_VnPFC/44/447146202_jv6yf#447765667_JcVSa |
| 07:28.15 | cga | Sargun: how a re we supposed to look at it if you want us to enter a password? -.- |
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| 07:32.31 | lindi- | Sargun: The requested fragment "#447765667_JcVSa" doesn't exist. |
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| 08:39.02 | Sargun | cga, lindi- my password |
| 08:39.05 | Sargun | is the password |
| 08:43.31 | lindi- | Sargun: but the fragment does not exist |
| 08:45.01 | Sargun | lindi-, you're mangling the URL |
| 08:45.14 | Sargun | http://sargun.smugmug.com/gallery/6985772_VnPFC/44/447146202_jv6yf#447788411_QZd6u |
| 08:46.57 | lindi- | Sargun: the fragment still does not exist in the document: http://rafb.net/p/ZeoHN637.html |
| 08:47.29 | Sargun | lindi-, use a web browser |
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| 08:47.54 | Sargun | lindi-, you have to put in a password |
| 08:48.07 | lindi- | Sargun: use HTML |
| 08:48.18 | Sargun | lindi-, Sorry, can't |
| 08:48.27 | lindi- | Sargun: I used a browser first and it gave me an error 'The requested fragment "#447765667_JcVSa" doesn't exist.' |
| 08:48.44 | lindi- | Sargun: I used wget only to show you that the fragment really does not exist in the document |
| 08:49.23 | Sargun | yes, because it recognizes wget as a non-compatible user agent wget |
| 08:49.26 | Sargun | er |
| 08:49.32 | Sargun | not sure why it kicked up your browser |
| 08:49.44 | lindi- | Sargun: URL of the form http://blahblah/foo#bar implies that the document contains <a name="bar"> |
| 08:50.01 | lindi- | Sargun: it does filtering based on user agent? |
| 08:50.14 | Sargun | http://sargun.smugmug.com/gallery/6985772_VnPFC/44/447146202_jv6yf#447788411_QZd6u |
| 08:50.20 | Sargun | I turned off privacy |
| 08:50.42 | lindi- | the fragment still does not exist :) |
| 08:51.16 | Sargun | http://sargun.smugmug.com/photos/447788411_QZd6u-L.jpg |
| 08:51.18 | Sargun | Arg. |
| 08:51.20 | lindi- | Sargun: can you see the anchor for it? |
| 08:51.34 | lindi- | Sargun: thanks, that works! |
| 08:51.52 | Sargun | http://sargun.smugmug.com/photos/447788411_QZd6u-XL.jpg |
| 08:52.06 | Sargun | Giant sized: http://sargun.smugmug.com/photos/447788411_QZd6u-O.jpg |
| 08:52.57 | lindi- | the neo is quite well hidden but i found it ;) |
| 08:53.12 | Sargun | hehe |
| 08:53.17 | Sargun | http://sargun.smugmug.com/photos/447765667_JcVSa-XL.jpg |
| 08:53.39 | Sargun | I should make a game "Where is neo" |
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| 09:23.04 | badcloud | trying to use the phone as my main one. can anyone tell me which distro is the most stable with the suspend/resume? |
| 09:24.45 | badcloud | so far .09 and .12 have failed miserably |
| 09:24.55 | badcloud | (OM) |
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| 09:25.45 | badcloud | !2007.2 suspend |
| 09:27.29 | henk | i like fso, but that is only supposed to be a demo or something. |
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| 09:34.43 | badcloud | crap |
| 09:35.16 | zeeek | poop |
| 09:36.29 | badcloud | shitsa |
| 09:37.02 | badcloud | naw, I'm just a bit taken aback with the lack of usability in some of the stacks |
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| 10:15.57 | bipak | raster: is it possible to disable the "Default" and "Numbers" keyboards? or maybe making the "Terminal" keyboard as default |
| 10:16.09 | raster | delete the files |
| 10:16.11 | raster | :) |
| 10:16.19 | raster | rename Terminal.kbd to Default.kbd |
| 10:16.27 | raster | if u dont want to mess with the system package files |
| 10:16.31 | raster | do it in ~/.e/e/keyboards |
| 10:16.38 | raster | ~/ files override system ones |
| 10:16.58 | bipak | ah great :) |
| 10:16.59 | bipak | thx |
| 10:17.36 | bipak | didn't know about the files |
| 10:17.56 | raster | :) |
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| 10:19.37 | khaije1 | i'm just wondering about this: how difficult is it to make a system keyboard replacement, maybe something using a different interface for the same thing? |
| 10:19.50 | sleipnir | raster: is there a way to create new application icons on the desktop from a GUI in illume? |
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| 10:20.16 | raster | eeeh aaah errr yes |
| 10:20.23 | sleipnir | :-D |
| 10:20.28 | raster | but u'll need to enable the applications configuration module |
| 10:20.35 | raster | theres a new app config dialog there |
| 10:20.37 | raster | :) |
| 10:20.57 | sleipnir | raster: will test it later today... thx |
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| 10:22.13 | sleipnir | raster: or should i expect any trapdoors? :-) |
| 10:23.26 | raster | not really |
| 10:23.29 | raster | its used on the desktop |
| 10:23.31 | raster | :) |
| 10:23.40 | sleipnir | cool thx |
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| 10:42.13 | finnarne | I'm having a hard time getting my FR to charge. I now have 2 batteries that wont boot up the fr. |
| 10:43.09 | finnarne | apm says "On-line, battery charging: 0% (45d+12:15:00)" |
| 10:43.40 | finnarne | if I try to switch to one of the discharged batterie, the FR dies |
| 10:44.03 | finnarne | So from having 3 working batteries, I fear that I soon are out of batteries. |
| 10:44.38 | finnarne | And I'm unable to boot withe the discharged batteries using the tips with the aux button as well. |
| 10:45.07 | henk | finnarne: which distribution are you running? |
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| 10:45.50 | finnarne | qtopipa |
| 10:47.45 | finnarne | the battery-indicator indicates that the battery is charging 0-1-2-3-5 orange cells |
| 10:48.25 | finnarne | but no red charging indicator on the aux-button. |
| 10:50.16 | finnarne | if I then disconnect the usb-cable, it indicates 2 out of 5 cells on the battery. |
| 10:51.47 | finnarne | when I connects the usb-cable again, the red led on aux lighths up, andall5 cells on the bat-indicator is yellow. And then after some seconds, the bat.indicator starts on the 0-5 cells cycle again. |
| 10:51.52 | finnarne | henk: any tips ? |
| 10:53.14 | henk | i'd try another distro perhaps, but i have no clue what might be the problem. |
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| 10:53.28 | tailsfan92 | whoops |
| 10:55.32 | finnarne | henk: hmm. It worked fine for several days. up until where I tried an car charger (12v -> usb -> usb-cable -> FR) |
| 10:55.56 | Weiss | finnarne: have you tried both a USB port and the mains charger? the FR detects them differently |
| 10:56.13 | finnarne | Weiss: yes. |
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| 10:56.51 | pcfe | anybody using the FR with a Finnish Saunalahti SIM by any chance? |
| 10:57.17 | finnarne | henk: which distro would you recomend. |
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| 11:00.41 | kahless | hi all |
| 11:00.47 | henk | finnarne: fso? or om2008.12? |
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| 11:04.41 | kahless | does anyone know how to fix this error while makeing "make image"? im stuck for days now :( "http://rafb.net/p/mxB58E65.html" |
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| 11:34.00 | finnarne | hmm. 2008.12 wont boot from sd-card. |
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| 11:56.22 | frankS2 | hello, how can i change my "texpad" ... i mean where i type |
| 11:56.35 | frankS2 | it has a dictionary and it is so awfull + i cant change to numbers |
| 11:56.53 | leinirAWAY | Slide your fingers up and down the keyboard to change it |
| 11:56.59 | henk | frankS2: what distribution? usually just 'slide down' over the keyboard... |
| 11:57.04 | leinirAWAY | As for the dictionary, it rocks, if you're using the right language ;) |
| 11:57.21 | henk | or push the button atop the keyboard to the right |
| 11:57.26 | frankS2 | leinirAWAY: not for linux command use |
| 11:58.16 | frankS2 | henk: .12 GTA 2 - when i slide down a magnifier glass comes up |
| 11:58.27 | frankS2 | i just need to turn the dict off |
| 11:59.46 | sleipnir | frankS2: there is a "terminal mode" for the display. just hit the field at the top-right part of the keyboard |
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| 12:00.56 | frankS2 | i have no top-right part of the keyboard |
| 12:01.24 | henk | frankS2: sliding over the keyboard works. you are doing it wrong... |
| 12:02.36 | frankS2 | henk: when i do that a magnifier glass comes up |
| 12:03.20 | frankS2 | so maybe i got the wrong terminal installed |
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| 12:04.09 | sleipnir | frankS2: do you have the white icon on the top-right of this keyboard: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/c/cc/Illume-Keyboard-Screenshot.png? |
| 12:04.43 | frankS2 | sleipnir: my keyboard do not look like that |
| 12:05.52 | sleipnir | hmmm, but there should be a toggle to switch between the different illume keyboard layouts... strange |
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| 12:06.01 | frankS2 | sleipnir: i have not t hat function |
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| 12:09.49 | frankS2 | sleipnir: do you know what keyboard you use? |
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| 12:10.53 | sleipnir | uses the default illume keyboard |
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| 12:12.36 | frankS2 | sleipnir: hm ok |
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| 12:14.30 | Daramarak | Has anybody noticed any improvment on the wifi driver in the 2008.12 release, I've had problems connecting to most networks I have encountered. |
| 12:17.07 | gfather | hello guys |
| 12:18.02 | badcloud | hey there g |
| 12:19.39 | gfather | hay badcloud , |
| 12:20.04 | gfather | it seems im gonna get one of these freerunners and development soon :D |
| 12:20.25 | badcloud | nice |
| 12:20.29 | badcloud | just got mine |
| 12:20.32 | finnarne | henk: and now it draine the 3rd battery, so that I cant boot that one either. I'm windering if the device is broken... |
| 12:20.35 | gfather | ill be working on arabic localization and support |
| 12:20.43 | badcloud | anyone know if 2007.2 can support suspend? |
| 12:21.24 | gfather | finnarne , do u have a nokia mobile? |
| 12:21.34 | finnarne | nope |
| 12:21.50 | gfather | finnarne , do u know anyone who have a nokia mobile ? |
| 12:22.12 | gfather | just put it in nokia , charge it a littel , then put it back |
| 12:22.20 | dns53 | i'd buy a spare nokia bl-5c battery |
| 12:22.28 | finnarne | gfather: wait, maybe my little daughter have a nokia that she got from her grandfather. |
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| 12:22.36 | Weiss | Daramarak: the kernel is the same, so there almost certainly won't be any difference. when the new kernel becomes the default wifi should become a lot better |
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| 12:23.31 | Daramarak | Weiss: ok I thought there had been some kernel improvements also. |
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| 12:26.09 | Weiss | there's been some general improvements, but the really exciting kernel stuff has been on 2.6.28 for quite a long time |
| 12:26.20 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 12:27.28 | Daramarak | I sure wish the wifi would be fixed, it is the best feature of the freerunner |
| 12:29.15 | frankS2 | hehe yup |
| 12:30.04 | finnarne | I got a wayfinder gps that uses somewhat the same battery (although only 680mAh) I was able to boot FR with that one, but the FR shuts down as soon as I remove the battery, so I wont be able to swutch battery :( |
| 12:32.13 | gfather | did you plug the charger in it ? |
| 12:32.24 | finnarne | yes |
| 12:32.32 | gfather | strange |
| 12:33.08 | finnarne | not sure what model the old nokia was at home. but I will try that one. |
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| 12:45.42 | badcloud | jeez, where the crap can I download the FSO image?? |
| 12:48.22 | gfather | whats the diffrence between the freerunner neo and 1973 |
| 12:49.00 | Wonka | slaps badcloud with http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 12:49.11 | ronny | gfather: different hardware generation, its in the wiki |
| 12:49.20 | Wonka | gfather: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 |
| 12:49.28 | gfather | thanks |
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| 12:49.39 | badcloud | much obliged, wonka |
| 12:49.44 | badcloud | I need that |
| 12:49.47 | badcloud | (slap) |
| 12:49.55 | Wonka | :) |
| 12:50.07 | SpeedEvil | The neo1973 was produced in 1973, by an elite group of special forces. Imprisoned for a crime they did not commit... |
| 12:52.23 | jmontane | SpeedEvil, :)) |
| 12:52.42 | Wonka | the neo team? |
| 12:52.53 | Wonka | da-da-daaa da-da daaa |
| 12:53.45 | gfather | strange that neo dont have atleast a 2mp cam |
| 12:54.51 | Sargun | why? |
| 12:55.10 | SpeedEvil | the SoC in the neo does not support a camera |
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| 12:58.00 | XorA | SpeedEvil: does too |
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| 13:00.28 | Weiss | wonders if one could rig up some kind of SDIO camera to the SD card slot, fitting the guts of it in that handy cuboidal empty space that's just above it in the case |
| 13:02.59 | Weiss | not sure if Glamo's MMC engine could be made to do SDIO though |
| 13:04.09 | leinir | i seem to remember reading somewhere that it can do SDIO |
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| 13:08.01 | gfather | Weiss i was thinking of doing a small usb cam |
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| 13:08.35 | gfather | small cam thats attached to usb , seems a nice idea |
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| 13:17.19 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r32 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Change org.openmoko.asu.stable to org.openmoko.stable - fixes #2169. |
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| 13:38.56 | Daramarak | gfather: like this http://www.everythingusb.com/volvox_usb_webcam_key.html |
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| 13:39.22 | gfather[a] | thanks , and i was looking @ the applications |
| 13:39.39 | gfather[a] | strange that no one thought of vlan player |
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| 13:47.23 | tifereth | hi |
| 13:47.25 | tifereth | anyone can tell me how to use qwo on shr? |
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| 14:02.44 | Defiant- | tifereth: I don't know shr but I use debian. What problem do you have with qwo? |
| 14:03.35 | tifereth | i didn't know how to switch between illume keyboard and shr |
| 14:03.39 | tifereth | but have managed it yet |
| 14:03.45 | tifereth | just set it in illume seetings |
| 14:03.59 | Defiant- | But qwo works in shr? |
| 14:04.20 | tifereth | yep |
| 14:05.34 | Defiant- | Because qwo needed some tuning for me so it could replace matchbox-keyboard |
| 14:05.57 | tifereth | shr worked fine just install the packages and change default keyboard |
| 14:06.04 | tifereth | but seems my fingers are a bit too thick |
| 14:06.18 | tifereth | or i'm not yet that experienced to be faster than illume |
| 14:06.21 | tifereth | keyboard |
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| 15:34.12 | evolux | hey, I just released some new application: pytomboy, it displays tomboy notes (without mono): http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/pytomboy.html |
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| 17:10.50 | frankS2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.56 | frankS2 | im getting this while opkg update |
| 17:11.00 | frankS2 | anyone have new sources? |
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| 17:14.39 | gfather | hello guys |
| 17:14.53 | gfather | is there a openmoko vm image ? |
| 17:20.06 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03werner * r4883 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/mknor: Clarified NOR flashing instructions. |
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| 17:22.06 | gfather | i found a vm image , not sure from where :S |
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| 17:38.38 | frankS2 | omg, how can i change my keybar... its so sucky... qtopia |
| 17:38.39 | frankS2 | shit |
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| 17:41.13 | brian__ | frank the md5sums are missing |
| 17:41.28 | frankS2 | brian__: ? |
| 17:41.31 | frankS2 | how can i fix |
| 17:42.04 | brian__ | i tried the illume keyboard a few times it borks my install |
| 17:42.24 | brian__ | theres just 4 right? |
| 17:43.10 | brian__ | om needs to fix not u |
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| 17:52.38 | Mortak | hi |
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| 17:59.46 | c13 | hi Mortak |
| 18:00.12 | Mortak | :) |
| 18:07.37 | gfather | hello Mortak |
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| 18:11.48 | Mortak | hi gfather |
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| 18:14.30 | frankS2 | anyone know how to change the keyboard? the standard one is bad |
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| 18:21.20 | gfather | frankS2 i see thats in the wiki |
| 18:21.46 | gfather | frankS2 try the fat om as full package , allot of stuff fixed and working good |
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| 18:22.17 | frankS2 | gfather: where can i find it? |
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| 18:22.51 | gfather | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution |
| 18:23.12 | gfather | when u compare it to ther distros , this one lets say the most complete |
| 18:23.49 | gfather | it has allot of fixes and stuff contrebuted that all things should suposedlly work good |
| 18:23.59 | gfather | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.12 | gfather | frankS2 wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 18:25.19 | frankS2 | thanks gfather |
| 18:25.26 | gfather | chek out this to , so u know whats the diffrence |
| 18:25.30 | gfather | anytime m8 |
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| 18:30.51 | frankS2 | gfather: you know how i can turn off the dictionary? it is so irritating when i am typing commands on the commandline |
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| 18:39.43 | gfather | frankS2 read this |
| 18:39.51 | gfather | https://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/7/25/2675844/thread |
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| 18:49.07 | puremichl | Hello. Would like to know how long the average standby time is, or if i need to recharge the device every day ? |
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| 18:52.34 | gfather | puremichl , it sstill work in progress |
| 18:52.46 | gfather | but it should be in normal cases 12 h |
| 18:53.10 | gfather | and 21 h |
| 18:53.52 | gfather | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery |
| 18:54.10 | gfather | puremichl read thi sand ull understand more |
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| 18:56.14 | puremichl | so its even now quite unusable by 'normal' users ? |
| 18:56.36 | puremichl | too bad; i've got to wait again |
| 18:58.24 | gfather | puremichl well i think if ur abve than normal user , it shouldent be a problem |
| 18:58.47 | gfather | as if the battery the only thing is making yoiu wait , i dont think you should wait |
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| 18:59.24 | henk | wasn't dfu-util capable of listing all alt settings somehow? |
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| 19:01.57 | puremichl | i would like to replace my samsung mobilephone (just for minor telephoning, sms and contact/note management) - but i fear that the device attracts me only for a few days and i regret to buy it |
| 19:01.59 | henk | hm ok, it is. with -l, but before it only listed the devices... |
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| 19:04.45 | samgee | puremichl, what is your motivation to consider buying it? |
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| 19:07.03 | puremichl | my samsung phone often hangs and is poorly accessible under linux... and writing notes/surfing is almost impossible(unergonomic) with that device.. and maybe some sort of gadget-factor |
| 19:07.40 | puremichl | ( and the fun developing small apps for it ) |
| 19:08.32 | puremichl | but well; i fear that the device is quite unusable |
| 19:10.13 | samgee | puremichl, if you think developing apps for it is fun, than an unfinished phone would be ideal for you |
| 19:10.17 | samgee | :) |
| 19:10.30 | henk | argh? how do i boot to recent u-boot? power, then aux, hold both for 4 seconds? |
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| 19:11.50 | gfather | samgee thats what im saying :) , if hes not a normal user , and he say hes gonna have fun to develop some stuff , he should get it |
| 19:12.09 | samgee | puremichl, but why freerunner? If it's for another reason than freedomloving or tinkering than you should think twice |
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| 19:15.51 | puremichl | i've been thinking more than twice of it... since almost two years now |
| 19:17.38 | samgee | I see |
| 19:18.16 | samgee | well, my personal motto is: "when in doubt, don't; except when it's good for free software" :) |
| 19:20.53 | puremichl | if someone would give me one device as a present, i would be very happy :-) |
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| 19:22.17 | samgee | :) |
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| 19:30.18 | AntonTakk | puremichl: if it helps any, i bought a fr when it first became available, since then, i have given up trying to use it as a daily phone with the exception of the ocational "try and see" every time a fso milestone is released |
| 19:30.29 | AntonTakk | otoh, i do not regret buying it |
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| 19:33.36 | AntonTakk | i'm working on creating my own app/ui for basic smartphone phone functionality (calls, sms, contacts, calendar) and having a good but of fun doing it, especially having never written an app with a gui before |
| 19:33.50 | AntonTakk | s/but/bit |
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| 19:35.59 | frankS2 | anyone know how to change the keyboard? the standard one is bad |
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| 19:37.57 | frankS2 | or just remove the friggin annoying dictionary |
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| 19:40.56 | bernt | AntonTakk: do you use python for it? |
| 19:41.12 | AntonTakk | bernt: no, C |
| 19:42.21 | bernt | very good ;-) -- I saw that for every little python program thats running, an one python with 5 MB memory usage is running. |
| 19:43.22 | AntonTakk | heh |
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| 19:44.53 | bernt | AntonTakk: how much is already running of your program? |
| 19:45.40 | bernt | (I would like to test it ;-) ) |
| 19:45.44 | johnsu01 | raster: Has anyone produced a file for the keyboard to make the keys fill the screen horizontally when the screen is rotated? |
| 19:46.23 | AntonTakk | bernt: well, if i were to un-comment the text only ui i used to test the actual functionality, you would be able to add, delete, view, and edit contacts consisting of a name and a phone number from the system default evolution contact book |
| 19:47.21 | AntonTakk | the gui curently bears no resembelence to the idea od usability |
| 19:48.32 | AntonTakk | bernt: if you are interested, i will put the source and edj theme on my webserver tonight when I get home |
| 19:49.03 | bernt | AntonTakk: This would be very nice :-) |
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| 19:50.37 | AntonTakk | i do have some ideas i would like to play with in the ui area when i get basic functionality everywhere else |
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| 19:53.43 | AntonTakk | like having the in-call ui partially transparent with either real framework text output or faked call output scrolling in the background as the status of the call changes :) |
| 19:53.58 | bernt | I could try to make an ui with glade / gtk ... |
| 19:54.38 | henk | why not help the gnome mobile project instead? |
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| 19:56.39 | AntonTakk | because i'm writing this as an app for om phones, and i believe efl will deliver (in time (dictated by my curent lack of skill)) a nicer ui with less overhead |
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| 20:02.44 | gfather1 | frankS2 did you use the fat om ? |
| 20:02.45 | frankS2 | no i dont want to remove the OS |
| 20:02.45 | frankS2 | ive done some changes |
| 20:02.45 | frankS2 | that im happy with |
| 20:02.49 | frankS2 | i just haaaate the dict |
| 20:02.59 | SpeedEvil | twm + athena widgets |
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| 20:04.32 | gfather1 | frankS2 wich os u have ? |
| 20:05.05 | frankS2 | gfather1: .12 |
| 20:05.06 | frankS2 | gta |
| 20:06.05 | gfather1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume |
| 20:06.21 | gfather1 | here is the other keyboard |
| 20:06.39 | gfather1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Keyboard and this if you want to modify the one you have |
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| 20:07.24 | jonsmith1982 | are there any fitness apps for the openmoko, would it be possible to use the freerunner with existing gym equipment? |
| 20:07.45 | gfather1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F |
| 20:08.02 | gfather1 | frankS2 and the last link has all the info to your questions |
| 20:08.25 | jonsmith1982 | would be good if i could make the freerunner the main display for a very basic treadmill i have. |
| 20:08.27 | SpeedEvil | jonsmith1982: no |
| 20:08.29 | SpeedEvil | jonsmith1982: it'll connect to bluetooth stuff |
| 20:08.40 | SpeedEvil | jonsmith1982: AIUI no gym stuff uses gym stuff tho |
| 20:08.45 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth stuff |
| 20:09.27 | gfather1 | frankS2 still having questions ? |
| 20:11.01 | frankS2 | gfather1: thank you, you have been too much help - Ive read and followed instructions now. At least i removed the qtopia keyboard \o/ but now there no keyboard at all |
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| 20:13.36 | jonsmith1982 | anyone know what wireless technology the ipod nike sensor uses? |
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| 20:15.12 | gfather1 | frankS2> good :) , install one of the others |
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| 20:15.27 | frankS2 | yup ive installed illume-config-illume |
| 20:15.29 | frankS2 | now |
| 20:15.33 | frankS2 | i just need to set it up |
| 20:16.41 | gfather1 | good :) |
| 20:17.19 | frankS2 | you know if i got to change a config file to "illume" from qtopia? |
| 20:17.29 | frankS2 | Then switch keyboard from "None" to "Default" in Illume's preferences. |
| 20:17.31 | frankS2 | it stands |
| 20:17.58 | gfather1 | i didnt understand the question |
| 20:18.39 | frankS2 | like where i change the default terminal |
| 20:18.50 | henk | can i repartition the nand? |
| 20:18.57 | lindi- | henk: sure |
| 20:19.17 | henk | lindi-: with u-boot? |
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| 20:19.40 | lindi- | henk: have you ever used boot loader to repartition stuff? |
| 20:20.18 | puremichl | who is actually using the freerunner as a primary phone ? |
| 20:20.24 | lindi- | puremichl: i |
| 20:20.40 | puremichl | for every-day usage ? |
| 20:20.40 | gfather1 | frankS2 not sure WHATS THE QUESTION :) |
| 20:20.40 | lindi- | henk: but yes, there is no partition table. the kernel command line determines the layout |
| 20:20.44 | lindi- | puremichl: yeah |
| 20:20.46 | henk | lindi-: no, not really, but afair it's possible with grub, isn't it? |
| 20:21.03 | lindi- | henk: surely not |
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| 20:21.14 | frankS2 | gfather1: im sorry, ive disabled the qtopia-keyboard, now i want the illume-keyboard, ive installed illume-keyboard. Now where do i have to go to make it default? |
| 20:21.18 | lindi- | henk: grub won't write to your disk except in very special case |
| 20:21.56 | gfather1 | rm -rf ~/.e/e/config/illume |
| 20:22.04 | frankS2 | ive done that |
| 20:22.05 | gfather1 | etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
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| 20:22.08 | henk | lindi-: commandline: ah ok... grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#partnew that looks a lot like it can?! |
| 20:23.07 | frankS2 | gfather1: done both , weird |
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| 20:24.01 | lindi- | henk: interesting |
| 20:24.02 | lindi- | henk: if (! rawwrite (current_drive, 0, mbr)) |
| 20:24.06 | lindi- | henk: it really writes to disk |
| 20:24.46 | gfather1 | frankS2 wait im cheking it |
| 20:24.51 | henk | hmpf now i really have to write my own env it seems :-/ |
| 20:25.14 | lindi- | henk: why is configuring uboot so scary? ;) |
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| 20:25.56 | henk | lindi-: a bit more lowlevel than i have ever been with technologie i have never used. or something like that... |
| 20:26.26 | gfather1 | lindi- is there a vmware fo latest build ? |
| 20:26.33 | henk | lindi-: are you using debian 'daily' on the FR? |
| 20:26.36 | mwester | Why on earth is anyone changing the partitioning of the flash space on the gta02 -- surely they are creating more troubles for themselves than they could be solving!!! |
| 20:27.23 | lindi- | gfather1: vmware is non-free |
| 20:27.37 | quatrox2 | can anyone explain my logs: http://om.quatrox.org/om/gprs |
| 20:27.57 | henk | mwester: don't worry. i am not going to unless unavoidable. and even then only with someone who knows what he's doing as long as i don't. |
| 20:28.50 | mwester | henk: I'm just trying to understand the use-case; as it would the first time anyone has mentioned changing it (at least since the prototype stage for the phone). |
| 20:29.14 | lindi- | quatrox2: does it persist? |
| 20:29.28 | gfather1 | lindi- anything similar |
| 20:29.33 | mwester | But there are, of course, many other things to change in the uboot environment, and many people are replacing uboot with the Om-proprietary Qi bootloader. |
| 20:29.58 | gfather1 | frankS2 There is a small wrench on the top of the pull down menu that lets you |
| 20:29.59 | gfather1 | change illume's preferences. |
| 20:30.08 | lindi- | gfather1: I have not managed to compile latest build of om, see #2169. i am using debian myself here |
| 20:30.35 | gfather1 | i see |
| 20:30.37 | henk | mwester: i read something about editing the env and stumbled across someone mentioning errors from envedit concerning the partition layout. |
| 20:30.45 | frankS2 | gfather1: no it isnt :( - this is the "dark" version latest .12 OM |
| 20:30.47 | frankS2 | not the white |
| 20:30.55 | frankS2 | i think i recall seeing it there |
| 20:30.57 | frankS2 | on the white |
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| 20:31.02 | frankS2 | but that was on a older version |
| 20:31.15 | frankS2 | root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/version |
| 20:31.15 | frankS2 | 200812180014 |
| 20:31.23 | gfather1 | well if anyone can make a virtual image , i would aprecitate that |
| 20:31.36 | frankS2 | root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/om-version |
| 20:31.36 | frankS2 | Tag Name: |
| 20:31.36 | frankS2 | VERSION: cd512fd1e1aee5f4ba368d8acc1f2fb7a32773d3 |
| 20:31.36 | frankS2 | Branch: org.openmoko.stable |
| 20:31.36 | frankS2 | Build Host: barbie |
| 20:31.38 | frankS2 | Time Stamp: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:15:27 +0800 |
| 20:31.50 | yoyo_ | on the .12 OM in alsov framework? |
| 20:32.02 | henk | mwester: i did use qi, but since there is no possibility to choose whether to boot from sd or nand, it isn't usable for a dual boot system. or is it? |
| 20:32.09 | frankS2 | yoyo_: i dont know? |
| 20:32.26 | yoyo_ | ps -A | grep frameworkd |
| 20:32.36 | yoyo_ | frankS2: test it |
| 20:32.45 | frankS2 | no suck thing as framworkd running |
| 20:33.22 | yoyo_ | frankS2: yyy sory it is python test ps -aux | grep framework |
| 20:33.38 | mwester | henk: No, not really. Qi was designed to be absolutely minimal. It deviated from that a little in order to have some ability to recover from bad flashes and such, but it basically leaves user selection of boot things up to the kernel -- we (community) need to build a minimal kernel/rootfs that can present the user with a menu for alternate boot options and such. |
| 20:34.02 | frankS2 | yoyo_: nope - nothung there |
| 20:34.17 | yoyo_ | frankS2: you can make and recive calls? |
| 20:34.20 | mwester | All the necessary infrastructure is present, we just need a couple of people to take on such a project. It's just code at this point. |
| 20:34.25 | frankS2 | yoyo_: yes |
| 20:34.32 | yoyo_ | wow |
| 20:34.34 | gfather1 | frankS2 then i would sugest u install the 3rd keyboard |
| 20:34.40 | quatrox2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.44 | frankS2 | yoyo_: or i did... before flash |
| 20:35.06 | frankS2 | ill test |
| 20:35.10 | yoyo_ | hyyy interesting :) |
| 20:35.12 | frankS2 | gfather1: what keyboard is that? |
| 20:35.34 | henk | mwester: did anyone start such a project yet? |
| 20:35.35 | frankS2 | yoyo_: oh, no network it stands :P |
| 20:35.44 | gfather1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_OM_2007.2#What_does_the_keyboard_look_like.3F |
| 20:35.50 | henk | mwester: or is willing to start one? |
| 20:36.01 | frankS2 | yoyo_: do i have to install framework to allow calling? |
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| 20:36.20 | quatrox2 | lindi-: 100% reproducable |
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| 20:36.40 | mwester | henk: not for openmoko. exactly such a thing already exists and is working in OE (which is what Om's images are based on) -- I think the Zaurus devices use the "kexecboot" mechanism (not sure exactly about the name). |
| 20:36.42 | yoyo_ | frankS2: I don't know. I use shr-unstable + my own mods :) |
| 20:37.16 | yoyo_ | frankS2: on shr is frameworkd and ophonekitd for that (cals/sms) |
| 20:37.34 | frankS2 | yoyo_: ok, thanks, weird that it isnt started/installed by default |
| 20:38.31 | frankS2 | gfather1: wuuu, thanks - now i have keyboard =) |
| 20:38.42 | gfather1 | wich one ? |
| 20:38.59 | frankS2 | gfather1: matchbox-keyboard |
| 20:39.05 | gfather1 | nice ;) |
| 20:39.14 | yoyo_ | can someone teal my how can I disable dictionary on illume-keyboard? |
| 20:39.28 | quatrox2 | lindie-: I need to reboot to be able to connect again. It happens on heavy download like opkg update |
| 20:39.43 | gfather1 | yoyo_ u can , change the keyboard :) |
| 20:39.48 | gfather1 | yoyo_ u cantttttttttttte keyboard :) |
| 20:40.29 | yoyo_ | gfather1: illume-keyboard is good. I have in it dvorak layout |
| 20:40.59 | yoyo_ | gfather1: but dictionary in my fluent language pl in not usable and slows down system |
| 20:41.06 | yoyo_ | I'm gta01 owner :) |
| 20:41.18 | mwester | loves the gta01 :) |
| 20:41.26 | yoyo_ | hyhyh |
| 20:41.32 | gfather1 | use http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_OM_2007.2#What_does_the_keyboard_look_like.3F |
| 20:41.37 | henk | mwester: i'd be glad to help where i can, if you hear about someone starting the project and i don't. |
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| 20:42.38 | gfather1 | yoyo_ Matchbox keyboard should be cool for you |
| 20:42.52 | gfather1 | ask frankS2 , he just installed it |
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| 20:43.08 | gfather1 | frankS2 hows the keyboard ? |
| 20:43.14 | frankS2 | the best |
| 20:43.18 | mwester | henk: I'll note that -- right now there are higher priorities, it seems, and there are too few developers -- every help is appreciated in the community. |
| 20:43.22 | gfather1 | :) |
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| 20:43.32 | yoyo_ | gfather1: yyy not realy, in is so tiny :) at illume-keyboard I have layout with big buttons. I don't need any pencile to write on it |
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| 20:44.08 | yoyo_ | aaa on ,12 OM is qtopia phone manager ;) aaa |
| 20:44.09 | frankS2 | now i just need GSM support and i have a fully functional phone |
| 20:44.10 | frankS2 | lol |
| 20:44.48 | lindi- | quatrox2: is reboot needed? does reseting GSM help? |
| 20:45.13 | frankS2 | (and change ringtone) |
| 20:45.17 | yoyo_ | hyyy shr is beter :] |
| 20:45.45 | quatrox2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.49 | gfather1 | <yoyo_ im lost with u |
| 20:45.54 | gfather1 | what u need to do ? |
| 20:46.04 | yoyo_ | support for gsm is not all :) |
| 20:46.17 | lindi- | quatrox2: echo 0 | sudo tee $sys_pm_gsm/power_on |
| 20:46.23 | quatrox2 | power off and on the gsm chip does not help |
| 20:46.26 | lindi- | quatrox2: then echo 0 | sudo tee $sys_pm_gsm/power_on echo 1 | sudo tee $sys_pm_gsm/power_on echo 1 | sudo tee $sys_pm_gsm/reset |
| 20:46.27 | yoyo_ | gfather1: disable dictionary in illume-keyboard |
| 20:46.42 | lindi- | quatrox2: what about killing fso-frameworkd and gsm0710muxd? |
| 20:47.04 | yoyo_ | ooo lindi-: you use shr? |
| 20:47.21 | henk | mwester: aren't there always too few people helping on OSS? ;) |
| 20:47.59 | quatrox2 | lindie-: does not help |
| 20:49.01 | gfather1 | yoyo_ i thought i comes in defult without dictionary ? |
| 20:49.11 | gfather1 | or that only when using terminal |
| 20:49.47 | gfather1 | ill look into that , just has to go to eat something :) |
| 20:50.44 | lindi- | yoyo_: nope |
| 20:50.49 | lindi- | quatrox2: really? |
| 20:50.57 | lindi- | quatrox2: reboot should not really do anything special here |
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| 20:52.50 | frankS2 | quatrox2: you have problems with having GSM working? same here |
| 20:53.14 | quatrox2 | gprs |
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| 20:54.30 | quatrox2 | frankS2: http://om.quatrox.org/om/gprs/ |
| 20:55.55 | frankS2 | gsm0710muxd[703]: gsm0710muxd.c:1650:start_muxer(): system-error: 'Resource temporarily unavailable' (code: 11) |
| 20:55.59 | frankS2 | gsm0710muxd[703]: gsm0710muxd.c:1754:watchdog(): Could not open all devices and start muxer errno=11 |
| 20:56.02 | frankS2 | anyone know why this is a problem? |
| 20:56.06 | frankS2 | now getting GSM working |
| 20:58.06 | quatrox2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.12 | frankS2 | i have noe clue |
| 20:58.18 | frankS2 | but i see frameworkd will not start either |
| 20:58.31 | frankS2 | i dunno if it is a coicidence or what |
| 20:59.01 | quatrox2 | We got same problem |
| 20:59.19 | frankS2 | quatrox2: i didnt have this problem last time i flashed to this OM . haha |
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| 21:00.28 | quatrox2 | logread -f|grep /dev/pts/ |
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| 21:01.49 | quatrox2 | frankS2: the highes legal number is 4 |
| 21:02.03 | frankS2 | quatrox2: no output |
| 21:02.31 | quatrox2 | err.. 5 |
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| 21:02.51 | frankS2 | Jan 5 21:43:09 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : Attempts needed to initialize the modem 0 |
| 21:03.22 | quatrox2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.38 | frankS2 | quatrox2: with that you mean calling? |
| 21:03.50 | quatrox2 | no |
| 21:03.55 | quatrox2 | hmm |
| 21:04.02 | quatrox2 | not sure |
| 21:05.01 | quatrox2 | never mind the grep.. maybe the term is always open |
| 21:05.57 | frankS2 | 50:start_muxer(): system-error: 'Resource temporarily unavailable' (code: 11) |
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| 21:07.15 | quatrox2 | I get a similar msg when I try to reconnect to GPRS |
| 21:07.23 | quatrox2 | open a new term and do logread -f |
| 21:07.31 | frankS2 | ok |
| 21:07.32 | frankS2 | hold on |
| 21:07.34 | frankS2 | i rebooted |
| 21:07.44 | brian__ | so who has the black keyboard with white letters on a terminal keyboard |
| 21:07.58 | frankS2 | i had it, and removed it |
| 21:08.03 | brian__ | i cant seem to get that to install |
| 21:08.18 | brian__ | why? |
| 21:08.24 | frankS2 | it sucked |
| 21:08.36 | brian__ | is it illume? |
| 21:09.13 | brian__ | wat u use to scroll commands for keyboard/ |
| 21:09.16 | brian__ | ? |
| 21:10.20 | quatrox2 | frankS2: then do what you did to get the error in the first term.. then switch to the term with logread -f and try to see what is wrong |
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| 21:10.46 | frankS2 | quatrox2: thats a good tip, thank you |
| 21:11.06 | frankS2 | quatrox2: im sorry too bother you - it was my own foolishnes - i didnt enter my PIN at startup :) |
| 21:11.32 | quatrox2 | ohh:) |
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| 21:17.03 | quatrox2 | lindie-: I come to think about that maybe I must reenter the pin code after rebooting the chip - not sure how |
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| 21:19.00 | quatrox2 | but it is annoying that GPRS cannot handle opkg update unless I somehow limit the download speed |
| 21:19.51 | mwester | what distro? |
| 21:20.10 | quatrox2 | SHR |
| 21:23.24 | mwester | quatrox2: there's a known bug in the gsm mux code that overflows a buffer under load -- the symptom is that there will always be the about same amount of data downloaded when it crashes, and it crashes very predictably with this bug. |
| 21:23.46 | mwester | That mux code is only used with FSO, no other distros use it AFAIK. |
| 21:24.00 | quatrox2 | weee |
| 21:24.05 | quatrox2 | thanks |
| 21:25.03 | quatrox2 | i assumed it was overflow but failed to find the bug |
| 21:28.40 | quatrox2 | mwester: I am happy it is not in the firmware. Do you have a link to the mux code? I would love to take a look at it when I get time |
| 21:28.59 | mwester | quatrox2: ask PaulFertser about it, I think. |
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| 21:31.37 | quatrox2 | PaulFertser: do you have a link to the mux code for FSO? |
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| 21:34.46 | elektranox | quatrox2: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=gsm0710muxd.git;a=summary |
| 21:34.54 | elektranox | not that hard to find ;) |
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| 21:35.54 | quatrox2 | ohh... thanks:) |
| 21:36.17 | Cervajz | Hello gentleman |
| 21:36.28 | Cervajz | What do you think about Mono on Neo? |
| 21:36.50 | Cervajz | Do you think that is "crap" for your phone? |
| 21:37.37 | PaulFertser | PaulFertser: sure ;) |
| 21:37.46 | PaulFertser | quatrox2: sure ;) |
| 21:38.22 | quatrox2 | I got it:) |
| 21:38.32 | PaulFertser | quatrox2: it's an interesting report of yours i saw at the ml :) |
| 21:39.21 | PaulFertser | quatrox2: There were actually 2 problems i hopefully fixed in the muxer. And only one was accepted upstream. |
| 21:39.23 | quatrox2 | it was pretty bad |
| 21:40.05 | quatrox2 | ohh |
| 21:40.10 | PaulFertser | quatrox2: I propose you try https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/0001-Implement-write-buffering-for-the-ptys.patch patch to the latest gsm0710muxd you found at the FSO repo. |
| 21:40.37 | PaulFertser | quatrox2: are you using Debian? Do you need an ad-hoc instruction to compile just patched gsm0710muxd? |
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| 21:41.02 | quatrox2 | i use SHR |
| 21:41.26 | frankS2 | quatrox2: how can i change my ring tone? |
| 21:41.28 | PaulFertser | quatrox2: I think you can ask quickdev for his precompiled package with that latest fix i propose |
| 21:42.39 | quatrox2 | great. Thank you very much:) |
| 21:43.10 | Cervajz | I need know your opininon, 'cause i'm thinking about application for Neo in Mono |
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| 21:44.12 | PaulFertser | quatrox2: i think if you really have a problem with the muxer (after applying the patch), you can ask me, as i'm already familiar with the code. You can also try to compare current FSO version with current pyneo version (though the problem my not-yet-accepted patch solves is not addressed there yet). |
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| 21:45.22 | AntonTakk | frankS2: depends largely on which distro you are using |
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| 21:46.24 | frankS2 | AntonTakk: om 12 |
| 21:48.08 | PaulFertser | quatrox2: i'll wait for your feedback, please report it here or on the ml. You should also look at /var/log/messages (or somewhere else, depending on your syslogd configuration) for messages from gsm0710muxd. |
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| 21:54.08 | AntonTakk | frankS2: sorry, haven't used 2008.x in a long time |
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| 21:59.14 | quatrox | PaulFertser: sorry for not replying at once. I was walking home and it is -16 deg Celsius outside |
| 21:59.29 | PaulFertser | quatrox: Cool :) |
| 22:01.04 | Cervajz | So...no opinnions about Mono? :( |
| 22:02.42 | elektranox | Cervajz: use vala :) |
| 22:03.45 | AntonTakk | Cervajz: nothing that can be spoken in polite company :) |
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| 22:05.13 | quatrox | PaulFertser: Thank you for the patch. I will ask quickdev as soon as I see him |
| 22:06.22 | PaulFertser | quatrox: would you mind to try a binary i compiled instead? Just for testing ;) |
| 22:07.01 | quatrox | just give me an url |
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| 22:07.48 | PaulFertser | quatrox: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gsm0710muxd |
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| 22:18.59 | quatrox | PaulFertser: I rebooted with the new binary but now I am not asked for pin |
| 22:19.06 | quatrox | so I will reboot again |
| 22:19.24 | PaulFertser | quatrox: have you ever seen this behaviour before? |
| 22:19.31 | quatrox | no |
| 22:21.35 | PaulFertser | quatrox: did you enable debug logging for ogsmd? You might be able to spot problems by looking at frameworkd log. |
| 22:23.52 | PaulFertser | quatrox: btw, you don't need to reboot the phone for that. After closing all applications that request GSM resource, the muxer gets killed by the framework. And after you launch a phone application again, the frameworked starts the muxer which power-cycles the modem. So, it's equivalent to a full reboot. |
| 22:24.41 | quatrox | how do I enable the debug? I will check the wiki:) |
| 22:24.56 | leavittx | hi everyone! |
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| 22:25.24 | leavittx | I'm still with my old probem with sim cards((( |
| 22:25.41 | quatrox | PaulFertser: .. what? the muxer is not always active? I thought it needed to be in order to receive calls and sms'es |
| 22:25.44 | leavittx | they don't work at all |
| 22:26.08 | PaulFertser | quatrox: when no application uses GSM resource, the muxer gets killed and the modem turned off. |
| 22:26.17 | PaulFertser | quatrox: look at the end of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus |
| 22:27.29 | quatrox | ahh... |
| 22:27.41 | PaulFertser | quatrox: or alternatively you can add "log_level = DEBUG" to the "[ogsmd]" section in /etc/frameworkd.conf. And provide a meaningful log_destination in "[frameworkd]". |
| 22:27.44 | quatrox | I misunderstood what the muxer does |
| 22:28.58 | PaulFertser | leavittx: did you ensure a good electrical contact with you sim cards? |
| 22:29.25 | PaulFertser | leavittx: Are you trying to use a modern SIM and you haven't upgraded GSM firmware? |
| 22:29.54 | leavittx | I use the latest OM release =)) |
| 22:30.01 | leavittx | 2008.12 |
| 22:30.13 | PaulFertser | leavittx: that doesn't say a thing about your GSM firmware. |
| 22:30.39 | quatrox | PaulFertser: on his answer, you can assume he did not update |
| 22:30.50 | leavittx | ok, how to update GSM firmware? |
| 22:31.57 | PaulFertser | leavittx: are you trying to use a modern card? Probably 3G-capable? |
| 22:32.12 | leavittx | I think, no |
| 22:32.35 | leavittx | I'm sure, no =)) |
| 22:32.40 | PaulFertser | leavittx: are you really sure you have a good electrical contact between the pins in card-holder and your card? |
| 22:33.45 | leavittx | ok, I'll check contact again more strictly =)) |
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| 22:33.51 | PaulFertser | leavittx: How to upgrade GSM firmware (but be warned, recovery from unsuccessful attempt is almost certainly possible but can be tricky): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 22:34.31 | leavittx | thanks for link =)) |
| 22:35.33 | quatrox | PaulFertser: http://om.quatrox.org/om/frameworkd.log |
| 22:35.44 | quatrox | I am not sure what to look for |
| 22:35.49 | leavittx | sorry for off (my) topic, but why can't I see usb0 iface in fdom? |
| 22:36.07 | PaulFertser | leavittx: it doesn't seem possible to brick your modem because of typos but "messing around with fluid" can result in the corruption of individual calibration data, that will render your modem useless. |
| 22:37.34 | PaulFertser | quatrox: are you sure that ogsmd is at DEBUG level? |
| 22:37.57 | quatrox | I rebooted the device just to be sure |
| 22:38.36 | quatrox | and |
| 22:38.39 | quatrox | root@om-gta02 /var/volatile/log $ tail -n1 frameworkd.log |
| 22:38.39 | quatrox | 2009.01.05 23:33:45 frameworkd.controller DEBUG alive and kicking |
| 22:40.42 | PaulFertser | quatrox: every part of frameworkd can have it's individual log level. But i see "ogsmd.modem.abstract DEBUG" in your log, so it should be debug, yes. What's sha1sum of `which gsm0710muxd`? |
| 22:42.11 | quatrox | I do not have SHA1 installed, but I take an md5sum now |
| 22:44.15 | PaulFertser | quatrox: d1905503740811c5bf72ecab3310330d /usr/local/bin/gsm0710muxd |
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| 22:44.39 | frankS2 | where does the contact list save it self? Need it for backup |
| 22:44.43 | frankS2 | and editing |
| 22:45.08 | quatrox | PaulFertser: thanks. I still wait for my phone to finish computing the checksum:) |
| 22:45.18 | PaulFertser | quatrox: wtf? ;) |
| 22:45.24 | elektranox | frankS2: if you are frameworkd users -> on SIM card |
| 22:45.25 | quatrox | yes |
| 22:45.49 | PaulFertser | quatrox: does top show anything strange? |
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| 22:46.18 | frankS2 | elektranox: no framework |
| 22:46.34 | quatrox | PaulFertser: 1171 root 10 -10 23084 11m 7252 S 17.2 9.6 2:38.60 enlightenment |
| 22:47.02 | quatrox | Cpu(s): 17.0%us, 2.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 80.7%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 22:47.03 | quatrox | hmm |
| 22:47.09 | quatrox | something strange here |
| 22:47.19 | PaulFertser | quatrox: switch to illume theme. Raster has no problems with it, it uses 0% CPU ;) |
| 22:47.35 | PaulFertser | quatrox: ls -l `which gsm0710muxd` |
| 22:47.54 | quatrox | ahh |
| 22:48.11 | quatrox | root@om-gta02 /var/volatile/log $ ls -l `which gsm0710muxd` |
| 22:48.11 | quatrox | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 93291 Jan 5 23:43 frameworkd.log |
| 22:48.11 | quatrox | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292 Jan 5 23:41 lastlog |
| 22:48.12 | quatrox | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3491 Jan 5 23:27 ophonekitd.log |
| 22:48.12 | quatrox | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 3456 Jan 5 23:41 wtmp |
| 22:48.30 | PaulFertser | quatrox: ls -dl `which gsm0710muxd` |
| 22:48.51 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.51 | quatrox | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 Jan 5 23:25 . |
| 22:49.25 | PaulFertser | quatrox: and finally :) which gsm0710muxd :) |
| 22:49.55 | quatrox | root@om-gta02 /var/volatile/log $ which gsm0710muxd |
| 22:49.55 | quatrox | root@om-gta02 /var/volatile/log $ |
| 22:49.57 | quatrox | lol |
| 22:50.20 | quatrox | i forgot chmod +x |
| 22:50.24 | quatrox | sorry |
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| 22:56.06 | quatrox | PaulFertser: patch accepted:) |
| 22:56.38 | quatrox | you are amazing |
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| 22:58.12 | quatrox | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ls -lsh 25c3-2997-en-locating_mobile_phones_using_ss7.ogg* |
| 22:58.12 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.12 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.12 | quatrox | still downloading |
| 22:58.23 | PaulFertser | quatrox: please tell that to Mickey and the SHR devs. It seems i lost all the respect after my "rude pushing" of FSO team members yesterday ;) |
| 22:59.19 | quatrox | I was never able to download more than 119.5k in fullspeed |
| 22:59.32 | quatrox | and now I have downloaded 1.5 M |
| 22:59.59 | quatrox | I hope this patch gets accepted |
| 23:00.28 | PaulFertser | quatrox: ok, i'll post the patch in an official way to the mailing list and state that you confirmed it worked for you. |
| 23:01.02 | quatrox | great:) |
| 23:01.09 | quatrox | I am still confirming:) |
| 23:01.19 | AntonTakk | 640/quit |
| 23:01.22 | AntonTakk | oops |
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| 23:03.25 | PaulFertser | quatrox: do you cycle in winter? |
| 23:03.39 | quatrox | yes |
| 23:03.47 | quatrox | sometimes |
| 23:03.57 | quatrox | now I walk |
| 23:04.16 | PaulFertser | quatrox: too cold? |
| 23:04.43 | quatrox | no... I have just been too lazy to change tires |
| 23:05.07 | mwester | snow tires for a bicycle? |
| 23:05.13 | quatrox | yes:) |
| 23:05.17 | mwester | hehe! |
| 23:06.05 | rwhitby | imagines chains on tyes on a bicycle ... |
| 23:06.23 | quatrox | PaulFertser: Still downloading |
| 23:06.23 | quatrox | Length: 20,652,305 [application/ogg] |
| 23:06.23 | quatrox | 18% [====> ] 3,768,554 5.78K/s ETA 47:30 |
| 23:07.08 | quatrox | I would say the patch works beautiful |
| 23:07.36 | PaulFertser | quatrox: Nokian WRX300 (or smth like that)? |
| 23:08.51 | quatrox | something like this: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.xxl.no/upload/Sykkelsport/Vintersyklister/Piggdekk-naert-400x200.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.xxl.no/templates/gotoartpage.aspx%3Fpageid%3D39573&usg=__EUs3CuBKbiy0rMjzXJHs8Sl9cz8=&h=200&w=400&sz=17&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=fp1lKqpO0OtgEM:&tbnh=62&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpiggdekk%2Bsykkel%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dopera%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DN |
| 23:10.23 | quatrox | sorry for long url. This was the one I should have posted: http://www.xxl.no/upload/Sykkelsport/Vintersyklister/Piggdekk-naert-400x200.jpg |
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| 23:13.20 | quatrox | PaulFertser: you removed all the fun |
| 23:13.22 | frankS2 | aha....... openmoko email reader do not support ssl? |
| 23:13.41 | frankS2 | Jan 6 00:11:09 om-gta02 user.notice root: QSslSocket: cannot call unresolved function SSLv3_client_method |
| 23:13.42 | quatrox | now it is not interesting to see if I am able to download anymore |
| 23:13.44 | frankS2 | Jan 6 00:11:09 om-gta02 user.notice root: QSslSocket: cannot call unresolved function SSL_CTX_new |
| 23:13.47 | frankS2 | Jan 6 00:11:09 om-gta02 user.notice root: QSslSocket: cannot call unresolved function ERR_get_error |
| 23:13.50 | frankS2 | Jan 6 00:11:09 om-gta02 user.notice root: QSslSocket: cannot call unresolved function ERR_error_strin |
| 23:15.27 | PaulFertser | quatrox: i tried to use some 100 screws for a DIY winter tire. It worked well on ice. But needs good isolation between the screw heads and the baloon. |
| 23:17.33 | quatrox | wow! why not just buy the tire? |
| 23:18.03 | quatrox | the screws must have been expensive:P |
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| 23:20.01 | CIA-7 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r33 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Makefile: add a pull before branch switching in case it's a new branch |
| 23:20.16 | PaulFertser | quatrox: i wasn't ready to pay about $100 or more for the tires. |
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| 23:20.53 | frankS2 | looooooool 1077 in inbox |
| 23:20.55 | frankS2 | mail |
| 23:21.02 | frankS2 | ill just watch openmoko snap |
| 23:21.31 | quatrox | PaulFertser: I understand! |
| 23:21.32 | quatrox | between, I thought I used Illume (I selected Illume-SHR) |
| 23:22.01 | PaulFertser | quatrox: you should use illume.edj theme. |
| 23:23.02 | PaulFertser | quatrox: there's one known issue with clock in SHR theme. And some bugs are still hiding there, it seems (i don't use SHR yet). |
| 23:23.49 | leavittx | why wi-fi menu was removed from 2008.12? |
| 23:23.59 | raster | it doesnt work? |
| 23:24.08 | Tig| | leavittx, did it work? |
| 23:24.42 | Tig| | 'nings and happy festive things raster |
| 23:25.14 | raster | tnx :) likewise |
| 23:25.16 | raster | :) |
| 23:25.18 | Tig| | :)# |
| 23:25.21 | Tig| | :) |
| 23:25.30 | leavittx | there is no wi-fi menu in 2008.12, right? |
| 23:25.34 | Tig| | apologies ignore the above, I have shaved |
| 23:25.52 | PaulFertser | quatrox: 26" Nokian Hakka WXC 300 |
| 23:26.05 | Tig| | leavittx, would this be in the settings? |
| 23:26.15 | frankS2 | leavittx: thats correct |
| 23:27.28 | leavittx | in 2008.8/9 there is this menu, yep? why was it removed? |
| 23:27.46 | frankS2 | i dont think it was removed on purpose :P |
| 23:27.52 | frankS2 | that would just be stupid |
| 23:28.45 | leavittx | but I'm sure that it is no wi-fi menu in settings in 2008.12 |
| 23:28.46 | Tig| | frankS2, erm unless it was the stub in the settings app |
| 23:29.22 | Tig| | which did not work, so it would be better not to raise peoples expectations |
| 23:30.42 | frankS2 | maybe |
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| 23:31.30 | quatrox | PaulFertser: haha |
| 23:31.42 | quatrox | well, I switched theme |
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| 23:32.09 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.09 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.05 | PaulFertser | quatrox: 1% as expected? great :) |
| 23:33.24 | quatrox | up to 2% |
| 23:33.34 | raster | depends whats going on |
| 23:33.38 | quatrox | the old one was at least 8% |
| 23:33.45 | raster | if your'e charging (+ thing blinking) u'll get some cpu from that |
| 23:33.58 | raster | otherwise e does poll bluetooth status every second |
| 23:34.17 | quatrox | connected to USB so it blinks + |
| 23:34.22 | raster | and it may otherwise be responding to signal change messages |
| 23:34.38 | raster | ythen that cpu is it drawing the blinking + |
| 23:34.40 | raster | for charging |
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| 23:34.54 | raster | when it stops charging u'll see cpu drop to pretty much 0 |
| 23:34.57 | quatrox | waste of battery |
| 23:35.05 | raster | not really |
| 23:35.08 | raster | its CHARGING |
| 23:35.12 | raster | no battery wasted |
| 23:35.14 | quatrox | I know |
| 23:35.40 | quatrox | waste of my money for the electric bill |
| 23:35.52 | quatrox | not sure I have enough now:P |
| 23:35.58 | raster | unlikely its even measurable |
| 23:36.00 | elektranox | xD |
| 23:36.25 | quatrox | the CPU draws full current anyway, right? |
| 23:36.33 | raster | if you can actually measure the power difference between somehting using 1-2% cpu |
| 23:36.40 | raster | and totally idle |
| 23:36.46 | Tig| | +1000 raster sainthood for turning the other cheek |
| 23:37.03 | raster | hahahahha |
| 23:37.09 | quatrox | hehe |
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| 23:37.59 | Tig| | blessed are the coders as they do get ambushed by the public |
| 23:38.07 | quatrox | raster: since the uC does not clock down, I would expect it to draw the same amount of power (except for any extra I/O) |
| 23:38.47 | raster | hehehee |
| 23:39.07 | raster | quatrox: in reality the backlight is probably chewing 30% or so of power - or more |
| 23:39.10 | raster | just sitting there |
| 23:39.19 | quatrox | nice |
| 23:39.37 | quatrox | lets look on the bright side of it |
| 23:39.38 | raster | wifi is probably eating a chunk just scanning/listening for traffic |
| 23:39.42 | raster | (and essid's) |
| 23:39.47 | raster | gsm is not light |
| 23:40.21 | raster | as such - in the scheme of things... using a few % cpu to give a user a sense that the device is alive and kicking and not hung.. is a damn good thing |
| 23:40.22 | raster | :) |
| 23:40.31 | quatrox | true |
| 23:40.45 | Tig| | yep or they pull the battery out their FR again |
| 23:40.59 | quatrox | raster: is e short for e 17? |
| 23:41.21 | Tig| | ooooooooooo raster on the spot here |
| 23:41.22 | quatrox | or for elementary? |
| 23:41.23 | PaulFertser | raster: i bet it'd take you less than 10 minutes to solve the performance problems with the SHR theme ;) |
| 23:41.33 | Tig| | e 16.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 23:42.36 | quatrox | raster: I bet it takes you less than 2 minutes to make mplayer play ogg vorbis files with 23% CPU usage |
| 23:42.56 | raster | quatrox: e is short for enlightenment - version is not specified :) |
| 23:43.05 | quatrox | ahh |
| 23:43.15 | quatrox | that was the next thing I would guess |
| 23:44.10 | raster | PaulFertser: it might - it might not. but i'm not being paid to do that - i am being paid to do other thngs and only have so much time in my day. i'm also on 32kbit internet and screw that if i'm downloading ANYTHING |
| 23:44.27 | raster | (it'd take > 10mins just to download an shr image) |
| 23:44.47 | frankS2 | what are you doing on a 32kbit line lol |
| 23:45.05 | quatrox | 32kb? |
| 23:45.08 | Tig| | presumably on the move |
| 23:45.09 | PaulFertser | raster: it was a joke :) And btw you probably don't need to download the whole image to get the theme. |
| 23:45.21 | quatrox | raster: upgrade to GPRS:) |
| 23:46.37 | raster | frankS2: waiting for my adsl to be hooked up again. |
| 23:47.06 | raster | PaulFertser: i likely want their version of efl etc. etc. |
| 23:47.17 | PaulFertser | quatrox: are those results with tremor? |
| 23:47.17 | raster | quatrox: no thanks. gprs is charged per kb in .au |
| 23:47.53 | quatrox | not per MB? |
| 23:48.08 | quatrox | sounds expensive |
| 23:48.12 | Tig| | raster, if you are now in .au then you should be down the beech and having a bbq :) |
| 23:48.14 | raster | i'm emphasising how expensive it is |
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| 23:49.36 | quatrox | hopes he can soon get fiber installed |
| 23:50.00 | Tig| | hopes he can get the pigeons to come back |
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| 23:50.47 | rZr | hi |
| 23:50.51 | Tig| | hi |
| 23:51.07 | rZr | none heard about om port to nokia tablets ? |
| 23:52.12 | raster | Tig|: no - working :) |
| 23:52.36 | Tig| | I have not heard of a port to the nokia tablets, I thought they used a different ARM chip but I am sure I will be corrected |
| 23:53.24 | Tig| | raster, doh! :) |
| 23:53.30 | quatrox | Tig|: raster must work so that we can relax |
| 23:53.31 | rZr | just tested android on his n770 |
| 23:53.31 | raster | just checked up - $1.65/mb for grps data on three (telco) |
| 23:53.51 | Wonka | whoa |
| 23:53.59 | raster | of course 3g data is $0.0068/mb |
| 23:54.12 | raster | (if you guy 7gb per month) |
| 23:54.13 | Tig| | raster, that three/hutchinson? |
| 23:54.18 | raster | yes |
| 23:54.27 | raster | its cheaper with exetel |
| 23:54.31 | raster | $0.40/mb |
| 23:54.40 | Wonka | i get 200mb for 10eur, and 0.5eur per mb after that |
| 23:54.45 | raster | but you get the idea |
| 23:54.49 | raster | ie |
| 23:54.52 | raster | "dont bother" |
| 23:54.52 | Tig| | ah yes same shit here, 15G £30 |
| 23:54.56 | Tig| | 3g |
| 23:55.00 | raster | i'm waiting for my adsl |
| 23:55.21 | Wonka | raster: why can thy do that, take so much more for gprs? |
| 23:55.25 | quatrox | has flat rate on $11.5 a month for GPRS, EDJE and UMTS |
| 23:55.45 | Wonka | other way round, why is 3g data so fucking expensive here? |
| 23:55.55 | Tig| | Wonka, different frequencies and infrastructure |
| 23:56.00 | Wonka | quatrox: EDGE. edje is something else :) |
| 23:56.12 | quatrox | sorry |
| 23:56.12 | Wonka | Tig|: here, there's no distinction, i think |
| 23:56.19 | quatrox | I misspelled |
| 23:56.30 | Tig| | 3g should be cheaper in theory for data |
| 23:56.55 | raster | Wonka: telcos dont want data on their 3g netowkrs |
| 23:57.03 | quatrox | Wonka: GPRS can be expensive because the GSM net is not designed for data transfer |
| 23:57.04 | raster | talk to a guy in operations for a mobile telco one day |
| 23:57.10 | raster | and ask why they are pushing 3g so much |
| 23:57.12 | Tig| | but it is all artifiicial charges by telcos# |
| 23:57.37 | raster | and why "2g is good enough" is just wrong - if you know what the telco knows |
| 23:57.42 | raster | 2g was not designed for data |
| 23:57.44 | raster | it can do it |
| 23:57.47 | raster | but it was not |
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| 23:57.52 | Tig| | raster they want data on the 3g kit |
| 23:57.56 | raster | 3g is more advanced |
| 23:58.01 | raster | yes |
| 23:58.14 | raster | their kit just isnt kitted out for vast volumes of data chewin g up the airwaves |
| 23:58.18 | raster | on 2g |
| 23:58.25 | raster | for 3g they are more prepared |
| 23:58.36 | raster | and thus they want you to use 3g for data - if you use data |
| 23:58.43 | raster | and so.. they price accordingly to encourage that |
| 23:58.44 | Tig| | awaits rasters coughing fit |
| 23:58.56 | quatrox | 3g was designed for data |
| 23:59.10 | Wonka | hrmf. on current SHR unstable, the settings application shows "unknown" for each of the settings... |
| 23:59.38 | quatrox | 2g was only designed for speech and data was something they managed to get through by hacking:) |
| 23:59.44 | Wonka | and trying to start a ppp session results in this: |
| 23:59.45 | Wonka | /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled |
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