IRC log for #openmoko on 20090103

00:00.27petaflotis going to sleep
00:06.24vininimwow, debian owns(except not very finger friendly)
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00:21.46Kamping_Kaiseris Debian for FR arm or armel?
00:23.34KenYoungKamping_Kaiser, What's armel?
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00:25.56Kamping_KaiserKenYoung, http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ 'another arm'. not sure specifically.
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00:29.05^wd^Kamping_Kaiser, armel
00:29.13Kamping_Kaiser^wd^, cheers.
00:30.44Tig|bloody hell
00:31.03Tig|I have just read the e-mail sent to announce from Sean MP
00:31.55Tig|and one thing was of interest
00:32.27Tig|Diversity,  so that is what that app is supposed to do,  I never managed to get it to do bugger all here
00:33.35KenYoungTig|, THey probably need to add three more zeros to their sales figures before what he is talking about will work.
00:34.11Tig|KenYoung,  and make connecting to said free wifi points a tad more reliable
00:34.40KenYoungTig|, You - hat's probably even more important.
00:35.04KenYoungOops "Yes - That's ..."
00:36.26Tig|KenYoung,   I think that he is also overestimating the number of free wifi points in areas that their customer bases are
00:37.49KenYoungTig|, Also, in the long run, free wifi will probably either become so pervasive as to be available in all heavily populated areas, or so rare as to not be worth travelling to.   The current density is unstable, I think.
00:38.21Tig|over in the UK we do have a load of free access points in certain pubs but they require you to sign in to their service with a free username and password which I doubt will work correctly on the FR as it is a bit iffy on my eee
00:39.17Tig|KenYoung, agreed,  it is a bit of an app looking for a situation that does not exist
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00:43.12chris_debianOk, I was stupid enough to buy a T-Mobile G1.  Can I install the Openmoko software on it?  It doesn't seem to be listed at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_devices
00:43.51KenYoungchris_debian, I'm equally stupid - I've got a G1 too.   I don't think anyone has ported OM to it yet.
00:44.13chris_debian:-(.  So much for an "Open" 'phone.
00:44.18Tig|chris_debian, I know it would have to be a recompile as they use different ARM versions
00:44.19mjrif you didn't buy the dev model, it's locked down
00:44.53chris_debianmjr- Hacks can get around this.  Maybe I should just eBay it and buy an OM.
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00:45.22mjrit's not a given, but likley
00:45.35KenYoungThe G1 apps are *amazingly* bad.   Perhaps the quality will improve when developers can charge for them, but right now I think a lot of the are "troll apps" - made available just to annoy people.
00:45.36chris_debianKen, do you know whether a port has been suggested?
00:45.41Tig|chris_debian,  I would love to see OM distros on the G1 as then I would buy one just so I had a hardware keyboard :)
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00:46.17chris_debianSeems like the G1 has a lot of apps that are a "taster", and not real GPL stuff.
00:46.27KenYoungchris_debian, I've heard not one peep about it, which is surprising considering the level of enthusiasm for porting Android to the Freerunner.
00:46.36chris_debian:-)
00:46.53chris_debianWonder whether it's worth mailing the list?
00:47.06KenYoungchris_debian, It's wise for taster apps to leave a good taste.
00:47.43chris_debianIndeed. I guess I got sucked into Google announcing that everything would be "open"
00:47.50Kamping_Kaiseri guess when anyone can buy a freerunner and its hackable, but you have to buy a special version of G1 to hack, it puts a damper on your day
00:48.03Kamping_Kaiserchris_debian, you got owned ;]
00:48.09chris_debianHi, KK.  Yup, I guess.
00:48.54Kamping_Kaiserchris_debian, hi mate. bl, btw
00:49.08KenYoungBut getting OM on a G1 would, at least potentially, get you a 3G OM phone.   But I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the info on the 3G API isn't available.
00:50.32chris_debianHmm...
00:50.51chris_debianKK- bl?
00:51.21Tig|I am assuming "bad luck"
00:51.42chris_debianTig| Probably right. Got to get some sleep, guys; catch you soon....
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00:51.50Tig|toodle pip
00:51.56chris_debian:-)
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00:52.57chris_debianLogging-off.
00:54.01Kamping_Kaiserbad luck.
00:54.05Kamping_Kaiseroh. :/ to late
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00:56.14kWDoes anybody know an openmoko paint program?
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01:03.06Kamping_Kaiserwonders how long until OM start shipping .sig files for the repos.
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01:04.16Tig|kW,  there used to be a GPE one so someone may have ported that over
01:04.36kWGPE?
01:04.55Tig|Gnome Personal/Palmtop Environment
01:05.04kWI see
01:05.05Tig|some of the GTK apps have ome from it
01:05.10Tig|like the file manager
01:05.21Tig|and a few others
01:05.38kWI'd like to implement graphical passwords as shown in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OGoJkL9EDA
01:09.07Tig|right bedtime for me,  night all
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01:30.08Slaxxer2008.12 seems to work great    unmodified
01:30.19Slaxxerwith no terminal
01:31.05Kamping_Kaisercant work out how to install one
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02:22.23Digital_PioneerOK, I just cannot figure out the blasted mixers and wiki page on volume... How do I turn up volume??
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02:26.42Digital_PioneerBleh, too many stupid volumes....
02:27.09Digital_PioneerThis phone has more volumes than my AVR.
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02:39.26frankS2flashing openmoko must be the most painfull story ever for me in computing
02:39.33frankS2just getting dfu-util is a pain
02:40.59Digital_PioneerfrankS2: Why? It was simple.
02:41.30SlaxxerPAIN
02:41.56Slaxxerfrank is having a learning time
02:42.10Slaxxeryay
02:42.44frankS2nah
02:42.47frankS2i run 64bit linux
02:42.55frankS2so first i have to create a damn 32bit chroot
02:48.36frankS2and where the hell is the aux button
02:49.05balrog-kundfu-util works just fine on 64-bits
02:49.28frankS2i got that working now balrog-kun
02:49.35frankS2now i have to turn into nan boot
02:49.39frankS2NOR
02:49.53balrog-kuni mean, without chroot or multilibs
02:50.21frankS2but what is the AUX button?
02:50.30frankS2i have a powerbutton and a huumm menu button
02:50.31balrog-kunit's the one with a led under
02:50.45balrog-kunit's the hmmm menu button
02:51.34balrog-kunit goes by various names, but anything that's not POWER button is the aux button :)
02:52.34frankS2hehe
02:52.41frankS2now i push and hold that
02:52.43frankS2release it?
02:52.46frankS2then hit power button?
02:52.48frankS2??? profit
02:54.53frankS2damn
02:54.54frankS2this sucks
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02:55.40frankS2balrog-kun: i have a question regarding to booting to NOR
02:55.47frankS2i do as the how-to says
02:55.50frankS2but nothing happens
02:56.01frankS2am i suppose to hold the AUX and POWER at the same time?
02:56.20balrog-kunfrankS2: i push it, the push power and hold until i see the backlight brighten
02:56.29balrog-kunthen rush to the keyboard and hit enter
02:56.33balrog-kunbefore it starts booting
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02:56.43frankS2uhm what keyboard?
02:56.46balrog-kunon the pc
02:57.49balrog-kuni think my freerunner doesn't have anything in nor.. or something.. it always bootes the smae way, with a 3 seconds delay and in the three seconds i can run DFU or connect with minicom
02:58.31frankS2it jsut turns of :(
02:59.03frankS2this is so weird
02:59.13frankS2#  Press and hold AUX button
02:59.13frankS2# Press the Power button until the boot menu comes up
02:59.16frankS2i do exactly that
02:59.21frankS2but no menu appears
02:59.32balrog-kunno boot menu on mine either
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02:59.50balrog-kunbut i guess i could configure it to display a boot menu
02:59.58frankS2how do you flash it then?
03:00.28balrog-kunrun dfu util really quickly as soon as i see the backlight come up
03:00.46frankS2when u boot it?
03:00.50balrog-kunonly has an early proto and doesn't know what the behaviour is supposed to be on normal hw
03:01.14balrog-kunyeah, just after it flashes the AUX button led for a moment
03:01.27balrog-kunthen the backlight starts fading in
03:01.28frankS2does it start up USB before that then?
03:01.46balrog-kunthat's about the 2nd second of the three second wait
03:02.00balrog-kunso i only got like one second to connect with DFU or terminal
03:02.11frankS2christ
03:02.14balrog-kunotherwise it starts to load linux
03:02.24balrog-kuni guess it's easy to change
03:02.37balrog-kunbut on the other hand i wouldn't want to wait too long if i just want to boot
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03:05.50frankS2any other ways to flash it? just take out the SD card would be easy..
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03:33.28Slaxxerwill there be more shr ?
03:33.51Slaxxer:?)
03:46.05Digital_PioneerHey, I'm getting complaints of bad echoing when I use speakerphone.
03:46.17Digital_PioneerI understand this is nothing new.... But has a fix been found?
03:46.41Digital_PioneerSearching the wiki is pointless; every other page has something about echo value > /sys/something
03:47.11Digital_PioneerAlso, the volume has GOT to go up!
03:47.36Digital_PioneerI can barely hear them, even when using speakerphone.
03:47.43Slaxxerwhich os?
03:48.02Digital_PioneerSHR
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03:48.52Slaxxermaybe when the next shr comes it will be fixed
03:50.31Slaxxerthe mic being directly between the speakers =fail
03:51.12Slaxxermaybe some sound proof tape is in order
03:51.12Digital_PioneerLOL
03:52.20Slaxxermaybe some silicone closed cell foam would work
03:53.01Digital_PioneerHow about some echo-cancelling software?
03:53.03Digital_Pioneer:P
03:53.15roolymaybe a little hardware noise-cancellation
03:53.32Slaxxeryea some of that
03:53.54roolybut in liu of that, some software noise cancellation
03:53.58roolylui
03:53.59roolylue
03:54.03rooly'loo'
03:54.06roolylew
03:54.10roolythat word
03:54.21Digital_PioneerHmm, lieu?
03:54.40Slaxxerlou
03:54.42Slaxxerlol
03:54.42Digital_PioneerYes. :) :P
03:54.44Digital_PioneerLieu
03:54.52roolyyeah
03:55.12Digital_PioneerYeah, I can't really do much to the hardware now.
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03:57.17Digital_PioneerSo it automatically swaps out the alsa configs (volumes) when you, say, accept a call or turn on the speakerphone?
03:57.39roolyshouldn't that be implemented already?
03:58.27Digital_PioneerI would assume... I'm just trying to figure this thing out.
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03:59.16dns53can someone help me configure uboot to allow for bigger kernels, i have not used a serial console before and kermit does not like what i am typeing
03:59.33Digital_Pioneerdns53: Use Qi?
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03:59.58dns53i could but i would prefer if i didn't have to
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04:00.10dns53i like the ability to multi boot of sd card
04:00.28Digital_PioneerThere's always NOR.
04:01.11dns53true but i'd like to try modifying it first
04:01.53Slaxxernot on the wiki?
04:01.53Digital_Pioneershrugs.
04:01.53Digital_PioneerI don't fool with uBoot internals. :)
04:02.01Digital_PioneerI tried the andy-tracking kernel, it didn't work.
04:02.08Digital_PioneerSo I went back to uBoot.
04:02.40dns53well i type what is on the wiki and kermit complains that it is not a valid command so kermit seems to be processing the commands instead of sending it to the opemnoko
04:11.40dns53ok it works in putty
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05:46.39Digital_PioneerSo does anyone know of any echo cancellation working yet?
05:47.20Digital_Pioneer"Working" being a flexible term. Making any noticeable difference, really.
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05:54.18mib_pl19vwHi
05:54.38mib_pl19vwDoes any body know how to use android's adb under ubuntu ??
05:55.08mib_pl19vwI am trying to install an android apk file on free runner which is running android
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05:56.00dns53not yet but i'll give it a try when mine boots
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07:04.35AntonTakkyay! got my contatcs app to display a (curently unusably basic) gui  :)
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07:41.30khaije1AntonTakk: website?
07:42.34AntonTakkkhaije1: none, atm, but tbh, there is nothing to really see yet, the ui curently consists of unlabeled colored boxes
07:43.25khaije1what stack are you using?
07:43.58AntonTakkintending to make it use fso once i get it able to do something usefull
07:44.32khaije1any particular lang, gui toolkit, or info-store ?
07:44.53AntonTakkc, efl, evolution data server
07:45.59khaije1i'm curious about trying some development on the freerunner myself... how did you find using the efl libs?
07:46.18AntonTakkamazingly easy, so far
07:47.33khaije1when i looked at it breifly i was a little confused by their evas concept, it seems like it decouples the gui from the application, almost like a appserver template
07:47.52khaije1did you have any encounter with this aspect of it?
07:47.56AntonTakki mean, i have never even used C before starting on this app, and just in the last few hours i have gone from using a demo edje file containing  single red square that closes the app to having 90% od the gui layout done in colored boxes
07:48.19AntonTakkyeah, part of what is making building the gui so fast
07:48.55AntonTakki don't have to recompile the app each time i add an element to the app, only have to rebuild the app when i actually make the app use the button/etc
07:49.20khaije1why did you choose to go with c ?
07:51.29AntonTakkfamiliarity, i have not used C, but i have done some stuff in c++. which makes it far more fmiliar than python for me
07:52.47khaije1ook, i am in the process of brushing up on python to play with OM, and so far efl looks like the best gui to use (though i havent looked much at the bindings yet)
07:53.23khaije1it seems like one of the biggest problems with the OM project atm is a lack of a common data store, do you have any opinion on that?
07:53.39AntonTakkbiggest problem is i haven't been able to get it to actually compile on the fr it's self, so i can't really guage my ui layout  :)
07:54.33khaije1what about cross-compiling into a package?
07:58.36AntonTakknot really sure how to do that  :)
07:59.06AntonTakkbut adjusting the gui will be easy anyways, and i won't have to recompile the app for it
07:59.17AntonTakkso i'm not to woried
08:08.00SargunSean Moss is so funny:
08:08.00SargunThis past year, I've had too much email and too much technology. More
08:08.00Sargunand more I find myself looking for natural, handmade things. At the same
08:08.00Sarguntime, though, I'm definitely not willing to give up my technology. I
08:08.00Sargunwant both a phone that is digital, but in a strange way also analog. I
08:08.01Sargunhope to build one next year. Let's see if we can get there!
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08:13.09DieMumieehm a wooden phone with an oled
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10:10.50walkiewhat to do if 2008.12 does not boot from sd with last message 'Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoc driver'?
10:12.13ronnythen you used a gta01 image for a gta02 phone?
10:13.32walkieno, i see this message in normally booting 2008.8, 2008.12 just stops in that point
10:15.17ronnyoh
10:15.22ronnyno idea then
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10:21.18walkiethe same happend with all testing images later than Nov 27, the Nov 27 boots ok from sd
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12:46.59SargunWhat's the events/0 bug caused by
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13:47.51feitingenhello
13:48.53feitingenSargun: what is event/0 really doing?
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13:49.19feitingenapart from eating cpu, that ia
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13:49.22Sargunhaha
13:49.25Sargunhandling interrupts?
13:50.49feitingenso, something causing a lot of interrupts will make event/0 eat cpu, right?
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13:57.20Sargunfeitingen, yes
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14:06.49feitingenSargun: so, since streaming stuff over wlan on the sdio bus which is on the glamo chip creates lots of interrupts, would using bluetooth or the usb generate the same amount of interrupts?
14:07.02SargunI have no idea
14:07.11SargunI stay at least 50 feet from hardware
14:07.16SargunI try 60
14:08.42feitingeni like some hardware, the glamo is not something i am fond of
14:09.12balrog-kunfeitingen: bluetooth is basically usb from the cpu's point of view
14:09.51balrog-kunfeitingen: and the usb uses ohci.. i think.. ohci generates one interrupt per packet (urb) so that may be less interrupts, but probably not a big difference
14:10.26CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r140708477068 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: kernel26: remove deprecated API in PowerSupply, add some new calls
14:10.27CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r713a0e2b626e 10/ (28 files in 5 dirs):
14:10.27CIA-7freesmartphone.org: Add the new module kobject patterns that wraps uevent and rtnetlink notifications.
14:10.27CIA-7freesmartphone.org: This will be used to substitute route some polling in pdp and other modules.
14:10.27CIA-7freesmartphone.org: NOTE: To assist netlink parsing, we include the cxutil and cxnet packages
14:10.29CIA-7freesmartphone.org: from python-connexion in the framework. For more details, see
14:10.31CIA-7freesmartphone.org: http://www.radlinux.org/connexion/wiki
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14:13.05feitingenbalrog-kun: so, is there any buses that uses less interrupts? i2c?
14:14.43balrog-kunfeitingen: hard to tell.. what kind of bandwidth do you need?
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14:15.29feitingenor is the problem that the interrupts should be handles in a less cpu intensive way..
14:16.35SpeedEvilThat's part of it
14:16.47SpeedEvilthe ohter part is that the glamo has a 7(?)Mb/s bus.
14:16.55SpeedEvilAbout the speed of a 16 bit ISA card.
14:16.59balrog-kunfeitingen: it's various factors.. probably best to base on statistics when comparing rather than the theory
14:17.11SpeedEvilAnd any data transfer to it locks up the CPU
14:17.18SpeedEvilTotally
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14:17.28balrog-kunfeitingen: the openmoko wlan driver should give you 300KB no problem
14:17.30SpeedEvilso read 1M/second from the SD, and you've used 13% of CPU
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14:17.50balrog-kunfeitingen: the USB should give you usb 1.1 speeds, i.e 12MB
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14:18.02balrog-kunor mbit.. i don't remember
14:18.06SpeedEvil(as the CPU spends 13% of its time getting the data, before any software stuff)
14:18.07SpeedEvilbit
14:18.08balrog-kuni think MB/s
14:18.21SpeedEvil1Mbyte that is
14:18.41feitingenso, using a bus directly connected to the cpu would be better, right?
14:18.42SpeedEvilusb1 is going really well to push out a meg.
14:18.50SpeedEvilfeitingen: yes
14:19.01SpeedEvilfeitingen: USB isn't in principle heavyweight
14:19.22balrog-kunfeitingen: yes, that's the theory
14:19.26SpeedEvilHere I would insert benchmark numbers from a test I've just run, but meh.
14:19.40SpeedEvilhas misplaced his neo1973.
14:19.44balrog-kunif you have a poorly written driver, it can make no difference
14:19.58feitingenwhat other buses can i access without breaking my device?
14:19.59SpeedEvilErr
14:20.09SpeedEvilIgnore that err.
14:20.23SpeedEvilfeitingen: what are you trying to do again?
14:21.27balrog-kunwhat range of speeds do you need?
14:21.28feitingenSpeedEvil: just thinking out loud.. and i am wondering what i can use to add functionality to my freerunner
14:21.40SpeedEvilfeitingen: there are I2C and SPI solderable points.
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14:21.53feitingenbalrog-kun: 1 or 2 Mbit would be enough
14:22.06SargunLook who I may have roped into getting a FR: http://forum.tryv6.com/showthread.php?p=15&posted=1#post15
14:22.13SpeedEvilfeitingen: are you trying to do fixed hardware extensions?
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14:23.02SargunUSB is safe.
14:23.59feitingenSpeedEvil: yes
14:24.14Sargunfeitingen, of what?
14:24.29SpeedEvilfeitingen: I wrote something on exactly this topic on the wiki.
14:24.37SpeedEvilUnfortunately, I think it's been moved
14:24.52SpeedEvilBasically, there are no good options at all.
14:24.55SpeedEvilThey all suck
14:25.24SpeedEvilUSB you can't connect to internally without desoldering the bluetooth module, which means removing the LCD, which is glued down.
14:25.39SpeedEvilOr an external wraparound plug
14:25.56SpeedEvilany means of getting power other than a battery shim is problematic.
14:26.16SpeedEvilThe only internal connector - the debug connector is a stupidly fine-pitch one.
14:26.29SpeedEvilAnd will be very costly to source.
14:26.37feitingeni think i can use the i2c if i can access it
14:26.46SpeedEvilSure, you can solder to it.
14:26.58SpeedEvilThat's not a functional product though.
14:27.06SpeedEviland IIRC it will only go to 150kbits/sec
14:28.18SpeedEvilSPI may be available too, I forget. Search the wiki for I2C
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14:28.47feitingenso, hardware hackers are not very catered for
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14:31.57feitingendisregard that, it is just that software people have an easier job on this it seems
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14:34.38SpeedEvilNot quite.
14:34.47SpeedEvilHardware hackers are very catered for.
14:35.01SpeedEvilThere are documented test-points, solder-points, even a debug connector.
14:35.07SpeedEvilSchematics!
14:35.33Sargunthey have open sources schematics
14:35.42SpeedEvilBut.
14:35.43feitingenbut the gumstix are slightly easier
14:36.03Sargunfeitingen, but the gumstix don't have 800 other features that the FR does
14:36.13SpeedEvilThe hardware sucks from the standpoint of hardware expansion in products that can be easily attached by the user.
14:36.19feitingenbut there is no other cellphone a open as this
14:37.08Sarguntrue dat.
14:37.27SargunSpeedEvil, doesn't the debug board do I2c?
14:37.27SpeedEvilNot quite.
14:37.31SpeedEvilSargun: yes.
14:37.44SargunSpeedEvil, what cell phone is more open?
14:37.48SpeedEvilSargun: but to make a hardware add-on, you need to use the debug connector
14:37.56Sargunyeah, just use the debug connector
14:37.59SpeedEvilSargun: the sparkfun 'rotary phone' one IIRC.
14:38.09SpeedEvilSargun: however, that isn't meaningful really.
14:38.18SpeedEvilthe debug connector is great for hacking.
14:38.53SpeedEvilIt's very bad for a easy product.
14:38.53SpeedEvilFor that, you really want USB somehow.
14:38.53feitingenSargun: there is also a phone based on the gumstix
14:38.53evoluxwifi on my freerunner, FSO, does not work reliably, connections to my AP often fail. is there some solution?
14:39.03SargunSpeedEvil, it's not that open.
14:39.04SpeedEvilAnd the connector is damn near impossible to source, and very fragile too.
14:39.19SargunSpeedEvil, does it run linux?
14:39.43SpeedEvilSargun: No. IIRC it's a rotary phone, a AVR micro, and a GSM module, and a battery
14:40.05SpeedEvilSargun: but it's got no closed firmware at all other than the GSM. Hence is more open.
14:40.08SpeedEvil:)
14:40.08Sargunyeah, I know, I just kinda wanted to be an asshole.
14:40.16evoluxis there a good wifi gui?
14:40.18SpeedEvilAdmittedly, it's not actually very useful.
14:40.30SargunSpeedEvil, wait, the FR's software is open other than the GSM firmware
14:40.52SpeedEvilSargun: and the GPS firmware
14:40.57SpeedEvilSargun: and the bluetooth firmware
14:40.58SargunSpeedEvil, ok, two things.
14:41.03SpeedEvilSargun: and the glamo
14:41.05Sargunyou don't have to use bluetooth.
14:41.11SargunSpeedEvil, glamo doesn't use firmware.
14:41.15Sargunor er, yeah
14:41.16Sargunnevermind
14:41.18Sargunscrew you.
14:41.40SargunI mean, if you used all the same features that were in the port-o-rotary, you'd be equally open
14:41.40feitingenhehe
14:42.02Sargunor closed rather ;-)
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14:44.31SpeedEvilIn other news - more importantly - http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27836?utm_source=onion_rss_daily
14:45.28Sargunhttp://people.openmoko.org/roh/pic/2/thumb/SANY0001.JPG
14:45.29Sargunooh
14:45.47SargunThe white Freerunner. it lives.
14:45.48CVirussweet
14:45.56CViruswho did that ?
14:46.25SargunI don't know, I was crawling around on OM's server
14:46.27Sargunand I found that
14:46.28SpeedEvilWasn't that the very earliest preproduction ones?
14:46.30CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rebb4ade5e6f4 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): odeviced: kernel26: Use common KObjectDispatcher
14:46.31SargunI blame a user named "roh"
14:46.41Sargunhttp://people.openmoko.org/roh/pic/2/thumb/SANY0013.JPG
14:46.45SpeedEvilthere was white/orange, and one or two all whites
14:47.13CVirusthat's a neo1973
14:47.16CVirusnot a freerunner
14:47.23SargunCVirus, I recently figured that out
14:47.28Sargunthe cases are compatible IIRC
14:47.39CVirusNeo1973 looked cooler
14:47.54Sargunfeitingen, you could pull I2C, SPI, or serial out of the FR.
14:49.29feitingenSargun: what bandwidtht would i get?
14:50.00feitingennevermind, google is my friend
14:52.05CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1e152891148b 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: kernel26: fix parameters in KObjectDispatcher callback
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15:03.27mortenlysgaardHi. When i want to flash the new bootloader for the Om2008.12, wich one should i use?
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15:04.52feitingenmortenlysgaard: you probably dont need to, your current bootloader will most likely boot it ust fine
15:05.15feitingeni havent upgraded my bootloader in 6 months
15:05.24mortenlysgaardAre there any reason to upgrade it?
15:06.17feitingenonly if you want qi, and that bootloader should go in NAND, i have never touched my NOR bootloader, and it boots everything i have put on my phone
15:06.55feitingenso, i would say no to that unless you want to use Qi instead of u-boot
15:06.55mortenlysgaardOkay, thanks
15:07.15mortenlysgaardNo way, heard it's way to unstable
15:07.46feitingenand it only boots from the sd
15:08.31feitingenbut i heard it is way faster than u-boot.. i will try it the next time i flashes the phone
15:09.03mortenlysgaardHm.. Maybe me to, but only if it's stable
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15:11.40ShleeCan the android build send recieve calls/sms?
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15:21.36balrog-kunShlee: it can call and receive calls, yes
15:22.00balrog-kuni hear there's some issues with sms on one side though (don't remember whether that was sending or receiving)
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15:24.29lindi-does someboy remember if the nor uboot on freerunner can charge from wall charger? is there a way to see battery capacity?
15:24.47lindi-s/boy/body/
15:28.38soltyslindi-: it can from USB, never tested wall charger
15:29.13mortenlysgaardIs there something new with usb networking on 2008.12, i can't seem to get a connection
15:29.46lindi-soltys: is there some version of uboot that can show battery capacity?
15:29.52lindi-# neo1973 charger fast
15:29.52lindi-not implemented yet
15:30.03lindi-nor uboot does not seem to support freerunner specific stuff
15:31.01lindi-mortenlysgaard: is usb0 up on both sides?
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15:31.29mortenlysgaardI don't know on the frerunner, it doesn't have a terminal
15:31.39lindi-mortenlysgaard: picocom /dev/ttyACM0
15:31.43lindi-mortenlysgaard: works here
15:32.11lindi-mortenlysgaard: ah, wrong person :P
15:32.25lindi-mortenlysgaard: can't do much develoment with a distro without terminal :)
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15:33.11mortenlysgaardlindi-; No, i know, but i've newer had a problem to connect with it before, even without any terminal
15:33.21lindi-soltys: i'd like to know if this is charging or really only "play_only" as 'neo1973 charger status' says
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15:35.48feitingenmortenlysgaard: to get a connection you must reboot it after the first boot
15:35.55feitingensounds weird, but works
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15:38.00mortenlysgaardfeitingen; Ja, fant ut det ;)
15:38.10mortenlysgaardfeitingen; Det virker nå
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15:41.14soltyslindi-: dont know how to check... i just plug it to USB and boot ;)
15:41.49lindi-soltys: hmm
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16:17.50PBeckahoi
16:18.31feitingenhi :)
16:21.44feitingeni forget, where was expos fetching its modules?
16:22.10feitingeni need to edit the bluetooth on/off thing
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16:22.55orzohi
16:22.59orzoim trying to use a bluetooth keyboard
16:23.02orzoi've never used one before
16:23.10orzoi follwed the instructions on teh wiki
16:23.12feitingenwhenever i turn on bluetooth i have to restart the bluetooth daemon, so i thought the settings gui should do it
16:23.19orzoand the keyboard somewhat works, but a lot of buttons dont work
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16:23.32feitingenorzo:  i am using one now on the moko ;)
16:23.34orzofor exapmle, the letter E consistently doesnt show when i press it
16:23.58feitingenorzo: what keyboard?
16:23.59orzowell i'm wondering if i have a defective keyboard or if theres something that could go wrong and cause this
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16:24.22orzoXema Bluetooth keybard, aka BT600, aka Freedom keyboard
16:24.26balrog-kunEs aro usoloss anyway
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16:25.03feitingentry to start xev and see if it registers something when you press it, i had to make a xmodmap file for my keyboard
16:25.13orzowell
16:25.17orzoi'm just looking at the console now
16:25.19orzonot x
16:25.22orzoit didnt work in x
16:25.25orzobut it semi works in the console
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16:25.42orzomany of the keys work, but some dont
16:25.45feitingenyou used hidd right?
16:25.48orzoyes
16:26.01orzoif some keys work, they all should, right?
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16:26.14orzoi mean i cant login because i have to type an e
16:26.37feitingenwell, some bluetooth keyboards have weird keymaps and need modification
16:26.42orzooh
16:26.49orzook
16:26.52orzowell then
16:27.14orzoshould i set it up for X and nevermind the console?
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16:27.47feitingenthat was what i did
16:28.28Ko_deZHi. I just changed the root password on my freerunner, and ssh stopped working. Any way to get it back? I tried resetting the password to no avail.
16:28.56orzoi suppose i need to add it in xorg.conf
16:29.08orzoi'm using debian heh
16:31.42feitingeni added a line in /etc/X11/Xsession, with debian, tilde/.Xmodmap should work
16:32.12brian__intrestring   comments
16:34.55mortenlysgaardAnyone knows what's the laste news/fix on the echo issue? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267
16:35.12orzowhat do i put in xorg.conf?
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16:35.19orzofor the keyboard
16:35.21orzoit has no entry
16:36.58brian__Sean answers some questions by the community
16:37.23brian__i had to scroll down manually
16:38.50feitingenorzo, there should not be anything there about the keyboard
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16:42.42orzofeitingen: i see a cached gentoo wiki page showing a InputDevice section using driver evdev for a bluetooth keyboard
16:44.02feitingenorzo: that may work for you, but i didnt touch my xorg.conf
16:44.29orzodoes your xorg.conf have anything for a keyboard?
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16:55.06feitingenorzo: i cant see that i have any xorg.conf file, i am still on the 2008.12
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16:56.27sylar91hi, I released the first version of ecalc -> opkg install http://sylar-stuff.googlecode.com/files/ecalc_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
16:57.44evoluxmortenlysgaard: afaik i don't have any echo anymore
16:58.07feitingensylar91: wow, thanks!
16:58.21evoluxmortenlysgaard: i'm using a patched fso
16:58.33sylar91feitingen: feedbacks? :)
16:59.03feitingenas soon as i have installed it ;)
16:59.36sylar91faitingen: ah ok, I thought you have already done the installation :)
17:00.22orzohm
17:00.28orzo(EE) Bluetooth Keyboard: cannot open input pEvdev
17:02.28feitingensylar91: edje.c_edje.EdjeLoadError: Does not exist (file='main.edj', group='main')
17:02.48evoluxby the way, how far is the wikipedia-on-freerunner project?
17:02.51mortenlysgaardevolux; Where did you get that patched wersion
17:03.00evoluxmortenlysgaard: hm, let me see
17:03.09sylar91feitingen: you have to "cd /usr/share" before to run ecalc
17:03.10evoluxi had wikipedia running on FDOM
17:03.50sylar91feitingen: sorry but I haven't included a .desktop file to do this automatically so you have to create one yourself
17:04.05sylar91feitingen: now it runs?
17:04.43evoluxmortenlysgaard: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1486414
17:04.53evoluxmortenlysgaard: search for N0187
17:04.54sylar91sorry, cd /usr/bin
17:05.38mortenlysgaardAh, stupid i don't have fso
17:06.06mortenlysgaard=(
17:06.17evoluxmortenlysgaard: what do you have?
17:06.29mortenlysgaardOm2008.12
17:06.34feitingensylar91: that is a pretty cool calculator app :D
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17:07.18sylar91feitingen: thanks!
17:07.54evoluxmortenlysgaard: ok, then you cannot use that, sorry
17:08.53mortenlysgaardevolux; How's fso working for you now, stable?
17:09.32mortenlysgaardfeitingen; Hvilken blåtannthumbpad er det du bruker?
17:09.42evoluxmortenlysgaard: it's the best distro i had
17:09.52evoluxmortenlysgaard: though i didn't try 2008.12 but only fdom
17:10.07evoluxmortenlysgaard: it's fast and quite stable and suspend  works
17:10.28mortenlysgaardevolux; Do you use it as a phone?
17:10.33evoluxmortenlysgaard: but the pim software is limited to sim-card features
17:10.43evoluxsometimes i miss some smses
17:11.05evoluxbut it even wakes up for a call and that also fast enough
17:11.10mortenlysgaardevolux; Yeah, i had that problem too, and i couldn't see any call log
17:11.24evoluxah yeah, fso does not have a call log
17:11.31evoluxat least i think
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17:12.58feitingenfso is still very primitive, but i hope they catch up :)
17:13.39mortenlysgaardIt will, qt is just a temorary thing, untill we've got something better
17:13.47evoluxsometimes it is better to be primitve than bloated and slow ;-)
17:14.27evoluxby the way, is anybody interested in a usable offline wikipedia?
17:14.29feitingenfso seems to be very slow for me, but so does qt
17:14.54feitingenunless i use qt outside of x, but that is out of the question
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17:15.17feitingenmortenlysgaard: i use the targus ACB31UK
17:15.49feitingenand sometimes an apple keyboard
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17:19.45mortenlysgaardfeitingen; Ikke dumt
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17:26.05quatrox1I had an outgoing call and got an incomming which I rejected. The GUI showed that an outgoing call was active also after the other end hung up. I lost my GPRS link also. There was no way to exit the GUI that showed an active outgoing call. I use SHR. Is this a known bug?
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18:12.34zogg_how to restore gsmhandstate.state ?
18:14.00jonsmith1982alsactl -f gsmhandstate.state restore ?
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18:16.20brian__yea
18:16.33brian__or yay
18:16.38zogg_yay
18:17.05brian__too many settings
18:17.39brian__nobody taken the time to edit alsa?
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18:24.32Slaxxersettings all necessary?
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19:35.09vininimdoes hackable:1 has the same sd corruption problem that debian has?
19:36.21^wd^what problem has debian?
19:38.38vininimno suspend it corrupts the partition table
19:38.46vininim*on
19:41.28vininimsuspend for long times that is, because it was working ok yesterday
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19:42.59xqoHello, I am looking to make some buttons that i can push with the pen, i want the buttons to send keystrokes when pushed but i don't know how to do this; how do you simulate keystrokes on the openmoko (or in linux)? Preferably using Python
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19:45.59feitingenxqo: i have vague memories of evdev being able to do that..
19:46.51Defiant-matchbox-keyboard is using libfakekeystroke or something
19:47.14Defiant-libfakekey
19:47.24cjbthere's also the XTest extension
19:47.38cjb(which might be being wrapped by libfakekey, I guess)
19:47.45xqocewl, thanks!
19:48.08xqoalso, my settings-shortcut disappeared from the Home-menu (FSO 2008.12), how can i bring it back?
19:48.26Defiant-might be. qwo is using xtest directly
19:50.15feitingenxqo: the exposure.py settings thing?
19:51.31xqowhat is that, feitingen?
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19:53.03feitingenthe settings gui thing with gray text on black background, turns bluetooth and gps on and off
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19:54.21xqowhere is it?
19:54.49feitingenusually on the desktop
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19:55.30feitingen/s/desktop/home menu
19:56.39xqooh yes
19:56.42xqothats the thing that disappeared
19:57.03xqoI want the button back
19:57.07xqothe shortcut
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19:57.49feitingentry opening a terminal and run exposyre.py
19:57.55feitingento see if it still there
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19:59.27xqoyeah, that worked
19:59.27xqowhich exposure.py returns /usr/bin/exposure.py
19:59.43xqoPerhaps i removed the shortcut when i was deleting all the games-shortcuts i asked about the other day.. :-R
20:00.06feitingenmaybe
20:00.18xqoso, how do you make shortcuts? :-R
20:00.21feitingenill post you the .desktop in a sec
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20:00.36xqoawesome, thanks a bunch!
20:00.43feitingenjust edit a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/
20:04.14feitingenjust add this in /usr/share/applications/exposure.desktop
20:04.17feitingenhttp://pastebin.com/m2936edac
20:05.57xqothanks a bunch!
20:06.46feitingennp, happy to help
20:07.23xqois there a list of Categories?
20:07.34xqoas in Categories=Settings;
20:08.21xqoalso, what does TryExec, Terminal and StartupNotify do?
20:08.33xqolearning how to write these sure would be cewl
20:09.08feitingenterminal is "start in a terminal"
20:09.09feitingenstartupnotify is the loading screen you see when you run stuff
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20:10.02feitingeni dont know about tryexec, and i think you can use whatever category you want
20:10.43xqoalright, thanks again!
20:11.16feitingeni'd look at some other apps and use some of their categories, but i think anything goes
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20:25.25xqoIs env broken? i get a not found when i add #!/usr/bin/python to the beginning of my programs
20:25.58xqowait, not env; but what is wrong?
20:26.42lindi-xqo: ls -l /usr/bin/python?
20:27.18xqo-rwxr-xr-x
20:27.29lindi-xqo: /usr/bin/python?
20:27.46xqobrings up python
20:27.47feitingenxqo: i saw #!<something>env python on most of the .py files, ill check on my phone, just rebooted, 2 sec
20:28.21Defiant-rebooting and only waiting 2 seconds? rofl
20:28.43lindi-xqo: whta exactly gives you the error message and what errors is it?
20:29.06mjrhow about an extra non-visible character such as cr there on the first line?
20:29.21lindi-was going to guess the same btw :)
20:29.35xqoroot@om-gta02:~# ./gtk_work.py
20:29.35xqo-sh: ./gtk_work.py: not found
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20:30.07xqofirst line of gtk_work.py is #!/usr/bin/python
20:30.47lindi-xqo: "strace -o s -f -s256 ./gtk_work.py" please and put the file "s" online somewhere
20:31.42xqoroot@om-gta02:~# strace -o s -f -s256 ./gtk_work.py
20:31.42xqostrace: exec: No such file or directory
20:31.59lindi-xqo: better install strace first
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20:32.30xqostrace is in /usr/bin/strace
20:32.57xqoroot@om-gta02:~# opkg install strace
20:32.58xqoPackage strace (4.5.15-r0) installed in root is up to date.
20:33.12Defiant-lol?
20:33.27lindi-xqo: is there anything in file s?
20:33.53xqooh, yes there is
20:34.04lindi-xqo: and what shell is that?
20:34.05xqoshall i pastebin it for you?
20:34.36xqohow do i check?
20:35.05xqothere it is*
20:35.27lindi-xqo: the command "help" is usually a builtin that tells it
20:36.00lindi-does somebody else know a more reliable way to detect shell version?
20:36.00xqo-sh: help: not found
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20:36.39lindi-mjr: any ideas? my busybox sh supports "help" builtin so xqo must have something else?
20:37.31Tig|erm they python script does have the executable flag set,  sorry only joined half way through
20:38.17xqoroot@om-gta02:~# ls -l ./gtk_work.py
20:38.17xqo-rwxrwxrwx    1 root     root          656 Jan  2 20:57 ./gtk_work.py
20:38.32lindi-Tig|: what made you think so?
20:38.50Defiant-xqo: but you can execute python gtk_work.py?
20:39.27lindi-xqo: contents of "s" would still be useful
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20:40.08Tig|ah,  lindi- just thought I would check the obvious,  I have jumped in at the deep end before only to realise it was something simple   :)
20:40.50xqoyes Defiant-, that python gtk_work.py works
20:40.56lindi-Tig|: i'd help if xqo knew what shell he is using since different shells have different error messages
20:41.00lindi-s/i/it/
20:41.07lindi-sigh, apt
20:41.24Tig|hahaha
20:41.40xqolindi-: http://pastebin.com/m4f2cc2cb
20:41.45Defiant-then I would also guess extra character in she-bang
20:42.57lindi-xqo: hmm
20:43.59lindi-yes, kernel does the lookup so strace does not show the wrong path
20:44.10lindi-xqo: head -n1 gtk_work.py | cat -A
20:44.53xqocat: invalid option -- A
20:45.30Defiant-rofl
20:45.32Defiant-xqo: do you habe hexdump?
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20:45.55lindi-xqo: get a gnu cat :)
20:45.55xqoi think so, which hexdump returns /usr/bin/hexdump
20:46.09Defiant-xqo: or just try rewriting the shebang
20:46.10sicuxqo: about the categories in .desktop files; anything does not go, some categories will cause the icon to disappear from the desktop/phonetop
20:46.12xqolindi-, i am using what comes with 2008.12
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20:46.52lindi-xqo: i have not managed to compile 2008.12 so i can't test it
20:47.02lindi-xqo: you better know it :)
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20:47.13xqoDefiant-: The shebang?
20:47.35Defiant-xqo: the /usr/bin/python line - remove it and write it again
20:47.45xqosicu: thanks! Can i find a list of categories, or more help with .desktop?
20:48.22xqostill didnt work, Defiant-
20:48.35lindi-xqo: what does it print?
20:48.54xqo-sh: ./gtk_work.py: not found
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20:49.09lindi-xqo: head -n1 gtk_work.py | hexdump -C
20:49.52xqoroot@om-gta02:~# head -n1 gtk_work.py | hexdump -C
20:49.52xqo00000000  23 21 2f 75 73 72 2f 62  69 6e 2f 70 79 74 68 6f  |#!/usr/bin/pytho|
20:49.52xqo00000010  6e 0d 0a                                          |n..|
20:49.52xqo00000013
20:50.02Defiant-0d
20:50.42Defiant-xqo: your editor is writing a \r\n
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20:51.47Defiant-xqo: you see that?
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20:51.57xqoyes, 0d 0a
20:52.24xqobut it is after the n
20:52.42xqoshould it only be \n?
20:52.43Defiant-0xd = \r 0xa = \n
20:52.44Defiant-yes
20:52.46Defiant-try to set your editor to unix newline
20:53.14xqohow do i do that with nano?
20:53.37Defiant-<--vim user
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20:53.55xqothanks alot for the help everyone
20:54.50Defiant-but I never heard of nano doing that
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20:56.03Panderhi all, how does one disable predictive mode for the illume keyboard
20:56.06lindi-Defiant-: nano will preserve \r\n
20:56.09Tig|something handy for this kind of stuff is the dos2unix tool
20:56.21lindi-xqo: have you always edited it with nano or did you start with some other tool?
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20:56.51Defiant-Tig|: tr should be enough, right?
20:57.05xqoI probably edited it on windows with IDLE (a python editor) before using nano.
20:57.54lindi-xqo: windows uses \r\n to separate lines
20:57.54xqothats it then?
20:58.02Defiant-yes
20:58.06xqookidoki
20:58.11xqothanks! :-R
20:58.17lindi-xqo: using only \n is the standard in *nix systems
20:58.52xqoaha
20:59.05xqowell if nano preserves them, how can i remove the \r easily?
20:59.13Tig|Defiant-: yes you can do it with tr but it would require me remembering the syntax on the rare occasions that I use it :)
20:59.24Defiant-Tig|: ;)
20:59.50mjrtr -d \\r or something
20:59.53feitingenxqo: when you hit ^o to save, you should see some options
21:00.06edjeDefiant-: or  | sed 's/$/^M/'
21:00.16xqooh yes, thanks you feitingen!
21:00.19xqothank*
21:01.39xqo:D
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21:03.40quatrox1xqo: dos2unix my_file.py
21:04.45xqoi dont have dos2unix, quatrox1. However rewriting and re-saving it without dos-mode in nano fixed it. thanks anyway
21:08.04Panderanyone on the disabling of keyboard prediction in illume terminal keybaord? ...
21:08.27feitingenuse terminal keyboard?
21:09.01xqojoins Pander and wonders aswell
21:09.12feitingenwait, is there prediction in that?
21:09.43quatrox1<PROTECTED>
21:10.04quatrox1select Terminal
21:10.52xqoit should be possible to remove the prediction on the normal keyboard aswell, and the layout-selection button is sometimes not there
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21:20.35xqops aux
21:20.38xqooops
21:21.03SpeedEvil634 firefox all of it.
21:22.54xqotoo bad chrome is not yet released for linux
21:22.54xqoit really is fantastic
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21:26.11Defiant-I'm not sure if I want to run an unpatched chrome
21:26.53xqowhat do you mean? the new patch removed everything i found annoying, including fixing the terms of service
21:27.17feitingenis it just me or is the quality of the audio on the headset for the freerunner total crap and only on one ear?
21:27.33Defiant-feitingen: yes its use. its crap on both
21:28.02Defiant-xqo: I've heard a lot about chrome contacting google
21:28.44xqooh?
21:28.51xqogot any links?
21:28.54xqo:-|
21:29.37vininimwhere does battery life enter in Diversity scenario? =X
21:29.41daMaestroi don't doubt it
21:29.47daMaestrochrome == google
21:30.12Defiant-xqo: search in google for it :)
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21:36.23der-lehmannnice talk pierre on 25c3!
21:36.39Defiant-what topic was it?
21:41.50rwhitbyare there any slides or videos online from 25c3?
21:42.43Defiant-in the work
21:42.59Defiant-one moment
21:44.14Defiant-rwhitby: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/wiki/Conference_Recordings
21:53.01xqowho is pierre? :-R
21:56.49der-lehmanndownload this one http://mirror.core.im/video/25c3/video_h264_720x576/25c3-3048-en-lightning_talks_day2.mp4.torrent
21:58.12der-lehmannand skip to 42:00
22:00.20rwhitbyDefiant-: awesome, thanks.
22:00.32rwhitbyare they all up, or is it still in progress?
22:00.40rwhitbye.g. is http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/congress/25C3/video_h264_iPod/ everything?
22:00.45ixsnope
22:00.48ixssome are still missing
22:01.59der-lehmannbut better than last year!
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22:02.20Defiant-...for 22c3 they needed 8 month
22:03.14ixsDefiant-: yeah, but that's been ages ago and since then lots and lots changed
22:03.23Defiant-:)
22:03.50Defiant-I think it was broken digital equipment on 22c3 or something
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22:12.16ixsDefiant-: broken equipment, combined with verpeilheit and other personal problems
22:12.46Defiant-the usual :)
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23:44.12frankS2http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/ uuhmm where is the "splash image file"?
23:44.48^wd^just no new splash
23:45.09frankS2ok so i have to choose from another directory?
23:45.46^wd^u dont need to update splash :)
23:45.53^wd^u can use any
23:46.11^wd^draws self one
23:46.23frankS2^wd^: ok.... but i am going to flash my openmoko
23:46.32frankS2will it diseppear then?
23:46.34frankS2and not but?
23:46.37frankS2or just not show a boot img
23:46.57frankS2gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   ... is this one good for using as u-boot?
23:47.01frankS2or should i choose another one?
23:47.06f4l3I have seen that 2008.12 had been released. the next will be 2009.1 or something like 2009.4?
23:47.32^wd^uboot use splash from spalsh-partition of nand
23:48.07^wd^u'll see old image :)
23:48.16frankS2ok thanks mate
23:48.16frankS2but
23:48.18frankS2gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin   ... is this one good for using as u-boot?
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23:48.58^wd^if u will flash it on gta02v5_and_up as u-boot
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23:49.55frankS2ok
23:50.06frankS2http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/
23:50.09frankS2i am using these files
23:50.12frankS2so then i should yes?
23:50.31frankS2Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin using this
23:50.37frankS2and Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz this
23:51.05^wd^just uImage and rootfs u need
23:51.29^wd^and u cat update uboot if u want (or need) it
23:51.37xqofrankS2, make sure you unpack the .tar.gz first. you it is the .jffs2 that is used
23:51.43xqo-you*
23:51.53^wd^if u flash nand - use jffs2 instead
23:52.07frankS2omg
23:52.12frankS2i started it without unpacking :(
23:52.18frankS2should i hit ctrl+c?
23:52.20frankS2its downloading yet
23:52.51^wd^dfu-util?
23:53.02frankS2yes
23:53.06^wd^yeah
23:53.12^wd^hit
23:53.30frankS2uhm im unpacking now.. all kinds of files come out
23:53.41frankS2not just a single .jfs
23:53.45^wd^and flash .jffs2 on roofs
23:53.58^wd^oh
23:54.13^wd^just flash http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs.jffs2 on rootfs
23:54.25^wd^and http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/Om2008.9-gta02-20081106.uImage.bin on луктуд
23:54.31^wd^on kernel
23:54.35frankS2ok
23:57.03frankS2thanks ^wd^ you have been to great help
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23:58.12^wd^then i'll take some beer more

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