| 00:00.11 | Tig| | the idea being comparing like for like |
| 00:00.33 | jonkristian | Yeah, i know somebody, but right now it won't do much good, it's too late. |
| 00:00.43 | Tig| | ah yes |
| 00:00.45 | Tig| | erm |
| 00:00.57 | jonkristian | But i will try that when i get the chance |
| 00:01.02 | Tig| | right with the wifi problem I think that is the next step |
| 00:01.11 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 00:01.12 | Tig| | but we will get it working :) |
| 00:01.34 | jonkristian | I hope so:) btw, i can ssh into the fr when it's connected |
| 00:01.56 | jonkristian | i turned off the ssh blocking last night, and it worked from my laptop to the phone |
| 00:02.15 | Tig| | I am damn sure it is your router |
| 00:02.25 | Tig| | but we need to know why :) |
| 00:02.34 | Tig| | what model is the router |
| 00:03.15 | jonkristian | it's a thomson speedtouch |
| 00:03.16 | jonkristian | ST585 |
| 00:03.20 | jonkristian | is the model |
| 00:03.34 | jonkristian | i've tried searching for others with similar issues |
| 00:04.02 | tuju_ | jonkristian: i've it home too and it sucks. |
| 00:04.51 | jonkristian | tuju_: but yours is working? |
| 00:05.20 | tuju_ | well, it works but i have not used it with openmoko and i have firewall and lots of other stuff in that network. |
| 00:05.37 | tuju_ | i run VLANs in procurve and have external DHCP etc. |
| 00:06.12 | tuju_ | just was building a openwrt based wifi but it's not finished yet. |
| 00:06.17 | jonkristian | k |
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| 00:14.04 | Tig| | jonkristian, what version of the firmware is your router running |
| 00:14.20 | jonkristian | 7.4.1.7 |
| 00:14.24 | Tig| | bit of ooogling suggests issues with certain firmwares |
| 00:14.29 | jonkristian | hm |
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| 00:18.36 | jonkristian | hmm, this is interesting |
| 00:18.38 | jonkristian | 7.4 firmware has been pulled from the Thomson partner website. I suspect it has too many bugs. Go back to 6.2 firmware. |
| 00:21.09 | Tig| | oops :) |
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| 00:21.48 | jonkristian | but that was two years ago |
| 00:22.14 | Tig| | could be a dead product |
| 00:22.15 | Tig| | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.09 | jonkristian | could be, however i have been searching for firmwares earlier, and they are really hard to find. |
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| 00:25.39 | Tig| | I think it is time to e-mail your isp. but in reality I suspect it will be cheaper to buy a new adsl/modem/ap |
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| 00:25.50 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 00:27.45 | Tig| | not the answer we wanted |
| 00:27.56 | Tig| | can you get the 6.2 firmware |
| 00:28.38 | jonkristian | i found something |
| 00:29.11 | Tig| | should I get excited |
| 00:29.17 | Slaxxer | if they pulled the 7.4 u would think that the 6.2 would be made available |
| 00:29.30 | jonkristian | http://mirror.opensourcehub.com/pub/speedtouch/routers/ |
| 00:29.36 | jonkristian | however there are two version |
| 00:29.44 | jonkristian | regular and v6 |
| 00:29.59 | Tig| | wait I am getting a beer for this |
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| 00:30.25 | Tig| | right |
| 00:30.35 | Tig| | v6 will be a hardware revision |
| 00:30.56 | Tig| | so somewhere on the bottom of your router there will be a hint |
| 00:31.32 | jonkristian | ah found it |
| 00:31.35 | jonkristian | 585i v6 |
| 00:32.44 | Tig| | Slaxxer, the eternal optimist :) |
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| 00:34.52 | Tig| | jonkristian, let us know if / you apply it and we will hold a candle vigil (well there is one over on the window sill ) for your return....... |
| 00:35.12 | jonkristian | it'll probably be hell to flash though:D |
| 00:35.32 | jonkristian | Tig|: thanks, keep a candle lit for me to see the path of eternal networking |
| 00:35.45 | Tig| | I thought you were flashing it already |
| 00:35.49 | jonkristian | haha |
| 00:36.11 | jonkristian | there's a wizard but it's probably for windows |
| 00:36.20 | Tig| | no bloody point now |
| 00:36.30 | jonkristian | and there are some options in telnet, think i'll look at those |
| 00:37.14 | Tig| | jfair enough I still think it is the router |
| 00:37.20 | Tig| | :) |
| 00:38.09 | jonkristian | it will be flashed |
| 00:38.13 | jonkristian | :D |
| 00:38.49 | Tig| | careful about flashing in public, you can get arrested |
| 00:39.22 | jonkristian | lol |
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| 00:40.30 | Tig| | Don't flash the thing if you don;t have a backup plan or you could get cut off from the net |
| 00:40.59 | Tig| | obvious point |
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| 00:41.12 | CVirus | the beer effect :-p |
| 00:41.38 | Tig| | CVirus, the flashing? |
| 00:41.56 | CVirus | haha |
| 00:42.07 | Tig| | Good point |
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| 00:43.29 | Tig| | Internationally waving ones genitals is not conducive to advancing the cause of free and open source telecommunications. |
| 00:44.05 | Tig| | erm that should have been Intentionally |
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| 00:56.15 | jonkristian | hrm |
| 00:56.26 | jonkristian | video playback is scrambled? |
| 00:56.41 | unstable | So I can buy this phone, and just start using it, making calls, etc? on ATT for example. |
| 00:56.46 | jonkristian | lol |
| 00:57.23 | unstable | Does everything work, is my question. |
| 00:57.41 | Tig| | unstable, no |
| 00:57.42 | moritz | of course not |
| 00:57.47 | unstable | Can I make calls? |
| 00:57.52 | moritz | maybe |
| 00:58.00 | Tig| | occasionally |
| 00:58.03 | moritz | there are distributions, which allow you to do that |
| 00:58.05 | unstable | Is there an ETA for a stable build? |
| 00:58.13 | moritz | not that i'm aware of |
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| 00:58.44 | Tig| | the 5th tuesday of next month |
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| 00:59.28 | unstable | There is no 5th Tuesday next month, haha. |
| 01:00.13 | unstable | There is a 5th Tuesday in the month after next. |
| 01:00.54 | Tig| | unstable, that was my point, there is a lot of dev work going on at the moment, currently the phone will not meet your requirements |
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| 01:19.17 | tuju_ | what SHR images i should use to get booting device? |
| 01:19.28 | tuju_ | current kernel hangs at boot |
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| 01:59.26 | moritz | any workaround for latest(?) omview crashing all the time without showing any images? |
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| 02:16.01 | Slaxxer | an i thought it was 2008,12 |
| 02:16.36 | Slaxxer | its just omview |
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| 03:39.26 | moritz | damn |
| 03:39.33 | moritz | that angstrom repository killed my applications |
| 03:39.49 | moritz | any idea how to revert the last "opkg install" with all it's dependencies? |
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| 03:43.24 | brian__ | did u backup? |
| 03:50.05 | moritz | of course not |
| 03:50.09 | moritz | i just wanted to go to bed |
| 03:50.15 | moritz | and listen to some audio |
| 03:50.30 | moritz | i realized i need an media player |
| 03:50.42 | moritz | installed that according to some howto and ... fun. |
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| 03:52.50 | StealthCP | moritz, same happened here |
| 03:52.54 | StealthCP | it fucked my X |
| 03:53.03 | StealthCP | then I moved to SHR, and all my problems were solved |
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| 04:16.32 | brian__ | how does one get the black keyboard with white letters in 2008.12? |
| 04:17.23 | brian__ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pidgin |
| 04:17.33 | brian__ | as seen on this page |
| 04:20.47 | brian__ | Aphasia wow thats nice |
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| 04:30.49 | kW | brian__: Well, that's the "asu" theme vs. the "illume" theme |
| 04:31.22 | brian__ | i need the asu theme then? |
| 04:31.48 | brian__ | i have the wrench |
| 04:32.23 | brian__ | still have that crappy keyboard with no terminal |
| 04:39.37 | brian__ | fso coming up |
| 04:43.22 | moritz1 | fuck |
| 04:43.36 | moritz1 | no idea how to restore my freerunner into a working state |
| 04:43.42 | moritz1 | (without flashing) |
| 04:43.51 | kW | moritz1: you know how you broke it? |
| 04:43.55 | moritz1 | yes |
| 04:44.05 | moritz1 | i was so dumb to enable that angstrom repository |
| 04:44.10 | moritz1 | and type opkg install mplayer |
| 04:44.22 | moritz1 | afterwards programs did not run anymore |
| 04:44.27 | moritz1 | openmoko-terminal2 segfaulted |
| 04:44.35 | moritz1 | and needless to say, X doesnt come up anymore |
| 04:44.48 | kW | moritz1: you root filesystem is on the internal flash or on an SD card? |
| 04:44.50 | moritz1 | although i tried to reinstall every single dependency of mplayer |
| 04:44.54 | brian__ | ssh in an opkh remove mplayer |
| 04:44.55 | moritz1 | from openmoko repository |
| 04:44.59 | moritz1 | internal, sadly |
| 04:45.08 | moritz1 | brian_: that is not the problem |
| 04:45.09 | kW | moritz1: can you ssh into the freerunner? |
| 04:45.14 | moritz1 | yes |
| 04:45.34 | kW | moritz1: do you know a program which crashes consistently when trying? |
| 04:45.43 | moritz1 | yes |
| 04:45.46 | moritz1 | openmoko-terminal2 |
| 04:45.52 | moritz1 | for instance |
| 04:45.56 | moritz1 | several others too |
| 04:45.57 | kW | try running "strace -f openmoko-terminal2" |
| 04:46.44 | moritz1 | let me use dillo as a test case |
| 04:46.54 | moritz1 | dillo crashes before initializing X |
| 04:46.57 | moritz1 | openmoko not |
| 04:47.02 | moritz1 | -terminal, i mean |
| 04:47.03 | kW | how you like, shouldn't matter |
| 04:47.10 | moritz1 | gettimeofday({1230957588, 487673}, NULL) = 0 |
| 04:47.10 | moritz1 | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 04:47.10 | moritz1 | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 04:47.10 | moritz1 | Process 692 detached |
| 04:47.13 | moritz1 | those are the last lines |
| 04:47.27 | kW | which is the last library loaded before the crash? |
| 04:48.11 | moritz1 | what is an easy to way to grep for the appropriate lines? |
| 04:48.13 | moritz1 | there are so many |
| 04:48.18 | moritz1 | (lines) |
| 04:48.40 | kW | strace -f dillo 2>&1 | grep /lib |
| 04:49.16 | moritz1 | the last on is libexpat |
| 04:49.44 | kW | well, verify that this library is actually installed correctly |
| 04:50.01 | moritz1 | i doubt that the mplayer installation touched libexpat |
| 04:50.09 | kW | (but this is just a guess of many guesses) |
| 04:50.17 | moritz1 | but it's a good thing that you reminde my of strace |
| 04:50.28 | moritz1 | i was already bitching about not having ldd on the phone |
| 04:50.36 | kW | I'm checking whether gdb is available |
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| 04:52.47 | kW | actually, it is... |
| 04:52.52 | kW | opkg install gdb |
| 04:56.44 | moritz1 | i think you saved me |
| 04:57.08 | moritz1 | seems it was libfontconfig1 |
| 04:57.13 | moritz1 | (rebooting now) |
| 04:57.22 | moritz1 | gdb showed me |
| 04:57.32 | kW | :-) |
| 04:57.39 | moritz1 | but this tells me furthermore that opkg wasn't rellay doing what it said it was doing |
| 04:57.53 | moritz1 | damn |
| 04:57.57 | moritz1 | still not booting with X |
| 04:58.10 | kW | well, opkg once ran me out of filesystem space and then my /lib/libc.so.6 was missing... ;-) |
| 04:58.33 | moritz1 | hrrm |
| 04:58.36 | moritz1 | .o(wtf?) |
| 04:59.13 | kW | even this was fixable... just boot from SDcard and then check what's missing by chrooting into the internal flash filesystem... |
| 04:59.41 | kW | having more than one boot medium is a very wise design decision |
| 05:00.06 | kW | by the way: does anyone know how to get GPRS working? |
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| 05:02.08 | kW_ | rehi... |
| 05:02.14 | kW_ | by the way: does anyone know how to get GPRS working? |
| 05:02.42 | moritz1 | i am angry at opkg |
| 05:02.44 | moritz1 | for fooling me |
| 05:02.59 | moritz1 | had to manually reinstall libpng12-0 and libfontconfig-1 |
| 05:03.02 | moritz1 | (for the record) |
| 05:03.13 | moritz1 | seems that it is back to a working state |
| 05:03.15 | moritz1 | damn |
| 05:03.19 | moritz1 | and it's 6:00 am by now |
| 05:04.03 | moritz1 | thanks for the help, i'm off |
| 05:04.22 | kW_ | moritz1: good night :-) |
| 05:04.36 | kW_ | moritz1: have a nice sleep at 6:04 CET (same timezone for me) |
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| 05:54.52 | gambler_ | i got android running on my freerunner. for about 2 seconds |
| 05:54.57 | gambler_ | it then goes into autoshutdown |
| 05:55.15 | gambler_ | which it sometimes is successful at and sometimes loops endlessly trying to do it. |
| 05:56.58 | Slaxxer | sounds like me an fso m4 |
| 05:57.11 | Slaxxer | seems weird |
| 05:57.54 | Slaxxer | i want some md5sum # is what i want |
| 06:00.57 | Slaxxer | i think the releases are far enough apart to implement md5sums now |
| 06:01.08 | Slaxxer | fdom is |
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| 06:02.52 | brian__ | why does the debian arm have so much bulk? |
| 06:03.06 | gambler_ | where are the most recent sean mcneil images? the only ones i can find are old |
| 06:03.08 | gambler_ | from early dec |
| 06:03.22 | gambler_ | thats LAST YEAR now :p |
| 06:03.29 | Slaxxer | gosh |
| 06:03.52 | Slaxxer | seems like everybody is on vacation:) |
| 06:05.50 | Slaxxer | qtopia provides the # right on thee download page:) |
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| 06:55.14 | kW_ | does anybody has a "sshfs" binary package (ipk file) available or know where I can get one? |
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| 07:25.23 | Digital_Pioneer | So, what games do you guys like for FR? |
| 07:25.39 | Digital_Pioneer | I'd love to see some kind of Yahtzee game for it. :) |
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| 07:29.42 | Tm_T | Digital_Pioneer: you shake phone to shuffle & throw ? |
| 07:29.53 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL, would be a nice touch. |
| 07:31.26 | Tm_T | (patent pending) |
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| 07:33.00 | Digital_Pioneer | On what? |
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| 07:58.23 | Mac | happy new year to everynbody |
| 07:58.34 | Mac | everybody |
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| 08:05.31 | paulproteus | You too! |
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| 09:18.05 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:18.29 | nio_ | Mornin |
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| 09:58.14 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 10:27.33 | edje2 | hi all, my desktop starts to get overloaded with icons for my own programs :-) i there an easy way to make submenu's so one icons opens a new set of related icons? |
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| 10:29.54 | admiral0 | not yet |
| 10:30.56 | henk | there are submenus in some distro arent there? |
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| 10:34.43 | edje2 | hmm. ok, i will dig some more in xmessage and see if i can get a working sollution that way. not really icons, but buttons..... oh well |
| 10:34.43 | rud_ | Hi, I'm new here :) How can I see which distro I got with my freerunner? Or where to read? I can do ssh to it ... |
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| 10:35.53 | admiral0 | rud_ have you ever flashed the freerunner? |
| 10:36.31 | edje2 | well, if you run uname -a it will give you the version of your kernel. that would help to find out what distro you are on right now |
| 10:37.01 | rud_ | not yet, I can dial and receive calls. dfu-util I have already in place. |
| 10:37.31 | admiral0 | rud_ i think you have the 2007.x version of openmoko |
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| 10:38.43 | rud_ | ok, will try to tell here. Is 2008.12 recommended? |
| 10:40.49 | edje2 | for me 2008.12 is a nice distro. i am still hunted by the buzzz bug, and i sometimes miss an sms, but other than that it is workable |
| 10:41.56 | admiral0 | i prefer shr at the moment |
| 10:42.08 | admiral0 | it's more usable for me |
| 10:42.59 | rud_ | thanks for your advices, will try both of them, over time. Buzzz bug is ... ? |
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| 10:43.15 | admiral0 | ...a very bad thing. |
| 10:44.02 | edje2 | it is a hardware problem, where RF signal is fed tot the mic input. the calling party will hear a buzzing humming noise |
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| 10:44.56 | edje2 | but you might have no problem at all. i have it a certain places and not at all in other places.... it seems to depend on you location |
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| 10:48.38 | rud_ | uname -a gets: |
| 10:48.41 | rud_ | Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 10:50.10 | edje2 | Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008 so if you check the release date's you can guestimate the version |
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| 10:50.49 | rud_ | thanks |
| 10:51.32 | edje2 | but it really is old, so i would recomend upgrading |
| 10:52.13 | admiral0 | as i said 2007.x |
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| 11:37.42 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r1f31126dfc03 10/src/ (consts.vala main.vala obj.vala): first introspection bits |
| 11:37.42 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r4f18a95bb7be 10/src/obj.vala: ListObjectPaths now works |
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| 11:40.00 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r21090a500b82 10/Makefile: Removed SHR targets and split gta01 and gta02 into separate targets so the autobuilder can build them separately. |
| 11:40.00 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r9fc3080d6fa6 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Moved to new OE git repository location |
| 11:40.02 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r786a99f0c55b 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Updated the SHR directives (migration from SVN to GIT, plus some options). |
| 11:40.03 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r856c426bca3b 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Added the topdir.conf generation. |
| 11:40.04 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r9ab2385a6bb1 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Correct modification of topdir.conf |
| 11:40.07 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * rede541822e9d 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Damn me. Should look twice before putting dumb repositories... |
| 11:40.10 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r5e05da713ceb 10fso-makefile/Makefile: TOPDIR is install directory plus subdirectory. |
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| 11:40.13 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * rd6fa6c5d7a25 10fso-makefile/Makefile: |
| 11:40.16 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: setup-env borks on topdir.conf because of missing export. |
| 11:40.18 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: This thing is eventually going to work, isn't it? |
| 11:40.24 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * ra1dc477dc436 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Removed spaces on topdir. It'll work someday, somehow. |
| 11:40.27 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r5bd2ee830083 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Inverted the inclusion of order of sane srcrev files to put shr-autorev first. |
| 11:40.30 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/master * r9fc3080d6fa6 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Moved to new OE git repository location |
| 11:40.35 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/master * r786a99f0c55b 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Updated the SHR directives (migration from SVN to GIT, plus some options). |
| 11:40.38 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/master * r856c426bca3b 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Added the topdir.conf generation. |
| 11:40.41 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/master * r9ab2385a6bb1 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Correct modification of topdir.conf |
| 11:40.46 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/master * rede541822e9d 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Damn me. Should look twice before putting dumb repositories... |
| 11:40.49 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/master * r5e05da713ceb 10fso-makefile/Makefile: TOPDIR is install directory plus subdirectory. |
| 11:40.52 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/master * rd6fa6c5d7a25 10fso-makefile/Makefile: |
| 11:40.57 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: setup-env borks on topdir.conf because of missing export. |
| 11:40.59 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: This thing is eventually going to work, isn't it? |
| 11:41.01 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/master * ra1dc477dc436 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Removed spaces on topdir. It'll work someday, somehow. |
| 11:41.04 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07refs/remotes/origin/master * r5bd2ee830083 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Inverted the inclusion of order of sane srcrev files to put shr-autorev first. |
| 11:41.40 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 11:41.44 | mickeyl | refs/remotes/origin/master ? |
| 11:41.49 | mickeyl | strange branch name |
| 11:42.29 | rwhitby | dunno what happened there. I checked in a single commit and all ainulindale stuff got spewed out. |
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| 11:43.14 | rwhitby | mickeyl: I updated the Makefile so there are separate gta01 and gta02 targets that the autobuilder can now tickle separately. |
| 11:43.30 | mickeyl | ah, cool |
| 11:43.34 | mickeyl | would you mind adding some new devices? |
| 11:43.38 | mickeyl | (to the autobuilder) |
| 11:44.06 | mickeyl | we want to target at least the a780 with milestone5 as well |
| 11:44.40 | rwhitby | ok, what's the machine name to add? |
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| 11:47.20 | frankS2 | how can i SSH to my phone? |
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| 11:47.25 | frankS2 | i have inserted USB |
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| 11:49.18 | xiangfu | frankS2: set the USB0 ip address : 192.168.0.200 |
| 11:49.28 | frankS2 | ok |
| 11:49.29 | xiangfu | frankS2: then ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 11:49.37 | frankS2 | whats the pass? |
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| 11:50.36 | xiangfu | the root password is empty |
| 11:51.01 | frankS2 | ok |
| 11:51.05 | frankS2 | i set it to something nw |
| 11:51.05 | frankS2 | mmm |
| 11:51.12 | frankS2 | where is the "space" key? |
| 11:51.20 | frankS2 | for ifconfig usb0 |
| 11:51.31 | frankS2 | i only have letters, and # and * |
| 11:52.06 | frankS2 | no space lol |
| 11:52.31 | sicu | frankS2: what distro on the freerunner ? |
| 11:52.49 | frankS2 | hmm i just opened it |
| 11:52.54 | frankS2 | so im not sure |
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| 11:53.11 | raster | usbnet is up by default |
| 11:53.17 | raster | u dont need to bring it up on the phone |
| 11:53.38 | sicu | frankS2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking |
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| 11:54.45 | frankS2 | thanks mate |
| 11:57.45 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * ref9432687797 10/Makefile: Added support for a780 |
| 11:57.45 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r21090a500b82 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Removed SHR targets and split gta01 and gta02 into separate targets so the autobuilder can build them separately. |
| 11:57.47 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/master * r21090a500b82 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Removed SHR targets and split gta01 and gta02 into separate targets so the autobuilder can build them separately. |
| 11:58.03 | frankS2 | frank@hax0r ~ $ ssh root@10.0.0.123 |
| 11:58.04 | frankS2 | ssh: connect to host 10.0.0.123 port 22: No route to host |
| 11:58.08 | frankS2 | i set it to .123 |
| 11:58.35 | henk | can you ping it? |
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| 12:00.05 | frankS2 | nop |
| 12:00.19 | henk | then make sure the interface is up on the phone... |
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| 12:00.59 | frankS2 | ma\be i have to define "usb0" on the desktop computer |
| 12:00.59 | frankS2 | in ssh |
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| 12:02.25 | edje2 | i think you need 192.168.0.202 instead of 10.0.0.123 |
| 12:02.38 | frankS2 | hm you think? |
| 12:03.08 | sicu | that is the default ip for the freerunner |
| 12:03.13 | edje2 | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 ( on your desktop pc) |
| 12:03.22 | edje2 | ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202 |
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| 12:04.50 | frankS2 | wuu |
| 12:04.51 | frankS2 | yea |
| 12:04.54 | frankS2 | edje2: it responds to ping |
| 12:05.09 | rwhitby | mickeyl: nslu2-linux has just paid |
| 12:05.11 | edje2 | please read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking |
| 12:05.16 | frankS2 | root@om-gta02:~# uname -ra |
| 12:05.16 | frankS2 | Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 12:05.17 | frankS2 | root@om-gta02:~# |
| 12:05.20 | frankS2 | =) |
| 12:05.23 | edje2 | you can now also ssh 192.168.0.202 |
| 12:05.41 | edje2 | ah, allready there |
| 12:05.58 | rwhitby | mickeyl: USD$600 for new disks for the autobuilder. any way we can ask freesmartphone.org users to make some small donation to the cause? |
| 12:06.02 | frankS2 | now i want some apps :P there's nothing on the phone by default |
| 12:06.06 | edje2 | i would recomend flashing it to OM2008.12 first |
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| 12:06.29 | frankS2 | edje2: ok, you have an URL for that too? |
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| 12:07.08 | edje2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing |
| 12:07.19 | frankS2 | thanks |
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| 12:08.58 | frankS2 | I love the carry case for the phone, it smells like my diving gloves |
| 12:09.01 | frankS2 | neoprene <3 |
| 12:09.32 | sicu | =] |
| 12:10.24 | mickeyl | rwhitby: sure, we could toss a request towards the fso-userland and oe lists |
| 12:10.43 | mickeyl | rwhitby: do you have a template for that? |
| 12:10.58 | rwhitby | sure, let me give you a url for the email we sent to other lists |
| 12:12.46 | rwhitby | mickeyl: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.nslu2.general/7647 - just replace 'Optware' with 'downloads.freesmartphone.org' etc. and other related changes. |
| 12:12.55 | mickeyl | oki |
| 12:13.01 | rwhitby | (it's the same autobuilder machine) |
| 12:13.43 | rwhitby | no need to make it too heavy - we're surviving fine, it would just be nice to have a buffer :-) |
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| 12:14.23 | rwhitby | mickeyl: should I start an a780 build now? |
| 12:14.55 | mickeyl | yes, thanks. it should run through, and if not, we need to fix it sooner than later |
| 12:16.14 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * rfd81f5e0ee50 10/src/obj.vala: ListObjectsByInterface now works |
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| 12:17.31 | mib_l70v9z | Hi |
| 12:17.49 | mib_l70v9z | I am trying to Install Openmoko on my free runner |
| 12:18.06 | igor321 | yes? |
| 12:18.34 | mib_l70v9z | When I connect the device via USB, I am unable to find any device file like /dev/mmcblk0 |
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| 12:18.47 | rwhitby | mickeyl: ok, testing and unstable builds enabled for a780 machine. It should attempt to build within the next couple of hours. You can monitor at http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/testing%40freesmartphone.org/ filtering for a780. |
| 12:18.58 | igor321 | mib_l70v9z: you want to flash new software, no? |
| 12:19.06 | mib_l70v9z | yeah |
| 12:19.22 | igor321 | you need dfu-util |
| 12:19.46 | igor321 | apt-get it if you're using ubuntu |
| 12:19.52 | mib_l70v9z | I just want to place the installation on SD card instead of NAND memory. I am following the instaructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Partioning_the_SD_card |
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| 12:20.05 | mib_l70v9z | igor321: I have dfu-util with me |
| 12:20.20 | igor321 | i don't think neo works as a card reader like that |
| 12:20.30 | mib_l70v9z | But for installing it on SD card, I need to partion it in to ext3 and fat file systems .. |
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| 12:20.32 | igor321 | you have to partition the card with a standalone one |
| 12:21.23 | igor321 | what you could do is flash to nand, and then ssh into your fr to partition |
| 12:21.36 | pcfe | you can also do http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_an_USB_Mass_storage_device if you do not have an external SD reader |
| 12:22.17 | mib_l70v9z | But the wiki says, when i connect the freerunner with a SD card in it, my ubuntu(Host PC) /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 12:22.42 | mib_l70v9z | i mean my host computer must detect the SD card as /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 12:22.52 | mib_l70v9z | but my ubuntu i not detecting so |
| 12:22.59 | mib_l70v9z | any clues please ? |
| 12:23.08 | mickeyl | rwhitby: awesome, thanks |
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| 12:23.39 | igor321 | mib_l70v9z: where does the wiki say that |
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| 12:24.53 | mib_l70v9z | igor321: refer the link http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Partioning_the_SD_card |
| 12:25.47 | henk | mib_l70v9z: it's about the FR, not your desktop computer. |
| 12:26.31 | igor321 | yes, the commands there, you issue on the fr |
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| 12:27.40 | mib_l70v9z | Can i execute those commands by connecting the SD card to my Pc ?? |
| 12:28.38 | frankS2 | how can i change my ring tone? |
| 12:28.52 | pcfe | depending on the reader you either get mmcblk0 or sdX (X is a letter depending on your machine). If you type 'dmesg' in a termainal you will see which of the two it is. And yes you can extract the OS onto the card directly on your PC. |
| 12:28.53 | henk | mib_l70v9z: probably only similar commands. the card will be recognized as /dev/sdb or something similar. |
| 12:29.10 | mib_l70v9z | ok |
| 12:31.03 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r8205f5bde4a4 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): ship dbus service file and configuration to make it system-activatable |
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| 12:34.33 | frankS2 | Anyone know how I can change my ring tone? |
| 12:34.44 | frankS2 | i found this /usr/share/openmoko/sounds |
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| 12:43.16 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * re617a71ac3a8 10/ (ChangeLog Makefile.am README configure.ac src/main.vala): live on the system bus, release as 0.9.0 |
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| 12:49.25 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * ra665ba6c8cec 10/Makefile.am: live in sbin |
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| 13:11.21 | henk | anyone working with om-manager? it seems not to be able to find my FR when flashing. it always says "no device found" (similar). |
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| 13:15.18 | mib_l70v9z | Does any one installed Android on Free runner ? |
| 13:15.46 | jonkristian | So i wanted to rip a dvd to put on the fr since im traveling today, but the whole project got messed up. I followed this wiki entry, http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Video_Player and i did the stuff under transcoding to get the video. I also did the note about glamo chipset and downloaded the mplayer binary. But the video is way to small. |
| 13:16.07 | jonkristian | mib_l70v9z: yes i did, but quickly removed it. It's not usable yet afaik |
| 13:17.31 | jonkristian | i did this in console, mplayer -vo xover:glamo -vf video.avi |
| 13:18.29 | mib_l70v9z | jonkristian: Thats great. I installed in to on my SD card. The initial boot is taking so much time |
| 13:18.44 | mib_l70v9z | The AUX LED is blinking continously |
| 13:19.03 | mib_l70v9z | It is there like that from almost 20 minutes |
| 13:19.04 | jonkristian | it took some time to boot, yeah. |
| 13:19.14 | jonkristian | hm, then something is wrong. |
| 13:19.36 | mib_l70v9z | Aprrox, how much time does it take ? |
| 13:19.57 | jonkristian | don't remember, but not 20min |
| 13:21.09 | mib_l70v9z | Which one did u try ? |
| 13:21.16 | mib_l70v9z | Koolu's or Sean's ? |
| 13:21.27 | jonkristian | mib_l70v9z: seans |
| 13:22.03 | mib_l70v9z | Ok.. I tried with Koolu's image. I will try with Sean's image now .. |
| 13:22.44 | henk | for anyone interested: removing the dfu-util from the app/bin/ works fine for me. after removing /usr/local/sbin (doesn't exist here, so python throws an error) from PATH... |
| 13:23.05 | mib_l70v9z | jonkristian: Just a quick question. I manually copied the uImage and android.jffs2 files on vfat and ext3 partitions on My sd card. Does it sound correct ? |
| 13:23.38 | henk | no |
| 13:23.42 | jonkristian | mib_l70v9z: flash |
| 13:24.05 | jonkristian | mib_l70v9z: don't use sd, but you need those partitions for it to boot, also make sure you have a simcard without pin |
| 13:24.18 | henk | mib_l70v9z: jffs is a filesystem for flash devices. nothing else. |
| 13:24.53 | jonkristian | But, anyone got any suggestions about the video problem? |
| 13:25.07 | jonkristian | tried in pythm now, but the size is still too small. |
| 13:26.21 | mib_l70v9z | jonkristan: Does the NAND memory is sufficient for flashing android ? |
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| 13:30.59 | jonkristian | what is this? http://rafb.net/p/kq2zKx79.html |
| 13:31.15 | jonkristian | mib_l70v9z: you flash the android just like you would flash any other image. |
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| 13:32.20 | mib_l70v9z | jonkristian: Ok .. |
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| 13:49.59 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * rb2d69aae208c 10/data/ (3 files): |
| 13:49.59 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: rename dbus service file, needs to be the _exact_ name of the service otherwise we get the infamous |
| 13:49.59 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.FailedToSetup: Failed to setup environment correctly" |
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| 14:16.55 | pcfe | if mokoMakefile gives me this: http://pastebin.com/m265a2435 , what am I doing wrong? |
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| 14:32.58 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re7344b24c9f9 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: register real time clock also under incremental object path |
| 14:33.03 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8eaaf983d3db 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/alarm.py: |
| 14:33.03 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: otimed: alarm: use "hardcoded" path to default real time clock |
| 14:33.03 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: also: do not introspect and follow name owner changes, so that |
| 14:33.03 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced has not to be present at subsystem launch time |
| 14:33.05 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra4d9cc759461 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/ (alarm.py otimed.py): |
| 14:33.08 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: otimed: use lazy dbus object binding, so that ogsmd has not to be present |
| 14:33.10 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: at subsystem launch time |
| 14:33.12 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5f9375fd5dc1 10/framework/objectquery.py: |
| 14:33.14 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: framework: objectquery: remove ListObjects from interface, this will now be |
| 14:33.16 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: handled by the new dbus-hlid project. |
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| 15:16.19 | flexd | Uh stupid question time: |
| 15:16.34 | flexd | Is it at all possible to install openmoko/one of the distros on a HTC Touch Diamond? |
| 15:16.51 | flexd | Someone PM'd me on a forum and asked, i have little/no idea about non-FR phones :P |
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| 15:47.17 | leonar_ | on wiki theres a compatible list :) |
| 15:47.29 | leonar_ | and i think that it won't run : |
| 15:48.04 | leonar_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_Hardware |
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| 16:00.14 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd9d411876307 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:00.14 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Add an OccupyResource action plus some corresponding rules. |
| 16:00.14 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: See rules file for one testing rule which is still outcommented. |
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| 16:34.23 | bipak_ | any good reason for switching from 2008.12 to debian? |
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| 16:56.25 | Slaxxer | it works? |
| 16:57.19 | Slaxxer | ima trying 2008.12 with no modifications to see if its any better |
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| 17:17.03 | almien | in SHR, after the screen blanks, clicking on the screen to wake it up seems to be treated as a real click on whatever was displayed underneath? |
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| 17:45.02 | bipak_ | Slaxxer: lete me know your result :) |
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| 17:56.35 | kW | does anyone have experience with "pythm"? I cannot choose any files |
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| 19:12.11 | feitingen | why is the events/0 eating up my cpu usage when i am streaming stuff? |
| 19:13.05 | kW | good question |
| 19:13.10 | kW | this happens to me, too |
| 19:13.15 | igor321 | android has softkeyboard now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Nvy3iRffM |
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| 19:16.37 | feitingen | kW: is it over wlan, bluetooth or usb? |
| 19:17.08 | kW | feitingen: well, it seems to be separate to the WLAN SDIO ecents/0 bug |
| 19:17.23 | kW | feitingen: but currently, I control the freerunner over WLAN, while the video file is local |
| 19:17.43 | feitingen | and it still eats cpu? |
| 19:18.16 | kW | feitingen: yes |
| 19:18.18 | Slaxxer | how long before theres a .jffs2 file with that keyboard |
| 19:18.49 | feitingen | kW: i may be wrong, but i think the glamo chip is on the SDIO bus |
| 19:19.27 | SpeedEvil | you're wrong |
| 19:19.35 | feitingen | i hoped so |
| 19:19.38 | SpeedEvil | the SDIO bus is on the glamo chip |
| 19:19.42 | kW | feitingen: this may be... when I just play audio using mplayer, then events/0 eats about 5.8% CPU |
| 19:19.44 | SpeedEvil | Which is nearly as bad |
| 19:20.12 | feitingen | i see.. |
| 19:21.09 | feitingen | which is one reason why some people dislike the glamo chip strongly? |
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| 19:21.31 | kW | feitingen: when I just play video using mplayer (no audio), then events/0 eats about 4.1% CPU |
| 19:22.15 | feitingen | kW: i will try streaming over bluetooth and see what happens |
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| 19:23.58 | kW | interestingly, mplayer seems to take more CPU resources for decoding audio than for decoding video |
| 19:24.23 | feitingen | maybe because the glamo chip decodes the video |
| 19:24.54 | kW | feitingen: yes, maybe, but then it is quite disappointing that the glamo chip cannot decode video at full resolution (480*640) |
| 19:25.55 | feitingen | kW: true.. |
| 19:26.07 | igor321 | Slaxxer: i think there already is one |
| 19:26.24 | igor321 | the sources are in koolu git |
| 19:26.38 | igor321 | just nobody bothered to compile it |
| 19:27.27 | kW | well... watching a DVD (stored on an 8GB SDHC card) would be quite a nice application |
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| 19:28.15 | Wonka | kW: eh... i think you could just forget that. |
| 19:28.21 | kW | Wonka: why? |
| 19:28.40 | SpeedEvil | Naah. |
| 19:28.40 | Wonka | kW: not nearly enough cpu (or gpu) power to do the mpeg2 decoding? |
| 19:28.47 | SpeedEvil | The backlight normally goes up to 65536. |
| 19:28.52 | kW | another nice thing would be android emulation and iphone emulation... then all the apps for these platforms could run on FSO... |
| 19:29.04 | Flinx | Ello |
| 19:29.09 | SpeedEvil | You need to unlock the chip to do 32 bit, then set the brightness to max, and add a projector lens. |
| 19:29.12 | kW | Wonka: is mpeg2 as expensive to decode as mpeg4? |
| 19:29.21 | SpeedEvil | kW: can be cheaper |
| 19:29.27 | igor321 | yeah, someone needs to port dalvik vm, the android browser is hottt |
| 19:29.29 | Flinx | I'm currently running on buiold 2008.8 is there a way to upgrade to 2008.12 w/o flashing? |
| 19:29.36 | Wonka | less... but it's in PAL (or NTSC) resolution |
| 19:29.50 | kW | SpeedEvil: maybe it is possible... or maybe it requires a pre-transcoding step |
| 19:31.12 | Flinx | ... I bet I overlooked something -.- |
| 19:31.23 | kW | is the S-Media company (the one which produce the glamo chipset) out of business? |
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| 19:31.54 | feitingen | kW: android and iphone emulation with 199 mips? |
| 19:31.58 | SpeedEvil | kW: transcoding is almost trivial |
| 19:32.14 | SpeedEvil | kW: it's the right command line to mplayer, and you're done. (preferrably on the host system) |
| 19:32.23 | AntonTakk | \/win 5 |
| 19:32.26 | AntonTakk | oops |
| 19:32.30 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.36 | AntonTakk | :) |
| 19:33.27 | kW | feitingen: well, the iphone has a 650MHz ARM CPU, the freerunner has a 400 MHz ARM CPU |
| 19:33.43 | Tm_T | kW: arm and arm has differences |
| 19:35.15 | kW | Tm_T: yes, that's where the emulation part has to step in... ;-) |
| 19:35.35 | kW | Tm_T: but I think android would be a more interesting target anyway |
| 19:36.03 | feitingen | kW: the emulation will be *horribly* slow |
| 19:36.14 | mjr | also android is the doable one |
| 19:36.21 | mjr | which is happy enough |
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| 19:37.07 | kW | Tm_T: as it looks like the android platform will be a good competitor against the iphone platform, so if we build a bridge between more native (FSO) software and android software, then the usability of the openmoko phones rises, without supporting proprietary platforms... |
| 19:37.50 | Wonka | qemu-system-android... *duck* |
| 19:38.44 | feitingen | kW: excuse me, but more native? fso seems to be mostly python whereas the android uses java, i see no real difference |
| 19:39.05 | feitingen | except that the java part may actually be better |
| 19:39.34 | kW | feitingen: I mean "more native" in the sense of "more openmoko centric", not in the sense of "closer to the CPU" |
| 19:40.08 | feitingen | ah, my bad then |
| 19:41.07 | kW | feitingen: but it is interesting... of android will be truly open and community driven, maybe even all the attempts of creating an openmoko distribution will eventuell standardize on some android distribution... |
| 19:41.12 | kW | feitingen: but it is interesting... if android will be truly open and community driven, maybe even all the attempts of creating an openmoko distribution will eventuell standardize on some android distribution... |
| 19:41.38 | Flinx | has anyone tried installing android on thier FR? |
| 19:41.59 | kW | Flinx: I tried to compile, but failed with the "repo" command from google |
| 19:43.17 | kW | the "repo" command fails with " |
| 19:43.19 | kW | TypeError: Error when calling the metaclass bases |
| 19:43.20 | kW | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.21 | feitingen | kW: it truly is interesting, and i wonder what will happen |
| 19:43.22 | kW | " |
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| 19:44.39 | Flinx | ah |
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| 19:45.08 | Flinx | I'm just trying to get the latest OM build hehe |
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| 20:01.41 | kW | Tm_T+feitingen: the iphone uses an ARMv6 instruction set, while the freerunner uses an ARMv4 instruction set... then there is quite some stuff to emulate... :-| |
| 20:01.55 | Tm_T | kW: I know |
| 20:03.18 | Wonka | but the difference is smaller than between IPv4 and IPv6, i assume :) |
| 20:05.46 | SpeedEvil | IIRC the iphone CPU has a FPU |
| 20:05.56 | SpeedEvil | the FR/neo1973 not |
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| 20:18.08 | kW | does anyone have experience with the error "Bad Data CRC" when trying to boot? |
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| 20:31.11 | kW | does anyone have experience with "Qi"? |
| 20:33.43 | bernt | I use Qi (with a debian distribution). |
| 20:33.54 | leinir | Yes, it's the most amazingly brilliant pseudo-quiz show in the world... ;) |
| 20:33.56 | Tm_T | kW: many has |
| 20:34.36 | bernt | but I have switched on all debug logs ;-) |
| 20:37.02 | kW | nice, I'm running now a kernel-2.6.28 :-) |
| 20:37.29 | Tm_T | kW: isn't that, like, old? |
| 20:37.30 | kW | Qi had a boot problem, but it turned out it booted the wrong kernel (from SD, which never worked with u-boot) |
| 20:37.43 | jaj | does anybody know if gsm passthrough works in uboot? |
| 20:38.09 | kW | Tm_T: well, not really... |
| 20:38.12 | jaj | on gta02 |
| 20:38.28 | Tm_T | kW: well, it's stable release, meaning, old |
| 20:39.37 | kW | Tm_T: it is just a week old... so fairly current, I think :-) |
| 20:39.50 | kW | Tm_T: what would be a "new" kernel version for a freerunner in your POV? |
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| 20:40.17 | Tm_T | kW: anything unstable, that could burn the phone |
| 20:40.21 | Tm_T | (;) |
| 20:40.24 | Tm_T | kidding |
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| 20:47.48 | almien | do you have to reboot for changes to frameworkd.conf to take effect in SHR? |
| 20:48.55 | TAsn | almien, I think you can just restart frameworkd and then ophonekitd |
| 20:49.00 | TAsn | cya, im off. |
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| 20:51.28 | feitingen | something has been bothering me for a while.. wikipedia says the arm920t core should give 200 MIPS @ 180Mhz, whereas the openmoko wiki says that the cpu is running at at least 400Mhz, yet /proc/cpuingo says 199.47 BOGOMIPS |
| 20:51.40 | feitingen | s/cpuingo/cpuinfo/ |
| 20:52.39 | Tm_T | mips and bogomips |
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| 20:54.30 | Tm_T | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogomips |
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| 20:56.39 | feitingen | ah, thanks |
| 20:57.08 | Tm_T | so, anyway, totally different thing |
| 21:03.59 | feitingen | so, what are the thing running at? |
| 21:04.27 | feitingen | and is it possible to throttle this? |
| 21:04.56 | Tm_T | what you mean by throttling? |
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| 21:05.05 | Tm_T | it's doing fine, in it's "full" power |
| 21:07.00 | feitingen | Tm_T: i mean the other way, turning the speed down to save power |
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| 21:20.54 | bipak | did anybody got wlan running stable? |
| 21:21.30 | edje | bipak: well, i did not notice any hickups lately |
| 21:21.33 | laen | Only on Debian. |
| 21:22.45 | bipak | well on my 2008.12 it behaves the same as with 2008.9 :( (wpa2) |
| 21:22.56 | bipak | laen: on debian it runs stable? nice |
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| 21:24.02 | edje | bipak: iuse wpa psk and so far no problems. i did had to change to channel 1 iirc |
| 21:24.38 | bipak | edje: hmm, it could try that too |
| 21:24.43 | bipak | it = I |
| 21:26.07 | edje | ok, i use WPA-Personal and channel 1. i also have a certain startup seqence, otherwise it would not always work |
| 21:27.36 | edje | http://pastebin.com/m7ff35843 |
| 21:27.46 | bipak | hm im already using ch1 |
| 21:27.58 | bipak | thanks |
| 21:28.36 | edje | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 21:28.38 | edje | iwconfig eth0 txpower off |
| 21:28.40 | edje | iwconfig eth0 channel 0 |
| 21:28.42 | edje | iwconfig eth0 essid off |
| 21:28.50 | edje | that is what i use before starting it again |
| 21:30.07 | bipak | so you still have disconnects, but with those lines you get it to work again without reboot? |
| 21:31.48 | edje | no, i use these lines to setup the network. first bring everything down and afterwards run the script from pastebin. works for me and i haven;t noticed any disconnects |
| 21:32.15 | bipak | ah great :) |
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| 21:33.37 | edje | iirc the iwconfig eth0 essid off is the one that is *really* needed, the other might be overkill. i figured this out a while ago and i am not sure about the details |
| 21:33.59 | edje | but better dave then sorry ;-) |
| 21:34.03 | edje | save* |
| 21:35.11 | SpeedEvil | IME wifi chips/drivers vary |
| 21:35.19 | SpeedEvil | some object to one sequence, some to another |
| 21:37.22 | bipak | edje: well it works, that the main point :) |
| 21:37.36 | edje | ah, good to hear that |
| 21:37.51 | bipak | eeeeh for you! |
| 21:37.52 | bipak | *g* |
| 21:38.17 | bipak | im making a desktop icon |
| 21:38.22 | bipak | then i start it ;) |
| 21:38.58 | edje | so did i, one for up and one for down. if you tested it, can you have hte instructions added to the wifi wiki please? |
| 21:39.16 | bipak | yes |
| 21:39.52 | edje | i also have an icon for gprs and one for bluetooth..... my screen is cluttered with icons ;-) |
| 21:41.06 | bipak | well, there is enough space for icons on the screen :> |
| 21:41.36 | bipak | i'm rebooting now to have a clear start |
| 21:41.51 | bipak | then we'll see if it works relyable |
| 21:42.25 | edje | nah, not for me. i am looking for a way to have a kind of menu structure. one icon for network should one up multiple icons for up/down gprs, bluetooth, wifi etc |
| 21:44.42 | bipak | hehe yes that would be better, of course |
| 21:46.02 | edje | well, i have to go, please don;t forget to add it to the wiki if you tested it and also find it working reliable. |
| 21:46.03 | edje | bye |
| 21:46.53 | bipak | ok |
| 21:46.55 | bipak | thanks |
| 21:46.56 | bipak | cu later |
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| 22:12.04 | ^wd^ | runs kde3.5.10 on fr and attach yakuake on AUX button |
| 22:12.26 | ^wd^ | looks cool |
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| 22:18.14 | Gnutoo | hello what does Terminated mean for opkg? |
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| 22:28.23 | petaflot | cool, lots of people in here! hello! |
| 22:28.35 | SpeedEvil | hides. |
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| 22:28.52 | petaflot | SpeedEvil: no, don't hide! I need you :-s |
| 22:29.11 | summatusmentis | hi petaflot |
| 22:29.12 | petaflot | well maybe not you in particular.. but somebody! |
| 22:29.36 | petaflot | summatusmentis: hi :-) |
| 22:29.55 | summatusmentis | I'll be of very little use, but I can try :) |
| 22:30.07 | petaflot | ok... here's my problem. I've been trying to install debian on my freerunner, and I have trouble getting the bootload to accept the kernel image |
| 22:30.29 | summatusmentis | over my head :) |
| 22:30.42 | petaflot | I've flashed a recent (dec 16) uboot to nand, but still no success. |
| 22:30.53 | summatusmentis | hasn't followed openmoko in far too long |
| 22:30.53 | petaflot | I'm sad |
| 22:31.17 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil might be of use |
| 22:31.26 | petaflot | summatusmentis: you can help me for something: how do you say what you just did? |
| 22:31.29 | Gnutoo | more precisely i've got : $ opkg install /frozen-bubble_2.2.0-r7_armv4t.ipk Terminated |
| 22:31.54 | summatusmentis | what do you mean? where I started w/ my nick? type /me something> |
| 22:32.02 | petaflot | summatusmentis: I mean the * <nick> is doing something |
| 22:32.16 | summatusmentis | right, /me is doing something |
| 22:32.18 | petaflot | is sad |
| 22:32.26 | petaflot | summatusmentis: cool :-) thank you |
| 22:32.29 | summatusmentis | exactly :) |
| 22:32.32 | petaflot | is not as sad now |
| 22:33.22 | petaflot | SpeedEvil: are you here? |
| 22:34.06 | SpeedEvil | Yes, however, I've never tried debian. |
| 22:34.30 | summatusmentis | was it Dave that was big on debian? |
| 22:34.35 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 22:34.43 | petaflot | SpeedEvil: do you have any experience with uboot? |
| 22:35.07 | SpeedEvil | a bit |
| 22:35.28 | SpeedEvil | what kenrel image are you trying to flash? |
| 22:35.35 | petaflot | thing is, I don't even have time to properly read the error message. but it sounds like "uimage format incorrect" |
| 22:35.38 | SpeedEvil | and what erros do you get |
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| 22:37.55 | petaflot | SpeedEvil: I must admit I'm not sure about it. I used the install script |
| 22:38.36 | SpeedEvil | k, in that case, I can't really help - only done it manually |
| 22:38.51 | SpeedEvil | looks up the timetable. |
| 22:38.59 | petaflot | linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02 |
| 22:39.09 | SpeedEvil | It seems debian support hour is 7AM every december the 34th. |
| 22:39.10 | petaflot | SpeedEvil: there it is |
| 22:39.15 | SpeedEvil | damns wikis. |
| 22:39.26 | petaflot | is in deep shit then |
| 22:39.31 | SpeedEvil | You do in fact have a GTA02? |
| 22:39.39 | petaflot | yes indeed |
| 22:39.42 | SpeedEvil | (freerunner) |
| 22:39.49 | Gnutoo | does someone knows opkg? |
| 22:39.52 | SpeedEvil | sorry, I don't think I can help. |
| 22:39.57 | petaflot | arghh |
| 22:40.01 | SpeedEvil | Good luck |
| 22:40.19 | petaflot | SpeedEvil: thank you so much. I hope this will make me feel better :-s |
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| 22:40.38 | Gnutoo | s/opkg/opkg well/ |
| 22:42.23 | SpeedEvil | passes petaflot a flagon of absinthe. |
| 22:42.24 | petaflot | Gnutoo: sorry, not at all. |
| 22:42.58 | petaflot | takes a deep breath and downs the flacon in one go |
| 22:42.59 | Gnutoo | petaflot, ok |
| 22:43.00 | Gnutoo | thanks |
| 22:44.36 | petaflot | SpeedEvil: do you have a freerunner too? |
| 22:44.59 | SpeedEvil | No. Only neo1973. |
| 22:45.14 | petaflot | ok.. and what do you run on it? |
| 22:45.33 | SpeedEvil | currently a scaredycat image. |
| 22:45.41 | SpeedEvil | looks around for scaredycat. |
| 22:45.59 | SpeedEvil | (very old) |
| 22:46.11 | petaflot | is it usable? |
| 22:46.32 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 22:46.46 | SpeedEvil | But I have no idea where the images I got are from, and if htey're still there |
| 22:46.53 | SpeedEvil | (or if it's available for FR) |
| 22:47.18 | petaflot | holy moo, I think it worked |
| 22:47.31 | petaflot | -- or not |
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| 22:51.30 | petaflot | really feeling sad |
| 22:54.10 | petaflot | it works, but not really as expected. I believe I cannot use the "boot from sd" entry, then it boots on the nand |
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| 23:03.46 | petaflot | is actually quite happy now. he's started an xterm and it seems to work pretty well |
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| 23:09.47 | Wonka | wtf? |
| 23:10.02 | Wonka | i got udev_124-r10_armv4t.ipk lying around in . |
| 23:10.21 | Wonka | and "opkg -force-reinstall install udev_124-r10_armv4t.ipk" tells me: |
| 23:10.29 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.29 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:11.08 | Tig| | Wonka, try ./udev..... |
| 23:11.31 | Wonka | same. |
| 23:11.58 | Tig| | no idea here then :( |
| 23:12.46 | Wonka | anyway, what i was trying to look at was some messages from udev at boot, complaining about missing groups |
| 23:12.53 | Wonka | like "scanner" |
| 23:13.19 | Tig| | Wonka, which distro is this? |
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| 23:17.36 | Wonka | Tig|: SHR unstable |
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| 23:18.20 | kW | Does anybody know how to get utf-8 support into the openmoko glibc= |
| 23:18.22 | kW | Does anybody know how to get utf-8 support into the openmoko glibc? |
| 23:21.57 | quatrox1 | how can I make the display stay on and with bg light over time? |
| 23:22.21 | quatrox1 | SHR |
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| 23:27.03 | Tig| | quatrox1, I know where the it is in the settings but I don't think it works |
| 23:27.37 | Tig| | the settings is under the little spanner logo in the top left when you bring town the options at the top of the screen |
| 23:27.53 | Tig| | it is in the power tab and the screen option if I remember correctly |
| 23:29.22 | quatrox1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.58 | quatrox1 | hmmm |
| 23:30.45 | quatrox1 | blank time was "off", so it does not work |
| 23:30.50 | Tig| | damn |
| 23:34.43 | quatrox1 | hmm |
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| 23:35.31 | quatrox1 | if I loose GPRS connection, I need to reboot |
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| 23:36.08 | rooly | quatrox1, i'm sorry for you |
| 23:36.23 | rooly | is reliably using qtopia 4.3.2 over here |
| 23:36.36 | almien | does gpsd know if the gps is turned on or not? |
| 23:37.04 | rooly | don't think so |
| 23:37.27 | Tig| | would use qtopia but could not see the point as the dirt cheap sony phone next to my freerunner does a better job at just being a phone |
| 23:37.58 | rooly | Tig|, its up to you |
| 23:38.13 | Wonka | phoning is the least i will do with the FR... |
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| 23:39.00 | almien | oh I see I need to read /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron to tell if GPS is on |
| 23:39.03 | quatrox1 | uses his gta only for ssh and im |
| 23:39.16 | Tig| | yeah the way I see it is that qtopia turns my FR into a basic phone and not much else, that isn't quite what I want from the freerunner |
| 23:39.28 | rooly | almien, that's going to change soon, just so you know |
| 23:40.08 | rooly | Tig|, thats not quite true |
| 23:40.09 | Wonka | PDA! GPS! Mobile WWW, IM, IRC access... |
| 23:40.35 | almien | rooly: to what sort of thing? |
| 23:40.48 | rooly | qtopia actually performs the same function as openmoko, shr, fdom, and fso |
| 23:41.00 | rooly | almien, there are going to be userspace kernel changes |
| 23:41.03 | Tig| | just locks you to a sole toolkit |
| 23:41.07 | rooly | yeah |
| 23:41.17 | Tig| | same way as my sony phone locks me to java |
| 23:41.22 | rooly | i mean, it COULD be worse |
| 23:41.51 | rooly | but i mean, if you really felt like it, you could probably write a qt backend for gtk |
| 23:42.02 | SpeedEvil | Not and charge for it |
| 23:42.10 | SpeedEvil | err - ignore me |
| 23:42.20 | rooly | okay |
| 23:42.21 | rooly | we will |
| 23:42.34 | rooly | /ignore SpeedEvil |
| 23:43.14 | SpeedEvil | sets rooly on fir. A 72 foot fir, with blinking decorations. The tree sways alarmingly. |
| 23:43.54 | Wonka | hehe, that's a wooden pita |
| 23:44.50 | almien | rooly: is the gps interface going to be dbus in future? any documents about it? |
| 23:45.48 | rooly | almien, probably not, just its userspace will change under /sys |
| 23:47.32 | almien | same file format, different location? |
| 23:47.45 | rooly | yeah |
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| 23:50.15 | quatrox1 | rooly: IIRC, ogpsd replaces gpsd. That means dbus instead of sockets. (I don't think streams should not go over dbus) |
| 23:51.03 | rooly | then i stand corrected in my decidedly unsure statement |