| 00:00.00 | jonkrist1an | yeah |
| 00:00.12 | jonkrist1an | pretty strange, lol |
| 00:00.16 | Tig| | there is something screwy on your network somewhere |
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| 00:00.46 | Tig| | I did not think it was the wireless security settings though as you could ping the lappy from the FR and vice versa |
| 00:01.24 | jonkrist1an | yeah, you have a point there |
| 00:01.51 | Dave | network gremlins! |
| 00:01.57 | Dave | YOU HAVE THEM |
| 00:02.33 | jonkrist1an | Dave: I do indeed |
| 00:03.22 | jonkrist1an | Dave: strange ones too, I can ping the fr from my laptop, and my laptop from the fr, but the router picks it up as inactive, and there's only local networking. |
| 00:05.31 | Dave | WooOooOOooOooOOoooh |
| 00:05.38 | Dave | WhErE iS iT !? |
| 00:05.41 | Dave | :o |
| 00:05.44 | jonkrist1an | lol |
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| 00:14.14 | jonkrist1an | I really think that the speedtouch thinks my fr is connected via ethernet. |
| 00:14.27 | Tig| | it can't |
| 00:14.31 | jonkrist1an | router picks up unknown on interface |
| 00:14.36 | jonkrist1an | as for my laptop, it says wireless |
| 00:14.48 | jonkrist1an | ok |
| 00:15.14 | Tig| | that info is not sent over tcpip |
| 00:15.29 | Dave | can ya route it, baby? |
| 00:15.34 | Tig| | and it must be seeing it on the wifi or it would not be able to authenticate |
| 00:15.48 | jonkrist1an | yeah, something goes wrong somewhere though |
| 00:15.48 | Tig| | and it must be seeing it somewhere as it is giving it an IP address |
| 00:17.40 | Tig| | oh now this is a very long shot |
| 00:18.30 | Tig| | what about tcp window scaling |
| 00:19.19 | Tig| | I have been bitten on the arse by this before and duff routers |
| 00:19.34 | jonkrist1an | hm |
| 00:19.34 | Tig| | try disabling it on the FR |
| 00:19.47 | lindi- | does udp work then? |
| 00:19.58 | lindi- | before starting to tweak tcp |
| 00:20.19 | jonkrist1an | yes |
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| 00:25.04 | jonkrist1an | ok disabled, i'll try to reconnect now |
| 00:26.46 | jonkrist1an | nah, didn't change a thing |
| 00:26.58 | Tig| | arse |
| 00:27.30 | jonkrist1an | yeah, meh |
| 00:27.38 | jonkrist1an | or rather *sigh* |
| 00:27.40 | Tig| | I might have to leave you with it as it has gone midnight here and I am knackered :( |
| 00:28.05 | jonkrist1an | Yeah, I'll try to browse around tomorrow, maybe find a coffeshop with open network. |
| 00:28.15 | Tig| | it is bloody odd though |
| 00:28.15 | jonkrist1an | thanks for all your help |
| 00:28.19 | jonkrist1an | yeah |
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| 00:28.34 | Tig| | no worrys sorry we could not fix it |
| 00:28.38 | jonkrist1an | I'm almost thinking about calling my isp and have them send me a new modem |
| 00:28.44 | jonkrist1an | yeah, me too |
| 00:29.08 | Tig| | try the FR on a different network first |
| 00:29.17 | jonkrist1an | i feel that alot of things are broken on these modems, flakey stuff. |
| 00:29.55 | Tig| | I generally use linksys for my adsl modems now |
| 00:30.41 | jonkrist1an | mm |
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| 00:30.59 | jonkrist1an | well, i don't have much choice there, they're pre-configured i think |
| 00:31.24 | Tig| | if it is adsl you can just take the details from one and put it on another |
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| 00:31.52 | jonkrist1an | okey, good to know |
| 00:32.30 | Tig| | right I am off, toodle pip |
| 00:32.40 | jonkrist1an | good night |
| 00:32.52 | jonkrist1an | uhm |
| 00:32.53 | jonkrist1an | ok |
| 00:33.04 | jonkrist1an | so now the router sees that the fr is wlan interface |
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| 01:19.56 | igor321 | hi guys i need some help |
| 01:20.06 | igor321 | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2192#comment:3 |
| 01:20.16 | igor321 | i wanna do this |
| 01:20.23 | igor321 | but the site is unavailable |
| 01:20.37 | igor321 | so i'd need those files |
| 01:20.57 | igor321 | someone of you certainly has them |
| 01:21.24 | igor321 | so plz host them someplace so i can get rid of the dreadful qtopia keyboard |
| 01:22.12 | igor321 | 'tis the time of giving |
| 01:22.18 | igor321 | hohohoho |
| 01:23.11 | Dave | that time is over(?) |
| 01:23.47 | igor321 | no it isn't, it lasts till the 6. of january |
| 01:24.59 | igor321 | come on guyz |
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| 01:39.30 | hajmola | anyone know how to get the illume keyboard working in 2008.12? I enabled the illume theme but still have the OM keyboard |
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| 01:48.38 | Dave | Cervajz :) |
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| 03:38.41 | Dave | rooly! :D |
| 03:38.48 | rooly | dave! |
| 03:38.48 | rooly | i rock |
| 03:38.54 | rooly | you know why i rock? |
| 03:39.07 | rooly | cause i've got me a girl in the course of about 3 hours |
| 03:39.21 | Dave | hope it lasts another three :p |
| 03:39.22 | rooly | AND permission from her large 6'3" dad |
| 03:40.02 | Dave | you have to ask her dad for permission? |
| 03:40.13 | rooly | lol, no |
| 03:40.14 | Dave | oh, is that how they do it out there? :p |
| 03:41.16 | rooly | its a little bitty hot-as-hell-with-a-real-cute-accent missisiippi 16 y/o girl |
| 03:41.37 | Dave | haha |
| 03:41.55 | Dave | a.k.a. nazi-chick in training? |
| 03:42.12 | rooly | crack what jokes you like |
| 03:42.15 | rooly | but i still rock |
| 03:42.29 | Dave | high-fives rooly |
| 03:42.45 | Dave | However much you may rock, mister, it still doesn't change any of the facts about the freerunner :( |
| 03:42.55 | Dave | though, if you take my advice, try openvibe on her ;p |
| 03:43.01 | Dave | just make sure to use a phonecondom! |
| 03:43.15 | rooly | lmao |
| 03:43.23 | rooly | i don't have asu installed |
| 03:43.27 | Dave | seriously :P |
| 03:43.40 | rooly | has thought about it before |
| 03:43.49 | kd8ikt | lol i installed openvibe |
| 03:43.54 | kd8ikt | needs a pulse setting |
| 03:44.04 | rooly | i don't think the FR vibration motor is strong enough for that kind of scenario |
| 03:44.04 | Dave | huhu |
| 03:44.17 | Dave | my regular phone is more than sufficient |
| 03:44.19 | rooly | nothing more than a little gag-app |
| 03:44.21 | kd8ikt | yeah my g/f is a fiend and needs a 2 stroke motor |
| 03:44.30 | Dave | haha |
| 03:44.32 | Dave | whore! |
| 03:44.34 | kd8ikt | "engine" |
| 03:44.46 | Dave | the little engine that could? ;D |
| 03:44.48 | Dave | laughs |
| 03:44.51 | kd8ikt | well she needs that after me of course |
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| 03:45.02 | Dave | heh |
| 03:45.12 | kd8ikt | i'm just too good |
| 03:45.17 | Dave | so ruly, of course, you know the next question out of everyone's mouth, right? |
| 03:45.21 | Dave | Hey Ken |
| 03:45.28 | KenYoung | Howdy Dave! |
| 03:45.49 | rooly | erm.. "tits or gtfo!"? |
| 03:45.53 | Dave | hahaha no |
| 03:46.05 | kd8ikt | (.Y.) |
| 03:46.07 | Dave | Does she have a sister? ;p |
| 03:46.13 | rooly | yes |
| 03:46.16 | rooly | 5 |
| 03:46.22 | Dave | HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAA |
| 03:46.32 | Dave | oh man, that just makes it even MORE funny |
| 03:46.41 | rooly | lol |
| 03:46.46 | Dave | haha |
| 03:46.57 | Dave | you're alright rooly, you're alright |
| 03:47.03 | Dave | beers rooly |
| 03:47.09 | rooly | well thanks |
| 03:47.20 | rooly | dave, ever get told to your face that you're good looking? |
| 03:47.20 | Dave | on another topic, we did have a good chat last night |
| 03:47.26 | Dave | Rooly, worse |
| 03:47.28 | rooly | sure did |
| 03:47.41 | rooly | worse how |
| 03:54.04 | StealthCP | he wasn't told :P |
| 03:54.08 | StealthCP | he just knew |
| 03:54.50 | rooly | i am telepathic |
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| 04:37.45 | Quiliro | is it possible to use openmoko on phones not the neo such as kyocera 7135 smartphone? |
| 04:39.15 | cjb | Quiliro: perhaps, if it runs Linux |
| 04:41.33 | Dave | yo cjb |
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| 04:48.04 | Quiliro | cjb: i don't know if it does.....it has a dragonball mz procesor |
| 04:51.12 | raster | then "no |
| 04:51.16 | raster | db is m68k |
| 04:51.21 | raster | while there is a 68k linux port |
| 04:51.24 | raster | good luck |
| 04:51.28 | raster | so basically - no |
| 04:51.56 | mwester | No mmu on a dragonball, IIRC. |
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| 05:28.17 | MichaelShiloh | there is uclinux which doesn't need mmu, but i suspect development has been dead for awhile |
| 05:28.48 | MichaelShiloh | mwester: correct |
| 05:28.52 | cjb | Quiliro: It doesn't make much sense to talk about running openmoko on a phone that can't run Linux. |
| 05:28.59 | cjb | Quiliro: Once you have a phone that runs Linux, ask again :) |
| 05:30.40 | raster | there are phones that have linux "ported" |
| 05:30.43 | raster | and mostly working |
| 05:30.46 | raster | some htc's |
| 05:30.49 | raster | the treo650 |
| 05:30.58 | raster | some hp ipaq+phones |
| 05:31.02 | raster | and a few others |
| 05:31.10 | raster | though not as complete in the working department as the fr |
| 05:31.18 | raster | but the fr is out-of-the-box an open linux platform |
| 05:31.25 | raster | so u'd expecti it to work |
| 05:31.36 | cjb | google g1, perhaps? ;-) |
| 05:32.08 | raster | i soncider android phones "different" |
| 05:32.21 | cjb | why? |
| 05:32.22 | raster | due to their love of wanting to replace so much of a standard linux install |
| 05:32.28 | raster | its pretty much a linux kernel |
| 05:32.28 | raster | and thats it |
| 05:32.35 | raster | different libc |
| 05:32.41 | cjb | oh, sure. but we're talking about capability of hardware, not what the supplied software is |
| 05:32.48 | cjb | many of the phones you cited ship with Windows Mobile |
| 05:32.52 | raster | oh |
| 05:32.55 | raster | sure hw can |
| 05:32.58 | raster | but g1 is an htc phone |
| 05:33.01 | raster | as above |
| 05:33.04 | raster | some htc phones... |
| 05:33.06 | cjb | ah, I forgot about that |
| 05:33.07 | raster | :) |
| 05:33.09 | cjb | true enough :) |
| 05:33.10 | raster | (to varying degrees) |
| 05:33.34 | raster | if u remove the default software u'll have trouble with parts of the hw |
| 05:33.45 | raster | as there are closed drivers onyl for some things liek the gsm/3g radio |
| 05:33.48 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 05:34.09 | mwester | That's a very succinct way to explain the problem with the G1. I very much like that. |
| 05:34.14 | raster | so i would argue its not fully working |
| 05:34.18 | raster | :) |
| 05:34.57 | raster | (as drivers/support for the hw does not fully exist in upstream ekrnel nor existing patches - same with userspace support) |
| 05:35.02 | mwester | And it clearly differentiates the goals for the OM devices, and why those goals matter. |
| 05:35.20 | raster | in fact i'd argue my treo650 is probably better supported by linux :) |
| 05:35.31 | raster | mwester: es |
| 05:35.51 | raster | the freedom to go "well i dont like what you shipped - the kernel you use has awful problem x, or y and iw ant to change that" |
| 05:36.10 | raster | or "i dont like your phone stack - i want to replace it and thus talk directly to the gsm subsystem" |
| 05:36.13 | raster | or graphics |
| 05:36.16 | raster | or sound |
| 05:36.19 | raster | or gps... |
| 05:36.22 | raster | the list goes on |
| 05:36.31 | raster | the freedom to disagree with the default software provided |
| 05:36.35 | raster | and put your own on |
| 05:36.39 | raster | no matter what the thing is |
| 05:37.19 | raster | imho there should be more such open phones |
| 05:37.31 | raster | only rpoblem with om is.. it didnt ship with a fully working os to start with |
| 05:37.45 | raster | so instead of "i dont like the one you provided" |
| 05:37.59 | raster | its more "i havbe no choice but to replace what you provided.. it damn well doesnt even work!" |
| 05:38.03 | raster | :) |
| 05:38.16 | raster | (slight exaggeration - but you get the point) |
| 05:38.33 | cjb | raster: I'd be interested in reading a more thorough writeup of the G1's non-freeness |
| 05:38.52 | raster | cjb: i just have gotten some anecdotes |
| 05:39.00 | raster | but the sgx (graphics accel) is closed |
| 05:39.09 | raster | and there is little hope of it being open |
| 05:39.11 | cjb | ah, that's sad |
| 05:39.18 | cjb | of course, so is the OM's, essentially |
| 05:39.26 | raster | i know the 3g radio has closed bits for accessing it and controlling it |
| 05:39.49 | raster | cjb: actually om's has hope |
| 05:39.52 | raster | om has docs under nda |
| 05:39.53 | mwester | Is the wifi open? |
| 05:40.01 | raster | but its ALLOWED to release source for drivers |
| 05:40.04 | raster | that it writes |
| 05:40.13 | raster | mwester: i know nothing of the g1's wifi one way or another |
| 05:40.16 | raster | :( |
| 05:40.35 | raster | i belive tho that i was told anything that involves kernel drivers has/will have source |
| 05:40.45 | raster | but some things are done out-of-kernel |
| 05:40.57 | raster | (libgl.so, the 3g stuff etc.) |
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| 08:28.45 | gambler | how do I open my freerunner to insert the battery? |
| 08:29.17 | gambler | ah found it |
| 08:37.02 | gambler | my microSD cover wont latch |
| 08:37.52 | dns53 | it does not need to |
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| 08:38.13 | Aciid | gambler: insert the µSD and press it down |
| 08:38.18 | Aciid | it will lock |
| 08:39.28 | gambler | mine doesnt |
| 08:40.42 | Aciid | did you insert the card correctly |
| 08:41.09 | Aciid | if its the wrong way in, it wont fit and that way wont even lock |
| 08:41.26 | gambler | i think so...on mine it loooks like one of the little pits close to the battery pit is bent |
| 08:41.37 | gambler | s/pits/pins |
| 08:42.41 | gambler | wow...i think the phone koolu sent me has a manufacturing defect |
| 08:42.48 | gambler | god i run bad |
| 08:42.54 | Aciid | that may just be the case |
| 08:43.01 | Aciid | did you get warranty of any kind? |
| 08:43.47 | gambler | i doubti t |
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| 08:47.47 | dns53 | there is a 14 day warranty |
| 08:54.49 | gambler | no good for me im in australia...i just scraped away a bit of glue where the wires connect and its shutting now |
| 08:56.21 | gambler | so is the OS on the microSD card or is there also an internal flash storage? |
| 08:58.01 | dns53 | internal though you can dual boot of the sd |
| 08:58.34 | gambler | ive got a working SIM card in there and it says "no network" |
| 08:58.48 | gambler | on the plus side, i think this touchscreen is better than my G1 |
| 08:59.45 | dns53 | yeah the default image sucks, flash qtopia if you want just a phone |
| 09:00.06 | gambler | im an android devel, so ill be sticking that on as soon as I learn how |
| 09:00.42 | dns53 | you need to flash and change uboot or install the qi boot loader |
| 09:01.31 | gambler | is there a webpage that tells you how to do that? |
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| 09:02.26 | dns53 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 09:02.35 | gambler | yu |
| 09:02.36 | gambler | ty |
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| 10:27.51 | raynet | hi |
| 10:28.01 | raynet | ups |
| 10:28.04 | raynet | wrong channel |
| 10:28.14 | raynet | i was trying to be idle here |
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| 10:31.25 | dns53 | tried and failed |
| 10:32.30 | igor321 | IDLE FAIL |
| 10:33.39 | raynet | going to try again next year |
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| 10:34.37 | Mortak | hi |
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| 10:47.46 | king | I downloaded the latest kernel and rootfs from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/. I am using SHR on my freerunner. When I go to Settings > all options say unknown. |
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| 10:48.24 | king | I don't even get any network. |
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| 10:50.51 | viq | king: reboot, try again |
| 10:52.18 | king | viq, Rebooted, GSM, Bluetooth, Brightness, etc everything unknown. Mofi also crashes. while booting I got a lot messages like udevd (#number) lookup group users '<name>' unknown. |
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| 10:55.41 | king | someone? |
| 10:56.00 | king | Do you know of a place where SHR users / developers are active? |
| 10:56.38 | viq | You already tried the other channel, so no |
| 10:56.39 | dns53 | there is a devel channel, #openmoko-devel or something |
| 10:56.42 | viq | Well, mailing list |
| 10:57.26 | king | dns53, you mean #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 10:58.19 | dns53 | probably |
| 10:59.19 | king | viq, Could you help me with usb-networking? I can ping my openmoko all right, but when I try to login with ssh root@192.168.0.202 I it says 'host key verification failed'. I have flashed the phone with SHR just now. |
| 11:00.43 | viq | king: ssh-keygen -R 192.168.0.202 |
| 11:02.04 | king | viq, thanks :) |
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| 11:04.21 | Mortak | omg!! my gprs card arrived!! yay! |
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| 11:16.23 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 11:17.27 | leachim_dot_eu | hi |
| 11:17.29 | leachim_dot_eu | ^^ |
| 11:18.17 | nio_ | heya |
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| 11:24.56 | BluesLee | hi, the illume theme on 2008.12 is very unstable for me, can someone confirm this? |
| 11:25.49 | Mortak | BluesLee: if you disable dropshadow it works much better |
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| 11:28.16 | BluesLee | Mortak: thanx, there are some hints in the community updates |
| 11:28.51 | king | Tig|, HI! :) |
| 11:29.12 | Tig| | morning |
| 11:29.19 | BluesLee | Mortak: another problem is that there are two kbds |
| 11:29.21 | king | Tig|, Evening :) |
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| 11:30.15 | Mortak | BluesLee: two? |
| 11:30.26 | Mortak | BluesLee: than you can type much faster ;) |
| 11:30.29 | BluesLee | Mortak: the qt on and the illume one |
| 11:30.35 | king | Tig|, I open Midori on SHR, I get warning you are using a SU account! Is it because I am logged in via ssh at the same time? |
| 11:30.52 | king | Tig|, Is there something I can do to make that message bar disappear from Midori? |
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| 11:31.28 | Mortak | BluesLee: hmm, sorry, i dont know what to do, normally there should be only one |
| 11:32.06 | Tig| | King, no and don't think so :) |
| 11:32.54 | Tig| | King, the FR runs everything as root, not ideal but there we are. Therefore when you load midori you are using a superuser account |
| 11:33.00 | Tig| | so it bleats at you |
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| 11:33.38 | Tig| | unless the status bar option is not in the view menu then I don't know how to disable it, don't use midori much |
| 11:34.08 | king | Tig|, Which browser do you use? I to have switched to SHR. |
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| 11:34.31 | Tig| | well I don't really use the browser on it |
| 11:34.53 | Tig| | I have played with midori and it seems ok |
| 11:35.15 | king | Tig|, I got the latest images from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ shr-image-om-gta02.jiffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin. |
| 11:35.37 | king | Tig|, But in settings > GSM, Bluetooth, Brightness, etc everything unknown. Mofi also crashes. while booting I got a lot messages like udevd (#number) lookup group users '<name>' unknown. |
| 11:35.38 | Tig| | cool |
| 11:35.59 | Tig| | odd |
| 11:36.09 | king | Tig|, This folder http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/, just has the kernel, do I use the rootfs shr-image-om-gta02.jiffs2 from the images/neo1973 folder? |
| 11:36.47 | Tig| | the rootfs comes from the neo1973 folder |
| 11:37.03 | Tig| | I am just trying to remember which kernel image I used |
| 11:37.24 | Tig| | actually, just run opkg update and opkg upgrade and update everything :) |
| 11:37.30 | Tig| | see if that fixes it :) |
| 11:37.36 | Tig| | you will need to reboot after |
| 11:37.53 | king | Tig|, Could it be because I used the kernel from the neo1973 folder? Would opkg upgrade also fix mismatched kernels b/we neo1973 and GTA02?! |
| 11:39.04 | Tig| | well opkg did not used to do kernels but I am damn sure when I updated last it did pull one down |
| 11:39.54 | kd8ikt | i wonder if joergs last name is beyer |
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| 11:40.44 | Deubeuliou | #freenode-newyears : help Freenode people benchmarking their chatwidth |
| 11:42.14 | king | Tig|, updated / upgraded with Collected errors: |
| 11:42.15 | king | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.15 | king | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.17 | king | Tig|, Should I get worried? |
| 11:42.23 | Tig| | nope did that here |
| 11:42.41 | Tig| | you will need to reboot after the upgrade |
| 11:42.57 | Tig| | go onto the main screen click the top bar and then the big x |
| 11:43.05 | Tig| | then you will get a shutdown menu |
| 11:43.25 | king | Tig|, And if that doesn't work, I should get the kernel from images/om-gta02 for SHR? |
| 11:43.37 | Tig| | yeah try that |
| 11:43.58 | king | Tig|, Do you like SHR the most of all distros? |
| 11:44.02 | Tig| | oh it takes a minute or so after booting for phone apps and anything to do with the SIM to start working |
| 11:44.27 | Tig| | I think SHR is getting to be the closest to what most people were expecting with the FR |
| 11:45.09 | king | Tig|, Is SHR what OM was hinting at when they said that the major update after OM2008.12 would take FSO as the backend and build on top of that? |
| 11:45.33 | Tig| | QT although has a more mature phone apps is only any use if you want to run QT apps and is setup as a phone only and not a mulifunction smartphone |
| 11:46.06 | Tig| | That was my impression, basically they need to adopt the FSO framework to bring stability to the the image |
| 11:46.23 | king | Tig|, QT doesn't let OM hardware shine through in any way. |
| 11:46.39 | Tig| | yeah it just turns it into a very dull basic phone |
| 11:47.36 | Tig| | I still think that SHR needs a Start screen like the old OM2007 image |
| 11:48.15 | Tig| | right I am going to have to head off, I need to hunt down some charcoal and meat for the new year bbq |
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| 11:48.30 | king | Tig|, There is no GPS in settings inside SHR. Is it always on / handled by Tango? |
| 11:48.39 | admiral0 | Tig| i agree about the start screen |
| 11:48.59 | king | Tig|, I get no GPS fonud. |
| 11:49.11 | admiral0 | king: SHR Settings will be soon finished and included in the image |
| 11:49.15 | Tig| | king, the FSO back end handles all that and turns it on and off when needed |
| 11:49.51 | Tig| | if Tangogps cannot see the GPS then I think you will need to flash that other kernel |
| 11:50.18 | Tig| | oh bugger going to need a lot of charcoal |
| 11:50.28 | Tig| | temp is going to be -5 |
| 11:51.06 | king | Tig|, the kernel available in images/om-gta02 folder? Should that bring up a GPS option inside the Settings> menuL |
| 11:51.10 | king | Tig|, *? |
| 11:51.26 | king | Tig|, Would you recommend trying the unstable images? |
| 11:52.25 | king | Tig|,Does uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin always get the latest kernel or should i select a kernel depending on Date with uImage-2.6.24.oe3+gitrfb*? |
| 11:52.30 | king | Tig|, That is some cold weather! |
| 11:52.31 | Tig| | king, you don't need a GPS option, all that is handled for you, if TangoGPS is saying that there is no GPS available then I think you need the other kernel |
| 11:52.58 | Tig| | the one with latest in the name should always be the newest |
| 11:53.23 | Mortak | any germans with a "simyo grps 1gb "flat"" here? |
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| 11:54.20 | king | Tig|, Would you know why the images/gta-02 folder doesn't have any rootfs? |
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| 11:56.58 | king | Tig|, I think I had the same kernel before, anyways flashing it to the kernel from images/gta-02 folder. |
| 11:57.13 | king | Tig|, The only place where I got GPS working was with FDOM |
| 11:59.41 | jonkristian | hai |
| 12:00.50 | Tig| | king, if the rootfs image you flashed had gta02 in the name it will be fine |
| 12:01.23 | Tig| | afternoon jonkristian any joy with the network |
| 12:02.04 | jonkristian | Tig|: no joy yet, except the modeme had recognized the phone to be wlan device in the end, but it still considered it unactive. |
| 12:02.23 | jonkristian | Tig|: im going for a walk down to the coffeeshop soon:) |
| 12:02.57 | Tig| | jonkristian, sounds like a plan :) I would also see if anyone can lend you a different router just to test |
| 12:03.10 | jokerfox | if hai == shark: print Norweigian =) |
| 12:03.23 | jonkristian | jokerfox: hehe |
| 12:03.26 | jokerfox | :) |
| 12:03.51 | jonkristian | DÃ¥rlig vane det der:/ |
| 12:03.55 | king | Tig|, Flashed new kernel, rebooted, TangoGPS says no gps found. How do I test whether GPS is on? |
| 12:04.12 | king | Tig|, Shouldn't there be an option in the settings menu like 2008.12 to toggle it? |
| 12:04.24 | SpeedEvil | cat /dev/ttySAC1 I might suggest |
| 12:04.29 | SpeedEvil | has no clue |
| 12:04.29 | Tig| | no there is no option as it is handled by the framework |
| 12:04.37 | Tig| | SpeedEvil, that is an idea |
| 12:04.55 | Tig| | see if there is anyoutput |
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| 12:07.21 | king | Tig|, You mean through the SSH? The command just sits there nothing is displayed not even the next command prompt to key in new commands. Should I ctrl-C it? |
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| 12:08.08 | Tig| | yeah |
| 12:08.14 | king | Tig|, Terminated it and re-executed the command, it still sits there. |
| 12:08.17 | king | Terminated again |
| 12:08.34 | Tig| | hang on let me get mine set up so I can debug' |
| 12:08.54 | king | Tig|, root@om-gta02 /dev $ file ttySAC1 |
| 12:08.55 | king | ttySAC1: character special (204/65) |
| 12:10.58 | king | Tig|, Is the filemanager inside SHR the old GTK app? This is the first time I have seen a gnome-style app here :) |
| 12:11.12 | Tig| | yeah that is a GTK app |
| 12:12.18 | Tig| | king, erm |
| 12:12.28 | Tig| | I think I know what the problem is |
| 12:12.38 | king | Tig|, hm? |
| 12:12.41 | Gilly | i left my freerunner on the table in suspend for the last night and this morning the device wouldn't respond at all... in the end i took the battery off and was able to boot, any ideas? |
| 12:12.47 | Gilly | (i'm using SHR) |
| 12:13.31 | Tig| | the last update knackered GPS I am getting the same here :) |
| 12:13.32 | king | Gilly, First time I flashed SHR, today and in the very first reboot, a similar thing happened. |
| 12:13.32 | king | Tig|, ^ I thought you said yesterday that resume works on SHR? |
| 12:13.32 | admiral0 | Gilly : shit happens |
| 12:13.32 | Gilly | :) |
| 12:13.42 | Gilly | well the same happened the night before |
| 12:13.46 | king | Tig|, Do I just need an older kernel or also an older rootfs? |
| 12:13.51 | Gilly | though i don't remember if it was SHR or OM 2008.12 back then |
| 12:13.58 | Tig| | king, it does usually or it was here, it worked overnight here |
| 12:14.09 | admiral0 | Gilly : try SHR unstable. maybe there that issue is solved |
| 12:14.25 | Gilly | but yea, taking the battery off and putting it back again solved the thing |
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| 12:14.58 | king | hiciu, They were looking for you on #openmoko-cdevel |
| 12:15.26 | Gilly | another thing i noticed this morning was that when i entered the settings manager without having entered the pin yet and turned gsm on every entry in the settings manager turned to "unknown" instead off "off" or "on" |
| 12:15.35 | Gilly | (included gsm) |
| 12:15.40 | Gilly | *including |
| 12:15.49 | Gilly | admiral0: yea could go for it |
| 12:15.50 | admiral0 | that's ok |
| 12:16.02 | king | Tig|, There are 25Nov and 8Dec kernels available. Or should I get the latest in the unstable branch?! |
| 12:16.09 | admiral0 | shr settings needs frameworkd running |
| 12:16.21 | Gilly | ah |
| 12:17.29 | king | There are only shr-lite images inside http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/, Should I get ones from images/neo1973? |
| 12:17.52 | Gilly | admiral0: well i'm using the latest images, are you suggesting to use the git repository instead or? |
| 12:18.04 | hiciu | king: ok, thx |
| 12:18.21 | king | hiciu, :) |
| 12:19.14 | Gilly | admiral0: ahh... just was looking at the wrong directory... didn't see the link for unstable in the trac |
| 12:19.20 | jokerfox | opkg install gpsd tangogps && echo 'GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1"' > /etc/default/gpsd |
| 12:19.41 | jokerfox | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.04 | king | Deos anyone else have their GPS broken with the latest SHR images? |
| 12:20.32 | dns53 | does it use gpsd or fso-gpsd? |
| 12:20.32 | jokerfox | hmm, thought it was om2008.12 you where talking about, sorry |
| 12:21.37 | king | jokerfox, Would all the /etc/init.d scripts not work in FSO-backed SHR? |
| 12:21.43 | king | dns53, I don't know. |
| 12:22.15 | jonkristian | Tig|: wish me luck then, going to check out some ap's close by now:) |
| 12:22.17 | Tig| | hang on there is a bug in fso-gpsd |
| 12:22.23 | Tig| | jonkristian, have fun |
| 12:25.23 | Mortak | king: try this diff, it helped me a few minutes ago "http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=patches/fso-gpsd/0001-fix-initscript-breakage-for-fso-gpsd.patch;h=90d1d0087a5b549c3f3a41f331cef1dd46chttp://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=patches/fso-gpsd/0001-fix-initscript-breakage-for-fso-gpsd.patch;h=90d1d0087a5b549c3f3a41f331cef1dd46c2995b;hb=fc68115032b879244092f0b06f74c7c8087b81bd"2995b;hb=fc68115032b879244092 |
| 12:25.23 | Mortak | f0b06f74c7c8087b81bd |
| 12:25.41 | king | Mortak, For the GPS? What command is that! |
| 12:25.41 | Mortak | bumbl helped me :) |
| 12:26.21 | Mortak | king: just replace the "start-stop-daemon --start /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -S localhost:gpsd -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid" part with "start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S localhost:gpsd -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid" |
| 12:27.13 | king | Mortak, You are putting the cart before the horse here! I don't get a think. Where do I replace that part? What was the first long and scary command? |
| 12:27.42 | Mortak | king: sorry :) |
| 12:27.47 | king | Morphous, Tig|, I flashed to the 8Dec kernel from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/, still no GPS found |
| 12:27.52 | king | Mortak, ^ |
| 12:27.55 | king | Morphous, Sorry |
| 12:28.00 | Mortak | king: do you have problems starting your /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd ? |
| 12:28.20 | Zorkman | King: it's because there is a bug that it is not auto-started |
| 12:28.23 | Zorkman | fix is in the git |
| 12:28.27 | Tig| | king right the fso-gpsd file has a bug in it |
| 12:28.37 | Tig| | you can fix it by editing the file |
| 12:28.38 | king | Mortak, I do not know. I have not tried it. All I know is that when I go to TangoGPS it says no GPS found. |
| 12:28.42 | king | Zorkman, That explains stuff. |
| 12:28.45 | Zorkman | [13:18] <bumbl> http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=patches/fso-gpsd/0001-fix-initscript-breakage-for-fso-gpsd.patch;h=90d1d0087a5b549c3f3a41f331cef1dd46c2995b;hb=fc68115032b879244092f0b06f74c7c8087b81bd <- the diff |
| 12:29.01 | king | Zorkman, Please bear with me. What is the diff? |
| 12:29.02 | Mortak | king: try "/etc/init.d/fso-gpsd" |
| 12:29.09 | king | Mortak, through SSH? |
| 12:29.17 | Mortak | king: yes sir :) |
| 12:29.32 | gambler | hey guys...just reading this regarding getting android wokring on my new freerunner: |
| 12:29.36 | gambler | http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34 |
| 12:29.45 | gambler | it says to partition the Sdcard |
| 12:29.49 | Tig| | king, are you ok with vi ? |
| 12:29.50 | king | Mortak, Zorkman This has got to do with the kernel I am using or the rootfs. I just downgraded the kernel to the one that was released on 8 Dec in hopes of getting it working? |
| 12:29.59 | king | Tig|, yes! |
| 12:30.02 | Tig| | king this is nothing to do with the kernel |
| 12:30.16 | gambler | how do I do that, do I need a mini-usb to USB keyboard adapter to plugin a keyboard? |
| 12:30.28 | Tig| | via SSH : vi /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd |
| 12:30.30 | king | Tig|, So do I need a fixed rootfs? |
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| 12:30.50 | Tig| | king no just edit this one file |
| 12:31.18 | Mortak | ^^ |
| 12:32.04 | Tig| | and find the line that reads: |
| 12:32.19 | Tig| | start-stop-daemon --start /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -S localhost:gpsd -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid |
| 12:32.35 | Tig| | it will be directly below the line that says Starting GPS daemon |
| 12:32.40 | king | Mortak, /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd |
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| 12:32.59 | king | Mortak, /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start |
| 12:32.59 | king | Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop-daemon: invalid option -- P |
| 12:33.04 | king | Tig|, ^ is that the issue? |
| 12:33.11 | Tig| | king YES |
| 12:33.14 | Mortak | king: yeah, right, you need this fix |
| 12:33.18 | Tig| | now change that line to : start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S localhost:gpsd -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid |
| 12:33.38 | king | Tig|, Before I do that, should I upgrade to the latest kernel? Because I downgraded a minute ago. |
| 12:33.50 | Tig| | king, no don't worry about that at the moment |
| 12:34.03 | king | Tig|, This file will be preserved when I update the kernel? |
| 12:34.06 | Tig| | yes |
| 12:34.09 | king | Tig|, ok. |
| 12:34.31 | Tig| | and the fix is already in git so it should not break when you update |
| 12:35.57 | king | Tig|, I just had to put in --exec at the right place? |
| 12:36.12 | Tig| | and the -- |
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| 12:36.24 | king | Tig|, yes, will I need to reboot, or can I trigger a script? |
| 12:36.24 | Tig| | after fso-gpsd |
| 12:36.34 | king | Tig|, Yes I got that '--' |
| 12:36.42 | Tig| | just save it and /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start |
| 12:36.54 | Tig| | and it should say ok |
| 12:37.02 | Tig| | if you have done it right :) |
| 12:37.12 | Tig| | and suddenly your gps will be working |
| 12:37.23 | king | Tig|, Yes the no GPS option is gone, it will get a fix soon, THanks! :) |
| 12:37.29 | king | Tig|, *message is gone |
| 12:37.32 | Mortak | ^^ yay! |
| 12:37.32 | Tig| | no problem :) |
| 12:37.59 | king | Tig|, Now should I update the latest kernel also? |
| 12:38.09 | king | Tig|, Would you also tell me the Ninja stuff with diff? What was it? |
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| 12:40.47 | Tig| | all a diff is a way of automatically patching a file it is the *diff*erence between two versions of the file you apply a diff with the patch command usually |
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| 12:47.29 | king | Tig|, Do I need to read and apply these also? http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Tweaks |
| 12:47.40 | king | Tig|, Or are they outdated / redundant? |
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| 12:50.16 | king | This is about usb_networking. Whenever I connect my Neo. I run: |
| 12:50.23 | king | root@lear:~# iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 12:50.24 | king | root@lear:~# sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 12:50.24 | king | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 12:50.24 | king | root@lear:~# ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 |
| 12:50.24 | king | root@lear:~# ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 12:50.30 | king | Are all these steps required everytime? |
| 12:53.06 | king | Can I use pre-downloaded google maps with Tango GPS? |
| 12:53.25 | bartv | the iptables and sysctl are for internet support |
| 12:54.09 | bartv | of the ip and ifconfig commands i think you can just use one |
| 12:54.55 | king | bartv, both are required for me to be able to ping the Neo. |
| 12:55.43 | bartv | have you tried skipping the ip one? |
| 12:55.55 | king | No I have tried skipping the ifconfig one and it doesn't work |
| 12:56.01 | king | How would I copy a song to my freerunner from my desktop? |
| 12:56.36 | bartv | it could be that the usb0 device is not up and the ifconfig command makes it up |
| 12:56.51 | king | bartv, Yes, likely. |
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| 12:57.29 | king | bartv, Would you tell me how to copy a file from my ubuntu laptop to the freerunner? |
| 12:57.36 | bartv | king: i can't help you with the song copying |
| 12:57.53 | bartv | you could try scp command |
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| 13:00.20 | king | bartv, Yes it works. Thanks! |
| 13:00.38 | king | Thank you people. You have been very welcoming of a novice like me! |
| 13:00.42 | king | Tig|, Special thanks to you. |
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| 13:03.15 | Tig| | no problem, sorry I had just popped off to make a cup of tea |
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| 13:09.13 | gambler | can I install android and the qi bootloader in a single step> |
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| 13:27.37 | king | I am trying to transfer files via sftp to the Neo. If I say sftp://root:@192.168.0.202, I get the message sftp://root:@192.168.0.202 |
| 13:27.54 | king | *I get the message Cannot connect to 192.168.0.202: Connection refused |
| 13:28.18 | Tig| | I don't think sftp is supported by default you can use scp instead |
| 13:29.11 | king | Tig|, oh, the wiki page said I could use it, so I thought it must be there by default. |
| 13:30.04 | king | Tig|, I am looking at this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_a_Mass_storage_device, it says I need to make two scripts, what would be a good place to save those scripts in the Neo? |
| 13:30.15 | da_flo | Hi. How do I allow several instances of the same program to be launched at the same time with Om ? (I tried the SingleInstance param in the .desktop files, didn't help) |
| 13:31.12 | gambler | eh...how can I get a console up on my freerunner? |
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| 13:32.02 | Tig| | gambler, using which distro? |
| 13:32.30 | gambler | Tig|, the default that came with my phone. Im trying to get android onto it |
| 13:32.36 | gambler | just getting started |
| 13:32.58 | Tig| | king, does not matter really, if you are going to to execute them often then either in your path or in your home dir. |
| 13:33.26 | Tig| | gambler, by console do you mean the nor boot one for flashing images? |
| 13:33.37 | king | Tig|, Do you know if the prebuild android images of koolu are more complete or Sean's? |
| 13:33.56 | Tig| | if so power down the phone, hold down the alt button on the top left of the phone and power it on |
| 13:34.18 | Tig| | king, no idea not played with android yet |
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| 13:34.55 | Dave | Tig :P |
| 13:35.13 | gambler | Tig|, this page says I need to format the SDCard: http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34 |
| 13:35.23 | Tig| | Dave! |
| 13:35.24 | gambler | I dont see how i can type those commands with the software keyboard |
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| 13:35.38 | Tig| | with the 2007 keyboard? |
| 13:35.42 | gambler | yep |
| 13:35.54 | Tig| | gambler, ssh in using USB networking |
| 13:36.28 | Tig| | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking |
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| 13:36.48 | Tig| | the 2007 keyboard is erm *special* |
| 13:37.04 | Tig| | Dave likes the 2007 keyboard though |
| 13:37.53 | gambler | Tig|, ty |
| 13:37.58 | Dave | :P |
| 13:38.58 | king | If someone is willing, I would love to be assisted in setting up android as described here, http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34? |
| 13:39.58 | gambler | Tig|, it says: |
| 13:40.00 | gambler | sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 13:40.00 | gambler | sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 13:40.06 | gambler | those devices dont exist for me |
| 13:40.07 | king | gambler, But you don't have the second partition. |
| 13:40.26 | gambler | i dont have the first either as far as i can see |
| 13:40.38 | gambler | how do i create those partitions |
| 13:40.40 | king | gambler, Even I am trying to set this thing up. Let us team up. Though I don't know how that would help, given my lack of knowledge. |
| 13:40.43 | king | gambler, Ubuntu? |
| 13:40.46 | gambler | er..whats the device they are created on |
| 13:40.56 | gambler | king: sure - go team |
| 13:41.11 | king | You could go into gparted and make two partitions. Though we need someone to tell us what size. |
| 13:41.27 | gambler | on what device do we create the partitions |
| 13:42.03 | king | gambler, Is the usb card mounted in your system? |
| 13:42.28 | gambler | king, i just setup usb networking and i have a console inside the phone |
| 13:42.43 | gambler | via ssh |
| 13:42.55 | king | Can someone help us please? We are trying to setup android on the Neo as described here, http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34?, how big are those two partitions? |
| 13:43.06 | king | gambler, We have hit a road block already, let us wait for someone. |
| 13:43.16 | king | gambler, Did you check that forum post for replies? |
| 13:43.38 | gambler | king, we can just make the partitions the size of the respective files |
| 13:43.45 | gambler | i just dont see those two devices |
| 13:43.49 | king | gambler, I heard that the koolu android image doesn't suspend but sean's does. |
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| 13:44.06 | gambler | right |
| 13:44.28 | king | gambler, If I understand correctly there are no files to put in there, the actual kernel / rootfs according to the koolu post is flashed to our phones. |
| 13:44.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4881 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu_init/ (boot_image.png boots.png freerunner.edc): |
| 13:44.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: [illume-theme] Replace boots.png with boot_image |
| 13:44.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Replace the boots image with a black screen saying openmoko and |
| 13:44.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: update the edc source file to reference the other image. |
| 13:44.53 | c13 | usually you need a 8 mb of fat16 and the rest should be ext2, though i'm not familiar with android |
| 13:45.21 | gambler | c13, when i ls /dev i dont see /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 13:46.02 | king | gambler, I think we have more on are plate than we can eat! |
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| 13:46.08 | king | gambler, *our |
| 13:46.08 | c13 | it might be known as sdb or sda, but be careful, your hdd can also be that |
| 13:46.17 | king | c13, :) |
| 13:46.28 | c13 | also look for mmcblk0 |
| 13:46.54 | king | c13, Have you tried sean's or koolu's android images? Do you know which one takes me farther? |
| 13:47.22 | c13 | no, i haven't. i prefer hackable:1 ;) |
| 13:47.26 | gambler | king do you have those files in your /dev/ directory? just wondering if my sd card is not working |
| 13:47.29 | c13 | that's not android |
| 13:47.35 | gambler | i had problems before with it |
| 13:47.48 | king | c13, What do you mean, it is not android? |
| 13:48.00 | king | gambler, Dosen't your distro automount SD cards? |
| 13:48.02 | c13 | sorry. i meant hackable:1 is not android |
| 13:48.16 | king | c13, oh ok. |
| 13:48.27 | gambler | king, i just got this phone. it has the standard distro of whatever it was they shipped me |
| 13:48.40 | king | gambler, I am a day older than you! |
| 13:49.47 | gambler | this is what I am getting: |
| 13:49.50 | gambler | root@om-gta02:/dev# df |
| 13:49.50 | gambler | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 13:49.50 | gambler | rootfs 252544 46984 205560 19% / |
| 13:49.50 | gambler | /dev/root 252544 46984 205560 19% / |
| 13:49.50 | gambler | tmpfs 40 0 40 0% /mnt/.psplash |
| 13:49.51 | gambler | /dev/root 252544 46984 205560 19% /dev/.static/dev |
| 13:49.53 | gambler | udev 2048 64 1984 3% /dev |
| 13:49.55 | gambler | tmpfs 63128 280 62848 0% /var/volatile |
| 13:49.57 | gambler | tmpfs 63128 40 63088 0% /dev/shm |
| 13:50.09 | gambler | help? |
| 13:50.30 | c13 | what are you looking for, gambler? |
| 13:51.13 | igor321 | check this out in the paroli docs? http://git.openmoko.org/?p=paroli.git;a=blob;f=docs/backend_feature_list;h=12ba5efd09b1fe085ab9c05d4c7684807aaec3ba;hb=24aff81efc6424dddcd067e3819b6291e3378509 |
| 13:51.14 | gambler | c13, the koolu forum webpage says to format the sdcard |
| 13:51.18 | gambler | c13, sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 13:51.18 | gambler | sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 13:51.25 | gambler | i dont see those devices in my /dev |
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| 13:51.33 | igor321 | why are people considering compiz there? |
| 13:51.39 | igor321 | is that for gta03? |
| 13:51.40 | c13 | have you created partitions first? |
| 13:51.41 | igor321 | interesting |
| 13:51.58 | gambler | c13, no. i dont know the name of the device to create the partitions on |
| 13:52.08 | c13 | and btw you should be doing those stuff with your sd card plugged into your computer |
| 13:52.22 | gambler | my computer has no sdcard slot |
| 13:52.31 | c13 | any card reader? |
| 13:52.52 | king | gambler, That is what I meant. |
| 13:53.11 | king | c13, Do you know whether sean's or koolu's android image are better? |
| 13:53.24 | c13 | still no ;) |
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| 13:53.51 | gambler | c13, no i guess i will have to buy one |
| 13:54.10 | gambler | i cant do it through the freerunner huh...damn |
| 13:54.36 | c13 | may be you cold use your phone as a card reader, not sure |
| 13:54.43 | king | gambler, I am giving up. Atleast till they bring up android to something usable! |
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| 13:55.23 | gambler | king, you might want to buy a G1..its alot more advanced |
| 13:55.36 | king | gambler, Wouldn't say that kind of thing in this channel :) |
| 13:55.55 | c13 | king, lookup hackable1.org it is a nice debian + gnome based stuff, which is really easy to install |
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| 13:56.17 | gambler | why not? its true. this isnt pravda |
| 13:56.30 | king | c13, Do you know if I can use google maps downloaded offline for TangoGPS? |
| 13:57.03 | gambler | i want to get my code working on openmoko but i can see my G1 is way better |
| 13:57.27 | c13 | i don't know, i've never tried |
| 13:58.19 | king | gambler, Yes it has got faster data connection, camera and a HW kbd which openmoko doesn't have. Plus android on G1 is consumer grade OS, and you already know how OM is by now :) |
| 13:59.01 | lindi- | king: google maps sounds non-free :) |
| 13:59.17 | gambler | there is a thing called openstreetmap |
| 14:00.15 | king | OM existed way before the iphone and way way before android, they were developing the OS since then. I like to believe apple stole the design of the phone from openmoko and got some talented focused developers to work and you know what the iphone is capable of. Google came in with android and in 6 months got a far far better OS together on a consumer grade phone than openmoko. |
| 14:00.34 | king | lindi-, I have used google maps downloaded on windows mobile, so it can be done. |
| 14:01.01 | lindi- | king: but it is non-free still :) |
| 14:01.29 | king | lindi-, Google maps? It doesn't say anywhere that we can't download the images for offline use afaik. |
| 14:01.52 | lindi- | king: DFSG covers much more than private use |
| 14:02.01 | SpeedEvil | google maps can be downloaded - and have been - though I don't know how. |
| 14:02.03 | mjr | king, I believe it does, and even if it didn't, it'd still be non-free |
| 14:02.19 | SpeedEvil | However, google explicitly forbids this use in their AUP, and IP bans people over it |
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| 14:04.03 | king | SpeedEvil, I just need a city, they won't know what hit them! |
| 14:04.34 | SpeedEvil | what city? |
| 14:05.47 | king | SpeedEvil, It is a noname, Not in the open street maps. |
| 14:06.22 | SpeedEvil | A city with no name! |
| 14:06.28 | Tig| | http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=no+name&sll=52.222099,-2.370187&sspn=0.007295,0.022745&g=no+name&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FV9HdQEd3VdCBw&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr |
| 14:06.29 | SpeedEvil | Have you tried browsing to the location? |
| 14:07.27 | dns53 | the tango gps faq has some info about using google maps witout filling in all the dots |
| 14:08.04 | king | dns53, I will check that, thanks! |
| 14:08.15 | SpeedEvil | Have you tried browsing to the location on OSM? |
| 14:08.26 | SpeedEvil | The namefinder database isn't always accurate. |
| 14:08.34 | Tig| | hmm I need to do some openstreetmapping around here |
| 14:09.00 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: just do the surrounding 12000Km, and leave the rest for others. |
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| 14:09.22 | Tig| | my road is on but 33% of the roads in the town are missing! |
| 14:09.31 | Tig| | they only have 2 roads mapped and there are 3 |
| 14:09.36 | Dave | you must live in the middle of nowhere :p |
| 14:09.56 | Tig| | Not quite there is a pub 213 meters awayy |
| 14:10.19 | Tig| | has all required civic amenities |
| 14:10.33 | Tig| | with a red phone box and a postbox |
| 14:10.40 | king | :) |
| 14:10.40 | Dave | :p |
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| 14:11.14 | lindi- | hmm, i have both maximum volume in ringtone and vibrator but i still manage to miss calls while cycling around the city |
| 14:11.14 | Tm_T | Tig|: go ahead and map it |
| 14:11.26 | dns53 | you could fix osm by recording your traces from tango gps |
| 14:11.29 | king | Do any of you have trouble getting a GPS fix indoors? |
| 14:11.37 | lindi- | logs show that the phone woke up from suspend and adjusted volume |
| 14:11.38 | king | I am not using any SD card on my NEO. |
| 14:11.40 | Tig| | Tm_T, I will but it is bloody cold here today |
| 14:11.45 | lindi- | king: surely it does not work indoors |
| 14:11.48 | Tm_T | king: well gps requires visual contact |
| 14:11.52 | Tm_T | kinda |
| 14:11.56 | jernst | hello, does someone know how to use an external keyboard in qt extended ? |
| 14:11.57 | king | Tm_T, ! |
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| 14:12.13 | lindi- | king: even if you get fix it won't really tell you much indoors |
| 14:12.27 | Tm_T | king: gps signal can't get thru thick walls |
| 14:12.37 | king | lindi-, how about 5metres from the window? Do I need to be outside? Can I go outside, get a fix and then come in? |
| 14:12.42 | Tm_T | even human body reduces signal |
| 14:12.47 | lindi- | king: i can get it 1 m from window |
| 14:12.54 | Tig| | I have had a fix before when it can see out of the window but it took ages, for playing with the gps indoors I bought an external antenna for £5 and hang that out the window |
| 14:12.57 | lindi- | king: you can go out and get a fix |
| 14:13.18 | king | lindi-, Will do that now, then would the fix get lost when I come in? |
| 14:13.25 | lindi- | king: nope |
| 14:13.38 | king | lindi-, Going out! I mean near the window :) |
| 14:13.43 | Tm_T | after fix it doesn't need that strong signal |
| 14:13.53 | king | How do I know when I get a fix? |
| 14:13.56 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r535af0e9b4ef 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume-theme-asu: Build revision 4881 of the theme to change the boot screen |
| 14:14.06 | Tm_T | well it would know your location, for instance |
| 14:14.45 | lindi- | when "p" command of gpsd returns something else than "P=?\r" |
| 14:14.46 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.stable * r34b01e2efb54 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume-theme-asu: Build revision 4881 of the theme to change the boot screen |
| 14:14.50 | king | Would it automatically start getting a fix when I go outside with it, or do I need to nudge it? |
| 14:14.59 | lindi- | it should be automatic |
| 14:15.04 | Tm_T | but takes time |
| 14:15.12 | lindi- | AGPS can speed it up |
| 14:15.13 | Tm_T | you should be still until it get the fix |
| 14:15.45 | king | Thanks people, will be back in a minute after getting the fix, then to get the google maps on tango! |
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| 14:19.50 | jonkristian | whack |
| 14:20.08 | jernst | is opkg update; opkg upgrade supposed to break qt extended ? |
| 14:20.16 | jernst | my phone doesn't boot anymore now |
| 14:20.41 | jonkristian | jernst: it might, depends what got installed/upgraded |
| 14:20.59 | jonkristian | qt extended, hm. |
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| 14:24.04 | king | I have left the phone outside and come, I hope no one steals it! |
| 14:24.23 | jonkristian | king: why? |
| 14:24.33 | jonkristian | ah |
| 14:24.51 | jonkristian | i was out walking just now, got a fix after about 5mins |
| 14:25.15 | king | jonkristian, SHR? |
| 14:25.21 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 14:25.30 | king | jonkristian, How did you know you got a fix? |
| 14:25.49 | jonkristian | king: you started the daemon, right? |
| 14:25.50 | king | jonkristian, Does the 'trip' tab in tango GPS show lat/long or does the map tab show lat/long in the bottom bar? |
| 14:25.59 | king | jonkristian, Yes the daemon is on. |
| 14:26.00 | jonkristian | then, do a stop/start in trip |
| 14:26.13 | king | jonkristian, and what should it say? |
| 14:26.15 | jonkristian | just to make sure it registers |
| 14:26.33 | king | Will it be trying to get a fix now that I have left it out? The screen would have blacked-out. |
| 14:26.43 | jonkristian | you will know when you got a fix. |
| 14:26.53 | jonkristian | yeah, it will, unless it suspends, afaik |
| 14:27.40 | jonkristian | Tig|: no joy anywhere, tried several open networks, then i discovered that in iwconfig the key is off, but strange, since i can ping the phone. i suspect there's something wrong of freerunner side of the network. |
| 14:28.40 | jonkristian | king: it might help to walk around a bit, try walking 150m or so then back again. |
| 14:29.02 | jonkristian | king: there are 7 sat all over, and i think it needs 3 sat signals to get a correct fix. |
| 14:29.09 | king | jonkristian, Yes going out again! |
| 14:29.13 | SpeedEvil | 3 for 2d, 4 for 3d |
| 14:29.21 | jonkristian | ah |
| 14:30.53 | jonkristian | hm, so mofi doesn't set the key. |
| 14:31.07 | jonkristian | time for a reboot and manual setting then |
| 14:31.12 | Tig| | jonkristian, wait! |
| 14:31.24 | Tig| | iwconfig key is for WEP |
| 14:31.31 | jonkristian | Tig|: ah |
| 14:31.38 | Tig| | wpa supplicant deals with WPA |
| 14:31.59 | Tig| | and thinking about it I am not sure mofi does open access points but could be mistaken |
| 14:32.09 | jonkristian | it actually sets the ap |
| 14:32.17 | jonkristian | and the mac is correct aswell |
| 14:32.25 | Tig| | oh well maybe it does then |
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| 14:34.55 | king | I still didn't get a fix :( |
| 14:35.14 | jonkristian | king: hmm |
| 14:36.20 | king | Another issue: inside settings I get unknown in Suspend, tapping it has no effect. |
| 14:36.33 | jonkristian | king: no simcard? |
| 14:36.56 | king | I have put a SIM. Yet GSM says unknown. Even suspend says unknown. |
| 14:37.05 | jonkristian | king: it happens randomly here, without a simcard. afaik, haven't tested with. |
| 14:37.17 | jonkristian | then try a reboot and see |
| 14:37.33 | Gilly | king: reboot and don't touch settings until you've entered pin, that worked for me |
| 14:37.51 | king | Gilly, I don't need to enter a PIN. |
| 14:38.04 | king | jonkristian, I had to reboot as before this boot all of the settings options were unknown! |
| 14:38.20 | jonkristian | king: yeah, happens to me too |
| 14:39.08 | king | jonkristian, What do you do? Just reboot and hope things work out? |
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| 14:41.39 | jeffszusz | Hello room |
| 14:41.50 | king | roomie! |
| 14:42.00 | jeffszusz | looks around |
| 14:42.05 | jeffszusz | no coffee? |
| 14:42.10 | jeffszusz | gah |
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| 14:42.55 | jeffszusz | i see the 2008 release has hit the freerunner... is it consumer useable by any stretch of the imagination? |
| 14:42.56 | jonkristian | hmmz |
| 14:43.25 | jonkristian | i have two lines in /etc/network/interfaces iface eth0 inet dhcp and iface eth1 inet dhcp |
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| 14:50.09 | jonkristian | hm, i do get a ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: operation not supported and run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 |
| 14:50.25 | jonkristian | when trying to connect |
| 14:54.42 | king | IS there a proper fix if I get unknown in the Settings menu? |
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| 14:55.39 | jonkristian | king: doesn't have anything to do with that. |
| 14:56.11 | king | jonkristian, That was my question :) |
| 14:57.49 | king | This is my fourth reboot to remove the GSM , Bluetooth, Brightness, Profile, Suspen - ALL unknows from the Setting panel. I am sure there could be a way to get rid of those unknowns other than rebooting, which in my case hasn't solved the problem yet. |
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| 15:00.12 | king | Any SHR users here? How do you deal with this? ^? |
| 15:00.17 | king | Tig|, Still here? |
| 15:00.19 | jonkristian | king: i have now idea why, i thought it could be because i didn't have a simcard in it, but now, i don't know. |
| 15:00.38 | h4v | king: i have got that too |
| 15:00.44 | jonkristian | king: just ignore it for now |
| 15:00.46 | king | Tm_T, lindi- I never got a fix :( |
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| 15:02.21 | Tig| | sorry back |
| 15:02.48 | king | Tig|, This is my fourth reboot to remove the GSM , Bluetooth, Brightness, Profile, Suspen - ALL unknows from the Setting panel. I am sure there could be a way to get rid of those unknowns other than rebooting, which in my case hasn't solved the problem yet. |
| 15:03.32 | Tig| | odd |
| 15:03.44 | h4v | is there way to have unblanked screen all the time with SHR |
| 15:03.45 | h4v | ? |
| 15:05.04 | Tig| | h4v, I think so |
| 15:05.15 | Tig| | go into settings and turn suspend off |
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| 15:05.30 | Tig| | then go into the top bar and click the little spanner in the top left corner |
| 15:05.31 | h4v | it's not working |
| 15:05.42 | king | Tig|, Is this 'unknown' in all settings a known issue? Would upgrading, downgrading, getting images from stable branch help / hurt? |
| 15:05.50 | Tig| | thenselect power and then turn off the blanking |
| 15:06.03 | h4v | Tig|: it changes nothing |
| 15:06.12 | Tig| | king, I have no idea I am not seeing it here :( |
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| 15:06.35 | king | Tig|, What do you say I should do? |
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| 15:14.28 | Tig| | no idea have you had a search of the mailing lists to see if has been reported? |
| 15:16.07 | king | Tig|, No. But my use case is not specific. I just turned on a fresh installed device. I thought it would be well known if there was an issue. |
| 15:16.31 | king | Tig|, Which list at http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/, should I search? |
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| 15:20.05 | king | Tig|, Have you tried the unstable branch? |
| 15:23.42 | jernst | are there default direcories for pictures/sounds, etc in qt extended ? (on the sd card) |
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| 15:55.42 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 16:02.49 | hajmola | does anyone know how to get the illume keyboard up in 2008.12? I have the standard OM keyboard but I like the illume one much better |
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| 16:06.44 | Slaxxin | the wiki has a tutorial on doing that keyboard |
| 16:07.38 | Slaxxin | but it pputs the terminal keyboard with white background,,which im not partial to |
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| 16:10.01 | moritz | i am also trying to follow that guide for the illume keyboard |
| 16:10.09 | moritz | but i fail at the last step: |
| 16:10.26 | moritz | on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume is says: "[...] Then switch keyboard from "None" to "Default" in Illume's preferences. " |
| 16:10.36 | moritz | i have no clue where I can find these preferences |
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| 16:15.25 | hajmola | moritz, i think those preferences are when you do the pull down and there's a wrench at the top left |
| 16:17.34 | hajmola | wait, is it raster's keyboard the one that looks more polished... has the silver look to it and white keys? |
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| 16:19.50 | moritz | hajmola: damn, there is no wrench |
| 16:21.33 | moritz | and enabling suspend causes my display to not wake up anymore |
| 16:22.29 | hajmola | moritz, are you using the ASU theme? Because the wrench won't show up until you use illume |
| 16:23.56 | moritz | hmm, i thought i use illume |
| 16:24.03 | moritz | how can i figure it out? :) |
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| 16:24.15 | moritz | I mean, illume and it's config packages are installed, of course |
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| 16:25.49 | moritz | well, actually i don't need illume very urgently, in case that's not what i am running. but i lost all my keyboards. |
| 16:25.56 | moritz | and this suspend problem is annoying |
| 16:26.21 | hajmola | yeah i'm not sure about the suspend issue, but the theme I'm using has a metal look to it |
| 16:26.44 | hajmola | in the last community update on the front page there's a little bit about how to switch to it |
| 16:27.27 | hajmola | i think it's technically raster's theme |
| 16:28.13 | hajmola | does anyone know if i can use bash_aliases? |
| 16:29.10 | hajmola | in OM2008.12 |
| 16:29.26 | moritz | ah, now i have illume |
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| 16:29.39 | moritz | had to adjust /etc/enlightenment/default_profile |
| 16:29.58 | hajmola | cool |
| 16:30.10 | moritz | damn, segfault after segfault |
| 16:30.10 | moritz | *g* |
| 16:30.31 | hajmola | moritz, you have to disable drop shadows |
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| 16:38.14 | moritz | not so easy because the modules dialog is way to large for the FR screen |
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| 16:55.58 | feitingen | moritz: it is a lot easier if you rotate the screen |
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| 17:02.29 | [Rui] | see ya all next year! |
| 17:02.53 | CVirus | hehe |
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| 17:19.15 | king | Has anyone set up google maps with TangoGPS? |
| 17:19.28 | king | I am yet to get my first GPS fix, I am on SHR. |
| 17:19.37 | king | The sript /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start without any errors. |
| 17:19.59 | king | How do I know how hard TangoGPS is working to get a Fix, there is an app in FDOM, that tells me the number of failed attempts to get the fix and all. |
| 17:21.13 | peter-b | you can install openmoko-agpsui on shr as well |
| 17:21.36 | king | peter-b, Is that the same program that is available in FDOM? |
| 17:21.57 | king | peter-b, * by default, the one which shows the location of satellites and all? |
| 17:22.43 | peter-b | i think opemoko-agpsui is what you are talking about |
| 17:22.52 | king | Have you used GPS on SHR? |
| 17:22.52 | peter-b | never used fdom .... |
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| 17:23.29 | peter-b | i tried :-) |
| 17:23.40 | peter-b | tangogps is not working for me atm |
| 17:23.44 | peter-b | but agpsui is |
| 17:24.41 | king | peter-b, I am trying again. This time 15 min straight. |
| 17:26.00 | king | I also get all unknowns in the Settings panel in SHR. This is my fifth reboot and this problem doesn't go away. |
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| 17:39.18 | samgee | king, I had those unknowns a while ago |
| 17:39.24 | samgee | after updates it was ok again |
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| 17:51.02 | king | samgee, I have updated. Do you know of any other way to get rid of those |
| 17:51.27 | samgee | no, sorry |
| 17:51.38 | samgee | it probably also depends on the updates |
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| 18:35.28 | azaghal | Would anyone care to recommend me which SHR image would be best for flashing? (GTA02) |
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| 18:36.56 | king | azaghal, http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/, get the latest-uImages*gta02 and shr-image-*gta02 |
| 18:37.30 | king | Is /media/card the same directory that my memory card is mounted everytime? |
| 18:37.46 | king | How can I browse it from SHR, the filemanager can't open the card folder |
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| 18:40.12 | b52 | hey guys |
| 18:40.27 | b52 | can i see somewhere a roadmap for the neo freerunner? |
| 18:40.33 | b52 | whats comming up in the next versions? |
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| 19:07.39 | peeps[work] | mwester, just dropped off your brokenmoko at the post office, priority mail |
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| 19:09.44 | king | How do I copy - paste inside SHR? I have selected the text, where is the copy? |
| 19:11.55 | king | TAsn, ^ |
| 19:12.10 | TAsn | it's x |
| 19:12.14 | TAsn | marking is enough to copy |
| 19:12.28 | TAsn | though for a paste, you need a paste button ;\ |
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| 19:12.33 | king | TAsn, How do I paste? Shift-insert? |
| 19:12.35 | TAsn | like in the vala terminal |
| 19:12.47 | SpeedEvil | Click with one of your toes to paste. |
| 19:12.56 | king | TAsn, I don't know what is vala terminal |
| 19:13.02 | TAsn | king, may be, not sure, I just use the paste button that comes wit ha couple of apps. |
| 19:13.03 | king | SpeedEvil, :) not that precise. |
| 19:13.20 | king | TAsn, ctrl-v? |
| 19:13.31 | TAsn | you can surely do a ctrl c ctrl v |
| 19:13.44 | SpeedEvil | If the keyboard focuses right |
| 19:14.38 | *** join/#openmoko apol (n=apol@84.78.178.63) |
| 19:16.00 | king | TAsn, confirmed ctrl c ctrl v works. I was shivering to type that google map URL again! :-D |
| 19:16.11 | TAsn | haha ;] |
| 19:16.39 | king | Does openmoko have a poster boy like apple's? |
| 19:16.59 | TAsn | yeah |
| 19:17.04 | TAsn | his name is tux |
| 19:17.05 | king | ...? |
| 19:17.12 | TAsn | he is sexy as hell |
| 19:17.12 | king | :) |
| 19:17.20 | TAsn | though he is a bit fat. ;] |
| 19:17.40 | TAsn | king, why? do you want the job? |
| 19:18.04 | king | TAsn, You mean to get battered by the community all the time? :P |
| 19:18.09 | SpeedEvil | The official openmoko penguin - http://www.crazypiglet.com/files/picture/33464460.jpg |
| 19:18.34 | king | TAsn, Going by the number distros, back-ends, front-ends openmoko community is the most belligerent one :) |
| 19:18.40 | SpeedEvil | It's not like the other penguins! |
| 19:18.50 | king | SpeedEvil, :-D |
| 19:19.00 | TAsn | fso's logo is a "buzzing bee" |
| 19:19.19 | king | SpeedEvil, Why is the creature so sad and desperate? Kind of represents all of us! |
| 19:19.34 | TAsn | I'm not desperate, neither I'm sad. |
| 19:19.35 | TAsn | ;] |
| 19:20.06 | king | But your bearish tux is. |
| 19:20.47 | king | How do I check the size of a directory from ssh? |
| 19:20.54 | king | ls -la? |
| 19:21.19 | king | I don't know how to read that command. |
| 19:21.35 | lindi- | king: from ssh? |
| 19:21.46 | TAsn | du ./ |
| 19:21.47 | king | lindi-, yes. |
| 19:22.03 | TAsn | king that's actually the command, 'du ./' |
| 19:22.03 | TAsn | ;] |
| 19:22.14 | king | TAsn, what are all those digits bytes? Bytes? |
| 19:22.21 | TAsn | yeah |
| 19:22.27 | lindi- | king: maybe openmoko freerunner shop should have some sort of unix quiz so that it could recommend people to not buy it if their command line skills are not good :) |
| 19:22.27 | TAsn | and on the bottom there's the sum. |
| 19:22.27 | king | b or B? |
| 19:22.34 | TAsn | bytes. |
| 19:22.40 | king | lindi-, :P |
| 19:22.50 | king | TAsn, does it accept the human readable option? |
| 19:22.53 | TAsn | lindi-, ouch. |
| 19:22.56 | TAsn | king, yeah. |
| 19:23.03 | TAsn | which I don't remember by heart |
| 19:23.11 | TAsn | though man du in google |
| 19:23.14 | lindi- | -h |
| 19:23.15 | TAsn | or du -h |
| 19:23.17 | TAsn | yeah |
| 19:23.21 | TAsn | will do the trick. |
| 19:23.31 | king | TAsn, It does :) |
| 19:23.31 | TAsn | though the -h in busybox is usually lacking. |
| 19:23.44 | king | lindi-, I got google maps offline :) |
| 19:23.50 | king | lindi-, And the fix too :) |
| 19:24.40 | king | Does anyone know how do I change between to cached maps, satellite and street maps on my sd card? |
| 19:24.44 | king | *two |
| 19:24.44 | TAsn | lindi-, I think the openmoko store should have a reading and searching test. so people will look in the wiki/docs ;] |
| 19:25.03 | TAsn | king, write a patch and send it upstream? ;] |
| 19:25.29 | king | king, Woah! |
| 19:25.51 | king | It should have a kill switch which it activates for users who pester the IRC channel so much :-P |
| 19:26.10 | TAsn | anyhow, I'm off! I'm wasting my time referring people to the man pages ;] |
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| 19:26.22 | king | TAsn, thanks! |
| 19:26.28 | TAsn | j/k, sure thing. |
| 19:26.30 | TAsn | ;] |
| 19:26.43 | TAsn | just try to read the manuals more often. |
| 19:26.55 | TAsn | it'll help you succeed. |
| 19:26.56 | king | They are too intimidating. I need man 101 class. |
| 19:26.56 | TAsn | ;] |
| 19:27.32 | TAsn | no they aren't they are actually pretty well written (mostly) |
| 19:28.19 | brian__ | shr is taking aaa year end break no? |
| 19:28.29 | king | TAsn, I know. But I think it calls for synthesizing skills very different to what us normal! people are used to. If someone would video walk through me through 2/3 man pages (any command) I would get some transferrable skills :) |
| 19:28.47 | brian__ | trying to merg with fso no? |
| 19:28.57 | TAsn | just give it a try. and there's always the -h flag that is mostly an executive summary for the man pages. |
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| 19:29.12 | king | TAsn, I will :) |
| 19:29.17 | king | azaghal, You got SHR running? |
| 19:29.20 | SpeedEvil | king: just start at a2p, and work your way through to zsh. |
| 19:29.35 | king | SpeedEvil, You are so aptly named :) |
| 19:29.43 | SpeedEvil | It's what I did! |
| 19:29.46 | TAsn | anyhow, I'm off. |
| 19:29.52 | SpeedEvil | king: seriously though. |
| 19:30.03 | king | SpeedEvil, Seriously! |
| 19:30.05 | SpeedEvil | king: reading a few manpages of random commands will help you understand others |
| 19:30.13 | TAsn | king, if you are brave read the gcc man pages. |
| 19:30.13 | TAsn | ;] |
| 19:30.15 | brian__ | o yes |
| 19:30.16 | azaghal | king: Nah, not today :) |
| 19:30.31 | azaghal | king: Although there's a lot of files in that directory, so it's a tidbit confusing ;) |
| 19:30.46 | TAsn | now that's a long and frustrating one ;] |
| 19:30.50 | king | azaghal, no just get the ones I told, they are ones with the shortest names. |
| 19:30.58 | azaghal | Ah, ok. |
| 19:31.02 | king | SpeedEvil, You mean so brave to die in the battle? |
| 19:31.05 | azaghal | But there are some with glibc in their names? |
| 19:31.09 | brian__ | above all costs do not i repeat DO NOT read the man pages |
| 19:31.12 | king | azaghal, Don't need those. |
| 19:31.15 | azaghal | Ok |
| 19:31.19 | king | brian__, ! |
| 19:31.25 | azaghal | Happy new year to all, I'm off to bro's ;) |
| 19:31.50 | king | I wonder how many people across various time zones are going to wish happy new year to the channel today. |
| 19:31.57 | brian__ | some just need a little encouragement |
| 19:31.58 | king | Mine happened a long time ago. |
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| 19:32.09 | Torikun | http://digg.com/linux_unix/If_Linus_died_tomorrow |
| 19:32.12 | Torikun | Sup Openers! |
| 19:32.34 | SpeedEvil | buys life insurance on Linus. |
| 19:33.06 | Torikun | Post a comment! |
| 19:33.06 | Torikun | lol |
| 19:33.23 | SpeedEvil | wonderrs if it's legal to buy life insurance on random third parties. |
| 19:33.29 | Torikun | lol |
| 19:33.38 | Torikun | Tickless heart in the kernel is not life saving.. |
| 19:33.42 | king | SpeedEvil, sure as long as you pay the premium they decide on! |
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| 19:34.04 | king | SpeedEvil, What would happen if many people buy life insurance on the same person? |
| 19:34.11 | king | SpeedEvil, Like all citizens on a dictator? |
| 19:34.13 | king | :) |
| 19:34.13 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 19:34.14 | Torikun | Lotteryt! |
| 19:34.39 | king | SpeedEvil, first thing he would get assassinated before you can say 'money' |
| 19:34.40 | king | :) |
| 19:34.52 | king | So that is why it is illegal AHAA! |
| 19:34.56 | king | SpeedEvil, :) |
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| 19:35.40 | king | Is the channel logged? |
| 19:35.46 | SpeedEvil | !pogs |
| 19:35.48 | SpeedEvil | !logs |
| 19:35.48 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 19:35.49 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 19:35.50 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 19:35.52 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 19:35.54 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 19:36.23 | king | SpeedEvil, who feeds the bot? |
| 19:36.26 | king | !hi |
| 19:36.34 | king | !shr |
| 19:36.54 | king | See? He is starving. |
| 19:37.13 | Torikun | is android easy to install yet on the FreeRunner |
| 19:38.37 | king | How do I delete all the repos I create in TangoGPS? |
| 19:38.53 | *** part/#openmoko Torikun (n=rusher@67.112.215.16) |
| 19:40.03 | king | SpeedEvil, Would those disappear if I remove .TangoGPS from /home/root? |
| 19:40.13 | king | the folder is empty though |
| 19:40.26 | king | where else should I look for the config file? |
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| 19:41.19 | king | :( |
| 19:48.58 | pwerken | king: you're looking for .gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml |
| 19:49.18 | king | pwerken, AH, thanks a tonne man. Can |
| 19:49.33 | king | pwerken, Can I delete the file and start over from scratch? |
| 19:49.40 | pwerken | yeah that works |
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| 19:50.36 | king | pwerken, Are you sure if I would rm %gconf.xml it would recreate it? |
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| 19:51.39 | king | How do I get GSM working on SHR? I have rebooted 4-5 times still it says unknown. |
| 19:51.40 | pwerken | yeah i'm sure, but you can always mv it out of the way so you have it as backup |
| 19:51.52 | king | pwerken, Yes, I will try that. |
| 19:52.11 | pwerken | is frameworkd running? |
| 19:52.59 | king | pwerken, yes |
| 19:53.22 | king | /usr/bin/frameworkd comes up in ps aux. |
| 19:53.22 | pwerken | and ophonekitd? |
| 19:54.05 | king | pwerken, no ophonekitd doesn't come up in ps aux. |
| 19:54.50 | king | pwerken, I haven't tweaked anything, this is the image I got from shr-testing. |
| 19:55.23 | pwerken | check its log in /var/log/ophonekitd.log |
| 19:56.12 | pwerken | ophonekitd is started when X starts (the script is in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ) |
| 19:56.24 | king | pwerken, After 'connected to buses' it says: |
| 19:56.25 | king | ** (process:1092): DEBUG: list_resources() |
| 19:56.25 | king | ** (process:1092): DEBUG: list_resources_callback() |
| 19:56.25 | king | ** (process:1092): DEBUG: GSM not available, try again in 5s |
| 19:56.25 | king | Failed to handle dbus error: Unknown resource GSM, 76 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 |
| 19:56.25 | king | Scale 2.000 |
| 19:56.29 | king | many many times. |
| 19:56.59 | king | Do you have GSM working on SHR? |
| 19:57.25 | pwerken | running shr-unstable for almost a day now |
| 19:57.29 | pwerken | had fso on it before |
| 19:57.39 | king | pwerken, ok. |
| 19:57.58 | king | pwerken, Messages crashes when I start it, is it because GSM is not working? |
| 19:58.13 | king | pwerken, What should I do to get GSM working? Does it work for you on shr-unstable? |
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| 19:58.22 | king | pwerken, if testing is so crashy how is shr-unstable? |
| 19:58.25 | pwerken | more likely because it can't connect to ophonekitd |
| 19:59.21 | king | So GSM shouldn't work for anybody with shr-testing images? |
| 19:59.35 | pwerken | i also had some trouble with ophonekitd starting, worked on since the 3rd boot |
| 19:59.58 | king | pwerken, This is the 6-7th boot. And GSM hasn't worked on any of that. |
| 20:00.12 | king | pwerken, In most boot, I would get unknown-s in all the options in the setting panel. |
| 20:00.16 | king | *boots |
| 20:00.19 | pwerken | :( sorry i know very little of how ophonekitd works |
| 20:01.02 | king | pwerken, After deleting that file Tango doesn't start, it crashes. |
| 20:01.12 | king | pwerken, Is a restart in order? |
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| 20:01.32 | pwerken | that's odd, tangogps should just create a new one |
| 20:02.38 | king | pwerken, I am restarting, If it still doesn't work than I will mv the .xml file back and edit the offending parts. |
| 20:02.50 | pwerken | ok |
| 20:03.17 | king | pwerken, Do you find the trip meter and speed inaccurate? |
| 20:03.37 | king | pwerken, Can the altitude setting be used for getting levels? Like height of table, etc? Or is it not accurate enough? |
| 20:03.52 | pwerken | the current speed and distance seem quite ok, but the average speed is off |
| 20:04.40 | king | pwerken, Do you find tango gps the best app for SHR? |
| 20:05.11 | king | pwerken, Another question If I install any app should it create a launcher by itself on the home page of SHR? If it doesn't how do I run it? |
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| 20:06.40 | pwerken | if the app is packaged correctly it should should popup on the home screen |
| 20:06.53 | pwerken | if not you need to create/edit the .desktop yourself |
| 20:07.06 | king | pwerken, the trip meter in Trip tab of tango GPS is very inaccurate as far as distance is concerned. It just showed 30m when I had walked like 200m, it even went down to 3m and then finally 0. |
| 20:07.12 | king | pwerken, ok. |
| 20:07.40 | king | pwerken, What about the precision of the altitude setting, is it good enough for measuring depth of manholes, wall heights, etc? |
| 20:07.41 | pwerken | haven't looked at the trip distance that much yet, but the current speed is quite accurate |
| 20:07.45 | SpeedEvil | king: no |
| 20:07.52 | king | SpeedEvil, NO :( |
| 20:08.03 | SpeedEvil | king: altitude error is tyypically double or more the position error |
| 20:08.15 | SpeedEvil | king: google vertical dilution of precision gps |
| 20:08.24 | king | SpeedEvil, Are the best GPS devices available able to do that? |
| 20:08.40 | king | SpeedEvil, I read about it in tangoGPS, they say if it is less than three, then you are human. |
| 20:09.26 | king | pwerken, On restarting Tango was able to create a new .xml file. |
| 20:09.48 | king | SpeedEvil, GSM is not working for me on shr. I got the image from shr-testing. Should I give you the ophonekitd log details? |
| 20:11.32 | SpeedEvil | king: no |
| 20:12.20 | king | SpeedEvil, In my house I get DOP 100! |
| 20:19.18 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r75e00b0d4fe5 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: convert dbus.Int64 |
| 20:19.38 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rad445af8c50f 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: prettyprint dbus.Int64 as well |
| 20:21.04 | king | CIA |
| 20:21.27 | king | ^how do these messages keep coming in? Is this a bot? |
| 20:22.34 | JaMa | yes :) |
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| 20:28.59 | king | JaMa, for what purpose has it been setup? Where do these messages come from? |
| 20:29.10 | gambler | king, any luck with your openmoko? |
| 20:29.16 | gambler | i just woke up |
| 20:31.41 | JaMa | king: its from commit to git repositories.. and I guess its quite usefull to see whats new.. |
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| 20:41.19 | *** join/#openmoko lpotter (n=lpotter@58.173.176.153) |
| 20:41.54 | uhsf | i think i'm ready to install some other OS for my Neo FR on a 8GB SanDisk Ultra microSD card. it will be the first time i try something else than the 2007.2 that i use since early july. what should it be? SHR? Om 2008.8? FSO? Androïd? |
| 20:42.11 | king | uhsf, SHR |
| 20:42.36 | king | gambler, I gave up on android till a more usable build comes along. |
| 20:42.36 | uhsf | why? 'caus gtk is still better than qt? |
| 20:42.56 | king | gambler, I am setting up TangoGPS now. It is progressing well :) |
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| 20:43.58 | king | uhsf, FSO = framework not a distro. Android, yet to be completed, Om 2008.12 is an end of life product. SHR = by elimination. source:mwester |
| 20:44.09 | king | :) |
| 20:44.22 | gambler | uhsf, im trying to et android working. i also have a G1 and its pretty awesome on that |
| 20:44.25 | lpotter | knows lots of people that think gtk i snot better than qt |
| 20:44.34 | cjb | uhsf: I'm using latest FSO, is pretty great. |
| 20:45.01 | king | gambler, I am sure it is awesome on the G1. |
| 20:45.27 | king | gambler, But if you would read Sean's page on om wiki you would see the harsh reality of android on Neo. |
| 20:45.41 | Martix | cjb: testing or unstable? |
| 20:45.52 | gambler | linky? |
| 20:46.30 | uhsf | king: what do you mean 2008.12 is an end of life product? i never heard this before. |
| 20:46.49 | king | uhsf, It is an evolutionary end. |
| 20:47.05 | cjb | Martix: the latest milestone release |
| 20:47.48 | king | cjb, Is FSO a complete distro in itself? I read that it is just a back-end with a couple of demo apps and SHR is a front-end distro on top of FSO. Would you please explain? |
| 20:47.50 | uhsf | i though 2008.12 was to be the future of openmoko, because of the switch to qt and all that? |
| 20:48.13 | king | uhsf, | that to mwester |
| 20:48.26 | JaMa | uhsf: I'm using fso too.. (latest.. regulary updated built here from oe.git..) |
| 20:48.44 | cjb | king: I've never tried SHR. |
| 20:48.58 | king | JaMa, Is FSO a complete distro in itself? I read that it is just a back-end with a couple of demo apps and SHR is a front-end distro on top of FSO. Would you please explain? |
| 20:49.03 | cjb | king: I'd be interested to know which apps it has that FSO doesn't, I guess. |
| 20:49.22 | cjb | since FSO seems to have plenty (tangogps, etc) to me |
| 20:49.27 | king | uhsf, FSO is the future. |
| 20:50.33 | uhsf | but you just said SHR = by elimination? |
| 20:50.35 | feitingen | king: are you talking about zhone and frameworkd? |
| 20:51.38 | uhsf | i'm surprised being told 2008.12 is a dead end. i was kinda my first choice |
| 20:51.57 | uhsf | s/i/it |
| 20:53.17 | uhsf | what i understand now it's all about FSO vs. SHR. |
| 20:53.23 | feitingen | uhsf: debian is actually pretty good if you get it working, but it is hungry for storage spave |
| 20:53.32 | feitingen | s/spave/space |
| 20:54.16 | JaMa | uhsf: yes fso-images are complet.. frameworkd is back-end.. but fso-images contain also zhone as telephony - demo app and illume as e17-based wm.. which is quite enough for average user.. |
| 20:55.00 | JaMa | uhsf: and in repos is quite the same amount of additional software as was for om2008 (at least when I tried..) |
| 20:57.20 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, my phone is displaying the current time correctly, but how do I confirm that the hardware clock is set to UTC? (Just to be perfectly proper) |
| 20:57.24 | feitingen | JaMa: but both frameworkd and zhone are made in python, and i quote from zhone: it's lacking proper design, modularity, and stability. |
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| 20:58.34 | uhsf | i need more arguments to choose either FSO or SHR, i'm not sure i understand the purpose of each of them. |
| 20:58.41 | *** part/#openmoko Martix (n=Martix@nezmar.jabbim.cz) |
| 20:59.24 | gambler | how are people formatting their sdcards? using a USB card reader? |
| 20:59.35 | feitingen | gambler: i am |
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| 21:00.25 | JaMa | uhsf: I haven't tried SHR.. but I can say that FSO is sometimes unstable (but it's probably because I install every new revision in git :)) |
| 21:00.37 | gambler | feitingen, is there a generic linux driver or do i need to be choosy about which one I buy? |
| 21:00.38 | uhsf | i really like the openness of freesmartphone.org but i also like having a community that helps improvement like in SHR |
| 21:01.30 | feitingen | gambler: most of the new readers are good enough, but i tried using my old reader which came out before the sdhc cards and it caused me a lot of grief |
| 21:02.39 | feitingen | if you are buying a new one, it does not seem to be a problem, all the readers i have tried, even the generic no-brand ones read sdhc perfectly fine, but i bought a sandisk reader o be sure |
| 21:03.00 | feitingen | s/ o / to / |
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| 21:06.51 | brian__ | is fso ancshr going to merge is 2009? |
| 21:07.25 | brian__ | dropping zhone an focusing on paroli |
| 21:08.11 | brian__ | i think there have been some miss communication on a few things |
| 21:09.32 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.51 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.13 | brian__ | 2008.12 is not the end |
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| 21:13.08 | brian__ | once things come together this will be a nice system even though others may beat openmoko to the profit side of things ,, openmoko has driven a HUGE project that has really increased our ability to CHANGE THINGS |
| 21:13.55 | mwester | brian__: FSO is the framework project -- it is being supported by Openmoko (and the community). Zhone was a testing app built by FSO -- now that other users of the framework have appeared, zhone will be dropped by FSO. |
| 21:14.16 | mwester | brian__: SHR is one of several distros that will use FSO. |
| 21:14.17 | brian__ | getting all u hackers to work together is really the best part |
| 21:14.41 | mwester | brian__: There will be no merger of FSO and SHR because that would not be in the best interest of anyone involved. |
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| 21:15.22 | brian__ | i must have read someones dreams |
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| 21:15.30 | mwester | brian__: and 2008.x is a dead-end, according to Om -- they have stated on the mailing lists that they will support FSO, and they have "paroli" as a dialer that will be offered - it uses FSO. |
| 21:16.02 | jokerfox | It should be ok doing an opkg upgrade of last version of fdom ? |
| 21:16.29 | brian__ | thanks for the clearing that up |
| 21:17.49 | uhsf | if SHR is a distro that uses FSO, what do i miss by using only SHR? |
| 21:18.07 | uhsf | i mean using only FSO. sorry |
| 21:18.27 | brian__ | zhone was a very cool program |
| 21:18.40 | feitingen | mwester: are you saying that the dialer and modem-chat daemon will still be python? |
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| 21:19.58 | hajmola | that sucks that they're dropping OM2008.x, i've been enjoying 2008.12 a lot |
| 21:20.07 | hajmola | but progress is progress |
| 21:20.24 | jokerfox | what next then ? |
| 21:20.31 | seameat | yeah that is a bummer. what does this mean for FDOM? |
| 21:20.45 | hajmola | another acronym! |
| 21:21.22 | seameat | i've been playing WoW. i just jumped into the convo. do the acronyms confuse you? |
| 21:21.27 | seameat | fat and dirty openmoko |
| 21:21.43 | hajmola | no they don't, i was just making fun of all the acronyms that have developed |
| 21:21.46 | uhsf | the wiki says FSO uses a 2.6.24 kernel. is SHR more up to date than FSO? |
| 21:22.46 | seameat | oh gotcha |
| 21:22.48 | uhsf | i'm used to arch linux where we get latest kernel in less than a week |
| 21:22.51 | seameat | there are tons of them |
| 21:23.06 | brian__ | whats the latest kernel? |
| 21:23.12 | brian__ | .28? |
| 21:23.22 | brian__ | 2.7? |
| 21:24.42 | brian__ | so fso is where were at if we going to ust the openmoko flavor>? |
| 21:26.38 | SpeedEvil | has a flava. |
| 21:28.37 | uhsf | latest kernel is .28 |
| 21:29.26 | uhsf | i think i will install SHR. it seems to be the most logical choice. |
| 21:30.22 | seameat | uhsf, SHR is slick |
| 21:31.30 | brian__ | curvy icons an stuff that works |
| 21:32.10 | seameat | brian__, heh, yeah.... well i had suspend issues, but i think that was a kernel issue |
| 21:32.51 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.33 | brian__ | i had problems with the very last 1 |
| 21:33.40 | uhsf | the FSO wiki page refers to SHR as a known API consumer. |
| 21:34.21 | uhsf | other known API consumers are zhone, tichy and paroli. |
| 21:34.44 | JaMa | tichy+paroli is already used in SHR? |
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| 21:35.11 | uhsf | SHR is my favorite so that's what i'll use |
| 21:35.43 | uhsf | i don't really know what are tichy and paroli, that's the first time i hear about them |
| 21:36.09 | uhsf | anyone has screenshots of paroli? |
| 21:37.07 | brian__ | let me know if the dialer works good |
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| 21:37.33 | uhsf | there are two screenshots of paroli on the google code page and i think it's very similar to Om 2008.12. |
| 21:37.56 | brian__ | im usung 2008.12 |
| 21:38.06 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.23 | brian__ | atleast better than shr was |
| 21:39.02 | uhsf | can someone confirm paroli is the interface used by Om 2008.12? |
| 21:39.44 | feitingen | uhsf: i can say that it is not paroli, it is still the qt dialer |
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| 21:43.43 | uhsf | the SHR wiki page refers to FSO as an infrastructure with only a single demo dialer application. is this "demo" application Zhone? |
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| 21:45.45 | Xqo | Hello! Is it possible to change what one uses the AUX-button for on 2008.12? Like with a config-file or something? |
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| 22:00.50 | feitingen | Xqo: yes, if you get the illume-config, you cn configure the keys there |
| 22:00.56 | feitingen | s/cn/can |
| 22:02.25 | Xqo | feitingen: |
| 22:02.28 | Xqo | Hvor? |
| 22:02.37 | Xqo | Hvor er illume-config? |
| 22:03.30 | lindi- | happy gnu year from finland too |
| 22:03.42 | Xqo | haha |
| 22:03.55 | Xqo | yes, happy gnu year to you too, lindi-! |
| 22:04.16 | Xqo | also, for non-norwegians: where is illume-config? |
| 22:04.32 | feitingen | Xqo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#Virtual_Keyboard |
| 22:04.40 | feitingen | just follow the instructions there :) |
| 22:05.11 | feitingen | Xqo: there is a norwegian openmoko channel at #openmoko-no ;) |
| 22:05.50 | Xqo | oh |
| 22:05.52 | Xqo | thanks |
| 22:06.28 | Xqo | But i dont want the illume-keyboard, i prefer Matchbox. I only want to change what happens when one presses the AUX-button |
| 22:07.16 | feitingen | oh, you are using the matchbox wm |
| 22:09.51 | Xqo | anyway |
| 22:10.29 | feitingen | i honestly have no idea about the matchbox thing, sorry |
| 22:12.01 | Xqo | im only asking because i want to bring up the keyboard when it is pressed (like in Debian). But perhaps you know how i can do this: |
| 22:12.04 | Xqo | "To add a button to enable showing / hiding the keyboard, edit /etc/matchbox/session. In the list of applets after --end-applets, add keyboard, and restart your X server " |
| 22:12.15 | Xqo | ./etc/matchbox/ does not exist |
| 22:12.51 | Xqo | the guide was written for 2007.* though, so it might not still be valid. Do anyone know how i can do this now? |
| 22:12.57 | Xqo | now in 2008.12* |
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| 22:18.53 | feitingen | my guess is that the session file has been moved somewhere else, say, ~/.matchbox or somewhere in /usr or that the session file is not required to start matchbox and that you can just create a new one in /etc/matchbox |
| 22:19.01 | feitingen | but it is just a guess.. |
| 22:19.40 | Xqo | also |
| 22:19.51 | Xqo | xterm wont bring up the keyboard |
| 22:20.22 | Xqo | and i hate the qt terminal |
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| 22:21.58 | feitingen | that seems to be right, xterm has never brought up the keyboard for me, i usually use a tiny external keyboard |
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| 22:28.07 | brian__ | i have had the terminal keyboard in 2008.12 but it had a white background an black letters which i dislike |
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| 22:36.23 | xkr47 | happy new year! |
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| 22:39.17 | mick_home | hi, i've now ssh'ed into my openmoko and i'd like to upgrade it from the factory default Om2007.2 to the latest version (Om2008... something) :) |
| 22:39.54 | mick_home | is it similar to editing /etc/apt/sources.list and doing an update and then a dist-upgrade? |
| 22:41.43 | mick_home | i take it that i need to change: /etc/opkg/om-gta02-feed.conf |
| 22:41.53 | mick_home | atm it says: src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02 |
| 22:42.20 | mick_home | what do i need to change besides making the url say: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ ? |
| 22:42.57 | mick_home | also, is it possible to down grade if i want? |
| 22:45.51 | uhsf | i can't find the page on how to update u-boot. |
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| 22:47.27 | uhsf | should i install Qi instead? |
| 22:47.57 | mick_home | uhsf: i see one thing on the u-boot page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot#Device_Firmware_Upgrade |
| 22:48.09 | mick_home | not sure if that helps, if not then forgive me - i tried |
| 22:49.33 | brian__ | dont u boot into nor then flash the nand just as u would with a kernel? |
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| 22:51.08 | uhsf | i want to instal SHR on a microSD card, but it doesn't seem as easy as i expected. |
| 22:51.36 | uhsf | does someone here use Qi instead of u-boot? |
| 22:57.47 | JaMa | is using Qi and u-boot NOR :) |
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| 23:00.20 | uhsf | JaMa: how to install Qi to boot a micro SD card? |
| 23:01.16 | Blanko | Bonne année |
| 23:01.35 | JaMa | uhsf: I dont konw.. for booting from SD I'm still using that u-boot from NOR.. |
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| 23:07.36 | uhsf | Bonne année Blanko. Tu es en France? |
| 23:08.11 | uhsf | je suis au québec donc encore 6hrs avant 2009 |
| 23:09.38 | uhsf | JaMa: i'm not sure if Qi can boot by itself, without u-boot. i know i have to update u-boot anyway because it can't use ext file system. |
| 23:11.05 | JaMa | uhsf: Qi can boot by itself for sure :) |
| 23:11.34 | JaMa | uhsf: but you always have u-boot in NOR for rescue |
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| 23:12.25 | uhsf | ty, now should Qi be installed on the microSD card? |
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| 23:12.42 | uhsf | i think i should format the card before? |
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| 23:22.52 | JaMa | uhsf: I don't think Qi can be installed on SD card.. its for NAND flash.. |
| 23:23.18 | JaMa | uhsf: you can install it as you're used to install u-boot updates with dfu-util |
| 23:31.00 | uhsf | it's the first time i try anything with the freerunner, i can't even see the device when i plug it in usb. |
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| 23:42.19 | brian__ | uhsf u have a linux computer? |
| 23:42.48 | brian__ | or windows |
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| 23:45.32 | brian__ | http://rafb.net/p/UQkNJ125.html |
| 23:45.53 | brian__ | do that on linux |
| 23:48.28 | JaMa | brian__: huh.. i think he want to flash it with dfu-util ;) |
| 23:56.27 | uhsf | brian__: of course i'm on linux |
| 23:58.01 | uhsf | ty for the link, now i don't have much time it'll have to wait after new years eve party |
| 23:58.42 | uhsf | happy 2009 |
