| 00:00.33 | Mortak | ^^ |
| 00:00.50 | StealthCP | now, I load up the terminal app, how do I get a keyboard? |
| 00:01.26 | Mortak | top shelfe, qwerty |
| 00:01.30 | Mortak | normally :) |
| 00:01.38 | StealthCP | i do not see that |
| 00:01.46 | StealthCP | I'm using illume-SHR |
| 00:01.49 | Mortak | erm.. |
| 00:01.51 | Mortak | me too |
| 00:02.00 | StealthCP | as I was asked on the pre-install config :) |
| 00:02.07 | StealthCP | well, dunno, let's see |
| 00:02.29 | Mortak | then i dunno atm |
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| 00:02.40 | Mortak | :( |
| 00:03.35 | StealthCP | I'm decompiling the theme file |
| 00:03.58 | StealthCP | so I'll edit and make it appear, though I hope it wasn't as messy looking as it was on Om2008.12 |
| 00:06.52 | StealthCP | hmm |
| 00:06.53 | StealthCP | http://pastebin.com/m5b31b5e1 |
| 00:07.00 | StealthCP | what do I change here? |
| 00:10.09 | StealthCP | oh hmm |
| 00:10.09 | StealthCP | it's hidden |
| 00:10.09 | StealthCP | oh weird |
| 00:13.09 | StealthCP | we need acceleration on the graphics chip D: |
| 00:13.21 | StealthCP | wants enlightenment's composite effects on his phone |
| 00:13.33 | raster | e doesnt have composite effects |
| 00:13.36 | raster | :) |
| 00:13.44 | StealthCP | E17 does |
| 00:13.47 | raster | well not unless u load bling as a module |
| 00:13.52 | raster | no it doesnt |
| 00:13.54 | StealthCP | aye |
| 00:14.03 | raster | :) |
| 00:14.06 | raster | nothing included with e17 does compositing |
| 00:14.09 | raster | (of client windows) |
| 00:14.13 | raster | bling is an external module |
| 00:14.14 | StealthCP | well whatever lol, surely we could make our own for the Neo |
| 00:14.18 | raster | also is riddled with bugs |
| 00:14.20 | raster | :) |
| 00:14.28 | raster | you can just use bling |
| 00:14.29 | StealthCP | that isn't riddled with em |
| 00:14.33 | raster | if u want |
| 00:14.36 | raster | but it'll be slow |
| 00:14.40 | StealthCP | yeah |
| 00:14.44 | raster | it can be fixed of course |
| 00:14.46 | StealthCP | unless we get acceleration I guess |
| 00:14.48 | raster | but it'll be bitch-slow |
| 00:14.54 | raster | i wouldnt even dram of compositing on the FR |
| 00:15.04 | raster | dont bother |
| 00:15.07 | raster | thats my advice |
| 00:15.08 | StealthCP | hmm ok |
| 00:15.14 | raster | no one listens of course |
| 00:15.23 | raster | but i know what the glamo can and can't do |
| 00:15.26 | raster | compositing == don' |
| 00:15.30 | raster | compositing == don't bother |
| 00:16.45 | raster | i can go explaining if u must know |
| 00:16.50 | raster | but glamo has too many limitations |
| 00:16.55 | raster | where it speeds thng X up |
| 00:17.02 | StealthCP | I get ya |
| 00:17.07 | raster | it wil slow thing Y down |
| 00:17.07 | raster | eg |
| 00:17.16 | raster | it can ONLY composite TO rgb565 |
| 00:17.16 | raster | no destination ARGB32 supported |
| 00:17.26 | raster | that emans all rendering of an ARGB32 window surface (ie a window with an alpha channel) |
| 00:17.31 | raster | needs to be done in software and copied up |
| 00:17.37 | raster | rgb32 is 2x the data of rgb565 |
| 00:17.42 | raster | thus uplaods will be 1/2 the speed |
| 00:17.48 | raster | and u still software render it |
| 00:17.57 | StealthCP | i see.. didn't know that |
| 00:17.59 | raster | and in return the compositing itself now is accelerated |
| 00:18.05 | raster | so you win on compositing |
| 00:18.15 | raster | lose on updates |
| 00:18.18 | StealthCP | heh |
| 00:18.20 | StealthCP | yep |
| 00:18.26 | raster | lose any accelration you can have for rendering the contents |
| 00:18.41 | raster | admittedly evas if using software engines isnt using accel anyway |
| 00:18.47 | raster | you can use xrender |
| 00:18.50 | raster | but evas uplaods rgb565 |
| 00:18.53 | raster | not arg32 |
| 00:19.03 | raster | err argb32 |
| 00:19.28 | raster | i can go list everything - but in the end you likely will get things slower, not faster |
| 00:19.46 | raster | withotu compositing you can work on accel - and likely not get any speedups - stand still |
| 00:20.00 | raster | and chances are you'll still be using the cpu a lot |
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| 00:20.26 | raster | if you add compositing you change the entire pipeline and thus my bet is on a partial slowdown from what you have now |
| 00:20.30 | raster | even with al the accel you can manage |
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| 00:21.07 | raster | of course... you are free to prove me wrong :) |
| 00:22.58 | Slaxxin | stealthcp try adding an applicatation or your choice |
| 00:23.08 | Slaxxin | of* |
| 00:23.36 | Slaxxin | fbreader is a good 1 |
| 00:24.16 | Slaxxin | see if bright player will work for us |
| 00:24.26 | raster | now.. on a better piece of hardware - i might consider it |
| 00:24.30 | Slaxxin | is u still have shr |
| 00:24.32 | raster | drop to qvga and get yourself 133DDR ram and i'd even think it might be doable without acceleration |
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| 00:31.38 | StealthCP | raster, I got you on that |
| 00:31.52 | StealthCP | yes the acceleration would be better spent on other things rather than composition :P |
| 00:33.34 | StealthCP | Slaxxin, what's a recommended media player? |
| 00:34.23 | Slaxxin | i would think anything at the applicatations wiki would suffice |
| 00:34.33 | Slaxxin | or opkg.org |
| 00:34.41 | sicu | StealthCP: did you get the keyboard showing? should be on the top shelf by default :/ |
| 00:34.55 | StealthCP | sicu, yes I did |
| 00:35.01 | StealthCP | thanks :) |
| 00:35.01 | sicu | good good |
| 00:35.11 | StealthCP | look at all this support |
| 00:35.19 | StealthCP | this is bril, I want a coffee now |
| 00:35.31 | sicu | hehe ... SHR ftw ;p |
| 00:35.42 | Slaxxin | it is pretty |
| 00:35.53 | StealthCP | I'm gonna phone it |
| 00:35.58 | StealthCP | and see if phone works |
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| 00:36.46 | Slaxxin | yaaaaa |
| 00:36.47 | StealthCP | oh my god.. |
| 00:37.10 | StealthCP | it even woke up from standby |
| 00:37.18 | Mortak | ugly ring sound, uh? :) |
| 00:37.29 | StealthCP | it's better than my stomach |
| 00:37.43 | StealthCP | and Mofi, a simple yet working Wifi gui |
| 00:37.56 | Slaxxin | it worked? |
| 00:38.02 | sicu | ugh ... don't like mofi :p |
| 00:38.15 | StealthCP | better than nothing at this stage |
| 00:38.26 | StealthCP | no, it doesn't look like it's working |
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| 00:38.34 | Slaxxin | if i could make it work maybe |
| 00:38.40 | sicu | do you have phonelog too StealthCP? |
| 00:38.49 | sicu | can't remember if it's there in testing ... |
| 00:39.01 | Slaxxin | pre 16 images no |
| 00:39.10 | sicu | ahh .. k |
| 00:39.29 | StealthCP | i do indeed |
| 00:39.34 | Slaxxin | or maybe 15th |
| 00:39.53 | StealthCP | missed calls, received and made all nice and seperate |
| 00:39.55 | StealthCP | colours |
| 00:40.05 | StealthCP | what else, maybe I'll send it an SMS |
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| 00:40.12 | Slaxxin | install an applicatation with opkg an lets see if it works |
| 00:40.21 | StealthCP | see if it takes longer than a reboot to receive :P |
| 00:40.31 | sicu | Slaxxin: i do it all the time, never had any problems |
| 00:40.43 | Mortak | i miss some kind of a "you have missed calls" popup at the desktop |
| 00:40.51 | Slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.03 | StealthCP | ok how do I close applications? |
| 00:41.11 | Slaxxin | X |
| 00:41.14 | StealthCP | in om2008 I had a tiny thing called 'remove' |
| 00:41.14 | Mortak | big x at topshelf :) |
| 00:41.21 | StealthCP | oh LOL |
| 00:41.28 | StealthCP | thanks :P |
| 00:41.31 | sicu | StealthCP: or quick press on pwrbtn and then select X from the list |
| 00:41.32 | Mortak | ^^ |
| 00:42.13 | StealthCP | so an application (Mofi) has frozen |
| 00:42.20 | StealthCP | I can use htop to bring it down \o/ |
| 00:42.33 | StealthCP | though, a kill button would be a nice to have feature |
| 00:42.45 | Slaxxin | X it |
| 00:42.47 | dufflebunk | mofi always locks on me too |
| 00:42.50 | StealthCP | or a popup about an application being unresponsive, do you want to kill it |
| 00:42.52 | Slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.57 | StealthCP | oh hmm |
| 00:43.02 | StealthCP | took it a while |
| 00:43.16 | StealthCP | yeah and those boxes need to be scrollable |
| 00:43.22 | StealthCP | content that's too big for the screen |
| 00:43.27 | StealthCP | how do we work around that? |
| 00:43.48 | sicu | Slaxxin: do you get any output when trying to install a package ? |
| 00:44.09 | Slaxxin | its been a few days |
| 00:44.37 | Slaxxin | i shall wite it down |
| 00:44.53 | Dave | I see sicus |
| 00:44.58 | Slaxxin | some just never appear after install |
| 00:45.13 | Dave | SLAXIN |
| 00:45.17 | Slaxxin | wat |
| 00:45.20 | StealthCP | brb |
| 00:45.33 | Slaxxin | happy new year Daave |
| 00:45.46 | sicu | Dave! |
| 00:46.12 | sicu | heh .. bit early for the fireworks still mr Slaxxin :p |
| 00:46.35 | Slaxxin | we have 1 extra second this year |
| 00:46.50 | Slaxxin | MR? |
| 00:47.04 | Slaxxin | o i forgot i AM old |
| 00:47.29 | sicu | Slaxxin: a lot of apps have some wird category in the .desktop file ... if you just change it to something like: Office; it will display correctly |
| 00:47.46 | Slaxxin | wow that is wierd |
| 00:47.51 | sicu | though if it dosn't run from terminal, then it wont help much |
| 00:48.06 | sicu | s/dos/does/ |
| 00:48.32 | Slaxxin | its ok though considering what we are working with here |
| 00:49.27 | sicu | the FR is great =] |
| 00:50.29 | Dave | :P |
| 00:50.50 | Dave | apt meant, you're all fools! |
| 00:51.08 | sicu | haha |
| 00:51.48 | Mortak | can anyone help me with this error while "make image"? http://pastebin.com/m17d4f601 |
| 00:52.02 | Dave | make mordor |
| 00:52.21 | Mortak | btw. its shr :) |
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| 00:55.12 | Mortak | any ideas? :) |
| 00:55.39 | StealthCP | ok.. media player wise, what's everyone's choice? |
| 00:55.59 | Dave | something that works? :P |
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| 00:56.04 | Dave | Hi Ken |
| 00:56.11 | StealthCP | I liked the Qtopia media player, albeit the buggyness and memory leaks |
| 00:56.16 | KenYoung | Hi Dave - What's new with you? |
| 00:56.52 | Dave | Nothing relating to Openmoko, that's for sure. |
| 00:57.34 | StealthCP | pythm just about works |
| 00:57.40 | StealthCP | well cool :) |
| 00:57.53 | sicu | Mortak: sorry, no idea |
| 00:58.09 | Mortak | sicu: :) no problem |
| 01:00.53 | StealthCP | man alsamixer's a bag of fun :P |
| 01:00.55 | kW | Mortak: what is the contents of /usr/src/openmoko/shr/shr-testing/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/python-etk-0.3.0+svnr37812-r0/temp/log.do_compile.23031 ? |
| 01:01.05 | StealthCP | this is more advanced than I'd previously thought |
| 01:02.14 | StealthCP | wait |
| 01:02.19 | StealthCP | why is GPS not working |
| 01:03.32 | sicu | kW: isn't that log posted @ line 40 and onwards ? |
| 01:03.44 | sicu | in the pastebin Mortak provided |
| 01:03.47 | kW | sicu: I see |
| 01:04.49 | sicu | Mortak: though you're not builing the same image, it seems you have the same error as: http://n2.nabble.com/FSO-compile-error-tp681272p796054.html |
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| 01:07.25 | Mortak | sicu: found this thread earlier, but i cant see a solution for my problem |
| 01:07.31 | Mortak | maybe im too tired now |
| 01:07.50 | sicu | Mortak: and there it seemed to be an issue in --autorev--.inc ... and quickdev and mrmoku were doing some modifications wrt shr-unstable-autorev.inc just a couple of hours ago |
| 01:08.16 | sicu | Mortak: but could just be a coinsidence ... i have no idea |
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| 01:08.57 | Mortak | i'll try it tomorrow :) |
| 01:09.17 | Mortak | but thx! |
| 01:14.48 | StealthCP | http://pastebin.com/d5fb6d844 |
| 01:14.56 | StealthCP | problem here with GPS |
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| 01:20.16 | StealthCP | any thoughts? |
| 01:26.33 | kW | There was a page on http://wiki.openmoko.org/ talking about an upgrade path from Om2008.9 to Om2008.12 without re-flashing, but now it seems vanished... does anybody know how to perform this upgrade? |
| 01:27.08 | kW | StealthCP: what does "bash -x /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start" say? |
| 01:27.38 | StealthCP | it's init.d/fso-gpsd that's screwed a bit |
| 01:27.42 | StealthCP | I'm trying to fix it up |
| 01:28.18 | StealthCP | and I don't have bash :p |
| 01:29.02 | kW | StealthCP: what does "cat /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd | grep start-stop" say? |
| 01:29.16 | kW | apparently "start-stop-daemon" does get a "-P" parameter which it does not expect |
| 01:29.39 | StealthCP | http://pastebin.com/mcd4673e |
| 01:29.43 | StealthCP | that's my changes so far |
| 01:29.50 | StealthCP | I replaced -P with --pidfile |
| 01:29.58 | StealthCP | and moved it, still nothing |
| 01:30.03 | StealthCP | added --make-pidfile |
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| 01:31.40 | kW | StealthCP: well, the "start-stop-daemon" on your system (provided by busybox) does not seem to support other paramters besides "-S" or "-K" |
| 01:31.45 | StealthCP | someone couldn't pastebin, show me theirs? |
| 01:32.00 | StealthCP | i see |
| 01:32.23 | StealthCP | well this is testing branch |
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| 01:42.33 | StealthCP | got it working |
| 01:42.34 | StealthCP | I think |
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| 01:48.23 | StealthCP | nope |
| 01:48.32 | StealthCP | well fixed the init script |
| 01:48.45 | StealthCP | but fso-gpsd doesn't seem to work well anyway |
| 01:51.13 | StealthCP | (at all) |
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| 02:06.05 | kW | mhh |
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| 02:09.28 | Dave | boing |
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| 02:44.33 | kW | I just trashed my production rootfs and the backup (created by dfu-util) proved to be worthless :-(( |
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| 02:51.11 | Slaxxin | ooo my god whats next |
| 02:51.41 | Slaxxin | superdave |
| 02:51.48 | kW | and guess what how I got it trashed: "opkg upgrade" and some time later "opkg: write: No space left on device" |
| 02:52.16 | Slaxxin | its alll still a big damn test |
| 02:53.24 | Slaxxin | never know whats going to happen nextt aint it fun |
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| 02:54.09 | Slaxxin | i really liked the earlier shrs |
| 02:54.42 | kW | mhh... :-\ |
| 02:55.06 | kW | Does anybody know the correct block erase size of the freerunner? |
| 02:55.41 | Slaxxin | dave how would i go about changing me keyboard to the black background w/white letters in 2008.12? |
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| 03:04.34 | Dave | I wouldn't know. |
| 03:04.41 | Dave | I don't do 2008.X anymore. |
| 03:04.55 | KenYoung | Dave - what's your current stack? |
| 03:06.00 | Slaxxin | shr? |
| 03:06.06 | Slaxxin | fso |
| 03:07.04 | Dave | 2007 and SHR |
| 03:07.14 | Dave | Those are my two primary distros |
| 03:07.38 | KenYoung | Dave, Why hang on to 2007? |
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| 03:08.52 | Dave | It's still awesome? |
| 03:09.13 | Dave | I wouldn't be using it if it didn't do some things that no other distro did the same or well enough. |
| 03:09.16 | Dave | ;] |
| 03:14.56 | Slaxxin | awwww |
| 03:15.16 | Slaxxin | dont wanna lose that bbt? |
| 03:16.26 | Dave | bbt? |
| 03:16.41 | Slaxxin | bad block table |
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| 03:17.58 | Dave | haha |
| 03:19.23 | Slaxxin | shr gps working for ya ? |
| 03:20.33 | Slaxxin | can i install tango to my desktop an track friends on ,,say a tomtom? |
| 03:21.00 | Dave | probably ;D |
| 03:21.08 | Dave | Will you be our friend, slaxin? :) |
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| 03:21.18 | Slaxxin | i try |
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| 03:21.45 | Slaxxin | i will set my spot to nyc |
| 03:23.36 | Slaxxin | come join us off the coast of africa |
| 03:23.56 | Dave | o_O |
| 03:24.09 | Dave | What the fuck. I thought you were in texass or something :P |
| 03:24.22 | KenYoung | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:25.20 | Slaxxin | arrrrgg |
| 03:26.14 | Slaxxin | chinese no take prisoners |
| 03:26.29 | openmoko | fuckin' asian |
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| 03:30.57 | Slaxxin | i know u didint just call me asian |
| 03:31.59 | Dave | ;p |
| 03:33.12 | Slaxxin | no dave my daughter lives in dallas |
| 03:33.49 | Slaxxin | i like next door to walmarts office in bentonville Ar. |
| 03:34.11 | Slaxxin | im a hick not an asian |
| 03:34.41 | KenYoung | Hooray for us hicks! |
| 03:34.48 | Slaxxin | yeeehaaa |
| 03:34.51 | Dave | :) |
| 03:34.59 | Dave | hehe |
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| 03:52.41 | mwester | hurray for bib overalls! ;) (sorry 'bout the walmart thing though, that has to suck) |
| 03:52.43 | seameat | ok, time to ditch FDOM |
| 03:53.15 | seameat | anyone using hackable1? |
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| 03:53.22 | KenYoung | I wish there were an FDOM version of 2008.12. |
| 03:53.42 | seameat | KenYoung, FDOM is just cluttered. it irritated me |
| 03:54.07 | KenYoung | seameat, You can uninstall a lot of the stuff if you don't like it. |
| 03:54.25 | seameat | KenYoung, and perhaps it was me not looking hard enough, but i couldn't find a backspace on the keyboard and i couldn't figure out how to close out processes |
| 03:54.40 | seameat | KenYoung, fair enough, ken :) |
| 03:55.55 | KenYoung | seameat, There is a full keyboard is you select the "terminal" layout. |
| 03:56.10 | KenYoung | Including backspace. |
| 03:56.31 | Dave | :) |
| 03:56.40 | KenYoung | seameat, Closing processes is the same under FDOM as with any other 2008.x distribution. |
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| 03:57.19 | seameat | KenYoung, i see, let me give it another shot then. |
| 03:57.38 | seameat | KenYoung, i thought it was short press on power button |
| 03:58.17 | KenYoung | seameat, No, that's kill process for 2007.x distributions. Under 2008.x, a short power button press suspends. |
| 03:58.53 | KenYoung | seameat, The button functions were more useful under 2007.x than 2008.x, IMHO, but that has nothing to do with FDOM. |
| 03:59.22 | Slaxxin | seameat u tried shr? |
| 03:59.25 | rooly | snickers at people still using broken asu's |
| 03:59.44 | seameat | Slaxxin, i have not |
| 03:59.51 | Slaxxin | u need shr |
| 03:59.57 | seameat | KenYoung, then how do you kill process? |
| 04:00.21 | seameat | Slaxxin, lol. i'll give it a shot... i want to try lots of distros before i setlle on one |
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| 04:04.28 | KenYoung | seameat, Under 2008.x and FDOM, to kill a process you pull down the top bar, and hit the big "X". |
| 04:05.18 | seameat | KenYoung, aahhhh ok |
| 04:08.04 | Slaxxin | rooly which os u running? |
| 04:08.30 | rooly | qtopia 4.3.2 |
| 04:08.36 | rooly | stable and reliable |
| 04:08.40 | rooly | except for when an sms waks it up |
| 04:08.45 | rooly | doesn't always go thru |
| 04:08.52 | rooly | lets see: |
| 04:09.37 | rooly | no power managerment from ring themes, no sms doesn't always arrive propperly when causing a wakeup, and headphones don't work right |
| 04:10.43 | rooly | to be specific, power management from ring themes causes qtopia to crash, but reboots fine with the power management enabled |
| 04:10.59 | Slaxxin | there u have it folks |
| 04:11.17 | rooly | oh, i forgot, qtopia apps crash when attempting a dns search |
| 04:11.28 | rooly | but gprs works perfectly well |
| 04:11.38 | rooly | on 4.3.2 |
| 04:11.41 | Slaxxin | bluetooth |
| 04:11.59 | rooly | i havven't managed to get a headset working with any os, but qtopia is the closest |
| 04:12.09 | rooly | bluetooth supports all but PAN |
| 04:12.29 | rooly | windows doesn't seem to be able to tether it |
| 04:13.00 | rooly | qtopia 4.3.2 is the most stable available |
| 04:13.06 | rooly | except for maybe 2007.11 |
| 04:13.17 | rooly | but that one can't wake up, and if it does, has no sound |
| 04:14.01 | rooly | qte 4.4.1 is kinda stable, and includes bluetooth, but the sms cloning is unbearable |
| 04:15.07 | rooly | oh, the dialer app, during a phone call, doesn't always change visual state properly. it will still show itself as 'dialing' even tho you are talking |
| 04:15.13 | Slaxxin | is the next qt near? |
| 04:15.51 | rooly | mwester said something about 4.4.3 being in the repostory |
| 04:16.03 | Slaxxin | everyone avoids that question |
| 04:16.29 | rooly | you'll have to ask the trolltech people |
| 04:16.31 | Slaxxin | where? |
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| 04:16.39 | Slaxxin | oic |
| 04:16.41 | rooly | iunno, maybe on their mailing list |
| 04:19.27 | seameat | Slaxxin, ok, slaxxin, so if i want SHR I have to make my own image, correct? |
| 04:21.25 | seameat | Slaxxin, nevermind, found the documentation |
| 04:23.06 | Dave | mooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 04:23.23 | Slaxxin | u can |
| 04:23.53 | Slaxxin | just get an image |
| 04:24.17 | seameat | Slaxxin, there is a pre-built image? do you know where i can find that? all i am finding is instructions for making my own |
| 04:24.37 | Slaxxin | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 04:25.45 | Slaxxin | that link is sorted" last modified" to ease your discomfort |
| 04:26.30 | Slaxxin | they seem to be a little stale |
| 04:26.39 | seameat | Slaxxin, awesome, thank you. now, i am kind of new to all this... all i need is the rootfs, correct? i am using the 2008.9 kernel and the latest u-boot |
| 04:26.53 | Slaxxin | proly working on something large |
| 04:27.28 | Slaxxin | well i would use a kernel from that page but im a newb too |
| 04:27.37 | seameat | ok i see |
| 04:28.17 | rooly | slap in a mwester's kernel |
| 04:28.42 | rooly | and its associated utility package |
| 04:28.54 | rooly | and then it won't matter which OS you use |
| 04:29.00 | rooly | it'll still wak up propperly |
| 04:29.10 | rooly | (except for android...that doesn't run on a standard kernel) |
| 04:29.25 | seameat | rooly, orly? |
| 04:29.32 | rooly | yarly |
| 04:29.47 | seameat | rooly, and where might i find this mythical kernel? |
| 04:30.15 | rooly | i could tell you look in the wiki or on google...but i guess i'll go and find it for you |
| 04:30.29 | seameat | lol if i google mwester, let's see........... |
| 04:30.42 | seameat | sorry me asking you to find it was kinda lame haha |
| 04:30.56 | Slaxxin | same as qtopias? |
| 04:31.09 | rooly | not quite |
| 04:31.14 | Slaxxin | i dont know |
| 04:31.22 | Slaxxin | ok |
| 04:32.32 | rooly | http://moko.mwester.net/index.html |
| 04:32.43 | rooly | snoop around in there, and make sure you READ what you are downloading |
| 04:32.52 | seameat | rooly, lol, just found it via gewgle. thanks rooly. |
| 04:33.01 | seameat | rooly, indeed, reading is key |
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| 04:41.30 | seameat | rooly, ok, so i flashed mwester's kernel... what do i need to do with the 'minimal module set'? |
| 04:44.24 | rooly|away | once your OS is installed, copy that over to the phone and extract it in the root |
| 04:44.35 | seameat | rooly, ooooooooh ok |
| 04:45.28 | rooly|away | mv file.tar.gz (or maybe its .tgz) / |
| 04:45.40 | rooly|away | tar -xvzf file.tar (.tgz) |
| 04:45.53 | seameat | rooly, great thanks. sorry about newbie questions :) |
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| 04:46.44 | rooly|away | np |
| 04:46.50 | rooly|away | everybody is a nublet at some point |
| 04:46.55 | seameat | :) |
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| 04:53.07 | rooly|away | okay |
| 04:53.08 | rooly|away | going to bed |
| 04:53.14 | rooly|away | gots to be up real early like |
| 04:53.45 | seameat | thanks again rooly |
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| 05:25.44 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: Ahhh, could it be? The kernel I downloaded from your site seems to be both usable, and free of the accelerometer bug! :) |
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| 05:36.47 | openmoko | Sun Dec 28 21:36:47 PST 2008 |
| 05:37.31 | Slaxxin | raster |
| 05:38.30 | Slaxxin | how do i get the terminal keyboard on 2008.12 with white keys an black background |
| 05:40.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Slaxxin: There's a page on the wiki about switching keyboards. |
| 05:41.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Anyone know what to do if udhcpc doesn't work? Specifically, it keeps saying "Sending discover..." over and over again, and it says "run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1" quite a bit too. |
| 05:41.58 | Slaxxin | ya but i cant seem to figure out how to get that one keyboard |
| 05:42.15 | Digital_Pioneer | What do you want? Matchbox? |
| 05:42.20 | Slaxxin | rebooting will cure that |
| 05:42.45 | Slaxxin | blackbacground |
| 05:42.47 | Digital_Pioneer | The udhcpc issue? No, I've rebooted many times, and it's never helped. |
| 05:42.53 | Slaxxin | oo |
| 05:43.12 | Slaxxin | is the acess point open? |
| 05:43.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Yes, though I've tried it on several different APs. |
| 05:44.10 | Digital_Pioneer | It also complains about 99avahi-autoipd exiting code 1... |
| 05:44.34 | Digital_Pioneer | Those scripts only exit code 1 if there is no parameter passed. Methinks udhcpc is broken. |
| 05:44.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Not passing the parameter. |
| 05:47.37 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, maybe not... IDK. |
| 05:49.36 | Slaxxin | maybe some modules not installed |
| 05:50.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Modules? |
| 05:50.41 | Digital_Pioneer | I just switched to an mwester kernel, haven't been installing separate modules since then. |
| 05:51.07 | Slaxxin | depending if u use some other kernel besides the recomended 1 |
| 05:51.34 | Slaxxin | the basic modules might be needed |
| 05:51.34 | Digital_Pioneer | And I've not rebooted since installing modules for mwester kernel. Need I do that now? |
| 05:51.42 | Slaxxin | oo |
| 05:53.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Ah-ha!! |
| 05:54.19 | Digital_Pioneer | I've figured out why my perfectly good stock battery isn't working right now, and I see any error about not getting a status property at boot. It's Qi's fault. |
| 05:54.34 | Digital_Pioneer | Using u-Boot, that doesn't happen! |
| 05:56.30 | Digital_Pioneer | The reboot did not fix the DHCP issue though. |
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| 05:58.01 | Slaxxin | i didnt install the modules an my wifi hooked up |
| 05:58.28 | Slaxxin | meoem worked |
| 05:58.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Calling avahi-autoipd manually appears to work. |
| 06:04.03 | raster | Slaxxin: i dont use 2008.x - so i' |
| 06:04.08 | raster | Slaxxin: i dont use 2008.x - so i'm the wrong one to ask |
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| 06:31.06 | Digital_Pioneer | Is there a way to make vala-terminal start with a smaller font? :\ |
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| 06:39.49 | alphabeat1 | anyone know how to debug the qt apps on 2008.12? they won't start and i can't find any output to work out what's wrong. not much in x.log or messages |
| 06:40.13 | AntonTakk | try running them from a terminal? |
| 06:40.41 | KenYoung | alphabeat1, Which apps are giving you trouble? |
| 06:40.42 | Digital_Pioneer | AntonTakk: That's usually the first line of business. |
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| 06:41.15 | AntonTakk | Digital_Pioneer: yeah, if you happen to know much about troubleshooting *nix |
| 06:41.22 | Digital_Pioneer | KenYoung: You can go ahead and hit two letters before hitting tab, you know. ;) |
| 06:41.42 | Digital_Pioneer | AntonTakk: SSH in, run from terminal, and pastebin output for us. :) |
| 06:42.13 | AntonTakk | Digital_Pioneer: no, my earlier comment was for alphabeat1 |
| 06:42.14 | alphabeat1 | dialer/contacts/messages |
| 06:42.36 | alphabeat1 | AntonTakk: qcop service just returns. i believe this is normal though |
| 06:42.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh, I'm an idiot. |
| 06:42.56 | AntonTakk | alphabeat1: probably, any output from the apps? |
| 06:43.05 | KenYoung | Digital_Pioneer, Actually, no. I don't know what you mean. I do use tab completion for names - am I doing something wrong? |
| 06:43.26 | Digital_Pioneer | AntonTakk and alphabeat1both get green in my client, I didn't look at them individually, just figured they were the same nick. :P |
| 06:43.47 | AntonTakk | pfft :-P |
| 06:43.49 | Digital_Pioneer | KenYoung: No, I'm crazy. I thought anton was aking the question. |
| 06:43.54 | Digital_Pioneer | *asking |
| 06:44.30 | AntonTakk | alphabeat1: you know how to run a gui app when sshed in to the fr, right? |
| 06:44.33 | alphabeat1 | Digital_Pioneer: what client is that? |
| 06:44.42 | Digital_Pioneer | alphabeat1: Konversation |
| 06:44.43 | alphabeat1 | AntonTakk: export DISPLAY=:0 yeah? |
| 06:45.01 | AntonTakk | alphabeat1: =:0.0 just to be sure, but yeah |
| 06:45.44 | Digital_Pioneer | No, let's be absolutely certain. export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 |
| 06:45.46 | Digital_Pioneer | :P |
| 06:45.52 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 06:46.25 | Digital_Pioneer | But, no, your hosts file might be really whacked. Best to use DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 |
| 06:46.31 | Digital_Pioneer | :D |
| 06:46.56 | AntonTakk | being exactly pedantically correct never hurt anyone, except the guy explaining schrodinger's cat to the impatient man with a shot gun ;-) |
| 06:47.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Schrodinger's cat? Please explain... |
| 06:47.43 | f3ew | lol |
| 06:47.47 | AntonTakk | hehe |
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| 06:47.56 | AntonTakk | Digital_Pioneer: really? |
| 06:47.57 | Digital_Pioneer | But be quick, I'm in a bad mood and I got an itchy trigger finger. |
| 06:48.03 | AntonTakk | pfft! |
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| 06:49.13 | AntonTakk | welp, night all, gots work in the morning :-\ |
| 06:49.53 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, honestly, I have no idea what shrodinger's cat is... |
| 06:50.01 | Digital_Pioneer | finds a wikipedia article. |
| 06:50.07 | f3ew | Google: Schrodinger's cat |
| 06:50.29 | AntonTakk | schrodinger's cat is a bit complicated for a quick irc explanation |
| 06:51.06 | f3ew | It may or may not be dead |
| 06:51.20 | KenYoung | It is and isn't dead. |
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| 06:51.55 | gecco | good morning |
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| 06:53.59 | AntonTakk | basically, the whole theory revolves around the impossibility of zombie cats ;) - night all |
| 06:54.04 | seameat | lol |
| 06:55.10 | jonsmith1982 | does it take into account that cats have nine lives? |
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| 07:01.33 | Digital_Pioneer | Hydrocyanic poison? Sounds fun. :) |
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| 07:22.28 | Digital_Pioneer | So... Anyone figured out how to get free internet from your cell phone company yet? }:) |
| 07:23.15 | dns53 | by free you mean the most expensive data avalable |
| 07:24.27 | Digital_Pioneer | By free, I mean using their internet services without them knowing I'm doing it, or at least knowing who's doing it. C'mon, all you Linux hackers, surely someone's found a way! :P |
| 07:25.10 | Shlee | Not too many blackhats in this room |
| 07:25.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, too bad. Heheh |
| 07:25.49 | Digital_Pioneer | I can get 1 cent/kb right now, and that'll get real expensive real quick. |
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| 07:57.33 | ColdFyre | but that's because my company pays my bill |
| 08:01.31 | raster | no such thing as a free lunch |
| 08:01.33 | raster | :) |
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| 11:09.46 | Gilly | Heya! Just received my freerunner and updated to Om2008.12 :) Now I'm wondering how to setup Wifi. Don't see a "Wifi entry" in the settings what is the wiki guides to look for. |
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| 11:15.42 | henk | Gilly: only manually afaik |
| 11:15.54 | henk | Gilly: no working reliable wifi gui atm |
| 11:15.56 | Gilly | well, it seems i don't have a terminal program installed either :) |
| 11:16.19 | Gilly | but i just compiled the kernel on my lappy and i'm going to test the usb networking |
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| 11:31.04 | Gilly | yay! got the usb up and running :) |
| 11:41.01 | badcloud | !video ou |
| 11:41.03 | cdbot2 | Sorry, no search results were found. |
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| 11:51.31 | Gilly | has anyone worked on porting ghc (glasgow haskell compiler)? i read that some guy had xmonad running :) |
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| 11:56.14 | lindi- | debian has :) |
| 11:56.55 | Gilly | oh, mm :) could check if it's usable on om |
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| 12:17.13 | Aciid | how do I login to my sim card to display contacts etc. the phone wont ask for a pin code |
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| 12:22.08 | lindi- | Aciid: what have you sent to the gsm chip so far? |
| 12:22.51 | Aciid | I havent hooked up the usb ethernet yet, ill try to debug it first, I was just asking that will it display any authenication automaticly? |
| 12:23.24 | Aciid | yes Im a fool because I didnt try anything before I asked sorry |
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| 12:40.36 | edje2 | hi all, is it possible to set the suspend time from a command prompt ? |
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| 12:59.04 | lindi- | edje2: suspend time? |
| 12:59.53 | edje2 | yup, in settings you can set it to 30 or 60 seconds. or off. can this also be done from the command line? |
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| 13:00.30 | edje2 | or is it just an X setting ( changeable with xset -display :0 s 30 ) |
| 13:00.56 | lindi- | edje2: settings of what program? |
| 13:01.27 | edje2 | om2008.12 -> home -> settings -> susspend |
| 13:01.49 | Shlee | Why the hell does om2008 release still have the install buttons at the bottom.. |
| 13:01.57 | edje2 | the time before the FR goes sleep |
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| 13:20.25 | Shlee | What the fuck is the momment of truth?! |
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| 13:23.23 | CVirus | is listening to Divine Moments of Truth by Shpongle on Are you shpongled? [Amarok] |
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| 14:05.27 | Bertthold_4 | www.pennergame.de/change_please/8815217/ |
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| 14:12.33 | Bertthold_4 | www.pennergame.de/change_please/8815217/ |
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| 14:14.35 | Mortak | hi all |
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| 14:18.38 | lumo | hi |
| 14:19.16 | lumo | runs openmoko on a samsung arm9 processor ? |
| 14:19.34 | Bertthold_4 | www.pennergame.de/change_please/8815217/ |
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| 14:24.44 | jonkristian | wtf |
| 14:25.06 | moritz | according to the documentation GPS on Debian on the Freerunner is supposed to "simpy work". So far I couldn't get tangogps to show my position at all. Is there anything known in this respect? |
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| 14:28.22 | jonkristian | openvibe loool |
| 14:33.17 | christophe | moritz : have you tried to launch the gps utility provided by zhone at the same time ? |
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| 14:37.35 | moritz | Christophe: i tried with and without zhone. |
| 14:37.58 | moritz | christophe: most of the time i have tried without zhone running and with gps enabled manually |
| 14:38.51 | moritz | i wonder if my gps device might be broken. and by the way: i have the GTA02 with the hardware fix for the SD-card related problem |
| 14:39.12 | christophe | well, you have to let the gps application in zhone open and lauch tangogps |
| 14:39.25 | jonkristian | moritz: are you sure you are waiting long enough, prefferably outside? |
| 14:39.38 | jonkristian | moritz: gps is a patience thing, most of the times. |
| 14:39.38 | moritz | well |
| 14:39.51 | moritz | yesterday night i was out and freezing my hands of waiting for a gps signal |
| 14:39.52 | christophe | the first time you use your gps under debian it can take a LONG time ( 20 minutes ) to get the first point |
| 14:40.01 | moritz | damn |
| 14:40.02 | moritz | ;-) |
| 14:40.08 | jonkristian | christophe: that's insane |
| 14:40.18 | moritz | 20 min? |
| 14:40.22 | jonkristian | christophe: well, maybe not, if you're inside. |
| 14:40.25 | moritz | everytime i want to use gps? |
| 14:40.54 | moritz | when i start the gps app inside zhone it shows me: |
| 14:40.57 | moritz | "Lat: N/A" |
| 14:41.01 | christophe | for me it take about 10 minutes but sometime it take 20 :/ |
| 14:41.01 | moritz | "Lon: N/A" |
| 14:41.02 | moritz | and so on |
| 14:41.16 | moritz | that's right so far? now i need to start tangogps? |
| 14:41.38 | christophe | yes, and ... wait |
| 14:41.51 | jonkristian | ... |
| 14:41.57 | moritz | is waiting |
| 14:42.01 | jonkristian | put on some gloves if you plan to go outside;) |
| 14:42.01 | christophe | on the second screen of the zhone's gps application you can see the gps signal |
| 14:42.40 | moritz | hmm |
| 14:42.42 | christophe | when it become green, that's it ! you know where you are :) |
| 14:42.47 | moritz | the "second screen"? |
| 14:43.15 | christophe | there is some 'tabs' with the button above the screen |
| 14:44.07 | moritz | i only see buttons at the bottom of the screen |
| 14:47.38 | moritz | i have the impression that my apps are doing nothing. |
| 14:47.58 | moritz | no status messages nowhere like "trying to reach gps, trying to get a fix" |
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| 14:55.31 | christophe | moritz : I've try to get it working on a fresh debian install and it seems that there is a problem |
| 14:55.49 | christophe | I can't get any gps signals :/ |
| 14:56.13 | moritz | ah |
| 14:56.17 | moritz | nice to hear that |
| 14:56.18 | moritz | =) |
| 14:56.22 | christophe | and i'm sure that my gps is working with other distro |
| 14:56.39 | moritz | i also failed to get it working with the OM distributions |
| 14:57.03 | christophe | few weeks ago, i worked for me ... |
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| 14:57.22 | moritz | christophe: how did you verify that you don't receive any gps signals? |
| 14:57.37 | moritz | something with gpspipe or any other diagnostic tool? |
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| 14:58.01 | moritz | or just with the zhone/tangogps guis? |
| 14:58.13 | christophe | no, just with the second tab of the zhone gps program |
| 14:58.28 | Pander | what was the fix for opkg update signature failures again? I have correct DNS entries that (seen) to work |
| 14:58.31 | Pander | seem |
| 14:58.35 | christophe | it's like a list of satelite |
| 14:59.06 | christophe | i have to go, i'll be back in a few minutes |
| 14:59.16 | moritz | ~ |
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| 15:09.37 | Gilly | is there a way to send ctrl-d using the keyboard on om 2008.12 ? |
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| 15:11.16 | raster | no |
| 15:13.58 | evolux | can someone help me compiling a cython module for the freerunner? |
| 15:14.16 | evolux | i could not find cython in the toolchain |
| 15:16.47 | evolux | sorry, i'll be back in 2 hours or so |
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| 15:27.46 | pcfe | Hello |
| 15:28.08 | almien | anyone know how to make an app full-screen (in python/GTK if that makes a difference) |
| 15:32.41 | laen | almien: isn't that a task for the WM? |
| 15:34.14 | almien | laen: perhaps. But if you have an app which only makes sense when it fills the screen, you don't want the user to have to fiddle with settings to make it work each time they run it |
| 15:35.35 | almien | ok so how would you make (say) enlightenment set your app's window to full-screen each time it runs? |
| 15:40.09 | laen | No idea about enlightment. |
| 15:40.26 | Dave | LANE |
| 15:40.34 | laen | Openbox has such settings from it's menu, and per-app settings or per-app type settings can be done in rc.xml. |
| 15:40.42 | laen | it's ae SEXY DAVE! |
| 15:40.43 | laen | =) |
| 15:41.06 | Dave | ;D |
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| 15:44.41 | laen | How are ya sexy? |
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| 15:50.59 | Dave | pimpin' |
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| 15:54.04 | laen | Sweet. |
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| 15:56.27 | Dave | ;) |
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| 16:08.50 | almien | for reference, answer was: call fullscreen() on gtk.Window object... |
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| 16:20.06 | MrShleee | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=713763707060529304&hl=en :) |
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| 16:20.27 | MrShleee | hopefully you can find a better quality video.. but this works |
| 16:20.35 | MrShleee | Use your imagination |
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| 16:37.19 | christophe_ | what does mean this line in the log of frameworkd : This TI Calypso device suffers from the recamping bug. Turning off sleep mode to recover |
| 16:37.37 | yabo | Hello, are the wireless-drivers stable yet? |
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| 16:38.50 | mwester | yabo: The new kernel has not had enough testing to be able to see how stable the wifi really is. |
| 16:39.15 | yabo | alright |
| 16:39.28 | yabo | also, im looking to install a terminal |
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| 16:39.47 | yabo | can we search the repositories somewhere? |
| 16:40.33 | yabo | oh nevermind |
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| 16:41.58 | Dave | Hi Mwester :) |
| 16:42.43 | yabo | I want to replace the 2008.12 standard keyboard with the one Debian comes with, how do i do that? |
| 16:42.52 | yabo | Matchbox, i guess |
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| 16:43.48 | lindi- | yabo: debian comes with very many keyboards |
| 16:43.59 | yabo | I use 2008.12 |
| 16:44.15 | yabo | and i want the matchbox-keyboard instead of the black qtopia-keyboard |
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| 16:46.37 | almien | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/LED_clock |
| 16:46.43 | almien | newish app |
| 16:46.52 | hajmola | on 2008.12 when I switch to the illume theme, it segfaults all the time... |
| 16:47.40 | hajmola | anyone know any fixes? |
| 16:48.05 | hajmola | nevermind, i found it on the wiki |
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| 16:49.16 | yabo | #opkg install nano | Collected errors: *Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 16:49.17 | yabo | ? |
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| 16:50.00 | yabo | what is that? |
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| 16:51.34 | yabo | oh right, gotta kill packagekitd |
| 16:51.35 | yabo | nevermind |
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| 16:57.12 | baba_melone | Hi, I have recently updated to Om2008.12, but now I dont know how to deactivate the default qtopia keyboard to use matchbox instead |
| 16:57.25 | yabo | hangs onto baba_melone and wants to know aswell |
| 16:57.43 | Deubeuliou | too |
| 16:57.51 | yabo | mwester haaalp! |
| 16:57.56 | Deubeuliou | with Rasterman's keyboard |
| 16:59.10 | baba_melone | so theres no way to use matchbox, which I prefer |
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| 17:03.57 | hajmola | how's flac support in OM? can one of the media players play flac well? |
| 17:04.45 | pcfe | khorben: rumor has it you have a laptop with all the latest images for the FreeRunner. am I correct in assuming that it's faster to reflash than to apply all the updates to a 2008-10-15ish device? |
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| 17:17.51 | evolux | can someone help me compiling a cython module for the freerunner? |
| 17:17.58 | evolux | i couldn't find cython in the toolchain |
| 17:18.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Cython? |
| 17:19.27 | Digital_Pioneer | C-extensions for Python. Never heard of it. |
| 17:19.42 | evolux | the successor of pyrex |
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| 17:20.18 | evolux | it's really cool, just write python code, add c types to your variables and cython compiles it into c code |
| 17:21.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, thing is, I can't compile for FR. Can't get the toolchain up. |
| 17:21.36 | Digital_Pioneer | And I know more C than I do python. LOL |
| 17:24.31 | loufoque | when will an openmoko phone finally be usable as a mobile phone? |
| 17:24.50 | Digital_Pioneer | loufoque: It's already usable as a mobile phone. |
| 17:25.08 | loufoque | by usable, I mean it should have decent GSM support and battery life. |
| 17:25.10 | Digital_Pioneer | It's already usable as a smartphone. You should just know a little about Linux first. |
| 17:25.35 | Digital_Pioneer | *Mine* has fine GSM and battery life. |
| 17:26.58 | loufoque | what about ticket 1662? |
| 17:27.31 | loufoque | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1662 |
| 17:28.55 | Digital_Pioneer | *Shrug* I have not used mine much for an actual phone, but I've not had any trouble. |
| 17:29.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Of course, I knew what to expect when I bought this phone, and I was willing to work with it. |
| 17:29.42 | Digital_Pioneer | If you want a production quality phone... The G1 would probably be a better option. |
| 17:30.13 | moritz | Digital_Pioneer: you can hardly state it IS usable as a mobile phone (for you) when you don't use it for your daily telephone needs. |
| 17:30.33 | kW | Digital_Pioneer: could we hack the G1 as we could hack the freerunner? |
| 17:30.38 | Digital_Pioneer | My daily telephone needs are virtually nonexistent. |
| 17:30.55 | Digital_Pioneer | kW: No clue, but I doubt it. :) That's why I prefer the FR. |
| 17:31.07 | kW | loufoque: I actually do use the freerunner as my primary phone |
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| 17:32.01 | Digital_Pioneer | I have the FR as an awesome piece of hardware more than as a phone, personally. :P |
| 17:33.39 | kW | loufoque: I earlier experienced delayed TXT messages, and on Om2008.9 I experienced bugs once in a while which made it necessary to reboot, but after reboot (which still takes 2..3 minutes) everything works |
| 17:33.46 | Digital_Pioneer | So does anyone know what happened to using it as a 3D mouse? From Valerio's blogpost, I would have thought it was mostly done... So where's the app? :( |
| 17:34.06 | seameat | isn't the app ReMoko? |
| 17:34.23 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: That's the app, but accelerometer mouse appears to be NYI... :( |
| 17:34.31 | loufoque | Digital_Pioneer: what's the G1? |
| 17:34.37 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, ah, i see. i haven't tried it yet |
| 17:34.46 | leinir | loufoque: The first Android phone :) |
| 17:34.48 | Digital_Pioneer | loufoque: HTC Dream. Phone that runs Android. |
| 17:34.52 | seameat | loufoque, G1 is an Android phone |
| 17:35.15 | Digital_Pioneer | Exclusively from T-Mobile. |
| 17:35.19 | Digital_Pioneer | (Bah) |
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| 17:36.08 | evolux | loufoque: FSO works really good for phone use |
| 17:36.38 | Digital_Pioneer | loufoque: Anyways, if you get the FR and have GSM trouble, you might look at flashing an upgrade to your GSM chip. Fixed mine. Wouldn't recognize SIM at first. |
| 17:37.00 | Digital_Pioneer | evolux: You have to build FSO yourself don't you? I couldn't find a jffs2... |
| 17:37.42 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, i actually just got back from the AT&T store. they gave me a new SIM, no hassle and it works |
| 17:37.55 | kW | Digital_Pioneer: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone4.1/ |
| 17:38.06 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: Yup, mine was a little more persnickety. Heheheh |
| 17:38.16 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: Yours a 3G? |
| 17:38.32 | Digital_Pioneer | kW: Well what do you know? Thanx! |
| 17:38.34 | evolux | Digital_Pioneer: yes, i used the images kW mentioned |
| 17:38.46 | evolux | Digital_Pioneer: btw, i also had troubles compiling apps with the toolchain |
| 17:38.54 | evolux | Digital_Pioneer: as long as there are no dependencies, it works fine |
| 17:39.02 | evolux | Digital_Pioneer: but my toolchain is also quite old |
| 17:39.06 | Digital_Pioneer | I have an aclocal version mismatch. |
| 17:39.07 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, yes actually |
| 17:39.24 | Digital_Pioneer | It won't even run configure. |
| 17:39.36 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: Hmm, interesting. So's mine. |
| 17:40.06 | Digital_Pioneer | So what's fso-illume vs. fso-image? |
| 17:40.21 | kW | Digital_Pioneer: I do not know ;-) |
| 17:40.44 | kW | Digital_Pioneer: for myself, I took the biggest image I could find |
| 17:40.48 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm, well, I know what Illume means... So I'll take it. :P |
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| 17:47.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Ugh, stupid kernels... This one won't come out of suspension half the time! Ugh. |
| 17:47.22 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, someone recommended the mwester kernel yesterday |
| 17:47.27 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, it works great! |
| 17:47.31 | Digital_Pioneer | That's what I'm using. |
| 17:47.36 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, let me find the link |
| 17:47.41 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, really?! |
| 17:47.48 | Digital_Pioneer | Yup. |
| 17:47.59 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, what distro are you using? |
| 17:48.03 | Digital_Pioneer | Have to pull the stupid batt because it gets stuck in suspension, can't wake the darn thing up |
| 17:48.08 | Digital_Pioneer | SHR. |
| 17:48.26 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, hmm. i didn't have that problem |
| 17:48.53 | sicu | Digital_Pioneer: i think the illume image lack phone features ... it just illume iirc |
| 17:49.17 | sicu | Digital_Pioneer: so do what kW did and go for the largest one there |
| 17:49.36 | finnarne | hmm. I'm struggling to get my get the modem of my FreeRunner to work. I've been able to use it a couple of times, but then my provider connected my sim to another persons subscription, and now they've reprogrammed it, and I cant get it to work :( |
| 17:49.38 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, now you tell me. :P |
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| 17:50.19 | finnarne | I get ERROR in respons to AT+COPS (sorry for shouting) |
| 17:50.49 | sicu | hehe ... i only read through the past couple hrs just now ;p |
| 17:53.41 | Dave | SICU |
| 17:54.00 | sicu | =] dave |
| 17:54.13 | sicu | what's new? |
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| 17:55.40 | Dave | Certainly not openmoko :P |
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| 17:57.38 | sicu | true :/ |
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| 18:02.51 | Dave | :( |
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| 18:03.53 | Dave | I demand reparations! |
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| 18:08.02 | Dave | Lorns |
| 18:13.15 | Digital_Pioneer | repeairs Dave |
| 18:13.36 | Digital_Pioneer | *repairs |
| 18:14.45 | sicu | ~repair dave |
| 18:14.46 | apt | ACTION opens the toolbox, picks up the hammer and aims at dave's head |
| 18:15.11 | sicu | aww .. heavy measures |
| 18:15.42 | seameat | lol |
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| 18:17.01 | Dave | :p |
| 18:17.10 | Dave | ow |
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| 18:17.19 | Dave | sicu... I'LL FIX YOU! |
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| 18:19.32 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, there IS a bot in here, ehh? |
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| 18:19.37 | Digital_Pioneer | ~help |
| 18:20.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, here we are. |
| 18:20.17 | Digital_Pioneer | ~lart Dave |
| 18:20.17 | apt | decapitates Dave conan the destroyer style |
| 18:20.44 | [Rui] | hi, can a solar charger like those on http://www.solio.com/charger/explore-solio/tech-spec.html be used for charging a Freerunner? |
| 18:20.45 | Digital_Pioneer | ~lobotomy apt |
| 18:20.45 | apt | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on apt |
| 18:21.22 | [Rui] | I don't understand much of electricity, it has as a DC Output 3V 2A but the OpenMoko charger is 5V 2A |
| 18:21.45 | [Rui] | hms... I must've tuned into a MUD instead of IRC... |
| 18:21.51 | Defiant-_ | probably not |
| 18:21.58 | Digital_Pioneer | [Rui]: LOL |
| 18:22.08 | Digital_Pioneer | ~unlobotomy apt |
| 18:22.33 | Dave | go north |
| 18:22.37 | Dave | go east |
| 18:22.51 | Dave | roll onion nw |
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| 18:23.09 | [Rui] | casts of spell of silence on all those who don't know their electricity enough to help me :) |
| 18:23.11 | Dave | :) |
| 18:23.39 | Dave | Rui, in answer to your solar question, I don't see why not. |
| 18:23.55 | [Rui] | Dave: well, I don't see why not either, but I don't see why as well :) |
| 18:24.07 | Digital_Pioneer | ~upsidedown [Rui] |
| 18:24.23 | [Rui] | I don't know if giving it 3V instead of 5V is a problem or not, or which are the consequences. |
| 18:24.30 | [Rui] | is it just a matter of slower charging? |
| 18:24.35 | Defiant-_ | [Rui]: no thats A |
| 18:24.46 | Digital_Pioneer | loves bots. |
| 18:25.11 | seameat | Dave, lol @ roll onion nw |
| 18:25.17 | [Rui] | Defiant-_: so "probably not" was a message to me? |
| 18:25.24 | Defiant-_ | [Rui]: the moko charger might work with 3-5V but there is a high chance it does not (how much does the battery have?) |
| 18:25.28 | Defiant-_ | [Rui]: yes |
| 18:26.09 | [Rui] | Defiant-_: in the battery it is written 3.7 |
| 18:26.29 | Defiant-_ | [Rui]: then its a no instead of probably not |
| 18:26.30 | [Rui] | the DC output of the solio sun charger is 3V 2A |
| 18:27.15 | [Rui] | ouch, my poor brother spent a lot on that and my biggest use case won't work... that's why he shouldn't make this surprise gifts... :( |
| 18:27.30 | Dave | seameat ;D |
| 18:27.51 | Dave | high-fives himself and seameat |
| 18:28.04 | Digital_Pioneer | ~nickometer Dave |
| 18:28.09 | Dave | \o/ |
| 18:28.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh |
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| 18:28.24 | Dave | Unlike all YOU lamers. |
| 18:28.31 | Dave | Defiant-_-; |
| 18:28.34 | Digital_Pioneer | ~lart Dave |
| 18:28.34 | apt | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Dave |
| 18:29.01 | jonkristian | stabs apt in the head on behalf of Dave |
| 18:29.07 | Digital_Pioneer | ~lart himself |
| 18:29.07 | apt | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays himself in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
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| 18:30.02 | seameat | Dave, hells yeah |
| 18:30.18 | Dave | :D |
| 18:30.27 | seameat | apt, lol |
| 18:30.28 | apt | methinks lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
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| 18:31.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Haha |
| 18:31.52 | [Rui] | damn. |
| 18:31.56 | [Rui] | Defiant-_: thanks :) |
| 18:32.05 | Defiant-_ | [Rui]: sorry to say that |
| 18:32.07 | Dave | apt u |
| 18:32.08 | apt | no jd666 |
| 18:32.36 | [Rui] | Defiant-_: what would be the consequences had I plugged them? nothing? I would ruin the battery sooner? |
| 18:33.08 | seameat | apt, heh |
| 18:33.09 | apt | heh |
| 18:33.14 | Defiant-_ | [Rui]: That depends on the electronic. I don't know. If you plug it into the openmoko probaly nothing will happen. |
| 18:33.42 | [Rui] | Defiant-_: ah... ok |
| 18:33.52 | Defiant-_ | just: Don't use it to charge the battary directly if the battery is not supported |
| 18:33.52 | Digital_Pioneer | Freerunners are smart. :) |
| 18:34.25 | Defiant-_ | LiIon batteries can explode...also Lipoly are worse... |
| 18:34.27 | Digital_Pioneer | tries FSO. |
| 18:34.44 | [Rui] | Defiant-_: nice |
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| 18:34.57 | Montgoss | I've got a quick question. anyone here? |
| 18:35.04 | Digital_Pioneer | ~lart Montgoss |
| 18:35.04 | apt | puts Montgoss into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Montgoss's hair of |
| 18:35.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Montgoss: Yeah, wassup? ;) |
| 18:35.38 | Montgoss | when booting from microsd, can I/how do you mount the internal flash for access? |
| 18:35.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, OK, I'll quit playing with the bot. |
| 18:36.16 | Digital_Pioneer | I would expect it would have the same devnode... |
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| 18:36.40 | Montgoss | which devnode would that be? :-/ |
| 18:37.22 | Defiant-_ | yes the names are really....intuitive |
| 18:37.26 | Digital_Pioneer | Good question. |
| 18:38.44 | Montgoss | i don't see anything obvious like /dev/internalflash... |
| 18:39.37 | Defiant-_ | look for something you would never think of beeing a flash drive. /dev/m.... something with lots of numbers and chars |
| 18:39.47 | Defiant-_ | :) |
| 18:40.28 | Montgoss | i've got /dev/mtd# and /dev/mtd#ro for 0 through 6 |
| 18:40.40 | Montgoss | and some /dev/mtdblock# for 0 - 6 |
| 18:41.24 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, wow. FSO looks really good. |
| 18:41.31 | igor321 | who in their right mind would prefer the qtopia keyboard over raster's |
| 18:41.39 | igor321 | what's wrong with these om people |
| 18:41.58 | Tm_T | er? |
| 18:42.02 | Defiant-_ | everything is better then the om2008.x keyboard |
| 18:42.26 | Defiant-_ | oh btw: if you don't know rosetta, check it out - http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ |
| 18:43.32 | Montgoss | i think it's mtdblock6, but it demands i specify a filesystem type, and none of the ones I've tried worked |
| 18:43.50 | Montgoss | it says mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mtdblock6 |
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| 18:44.19 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, I take it back. FSO is horrifyingly ugly, Zhone is really good looking. :P |
| 18:45.48 | seameat | heh |
| 18:45.58 | Montgoss | i tried vfat, ext2 and ext3. same error every time |
| 18:47.05 | [Rui] | igor321: something very wrong, definitly ;) |
| 18:47.12 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, gave FSO a fair shot, back to SHR. :P Can I get Zhone on SHR? |
| 18:47.33 | igor321 | Defiant-_: did you try this on the moko? |
| 18:48.06 | [Rui] | zhone is horrible, I wonder if tichy/paroli are already at least just as usable |
| 18:48.24 | igor321 | paroli looks really pretty |
| 18:48.30 | igor321 | i'm looking forward to it |
| 18:48.59 | Digital_Pioneer | [Rui]: *Shrug* It looked good to me, and it read my texts correctly. |
| 18:49.25 | [Rui] | Digital_Pioneer: yeah, but it definitly sucks |
| 18:49.34 | Digital_Pioneer | [Rui]: Why's that? |
| 18:49.51 | [Rui] | Digital_Pioneer: refresh from screen rotation is so bad I can hardly find the words to define it |
| 18:49.58 | [Rui] | specially during a call... |
| 18:50.11 | Dave | roll rui n across bearskin rug |
| 18:50.19 | jonkristian | Alternatively, you can stand on your head. |
| 18:50.27 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, heheh. I can't figure out how to make it go to speaker, but other that that it's OK with me. |
| 18:50.46 | [Rui] | I'd bother trying to fix if it wasn't being replaced already :) |
| 18:51.00 | Digital_Pioneer | Zhone's getting replaced? |
| 18:51.11 | [Rui] | Digital_Pioneer: yeah, it's just a showcase right now |
| 18:51.29 | [Rui] | «see, it makes calls, sms» |
| 18:51.33 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm. So how do I get Paroli in SHR? |
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| 18:51.43 | [Rui] | «it may be a pain to use, but it shows it works» |
| 18:52.18 | [Rui] | Digital_Pioneer: unfortunately, last I checked paroli isn't yet fully migrated to tichy plugins, and tichy wasn't running very well in the fso milestones |
| 18:52.23 | Temris_ | Montgoss, try jffs2 |
| 18:52.58 | Defiant-_ | igor321: installed rosetta yesterday evenning on debian |
| 18:53.01 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm, too bad. :( |
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| 18:53.07 | Montgoss | Temris_: thanks, that was it |
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| 18:54.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, Paroli screenshots are not exactly pretty, but it looks functional enough. |
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| 18:55.29 | [Rui] | Digital_Pioneer: yeah |
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| 18:55.41 | [Rui] | Digital_Pioneer: but all I read is that it's a pain to set it up |
| 18:55.53 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah. |
| 18:56.00 | Digital_Pioneer | I'll wait for packages. :) |
| 18:56.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Until then, I'll work with Zhone if I can. If not, the stupid openmoko-* apps. :\ |
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| 18:58.32 | Montgoss | which alsa state file is used during a phone call? is it gsmhandset? |
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| 19:00.07 | Digital_Pioneer | I would assume. |
| 19:00.31 | Montgoss | i try not to assume ;-) |
| 19:00.47 | Digital_Pioneer | It's a dangerous habit. |
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| 19:09.11 | feitingen | what has happened with portmap in 2008.12? |
| 19:13.06 | Slaxxin | nice community update |
| 19:13.39 | Slaxxin | is it time to move to fso? |
| 19:14.07 | pcfe | if by interrupting an opkg upgrade I managed to remove the wireless entry on a new phone with the Qt image, which package do I want to manually install to get wireless settings back? |
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| 19:19.04 | [Rui] | feitingen: is it finally removed by default? |
| 19:19.31 | feitingen | it is nowhere to be found, i cant see it in the repositories |
| 19:20.53 | almien | on SHR, why does the screen dim/blank after a few seconds, and how can I turn that off? (both settings/suspend mode and e/illume's power settings, blank time have no effect) |
| 19:21.00 | [Rui] | feitingen: that's more weird, but it is a good thing that it doesn't come by default anymore! |
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| 19:31.21 | btw | for SHR what packages will i have to flash to the phone? |
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| 19:32.31 | Digital_Pioneer | btw: You mean what rootfs and kernel? |
| 19:32.44 | btw | yea and do i need the modules packages there? |
| 19:33.10 | Digital_Pioneer | btw: You don't need them, no. Personally, I'd take them just to be sure. |
| 19:33.13 | btw | right now i'm downloading uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 19:33.20 | Digital_Pioneer | All needed modules are compiled into the kernel, though. |
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| 19:33.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Looks good. |
| 19:33.44 | btw | alright |
| 19:34.03 | btw | if i decide to install the modules how should i do that? i mean - they are not flashable images, are they? |
| 19:34.10 | btw | they appear as a tgz bundle |
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| 19:34.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope. scp the tgz to the phone, extract it to / |
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| 19:34.44 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, you can also just download it directly to the phone. ;) |
| 19:34.50 | btw | right :) |
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| 19:35.55 | btw | hmm maybe i could try to put shr on the sd card, the beast will boot up from there too, won't it? :) |
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| 19:37.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, but it may destroy the card's partition table and nasty things happen. |
| 19:37.38 | btw | oh yea i just went to read about that :) |
| 19:38.24 | btw | well, safe and sure is the way to go then :P i received my unit today so i'm still discovering what's outta there to put on it and how to work with it |
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| 19:47.07 | king | I am trying to flash my openmoko with QTExtended and FDOM. I am going to use the mwester-stable kernel images for both. I know that I require the stable-modules too enbale functionality. My question is, how do I load / use / integrate those modules into the kernel? |
| 19:48.12 | king | someone please? |
| 19:50.31 | king | c'mon... |
| 19:51.06 | mwester | I think the page should say how to do that -- but it's a very simple procedure, so easy to miss on the page. download the tar file with the modules to the phone's "/" dir, then just "tar xzf <tarfile>" to extract them. Type "depmod -a" for good measure (shouldnt' be required, but just in case), then reboot. |
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| 19:55.39 | king | mwester, Oh you mean that can be done_after_flashing the phone. I thought I will have to integrate it somehow before doing it. |
| 19:55.49 | king | mwester, And yes, I totally missed the info on the page! |
| 19:56.24 | king | mwester, This is treacherous landscape I am traversing through. Don't know a thing I am doing with the phone! |
| 19:58.19 | king | mwester, âI understand that I do not need to copy over the modules for the OM2008.12 distro, just for the QTExtended and FDOM. Would you please confirm this? |
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| 20:00.01 | mwester | king: the modules in the root ("/") filesystem must match the kernel that is flashed to the device for each and every distro. If you flash the kernel that is associated with a particular jffs2 or tar.gz rootfs image, then you need to do nothing additional. |
| 20:00.29 | mwester | If you, regardless of image, flash a different kernel, then you need to locate the matching modules for that kernel and install them into the rootfs you are using. |
| 20:01.51 | king | mwester, Right, so the OM2008.12 update gave me its own kernel so I won't need to copy over the modules, but as FDOM and QTExtended packages ask me to use your kernel packages I will have to copy over the modules. Is this correct? |
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| 20:02.32 | mwester | king: True. |
| 20:03.01 | king | mwester, And BTW I couldn't find any kernel that is associated with FDOM or QTExtended, they just gave me link to yours. That means that none exists. Or do they? |
| 20:04.41 | mwester | A kernel existed at one time on the original images from which FDOM and Qt Extended derived their images -- but they choose not to use those kernels, probably because they tended to be older, or less stable. |
| 20:05.06 | Dave | woof woof |
| 20:05.38 | mwester | In general, you should use the kernel that matches a given image, but there some who choose other kernels (either newer, or more stable, or self-built). |
| 20:06.20 | king | mwester, Thanks a lot man! It is nearly dawn here and I am getting really dizzy trying to make sense of all this. |
| 20:06.51 | king | sees how nearly and really rhyme in a nice way |
| 20:07.28 | mwester | You will hurt yourself trying to make sense of some of this... especially the actions of Om-the-company.... :P :D |
| 20:08.59 | king | mwester, I will start getting your internal jokes soon :) |
| 20:09.02 | king | thanks again |
| 20:11.48 | kobh | isnt the 2008.12 gui built around python and gtk? |
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| 20:18.25 | kobh | where can i find a list of opkg errorcodes? |
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| 20:50.08 | leavittx | hi! |
| 20:50.22 | leavittx | i've just bought om |
| 20:50.23 | leavittx | ! |
| 20:50.38 | leavittx | how can I connect to wi-fi? |
| 20:52.03 | kobh | leavittx, search on openmoko.org |
| 20:52.53 | kobh | I am getting a pygtk error, i could not import gtk in python earlier, so i did opkg install python-pygtk. now however i get gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display |
| 20:54.46 | leavittx | hm |
| 20:54.52 | leavittx | what about wifi? |
| 20:55.35 | kobh | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi |
| 20:55.39 | seameat | leavittx, what distro are you using? |
| 20:55.53 | bumbl | leavittx: read the starter guide @ wiki.openmoko.org and then flash a sane distribution |
| 20:56.05 | bumbl | s/sane/sane and actual/ |
| 20:56.06 | Digital_Pioneer | kobh: Is DISPLAY set? |
| 20:56.08 | seameat | leavittx, yeah, what bumbl said |
| 20:56.33 | leavittx | ok |
| 20:56.35 | leavittx | sorry |
| 20:56.52 | kobh | Digital_Pioneer, i dont know. how do i do that? |
| 20:56.55 | Temris | kobh, export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 20:57.07 | seameat | leavittx, heh no worries. the wiki starter guide is very very helpful |
| 20:57.08 | almien | copying SHR or FDOM to the device will give you 'mofi' as one of the programs on the main desktop, which lets you connect to wifi |
| 20:57.11 | kobh | do i need to do this every time? |
| 20:57.27 | almien | where SHR and FDOM replace all the software on the device in one big upload |
| 20:57.30 | Digital_Pioneer | kobh: Or if you want to be obsessively specific, export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 |
| 20:57.32 | Digital_Pioneer | ;) |
| 20:57.40 | kobh | alright cewl, thanks! |
| 20:57.41 | kobh | but |
| 20:57.46 | kobh | do i need to do this every time? |
| 20:58.17 | Digital_Pioneer | kobh: Whenever you run a GUI program from SSH, you need to export DISPLAY=:0 first. |
| 20:58.33 | kobh | aha |
| 20:58.38 | Digital_Pioneer | I just dropped it into my .bashrc, to make life simple. :) |
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| 20:58.49 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: or not use -Y or -X |
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| 20:59.03 | kobh | this wont happen if i try to import gtk on the freerunner with my pen and the illume-keyboard then? |
| 20:59.05 | Digital_Pioneer | lindi-: Hmm? |
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| 20:59.22 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: ah, ignore previous line |
| 20:59.30 | Digital_Pioneer | lindi-: Will do. :) |
| 20:59.48 | Digital_Pioneer | kobh: No. In a GUI terminal, DISPLAY is set because it's being used. :) |
| 20:59.56 | lindi- | i always just attach to the same screen that has right environment variables set |
| 21:00.10 | kobh | oh yes i see |
| 21:00.11 | kobh | thanks a bunch! |
| 21:00.17 | Digital_Pioneer | Sure. :) |
| 21:00.27 | lindi- | $ cat /home/scratch/neo/2008-12-25/home/lindi/.screenrc |
| 21:00.28 | lindi- | setenv DISPLAY :0 |
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| 21:01.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, lindi- was smart enough to drop privs too. :P |
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| 21:01.26 | kobh | ? |
| 21:01.27 | lindi- | did that ages ago |
| 21:01.28 | kobh | oh btw |
| 21:01.35 | kobh | how did you do this automatically did you say? |
| 21:01.36 | lindi- | after having written some files to / |
| 21:01.41 | kobh | .bashrc? i dont know what that is |
| 21:02.11 | lindi- | (tangogps did not really appreciate HOME=/ very much and decided to create directories under /) |
| 21:02.56 | leavittx | but I have no wifi menu in settings(( |
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| 21:03.28 | kobh | is that like rc.d123 only for bash instead of runlevels? |
| 21:04.17 | lindi- | kobh: man bash has a long explanation |
| 21:04.27 | Temris | kobh, I would put export DISPLAY=:0 in /home/root/.profile rather than .bashrc, because bash is not always default shell |
| 21:05.26 | kobh | .profile is run every time i login as root? |
| 21:05.52 | leavittx | so? |
| 21:06.00 | Temris | yes |
| 21:06.48 | kobh | cewl, thanks! |
| 21:08.06 | Digital_Pioneer | kobh: ~/.bashrc is a file that gets evaluated by BASH when it starts. The phone does not ship with BASH, however, so you may want to install it. :) |
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| 21:10.40 | kobh | by the waykidoki |
| 21:10.44 | kobh | okidoki* |
| 21:10.47 | kobh | also |
| 21:10.58 | kobh | do you know how to make the matchbox-keyboard work? |
| 21:11.30 | kobh | i followed the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards |
| 21:11.49 | kobh | but whenever i try to run it, it shows up for a split second while the loading-star is still there and then it disappears |
| 21:11.50 | kobh | ??? |
| 21:13.42 | vanous123 | anybody knows how to temporarily disable screen blank and suspend on SHR (FSO)? xset seems not to work. need to keep navit visible while driving :) |
| 21:15.48 | lindi- | vanous123: i disabled odeviced.idlenotifier |
| 21:16.37 | almien | lindi-: how do you do that? |
| 21:16.50 | vanous123 | lindi-: how did you do it? via mdbus call? |
| 21:16.56 | lindi- | [odeviced.idlenotifier] |
| 21:16.59 | lindi- | disable = 1 |
| 21:17.02 | lindi- | in frameworkd.conf |
| 21:17.13 | vanous123 | lindi-: i see |
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| 21:19.24 | kobh | lindi-, do you know how i can resolve my issue with the keyboard? :-| |
| 21:19.43 | lindi- | kobh: i am using xvkbd |
| 21:20.15 | kobh | on 2008.12? |
| 21:20.25 | lindi- | kobh: with icewm |
| 21:20.25 | kobh | well, 2008.whatever and not qtopia or anything? |
| 21:21.23 | kobh | alright well... |
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| 21:23.38 | almien | vanous123: let us know what the battery life turns out to be with screen like that? |
| 21:24.08 | vanous123 | almien: well, i have a charger in my car so i keep it plugged |
| 21:24.21 | vanous123 | almien: but i can make a test |
| 21:24.24 | vanous123 | lindi-: disable = 1 for [odeviced.idlenotifier] works well, thank you. |
| 21:24.54 | almien | hmm, didn't work for me. changed it to disable=1 and rebooted, and it's just blanked again |
| 21:25.09 | vanous123 | lindi-: would there be a way to change the suspend value by mdbus? |
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| 21:26.10 | vanous123 | almien: this are my lines from /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 21:26.10 | vanous123 | [odeviced.idlenotifier] |
| 21:26.10 | vanous123 | disable = 1 |
| 21:26.10 | vanous123 | #disable screenblank |
| 21:26.12 | vanous123 | suspend = 60 |
| 21:26.15 | vanous123 | ignoreinput = 2,3 |
| 21:26.55 | lindi- | almien: i disabled many other susbystems too, maybe they are needed |
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| 21:33.54 | peppertarts | Hi all, does anyone know why the daily FSO images are no longer being built? The last build of fso-unstable was early October. |
| 21:35.01 | leavittx | do you reccomend 2008.12? |
| 21:37.02 | peppertarts | I've just tried to do a build using openembedded and I'm getting a segfalt when it attempts to build glibc anyone else hit this problem? |
| 21:37.19 | almien | lindi-: found it - I had entered an extra [odeviced.idlenotifier] section instead of appending to the existing one |
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| 21:55.00 | vanous123 | lindi-: ok, have done it by mdbus |
| 21:55.01 | vanous123 | lindi-: |
| 21:55.01 | vanous123 | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.SetState busy |
| 21:55.01 | vanous123 | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.SetTimeout idle_dim 0 |
| 21:55.01 | vanous123 | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.SetTimeout suspend 0 |
| 21:55.01 | vanous123 | lindi-: this is while disable = 0 in fr..d.conf |
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| 22:02.38 | peepsalot | anyone interested in buying a freerunner for parts or something. the usb port is broken, doesn't charge or communicate over USB. AFAIK it still boots fine if you have a way to charge the battery |
| 22:03.49 | max_posedon | Why do you think that usb is broken? |
| 22:04.31 | max_posedon | My freerunner, for example. works well not with all usb-mini_usb cables, may be your the same. |
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| 22:08.12 | peepsalot | max_posedon, because after accidentally tripping over the plugged in USB cable, it no longer seems to charge or communicate over USB. |
| 22:08.30 | Dave | rut roh |
| 22:08.44 | peepsalot | it booted for a while after, but since I can't charge now, I can't confirm 100% that it still boots |
| 22:09.07 | Dave | because you cannot get it to boot, or what? |
| 22:09.16 | mwester | You could try to find someone to fix it -- where are you located? |
| 22:09.56 | peepsalot | i'm in austin, i'm not really interested in getting it fixed for myself. I don't have enough time to devote to this anymore |
| 22:10.07 | Dave | heh |
| 22:10.15 | Dave | You sound like most of us, now :) |
| 22:10.19 | peepsalot | if anyone wants to buy it cheap they can try their luck at fixing it themselves |
| 22:10.27 | Dave | heh |
| 22:10.38 | peepsalot | or scrap it for parts |
| 22:10.59 | Dave | useless parts |
| 22:11.08 | peepsalot | screen at very least must be worth someting? :-( |
| 22:11.09 | Dave | other than a nice vga display :p |
| 22:11.12 | Dave | right :P |
| 22:13.05 | peepsalot | well, i'd hate to throw it in the trash |
| 22:13.14 | peepsalot | sighs |
| 22:13.34 | moritz | before you throw it into the trash, send it to me |
| 22:13.46 | mmontour | peepsalot: I'd list it on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Classifieds |
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| 22:17.02 | Dave | oooh! |
| 22:18.54 | mwester | opens the cookie jar, and checks to see if there's enough loose change to buy peepsalot's FR |
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| 22:20.09 | Dave | heehee :) |
| 22:20.25 | Dave | Mwester, getting Lady Basil an '02? ;) |
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| 22:22.02 | mwester | Yep! |
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| 22:23.01 | JaMa_ | Hi, is there any update on emulating gta02 in qemu? |
| 22:23.25 | anttna | hi all, i'm going to phone 3m tomorrow and enquire about buying some Vikuiti⢠Protection Film ARMR200. Has anyone tried it? |
| 22:23.27 | anttna | http://solutions.3m.co.uk/wps/portal/3M/en_GB/vikuiti-uk/home/products-solutions/protection-and-films?WT.svl=Protect2 |
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| 22:27.50 | anttna | was it something i said? :) |
| 22:28.59 | mwester | Yes. You said: "Has anyone tried it?" :-) Presumably nobody here right now has tried it! |
| 22:30.24 | anttna | no worries |
| 22:33.49 | Dave | poor peepsalot |
| 22:34.53 | mwester | transfers the cookie jar change to paypal, just in case peepsalot is serious. |
| 22:35.08 | Dave | :D |
| 22:35.13 | Dave | Mwester, but are you ? ;) |
| 22:35.35 | peepsalot | $40 + shipping? |
| 22:36.05 | mwester | I grow more and more concerned about the fragile debug board connector each time I plug my gta02 into the debug board -- having one on the debug board at all times would be a good thing. :) |
| 22:36.14 | mwester | peepsalot: done. |
| 22:36.47 | mwester | send me an email to work out the details when you get a chance: mwester (at) dls (dot) net |
| 22:36.49 | mwester | :) |
| 22:37.41 | peepsalot | ok |
| 22:37.50 | Dave | $40 !? |
| 22:38.50 | lindi- | mwester: could you set that up for running continuous regressions tests? ;) |
| 22:38.58 | peepsalot | oops did I lowball myself? well it's better payout than the trashcan |
| 22:40.02 | Dave | haha |
| 22:40.11 | Dave | lindi, freetoaster? |
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| 22:41.34 | almien | using mine to replace £9 alarm clock at the moment ;) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:LED_clock.jpg |
| 22:43.49 | Tig| | almien, I knew there was a practical use for a freerunner :) |
| 22:44.46 | Tig| | just a thought, when running it that way, does the battery last the night :P |
| 22:45.07 | almien | ask me tomorrow |
| 22:45.14 | Tig| | heh |
| 22:45.30 | Tig| | around 10am ? |
| 22:46.28 | Tig| | display seems very bright, is that just the camera or have you cranked up the brightness |
| 22:46.35 | almien | I guess it would be convenient to keep the display on overnight, so that it's properly empty when you need to wake up :( |
| 22:47.07 | almien | oh, that's a 2-sec exposure or something. but the display is "on" at its normal brightness (just mostly displaying black) |
| 22:47.52 | Tig| | hmmmm the perfect phone for lazy people, the alarm clock drains all the battery so the alarm does not go off and therefore the phone does not ring when the boss phones to see if you are ok :) |
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| 22:48.29 | almien | I need to find the controls to change brightness from within python sometime... it should ideally get dimmer during the night, and brighter in morning |
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| 22:56.08 | almien | to be fair, the normal LED alarm clocks always plug into mains power... |
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