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| 00:03.16 | uhsf | so, 2008.12 should be released in the next 5 days? |
| 00:03.39 | Slaxxer | lol |
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| 00:07.06 | Slaxxer | released as in? |
| 00:07.43 | SpeedEvil | Released as in it's let out of its cage, to roam the city, and kill users! |
| 00:08.18 | uhsf | lol why? as in the only slightly stable release yet dates back to almost 2 years ago |
| 00:09.48 | uhsf | afaik 2007.2 is still the only usable release |
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| 00:10.56 | viq | I'm rather happy with SHR |
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| 00:13.25 | uhsf | GSM not working properly after x hours, Cannot dial numbers starting with * or #, Neo turns off before reaching x, Charging stops even while connected to the charger... people here all seem to go blind about these flaws that turns out this project into a big joke after all this time |
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| 00:15.15 | uhsf | if only the processor was x86 i could install arch linux on the neo and start everything myself from there. |
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| 00:21.06 | openmoko | uhsf: why doesn't arch run on ARM? |
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| 00:26.23 | uhsf | agree arch should have arm architecture support |
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| 00:26.56 | khaije1 | does arm have x86 compatibility? |
| 00:27.29 | uhsf | i don't think so |
| 00:27.41 | lindi- | fortunately not :) |
| 00:28.20 | viq | I think there was someone building arch for FR |
| 00:28.41 | jonkristian | that would rule |
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| 00:34.48 | openmoko | If the arch community was strong enough, the would do it |
| 00:35.35 | openmoko | they |
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| 00:42.18 | ColdFyre | how you yo use illume instead of that terrible standard default letter only pad? |
| 00:42.25 | ColdFyre | (yes, i installed it) |
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| 01:08.29 | Sargun | o.O |
| 01:08.37 | Sargun | They un-K-lined me |
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| 01:15.34 | cjb | Anyone know whether you can add an unlimited data plan to an AT&T GoPhone? |
| 01:15.50 | cjb | (or any prepaid plan) |
| 01:16.53 | jhass840 | check their site, I think you can |
| 01:17.08 | cjb | I'm looking at it, can't see it so far |
| 01:17.55 | jhass840 | You may be able to IM a customer service rep and ask them |
| 01:18.46 | cjb | thanks, will try |
| 01:19.45 | jhass840 | https://www.wireless.att.com/support/content.do?page=support-home (see Technical Support Chat) |
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| 01:21.54 | cjb | just did, they said 5MB for $10/mo |
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| 01:23.02 | jhass840 | wow, that's not a lot of data |
| 01:23.07 | cjb | no kidding |
| 01:23.26 | jhass840 | so you can check your e-mail like once |
| 01:23.30 | cjb | haha |
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| 01:23.56 | Ansible | just flashed 2009.12 tonight |
| 01:24.11 | jhass840 | I think they have data plans, but they're separate from go phone plans |
| 01:24.18 | openmoko | 2009.12? Holy crap? They've already started doing 2009 releases? |
| 01:24.20 | Ansible | if it goes to standby it never comes back that I can tell, have to reboot. should I reflash? |
| 01:24.22 | jhass840 | Ansible: 2009.12? |
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| 01:24.29 | Ansible | wup 2008.12 |
| 01:24.35 | jhass840 | oh okay |
| 01:24.54 | jhass840 | Ansible: you could check out SHR |
| 01:25.50 | Ansible | yeah, better? I'm looking for something to use as a basic phone, my old phone is dying and now I have to start using the OM or get something else |
| 01:26.04 | openmoko | oooooh. |
| 01:26.07 | Ansible | well basic phone + text notes + contacts |
| 01:26.56 | jhass840 | Ansible: SHR is pretty awesome, it comes with Pidgin too so you can IRC from your phone |
| 01:27.28 | Ansible | cool. guess I'll read up on it... does it incorporate the 2009.12 fixes? |
| 01:28.16 | jhass840 | I think so, it's kinda hard to explain. It's more or less the most stable release for the phone at this time |
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| 01:51.42 | Slaxxer | 2008.12 is as stable |
| 01:51.59 | Slaxxer | i like it better |
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| 02:05.38 | ColdFyre | i still can't get gprs working on 2008.12 |
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| 02:19.02 | jhass840 | ColdFyre: Did you see the wiki, it has information about how to get it working |
| 02:19.31 | ColdFyre | i get freedesktop errors when i follow the steps |
| 02:19.49 | ColdFyre | (when i run sgprson) |
| 02:19.54 | ColdFyre | minus typos |
| 02:20.36 | jhass840 | hmmm, I don't know |
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| 02:21.16 | ColdFyre | yeah, strange =/ |
| 02:22.02 | ColdFyre | i at least did get enlightenment working, and it's so pretty |
| 02:24.13 | jhass840 | are you using SHR? |
| 02:24.32 | jhass840 | oh wait, you already said. nevermind |
| 02:26.12 | Slaxxer | Ainulindale whats going on? |
| 02:26.16 | Slaxxer | :) |
| 02:26.39 | jhass840 | My GPS worked exactly once. After that, it continually reports my position as somewhere off the coast of Africa. I assume this is because my clock is set 5 hours ahead. Hopefully when I get my SIM the issue will be resolved |
| 02:26.58 | Slaxxer | lololol |
| 02:27.33 | Slaxxer | thats where they pile om users that cant get attached |
| 02:27.54 | jhass840 | my phone currently believes it is 2:26 AM |
| 02:28.03 | mwester | jhass840: I doubt that its a clock issue - from a cold start the GPS should get everything it needs from the satellites. |
| 02:28.08 | Slaxxer | dont think that matters |
| 02:29.28 | Slaxxer | shr jhass |
| 02:29.40 | jhass840 | that's what I'm using |
| 02:29.56 | jhass840 | tangoGPS |
| 02:30.13 | Slaxxer | latest .jffs2? |
| 02:30.52 | jhass840 | should be, I took the one that was uploaded on decembe 17th. It was the newest one I saw |
| 02:31.08 | Slaxxer | had that problem to |
| 02:32.03 | jhass840 | Slaxxer: were you able to fix it? |
| 02:32.50 | Slaxxer | nope i just moved on to 2008.12 although 1 of the previous shr images workes in tango |
| 02:33.06 | Slaxxer | -e |
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| 02:33.09 | jhass840 | you know, read about the hardware issue with the GPS and I was relieved to discover I have the fix for it already. But I've become concerned that there may be more in the future |
| 02:33.21 | jhass840 | correction, I read about the error |
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| 02:38.12 | mwester | jhass840: the software fix is better than the hardware only solution, and is the right thing to do anyway -- so the GPS/SD card problem is actually a very minor problem of all the issues with the device. |
| 02:39.31 | jhass840 | Oh okay |
| 02:40.15 | jhass840 | I'm not planning to get rid of the thing because...I just got it...and I want it to destroy the IPhone |
| 02:40.28 | mwester | Oh it's not gonna do that. |
| 02:41.17 | mwester | different market, to a great extent. |
| 02:41.22 | jhass840 | Well, I don't know. I'm not aware of any IPhone apps that allow people to run terminal commands |
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| 02:42.23 | jhass840 | I mean the IPhone is just a glorified phone. The freerunner is a miniature computer that doubles as a phone |
| 02:42.57 | mwester | That's perhaps the best example of exactly the different markets. The typical iphone purchaser would look at you like you had three legs if you said that to them. term emulation/shell access is just something that the typical iphone user has absolutey no use for. |
| 02:42.59 | jhass840 | but I guess you're right, the average person has no real use for a miniature computer |
| 02:43.38 | Ansible | hmmm, ok installed SHR. Much more snappy than 2008.12. |
| 02:43.44 | Ansible | Dialer doesn't work though |
| 02:43.52 | mwester | I think that if OM is successful, and they seem to insist on trying to not be, they will probably eat into the market for the Nokia N810 type of devices. |
| 02:44.24 | SpeedEvil | OM are working behind the scenes. |
| 02:44.26 | Shlee | If I cannot play ScummVM on it, it's not a computer... if I cannot make a call on it, it's not a phone. |
| 02:44.47 | mwester | :P so... what does that make the FR right now? |
| 02:44.50 | SpeedEvil | When they become the world government, they will mandate OM as the only computer operating system. Where will symbian be then! |
| 02:45.17 | jhass840 | you can make phone calls on the freerunner. I know someone who uses it as their primary phone |
| 02:45.47 | Ansible | jhass what do they run on it? |
| 02:45.55 | Shlee | I tried to use it for afew months as my primary - Waiting for a solution to the hardware issues.. echos and noise |
| 02:46.48 | jhass840 | Ansible: SHR |
| 02:47.10 | Ansible | crap, I probably installed the wrong kernel or something |
| 02:48.29 | jhass840 | Ansible: Don't use SHR lite |
| 02:48.39 | Ansible | SHR looks pretty good though, hope I can get it working |
| 02:48.48 | Ansible | I'm using the 12-16 files |
| 02:49.34 | Ansible | maybe too bleeding edge |
| 02:51.06 | Slaxxer | yup |
| 02:51.24 | Slaxxer | your edges are bleeding |
| 02:51.47 | Slaxxer | 12-14 |
| 02:51.54 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.54 | Ansible | ow |
| 02:52.26 | Ansible | I'll try that out |
| 02:52.39 | jhass840 | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ I used uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 02:53.05 | jhass840 | worked fine for me |
| 02:54.06 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, just beware. Pretty much every 'stable' kernel has the accelerometer bug, so if you want to use those much, you may want to use an unstable kernel. |
| 02:54.35 | Ansible | ah... yeah I used the one with the latest date. kernel was the same as the 'latest' I think |
| 02:54.39 | Digital_Pioneer | I've found a way to fix the bug from boot to boot, but doing it seems to fix event2 while killing event3 entirely. |
| 02:54.51 | Ansible | accelerometer is the least of my worries now! |
| 02:54.57 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. :) |
| 02:55.00 | jhass840 | Digital_Pioneer: accelerometer bug? |
| 02:55.23 | Digital_Pioneer | jhass840: Yeah, the accelerometers tend to only give data when the phone is not moving. |
| 02:55.38 | Ansible | though if everything else works it will give me something to complain about. |
| 02:55.39 | Digital_Pioneer | That makes them useless for pretty much everything except rotation scripts. |
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| 02:55.46 | Ansible | hehe DP thats pretty useless! |
| 02:55.49 | jhass840 | Digital_Pioneer: Oh, well mine don't seem to work at all anyway |
| 02:56.12 | jhass840 | So as far as I'm concerned, I don't have that bug |
| 02:56.18 | Digital_Pioneer | jhass840: Easy enough to check. Just hexdump /dev/input/event2, then shake the phone. If the data stream remains constant, you don't have it. |
| 02:57.11 | Digital_Pioneer | You may want to play with their settings. Send values to the files in (I think) /sys/devices/platform/lis302.(1 or 2)/ |
| 02:57.52 | jhass840 | Digital_Pioneer: Well, nothing seems to be bothering me |
| 02:58.00 | jhass840 | Digital_Pioneer: That's what I meant |
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| 03:00.22 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, echo 9.2 > /sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.1/full_scale fixes event2 for me. |
| 03:00.30 | Digital_Pioneer | It shuts event3 off completely. |
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| 03:35.07 | nicfer | What should be changed on the freerunner for make a cheaper version? |
| 03:37.00 | SpeedEvil | Lose one accel, and produce a hundred thousand of them. |
| 03:37.06 | SpeedEvil | That'd make it lots cheaper |
| 03:37.38 | SpeedEvil | I would guess the price for the FRs construction runs something like $180 - in small volumes - neglecting sunk costs. |
| 03:37.52 | SpeedEvil | Go to high volumes, and that might drop to $100 |
| 03:39.55 | mwester | Get rid of the high-res display. |
| 03:40.04 | SpeedEvil | That'd help somewhat, yes |
| 03:40.11 | mwester | cut the internal flash to 16MB and use an SD card instead |
| 03:40.19 | SpeedEvil | that too is probably a good plan |
| 03:40.27 | SpeedEvil | go to a software assisted GPS probably too |
| 03:40.49 | nicfer | Those values would be for the redux version right? |
| 03:40.56 | mwester | probably switching to closed proprietary GPS or wifi would cut costs too. |
| 03:41.29 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: no - my first estimate of $180 was what it might have cost openmoko to make 2000 of the same model of the FR |
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| 03:41.46 | SpeedEvil | (neglecting design costs or setup costs, which are significant) |
| 03:42.46 | SpeedEvil | mwester: $50K prize for a $1 reduction in BOM would bring all sorts of stuff. |
| 03:43.03 | SpeedEvil | mwester: (assuming that >50000 were to be made) |
| 03:43.46 | SpeedEvil | As in open-sourcing efforts for closed wifi and GPS solutions |
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| 03:45.41 | SpeedEvil | Reducing cost in devices produced in low volumes is hard. |
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| 03:46.03 | SpeedEvil | For example. Yes, OM could slash the RAM in half, and code their software to cope with that. |
| 03:46.47 | SpeedEvil | But that would mean more effort on the software side, and it won't take that many man-hours before the saving of $2000 on 1000 units is eaten up. |
| 03:47.21 | SpeedEvil | And those man-hours are then wasted when the next model comes along with more RAM. |
| 03:49.36 | nicfer | My goal is to produce a free phone oriented to developing countries |
| 03:49.46 | SpeedEvil | Good luck. |
| 03:49.52 | SpeedEvil | First obtain a million dollars. |
| 03:49.57 | SpeedEvil | Then get back to us. |
| 03:50.25 | SpeedEvil | You absolutely can't do small volume electronics production at competitive rates. |
| 03:51.16 | mwester | A lot can be learned from the OLPC project on that sort of stuff... |
| 03:51.19 | SpeedEvil | I've estimated in the past that someone - who could obtain all the parts for the FR - and was very skilled in the art would be very lucky to get a 'working' (booting, but with a few issues) FR clone made for $2K for example. |
| 03:51.48 | SpeedEvil | Of course - the next one would be only $400 or so. |
| 03:52.09 | SpeedEvil | And 'can obtain all the parts' is a bitch. |
| 03:52.39 | SpeedEvil | There is a local minima which you can get to fairly easily, which is buying modules for stuff. That greatly reduces your design effort. |
| 03:53.07 | SpeedEvil | But, it boosts the price you will eventually be able to sell them for by 150-200%, and increases volume, weight, and power use. |
| 03:54.34 | mwester | But a "free phone" for developing countries does not fit what Openmoko is all about -- such a phone would not run Linux, nor would it in any way need to be open, and certainly it wouldn't need accelerometers, or WIFI. |
| 03:54.44 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 03:54.46 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 03:55.41 | mwester | That would be best handled, IMO, by purchasing the rights to an old model dumb phone from nokia or erricsen, after convincing them that such a project would be worthy of some sort of corporate sponsorship. |
| 03:55.53 | SpeedEvil | Though that has problems too. |
| 03:56.06 | SpeedEvil | some of the old chipsets are about to be - or have been EOLd. |
| 03:56.10 | zash__ | Nokia 3310! |
| 03:56.21 | SpeedEvil | And you won't easily convince the makers to resurrect them. |
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| 04:12.14 | nicfer | I asked this because of the high taxes on my country, such a device costs 660 dols here |
| 04:14.29 | nicfer | The best way would be to install a factory in the country, so you don't have to import it |
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| 04:18.11 | SpeedEvil | Well - no |
| 04:18.26 | SpeedEvil | if imported equipment and components also incur taxes. |
| 04:18.40 | SpeedEvil | Then it may work out as well making it in hong kong. |
| 04:19.12 | SpeedEvil | are you in sweden? |
| 04:20.36 | nicfer | Argentina |
| 04:20.59 | Slaxxer | use the cad images an run a production yourself |
| 04:21.04 | nicfer | Does removing the touchscreen make the device cheaper? |
| 04:21.06 | SpeedEvil | Slaxxer: can't |
| 04:21.12 | SpeedEvil | Slaxxer: they have lots of missing stuff |
| 04:21.17 | Slaxxer | oo |
| 04:21.24 | SpeedEvil | Slaxxer: for exmaple, PDFs won't import into EE software. |
| 04:21.27 | Slaxxer | that cant be right |
| 04:21.42 | SpeedEvil | And they don't list what sort of component '10pf capacitor' is for example. |
| 04:21.56 | SpeedEvil | Neglecting the IP rights. |
| 04:22.08 | SpeedEvil | And the fact you won't be able to get calypso chips in onesies. |
| 04:22.20 | Slaxxer | well that just simply sucks |
| 04:23.37 | SpeedEvil | The phone is open - the hardware design is even open. This doesn't automatically give the rights to copy it. |
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| 04:27.55 | nicfer | Does removing the touchscreen and adding buttons instead make the device cheaper? |
| 04:28.08 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 04:28.13 | SpeedEvil | the touchscreen isn't expensive. |
| 04:29.11 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: basically - first to get the same sort of price, you will need to make >50 devices. And that's to hit the cost of buying them. And neglecting import duties, as that'll add to the components the same way. |
| 04:29.30 | SpeedEvil | And that's to meet the price - not to make it cheaper than it. And leaving no profit |
| 04:31.06 | nicfer | Bigger screens are expensiver |
| 04:31.47 | openmoko | you want to build an OpenMoko |
| 04:31.48 | openmoko | ? |
| 04:31.55 | openmoko | er, and OM device |
| 04:32.48 | nicfer | Do I have face of manufacturer? |
| 04:33.12 | openmoko | I've never seen your face ;-) |
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| 04:40.39 | brian__ | i had to load up windows :( |
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| 09:05.27 | finnarne | I managed to get debian installed, but it fails to start zhone. Only X with "trayer" at the top. does anyone have a hint ? |
| 09:09.31 | Psi | im still trying to get QTextended 4.4.2 to boot from the sd card, without much luck |
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| 11:05.12 | sylar91 | hi, is there any way to creare an ipk without the toolchain? |
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| 11:37.00 | lindi- | finnarne: what does zhone print to stdout? |
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| 11:42.38 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 11:44.01 | openmoko | matey |
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| 12:11.05 | ChristW | I'm playing around with my BleuTooth keyboard, and keep getting 'no route to host' when doing hidd --connect. What's up with that message? |
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| 12:19.27 | thomasg | is there any way to avoid qemu when building _anything_ with OE? |
| 12:20.32 | dns53 | yes, i can't remember the make option but there is a build everything except qemu, check the wiki |
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| 12:20.59 | thomasg | OE or OM wiki? |
| 12:21.06 | dns53 | om wiki |
| 12:21.42 | dns53 | i think it was build stack or something |
| 12:23.44 | thomasg | pretty hard to find anything useful in the wiki :( |
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| 12:43.10 | Hopscotch | mahlzeit |
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| 13:00.38 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.11 | ChristW | Ok, this may have solved my problem... This is the script I'm using at the moment: http://pastebin.com/m4dc40427 |
| 13:03.26 | ChristW | I'll put it on the WIki, perhaps other people find it usefull... |
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| 13:59.53 | finnarne | lindi-: http://paste.debian.net/24595 |
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| 14:24.08 | StealthCP | sorry how do you close an application in openmoko? (2008.x) |
| 14:24.38 | StealthCP | nvm, got it :) |
| 14:24.58 | SpeedEvil | Unplug the USB, unplug the battery, wait 5 mins, ... :) |
| 14:25.08 | StealthCP | USB networking isn't working for me, like it was in Qtopia |
| 14:25.17 | StealthCP | is there something I need to activate somewhere? |
| 14:25.17 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 14:26.35 | hiciu | StealthCP: modprobe usbnet; modprobe cdc_ether? |
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| 14:27.37 | StealthCP | hmm |
| 14:27.56 | StealthCP | ..I don't have networking yet, so I can't get a terminal lol |
| 14:28.04 | hiciu | StealthCP: on pc :) |
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| 14:31.30 | StealthCP | nope, windows computer |
| 14:31.58 | StealthCP | networking worked fine on both linux and windows when I was running Qtopia yesterday and the day before |
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| 14:34.47 | StealthCP | heh |
| 14:34.54 | StealthCP | I just phoned my phone |
| 14:34.56 | StealthCP | and it worked |
| 14:35.12 | StealthCP | 2008.12 doesn't seem so bad after all :P |
| 14:35.20 | CVirus | self.call(self) |
| 14:35.21 | CVirus | :-p |
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| 14:36.20 | lindi- | finnarne: google finds http://www.mail-archive.com/smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org/msg00450.html |
| 14:36.22 | dns53 | StealthCP you have the windows drivers? |
| 14:36.27 | StealthCP | yep |
| 14:36.31 | StealthCP | like I said it worked before |
| 14:36.36 | StealthCP | on Qtopia |
| 14:37.08 | dns53 | qtopia and the other images can use a different id, so install the same drivers for the new device if required |
| 14:37.10 | StealthCP | I'm getting a "Network cable unplugged" sort of message |
| 14:37.33 | StealthCP | no it picked up on it being the same device as before, so same network device in Windows and so on |
| 14:37.47 | StealthCP | only it appears as if there's no connection |
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| 14:39.03 | dns53 | well i can remember ages ago that qtopia used a different device id so it would be a different network device wen qtpia used it, it still used the same driver but windows saw it differently |
| 14:39.54 | StealthCP | I'll remove the devices then |
| 14:40.25 | dns53 | perhaps reboot windows |
| 14:40.32 | StealthCP | done |
| 14:40.48 | StealthCP | like I said, it detects the phone and everything like before |
| 14:40.53 | StealthCP | (and same on Linux) |
| 14:41.08 | StealthCP | on Windows, I get "cable unplugged" malarky |
| 14:41.23 | StealthCP | on Linux, the equivilent (device is there but no connection) |
| 14:41.55 | dns53 | i had that a while ago and now everything works fine so i can't remember what i did, the usb networking on windows had something written about it |
| 14:43.43 | Mononoke | StealthCP: did you reboot the device while it was plugged in? or plugged it few times over? |
| 14:45.26 | StealthCP | what I've done is removed the devices from device manager, rebooted the phone, connected a cable, installed the driver, and same thing happens |
| 14:45.43 | StealthCP | brand new device under networking, with the appearance of cable unplugged |
| 14:46.04 | dns53 | upgradeing the kernel or having a different kernel to the rest of the modules can beak things |
| 14:46.37 | StealthCP | I've flashed both the rootfs and kernel from the om2008.12 files |
| 14:47.04 | dns53 | ok it can't be that then |
| 14:48.47 | Defiant- | anyone played with matchbox-stroke yet? http://matchbox-project.org/?p=1 - looks really cool |
| 14:53.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Defiant-: So.... Handwriting recognition? |
| 14:53.32 | Digital_Pioneer | Now THERE'S a big project. :P |
| 14:54.00 | SpeedEvil | Speech recognition |
| 14:54.07 | SpeedEvil | Defiant-: yes, a bit |
| 14:54.07 | Defiant- | Digital_Pioneer: looks more then a palm graffiti variant then handwriting |
| 14:54.24 | SpeedEvil | Defiant-: once I found the guide |
| 14:54.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh |
| 14:54.30 | SpeedEvil | Defiant-: it's older than grafiti I think |
| 14:54.33 | dns53 | yeah grafiti would be nice to have |
| 14:54.35 | SpeedEvil | it's a simple recogniser |
| 14:54.42 | Digital_Pioneer | SpeedEvil: Is there any good speech recognition for FR yet? |
| 14:54.45 | SpeedEvil | take the inputted gluyph |
| 14:55.10 | SpeedEvil | project it onto a 3*3 grid (constrained to be no more than 1.5* high than wide) |
| 14:55.12 | Defiant- | looks like matchbox-stroke uses a 3x raster |
| 14:55.14 | Defiant- | yes |
| 14:55.26 | SpeedEvil | then match with a set of regexes |
| 14:55.47 | SpeedEvil | It's surprisingly good. |
| 14:55.57 | SpeedEvil | I got sidetracked into trying to design my own glyph set. |
| 14:56.29 | Defiant- | SpeedEvil: currently trying to copy the palm one. Juse running into a problem with D/B |
| 14:56.50 | SpeedEvil | IMO, the xstroke one doesn't look bad |
| 14:57.14 | SpeedEvil | the xstroke author popped up here a few months ago |
| 14:58.45 | Defiant- | qwo doesn't look bad either. http://qwo.projects.openmoko.org/ |
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| 14:59.44 | Defiant- | but I think the stroke one is the cooler approach |
| 15:00.15 | StealthCP | no I still can't get this working, it's annoying me |
| 15:00.55 | StealthCP | how/where is wifi configuration? |
| 15:01.03 | StealthCP | under settings I can only see Bluetooth and GPS |
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| 15:07.30 | StealthCP | oh my, it's working now |
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| 15:18.38 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r328 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (21 files in 5 dirs): |
| 15:18.38 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: Many new stuff |
| 15:18.38 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: - new widgets |
| 15:18.38 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: - documentation |
| 15:18.38 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: - testing |
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| 15:20.16 | StealthCP | but no ssh.. |
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| 15:26.09 | StealthCP | working |
| 15:26.12 | StealthCP | sighs |
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| 15:29.44 | |Marco|_ | StealthCP: what distro ? |
| 15:29.58 | StealthCP | 2008.12 |
| 15:30.02 | |Marco|_ | ah |
| 15:30.22 | StealthCP | how is SHR anyway? |
| 15:30.35 | StealthCP | what do I miss by changing to that? |
| 15:31.31 | |Marco|_ | well, I'd like the wifi manager from 2008 in shr, or just a grafical one at all that works |
| 15:31.35 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03w-fso 07zhone * rcf48d98b8e99 10/src/zhone: |
| 15:31.35 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: Enhance the display of GPS data in zhone: |
| 15:31.35 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: - the left page shows GPS time, fix status, course, speed and climb rate too |
| 15:31.35 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: - the middle page shows its data in a tabular form which is much easier to read and comprehend |
| 15:31.37 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: - the right page shows satellites with elevation 90 in the middle of the sky instead of at the horizon |
| 15:33.25 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r329 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (elementary/__init__.py tests/test.py): Fix IdentationError and missing function call |
| 15:34.38 | Wonka | <- that there w-fso :) |
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| 15:38.02 | Shlee | wifi manager?! is there such a thing |
| 15:38.53 | Wonka | there is a thing that displays ESSIDs of wlans in the area and lets you select one |
| 15:38.59 | |Marco|_ | Shlee: a few.. not all very stable |
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| 15:43.48 | StealthCP | how do I change the input method? |
| 15:43.57 | StealthCP | to a _standard_ on screen keyboard |
| 15:44.17 | StealthCP | and not predictive rubbish (I'm trying to type www) |
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| 15:55.54 | StealthCP | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install minimo |
| 15:55.54 | StealthCP | Collected errors: |
| 15:55.54 | StealthCP | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.00 | StealthCP | what's locking it? |
| 15:58.19 | azaghal | Some other instance of opkg? Maybe some stale file? |
| 15:59.06 | StealthCP | well I've rebooted it |
| 16:01.03 | StealthCP | oh this is just incredibly stupid, dunno if it's Windows but even after unplugging the phone from USB it still thinks the damn thing is connected |
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| 16:16.16 | StealthCP | okay, made a few calls to the om2008.12 on Freerunner, and a few things I noticed (thank god for free calls) |
| 16:16.42 | StealthCP | well, call quality seems to be pretty good, it's clear on either end as far as I can tell |
| 16:17.56 | StealthCP | made one call from my other mobile. This caused signal noise for the neo, which would be heard in the receiver end of the other phone |
| 16:18.33 | StealthCP | so if I walk past or near other mobile users I'll get that interference when I'm on a call (or at least the other person will) |
| 16:20.38 | mwester | StealthCP: yes, that is expected - the GSM buzz problem does not care where the GSM signal comes from. |
| 16:21.24 | StealthCP | of course |
| 16:21.43 | StealthCP | this could (have) be(en) solved by.. sheilding? |
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| 16:25.05 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: shielding isn't an answer. |
| 16:25.38 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: it's an answer - but only in the sense that you can improve your cars ride smoothness by adding 48 tons of concrete. |
| 16:26.23 | StealthCP | what do other phones do then? |
| 16:27.03 | StealthCP | it's easy to see how phones affect so much electronic equipment, including planes etc |
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| 16:28.01 | SpeedEvil | To use the above analogy, they improve the ride by optimising the suspension. |
| 16:28.57 | SpeedEvil | Shielding is a partial answer - but it doesn't work fully if you've got wires coming into and out of the shield. |
| 16:29.25 | SpeedEvil | you need to actually do design, and thorough testing to see where voltage is induced, and if it's gooing to be a problem. |
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| 16:32.20 | mwester | In this case, Om has found where the problem is introduced (and sheilding cannot fix it), and they have figured out how to do a field hardware repair - but it is difficult for most. |
| 16:32.23 | StealthCP | ok. well is there any shielding of that kind in the Freerunner? |
| 16:32.35 | StealthCP | i seee |
| 16:32.57 | mwester | Yes, the entire audio section is under a metal can in the device. |
| 16:33.20 | mwester | The problem is that the GSM signal is carried in via a wire that goes to the headphone - so you cannot shield it. |
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| 16:34.50 | mwester | Complicating the problem is that it does not appear unless the GSM is transmitting at relatively high power, and thus you need to be some distance from a tower for it to happen -- this is why it was not detected early. (and yes, that SHOULD have been a test to have run, but it was not, it appears) |
| 16:35.11 | SpeedEvil | also frequency band matters |
| 16:35.47 | SpeedEvil | and it requires _really_ expensive test kit to simulate a GSM base-station, if you don't happen to be in a country with that frequency band so you can test it in real life |
| 16:39.21 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r330 10/trunk/python-elementary/elementary/elementary.c_elementary.pyx: Add Toggle.state_get() to get the current state of a Toogle Widget |
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| 16:46.04 | Fish | how to export contacts with addressbook? |
| 16:48.44 | StealthCP | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install minimo |
| 16:48.44 | StealthCP | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 16:48.54 | StealthCP | is not sure where to go aftre this error |
| 16:49.13 | mwester | basic troubleshooting. |
| 16:49.35 | StealthCP | ok, but |
| 16:49.48 | mwester | a) do not assume that opkg provides useful messages; so this may very well be a simple "that package doesn't exist" or "I can't reach the URL" problem :) |
| 16:49.53 | henk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opkg#Error_Codes |
| 16:50.00 | mwester | b) opkg list minimo |
| 16:50.07 | mwester | or opkg list | grep minimo |
| 16:50.16 | mwester | then you can try opkg download minimo |
| 16:50.26 | mwester | that will determine if it can download it from the repo |
| 16:51.05 | mwester | and if all that works, then it might be package corruption - opkg install ./<downloaded-package> might provide more info. |
| 16:51.08 | StealthCP | got there :) |
| 16:51.20 | StealthCP | ok, will try that |
| 16:52.05 | mwester | At any time the "verbosity" options to opkg can be used to make it provide a bit more detail on what its doing. |
| 16:52.45 | StealthCP | I used them, but I didn't know what the error code meant, the wiki helped me there |
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| 16:56.24 | leia_20 | hi!!! |
| 16:57.07 | leia_20 | i'm very tired, i have rererererereflash my nfr |
| 16:57.21 | leia_20 | now i have the 2008.9 |
| 16:57.30 | leia_20 | FDOM i think |
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| 16:57.50 | leia_20 | but now the usb dont work |
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| 16:57.59 | leia_20 | there's no wifi option |
| 16:58.11 | leia_20 | :( |
| 16:58.59 | leia_20 | i want a testing version (like lenny in debian) that works |
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| 16:59.27 | leia_20 | what i need to download? please |
| 17:00.14 | henk | leia_20: tried fso? |
| 17:00.19 | leia_20 | yes |
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| 17:00.33 | leia_20 | is the worst ... for me |
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| 17:00.50 | leia_20 | it havent a option to turn of the wifi |
| 17:00.54 | leia_20 | off |
| 17:01.13 | henk | afaict there are nearly no working wifi guis. |
| 17:01.38 | leia_20 | maybe but almost that can turn off |
| 17:02.39 | leia_20 | any recomendation? i want that my nfr will be my daily phone |
| 17:02.51 | leia_20 | i want shell |
| 17:02.52 | henk | who doesn't... |
| 17:03.00 | Zorkman | leia_20: tried SHR? |
| 17:03.06 | leia_20 | ummm |
| 17:03.09 | leia_20 | 2008.8? |
| 17:03.14 | Slaxxin | try rebooting once |
| 17:03.16 | Zorkman | nope SHR |
| 17:03.26 | Milad | do you know what is default password of openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 ? I see in wiki password is blank but blank(just enter) don't work |
| 17:03.36 | Slaxxin | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 17:03.53 | leia_20 | shr ... ok, i'll try |
| 17:04.02 | leia_20 | flash one more time ... |
| 17:04.10 | Slaxxin | use shr from the 15th |
| 17:04.21 | henk | Milad: it should be blank. how are you trying to connect? |
| 17:04.36 | Zorkman | leia_20: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes third joke ;-) |
| 17:04.50 | Milad | henk, ssh |
| 17:05.08 | Milad | henk, ssh -l root -v 192.168.0.202 |
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| 17:05.34 | leia_20 | shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2 or penmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20081216-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 17:06.06 | Slaxxin | i would go 1 day earlier an dont use lite |
| 17:06.38 | leia_20 | shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ?? |
| 17:06.46 | Slaxxin | some say to use nand erase before flashing |
| 17:06.53 | Slaxxin | yup |
| 17:06.57 | leia_20 | ok |
| 17:07.03 | leia_20 | downloading |
| 17:07.24 | Slaxxin | an a new kernel from that page |
| 17:07.52 | leia_20 | say me |
| 17:08.11 | Slaxxin | u may want to use 20098.12 |
| 17:08.17 | Slaxxin | 2008.12 |
| 17:08.35 | leia_20 | works? |
| 17:08.49 | Slaxxin | hard to add applicatations to shr |
| 17:08.56 | leia_20 | ... |
| 17:09.06 | leia_20 | nothing better? |
| 17:09.11 | Slaxxin | 2008.12 does work |
| 17:09.11 | Zorkman | Slaxxin: hard? opkg install.... |
| 17:09.36 | Slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.39 | leia_20 | ok, 2008.12 kernel ... searching |
| 17:10.18 | Slaxxin | if u install shr be sure to use the kernel from shr page |
| 17:10.25 | leia_20 | this 12http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ ? |
| 17:10.35 | leia_20 | latest.bin |
| 17:10.37 | leia_20 | ? |
| 17:10.57 | Slaxxin | zorkman u had no troubles with installing apps on shr? |
| 17:11.23 | Milad | henk, do you know any clue how to add default route in GUI ? |
| 17:11.27 | Slaxxin | leia yup[ |
| 17:11.43 | leia_20 | ok, thanks! |
| 17:12.02 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r331 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (elementary/elementary.c_elementary.pyx tests/test.py): |
| 17:12.03 | henk | Milad: no, sorry |
| 17:12.08 | Slaxxin | zorkman? |
| 17:12.10 | Milad | :) |
| 17:12.14 | Zorkman | Slaxxin: none whatsover |
| 17:12.21 | Slaxxin | really |
| 17:12.38 | Zorkman | yeah.. honestly, what kind of problems did you ahve? |
| 17:12.40 | Zorkman | *have |
| 17:12.54 | Zorkman | sometiems i have to edit a *.desktop file but that's about it... |
| 17:13.15 | Slaxxin | i have never had shr accept any packages to work through opkg |
| 17:13.32 | Slaxxin | they install but dont work |
| 17:13.44 | StealthCP | oh fuck |
| 17:13.49 | StealthCP | upon opkg upgrade |
| 17:13.57 | StealthCP | the ssh daemon restarted |
| 17:14.05 | StealthCP | eddectively terminating the application |
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| 17:14.11 | StealthCP | eff* |
| 17:14.18 | Zorkman | Slaxxin: strange... never encountered that behavious and have been using SHR for some time now.... |
| 17:14.33 | Zorkman | StealthCP: just opkg upgrade from your FR |
| 17:14.49 | Slaxxin | ok i will do it again |
| 17:14.52 | StealthCP | what terminal program should I install? |
| 17:15.21 | SpeedEvil | qemu+wine+hyperterminal. |
| 17:15.54 | Zorkman | StealthCP: i use vala-terminal on my SHR |
| 17:16.18 | StealthCP | I'm using 2008.12 here, I'm guessing that package is available for it too? |
| 17:16.21 | Zorkman | on 2008.x i thinkg you can use openmoko-terminal2 or xterm or some other terminal of your choice |
| 17:16.41 | Zorkman | StealthCP: just do an opkg list |grep terminal |
| 17:16.48 | Zorkman | and then choose the one you want and opkg install it |
| 17:16.50 | StealthCP | yep |
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| 17:23.41 | igor321 | anyone watch harald welte's presentation? |
| 17:23.51 | igor321 | at the ccc, just minutes ago |
| 17:23.54 | igor321 | wuz interesting |
| 17:24.35 | Tm_T | igor321: cccp? |
| 17:24.53 | igor321 | no, that's former soviet superstate |
| 17:25.00 | igor321 | i mean chaos computer conference |
| 17:25.02 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 17:25.27 | SpeedEvil | has trouble believing presentations. |
| 17:25.31 | igor321 | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/Fahrplan/events/3008.en.html |
| 17:25.32 | Tm_T | igor321: I know what cccp is, ccc wasn't familiar |
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| 17:25.49 | igor321 | Tm_T: i kno u kno :P |
| 17:25.56 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: it was all true |
| 17:26.51 | SpeedEvil | There is truth - as believed by the person at the time. |
| 17:27.03 | SpeedEvil | And then there is truth in reality 3 months down the line. |
| 17:27.30 | igor321 | i dunno man, all i heard was objective and absolute truth |
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| 17:29.07 | SpeedEvil | igor321: oh - from that summary, I think I could pretty much answer 'yes' to the tagline. |
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| 17:29.13 | SpeedEvil | 'Do you know the architecture of contemporary mobile phone hardware?' |
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| 17:29.21 | SpeedEvil | It is an interesting topic |
| 17:29.28 | SpeedEvil | I was assuming it was to do with OM future. |
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| 17:29.57 | igor321 | naaah, no such topic there :) |
| 17:29.57 | SpeedEvil | Which for reasons others may not understand, I feel that presentations may not reflect later reality. |
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| 17:30.42 | igor321 | he no longer works for the company, so i don't think he would hold such a presentation anyway |
| 17:31.08 | igor321 | busy with gnufiish these days, i think |
| 17:31.08 | SpeedEvil | isn't keeping up. |
| 17:31.19 | SpeedEvil | (on who's left) |
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| 17:33.04 | SpeedEvil | finds that http://gnufiish.org/ does not enlighten him. |
| 17:34.09 | igor321 | try http://git.gnufiish.org/ |
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| 17:34.33 | igor321 | basically it's about running linux on the glofiish phones |
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| 17:34.51 | SpeedEvil | has never heard of those. |
| 17:34.53 | igor321 | they are really similar to gta2, but have 3.5g, keyboard |
| 17:34.59 | igor321 | stuff like that |
| 17:35.02 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 17:36.10 | igor321 | same soc as gta02 and devices that mostly already have linux drivers |
| 17:36.50 | igor321 | it's gonna make the 4 glofiish owners that like linux very happy ;) |
| 17:37.07 | bumbl | igor321: what's 3.5g? |
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| 17:37.18 | igor321 | bumbl: hsdpa |
| 17:37.22 | bumbl | ah ok |
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| 17:37.34 | bumbl | i would have called that 3g too |
| 17:37.53 | igor321 | i'd call it 4g myself |
| 17:38.01 | igor321 | it's _much_ faster |
| 17:38.06 | bumbl | it is yes |
| 17:38.15 | bumbl | and it has by far better pings |
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| 17:45.19 | mwester | igor321: all 4 of them, huh? Wow! |
| 17:45.22 | mwester | :D |
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| 17:45.48 | igor321 | mwester: yeah :) |
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| 17:49.36 | Defiant- | rosetta also looks like a nice input method. More mature then matchbox-stroke http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ |
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| 18:10.28 | seameat | anyone here who can help me with om 2008.12? |
| 18:19.28 | henk | seameat: just ask |
| 18:19.58 | seameat | oh, well, i was wondering how to register my sim under om 2008.12 |
| 18:20.20 | seameat | also, my freerunner keeps going to sleep and refusing to wake up. any thoughts? |
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| 18:26.34 | henk | seameat: register your sim? what do you mean? |
| 18:26.48 | seameat | on the GSM network. so i can make calls |
| 18:27.19 | henk | seameat: suspend is a problem. but it should be less dramatic in 2008.12. are you running a late kernel and a late bootloader (either qi or a recent u-boot)? |
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| 18:27.34 | henk | that should happen all by itself afaik... |
| 18:28.11 | seameat | i am running whatever is default bootloader, all i flashed was rootfs and uImage |
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| 18:28.52 | seameat | and it sometimes suspends when i am in the middle of navigating the menus |
| 18:29.51 | henk | try upgrading the boot loader. and always boot via the bootloader in nand. afaihh the bootloader plays a role in that whole suspend/wakup-problem... |
| 18:30.30 | seameat | oooh ok, i didn't know, i'll try upgrading that now |
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| 18:30.55 | seameat | do you have a recommendation on bootloader choice? |
| 18:31.56 | henk | i like qi. simple, fast, ... but a recent u-boot is probably more useful and perhaps the 'more supported' way. |
| 18:32.11 | henk | sorry, can't tell any more about it. |
| 18:32.19 | seameat | ok thanks |
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| 18:36.58 | seameat | it's going to be the file called gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin, right? |
| 18:38.04 | henk | yes |
| 18:38.09 | seameat | alright great |
| 18:43.33 | seameat | you said a minute ago to always boot via bootloader in NAND... how is that different from just booting by holding power button? why is it important? |
| 18:47.53 | henk | seameat: as i said: bootloader influences suspend/resume. so using the nor u-boot (which is old, as it can't be updated so easily) might make problems while using the recent u-boot in nand might help with those problems. holding the button makes the nand bootloader 'boot' (as in the menu 'boot') |
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| 18:48.08 | seameat | ok great |
| 18:48.18 | seameat | thanks for your patience, henk |
| 18:48.53 | henk | you're welcome |
| 18:50.39 | seameat | aww damn. still went into suspend mode |
| 18:50.41 | seameat | :/ |
| 18:51.29 | seameat | maybe i'll try a different distro |
| 18:52.26 | henk | perhaps other kernel will already help |
| 18:53.13 | seameat | perhaps |
| 18:53.16 | seameat | i'll try that |
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| 18:58.38 | StealthCP | I'm afraid an opkg upgrade has buggered X up |
| 18:58.49 | StealthCP | on 2008.12 |
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| 18:58.59 | StealthCP | I had the um |
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| 18:59.06 | StealthCP | Angstrom Repository added |
| 18:59.08 | StealthCP | was that wise? |
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| 19:08.11 | StealthCP | well looks like I'm going to have to reflash now anyway, unless someone can suggest an alternative |
| 19:08.24 | StealthCP | might try out Android this time or SHR |
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| 19:09.51 | StealthCP | actually, I'll explain what I want from the phone, I'd like TangoGPS, a browser (probably minimo), media player, and well if it receives calls and texts, that's a plus bonus |
| 19:10.50 | StealthCP | should I stick with 2008.12 or would SHR be any better? (I noticed SHR seems more advanced at times than 2008.12, what with GSM multiplexing and all) |
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| 19:32.23 | Mortak | hi all |
| 19:34.16 | jonkristian | Hi Mortak, how's it going? |
| 19:35.01 | Mortak | jonkristian: hi :) fine, and self? |
| 19:35.35 | jonkristian | I'm building shr atm, this time it actually seems to work. Had some patch problems earlier, like a month ago. |
| 19:36.47 | Mortak | jonkristian: yesterday i testet it too, but didnt work. in a few minutes i kick a hackable:1 on my sd card |
| 19:36.53 | jonkristian | Not 100% fine, think I've had too much coffee today. |
| 19:37.11 | jonkristian | Mortak: they've changed the makefile and wiki afaik, just half an hour ago. |
| 19:37.28 | jonkristian | So you might get lucky this time aswell;) |
| 19:37.40 | Mortak | jonkristian: but shr rocks, and my "An error ocurred, return value: -49936." error is gone |
| 19:37.49 | jonkristian | sweet |
| 19:37.57 | jonkristian | Using unstable or testing? |
| 19:38.04 | Mortak | yeah, i test it now :) |
| 19:38.16 | Mortak | i think stable |
| 19:38.43 | jonkristian | Mortak: is the md5sum problem gone? |
| 19:39.14 | Mortak | jonkristian: ? |
| 19:39.19 | jonkristian | sec |
| 19:39.41 | Mortak | maybe i was drunken :) |
| 19:39.42 | jonkristian | Package libframeworkd-glib0 md5sum mismatch. |
| 19:39.44 | jonkristian | lol |
| 19:39.47 | jonkristian | yeah, maybe |
| 19:40.08 | Mortak | oh, yeah, its resolved on opkg site, i think they put the crrect md5sum on the serers :) |
| 19:40.18 | Mortak | "opkg side" |
| 19:40.30 | jonkristian | ok, any new updates recently? |
| 19:40.35 | Mortak | many many typos, just ignore them |
| 19:40.51 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 19:40.52 | Mortak | nope, nothing important i can remember |
| 19:41.47 | jonkristian | alrighty |
| 19:43.34 | seameat | do any of you know if different distributions are better at registering SIM cards on the GSM network than the openmoko distros? |
| 19:45.39 | Mortak | seameat: i tested 2008.12,fdom and shr, and all of them registered fine (now and then a reboot was required) |
| 19:46.30 | leia_20 | hi again!! i have reflash, now i have shr, it's very very nice, but in Midory where is the direction bar? |
| 19:46.48 | seameat | hmmm... i tried the default 2007.2, 2008.9, 2008.12 none of them register my sim |
| 19:47.23 | StealthCP | what country are you in? |
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| 19:47.46 | seameat | USA |
| 19:47.53 | StealthCP | and what network are you on? |
| 19:47.57 | seameat | AT&T |
| 19:48.00 | seameat | not 3g |
| 19:48.05 | Mortak | hmm, in germany it works :)# |
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| 19:48.24 | seameat | i see. hmm. |
| 19:49.02 | seameat | SIM registration is a software issue, right? so potentially, different distros could do a better job than the openmoko ones, is this correct? |
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| 19:49.23 | StealthCP | could, if that's the problem |
| 19:49.28 | seameat | ok |
| 19:50.24 | seameat | i'll scour the wiki for info before i do anymore flashing :P |
| 19:50.27 | Mortak | jonkristian: makeing image too, now :) |
| 19:50.36 | Mortak | "making" |
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| 19:53.52 | Mortak | what means: "NOTE: preferred version 2.2.1 of pidgin not available (for item pidgin)" ? |
| 19:54.22 | Mortak | is it in the image now, or not? hmm.. |
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| 19:59.49 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: Does your phone not recognize the SIM? |
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| 20:00.46 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, no it doesnt |
| 20:01.10 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, when i was on Om 2007.2, it just kept trying to register, ad infinitum |
| 20:01.19 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: Mine didn't either, until I flashed a new GSM firmware. |
| 20:01.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm, on mine, ophonekitd simply said there was no SIM and exited. |
| 20:01.47 | seameat | ah, that solved it for you, huh? |
| 20:01.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah. |
| 20:02.05 | Digital_Pioneer | But note that a new distro is NOT a new GSM firmware. |
| 20:02.08 | seameat | ok, and all the info for doing that is on openmoko.org wiki, right? |
| 20:02.13 | seameat | ok good to know |
| 20:02.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah. |
| 20:02.52 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 20:03.14 | seameat | fantastic |
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| 20:05.04 | kW | Hello, is it possible to have multiple root filesystems on the same physical root filesystem? |
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| 20:05.49 | zash__ | kW: like, unionfs? |
| 20:06.16 | kW | zash__: more like chroot configurable in the kernel command line |
| 20:06.31 | lindi- | kW: just use initramfs or something to configure it |
| 20:06.58 | lindi- | kW: or write /sbin/init -wrapper that does chroot and then runs real init if you are really allergic to initramfs |
| 20:07.04 | kW | zash__: I'd like to have multiple distributions on my SDcard but I do not want to create a partition for each of them |
| 20:07.34 | kW | lindi-: mhh |
| 20:08.27 | lindi- | kW: initramfs already has code for parsing /proc/cmdline |
| 20:08.46 | lindi- | kW: so you want to reuse it even if you don't general initramfs |
| 20:08.51 | lindi- | s/general/generate/ |
| 20:09.35 | batchy | i use dirty symlinks to do that ;) |
| 20:09.36 | lindi- | batchy: what runs chroot? |
| 20:09.54 | batchy | nothing, i just symlinks /etc, /usr ... to somewhere else in the partition |
| 20:10.10 | lindi- | batchy: or does find / -maxdepth 1 include only symlink... |
| 20:10.11 | lindi- | ok |
| 20:10.34 | lindi- | batchy: that does not allow you to choose the distro with uboot menu entry |
| 20:10.45 | batchy | no |
| 20:10.45 | lindi- | (or do you have some clever trick for that?) |
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| 20:12.12 | batchy | well i didn't tried to be able to choose distribution when booting |
| 20:12.45 | batchy | as long as i can use nand to do that choice ;) |
| 20:17.38 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, that GSM flashing tutorial scares me. lol |
| 20:17.53 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: LOL, just SSH in and copy and paste. |
| 20:18.01 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: It scared me too. ;) |
| 20:18.05 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, hahaha |
| 20:18.39 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, you are uding the openmokoo distro? 2008.x? |
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| 20:19.16 | almien | OM 2008.12 - when the screen goes dark a few seconds after you stop pressing buttons, how do you get back to the OS again? |
| 20:19.34 | seameat | almien, i was just dealing with that today |
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| 20:19.56 | seameat | almien, i ended up rolling back to 2008.9 because in .12 it will not resume |
| 20:20.03 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: No, I use SHR. |
| 20:20.10 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, i see |
| 20:20.19 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, wifi work on SHR? |
| 20:20.26 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: Yes. |
| 20:20.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Well... |
| 20:20.35 | Digital_Pioneer | Yes, but mofi does not. :) |
| 20:20.46 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, lol. ok, thats fine, i just want wifi |
| 20:21.07 | Digital_Pioneer | I suppose in reality, mofi does too, but udhcpcd or whatever the DHCP client is does not. |
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| 20:21.27 | Digital_Pioneer | So you have to use a static IP. At least I do. |
| 20:21.44 | leia_20 | hi! |
| 20:21.48 | seameat | oh i see |
| 20:21.51 | seameat | wb leia |
| 20:22.13 | leia_20 | how i permit ssh to my nfr by wifi? |
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| 20:22.55 | seameat | i've just been using usb networking so far. wifi is spotty in lots of distros, it seems. |
| 20:22.58 | lindi- | leia_20: you are using dropbear ssh server? |
| 20:23.05 | lindi- | seameat: spotty? |
| 20:23.08 | leia_20 | yes |
| 20:23.24 | lindi- | leia_20: odd, i didn't do any special configuration for it to listen on all interfaces |
| 20:23.39 | seameat | lindi-, yes, why, does your wifi work well? and what distro are you using? |
| 20:23.46 | lindi- | leia_20: netstat -alpn|grep :22 should show the address where it listens |
| 20:23.55 | leia_20 | ok |
| 20:24.18 | lindi- | seameat: andy-tracking de473ca893c928 kernel |
| 20:24.30 | seameat | o.O |
| 20:24.37 | leia_20 | tcp 0 0 192.168.0.202:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 20:24.53 | seameat | lindi-, i am not familiar with that one |
| 20:25.10 | lindi- | seameat: have used that for 12 days now, wlan seems to work quite well (had only one crash but i have not yet submitted a bug about that) |
| 20:25.40 | seameat | lindi-, i see. where can i find that online to read about it? |
| 20:25.42 | lindi- | seameat: (it didn't crash the whole system, just printed kernel error message and stopped all wlan stuff) |
| 20:25.55 | lindi- | seameat: git.openmoko.org has linux-2.6 tree with andy-tracking branch |
| 20:26.20 | lindi- | leia_20: it seems to indeed be listening only on your usb0 address |
| 20:26.37 | leia_20 | where i change this? |
| 20:26.38 | lindi- | leia_20: does ps axuf show that it is started with some special arguments? |
| 20:27.19 | lindi- | seameat: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/kernel.txt has some oldish notes |
| 20:27.31 | leia_20 | brb |
| 20:27.45 | seameat | lindi-, ok, will read |
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| 20:28.32 | almien | seameat: ah OK, so 2008.12 is just unusable then? |
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| 20:28.54 | lindi- | seameat: i copied most of them to wiki to page development_environment or something |
| 20:28.57 | root_at | hey. does the freerunner support fltk? i am not sure about that, cause i haven't got my freerunner yet... |
| 20:29.03 | seameat | almien, for me it was. after 10 seconds of inactivity, it suspended without being able to resume |
| 20:29.28 | lindi- | root_at: fltk is software, freerunner is hardware :) are you trying to ask if om 2008.12 distro supports it? |
| 20:29.38 | almien | ok thanks. It also only has about 3 programs installed - FDOM had 20 or so, makes it seem quite bare |
| 20:30.10 | root_at | does om2008.12 support it? and more important for me, does shr support it? |
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| 20:30.38 | seameat | almien, i havent tried fdom yet. just got my freerunner yesterday |
| 20:30.39 | lindi- | root_at: that i do not know sorry, i have not managed to compile it yet |
| 20:30.51 | lindi- | root_at: but i'm sure it works fine in debian :-) |
| 20:31.37 | root_at | i read alot about the images, and i prefer shr up to now |
| 20:31.58 | root_at | but thanks...may anyone else knows it? |
| 20:32.00 | almien | seameat: it's very good. the only reason I'm briefly trying 2008.12 was a problem getting USB networking in FDOM, not sure if it's just my laptop or the distro |
| 20:32.26 | almien | seameat: FDOM even comes with duke nukem (if you edit the config file to turn sound off) |
| 20:32.38 | seameat | almien, i see. wow lol i love duke nukem! |
| 20:33.09 | seameat | almien, is the fdom keyboard better than the om 2008.x keyboard? |
| 20:33.50 | almien | dunno, 2008.12 won't wake up to try it |
| 20:34.11 | seameat | almien, lol |
| 20:34.31 | almien | its keyboard is pretty usable though. it has a terminal mode so you can actually do stuff with it (enter key, tab, escape, cursor keys, etc), but I'm wondering about getting an external keyboard for it |
| 20:34.35 | seameat | almien, if you hold the power button for `8 seconds, it'll actually turn the phone off, then you can boot up again |
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| 20:35.43 | almien | any idea how I can turn off the suspend within the first 10 seconds after booting it? |
| 20:39.14 | seameat | almien, no, i tried going to the settings menu, and adjusting the setting for suspend, but it doesn't affect it |
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| 20:40.05 | seameat | almien, which kernel were you using with FDOM? i currently have the 2008.9 kernel installed |
| 20:41.22 | almien | seameat: no idea. I thought it came as a jffs image? |
| 20:41.40 | seameat | almien, isnt that just the rootfs? |
| 20:42.47 | seameat | almien, i am gonna flash the FDOM image now |
| 20:42.59 | kW | Does anybody know what these "-lowlevel.bin" files on http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ are for? |
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| 20:46.20 | almien | seameat: in that case, no idea - I didn't know you had to install kernel separately |
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| 20:47.07 | seameat | almien, probably just running whatever kernel came pre-installed, then, eh |
| 20:48.06 | almien | probably. where do you download newer ones from? |
| 20:48.08 | root_at | cant find the shr irc channel : / can anyone tell me plz the adress? |
| 20:49.29 | seameat | almien, the uImage.bin here is what I am using http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ |
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| 20:50.37 | leia_20 | i back, how i permit ssh to the wifi of my nfr? in usb works fine, but not in wifi |
| 20:50.53 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, i just found out that the AT&T network in my area is having huge problems, so it might not be my GSM firmware... i'll wait for that to be resolved before flashing the GSM |
| 20:50.55 | Digital_Pioneer | root_at: This IS the SHR IRC channel... :) |
| 20:51.08 | undrwater | leia_20: is your wifi up? |
| 20:51.09 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: Probably not a bad idea. :) |
| 20:51.09 | root_at | o rly? oO |
| 20:51.09 | Mortak | leia_20: isnt there some iptables port? |
| 20:51.23 | Digital_Pioneer | root_at: Yeah, I don't think there is a separate SHR channel. |
| 20:51.28 | seameat | root_at, at least, its an all-inclusive OpenMoko phone channel |
| 20:51.30 | Digital_Pioneer | root_at: What's your problem? |
| 20:51.43 | root_at | does shr support fltk for sure? |
| 20:51.49 | leia_20 | is recently flash to SHR, i dont know if had iptables, the wifi is on and working |
| 20:51.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, that is fltk? :P |
| 20:52.08 | leia_20 | has |
| 20:52.11 | root_at | a toolkit for gui |
| 20:52.12 | undrwater | leia_20: you can ping google or something? |
| 20:52.15 | leia_20 | (sorry for my english) |
| 20:52.18 | leia_20 | yes |
| 20:52.26 | undrwater | or ping your desktop / laptop? |
| 20:52.31 | leia_20 | yes |
| 20:52.38 | leia_20 | the wifi is working fine |
| 20:52.53 | root_at | Digital_Pioneer: like gtk...but not that big |
| 20:53.01 | Digital_Pioneer | root_at: Technically, if it runs on any distro, it should run on SHR too... But it may not always work out so nicely. :P |
| 20:53.20 | leia_20 | ii think it for the dropbear |
| 20:53.54 | StealthCP | ok in 2008.12 I dunno how to bring the keyboard up, or toggle it, where is the button to do so? |
| 20:54.09 | root_at | Digital_Pioneer: yeah and this is my problem. i am waiting for my freerunner, and i would like to learn programming a gui now, but i dont know which cause i am not sure if my freerunner will support it : / |
| 20:54.38 | leia_20 | 4[undrwater4] any idea? |
| 20:55.13 | Mortak | ouch |
| 20:55.15 | root_at | isnt there an ircchan from the shr-devs? |
| 20:55.38 | Digital_Pioneer | root_at: Well, I'll search for a package. Hold on. |
| 20:55.58 | undrwater | leia_20: can you restart dropbear? |
| 20:56.05 | root_at | cool, thanks in advance :) |
| 20:56.10 | leia_20 | yes, i have do that many times |
| 20:56.17 | undrwater | leia_20: what's the message from the pc? |
| 20:56.34 | Digital_Pioneer | root_at: Doesn't appear to be a package for it. |
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| 20:56.56 | leia_20 | connection refused |
| 20:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | F*CK! no more tickets for 25C3 |
| 20:57.30 | seameat | DocScrutinizer, ? |
| 20:57.36 | root_at | Digital_Pioneer: thanks..hmm...i will try to ask an dev, just to be sure. |
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| 20:57.49 | Mortak | DocScrutinizer: yeah :( |
| 20:57.57 | Digital_Pioneer | root_at: OK. GL |
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| 20:59.04 | Digital_Pioneer | Can I get a real BASH on my FR? Curses upon this stupid busybox joke... |
| 20:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | won't travel to Berlin, to stand a queue at 8PM, and learn day-tickets are sold out and I can give away my SMT-components in front of the entrance in the cold |
| 21:00.17 | Mortak | DocScrutinizer: its too crowded there, i`ll watch some of the feeds, or wait for the torrents :) |
| 21:00.49 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, it's best to SSH for most of your terminal needs... no '/' key on keyboard, at least on om 2007.2, 2008.x |
| 21:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so right this moment I'll cancel my plans to meet some of you guys there. Sorry |
| 21:01.26 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: I do. I guess SSH has real bash somehow... |
| 21:01.40 | Digital_Pioneer | But I do use the terminal on the phone every now and then, and it SUCKS. |
| 21:01.42 | reenzo | I have a problem with gprs. Everything works well for a while, then all the GSM engine blocks and I have to reboor my FR to have back GSM and GPRS working again. Anyone experienced the same problem? (I am running Debian/FSO) |
| 21:01.43 | Mortak | DocScrutinizer: ^^ |
| 21:02.04 | mwester | wonders why Digital_Pioneer doesn't just do "opkg install bash" ? |
| 21:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | anybody asking for big-C components please send me a mail instead. |
| 21:02.17 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: Because that package doesn't exist. |
| 21:02.23 | seameat | ooooooooh good call. didnt know you could, mwester |
| 21:02.31 | seameat | or not |
| 21:02.35 | seameat | :/ |
| 21:02.36 | mwester | It's in the angstrom feeds |
| 21:02.55 | mwester | and someone should just ask to have it put in the FSO/SHR/OM feeds ;) |
| 21:03.06 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm asking. |
| 21:03.25 | Mortak | "no GPS found" i hate that! |
| 21:03.37 | mwester | by "ask", of course I meant to open a ticket in the usual fashion for the distro in question ;) |
| 21:04.06 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh, I'm too lazy for that... |
| 21:04.16 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, oh geez |
| 21:04.19 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, lol |
| 21:04.20 | mwester | then you don't *really* want bash. |
| 21:04.21 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 21:04.58 | seameat | i hope my FDOM flash finishes soon... i have to go to work shortly |
| 21:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | "to stand a queue at 8PM" s/PM/AM/ |
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| 21:07.03 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: I didn't care for FDOM much... It's the same as OM, except with a ton of apps you don't want. |
| 21:07.19 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, lol i see |
| 21:07.27 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: Sure I do, I just go find this Angstrom thing... |
| 21:07.45 | seameat | Digital_Pioneer, some users seem to think certain features work better in FDOM than OM |
| 21:08.06 | Digital_Pioneer | seameat: *Shrug* I just use SHR, and don't worry about it. :) |
| 21:08.33 | seameat | heh. its quite likely i'll try 4 or 5 more distros before i settle on one |
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| 21:11.00 | undrwater | does anyone know where e is accessing the touch screen? |
| 21:11.21 | batchy | tslib ;) |
| 21:11.46 | Digital_Pioneer | undrwater: Perhaps /dev/input/touchscreen0?' |
| 21:12.34 | undrwater | Digital_Pioneer: i'm trying to troubleshoot a zaurus...trying to use FR for help in that arena... |
| 21:12.58 | undrwater | can't get touch screen to work on Z...is there a config file or a file from E that uses the /dev/input? |
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| 21:13.10 | Digital_Pioneer | I don't even know what a zaurus is... |
| 21:13.49 | batchy | e use X's mouse |
| 21:14.05 | batchy | (which use tslib on openmoko) |
| 21:14.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Wow, huge upgrades... |
| 21:14.53 | leia_20 | can someone help me with a usb-rj45 adaptor? the lsusb show 0a46:9601 Davicom Semiconductor and dmesg new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 70 |
| 21:15.11 | leia_20 | but no new interface |
| 21:18.11 | leia_20 | any idea? |
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| 21:19.07 | finnarne | lindi-: thx. looks like there is a problem building zhone. it failed at my end as well... |
| 21:20.24 | undrwater | Digital_Pioneer: zaurus is linux PDA |
| 21:20.25 | StealthCP | I'm really not sure what is better to use, SHR or om2008 |
| 21:20.39 | Digital_Pioneer | undrwater: Hmm, cool. |
| 21:20.41 | StealthCP | seems most use SHR. |
| 21:20.49 | Defiant- | I wouldn't tag om2008 usable... |
| 21:21.00 | StealthCP | not even 2008.12? |
| 21:21.02 | undrwater | Digital_Pioneer: made by Sharp |
| 21:21.15 | StealthCP | bear in mind I haven't tried SHR yet |
| 21:21.24 | undrwater | i'll make sure tslib is where it's supposed to be |
| 21:21.28 | StealthCP | and even then there seems to be choice (stable, unstable, testing) |
| 21:21.36 | Defiant- | StealthCP: I guess it depends on what you want. I use everything but the gsm. Most user seem to want vice versa |
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| 21:22.06 | root_at | Digital_Pioneer: fltk seems to work: http://www.mail-archive.com/fltk-dev@easysw.com/msg00835.html just wanted to let you know that...but i am still not sure whats about shr |
| 21:22.06 | StealthCP | earlier someone said it was hard to add software to SHR, so I immediately skipped trying that |
| 21:22.18 | StealthCP | and Android didn't seem to even start booting for me |
| 21:24.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Ugh, curse those blasted md5sum mismatches... |
| 21:25.36 | StealthCP | oh swell, I guess I'm trying SHR now |
| 21:25.59 | StealthCP | though I want to know what's difficult about 'adding software' or whatever it is |
| 21:27.46 | Digital_Pioneer | StealthCP: I've had little trouble adding programs to my SHR. |
| 21:28.10 | StealthCP | ok. where should I look first? |
| 21:28.33 | StealthCP | I'll not bother building my own image - I don't honestly see the point |
| 21:28.44 | StealthCP | but unstable/testing, what do you use? |
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| 21:29.50 | Digital_Pioneer | StealthCP: Uhh, I use stable I think. |
| 21:30.16 | StealthCP | you think? |
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| 21:31.51 | sicu | StealthCP: go for testing =] |
| 21:31.58 | Digital_Pioneer | I just downloaded the latest one in the directory I was linked to. :) |
| 21:32.13 | StealthCP | sicu, what's up with testing? :P |
| 21:32.25 | StealthCP | also I don't want to have daily updates of all packages |
| 21:32.32 | StealthCP | and things should 'work' |
| 21:32.38 | StealthCP | that's why I was considering unstable |
| 21:33.32 | sicu | that's why you should go for testing ;p |
| 21:33.37 | sicu | unstable is unstable ;p |
| 21:35.07 | StealthCP | if I'm not mistaken (I'm not a debian fan) testing is more unstable than unstable? |
| 21:35.40 | StealthCP | is it not stable, unstable, testing, experimental? |
| 21:36.46 | bumbl | unstable has all those new bright and shiny features |
| 21:37.28 | jonkristian | testing/unstable I fail to see the point in that. There's either unstable or there's stable. |
| 21:38.28 | jonkristian | I thought that was what branches in git were for;p |
| 21:39.02 | sicu | well ... i guess it'll stay 'testing' until such a time they deem it worty of a release and will then become stable |
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| 21:45.21 | StealthCP | did I miss anything? |
| 21:45.41 | StealthCP | missed everything after my last line, I hate running out of memory on this thing |
| 21:46.03 | Mortak | nope, nothing :) |
| 21:46.03 | bumbl | jonkristian: well until there is no release there is no stable branch |
| 21:46.24 | StealthCP | so unstable or testing yo |
| 21:46.34 | bumbl | so there is testing = that what becomes stable sometime soon |
| 21:46.45 | bumbl | and unstable = here the development goes on |
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| 21:48.34 | jonkristian | yo |
| 21:48.35 | jonkristian | :D |
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| 21:50.56 | Mortak | jonkristian: are you still compiling shr? :) |
| 21:52.00 | almien | how do you get keyboard in SHR? |
| 21:54.07 | almien | ok, found it |
| 21:54.31 | jonkristian | Mortak: my computer crashed, and I had to get back to work. |
| 21:55.10 | Mortak | jonkristian: that sucks |
| 21:55.25 | Mortak | almien: was too late :) |
| 21:55.58 | jonkristian | Mortak: yeah, tell me about it, ugh:/ |
| 21:56.08 | Mortak | jonkristian: :) |
| 21:56.41 | Mortak | jonkristian: im building themes and icons atm |
| 21:56.44 | root_at | can anyone plz tell me something about the mailinglists? is it only for important stuff, or would it be ok to ask if shr supports fltk? |
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| 21:57.48 | dufflebunk | There are lots of random posts on there. Although you might want to see if the SHR project has their own ML |
| 21:57.49 | Mortak | root_at: i think its ok to ask |
| 21:58.07 | root_at | dufflebunk: ML? |
| 21:58.12 | dufflebunk | mailing list |
| 21:58.28 | root_at | openmoko-shr :D |
| 21:58.34 | Mortak | http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/How%20to%20join |
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| 21:58.57 | moritz | hi |
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| 21:58.59 | dufflebunk | goes back to waiting fro qt4 to compile |
| 21:59.02 | Mortak | yo |
| 21:59.03 | moritz | i cannot get my gps to work |
| 21:59.07 | ivom | hey |
| 21:59.17 | Mortak | me too :) |
| 21:59.24 | moritz | gpsd is running but "cat /dev/ttySAC1" simply returns eof. |
| 21:59.48 | moritz | (right now i'm running debian on the freerunner, but i didn't have luck with other distributions either) |
| 22:00.02 | dufflebunk | Did you turn the GPS on? |
| 22:00.43 | moritz | yes, i did: echo 1 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
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| 22:01.03 | dufflebunk | hmm, is something else using it? |
| 22:01.10 | dufflebunk | lsof /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 22:01.48 | moritz | need to install lsof first |
| 22:02.15 | ivom | just wondering about the design decision behind having root as the default user. I don't need to be a very informed hacker to wreck havoc on the openmoko. Of course, having root as the default user is wrong, are there any initiatives to create a more secure base model for the userland side of openmoko? I take 2008.12 as a reference, but know that fso is the way to go. from |
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| 22:03.14 | dufflebunk | ivom: you mean having an ssh server, with a blank root password might not be secure? |
| 22:03.48 | moritz | I guess he's primarily referring to the default user as in "the user who starts X" |
| 22:04.05 | ivom | correct moritz, i mean that every app is running as root. |
| 22:04.11 | mwester | ivom: the general idea is to first make the basic phone actually work, to some degree. Then security can be considered. Certainly not running as root is important, but someone has even messed with selinux on the device. But first it would be nice if one could reliably place and recieve phone calls ;) |
| 22:04.20 | moritz | dufflebunk: yes, there is a process using that device: it's frameworkd. |
| 22:04.34 | moritz | dufflebunk: is that an explanation for me not being able to read from that device? |
| 22:04.48 | dufflebunk | moritz: Yeah, only one thing gets the file at a time. |
| 22:04.57 | XorA | hey, Android released without security and no-one complained :-) |
| 22:05.07 | XorA | just don't send a text with rm -rf / |
| 22:05.14 | lindi- | moritz: you need to reset gps first? |
| 22:05.15 | mwester | hehe! |
| 22:05.23 | dufflebunk | moritz: 2008.12 has gpsd, which I think does multiplexing. I don't know what frameworkd does |
| 22:05.38 | mwester | Yes, but the design of Android doesn't include shell access, at least for the first version. :) |
| 22:05.43 | moritz | (i would just be glad to have gps working once) |
| 22:05.44 | lindi- | moritz: ignore previous line :) |
| 22:05.54 | XorA | mwester: pity they included the shell access then :-D |
| 22:06.12 | moritz | dufflebunk: i killed that process, but still i get eof. |
| 22:06.16 | lindi- | moritz: i use gpsd -F gpsd.sock -N -n -D 1 /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 22:06.17 | mwester | XorA: Are you saying that Android on the G1 has shell access? |
| 22:06.20 | mwester | I didn't know that. |
| 22:06.39 | XorA | mwester: yes it does, everything typed into virtual keyboard goes to tty0 console :-) |
| 22:06.48 | dufflebunk | *snicker* |
| 22:06.51 | mwester | Hmm... is that intentional? |
| 22:06.53 | XorA | mwester: until they patched it, putting the word reboot into a text message rebooted the phone |
| 22:07.00 | mwester | Ouch. |
| 22:07.05 | mwester | ! |
| 22:07.06 | XorA | mwester: rf -rf / would have killed it for good |
| 22:07.24 | mwester | wonders where he's been that he didn't know of this problem! |
| 22:07.33 | XorA | is patched now, but I bet its kludged not fixed :-) |
| 22:07.48 | mwester | That's frightening. (but funny, in a way!) |
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| 22:08.04 | moritz | as far as i know that was some kind of debugging code, in android. |
| 22:08.08 | moritz | (still funny) |
| 22:08.29 | moritz | all i/o was sent to a root shell in the background. |
| 22:09.13 | XorA | I guess it would have made jail breaking the phone easy :-D |
| 22:09.16 | mwester | But as I google this, I get the feeling that there are many ways to gain shell access, in one form or another. I guess that's all the more reason to not run Om's stuff as root, in the long run. |
| 22:09.44 | mwester | Don't want to have that sort of press for the device, if you can avoid it! |
| 22:10.08 | XorA | heh, maybe you should msn the bugs then :-D |
| 22:10.10 | moritz | lindi: i don't have gpsd. I have fso-gpsd and this one doesn't know about "-F" and it spits out several warnings like "WARNING: Timeout: no gypsy device created". |
| 22:10.30 | moritz | i guess, that's because i'm running debian on it. |
| 22:10.38 | moritz | sigh. |
| 22:13.31 | Fish | I just made a QT Extended 4.4.3 image based on FSO, it works well |
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| 22:15.04 | igor321 | Fish: care to elaborate? |
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| 22:16.26 | mwester | That's been around for a while - http://moko.mwester.net/qtextended.html describes the process. |
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| 22:17.05 | Fish | hum yes |
| 22:17.11 | Fish | I didn't know that :) |
| 22:17.53 | mwester | :D Well, that's good - then you just validated the approach through independent work. |
| 22:18.33 | igor321 | i thought it was qtopia with an fso telephony backend |
| 22:18.53 | mwester | I haven't seen any updated 4.4.3 sources for many weeks from Nokia/Trolltech, though. :( |
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| 22:19.11 | faltantornillos | hi there. is it possible to configure zone so that it vibrates when there is a incoming call or message? pls |
| 22:19.16 | Fish | the last snapshot is from 9 december |
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| 22:28.23 | kirun | bah, untangle crashed my phone |
| 22:34.01 | kW | Hello, does anybody know how to boot from an SDHC card which is ext2 formatted? |
| 22:34.29 | moritz | as far as i know you have two choices: |
| 22:34.36 | moritz | (1) use Qi as bootloader |
| 22:34.45 | moritz | (2) modify the uBoot environment |
| 22:34.58 | kW | moritz: I tried to modify the uBoot environment, but without luck |
| 22:35.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Does Qi remove the risk of corrupting the partition table? |
| 22:35.11 | moritz | i don't know |
| 22:35.15 | moritz | i have installed Qi |
| 22:35.18 | moritz | it worked so far |
| 22:35.34 | kW | I do "ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}", but it tells me "** Unable to read "uImage.bin" from mmc 1:1 **" |
| 22:35.58 | kW | I've updated the bootloader to U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 (Dec 28 2008) |
| 22:36.41 | Digital_Pioneer | I installed BASH, but now /etc/profile, ~/.bashrc are not getting sourced. |
| 22:36.49 | moritz | dunno, but if that doesn't work, how about trying Qi? |
| 22:37.17 | Digital_Pioneer | In the on-phone terminal that is. SSH works fine. |
| 22:37.34 | kW | Well, Qi looks even less versatile... I won't have a boot menu... |
| 22:37.46 | Digital_Pioneer | kW: There's still NOR. |
| 22:38.26 | Digital_Pioneer | kW: Qi is the way of the future anyways. :P I believe that it's to replace uboot eventually. |
| 22:38.33 | kW | mhh |
| 22:39.03 | moritz | that's what i read as well |
| 22:39.29 | kW | does anybody know whether the current uboot ext2 driver does support symlinks? |
| 22:39.38 | kW | (like grub does) |
| 22:41.24 | mwester | Yeah, Qi is the future, whether we like to give up the boot menu or not. But to be fair, the tools have been around for a year, and users haven't stepped up to the plate to build a replacement for the boot menu. That's not something that should be done by the bootloader in the first place... |
| 22:41.54 | Mortak | anyone have the same error? "NOTE: package python-etk-0.3.0+svnr37812-r0: task do_compile: failed" |
| 22:41.59 | kW | mwester: you talk about running a boot-menu-linux? |
| 22:42.13 | mwester | What's especially interesting is that there are some really excellent examples already in OE of how you can do the replacement of the boot menu with kexec and a initramfs, etc. :) |
| 22:42.57 | mwester | kW: Yep, that's it exactly - minimal kernel with a tiny rootfs, and kexec -- can do whatever we want it to do -- even boot the phone (for recovery for example) from a tftp server. :) That's cool. |
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| 22:45.35 | kW | mwester: I'd opt for entering a strong crypto password using just a sequence of strokes along the screen and having the rest of the device's storage media (internal flash, SDHC card) being encrypted... |
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| 22:51.32 | mwester | kW: That's a useful idea -- and should be very practical, with the possible exeption of translating strokes to an encryption key. |
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| 22:53.43 | kW | mwester: well.. you can divide the area into 8*6 subareas, so you can yield about 5.5 bits per stroke |
| 22:54.42 | kW | so you need about 23 strokes for 128 bits... quite a lot, but maybe doable by using pictograms ... |
| 22:55.18 | kW | and then the strokes are varied a little bit when trying to decrypt "the real key" for the devices, to cater for errors on input |
| 23:01.05 | kW | By the way, is there a special FSO channel? |
| 23:04.57 | yoyo | question: how can I turn on / off bluetooth? |
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| 23:12.14 | lindi- | moritz: you can apt-get install gpsd to test |
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| 23:23.10 | almien | is it normal that 'sleep' button in SHR brings up "suspending your computer, please wait" dialog for a few seconds then just returns to the main desktop? |
| 23:26.15 | Mortak | almien: nope :) |
| 23:26.48 | almien | it should work? ok, useful to know |
| 23:27.25 | Mortak | almien: normally it suspends |
| 23:27.34 | almien | thanks |
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| 23:48.02 | StealthCP | oh my |
| 23:48.18 | StealthCP | has just seen SHR for the first time |
| 23:48.35 | Mortak | congratz :) |
| 23:48.55 | StealthCP | best yet |
| 23:48.59 | StealthCP | I keep dis |
| 23:50.33 | Mortak | did you build it by you rown or did you flash a image? |
| 23:51.21 | StealthCP | flashed the latest one from testing |
| 23:51.39 | Mortak | ah, ok :) |
| 23:51.49 | StealthCP | i would build my own, but I don't have a need to |
| 23:52.10 | StealthCP | not right now anyway - I wanted to see SHr before I started wasting time doing that :P |
| 23:52.11 | Mortak | i tried to, but it stops after some hours :) |
| 23:52.17 | Mortak | ^^ hehe |
| 23:53.52 | StealthCP | here why has the power LED lit up when i plugged in the charge? |
| 23:53.57 | StealthCP | it's normally the aux :o |
| 23:54.45 | Mortak | :) |
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| 23:57.42 | StealthCP | much better though :P |
| 23:57.50 | StealthCP | it makes more sense, and looks cooler |
| 23:57.57 | StealthCP | is there anything SHR can't do? |
| 23:58.21 | Mortak | gps at my phone atm |
| 23:58.25 | StealthCP | feels like he's part of a cult now |
| 23:58.31 | StealthCP | omg the led turned blue :O |
| 23:58.36 | Mortak | you are :) |
| 23:59.56 | StealthCP | oh my god I've got console colours and htop on the phone D8 |