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| 00:39.20 | [Rui] | wow so many around, hi all! |
| 00:42.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Where are SMSs stored? :\ |
| 00:46.23 | kd8ikt | if had to guess i would say sim card |
| 00:46.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Then how do I get at them? The SMS reader in SHR is broken. |
| 00:47.20 | kd8ikt | worked for me do you have antenna bars? |
| 00:47.31 | Digital_Pioneer | It would appear that all the text after an & in the message is lost. Given the first text in many of my SMSs is AT&T, that's a problem. :P |
| 00:48.01 | Digital_Pioneer | I do. |
| 00:51.15 | Quadduc | Digital_Pioneer: For 2007.2 it's /home/root/.evolution/memos/local/system/journal.ics |
| 00:52.13 | Quadduc | If that's what SHR still uses... |
| 00:52.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Quadduc: I don't have Evolution. |
| 00:52.56 | Quadduc | The SMS app uses that location still. |
| 00:53.15 | Digital_Pioneer | Weird. I don't have that dir. |
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| 00:59.21 | RJ812 | anybody here?, plz help me :( |
| 01:00.01 | RJ812 | GSM no signal |
| 01:00.37 | RJ812 | i using distro 2008.12 |
| 01:01.01 | Digital_Pioneer | RJ812: Is there a signal where you are? ;) |
| 01:01.06 | RJ812 | VietNam |
| 01:01.58 | RJ812 | have signal on there |
| 01:02.18 | jhass840 | hey, does anyone know how to make the the freerunner connect to a wireless network? |
| 01:02.42 | RJ812 | there is good signal on Nokia phone |
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| 01:10.53 | RJ812 | who can help me, plz |
| 01:11.13 | jhass840 | I wish I could, but I don't even have a SIM card yet |
| 01:16.04 | RJ812 | :( |
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| 01:16.53 | jhass840 | look at the bright side, after sitting here for about 12 hours now, my phone now magically connected to my home wireless network. |
| 01:20.31 | RJ812 | there is good GSM signal on NOkia and Iphone, but on FR there isnt |
| 01:21.36 | jhass840 | I wish I knew what to tell you other than freerunner is still a work in progress, but I suppose you know that |
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| 01:25.42 | StealthCP | how long does flashing a root image normally take? |
| 01:26.55 | [Rui] | for me it takes about 20min total |
| 01:27.27 | StealthCP | okey dokey, thanks |
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| 01:59.20 | billk | jhass840: in a terminal run logread. Look for CSQ lines - the first value is 0-31 for signal strength, if 99 its unknown (not registered?) |
| 02:01.10 | billk | jhass840: sorry, that should have been to RJ812 |
| 02:01.25 | jhass840 | billk: ok okay |
| 02:01.57 | billk | RJ812: are you using the illume theme? - I find the GSM icon is flakey in that theme |
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| 02:21.35 | kW | Hello, does anybody know how to build Om2008.12 from scratch? |
| 02:23.12 | SpeedEvil | make someoneelse |
| 02:23.33 | SpeedEvil | I'd check the wiki for MokoMakefile |
| 02:23.54 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea if it's appropriate, but with luck, if it's not, there will be a link |
| 02:25.01 | kW | SpeedEvil: the problem is that there are too many howtos out there to build an openmoko image, none being a "definite" source, and all sources I tried failed at some point |
| 02:25.24 | kW | the last failure I got is: "| opkg_cmd.c:154: error: call to function 'free_error_list' without a real prototype" |
| 02:25.54 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 02:26.08 | SpeedEvil | how long into the process? |
| 02:26.09 | kW | This error is documented in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2155 , but the last message on the ticket is 3 weeks old, presumably because the bug is fixed |
| 02:26.40 | kW | taks 561 |
| 02:26.52 | kW | so apparently, I have the wrong (old) tree |
| 02:27.10 | kW | but I do not know how to switch to a new|development|Om2008.12 tree |
| 02:30.07 | kW | and http://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile also seems to be down, so I cannot reinitate a clean build process |
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| 04:31.18 | kd8ikt | hm |
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| 05:17.11 | Digital_Pioneer | From the wiki, it almost sounds like it's saying there is no benefit to having two tri-axis accelerometers... What am I missing? If there's no benefit, why have two? |
| 05:33.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Just read the Accelerometer Fundamentals page on the wiki, and while I didn't understand about half of it, I leave it with two feelings: having two accelerometers is totally useless, and the accelerometers in the FR are not specific enough to be useful for anything except detecting large, sharp movements. Someone tell me I misread it... |
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| 05:51.02 | jonsmith1982 | you should experiment with the output of events 2 'n' 3 |
| 05:51.53 | rooly | sighs |
| 05:52.01 | rooly | no luck on my brand new mobo |
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| 06:04.41 | Digital_Pioneer | jonsmith1982: I'd love to start writing accelerometer-aware programs, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to use the data they provide. :P |
| 06:10.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Now this is weird... I fixed (don't ask me how, but it's gone) the bug that makes accelerometers only report when they aren't moving for event2, but somehow completely killed event3 (it no longer reports anything, ever) |
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| 06:16.03 | Digital_Pioneer | event3 is back online (magically?) and fully functional... Both accelerometers now working correctly. |
| 06:19.47 | Biovore | probably a chrismas merrical of some sort ? |
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| 06:33.53 | IguanaNed | Hello all |
| 06:36.37 | IguanaNed | Just curious what distribution people are using on FR... just installed android and was a bit dissapointed |
| 06:40.27 | rooly | is sticking to the good ol' stable and reliable qtopia 4.3.2 guns |
| 06:41.48 | IguanaNed | rooly.. how is wifi on qtopia? |
| 06:42.06 | rooly | hmm |
| 06:42.19 | h4v | SHR here |
| 06:42.29 | rooly | requires the forcing of nameservers |
| 06:42.38 | rooly | but it works |
| 06:42.52 | rooly | however, qt4.3.2 seems to crash any program attempting a dns lookup |
| 06:42.57 | rooly | not that i need internet all that much |
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| 08:02.43 | Psi | hm.. to give my gta01 networking i set my linux box to bridge usb0 and eth0 and create br0. It all works fine but if i unplug and replug the usb it stops working |
| 08:03.08 | Psi | any ideas how i could fix that, so i can just plug the neo usb in and the networking will work |
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| 08:14.46 | dns53 | well i run a shell script to get it working every time, you could mess with udev if you want |
| 08:15.14 | Psi | yeah, i have to type brctl addif br0 usb0 |
| 08:15.31 | Psi | usb0 gets removed from the bridge when ya unplug the usb |
| 08:22.30 | f3ew | I setup a NAT for the Freerunner |
| 08:22.48 | Psi | yeah, i thought of that but it seems quite complicated |
| 08:22.58 | f3ew | waits for the Nokia battery to charge so he can figure out why the original FR battery didn't change on 2008.12 |
| 08:23.09 | f3ew | It's not complicated |
| 08:23.10 | Psi | bridging the neo onto your network directly seems easier |
| 08:23.54 | f3ew | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1; iptables -t nat -s 192.168.0.202 -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE; |
| 08:24.06 | f3ew | Then plug usb in and ifconfig usb0 up |
| 08:24.26 | f3ew | but still same pain |
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| 08:42.49 | Psi | how well does wifi wpa work in qtextended on gta02? I only have a gta01 so have no idea |
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| 08:56.32 | dns53 | wpa should work fine |
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| 09:03.56 | bipak_ | hi |
| 09:04.27 | bipak_ | any easy way to invoke AT%SLEEP=2 on 2008.12? |
| 09:05.28 | Psi | do i need to flash to a newer uboot to boot a gta01 from sd? |
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| 09:13.02 | cga | hi all, anyone installed dfu-util on a fedora 10 64 bit? |
| 09:13.56 | cga | i'd like to know which 32 libs need to be installed |
| 09:14.34 | admiral0 | you need to compile it for 64 bit |
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| 09:14.51 | Psi | anyone able to help me, im think i need to flash to a newer gta01 uboot but i dont have a debug board so i need to be sure its a working copy |
| 09:14.57 | Psi | im=i |
| 09:15.08 | admiral0 | Psi:why? |
| 09:15.17 | Psi | i want to boot from the SDcard |
| 09:16.04 | admiral0 | well you don't need to flash NOR |
| 09:16.10 | Psi | gta01 has no NOR |
| 09:16.38 | admiral0 | sorry i was thinking freerunner ^^ |
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| 09:17.30 | Psi | the only uboot images i can find are here http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ |
| 09:17.50 | Psi | but testing and unstable arent the words i want to see when looking for a uboot copy |
| 09:18.59 | admiral0 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_1973#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device |
| 09:19.27 | Psi | yeah, it says get uboot from here, but its a 404 |
| 09:20.21 | admiral0 | take it from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/ ;) |
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| 09:21.13 | admiral0 | i don't know which of the two files.. |
| 09:21.31 | Psi | its the uboot one, the lowlevel is something else |
| 09:21.39 | PBeck | hi |
| 09:21.53 | dns53 | hey |
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| 09:27.12 | Mononoke | gah tangogps segfaults on my gconf file and I have no clue why |
| 09:27.20 | Mononoke | seems like problem with str len |
| 09:31.03 | goxboxlive | Anyone know if the android gta02 image is compatible with gta01? |
| 09:31.18 | Psi | i think you have to do some trickery |
| 09:31.25 | bipak_ | anyone with 2008.12 in here? |
| 09:31.32 | Psi | cos the kernel is to big |
| 09:32.06 | Psi | from memory gta01 is set for no bigger than 2MB kernel and the android one is larger than that |
| 09:33.57 | Psi | well, i just flashed the uboot on my gta01 |
| 09:34.08 | Psi | now, to see if its bricked or not |
| 09:35.08 | Psi | yay, it turned on :) |
| 09:35.38 | Psi | still doesnt boot from sd tho, guess ive not set the sd card up correctly |
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| 09:39.55 | f3ew | bipak_ I had it |
| 09:40.37 | f3ew | I still have it on the device, but it needs power and I don't have power to it right now |
| 09:40.37 | bipak_ | f3ew: i have problems to get the qwerty button and the wrench in the menu .. |
| 09:40.46 | f3ew | I do too |
| 09:41.01 | bipak_ | :\ |
| 09:41.03 | f3ew | didn't manage to solve that issue |
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| 09:41.15 | bipak_ | very annoying |
| 09:41.36 | bipak_ | any idea where to look? |
| 09:43.23 | bipak_ | haven't found something on the mailings list.. |
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| 09:44.24 | goxboxlive | Psi: ok i c, thx |
| 09:45.19 | Psi | np |
| 09:46.15 | f3ew | bipak_ no idea |
| 09:46.44 | bipak_ | what are they doing :\ |
| 09:48.08 | f3ew | NFC |
| 09:52.20 | cga | mmmmm i get an error with svn trying to downaload dfu-util as shown on the wiki. error 400 bad request. any idea? |
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| 10:07.32 | Psi | hm.. i wonder if the reason i cant get it to boot from sd is that uboot is expecting /boot/uImage and the wiki guide says create uImage.bin |
| 10:07.45 | Psi | removes extention and tries again |
| 10:09.32 | Psi | yep, thats the problem |
| 10:09.37 | Psi | corrects wiki |
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| 10:58.36 | edje | hi, does anyone know how to select a font on om2008.12 ? |
| 10:58.53 | edje | i want xmessage to use a large sized font |
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| 11:14.49 | Psi | hmm.. any idea why X doesnt start when i boot off the sdcard? |
| 11:22.58 | dns53 | run fsck on the card |
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| 11:47.46 | bipak_ | huh? no echo fix in 2008.12? |
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| 11:50.16 | sreekanth | Hi all |
| 11:51.12 | sreekanth | What is the current status of Android for Open moko ? |
| 11:51.20 | sreekanth | Is it stable ?? |
| 11:51.37 | sreekanth | Is it fine for application development ? |
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| 11:55.13 | laen | How is it possible that i _suddenly_ experience the Calypso problem, while i never had it before? |
| 11:55.46 | SpeedEvil | Which problem? :/ |
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| 11:56.04 | h4v | Is there a way to have unblanked screen on SHR? |
| 11:56.08 | laen | GSM reregistering every minute SpeedEvil? |
| 11:56.16 | SpeedEvil | AH |
| 11:56.37 | laen | Never had that before and suddenly i get it no matter what distro i put on the moko. |
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| 11:57.30 | bipak_ | laen: that might be interessting for the devs |
| 11:57.48 | laen | Well, i can hook up the phone and let em dev on it if they want :P |
| 11:59.28 | bipak_ | :) |
| 11:59.42 | laen | But i rather like to get rid of this problem i never had before. |
| 12:01.16 | bipak_ | hmm well, until i changed to 2008.12 i had it. now its gone. but you have it.. maybe its some magic |
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| 12:01.35 | jonsmith1982 | is the freerunner supposed to turn its self on (not in suspended state) when an alarm is due? tis a bit of a bug, is it not? |
| 12:01.38 | laen | I know, it's like my Xmas present! Here laen, some Calypso for you! :P |
| 12:01.44 | bipak_ | haha |
| 12:02.48 | dns53 | qtopia does wake up, not sure about the other images |
| 12:03.11 | wondering | Just womdering if anyone has tried or is trying to do something to simplify controlling the maps and/or images, such as tap+hold followed by a (counter)clockwise twist zooming in/out? |
| 12:03.29 | laen | bipak_: do you know if it's an issue solved in the kernel or userspace programs? |
| 12:03.40 | jonsmith1982 | Om.2008.12 boots up for an alarm as well as wakes up. |
| 12:03.54 | bipak_ | laen: you need to send an at command AT%SLEEP=2 to the calipso after startup |
| 12:04.19 | dns53 | wondering it should be easy but i don't think anyone has done anything like that yet |
| 12:04.51 | laen | Sounds like userspace. |
| 12:04.52 | bipak_ | yes |
| 12:05.29 | wondering | hmmm, honestly I don't even have one yet, I was thinking about contributing something if I ended up buying a freerunner, they DO have accellerometer's yes? |
| 12:06.55 | laen | Oh well i'm glad it's solvable. The thing was draining my batt. |
| 12:07.58 | henk | wondering: yes |
| 12:08.02 | bipak_ | whcih dist do you have laen |
| 12:08.19 | wondering | Thank you henk and dns53 |
| 12:08.21 | laen | Qtextended 4.2 which isn't showing it but beeing drained crazily fast, and Debian. |
| 12:08.32 | bipak_ | ah ok |
| 12:09.10 | bipak_ | i think on qtopia you need to play with gsmmuxd to be able to send commands to the chip |
| 12:09.31 | laen | Nah i'm hoping to get rid of everything besides Debian. |
| 12:09.50 | bipak_ | how usefull is debian right now on the phone? |
| 12:09.53 | laen | I'm not so hot for custom distro's. |
| 12:10.00 | bipak_ | are there phoneapps etc.? |
| 12:10.02 | laen | Well, if you can live with Zhone it's okay :P |
| 12:10.07 | bipak_ | hehe |
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| 12:10.23 | laen | But besides Zhone, which isn't working.. there's not much. lindi- is developing Kapula and thats becoming quite sexy :) |
| 12:10.36 | laen | Zhone's not working here now btw, normally it works. |
| 12:10.41 | bipak_ | aha cool |
| 12:10.54 | dns53 | i think someone was going to port the shr illume and phone apps to debian |
| 12:11.03 | laen | Oo niiiice! |
| 12:11.21 | bipak_ | yeah taht would be cool :) |
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| 12:34.34 | Mononoke | anyone having googlemaps on tangogps? |
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| 12:35.28 | Mononoke | I have http://khm3.google.com/kh?v=34&hl=en&x=%d&y=%d&z=%d&s=Galileo with inverted zoom, if I got it right it means that zoom is last %d |
| 12:36.36 | Mononoke | but as well it seems like it was fully inverted because when I have zoom 6 it has zoom 11 and I have no clue how to get it to use last %d and normal zoom. |
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| 12:39.05 | Mononoke | should I just change it to http://khm3.google.com/kh?v=34&hl=en&z=%d&x=%d&y=%d&s=Galileo ? :) |
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| 12:53.33 | tifereth | wasnt there a guide how to open up the complete freerunner cover? |
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| 13:03.18 | sebbs | could someone tell me what applications are avalible for SHR? im trying to figure out if stuff like mutt works |
| 13:05.00 | raph_ael | there's a shell, it's enlightenment, it should be usable |
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| 13:07.33 | sebbs | raph_ael: is there a package manager? |
| 13:07.48 | dns53 | opkg |
| 13:08.37 | dns53 | tifereth look on the wiki for the getting started guide |
| 13:08.44 | tifereth | already got it |
| 13:08.59 | tifereth | ... but theres only a guide for opening the back cover |
| 13:09.10 | tifereth | but the 1973 guide is nearly the same |
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| 13:13.58 | leia_20 | hello! |
| 13:14.12 | sebbs | hi leia_20 |
| 13:14.13 | leia_20 | alguien habla español? |
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| 13:14.20 | sebbs | si un pocito |
| 13:14.43 | leia_20 | me han regalado un neo free runner :) |
| 13:14.54 | leia_20 | quiero instalarle debian, pero no lo consigo |
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| 13:15.11 | leia_20 | me podeis ayudar? |
| 13:15.28 | sebbs | ¿has leÃdo el tutorial? |
| 13:15.31 | leia_20 | si |
| 13:15.40 | leia_20 | me bajo el install.sh |
| 13:15.44 | sebbs | ¿cuál es el problema? |
| 13:15.49 | leia_20 | y hago un install.sh all |
| 13:15.56 | leia_20 | y no me hace las particiones |
| 13:16.44 | leia_20 | :( |
| 13:16.46 | sebbs | ¿qué hace el install.sh decir? |
| 13:17.05 | leia_20 | E: Partitioning has failed, partitions have not been created |
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| 13:17.30 | sebbs | lol lo siento por mi mal español, sólo he vivido aquà durante un año |
| 13:17.36 | sebbs | hmm :( |
| 13:17.45 | Mortak | hi all |
| 13:17.47 | leia_20 | we can try in english if you want |
| 13:18.02 | sebbs | puh good :) |
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| 13:18.07 | sebbs | i have not seen that error before |
| 13:18.09 | GNUtoo | ok mabe the sd-card has problems: try to lower clock of sd-controller |
| 13:18.23 | leia_20 | how? |
| 13:18.50 | GNUtoo | it's a kernel parameter...i'm looking for it now |
| 13:18.58 | leia_20 | thank's! |
| 13:20.34 | sebbs | leia_20: otherwise you could try to partition it yourself, and then skip that part of the installation |
| 13:21.02 | GNUtoo | echo 10000000 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk or: |
| 13:21.58 | leia_20 | -sh: cannot create /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk: nonexistent directory |
| 13:22.05 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 13:23.00 | leia_20 | :( |
| 13:23.36 | GNUtoo | glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 as kernel parameter(you need to modify uboot's parameters) |
| 13:24.04 | leia_20 | ... how? |
| 13:24.33 | GNUtoo | a good idea is to partebin dmesg so i can verify that it's realy the problem because doing that is complicated |
| 13:24.47 | leia_20 | :'( |
| 13:25.15 | GNUtoo | you should have things like glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 |
| 13:25.26 | leia_20 | ajam |
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| 13:26.38 | GNUtoo | i'll look for the right serial console emulator |
| 13:26.55 | GNUtoo | do you have picocom? |
| 13:27.08 | leia_20 | i thought that install debian it would be easier :( may i have try with openmoko, what's are the correct repos? |
| 13:28.05 | GNUtoo | leia_20, the correct repos for what? |
| 13:28.34 | leia_20 | i have change the repos of opkg and make a opkg upgrade, then crash |
| 13:28.42 | leia_20 | or "half crash" |
| 13:28.45 | GNUtoo | leia_20, which distro? |
| 13:28.52 | GNUtoo | what error message? |
| 13:28.55 | leia_20 | 2008.8 |
| 13:29.00 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 13:29.10 | GNUtoo | ah ok |
| 13:29.17 | leia_20 | don't error only a looooong time to boot |
| 13:29.42 | GNUtoo | leia_20, ok and what repos did you put? |
| 13:30.03 | leia_20 | i change 2007.2 (i think) with 2008.8 |
| 13:30.05 | leia_20 | :) |
| 13:30.24 | GNUtoo | leia_20, so it's simple...just reflash with 2008.12 |
| 13:30.37 | leia_20 | how i reflash? |
| 13:30.46 | GNUtoo | leia_20, if i remember there are good GUI for reflashing |
| 13:30.58 | GNUtoo | but i don't remember their names...i'll look |
| 13:30.59 | Mortak | "neotool" |
| 13:31.02 | Mortak | ^^ |
| 13:31.03 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 13:31.17 | leia_20 | how i do a reflash with 2008.12? |
| 13:31.24 | Mortak | it seems to be the only tool which can backup my fr |
| 13:32.00 | GNUtoo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool |
| 13:32.14 | leia_20 | ok! iwill try, back in few minuts |
| 13:32.31 | Mortak | leia_20: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 13:32.47 | GNUtoo | leia_20, i advise against using dfu-util directly if you are not familiar with the command line because: |
| 13:33.32 | GNUtoo | dfu is a standard...and you could have bad luck and have more than one dfu-device |
| 13:33.49 | GNUtoo | so better use a frontend that recognise the neo |
| 13:34.45 | GNUtoo | by the way debian is great,runs on sd-card but is not very optimized for the freerunner |
| 13:35.15 | henk | GNUtoo: you might want to try hackable:1. based on debian but customized for the FR |
| 13:35.39 | GNUtoo | henk, wow for instance does mplayer use tremor and mad? |
| 13:36.39 | henk | GNUtoo: afaik they are just using the standard debian repository, but the distribution delivers with some sensible default config... |
| 13:36.47 | sebbs | could someone direct me to documentation for creating opkg packages? |
| 13:36.52 | henk | GNUtoo: no optimized packages afaik |
| 13:37.12 | GNUtoo | sebbs, use the Makefile of your distribution or openembedded |
| 13:37.13 | henk | sebbs: wiki... |
| 13:37.20 | GNUtoo | henk, ok |
| 13:37.23 | henk | sebbs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opkg |
| 13:38.06 | sebbs | henk: ah "You can learn how to create own Opkg packages on the Ipkg site." brilliant, cheers |
| 13:38.21 | Mortak | eek, the shr default ringtone sucks :) |
| 13:38.49 | sebbs | and if i would like to commit packages for the community, where should i put them? |
| 13:39.50 | henk | sebbs: i'd put them on opkg.org, link them on the Software page in the wiki and set up a repository or ask someone running an repository to add my package. |
| 13:40.56 | sebbs | are the ipkg-build tools avalible on the phone? (which distro has them?) |
| 13:41.23 | sebbs | i figured i would try to get mutt working |
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| 13:41.56 | sebbs | but i guess it will require ssl and such too, imap stuff. might be too much |
| 13:41.59 | laen | Mutt, the email client that doesn't suck less. |
| 13:42.28 | sebbs | laen: ^^ |
| 13:42.51 | laen | Been using it for quite a while now, and still use it, though i wonder why. |
| 13:43.00 | sebbs | laen: why not? |
| 13:43.34 | laen | Cause it's unstable, crashy, configuration is a mess setup, and so on. |
| 13:43.40 | sebbs | ? |
| 13:43.48 | sebbs | which version are you running? |
| 13:43.57 | laen | lemme see |
| 13:44.07 | sebbs | configuration is not that bad, im a sys admin, have you ever seen the squid config file? |
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| 13:44.26 | laen | Mutt 1.5.16 (2007-06-09) |
| 13:44.42 | laen | sebbs: Nope. |
| 13:45.17 | sebbs | iirc, 1.4.2.3 is stable |
| 13:45.59 | sebbs | laen: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/examples/squid.conf |
| 13:46.03 | laen | If Mutt was that good, why are you advised to install other programs along it to get your mail? If the config file was good, why can you use so many different ways of writing a setting? And why isn't there proper multi-account available (tried 6 IMAP accounts yet?). |
| 13:46.53 | laen | Sysadmin here too btw. |
| 13:47.22 | lindi- | migrated from mutt to gnus a few months ago |
| 13:47.31 | henk | laen: i use two imap accounts... |
| 13:47.31 | sebbs | gnus? |
| 13:47.35 | sebbs | me too |
| 13:47.36 | laen | Surely gonna try that now lindi- :) |
| 13:47.38 | henk | laen: s/two/more than one/ |
| 13:48.28 | laen | henk: well it's fine if your IMAP servers are allways okay. But if one goes down, you gotta kill -9 mutt cause when it gets a faulty connect, your whole mutt app hangs. |
| 13:48.43 | henk | laen: oh... that sucks. |
| 13:49.35 | sebbs | laen: i can understand that being a problem, ive never had that happend though, you should file a bug report. |
| 13:49.35 | laen | Anyway, time to boot the new kernel, brb :) |
| 13:49.39 | sebbs | :) |
| 13:50.16 | sebbs | lindi-: what is gnus? seems to be a news reader |
| 13:50.59 | lindi- | sebbs: it reads email too |
| 13:51.24 | sebbs | oh cool, ive been looking for a proper rss client for console |
| 13:51.37 | sebbs | ah emacs :S |
| 13:53.19 | sebbs | but wow it looks great though |
| 13:53.35 | sebbs | lindi-: does it splitscreen like this in console? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Gnus-reading-news.png |
| 13:54.17 | lindi- | sebbs: those are normal emacs buffers. they have split screen'd since at least '86 |
| 13:54.44 | sebbs | but i mean does it look like that on console? |
| 13:54.50 | sebbs | with the threading and such |
| 13:54.58 | lindi- | more or less |
| 13:55.09 | sebbs | almost makes me wanna learn emacs :/ |
| 13:55.21 | sebbs | and ive been using vi since ... |
| 13:55.57 | lindi- | sebbs: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/gnus1.png |
| 13:56.10 | lindi- | but i'm sure you can customize it to look totally different :) |
| 13:56.46 | sebbs | ah i see now, you call it from within emacs, its not a seperate application |
| 13:57.17 | sebbs | oh :) nice screenshot |
| 13:57.36 | sebbs | it will take me atleast 10 years to learn emacs lol |
| 13:57.41 | lindi- | sebbs: i usually launch it with 'emacs -f gnus' |
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| 13:57.58 | lindi- | but you can emacs RET M-x gnus RET too |
| 13:59.51 | sebbs | what is RET |
| 13:59.59 | lindi- | sebbs: \n |
| 14:00.16 | lindi- | sebbs: what the ENTER or RETURN key usually sends |
| 14:00.19 | sebbs | oh |
| 14:00.50 | lindi- | sebbs: emacs calls it RET |
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| 14:01.07 | sebbs | ok |
| 14:01.16 | lindi- | C-h c RET prints "RET runs the command newline" |
| 14:01.21 | sebbs | is emacs around for opkg? |
| 14:01.53 | lindi- | so the key RET is bound to function "newline". With C-h f newline RET you see "newline is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple'." |
| 14:02.30 | lindi- | sebbs: and when you move over the text `simple' and hit RET it will open a buffer that shows the source code of the function |
| 14:02.34 | lindi- | sebbs: this is why i like emacs :) |
| 14:02.45 | sebbs | oh |
| 14:02.54 | sebbs | so you can link stuff |
| 14:02.57 | lindi- | and then i can modify the function and re-evaluate it |
| 14:03.10 | sebbs | almost like a wiki |
| 14:03.20 | sebbs | does |
| 14:03.27 | sebbs | i think i understand. |
| 14:03.39 | ingi | Q: How do I write a root-fs.jffs file onto på uSD card ? I've read the wiki but I dont seem to get it, can anyone please clarify. |
| 14:03.41 | lindi- | sebbs: bit like what you see on info pages |
| 14:03.51 | lindi- | sebbs: (man pages are inferior since they don't support hyperlinks :P) |
| 14:03.59 | MMlosh | ingi: noooo. use .tar file |
| 14:04.16 | lindi- | ingi: jffs2 filesystem works only on top of MTD devices |
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| 14:04.53 | ingi | Right now I have the uSD card in the SD-adapter and almost mounted on my Linux (64-bit Ubuntu/8.10). |
| 14:05.29 | ingi | How do I a) write the .jffs to the uSD card, b) convert the .jffs to -> tar and write it onto the uSD card ? |
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| 14:05.59 | MMlosh | ingi: no, download root-fs.tar.gz insted of .jffs |
| 14:06.27 | ingi | I'm using a locally built root-fs.jffs. |
| 14:06.43 | sebbs | lindi-: i will add emacs to my todo list and look into it someday when i have time. until then i will keep my little mutt i think. but the list for pro-emacs is getting bigger all the time. but i feel emacs is almost a OS not a editor |
| 14:06.56 | MMlosh | does not know then... |
| 14:07.01 | lindi- | sebbs: the learning curve is bit sharp in the beginning |
| 14:07.28 | sebbs | lindi-: yea, it would take atleast a weekend to read through all the docs i would think to get started |
| 14:07.34 | ingi | I've also built the the 2.6.27-rc4 kernel which I've managed to put onto a /ext2-partition (in /boot/), that requires the root-fs to be on the uSD card as well on another partition and thats where I'm stuck. |
| 14:07.39 | lindi- | sebbs: http://www.finseth.com/craft/ might be good read |
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| 14:08.27 | MMlosh | ingi: Qi? |
| 14:08.33 | sebbs | lindi-: thank you |
| 14:08.54 | ingi | Yes, I downloaded the qi and flashed the 'u-boot' in NAND... |
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| 14:09.12 | MMlosh | has done that 15 minutes ago... |
| 14:09.13 | ingi | U-Boot in NAND is (temporarily) gone :-) |
| 14:09.50 | ingi | You need Qi when booting the 2.6.27x kernel (bigger than 2.0 Mb)... |
| 14:10.08 | sebbs | lindi-: im not really a coder, i mostly edit configfiles, so emacs is kinda overkill, i only do scripting, and a little python when i need it. |
| 14:10.51 | MMlosh | ingi: Andy has special kernel in Qi download ?directory / ?server |
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| 14:11.07 | Defiant- | sebbs: I hope you tried vim? |
| 14:11.48 | MMlosh | prefers to boot from NAND, so he'll probably use older "FAT+etx2" method if possible.... |
| 14:12.30 | MMlosh | ingi: Any ideas, where shall I suggest using AUX button to switch between NAND and uSD? |
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| 14:14.13 | ingi | MMlosh: No idea, I use the AUX to choose whether to boot from NOR or NAND... Not holding the AUX before PWR button gives me Qi. |
| 14:14.45 | ingi | MMlosh: but I admit that I'm still a bit lost ... |
| 14:15.10 | MMlosh | meant to use/not use AUX button after power button |
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| 14:15.59 | MMlosh | (This combination is used to get into NAND U-Boot menu, but Qi can't do that.... AUX after POWER "hotkey" is unused) |
| 14:16.51 | raph_ael | sebbs: squid is horrible, but i've never been courageous enough to finish a mutt conf file |
| 14:17.52 | sebbs | Defiant-: acctually nowadays vi is now linked to vim on my laptop |
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| 14:18.42 | sebbs | raph_ael: squid is acctually great, there are muttrc builder iirc, i did it onces and forgot about it, it does everything i need, if i need more i just add a line or modify another. |
| 14:18.54 | Defiant- | sebbs: If you have some freetime you should the features vim has |
| 14:21.34 | sebbs | right now i am trying to figure out which distro to invest my time into. i need a phone that works, and i would like to have my basic set of applciations that i use too. |
| 14:23.14 | MMlosh | ingi: holding only POWER will use NAND |
| 14:23.14 | MMlosh | holding AUX after POWER will use uSD.. (This was used for NAND U-Boot menu... Qi has no menu... this "hotkey" is unused.... At least I think so...;) |
| 14:23.14 | MMlosh | Clear? |
| 14:25.16 | ingi | MMlosh: Clear yes :-) |
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| 14:25.44 | ingi | MMlosh: but I'm still struggling to get the 'root-fs' onto the uSD card... |
| 14:26.15 | MMlosh | I'm unable to build my own .jffs2 at all.... |
| 14:27.51 | ingi | MMlost: I'm building the 'fso-testing' stuff. Sometimes, after an 'make update' it doesn't build, but sometimes it does. I guess that's why they call it 'testing'... |
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| 14:45.12 | ingi | MMlosh: Ok, I've managed to write my .jffs2 onto the uSD card using the QT-instructions on the wiki from here (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner). That included loading some mtd*-modules, using dd and tar to copy stuff. Magical... |
| 14:48.38 | lindi- | it is not magic :) |
| 14:49.01 | MMlosh | but it looks like... |
| 14:49.56 | MMlosh | 2 wiki pages (screen resolution 1024x768) about something like "just mount it and copy files" are something like magic |
| 14:51.01 | ingi | David Copperfield makes things less magical than the description on the wiki page... |
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| 14:52.31 | sebbs | is there a distro that uses opkg and apt ? |
| 14:52.49 | sebbs | rather allowes the use of both (has both compiled) |
| 14:52.49 | leia_20 | :( im trying to reflash my neo, i have downloaded the jffs kernel ... and the dfu-util (in windows xp sorry) all in f:\om\ , I boot my neo in NOR menu, plug the usb and ejecute: dfu-util.exe -a kernel -R -D f:\om |
| 14:53.14 | sebbs | f:? |
| 14:53.15 | sebbs | oh windows |
| 14:54.19 | ingi | leia_20: you need to specifiy the 'uImage...*.bin' filename i.e. 'f:\om\uImage-om-gta02.bin' |
| 14:54.45 | leia_20 | but it say don't have permission |
| 14:54.45 | leia_20 | ???? |
| 14:54.45 | leia_20 | f:\om: Permission denied |
| 14:54.46 | leia_20 | appears other messages that, aparently works |
| 14:54.52 | leia_20 | please can someone guide me to flash my neo to 2008.12 from a winXP? |
| 14:54.58 | leia_20 | yep |
| 14:55.00 | leia_20 | ... sorry |
| 14:55.04 | leia_20 | ... oops |
| 14:55.06 | leia_20 | :) |
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| 14:55.23 | leia_20 | works!! |
| 14:56.36 | sebbs | great leia_20 ^^ |
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| 15:05.01 | jonsmith1982 | how can i get kmail to thread the mailing list properly? |
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| 15:07.27 | sebbs | jonsmith1982: think you should direct your question to #kde |
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| 15:08.53 | MMlosh | sebbs: There is no component "Qi" on the Trac.. Is that a defect? Or do you know who shall I ask? |
| 15:10.12 | Dave | leia_20, did you get it to work? |
| 15:10.21 | leia_20 | yep |
| 15:10.29 | leia_20 | flashing the filesistem |
| 15:10.38 | leia_20 | veeeeeery slow |
| 15:11.07 | sebbs | MMlosh: what is "qi"? |
| 15:11.24 | sebbs | other then the life force of the world according to eastern philosophy |
| 15:11.27 | MMlosh | bootloader.. faster alternative to U-Boot without menu |
| 15:11.34 | sebbs | its named qi? |
| 15:11.42 | Dave | Yep |
| 15:11.49 | MMlosh | not qi.. "Qi" (: |
| 15:11.52 | Dave | that's chi :P |
| 15:12.03 | sebbs | Dave: depends on what languge you are speaking. |
| 15:12.07 | sebbs | chi is chinese |
| 15:12.09 | sebbs | iirc |
| 15:12.11 | Dave | right |
| 15:12.27 | Dave | in any case, it's an alternative bootloader to uboot ;p |
| 15:12.28 | sebbs | anyway to awnser your question MMlosh i dont know where you would find it. |
| 15:12.31 | Mortak | hoes anyone know how to re-request pidgin icq contacts? |
| 15:12.35 | sebbs | ive only used uboot |
| 15:12.46 | Mortak | "does" |
| 15:12.51 | sebbs | Mortak: #pidgin |
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| 15:13.17 | MMlosh | Mortak: delete ~/.purple/blist.xml? |
| 15:13.26 | Mortak | sebbs: :) |
| 15:13.28 | MMlosh | but #pidgin will be better... |
| 15:13.47 | Mortak | thx, ill ask them :) |
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| 15:24.06 | kW | Hello, how can I compile Om2008.12 myself? |
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| 15:36.25 | sebbs | anyone running gentoo on their openmoko? |
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| 15:38.05 | ingi | kW: you start by reading the wiki |
| 15:39.18 | kW | ingi: Well, I've doing this for days, and I'm lost in a forest of outdated information |
| 15:39.56 | ingi | kW: so I'm I, are you using the MokoMakefile ? |
| 15:40.12 | kW | ingi: I've successfully built an "openmoko-devel-image" |
| 15:40.21 | kW | yes |
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| 15:40.37 | kW | however, what I've built seems to be outdated as well |
| 15:40.44 | ingi | kW: I think the 2008.12 is the stable one... |
| 15:40.58 | ingi | i.e. openmoko-stable-image... |
| 15:41.30 | ingi | ingi: I'm building the FSO so I'm not so updated on the Om2008.n... |
| 15:41.43 | kW | ingi: yes, but when I do "git log | head -n 3" within the "openembedded/" directory, I get |
| 15:41.50 | kW | commit ad2420b30675df53e525ca8c835206c1449018f2 |
| 15:41.51 | kW | Author: Holger Freyther <ich@tamarin.(none)> |
| 15:41.53 | kW | Date: Wed Nov 12 04:24:05 2008 +0100 |
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| 15:43.12 | kW | so my tree|branch is obviously older than Om2008.12 |
| 15:44.13 | ingi | kW: maybe you have to do like 'git checkout origin/stable' to get the latest stable commits..., I dont know. |
| 15:45.11 | ingi | kW: this is what I get: |
| 15:45.11 | ingi | ingi@cosmos:~/moko/openembedded$ git log | head -n 3 |
| 15:45.12 | ingi | commit 4ba3f2b8fbe18eca0816ae69c840536e91e7b1a4 |
| 15:45.12 | ingi | Author: Koen Kooi <koen@openembedded.org> |
| 15:45.12 | ingi | Date: Wed Dec 24 12:34:58 2008 +0100 |
| 15:45.31 | kW | that looks good :-) |
| 15:46.07 | kW | but you are not on the branch "org.openmoko.asu.stable" I suppose? |
| 15:46.29 | ingi | kW: I'm using the '$make update' command, underneath is the 'git'-commands to get the latest/greatest stuff. |
| 15:52.35 | ingi | kW: I cant figure out what git-repository is being used, the Makefiles are so _generic_ that nothing is explicitly stated... |
| 15:52.42 | kW | hehe |
| 15:53.14 | kW | I think I'm on "historic/org.openmoko.asu.stable" instead of "org.openmoko.asu.stable" |
| 15:53.46 | kW | However, my MokoMakefile calls it "origin/org.openmoko.asu.stable" instead of "historic/org.openmoko.asu.stable" |
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| 15:54.11 | ingi | kW: I'm not able to laugh at it anymore..., if I would the guys with the white shirt would come to get me |
| 15:54.49 | ingi | kW: Yes, 'Wed Nov 12 04:24:05 2008 +0100' is ages ago... |
| 15:55.36 | elserpiente | hi |
| 15:56.03 | kW | For me, it looks like the MokoMakefile itself is outdated |
| 15:56.35 | ingi | kW: should you not do like '$ make update-makefile' or something ? |
| 15:57.18 | kW | Well, yes, but the resulting makefile is the same (apparently outdate) one |
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| 15:57.52 | kW | for example, I can read "git checkout -b ${OM_GIT_BRANCH} --track origin/${OM_GIT_BRANCH}" in the Makefile (for target "setup-openembedded") |
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| 16:01.41 | kW | I've uncommented "OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev" in the Makefile now, now I'm on the developer branch |
| 16:02.39 | ingi | kW: And still you cant get any updates newer than nov 12th ? |
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| 16:02.54 | ingi | kW: have you asked in '#openmoko-cdevel' ? |
| 16:03.14 | ingi | kW: I'f _they_ dont know, we're in the dark... |
| 16:03.19 | mwester | If you want to build 2008.12, then you need to post to the devel mailing list to get the latest information on what branches to use -- and you may also need to get info for other variables as well, perhaps. |
| 16:03.40 | mwester | Openmoko has been busy merging stuff back into openemebedded but it's not done or buildable. |
| 16:04.16 | kW | ingi: no, now I have "Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:04:30 +0000" as the last commit :-) |
| 16:04.25 | mwester | The Makefile cannot keep up with what openmoko does, because openmoko does not use the makefile -- they are vehemently opposed to the use of anything except the (arcane) config files and direct use of bitbake. |
| 16:05.09 | mwester | So to find the correct configuration (branch and repo to use) you *MUST* contact openmoko, and the -devel mailing list is your only hope for that information. |
| 16:05.09 | kW | mwester: I see, so the MokoMakefile is just an idea of someone else who cannot keep up with tracking the required changes? |
| 16:06.04 | mwester | MokoMakefile is a community contribution, it has been hampered by the fact that openmoko does not make any effort whatsoever to keep it up to date, but even worse openmoko makes no effort to communicate any changes they make so the community. |
| 16:06.06 | mwester | IMO |
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| 16:06.51 | mwester | MokoMakefile keeps up with FSO, SHR, and other projects very well, where those developers are not so opposed to the use of a Makefile wrapper around bitbake. |
| 16:08.07 | mwester | Frankly, my opinion is that openmoko, even without the Makefile, is very difficult to duplicate -- there have only been a few cases where I have successfully gotten a build that is the same as an openmoko release. And I know OE quite well. |
| 16:09.07 | ingi | wow ! |
| 16:10.40 | elserpiente | what good place for some custome init script in SHR? |
| 16:11.12 | mwester | What's wrong with /etc/init.d/<scripname> with the appropriate sym link in /etc/rc5.d ? |
| 16:14.07 | elserpiente | thanks man L) |
| 16:15.16 | ingi | mwester: I'm trying to build an uImage with 2.6.2[78]-xxx-kernel using the linux-openmoko-devel.bb, and a matching 'rootfs.jffs2" using the FSO-Makefile. But I'm not able to get a matching 'rootfs.jffs2', do you have any hints for me were to look ? |
| 16:15.38 | mwester | ingi: can't be done. |
| 16:15.38 | ingi | mwester: answering 'No idea' is fine :-) |
| 16:15.51 | ingi | darn it... |
| 16:16.26 | mwester | ingi: There are no openembedded recipes that will build the new kernel at present; you will have to set up your own copy of the Om kernel git repo and build your own kernel. |
| 16:17.06 | mwester | As soon as the newer kernel stabilizes a bit, that should change. |
| 16:17.50 | kW | mwester: "there have only been a few cases where I have successfully gotten a build" in the light of an open source community, that should be fixed... |
| 16:17.52 | mwester | But the last I heard (as of a couple of days ago) was that the linix-openmoko-devel.bb recipe was not building a working kernel; I did not check any further to see why that might be. |
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| 16:18.18 | kW | how else can I start fixing small bugs and implementing small features? |
| 16:18.25 | ingi | Ok thank you :-) |
| 16:18.25 | ingi | I've been building using the 'linux-openmoko-devel.bb' and I get a '-rw-r--r-- 1 ingi ingi 2537784 Dec 26 16:27 uImage-2.6.27-oe3+gitr75e0b08ee55b32b996d491809ce60b63287dadf5-r0-om-gta02.bin' which I flash but I'm unable to boot from (even using Qi and /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin on sd-card (ext2)). |
| 16:18.33 | mwester | kW: Yes!! It has been a constant source of frustration, and it seems that the build peope at Om have not really been too concerned about that. |
| 16:19.20 | mwester | In particular, it has been noted very specifically to Om's management , and on multiple occasions by the MokoMakefile author himself. |
| 16:20.39 | mwester | ingi: As far as I know, the folks successfully using the 2.6.27+ kernel are all building it directly from the Om git repo. You'll also have more direct control over what patches and defconfig gets used that way. |
| 16:21.33 | kW | Well... it looks like Om is threatening their own business model, because they depend on the software which is running on their hardware, else there wouldn't be a mass market like for the iPhone or for the HTC G1 |
| 16:21.34 | mwester | It's really pretty easy -- if you have the Om build you just need to setup the build script in the Om kernel repo to point to the cross-compiler that was built by bitbake. |
| 16:22.15 | mwester | kW: Om is trying to fix that -- right now they are pushing all their changes into the OE repo and essentially they are "undoing" their fork. |
| 16:22.33 | mwester | kW: As soon as that is done, this problem will cease to be. |
| 16:22.40 | kW | I see |
| 16:22.44 | kW | that's fine :-) |
| 16:22.50 | mwester | kW: however, it's a moot point in many ways, as 2008.x is dead anyway. |
| 16:22.59 | kW | mwester: so what is "hot"? |
| 16:23.22 | mwester | According to the official news, FSO is what has Om's support right now. |
| 16:23.42 | mwester | On top of FSO (which is a framework), the SHR distro is the leader right now. |
| 16:24.00 | ingi | Right now I only see the jungle, when I can navigate in the jungle and start to see the trees, things will be easier... |
| 16:24.18 | kW | mwester: is FSO usable to the point that I can initiate and receive calls and SMS messages? |
| 16:24.22 | mwester | But if you want a phone, and only a phone, then it's Qt Extended. And if the Androids get their act together, it'll be Android competing with Qt Extended. |
| 16:24.39 | mwester | kW: FSO/SHR is getting very close. |
| 16:25.19 | kW | mwester: how close? is it currently possible? ;-) |
| 16:25.44 | kW | (I'm using the freerunner as my main phone "in production" in a "eat your own dogfood" sense) |
| 16:26.56 | mwester | kW: phone calls and SMSs work with FSO/SHR, but it is lacking some features (PIM, for example). If you want to use your phone as a daily phone, then 2008.12 or Qt Extended might be your best bet. Just be aware that if you intend to develop for the device, don't spend a lot of time on anything specific to 2008.12 as it will not be continued. |
| 16:28.09 | kW | mwester: that's good news :-) (PIM is not really the problem, because I want to build a new PIM framework anyway) |
| 16:28.29 | leia_20 | hey! i have finish flashing to 2008.12, it boot and now ask me for the sim pin, but ... it only let me write letters, i need numbers!!! how i change the keyboard? |
| 16:28.44 | mwester | :) If you wish to contribute that sort of code, then the FSO/SHR folks might be very interested. |
| 16:28.56 | mwester | leia_20: see topic! |
| 16:29.22 | leia_20 | XD |
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| 16:29.48 | ingi | leia_20: drag your finger from botton and upward (or from top of keyboard and downward) to switch between keyboards... (and yes see topic!) |
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| 16:30.31 | leia_20 | nice, but ... where is the delete? |
| 16:31.10 | ingi | leia_20: move your index-finger from right->left (on the keyboard (and see topic!)); |
| 16:31.18 | leia_20 | jejeje |
| 16:31.25 | leia_20 | thank's! |
| 16:38.32 | mwester | Not too intuitive, but it works... |
| 16:39.35 | leia_20 | ok okok works! now i want to connect the wifi ... but i only see the bluetooth option, where is my wifi? |
| 16:39.56 | elserpiente | guys, how change default locale under X? |
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| 16:46.25 | leia_20 | i don't understand ... how i turn on the wifi? or how i connect from usb? what's the ip? 2008.12 |
| 16:48.06 | feitingen | leia_20: if you just have flashed it, you should reboot it and the ip address should be 192.168.0.202 |
| 16:48.32 | leia_20 | ... don't connect ... |
| 16:49.25 | feitingen | wifi seems to be powered on by default, i just flashed it myself |
| 16:49.40 | feitingen | it will not connect until it was booted and then rebooted |
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| 16:52.22 | feitingen | leia_20: i connect to the phone with ssh |
| 16:53.07 | feitingen | i add a personal user to the phone, sets passwords for root and the user, and opens ssh via wlan |
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| 16:58.10 | leia_20 | ok ok |
| 16:58.15 | leia_20 | i see ... |
| 16:58.19 | leia_20 | umm ... |
| 16:59.16 | elserpiente | guys, how change default locale under X? |
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| 17:06.42 | ingi | kW: have you read this page: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=summary ? |
| 17:08.18 | feitingen | ... and there i managed to break ssh on the openmoko, 2 hours after a reflash |
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| 17:20.42 | elserpiente | hmm..... |
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| 17:33.42 | leia_20 | me again! how i turn off the recomendations when writing? |
| 17:35.28 | leia_20 | and ... how turn off the wifi? |
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| 17:38.56 | leia_20 | the keyboard sucks! |
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| 17:42.38 | leia_20 | ¬¬ i'm trying to install a package from command line, and say me that Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 17:43.00 | leia_20 | why? im root |
| 17:43.34 | feitingen | leia_20: that is a bug with the install thing, it will lock something even when it is killed |
| 17:43.55 | Digital_Pioneer | FR can use SDHC, no problem right? |
| 17:44.01 | leia_20 | O_O |
| 17:44.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:44.31 | leia_20 | ... pff this interface ... pfff |
| 17:44.52 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. Was reading reviews on an 8GB MicroSD SDHC, and the guy said to be sure you can use HC. :P |
| 17:45.05 | leia_20 | how i can write without the recomendations? |
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| 17:45.32 | feitingen | Digital_Pioneer: there may be some problems, i havent tried, but i have heard of problems |
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| 17:46.00 | Digital_Pioneer | (Looks like a good deal, if anyone's interested... 8GB Kingston MicroSD w/ 2 adaptors; $15.50) |
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| 17:46.20 | Digital_Pioneer | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134821 Free shipping too. |
| 17:46.36 | SpeedEvil | about par. |
| 17:46.47 | feitingen | Digital_Pioneer: to the uk? |
| 17:46.52 | doc|work | yeah, not really special |
| 17:47.06 | SpeedEvil | I was looking at flash recently, and pretty much came up with a price of 1.20 gbp ($2?/GB) |
| 17:47.09 | Digital_Pioneer | feitingen: Ehhh, probably not. :P |
| 17:47.26 | SpeedEvil | pretty constant across USB drives, or SD, or microSD |
| 17:47.35 | SpeedEvil | the exception being 16G microSD, which is somewhat more |
| 17:48.21 | SpeedEvil | (I was updating the 'SD' article on wikipedia) |
| 17:48.36 | SpeedEvil | I hadn't realised quite how much SD had taken over. |
| 17:48.41 | leia_20 | guys you really use the 2008.12? i can't do anything. I can't change the sounds theme, there is not keyboard options, can't install packages from command line, I can't turn off wifi ... |
| 17:48.46 | SpeedEvil | It's hard to get other flash memory generally. |
| 17:48.55 | SpeedEvil | memory stick and xd are really struggling. |
| 17:49.31 | ingi | leia_20: Try the SHR instead. |
| 17:49.35 | SpeedEvil | leia_20: I think 2008.12 is very much a wok in protess |
| 17:49.40 | SpeedEvil | work in process |
| 17:49.51 | leia_20 | shr? |
| 17:50.09 | rooly | shur, use shr |
| 17:50.28 | Digital_Pioneer | leia_20: Stable Hybrid Release. I use it, it's pretty decent. |
| 17:50.34 | leia_20 | ok |
| 17:50.35 | admiral0 | leia_20 try shr-unstable. The telephony part worked ffor me, and it's better than the testing |
| 17:50.45 | admiral0 | *for |
| 17:50.55 | leia_20 | ok, thank's ... searching |
| 17:51.11 | ingi | leia_20: read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 17:51.56 | leia_20 | i like the screenshots! it seems to be nice |
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| 17:53.48 | leia_20 | i can't find the instructions to install the SHR ... |
| 17:54.30 | leia_20 | aaam |
| 17:54.30 | leia_20 | ok |
| 17:54.35 | admiral0 | Ainulindale: recommend leia_20 shr ultra uber lite ;) |
| 17:54.37 | leia_20 | the 2008.9 ??? |
| 17:55.18 | leia_20 | ... i must to go (shit) see you tomorrow! |
| 17:56.35 | Digital_Pioneer | Wow, I guess he has some pretty heavy duty constipation... |
| 17:57.04 | viq | rather diarrhea :P |
| 17:58.28 | admiral0 | lol |
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| 18:09.42 | rooly | okay, this is f'ing bullshit |
| 18:10.02 | feitingen | what is? |
| 18:11.46 | rooly | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/26/apple-files-patent-for-gesture-based-text-editing/#comments |
| 18:11.51 | rooly | woops |
| 18:11.56 | rooly | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/26/apple-files-patent-for-gesture-based-text-editing/ |
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| 18:14.34 | rooly | how is that possibly different than qtopia or openmoko or android, except its on a different type of touchscreen |
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| 18:16.45 | SpeedEvil | First thing we do, is to kill all the lawyers. |
| 18:17.13 | rooly | but seriously. how can they even attempt that? |
| 18:17.31 | rooly | i've been doing that on my phone for quite a while now |
| 18:17.32 | doc|work | rooly: because the patent office has legislators behind it |
| 18:18.26 | SpeedEvil | The patent office is _fucked_ |
| 18:18.36 | SpeedEvil | it's not adequately funded. |
| 18:18.53 | SpeedEvil | As it's assumed that any errors can be rectified by the courts. |
| 18:19.19 | SpeedEvil | So they employ gerbils to do patent examination. |
| 18:20.41 | rooly | just makes me mad is all |
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| 18:23.53 | Dave | nordmann! |
| 18:26.26 | feitingen | Dave: yes |
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| 18:39.49 | kW | ingi: yes |
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| 18:46.10 | ingi | kW: So I guess you know how to retrieve the current source instead of 'historic' source of ASU..., I'm not using ASU, just relating to your initial question. |
| 18:46.31 | kW | ingi: yes, I'm using the dev source right now... |
| 18:46.50 | kW | unfortunately, FSO fails to compile at "task 7 of 6565" |
| 18:46.58 | ingi | kW: which is ? |
| 18:47.58 | kW | fso-testing/openembedded/packages/shasum/shasum-native.bb, do_compile |
| 18:48.11 | kW | with empty error log |
| 18:48.12 | Dave | skjera? |
| 18:48.43 | Dave | swats leinir |
| 18:48.50 | ingi | darn it ! No reported error above or anything ? |
| 18:52.51 | ingi | Try the following: |
| 18:52.51 | ingi | 1) cd fso-testing; . ./setup-env; cd .. |
| 18:52.51 | ingi | 2) bb shasum-native -D -D |
| 18:52.51 | ingi | Should give a little more info on what's happening... |
| 18:53.18 | hiciu | kW: i got this too |
| 18:54.32 | hiciu | . ./setup-env; bitbake shasum-native -D |
| 18:54.59 | hiciu | (but I got this while compiling shr-unstable image) |
| 19:00.15 | kW | ingi+hiciu: the info what is happening is just: "ccache gcc -isystem/some/path/fso-testing/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/include -O2 -isystem/some/path/fso-testing/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/include -o oe_sha256sum main.c sha256.c" |
| 19:00.22 | kW | and that compile actually succeeds |
| 19:00.35 | kW | (file "oe_sha256sum" is generated) |
| 19:00.44 | hiciu | kW: try this: |
| 19:00.57 | hiciu | bitbake -c devshell shasum-native; (wait ~30 sec for new xterm); source temp/run.do_compile* |
| 19:02.31 | ingi | kW: the 'in -o oe_sha256sum main.c' in the 'ccache' command is wrong, I hope it says '-o oe_sha256sum main.o' ! |
| 19:03.01 | ingi | The result of a compile command is almost never a .c file... |
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| 19:03.36 | ingi | and even less likely an optimized ditto (-O2)... |
| 19:03.36 | kW | well, it says "main.c" and not "main.o" |
| 19:04.03 | mwester | kW: Add the following line to your local.conf file: |
| 19:04.03 | ingi | Ah, my wrong, sorry... |
| 19:04.08 | mwester | CCACHE = "" |
| 19:04.20 | ingi | It says '-o oe_sha256sum' and then main.c, sorry about it... |
| 19:04.25 | mwester | Known problem; nobody has taken the trouble to fix it yet. |
| 19:04.32 | kW | hiciu: the "source temp/run.do_compile*" succeeded |
| 19:04.40 | TAsn | how many mokos are there? ;] |
| 19:04.41 | mwester | (doesn't happen on debian, apparently, which is the preferred distro for the core devs for OE) |
| 19:04.51 | kW | mwester: I see |
| 19:05.05 | mwester | What linux do you run? |
| 19:05.46 | TAsn | kW, although it's not really the desired outcome, removing ccache from the local.conf (iirc it was from there) was what solved the same issue for me. |
| 19:06.12 | kW | mwester: OpenSUSE 11.1 |
| 19:06.39 | mwester | Ok, so now it happens on almost everything *except* debian. |
| 19:07.09 | mwester | Sooner or later somebody will track it down. But not me, since I beleive ccache to be an incredible evil in the first place ;) |
| 19:08.04 | hiciu | mwester: in my case (Archlinux) 'ccache' failed because I haven't set '$HOME' variable in build environment |
| 19:09.43 | hiciu | I added 'export HOME = "/home/hiciu"' to openembedded/conf/bitbake.conf and now it works |
| 19:10.09 | TAsn | hiciu, In my case (arhclinux) I didn't know that could solve it so I just disabled ccache like mwester just suggested to kw. |
| 19:11.33 | mwester | hiciu: I would have thought that $HOME should be preserved by bitbake; that's rather draconian of it! |
| 19:11.51 | mwester | hiciu: but that's a good catch. |
| 19:11.58 | kW | mwester+TAsn+hiciu: CCACHE = "" works :-) |
| 19:12.44 | TAsn | kW, ;] |
| 19:13.18 | mwester | I think there is a way to set a per-OE-TMPDIR ccache, which would remove my overall objections to ccache to a large degree -- that would ensure that an OE build wouldn't flush (or erroneously reuse) any content from some other OE build, or even a local non-OE compilation. |
| 19:15.02 | StealthCP | has anyone tested the running of 2008.12 from SD? |
| 19:15.31 | StealthCP | I've decided to use Qt Extended 4.4.x on the flash of my phone, in order for it to be usable for that purpose :) |
| 19:15.45 | StealthCP | yet I wish to mess around with, and code applications for, OE |
| 19:15.59 | StealthCP | though I've heard there were some issues with running from SD? |
| 19:16.14 | rooly | slaps StealthCP for the qte usage |
| 19:16.46 | rooly | you don't have bluetooth, sms's clone, and qte crashes all the time for no particular reason |
| 19:16.52 | StealthCP | I apologize, but I'm not such an open-source fanatic that I blatantly refuse to use proprietary software, even if it works |
| 19:16.55 | rooly | use qt 4.3.2 |
| 19:17.05 | StealthCP | are you sure? |
| 19:17.10 | rooly | yes |
| 19:17.11 | StealthCP | hmm, |
| 19:17.15 | StealthCP | speak of the devil |
| 19:17.18 | StealthCP | it's just crashed |
| 19:17.24 | rooly | 4.3.2 or qte |
| 19:17.26 | StealthCP | 0_o |
| 19:17.29 | StealthCP | qte |
| 19:17.32 | rooly | see? |
| 19:17.39 | StealthCP | no you just said it would crash |
| 19:17.42 | StealthCP | and it did |
| 19:17.46 | rooly | toldya |
| 19:17.50 | StealthCP | :P |
| 19:17.57 | rooly | crap tastic... |
| 19:17.58 | StealthCP | well, what do I lose using Qt 4.3.2? |
| 19:18.13 | rooly | a few minor UI things |
| 19:18.23 | StealthCP | nothing sinister then? |
| 19:18.35 | rooly | erm, no continuous sliding in menus |
| 19:18.45 | rooly | no inertia i mean |
| 19:19.00 | rooly | and the contacts browser doesn't have the side letter thingy |
| 19:19.10 | rooly | and internet doesn't exactly work |
| 19:19.30 | rooly | all of which can be ignored if your just using it as a phone/PIM manager |
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| 19:19.39 | StealthCP | :( |
| 19:20.04 | StealthCP | it's saddening that there's nothing solid for this thing |
| 19:20.10 | rooly | i agree |
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| 19:20.16 | rooly | 4.3.3 maybe then |
| 19:20.29 | rooly | but qte just sucks terribly right now |
| 19:21.04 | StealthCP | it faired better than FDOM, which was my first flash of the device, I didn't quite get well, anything |
| 19:21.14 | rooly | lol |
| 19:21.20 | rooly | yeah, fdom is worse |
| 19:21.31 | rooly | mostly due to the gestures app |
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| 19:22.08 | StealthCP | I tried playing pingus, I might as well have just set the phone under my leg |
| 19:22.36 | StealthCP | well perhaps you could help me with choices then |
| 19:22.42 | rooly | sure |
| 19:22.51 | rooly | shr is stable and wakes up on alarms, from what i hear |
| 19:22.58 | rooly | however i haven't gotten around to trying it |
| 19:23.09 | rooly | fdom is pretty much it's namesake: fat and dirty |
| 19:23.12 | threedee | anyone doing a game they need help with |
| 19:23.35 | StealthCP | I want to primarily, for now, use it as a phone, my 'real' phone died this morning, but I'd happily sacrifice a bit of stability for a few nice extras like wifi and internet working |
| 19:23.37 | rooly | qt is stable and its telephony is already relied on by om |
| 19:24.00 | StealthCP | but at the same time I'd like to stick on SD probably the latest om image, to mess aorund with and write a few python apps for |
| 19:24.04 | rooly | qte is horribly unstable for no good reason |
| 19:24.25 | rooly | android isn't so bad if your just messing around |
| 19:24.34 | StealthCP | hehe |
| 19:24.36 | rooly | so either shr or qt is your choice |
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| 19:24.55 | StealthCP | shr, is based on 2007.2 correct? |
| 19:25.14 | rooly | no |
| 19:25.29 | rooly | shr is a frontend for fso |
| 19:25.48 | rooly | if you want just a pure telephony suite, then fso would probably work |
| 19:26.34 | StealthCP | what are the real differences between the two? |
| 19:26.48 | doc|work | you mean, I can use the freerunner as a phone? |
| 19:26.52 | doc|work | I don't believe you! |
| 19:27.09 | doc|work | sighs as he pokes at his crappy motorola :( |
| 19:27.37 | rooly | doc|work: i use mine as my primary phone |
| 19:27.40 | StealthCP | well I had this discussion at the pub on Christmas Eve with one of my mates who now is in his gap year at Uni, working for Ericsson in Dublin |
| 19:27.41 | rooly | been doing so for months |
| 19:27.55 | StealthCP | The Freerunner, should, primarily, first and foremost |
| 19:28.10 | StealthCP | work perfectly and brilliantly as a phone before anything else is concentrated on |
| 19:28.17 | StealthCP | in his opinion |
| 19:28.19 | doc|work | StealthCP: aye |
| 19:28.25 | rooly | i disagree |
| 19:28.33 | rooly | this is NOT a phone |
| 19:28.39 | ColdFyre | i use 2008.12/FR as my primary phone |
| 19:28.44 | rooly | its a mini-arm computer with a gsm modem |
| 19:28.48 | StealthCP | I can understand that it isn't a .. well rooly said it |
| 19:29.00 | doc|work | rooly: it's sold as a phone |
| 19:29.02 | StealthCP | yes I would ideally have two phones in my pocket |
| 19:29.12 | doc|work | I bought it as a phone |
| 19:29.13 | StealthCP | perhaps the Freerunner in my bag tbh |
| 19:29.24 | doc|work | now I want it to do much more, but it's meant to be the 'open phone' |
| 19:29.25 | rooly | i realize that, doc|work. |
| 19:29.45 | doc|work | and lets be realistic, it's too slow for much more :/ |
| 19:29.57 | rooly | nah, 400mhz can get you quite alot |
| 19:30.05 | StealthCP | but right now I need to use it as my primary phone, and from the 3 weeks I got using and developing for my friend's iPhone, I have to say I'm not as excited to receive my Freerunner back for Christmas |
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| 19:31.36 | doc|work | yeah, I've played with an iphone and after doing that it's kind of disappointing :/ |
| 19:31.41 | doc|work | (the fr) |
| 19:31.44 | rooly | StealthCP: the key to using it is to stop expecting it to be so much better than everything else |
| 19:31.46 | doc|work | you can actually use it :/ |
| 19:31.53 | StealthCP | I'm not expecting that :P |
| 19:31.57 | doc|work | rooly: so much? how about a little? :/ |
| 19:32.02 | rooly | its a freed phone |
| 19:32.15 | rooly | it means you can do with it what you want within the limitations of the hardware |
| 19:32.20 | doc|work | except for the phone bit :) |
| 19:32.21 | rooly | aka, you have no software limitations |
| 19:32.27 | StealthCP | indeed |
| 19:32.35 | rooly | no, it still has the ability to work perfectly as a phone |
| 19:32.52 | StealthCP | question: Is there no acceleration of graphics on the Freerunner yet? (haven't checked) |
| 19:32.56 | doc|work | for varying values of 'perfectly'? what's the lifetime now? :/ |
| 19:32.57 | rooly | no |
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| 19:33.06 | StealthCP | the reason being? |
| 19:33.17 | rooly | doc|work: the hardware has the ability. the current software stacks do not |
| 19:33.35 | rooly | you bought the hardware. everything else about it is free. completely |
| 19:33.45 | doc|work | right, and until they do it's not really fair to say it works perfectly, sadly :( |
| 19:33.45 | rooly | StealthCP: because the glamo chip that's on it sucks |
| 19:34.14 | rooly | doc|work: nobody says the software works perfectly. |
| 19:34.43 | rooly | but aside from a few minor glitches, the hardware is quite up to the task |
| 19:34.57 | doc|work | <rooly> no, it still has the ability to work perfectly as a phone |
| 19:34.57 | doc|work | :) |
| 19:35.14 | doc|work | unless I plug in a sim and try to use it as such? :) |
| 19:35.16 | rooly | and i stand by that statement |
| 19:35.34 | rooly | because the freerunner HAS THE ABILITY to work perfectly as a phone |
| 19:35.39 | rooly | the potential is there |
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| 19:36.06 | doc|work | by that thinking I have the ability to be a world class footballer (given I have two legs) yet here I am :) |
| 19:36.18 | doc|work | not able to kick a ball in a straight line |
| 19:37.00 | rooly | actually, by that thinking, you are right |
| 19:37.20 | rooly | because with a little work and effort, you can cause yourself to be a world class footballer |
| 19:37.34 | doc|work | highly unlikely :) |
| 19:37.50 | StealthCP | if the chances of doc playing for England are the same as the Freerunner becoming a usable and intuitive phone, I'm stuffing myself |
| 19:37.57 | rooly | lol |
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| 19:38.17 | rooly | nah, thats not the metaphore |
| 19:38.49 | doc|work | StealthCP: sell your phone, I'm Irish and have no English parents/grandparents |
| 19:38.55 | doc|work | :) |
| 19:39.09 | StealthCP | I'm northern Irish, and the Freerunner I purchased from the US doesn't work here |
| 19:39.40 | doc|work | erk |
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| 19:39.59 | doc|work | it should work on the second band, shouldn't it? |
| 19:40.03 | StealthCP | unless, of course, I start using my Orange sim card and ditch my O2 one |
| 19:40.56 | StealthCP | O2 having few or little 1800Mhz points in active use |
| 19:40.59 | Dave | moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:41.02 | StealthCP | Orange solely using them |
| 19:45.25 | rooly | that was kinda stupid StealthCP |
| 19:45.41 | StealthCP | they were pverpriced here |
| 19:45.47 | rooly | by how much? |
| 19:45.49 | StealthCP | and no stock |
| 19:45.55 | StealthCP | well, anyway |
| 19:45.58 | StealthCP | let's ignore that |
| 19:46.04 | StealthCP | am I really at a disadvantage? |
| 19:46.11 | rooly | how so |
| 19:46.14 | StealthCP | whenever I'm in the US more often than the rest of europe? |
| 19:46.25 | rooly | welll....i guess not |
| 19:46.32 | rooly | but isn't the FR tri-band anyway? |
| 19:46.36 | doc|work | yeah |
| 19:46.36 | StealthCP | yep |
| 19:46.38 | rooly | 850/1800/1900 |
| 19:46.44 | doc|work | but yeah, just use orange |
| 19:46.45 | rooly | or 900/1800/1900 |
| 19:46.47 | StealthCP | and Europe often uses 1800 as I've seen |
| 19:46.48 | doc|work | problem solved |
| 19:47.03 | StealthCP | UK, there's quite a bit of 900 use, but only on some networks |
| 19:47.04 | rooly | so shouldn't that mean that your FR would work almost everywhere with gsm anyway? |
| 19:47.18 | StealthCP | I've either T-Mobile or Orange to choose from for sole use of 1800Mhz transmitters |
| 19:47.33 | StealthCP | in the UK |
| 19:47.42 | rooly | thats pretty crappy |
| 19:47.55 | StealthCP | how so? |
| 19:47.59 | rooly | but if you spend more time in the US anyway, whatever i guess it doesn't matter |
| 19:49.11 | rooly | anyway, qtopia 4.3.2 works almost perfectly as a phone |
| 19:49.15 | StealthCP | ok |
| 19:49.21 | StealthCP | but.. I'm going to flash SHR first |
| 19:49.24 | StealthCP | to see what it's like |
| 19:49.25 | rooly | there are minor annoyances having to do with in-call detection |
| 19:49.46 | StealthCP | then if I'm not happy I'll change to 4.3.2 |
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| 19:50.01 | rooly | and while you do that, i'm gonna go to office depot and pick up a few dvd-rw's |
| 19:50.13 | rooly | cause i want to install windows and i can't seem to get the disc i have to work |
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| 19:50.41 | StealthCP | ok and... |
| 19:50.53 | StealthCP | where does my music go for the Qtopia media player? |
| 19:51.13 | StealthCP | if anything.. if I was able to use the Freerunner as a media player, even solely, I'd be very happy :) |
| 19:51.18 | rooly | in (sdcard)/Documents/ |
| 19:51.24 | StealthCP | thanks |
| 19:51.37 | rooly | 4.3.2 maintains mp3 playability |
| 19:51.46 | StealthCP | 4.3.3 does not? |
| 19:51.51 | rooly | it should |
| 19:53.15 | rooly | bbl |
| 19:53.16 | StealthCP | where can I find the 4.3.3 images (Sorry) |
| 19:53.32 | StealthCP | I'm having to use Dillo here, it's such a pain |
| 19:54.46 | StealthCP | nvm, managed to get them |
| 19:57.41 | StealthCP | sucks when your freerunner has more ram than your PC P: |
| 19:58.50 | rooly | lmao |
| 19:58.58 | rooly | seriously? |
| 19:59.00 | rooly | bbl |
| 19:59.02 | rooly | what am i doing |
| 19:59.09 | StealthCP | yeah |
| 19:59.10 | StealthCP | 32MB |
| 19:59.43 | viq | StealthCP: maybe you should just find a way to get keyboard and screen attached to your FR ;) |
| 19:59.55 | StealthCP | and stick Debian on it or something :P |
| 20:00.05 | StealthCP | yeah would make sense |
| 20:00.07 | rooly | oh, i know! |
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| 20:00.13 | rooly | use one of those usb moniters |
| 20:00.22 | rooly | and a bluetooth keyboard |
| 20:00.29 | StealthCP | go get your discs |
| 20:00.32 | StealthCP | please :P |
| 20:00.43 | rooly | putting on pants and shoes |
| 20:01.09 | rooly | leaving for real now |
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| 20:16.55 | Tig| | Dave, merry xmas |
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| 20:24.03 | StealthCP | might be a silly question, but where's wifi in Qtopia 4.3.3? |
| 20:24.21 | StealthCP | question I should be asking: is there any? |
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| 20:31.04 | thrashold | StealthCP: Hm, I'm not sure if Qtopia itself supports WiFi, but it should be possible to enable it manually. |
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| 20:47.51 | rooly | qtopia does support wifi |
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| 20:48.27 | rooly | internet, new network interface, wlan |
| 20:49.13 | StealthCP | thanks |
| 20:49.26 | rooly | found it? |
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| 20:49.38 | StealthCP | no, was getting USB networking working there |
| 20:49.41 | cjb | is there a page somewhere that documents how the android port is going? |
| 20:49.41 | yoyo | hi |
| 20:49.57 | rooly | nothing change recently, cjb |
| 20:50.01 | rooly | *changed |
| 20:50.15 | rooly | but just search the wiki for android, and you find something |
| 20:54.11 | Dave | Tig :P |
| 20:54.49 | Tig| | :) |
| 20:54.56 | Tig| | sorry was lagged |
| 20:55.26 | rooly | anyone know a decent gps mapping application for the FR? |
| 20:55.35 | rooly | sorry |
| 20:55.36 | StealthCP | next funky question is asking how I can sync my contacts, calender, in ANY way, be it with my computer or (most unlikely) my Google account? :P |
| 20:55.37 | rooly | for qtopia |
| 20:55.51 | Tm_T | rooly: there isn't, IIRC |
| 20:55.51 | rooly | StealthCP: when you answer that question, please let me know |
| 20:56.02 | rooly | Tm_T: i had read somewhere that there was one |
| 20:56.05 | rooly | i even saw a screenshot |
| 20:56.17 | Tm_T | rooly: one yes, but not decent in my scale |
| 20:57.23 | yoyo | someone from poland? |
| 20:57.32 | rooly | well, all i need is ability to download and save maps, and redisplay them correctly |
| 20:58.28 | StealthCP | you know, Qtopia 4.3.3 is crashing quite often here too |
| 20:58.39 | rooly | then go to 4.3.2 |
| 20:58.50 | StealthCP | um |
| 20:58.57 | StealthCP | what IS the difference? |
| 20:59.07 | rooly | under the hood |
| 20:59.28 | StealthCP | considers tertiary versions to be stable/bugfix updates |
| 20:59.34 | rooly | usually |
| 20:59.58 | Tm_T | why you are not using 4.4.2 ? |
| 21:00.01 | rooly | but qt trolltech likes to implement new features |
| 21:00.12 | rooly | because 4.4.2 crashes like it's nobody's business |
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| 21:01.11 | rooly | and its so very nice too... |
| 21:01.16 | StealthCP | In all honesty, I couldn't even connect to my GSM network under 4.4.2 |
| 21:01.16 | rooly | it just crashes and clones sms |
| 21:01.36 | StealthCP | this is, the first time, my FR has actually connected to a NETWORK |
| 21:01.46 | rooly | using what, 4.3.x? |
| 21:01.50 | StealthCP | 4.3.3 |
| 21:02.07 | StealthCP | T-Mobile sim card I'm using for testing, unregistered or at least, not 'activated by topping up' |
| 21:02.08 | rooly | i only have 1 reproducable crash using 4.3.2 |
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| 21:03.49 | rooly | and that's adding power management modifications to ring profiles |
| 21:04.53 | rooly | applications seem to crash when doing a dns search for some reason on 4.3.2, but only if there is an active connection |
| 21:05.03 | StealthCP | thought in all honesty I can't seem to find the dialer |
| 21:05.56 | rooly | lol |
| 21:05.57 | rooly | lmao |
| 21:06.01 | rooly | on the homescreen |
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| 21:06.08 | rooly | that little phone looking icon |
| 21:06.40 | Tig| | yoyo, what is wrong? |
| 21:06.49 | StealthCP | no, it's not there |
| 21:06.58 | rooly | wha? |
| 21:07.07 | rooly | thats very strange |
| 21:07.15 | StealthCP | contacts, calender, todo list, clock |
| 21:07.18 | StealthCP | are the 4icons |
| 21:07.21 | StealthCP | below that, |
| 21:07.28 | StealthCP | "No appointments today" |
| 21:07.34 | StealthCP | and below that, world map |
| 21:07.54 | rooly | no, not in the menu |
| 21:07.57 | rooly | on the home screen |
| 21:08.12 | StealthCP | that is the home screen |
| 21:08.30 | rooly | there should be 4 icons |
| 21:08.31 | StealthCP | the menu has 4x4 icons |
| 21:08.36 | StealthCP | mhm |
| 21:08.41 | StealthCP | <StealthCP> contacts, calender, todo list, clock |
| 21:08.41 | StealthCP | <StealthCP> are the 4icons |
| 21:08.47 | rooly | a phone, a q, a star, a lock |
| 21:08.53 | Tig| | Dave, I found my freerunner btw! after a nokia batt jump start it has recovered.... if you will pardon the expression it is time for some gratuitous flashing action :P |
| 21:09.10 | Dave | ;D |
| 21:09.13 | Dave | don't worry |
| 21:09.13 | rooly | lol |
| 21:09.22 | rooly | so very odd |
| 21:09.22 | Dave | I hear several people here are into that sort of thing ;) |
| 21:09.25 | Dave | :P |
| 21:09.36 | rooly | StealthCP: i'll look into that |
| 21:09.43 | StealthCP | ok, lol |
| 21:09.48 | StealthCP | it was the skin |
| 21:10.12 | StealthCP | Smart doesn't have a dialer |
| 21:10.16 | rooly | lol |
| 21:10.17 | rooly | goose |
| 21:10.18 | StealthCP | Finxi does |
| 21:10.29 | StealthCP | but, it's not just got as much on the home screen |
| 21:10.35 | Tig| | Dave, ah I heard that it was hardcore gsm pron people were into around here... no idea where they get the goats... |
| 21:10.49 | Dave | O_O |
| 21:10.53 | StealthCP | once again, there's no 'skin' (in this case) that can do everything :P |
| 21:11.19 | StealthCP | ok, dialing causes a crash |
| 21:11.23 | Dave | horrible puns detected |
| 21:11.33 | rooly | on 4.3.3? |
| 21:13.31 | StealthCP | aye |
| 21:13.34 | StealthCP | I really |
| 21:13.41 | StealthCP | don't want to spend 20 minutes flashing 4.3.2 |
| 21:13.48 | StealthCP | JUST to see if dailing works there |
| 21:14.15 | StealthCP | this is where I wonder about some people |
| 21:14.23 | StealthCP | such as the Qt Extended 4.4.x guys.. |
| 21:14.28 | Dave | flash it like it's hot |
| 21:14.32 | rooly | lol |
| 21:14.55 | rooly | you know, i never noticed there was no dialer |
| 21:14.56 | StealthCP | what's stopping them (us/anone) adding say the web browser to 4.3.x |
| 21:15.12 | StealthCP | or bits at a time, keeping everything working |
| 21:15.22 | rooly | not a thing |
| 21:16.00 | StealthCP | I don't understand Qtopia that much though, nor do I really feel like looking it around inside out |
| 21:16.34 | rooly | its not so bad |
| 21:16.42 | StealthCP | I have to say.. |
| 21:16.51 | StealthCP | the media player is Something Epic |
| 21:17.08 | rooly | i just wish it could play more types of video files |
| 21:17.17 | rooly | but video has to be specially transcoded for the FR |
| 21:17.31 | Digital_Pioneer | I hate that... |
| 21:17.42 | rooly | not a single player, just for the FR in general |
| 21:17.52 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, that's gotta get fixed. :\ |
| 21:18.14 | StealthCP | so does acceleration |
| 21:18.20 | StealthCP | hardware scaling |
| 21:18.26 | StealthCP | and stuff |
| 21:18.29 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL, true. |
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| 21:18.35 | Digital_Pioneer | True, true, true. |
| 21:18.36 | rooly | i think, to 320x240 rez, and using a specific codec to minimize processor usage |
| 21:18.44 | rooly | there's something in the wiki about it |
| 21:18.58 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, I got a video transcoded for it... Way too much trouble. |
| 21:19.18 | Digital_Pioneer | You can't really do it on the FR either, I tried... It would take days. |
| 21:19.25 | rooly | lmao |
| 21:19.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah |
| 21:20.09 | rooly | sighs |
| 21:20.11 | Dave | droooooooooly |
| 21:20.14 | rooly | installing windows AGAIN |
| 21:20.21 | SpeedEvil | Transcoding is actually possible. |
| 21:20.25 | Digital_Pioneer | And you have to have a patched mplayer that uses glamo... What IS glamo anyways? |
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| 21:20.45 | Digital_Pioneer | rooly: Don't do that. That's a reallly bad idea. :P |
| 21:20.46 | SpeedEvil | glamo is a mediochre accellerator chip, connected over an ISA bus |
| 21:20.58 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 21:21.17 | rooly | Digital_Pioneer: well i have to if i want to play video games that take advantage of my brand new nvidia gforce 260gtx |
| 21:21.19 | SpeedEvil | transcoding on the device. I got about 1/4 speed on 640*480 AVIs IIRC on neo1973 |
| 21:21.31 | Digital_Pioneer | rooly: It's not worth it. |
| 21:21.55 | Digital_Pioneer | It's like buying an iPhone so you can use DRM properly. |
| 21:21.57 | rooly | i'm instaling linux and dualbooting of course |
| 21:22.02 | Digital_Pioneer | :P |
| 21:22.12 | rooly | i just wanna play my new game |
| 21:22.21 | rooly | gta san andreas |
| 21:23.13 | rooly | is gonna install games on the linux side too |
| 21:23.16 | rooly | don't worry |
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| 21:23.37 | rooly | i'm a developer, so i like to use an os that makes development easy |
| 21:24.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheheh |
| 21:24.45 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm not a developer, I'm barely a programmer, and I still prefer to use an OS that makes development easy. :) |
| 21:25.42 | rooly | sighs... |
| 21:25.48 | rooly | i have to reinstall everything that i had installed |
| 21:26.00 | rooly | but at least i now have a 260gtx |
| 21:29.08 | Digital_Pioneer | I have a GeForce 7150M. Hailed by reviewers as being a weak graphics card. And it can run Compiz-Fusion without a hiccup. :) |
| 21:29.24 | rooly | lol, yeah |
| 21:31.51 | Digital_Pioneer | I wonder why people spend massive sums of money to buy a new graphics card, almost powerful enough to handle microsoft's incompetence... They can turn out crappier GUI code faster than you can buy new graphics cards to render it. :P |
| 21:33.04 | mwester | The problem is the same one Linux coders have. The perceived need for optmization is inverse to the availability of faster silicon. |
| 21:33.49 | mwester | The only real difference is that the typical linux hacker's hardware is a generation behind microsoft, due to the need for open docs, or reverse engineering. |
| 21:34.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Whatever the reason, it works better and does more faster on cheaper hardware. :P |
| 21:35.44 | rooly | it sure does |
| 21:35.57 | rooly | its the same problem that causes java to remain slow |
| 21:36.29 | Digital_Pioneer | And what's that? |
| 21:36.57 | rooly | people state that computers are so fast nowadays that java is no longer slow |
| 21:37.06 | Digital_Pioneer | Hahah |
| 21:37.19 | rooly | but java is still noticably slow |
| 21:37.30 | Digital_Pioneer | And then you write the cool new feature into your program, and it's slow again. :P |
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| 21:39.11 | mwester | Yep, most commercial data center managers will openly admit that it's far, far cheaper to buy an extra several GBytes of RAM for a server than it is to pay a programmer to make even small changes to the code to make it smaller -- and similarly with multi-core processors. |
| 21:39.12 | Digital_Pioneer | That's odd. KIO is tripping up with the FR... |
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| 21:40.16 | mwester | Pretty soon the only folks who will care about C anymore will be us embedded folks, and the folks who write the libraries and VMs to support Java, C#, and other higher-level languages ;) |
| 21:40.36 | mwester | We'll be unique, and able to command higher salaries. |
| 21:40.45 | mwester | Or so I tell my wife, in order to justify my hobby. |
| 21:40.58 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
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| 21:43.46 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, they only teach C++ anymore it seems. |
| 21:44.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh, the dumb FR suspended on my SSH connections... |
| 21:44.33 | Digital_Pioneer | That's why KIO is having so much trouble. |
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| 21:45.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Well... I don't know WHAT it's doing... |
| 21:47.00 | Digital_Pioneer | Holy crap, frameworkd has gone insane!! |
| 21:47.05 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 21:48.53 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, I'm sick of my FR going nuts and I have to pull the battery on it... Is there no better way to shut it down? |
| 21:48.59 | rooly | erm |
| 21:49.00 | rooly | no |
| 21:49.12 | Digital_Pioneer | :( |
| 21:49.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Need an alt-sysrq type trick on here. |
| 21:50.32 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, frameworkd has gone nuts... It ate all my RAM and swap... I'm trying to reboot the phone, but that's really slow. |
| 21:50.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Anyone seen that? |
| 21:51.26 | rooly | you can log onto via usb ssh and then use reboot |
| 21:51.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, that's what I'm doing. |
| 21:51.58 | Digital_Pioneer | Extremely slow. Trying to kill frameworkd now. |
| 21:52.37 | Digital_Pioneer | Good thing I had an SSH open already, it won't let me make any more. |
| 21:52.39 | ingi | DP: pulling the battery is great, works with the car too... |
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| 21:53.08 | Digital_Pioneer | ingi: Yeah, kinda like cutting off your legs to cure athlete's foot. :) |
| 21:53.19 | ingi | DP: :-) |
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| 21:55.17 | Digital_Pioneer | tries to renice -19 $$... Maybe he'll get some responsiveness... |
| 21:55.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Aww, SSH died. |
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| 21:57.23 | Tm_T | hi lpotter |
| 21:57.38 | lpotter | hello |
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| 21:58.26 | Tm_T | lpotter: how's it going? having/had good holidays? |
| 21:59.23 | lpotter | going ok. good holidays and moving house all at the same time! |
| 22:00.03 | Tm_T | aww |
| 22:00.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Aaagh, I'm gonna have to pull the batt. :(( |
| 22:00.29 | Tm_T | lpotter: I'm having fun with Qt 4.5, hrrr |
| 22:00.54 | Digital_Pioneer | It's strange that the thing can run on USB power alone... |
| 22:01.07 | mwester | It can't really. |
| 22:01.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh, yeah, It finally died |
| 22:02.37 | Digital_Pioneer | "bat driver failed to report `status` property" <--- Ring any bells? :\ |
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| 22:04.22 | mwester | Digital_Pioneer: Yep. |
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| 22:04.58 | mwester | Digital_Pioneer: GTA02 2.6.24 or other? |
| 22:05.00 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: What does it mean/do? |
| 22:05.08 | Digital_Pioneer | That's it. |
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| 22:06.16 | Digital_Pioneer | And I've FOUND A WAY to fix the accelerometer bug. |
| 22:06.27 | Digital_Pioneer | At least until next reboot. :P |
| 22:07.14 | mwester | The kernel reports the battery status, but if you do not have a GTA02 battery installed, it gets confused. And it can't handle unplug/replug of the battery on-the-fly. |
| 22:07.53 | Digital_Pioneer | echo 9.2 > /sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.{1,2}/full_scale #and the accelerometers work. |
| 22:08.03 | Tig| | mwester, to be fair to it I doubt it was on the original spec list for the driver :) |
| 22:08.27 | Digital_Pioneer | I have a GTA02 battery... |
| 22:08.36 | mwester | Tig|: That is true, since at the time the device crashed immediately if the battery was removed. :) |
| 22:09.06 | Digital_Pioneer | So if you had two batteries, could you hot-swap them? |
| 22:09.20 | Tig| | Digital_Pioneer, yes if it is plugged in |
| 22:09.27 | mwester | An improvement to the battery driver to handle non-gta02 batteries has been requested, and I think it would be reasonable also to get it to handle battery changes on-the-fly. |
| 22:09.39 | Tig| | as that is how I always jump start my FR when completely battery dead |
| 22:09.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Suspend it and you can, I've pulled the batt while in suspension and it worked fine... But it may have been plugged in. |
| 22:10.52 | mwester | yep, suspend is a different state; you can do a lot in suspend that you can't in real life. |
| 22:10.59 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh |
| 22:11.37 | Digital_Pioneer | So why do I have that error even though I have a stock battery? |
| 22:11.48 | mwester | because you swapped the battery? |
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| 22:12.07 | Digital_Pioneer | I see that when it's booting up. I haven't swapped the battery then. :P |
| 22:12.20 | mwester | ah, ok |
| 22:12.20 | Digital_Pioneer | And it's always the same battery, I just have to remove it every now and then to shut the thing down. |
| 22:12.46 | Digital_Pioneer | But I always see that when it boots now, whether it was a clean shutdown or not. |
| 22:12.48 | Tig| | duff battery? |
| 22:14.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Is it a serious problem? |
| 22:14.54 | Digital_Pioneer | I've noticed the system is always telling me my battery is dead and I need to plug in... Even though it's already plugged in and the batt is fully charged... Is that the only effect? |
| 22:15.40 | lindi- | how |
| 22:16.00 | Digital_Pioneer | How what? Is it telling me to plug it in? |
| 22:16.14 | lindi- | sigh, did not intend to hit return |
| 22:16.21 | Digital_Pioneer | :P |
| 22:16.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Hate it when that happens. |
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| 22:35.03 | StealthCP | rooly, how do I play videos on Qtopia? |
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| 22:46.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Why can't I use Kate to edit files on FR via fish://? |
| 22:46.40 | SpeedEvil | Maybe Kate doesn't love you anymore? |
| 22:46.59 | SpeedEvil | On a more sensible note. |
| 22:47.09 | SpeedEvil | The ssh on the FR is very cut-down. |
| 22:47.19 | SpeedEvil | Also, perhaps you're the wrong user |
| 22:47.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, it sucks. :P |
| 22:47.23 | SpeedEvil | if you're logged in as jkfdkjdgjkd |
| 22:47.39 | Digital_Pioneer | fish://root@192.168.0.202 should work. |
| 22:47.46 | SpeedEvil | and try to scp from the fr, the default user will be jkfdkjdgjkd not root as it should be |
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| 22:49.32 | Dave | Qtopia plays videos now? :P |
| 22:49.42 | Dave | What other sort of amazing things does it do? |
| 22:49.46 | Dave | make calls? :P |
| 22:50.19 | CVirus | dave ... shut up |
| 22:51.07 | Dave | Jerk :P |
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| 23:27.12 | almien | how long does it take for newly-registered projects to get SVN access? |
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| 23:30.58 | pooze | how do I install an opk file of a package that seemingly exists in the repository with the same name? |
| 23:31.28 | pooze | I just keep getting the message "Multiple packages (e-wm and e-wm) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest." |
| 23:31.39 | pooze | when I actually want to install the older opk file from disk. |
| 23:31.52 | pooze | how do I tell opkg not to "use latest" |
| 23:32.00 | pooze | I've tried with --force-downgrade, but that doesn't change anything. |
| 23:34.10 | UndrWater | isn't there a force-install? |
| 23:35.06 | pooze | UndrWater: I didn't see -force-install, but there is a -force-reinstall, which also doesn't change anything. |
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| 23:37.15 | pooze | like... where does opkg keep its database of available packages? |
| 23:37.38 | pooze | can't I just delete those files, install my opk package, then do opkg update to get those database files back? |
| 23:42.20 | yoyo | can I set operator manualy? |
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