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00:49.38Digital_PioneerAnyone know how to give more voices to flite?
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01:44.48DaveHow are you gentlemen?
01:45.45Tm_Thmm, so, Debian in Freerunner is just, well, Debian, no magic tricks involved, right?
01:47.01Tm_TDave: does that include me?
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02:25.41RJ812help me to install matchbox-keyboard
02:25.52RJ812errors like "Package matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'.
02:25.53RJ812"
02:26.31RJ812i using distro OM2008.12
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03:13.00Digital_Pioneerlindi-: So how usable is your dialer? Is it functional yet?
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03:57.26Digital_PioneerSo has anyone built an expect package for the FR yet?
04:27.21slaxxinmerry xmas
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04:35.26Digital_PioneerWell, I have no experience in GUI programming to speak of... What's the absolute simplest way I can make a GUI with a few buttons that run terminal commands that I can use on the FR? :P
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04:39.12Digital_PioneerI try to use the actual terminal as little as possible, since the FR doesn't have the world's largest keyboards...
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05:11.39ColdFyreno way to change the kb in 2008.12?
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07:35.49kd8ikthohoho
07:36.13kd8iktmy cousin bought two gta02's
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09:21.50ajuonlineMerry Christmas!!!!
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09:49.39Hopscotchmerry christmas
09:50.33berntmerry christmas!
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11:09.39nio_Merry xmas from the Netherlands dudes and dudettes! May the source be with you.
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11:13.01XorA:-D
11:13.27XorAand merry winter solstice holiday to you as well :-D
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11:48.43jokerfoxWhen I do a opkg update && upgrade on my brand new 2008.12 image, It goes for om 2008.8 repository?
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11:51.17jokerfoxDoes the dfu-util wipe all data from parition before it copy the image to the phone ?
11:51.31XorAyes
11:51.40XorAas long as you u-boot is newer than 2 years ago
11:52.41transylvaniadoes the 2008.12 have sound/echo issues ?
11:54.59XorAshould be much reduced in 2008.12
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11:55.25jokerfoxok, thanks :)
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12:26.02billkHas anyone been able to build 2008.12 or 2008.testing using mokomakefile?  Wgat args do you use in the Makefile?
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13:02.52ronnywhy the heck does enlightenment in ilumine take about 15-20% cpu
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13:08.21transylvaniado we have a changelog for the new uboot image ? (gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin)
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13:26.00Mortakho ho ho!
13:26.04Mortakhi all
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13:32.33jonkristianAnybody have paroli running yet?
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14:08.37Mortakre-hi
14:09.39Mortakjonkristian: i think i promised too much yesterday, my system is b0rked
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14:30.06lindi-Digital_Pioneer: yeah it works
14:32.52Ghiottonehi all and merry christmas
14:33.17Ghiottonejust wanted to say that my openmoko custom search engine now can search also opkg.org
14:33.38jonkristianMortak: no worries;)
14:33.49jonkristianbbl
14:34.17Ghiottoneyou can find it at http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ or at http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=018430699993342716089:szsaurhronw
14:36.38admiral0nice
14:38.36Ghiottoneadmiral0, thanks :) suggestions and critics are appreciated
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14:40.03poozehmm... howcome I can't seem to install package e-wm ?
14:40.38poozeroot@om-gta02:~# opkg install e-wm
14:40.38poozeInstalling e-wm (0.16.999.050+svnr37988-r0.1) to root...
14:40.38poozeCollected errors:
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14:40.47admiral0Ghiottone: Italian?
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14:45.23Ghiottoneadmiral0, yes
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15:05.43Digital_Pioneerlindi-: Do you have an ipk handy by any chance? :P
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15:11.17lindi-Digital_Pioneer: darcs get http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula
15:14.27Digital_Pioneerlindi-: Is darcs some kind of svn or git type program that I don't know? :\
15:15.05lindi-Digital_Pioneer: yeah
15:15.28Digital_PioneerNot in FR or host system's repos... :(
15:15.28lindi-Digital_Pioneer: i am still learning git so I use darcs for simple stuff
15:15.40lindi-Digital_Pioneer: i'd imagine any modern distro to have darcs
15:16.17Digital_Pioneerlindi-: Mine's not a big distro.
15:17.39Digital_Pioneerlindi-: Also, I don't have anything resembling the OM toolchain on here, it won't work. aclocal version mismatch or some such nonsense.
15:18.10lindi-Digital_Pioneer: it's just python, no need to compile anything
15:18.47Digital_PioneerSurprisingly enough, half the python projects I get for my FR want to be compiled anymore... It's just bytecode, though, I suppose.
15:18.54Digital_PioneerNot arch-specific.
15:21.34Digital_PioneerWell, when I just downloaded the kapula python file, it runs, creates a GUI, but something's gotta be off... Just Initiate, Activate, and Release buttons, huge text saying 'network status' and 'call status' and the File menu. I can't figure out how to do anything. :P
15:22.17lindi-Digital_Pioneer: you did not read the source
15:22.35lindi-Digital_Pioneer: it's not exactly newbie friendly yet :)
15:22.40Digital_PioneerHahah
15:22.45lindi-Digital_Pioneer: did it print anything to stdout?
15:22.50Digital_PioneerYeah, quite a bit.
15:22.59lindi-can you paste somewhere?
15:23.24Digital_PioneerThe request GSM definitely worked.
15:23.41Digital_PioneerIt said I'm using AT&T which is accurate.
15:24.01lindi-Digital_Pioneer: yeah but did you configure your PIN code?
15:24.27Digital_PioneerWhich one? :P
15:24.34lindi-Digital_Pioneer: you don't have pin code?
15:24.38lindi-that would explain
15:24.41Digital_PioneerI had to use a couple to activate the phone, but I did that online. Not on the phone.
15:24.49lindi-ok
15:25.05lindi-Digital_Pioneer: --register-gsm-on-startup option will make it register to network by default if you don't want to choose it manually from menu
15:25.18Digital_Pioneerlindi-: http://pastebin.ca/1293469 <-- I did a bunch of button-pushing, there.
15:25.42lindi-Digital_Pioneer: that's normal
15:25.56lindi-maybe those buttons should be renamed to "Call", "Answer" and "Hangup"
15:25.59Digital_PioneerAnd I have to Ctrl-C it, closing it from GUI doesn't stop the process.
15:26.05lindi-Digital_Pioneer: aha
15:26.15Digital_Pioneerlindi-: That would make more sense. ;)
15:26.27lindi-Digital_Pioneer: but in the FSO api they are named like that
15:26.40lindi-Digital_Pioneer: file->exit works here
15:26.45lindi-Digital_Pioneer: does it print anything for you?
15:26.46Digital_PioneerOh, didn't use that.
15:26.54lindi-ah you clicked the X?
15:27.02Digital_PioneerI pulled down Illume's board and hit X. :)
15:27.12Digital_PioneerThat's how I close everything, pretty much.
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15:27.53Digital_Pioneer`python kapula --register-gsm-on-startup` has no apparent effect. :\
15:28.02lindi-Digital_Pioneer: thanks for your bug report
15:28.10lindi-i'm away to eat now, i'll look at those after it
15:28.28Digital_PioneerOK. Looks promising, though. Good work.
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16:02.08jopkhi all
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16:05.12jopki try to pair the bluetooth device with my laptop. I get neo's adresse with hcitool scan. then I do "hidd --connect <adresse>": Then I get "Can't get device information: Success". (btw I'm using ubuntu). any ideas how to get the device paired? or get some debug info or so?
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16:08.28jones_is there no wireless in om-2008.12
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16:12.47poozejones_: I installed mofi and connected to wireless on Om2008.12
16:12.56poozebut I also noticed there was no "wireless" in settings
16:13.39jones_installing softwar is a challenge when you cant connect to the phone
16:14.04jones_cant get usb working in mint
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16:17.48edjehi all, i managed to stop enlightment to work by removing modules in "the wrench" . any idea on how to get it working again ?
16:22.07jones_reboot?
16:22.57edjei tried it already and that didn;t work. i have a blank/grey screen and no acces to the wrench to repair what i have done
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16:24.21jones_ssh in?
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16:25.25edjeyup i can ssh in. i just have no usable screen
16:26.01jones_cant you fix that from the smell?
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16:26.29MHazemROFL
16:27.06edjeii hope so, but i have no idea how !
16:27.21jones_what did you delete?
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16:27.48Slaxxerrm -rf /*?
16:27.53edjein the wrench i removed a few modules. ( bat, mixxer, etc)
16:27.55jones_get a copy of the rootfs, and unpack it locally on your machine, copy across what you deleted
16:28.16edjei did not delete files, i changed the config
16:28.53jones_can you grab the original configs from svn or vs or whatever?
16:28.56jones_cvsa*
16:29.09jones_grrr, i just cant type
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16:29.25edjeif i only knew what to grab!
16:29.47jones_get the whole wrench config dir, and repalce it all
16:29.54edjedoes anyone know which config file holds the settings for the illume modules
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16:35.08edjeit is in ~/.e !
16:35.21edjethanks for the help guys.
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16:50.32Davehaha Amaraok looks like ass
16:52.19SpeedEvilGoatroak.
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16:54.35ashbertdoes anyone know where in the kernel does the data for /proc/pid/fd comes from ?
16:54.49SpeedEvilIt's the processes file descroiptos
16:54.52SpeedEvildescriptors
16:54.57ashbertthe list of open fds (socks, pipes etc)
16:55.06ashbertyeah, but i cant seem to find the functions
16:55.12ashbertthat actually print this stuff
16:55.18SpeedEvilThe kenrel has lots of tables internally for each process.
16:55.32SpeedEvilit's in /drivers/proc or something
16:55.39ashberti can see the structure of open fd's in task_struct, but it seems tricky to open them, so i want to know how to do it properly
16:55.40SpeedEvilsome of them are exported by procfs
16:55.50SpeedEvilwhy?
16:55.57ashbertyea /fs/proc/*
16:56.07SpeedEvilYou usually can't open files in the kernel if that's what you mean.
16:56.19ashberti just want the list of sockets opened by particular process
16:56.41ashberti dont want to open any files, just need the list of open sockets ..
16:56.52ashbertactually the inodes of the sockets
16:58.07SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
16:58.09ashbertsockfd_lookup can return the struct sock , if the fd is given to it
16:58.12SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
16:58.13SpeedEvil?
16:58.25ashbertlet me check this out
16:58.25SpeedEvilwhat're you trying to do?
16:58.31SpeedEvilmnaybe
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17:04.32emsyredje: did you solve your problem?
17:05.24ashbertproc_readfd_common looks interesting, im trying it out now ..
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17:10.23ashbertawesome ! i think this is just what i needed ! thanks speedevil
17:10.31SpeedEvil:)
17:10.44SpeedEvilknows almost nothing about everything.
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17:45.43RJ812anybody here, plz help :(
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17:47.09jonkristiangps in shr, what's up?
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17:49.03jonkristianStarting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop-daemon: invalid option -- P
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17:58.30jonkristianPackage libframeworkd-glib0 md5sum mismatch.
17:58.45jonkristianTried with some force commands but it doesn't work.
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18:00.23jones_hmmm cant connect to home wireless in FDOM
18:00.26admiral0i've seen amarok on scap.linuxtogo.org
18:00.29admiral0wtf?
18:01.26jones_it gets stuck at connecting to...
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18:11.25jokerfoxIm an advanced enduser, is android something for me ?
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18:14.32Digital_Pioneeradmiral0: Hmmmmmmm, where do I get those Illume themes? :P
18:14.39Digital_PioneerAmarok on FR would be sweet too.
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18:14.51admiral0which themes?
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18:17.55Digital_Pioneeradmiral0: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/efdd39c5a0f32c1a76fcbfe549f74f9f.png For instance
18:18.41edjeemsyr: yes, removing the ~/.e directory did the trick. thanks for asking
18:20.18admiral0Digital_Pioneer.. BluesLee has done it. Ask him. he's on openmoko-cdevel
18:20.42Digital_Pioneeradmiral0: Those his shots?
18:20.52admiral0yes
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18:23.19Digital_PioneerBluesLee: Welcome. :)
18:23.39BluesLeehi
18:23.40Digital_PioneerWhere can I get this theme? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/efdd39c5a0f32c1a76fcbfe549f74f9f.png
18:24.21BluesLeeDigital_Pioneer: there is no finalized theme yet
18:24.49BluesLeeDigital_Pioneer: i am just playing around ...
18:25.09Digital_PioneerWell it looks sweet.
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18:25.25BluesLeeDigital_Pioneer: an there will not be a theme with those images included as they are proprietary
18:25.42BluesLeeDigital_Pioneer: icons are gpl
18:25.59Digital_PioneerAwww. Proprietary crap. :P
18:26.45BluesLeeDigital_Pioneer: hehe ... no big problem... http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6678b0280b5a03d164803c72fccf3fde.png
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18:27.24Digital_PioneerSo you got Amarok working on FR too... Is it usable on there?
18:27.40BluesLeeDigital_Pioneer: this one isnt proprietary ... and i will find a gpl one for the top ...
18:27.54Digital_PioneerYeah, it's pretty slick too.
18:27.55jonkristianBluesLee: sweet
18:28.02BluesLeeDigital_Pioneer: no, dos1 was experimenting with amarok
18:28.16jonkristianIs that theme available anywhere?
18:28.21jonkristianthat's shr?
18:28.26Digital_PioneerLooks like SHR.
18:28.28BluesLeethats shr
18:28.28poozehow do I tell opkg NOT to use latest version of a package? I have downloaded an opk file to disk that I want to install, but opkg can find a newer version in it's database, so automatically trying to install the newer version instead.
18:28.43Digital_Pioneerpooze: -force-downgradwe
18:28.46Digital_Pioneer*downgrade
18:28.53BluesLeejonkristian: not yet, it will take some time, just playing around
18:28.55poozeroot@om-gta02:~# opkg install ./e-wm_0.16.999.043\+svnr36882-r14.01_armv4t.opk -force-reinstall -force-downgrade
18:28.55poozeMultiple packages (e-wm and e-wm) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
18:28.55poozeInstalling e-wm (0.16.999.050+svnr37988-r0.1) to root...
18:28.55poozeCollected errors:
18:28.57pooze<PROTECTED>
18:28.59pooze<PROTECTED>
18:29.02dos1Digital_Pioneer: i run amarok with DISPLAY=freerunner's ip, so it's cheeting ;]
18:29.04dos1cheating*
18:29.16Digital_Pioneerdos1: Ahhh, LOL
18:29.20BluesLeedos1: cheating? hmmm
18:29.20pooze^- Digital_Pioneer
18:29.23Digital_PioneerYou can do that??
18:30.08dos1"xhost +" on freerunner and i can "run" what i want ;D
18:30.24Digital_Pioneerpooze: Put forces before package.
18:31.00jonkristianDoes anybody know how to fix this?  Package libframeworkd-glib0 md5sum mismatch.
18:31.11jonkristianIm getting that on shr, trying opkg update && opkg upgrade
18:31.22poozeDigital_Pioneer: same result, unfortunately.
18:31.32Digital_Pioneerdos1: Hmmm, I tried it, it didn't work... :(
18:32.03admiral0dos1: i had a heart attack when i saw amarok
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18:32.28Digital_PioneerDoesn't work with amarok, I guess. Works with others.
18:32.28dos1jonkristian: rm /var/lib/opkg/*
18:33.03dos1Digital_Pioneer: i only did xhost +, and DISPLAY=192.168.2.202:0
18:33.08dos1nothing else
18:33.19jonkristianouch, amarok? isn't that waay too rescource hungry?
18:33.29jonkristiandos1: thanks ill try tahat
18:33.30Digital_PioneerYeah. Amarok didn't work with it, kdesu true did. :P
18:33.31jonkristianthat*
18:34.05Digital_Pioneerjonkristian: Unless they make a mobile version, I would think so. However, using the DISPLAY trick, you're using the other computers resources and FR's screen. :)
18:34.23jonkristianyeah
18:34.35jonkristianDigital_Pioneer: aren't you an archlinux user?
18:34.54admiral0archlinux rocks
18:34.56jonkristiandos1: still got the same md5sum mismatch thingy, maybe something wrong with shr repo
18:35.00Digital_Pioneerjonkristian: Indeed, I am an Arch fan.
18:35.11jonkristianDigital_Pioneer: I knew i've seen that nick before;)
18:35.35Digital_PioneerI've mostly disowned my Arch-running desktop since I got my laptop though. :\
18:35.57Digital_PioneerI've only found one distro that runs on this laptop, and that's Pardus. A little-known turkish distro. Good thing I like it. :P
18:36.27admiral0Digital_pioneer: what would you say if i told you i am making a distro archlinux-based
18:36.29admiral0?
18:36.32Digital_PioneerThe occasional turkish program is annoying, but it's a remarkably useful little distro.
18:36.34dos1jonkristian: so ask quickdev
18:36.40Digital_Pioneeradmiral0: I would say can I get an ISO?
18:37.03admiral0no, you can't it's for the freerunner XD
18:37.24Digital_PioneerI've been working on an LFS system. It's LFS-based, and has no package manager. A pet project. :)
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18:37.41Digital_PioneerThat's all I can brag as far as distro-making goes.
18:37.51Digital_Pioneeradmiral0: Can I get a jffs2? :P
18:38.06admiral0ihave only kernel and busybox yet
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18:38.35jonkristianquickdev: ping. Package libframeworkd-glib0 md5sum mismatch.
18:38.48Digital_PioneerAhh, OK.
18:39.01Digital_PioneerI don't like busybox. :P
18:39.51admiral0me neither, but it's fast and little
18:40.00quickdevjonkristian, #openmoko-cdevel
18:40.02admiral0i'll provide bash anyway
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18:40.28Digital_PioneerGooood.
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18:40.40Digital_PioneerI'm drowning in this fake shell on the FR. Hahah
18:40.55admiral0XD
18:42.48Digital_PioneerUgh, and I hate the excuse it has for less. You can't even /search.
18:43.31admiral0less?
18:43.38admiral0i use more
18:43.42Digital_PioneerHeheheh
18:43.54Digital_PioneerMore doesn't let you go up and down does it?
18:44.00Digital_PioneerJust down, page-by-page, isn't it?
18:44.27admiral0yes
18:44.45Digital_PioneerYeah, what good is that? I can't go back. :P
18:45.00SpeedEvilbusybox.
18:45.12SpeedEvilYou can install replacement utils pack
18:46.44admiral0you convinced me
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18:46.54admiral0i need a virtual machine
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18:47.29Digital_PioneerSpeedEvil: Ehh?
18:47.39roolyis ecstatic
18:47.56SpeedEvilthe default utils are mostly supplied by look-alikes that are provided by busybox.
18:48.08SpeedEvilyou can install the proper official ones.
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18:48.42Digital_PioneerYou can?
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19:14.01der-lehmanni hope so
19:14.14der-lehmannbut dont know!
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19:50.27Pandersoon I will have some time on a 3D plotter to experiment with new casings, but for Linux I don't know which 3D modelling software to use, BRL-CAD is the only one that can import the iges files. any other open source 3D modelling apps that are out there?
19:52.50samgeePander, you mean like blender?
19:53.05Digital_PioneerDoes the FR collect its time from the GSM network?
19:53.17Digital_Pioneer(Time of day)
19:53.33jones_im not sure
19:53.38lindi-Digital_Pioneer: afaik very few operators send it
19:54.03Digital_Pioneerlindi-: Most every cell phone in the USA gets time from the network.
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20:47.41bumbl!seen morphis
20:47.42cdbot2I found 3 matches to your query (sorted): morphis_ morphis morphis|feiern. morphis_ (n=morphis@p54898097.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 5 days, 21 hours, 49 minutes ago stating (Client Quit).
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22:49.02jhass840hi, is anyone around?
22:51.51SpeedEvilno.
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23:03.01jonkrist1anhi, is anyone stuffed?
23:03.28jonkrist1anI know I am:D
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23:33.04jokerfoxShouldnt be any problem making a partition on mmcblk0p2 and mount /home to it?
23:34.43balrog-kunin theory nope
23:35.06balrog-kuni mean, sounds reasonable
23:37.31jokerfoxHmm. Think Ill try out that. Thanks for reply! :-)
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23:47.17balrog-kunjokerfox: chown it once after you mount it
23:47.48balrog-kunjokerfox: ah wait.. there are no users..
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