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| 00:41.57 | bricode | mwester: Around? |
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| 01:33.42 | quatrox | does anyone know which files ash sources? I want to make a file a la ~/.bashrc or ~/.aliases, but don't know what to name it |
| 01:39.53 | quatrox | I thought it was ~/.profile but that does not seem to work |
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| 01:51.02 | quatrox | ahh... I just needed to restart the login shell:) |
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| 01:55.57 | mwester | bricode: around now... |
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| 02:07.29 | SpeedEvil | New accessory for OM. |
| 02:07.31 | SpeedEvil | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mutb7KgA9NM |
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| 02:20.18 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: is that a replacement vibrator? |
| 02:21.02 | sicu | hehe |
| 02:21.29 | SpeedEvil | It's a solution to the suspend issues, and will fix battery life completely. |
| 02:21.35 | sicu | i'd definately feel that one in my pocket |
| 02:22.24 | FxChiP | ! |
| 02:22.39 | FxChiP | SpeedEvil, you solved the suspend and battery life issues? |
| 02:24.55 | SpeedEvil | With the power of V12! |
| 02:25.19 | sicu | rumour will spread =] |
| 02:25.30 | sicu | we're saved at last |
| 02:26.57 | FxChiP | V12? |
| 02:27.04 | FxChiP | What's V12? |
| 02:27.10 | SpeedEvil | see the youtube |
| 02:28.07 | FxChiP | Which youtube? |
| 02:28.17 | SpeedEvil | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mutb7KgA9NM |
| 02:28.18 | quatrox | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mutb7KgA9NM |
| 02:28.24 | SpeedEvil | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mutb7KgA9NM |
| 02:28.34 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 02:28.44 | FxChiP | nice |
| 02:34.23 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, I installed 2008.12 just to give it a shot, and ahhhhh, it appears the usb0 interface is down on the FR, and there's no terminal or GUI network app. |
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| 02:35.02 | Digital_Pioneer | I mean, seriously... Did nobody notice this is a problem? :\ |
| 02:35.56 | quatrox | Digital_Pioneer: they had missing usb network in SHR for a few days also |
| 02:36.01 | quatrox | but they fixed it |
| 02:36.56 | linuxxr | its not just reboot |
| 02:37.21 | quatrox | I guess usb0 is not brought up by default |
| 02:37.38 | quatrox | and ssh is deactivated on wifi |
| 02:37.46 | Digital_Pioneer | And, uhh, why does it suspend after a period of inactivity? Shut down the screen, shut down peripherals like GPS and wifi, but don't shut down the phone... LOL |
| 02:37.50 | linuxxr | yes isnt it beautiful |
| 02:38.15 | quatrox | do _not_ shut down GPS |
| 02:38.22 | SpeedEvil | The CPU uses the most power of any device on the phone. |
| 02:38.31 | SpeedEvil | And it does not clock down at the moment. |
| 02:38.36 | linuxxr | what was operating the valves on that v12? |
| 02:38.36 | Digital_Pioneer | SpeedEvil: Yes, but it's a brick while the CPU is not running. :P |
| 02:38.40 | SpeedEvil | so it uses a truly hideous amount of power. |
| 02:39.05 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: pushrods from a camshaft |
| 02:39.22 | linuxxr | micro lifters? |
| 02:39.26 | SpeedEvil | Why would you want the CPU running with the phone idle? |
| 02:39.38 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: looked like |
| 02:39.43 | Digital_Pioneer | SpeedEvil: It's a phone... People call it. :P |
| 02:40.00 | SpeedEvil | Digital_Pioneer: the GSM part generates and interrupt, which wakes the phone |
| 02:40.23 | Digital_Pioneer | raises an eyebrow. |
| 02:40.33 | SpeedEvil | (in principle) |
| 02:40.35 | Digital_Pioneer | Without the CPU running? |
| 02:40.38 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 02:40.52 | quatrox | the GSM chip is a quad core |
| 02:40.59 | SpeedEvil | The GSM part generates an interrupt to the CPU, which makes the phone wake |
| 02:41.02 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: dual core |
| 02:41.05 | Digital_Pioneer | And I always assumed a computer needed the CPU running to do anything... |
| 02:41.07 | quatrox | ohh |
| 02:41.28 | linuxxr | need a computer without a processor |
| 02:41.33 | SpeedEvil | Digital_Pioneer: not really. It needs a CPU running. Or configured to respond to external devices. |
| 02:41.39 | SpeedEvil | Digital_Pioneer: not really. It needs a CPU running. Or configured to respond to external devices while stopped. |
| 02:42.06 | Digital_Pioneer | Huh. |
| 02:42.12 | quatrox | Digital_Pioneer: think of it as many computers |
| 02:42.24 | quatrox | one can wake up the other |
| 02:42.30 | Digital_Pioneer | So, can it be configured to wake up on screen touch? |
| 02:42.36 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 02:42.53 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you shouldn't notice the CPU has stopped. |
| 02:43.04 | quatrox | the gsm chip is does not fetch input from the touch screen |
| 02:43.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Of course, if you do that, you'd want it to shut down after just a few seconds if not used. |
| 02:43.34 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much. |
| 02:43.43 | quatrox | well |
| 02:43.48 | SpeedEvil | As long as nothing is talking to something outside, or reading GPS or mic, or ... |
| 02:44.04 | Digital_Pioneer | So (getting a bit crazy here) could you make it only wake up if a certain pattern is traced on the screen? :P |
| 02:44.09 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:44.16 | SpeedEvil | At least not with the current design. |
| 02:44.17 | Digital_Pioneer | Aww, too bad. |
| 02:44.30 | SpeedEvil | Any touch will wake unfortunately. (if a touch will at all) |
| 02:44.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh well, you can only squeeze so much awesomeness into something that small... :P |
| 02:45.00 | Digital_Pioneer | So has anyone here tried ReMoko? is it any good yet? |
| 02:45.08 | quatrox | Digital_Pioneer: the touch screen is not connected to the GSM chip, so the chip has no idea what you do to the touch screen |
| 02:45.19 | mwester | There was a proposed design that *could* have done that, thoiugh. But the Om powers-that-be feared it, and nixed the idea. |
| 02:45.20 | Digital_Pioneer | SpeedEvil: Can I enable that without doing (much) coding? |
| 02:45.31 | Digital_Pioneer | quatrox: I don't need it to. :) |
| 02:45.53 | SpeedEvil | Digital_Pioneer: what? |
| 02:46.09 | Digital_Pioneer | SpeedEvil: Wake on touch instead of pwr button. |
| 02:46.25 | SpeedEvil | It can already do wake on touch. |
| 02:46.59 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I enable that? |
| 02:47.18 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea. |
| 02:47.34 | SpeedEvil | There are several distributions, and I don't know which ones support which features. |
| 02:47.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh |
| 02:47.45 | SpeedEvil | I've been more looking at the hardware capabilities side. |
| 02:48.12 | quatrox | SpeedEvil: did the screen locker disappear totally in advantage for suspend? |
| 02:48.24 | SpeedEvil | Don't know. |
| 02:48.38 | quatrox | hmm |
| 02:48.53 | SpeedEvil | The CPU wakes to a touch - any touch - on the screen. |
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| 02:49.11 | quatrox | btw, freerunner works good with ogg... no lagging even when doing other things:) |
| 02:49.12 | SpeedEvil | It then has to decide if that touch means it should do more than go back to sleep immediately. |
| 02:49.18 | Digital_Pioneer | SpeedEvil: Not for me in 2008.12... |
| 02:49.21 | SpeedEvil | s/wakes/can be configured to wake/ |
| 02:49.32 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh. :) |
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| 02:50.34 | quatrox | mwester: would it be possible to process audio in the GSM chip? |
| 02:50.48 | SpeedEvil | Quadduc: you can in principle do anything in the GSM chip |
| 02:50.51 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: |
| 02:50.54 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: but |
| 02:51.05 | quatrox | little space there, yes |
| 02:51.09 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: there is firmware provided by TI that just implements a serial GSM modem. |
| 02:51.23 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: there is probably free space, but you'd need to do a _LOT_ of coding. |
| 02:51.24 | mwester | quatrox: the GSM already has a very good audio processor, and lots of sophisticated software to do interesting things -- but it's all closed. |
| 02:51.53 | SpeedEvil | I note that the hardware specs have been leaked, so it's in principle possible to clean-sheet develop a GSM codec. |
| 02:52.09 | SpeedEvil | I'd put it at a few dozen man-years of effort, at a guess. |
| 02:52.17 | quatrox | I got two GTA02, and thought of trashing the GSM firmware in one of them |
| 02:52.25 | quatrox | and use the chip for other things |
| 02:52.41 | SpeedEvil | have you seen the link to the NDA datasheet? |
| 02:52.49 | quatrox | yes |
| 02:53.31 | quatrox | but didn't have time to read the pdf's yet |
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| 02:54.47 | Digital_Pioneer | What is gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin? Heheh |
| 02:55.05 | quatrox | it is for Freerunners |
| 02:55.17 | Digital_Pioneer | I know, what is it? :P |
| 02:55.46 | quatrox | the kernel |
| 02:56.16 | Digital_Pioneer | 211k kernel? |
| 02:56.59 | quatrox | sorry |
| 02:57.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Ohhh, it's probably the bootloader. |
| 02:57.09 | quatrox | I mixed with uImage |
| 02:57.35 | Digital_Pioneer | So... If that's the bootloader, what is gta02v5-lowlevel.bin? :P |
| 02:58.42 | quatrox | I do not think you need lowlevel.bin |
| 02:59.18 | quatrox | but it sounds like it could be firmware |
| 02:59.38 | quatrox | not sure what it is for |
| 02:59.50 | Digital_Pioneer | So... Is there no way to get into this thing? It's not bringing up usb0, it has no obvious terminal, and no apparent networking GUI. |
| 03:01.46 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 03:03.18 | Digital_Pioneer | I take that as a no. |
| 03:04.04 | Digital_Pioneer | goes to give FDOM a shot. |
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| 03:07.36 | kd8ikt | i prefer shr but whatever floats your boat |
| 03:08.24 | kd8ikt | havent looked at zhone lately but last i checked it was getting pretty reliable |
| 03:08.59 | Digital_Pioneer | Zhone runs on FR? |
| 03:09.04 | Digital_Pioneer | It's not listed on the wiki. |
| 03:09.17 | Digital_Pioneer | kd8ikt: And I actually use SHR, I'm just trying other distros right now. |
| 03:09.40 | kd8ikt | so youre saying http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zhone doesnt exist? |
| 03:10.56 | kd8ikt | if i'm reading the history page correctly its been around since june 1st 2008 |
| 03:11.24 | Digital_Pioneer | kd8ikt: It's not listed among the distros... I guess it's not actually a distro though. |
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| 03:33.54 | quatrox | Digital_Pioneer: I believe zhone is a phone stack, not a distro |
| 03:34.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Appears to be. |
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| 03:38.49 | daMaestro | wifi removed from settings? |
| 03:39.34 | quatrox | which settings? |
| 03:40.58 | daMaestro | literally, "settings: |
| 03:43.09 | daMaestro | balh, so far 2008.12 has crashed on me twice |
| 03:44.55 | daMaestro | boot time is *alot* better |
| 03:45.02 | daMaestro | and it crashed because i didn't have my sim in :-/ |
| 03:45.03 | daMaestro | ooops |
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| 03:55.00 | daMaestro | awesome. and i can't crash it by opening and closing the top menu quickly... |
| 03:55.01 | daMaestro | lol |
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| 04:13.37 | linuxxr | no crash on 200812 |
| 04:14.34 | linuxxr | screen went black when i unplugged the charger |
| 04:15.18 | linuxxr | seems to charge while in suspend |
| 04:15.24 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.42 | linuxxr | wakes to recieve a phone call |
| 04:15.59 | linuxxr | an phone hasnt failed yet |
| 04:16.44 | linuxxr | i have no illume |
| 04:17.41 | linuxxr | or wrench |
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| 04:48.39 | linuxxr | now thats a good looking caculator |
| 04:49.23 | linuxxr | comic reader dont work |
| 04:49.38 | linuxxr | liquid war works |
| 04:49.56 | linuxxr | openvibe works |
| 04:55.09 | slaxxer | oboy hackable1 .jffs2 images |
| 04:55.14 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:44.33 | linuxxr | well that didnt take long |
| 05:44.56 | linuxxr | it was a pretty good feat getting it to 90 megs |
| 05:46.24 | linuxxr | i couldnt get ilumu to work on om latest |
| 05:49.05 | khaije1 | so is hackable using the FSO framework? |
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| 06:35.24 | slaxxer | dont appear so but i may be wrong |
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| 06:40.33 | khaije1 | thats too bad, minimal debian + fso framework + OMgui seems like perfection |
| 06:45.05 | slaxxer | i dont know how to tell |
| 06:45.16 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.44 | slaxxer | 90 megs |
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| 06:48.35 | gecco | good morning |
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| 07:16.52 | khaije1 | slaxxer: i don't think it does, since it sounds like it's based on work from before the FSO was adopted for mainline |
| 07:17.17 | khaije1 | for example does hackable feature zhone (not totally indicative i realize) |
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| 07:37.04 | dns53 | how is 2008.12? |
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| 08:47.17 | dns53 | so has anyone tried 2008.12? |
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| 09:23.31 | Psi | hm.. whats the quickest/best image to get gprs/web-browser working on a gta01 ? |
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| 11:26.48 | sblanzio | hey guys i've just flashed the 2008.12. how can i install mplayer? i can't find it anywhere |
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| 11:30.45 | sblanzio | isn't just there anybody who knows how to install mplayer? |
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| 11:36.38 | viq | sblanzio: and the obvious thing to try, "opkg update && opkg install mplayer" ? |
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| 11:39.28 | dns53 | mplayer was removed because of patent trolls |
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| 11:42.17 | Bish | how do i know if i ave a gta02v5 or 4? |
| 11:43.22 | PaulFertser_ | Bish: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep Revision |
| 11:43.35 | Bish | i do not have a running os on it right now :D |
| 11:44.41 | dns53 | aren't all the consumer devices 2v5? |
| 11:45.13 | viq | dns53: comminity patent trolls or industry patent trolls? |
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| 11:45.38 | viq | Bish: look at the SD slot if it has a resistor soldered on |
| 11:47.27 | Bish | Yashy: a what :D? |
| 11:47.38 | Bish | viq: : |
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| 12:13.44 | viq | Bish: "something" - see if the lines leading to contacts are clean, or is there "something" connecting two of them |
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| 12:15.35 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 12:15.39 | dns53 | hey |
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| 12:30.23 | ^wd^ | what is default ip in 2008.12 ? |
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| 12:33.13 | vininim | I think it hasn't changed, so it's 192.168.0.202 |
| 12:34.38 | ^wd^ | NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out |
| 12:34.41 | ^wd^ | :) |
| 12:34.53 | ^wd^ | reboot fr fix it :) |
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| 12:46.24 | sblanzio | viq I tried but i got: Collected errors: * Cannot find package mplayer. |
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| 12:57.38 | vininim | dns53: my device is A6 |
| 12:57.56 | vininim | bought from koolu at october, iirc |
| 12:59.44 | sblanzio | dns53, so is there a way to install mplayer? it's required by a lot of apps |
| 13:03.20 | Weiss | sblanzio: since it's not in the repositories, you'll have to build it yourself.. |
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| 13:05.38 | sblanzio | kk tnx |
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| 13:38.30 | quatrox | sblanzio: you can get mplayer from SHR repo if its not in 2008.12 |
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| 13:39.19 | quatrox | got disconnected, so not sure if you got a better answer |
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| 13:39.53 | test1234 | is a mailing list system administrator present? |
| 13:41.00 | nkinkade | Is there any easy way to programmatically raise the keyboard in Illume, with the AUX button perhaps? |
| 13:42.04 | quatrox | look at what the current launcher does |
| 13:44.22 | nkinkade | quatrox: I wasn't sure where to begin looking. I don't know the internals of Illume at all. |
| 13:45.25 | nkinkade | I guess I can just try to plow through /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume and see what I find. |
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| 13:57.46 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra06be62ed80d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:57.46 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: move numberToPhonebookTuple from gsm.const into modems.abstract.modem |
| 13:57.46 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: We need to be able to override it per-modem (Freescale Neptune *cough*) |
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| 13:59.41 | Zombywoof | hello! I have just flashed my openmoko with the 2008.12 update, and would like to configure the keyboard. Could someone point me in the right direction for information regarding this? Is the default keyboard matchbox? |
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| 14:00.31 | Bish | matchbox? holy fuck? |
| 14:00.33 | Bish | read the wiki |
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| 14:05.55 | Zombywoof | allrighty then. thank you for your help! |
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| 14:08.09 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rac11349cdcaa 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (abstract/modem.py freescale_neptune/modem.py): |
| 14:08.09 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] override numberToPhonebookTuple |
| 14:08.09 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: Storing international numbers works on this modem now. |
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| 15:18.55 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1a4abcb52a44 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [ABSTRACT] strip " in response to +CPIN since some modems return this as a string |
| 15:18.56 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc0d3cebcd788 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:18.56 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] send the magic SIM initialization commands, |
| 15:18.56 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: so that the GSM 07.07 commands for reading the SMS message book work ootb. |
| 15:18.57 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: Override one channel's modemStateSimUnlocked() as well to send the mandatory |
| 15:18.59 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.ReadyStatus( True ) on time. |
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| 15:32.10 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rebfe002459f0 10/docs/ogsmd/freescale_neptune/ (cfun.sample modem): document some more freescale neptune quirks |
| 15:34.17 | eolson | Pio, I use fso4 and gprson.sh and gprsoff.sh scripts from the wiki. Works great |
| 15:35.02 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r15238037169d 10/docs/ogsmd/freescale_neptune/modem: freescale neptune: more quirks |
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| 16:38.55 | CVirus | INTERBUTTT AT LAAAAAAAAAAST |
| 16:39.21 | CVirus | marine cable fixed :-D |
| 16:42.04 | SpeedEvil | buys CVirus satellite phone for backup. |
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| 16:43.13 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: actually egypt is on a satellite backup link right now |
| 16:43.23 | CVirus | connection is too crappy |
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| 16:44.57 | mwester | What, is there one internet connection into Egypt?? |
| 16:46.35 | CVirus | I think there are two .. because the outage was of 80% |
| 16:46.55 | CVirus | besides, there's another one under construction ... to be finished in 9 months |
| 16:47.12 | CVirus | we're a 3rd world developing country .. you know :-) |
| 16:48.12 | joerg_42 | www.heise.de/mobile has mentioned FR once more ;-) |
| 16:50.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | CVirus: sometimes it seems .tw is all the same. At least when it comes to international connectivity |
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| 16:52.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | yesterday I tried to dl a 107M file from one of our Germany-located servers - - ETA: 15h :-( |
| 16:53.33 | SpeedEvil | Get someone to fly out with a USB drive. |
| 16:53.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | Lol - yeah |
| 16:54.07 | CVirus | hehe |
| 16:54.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | now I go back home, next to the server |
| 16:54.19 | CVirus | What is PMU ? |
| 16:54.32 | SpeedEvil | Never underestimate the bandwidth of a colon full of microSDs in condoms on a 747. |
| 16:54.33 | lindi- | power management unit |
| 16:54.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | Power Management |
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| 16:54.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | Unit? |
| 16:54.42 | CVirus | thanks |
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| 17:02.33 | muxe | hi, i can't switch to illume keyboard in 2008.12 with the description in the wiki, i dont even get a qwery button. what has changed? |
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| 17:27.26 | quatrox | does anyone know how I can store phone numbers in SHR? |
| 17:28.24 | quatrox | 'Contacts' does not save anything |
| 17:29.09 | phobie | how to fix "ValueError: bad marshal data" when starting frameworkd |
| 17:29.10 | phobie | ? |
| 17:30.11 | quatrox | Kung Fu? |
| 17:30.49 | quatrox | at least it makes the error go away |
| 17:30.53 | phobie | no I tried Kungfu but it does not help ;) |
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| 17:31.01 | quatrox | ohh |
| 17:37.39 | Klischeepunk | mh, could anyone lead me the way to the german OM IRC chan, I think I read somthing about it's existance, but I'm not able to find it again ... anyone? |
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| 17:38.34 | Klischeepunk | It has not to be an official channel I'm just stuck in a translation |
| 17:38.40 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall #openmoko-de |
| 17:38.43 | balrog-kun | Klischeepunk: it was something like neo1973-de or some such |
| 17:39.20 | Klischeepunk | well fail on both ... nevermind but thanks :) |
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| 17:43.24 | balrog-kun | ah |
| 17:43.29 | balrog-kun | neo1973-germany i think |
| 17:43.38 | balrog-kun | with a sinlge or double # |
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| 17:45.31 | balrog-kun | the have a website with a wiki at http://www.neo1973-germany.de/ |
| 17:45.38 | balrog-kun | damn elitists :) |
| 17:46.33 | Klischeepunk | thanks a lot :) |
| 17:48.11 | Klischeepunk | well but the page seems broken since I'm not getting a reply - that much for the elitists |
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| 17:49.07 | balrog-kun | :p |
| 17:49.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | Muhaha |
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| 17:52.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | Klischeepunk: freeyourphone.de ? |
| 17:53.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | small but vivid |
| 17:54.10 | balrog-kun | less is more |
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| 18:00.26 | F4t | hey all, i was wondering.... can openmoko switch to the Tegra SoC? :D |
| 18:01.17 | SpeedEvil | Tegra? |
| 18:02.07 | SpeedEvil | Probably too high power use |
| 18:02.10 | F4t | nVidia Tegra...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXYshhuJzh4&feature=PlayList&p=3094AF805137BBAE&index=0&playnext=1 |
| 18:02.44 | SpeedEvil | I can't see anything giving power consumption numbers. |
| 18:03.46 | F4t | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Tegra,5516.html |
| 18:03.51 | SpeedEvil | As to if they can switch - sure - if you sponsor it. |
| 18:04.18 | F4t | "This version is a sub-1 watt part and is rated at a power consumption of 0.6-1 watts. Considering the fact that this chip is capable of running HD video decoding and encoding (720p only), the power consumption rating is impressive." :) |
| 18:04.23 | Weiss | i think that was mentioned on the community list a while ago |
| 18:05.26 | F4t | from what i've read so far, microsoft powered devices using the tegra chip gonna start poping up after barcelona conference 2009... |
| 18:05.29 | SpeedEvil | Then there is the issue of can I order 1 tegra chip now |
| 18:05.38 | SpeedEvil | Can I order 1000, for a prototype run, ... |
| 18:06.01 | F4t | http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_wtb.html |
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| 18:06.02 | SpeedEvil | Many of these sort of chips are basically unavailable. |
| 18:06.19 | F4t | seems nvidia intends for it to be sold as a chip... |
| 18:06.30 | SpeedEvil | Well... yes, of course they are. |
| 18:06.49 | SpeedEvil | That doesn't mean they are interested in tiddly OEMs that are only going to buy a few thousand. |
| 18:07.26 | F4t | true, i dont really know how this whole world works, im just wondering if its possible to suggest it to the om ppl |
| 18:07.30 | SpeedEvil | Many vendors will actively discourage small orders. (>100000) |
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| 18:07.38 | SpeedEvil | ft: basically, I doubt it. |
| 18:08.05 | SpeedEvil | f4l3_: it would push GTA03 out even further into the future. |
| 18:08.38 | F4t | gta03 isnt such an amazing boost to hardware to worry about it being avalible further into the future... |
| 18:08.52 | SpeedEvil | GTA03 is perhaps functional hardware. |
| 18:09.03 | SpeedEvil | It's also a very significant boost over current hardware. |
| 18:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't exaggerate your expectations ;-) |
| 18:09.54 | F4t | significant? didnt seem like that to me last time i've read it |
| 18:10.11 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: significant as in it's lost the glamo, and gained an internal accellerator. |
| 18:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 18:10.33 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: and hte chip has gotten a bit faster. |
| 18:10.46 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: I'm not saying it's a 14GHz 16 core device :) |
| 18:10.48 | F4t | that can play 640x480 h264 movies at what speed? (in fps) |
| 18:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | for *now* *that* seems t be correct |
| 18:11.20 | SpeedEvil | f4l3_: The question is - does it really matter if it plays h.264? |
| 18:11.33 | mwester | really *wants* to see a movie on a tiny cellphone screen, rather than on his 52" tv. :P |
| 18:11.44 | SpeedEvil | 640*480 video even is really, really overkill on a 2.8" screen |
| 18:11.45 | F4t | not h.264, tough it could help, but any 640x480 video, it does matter |
| 18:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn't it be cool to have svideo out on GTA03? |
| 18:12.27 | Weiss | i've watched movies on a screen less than half the size of the FR's before - it was surprisingly civilised (and just what i needed for a long boring train journey with many delays) |
| 18:12.29 | F4t | DocScrutinizer, it would :) |
| 18:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | so go suggest it, demand it |
| 18:12.56 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: sure. I'd like the headset jack to be USB/composite/audio myself. |
| 18:12.59 | F4t | no need if it cant play any descent rez movies anyway... |
| 18:13.21 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: the USB connector sucks so bad for docking. |
| 18:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | F4t: it schould be able |
| 18:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | should |
| 18:13.59 | F4t | DocScrutinizer, GTA02 cant play anything larger then 320x240... can you imagine your tv at that resolution? :) |
| 18:14.04 | f4l3_ | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 18:14.19 | f4l3_ | ok, I got it ;) |
| 18:14.21 | SpeedEvil | f4l3_: Oh |
| 18:14.35 | SpeedEvil | f4l3_: I diddn't imagine f4 would be common. :/ |
| 18:14.40 | F4t | lol, sorry my name is so similar... |
| 18:14.45 | f4l3_ | SpeedEvil: me neither ;) |
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| 18:15.56 | SpeedEvil | As to going for a new SoC. |
| 18:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | F4t: I imagine a 6410 being able to do 640*480 at a decent framerate |
| 18:16.13 | SpeedEvil | It would basically be throwing away _all_ the work that's been done on GTA03 so far. |
| 18:16.17 | SpeedEvil | And starting again. |
| 18:16.32 | SpeedEvil | And 4 months down the line, there is going to be another 'Ooooh' chip available. |
| 18:16.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nah, doesn't matter. We did this a couple of times now ;-) |
| 18:17.19 | F4t | SpeedEvil, it would be great if they used any oooh chip... i cant believe playing 640x480 at descent framerate (without codec decoding) is considered descent nowadays... |
| 18:17.31 | SpeedEvil | wants GTA03 without having to go into cryogenic suspension for it. |
| 18:17.38 | SpeedEvil | f4l3_: why? |
| 18:17.47 | SpeedEvil | F4t: it's a phone |
| 18:18.01 | SpeedEvil | F4t: It has a display that is going to be much smaller than 4" |
| 18:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-D |
| 18:18.28 | SpeedEvil | F4t: this is its fundamental role. It's not a media console, or a supercomputer. |
| 18:18.28 | F4t | it has a usb host connector, which makes it a bit more then a phone... |
| 18:19.04 | F4t | im pretty sure a phone doesnt NEED a usb host connection, or am i wrong? |
| 18:19.30 | SpeedEvil | F4t: No, it doesn't. But the USB host was (almost) free. |
| 18:19.43 | SpeedEvil | F4t: the price was perhaps $1.5 in parts. |
| 18:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nnnnnnnot exactly ;-) |
| 18:20.28 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: not? Hmm. 2.5W converter might be a bit more than that I suppose. |
| 18:20.40 | SpeedEvil | Not hugely more, or am I missing something. |
| 18:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 18:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | except design effort maybe |
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| 18:21.32 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes, of course, I carefully said 'in parts'. |
| 18:21.39 | SpeedEvil | Everything else is icky to cost. |
| 18:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 18:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | F4t: we won't change CPU in next future I'd guess |
| 18:22.17 | SpeedEvil | I can't find a price for the tegra chip, so I don't know if it's more expensive or not. |
| 18:22.35 | SpeedEvil | I suspect it would be. |
| 18:22.35 | F4t | Anyway, i just think the tegra soc can solve some space/power consumption problems, and deliver a punch... |
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| 18:23.01 | SpeedEvil | F4t: have you done any electronics design work? |
| 18:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | F4t: what's wrong with space/power of S3C6410? |
| 18:23.22 | SpeedEvil | F4t: have you compared the datasheets of the devices? |
| 18:23.32 | F4t | DocScrutinizer, its missing a gfx accelerator isnt it? |
| 18:23.40 | SpeedEvil | F4t: advertisments are fundamentally advertisments. They lie lots. |
| 18:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's the answer to your question |
| 18:24.45 | F4t | no i havent compared, and no i dont really understand electronics, was just thinking of the idea... |
| 18:24.52 | F4t | seems like its not really practical... |
| 18:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | AFAIK there actually IS some gfx-acc in 6410 |
| 18:25.35 | SpeedEvil | OM has - regrettably - a _tiny_ dev budget, compared to some of the companies that will be targeting this device. |
| 18:25.44 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: IIRC it's 2D+some 3D |
| 18:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 18:25.53 | SpeedEvil | (the tegra device) |
| 18:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | and sourceability is a quite different story |
| 18:26.55 | SpeedEvil | has fired off an email to nvidia, who knows. |
| 18:27.37 | F4t | SpeedEvil, thanks... :) |
| 18:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no use in that. I won't continue work on OM when we change the CPU another time ;-) |
| 18:28.19 | F4t | maybe the nvidia guys would like to help out for some "we like opensource" reason? |
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| 18:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | F4t: help out on what? starting over from scratch, with an architecture nobody in OM ever worked on? |
| 18:29.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: but it's ARM! |
| 18:29.17 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: :) |
| 18:29.26 | F4t | :) |
| 18:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | bah, everything is "ARM" |
| 18:29.51 | F4t | intel isnt arm, is it? |
| 18:29.59 | SpeedEvil | OM should use the STM32. It's only $4, and has all of 20K RAM. |
| 18:30.10 | SpeedEvil | 20K RAM! who could imagine needing more than that. |
| 18:30.20 | F4t | lol |
| 18:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | I don't care if it's arm, it's definitely a different family of SoC |
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| 18:30.31 | SpeedEvil | very |
| 18:30.40 | bumbl | any android expert here? |
| 18:30.49 | mwester | Still the other extreme ("Keep the current badly broken stuff because at least we know how badly horribly broken it is") is bad, too --- the PMU chip, for example. The lack of the MCU is another. |
| 18:31.22 | F4t | oh, mwester, whats ur opinion on the tegra soc? |
| 18:31.45 | mwester | immature |
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| 18:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | waits for mwester to fork his own hw-branch |
| 18:32.03 | Tig| | 'ning all |
| 18:32.13 | mwester | let the vendors with 500,000 units work the bugs out of the tegra soc. |
| 18:32.45 | F4t | ill grow old by then... :-/ |
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| 18:33.05 | quatrox | how can I create desktop launchers in SHR? |
| 18:33.12 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: why must everything be a fork? The problem is that Om has some management (and a kernel dev) that refuse to listen. Frankly, lately I've been laughing my *** off as I note all the times I end up being right after Andy goes off on one of his tears. |
| 18:33.25 | SpeedEvil | passes f4t a trouser rolling machine. |
| 18:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: agree ;-D |
| 18:34.19 | quatrox | symlinks in ~/.e/e/appshadow/ is automatically generated, and if I create them manually, they get deleted |
| 18:34.24 | F4t | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 18:34.27 | FxChiP | hahaha |
| 18:34.33 | mwester | But it is what it is, I guess, so we'll make the best of it. I just need to complain about it once in a while. :P |
| 18:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: go ahead. So I don't need to do ;-) |
| 18:35.37 | mwester | Well, you have to work more closely with Om, but I cannot imagine how frustrating that must be sometimes. |
| 18:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask |
| 18:36.22 | mwester | ;) Some day, though, I'd like to hear the story of whatever it was that triggered your quiz (RC) yesterday! :D |
| 18:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | :P |
| 18:37.09 | FxChiP | What's going on now? |
| 18:37.10 | mwester | thinks someone should write a book about Openmoko some day. |
| 18:37.31 | quatrox | mwester: why not start now |
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| 18:37.49 | quatrox | just collect all wiki pages |
| 18:38.01 | quatrox | and mails |
| 18:38.09 | quatrox | and logs from irc |
| 18:38.13 | quatrox | and publish it |
| 18:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | mwester probably meant another type of book |
| 18:38.18 | mwester | quatrox: No, not the stuff in the wiki. Kinda like "The Soul of a New Machine" book. |
| 18:38.42 | mwester | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_a_New_Machine |
| 18:39.05 | quatrox | ahh... |
| 18:39.19 | Tig| | or "SMS, Cries and smedia spec sheets" |
| 18:39.33 | eolson | mwester: good idea -- i've been thinking about rereading it recently -- and openmoko version would be great :) |
| 18:39.40 | FxChiP | And Glamo NDAs |
| 18:39.44 | mwester | I loved that book... |
| 18:39.45 | quatrox | discovered it is late and need to find xmas presents |
| 18:39.54 | FxChiP | Is the hardware in FR that broke though? |
| 18:39.59 | SpeedEvil | Quadduc: have you looked down the back of the sofa? |
| 18:40.00 | amarsh04 | I never saw that movie Tig| (Sex, Lies and Videotapes) |
| 18:40.03 | SpeedEvil | FxChiP: most isn't |
| 18:40.19 | SpeedEvil | FxChiP: it could be a functional phone apart from two moderately minor issues |
| 18:40.27 | SpeedEvil | FxChiP: GSM buzz, and echo |
| 18:40.30 | FxChiP | "moderately minor?" |
| 18:40.33 | Tig| | amarsh04, not got around to it here but it s a famous title and I needed to parody something :)# |
| 18:40.41 | F4t | SpeedEvil, battery life? |
| 18:40.41 | FxChiP | Wait -- the power isn't the fault of hardware? |
| 18:40.45 | SpeedEvil | FxChiP: the rest can all be sorted in softwarey muhc. |
| 18:40.54 | SpeedEvil | battery life is almost entirely software |
| 18:40.57 | amarsh04 | are there functional phones that use the gsm chip that fr does? |
| 18:41.06 | SpeedEvil | 90% of the poower managment stuff is unimplemented |
| 18:41.09 | amarsh04 | Tig| - it was quite a low budge movie |
| 18:41.19 | FxChiP | Does anyone know *how* to implement the power management stuf thoug |
| 18:41.22 | FxChiP | though* |
| 18:41.23 | mwester | amarsh04: that's a very good question, and one I've wondered from time to time as well! |
| 18:41.28 | amarsh04 | s/budge/budget/ |
| 18:41.35 | Tig| | amarsh04, low budget movie for a low budget phone :) |
| 18:41.53 | mwester | FxChiP: There is much room for experimentation, but yes, the concepts are well understood. |
| 18:42.06 | mwester | FxChiP: the implementation is a real tough job, though. |
| 18:42.14 | FxChiP | mmm |
| 18:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: sounds like the book is already there. |
| 18:42.27 | SpeedEvil | And it's not impossible there may be hardware bugs lurking. |
| 18:42.29 | FxChiP | I didn't mean the how as in how one would go about it, I mean the how as in how one would get the hardware in on it |
| 18:42.37 | mwester | FxChiP: and its complicated immensely by the fact that Om wants to push the changes into the mainstream kernel. |
| 18:42.42 | SpeedEvil | FxChiP: the software drives the hardware |
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| 18:43.17 | mwester | FxChiP: the fundamental concept is to power off or slow-clock as much hardware as you can at any given time. The challenges involve managing that... |
| 18:43.18 | SpeedEvil | FxChiP: consider it as a entry level car. |
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| 18:43.48 | Tig| | mwester, surely someone must have used the gsm chip otherwise why is it about, I mean unless it was a test run there must have been a big product run to get the low volume stock |
| 18:43.52 | SpeedEvil | FxChiP: If you give this car to David Coulthard, then he's going to drive it round a circuit a hell of a lot faster than an untrained 8 year old. |
| 18:43.59 | SpeedEvil | FxChiP: the car is exactly the same. |
| 18:45.20 | amarsh04 | I hated the closed aspect of dial-up modem development - back in the fidonet days those of us who ran bbs's did free interoperability tests for modem manufacturers |
| 18:45.23 | FxChiP | haha |
| 18:46.17 | amarsh04 | also found out that his telco had non-compliant network echo cancellors. Fortunately the telco replaced them with compliant echo cancellors |
| 18:46.37 | FxChiP | haha |
| 18:47.22 | amarsh04 | in my telco's case they spent over a million dollars replacing the non-compliant echo cancellors |
| 18:47.55 | amarsh04 | we take echo cancellation for granted these days except when it doesn't work |
| 18:48.48 | FxChiP | nods |
| 18:48.54 | FxChiP | I like echos |
| 18:48.56 | FxChiP | Mwahaha |
| 18:48.56 | DocScrutinizer | amarsh04: yup, then they are nagging OM why our phone is such a crap |
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| 18:49.53 | Tig| | hmmm, if only I there was a audio in on my FR, could use the GSM chip as a guitar FX gismo :) |
| 18:49.58 | mwester | will happily settle for bluetooth headset support that works well, which will solve both echo and buzz problems at the same time. |
| 18:50.02 | amarsh04 | remembers some free echo cancellation software used by a free telephony project |
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| 18:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: with my last day in TPE I consider buzz and echo as solved issues |
| 18:51.18 | Tig| | still likes his FR and thinks it has probably provided him with his moneys worth of entertainment time :) I just wish I could remember where I have left it :( |
| 18:51.22 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: for existing hardware? |
| 18:51.32 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: or that you won't have to deal with them. |
| 18:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | even for existing hw - yes |
| 18:51.36 | mwester | DocScrutinizer- awesome! |
| 18:51.43 | SpeedEvil | mods? |
| 18:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | (existing hw) It's just a question of marketing and service now. no more technical problem |
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| 18:53.03 | Zorkman | super DocScrutinizer2 |
| 18:53.07 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer i mean |
| 18:53.15 | Zorkman | thanks for all the hard work |
| 18:53.24 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | welcome, that's my job |
| 18:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | I promised to you, didn't I |
| 18:54.15 | Zorkman | but still it's great news to hear :) |
| 18:54.15 | Tig| | DocScrutinizer, woot! thanks! |
| 18:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | well, I'm really sorry but the "no bass on hs" issue still unsolved |
| 18:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | ok, we got more bass on A8 |
| 18:54.51 | Zorkman | thought it was also possible to solder a cap and fix it, am i mistaken? |
| 18:54.55 | SpeedEvil | Use the phone speaker as a subwoofer. |
| 18:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: right |
| 18:55.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-D |
| 18:55.24 | SpeedEvil | 01 has the same bass problem? |
| 18:55.25 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: will that cap fix make it sound like an A8? |
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| 18:55.52 | FxChiP | http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html <-- Thoughts? (Android Dev Phone 1) |
| 18:55.58 | Tig| | this end user is less concerned with music playback bass at the moment :) |
| 18:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest you fix it decent and use a 47uF or even 100uF |
| 18:56.19 | DocScrutinizer | not the 4.7uF we were able to lace to A8 |
| 18:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | Place |
| 18:57.03 | Zorkman | what would give the best result? 100uF or even more? |
| 18:57.48 | Tig| | FxChiP, erm they want me to pay $25 as a dev fee before I can look at more detailed phone specs? |
| 18:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: 100uF really is enough I'd say. gets you sth like 20Hz on a usual hp |
| 18:58.32 | FxChiP | true |
| 18:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: the real problem is we got no more volume free inside the can, toplace decent caps in there |
| 18:59.48 | Zorkman | ok, thanks DocScrutinizer |
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| 19:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | but prrobably after buzz now bass is my next project ;-) |
| 19:01.01 | SpeedEvil | So buzz was configurable out with mixer settings? |
| 19:01.05 | SpeedEvil | Or something more exotic? |
| 19:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I always told there'S no way to eliminate buzz via mixer settings |
| 19:01.46 | SpeedEvil | Yes, you did. |
| 19:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | We take the ripple off MICBIAS with a big C for a5/6/7, and we have some beads for A8 |
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| 19:02.54 | SpeedEvil | Oh - so it's hardware mod |
| 19:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 19:03.03 | SpeedEvil | right. |
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| 19:06.57 | henk | downloads.freesmartphone.org is down, does anyone know who is responsible? or perhaps knows how to contact rod whitby? according to the wiki he maintains the images there... |
| 19:08.13 | azaghal | quatrox: Did you get the answer about adding application to desktop from someone already? (if not, I can provide the answer :) |
| 19:12.17 | Digital_Pioneer | Hey, how do I get the IMEI number for my FR? |
| 19:12.29 | SpeedEvil | It's under the battery isn't it? |
| 19:12.54 | Digital_Pioneer | IDK. :) |
| 19:13.07 | bumbl | !seen morphis |
| 19:13.08 | cdbot2 | I found 5 matches to your query (sorted): morphis_ morphis morphis|feiern morphis|afk morphis|essen. morphis_ (n=morphis@p54898097.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 20 hours, 15 minutes ago stating (Client Quit). |
| 19:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | Digital_Pioneer: *#06# |
| 19:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 19:17.54 | Digital_Pioneer | DocScrutinizer: That's what they told me, but when I used it, dialer crashed. |
| 19:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 19:18.28 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm sure I did something stupid, but please, tell me what it was. :P |
| 19:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | no idea. use the wrong dialer? |
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| 19:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | use it now, instead of waiting another year? ;-) |
| 19:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | the modem can do it |
| 19:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | so when the dialer crashed, I'd file a bug against this particuar dialer |
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| 19:22.05 | Digital_Pioneer | DocScrutinizer: Openmoko-dialer? |
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| 19:22.55 | quatrox | azaghal: I don't think so |
| 19:25.22 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * raf4a94a2016e 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: [QUALCOMM MSM] new modem abstraction based on singleline |
| 19:29.29 | azaghal | quatrox: Add a .desktop entry in ~/.local/share/applications |
| 19:29.53 | Digital_Pioneer | DocScrutinizer: According to term output, the resource is not enabled. Is this because the phone has no SIM?... |
| 19:30.51 | azaghal | quatrox: In /usr/share/applications you can see some samples on how the .desktop files look like :) |
| 19:31.00 | Digital_Pioneer | How can I dial *#06# if the dialer crashes with it? :P Is there a CLI dialer I can use? (I already got the IMEI from beneath the battery, but still want to know how to dial for it) |
| 19:31.01 | quatrox | azaghal: not appshadow? |
| 19:31.04 | azaghal | Nope |
| 19:31.24 | azaghal | I've spent some time playing with the same thing, so in the end I put them there :) |
| 19:31.45 | quatrox | azaghal: thanks:) |
| 19:31.48 | azaghal | In fact, you'll notice that most .desktop entries from /usr/share/applications appear on the desktop ;) |
| 19:31.50 | azaghal | Np |
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| 19:34.22 | quatrox | azaghal: how does e know about this? |
| 19:34.31 | quatrox | do I need to restart something? |
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| 19:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | mickey|tv: could you help out with getting IMEI from calypso? |
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| 19:41.00 | jopk | hi |
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| 19:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: ? |
| 19:41.18 | jopk | how can I make the bluetooth on my freerunner visible for my laptop? |
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| 19:42.37 | azaghal | quatrox: I think it'll add the entry on-the-fly. |
| 19:43.11 | quatrox | azaghal: it does if I place it in .e/e/appshadow/ |
| 19:43.17 | quatrox | but not now |
| 19:43.31 | azaghal | Well, you could put the file in both places then, I guess. |
| 19:43.38 | azaghal | What I know for sure it's not lost on reboot :) |
| 19:44.36 | quatrox | well, appshadow is lost whenever e updates it |
| 19:44.51 | azaghal | Yes, but it'll be populated from the .local/share/applications |
| 19:45.04 | azaghal | (in addition to system-wide /usr/share/applications) |
| 19:45.17 | quatrox | really? |
| 19:45.34 | quatrox | ok |
| 19:45.45 | quatrox | then I guess there is a different problem |
| 19:46.30 | quatrox | because there is a few apps that e does not populate to appshadow |
| 19:46.47 | azaghal | Ah, actually, it's normal :) |
| 19:46.51 | quatrox | and when I create the symlink manually, I get a working launcher |
| 19:47.11 | azaghal | They NoDisplay=true in .desktop :) |
| 19:47.14 | azaghal | I think. |
| 19:47.18 | quatrox | ohh |
| 19:47.19 | azaghal | *They have |
| 19:47.48 | azaghal | Btw, you can create the .desktop file with the same name in .local.... and it'll override the system-wide one. |
| 19:47.58 | quatrox | well |
| 19:48.04 | Digital_Pioneer | "The name org.openmoko.dialer was not provided by any service files" <-- What?? |
| 19:48.10 | quatrox | try to install openmoko-agpsui |
| 19:48.20 | quatrox | or battery.py |
| 19:48.20 | mwester | henk: maintainer notified. |
| 19:48.35 | henk | mwester: thanks |
| 19:49.48 | azaghal | quatrox: I should install that, or someone else? |
| 19:50.23 | quatrox | azaghal: sorry, I forgot to specify your nick |
| 19:50.42 | azaghal | Do I have to? I'm in Debian atm (on Neo) :) |
| 19:50.51 | quatrox | azaghal: ahh |
| 19:50.54 | azaghal | quatrox: Post me the contents of their .desktop files in pastebin ;) |
| 19:51.11 | azaghal | But the .local/share/applications thing is for Neo (i.e. I added there entries and it worked) |
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| 19:54.46 | jopk | how can I set the bluetooth on the freerunner to visible mode? |
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| 20:03.14 | Tig| | jopk, after a quick skim of the usual places it is not an obvious quiestion |
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| 20:05.04 | Tig| | actually it might be visible by default |
| 20:05.06 | jopk | the freerunner finds the bluetooth device of my laptop (ubuntu) but not the other way round |
| 20:05.40 | Tig| | hmm |
| 20:06.11 | Tig| | can't help here much until I find my damn phone |
| 20:11.51 | mwester | Tig|: check the local hockey arena. |
| 20:13.59 | Tig| | aarf :) |
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| 20:21.41 | stu8ball | Hi all. |
| 20:22.40 | Tig| | hi stu8ball |
| 20:22.53 | stu8ball | Those boots that the Om2008 shows when it's 'booting', where can I get that image on the Internet? |
| 20:23.09 | stu8ball | Would like to use it when booting my computer. |
| 20:23.17 | stu8ball | I assume it's Freely licensed etc. |
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| 20:23.34 | mwester | downloads.freesmartphone.org is back up. |
| 20:24.28 | Tig| | stu8ball, more than likely the source will be in the commit logs or if you are lucky raster may be around |
| 20:25.51 | stu8ball | k |
| 20:26.31 | Tig| | apologies if that sounded abrupt :( |
| 20:26.48 | stu8ball | Nope. |
| 20:26.55 | stu8ball | Thanks. |
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| 20:50.12 | leinir | i know this is pretty off-topic, but does anyone know if/why i should avoid this? :) |
| 20:50.13 | leinir | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CAR-COMPUTER-VIA-C3-NEHEMIA-1-0GHZ-512MB-40GB-TV-TUNER_W0QQitemZ110322090013QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item110322090013&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 |
| 20:53.04 | Tig| | leinir, thinking of my eee pc you might want to make sure you ca upgrade the ram |
| 20:53.59 | leinir | The chipset supports up to 2 gigs of ram... |
| 20:54.36 | leinir | So that looks good :) |
| 21:01.28 | azaghal | Tig|: How much RAM does Eee have again? |
| 21:02.16 | Tig| | the 701 comes with 512 but it is about £28 for a 2 gig module and 2 mins to swap it |
| 21:02.44 | azaghal | Or you could run something light-weight, like Openbox or Fluxbox or Xfce4 :) |
| 21:03.11 | Tig| | azaghal, for the cost you could do both |
| 21:03.39 | azaghal | Ah, but what if you're cheap? ;) |
| 21:04.08 | Tig| | I use my eee as a full blown lappy I don't expect anything less of it |
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| 21:18.12 | quatrox | how can I get the backlight on on TS events? |
| 21:18.23 | quatrox | it worked before, but stopped after an update |
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| 21:25.17 | phobie | I installed the latest SHR but frameworkd failes with "ValueError: bad marshal data". |
| 21:25.23 | phobie | Is that a known error? |
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| 21:38.43 | phobie | its the copy module |
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| 21:49.00 | phobie | reinstalling python-core with opkg helped |
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| 21:49.31 | phobie | could that be the result of a bad flash or filedownload? |
| 21:50.04 | phobie | we need md5sums on the download-sites |
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| 21:55.11 | ledzgio | hi |
| 21:55.36 | ledzgio | k |
| 21:56.48 | ledzgio | how can i hide/show the wifi connection icon in the bar on OM2008.12?? |
| 21:57.40 | ledzgio | hey |
| 22:00.33 | phobie | settings --> display --> shelf gadgets |
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| 22:42.50 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, openmoko-dialer dies with: "Failed to handle dbus error: type: <class 'framework.resource.ResourceNotEnabled'>, 69 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32" |
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| 23:28.26 | mujo | hi, my freerunner wont power-up anymore, could it be because its battery was fully discharged? As explained here:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Can.27t_boot_with_discharged_or_missing_battery |
| 23:28.58 | mujo | I mean there isnt the kernel panic'ing. Nothing shows up... |
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| 23:42.44 | slaxxin | 2008.12 shows no gsm service an i made a good call |
| 23:48.55 | feitingen | something seems to be up with the usb ethernet thing on the newest images, i cant reach the phones ip... |
| 23:49.22 | kirun | I got that first time, restarted the phone and it worked |
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| 23:53.14 | muxe | hey! earlier today I flashed 2008.12 but i didn't manage to install illume keyboard. anybody here knows what I have to do? I followed the instructions, which worked perfectly for 2008.9 |
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| 23:56.13 | ab0oo | is it taboo to ask about andriod on GTA02 hardware in here? |
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