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| 00:05.26 | sicu | i keep getting: [ERROR: Please set the 'CACHE' variable.] when trying to bitbake -c clean, anybody know how to solve this? |
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| 00:15.11 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add support for sms-submit-reports and return timestamps |
| 00:15.11 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: When sending an SMS an sms-submit-report is returned which includes a |
| 00:15.11 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: timestamp. This is the time when the Short Message Service Center |
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| 00:15.17 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: format (WARNING, API breakage!) |
| 00:15.39 | Digital_Pioneer | So can anyone tell me why ScummVM has such crappy mouse positioning? I put the stylus on the screen, and the mouse goes half the screen away! |
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| 00:50.16 | orzo | does anybody here use usb host mode? |
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| 03:58.29 | khaije1 | so are there any desktop gui libs that are good/appropriate for mobile apps? of does everything need to be done in mobile oriented gui kits? |
| 04:01.34 | mpr | efl?-) |
| 04:02.46 | khaije1 | thats what im wondering, or more specifically about wxpython |
| 04:03.18 | mpr | what's wxpython got to do with efl? |
| 04:04.23 | mpr | seems that wxpython is just a python wrapper for wxwidgets? |
| 04:04.45 | raster | whatever you like to use |
| 04:04.48 | raster | me.. i like efl... |
| 04:04.54 | raster | but... i'm biased |
| 04:07.08 | mpr | is someone actually using wxwidgets for mobile stuff? |
| 04:07.35 | mpr | or for anything, my understanding is that it's not seen much activity in the last 5 years? |
| 04:08.23 | raster | some people use it |
| 04:08.36 | raster | but xwwidgets i think now uses gtk underneath - irght? |
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| 04:10.56 | raster | or more exactly on unix it uses gtk |
| 04:10.59 | raster | or something |
| 04:11.01 | raster | not sure |
| 04:11.18 | raster | it also has its own widget drawing engine |
| 04:11.58 | mpr | I think it can run either on top of gtk or directly on x11 |
| 04:12.00 | mpr | not sure |
| 04:12.46 | raster | dunno |
| 04:12.51 | raster | dont much mind what xw does |
| 04:12.54 | raster | got my own stuff |
| 04:12.55 | raster | :) |
| 04:13.26 | mpr | since it's cross-platform it has multiple backends anyway, the windows stuff sure as hell isn't using gtk :) |
| 04:14.26 | raster | i'll stick to efl :) |
| 04:14.34 | mpr | but still the widget set is 10 years old and looks like it |
| 04:14.39 | raster | yeah |
| 04:14.45 | raster | looks dated |
| 04:14.58 | raster | any wx apps i've seen felt clunky |
| 04:15.42 | raster | reminds me |
| 04:15.50 | raster | i need to write a wiki page about elementary |
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| 04:21.25 | mwester | emacs is a lot older than 10 years, and is still the best doggone UI for a text editor that exists. :P |
| 04:21.34 | mwester | is not a fan of eye candy. |
| 04:22.09 | mwester | thought SunWindows was perfectly usable as a UI, and it ran very nicely on a *nix-based box with a grand total of 4MB of RAM. |
| 04:22.25 | raster | mwester: bah! when i was your age we didnt have text editors! we'd write out code using twigs and pebbles! |
| 04:22.35 | mwester | hehe! |
| 04:22.48 | mwester | Well, I was around when dirt was invented! |
| 04:24.30 | raster | bah! dirt! that was an upgrade when that was invented! |
| 04:24.55 | raster | before dirt we had dreams of one day having dirt! |
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| 04:27.46 | Dave | :o |
| 04:27.55 | Dave | Mmm.... dirty |
| 04:29.46 | raster | you dirty man! |
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| 04:29.58 | raster | who wants me to write a bit of an elementary tutorial? |
| 04:30.43 | sicu | raises both hands |
| 04:30.58 | Dave | For what? |
| 04:31.10 | sicu | for that elementary tutorial |
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| 04:31.54 | sicu | or was it because i obtained enlightenment... |
| 04:31.56 | sicu | not sure |
| 04:33.06 | raster | hehehhee |
| 04:33.09 | raster | will do it |
| 04:33.14 | raster | finished toolbar widget |
| 04:33.17 | raster | well not finished |
| 04:33.20 | raster | it can be tweaked to be better |
| 04:33.22 | raster | but it works |
| 04:33.53 | raster | now... to write it up |
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| 04:36.36 | sicu | i hear there's a browser widget in the workings as well =] |
| 04:39.36 | Dave | browser... widget? |
| 04:39.39 | Dave | what? :p |
| 04:44.12 | sicu | s/widget/module/ |
| 04:44.22 | sicu | hehe ... it's getting late ;p |
| 04:44.36 | sicu | or early ... 05:44 :/ |
| 04:49.36 | genesis | could anyone be polite enough help me with a FDOM install? |
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| 05:04.05 | Dave | :D |
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| 05:11.31 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.08 | drjnut | genesis, what does it have to do with "being polite"? "being nice", yes... |
| 05:15.26 | mwester | or even "being able" ... |
| 05:15.26 | drjnut | raster, about that tutorial, count me in the readers |
| 05:15.54 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4878 10/trunk/src/host/toolchain-scripts/ (11 files in 3 dirs): toolchain-scripts: get organized a bit. |
| 05:16.00 | drjnut | mwester, and sometimes "being sober" |
| 05:16.00 | genesis | SD |
| 05:16.12 | mwester | drjnut: :-O !! |
| 05:16.15 | mwester | :P |
| 05:16.32 | drjnut | ;) |
| 05:16.48 | drjnut | ROMYCL |
| 05:17.09 | drjnut | Rocking on my chair laughing |
| 05:17.23 | drjnut | ROMCL actually |
| 05:17.42 | Dave | don't fall ;) |
| 05:18.17 | drjnut | raster, additionally, a simple diagram explaining the goal will be great for having people adopt it |
| 05:18.40 | raster | diagram for adopting? |
| 05:18.45 | drjnut | elementary |
| 05:18.51 | raster | like? |
| 05:19.01 | drjnut | huh |
| 05:19.34 | raster | u mean a block-digram of system layers? |
| 05:19.45 | drjnut | yeah, something like that |
| 05:19.49 | raster | (ie marketing crap thast mostly means nothing as they are always innacurate) |
| 05:19.58 | drjnut | not this kind of crap |
| 05:20.21 | drjnut | I read about efl recently and the connected bubble diagram is fine there |
| 05:20.50 | drjnut | the one that shows of evas, ecore and such are using each other |
| 05:21.00 | drjnut | s/of/how/ |
| 05:21.36 | raster | elementary is just another bubble with more thgns extending out to the other efl bubble bits |
| 05:21.37 | raster | :) |
| 05:21.42 | raster | its all reptty simple |
| 05:21.42 | raster | :) |
| 05:21.44 | raster | pretty |
| 05:22.23 | drjnut | reptty simple : "as simple as replicating consoles..." ;) |
| 05:23.24 | drjnut | anyway, forget about the diagram, do whatever you want, I know we'll end up with something good |
| 05:27.29 | linuxxr | gosh u ran em off |
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| 07:29.57 | khaije1 | hi, i was asking about gui toolkits before because i was wondering if there were any thata worked well on a desktop and a device like the GTA ? |
| 07:30.19 | cjb | khaije1: GTK |
| 07:31.06 | khaije1 | is that the only/best choice? i'm trying to get a lay of the land |
| 07:32.35 | cjb | I think it's the best, not sure what others would be |
| 07:32.39 | cjb | e.g. tangogps is written using it |
| 07:33.31 | khaije1 | is it all gtk or are branches used, like hildon or GMAE ? |
| 07:37.46 | cjb | it depends on the OM distro you're running, I guess |
| 07:37.55 | cjb | but pretty much all of them support plain GTK |
| 07:42.03 | gecco | etk is better |
| 07:44.15 | gecco | more cool and more fast |
| 07:46.10 | khaije1 | i'm wondering about something that is appropriate for desktop as well though |
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| 07:47.29 | khaije1 | is etk complex in comparison to gtk or qt ? |
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| 07:48.14 | raster | what app are you making? |
| 07:49.29 | khaije1 | i have a list of several i'd like to write, but none in particular atm |
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| 07:50.09 | khaije1 | i am teaching myself python partially in hopes of being able to write apps for the OM |
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| 07:53.18 | raster | well |
| 07:53.37 | raster | asking that is like asking "i'm going to build somethng - what screwdriver should i use?" |
| 07:53.38 | raster | :) |
| 07:53.50 | raster | you really should have an idea what before you go select your tools |
| 07:54.15 | khaije1 | thats true, i have a list but idk where it is atm :) |
| 07:58.22 | khaije1 | it's not something i'll need to be able to use right away, i'm just asking because i started playing with pyQT then later found out it's not fully gpl'd |
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| 08:21.00 | raster | khaije1: well it depends what u want |
| 08:21.05 | raster | pygtk wqill work everywhere |
| 08:21.14 | raster | u can try pyefl (includes etk) |
| 08:21.17 | raster | not sure what else |
| 08:21.53 | khaije1 | o i didnt know there was a pyefl... |
| 08:22.04 | raster | well it gcovers etk, evas, edj etc. |
| 08:22.06 | raster | edje |
| 08:22.26 | khaije1 | i got the impression that efl is sort of the 'favored' toolkit for OM, is that accurate? |
| 08:22.37 | raster | i have no comment |
| 08:22.39 | raster | :) |
| 08:22.42 | raster | i'm biased |
| 08:22.43 | raster | :) |
| 08:23.05 | khaije1 | i have to admit i'm not sure what some of that stuff is 'evas, edj, etc' |
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| 08:24.06 | raster | freaky mojo |
| 08:25.09 | khaije1 | hah if i built my own gui toolkit i wouldn't even be asking :) |
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| 09:34.30 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:34.48 | henk | khaije1: not afaict |
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| 09:39.29 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd0ce96e0b1eb 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/ (generic.py lowlevel.py): ousaged: check if we woke up due to battery low; trigger emergency shutdown if so |
| 09:39.29 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2965b931f469 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 09:39.30 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ousaged: Check resume reason and launch emergency shutdown, if we |
| 09:39.31 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: woke up due to low battery. NOTE: This is only supported on Openmoko |
| 09:39.33 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: devices now. As there is no standard infrastructure for that in the |
| 09:39.35 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: kernel, we have to deal with device-specific solutions in lowlevel.py |
| 09:42.16 | f3ew | sighs |
| 09:42.23 | f3ew | I just updated my freerunner |
| 09:42.33 | f3ew | and now it appears to suspend itself |
| 09:42.40 | zash__ | OH NOES! |
| 09:43.17 | f3ew | heh |
| 09:43.25 | f3ew | resets battery |
| 09:47.53 | khaije1 | f3ew: intelligent machines? next stop... SKYNET!!!! |
| 09:48.38 | khaije1 | any OM programmers in chan atm? i'm wondering what the gui toolkits of choice are? |
| 09:49.02 | khaije1 | so far i know efl, and gtk, is it mainly those two? |
| 09:49.18 | f3ew | Suspend is in unknown status |
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| 09:51.13 | ieatlint | there's efl, gtk and qt included in all the images (except qte/qtopia, which is just qt) |
| 09:51.28 | ieatlint | in theory you could compile any other toolkit you wanted for it |
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| 09:56.39 | ieatlint | efl is often used because prebuilt widgets are designed for use with keyboard/mouse, and do not always work with with a touchscreen |
| 09:57.46 | ieatlint | custom widgets are possible in qt, gtk, but efl doesn't emphasise its widget library nearly as much, and it's gui builder works on a markup language that allows you to create scalable interfaces |
| 09:58.03 | ieatlint | (it's also faster and less resource intensive) |
| 09:58.15 | ieatlint | there's your plug raster :P |
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| 10:12.18 | khaije1 | ok, good perspective, thanks ieatlint, thats exactly the sortof thing i was wondering about |
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| 10:13.05 | khaije1 | do you know where i might find the pyEFL raster mentioned earlier? google just kicked me in the nuts |
| 10:13.39 | ieatlint | yeah, efl, like all toolkits, has a little bit of a learning curve... and sadly, efl's docs are all over the place... sometimes referencing deprecated things, or not including new things |
| 10:16.54 | khaije1 | thats too bad... btw what version are ppl using w/ current devel? |
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| 10:17.12 | khaije1 | it's sometimes unclear to me the maturity of each version |
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| 10:19.08 | ieatlint | heh, impressively crazy to find much on the python bindings... |
| 10:19.47 | ieatlint | for hardware interaction with the device, you likely want to look at FSO |
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| 10:21.15 | ieatlint | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/BINDINGS/python for the bindings, and http://staff.get-e.org/~barbieri/python-efl-api/ contains an auto-generated doc of them |
| 10:21.33 | khaije1 | it looks at first glance there is some docs re: python and efl at the maemo project as well |
| 10:21.35 | khaije1 | thanks |
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| 10:21.49 | ieatlint | it's not going to be too user friendly i'm afraid... it's rather simple, but terribly documented :P |
| 10:22.14 | ieatlint | if you dig out fso's zhone, it |
| 10:22.20 | ieatlint | 's python efl |
| 10:22.26 | ieatlint | and might give you some basic examples |
| 10:22.38 | KenSentMe | How do i start a gui application from terminal in SHR? |
| 10:25.01 | KenSentMe | I mean, when i'm connected via ssh. Now i get a gtk warning: cannot open display |
| 10:25.30 | ieatlint | try running this before it: export DISPLAY=":0.0" |
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| 10:26.31 | khaije1 | thx ieatlint, do you know of any other python efl apps? (as an example i'd prefer to start a step simpler) |
| 10:27.38 | ieatlint | uhm... i'm afraid i don't... you might be able to use google to find something, or if raster wanders around again, he might now |
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| 10:31.56 | khaije1 | you mentioned that efl scales well, i assume you mean visually and resource-wise? |
| 10:32.37 | ieatlint | i've not tried resource wise, i meant visually |
| 10:33.11 | khaije1 | in the wikipedia article it says efl is raster rather than vector based, isnt that a general detriment? |
| 10:33.58 | ieatlint | i don't know enough to answer that question, hehe |
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| 10:38.17 | khaije1 | i don't either, obviously. it just caught my eye because i hear so much emphasis placed on vector based this and vector based that :-) |
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| 10:55.50 | khaije1 | ieatlint: is there a enlightenment chan, or a better place to ask about these things? |
| 10:58.35 | khaije1 | nm nm it forwarded me to #e |
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| 11:26.29 | jonkristian | The om2008.12 promised paroli, and im still winding up with that ugly qt interface of a dialer:/ It lacks a terminal and I can't ssh to it, good going. |
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| 11:28.48 | ceupers_ | any idea when the echo-bug is expected to be solved? |
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| 11:30.03 | henk | jonkristian: you can install a terminal can't you? |
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| 11:31.41 | jonkristian | henk: not if i can't connect the phone i can't |
| 11:32.06 | henk | jonkristian: try ssh again after a reboot. |
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| 11:32.37 | henk | jonkristian: does only ssh not work or don't you get a connection on usb0? |
| 11:33.14 | jonkristian | pressing the power was not a good idea |
| 11:33.31 | henk | suspended and not waking up again? |
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| 11:33.40 | jonkristian | looks like it |
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| 11:36.08 | jonkristian | ssh works now |
| 11:36.23 | jonkristian | after rebooting |
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| 11:39.49 | tbk | Hi, how can I set the clock in the latest SHR distro? Thanks |
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| 11:48.22 | Fragggy | tbk: Have you tried date? |
| 11:48.37 | tbk | yes but what's the format SHR is using? |
| 11:48.46 | tbk | taht's my problem right now! |
| 11:49.34 | Fragggy | I set mine with this format: date -s MMDDhhmm |
| 11:50.29 | Fragggy | For me it works on testing. Have not tried unstable yet |
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| 11:56.26 | bumbl | it willwork with unstable too |
| 11:56.26 | tbk | yesp it did work! Thanks! I was doing the same but used YYYYMMDDhhmm and was getting an error! |
| 11:56.29 | bumbl | don't forget |
| 11:56.37 | bumbl | hwclock --systohc |
| 11:57.06 | tbk | yes I did that |
| 11:57.08 | tbk | Thanks |
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| 12:50.51 | bumbl | !seen morphis |
| 12:50.52 | cdbot2 | morphis (n=morphis@p5489AD0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 2 days, 15 hours, 10 minutes ago stating (Remote closed the connection). |
| 12:51.16 | bumbl | good boy cdbot2 |
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| 14:04.52 | white_gecko | hello |
| 14:05.05 | white_gecko | where can i find the shr feeds? is need a packages from there |
| 14:06.50 | white_gecko | namly i search for libgthread-2.0-0 |
| 14:07.03 | white_gecko | namely |
| 14:07.27 | GNUtoo | white_gecko, http://rafb.net/p/Sj3KG048.html |
| 14:08.27 | white_gecko | ah thankyou |
| 14:09.44 | white_gecko | wonderfull i have it |
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| 14:21.33 | emil_s | Hi all! Is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing the most up-to-date tutorial, or is there any "better" way to update the firmware? |
| 14:27.29 | lindi- | emil_s: you have problematic 3g sim? |
| 14:27.52 | emil_s | lindi-: Yepp (#666) |
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| 15:10.31 | janrikard | I have SHR on my moko and when i start tangoGPS it says "no GPS found", when i lokk there is a process fso-gpsd running. |
| 15:10.31 | janrikard | do I have to do something special to get the gps running? or is just taking long time to get signal? |
| 15:12.17 | linuxxr | just wait 30 minuits |
| 15:12.26 | janrikard | ok |
| 15:12.36 | linuxxr | i have the same problem on latest |
| 15:13.00 | linuxxr | might need to go outside |
| 15:13.17 | janrikard | can i somehow se that its working?, see some sort of signal? |
| 15:13.35 | Weiss | does fso-gpsd do some kind of processing which plain gpsd doesn't? |
| 15:13.50 | Weiss | with plain gpsd, "no GPS found" means "couldn't find gpsd" |
| 15:14.06 | Weiss | whereas if gpsd is there but no fix, you get zeroes everywhere |
| 15:14.26 | Weiss | being outside is *essential* to getting a fix (at the very least, it needs to be up against a window) |
| 15:15.16 | Weiss | janrikard: run it from a shell to see its output? |
| 15:16.08 | janrikard | fso-gpsd ? |
| 15:16.08 | janrikard | I try |
| 15:16.45 | Weiss | i really meant tangogps |
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| 15:16.55 | Weiss | then you can see if it's complaining about not being able to connect to gpsd |
| 15:18.27 | janrikard | I try that |
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| 15:21.16 | janrikard | Weiss: the last thing that comes up is "reconnecting to gpsd" and in tangoGPS it say "no GPS found" |
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| 15:27.11 | janrikard | Weiss: it could be problem in my image, i found a conversation on the maillist about same error |
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| 15:47.39 | Dave | Anyone think taking my freerunner with me sledding is a particularly bad idea? :p |
| 15:47.58 | ezekiel-v3 | does |
| 15:48.32 | Weiss | Dave: use the GPS to see how fast you go |
| 15:48.46 | ezekiel-v3 | too precious. besides - an iPhone would probably slide down snow/ice better than the delightfully-grippy freerunner |
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| 15:55.48 | linuxxr | dave has spares |
| 15:56.02 | bumbl | yep |
| 15:56.08 | bumbl | Dave: film the result |
| 15:56.21 | bumbl | and scap the display |
| 15:56.27 | Dave | Weiss, sounds dangerous |
| 15:56.48 | Dave | Weiss, problem is, I'd have to adapt my bike mount for the sled |
| 15:56.58 | Dave | and even that could never be that secure |
| 15:57.06 | Dave | I could always just have it in my pocket, but still... |
| 15:57.17 | Dave | myself AND the sled tend to fly off in different directions... :P |
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| 15:57.27 | Dave | bumble, I'll try |
| 15:57.36 | linuxxr | lets zoom in on dave an see him slide |
| 15:57.41 | bumbl | hahaa |
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| 15:57.59 | Dave | haha I'll put little skis on my freerunner and push it down a hill and film that :P |
| 15:58.27 | bumbl | haha |
| 15:58.57 | linuxxr | dont do it Dave |
| 15:59.24 | Dave | It's a trap? |
| 15:59.36 | Dave | man, it'll only be a $350 loss? |
| 15:59.36 | linuxxr | update set to 1 second |
| 15:59.44 | Dave | so long as I don't break any bones... |
| 15:59.48 | Dave | ;D |
| 15:59.50 | linuxxr | yup |
| 16:00.00 | Dave | but the footage will be well worth it, right? :P |
| 16:00.01 | Dave | aha |
| 16:00.08 | linuxxr | freerunner crashes into dave |
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| 16:00.14 | Dave | I can see it now... "Open source phone takes flight" |
| 16:00.16 | Dave | giggles |
| 16:00.25 | bumbl | haha |
| 16:00.30 | Dave | linuxxr, that'll probably be what causes me the greater bodily injury :p |
| 16:00.36 | Dave | bumble, yeah, literally :P |
| 16:00.55 | GNUtoo | or you could put little skis on the neo robot: http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3fAHFNs2c |
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| 16:01.09 | Dave | :O |
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| 16:01.15 | Dave | I read about that on the ml |
| 16:01.51 | bumbl | Dave: and beware of lazy lulu - she might apply this idea |
| 16:02.05 | Dave | :o |
| 16:02.19 | bumbl | "Flying Phone kills local Dave" |
| 16:02.28 | Dave | Not I! |
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| 16:06.59 | emil_s | What is the best way to reduce the echo when calling today? Installing QT-Extended, or is there any solution for Om2008.12? |
| 16:07.19 | SpeedEvil | BT headset, or wired headset |
| 16:10.20 | emil_s | SpeedEvil: Ah, so there isn't any good (software) solution yet? |
| 16:10.49 | SpeedEvil | The echo is a physical echo as far as I understand it. |
| 16:11.01 | SpeedEvil | it's feedback - mechanical - between the speaker and mic |
| 16:11.26 | SpeedEvil | I think turning down the mic or speaker, and either pressing it against your ear harder, or speaking louder will work |
| 16:12.50 | emil_s | ok, but i read something about some "echo-pach" some month ago? |
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| 16:13.28 | emil_s | Maybe not perfectly working, but probably better than nothing |
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| 16:15.02 | emil_s | Btw, is there any problems with BT-headsets, or does any generic headset just work? |
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| 16:16.01 | SpeedEvil | A generic one should work if any do. |
| 16:16.07 | SpeedEvil | However, I'm unsure. |
| 16:16.12 | SpeedEvil | (if any work) |
| 16:16.21 | SpeedEvil | it'll vary with software stack I imagine. |
| 16:17.18 | emil_s | okok, google may know. ;) Thanks! |
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| 16:23.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | burrrp |
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| 16:26.00 | Dave | :o |
| 16:26.10 | Dave | Joerg, did you eat a freerunner? :P |
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| 16:27.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: swallowed half a fab today |
| 16:28.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | now i'll try to get thoroughly soaked |
| 16:29.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | in tpe (know how to do that in europe) |
| 16:32.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | quick poll: how many of the inclined listeners are able to tell me, how long it takes to charhe a 100uF via 2k2? |
| 16:33.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | first 3 with correct answer win a beer |
| 16:33.21 | Dave | :D |
| 16:33.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | *charGe |
| 16:33.54 | Dave | Joerg, you didn't have to sit through another engineering ethics and patent/copyright seminar |
| 16:34.09 | Dave | for which I am being tested on at the end |
| 16:34.25 | Dave | haha it's funny because OM could learn a thing or two from it :p |
| 16:34.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | bzzzzzz, wrong answer |
| 16:34.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
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| 16:36.21 | mwester | DocScrutinizer2: Insufficient information :P |
| 16:36.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | i'm ok with one tau |
| 16:37.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | though usual rule of thumb is 99% |
| 16:37.49 | mwester | The mark of a true engineer: rules of thumb! |
| 16:38.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | yeah, as we can't deal with infinity ;Ãl |
| 16:38.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | err ;-) |
| 16:39.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'm listenig |
| 16:39.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | wikipedia is your friend |
| 16:39.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | no beer? |
| 16:39.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'll make that e beer |
| 16:39.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | 3 |
| 16:40.13 | mwester | That'd be cheating... and I confess that it would take me a while to try to remember my old classwork. |
| 16:41.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | thats moot when fab tells U "u built shit" |
| 16:41.44 | mwester | Well, true -- then it gets into the utterly practical realm once again. |
| 16:42.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | everything allowed. result all that counts |
| 16:42.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | c'mon |
| 16:42.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | 4 beer |
| 16:43.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | from now on its down to 3 again |
| 16:43.22 | linuxxr | farming out your homework Doc? |
| 16:43.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah, thats a poll |
| 16:43.43 | linuxxr | ooo yea your the teacher |
| 16:43.50 | linuxxr | sorry |
| 16:43.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | I know the answer |
| 16:44.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | needed to know today |
| 16:44.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | "mic doesnt work for 18sec" |
| 16:45.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | U startbto sweat |
| 16:46.06 | linuxxr | in order to stop hunderds of om programmers from fumbling through there notes at the same time ,, tell us Doc |
| 16:46.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | nope, wont |
| 16:46.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | there's still 9 beers to claim |
| 16:47.06 | linuxxr | an the winner is? |
| 16:47.10 | linuxxr | Doc |
| 16:47.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | 8'm already paid for knowing this |
| 16:48.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | another hint: wikipedia "R-C lowpass, charge" |
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| 16:49.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | ok, maybe I expect too much of my contemporary similar liveforms |
| 16:50.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | gawd, it's really that hard??? |
| 16:52.30 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: 42 |
| 16:53.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | that's the bottle of ABSOLUT :Ãl |
| 16:53.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
| 16:53.15 | sicu | ;p |
| 16:53.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | pick it up at 25C3 |
| 16:54.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | new ideas are ebtter tha FUD anyway |
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| 16:55.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | so sorry, the answer is: ¥=R*C, 99% = 5¥" |
| 16:56.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | and now we continue our program with "room18, the big soak" |
| 16:56.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | poll closed |
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| 17:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC-Glied#Ladevorgang |
| 17:02.21 | linuxxr | no free beer today:) |
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| 17:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | [2008-12-20 00:33:55] <Dave> Joerg, you didn't have to sit through another engineering ethics and patent/copyright seminar |
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| 17:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: my day wasn't any easier |
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| 17:11.47 | dingman | Anyone here have 2008.12 booting off of an SD card? |
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| 17:12.07 | kobh | hai |
| 17:12.12 | kobh | new wireless-drivers, when? |
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| 17:12.52 | orzo | well |
| 17:13.08 | kobh | you know, stable ones |
| 17:13.09 | orzo | i've been using qtextended since yesterday |
| 17:13.23 | orzo | I'm having an echo problem |
| 17:13.33 | orzo | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 |
| 17:13.42 | orzo | that issue talks about a patch to fix it |
| 17:13.56 | orzo | is that not in the latest images or does it just not work? |
| 17:14.38 | orzo | i also notice the battery indicator in qtextended lies |
| 17:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | orzo: google for domain:openmoko.org AT%N |
| 17:16.27 | orzo | do you mean site: ? |
| 17:16.43 | orzo | and i think the % symbol is confusing google |
| 17:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, yeah, prolly |
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| 17:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, put it in "" |
| 17:17.26 | orzo | quotes didnt really help |
| 17:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | there's a recently discovered ATcmd to stop echo |
| 17:17.50 | orzo | yes |
| 17:18.02 | orzo | and that's refered to on the ticket i posted |
| 17:18.23 | orzo | recently = 3 months ago according to that ticket |
| 17:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | ok, cya fellas, enjoy my last night in TPE now |
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| 17:18.30 | orzo | well |
| 17:18.31 | orzo | it doesnt work |
| 17:18.38 | orzo | unless i do not have the patch |
| 17:18.39 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
| 17:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ;) |
| 17:19.26 | orzo | i'm using the image for gta01 on http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 17:19.35 | orzo | would the patch not be there? |
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| 17:19.42 | orzo | in that build |
| 17:20.17 | orzo | damn, i guess my build is from october 31 |
| 17:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | orzo: this command isn't persistent AFAIK. Need to issue it for every new call |
| 17:21.32 | orzo | DocScrutinizer: well, i thought a patch was done up to take care of it all |
| 17:21.42 | orzo | and i hoped the patch was in my phone already |
| 17:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
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| 17:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | maybe logs will tellya |
| 17:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | has no idea about recent SW-images |
| 17:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | bye |
| 17:22.51 | orzo | bye |
| 17:23.52 | jonkristian | bye |
| 17:24.33 | brian__ | ooo yea nice update |
| 17:24.35 | orzo | is that patch to the kernel? |
| 17:24.43 | orzo | or to some user space program i can just upgrade? |
| 17:25.26 | orzo | devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp |
| 17:25.46 | orzo | what binary is that put in? |
| 17:25.51 | orzo | heh |
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| 17:28.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | wtf, FIC?? |
| 17:29.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | ok, prolly historical |
| 17:29.24 | mujo | hi, how does one add an application icon on the startup page of Om2008.9? |
| 17:29.37 | brian__ | is the 2008.12 uboot an update? |
| 17:30.08 | brian__ | or is it the same as 2008.9? |
| 17:31.47 | brian__ | thanks guys ,,i was just sitting here thinking wow a road trip tomorrow an gps is not working on the latest shr an i need a new image an BAM there it is |
| 17:32.15 | dingman | brian__, it's an update |
| 17:32.25 | dingman | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.12_Update |
| 17:32.33 | brian__ | well its a full image isnt it? |
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| 17:33.10 | dingman | oh, you meant "can I get it with opkg?"? |
| 17:33.17 | brian__ | no |
| 17:33.31 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.42 | dingman | yes, there's one there |
| 17:34.14 | brian__ | an its half installed:) |
| 17:34.37 | dingman | I'm trying to put it on my SD card, but without much success. |
| 17:34.51 | dingman | keeps hanging after complaining that it can't find a sound card. |
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| 17:58.42 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03odinshorse 07stable * ra9a48b2b82fd 10/fs/ext2/ext2fs.c: Modified patch originates from Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 17:58.42 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03odinshorse 07stable * rcc0a665d938f 10/fs/ext2/ext2fs.c: Modified patch originates from Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
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| 18:22.28 | slaxxer | thanks OM |
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| 18:38.24 | slaxxer | liquid war works |
| 18:40.19 | slaxxer | it might be a crappy soldering job on the gps antenea idk |
| 18:40.36 | slaxxer | it seems to work sometimes |
| 18:41.05 | slaxxer | will have to check out Docs work:) |
| 18:46.21 | slaxxer | my red light comes on while charging |
| 18:46.54 | slaxxer | considering putting my sim in |
| 18:47.28 | slaxxer | unplugged the wall charger an it blacked out |
| 18:48.35 | slaxxer | wont come back on now |
| 18:49.25 | slaxxer | 12 sec power button wont kill it |
| 18:49.38 | slaxxer | 12 sec power wont start it |
| 18:50.24 | slaxxer | tapping screen does nadda |
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| 18:55.00 | slaxxer | R&R battery |
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| 18:59.32 | ledzgio | hi all |
| 18:59.47 | ledzgio | i have a question about OM2008.12 |
| 19:00.10 | ledzgio | does someone could help me? |
| 19:00.30 | slaxxer | what is it |
| 19:01.24 | ledzgio | ok |
| 19:01.33 | slaxxer | i proly cant help anyways |
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| 19:01.50 | ledzgio | is normal that when the phone is in suspend mode and pluged into charger |
| 19:02.00 | ledzgio | it doesn't charge battery? |
| 19:02.04 | slaxxer | it goes blank?? |
| 19:02.07 | slaxxer | oo |
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| 19:02.10 | ledzgio | the red led is off.. |
| 19:02.17 | ledzgio | yes it goes blank |
| 19:02.19 | ledzgio | in suspend mode |
| 19:02.40 | ledzgio | the red led is off and i cant understand if it is charging or not |
| 19:02.57 | slaxxer | its a known bug an no its not normal |
| 19:03.14 | ledzgio | ah ok...so i have to off the suspend mode |
| 19:03.29 | ledzgio | and leave the screen on |
| 19:03.42 | ledzgio | it's not a good thing |
| 19:04.08 | ledzgio | another question... |
| 19:04.15 | ledzgio | how can i change ringtone? |
| 19:04.32 | ledzgio | no sorry |
| 19:04.35 | ledzgio | :) |
| 19:04.48 | ledzgio | i have installed qtopia-light-and-power |
| 19:04.58 | ledzgio | but it doesn't manager power |
| 19:05.12 | ledzgio | is there a way to make it? |
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| 19:06.36 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r938f46ed21e0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] disable %CGEV unsolicited response codes |
| 19:06.36 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r54deb9ed8776 10/framework/ (services.py subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/pdp.py): add preliminary netlink message dispatcher |
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| 19:07.31 | ledzgio | ehi |
| 19:14.11 | ledzgio | ola |
| 19:14.12 | ledzgio | ouu |
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| 19:32.33 | tomboy64 | woooowww |
| 19:32.40 | tomboy64 | 08.12 starts up *fast* |
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| 19:35.02 | slaxxer | i get a bad echo |
| 19:35.19 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.04 | slaxxer | might be just close proximity |
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| 20:04.12 | mwester | slaxxer: have you been paying attention at all?? :P |
| 20:04.26 | mwester | that's the long-known, impossible-to-fix echo bug. |
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| 20:19.05 | ledzgio | mwester: is the echo on OM2008.12 an impossible-to.fix bug?? |
| 20:20.45 | mwester | The echo is a mechanical hardware problem. It can be lessened to some degree by careful suppression parameters sent to the GSM; no current distros have ideal settings for that since it seems to vary depending on situation. Over time, a standard set of GSM parameters will likely emerge that will do the best that can be done in software. |
| 20:21.16 | mwester | If you use a headset (wired or bluetooth), the echo vanishes. Bluetooth also avoids the GSM buzz problem. |
| 20:21.57 | mwester | So my conclusion is that the quickest way to fix the audio issues for *any* distro is to get bluetooth headsets working... |
| 20:22.52 | Staticwave_Ace1 | or get another rphone |
| 20:24.34 | ledzgio | that's bad |
| 20:24.38 | ivvmm | right |
| 20:24.39 | ledzgio | i love my freerunner |
| 20:24.41 | ivvmm | throw it away |
| 20:25.22 | ivvmm | om fr is not just ready to be just a phone |
| 20:25.22 | ledzgio | as my experience SHR has the best audio performance |
| 20:26.06 | ledzgio | OM2008.12 doesn't support MP3, is it right? |
| 20:26.12 | ledzgio | i can't play mp3 |
| 20:26.31 | mwester | No "official" distro supports MP3 due to patent trolls |
| 20:26.44 | ledzgio | can i use an ogg file as ringtone and messages? |
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| 20:30.32 | ledzgio | no answers? |
| 20:31.48 | ledzgio | mwester i've used your latest kernel in qtextended 4.4.2 |
| 20:31.48 | ivvmm | ledzgio, yes u can |
| 20:32.13 | ledzgio | is still there the duplicated messages bug? |
| 20:32.23 | ledzgio | is there some way to fix it? |
| 20:32.51 | ledzgio | i know ivvm..i'm very excited with my neo that i want to learn a lot |
| 20:32.54 | ledzgio | ;) |
| 20:33.10 | ledzgio | i'm looking for a stable and usable distro |
| 20:33.26 | ledzgio | qtextended is a good compromise but it suffers the sms bug |
| 20:34.06 | ivvmm | shr does not suffer from that but its not as stable as the title says |
| 20:34.22 | ledzgio | not yet |
| 20:34.37 | ledzgio | it's misses a decent sms and calls manager |
| 20:34.43 | ivvmm | yes |
| 20:34.56 | ledzgio | but it is quite stable in the other things |
| 20:35.01 | Sargun | IVVM. |
| 20:35.05 | ledzgio | (sorry for my poor english) |
| 20:35.07 | ledzgio | :) |
| 20:35.34 | ledzgio | now i'm using OM2008.12 and its good |
| 20:35.41 | ledzgio | but not perfect yet |
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| 20:43.03 | ledzgio | ok bye bye guys |
| 20:43.36 | ledzgio | here is the time to go out and have fun |
| 20:43.38 | ledzgio | ;) |
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| 20:54.10 | orzo | hello |
| 20:54.19 | orzo | i see a lot of qtopia-phone-x11-* packages |
| 20:54.21 | orzo | in the repo |
| 20:54.27 | orzo | i'm running qtextended |
| 20:54.36 | orzo | but i dont see those in opkg list_installed output |
| 20:54.55 | orzo | and i didnt think qtopia used x11 |
| 20:55.08 | orzo | what are those packages? should i install them? |
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| 21:10.38 | Pyrasi | does anyone know if zhone has a missed calls/recent calls section? I cant seem to find one but that doesnt mean its not there... |
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| 21:26.12 | Pyrasi | so it seems you cant just apt-get install e17 in debian....there are dependancy issues with the versions of libecore and libevas that are in the repo |
| 21:26.20 | Pyrasi | has anyone else noticed this? |
| 21:27.24 | Pyrasi | also...does anyone know if its possible to get panel applications (namely openmoko-panel-plugin) to appear in the top bar in enlightenment? (on debian) |
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| 21:40.12 | eolson | it should |
| 21:40.25 | eolson | oops (was reading scrollback) |
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| 22:02.59 | quatrox | IIRC, ogg vorbis files may be played back at any bitrate <= the encoding bitrate without the need for reencoding. |
| 22:03.23 | quatrox | anyone knows how to select the bitrate for playback? |
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| 23:23.07 | slaxxer | i have killed the keyboard |
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