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| 00:17.44 | jc_ | how would you call a schoolwork organizing application? :) |
| 00:18.05 | igor321 | SchoolBuddy3000 |
| 00:18.12 | jc_ | igor321 lol :) |
| 00:18.33 | igor321 | maybe add an "open" ;) |
| 00:18.37 | jc_ | I was thinking something more on the terms of 'tormentorg' |
| 00:18.47 | jc_ | but thats not good |
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| 00:20.31 | jc_ | maybe something more suitable because of the suffering? :) |
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| 00:22.51 | jc_ | painkeeper ! |
| 00:23.00 | jc_ | stupid and simple enough :D |
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| 00:23.39 | jc_ | openpainkeeper... |
| 00:25.04 | Wonka | Dec 18 01:24:03 om-gta02 daemon.err pppd[1901]: Connect script failed |
| 00:25.07 | Wonka | *grrrr* |
| 00:25.08 | jc_ | igor321: but I'm starting to like your idea, its kinda like martianbuddy in doom 3, that was funny :) |
| 00:25.26 | Wonka | damn calypso seems not to answer anything at all, atm |
| 00:25.40 | jc_ | Wonka: you trying to dial up ? |
| 00:26.07 | igor321 | jc_: mix it up and call it SufferBuddy |
| 00:26.12 | Wonka | jc_: yes |
| 00:26.24 | Wonka | jc_: gprs-on.sh from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO |
| 00:26.28 | jc_ | igor321 heeey SufferBuddy3000 thats a nice one |
| 00:26.44 | jc_ | and a short sb3 is good too, afaik it only stands for sound blaster and there was no 3 :D |
| 00:26.57 | igor321 | yupp ;) |
| 00:27.24 | jc_ | igor321: ok thats the one, thanks for help :) |
| 00:27.35 | igor321 | np :) |
| 00:27.44 | jc_ | Wonka: gprs is working? I mean at least in a hack way |
| 00:27.46 | Wonka | anyway. 0128 here, and alarm clock ringing at 0620 |
| 00:27.59 | jc_ | hey here too |
| 00:28.02 | jc_ | where are you from ? |
| 00:28.04 | Wonka | jc_: with debian, i get ppp frames |
| 00:28.16 | Wonka | near Kiel, northern germany |
| 00:28.28 | jc_ | then were not that far, I'm from czech republic :P |
| 00:28.34 | Wonka | O.o |
| 00:28.45 | jc_ | and I was in germany at least 2 times |
| 00:29.15 | Wonka | have been to poland, austria, hungary... but not czech rep yet |
| 00:29.30 | jc_ | lol I've been to poland too and a funny one it is |
| 00:29.52 | Wonka | my visits to poland have been about hours. |
| 00:30.06 | jc_ | meat was kinda cheap there at the time so we went to get some sausages and stuff just behind the borders :D |
| 00:30.11 | Wonka | enter, eat with family at a restaurant, leave |
| 00:30.16 | jc_ | just for fun |
| 00:30.27 | Wonka | sorry. gotta go and sleep. |
| 00:30.35 | jc_ | yeah bye and good luck with gprs |
| 00:31.12 | Wonka | gprs sucks. they're doing it the wrong way round, i think |
| 00:31.18 | jc_ | damn with that cool name I'll just have to give it a spoof icon of martianbuddy :D |
| 00:31.55 | Wonka | first get the 07.10 channel. then open the connection by sending AT commands... and only in the end start ppp |
| 00:32.25 | jc_ | Wonka: I'd like to get it working too sometime since we get some free information through gprs here |
| 00:32.43 | jc_ | but I've got other priorities atm |
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| 00:43.22 | jc_ | damn the gprs classes are so overcomplicated and overexposed |
| 00:44.03 | raster | overexposes himself |
| 00:44.55 | jc_ | are there really so many things to set ? |
| 00:45.04 | Sargun | heh |
| 00:45.14 | jc_ | for example with wifi interface you'd have just essid I guess |
| 00:45.23 | jc_ | everything else could be handled transparetly |
| 00:45.50 | jc_ | maybe also a prompt for password callback (wep/wpa) |
| 00:47.06 | jc_ | GPRS Class ? |
| 00:48.06 | SpeedEvil | jc_: It's like Band Camp. |
| 00:48.10 | SpeedEvil | jc_: but more boring. |
| 00:48.46 | jc_ | SpeedEvil: huh? :D |
| 00:49.02 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
| 00:49.30 | jc_ | like this ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_camp |
| 00:50.42 | jc_ | anyway, afaik DBUS shouldn't be used as a complete interface, you'd make a hell out of it |
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| 00:51.12 | jc_ | just basic infos that widgets that actually don't care too much about the subsystem and just show its status and stuff use |
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| 00:51.39 | jc_ | s/and// |
| 00:51.57 | jc_ | damn |
| 00:52.05 | jc_ | I'm too drunk already |
| 00:53.06 | jc_ | ok not the first and, apt :P |
| 00:53.26 | jc_ | apt: hello |
| 00:53.27 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 00:53.33 | jc_ | apt: how are you ? |
| 00:53.35 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, jc_ |
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| 00:54.00 | jc_ | lol |
| 00:54.08 | Sargun | apt, go die in a fire |
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| 00:55.24 | orzo | hey |
| 00:55.27 | jc_ | apt: What's the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything ? |
| 00:55.30 | orzo | i'm back to trying to make usb devices work |
| 00:55.37 | orzo | somebody told me i needed resistors |
| 00:55.43 | orzo | teh wiki page doesnt say anything about that |
| 00:55.50 | orzo | was that you, jc? |
| 00:55.56 | CVirus | jc_: 42 |
| 00:55.59 | jc_ | huh? :D |
| 00:56.10 | jc_ | CVirus hey don't help the guy :D |
| 00:56.14 | UndrWater | that would be weird |
| 00:56.15 | CVirus | LOL |
| 00:56.21 | jc_ | he should have figured that himself :D :D |
| 00:56.32 | jc_ | orzo: what do you mean specifically ? |
| 00:56.49 | orzo | jc_: i was wondering if it was you who told me yesterday i was leaving out the resitors |
| 00:56.53 | orzo | resistors |
| 00:57.03 | jc_ | USB uses pull up resistors to determine what kind of connection to use |
| 00:57.09 | jc_ | low speed or full speed |
| 00:57.17 | jc_ | on the datalines |
| 00:57.32 | orzo | the data lines are connected to the neo |
| 00:57.37 | jc_ | I don't really remember but I'm drunk a little right now |
| 00:57.46 | jc_ | ok lemme check |
| 00:58.11 | jc_ | yeah I remember having conversation with you |
| 00:58.19 | jc_ | (or at least my logs remember) |
| 00:58.24 | jc_ | good enough to take the blame |
| 00:58.26 | orzo | does usb1.1 have multiple speeds? |
| 00:58.31 | jc_ | yep |
| 00:58.35 | jc_ | two to be more specific |
| 00:58.38 | jc_ | low and full speed |
| 00:58.45 | orzo | well |
| 00:58.46 | jc_ | low is 1.2Mbit or so and full is 12Mbit I think |
| 00:59.00 | orzo | my data lines are direct from teh device to the neo |
| 00:59.13 | orzo | surely those things have whatever resistors they need to determin speed |
| 00:59.33 | jc_ | the device should have that in it |
| 00:59.37 | jc_ | well |
| 00:59.46 | jc_ | the soc inside neo has two ports actually |
| 00:59.50 | jc_ | a host port and a device port |
| 01:00.00 | jc_ | I think they're switched somehow |
| 01:00.01 | SpeedEvil | host port, and a host/device port |
| 01:00.09 | jc_ | multiplexed for the physical port you have on the fr |
| 01:00.14 | SpeedEvil | the host port is connected to the bluetooth modem |
| 01:00.19 | jc_ | ok |
| 01:00.23 | SpeedEvil | the host/device port is connected to the outside port |
| 01:00.26 | jc_ | SpeedEvil: thanks for clarification :) |
| 01:00.39 | orzo | well |
| 01:00.45 | orzo | i built a usb cable |
| 01:00.51 | orzo | that draws power from an external source |
| 01:00.51 | jc_ | are you developing a device ? |
| 01:01.00 | jc_ | otherwise, you don't have to worry about that |
| 01:01.13 | orzo | i have a neo1973 |
| 01:01.18 | orzo | it cannot power usb devices |
| 01:01.41 | jc_ | oh you mean making a passthrough that can power them |
| 01:01.43 | jc_ | I think I remember |
| 01:01.47 | orzo | yes |
| 01:02.23 | orzo | so why doesnt it work? |
| 01:02.46 | jc_ | wanna try crossing the data lines ? |
| 01:02.49 | jc_ | but that shouldn't be it.. |
| 01:02.58 | orzo | i connected white to white and green to green |
| 01:03.07 | orzo | heh |
| 01:03.10 | jc_ | nad the power ? |
| 01:03.12 | jc_ | *and |
| 01:03.15 | orzo | well |
| 01:03.20 | orzo | that came from another cable |
| 01:03.25 | orzo | but that was red to red and black to black |
| 01:03.27 | jc_ | oh |
| 01:03.28 | orzo | actually |
| 01:03.31 | orzo | i put all the reds together |
| 01:03.32 | jc_ | oooh |
| 01:03.32 | jc_ | dude |
| 01:03.34 | orzo | and all teh blacks together |
| 01:03.37 | jc_ | you have to interconnect ground too |
| 01:03.53 | jc_ | from neo to device and the power source |
| 01:04.12 | orzo | ya |
| 01:04.13 | orzo | well |
| 01:04.14 | jc_ | otherwise they can't communicate anything |
| 01:04.15 | orzo | like i said |
| 01:04.20 | jc_ | yep |
| 01:04.23 | orzo | ground is black right?> |
| 01:04.23 | jc_ | all the blacks together |
| 01:04.26 | orzo | yeah |
| 01:04.28 | jc_ | lets see |
| 01:04.28 | orzo | i did that |
| 01:04.34 | orzo | all blacks teogether |
| 01:04.36 | orzo | all reds together |
| 01:04.46 | orzo | and the data cables from teh power source are left dangling |
| 01:04.51 | orzo | two wires |
| 01:04.53 | orzo | white and green |
| 01:05.01 | jc_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinout#USB_pinout |
| 01:05.18 | jc_ | I don't know about 'all reds together' |
| 01:05.25 | jc_ | I think you shouldn't connect it to the neo |
| 01:05.36 | orzo | well |
| 01:05.39 | jc_ | otherwise it would draw power too |
| 01:05.42 | orzo | i thought i could use the same cable to charge the neo |
| 01:05.59 | jc_ | normally without negotiation, you should suck only 100mA tops from the port, afaik |
| 01:06.11 | orzo | ya |
| 01:06.12 | jc_ | I get it you powered it from another USB hosts power line ? |
| 01:06.12 | orzo | well |
| 01:06.24 | orzo | ya |
| 01:06.28 | orzo | actually i have a wall adapter to usb |
| 01:06.33 | jc_ | yep then you shouldn't connect red to neo |
| 01:06.38 | jc_ | I think it tries to charge |
| 01:06.39 | orzo | why not? |
| 01:06.43 | jc_ | so it sucks all the power |
| 01:06.51 | orzo | eh |
| 01:06.54 | orzo | i run apm |
| 01:07.01 | orzo | it says it is On-Line and givesa percentage |
| 01:07.04 | orzo | it does not say charging |
| 01:07.05 | jc_ | but I'm not familiar with gta01, could be I'm mislead |
| 01:07.11 | orzo | its not charging |
| 01:07.22 | jc_ | still it could leech power |
| 01:07.25 | orzo | the power is connected to a wall outlet |
| 01:07.27 | orzo | ya |
| 01:07.30 | orzo | well i dont mind a little leaching |
| 01:07.38 | orzo | my devices are obviously fully powered |
| 01:07.38 | jc_ | wall outlet ? |
| 01:07.42 | jc_ | thats not a normal host |
| 01:07.44 | jc_ | then thats ok |
| 01:07.47 | orzo | ya |
| 01:07.49 | orzo | okay then |
| 01:07.55 | orzo | the data wires are disconnected anyway |
| 01:08.00 | orzo | from teh power source |
| 01:08.02 | jc_ | it should say its charging/ powered from usb though |
| 01:08.08 | orzo | so i dont see how a normal usb host could mess it up |
| 01:08.21 | jc_ | well its not the host messing it up |
| 01:08.26 | jc_ | its neos power consumption |
| 01:08.34 | jc_ | the device expects it can suck 100mA out of the host |
| 01:08.36 | jc_ | neo does too |
| 01:08.45 | orzo | well cant they? |
| 01:08.45 | jc_ | they can't share a single usb hosts power line |
| 01:08.51 | raster | sucky sucky long time |
| 01:09.04 | jc_ | but with a wall outlet, at least the 2A from the fr, shouldn't be factor |
| 01:09.22 | orzo | its a neo |
| 01:09.25 | orzo | 1973 |
| 01:09.27 | orzo | not freerunner |
| 01:09.44 | jc_ | I know but I'm not familiar with it so I'm giving examples from fr |
| 01:09.58 | orzo | well why doesnt it work |
| 01:10.09 | orzo | maybe i should cross the data wires |
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| 01:10.18 | orzo | green to white and whiet to green |
| 01:10.28 | jc_ | you could try that |
| 01:10.34 | orzo | i taped it all up tho |
| 01:10.34 | jc_ | certainly shouldn't harm it |
| 01:10.35 | orzo | heh |
| 01:10.41 | jc_ | I would look on it with a scope |
| 01:10.43 | jc_ | on the data lines |
| 01:10.50 | jc_ | whether it at least tries to negotiate |
| 01:10.59 | jc_ | you should definitely set the neo to host mode first |
| 01:11.36 | jc_ | oh 12Mbit over a taped line shouldn't be a problem |
| 01:11.44 | jc_ | 12Mbit is tape friendly still ;) |
| 01:14.15 | jc_ | damn why does alcohol wine taste so awful when normal wine is good and sweet |
| 01:15.30 | jc_ | s/normal wine/grape/ |
| 01:16.32 | raster | try desert wine |
| 01:16.40 | jc_ | raster: whats that ? |
| 01:17.19 | jc_ | well I'm trying to get drunk enough to fall asleep, any alcohol will do... |
| 01:17.24 | raster | wine you have for desert |
| 01:17.33 | raster | its awesome |
| 01:17.40 | jc_ | this is some generic boxed wine :) |
| 01:17.48 | raster | its actually become somewhat of a specialty of wineries in .au |
| 01:17.56 | jc_ | austria ? |
| 01:17.59 | raster | it normally is about 10-15% |
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| 01:18.08 | raster | comes in small 300-500ml bottles |
| 01:18.09 | jc_ | yep this is 10% |
| 01:18.11 | raster | and is really sweet |
| 01:18.16 | raster | australia |
| 01:18.22 | jc_ | oh |
| 01:18.28 | jc_ | the other side of the globe :D |
| 01:19.03 | UndrWater | raster: booting OM / illume on Treo |
| 01:19.04 | raster | http://www.eastendcellars.com.au/search?variety=178 |
| 01:19.10 | raster | http://www.ebaycellars.com.au/tempControl.asp?class=Desert Wine |
| 01:19.21 | raster | UndrWater: its great... until u try and use fso :( |
| 01:19.29 | jc_ | expert ;) |
| 01:19.30 | raster | wo |
| 01:19.34 | mwester | shakes his head, and suggests a shot of good scotch whiskey beats wine. |
| 01:19.45 | jc_ | I had some rum too |
| 01:19.54 | jc_ | dunno hows it called in englies |
| 01:19.54 | jc_ | h |
| 01:19.55 | UndrWater | nods to mwester's suggestion |
| 01:19.57 | jc_ | english |
| 01:19.58 | jc_ | dammit |
| 01:20.09 | mwester | Rum and wine? together? Your head will hurt in the morning! |
| 01:20.22 | jc_ | I hope so |
| 01:20.32 | jc_ | so I don't have to go to school and not feel bad about it |
| 01:20.34 | mwester | No, that's no fun. |
| 01:20.37 | raster | j rum is rum.. in ingles :) |
| 01:20.55 | jc_ | damn I hate alcohol... |
| 01:20.59 | raster | mwester: could be worse |
| 01:21.09 | raster | mwester: absinthe :) |
| 01:21.20 | mwester | eeeeye!!! |
| 01:21.21 | jc_ | lemme check |
| 01:21.32 | jc_ | no.. no absint |
| 01:21.41 | mwester | that stuff was illegal in a lot of places, wasn't it? |
| 01:21.48 | jc_ | we can buy it here |
| 01:21.59 | jc_ | is it bad? :D |
| 01:22.08 | mwester | You can buy it here too. I just don't understand why anyone would want to! |
| 01:22.14 | mwester | shudders |
| 01:22.25 | jc_ | well I can't understand why people buy beer either |
| 01:22.27 | jc_ | coke forever :D |
| 01:22.35 | jc_ | its not a good hacking beverage |
| 01:22.44 | jc_ | I'm getting my callbacks all wrong |
| 01:23.04 | cjb | (the kind of absinthe available in the US isn't real absinthe.) |
| 01:23.08 | UndrWater | raster: it's quick...almost seems smother than FR |
| 01:23.21 | jc_ | oh could you tell me what 'smooth' means ? |
| 01:23.29 | jc_ | I heard it lot of times but dictionary isnt any smarter |
| 01:23.40 | jc_ | I mean not like smooth as in smooth surface |
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| 01:23.59 | raster | mwester: yeah. still. is. the 70% variety with the opiates is a bit of a killer |
| 01:24.25 | raster | the one u mostly see is the 60% non-opiate one |
| 01:24.27 | raster | that one is tame |
| 01:24.47 | raster | jc_: like "that beer was smooth man!" |
| 01:24.48 | raster | ? |
| 01:24.55 | jc_ | raster: yep |
| 01:25.06 | jc_ | good ? |
| 01:26.02 | igor321 | oh i love me some absinthe |
| 01:26.29 | igor321 | it's fun stuff, the whole procedure with burning the spoon or something |
| 01:26.36 | igor321 | i consider it a social drink |
| 01:26.47 | jc_ | huh |
| 01:26.56 | jc_ | raw coke can burn a coin, baby :D |
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| 01:27.12 | jc_ | or rather melt, maybe |
| 01:27.21 | igor321 | yeah cola is also very cool |
| 01:27.30 | jc_ | also melts bad mood and environment awareness |
| 01:27.43 | jc_ | its called 'coca cola' here |
| 01:27.53 | jc_ | great for hacking |
| 01:28.02 | igor321 | how does it melt enviroment awareness? :) |
| 01:28.09 | igor321 | ain't it just sugar? |
| 01:28.16 | jc_ | you stop to perceive everything around the computer |
| 01:28.22 | jc_ | yeah and caffeine |
| 01:28.48 | jc_ | sugar is energy |
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| 01:29.10 | igor321 | maybe better if you had some red bull |
| 01:29.16 | igor321 | and hack away |
| 01:29.29 | jc_ | yeah but I heard that destroys your insides |
| 01:29.32 | jc_ | its good too |
| 01:29.43 | raster | jc_: yeah. means it was good |
| 01:29.44 | raster | or more |
| 01:29.49 | raster | the taste was smooth |
| 01:29.49 | jc_ | its really not that much about the energy boost, I guess its the sugar |
| 01:29.51 | raster | ecample |
| 01:29.53 | raster | example |
| 01:29.57 | jc_ | raster: thanks |
| 01:30.08 | raster | cream is smooth |
| 01:30.21 | raster | a dorito is not smooth |
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| 01:30.32 | jc_ | so if my girlfriend says 'smooth' |
| 01:30.38 | jc_ | its very good, right :D |
| 01:30.45 | raster | it means that it just slides down your throat smoothly and feels good - tastest good. nothing harsh or sharp |
| 01:30.55 | raster | depends what your gf likes |
| 01:30.58 | raster | :) |
| 01:31.01 | raster | maybe she likes rough |
| 01:31.02 | raster | :) |
| 01:31.09 | jc_ | oh I didn't mean alcohol |
| 01:31.18 | jc_ | but I don't have no girlfriend anymore |
| 01:31.40 | jc_ | so coke is smooth |
| 01:31.49 | jc_ | no bad sharp feeling |
| 01:33.37 | igor321 | jc_: you're czech? |
| 01:34.05 | jc_ | igor321: yup |
| 01:34.17 | jc_ | youre Russian? :D |
| 01:34.23 | igor321 | noice, i'm comin for new years |
| 01:34.28 | drjnut | Hi anyone! |
| 01:34.29 | igor321 | no, croatian |
| 01:34.32 | igor321 | next to italy |
| 01:34.44 | igor321 | drjnut: hello |
| 01:35.59 | jc_ | yeah |
| 01:36.02 | jc_ | I was to c roatia actually :) |
| 01:36.04 | jc_ | twice :) |
| 01:36.18 | igor321 | on holidays? :) |
| 01:36.21 | jc_ | very similar language |
| 01:36.23 | jc_ | yeah :) |
| 01:36.30 | drjnut | does anyone know where I can find the xglamo repository? |
| 01:36.34 | igor321 | i hope you enjoyed the sea, man ;) |
| 01:36.39 | jc_ | totally |
| 01:36.43 | jc_ | better than in Italy |
| 01:37.22 | jc_ | lemme check |
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| 01:37.33 | drjnut | I just want to take a quick look at the code |
| 01:37.56 | jc_ | drjnut: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=xglamo.git;a=summary |
| 01:38.03 | drjnut | jc_, thx a log |
| 01:38.07 | jc_ | np |
| 01:39.31 | drjnut | s/log/lot/ |
| 01:40.09 | jc_ | s/np/apt is such a smart boy/ |
| 01:40.21 | jc_ | :D |
| 01:40.36 | drjnut | yup |
| 01:41.05 | jc_ | heey lets find a buffer overflow in apt |
| 01:41.24 | drjnut | s/yup/\x00\x00/ |
| 01:41.29 | jc_ | :)) |
| 01:41.33 | drjnut | s/yup/\x08\x08/ |
| 01:41.50 | jc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.59 | drjnut | !!! |
| 01:42.00 | jc_ | s/s/\0/ |
| 01:42.08 | jc_ | damn |
| 01:42.18 | jc_ | the bastards indestructible |
| 01:42.27 | jc_ | apt: --help |
| 01:42.42 | drjnut | !help |
| 01:42.47 | drjnut | apt, !help |
| 01:42.57 | drjnut | anyway.... |
| 01:43.07 | jc_ | apt: where can I find openmoko ? |
| 01:43.08 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, openmoko is a joint venture of FIC and the open source community creating a complete open source phone platform stack. see http://openmoko.com |
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| 01:43.46 | SpeedEvil | Is that true anymore? |
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| 01:43.55 | jc_ | apt: where can I find the answer to life the universe and everything |
| 01:44.17 | drjnut | 42 |
| 01:44.27 | jc_ | damnt don't help the poor AI |
| 01:44.42 | drjnut | I hacked around /dev/fb0, displaying 16bpp graphics and was wondering if Xglamo enables us to do 24bpp |
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| 01:44.59 | jc_ | depends on the chip I gues |
| 01:45.00 | jc_ | ss |
| 01:45.11 | drjnut | ? |
| 01:45.19 | jc_ | on the glamo ? |
| 01:45.27 | drjnut | yeah |
| 01:45.31 | jc_ | well |
| 01:45.39 | jc_ | I guess 24bpp is pretty much standard |
| 01:46.32 | drjnut | Ok.. I thought it couldn't do anything but 16bpp cause I couldn't make the fbdev output more |
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| 01:46.48 | jc_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Smedia_Glamo_3362 says nothing about that |
| 01:47.01 | jc_ | damn 16bpp |
| 01:47.01 | drjnut | gotta read this |
| 01:47.10 | jc_ | thats like 5 bits per color ? |
| 01:47.57 | jc_ | wonder why I bitch about that |
| 01:48.03 | drjnut | yes, and 6 for green |
| 01:48.12 | jc_ | I can only distinguish the 16 basic ones |
| 01:48.17 | jc_ | according to my girlfriend |
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| 01:48.50 | drjnut | my background image looks weird on 16bpp... |
| 01:48.54 | raster | who you dont have anymore |
| 01:49.11 | jc_ | yep |
| 01:49.16 | raster | drjnut: it can at best to 16bit rgb565 |
| 01:49.19 | jc_ | hows that called in english |
| 01:49.19 | raster | no better |
| 01:49.22 | jc_ | oh.. .ex |
| 01:49.25 | jc_ | damn dictionary |
| 01:49.32 | raster | jc_: yes. "my ex" |
| 01:49.33 | raster | :) |
| 01:49.35 | drjnut | raster, ok, that's what I figured |
| 01:50.05 | jc_ | well I can't distuingish that so I don't mind :D |
| 01:50.32 | drjnut | raster, I don't know much about EFL, are you using 32bpp with 8bpp of alpha internally? |
| 01:51.07 | drjnut | do the compositing in 32bpp and convert to 16bpp for display? |
| 01:51.35 | jc_ | shouldn't it be able to composite in hardware ? |
| 01:51.40 | jc_ | it has opengl right ? |
| 01:51.48 | drjnut | is not complaining about anything, just trying to understand how it works |
| 01:51.52 | raster | drjnut: the normal siftware enigne is 32bpp internally - yes wiht 8bits of alpha |
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| 01:51.55 | raster | there are many engines |
| 01:51.56 | raster | xrender |
| 01:51.57 | raster | opengl |
| 01:51.59 | raster | driectfb |
| 01:51.59 | jc_ | yeah I'd like some docs on glamo too |
| 01:52.02 | raster | directx |
| 01:52.03 | raster | ... |
| 01:52.13 | raster | just the best overall is the software |
| 01:52.17 | drjnut | ok |
| 01:52.18 | jc_ | its the beautiful part on the freerunner devboard |
| 01:52.24 | raster | it gteneralyl performs consistently well (if your cpu is good) |
| 01:52.31 | raster | and renders correctly, with no bugs |
| 01:52.35 | raster | xrender is hit and miss |
| 01:52.42 | raster | depends enitrely on card and drviers |
| 01:52.44 | raster | gl - same |
| 01:52.48 | drjnut | ok |
| 01:53.07 | raster | directfb overall has been fairly lackluster in all departments |
| 01:53.22 | raster | cairo was a dismal failure (25x slower than evas's software engine) |
| 01:53.28 | raster | ... |
| 01:53.32 | drjnut | ;-) |
| 01:53.33 | raster | but the engine is selectable |
| 01:53.45 | raster | your app stays the same except for the canvas init code which is a 1 liner |
| 01:53.55 | raster | in fact elementary now abstracts that ctotally |
| 01:53.59 | raster | u just set an environment var |
| 01:54.00 | jc_ | 'eva' ? |
| 01:54.02 | raster | and u can flip engines |
| 01:54.05 | raster | even run in the fb |
| 01:54.11 | UndrWater | evas |
| 01:54.12 | raster | evas |
| 01:54.33 | jc_ | guess it doesn't stand for 'Emergency Vision Assurance System |
| 01:54.33 | jc_ | ' |
| 01:54.39 | drjnut | fb must be slower thant Xglamo, right? |
| 01:54.47 | raster | it stands for "enlightenment canvas" |
| 01:54.48 | raster | :) |
| 01:54.57 | jc_ | oh, enlightenment stuff |
| 01:55.01 | raster | yes |
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| 01:55.10 | raster | kde stole "k' |
| 01:55.13 | raster | gnome stole 'g" |
| 01:55.14 | raster | damnit |
| 01:55.15 | jc_ | the thing I don't like about e is that my mplayer window gets all stretched |
| 01:55.17 | raster | we stole 'e' |
| 01:55.18 | raster | :) |
| 01:55.34 | raster | mplayer looks fine here |
| 01:55.46 | drjnut | is thinking about stealing ü |
| 01:55.47 | jc_ | yeah and since qt stole the 'q' qemu gives me the creeps |
| 01:56.01 | jc_ | also I'm alergic to k |
| 01:56.05 | jc_ | since kde |
| 01:56.15 | jc_ | kare for some korn ? :D |
| 01:56.18 | drjnut | K is bad for the brain |
| 01:56.47 | drjnut | but is right if you only want to make some animal sleep |
| 01:57.05 | jc_ | like a gay green dragon |
| 01:57.18 | jc_ | lol |
| 01:57.44 | raster | hahaha |
| 01:58.04 | jc_ | really enlightenmet at least has a nice aura about it |
| 01:58.35 | jc_ | k-substituting everything beginning with 'c' is just so braindead |
| 01:58.46 | jc_ | makes you run around in circles and scream |
| 01:58.52 | igor321_ | made me hate linux the first i saw it |
| 01:58.57 | jc_ | me too |
| 01:58.59 | igor321_ | it's really retarded |
| 01:59.00 | jc_ | I started on mandriva |
| 01:59.05 | jc_ | kde in default |
| 01:59.08 | jc_ | mandrake, back then |
| 01:59.14 | jc_ | yeah |
| 01:59.18 | igor321_ | i was so pissed on Kopete |
| 01:59.26 | igor321_ | it's a really ugly name |
| 01:59.31 | jc_ | dont wanna hear what that means in our langueage |
| 01:59.34 | jc_ | *language |
| 01:59.39 | igor321_ | there are others i'm sure :) |
| 01:59.53 | jc_ | it means 'kicks you' :D |
| 02:00.09 | jc_ | (repeatetly) |
| 02:00.20 | igor321_ | hehe |
| 02:00.37 | jc_ | well, 'kope t?' actually |
| 02:00.41 | jc_ | but close enough |
| 02:00.50 | igor321_ | it's sound something like "digging" in croatian |
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| 02:01.14 | jc_ | whats that ? :D |
| 02:01.25 | igor321_ | just the verb u know |
| 02:01.27 | igor321_ | to dig |
| 02:01.35 | jc_ | yeah |
| 02:01.39 | jc_ | kopat is to dig in czech tooo |
| 02:01.41 | jc_ | *too |
| 02:01.42 | igor321_ | with a shovel or something :) |
| 02:01.45 | igor321_ | noice |
| 02:01.45 | jc_ | yep |
| 02:02.12 | igor321_ | i'm thinking of reading a phrasebook or something, since i'll be spending the new years in prague |
| 02:02.14 | jc_ | croatian and czech are very similar |
| 02:02.36 | jc_ | bad for you |
| 02:02.43 | igor321_ | yes they are, but you guys speak kinda fast for my taste :) |
| 02:02.44 | jc_ | well anyway I don't like prague |
| 02:02.50 | jc_ | maybe cause thats what my ex is from |
| 02:03.06 | igor321_ | we'll there are other fish in the sea |
| 02:03.15 | igor321_ | under the bridge, whatever ;( |
| 02:03.18 | igor321_ | ;) |
| 02:03.22 | jc_ | huh ? :D |
| 02:03.25 | jc_ | you mean like girls ? |
| 02:03.28 | igor321_ | yeah |
| 02:03.32 | jc_ | thats true |
| 02:03.32 | igor321_ | it's a phrase |
| 02:03.40 | jc_ | yep we use that here too |
| 02:03.53 | jc_ | even though we don't have as much water here :D |
| 02:04.03 | jc_ | damn your beaches are crazy |
| 02:04.08 | drjnut | raster, http://www.illume.com/ just froze my browser.... |
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| 02:04.20 | igor321_ | yeah, i'm from split? ever been here? |
| 02:04.21 | raster | drjnut: no idea who illume.com is |
| 02:04.25 | drjnut | i know |
| 02:04.26 | jc_ | all the girls catching the bronze without bras one like nothings happening :D |
| 02:04.35 | jc_ | or bikini |
| 02:04.38 | raster | nothing i can do about it |
| 02:04.39 | jc_ | whatever its called |
| 02:04.41 | raster | :) |
| 02:04.46 | jc_ | hey why do anything about it |
| 02:04.46 | drjnut | Just wanted to see the ".com" side of the name ;) |
| 02:05.02 | jc_ | I was near Makarska at the south |
| 02:05.09 | jc_ | that nice riviera :) |
| 02:05.19 | jc_ | really romantic there |
| 02:05.30 | igor321_ | yeah, i'm a bit to the north, some 40 km or so |
| 02:05.45 | jc_ | and for first time, I was north too |
| 02:05.49 | jc_ | I think it was called plava laguna |
| 02:06.04 | igor321_ | yupp :) |
| 02:06.08 | jc_ | nice too :) |
| 02:06.31 | igor321_ | hey, has prague gotten expensive? i hope not |
| 02:06.49 | jc_ | well prague was always a little more expensive than the rest of the country |
| 02:06.49 | igor321_ | we're kinda expecting to get drunk cheap ;) |
| 02:07.03 | jc_ | dunno, wasnt at the bars |
| 02:07.11 | jc_ | just at the parks and stuff, with my ex :D |
| 02:07.14 | jc_ | she doesn't drink |
| 02:07.17 | jc_ | me either, normally |
| 02:07.33 | jc_ | *neither |
| 02:07.37 | igor321_ | that's good, i guess ;) |
| 02:08.15 | jc_ | yeah, lots of people I know don't think its easy to get them laid without getting them drunk first |
| 02:08.46 | jc_ | proved them wrong I guess |
| 02:09.00 | slaxxin | better sober up before u get laid |
| 02:09.05 | jc_ | yeah |
| 02:09.09 | jc_ | I don't like ti |
| 02:09.11 | jc_ | it |
| 02:09.20 | igor321_ | i can't really comment, never really been sober in social situations |
| 02:09.28 | jc_ | try it sometime |
| 02:09.32 | igor321_ | and my gf also likes to dring |
| 02:09.33 | igor321_ | k |
| 02:09.45 | jc_ | yeah croatians are crazy with that :) |
| 02:09.52 | drjnut | The idea is to make chicks eyes shine, doesn't matter if you have to use alcohol to achieve this... |
| 02:09.55 | jc_ | as we got to know our neighbours and stuff |
| 02:10.08 | jc_ | hey good for you, czech girls are the same usually |
| 02:10.11 | jc_ | cheap bitches |
| 02:10.14 | jc_ | but theyre nice |
| 02:10.19 | jc_ | like in appearance |
| 02:10.41 | igor321_ | yeah the czech girls have legendary status here |
| 02:10.44 | igor321_ | :) |
| 02:10.48 | jc_ | why is that? ;) |
| 02:11.09 | igor321_ | i'm really sorry for this... |
| 02:11.18 | igor321_ | but it's for being easy :) |
| 02:11.23 | jc_ | nevermind I hate most of them |
| 02:11.30 | jc_ | agreed |
| 02:11.39 | slaxxin | we love all of them:) |
| 02:11.48 | igor321_ | hehe |
| 02:11.49 | jc_ | you ever seen a czech girl? ;P |
| 02:12.20 | igor321_ | i saw 'em, but never really got to know 'em |
| 02:12.30 | igor321_ | the "lover" guys probably have more to say |
| 02:12.30 | jc_ | I did unfortunately :D :D |
| 02:12.41 | jc_ | I'm not lover either |
| 02:12.56 | jc_ | as in sex directed crazed person |
| 02:13.03 | jc_ | I really loved her |
| 02:13.14 | jc_ | she was smarter than your common czech girl |
| 02:13.18 | jc_ | too smart for me I guess |
| 02:13.20 | igor321_ | did she run windows? |
| 02:13.28 | jc_ | yeah but I didn't mind |
| 02:13.38 | jc_ | actually I have one girlfriend (normal friend) who runs gentoo |
| 02:13.47 | igor321_ | you were really in love then ;) |
| 02:13.54 | jc_ | lol |
| 02:13.59 | jc_ | if you put it that way, yes :D |
| 02:14.15 | igor321_ | my girlfriend runs xp unfortunately |
| 02:14.22 | jc_ | why mind ? |
| 02:14.32 | igor321_ | i don't :) |
| 02:14.34 | jc_ | I don't need to share linux frustration |
| 02:14.38 | jc_ | the life frustration is enough |
| 02:14.54 | igor321_ | she likes the cute penguin, though |
| 02:15.02 | jc_ | heeey you have a plush penguin too? :D |
| 02:15.08 | jc_ | my ex loved that too :D |
| 02:15.12 | igor321_ | thinks he's sweet, AIN'T NOTHING SWEET ABOUT TUX WOMAN |
| 02:15.33 | igor321_ | no i have no penguins |
| 02:15.45 | jc_ | I have one sitting on my wireless router :D |
| 02:15.50 | jc_ | cute one too |
| 02:15.53 | jc_ | golden penguin |
| 02:15.57 | jc_ | my ex got it for me :D |
| 02:16.10 | igor321_ | but i bought a wifi dongle, cause it sported tux on the box, 10 euros more expensiv, though |
| 02:16.13 | jc_ | oh king penguin actually |
| 02:16.14 | igor321_ | wuz worth it |
| 02:16.40 | igor321_ | nice :) |
| 02:16.41 | jc_ | ah forgot you already pay with euros |
| 02:16.48 | igor321_ | no we don't |
| 02:16.52 | igor321_ | not even in the eu |
| 02:17.03 | igor321_ | but everybody counts in euros |
| 02:17.06 | jc_ | we are in eu, unfortunately |
| 02:17.12 | jc_ | yep our accomodation was in euros |
| 02:17.19 | jc_ | but otherwise we paid in kuna |
| 02:17.37 | jc_ | kuna is an animal in our language :D |
| 02:17.44 | igor321_ | in ours too |
| 02:17.59 | igor321_ | we used to hunt em for currency :P |
| 02:18.00 | jc_ | I think it was on the coin |
| 02:18.02 | jc_ | lol :) |
| 02:18.25 | jc_ | hey according to dictionary, its 'pine-martin' in english |
| 02:18.49 | igor321_ | i guess it's not a common animal amongs the english ;) |
| 02:19.01 | jc_ | us too, I can't recall how it looks |
| 02:19.03 | jc_ | is this it? http://www.robertweselmann.com/images/pine_martin2.jpg |
| 02:19.21 | igor321_ | probably, never saw one |
| 02:19.25 | jc_ | me neither |
| 02:19.37 | igor321_ | it looks like that on the coin, so it must be it |
| 02:19.59 | jc_ | dobro |
| 02:20.07 | igor321_ | okej |
| 02:20.11 | igor321_ | ;) |
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| 02:20.35 | jc_ | well our currency has a 'crown' on it, like a royal crown |
| 02:20.44 | jc_ | because we were a monarchy for a long time |
| 02:20.58 | igor321_ | yeah i know kruna's well, spent a lot of em |
| 02:21.00 | jc_ | and every country around make us theyr bitch whenever they made an empire |
| 02:21.07 | igor321_ | even know the exchange rate |
| 02:21.16 | jc_ | like austrian empire and germany reich |
| 02:21.38 | igor321_ | yeah we too were under austria |
| 02:21.50 | igor321_ | and a nazi puppet state, wuz great fun |
| 02:21.50 | jc_ | what retarded bastards were they |
| 02:22.06 | jc_ | history books tell they actually breeded amongst themselves :D |
| 02:22.18 | igor321_ | who? austrians? |
| 02:22.26 | igor321_ | i doubt that, they're kinda tall |
| 02:22.32 | jc_ | the austrian nobility |
| 02:23.01 | jc_ | we learned that they breeded amongs other family members because they thought they were the ultimate race |
| 02:23.07 | igor321_ | well most noble families probably did |
| 02:23.14 | igor321_ | that's why they have bad teeth |
| 02:23.19 | jc_ | yeah |
| 02:23.20 | igor321_ | and hemophilia |
| 02:23.24 | jc_ | lol |
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| 02:23.47 | jc_ | we can bitch about it whatever we want but still we didn't fight |
| 02:24.02 | jc_ | not much anyway |
| 02:24.28 | jc_ | and now we join the bastards unions |
| 02:24.51 | jc_ | well, they're not bad anymore so what anyway... |
| 02:25.03 | igor321_ | i dunno i don't really hate the EU |
| 02:25.09 | jc_ | me neither, that much |
| 02:25.10 | igor321_ | gimme some dirt so i can hate 'em |
| 02:25.13 | igor321_ | :) |
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| 02:25.25 | jc_ | but you heard about the lisbon contract recently ? |
| 02:25.31 | igor321_ | yupp |
| 02:25.35 | jc_ | baaaaad crap |
| 02:25.38 | igor321_ | the irish rejected it |
| 02:25.44 | jc_ | yeah I hope we do too |
| 02:25.54 | jc_ | but we have goddamn bastard governemnt |
| 02:25.58 | igor321_ | isn't your president really anti-eu? |
| 02:26.03 | jc_ | he is |
| 02:26.05 | jc_ | but hes just a puppet |
| 02:26.07 | jc_ | he has no say |
| 02:26.11 | igor321_ | aha |
| 02:27.02 | jc_ | well you want some dirt ? |
| 02:27.08 | igor321_ | gimmeh |
| 02:27.10 | jc_ | not hard to find |
| 02:27.33 | jc_ | there are many controversies around our smallish little government |
| 02:27.56 | jc_ | lets go for an easy one at first |
| 02:28.13 | jc_ | you know what a ranting little cunt our prime minister is? he has no temper |
| 02:28.28 | igor321_ | oh man harsh words |
| 02:28.29 | SpeedEvil | jc_: where are you? |
| 02:28.50 | igor321_ | czech republic |
| 02:28.50 | jc_ | I guess there must also be an english article about that, this one was a big controversy, lemme check |
| 02:30.31 | jc_ | oh yes its still on youtube |
| 02:30.33 | jc_ | but old already |
| 02:30.54 | jc_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1DRZbbyzgk&feature=related |
| 02:31.03 | igor321_ | our hoolingans made some mess in prague, forgot to apologize about that |
| 02:31.08 | igor321_ | sorry man :) |
| 02:31.14 | jc_ | dunno about that :D |
| 02:31.22 | jc_ | and many of our divers died in croatia too :D |
| 02:31.37 | jc_ | hehe |
| 02:31.49 | jc_ | ok that wasn't topolanek, it was macek but its bad anyway |
| 02:31.52 | igor321_ | oh man he told him he deserved it |
| 02:32.00 | igor321_ | i understood that |
| 02:32.01 | jc_ | lets see something else about our prime minister |
| 02:32.29 | jc_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Xdddzg-28 |
| 02:32.59 | jc_ | that was him and it wasn't sloely on youtube of course, news were full with it |
| 02:33.02 | jc_ | he has no temper |
| 02:33.02 | igor321_ | we call this kind of blast upside the head "the viennese" :) |
| 02:33.16 | jc_ | yeah :) |
| 02:34.06 | igor321_ | wow your pm is such a bad ass |
| 02:34.14 | jc_ | hes a ranting little cunt |
| 02:34.19 | jc_ | he plays a tough guy |
| 02:34.21 | jc_ | and a mafia |
| 02:34.29 | igor321_ | man you czechs ain't so polite ;) |
| 02:34.31 | jc_ | but he has lot of money, thats true |
| 02:34.39 | jc_ | we don't like him |
| 02:34.50 | jc_ | and we can't do nothing about him |
| 02:35.01 | jc_ | because we are a 'democratic' state |
| 02:35.06 | igor321_ | well you'll vote him out soon enough :) |
| 02:35.19 | jc_ | the only other major choice is a socialist bitch side |
| 02:35.22 | jc_ | oooh and Paroubek |
| 02:35.29 | jc_ | lemme show you something about him too |
| 02:35.32 | igor321_ | i'd like of our pm to be more of a badass like yours |
| 02:36.15 | jc_ | daaamn its not on anymore :D |
| 02:36.38 | jc_ | I think you have terms like 'levice' and 'pravice' too |
| 02:37.10 | jc_ | well the current party with majority here is 'pravice' and the only other choice is extreme 'levice' |
| 02:37.20 | jc_ | neither is good |
| 02:37.30 | slaxxin | i got 150 dollars on the guy on the left |
| 02:38.45 | jc_ | lol |
| 02:38.50 | jc_ | neither won |
| 02:39.01 | jc_ | but they were publicly bitching for a long time afterwards |
| 02:39.01 | igor321_ | it's funny how everyone's just watchin |
| 02:39.13 | jc_ | both |
| 02:39.21 | igor321_ | macek's a badass |
| 02:39.36 | jc_ | in translation it is something like |
| 02:39.58 | jc_ | if you'll just excuse me I have some serious matters to attend to before we begin |
| 02:40.02 | jc_ | or maybe 'if I may' |
| 02:40.06 | jc_ | that was the preface :D |
| 02:40.18 | igor321_ | what's a "zbabijelec"? |
| 02:40.22 | igor321_ | coward? |
| 02:40.23 | jc_ | zbabelev |
| 02:40.28 | jc_ | zbab?lec |
| 02:40.30 | jc_ | coward, yep |
| 02:41.15 | mpr | if both existing choices are bad then why aren't the people forming new parties? |
| 02:41.16 | jc_ | oh |
| 02:41.47 | mpr | are the people bad too or does the system have impossible barriers for forming new parties or what? |
| 02:41.48 | jc_ | actually its more like 'Allow me before I begin moderating to attend to a totally private matter' |
| 02:41.56 | jc_ | lazy |
| 02:42.03 | jc_ | zand yes they are |
| 02:42.13 | jc_ | there are too many and they never get a majority |
| 02:42.27 | igor321_ | it usually comes down to the 2 party system... why? i dunno |
| 02:42.43 | igor321_ | possibly there are two kinds of people |
| 02:42.57 | jc_ | so senate and chamber of deputies is full of those two extreme bitchces |
| 02:43.03 | jc_ | well, for now, only of the one side |
| 02:43.11 | jc_ | but they lost the last votes totally |
| 02:43.13 | mpr | well at least finland has had a multi-party system for a long time :) |
| 02:43.23 | jc_ | heey finland is cool |
| 02:43.24 | jc_ | I love your metal :D |
| 02:43.33 | jc_ | Nightwish forever ! |
| 02:43.39 | jc_ | and Indica |
| 02:43.48 | igor321_ | man multi-party sounds like a party, if u know wat i'm sayin |
| 02:43.59 | jc_ | yeah |
| 02:44.03 | jc_ | its a two party system |
| 02:44.13 | jc_ | one year the first wins, second year the other |
| 02:44.19 | mpr | there are 3 big parties of which 2 usually end up in power and 1 in opposition in any given election |
| 02:44.20 | jc_ | and sometimes they are evenly matched |
| 02:44.26 | jc_ | those are the better times |
| 02:44.27 | mpr | and then multiple small parties |
| 02:44.55 | igor321_ | maybe if u had a "pirate" party.... |
| 02:45.07 | jc_ | I hope its said the same in croatian :P |
| 02:45.10 | jc_ | 'politika je na hovno' |
| 02:46.08 | jc_ | well they don't do us much harm actually, its just that they are such bitches and make fools out of them |
| 02:46.16 | jc_ | I think as a state we kinda work |
| 02:47.01 | jc_ | they just 'do theyr job', sometimes raise some controversy, rob out some companies, do dirty jobs, raise themselves some money and leave |
| 02:47.26 | jc_ | and whenever people are ranting about something they grant them the liberty of it so they at least are beloved for a while |
| 02:47.43 | jc_ | amongs the common folk who don't se theyr lies and populistic behavior anyway |
| 02:47.50 | jc_ | *see |
| 02:48.03 | igor321_ | i'm youtubing "politican brawl", i was inspired |
| 02:48.15 | igor321_ | there are some great fights in parliaments |
| 02:48.37 | jc_ | yeah we must be legandary in that |
| 02:48.57 | jc_ | if there was a politician fighting ring, I guess our badassess would be among the best ones |
| 02:49.08 | igor321_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djdy_fhvZuM |
| 02:49.15 | igor321_ | check out the japanese |
| 02:49.22 | igor321_ | those are some moves :) |
| 02:49.31 | jc_ | but the greece riots are cool too |
| 02:49.43 | jc_ | wow |
| 02:49.50 | jc_ | aikido ! :D |
| 02:49.59 | jc_ | we aint got no oriental style |
| 02:50.06 | jc_ | they just beat the shit out of each other :D |
| 02:51.08 | igor321_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1o68Vip5O4 |
| 02:51.10 | jc_ | but the greece riotists are cool |
| 02:51.13 | jc_ | theyre using lasers |
| 02:51.31 | jc_ | wow |
| 02:51.34 | jc_ | crazy bitches :D |
| 02:52.08 | jc_ | and here comes the lead semiconductor country |
| 02:53.06 | jc_ | be glad we have free internet at least |
| 02:53.16 | jc_ | what are the chinese supposed to say ;) |
| 02:53.57 | jc_ | oh but if you come to czech republic, beware that all your online communications are logged, for at least a month period |
| 02:54.47 | igor321_ | they are? |
| 02:54.50 | jc_ | yeah |
| 02:54.54 | jc_ | since 2003 |
| 02:55.02 | igor321_ | weren't planning on doing anything illegal, but still |
| 02:55.13 | jc_ | stupid law of electronic communications |
| 02:55.29 | jc_ | they log all your http and mail headers |
| 02:55.36 | jc_ | I worked for a provider so we had to do that |
| 02:55.58 | jc_ | also mail bodies, excerpt of http content and ips of all other communication |
| 02:56.03 | jc_ | i.e. udp and tcp headers |
| 02:56.21 | jc_ | but they can't filter anything |
| 02:56.29 | jc_ | like chinese have with google and stuff |
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| 02:56.48 | jc_ | we already know our government is bad anyway so why hide it ;) |
| 02:56.59 | jc_ | they're not communist anymore so what |
| 02:57.11 | igor321_ | that's totally uncool |
| 02:57.28 | jc_ | yeah didn't agree with the logging either |
| 02:57.34 | jc_ | but you can use like tor or something |
| 02:57.36 | jc_ | not barred |
| 02:58.15 | igor321_ | our government is retarded when they wanna like stop facebook groups and stupid stuff like that, but at least they ain't loggin me |
| 02:58.22 | igor321_ | as far as i know ;) |
| 02:58.24 | jc_ | lol |
| 02:58.28 | jc_ | they block sites ? |
| 02:58.32 | igor321_ | nope |
| 02:58.47 | igor321_ | they contact facebook or whatever |
| 02:58.54 | jc_ | why do that? :) |
| 02:58.58 | igor321_ | they never sucseed, it's really retarded |
| 02:59.14 | igor321_ | well someone makes a group called "our pm sucks monkey balls" |
| 02:59.28 | igor321_ | and then they send the police to close it down or whatever |
| 02:59.28 | jc_ | lol we have full web of that :D |
| 02:59.32 | igor321_ | it's really funny |
| 02:59.33 | jc_ | even the news :D |
| 02:59.52 | jc_ | when your search our pm's name its 99% shit and 1% propaganda |
| 03:00.11 | jc_ | thats just dumb :) |
| 03:00.20 | igor321_ | hehe :) |
| 03:00.31 | igor321_ | gonna go sleep |
| 03:00.36 | igor321_ | good night man |
| 03:00.39 | jc_ | yeah me too, good night |
| 03:00.40 | igor321_ | nice talkin to ya :) |
| 03:00.44 | jc_ | you too |
| 03:00.50 | igor321_ | bye! |
| 03:00.53 | jc_ | bye |
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| 03:54.56 | Digital_Pioneer_ | So... There HAS to be a better wifi gui I can use than Mofi... Mofi isn't working. At all. |
| 03:55.03 | Digital_Pioneer_ | It starts, but never connects, just hangs. |
| 04:00.43 | mwester | Windows has a good one. |
| 04:06.17 | slaxxin | THE TERMINAL WORKS BEST |
| 04:06.23 | slaxxin | SORRY |
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| 04:08.08 | mwester | covers his ears |
| 04:08.31 | slaxxin | H e l ll lll OOOOO |
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| 04:11.05 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: Actually, every wifi gui I've ever used on windows is utter crap. |
| 04:11.20 | Digital_Pioneer | slaxxin: Yes, but not when you have no real keyboard. :) |
| 04:11.46 | Digital_Pioneer | And not when you're working with WPA2. :P |
| 04:12.29 | mwester | They work better than any of the ones we have on the FR. |
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| 04:27.32 | slaxxin | its allabout the width of the screen |
| 04:27.55 | slaxxin | which is perfect for my hand |
| 04:28.33 | slaxxin | an a good pair of dental glasses |
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| 04:57.09 | drjnut | hey! |
| 04:57.47 | drjnut | is there a tool to strip jffs2 images downloaded (uploaded in dfu-util lang) from the device? |
| 04:58.05 | drjnut | flashing 250MB is very long.... |
| 04:58.26 | drjnut | s/is very long/takes a very long time/ |
| 04:59.53 | lindi- | drjnut: strip in what way? |
| 05:00.50 | drjnut | strip in a way that it only takes 50MB or so, cause the end (200Mo or so) is filled with 0xFF anyway |
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| 05:24.35 | orzo | i'm shopping for a bluetooth keyboard |
| 05:24.51 | orzo | recommendations? |
| 05:24.53 | orzo | heh |
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| 05:28.25 | orzo | do bluetooth keyboards all speak the same protocol? |
| 05:28.43 | Digital_Pioneer | orzo: ThinkGeek has a really interesting one. |
| 05:28.46 | jbick | when a userspace program access a tty device is the driver that is used s3c2410.c? |
| 05:28.48 | orzo | the keyboards i see list phones they are compatible with |
| 05:28.54 | orzo | i saw thinkgeek's laser one |
| 05:28.59 | orzo | but i'm a touch typest |
| 05:29.17 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh, does it not work for touch typers? |
| 05:29.18 | orzo | i think it'd be better to have one i can feel |
| 05:29.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh.' |
| 05:29.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh |
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| 06:19.10 | slaxxin | shr settings worked partway 1 time now all say unknown |
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| 06:39.02 | Digital_Pioneer | So what's this? SCUMMVM on Freerunner, but no package? :\ |
| 06:39.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Has anyone found any games to work well? |
| 06:39.53 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rbc025e7d1fe9 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): odeviced: add missing description of org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.Scenario signal. |
| 06:40.19 | slaxxin | man i wish i had a new fdom image to play with |
| 06:40.37 | slaxxin | are they updateing fdom at all? |
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| 06:53.50 | gecco | good morning |
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| 07:21.58 | lindi- | Digital_Pioneer: debian has had scummvm package for armel for ages :) |
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| 07:35.09 | orzo | man |
| 07:35.13 | orzo | i fucked up my pass through cable |
| 07:35.17 | orzo | it doesnt work at all anymore |
| 07:35.27 | orzo | anybody want to just sell me one |
| 07:39.49 | gecco | which cable? |
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| 07:52.13 | orzo | gecco: usb cable that provides power from an external source |
| 07:52.31 | gecco | ah |
| 07:52.33 | raster | any usb cable that is usb to mini-usb will do |
| 07:52.38 | gecco | you can buy in a shop |
| 07:52.45 | Sargun | orzo, I have one of those. |
| 07:52.52 | gecco | i have pay 5 euros |
| 07:52.54 | Sargun | orzo, you need a link? |
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| 07:54.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | moin, raster |
| 07:54.28 | raster | DocScrutinizer2: ooon! |
| 07:54.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
| 07:55.09 | Sargun | OOON |
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| 07:56.15 | raster | it's time.... |
| 07:56.18 | raster | for... my next widget |
| 07:56.20 | raster | MUHAHAHAHHAHA |
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| 07:57.53 | henk | moin |
| 07:58.05 | raster | and the europeans awake |
| 07:58.27 | Sargun | Oh, I need to write up my widget proposal. |
| 07:59.04 | henk | raster: s/awake/begin to work/ |
| 07:59.22 | raster | Sargun: you need no steeenkin widgets |
| 07:59.25 | raster | actually |
| 07:59.26 | raster | you do |
| 07:59.27 | raster | :) |
| 07:59.36 | raster | all your widgets are belong to us |
| 07:59.45 | Sargun | raster, I'm thinking of adapting: http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/ |
| 07:59.53 | Sargun | and proposing it as a standard for all FSO dialers. |
| 07:59.59 | Sargun | ^_^ |
| 08:00.17 | Sargun | Err, maybe I should go for a devil face >:-) |
| 08:00.21 | Sargun | (horns) |
| 08:01.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | MUHA-widget? nice :-) |
| 08:01.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | henk: yeah, know that. working but still asleep |
| 08:01.31 | raster | oooh |
| 08:01.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 08:01.36 | raster | them is different widgets |
| 08:01.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | my last day TPE for this time |
| 08:01.55 | raster | DocScrutinizer2: back to wamr and wonderful .de |
| 08:01.56 | raster | :) |
| 08:01.59 | raster | warm |
| 08:02.14 | henk | DocScrutinizer2: hehe, ok, that's true... |
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| 08:03.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | brrrr *shudder* |
| 08:04.03 | henk | raster: warm? compared to what? north pole? it's fscking cold in germany! |
| 08:04.12 | mickey|ICE874 | i guess noone can fabricate a battery dummy for me now? |
| 08:04.18 | mickey|ICE874 | (in the office) |
| 08:04.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | will take me til new year to get used to this shock |
| 08:06.15 | raster | henk: its warm relative to 0 kelivn :) |
| 08:06.36 | orzo | hi |
| 08:07.07 | orzo | will teh palm 3245ww keyboard work? |
| 08:07.30 | orzo | are bluetooth keyboards interchangable? |
| 08:07.32 | orzo | like usb |
| 08:07.37 | henk | raster: not fair! ;) |
| 08:08.11 | cjb | orzo: mostly, yes, there is a standard. but I'd usually check first, since there aren't that many of them and they're very expensive. |
| 08:08.51 | orzo | well check how |
| 08:13.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | mick_laptop: could ask... |
| 08:13.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | what kinda dummy would you need? |
| 08:13.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | sorry, -> mickey |
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| 08:13.43 | mickey|ICE874 | i want to attach my neo to my lab PSU |
| 08:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | duh, what a delay when IRCing via WiFi |
| 08:14.06 | mickey|ICE874 | to be safe though (not a hardware guy), I'd like someone to make me a battery dummy |
| 08:14.34 | Sargun | ooh, I'd buy one. |
| 08:15.10 | mickey|ICE874 | so something that fits into the Neo |
| 08:15.20 | mickey|ICE874 | but has 2 cables instead of the actual cells |
| 08:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | mickey|ICE874: my reply delayed 9minutes, like your train |
| 08:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | ok, I will ask Candy, just entered my room |
| 08:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 08:16.57 | mickey|ICE874 | thanx |
| 08:16.58 | mickey|ICE874 | cu |
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| 08:27.58 | orzo | can you use bluetooth networking while using a bluetooth keyboard? |
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| 08:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | ok, I'm back |
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| 08:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | mickey: everybody seems a little busy right now. I will try to find your handset, and take a few bat with me, so I could do this for you during xmess |
| 08:44.59 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbcc477049b4a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] remove %CGREG unsolicited code, we're not using it |
| 08:45.01 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5218a43ed072 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/unsolicited.py: ogsmd: [ABSTRACT] start handling +CGEV (neccessary to detect gprs connection teardown) |
| 08:45.06 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf6e9c6ce88b8 10/ (docs/TODO framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/pdp.py): ogsmd: pdp: do not use ATZ in connect script, do not query for CPIN |
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| 09:04.04 | beni | praises ssh |
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| 09:09.01 | Dave | :) |
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| 10:18.54 | d-b | btw is anyone interested in buying an gta02 ? |
| 10:19.02 | d-b | i might be selling mine - pm me |
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| 10:21.53 | lindi- | d-b: if it is extra it would be useful to be able to run some tests on it remotely :) |
| 10:22.06 | d-b | ah? |
| 10:22.28 | d-b | depends. |
| 10:22.44 | lindi- | d-b: like measure consumption with different scenarios |
| 10:22.53 | d-b | mmm? |
| 10:22.58 | lindi- | i need to use my phone daily so i can't run very long tests |
| 10:23.20 | lindi- | like #1158 seems to need |
| 10:23.32 | d-b | which is? |
| 10:25.43 | lindi- | a bug |
| 10:25.55 | lindi- | d-b: in the battery charging logic |
| 10:26.00 | d-b | ah. |
| 10:26.30 | lindi- | when leave my phone to charger it charges it to 100% and then starts to very slowly discharge |
| 10:26.56 | d-b | how odd |
| 10:27.10 | d-b | is this usb / wall |
| 10:27.48 | d-b | i don't think i have noticied it really |
| 10:27.54 | d-b | bar on om... |
| 10:28.02 | lindi- | happens with both |
| 10:28.13 | lindi- | d-b: PMU logic was totally rewritten in andy-tracking kernel afaik |
| 10:28.30 | lindi- | d-b: check the bug report |
| 10:28.47 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r083dbfe01549 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (mediator.py pdp.py): ogsmd: pdp: make singleton handling more consistent with CallHandler |
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| 10:29.12 | d-b | ok. |
| 10:29.39 | d-b | on debian i dno't notice it tho |
| 10:30.13 | d-b | don't* |
| 10:31.03 | lindi- | d-b: it's all about the kernel |
| 10:31.15 | d-b | sure |
| 10:31.25 | lindi- | i use debian with andy-tracking kernel and see it |
| 10:31.33 | d-b | i'm on the original debian kernel. |
| 10:31.43 | lindi- | but i think i see it with the semi-official debian kernel too |
| 10:31.49 | d-b | k |
| 10:32.25 | lindi- | d-b: yes, that's what i say in a comment there |
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| 10:37.59 | d-b | lindi-: what about the bug where the sdcard kills itself ? |
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| 10:38.25 | lindi- | d-b: i have not hit that |
| 10:38.35 | lindi- | but i have daily backups :) |
| 10:38.40 | lindi- | so it dares not hit me |
| 10:38.47 | d-b | rofl. |
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| 10:40.10 | d-b | yeah issue is i 'm not always some where i can fix it |
| 10:41.10 | d-b | lindi-: how do you suggest i make a good back up ? |
| 10:41.40 | lindi- | d-b: i use rsync just like on my other systems |
| 10:42.05 | d-b | k... i'm going to tar it |
| 10:42.21 | d-b | shouldn't hit any problems with tar cvvf |
| 10:42.28 | d-b | (its in via usb card reader) |
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| 10:43.00 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * rbbf01a25713a 10/src/gsm0710muxd.c: improve usage output and show version. patch courtesy Luca Capello <luca@pca.it> |
| 10:44.02 | lindi- | d-b: tar would transfer every file again and again? |
| 10:44.08 | lindi- | i only transfer modifications |
| 10:44.17 | d-b | mmm i want a quick restore |
| 10:44.55 | lindi- | i have quick restore :) |
| 10:48.12 | d-b | lindi-: are you using ext3 or 2 ? |
| 10:48.49 | lindi- | ext2 |
| 10:49.13 | d-b | k |
| 10:49.19 | d-b | i have an 8gb scandisk |
| 10:49.32 | d-b | which gets killed after it halts inncorrectly |
| 10:49.37 | d-b | a few times |
| 10:50.06 | d-b | otherwise i would like the phone and use it -> on debian |
| 10:50.22 | lindi- | i have 2G |
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| 10:53.41 | d-b | ok backed it up i guess i can use debian for a bit and see how that works. |
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| 13:50.03 | Weiss | turns off all of Illume's animations, and discovers how much more responsive it makes everything feel |
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| 14:37.23 | mujo | hi, I'd like to install FSO on the uSD of my gta02. I built the FSO so I have fso-testing/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 14:37.40 | mujo | should I just dd it to the second partition of the uSD? |
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| 14:44.10 | CM_work | Impatient guy.. |
| 14:44.25 | CM_work | points at mujo |
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| 14:59.41 | LostInSpace | hello everybody =) |
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| 16:32.34 | LostInSpace | well i'm at a standstill on this s3c2410 gps |
| 16:32.41 | LostInSpace | all because I can't get the USB host to work correctly =( |
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| 16:51.23 | tomer | anybody knows how usable is android on the freerunner? |
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| 17:25.07 | Toaster` | Whenever I make or receive a call using SHR, I cannot release the call, and I have to reboot the phone to make or receive calls again. Is there any way to avoid this? |
| 17:25.59 | viq | How recent is your SHR? |
| 17:26.06 | Toaster` | yesterday |
| 17:26.16 | viq | Ah. Don't know then. |
| 17:26.32 | Toaster` | was there an existing issue on earlier images? |
| 17:26.45 | dent | I'm using SHR and it mostly works |
| 17:26.58 | dent | ie.. only few times it exploded on me like you say |
| 17:27.41 | Toaster` | dent: other then those times the phone functionality works pretty well? |
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| 17:28.38 | dent | there's the echo... apart from that it's ok |
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| 17:29.07 | dent | I think if somebody calls me and hangs up right away, then this triggers the "endless ringing" state, but I didn't investigate this yet |
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| 17:29.38 | dent | once it happened to me that I couldn't hang up a call |
| 17:29.42 | Toaster` | hrm... you don't recall any particular setting you changed? |
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| 17:29.59 | dent | I'm mostly running with the defaults |
| 17:30.01 | Toaster` | dent: that's what I'm havning. I press release and nothing happens |
| 17:30.05 | Toaster` | ok, me too |
| 17:30.09 | dent | but I'm not sure when did U update for the last time |
| 17:30.21 | dent | ehm, I mean when did I update |
| 17:30.36 | dent | might have been ~ 3-4 days, as I'm quite busy ATM |
| 17:30.45 | Toaster` | I know that feeling |
| 17:32.26 | Toaster` | I may have switch back to 2008-testing. Less polish, but th ephone works |
| 17:33.48 | dent | if you gfind some time, you might investigate this issue |
| 17:33.54 | dent | it's not that difficult... |
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| 17:34.44 | dent | Toaster`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO#How_to_debug |
| 17:34.55 | dent | anyway I'm off now, bye |
| 17:35.11 | Toaster` | Thanks dent |
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| 18:32.06 | tomer | how usable is android on the freerunner? |
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| 18:33.10 | Tm_T | tomer: as usable as it can be without suspend, I believe |
| 18:33.47 | jc | android has no suspend support ? |
| 18:33.53 | spydon | nope |
| 18:34.09 | jc | is it just because of its kernel ? |
| 18:34.12 | spydon | it goes white when it shall wake up |
| 18:34.20 | spydon | jc, I have no idea |
| 18:34.23 | jc | oh |
| 18:34.32 | jc | suspend in latest git kernel seems to work |
| 18:34.37 | jc | why not try that with android ? |
| 18:34.51 | Tm_T | try if you like |
| 18:35.15 | jc | well, I neither have android image nor the time to compile it |
| 18:36.29 | Tm_T | is currently using SHR && Qtextended |
| 18:36.33 | jc | I read something on the list that they are working on some menu button emulation for android or whatever it was, maybe thats what is stopping it right now |
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| 19:23.46 | raspoutine | how do i install other languages for the openmoko? |
| 19:23.53 | raspoutine | shr i mean |
| 19:24.41 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07framework * r1c32b9fb63f7 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (eten.py factory.py gpschannel.py): |
| 19:24.41 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Add EtenDevice for the glofiish devices. |
| 19:24.41 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: This patch also introduces a baudrate config option in ogpsd.serialchannel. |
| 19:24.42 | slaxxin | the older images had other languages i think |
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| 19:42.17 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rdef440027b0a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:42.17 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add support for different SMS message types |
| 19:42.17 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: This patch also (hopefully!) fixes the SMS PDU breakage that has been |
| 19:42.17 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: around in master for some time. |
| 19:42.17 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: SMS types are now sms-{deliver,submit} and sms-{deliver,submit}-report |
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| 20:48.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Has anyone been able to upload GPS tracks to OSM successfully? |
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| 20:57.36 | sebbs | lindi-: i found out why the smses where weird on my phone |
| 20:57.42 | sebbs | my inbox was full :D |
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| 20:59.12 | jc | Digital_Pioneer: I saw something on the wiki about it |
| 20:59.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, there's a page in TangoGPS's wiki on it, but it didn't work. It lost the timestamps. |
| 21:00.02 | jc | Digital_Pioneer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS#Using_tangoGPS_to_create_tracks_for_OpenStreetMap.org |
| 21:00.39 | jc | well, its a perl script and format of tangogps track is right beneath it ;) |
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| 21:02.50 | jc | 30 print <<EOT |
| 21:02.50 | jc | 31 <trkpt lat="@arr[0]" lon="@arr[1]"> |
| 21:02.50 | jc | 32 <ele>@arr[2]</ele> |
| 21:02.50 | jc | 33 <speed>@arr[3]</speed> |
| 21:02.50 | jc | 34 <course>@arr[4]</course> |
| 21:02.51 | jc | 35 <fix>3d</fix> |
| 21:02.53 | jc | 36 <hdop>@arr[5]</hdop> |
| 21:02.55 | jc | 37 <time>@arr[6]</time> |
| 21:02.57 | jc | 38 </trkpt> |
| 21:02.59 | jc | 39 |
| 21:03.01 | jc | guess it should be saving the timestamps |
| 21:03.29 | jc | oooh |
| 21:03.36 | jc | maybe they're in different format |
| 21:03.42 | jc | that could depend on your locale |
| 21:03.48 | jc | might wanna investigate that |
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| 21:19.44 | azaghal | Anyone tried using deb packages from Hackable:1 on Debian? |
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| 21:26.38 | Digital_Pioneer | So... Can I get a keyboard in ScummVM? Heheheh |
| 21:26.59 | linuxxr | i tried to play the hit george in the head with a shoe game an got bumped off the internet!!!!! |
| 21:27.17 | linuxxr | that was funny |
| 21:27.19 | Tm_T | linuxxr: good |
| 21:28.56 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, the mouse gets REALLY screwed up in ScummVM, and there's no way to quit a game because I have no keyboard.... |
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| 21:31.28 | jc | raster: hi do you know how to link a c program against Xlib? (-l parameter |
| 21:31.57 | jc | I'm trying to find the right one but theres no Xlib or libX or whatever |
| 21:33.38 | azaghal | Digital_Pioneer: Debian? |
| 21:33.49 | Digital_Pioneer | azaghal: SHR |
| 21:33.56 | azaghal | Ah |
| 21:33.56 | jc | omg never mind, totally overlooked that, it was -lX11 |
| 21:34.24 | raster | jc: -lX11 |
| 21:34.33 | raster | jc: note - u may need |
| 21:34.35 | jc | raster: yeah, thanks :) |
| 21:34.38 | raster | --L/usrX11R6/lib |
| 21:34.39 | raster | depends |
| 21:34.42 | raster | u'll have to detect |
| 21:34.53 | jc | just -lX11 worked.. I have it in my lib path |
| 21:35.19 | jc | I grepped for X in the libraries, went through the list and overlooked X11 right at the top |
| 21:36.19 | laen | Anyone who can tell me why i'm getting just a black screen after flashing the andriod uImage and jffs2 rootfs? |
| 21:36.34 | raster | jc: it HAPPENS to be in your lib path |
| 21:36.39 | raster | but not in everyone's |
| 21:36.43 | jc | given infinnite number of people, somebody would know for sure |
| 21:36.44 | raster | and not in every build system |
| 21:37.16 | raster | in fact its only in more recent times u can get away without -L/usr/X11R6 (for example) |
| 21:37.23 | jc | yeah I was just figuring out if my desktop is screwed up right at the bottom |
| 21:37.24 | raster | (or for that matter X11R5...) |
| 21:37.46 | jc | compiled just a simple app that draws hello world and it ran ok and took no cpu or memory, something else is wrong here... |
| 21:38.29 | raster | ? |
| 21:38.38 | jc | must be alsalib or something |
| 21:38.38 | raster | did it draw? |
| 21:38.41 | jc | yeah |
| 21:38.47 | raster | where? |
| 21:39.09 | jc | well it worked ok, just many other apps hog 100% cpu from time to time |
| 21:39.29 | raster | it will use some memory |
| 21:39.32 | raster | but not much |
| 21:39.34 | raster | x is not a hog |
| 21:39.37 | raster | its pretty lean |
| 21:39.41 | jc | yeah it does |
| 21:39.43 | jc | 160KB or so |
| 21:39.44 | raster | contray to what everyone likes tyo say |
| 21:39.50 | jc | on a 2GB machine thats nothing :) |
| 21:39.52 | raster | most people are pretty ignorant of x |
| 21:40.02 | raster | they blame x for the faults of rteally bad toolkit libraries or apps |
| 21:40.07 | jc | Xlib is ok |
| 21:40.11 | Tm_T | x or X ? |
| 21:40.17 | raster | a well built toolkit lib/app can be nicely lean |
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| 21:40.22 | jc | I'd see the problem in Glib and GTK for the memory usage |
| 21:40.27 | raster | and expend a bit of resources and it can be very pretty and smooth |
| 21:40.30 | jc | stupid gnome panel takes 30MB of memory |
| 21:40.39 | raster | hehehe |
| 21:40.40 | jc | as does everything else gnome |
| 21:40.42 | raster | aaah no |
| 21:40.43 | raster | it doesnt |
| 21:40.48 | Tm_T | jc: you see, I one reason more to NOT use GNOME |
| 21:40.56 | jc | *everything else graphical gnome |
| 21:41.04 | jc | I use gnome, I like it actually |
| 21:41.07 | raster | again - a fallacy of users who just read top/ps wrongly and dont understand real unix memory usage |
| 21:41.17 | Tm_T | raster: sure |
| 21:41.19 | jc | yeah I was talking about real usage |
| 21:41.21 | jc | not virtual |
| 21:41.33 | raster | "real" memory usage is RESS/RES -SHARE |
| 21:41.34 | raster | err |
| 21:41.38 | raster | RSS/REs -SHARE |
| 21:41.51 | raster | ytou need to take into accoutn SHARE |
| 21:41.53 | jc | oh thats too much to grasp for me |
| 21:42.05 | jc | I'm talking stack, bss and stuff, this is too complicated |
| 21:42.06 | raster | thats share memoyr that it shares for executable + libs + mappd files |
| 21:42.17 | raster | every gnome/gtk process will load the same libgttk for example |
| 21:42.21 | raster | they share the same instance |
| 21:42.23 | jc | of course |
| 21:42.28 | raster | in fact libc too - EVERY process shares that |
| 21:42.33 | jc | thats what I'm talking about |
| 21:42.40 | raster | its REALLY hard sayin "app x uses X ram" |
| 21:42.46 | raster | its nigh impossible to work out |
| 21:42.48 | jc | every stupid gnome program hogs memory with instance of Glib, GTK, dbus, alsalib, ... |
| 21:43.02 | raster | the only way is to measure the system as a whole |
| 21:43.10 | jc | well |
| 21:43.20 | raster | a real measurement of an app is - boot your chouse of environment/.system up to a point |
| 21:43.24 | raster | use "free" |
| 21:43.33 | jc | I run firefox on fluxbox, about 20% memory usage |
| 21:43.40 | jc | altogether |
| 21:43.44 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.44 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.44 | raster | Mem: 3285 926 2359 0 261 351 |
| 21:43.44 | raster | -/+ buffers/cache: 312 2972 |
| 21:43.44 | raster | Swap: 3820 0 3820 |
| 21:43.46 | jc | I run it in a gnome session, about 60% |
| 21:43.46 | raster | for example |
| 21:43.49 | jc | without cache |
| 21:43.58 | raster | see the used +- buffers/cache |
| 21:43.59 | raster | (312) |
| 21:44.00 | jc | hows that for a number |
| 21:44.04 | Tm_T | raster: I hate you |
| 21:44.04 | raster | thats the REAL footprint |
| 21:44.21 | raster | now run your app |
| 21:44.40 | raster | -/+ buffers/cache: 370 2914 |
| 21:44.41 | jc | damn thats not the point, the point is all that stuff are so packed with libraries |
| 21:44.45 | raster | (i ran inkscape) |
| 21:44.46 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r78582569e660 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: accept only valid time from ogpsd |
| 21:44.47 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r3d274adf9b45 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): |
| 21:44.47 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: reformat mobile_network_code into networks.tab |
| 21:44.47 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: This adds a new DBus interface "org.freesmartphone.GSM.Data" on the server |
| 21:44.48 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: object, which can be used to query the network database. |
| 21:44.50 | Tm_T | is crippling with 1 GiB ram |
| 21:45.05 | jc | every stupid little gnome thing consumes a lot just for existing |
| 21:45.08 | raster | so 370-312 ius about as close to a "how much memory it uses" number as you can get |
| 21:45.23 | raster | so.. 58m for inkscape |
| 21:45.46 | jc | and since all applets are separate proceses in gnome panel for example, that gives you a lot |
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| 21:46.07 | raster | just trying to help people as users tend to just erroneously read numbers for "it uses this much ram" all the time - and read the wrong ones :) |
| 21:46.17 | raster | but yes - gnome apps do tend to eat a fair bit of ram |
| 21:46.19 | raster | thats why i use e |
| 21:46.20 | raster | :) |
| 21:46.28 | jc | no you use it cause you wrote it ;P |
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| 21:46.54 | raster | on my treo650 the entire memory footprint of the whole os booted, with hal, x e etc. is 12m |
| 21:47.07 | jc | but I admit the styles look good even without compositing |
| 21:47.33 | Tm_T | is shameless KDE4 farter |
| 21:47.45 | lindi- | $ ps -eorss,cmd|sort -n|tail -n10|awk '{print $1 $2}'|tr '\n' ' '; echo |
| 21:47.45 | lindi- | 5248xvnc4viewer 5848mplayer 6488/usr/sbin/named 8236irssi 9328/usr/sbin/smokeping 11488SCREEN 17096/usr/sbin/tor 35348/usr/bin/emacs 94980Xvnc4 124132/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin |
| 21:47.46 | Tm_T | no, you don't like to know my memory footprint |
| 21:47.47 | jc | anyway on a system with 2GB ram I don't mind the 10% mem usage just for running gnome |
| 21:47.55 | jc | its comfortable |
| 21:48.11 | jc | of course on fr, thats totally another thing |
| 21:48.32 | jc | you can't hog 100MB on phone just for starting a minimal gnome session |
| 21:48.48 | raster | jc: well yes. i wrote it - but i pay pretty close attentin to memory usage in pretty much everything i write. i know that there will be a cost for something - i just need to make sure the memory cost is "Reasonable" given the return for it. so design things to use minimal memory and still maximal speed - so spend the time early on |
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| 21:49.21 | jc | good approach |
| 21:49.26 | Tm_T | indeed |
| 21:49.48 | jc | I think majority of memory usage in stupid little gnome applets is in the libs its linked to anyway |
| 21:49.54 | raster | Tm_T: btw - i lost 800m or so of my ram as i wanted shit like flash to work and so chose a 32bit distro. got 4g - but that's like. 3.2g is more than enough. |
| 21:50.26 | Tm_T | raster: yes, and I would love to have even 2 gigs, would stop this constant swapping for a moment atleast |
| 21:50.27 | jc | hey flash works on my amd64 |
| 21:50.33 | jc | and beautifully |
| 21:50.36 | jc | you need nswrapper |
| 21:50.47 | jc | nspluginwrapper |
| 21:50.50 | raster | Tm_T: u can stop using kde... :) |
| 21:51.00 | raster | jc: thats what i didnt want to bother with |
| 21:51.02 | Tm_T | raster: oh, it's not usage that uses ram too much |
| 21:51.11 | raster | along with all the other things that dont come in 64bit binaries |
| 21:51.12 | raster | or didnt |
| 21:51.13 | jc | no problem it is |
| 21:51.16 | Tm_T | raster: compiling KDE4 takes most |
| 21:52.00 | Tm_T | raster: and if wife left firefox running, that then, in her session |
| 21:52.00 | jc | I just compiled it against firefox, placed flash lib into ns plugins folder and ran the thing |
| 21:52.11 | jc | then it automagically works |
| 21:52.40 | jc | anyway amd64 is now somehow fucked up in the sense that tickless and high resolution timers don't work |
| 21:53.16 | jc | and for a long time it had a rather serious issue with keyboard layout switching |
| 21:53.19 | jc | (you couldn't) |
| 21:53.56 | jc | I'm always using newest git kernel, tickless still isn't fixed |
| 21:54.30 | jc | oh and nvidia drivers overflow my system with many interrupts from time to time so it totally hangs and reacts only to sysrq |
| 21:54.40 | Tm_T | hmmmm |
| 21:54.42 | jc | but other than that its just pleasant :D |
| 21:54.50 | Tm_T | I have never compiled Linux kernel |
| 21:55.10 | Tm_T | on the other hand, I compile KDE several times a day |
| 21:55.11 | raster | root@palmt650:~# free -m |
| 21:55.11 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.12 | raster | Mem: 28 27 1 0 0 14 |
| 21:55.12 | raster | -/+ buffers/cache: 12 16 |
| 21:55.12 | raster | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 21:55.15 | jc | no problem with that |
| 21:55.15 | raster | nice and lean :) |
| 21:55.27 | jc | you just cd into it, make menuconfig, set it up and make |
| 21:55.45 | Tm_T | jc: oh, it's not about if it's hard |
| 21:55.48 | Tm_T | never had to |
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| 21:56.02 | jc | I take it as a part of installing the system |
| 21:56.04 | jc | I run gentoo :D |
| 21:56.33 | jc | it doesn't take long.. and when I did that for a friend with his mandriva, replacing the large stock kernel made a large difference in performance |
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| 21:56.54 | lindi- | i don't understand how it can affect performance |
| 21:57.07 | Tm_T | unless there's some buggy things going on |
| 21:57.13 | jc | well stock kernels tend to be full of functionality and drivers for just about everything |
| 21:57.21 | jc | we compile just the necessary stuff |
| 21:57.21 | lindi- | jc: but they are as modules, on disk |
| 21:57.28 | jc | sometimes |
| 21:57.43 | jc | but you get for example all filesystems compiled in, generic performance tweaks and stuff |
| 21:57.43 | lindi- | jc: you can just rm the modules if they bother you :) |
| 21:57.56 | lindi- | jc: what kind of generic performance tweaks? |
| 21:58.06 | lindi- | jc: faster bootup time I can agree |
| 21:58.14 | jc | well, like compiling bisexually for i686 with generic optimizations |
| 21:58.15 | lindi- | but not much else |
| 21:58.26 | jc | I compile for k8 on my amd64 for example |
| 21:58.30 | lindi- | jc: distros usually have i686-specific kernels already? |
| 21:58.43 | jc | yeah but theyre bisexual |
| 21:58.47 | jc | both for amd and intel |
| 21:58.54 | jc | so they have just generic tweaks |
| 21:59.26 | lindi- | jc: what benchmark did you use? |
| 21:59.33 | jc | well, the overall feel |
| 21:59.44 | jc | it feels good :D |
| 21:59.55 | lindi- | sigh |
| 21:59.55 | jc | mandriva boot time reduced a little |
| 22:00.02 | jc | and responsiveness increased |
| 22:00.08 | jc | like no jittery windows and stuff |
| 22:00.27 | lindi- | better make a measureable benchmark so that those can be added to stock kernels |
| 22:00.28 | jc | maybe the stock kernel had low timer freq or wasn't preemptive |
| 22:00.38 | jc | all those options make difference |
| 22:00.51 | jc | they can't be added |
| 22:00.55 | lindi- | still not very convinced :) |
| 22:01.09 | jc | when you apply those tweaks the kernel WON'T run on any other CPU family than the one you have |
| 22:01.23 | lindi- | but distro could offer kernel for all those |
| 22:01.25 | jc | and possibly on any other machine at all |
| 22:01.38 | jc | could, who would maintain all that crap |
| 22:01.48 | lindi- | autobuilders |
| 22:01.56 | jc | yeah they need to be set up |
| 22:02.01 | lindi- | of course |
| 22:02.18 | lindi- | but still, a benchmark would be useful |
| 22:02.25 | jc | having 50 .config scripts for every cpu and chipset is just dumb |
| 22:02.33 | lindi- | so that you would have numbers to compare against |
| 22:02.51 | jc | oh why.. |
| 22:02.52 | lindi- | and then you could notice regressions caused by individual kernel commits |
| 22:03.01 | lindi- | and not trust on feeling |
| 22:03.15 | jc | I'm pretty sure my kernel can't be more optimized |
| 22:03.32 | lindi- | jc: but next release might have something that makes it slower |
| 22:03.32 | jc | I have only the necessary stuff and its set up for low latency in general |
| 22:04.02 | jc | usually the .config files are portable, just a handful of stuff change |
| 22:04.14 | jc | you just go through the menu, see if everythings ok and then compile it |
| 22:04.17 | jc | matter of 2 minutes or so |
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| 22:05.40 | jc | I don't get it |
| 22:05.52 | jc | compiling a kernel is a pretty natural thing to do, just like taking out trash and stuff |
| 22:06.37 | lindi- | it's quite unnatural to use a computer in any case :) |
| 22:06.59 | jc | you know how I meant that |
| 22:07.26 | lindi- | anyways, an automated testsuite would be very useful for catching regressions |
| 22:07.28 | jc | you could argue its not natural to wear clothes either |
| 22:07.37 | lindi- | jc: yes, that argument does not really work |
| 22:07.39 | jc | thats overcomplicated... |
| 22:08.00 | lindi- | are you arguing that regression testing is not needed? |
| 22:08.18 | jc | I do my regression testing by booting it and seeing if it works ;) |
| 22:08.24 | jc | which usually happens for the first timde |
| 22:08.25 | jc | time |
| 22:08.31 | lindi- | jc: but you can't notice 10ms slowdown that way |
| 22:08.43 | jc | those slowdowns don't happen |
| 22:08.47 | lindi- | jc: they do |
| 22:09.02 | jc | when you like change a major option by mistake, it usually slows it down to a hell freezing point |
| 22:09.07 | jc | you notice things |
| 22:09.10 | lindi- | every time you change the software you usually either make it slightly slower or faster |
| 22:09.12 | jc | get latency in everything |
| 22:09.20 | jc | if it feels ok, its ok for me then |
| 22:09.32 | lindi- | but it can slowly get worse that way |
| 22:09.54 | jc | well |
| 22:09.59 | jc | right now I'm compiling |
| 22:10.04 | jc | my CPU is at 100% |
| 22:10.07 | jc | cache at about 20% |
| 22:10.12 | jc | and memory 100% incl. swap |
| 22:10.17 | jc | and I'm chatting on irc |
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| 22:10.20 | jc | and playing a video |
| 22:10.24 | lindi- | jc: anyways, could you please test the responsiveness of all andy-tracking kernel commits? |
| 22:10.36 | jc | nothing jitters or anything and moving my composited windows has no lag at all |
| 22:10.36 | lindi- | i'd like to know which one is best :) |
| 22:10.39 | jc | I'm pretty happy |
| 22:10.51 | lindi- | jc: i'm not arguing that you are not happy ;) |
| 22:10.54 | jc | this kind of behavior isnt what I see in default in ubuntu |
| 22:11.11 | lindi- | i wouldn't use such systems with non-free bug trackers :P |
| 22:11.25 | jc | oooh |
| 22:11.27 | UndrWater | what are we talking about? |
| 22:11.30 | jc | I'm talking about my desktop kernel :) |
| 22:11.33 | jc | not the neo one :D |
| 22:11.49 | lindi- | jc: why would it be any different? |
| 22:11.58 | UndrWater | got hopeful when you talked about video... |
| 22:12.10 | jc | well in freerunner, evely bad option in kernel matters a lot more |
| 22:12.16 | jc | gets things broken easily |
| 22:12.24 | lindi- | jc: aha, so there automated regression testing could be useful? |
| 22:12.41 | jc | UndrWater: videos work |
| 22:12.50 | jc | and given proper scheduling, you could watch while compiling |
| 22:12.57 | jc | just nice the crap of the compile process |
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| 22:13.17 | jc | I don't have to nice anything here :) |
| 22:13.40 | jc | lindi-: I think they test by trial and error too |
| 22:14.02 | lindi- | http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Firefox is what mozilla people use to test their every commit on many systems |
| 22:14.06 | jc | but its pretty hard to do on fr, you'd have to do it via jtag or in a slow emulator |
| 22:14.34 | lindi- | jc: why? |
| 22:14.34 | UndrWater | vga video on fr? or? |
| 22:14.36 | jc | well, if you feel like you know better than them, you could propose it to them |
| 22:14.45 | lindi- | jc: why not do it like on pc? |
| 22:14.46 | jc | nah, not vga, qvga is fine though |
| 22:14.49 | jc | vga is slow |
| 22:15.08 | jc | see the glamo mplayer video output plugin on the wiki |
| 22:15.26 | UndrWater | will do...used qvga on zaurus...not bad...but not great |
| 22:15.44 | jc | lindi-: has your pc got an ARM920T with gsm, gps, bluetooth,... in it ? |
| 22:15.51 | jc | ooh .. what a shame, then it won't run |
| 22:15.58 | SpeedEvil | qemu |
| 22:16.01 | jc | slow |
| 22:16.06 | jc | but you could |
| 22:16.10 | lindi- | jc: i mean, why not test the kernels on fr just like you test your kernels on pc? |
| 22:16.48 | jc | I do that |
| 22:17.06 | lindi- | jc: so, could you please test a few andy-tracking kernels for me? ;) |
| 22:17.07 | jc | well thats how they do it too, afaik |
| 22:17.12 | jc | they test stuff they code |
| 22:17.27 | jc | what for? ;P |
| 22:17.42 | lindi- | jc: cause otherwise i need to automate it since i don't have time to do it myself |
| 22:17.56 | jc | you're writing kernel patches ? |
| 22:18.02 | lindi- | testing and reporting bugs |
| 22:18.20 | jc | guess I could, but I have no toolchain atm |
| 22:18.27 | jc | I got stuck at glibc |
| 22:18.40 | lindi- | have done some small kernel modules too but only for own use (like loop device with CRC checks etc.) |
| 22:19.22 | lindi- | i thought it only took 2 minutes ;) |
| 22:19.39 | jc | the point with the kernel is that a kernel for audio production station is different from kernel for a database server |
| 22:19.47 | jc | and its not just a few options |
| 22:20.02 | jc | you tweak the kernel for your purposes, thats the point of making them yourself |
| 22:20.25 | lindi- | boot time I accept, as well as adding custom patches |
| 22:20.35 | lindi- | but for other stuff I'd like to see some raw benchmark data |
| 22:20.44 | jc | its in stuff like timer settings, preemption, disk scheduling, filesystem options, I could go on |
| 22:21.14 | jc | my system wouldn't be very well suited as a web server with many threads |
| 22:21.25 | jc | it would preemtp the crap of every stupid syscall |
| 22:21.35 | jc | and neither for safe db transactions |
| 22:21.40 | jc | it does fair scheduling |
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| 22:22.16 | jc | but I can compile, watch videos, browse web and talk with people without slowdowns :P |
| 22:22.28 | lindi- | still, i'd like to see a site that shows examples of different configuration files and how they affect different benchmarks |
| 22:22.29 | jc | it just generally takes longer to process all stuff |
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| 22:22.36 | jc | but doesn't slow down the gui |
| 22:22.39 | lindi- | measuring GUI stuff is just so hard |
| 22:23.04 | jc | the penalties associated with all the options are obvious and are documentet in the kernel |
| 22:23.10 | jc | *d |
| 22:23.19 | jc | help in menuconfig usually helps a lot |
| 22:23.35 | jc | and when the particular option tells you nothing at all, you just google it and learn what it is |
| 22:23.44 | lindi- | or read the source |
| 22:23.55 | jc | its very time consuming for the first time |
| 22:24.03 | jc | but every subsequent time, you feel like in control |
| 22:24.57 | jc | yeah well I meant like if you don't know what is SMP (the concept) you look it up and decide whether its good for you |
| 22:25.46 | lindi- | i'm still bit unsure about why automated regression tests are not a good idea |
| 22:26.14 | jc | they measure just the numbers, not the feel |
| 22:26.30 | jc | and the feel derivates from maany numbers at once |
| 22:26.56 | lindi- | but if all numbers stay the same then the feel is the same |
| 22:27.17 | lindi- | and there is no need for a human to check the feel of that commit? |
| 22:27.21 | jc | may be |
| 22:27.50 | jc | well they release it and people start shouting at them so they realize the've done something wrong and fix it? ;) |
| 22:27.54 | lindi- | and generally if it takes 1.5 seconds longer to open an X window then it should be flagged with red flag and the author warned? |
| 22:28.01 | jc | as linus says |
| 22:28.08 | jc | given enough eyballs, all bugs are shallow |
| 22:28.18 | jc | or was it esr ? |
| 22:28.24 | lindi- | i still think that good automated testing can help a lot |
| 22:28.29 | lindi- | combined with manual testing of course |
| 22:29.16 | jc | I think that function testing for all the individual modules is like more to the point |
| 22:29.25 | lindi- | but anyways, i better get some sleep now. good night |
| 22:29.27 | jc | but devs are lazy to do that, I think |
| 22:29.39 | jc | yeah, good night |
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