| 00:00.12 | jc | wel it starts up but at that time, all the memory is consumed |
| 00:00.15 | jc | *well |
| 00:00.16 | Digital-Pioneer | I know midori keeps crashing... Maybe I should. LOL |
| 00:00.37 | jc | the default browser is good for static pages though |
| 00:00.45 | jc | I use it just for lyrics mostly :) |
| 00:00.59 | jc | minimo can even run meebo, thats cool |
| 00:01.23 | jc | even diamonds opera couldn't do that |
| 00:02.31 | Wonka | meebo? |
| 00:02.49 | jc | a little complicated javascript IM client |
| 00:03.27 | Wonka | eek |
| 00:03.48 | Wonka | prefers ssh to his screen with irssi (connected to IRC and bitlbee) |
| 00:04.24 | jc | yeah or just use gajim or something ;) |
| 00:04.42 | jc | I didn't have time to make my freerunner useful lyet |
| 00:04.47 | jc | *usefull |
| 00:05.03 | jc | I'm still on FDOM |
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| 00:07.38 | jc | well anyway, off to bed for me, good bye and happy hacking :) |
| 00:07.46 | Wonka | night |
| 00:07.54 | Wonka | i don't have PPP running yet |
| 00:08.08 | Wonka | mostly use tangogps for gps logging |
| 00:10.54 | raster | oooh joy |
| 00:10.59 | raster | efl port of webkit... |
| 00:11.02 | raster | git clones |
| 00:12.54 | Toaster` | efl port of webkit? interesting |
| 00:13.54 | Toaster` | raster: is that a possible nice and lightweight browser in some indeterminate future? |
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| 00:16.56 | raster | to let's see |
| 00:17.07 | raster | i need to look at the code, api, and how well it works |
| 00:17.20 | raster | but .. if it works well... i can wrap it up in an elementary widget |
| 00:17.33 | raster | so a brwoser will be pretty much no work |
| 00:17.42 | Toaster` | that's fair. And sounds nice, easy and clean, if it works |
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| 00:20.49 | raster | lets see... |
| 00:21.04 | raster | right now... net connection REALLY SLOW |
| 00:21.24 | raster | Receiving objects: 1% (6010/474620), 2.52 MiB | 2 KiB/s |
| 00:21.49 | Toaster` | that seems a little ... unfortunate. |
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| 00:24.56 | SpeedEvil | Website UI tutorial. http://www.iriver.com/ (how not to) |
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| 00:35.12 | Digital-Pioneer | Ahhh, Minimo is awesome. |
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| 02:55.12 | DocScrutinizer | updated http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing. Enjoy CHANGELOG! ;-) |
| 02:56.28 | Sargun | Open source calypso. |
| 02:56.29 | Sargun | :-P |
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| 02:58.40 | Sargun | DocScrutinizer, https://people.internal.openmoko.org/sean_chiang/gsm/firmware/info/ |
| 02:58.43 | Sargun | is passworded |
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| 03:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | yup, this is copy from our internal docs-store, so of course there might be references to other internal things. Existence of this internal store isn't a secret, we won't edit out any reference, but we also won't disclose our complete internal NDA'd store ;-) |
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| 03:36.54 | rooly | hmm |
| 03:37.20 | rooly | i wonder if the OM could be programmed to work as a bluetooth media remote controller for a windows or linux device |
| 03:37.44 | Sargun | probably |
| 03:38.08 | rooly | that would be neat |
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| 03:39.34 | CIA-67 | openmoko: 03charlie 07org.openmoko.dev * r92c881f867ea 10/packages/openmoko-projects/tichy_git.bb: tichy_git.bb: fix bug |
| 03:40.01 | LostInSpace | hello people =) |
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| 03:40.29 | Digital-Pioneer | rooly: I was just considering that a few seconds ago... :P |
| 03:40.33 | Digital-Pioneer | LostInSpace: Hi |
| 03:40.52 | Digital-Pioneer | rooly just left... |
| 03:40.53 | Digital-Pioneer | :( |
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| 03:41.25 | Digital-Pioneer | So does someone know a way to send a keypress event (with a specified key) from console? SSH, specifically. |
| 03:41.34 | Digital-Pioneer | Because then I could use my FR as a remote. :D |
| 03:42.58 | LostInSpace | using send |
| 03:43.21 | LostInSpace | if you make yourself and except script |
| 03:43.27 | LostInSpace | you and use send "thekey" |
| 03:43.28 | LostInSpace | example |
| 03:43.42 | LostInSpace | #!/usr/bin/example |
| 03:43.56 | LostInSpace | err replace example with expect |
| 03:44.03 | LostInSpace | my mind is off tonight hahaha |
| 03:44.19 | LostInSpace | #!/usr/bin/expect |
| 03:44.21 | LostInSpace | send "\033\[23~" |
| 03:44.25 | LostInSpace | this would send the f11 key |
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| 03:49.05 | LostInSpace | anybody in here used to using s3c24xx-gpio |
| 03:49.57 | Digital-Pioneer | LostInSpace: Expect... I don't know that interpreter... |
| 03:50.30 | LostInSpace | Digital-Pioneer it's fun for automatic telnet/ssh scripts |
| 03:50.41 | LostInSpace | you can tell it to expect User: then send "theuser" |
| 03:50.50 | LostInSpace | then expect Password: then send "thepassword" |
| 03:51.24 | Digital-Pioneer | Automating SSH... Sounds extremely useful. |
| 03:51.31 | LostInSpace | i have fun using expect to spawn firefox on ppls pc and make them autologin stuff |
| 03:52.00 | Digital-Pioneer | Heheheh |
| 03:52.13 | Digital-Pioneer | My favorite computer prank is modding the hosts file. :) |
| 03:52.24 | LostInSpace | I used iptables on the router |
| 03:52.26 | Digital-Pioneer | Windows even has one... And NOBODY knows about it. xD |
| 03:52.50 | LostInSpace | i reroute using iptables on the gateway |
| 03:52.53 | LostInSpace | way more fun hahaha |
| 03:53.12 | Digital-Pioneer | That assumes your gateway runs Linux and sshd. |
| 03:53.20 | Digital-Pioneer | Mine doesn't. :( |
| 03:53.53 | LostInSpace | no sshd |
| 03:53.56 | LostInSpace | just gateway |
| 03:53.58 | LostInSpace | =P |
| 03:54.28 | Digital-Pioneer | Now, how would I send a spacebar from expect? |
| 03:54.42 | LostInSpace | gotta find the key for that =) |
| 03:55.21 | LostInSpace | http://expect.nist.gov/FAQ.html#q53 |
| 03:55.51 | Digital-Pioneer | .gov? Surprising. |
| 03:55.56 | LostInSpace | lol |
| 03:55.58 | LostInSpace | od -c |
| 03:56.01 | LostInSpace | then press your key |
| 03:56.09 | LostInSpace | then remove what u need and make ur send function complete =) |
| 04:06.35 | Digital-Pioneer | LostInSpace: OK, how would I perform an SSH login? |
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| 04:09.41 | slaxxin | http://pastebin.com/m1c06b598 |
| 04:12.06 | LostInSpace | Digital-Pioneer using expect and send |
| 04:13.26 | Digital-Pioneer | LostInSpace: Yeah... I can make a script to SSH in and send a key, right? |
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| 04:29.45 | Digital-Pioneer | LostInSpace: Is there a way to make expect login to a remote system via SSH and send a key so that GUI apps running in X receive it? Hehehe |
| 04:31.33 | LostInSpace | ouff |
| 04:31.44 | LostInSpace | that's touchy |
| 04:32.08 | LostInSpace | I would use and expect script to login to ssh |
| 04:32.29 | LostInSpace | then an expect script on the machine would get executed that would run under the user that is running X and start it there |
| 04:32.54 | Digital-Pioneer | Yeah, well, if I could have my way, I would have it login remotely, find a button on the screen and click it, but that's probably impossible. Hehehehe |
| 04:33.17 | LostInSpace | no it's possible |
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| 04:33.26 | LostInSpace | but expect ain't gonna be the thing to find the button on screen |
| 04:33.32 | Digital-Pioneer | Even if the coordinates of the button are variable? |
| 04:33.35 | LostInSpace | expect will be able to auto login and do stuff |
| 04:33.45 | LostInSpace | well you could inject mouse positions |
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| 04:34.56 | Digital-Pioneer | Well, I'll tackle that eventually then, but first the simple stuff... Just send a spacebar to whatever in X receives it. As if I hit it on the keyboard. Any idea how I could do that? |
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| 04:41.28 | LostInSpace | like i said |
| 04:41.34 | Digital-Pioneer | Anyone else having trouble with the flashlight and laser on their stylus pen? The laser works well for about a tenth of a second, then gets really weak... |
| 04:41.37 | LostInSpace | #!/usr/bin/expect |
| 04:41.41 | Digital-Pioneer | The flashlight, just kinda random. |
| 04:41.41 | LostInSpace | send "thespacekey" |
| 04:41.51 | LostInSpace | use od -c then grab the space key |
| 04:42.13 | Digital-Pioneer | LostInSpace: Yeah, but that doesn't seem to be sending it to X... |
| 04:42.38 | Digital-Pioneer | It appears to be sending it to the SSH session it's logged in at. |
| 04:43.17 | LostInSpace | usualy expect has to laucnh the process entended to send the key to it |
| 04:43.21 | LostInSpace | ie Spawn it |
| 04:43.35 | jbick | does anyone know what to do if you cannot connect to the gsm device using 'cu'? The program hangs on Connecting and on the wiki it says the gsm device could be faulty but I jsut want to make sure |
| 04:44.19 | LostInSpace | jbick no clue sorry |
| 04:46.24 | LostInSpace | Digital-Pioneer you could always try injecting keypress directly in the device your using |
| 04:47.19 | Digital-Pioneer | LostInSpace: Yes, but that defeats the purpose of the remote control. :P |
| 04:48.08 | mrgarlic | freerunner speaker stopped working today. hmmm? |
| 04:48.52 | Digital-Pioneer | mrgarlic: alsamixer? :) |
| 04:49.16 | mrgarlic | does that mean i should have a drink. |
| 04:49.19 | mrgarlic | ? |
| 04:49.37 | LostInSpace | ? |
| 04:49.53 | mrgarlic | or make a bad joke? |
| 04:50.06 | mrgarlic | i guess i already did that. |
| 04:51.32 | Digital-Pioneer | alsamixer.... It's a mixer... Make sure nothing muted your audio. |
| 04:53.15 | mrgarlic | thanks. |
| 04:53.48 | Digital-Pioneer | Can I easily make my FR route an ad-hoc network that my notebook can connect to and I can SSH between them? For when the cable isn't convenient, you know? |
| 04:54.02 | mrgarlic | excellent. |
| 04:54.29 | mrgarlic | i am just hacking at this for the first time. |
| 04:54.50 | mrgarlic | second week with it. |
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| 04:55.49 | Digital-Pioneer | mrgarlic: Ahh, it's my second day. :) |
| 04:55.54 | mrgarlic | thinking i might get GPS antenna, 3rd party battery charger with about half a dozen back up batteries. |
| 04:56.01 | mrgarlic | nice. |
| 04:57.06 | mrgarlic | have you had the battery run down on it? |
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| 04:58.33 | Digital-Pioneer | mrgarlic: Only when I first got it. :) |
| 04:59.10 | Digital-Pioneer | How much do backup batts cost? I'm considering getting one myself. |
| 04:59.42 | mrgarlic | well then i am par for the course. |
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| 04:59.52 | mrgarlic | radio shack $11 or so |
| 05:00.12 | mrgarlic | thinking that a USB battery source might be the trick through. |
| 05:00.25 | mrgarlic | either tin can or store bought. |
| 05:01.02 | mrgarlic | but i already have several devices running on similar battery. so i am willing to invest in charger. |
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| 05:40.19 | KenYoung | It looks to me like the SHR distribution has no keyboard at all. Does anyone know if that's true, or if I'm just too stupid to figure out how to access the keyboard? |
| 05:41.07 | mwester | Perhaps there's a third option? |
| 05:42.12 | KenYoung | Well, those two options are not mutually exclusive. |
| 05:42.18 | mwester | It's always been in the top bar -- you may have to tap on the bar to get it to drop down, but there should be the text "querty" on there to bring up the keyboard (upper left, if I recall correctly). |
| 05:42.36 | mwester | Perhaps something got broken recently, though. |
| 05:43.09 | KenYoung | mwester, I've tried that, but it isn't there on the rootfs I got from the bearstech site. |
| 05:43.21 | mwester | Ok. :( |
| 05:45.46 | slaxxin | well pull down the top menu an to the right side there should be a qwerty |
| 05:46.34 | slaxxin | when u get it? |
| 05:46.59 | KenYoung | slaxxer, Oh yes, it is there - I was looking at the wrong side. Sorry for being such an idiot. |
| 05:47.11 | slaxxin | i have the last 2 days an all is well except gps |
| 05:47.17 | slaxxin | ok |
| 05:47.24 | slaxxin | so many oss |
| 05:48.14 | slaxxin | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
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| 05:58.51 | slaxxin | id1935 |
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| 06:14.03 | slaxxin | who has suncom |
| 06:14.16 | slaxxin | whose screenie is that? |
| 06:16.13 | KenYoung | mwester, slaxxer Thanks for your help on my keyboard problem. |
| 06:16.37 | KenYoung | Ooops, slaxxin, not slaxxer |
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| 06:27.34 | slaxxin | both the same?:) |
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| 06:29.36 | slaxxin | ยง:) |
| 06:35.11 | slaxxin | no gps on shr |
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| 06:43.07 | slaxxin | http://www.armedslack.org/ |
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| 06:50.15 | CVirus | slackware sux |
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| 06:57.30 | gecco | good morning |
| 06:58.51 | dent | morgen |
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| 07:14.30 | orzo | hello |
| 07:14.39 | orzo | i made a 3 way cable |
| 07:15.17 | orzo | one end gives usb power to the other two ends. Anotehr end is the phone. Another end is a usb device |
| 07:15.27 | orzo | however |
| 07:15.34 | orzo | it doesnt work |
| 07:15.53 | orzo | why not? |
| 07:15.56 | orzo | i get power |
| 07:16.17 | orzo | but usb devices dont seem to turn on |
| 07:16.25 | orzo | and the phone doesnt seem to recognize them |
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| 07:17.17 | lindi- | orzo: you forgot pullup resistors |
| 07:18.08 | lindi- | no, pulldown |
| 07:18.37 | orzo | hm? |
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| 07:20.04 | lindi- | orzo: see USB_Host, line 85 |
| 07:20.09 | lindi- | orzo: (in wiki) |
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| 07:23.16 | orzo | thanks |
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| 07:32.01 | slaxxer | http://pastebin.com/m102917bf |
| 07:32.26 | slaxxer | umount /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 07:32.47 | slaxxer | umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 07:33.03 | slaxxer | what am i not doing correctly? |
| 07:33.13 | orzo | i put it in host mode |
| 07:33.16 | orzo | still no luck |
| 07:34.05 | orzo | i have it plugged into an optical mouse for testing |
| 07:37.00 | orzo | well the mouse came on |
| 07:37.04 | orzo | so it seemed to work |
| 07:37.23 | orzo | i plugged in a keyboard now |
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| 07:37.37 | orzo | the keys dont seem to do anything |
| 07:41.52 | lindi- | orzo: are you trying to charge and operate as usb host? |
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| 07:48.13 | orzo | lindi-: no, but that's doable too right? |
| 07:48.23 | orzo | or maybe, i am, but i can turn off the charge |
| 07:49.14 | orzo | i plugged in a cordless keyboard and when i hit keys, a light lights up on the receiver attached to teh neo |
| 07:49.14 | orzo | but the neo doesnt respond |
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| 07:52.32 | lindi- | orzo: try to decide :) |
| 07:52.39 | lindi- | orzo: afaik you need the two 15K resistors for that |
| 07:53.11 | lindi- | orzo: since when fr does not provide power to USB bus it will disable its own resistors |
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| 07:57.10 | CIA-67 | openmoko: 03jeremy 07org.openmoko.dev * r08e8537b8bb3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: Bump up om-locations to the latest. |
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| 08:01.40 | orzo | lindi-: do you need resistors if simply tell the neo to draw full power with software? |
| 08:02.11 | lindi- | orzo: afaik yes |
| 08:02.39 | lindi- | orzo: can't you measure if the pulldown resistors are there in normal case and in your custom setup? |
| 08:02.49 | lindi- | orzo: the mouse expects to see the resistor there always |
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| 08:03.53 | orzo | the mouse lit up like it was working |
| 08:04.01 | orzo | and the keyboard seems to be working |
| 08:04.04 | orzo | but the neo doesnt respond |
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| 08:04.30 | orzo | i have usbhid loaded |
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| 08:11.02 | lindi- | orzo: the light probably lights up when it gets power |
| 08:11.13 | lindi- | orzo: it doe snot tell you anything about the data lines (D+ and D-) |
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| 08:14.04 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:17.24 | orzo | no |
| 08:17.39 | orzo | lindi-: its a wireless keyboard and the light on teh receiver lights every time a button is pushed |
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| 08:18.28 | orzo | and not when no button is pushed |
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| 09:06.17 | radekp | good morning, yesterday i updated android git from koolu, compiled, but the image does not start. It just hangs somewhere in init. The previous revisions were running Ok. Any1 here with the same problem? |
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| 09:10.28 | Wonka | i like the "simple lock" action bound to the aux button in current SHR. but: could this fat opaque bar please be altered in a way so that i can still see most of the screen? |
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| 09:11.22 | Wonka | makes navit and tangogps easier to use if you don't have to unlock it, and then remember to lock it again before stuffing the FR back into your jacket pocket |
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| 09:51.54 | lindi- | is there some way to stop fr from charging from usb while still being able to use usb for networking? i'd like to measure consumption of various parts |
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| 10:01.27 | beni | well listening to mp3 works very well |
| 10:01.41 | beni | i had about 9 hours music |
| 10:01.56 | beni | or 8 to 9 |
| 10:02.00 | beni | do not know exactly |
| 10:02.11 | lindi- | beni: i'd like to do accurate measurements here :) |
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| 10:56.30 | sebbs | btw just to let you guys know my battery was dead this morning and i had no trouble connecting it though the usb getting it charaged enough to boot |
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| 12:16.27 | Wonka | jay! |
| 12:16.29 | Wonka | error loading /usr/share/zhone/zhone.edj: No error (file='/usr/share/zhone/zhone.edj', group='swallow') |
| 12:19.06 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1b616cefa90a 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py): otimed: add simple timesync to NTP and GPS |
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| 12:30.14 | gecco | i have release openvibe with some bugfix |
| 12:31.08 | Wonka | not that openvibe, nor? http://www.irisa.fr/bunraku/OpenViBE/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
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| 13:34.41 | ragulp_ | is ther a openmoko developer corner |
| 13:34.43 | ragulp_ | on the web? |
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| 13:35.04 | mirko-paroli | try #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 16:47.33 | slaxxin | now all we need is an open free cell network:) |
| 16:48.28 | cb22 | openbts perhaps? |
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| 16:50.33 | qknight | huhu |
| 16:50.40 | qknight | can i use kmobiletools or any other application of that kind? |
| 16:50.51 | qknight | i would like to send mails via my openmoko neo using a command line or a gui |
| 16:50.57 | qknight | didn't find much in the wiki |
| 16:51.07 | cb22 | qknight: smseS? |
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| 16:51.14 | qknight | short message |
| 16:51.17 | qknight | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SMS#Text_Mode |
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| 16:51.19 | qknight | something like that |
| 16:51.43 | qknight | sorry not mails as in emails of course |
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| 16:52.11 | cb22 | qknight: well, if you can send them from the command line on the phone, you can always use ssh to do it remotely |
| 16:52.36 | qknight | i know. i don't use the command line for that yet |
| 16:52.44 | qknight | and i would prefere a bluetooth soluiton |
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| 16:53.15 | max_posedon | You can setup bluetooth network, and ssh anyway) |
| 16:53.20 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r75b2a9f37610 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/powercontrol_neo.py: |
| 16:53.21 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: powercontrol_neo: use kernel-agnostic sysfs path |
| 16:53.21 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: remove super() calls and limit scanning to the one directory where we expect the device nodes |
| 16:53.37 | simoo | Hi I have just been given a freerunner for christmas (early I know!) could someone explain to me what a 'git' is? I would like to try android |
| 16:53.45 | cb22 | qknight: iirc its pretty easy to get the device to expose the gsm modem as a bluetooth rfcomm channel |
| 16:54.33 | qknight | oh is it? |
| 16:54.34 | qknight | how? |
| 16:54.36 | cb22 | then you could use tools that work with normal AT commands |
| 16:54.41 | qknight | ah nice! |
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| 16:57.29 | cb22 | qknight: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS#Bluetooth_GPS_relay |
| 16:57.34 | qknight | thanks! |
| 16:57.47 | cb22 | you'd need to modify accordingly for the gsm modem |
| 16:58.00 | cb22 | and you'd want to kill anything else that might access it |
| 16:58.01 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r79984a6f78dd 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: om: use kernel-agnostic sysfs node path |
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| 17:03.54 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd22d3d504965 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/accelerometer.py: odeviced: accelerometer: use sysfs path agnostic to kernel version |
| 17:07.37 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbf16e8d6f660 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: |
| 17:07.37 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: kernel26: Don't dump exception if we can't register to the netlink object (multiple times) |
| 17:07.37 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: It might have been successful the first time. This code will be changed soon anyways, we're going |
| 17:07.39 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: to introduce a kobject multiplexer in the framework services. |
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| 17:40.36 | markj3450 | Hi, re-flashed my Freerunner to Om 2008 yesterday, but I can find no terminal on it, can anyone tell me how to enable / install this? |
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| 17:41.44 | white_gecko | login via ssh |
| 17:42.09 | white_gecko | and "opkg install openmoko-terminal" |
| 17:42.12 | white_gecko | i think |
| 17:42.21 | markj3450 | ah, great |
| 17:42.47 | markj3450 | do you know how to install it without internet access? still trying to get that up as well |
| 17:43.09 | white_gecko | ok so first lets configure the internet access |
| 17:43.18 | white_gecko | do you have the usb-bridge running? |
| 17:43.18 | markj3450 | ok |
| 17:43.39 | markj3450 | mmmm, not sure, using XP to work with it unfortunately |
| 17:43.47 | white_gecko | oh |
| 17:43.59 | Zorkman | markj3450: when you are using xp |
| 17:44.08 | Zorkman | set your "real" internet connection as shared |
| 17:44.10 | white_gecko | thanks Zorkman |
| 17:44.22 | white_gecko | i don't know win XP |
| 17:44.24 | markj3450 | but I am probably going to burn a live cd to avoid the XP complications |
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| 17:44.39 | markj3450 | yeah, tried the sharing business |
| 17:44.50 | Zorkman | markj3450: and have you editted the resolv.conf? or isn't that nescessary in 2008.x anymore? (it isn't in SHR) |
| 17:45.27 | markj3450 | hmmm, I am not sure, what would need to be edited in resolv.conf? |
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| 17:46.38 | white_gecko | you have to insert your dns |
| 17:46.44 | markj3450 | ok |
| 17:46.55 | markj3450 | I will look into that |
| 17:46.57 | white_gecko | in shr it is |
| 17:47.06 | white_gecko | sorry for pasting in irc. |
| 17:47.08 | white_gecko | $ cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:47.09 | white_gecko | nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 17:47.11 | white_gecko | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
| 17:47.35 | markj3450 | thanks, I will try that |
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| 17:47.53 | white_gecko | ok so have fun |
| 17:47.57 | white_gecko | i have to leave now |
| 17:48.09 | markj3450 | thank you very much! |
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| 18:13.11 | sleipnir | can someone plz tell me how to migrate my openmoko project if I can't dump the svn repos? |
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| 18:19.59 | Dave | sleipnir, what? |
| 18:20.46 | sleipnir | i want to migrate my project from projects.openmoko.org to another server, but the admins already deny a ssh login |
| 18:21.20 | sleipnir | I want to keep my log so svnadmin dump/load would do that, but this requires a shell :-( |
| 18:21.59 | sleipnir | dave: any ideas? |
| 18:23.21 | Weiss | sleipnir: reading the lists, it sounds like projects.openmoko.org might not be going away after all |
| 18:23.45 | sleipnir | weiss: do you really trust that stuff? |
| 18:24.46 | Dave | Oh! |
| 18:24.53 | Weiss | why not? |
| 18:25.14 | Dave | Politely ask the assistance of an OM admin? :) |
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| 18:25.19 | Weiss | you could use git-svn to retrieve the entire history into a Git repo (then optionally put it back into a different one with dcommit) |
| 18:25.28 | Dave | yeah |
| 18:25.42 | Dave | or git->svn if that's your personal preference (as it is mine) |
| 18:26.05 | sleipnir | dunno, maybe because it's very vague and we don't have write access to the repositoy until the issue is resolved |
| 18:26.41 | Weiss | i agree, plus having a backup of your history is necessary anyway... |
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| 18:26.56 | sleipnir | weiss, dave: I would like to keep svn... it's really not a problem if I only would have the dump... |
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| 18:27.52 | Toaster` | I'm testing out SHR and for the life of me I can't find the keyboard. And illume seems to be instlled. Any tips? |
| 18:28.16 | sleipnir | i think i will ask openmoko admins to simply create the dumps for all projects and put them to the files section of the corresponding project |
| 18:29.16 | jbick | does anyone know what it means if the 'cu' command hangs on Connecting? The wiki says that it could be a faulty gsm device but I also do not have a sim card and am wondering if that could be the problem |
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| 18:31.58 | sicu | Toaster`: touch the illume top-shelf so it drops down, and qwerty will be in top right corner |
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| 18:33.58 | Toaster` | sicu: Hiding in plain sight. Mani thanks |
| 18:34.04 | Toaster` | *Many thanks |
| 18:37.44 | Toaster` | And another quick question, is it common for SHR to not have GSM connectivity? |
| 18:38.16 | Dave | sleipnir: that sounds like a good idea :) |
| 18:38.46 | sleipnir | dave: I posted it to the mailinglist, let's wait for the response ;-) |
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| 18:40.35 | sicu | Toaster`: if it's your first boot after flash, then reboot and try again |
| 18:40.53 | Toaster` | sicu: first thing I tried. |
| 18:41.05 | sicu | Toaster`: some ppl are having issues with ophonekitd after first boot |
| 18:41.10 | sicu | hmm .. ok, 2 secs |
| 18:41.27 | sicu | have you checked to see if ophonekitd is running? |
| 18:42.06 | Toaster` | sicu: I will do in 2 sec |
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| 18:45.44 | Toaster` | sicu: it seems not |
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| 18:54.53 | sicu | Toaster`: then start it up, and see how it goes =] --> DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& |
| 18:55.10 | Toaster` | sicu: after 3 reboots it seems to be up now |
| 18:55.52 | sicu | Toaster`: good good ... seems there's a racecondition, but they're working on it upstream |
| 18:56.08 | Toaster` | sicu: good enough for me. |
| 18:56.14 | Toaster` | now to get teh wifi working |
| 18:56.18 | sicu | Toaster`: just start it manually if it happens again ;] until they get it fixed |
| 18:56.33 | sicu | hehe ... always something =p |
| 18:56.35 | Toaster` | sicu: will do |
| 18:56.57 | Toaster` | I'm a tinkerer, if it's fixed, I break it again, then get out the soldering iron :) |
| 18:58.39 | sicu | no need here ... it's already broken ;p |
| 18:58.46 | Toaster` | heh |
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| 19:12.23 | mick_laptop | anyone recommend any accessories for the neo freerunner? |
| 19:12.38 | mick_laptop | is there a place in the wiki for people selling accessories? |
| 19:12.47 | AntonTakk | a working cell phone? ;) jk |
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| 19:13.09 | mick_laptop | mine works great |
| 19:13.15 | mick_laptop | i haven't had any problems |
| 19:13.22 | AntonTakk | what image you using? |
| 19:13.26 | mick_laptop | which is odd, since everyone else has issues |
| 19:13.36 | mick_laptop | stock - i haven't upgraded yet |
| 19:13.42 | mwester | heh! |
| 19:13.47 | AntonTakk | ah, old 2007.2 |
| 19:13.49 | mwester | That's the distro Om killed. |
| 19:13.52 | mick_laptop | right |
| 19:14.04 | mwester | obsolete - yet it worked better than most everything else. |
| 19:14.05 | SpeedEvil | 2007.2 was almost working when it was killed. |
| 19:14.10 | AntonTakk | yeah, i really wish they wouldn't have killed it |
| 19:14.27 | mick_laptop | i put in my friend's sim card - then everything worked (bare functionality) but it worked |
| 19:14.32 | AntonTakk | otoh, 2007.2 ui/apps on fso back end would be very nice |
| 19:14.46 | mick_laptop | just when i put in another sim - then it couldn't read messages (known bug in 2007.2) |
| 19:14.52 | SpeedEvil | 2007.2 + working suspend/... and it'd pretty much be a barely usable phone. |
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| 19:15.32 | mick_laptop | i probably haven't used it enough to run into too many problems |
| 19:15.57 | mick_laptop | can i connect to my asterisk pbx at home w/ it? |
| 19:16.25 | AntonTakk | i think there is an app for that, if it will run on 2007.2 |
| 19:16.28 | mick_laptop | i'd like to either find a voip project or build a basic client |
| 19:16.44 | mick_laptop | oh i'll upgrade for sure |
| 19:17.10 | SpeedEvil | you know uyou can only do VOIP over wifi? |
| 19:17.11 | mick_laptop | i'll just keep a backup on a microsd card though |
| 19:17.19 | mick_laptop | yes i know that |
| 19:17.30 | mick_laptop | if i call home then i'll be at work (we have wifi here) |
| 19:17.58 | mick_laptop | and i have wifi at home |
| 19:18.07 | mick_laptop | not that that even matters :) |
| 19:18.46 | mick_laptop | is there a prefered dev environment for openmoko apps? |
| 19:19.01 | mick_laptop | c, c++, python, java etc. |
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| 19:19.37 | mick_laptop | i'm prepared for an "alpha" phone btw -- and i'm a developer |
| 19:19.50 | mick_laptop | so whatever doesn't exist, i'm cool with writing |
| 19:20.57 | mwester | famous last words... |
| 19:21.39 | mwester | many others have set foot upon that path, and those that remain on that path are as cynical as I. |
| 19:21.42 | mick_laptop | are the apis at least stable? |
| 19:21.45 | mwester | No |
| 19:21.51 | mwester | Not event the kernel is stable. |
| 19:21.52 | mick_laptop | fuck |
| 19:22.18 | mick_laptop | ok, what has yet to be done? |
| 19:22.42 | mick_laptop | has anyone started writing a voip app? |
| 19:23.04 | mick_laptop | mwester: what are the big hurdles |
| 19:23.09 | mwester | The long-term direction is FSO (dbus-oriented framework), and currently the most promising user-space is SHR. |
| 19:23.18 | mick_laptop | mwester: i've done embedded development in the past |
| 19:23.46 | mick_laptop | so who knows - i might be useful :) |
| 19:24.18 | mwester | hurdles begin down at the deep kernel level with suspend/resume problems with the hardware. A workaround that seems to dodge the biggest one (by preventing deep sleep mode on a bit of the display hardware) came about recently, but is only available on the truely experimental (mostly broken) kernels. |
| 19:24.39 | mwester | Open issues with the GSM modem itelsf include bug 1024 -- read that one for yourself, it's a real joy. |
| 19:25.04 | mwester | There is only the beginnings of power management (suspend/resume, no freq. changing). |
| 19:25.47 | mwester | Moving up in the levels, there's no real problem with the lack of power management since there's no agreement on how it should be handled by userspace. |
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| 19:27.58 | mwester | Just scan some of the mailing lists, and hang about here, you'll pick up a good sense of some of the major issues with the hardware, and you'll probably also pick up that there's a huge discconnect between the few remaining Om developers and the community, the best way of descrbing it being to note that the Om kernel developers not only don't use OM devices at all, they don't even use a standard rootfs. |
| 19:28.34 | mick_laptop | :( |
| 19:28.56 | mick_laptop | that why harold stopped working on it? |
| 19:29.14 | mick_laptop | i was going to ask him at ccc - but i now can't go :( |
| 19:29.34 | mwester | Nevertheless, the community has really rallied together around FSO and SHR, and is making great progress with both the GTA01 (abandoned by OM) and the GTA02 -- the major milestone IMO happened when people realized that waiting for Om to fix anything was a mistake. Even the major breaktrhoughs on the proprieatry hardware have been from the community (with the exception of the wifo... |
| 19:29.45 | mwester | er wifi -- the Om developer ont eh wifi did a great job. |
| 19:30.16 | mwester | mick_laptop: you'll have to ask harald himself, or just read his blog. He's pretty open about it. |
| 19:30.53 | mick_laptop | ya, sorry for the typo |
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| 19:31.33 | mwester | It's a fun project -- just get your expectations set correctly is all. :) |
| 19:33.04 | mick_laptop | heh |
| 19:33.39 | mick_laptop | who is leading the team now? |
| 19:36.44 | mick_laptop | i take it that Om developers hang out in here? |
| 19:37.28 | mick_laptop | or is ther that much of a disconnect between the devs and the community? |
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| 19:38.10 | sicu | mick_laptop: most devs hang out in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 19:38.46 | mwester | mick_laptop: That's a good question... Mickey hangs about here and in #openmoko-cdevel, is the visionary and lead for the FSO framework, and has the respect of everyone in the community -- and I expect that is true inside Openmoko as well. |
| 19:40.08 | mwester | mick_laptop: some of the ex-openmoko developer hang about here as well. But the kernel developers live in their own little world at Openmoko; reachable only by mailing list. |
| 19:41.43 | mick_laptop | anyone know if they are hiring? |
| 19:41.57 | mwester | Check the announcements; they are looking for someone. |
| 19:42.20 | mick_laptop | :D |
| 19:42.33 | mick_laptop | that would be my dream job for sure |
| 19:42.47 | mwester | ;) more famous last words. |
| 19:43.07 | mick_laptop | oh man stop scaring me :) |
| 19:43.19 | mick_laptop | don't burst my bubble :( |
| 19:43.20 | sicu | hehe |
| 19:43.46 | mwester | :P you're right; the freerunner will do that on its own eventually... :D |
| 19:43.52 | sicu | hand the poor man some soap for his bubbles |
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| 19:45.22 | mwester | hehe! it can be fun -- I think it's just important not to count on Om for very much, instead focus on the community. Speaking for myself, life became much happier when I stopped expecting anything from Om, and started working with FSO, SHR, and with Qtopia. :) |
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| 19:50.51 | ceupers | omg, interesting words! |
| 19:50.51 | mick_laptop | :) |
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| 20:15.59 | snake | hi |
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| 20:27.07 | CIA-67 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r7a56ea1bfc59 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: fix blocking otimed without connectivity |
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| 20:34.33 | mick_laptop | ok, i'm having that problem again where i can't get the phone to wake up |
| 20:35.08 | mick_laptop | i just hold down the power and it does nothing |
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| 20:38.35 | simoo | Hi, I'm using qtopia with my freerunner, how do I copy files to the memory card, it doesn't appear as a removable device when I plug it in |
| 20:38.38 | elserpiente | try push power butten and then click on screen |
| 20:40.09 | mick_laptop | nope :-/ |
| 20:40.37 | elserpiente | dunno |
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| 21:00.39 | bernt | Hello, Can someone explain me how to set up the usb network connection to automatic mode? I had it running some months ago, but now I always have to use ifdown usb0; ifup usb0 when I reconnect the freerunner. |
| 21:01.33 | bernt | (I'm using ubuntu intrepid as host system) |
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| 21:26.55 | raspoutine | is it possible to import contacts into shr's openmoko-contacts? like in vcard format for instance. |
| 21:27.42 | viq | IIRC I saw something about this on the wiki |
| 21:31.58 | sleipnir | ummm after compiling u-boot and trying to get it up with dfu-utils I get: |
| 21:32.00 | sleipnir | state(10) = dfuERROR, status(1) = File is not targeted for use by this device |
| 21:32.25 | sleipnir | is it possible that my device is gta02v5 not gta02v6? |
| 21:32.53 | ColdFyre | what? |
| 21:33.06 | ColdFyre | there is only gta01 and gta02 |
| 21:33.08 | simoo | Hi, using OM 2008.9 is it possible to import contacts eg. vcards? |
| 21:33.12 | elserpiente | check it on your FR: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:33.52 | viq | simoo: check wiki, I saw something about that |
| 21:33.55 | elserpiente | ColdFyre : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions |
| 21:34.14 | sleipnir | coldfyre: for building uboot there is a target gta02v5_config and gat02v6_config |
| 21:34.22 | sleipnir | s/gat/gta |
| 21:34.22 | simoo | viq: thanks ill have a search |
| 21:35.11 | sleipnir | coldfyre: and because i _have_ the gps fix i thought it would be v6 |
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| 21:47.36 | simoo | does anyone know how to share my mac's internet connection with om2008.9? |
| 21:49.11 | raspoutine | simoo, for the contacts import it's easy with om |
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| 21:49.27 | raspoutine | just use the command line and pass a vcard file to the qtopia program |
| 21:49.38 | simoo | raspoutine: great thanks, how |
| 21:49.57 | raspoutine | if someone found the technique for shr it would be usefull for me :) |
| 21:50.16 | simoo | how do I get the vcard file onto the freerunner? |
| 21:50.35 | raspoutine | simoo, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Enabling_the_Mac_as_an_Internet_Router |
| 21:50.40 | sicu | SHR only stores contacts on SIM for for now |
| 21:50.41 | raspoutine | for the connection sharing |
| 21:50.46 | simoo | thank you |
| 21:51.16 | raspoutine | simoo, the same page contains information on sending files to your phone |
| 21:51.31 | simoo | right, thanks :0 |
| 21:51.34 | simoo | :) |
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| 21:52.28 | raspoutine | sicu, you mean no software to import data to sim exists yet? |
| 21:54.04 | raspoutine | i mean, is there eg a dbus interface to the sim adressbook? |
| 21:57.41 | simoo | does the standard 2008.9 image have a terminal? |
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| 21:58.37 | sicu | not that i'm aware of, no |
| 21:58.41 | viq | no, you need to install xterm |
| 21:59.17 | simoo | but I can't install xterm without internet connection and I can't get an internel connection without a terminal |
| 21:59.30 | viq | usb networking? |
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| 21:59.48 | simoo | ssh? |
| 21:59.54 | viq | Also, in settings you have a way to configure wireless |
| 22:00.25 | simoo | I can't get wireless to connect |
| 22:00.30 | simoo | I tried that first |
| 22:00.59 | sicu | raspoutine: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD |
| 22:01.30 | viq | simoo: did you try getting usb networking to work? |
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| 22:02.40 | simoo | I have just told my mac to share the connection but I need to edit resolve.conf on the freerunner next I think |
| 22:03.13 | viq | if they are connected you can just ssh into it. |
| 22:03.45 | viq | And then you have a large nice terminal with a full sized keyboard, apparently of the brand name apple ;) |
| 22:04.35 | simoo | hmmm... I don't seem to be able to ssh to the phone |
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| 22:05.05 | viq | simoo: wiki has some information about doing usb networking on a mac |
| 22:05.10 | raspoutine | simoo, use fdom |
| 22:05.24 | raspoutine | which contains many applications standard |
| 22:05.25 | raspoutine | or shr |
| 22:05.49 | simoo | ok |
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| 22:06.10 | simoo | I have fedora on this laptop too maybe it will be easier with that |
| 22:06.20 | viq | should be, yes |
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| 22:06.43 | viq | Though, I don't remember how hard it is on mac, didn't really read that page but I seem to remember you had to install something |
| 22:07.20 | ledzgio | hi to all |
| 22:07.22 | simoo | s'ok it makes a nice change when something is easier to do in Linux |
| 22:07.51 | viq | heh |
| 22:08.35 | simoo | I had intended to use qtopia on my freerunner but OM is really impressive |
| 22:08.46 | mwester | simoo speaks heresy |
| 22:09.04 | mwester | All things are easier in Linux! ;) |
| 22:09.04 | simoo | should I use qtopia? |
| 22:09.11 | viq | I am playing with SHR recently and like it a lot. Though I didn't touch qtopia yet. |
| 22:09.12 | simoo | oh haha |
| 22:09.12 | mwester | No, you should use Linux! |
| 22:09.13 | mwester | :P |
| 22:09.31 | simoo | well I use it on my phone now! |
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| 22:09.40 | mwester | That's a good start. |
| 22:10.20 | jc_ | hello, any tips on a good lightweight ORM in python for sqlite that would not be feature creeped and run ok on freerunner ? |
| 22:10.36 | mwester | Qtopia or Qt Extended is an excellent "phone software stack". SHR/FSO is a not-quite-ready-for-release mobile computing platform that has phone functionality. The difference is the significant thing. |
| 22:10.43 | viq | ORM? |
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| 22:10.49 | jc_ | object-relational mapping |
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| 22:11.09 | raspoutine | simoo, and shr is even more impressive :) |
| 22:11.12 | jc_ | its a thing that lets you work with data in sqlite tables as if it were objects |
| 22:11.25 | mwester | ponts jc_ to a quad Xenon rack-mounted server with 4GBytes RAM |
| 22:11.37 | jc_ | so instead of insert you use new something(); and stuff |
| 22:11.40 | mwester | with Java too. |
| 22:11.40 | simoo | mwester: I couldn't work out how to copy files or import contacts to qt extended |
| 22:11.47 | jc_ | mwester why that? |
| 22:11.58 | mwester | simoo: yeah, many folks have noted that as a limitation. |
| 22:11.59 | raspoutine | jc_, sqlobject? |
| 22:12.00 | jc_ | you don't think fr has the firepower ? |
| 22:12.04 | Dave | :| |
| 22:12.05 | zash__ | activerecord is awesome |
| 22:12.14 | jc_ | raspoutine: thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 22:12.32 | jc_ | ar ? its in python too ? |
| 22:12.50 | zash__ | jc_: ar is in ruby |
| 22:12.57 | zash__ | but realy nice |
| 22:12.57 | mwester | jc_: I suspect the freerunner could do the db stuff, it's more a comment on the type of applications I've seen written using that sort of thing. They tend to be data-center class apps, in my limited experience with them. |
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| 22:13.21 | jc_ | mwester or simple web apps, thats RAD for you ;) |
| 22:13.27 | jc_ | I'm used to them in symfony |
| 22:13.39 | mwester | :D I've just not seen anyone use the FR as a web server -- yet. |
| 22:13.47 | jc_ | I'm not trying to |
| 22:13.52 | jc_ | I'll use it with pygtk |
| 22:14.18 | jc_ | at first I want to do a simple application that would allow me to organize schoolwork easily |
| 22:14.29 | jc_ | unleashing power of open source and making freerunner useful :) |
| 22:14.30 | mwester | Cool. Have you set up a build env. for FSO or SHR? |
| 22:14.49 | jc_ | nah, It'll be pure python for now :) |
| 22:15.13 | mwester | I think you might be on the edges of what software is in the standard repos, so you might find that you'll have to build your own stuff from the OE bb files. |
| 22:15.19 | jc_ | I'd like to keep it simple |
| 22:15.33 | jc_ | I thought pygtk ran ok? :) |
| 22:15.42 | mwester | ORM is simple? |
| 22:15.49 | mwester | pygtk runs fine. |
| 22:15.50 | jc_ | yes, it can be very simple |
| 22:15.54 | jc_ | even written in pure python |
| 22:16.03 | jc_ | just look at propel for example |
| 22:16.10 | jc_ | ORM written in pure php |
| 22:16.15 | jc_ | simple yet useful :) |
| 22:16.56 | ledzgio | hi |
| 22:17.04 | jc_ | yey |
| 22:17.07 | ledzgio | i have to upgrade uboot |
| 22:17.10 | jc_ | SQLObject is pure python |
| 22:17.28 | ledzgio | if i upgrade uboot, there will be problem with the installed distributions? |
| 22:17.29 | jc_ | great suggestion, just what I wanted, easy distribution and no dependency hell :) |
| 22:18.15 | mwester | ledzgio: there should not be any such troubles. |
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| 22:33.05 | jc_ | oh btw I think qtopia uses a simple sqlite database |
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| 22:33.17 | jc_ | just a matter of using the sqlite utility to manipulate it |
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| 22:34.12 | jc_ | yup http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/database-specification.html |
| 22:34.18 | jc_ | the database schema is of interest to you ;) |
| 22:34.23 | jc_ | interoperability made easy |
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