IRC log for #openmoko on 20081215

00:00.10khaije1hi mickeyl hows it going?
00:00.18SpeedEvilI wouldn't be surprised if GTA03 is ready by christmas.
00:00.27SpeedEvilNot this one tho.
00:00.27khaije1slaps himself
00:00.32khaije1lol
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00:01.12khaije1what about 3g capabilities for gta03?
00:01.23mickeylunlikely at this point
00:01.37mickeylshooting for an edge modem
00:01.40mickeylmc75i
00:02.17khaije1if i may ask, why is that? i know support used to be poor but i thought there was a lot of progress in this area lately
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00:03.21SpeedEvilkhaije1: there really hasn't.
00:03.38SpeedEvilkhaije1: phone chipset makers still don't want to talk to you unless you want to buy 100000.
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00:05.17mickeyl*nod* just because everyone can order custom chips doesn't make them available on the free market
00:05.56khaije1i'm not informed on this topic but i was bouyed by news from ubuntu and fedora about improved 3g support... does that progress translate at all?
00:06.07SpeedEvilkhaije1: not even one little bit
00:06.20SpeedEvilkhaije1: that's utterly irrelevant. That's supporting off-the shelf modems.
00:06.37Shleekhaije1: They are talking about roaming between 3g modems and wifi networks.
00:06.54SpeedEvilkhaije1: it doesn't help you at all if you want to put the chips that go into your off-the-shelf modems into your own phone PCB
00:07.10SpeedEvilkhz: or maybe the above that Shlee mentions, which is still not relevant.
00:07.40Tig|khaije1, that is desktop nice front ends to 3g modems,  they connect via USB and can be talked to using standard AT commands
00:07.53SpeedEvilhttp://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-broadband/laptop/pay-monthly/t-mobile/usb-modem-stick/overview/
00:07.55SpeedEvillike that
00:08.04khaije1:-( i thought that work would bring more chipsets into the kernel
00:08.40Tig|in fact I am connected via one now :)  they are not supporting the chipsets they just talk to them using standard commands
00:09.19Tig|as far as I understand
00:09.27SpeedEvilyou can take a system booted in 1994, connected by a 33K6 modem, change a couple of lines in the init-scripts, and make a ppp connection over one of these.
00:09.35SpeedEvilthat's how minimal the changes are.
00:09.42khaije1i see, i didn't realize that... i was excited because i thought the wall was starting to come down
00:10.46SpeedEvilponders.
00:11.06SpeedEvilwonders at the bulk price of http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Huawei-E169G-USB-Modem-UNLOCKED-3G-HSDPA-upto-7-2-Mbps_W0QQitemZ120341444683QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_LaptopAccessories_PCMCIACards?hash=item120341444683&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1300|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 and a re-balling machine.
00:11.24ShleeI wonder if ATH0++ would work on the GSM network :)
00:13.41khaije1is there a spot to watch on the wiki re: gta03? i'd like to check out what's planned
00:13.48SpeedEvilnot really
00:13.56SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03
00:14.03SpeedEvilmailing lists?
00:17.40khaije1i dont see anything about gpu, didn't somebody mention a discrete module?
00:19.35SpeedEvilThe S3C6410 includes a 2D accel
00:19.41SpeedEvil(or is it 3D too?)
00:19.51khaije1ook
00:20.06balrogi think it's 3d too
00:20.27balrogbut don't take my word for it
00:20.36khaije1yup http://semicon.samsung.de/applicationprocessors/spec.aspx
00:20.37SpeedEvileither 10 up or 10 down (6400 or 6420) is the model with/without GPU
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00:23.38LostInSpacehey guys any of you know of any good s3c2410 application to enable/disable GPIOs easily and check the status of all gpios?
00:24.07khaije1this looks nice, what is the use of the tv-out ?
00:27.07SpeedEvilnone, probably
00:27.39SpeedEvilJust because the Soc can do something doesn't mean it's economic or sensible on a phone
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00:28.27khaije1gotcha
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00:52.13Digital_PioneerDoes the Openmoko have any text file viewers that you can scroll in by dragging your finger across the screen?
00:52.32Digital_PioneerI ordered one, it's not arrived yet. I'm just wondering... :)
00:55.42TAsnDigital_Pioneer, if by text viewers you mean pdf readers
00:55.51TAsnthen yeah, there's epdfview.
00:55.54Digital_PioneerNo.
00:55.59Digital_PioneerI mean plaintext.
00:58.27Digital_PioneerI could render texts as PDF, I guess, but why bother...? It can't be that hard to write a text viewer that responds to mouse events... Can it? Heheh (I haven't started GUI programming yet, just CLI)
00:59.00Digital_PioneerAlso, is there any decent bible software for the Freerunner?
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01:09.56sicuDigital_Pioneer: nothing complete yet that i'm aware of
01:10.13sicuDigital_Pioneer: but there is porting underway: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist/Bible_Reader
01:19.53Digital_Pioneersicu: Cool, thanks.
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01:20.59ElleoDigital_Pioneer: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2008/10/12/fbreader-now-working-on-the-openmoko-freerunner/
01:21.12Elleo^ allows you to tap the sides of the screen to turn pages
01:21.28Digital_PioneerI downloaded some *.bbl files for e-sword, and after several hours figured out how to break the actual bible out of them... Now I've got them split to directory hierarchies with text files at the deepest level... So I just wanted to know if there was a nice text reader.
01:21.41Digital_PioneerElleo: Sweet, thanks.
01:21.46Elleono problem
01:22.22LostInSpacehey guys any of you know of any good s3c2410 application to enable/disable GPIOs easily and check the status of all gpios??
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01:43.32LostInSpace?
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02:15.01LostInSpaceanybody in here alive?
02:15.15roolydepends on what you classify as alive
02:15.54DocScrutinizerat 10:15 AM, you're kidding? ;-)
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02:27.33slaxxinwhat is it
02:27.47slaxxinlatest shr
02:28.14slaxxini cant tell whats different
02:28.17vininimdoes om-daily charges while suspended? it gets hot with the screen on
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02:47.56sicuslaxxin: git will tell you
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04:47.09DocScrutinizermanpower for hire. mailto:reisenweber@gmx.net
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04:50.06slaxxinhow close is it potter?
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05:15.46rastermuhahahaha
05:17.41sicuheh ... what's funny raster?
05:17.54rasteraaaaah... nothing
05:17.58rasterjust something i just read...
05:18.22sicuDocScrutinizer: manpower for hire? what's up?
05:19.05rasterDocScrutinizer: gerade gelesen :)
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05:19.38sicuraster: if it was the OM ML then it was more depressing than funny
05:19.46rasterhmmm
05:19.48sicuthere's a lot of whining going on :/
05:19.58sicuppl should cheer up =D
05:20.05rasteryes - i know. oddly i agree with both sides
05:20.13rasterthey both have a point
05:20.16rastervery good ones
05:20.29rasterbut thats not what i'm giggling at
05:21.11sicuand you're not gonna let us in on what's funny? ;/
05:21.18rasternup
05:21.29rastersomeone here will know why i giggle
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05:42.55slaxxinbecause i asked potter "how close is it"
05:45.02slaxxinlooks like "settings " in shr is all but terminated
05:47.10sicuslaxxin: what about settings in shr ?
05:47.45Sargunhttp://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/rundll32.exe.html < Wow...
05:47.48slaxxinwell last itteration had a settings icon that worked on the screen
05:48.22slaxxin,, that took u to the menu for turning various things on-off
05:48.52slaxxinnow the icon is there but goes nowhere:)
05:49.33slaxxinlol
05:50.14slaxxinnow im wondering if the dialer works?
05:50.58slaxxina little bluetooth an id be almost good to go
05:52.39sicuslaxxin: should be working fine after opkg update ; opkg upgrade
05:53.46slaxxin<PROTECTED>
05:54.03slaxxinsimply
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05:55.21sicuslaxxin: hmmm, i'm pretty sure it isnt :/ *shrugs*
05:55.37sicuthey must've borked the fix in latest ...
05:55.46slaxxinnaa
05:55.52sicuslaxxin: opkg install dbus-x11
05:57.42sicuyeh, that was it:
05:57.52sicu[081214-221856] <hiciu> quickdev: exposure.py (shr-settings) depends on dbus-x11 but this package is not installed in shr-testing by default
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05:59.37slaxxinim rebooting first
05:59.58slaxxinok
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06:00.28slaxxinmine usually says unknown on all the settings
06:01.11slaxxini say it correctly work 1 time   an not again after that
06:01.56sicu:/
06:02.01sicumine works fine
06:06.17AntonTakkhrm, curent 2008.x testing seems pretty nice
06:06.36slaxxinvolume bar for calls?
06:06.45AntonTakkyeah
06:06.58AntonTakknot sure if it works, but there is one
06:07.24AntonTakksuspend/resume seems reliable
06:07.41AntonTakkbattery life seems greatly improved
06:07.57slaxxinyea settings works now
06:08.27AntonTakkhavent actually connected, but mofi seems to work
06:09.13slaxxinreaaly
06:10.07slaxxinnow the settings all say unknown
06:10.41slaxxin<PROTECTED>
06:11.41LostInSpaceanybody used to devmem2?
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06:23.48slaxxinin latest shr   settings works onch then  after thaat it shows unknown on all an none work
06:24.31slaxxini have always had that problen on shr
06:25.53slaxxinqtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2
06:26.36slaxxina modified 4.4.2?
06:34.29slaxxinhttp://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/
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06:53.49geccogood morning
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07:21.09CIA-24openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r78198d1c3206 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update Tichy as requested by Mirko.
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08:41.15Hopscotchgood morning
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08:48.01CIA-24openmoko: 03charlie 07org.openmoko.dev * r53ee7045cf90 10/packages/openmoko-projects/tichy_git.bb: apply john fix to tichy.bb
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09:26.57Sargunhttp://xbmodder.us/index.php?q=node/24
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09:34.17rasterSargun:  you cant glamo glamo for the crosstalk
09:34.30rasterthat wa sa chielding+programming  matter
09:34.34rasternot smedia
09:34.41Sargunraster, I'm trying to blame them for as much as possible
09:34.50rasteri know
09:34.52SargunTrying to get them to call me.
09:34.59rasterbut you need to not sound like a zealot
09:34.59Sargunor email me
09:35.05rasteryou just discredit your statements
09:35.10Sargungood point.
09:35.16Sargunfixing.
09:35.22rastermake sure everything you say is 100% spot on and correct
09:35.30rasterif you have half of it "untrue"
09:35.36rastermayaswell just laugh at the other half
09:35.40Sargunfixed.
09:35.48rastercool
09:36.06rasterthey didnt break graphical offloading eitheer
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09:36.28Sargunwell, there is no driver for it.
09:36.40rasterthere is
09:36.50rasterhave u looked at xglamo?
09:36.54rasterit is accelerated
09:36.56SargunAlright, I mean, it's reverse engineered
09:36.57SargunIIRC
09:37.05rasterabout as much as most xorg 2d drivers
09:37.08rasterno it isn't
09:37.16Sargunoh, they were done with the NDA?
09:37.18rasterit was written from the docs they provided to openmoko under nda
09:37.22rasteryes
09:37.35rasteri keep saying this on the mailing lists
09:37.37rasterno one listend
09:37.42rasterxglamo HAS ACCELERATION
09:37.50rasterit was written using the docs under nda
09:37.50Sargunah.
09:37.56rasteri have read the entire docs (under nda)
09:38.09rasterbut openmokoe cannot re-publish them
09:38.20rastersmedia originally agreed to have the docs opeend up after a review by openmoko
09:38.44rasterin my last few weeks i reviewd the docs and suggested whihc bits are needed to be opened up for others to program the hw directly
09:38.50rastersmedia declined to allow that
09:38.57rasterso the docs are nto open
09:39.02Sargunbetter now?
09:39.02rasterbut xglamo accelerates:
09:39.08rasterblits, fills, xvideo
09:39.24rasterand if you take a good close look at most xorg 2d drivers over the past N years
09:39.27rasterthats all the accelerate
09:39.33rasterxrender onyl recently is ghetting some accel
09:39.34Sargunthe documentation is the code; -P
09:39.40rasterthe glamo could accelerate some of xrender
09:39.44rasterbut not enough to be really that useful
09:39.51rasterand it'd be reasonable effort
09:40.12Sargunok, I fixed part o fit
09:40.18SargunSmedia tech betrayed Openmoko, Inc. and has caused a considerable number of headaches for the company. They broke the MMC expansion interface in a number of ways. Also, by keeping documents under NDA, they are making it very difficult for the community to maintain xglamo, the accelerated graphics driver. These were nearly comparable to the headaches caused by the TI Calypso. This post is just to warn someone who is going to use SmediaTech's Glamo
09:40.19Sargunchipset to avoid them at all costs. The only way Smedia can set their name right again is by providing data sheets, and hardware architecture documentation for their chip.
09:40.22sleipnirraster: onboard keyboard works now thx again for your effort yesterday
09:40.32rasterand in the end it'd miss enough to make a full pipeline of rendering work in hw thus u'd be falling back to software for a reaosnable chunk - that would negate the gains made in the accelerated bits
09:40.48rasterso u'd have written acceleration and spent time just to go nowhere in terms of speed etc.
09:41.03rastersleipnir:  :)
09:41.12rastersmedia are guilty only of:
09:41.36raster1. saying they would open the docs and then deciding not to and thus om used them belioeving the docs could be opened up when the FR was produced
09:41.38rasterbut it couldnt
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09:42.17Sargunwhat about the MMC compatibility issues?
09:42.20sleipnirraster: one thing left: after fixing alsa, the mixer worked in illume (can be added to the top shelf), however if I restart e, the mixer icon is gone, but the checkbox is still checked in the settings dialog
09:42.49raster2. making a chip that has pretty bad bus interface performance charactersitics and has "strange" limitations on the operations it accelerates (thus causing software fallbacks fdor what it doesnt which are fairly incompatible with x's rendering pipeline for xrender, evas and other things).
09:43.30raster3.making a chip really intended for QVGA, but that in theory did vga, and openmoko using the chip for vga and *gasp* finding it didnt work too well when pushed to its limits
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09:43.55rasterthat is all you can validly say about them in public.
09:43.56sleipnirraster: if i uncheck/check the mixer in the settings, the mixer icon appears, but only 'til the next start
09:44.01rasterthe glamo choice was openmoko's to make
09:44.24rastera good lok at the specs of the glamo when programing it show very much that it was intended for qvga resolutions, not vga
09:44.54rasterslow bus performance was totally unknowable until you had a working glamo to play with on hardware - the docs dont tell you that really
09:45.12rasterslep hmm some gadget issue
09:45.23rasteri havent looked really
09:45.36rasterSargun:  as for mmc compatibility - i havent followed any of that. can't comment
09:45.50Sargunraster, thank you.
09:46.02rasterbut just to get the story straight
09:46.02raster:)
09:46.16rastersmedia didnt break any promises when it comes to performance
09:46.18rasterthey didnt make any
09:46.38rasterthat was a matter of "suitability" evaluatin by the client (openmoko)
09:46.46rasteras i keep saying
09:46.50rasterthere are OPEN drivers
09:46.56rasterin xglamo
09:47.01rasterthey DONT use everything the chip does
09:47.09rasterbut x provides no "mpeg4 decoding api"
09:47.14Sargunwell, I copied and pasted what you said (anonymized)
09:47.16rasterso of course it doesnt use that bit of the glamo
09:47.20rasterglamo also can decode jpegs
09:47.21rasterin hw
09:47.28elserpiente__so is it destiny of FR has slow video perfomance?
09:47.29rasterbut theres no api in x for that - thus no use of it
09:47.35Sargunin the mpeg4 decoding, does it include mp3?
09:48.27rasterglamo does 3d - with limits (the limits that stand out to me are 256x256 max texture size, no rende-rto-texture (making it hard to do any sane intermediate-stage rendering) and 511x511 buffer limit (as vga exceeds this u'll be needing to drop to qvga then)
09:48.38Sargunragulp, in the mpeg4 decoding, does it include mp3?
09:48.40Sargunraster,
09:48.44rasterno it doesnt
09:48.52rasterno audio
09:48.57rastermerely video
09:49.14rasteru'll have to decode audio separately in the cpu and split the stream
09:50.11Sargunah
09:50.13Sargundamn.
09:50.21rasterso if you are going to write "open letters"
09:50.24rasterdefinitely skip to the facts
09:50.26raster:)
09:50.26sleipnirraster: I think the biggest problem is that the cpu has to wait for the glamo to complete a transfer, isn't it?
09:50.43rastersleipnir:  that is a problem
09:50.56rasterand really just a performance problem of the way the glamo is designed/works
09:51.02Sargunsleipnir, no DMA?
09:51.05rasternot a broken promise
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09:51.51rasterno dma
09:52.01sleipnirsargun: what i read from the MLs the cpu does polling and don't get an "completed" interupt from the glamo
09:52.10rasterdma would need to come from the soc anyway
09:52.19Sargun:-(
09:52.22rasterand the soc's dma just doesnt work well with the glamo
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09:53.33sleipnirraster: any idea on the mixer problem?
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09:55.18rastersleipnir: not really - need to check, but likely a gadcon layout issue on initial layout
09:55.39sleipnirk
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11:25.32alephnullOT: What is the cellphone standard used in Italy ?
11:25.48viqWhole Europe uses GSM
11:26.42alephnullGSM/1800 ?
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11:32.11igor321900 and 1800
11:32.55alephnullThank you, viq, igor321
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14:19.09mrgarlici wish the freaken battery would charge when the freerunner is off.
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14:19.27Tig|mrgarlic, I think it should do
14:19.32mwesterjust slowly
14:19.50CM_workmrgarlic: Have you taken it out and waited a little while before putting it back in?
14:19.50mrgarlici let my battery run down
14:19.57mrgarliclet me try
14:20.04CM_workOr does the gsm part turn itself off correctly now?
14:20.11Tig|I don't know which will happen first,  me finding my Freerunner or GTA03 turning up :P
14:21.23mwesterCM_work:  unclear still.  Apparently it is possible to power off the GSM when linux shuts down on the FR, but I can't say that I know anyone who has done the current measurements to prove that the kernel actually does it. :(
14:21.46mrgarlicif let moko sit off with discharged battery on wall charger .... it should beable to boot after awhile?
14:22.11mrgarlicif i let freerunner, rather
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14:22.23mwestermrgarlic:  yes.  But pull out the battery for a few moments, the re-insert the battery, then plug it in to the wall charger.
14:22.59mwester(that will ensure that the GSM is powered off, because CM_work has a good point about that)
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14:56.02Zorkmancould anyone in here upload http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081215-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary  to another place? i can't acces bearstech.com
14:56.18Zorkmanand with a public proxy i can only download 10MB
14:56.52Tig|Zorkman, yeah 2 mins
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14:57.40Zorkmanthanks Tig|
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14:58.40Tig|ETA 3 mins :)  
14:58.42Tig|http://da.mned.co.uk/zork/
14:58.56Zorkmanthanks a lot!
14:59.21Tig|no problem
14:59.31Tig|what about the 10 meg limit?
14:59.35Tig|it is about 80 meg
14:59.41Zorkmanno that's not the real problem
14:59.52Zorkmanproblem is that my provider is unable to let me connect to bearstech.com
15:00.09Zorkmanbut by using a proxy like the-cloak.com (which has blocked me for 5hours now) i can acces it
15:00.18Tig|ah
15:00.21Zorkmanbut other proxies have a max-filesize limit for files to download
15:00.22Tig|gotcha :)
15:00.43Tig|1 min 10 remaining :)
15:00.51Zorkmanperfect
15:01.52Tig|done!
15:02.16Tig|let me know if you need anything else off there as all I am doing is sshing into my webspace and wgetting it across :)
15:02.19mrgarlichaha.
15:02.34Zorkmanthanks again, downloading :)
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15:02.49mrgarlicso freerunner was sitting and charging and then just booted up.
15:03.02mrgarlicseemingly on its own.
15:03.32Tig|ah it must have got to the stage where it could power up the power detection circuit
15:03.42DocScrutinizernew kernel, blinking aux?
15:03.44Zorkmanmrgarlic: jup, happened to me also before
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15:03.56DocScrutinizererr uboot
15:04.16mrgarliccould boot process have been started while battery was so low it just sat until it had enough energy to work.
15:04.29DocScrutinizerexactly
15:04.43mrgarlicso interesting.
15:04.47DocScrutinizerthat's what werner's uboot does
15:04.53Tig|basically when it is totally dead it does not have enough power to tell the charger to give it the full amount of power so it trickle charges until it can power up the charging circuit at which point it goes into full charge mode and powers on
15:05.00DocScrutinizerflashing AUX slowly
15:05.06DocScrutinizer+ charging
15:05.32DocScrutinizerTig|: well kinda, yeah
15:06.10mrgarlici have extra battery.  but might invest in portable usb recharger.
15:06.15Tig|well something like that,  as far as users are concerned :)
15:06.31DocScrutinizeryup
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15:07.15Tig|I cheat and jumpstart mine from a nokia battery and plug it in and then swap the battery for the dead one :)
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15:27.31pjzI spent the $3 and bought an external charger at some point
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15:36.24Zorkmanwatch out CVirus; Dave might make a remark about your nick :p
15:36.46CVirusdamn
15:37.07CViruslooks like me and Dave are making a new internet meme :-p
15:37.13CVirusDave: we're gonna be famous
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15:38.42Davebah :p
15:38.52CVirusWirus !!
15:39.23Davefetches his shotgun
15:39.36CVirusLOL
15:39.55DaveI'm huntin' pesky wiruses, hehehehee :p
15:40.33CVirustard
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15:41.18Dave:D
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15:48.35Tig|Dave!
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15:55.09DaveYes
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17:08.25slaxxinwth
17:08.40slaxxinhows the latest shr?
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17:10.58Zorkmani'm testing it atm
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17:11.51slaxxinany flaws?
17:12.35slaxxin1215?
17:12.40Zorkmannot that i have encountered
17:12.42slaxxin1214?
17:12.45Zorkmanbut haven done gsm testing
17:13.04ragulpwho was talking about audio
17:13.06ragulp?
17:13.07Zorkman*haven't
17:13.08ragulpvideo?
17:13.33slaxxinraster an glamo
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17:27.04zwergHi there.
17:27.41DaveGreetings
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17:28.28Zorkmancome on in and warm your feet zwerg
17:28.34Dave:)
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17:30.19zwergYou wouldn't stand the smell.
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17:31.08zwergI just wanted to ask whether the Freerunner hardware is suitable for everyday use or will be with further software development.
17:31.19zwergOr will there be another hardware release for the mass market?
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17:31.44DaveBoth are likely, though the latter is more promising in terms of everyday use.
17:32.31zwergBy "the latter" you mean a new hardware release?
17:32.37DaveYes
17:32.45DaveThere will be one or more in the future :)
17:32.49DaveWhen, I cannot be certain
17:32.57DaveIt might be a while
17:33.18DaveThough the freerunner is becoming more usable with more development, that much is certain.
17:33.25max_posedonzmedico, it's depend on what you want from Freerunner for "everyday usage")
17:33.34max_posedon*zwerg*
17:33.45DaveThough I believe there are certain hardware issues which make it an unideal candidate for daily use.
17:33.55Daveheh, yeah posideon :p
17:34.11mwesterthinks Dave is practicing to be a politician, with the way he phrases that.
17:34.37SpeedEvilAt the moment, there is one fundamental hardware issue - an unfixable buzz which some users find makes calls impossible to make.
17:34.40zwergI heard about battery life issues for example.  Can Freerunner compete with ususal phones there?
17:34.45slaxxingood job dave
17:34.47SpeedEvilAll of the others are annoyances.
17:34.50SpeedEvilzwerg: no
17:35.02SpeedEvilzwerg: about 10% of the power managment stuff has been done
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17:35.28zwergSpeedEvil: And when talking only about the hardware?
17:35.29SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management
17:35.36max_posedonhm... if you want use freerunner just for calls and sms
17:35.42SpeedEvilzwerg: the hardware can do powersaving fine.
17:35.51max_posedonpower managment is good enough
17:35.55GNUtoohello, where are the files that are executed on suspend and on resume?
17:35.57SpeedEvilzwerg: it's just the software isn't there.
17:36.09ragulpi was wondering if there could be better prices if we would purchase just stocks of the board only
17:36.14ragulpwithout cover display etc.
17:36.26SpeedEvilNope.
17:36.30ragulpshit
17:36.38SpeedEvilThere was early talk of a 'parts' store.
17:36.43SpeedEvilBut that's not come to anything.
17:37.18GNUtoozwerg, i do not seem to have the buzz is it normal(i've the GPS hardware fix)
17:37.33ragulpif i bring my develpment to a point where my company could purchase openmoko there would be for 10stocks per time a month
17:37.37SpeedEvilgnu{-: some people don't seem to have a problem
17:38.01zwergSpeedEvil: What about power management in the Qtopia implementation for Freerunner?
17:38.12SpeedEvilzwerg: I'm unsure
17:39.03GNUtoozwerg, i've SHR and it *seems* to resume 100% of the times at least manually....but ophonekitd can die...(it happened once)
17:39.05max_posedonzwerg, hm... I recharged my battery, every 4th day, when I used qtopia.
17:39.05mwesterzwerg:  there's nothing special about power management in Qtopia/Qt Extended.
17:39.33max_posedonzwerg, but it really depends on, how you use your phone
17:39.36GNUtoozwerg, ah yes and on SHR you may have to press more than once for hanging up
17:39.46GNUtoozwerg, but SHR has not been released yet
17:39.56max_posedon(gps, wifi, bluetooth eat battery fast)
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17:40.20zwergmwester: Question is if it's done or not ;-)
17:40.36ragulphowever, is openmoko powered up by usb?
17:40.42ragulpi mean the power charger is usb?
17:40.44mwesterzwerg:  as SpeedEvil said, no.  The kernel support for proper power management is no where even close.
17:40.44GNUtooi have 4/5h of battery life without suspend...but with suspend I have a lot more(mabe more than one day i didn't test it so long)
17:41.03max_posedonGNUtoo, upto 4days for me)
17:41.10zwergmax_posedon: Sounds okay.  Key is, I need a new phone and want to hack on OpenMoko.  So I would need the phone just as normal and then hack from time to time.
17:41.10max_posedon(with Qtopia or SHR)
17:41.18GNUtoomax_posedon, wow...
17:41.44max_posedonbut I didn't used wifi/gps/etc, it just sleep a lot of time.
17:42.05GNUtoomax_posedon, i have to disable the wifi before suspend and also rotate the screen as xrandr -o 0 for suspend...how do i do that? is there a file that I can modify and that is ran on suspend and on resume?
17:42.23max_posedonI don't know)
17:42.49GNUtoook
17:43.02ragulpis the neo freerunner charger usb only?
17:43.08Tig|yes
17:43.19max_posedonzwerg, I successfully throw out my old phone, and haven't big problems with neo)
17:43.28Tig|ragulp, but it can charge in fast mode using a wallcharger
17:43.31ragulpso it uses the only usb for supply
17:43.36zwergWhen you talk about suspend, phone features are disabled meanwhile, right?
17:43.48ragulpTig|: a wallcharger attached trough usb..
17:43.50ragulpthen
17:43.55ragulpand it has no other usb
17:44.02Tig|yes but the wall charger has a special resistor in it so it can deliver I think it is 1A
17:44.04Zorkmannope, they should be in deep sleep, but due to a bug for the moment deep sleep is disabled
17:44.08max_posedonzwerg, no, gsm can wake up phone on any call/sms
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17:44.15Zorkmanzwerg: when in suspend you can recieve calls and sms
17:44.23Tig|it will charge off normal USB slowly or from the USB wall charger quickly
17:44.44zwergAh, this is nice.  And the wakeup is fast enough to answer the call? ;)
17:44.54mwestersometimes.
17:45.22max_posedonzwerg, it's depend on patient of person, who calls you)
17:46.08max_posedonas for me, I notify all my friend to be patient, asked them to don't write sms to me in russian).
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17:59.32bedboihi there
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18:00.10bedboiis neo1973 still supported?
18:00.25Tig|yes
18:00.56bedboiTig|: what's the newest rootfs/kernel for neo1973?
18:01.15Tig|ah,  which distro
18:01.24slaxxinshr, an a few otheers
18:01.46Tig|have a looky on the wiki distributions page
18:02.07slaxxinhttp://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/
18:02.25Tig|SHR is my personal fav.
18:02.33slaxxini dont know if fso does or not
18:02.58slaxxini think fso is getting all the goodies  
18:04.17slaxxinwhy is it that shr i have problems  installing stuff
18:04.34slaxxindependencies/
18:04.37slaxxin'/?
18:05.01Tig|dunno,  I can't find my freerunner at the moment :(
18:05.23mwesterYour coffee cup is on the USB cable - anyone can PLAINLY see that's your trouble, slaxxin.
18:05.41slaxxini can fix that
18:05.48mwester(silly people, don't they know that restricts the flow of electrons???)
18:05.55mwesterSheeesh.
18:05.58mwester:P
18:05.59bedboiis this ok for neo1973? http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2
18:06.10Tig|yeah only the ones can get through lying on their sides
18:06.17mwesterbedboi:  Nope! Hint: "gta02" in the filename!
18:06.28slaxxinthe heat from the cup causes restriction    therfore im    restricted
18:06.44bedboimwester: i thought it was ok, 'cause it's in neo1973 directory
18:06.45mwesterTig|:  Yeah.  The healthy, plump ones that are *good* for your phone just off to your Windows system instead.
18:06.49slaxxinno
18:07.14Tig|mwester, who are you accusing of having a windows system? :P#
18:07.18mwesterbedboi:  hmmm.... maybe it's the gta01 & 1/2 ?
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18:10.33slaxxinanybody have latest om-testing with a  volume bar?
18:10.48slaxxinan does it work?
18:11.36AntonTakki think i do, and i dunno cause i can't get the volume slider to actually move
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18:17.29slaxxini made the rounds  an i guess  qtopia really keeps me from multitasking, unless im missing something, its back to shr
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18:18.55Tig|qtopia is ok as a basic phone but does not really take advantage of the whole open smartphone thing
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18:19.53slaxxinwhat about taking some things from qtx an putting them on debian?
18:20.02slaxxinallowed/
18:20.03mwesterslaxxin:  HORRORS!!!
18:20.04slaxxin?
18:20.09slaxxinlol
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18:20.17LuYuthe kernel images are no longer in /framework/milestone3/
18:20.21LuYuwhere are they now?
18:20.26mwesterslaxxin:  EGADS! NO!   That's what 2008.x is, and that's why it's such a huge mistake.
18:20.35slaxxinoic
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18:20.53Tig|I still thing the openhand stuff was much nicer than the qt stuff
18:21.08slaxxinso thats why it just doesnt work well
18:21.11mwesteropenhand stuff was the right direction.
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18:22.02slaxxinwhy doesnt a group head off in that direction then?
18:22.26slaxxinor is there another problem?
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18:23.10slaxxinqt is very nice
18:23.11mwesterThe fundamental issue, IMO, is if the software is X-based, or not.  Qtopia/Qt Extended is not, and neither is Android -- so neither will meet what the community wants, although both will probably be excellent phone software stacks.
18:24.03Tm_Tis preferring X/Qt(extended?)
18:24.05mwesterslaxxin:  the motivator behind SHR was to port the Openhand stuff to use the FSO framework -- but it was found that writing a new dialer and some apps from scratch was easier than porting the Openhand stuff.
18:24.19slaxxinnon-xbased is much faster -correct?
18:24.24lindi-mwester: you should be able to run both framebuffer and X apps at the same time with some emulation quite easily though?
18:24.34lindi-slaxxin: afaik it's not so simple
18:24.44mwesterslaxxin:  there should be little difference if it's all working correctly.
18:24.56mwesterlindi-:  theoretically, but it doesnt' seem to work very well.
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18:25.27Tig|I assume it does not work very well because FB apps don't expect X to be there at the same time
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18:26.31mwesterlindi-:  apparently somebody at one point did create a Qtopia "app" or "library" that emulated X.  The issue is that so much software assumes so much -- it's far beyond the display and involves things like evetns (mouse, keyboard, buttons, etdc)
18:26.38mwestercan't spell.)
18:27.24mwesterOm 2008.x went the other way -- they tried to port the Qtopia apps to use X.  It didn't work well either.
18:27.31lindi-mwester: ok
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18:29.50slaxxinbut the openhand did work well
18:30.03slaxxincorrect?
18:31.28Tig|the front end stuff was ok it missed a few features but was work in progress,  the problem was the backend which had some big problems and limitations, also some people did not like the embedded evolution data server
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18:32.06Tig|but changing the backend code to use the new framework technology is not a simple process
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18:32.47ragulpcan battery be recharged at 3.6V?
18:32.48Tig|especially for people to just come in and do,  I assume openhand would be able to do it but the community does not have a pile of cash to pay their wages
18:33.16slaxxinmoney
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18:33.27slaxxinis the problem
18:33.47ragulpremember, if the problem is money
18:33.52ragulpit's not a problem
18:33.58ragulpit's an incoming solution
18:34.11Tig|that is a very bad pun :)
18:34.20ragulplol
18:35.19ragulphowever
18:35.28ragulpi was wondering if i could charge it at 3.6 v
18:36.01Tig|no idea
18:36.45mwesterragulp:  not using the phone.
18:37.21mwesterragulp:  the phone requires the standard USB +5v (with the normal USB tolerance, which does not permit the voltage to go down to 3.6v)
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18:41.57ragulpnow the last question
18:42.19ragulpis there any way i can use the usb channel  and the power supply together?
18:42.28ragulpi mean can i split the usb?
18:42.34SpeedEvilthe power supply and the USB are largely independant
18:42.35ragulpis there another usb ?
18:42.47ragulpso i need a usb splitter
18:42.50SpeedEvilcan you expand on what you mean?
18:43.03ragulpi wouls like to test a usb pen
18:43.09ragulpand have the power supply
18:43.16ragulpon the phone
18:43.28ragulphaving the phone recharging while using peripherals usb
18:43.35SpeedEvilyes, you can do that with the right cable, which may not be available commonly
18:43.44ragulpyeah indeed
18:43.50Tig|is that the famous Y cable?
18:43.51SpeedEvilDo you own a far-eastern cable manufacturing plant?
18:44.00SpeedEvilOr failing that, a soldering iron?
18:44.03Tig|if it is then there are instructions to make your own on the wiki
18:44.11ragulpyeah i do
18:44.16lindi-i would want such a Y cable too
18:45.11ragulpso it isnt a usb hub
18:45.27SpeedEvilno
18:45.30ragulpwait wiki wiki wiki
18:45.33ragulpoh shit
18:46.09lindi-ragulp: simple Y cable will do but i do not know if anybody sells those
18:46.45ragulpi'll do it
18:46.52ragulpusb 4 pins
18:47.01ragulpthaz just 4! combos
18:47.26ragulpi should see a pri card instead
18:47.44SpeedEvilAnd only 12 of those will cause it to explode
18:47.49ragulphHHAHHHH
18:48.45SargunHm, I'd be willing to use a USRP to help fix #1024.
18:49.05SargunCan an FR be powered soley from USP?
18:49.08SargunUSB even.
18:49.12SpeedEvilyes
18:51.03lindi-SpeedEvil: you have USRP?
18:51.08lindi-Sargun: sorry, meant you
18:51.25SargunNo, but I'd buy one
18:51.27lindi-Sargun: while you are at it, fix the CBHZ=1 issue
18:51.38SargunEspecially if OM compensated me.
18:51.48Sargun:-)
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18:55.11SargunAlright, E-mail sent off to OM.
18:55.32SargunI'd be willing to get them a USRP + A Freerunner hooked up to an SSH session.
18:55.53SargunI can't guarantee them an RF insulated room unless they pay me for it
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19:02.07Sargunlindi-, No one here really uses HZ
19:06.09Digital_PioneerJust got my Freerunner. I bought it used, and it has Qt Extended on it... Does OM 2008.8 have a decent alarm clock?
19:06.13Digital_Pioneer:P
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19:07.42zwergDigital_Pioneer: What is the standby time with Qt Extended? :-)
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19:10.06bumblDigital_Pioneer: Om 2008.8 doesn't have anything decent :(
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19:10.38Digital_Pioneerbumbl: Heheh, OK, how about FDOM? :P
19:11.05Digital_Pioneerzwerg: Standby time? How long it waits before going to standby?
19:11.24bumblfdom is just om2008.8 which sucks a bit less at the cost of battery life
19:11.47bumblmy opinion
19:12.10bumbli would stick with latest qt extended or go for shr (current builds are a bit unstable)
19:13.02lindi-Sargun: HZ?
19:13.36Digital_PioneerI'll try SHR then. Is there a wiki page on how to flash new distros?
19:13.43Sargunhome zones.
19:14.00SargunNor cell broadcast services.
19:14.07lindi-Sargun: fso-frameworkd uses
19:14.13Sargunlindi-, I know
19:14.23Sargunbut I'm saying it would be pointless for me to do it
19:14.43lindi-still it would be interesting to know what happens?
19:14.58Sargunnot really
19:15.15Sargun:-P
19:16.21AntonTakkyep, volume slider on the curent testing 2008.x dialer works  :)
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19:17.10AntonTakkif it could receive mms and read the contacts on my sim i'd be quite happy
19:17.25SargunI can read contacts from my SIM
19:17.30SargunNot MMS yet.
19:17.43SargunI've never used MMS before
19:17.49SargunWell, directly.
19:18.16Digital_PioneerEek, lots of files in SHR download folder... Which ones do I need?
19:18.39SpeedEvil*2442* AIUI
19:18.45SpeedEvilIf you've FR
19:18.47AntonTakkSargun: well, it seems anything that comes through tmobile's e-mail to sms gateway becomes an mms
19:18.58Sargunodd.
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19:19.26AntonTakkwhich, unfortunately, includes e-mails from nagios  :)
19:19.53SargunI need some google linkage
19:20.10AntonTakkit also doesn't show gsm signal strength
19:20.19Digital_PioneerDo I just need shr-image-om-gta02.{jffs2,tar.gz}?
19:21.16SargunAntonTakk, you don't have IMAP?
19:21.47Sargun<A href="http://xbmodder.us/index.php?q=node/24">smediatech</a> <A href="http://xbmodder.us/index.php?q=node/24">smedia</a> <A href="http://xbmodder.us/index.php?q=node/24">glamo</a>
19:21.51bumblDigital_Pioneer: jffs2.summary
19:21.56SargunI would appreciate everyone putting that in their web page
19:21.56bumbl+
19:22.04bumblwikipage dfu-util
19:22.39bumbl+ remember: at the moment it is a bit unstable because they are changing many things at the moment
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19:23.21AntonTakkSargun: yeah, but for notifications like that sms is more efficient
19:23.38AntonTakkand the phone doesn't have to check every so often
19:24.05SargunPush?
19:24.18SpeedEvilSMS is push, yes
19:24.45SargunNo, I mean, write push email.
19:26.26Digital_Pioneerbumbl: A single jffs2.summary file and dfu-util? Which jffs2.summary? Heheheh
19:27.42bumblhttp://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20081215-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary <- try this one, this is the latest + http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
19:28.13Digital_Pioneerbumbl: OK, and what's so special about lite? Hehehe
19:29.08bumblwell it is lite
19:29.27bumblyou could take the latest "fat" one too if you want
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19:29.59bumblhttp://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started
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19:30.49DaveBears with tech... not a good idea :p
19:31.42igor321bears are so cool though
19:31.52bumblslaps Dave with one of his espionage freerunners
19:32.08zwergDigital_Pioneer: I actually meant how long the battery lasts if you are doing nothing special (GPS, Wifi, ...).
19:32.37igor3212 days 4 me
19:32.49igor321gsm and suspend
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19:33.11DaveFour days, one moko, no brains.
19:33.11Digital_Pioneerzwerg: Ahhhh, well, I just got it. It's still charging.
19:33.11bumblbest: nearly a week
19:33.19bumblworst: 2-3h
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19:36.51Digital_PioneerUsing terminal on Qt Extended == freaking nightmare.
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19:37.15igor321i just had a long walk and i managed to type iwlist scan
19:37.24Dave:D
19:37.27lindi-bumbl: here it is around 25 hours in suspend
19:37.30igor321was very proud of myself
19:38.00bumblyep recently i get around 26h
19:38.13bumblsuspend + some usage
19:38.37Davewpw
19:38.40Davewow
19:38.58Davemooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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19:39.02bumblsome = minimal = eightball
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19:39.19Digital_PioneerI just typed 'route default gw add 192.168.1.1' to realize add comes first after route... :(
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19:41.00igor321and there's no up or left key on that keyboard of qtopia's, you got pwnt
19:42.39cb22I thought that GTA03 was going to have the same SoC as GTA02? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 says it's getting a 6410
19:42.50Daveyeah
19:42.53DaveIt will
19:42.58igor321yeah i also thought that, but i wuz wrong
19:42.59DaveThat's the plan, anyway.
19:43.06igor321it's gonna rock!
19:43.17cb22nice :)
19:43.32Digital_Pioneerigor321: Yeah.
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19:45.07Digital_PioneerWOOT! Got the freerunner online via terminal.
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19:46.11Digital_PioneerJust set essid, IP, DNS servers, gateway... All with a keyboard with keys half the size of the stylus tip... Done.
19:46.32Digital_PioneerPlease tell me I can get a bigger keyboard on SHR...
19:46.46igor321it's much better
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19:50.28Digital_PioneerOK, I have openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081215-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary and dfu-util. Anything else needed to flash SHR to freerunner?
19:50.52igor321flash the kernel also
19:51.08viqWhat's the difference between *jffs2 and *jffs2.summary ?
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19:51.49kd8iktsummary is faster
19:52.05kd8ikthas like a FS summary
19:52.43SargunReddit is broken.
19:52.49Digital_Pioneerigor321: Which is kernel? modules-*.tgz?
19:53.43igor321Digital_Pioneer: dunno where you're lookin, a file of 1 or 2 mb
19:53.50igor321maybe uImage.bin or something
19:54.15Digital_Pioneerigor321: OK, yeah. uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
19:54.34Digital_PioneerAnd will I need the modules tgz?
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19:55.24igor321i don't think you will :)
19:57.02Digital_PioneerOK.
19:58.34Digital_PioneerHow do I go about ensuring the battery will survive the entire flash? Heheheh
19:58.46Digital_Pioneeri.e. How do I see how much life it has?
19:59.20igor321there's an indicator, you'll see it as soon as it boots ;)
20:02.30Digital_PioneerI think I'll let it charge a few hours just to be sure. :)
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20:07.25Digital_PioneerNow, tell me if I'm wrong, but from the wiki it appears the FR will charge faster from wall power than USB. Is this correct?
20:07.37lindi-Digital_Pioneer: yes
20:07.53feitingeni can confirm that
20:08.09Digital_PioneerAlso, I seem to have read that after completely charging, it will begin discharging even if it's still plugged in. Is this true as well?
20:08.26Psithat seems odd
20:08.51lindi-Digital_Pioneer: that has been fixed in andy-tracking
20:08.54Digital_PioneerPsi: Yes, but then it has to be booted to charge, which seems odd too. Heheheh
20:09.00lindi-Digital_Pioneer: after the rework of PMU stuff
20:09.13PsiDigital_Pioneer: heh
20:09.19lindi-Digital_Pioneer: wall charger can give 1A, your PC only 500mA
20:09.36Digital_PioneerAhh, so after charging, it uses USB power and doesn't discharge battery. Excellent.
20:09.50lindi-Digital_Pioneer: yes
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20:10.30Digital_PioneerAhh, and that is already present in SHR? Or just this... Andy-tracking? (IDK what that is)
20:10.44lindi-Digital_Pioneer: andy-tracking is a branch of linux-2.6.git
20:11.06Digital_PioneerAnd is the fix in SHR? Do you know?
20:11.14lindi-Digital_Pioneer: what kernel does SHR have?
20:11.53Digital_Pioneerlindi-: Looks like I'll be flashing 2.6.24-oe3
20:12.09lindi-Digital_Pioneer: "2.6.24-oe3" does not carry enough information to me
20:12.28lindi-Digital_Pioneer: except that it most likely does not have this since andy-tracking is now following 2.6.28
20:12.53Digital_PioneeruImage-2.6.24-oe3+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin Is the full filename...
20:13.03Digital_PioneerOK, that's a pain.
20:13.34Psihm.. how long should 'opkg install zhone' sit there for saying 'installing zhone bla to root..' ?
20:13.48lindi-commit fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7
20:13.48lindi-Author: Andy Green <agreen@pads.home.warmcat.com>
20:13.49lindi-Date:   Fri Dec 5 11:03:59 2008 +0000
20:14.38Digital_Pioneerlindi-: So what's that in idiot n00b terms? :P
20:14.53lindi-Digital_Pioneer: which part?
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20:19.43Digital_PioneerDoes it have it or not? I'm guessing not.
20:20.58lindi-Digital_Pioneer: i am not entirely sure
20:21.08lindi-Digital_Pioneer: since i do not know which exact commit added it
20:22.05Digital_Pioneerlindi-: OK, well, thanks anyways. :)
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20:58.51Psihm.. fso milestone 4.1 image is quite good, seems stable and the terminal works great. Even woke up from suspend when i called it and seems to last a fair while in suspend before the battery dies :)
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20:59.35Psii think once the horrible echo is fixed i can actually use it as a phone :)
21:02.03DaveMaybe :P
21:02.57Psiheh
21:03.16Psiwell, it is looking a huge amount better than the last time i looked :)
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21:05.26DaveIf you add enough monkeys...
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21:29.49Tig|you get Shakespeare
21:30.06Tig|sorry was on the phone
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21:30.47pocommm... anyone using shr here?
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21:31.45viqyes
21:33.23AinulindaleYes too.
21:33.41pocowhich files should i use to give it a try? what are all the jffs2 files in the images directory?
21:33.52pocothe ones starting with openmoko-xxx
21:34.02Ainulindaleviq: that one is for you :-)
21:34.20pocoparticulary the ones with glibc inside their name
21:34.36viq:P
21:34.38AinulindaleThey all have glibc in their name IIRC.
21:34.51pocosome don't
21:34.56pocoshr-image-om-gta02.jffs2
21:34.57AinulindaleThey're symlinks.
21:35.01viqpoco: jffs2 are the ones to flash to your phone, tar.gz are to be extracted onto a card
21:35.14AinulindaleSee the matching timestamps.
21:35.15pocoAinulindale, ah yes indeed
21:35.34pocoso suspend works on shr?
21:35.46AinulindaleYes.
21:35.46viqdepends which image :P
21:35.57poco:)
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21:36.03Ainulindaleviq: depends on the user who upgrades while he should reflash :-)
21:36.09viq:b
21:36.09AinulindaleBad, baaaaaaaad, user
21:36.16AinulindaleAs I told on the ML
21:36.22AinulindaleThis won't be that way as soon as we switch to unstable
21:36.28AinulindaleWe'll freeze some stuff on testing
21:36.35AinulindaleAnd go on with our mad developer skills on unstable
21:37.31viqUh, yeah, mailing lists, I guess I should have a look at those ;)
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21:40.51slaxxinmmmmm yummy  new stuff
21:41.16slaxxinphone?
21:41.33slaxxinvoip?
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21:47.27LostInSpaceanybody ever played with s3c24xx gpios using devmem2?
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21:50.17mwesterwhy with devmem2?  does the s3c24xx-gpio command not suffice?
21:50.46LostInSpacehaven't tried compiling a c software for that devmem2 seemed to be the easiest way to go
21:51.14LostInSpaceis there an already written code to get status of all gpios on the s3c2410 for example? pull ups etc etc?
21:52.39mwesters3c24xx-gpio
21:52.52mwestershould be present on all the current images.
21:53.28LostInSpacesource code (i'm not exactly runnign and openmoko device)
21:53.35LostInSpacebut it is using an s3c2410 proc =)
21:53.42LostInSpacewhere can i get it?
21:54.01LostInSpacejust if you know quickly otherwise i'll google it =)
21:55.07mwesterIf it's part of the base Om images, then search the package repos; the detailed description will have the source URL.
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22:13.07pocojust booting on an shr and got a: "openmoko-messages was interrupted by a Segmentation Fault."
22:13.14poco:(
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22:15.18pocogsm functionnalities seems not working in fact
22:15.50pocoand dbus not working
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22:22.20sicupoco: is ophonekitd running ?
22:22.26pocono
22:22.27pocoit dies
22:22.34pocoafter being unable to connect to dbus
22:22.51sicukillall -9 ophonekitd
22:23.02sicuDISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&
22:23.08pocoyep
22:23.25sicuthen wait for PIN dialog, unless you've disabled it
22:23.41pocosicu, i didn't
22:23.42pocohttp://rafb.net/p/fBRbjm89.html
22:23.46pocogot that error log
22:23.50pocoan no pin dialog
22:24.16pocojust flashed shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
22:24.21pocoand booted
22:24.36pocothe "settings" menu gives me "unknown" on many items like the gsm
22:24.43poco(which works under other distros)
22:24.54sicuahh .. I had that yesterday
22:25.11sicusettings will give you unknown until ophonekitd is running
22:25.23pocoah ok
22:25.27sicutry a proper restart
22:25.32pocoas for dbus it seems rurnning
22:25.37pocoyes i am rebooting
22:25.55sicuyes, but for some reason it's unavailable
22:26.06pocois there any dbus-client?
22:26.28pocoi booted up using usb cable btw
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22:28.07sicupoco: there is mdbus: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dbus#Accessing_the_services
22:28.15pocommm... still got "unknown" status after reboot
22:29.03sicuand ophonekitd still getting busy dbus ?
22:29.07pocoand similar error log
22:29.12DaveI thought that said Accusing the services
22:29.13pocoyes
22:29.17Davewhich could also be true :P
22:30.12sicu;p
22:30.45sicupoco: did you flash testing or unstable ?
22:30.55pocoi don't know
22:31.19pocofiles are timestamped of today
22:31.36pocoshr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
22:31.45pocotesting it seems
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22:33.13pocosicu, i will try unstable then
22:33.32sicupoco: i'm on testing, and it works fine =]
22:33.57sicupoco: there are issues with unstable, so i would stick to testing
22:33.59pocomdbus seems finding services
22:35.12pocosicu, which version are you using?
22:36.02sicupoco: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20081215-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary and http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24-oe3+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin
22:36.49TeLLuSHow do I use the headset on om2008.9? Only the option spekerphone or gsmspeakerout.state makes sound come out of the headset. Then it will still use the mic in the handset.  Is it better in testing or any other state file that work?
22:37.39pocosicu, is there a difference between the .jffs2 and the .jffs2.summray?
22:37.42poco.summary
22:39.15pocosicu, otherwise i am using the non-lite version of the rootfs
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22:42.22sicupoco: iirc, the .summary file speeds up the mount time of jffs2
22:42.46sicupoco: so nothing that would solve the issues you're having
22:42.46poconice
22:43.36quatroxpoco, what is the issue?
22:44.55sicu[081215-232341] <poco> http://rafb.net/p/fBRbjm89.html
22:45.01sicu^ quatrox
22:47.21pocoquatrox, the app seems unable to connect to dbus
22:47.43pocoophonekitd i mean
22:48.05sicupoco: shouldn't really be necessary, but i reflashed the lite image yesterday to get rid of that issue :/
22:48.13pocowait
22:48.33pocoseems it is doing something else this time
22:48.51pocosicu, the dbus/ophonekit issue?
22:49.01sicupoco: yes :/
22:49.08sicupoco: what's it doing now?
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22:49.14pocoworking :)
22:49.19sicuhehe nice
22:49.22pocoat least it ask for a pin code
22:49.32pocoafter a reboot and some DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&
22:50.06pocoand an ssh connect/disconnect/connect if it has anything to do with it
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22:50.31pocoand i'm even receiving a sms!
22:51.01pocoand after charging a bit the battery also
22:51.04sicuyou could always turn on DEBUG in /etc/frameworkd.conf incase it happens again, so we get more useful debugging data
22:51.13sicupoco: but great that you got it going =]
22:51.33pocosicu, thanks i will note that debug process
22:51.43pocosicu, yes thank you :) seems shr is very user friendly
22:52.17sicuyes, i love it
22:52.31sicuthe SHR team is doing a great job
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23:02.50pocosicu, thanks you for your help btw
23:03.17Wonkahrm. which scenario do i have to load to have pcm audio playback come out of the handset speaker? the one being at my ear when i hold the FR like a phone handset, not the one being at the left side...
23:04.01quatroxWonka, try one of the old state files
23:04.09Wonka"old"?
23:04.32Wonkai tried /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state from the debian packages
23:04.46Wonkanot handset-like
23:05.11sicupoco: no problem =]
23:05.40quatroxtry on from the good old OM2007.2 (which was preloaded on your fr when you received t)
23:05.58quatroxjust copy the state files
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23:06.56quatroxohh
23:07.03quatroxWonka: nm
23:07.10quatroxI read wrong
23:07.13CIA-67freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07refs/tags/upstream-1.6 * r8445f339fad9 10gsm0710muxd/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog data/gsm0710muxd src/gsm0710muxd.c): upstream-1.6
23:08.34CIA-67freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07refs/tags/upstream-1.4 * r7515d2ce72f0 10gsm0710muxd/ (14 files in 3 dirs): upstream 1.4
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