| 00:00.17 | spydon | where do I get mkfs.jffs2? :P |
| 00:00.23 | rooly | mwester, i don't see anything in my dmesg right now |
| 00:00.27 | rooly | does it clear on suspend? |
| 00:03.06 | mwester | nope |
| 00:03.09 | rooly | hmm |
| 00:03.18 | rooly | well i didn't see anything worth mentioning on usb1-1 |
| 00:03.28 | rooly | it didn't give me any power data |
| 00:03.48 | rooly | there was one instance where it talked about using configuration #1 of 1 |
| 00:03.58 | quatrox | rooly: grep -i usb /var/log/messages |
| 00:04.41 | rooly | no tengo, only wtmp is in there |
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| 00:05.20 | quatrox | ok |
| 00:05.30 | rooly | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 22 |
| 00:05.30 | rooly | usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 00:05.33 | rooly | how bout that |
| 00:05.37 | rooly | i've got 2 of 'em |
| 00:05.45 | quatrox | :) |
| 00:05.59 | quatrox | and you are sure it is from the charger and not your computer? |
| 00:06.05 | rooly | what's that mean, mwester or quatrox |
| 00:06.15 | rooly | tell me now cause i've gotta leave in a minute |
| 00:06.16 | mwester | might be, but you have to make sure that's from the charger insertion. |
| 00:06.33 | rooly | i'll run a dmesg when i get in the car |
| 00:06.37 | rooly | and letcha know after |
| 00:06.38 | mwester | it just means that the low-level USB bus saw something. |
| 00:06.54 | rooly | k, gotta go, bye |
| 00:07.01 | quatrox | and that means that whatever it was, was talking usb |
| 00:07.34 | rooly | well...it wasn't another usb device besides my desktop or my charger |
| 00:07.40 | rooly | but alas, bye for real |
| 00:07.51 | cga | night all. i post-poned what i have to do till tomorrow. got some rest to take. |
| 00:07.56 | cga | ciao pizza faces! XD |
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| 00:43.56 | Pyrasi | hi all |
| 00:44.50 | Pyrasi | does anyone know how to convert an opkg to a deb? |
| 00:45.16 | Pyrasi | i mean i could always just extract it and whatnot...but id rather it be package controlled... |
| 00:45.30 | slaxxin | it might be just to change the ext |
| 00:45.42 | slaxxin | extention |
| 00:45.49 | Dave | raster, when they going to ship? |
| 00:46.25 | slaxxin | D A V E |
| 00:47.07 | slaxxin | 7 inch laptop? |
| 00:47.21 | slaxxin | quantom? |
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| 00:54.05 | Dave | :) |
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| 01:00.40 | kirsch | does someone know if there is something equivalent to build-essential in the opkg repositories? |
| 01:01.13 | kirsch | when i run ./configure of pocketsphinx (speech recognition) i get the following error: |
| 01:01.29 | kirsch | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 01:02.03 | Dave | to answer your first question, no there is not. |
| 01:02.06 | Dave | Unfortunately |
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| 01:03.13 | kirsch | ok, thx |
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| 01:07.19 | quatrox | kirsch: it sounds like you don't have a working cross compiler |
| 01:07.55 | kirsch | nope |
| 01:08.00 | quatrox | anyway, you can install gcc and make with opkg, but... |
| 01:08.12 | kirsch | is it easier to cross compile? |
| 01:08.24 | quatrox | it is way faster |
| 01:08.35 | quatrox | the phone is slow |
| 01:08.37 | kirsch | well, i think i should give it a try |
| 01:09.04 | kirsch | can you give me some keywords? |
| 01:09.15 | quatrox | opkg install gcc |
| 01:09.33 | quatrox | opkg list |grep make |
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| 01:11.23 | quatrox | hmm |
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| 01:11.36 | quatrox | i don't find make |
| 01:11.51 | spydon | my freerunner says that it doesn't find the kernel when I installed the android kernel and fs... Does anyone know what to do? |
| 01:13.08 | quatrox | spydon: make sure you named the kernel correctly |
| 01:13.36 | spydon | quatrox, Aa what shall I rename it to? :P |
| 01:13.48 | spydon | just uImage? |
| 01:14.08 | quatrox | /boot/uImage.bin |
| 01:14.24 | quatrox | if you use u-boot |
| 01:14.40 | spydon | okay, thx! |
| 01:14.56 | quatrox | :) |
| 01:17.24 | spydon | now it says: verifying checksum ... Bad Data CRC |
| 01:17.32 | quatrox | :) |
| 01:17.45 | quatrox | does it continue booting? |
| 01:17.50 | spydon | Nope :P |
| 01:17.56 | quatrox | :( |
| 01:18.06 | spydon | it goes back to the boot menu :P |
| 01:18.50 | quatrox | is the filename part of the checksum? |
| 01:19.11 | quatrox | if so, you could create a symlink instead |
| 01:19.32 | quatrox | but i got no idea |
| 01:20.27 | spydon | hmm, Now I see that it says can't get kernel on the other row :P |
| 01:20.44 | quatrox | ohh |
| 01:20.48 | quatrox | strange |
| 01:21.04 | quatrox | ahh |
| 01:21.07 | quatrox | sorry |
| 01:21.21 | spydon | ? |
| 01:21.23 | quatrox | rename the kernel to uImage |
| 01:21.37 | spydon | tried that too :P |
| 01:21.44 | spydon | same error |
| 01:22.45 | quatrox | some old versons of uboot expected the kernel to be named uimage |
| 01:22.54 | quatrox | instead of uImage |
| 01:23.24 | quatrox | hmm |
| 01:23.56 | quatrox | spydon: do ls -lsh uImage* |
| 01:24.58 | spydon | 2,4M -rw-r--r-- 1 spydon spydon 2,4M 2008-12-14 01:39 uImage |
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| 01:25.58 | quatrox | then i have no ideas, sorry |
| 01:26.08 | spydon | Hmm maybe it's more difficult then just the normal flashing procedure when its android... |
| 01:26.21 | spydon | well thanks for your help anyways :) |
| 01:26.31 | quatrox | no problem |
| 01:27.53 | spydon | aah, u-boot doesn't support kernels larger then 2mb |
| 01:28.03 | quatrox | ahh |
| 01:28.14 | quatrox | then you need to use Qi |
| 01:28.42 | quatrox | search for qi on the wiki |
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| 01:29.54 | mwester | Only on the gta01; the gta02 uboot supports up to 4MB kernels. It's just the default uboot variables are set to 2MB |
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| 01:31.35 | spydon | I see |
| 01:32.05 | spydon | Do you have to do anything more with Qi then flashing? |
| 01:32.27 | quatrox | nope |
| 01:32.36 | quatrox | but read the wiki page |
| 01:32.43 | spydon | quatrox, yeah I do |
| 01:32.50 | spydon | but i still get the same error... |
| 01:33.23 | quatrox | the kernel must have a different name when you use qi |
| 01:33.52 | spydon | I see, what should I name it too? :S |
| 01:33.59 | spydon | I can't find it on the wiki... |
| 01:34.00 | balrog | mwester: what limits the kernel sizes to 4MB? |
| 01:34.23 | quatrox | balrog: uboot env |
| 01:34.35 | quatrox | sorry |
| 01:34.54 | balrog | i can change the u-boot env |
| 01:34.57 | quatrox | kind of fake partitions |
| 01:35.08 | quatrox | ohh |
| 01:35.11 | quatrox | you can |
| 01:35.36 | balrog | i understood mwester said there was some other reason |
| 01:35.38 | quatrox | uboot env limits it to 2 MB |
| 01:35.38 | balrog | too |
| 01:35.41 | mwester | balrog: at the very least it's the partitions. |
| 01:35.44 | quatrox | yes |
| 01:36.03 | mwester | for whatever reason, the default environment only copies the first 2MB of data. strange. |
| 01:36.12 | quatrox | the space where the kernel lives is 4 MB on gta02 |
| 01:36.31 | balrog | remembers loading > 2 MB kernel on gta01 after changing u-boot env |
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| 01:38.20 | spydon | hmm, now the phone just vibrates 2 times and then I get a lightened black screen... |
| 01:38.26 | spydon | on normal boot |
| 01:38.41 | spydon | AH NOW IT WORKS :o |
| 01:38.43 | quatrox | spydon: plug in usb now |
| 01:38.48 | quatrox | ok |
| 01:39.00 | quatrox | I use the usb to boot |
| 01:39.07 | quatrox | works better |
| 01:39.18 | spydon | quatrox, I did too |
| 01:39.32 | spydon | but I think Qi is supposed to be black... |
| 01:39.42 | quatrox | no |
| 01:39.57 | spydon | quatrox, what is it supposed to look like then? |
| 01:39.58 | quatrox | it should say it's booting |
| 01:40.26 | quatrox | take out usb |
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| 01:40.34 | quatrox | take out battery |
| 01:40.42 | quatrox | insert bat |
| 01:41.02 | quatrox | push pwr + aux |
| 01:41.09 | quatrox | insert usb |
| 01:41.16 | quatrox | and it boots |
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| 01:43.42 | spydon | lol what a crappy keyboard ^^ |
| 01:44.56 | quatrox | spydon: something wrong? |
| 01:45.02 | slaxxin | RadioShack Offers $99 Acer Netbook |
| 01:45.25 | spydon | quatrox, nope |
| 01:45.43 | quatrox | so it boots? |
| 01:50.26 | kirsch | puhh, i give up trying to install pocketsphinx on my freerunner |
| 01:50.40 | sebbs | whats pocketsphinx |
| 01:50.50 | kirsch | perhaps you should take a look at it, it would be nice to have speech rekognition |
| 01:51.10 | sebbs | hmm interesting |
| 01:51.17 | kirsch | http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/html/cmusphinx.php |
| 01:51.25 | sebbs | but voice recognizion is not good enough to use from my experience |
| 01:51.49 | sebbs | but just cos they are called the sphinx group, i might reconcider |
| 01:51.50 | kirsch | well, i once controlled a lego roboter with sphinx2 |
| 01:51.53 | kirsch | its ok |
| 01:52.02 | kirsch | if you have like 5 or 10 words |
| 01:52.18 | sebbs | kirsch: how where you when you did that lego thing |
| 01:52.28 | sebbs | im gonna by one for my brother |
| 01:52.38 | sebbs | the legorobot |
| 01:52.48 | sebbs | my brother is 34 i think hes gonna love it |
| 01:52.53 | kirsch | well, in berlin? |
| 01:52.53 | d-b | sebbs: yaya |
| 01:53.01 | kirsch | sry, i didnt understand the quesiton |
| 01:53.34 | sebbs | are they something a person would like to use when they are 30, i mean is it challenging or is it "kid"-style |
| 01:53.54 | sebbs | d-b: yaya? |
| 01:54.51 | d-b | well those things are meant to be cool. |
| 01:55.06 | d-b | 'brick os' |
| 01:55.07 | sebbs | i dont follow |
| 01:55.18 | d-b | i was being playful |
| 01:55.44 | sebbs | what happends if the backlid breaks |
| 01:55.49 | sebbs | it looks kinda fragile |
| 01:55.51 | d-b | wait different robot i think |
| 01:56.03 | sebbs | roger-roger |
| 01:56.19 | kirsch | (i am trying to puzzle together how i did it to tell you) |
| 01:56.31 | d-b | http://www.battlebricks.com/iphone-lego-nxt-robot/index.html |
| 01:56.36 | d-b | replace iphone with neo |
| 01:57.06 | sebbs | i would make it shoot things |
| 01:57.29 | kd8ikt | remote control is one thing and autonomous is cooler |
| 01:57.51 | d-b | kd8ikt: it has sensors so yeah its fairly easy to make it autonomous |
| 01:58.10 | sebbs | my monkey has bigger teeth then yours |
| 01:58.12 | d-b | i remember playing in year 10 with the lego rc or something -> programmable to ligh and other sensors |
| 01:58.17 | d-b | light* |
| 01:58.24 | sebbs | oops wrong window |
| 01:59.59 | kirsch | ahh, yes, its all on my broken iMac... |
| 02:00.32 | kirsch | but you can built a lego robot very easily with the velleman k8055 and python-8055 |
| 02:05.09 | spydon | GN and thx for the help |
| 02:05.24 | spydon | quatrox, yeah it boots ^^ |
| 02:05.41 | spydon | If I just waited some time at the black screen it started to boot |
| 02:05.54 | quatrox | great |
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| 02:06.58 | quatrox | spydon: don't suspend |
| 02:07.19 | quatrox | and do not send or receive sms |
| 02:07.38 | quatrox | to avoid kern panic |
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| 02:17.53 | kirsch | i found my lego robot python speech recognition script (-; |
| 02:17.54 | kirsch | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/33218/ |
| 02:17.59 | kirsch | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/33709/ |
| 02:20.34 | kirsch | my idea was to run this on the freerunner and merge the freerunner with the robot |
| 02:20.55 | kirsch | but i give up (-; |
| 02:21.08 | kirsch | good night and thx for the help |
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| 02:46.08 | nikluaz | hello folk |
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| 03:41.20 | ragulp | hallo |
| 03:41.20 | ragulp | i have a question |
| 03:41.20 | ragulp | i know that in the openmoko there is a accelerometer 3d |
| 03:41.27 | ragulp | is it a serial? or what? |
| 03:41.34 | ragulp | can i use it as a movement sensor? |
| 03:43.52 | ragulp | hu is there anyone? |
| 03:49.51 | mwester | ~wiki |
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| 03:55.06 | ragulp | wher3e |
| 03:55.21 | mwester | see topic |
| 03:55.26 | ragulp | i know |
| 03:55.29 | mwester | wiki.openmoko.org |
| 03:55.30 | ragulp | where i find it in the wiki? |
| 03:55.36 | ragulp | i know where the wiki is |
| 03:55.51 | ragulp | it's 3 days i am lookin for it in the wiki |
| 03:56.00 | ragulp | not that stupid |
| 03:56.36 | mwester | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer |
| 03:56.49 | mwester | Just search on accelerometer! |
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| 03:57.15 | mwester | The data retreival url should get yuou what you need. |
| 03:58.29 | Unregistered | ... |
| 03:58.41 | Azzwipe | zzz |
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| 04:11.51 | Dave | :p |
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| 04:46.03 | ragulp | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.12 | ragulp | but with a stock of duracell batteries/ |
| 04:46.13 | ragulp | ? |
| 04:46.18 | ragulp | for longer use i mean |
| 04:47.08 | mwester | ragulp: no |
| 04:47.08 | Ken_Young | ragulp, Have you heard of minty boost? |
| 04:48.06 | mwester | ragulp: you need the internal battery; it's low impedance is necessary to "feed" the GSM when it needs bursts of power. You can use an external battery-pack device to keep it charged, though. |
| 04:48.45 | ragulp | oh thanks a lot |
| 04:48.58 | ragulp | that would change the power absorbtion |
| 04:49.01 | rooly1 | hey, mwester, the charger 'talks usb' |
| 04:49.04 | ragulp | wouldnt* |
| 04:49.21 | mwester | rooly1: that is *way* cool. :) |
| 04:49.39 | rooly1 | really? |
| 04:54.02 | rooly1 | mwester: why is that cool? do most chargers not do that? |
| 04:54.23 | mwester | rooly1: hardly any do that. |
| 04:55.04 | mwester | It makes the difference between 100ma charge and 500ma charge for all devices that honor the USB spec. |
| 04:55.18 | rooly1 | it's an htc device |
| 04:55.26 | rooly1 | and apparently, its the 'standard' charger |
| 04:56.47 | mwester | wiki that! |
| 04:57.06 | rooly1 | right |
| 04:57.38 | ragulp | it could be so cool if openmoko could wake on power |
| 04:57.54 | rooly1 | ....doesn't it? |
| 04:58.11 | ragulp | i need it for remote administrator |
| 04:58.33 | ragulp | i have a gsm switch |
| 04:58.46 | ragulp | and i would like it to power up |
| 04:58.52 | ragulp | for my script to run |
| 04:59.39 | mwester | It wakes when plugged into usb. |
| 05:00.09 | mwester | just try it -- suspend it, then plug into a dumb car charger or its wall charger. It should wake. |
| 05:00.23 | rooly1 | or even a smart car charger! |
| 05:00.26 | ragulp | while suspended |
| 05:00.40 | ragulp | ok |
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| 05:33.46 | Digital_Pioneer | I see in the wiki that power management isn't exactly excellent yet, but can someone tell me about how long the Freerunner can stay alive right now? |
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| 05:44.06 | slaxxin | shr stays up 2 days with not much activity |
| 05:44.29 | slaxxin | qtopia does well |
| 05:45.00 | rooly1 | quite well |
| 05:45.15 | slaxxin | extended? |
| 05:45.20 | rooly1 | qtopia can hit about 1.5-2.5 days |
| 05:45.49 | slaxxin | fso is doing what? |
| 05:46.42 | rooly1 | fso is doing your mom! |
| 05:47.15 | slaxxin | lol |
| 05:47.33 | slaxxin | bluetooth working on 4.4.2? |
| 05:47.46 | rooly1 | nope |
| 05:48.04 | slaxxin | it was on one of them |
| 05:48.06 | rooly1 | the 4.4.x series thus far does terribly with the phone stack so far |
| 05:48.14 | rooly1 | 4.4.1 works |
| 05:48.43 | slaxxin | ok |
| 05:48.44 | slaxxin | 4.3.2 better? |
| 05:48.44 | rooly1 | hmm... |
| 05:48.44 | rooly1 | slightly |
| 05:48.46 | slaxxin | really? |
| 05:48.51 | rooly1 | yeah |
| 05:49.01 | rooly1 | PIM and telephony works alot better |
| 05:49.12 | slaxxin | phone only or other stuff to? |
| 05:49.31 | rooly1 | except sms don't always recieve properly when it wakes up the phone. |
| 05:49.49 | slaxxin | but 4.4.1 does? |
| 05:49.49 | rooly1 | 4.3.x works all around except sms and 1 item in the dialer |
| 05:50.06 | rooly1 | and sms works perfectly except when resuming for a single message |
| 05:50.25 | rooly1 | but the first time you recieve a message while active, all the messages come thru |
| 05:50.37 | slaxxin | mwesters kernel right? |
| 05:50.41 | rooly1 | yeah |
| 05:51.23 | Shlee | rooly1: Hopefully the new Qtopia doesn't have the same show stopping bugs from 3 releases ago. |
| 05:51.36 | rooly1 | whats that, shlee? |
| 05:51.56 | rooly1 | thats 4.3.4, isn't it |
| 05:53.45 | slaxxin | is it time for another qtx? |
| 05:54.13 | rooly1 | soon |
| 05:58.08 | Shlee | 4.4.2 has 3 (repeatable) crashes from the menu, enabling the widget makes the phone into a pretty brick, you cannot view files on the SD card, the SMS cloning issue is fantastic, the complete lack of ringtone.... less battery life than the previous release. |
| 05:58.27 | Shlee | the bouncing issue.. |
| 05:58.37 | rooly1 | ACTUALLY, the sd card problem is a simple fix |
| 05:58.56 | rooly1 | hop into it from somewhere else and move all the files you want into the 'Documents' folder |
| 05:59.18 | Shlee | The volume/echo issue still exists.. |
| 05:59.33 | Shlee | Hopefully the last month has been busy :) |
| 06:00.35 | slaxxin | which mwesters kernel shall i use on 4.4.1? |
| 06:00.54 | rooly1 | the regular one |
| 06:00.56 | Shlee | and explain this to me.... A phone with 256MB nand and 4GB of SD extended memory.. Why does the phone have a "limit on the sms" |
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| 06:01.19 | Shlee | My sms inbox is full... I've got like 17 sms.. the phone just cloned them 45 times each |
| 06:01.37 | rooly1 | yes, yes, that issue is enough to send anyone back to 4.3.x |
| 06:02.18 | mwester | Shlee: the phone is manufactured in Taiwan. Have you ever seen the SIZE of those Chinese font files? We're lucky we get as many SMS's as we do. :P |
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| 06:03.12 | rooly1 | mwester: has the cloning issue been fixed tho |
| 06:03.36 | Shlee | I do love, you have 72 new messages.. |
| 06:03.50 | rooly1 | and the whole bounce thing, what exactly is it |
| 06:04.03 | rooly1 | because if it's the temporary disconnect from the network... |
| 06:04.24 | rooly1 | well...thats not really a big deal since it almost instantly reconnects |
| 06:04.31 | rooly1 | and it doesn't happen much |
| 06:06.28 | Shlee | I cant wait to actually use my OpenMoko for phonecalls and scummVM |
| 06:07.43 | rooly1 | shlee, have you had trouble with the phone acting like it hangs-up when answering a call |
| 06:08.12 | slaxxin | is that on 4.4.2? |
| 06:08.21 | rooly1 | 4.4.x |
| 06:12.39 | Shlee | mwester: Hows the FSO framework? (I've been away on work for a month) |
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| 08:34.12 | spsneo | ajuonline: hello , r u there? |
| 08:35.05 | spsneo | hello any body out there? |
| 08:35.21 | spsneo | i want to contribute to openmoko as a developer |
| 08:35.29 | spsneo | how to start? |
| 08:36.20 | walkie | www.openmoko.org |
| 08:37.13 | walkie | see section for developers and mail lists |
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| 08:38.18 | MadTBone | using SHR. Want to set X to use xfbdev rather than Xglamo. Anyone know how? |
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| 08:48.35 | spsneo | is there any list of open projects? |
| 08:50.01 | MadTBone | ok...looks like XSERVER=/usr/bin/Xglamo is set under /etc/X11Xserver around line 117... however, even though Xglamo seems pretty slow and causes audio dropouts when scrolling, Xfbdev is reallllly slow.... |
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| 09:16.48 | Ken_Young | Has anyone had success changing the Enlightenment wallpaper on the 2008.x distribution? |
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| 09:22.17 | |Marco| | Ken_Young: on shr, yes |
| 09:22.51 | |Marco| | but, it's not only on the wallpaper chaning part it dies on me... segv for the world :/ |
| 09:23.11 | Ken_Young | Marco - well, thanks for the response, but I fear my problem is 2008.x-specific. |
| 09:23.48 | Ken_Young | Marco - are you saying you get lots of enlightenment seg faults? I may know the fix for that. |
| 09:23.57 | |Marco| | well... enlightment dies almost spontaneous on me in shr so.. |
| 09:24.05 | |Marco| | oooh ??? |
| 09:24.09 | |Marco| | gimmi!!! |
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| 09:25.25 | |Marco| | Ken_Young: what sort of fix ? |
| 09:25.51 | Ken_Young | Marco - this may not help on SHR, but if you apply the FDOMizer script to the testing image, you get a phone which has Enlightenment seg faults every minute or so - some actions cause a seg fault every time. The solution is to change the "engine" parameter to "software". |
| 09:26.39 | |Marco| | it's on software-16 now for speed |
| 09:27.17 | Ken_Young | THat gets you speed and seg faults (at least on 2009.x). "software" is stable (again on 2009.x). |
| 09:27.35 | |Marco| | okay |
| 09:27.39 | Ken_Young | oops 2008.x, of course. |
| 09:28.06 | Ken_Young | It's worth a try. THe speed isn't too bad on "software? |
| 09:28.15 | |Marco| | true |
| 09:28.18 | |Marco| | hrm.. |
| 09:28.20 | |Marco| | hold on |
| 09:28.37 | Ken_Young | THe seg faults were frequent enough to make the phone basically unusable. |
| 09:31.04 | |Marco| | not that bad here |
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| 09:31.50 | |Marco| | strange.. |
| 09:32.03 | Ken_Young | What is strange? |
| 09:32.19 | |Marco| | it's pretty stable in sw-16 aslong as I don't want to use the wallpaper changing gui |
| 09:33.24 | Ken_Young | Oh, I thought you were having seg faults at random times. That's what "software-16" gives me. |
| 09:33.39 | |Marco| | ah, not here |
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| 09:47.22 | raster | software-16 has bugs |
| 09:47.33 | raster | but it also has totally unsupported paths/features |
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| 09:48.00 | raster | like argb images (that are used for the wallpaper preview and dropshadows too as they are generated data) |
| 09:48.04 | raster | thus u get the segv's |
| 09:49.25 | Ken_Young | raster, WHen I switch to "software", I no longer get seg faults, but I still cannot change the wallpaper. It says there is a conversion problem, but I'm using a .png file. SHouldn't that work? Is some special type of image needed? |
| 09:49.57 | raster | issing edje-utils package |
| 09:49.59 | raster | (ie edje_cc) |
| 09:50.06 | raster | which is a recommends for e-wm |
| 09:50.29 | raster | butr it seems shr has decided not to use the packages with recommends installed |
| 09:50.41 | Ken_Young | So the GUI method does not work on the Freerunner? |
| 09:50.43 | raster | as such e only will use .edj files for bg's |
| 09:50.54 | raster | as the .edj basically encodes if the image is to be scaled, tiled etc. etc. |
| 09:50.59 | raster | well it does |
| 09:51.05 | raster | in my illume images it does |
| 09:51.26 | Ken_Young | But it won't work on a standard image type? (.png, etc) |
| 09:52.03 | raster | i take no responsibility for images/distros that dont ship all the things needed |
| 09:52.07 | raster | as i said |
| 09:52.09 | raster | e's code wont do it |
| 09:52.14 | raster | as it doesnt know HOW to display the image |
| 09:52.20 | raster | an image is a rectangle of pixels |
| 09:52.27 | raster | it doesnt know if it should scale |
| 09:52.28 | raster | tile |
| 09:52.40 | raster | scale retaining aspect of the original image |
| 09:53.06 | raster | and when scaling fit the whole image into the screen (thus maybe leave blank bits) or scale it so it exceeds the screen bounds with parts cropped off |
| 09:53.14 | raster | edje encodes this in the layout |
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| 09:53.26 | raster | thus the .edj STORES the wallpaper config |
| 09:53.35 | Ken_Young | But there are buttons on the dialog that allow one to select "Tiled", "Scaled", "Centered" etc. SHouldn't that suffice to specify what to do with the pixels? |
| 09:53.45 | raster | why should i re-einvent all this layout config for a wallpaprer when edje already does it |
| 09:53.58 | raster | those are in the IMPORT dialog |
| 09:54.23 | raster | that is when you browse a file on disk (png/jpg) and e writes a .edc file with the layout setup (tile, scale etc.) |
| 09:54.27 | raster | and thus stores the .edj |
| 09:54.40 | raster | so in future that wallpaer is in the normal wallpaper list (no need to browse) |
| 09:54.43 | raster | and you just select iut |
| 09:54.49 | raster | never have to tell e HOW to display it again |
| 09:54.55 | raster | as it generted a .edj file for u |
| 09:55.02 | Ken_Young | OK, it's not important, and I don't understand where the boundaries are between enlightnment, edge, e, etc. If it's broken on the Freerunner, that's all I really need to know. |
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| 09:55.20 | raster | you have a choice of inlining the image data itself into the .edj or having the wallpaper .edj just refer to the original .png or .jpg on disk wherever it is |
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| 09:55.40 | raster | so uthe .edj in this case is a small 1-2kb file just describing how to lay out the original file |
| 09:55.56 | raster | it's not broken on the freerunner |
| 09:56.00 | raster | freerunenr is a hardware platform |
| 09:56.10 | raster | its broking in whatever distro/image you use |
| 09:56.16 | raster | as i said - the ones i make work. |
| 09:56.34 | Ken_Young | Well, it doesn't work for me, that's for sure. It shows a dialog, shows the image, allows you to select it, and doesn't work." |
| 09:56.46 | henk | raster: what distros aren't broken that way? |
| 09:57.15 | sleipnir | raster: I have the same problem as Ken_Young and edje_cc/edje_decc works from commandline |
| 09:57.28 | Ken_Young | raster, Yes, I was speeking imprecisely. It's broken on 2008.x. |
| 09:57.50 | Ken_Young | Boy my spelling is atrocious. |
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| 09:59.31 | raster | Ken_Young: i just did it myself on my illume image i built |
| 09:59.31 | raster | so the upsteram code works |
| 09:59.41 | raster | it has worked on the desktop for years and it works now on openembedded on a freerunner |
| 09:59.58 | raster | the distros you have are broken in terms of having all thew things e needs/wants to function properly |
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| 09:59.59 | raster | :) |
| 10:00.31 | Ken_Young | raster, OK, I've just got a broken distro. I'll try the command line route. My main questions was really whether or not a special type of .png file was needed. I guess the answer to that is no. |
| 10:00.47 | raster | maybe they didnt include the buffer engine |
| 10:01.09 | raster | i really don't know why - but it works as such. just 2008.x is broken with regards to that. |
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| 10:01.30 | Ken_Young | I believe that. Thanks for responding. |
| 10:01.46 | sleipnir | raster: I compiled e myself (gentoo) and I've the same problem. How can I test if the buffer engine is missing? |
| 10:02.29 | raster | ls /usr/lib/evas/modules/engines/ |
| 10:02.32 | raster | is there a buffer dir? |
| 10:03.08 | sleipnir | yes there is the buffer dir |
| 10:03.29 | Ken_Young | THere is on my Freerunner too. |
| 10:04.37 | sleipnir | the procedure is the following: I open 'picture' and select the png. a preview is shown. I click ok and the picure vanished (not shown in the 'wallpaper' window) |
| 10:05.03 | sleipnir | settings is: personal, use theme wallpaper is unchecked |
| 10:06.15 | raster | hmm |
| 10:06.18 | raster | then not sure whats up |
| 10:06.25 | raster | maybe missing cpp? |
| 10:06.59 | sleipnir | cpp? |
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| 10:08.52 | raster | cpp |
| 10:09.01 | raster | the c preprocessor |
| 10:09.06 | raster | its basicalyl a macro-processor |
| 10:09.17 | Ken_Young | I get the message "Enlightenment was unable to import the picture due to conversion errors." |
| 10:09.20 | raster | a simple yet well understood one |
| 10:09.34 | raster | Ken_Young: edje_cc fails - for some reason |
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| 10:13.50 | sleipnir | raster: is there a way to reproduce the codepath of e at the commandline? |
| 10:14.54 | raster | u'll need to somehow trap the temporary .edc file e generat3es |
| 10:15.06 | raster | if u can then u can do it |
| 10:15.20 | raster | other than that u'd need to write one thats equivalent |
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| 10:16.39 | sleipnir | hmm and testing the edje_decc, copy image in, edje_cc doesn't do the trick? |
| 10:17.51 | raster | that would work |
| 10:18.03 | raster | if u want to take a .edj wallpaper u have prepared on your desktop |
| 10:18.06 | raster | (with e) |
| 10:18.38 | sleipnir | i've done it before, edje_decc, copy image over and recompile |
| 10:19.12 | henk | gta02 is s3c2442 right/ |
| 10:19.13 | henk | ? |
| 10:19.31 | sleipnir | raster: another (more important thing), is it possible to use xterm with the illume keyboard? |
| 10:20.10 | raster | henk: yes |
| 10:20.11 | Ken_Young | sleipnir, I have done that successfully. |
| 10:20.18 | raster | sleipnir: absolutely |
| 10:20.21 | henk | raster: thanks |
| 10:20.39 | raster | it whould work with anythng as it just uses xtest to create fake "hardware key presses" |
| 10:20.41 | sleipnir | raster: hmmm if i open xterm and then type on the keyboard nothing happens |
| 10:20.48 | raster | so the fact they are fake is invisible to the apps |
| 10:21.05 | raster | just click on the xterm window for me |
| 10:21.06 | raster | then try |
| 10:21.10 | raster | just in case |
| 10:21.32 | raster | (ie is xterm focused - xterm's cursor should be a block, not an open rect) |
| 10:21.52 | sleipnir | nope nothing |
| 10:22.07 | sleipnir | do i have to compile xterm with a special option? |
| 10:22.24 | sleipnir | or do i have to have a certain package installed? |
| 10:22.32 | raster | nup |
| 10:22.38 | raster | it should just work |
| 10:22.44 | raster | no matter what the app\ |
| 10:22.55 | raster | as long as the app is focused |
| 10:23.17 | raster | illume doesnt use sendevents so no send_event flag is set |
| 10:23.34 | raster | unless xtgerm is literally throwing out key events - then that's xterms problem |
| 10:23.36 | henk | it didn't work for me (sometimes) either with Om-testing iirc |
| 10:23.41 | raster | but they will always be delivered |
| 10:23.44 | raster | in the correct order |
| 10:24.04 | raster | the only thing that may be odd is that they may have the same or very similar timestamps |
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| 10:24.17 | raster | as a press and release is sent right one after the other with no delay |
| 10:24.28 | raster | throwing out events is a client problem |
| 10:24.32 | Ken_Young | I've used raster's keyboard with xterms many times with 2008.x. I had no problems. |
| 10:24.36 | raster | as its gettign events delivered validly |
| 10:24.42 | sleipnir | raster: the problem is that _nothing_ appears in the xterm window (ok the cursor and prompt appears, but that's it) |
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| 10:26.15 | raster | in - illume does the same thing no matter what the client is |
| 10:26.23 | raster | you need to dig into xterm |
| 10:26.26 | raster | not e/illume |
| 10:26.40 | raster | eg |
| 10:26.52 | raster | install xev and tell xev to monitor events on xterm's window id |
| 10:26.59 | raster | if its gettign keydown/up events |
| 10:27.18 | raster | then i'm right and the problem is over in xterm land. |
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| 10:34.54 | sleipnir | raster: regarding the background image: edje_cc segfaults |
| 10:37.44 | sleipnir | raster: xev receives events on xterm |
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| 10:43.10 | sleipnir | raster: BUT: if i click the first 'key' on the keyboard, i receive a button event (not the key) and then no event is received anymore, seems like illume took the focus... |
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| 10:51.19 | sleipnir | raster: do i need xkbd installed? |
| 10:51.39 | feitingen | anyone else having problems with microsd cards? |
| 10:51.59 | jc | feitingen: only the GPS issue |
| 10:52.24 | feitingen | i had a 2gb card, but i got tons of errors trying to format it, so i had to format it as a 1gb card |
| 10:52.44 | jc | feitingen was it labeled SD or SDHC ? |
| 10:52.57 | feitingen | sd |
| 10:53.43 | jc | then, I think, it's using nonstandard block size |
| 10:53.49 | jc | I had the same problem in my camera |
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| 10:55.09 | feitingen | how can i see the block size? |
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| 10:56.56 | raster | sleipnir: so it gets key down/up events? (xterm)? |
| 10:57.34 | raster | and do youget focusin/out events? |
| 10:57.46 | raster | as for edje_cc segving - doesnt segv on the illume image |
| 10:57.54 | jc | feitingen: dunno |
| 10:57.57 | raster | maybe the buffer eingine dir si there but not the module |
| 10:58.01 | raster | tho it shouldnt segv |
| 10:58.17 | jc | but sd cards shouldn't be 2gb, afaik |
| 10:58.24 | jc | sdhc should be 2gb and up |
| 10:58.30 | raster | other than that - it works in the illume image - maybe there was a bug at the time of the svnrev 2008.x uses |
| 10:58.32 | raster | i dont know |
| 10:58.39 | raster | i dont work on 2008.x |
| 10:58.44 | raster | i dont use it either |
| 10:58.59 | jc | raster: aren't you lead e developer ? |
| 10:59.04 | raster | abd u doint need xkbd installed |
| 10:59.13 | jc | I think I saw 'rasterman' on the site :) |
| 10:59.19 | raster | illume remaps the keyboard itself with xlib calls if remapping is needed |
| 10:59.45 | feitingen | jc: e is not 2008.x afaik |
| 10:59.47 | raster | jc: i guess i am... i like to think of myself as benevolent dictator :) |
| 11:00.00 | jc | ah, python style |
| 11:00.29 | jc | raster nice to meet you, I'm nobody :D |
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| 11:04.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | raster: hi fella! |
| 11:04.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
| 11:07.09 | sleipnir | raster: let's first focus on xterm ;-) I get the following in xev: http://pastebin.com/m48ab751c |
| 11:07.50 | sleipnir | raster: btw I'm not using 2008.x I'm using gentoo on the phone, so it might well be that i've a config option or similar wrong |
| 11:08.42 | raster | jc: :) |
| 11:09.07 | raster | ooooh |
| 11:09.09 | raster | gentoo |
| 11:09.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4863 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (active_list.c pkg.c pkg.h): opkg: introduce active list into pkg_t |
| 11:09.24 | sleipnir | raster: looks like the keyboard is taking the focus... |
| 11:09.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4864 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: trivial rename old_pkg_to_new to pkg_clone as a more readable name. |
| 11:09.40 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4865 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/TODO: opkg: update TODO |
| 11:09.54 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4866 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg.c opkg_install.c): opkg: trivial adding some comments |
| 11:09.55 | sleipnir | raster: ;-D |
| 11:09.59 | raster | hmmm |
| 11:10.13 | raster | keyboard should not take the focus |
| 11:10.17 | raster | ever |
| 11:10.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4867 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (6 files): opkg: using active list to list upgradeable pkgs |
| 11:10.27 | raster | what keyboard is this |
| 11:10.29 | raster | illume one? |
| 11:10.31 | raster | DocScrutinizer2: yo yo |
| 11:10.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4868 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (active_list.c active_list.h opkg_upgrade.c): |
| 11:10.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: opkg: using active_list to list all the installed pkgs. |
| 11:10.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: adding function that allows node move from one list to another |
| 11:10.38 | raster | hmm need to go |
| 11:10.38 | raster | food |
| 11:10.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4869 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/TODO: |
| 11:10.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: opkg: Update TODO and remark that pkg_hash_fetch_best_installation_candidate |
| 11:10.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: is very slow and been called very often. This has a huge improve space. |
| 11:10.45 | sleipnir | raster: the default illume one |
| 11:10.54 | jc | sleipnir: hows gentoo on fr? you compile everything on the phone ? |
| 11:10.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4870 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: |
| 11:10.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: opkg: rename opkg_clone to pkg_t_to_opkg_package_t. |
| 11:10.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: It's more likely the functionality. |
| 11:11.02 | raster | then no way it should take focus |
| 11:11.16 | sleipnir | raster: ok will be here when / if you return!? |
| 11:11.16 | raster | literally it tells e not to |
| 11:11.42 | sleipnir | jc: no i cross-compile everything and boot from NFS currently |
| 11:12.04 | jc | sleipnir any suggestions on how to configure portage to do that ? |
| 11:12.16 | jc | sleipnir I have a gentoo host system and I'd love to do that too |
| 11:12.21 | sleipnir | raster: but the xev-log suggests it does , doesn't it? |
| 11:13.04 | sleipnir | jc: there is a rudementary |
| 11:13.14 | sleipnir | s/rude/rudi |
| 11:13.47 | jc | huh.. what does that mean :D |
| 11:13.48 | sleipnir | jc: overlay at http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gentoo (documentation is missing, as usual) ;-) |
| 11:14.08 | sleipnir | jc: sorry my fingers are faster than my brain right now ;-) |
| 11:14.55 | jc | I'd love to compile everything on my pc via portage and put it on the phone then |
| 11:15.03 | jc | that would be so comfortable |
| 11:15.18 | sleipnir | jc: you might want to join #gentoo-openmoko (pretty empty right now *g*) to get support |
| 11:15.22 | jc | right now I compile everything by hand |
| 11:15.23 | feitingen | sleipnir: nfs, that is brilliant, how do you do that? |
| 11:15.48 | jc | sleipnir might as well do that when I get a larger usd card, thanks :) |
| 11:15.56 | sleipnir | feitingen: hmm there is a page on the wiki how to boot from NFS with uboot (moment plz) |
| 11:16.09 | jc | uboot boots from nfs? cool |
| 11:16.16 | jc | tcp/ip stack in a bootloader :D |
| 11:16.31 | sleipnir | jc: no the kernel is on the sd-card |
| 11:16.33 | jc | I so hope he meant initrd :P |
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| 11:16.34 | sleipnir | ;-) |
| 11:17.02 | sleipnir | jc, feitingen: that's basically the wiki-page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_NFS |
| 11:17.02 | jc | sleipnir: do you switch kernels when you boot ? |
| 11:17.33 | feitingen | sleipnir: thanks :D |
| 11:18.01 | sleipnir | jc: ? right now i switch by changing a symlink, but uboot supports multiple menu entries, so yes, i switch between SD-Card, Flash and NFS |
| 11:18.32 | jc | I meant if you use like kexec or something to switch to another kernel once you have the nfs root mounted :) |
| 11:18.42 | jc | thx |
| 11:19.13 | sleipnir | feitingen: I'm not really sure if the setting on the page works, if you want me to, i can post my line here |
| 11:19.49 | sleipnir | jc: hmm no I've never tried it, but it should be possible |
| 11:20.03 | feitingen | thats ok, i might do a different approach |
| 11:20.05 | jc | if the new kernel catches the nfs root |
| 11:20.35 | jc | or you could like first copy a small root incl. the kernel to tmpfs, then switch kernel and then mount the primary root |
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| 11:21.26 | jc | but I guess its not such a problem to copy the proper kernel to sd |
| 11:23.15 | feitingen | i was thinking of running a small rootfs on the sdcard and mount /usr on nfs late in the boot |
| 11:23.28 | sleipnir | jc: it is the easiest ever, build a uboot image and copy the thing somewhere! just make sure that NFS-fs and the usb-ethernet stuff is compiled in |
| 11:23.38 | jc | yep :) |
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| 11:23.51 | jc | it could be possible even to mount it over wifi |
| 11:24.59 | jc | just make a small dedicated kernel and init and a set of minimal tools that copies the proper kernel and tools to mount nfs to tmpfs, then execute it, mount nfs and chroot :) |
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| 11:29.20 | henk | how do i shutdown FSO? pressing the power button doesn't seem to do it. |
| 11:29.42 | jc | henk: halt? ;P |
| 11:30.18 | henk | hm kay |
| 11:30.23 | jc | dunno.. |
| 11:30.32 | jc | try holding it for a while |
| 11:31.53 | henk | that's what i meant... |
| 11:32.18 | henk | doesn't work when i hold it for about 4 seconds (don't want to hold longer, that would result in a 'hardware' shutdown, doesn't it?) |
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| 11:32.32 | jc | henk I think it doesn't |
| 11:32.43 | jc | FDOM for I have to hold a while longer |
| 11:32.49 | jc | and it shutdowns softly |
| 11:32.55 | jc | *shuts down |
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| 11:39.52 | henk | jc: yep, works with almost all other distris i know of, but fso doesn't seem to like that. |
| 11:40.26 | jc | henk maybe you're supposed to just suspend it |
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| 11:41.02 | henk | probably, but after changing the engine to SOFTWARE i need to at least restart x and i thought i could just as well reboot the phone |
| 11:41.46 | jc | henk: terminal ;) |
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| 11:44.30 | henk | jc: ssh ;) |
| 11:45.29 | jc | or jtag :P |
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| 11:45.54 | DieMumiee | will the gta03 use the s3c6410 or the s3c6400/ |
| 11:45.59 | DieMumiee | -/ +? |
| 11:46.28 | henk | jc: jtag would be for the developer board, right? don't have that... |
| 11:46.43 | raster | sleipnir: back |
| 11:46.43 | raster | ok |
| 11:46.53 | raster | keep your xev listeining to events on the xterm window id |
| 11:46.57 | sleipnir | raster: wb :-) |
| 11:47.00 | raster | nowq go "home" (to the launcher) |
| 11:47.05 | raster | and then go back to the xterm window |
| 11:47.10 | raster | get the eventlog |
| 11:47.15 | raster | is there a focusoit and focusin event |
| 11:47.22 | raster | and is the last focus event a focusin |
| 11:47.41 | raster | nb.... |
| 11:47.55 | raster | does illume's kbd work with ANY apps at all? |
| 11:48.03 | raster | or is the only one u tested xterm? |
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| 11:50.20 | jc | henk: me neither.. |
| 11:50.29 | sleipnir | raster: http://pastebin.com/m1fdc194d |
| 11:51.00 | sleipnir | raster: I havn't tested on any other app. It's quite hard to cross-compile stuff ;-) |
| 11:51.39 | sleipnir | raster: e.g. libast doesn't want to include the correct includedir (thus eterm is out of reach) and enterminus seems to be dead |
| 11:51.42 | raster | ummmm |
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| 11:51.53 | raster | i see no focus events at all |
| 11:52.02 | raster | that is totally odd/wrong |
| 11:52.42 | sleipnir | raster: line 20? |
| 11:53.55 | raster | thats not focus |
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| 11:53.59 | raster | focus is FocusIn |
| 11:54.01 | raster | FocusOut |
| 11:54.19 | raster | FocusIn event, serial 29, synthetic NO, window 0x2a00001, |
| 11:54.19 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.21 | raster | for exampl3e |
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| 11:55.48 | sleipnir | raster: sorry i monitored the wrong window :-S |
| 11:55.58 | sleipnir | I'm getting old |
| 11:56.10 | raster | find the window id of xterm (xwininfo) |
| 11:56.21 | raster | and xev -id 0x134455432 (or whatever it is) |
| 11:56.37 | raster | u can just run xev by itself and it opens its own event window too |
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| 11:56.55 | raster | as i said - illume/e treats every window the same no matter what when it comes to generating key strokes |
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| 12:01.25 | sleipnir | raster: if I only tab on the topbar i get: http://pastebin.com/m7c9fcbd6 |
| 12:01.50 | sleipnir | raster: but if I change the desktop and go back I get: http://pastebin.com/m18d17bba |
| 12:02.01 | sleipnir | in the second case i see the focusin/out |
| 12:02.04 | sleipnir | events |
| 12:02.33 | henk | how do i get the firmware version from my gsm chip? |
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| 12:04.13 | lindi- | henk: search wiki for "4. What is your GSM firmware version?" |
| 12:04.19 | henk | lindi-: thanks |
| 12:04.31 | jc | btw. raster, http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/ - on the right ;) |
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| 12:06.06 | raster | slep better u went to home and back |
| 12:06.10 | raster | thats what i wanted |
| 12:06.17 | raster | ok |
| 12:06.19 | raster | u get a focusin |
| 12:06.21 | raster | and no focusout |
| 12:06.23 | raster | so focus is set |
| 12:06.27 | sleipnir | raster: moment... |
| 12:06.32 | raster | my last guess is that since its gentoo and not OE |
| 12:06.39 | raster | you either dont have xtest enabled in the xserver |
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| 12:06.52 | raster | or u didnt have libxtest available (or dev headers( when building ecore |
| 12:06.56 | raster | thus it dropped support |
| 12:07.01 | raster | and so the key faking calls "do nothing" |
| 12:07.10 | raster | as there is no way to do it without xtest |
| 12:07.14 | raster | (reliably) |
| 12:07.28 | bumbl | raster: does elementary already support an equivalent to etk.Embed? |
| 12:07.29 | raster | jc: thats obsolete/dead |
| 12:07.43 | jc | allright then |
| 12:07.49 | raster | the whole page/site is |
| 12:07.57 | raster | projects.om.org is even slated for decommissioning |
| 12:08.09 | raster | tats why i moved illume out of it as i knew it was on the chopping block |
| 12:08.15 | sleipnir | raster: home, pager?, xterm: http://pastebin.com/m79ca7b68 |
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| 12:08.56 | raster | also projects.om.org kept barfing basically disallowing me svn commit access |
| 12:09.11 | raster | so the whole server needed a reboot when that happened thanks to some pam stuff |
| 12:09.33 | raster | so i moved illume to e's svn |
| 12:09.46 | raster | as that is reliable and works |
| 12:09.59 | jc | raster what about git? ;) </flamebait> |
| 12:09.59 | raster | and then i move illume to a core e module as part of e's src |
| 12:10.05 | raster | as opposed to a stand-alone module |
| 12:10.15 | raster | jc: dont get me started on git... |
| 12:10.23 | jc | do go on ;) |
| 12:10.29 | sleipnir | raster: how is the lib named? libxtest.so? |
| 12:10.57 | raster | sleipnir: libxtst |
| 12:11.08 | raster | well |
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| 12:11.17 | raster | libXtst.so* to be pedantic :) |
| 12:11.28 | raster | jc: no. i won't :) |
| 12:11.35 | raster | me and git are not good friends |
| 12:11.42 | jc | shame, I use it often.. |
| 12:11.46 | sleipnir | raster: ok seems to be missing... installing... |
| 12:12.03 | raster | slep that'd be your pronlem |
| 12:12.03 | jc | but I didn't really get used to cvs/svn ever, didn't even set up a server |
| 12:12.07 | raster | u'll need tyo rebuild ecore |
| 12:12.38 | ragulp | hallo, i would like to know if gps mode of openmoko can run with voice mode |
| 12:12.39 | ragulp | tnx |
| 12:12.40 | sleipnir | raster: ok., will do |
| 12:13.06 | jc | ragulp you mean if you can have gps on and talk at the same time? |
| 12:13.13 | ragulp | yes jc |
| 12:13.18 | jc | of course you can ;) |
| 12:13.24 | jc | at least afaik |
| 12:15.11 | bumbl | ragulp: why shouldn't you |
| 12:15.32 | jc | maybe some dedicated devices don't allow you to or something |
| 12:15.44 | jc | dunno, really freerunner is a linux phone |
| 12:15.48 | ragulp | bumbl i tought there could be some soft problem |
| 12:15.50 | jc | that means no braindead limitations |
| 12:15.58 | ragulp | while running multiple devices |
| 12:16.06 | Tm_T | no |
| 12:16.15 | jc | it doesn't, afaik |
| 12:16.25 | jc | *there isn't |
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| 12:16.34 | ragulp | what do you mean with afaik? |
| 12:16.37 | henk | in what package is libgsmd-tool? |
| 12:16.40 | jc | as far as I know |
| 12:17.07 | bumbl | the only thing which sucks for me at the moment is that python-elementary is broken and etk sucks |
| 12:17.24 | henk | or how to find gsm firmware version without that tool? (on fso) |
| 12:17.38 | henk | ah nvm |
| 12:17.42 | jc | I think you have to query it somehow over uart |
| 12:18.13 | ragulp | jc: i have been reading the wiki about the slow mode (12 Mhz) |
| 12:18.35 | ragulp | will freerunner be fully operational at that step? |
| 12:18.46 | ragulp | its kinda develepment issue |
| 12:19.12 | bumbl | raster: are you still working for swisscom? |
| 12:19.26 | bumbl | and are they still evaluating the gta02? |
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| 12:22.03 | sleipnir | raster: I love you ;-) |
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| 12:22.50 | jc | lol |
| 12:23.24 | jc | I see enlightenment has got some serious followers :D |
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| 12:24.08 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: definately not |
| 12:24.19 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: there are many peripherals that don't work at that speed |
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| 12:24.40 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: from memory, at least sound, USB. |
| 12:24.56 | jc | USB has seperate PLL afaik |
| 12:25.13 | SpeedEvil | however, read the datasheet |
| 12:25.25 | SpeedEvil | it says main clock must be >foo for USB to work |
| 12:25.35 | jc | all right then |
| 12:25.37 | SpeedEvil | I forget what the exact figure was, I think it was quite high |
| 12:26.06 | jc | so bluetooth too |
| 12:26.12 | jc | since its on the second port |
| 12:26.24 | SpeedEvil | I think so |
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| 12:27.14 | jc | UART clocks should be ok |
| 12:28.23 | ragulp | well what is the lowest clock speed at wich the device is fully operational? |
| 12:28.35 | ragulp | gsm/gprs sms |
| 12:28.46 | ragulp | or even gps |
| 12:28.48 | jc | gsm is hooked on uart |
| 12:28.52 | jc | so it should work |
| 12:28.58 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: It should do SMS/gsm/gps at 12MHz |
| 12:29.08 | jc | also gps |
| 12:29.29 | jc | and glamo is memory mapped, right? so that should work to |
| 12:29.30 | jc | o |
| 12:29.33 | jc | as should sd card |
| 12:29.40 | ragulp | the wifi |
| 12:29.41 | ragulp | ? |
| 12:29.46 | jc | sdio |
| 12:29.49 | jc | dunno with that |
| 12:29.52 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: this is all rather irrelevant |
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| 12:30.18 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: until someone gets off their throne, and starts to actually code the CPU speed stuff. |
| 12:30.29 | jc | I'd love to |
| 12:30.43 | ragulp | still no support for freq scaling? |
| 12:30.52 | jc | cpufreq is in the kernel |
| 12:30.58 | ragulp | thaz for sure |
| 12:31.02 | SpeedEvil | jc: that's the tinyist part of it |
| 12:31.03 | jc | all that remains is to implement scaling |
| 12:31.10 | ragulp | you mean power manag at run/lvl |
| 12:31.11 | jc | governors are there |
| 12:31.20 | SpeedEvil | jc: the governors are the easy part. |
| 12:31.26 | jc | I realize that |
| 12:31.31 | jc | but scaling normally is easy too |
| 12:31.40 | jc | when the cpu automatically recalculates clocks |
| 12:31.58 | jc | or generally hasn't complicated clock management |
| 12:31.58 | SpeedEvil | jc: you've got to pause all the stuff, and resume it at the new clock frequency, it's not completely simple |
| 12:32.29 | ragulp | SpeedEvil: that wont be much problem for me |
| 12:32.32 | jc | for example in avr, its a matter of writing a single register |
| 12:32.38 | ragulp | i'll run witouth x |
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| 12:32.48 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: _everything_ |
| 12:32.50 | ragulp | without* |
| 12:32.53 | jc | and of course adapting system timers and stuff |
| 12:33.05 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: you change the speed, you need to reset the serial ports, the USB, the sound, the ... |
| 12:33.37 | ragulp | well, i tought it was hardware related |
| 12:33.42 | jc | nope |
| 12:33.48 | jc | its all well documented in the datasheet |
| 12:33.49 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: the hardware is all there. |
| 12:34.01 | ragulp | the kern needs to remap all devices |
| 12:34.02 | ragulp | kk |
| 12:34.03 | jc | but I just don't know what to do in the kernel |
| 12:34.14 | jc | I could really write routines for changing clock freqs |
| 12:34.22 | jc | but dunno where to put them and stuff |
| 12:35.21 | ragulp | well first i would like to say that gta02 is a very nice opens proj |
| 12:35.31 | jc | sometime when I have time and once my phone works in the first place... |
| 12:35.39 | ragulp | i would need it for a real extrem functionality |
| 12:35.43 | jc | I agree |
| 12:35.51 | ragulp | so my needs are quite strange |
| 12:37.33 | jc | so why not make the peripheral drivers frequency change aware ? |
| 12:37.47 | jc | so they can decide themselves whether they need to do something |
| 12:38.05 | jc | that would simplify it a lot, I guess |
| 12:38.36 | SpeedEvil | they can't decide themselves. |
| 12:38.45 | SpeedEvil | they need to be able to veto speeds that they can't do |
| 12:38.47 | jc | you would just change cpu clock and then notify all peripheral drivers frequency is being changed |
| 12:39.16 | SpeedEvil | The core driver needs to poll all the active drivers, and work out what frequency is the lowest that can be done. |
| 12:39.33 | jc | I'd make that as equivalent to shutting them off when you switch to a too low frequency |
| 12:39.52 | SpeedEvil | then pause all drivers, change the clock, callback all the drivers to reset the clock, resume all drivers |
| 12:39.57 | jc | and let userspace set bottom frequency based on what peripherals are on |
| 12:40.20 | SpeedEvil | There is no good reason not to use this instead of idle mode. |
| 12:40.32 | jc | well you would have ondemand |
| 12:40.35 | jc | or something |
| 12:40.38 | jc | the governor |
| 12:40.46 | SpeedEvil | This should be happening at normal tick rate - clocking down between every tick |
| 12:40.47 | jc | and it would dynamically overclock down to a bottom frequency |
| 12:41.08 | jc | and that bottom frequency would be declared based on what peripherals (bluetooth/usb, sound, ..) are on |
| 12:42.25 | jc | not instead of, I think they should be used both |
| 12:42.46 | jc | sometimes you do something on the phone that is not cpu consuming, so you have the cpu a little underclocked automatically |
| 12:43.00 | jc | another thing is if its worth the effort - how much power would that save |
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| 12:51.18 | jc | btw. has anyone tried a > 8GB uSD card ? |
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| 12:54.13 | GNUtoo | hello, is this desktop entry ok? it doesn't show up in SHR...even after a reboot http://rafb.net/p/WmCBfm30.html |
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| 12:56.43 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 12:58.37 | ragulp | i was thinging. Could it be possible to have an extreme powersaving option with no wifi, gsm, gprs and so on |
| 12:58.40 | ragulp | ? |
| 12:59.42 | ragulp | lower clock speed |
| 12:59.46 | viq | GNUtoo: I believe SHR has some "limits" on what desktop entries it displays, I think that resides in /etc/xdm or something like that |
| 12:59.49 | ragulp | a sort of keep alive option |
| 13:00.00 | GNUtoo | viq, ah ok thanks a lot |
| 13:00.19 | viq | GNUtoo: at least that's the answer when I asked about the same ;) |
| 13:00.27 | GNUtoo | ok |
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| 13:01.22 | jc | ragulp: suspend |
| 13:01.30 | ragulp | yeah ok, |
| 13:01.40 | ragulp | will there be any power on the hdw perph? |
| 13:02.39 | SpeedEvil | jc: it saves lots of power - according to the datasheet. And there is no reason to clock down a little - ratehr than a lot. |
| 13:03.03 | SpeedEvil | jc: it's just as complex to switch down to the minimal possible speed. |
| 13:03.10 | SpeedEvil | jc: as a little |
| 13:03.30 | jc | well I think it should be dynamic |
| 13:03.40 | jc | you should overclock back whenever you need more cpu power |
| 13:03.50 | SpeedEvil | jc: of course it should be dynamic. |
| 13:04.02 | SpeedEvil | jc: it clocks down to the minimum speed possible - even over one tick. |
| 13:04.21 | ragulp | SpeedEvil: cant it be at a runlevel level? |
| 13:04.21 | SpeedEvil | jc: unless there is CPU load, in which case, it's as fast as possible. |
| 13:04.25 | jc | SpeedEvil: the idle mode ? |
| 13:04.32 | ragulp | i mean entering a powersaving mode |
| 13:04.37 | ragulp | a powersaving extreme mode |
| 13:04.48 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: that doesn't help so much. |
| 13:04.49 | ragulp | or simply a dynamic mode |
| 13:04.59 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: ideally, you want it so it powersaves _all_ the time. |
| 13:05.20 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: unless it's actively needing the CPU |
| 13:05.45 | ragulp | k i agree |
| 13:06.14 | SpeedEvil | And 'idle' mode - leaving it at the same speed, and just idling the processor - doesn't save anything near the amount clocking it down does. |
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| 13:06.38 | ragulp | well actually downclocking really saves power |
| 13:06.48 | SpeedEvil | yes, lots. |
| 13:06.50 | ragulp | and switching off periph does too |
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| 13:07.50 | ragulp | i would like to develop a gps tracking system as a standalone for fleets of tracks |
| 13:08.03 | ragulp | commanded troght sms |
| 13:08.10 | ragulp | with wifi functionalities |
| 13:08.33 | ragulp | but it has to use so lowww power |
| 13:08.33 | ragulp | man |
| 13:08.59 | lindi- | ragulp: do you have kernel skills? |
| 13:09.03 | ragulp | i do |
| 13:09.12 | SpeedEvil | does it actually need wifi all the time? |
| 13:09.16 | ragulp | no |
| 13:09.21 | ragulp | i will command it with sms |
| 13:09.23 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: power saving is largely irrelevant in that app |
| 13:09.30 | ragulp | it is |
| 13:09.30 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: you connect it to the truck battery. |
| 13:09.35 | ragulp | it wont |
| 13:09.44 | ragulp | it has to be standalone |
| 13:10.04 | SpeedEvil | why? |
| 13:10.18 | ragulp | cauz it is a request |
| 13:10.28 | ragulp | we are taking this job from a fleet company |
| 13:10.28 | SpeedEvil | what life do you need? |
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| 13:10.45 | ragulp | 1 month |
| 13:10.55 | SpeedEvil | Absolutely no way you'll get that with the internal bat |
| 13:11.02 | mjr | the request is insane |
| 13:11.03 | ragulp | indeed |
| 13:11.23 | jc | :) |
| 13:11.24 | ragulp | i'll need to set up an external battery pack |
| 13:11.31 | ragulp | just mad |
| 13:11.38 | jc | even the pandora does about 100 hours on mp3s only |
| 13:11.42 | jc | and it has some crazy battery |
| 13:11.54 | ragulp | yeah, the request is insane |
| 13:12.00 | henk | FSO: how do i switch to the headset? i can hear the other side clearly but weakly through the handset, but the headset is completely silent. |
| 13:12.23 | Shlee | jc: You've got an OpenPandora already? |
| 13:12.33 | jc | nope, thats what they say on the forums |
| 13:12.47 | ragulp | they are getting a hundred of those periph if we reach their requitrements |
| 13:12.51 | jc | Shlee: I'd love to but I missed the preorders |
| 13:13.23 | Shlee | jc: because the problem with the refunds... you can still order one when they announce the reorder now |
| 13:13.26 | lindi- | would be interesting to have accurate current measurements of individual components |
| 13:13.29 | Shlee | if you're luckly |
| 13:13.45 | jc | thats nice |
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| 13:14.03 | jc | but now I bought a fr and haven't got money for it till next year anyway |
| 13:14.05 | ragulp | well i think there are pretty datasheets for each device |
| 13:14.07 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: solar may also be an option. |
| 13:14.25 | ragulp | SpeedEvil: that was what we were considering |
| 13:14.51 | jc | lol |
| 13:14.54 | jc | solar powered fr |
| 13:14.56 | jc | thats cool |
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| 13:15.53 | jc | actually it could be pretty simple to make a 5V solar charger to plug into fr |
| 13:16.05 | SpeedEvil | you can even buy them. |
| 13:16.51 | Elleo | yeah, I have one that I use with my freerunner from time to time |
| 13:17.04 | Elleo | http://www.solartechnology.co.uk/products/solar_chargers/freeloader.asp |
| 13:18.24 | jc | wow that one looks cool |
| 13:19.12 | Elleo | I also have one of these: http://www.solartechnology.co.uk/products/Solar_Chargers/Globetrotter_green.asp |
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| 13:19.27 | Elleo | so I can have that strapped over the back of my bike and keep things charged when I'm on long cycle trips |
| 13:20.43 | jc | that's crazy :) |
| 13:21.00 | Elleo | heh |
| 13:21.12 | jc | btw. you could charge from a mechanical-electric converter on the bike |
| 13:21.13 | jc | dunno hows it called in english |
| 13:21.16 | Elleo | a dynamo |
| 13:21.23 | jc | yeah |
| 13:21.28 | Elleo | yeah, but a dynamo giving a reasonable amount of power costs a lot |
| 13:21.29 | jc | thats hows it called in our language :D |
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| 13:22.18 | jc | basically even any small motor can convert torque into electricity |
| 13:32.04 | SpeedEvil | jc: rag: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management has some of the issues - most of which apply to 02 too |
| 13:32.33 | jc | SpeedEvil I've seen this, but gta02 has different soc afaik |
| 13:32.57 | jc | ooh |
| 13:32.59 | SpeedEvil | Functionally it's almost identical |
| 13:33.01 | jc | I kinda missed the bottom part |
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| 13:33.40 | jc | FR has SC32442B |
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| 13:34.05 | SpeedEvil | it's a higher clock speed, integrated camera port, ... |
| 13:34.55 | jc | the discharge graph looks nasty |
| 13:34.56 | SpeedEvil | But essentially all the rest is uncahanged |
| 13:35.07 | SpeedEvil | jc: ? |
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| 13:38.56 | jc | I see its pretty thorough |
| 13:39.17 | jc | SC32442B has more major saving modes afaik |
| 13:40.01 | SpeedEvil | The look I did through thte datasheet indicated it was more or less similar. |
| 13:40.14 | SpeedEvil | (though that was some time ago) |
| 13:40.20 | jc | gta02 has a backup battery? :) |
| 13:40.26 | SpeedEvil | not for the CPU |
| 13:40.32 | SpeedEvil | just for the clock |
| 13:40.40 | jc | the rtc ? |
| 13:40.50 | SpeedEvil | and stuff |
| 13:41.06 | ragulp | SpeedEvil: how is the sms support in openmoko? |
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| 13:41.20 | ragulp | i read on the wiki, there are some bugs |
| 13:41.25 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: there are several distributions. |
| 13:41.32 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: all of which are different. |
| 13:41.39 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: I'm not keeping up ATM. |
| 13:41.59 | ragulp | k |
| 13:42.01 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: but I note nobody has been saying recently that it's a functional phone that doesn't drop calls, and works just fine |
| 13:42.16 | ^wd^ | does android something more then just runs ? |
| 13:42.20 | ^wd^ | on fr |
| 13:42.21 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 13:42.35 | SpeedEvil | Last I recalled, android wasn't booting yet |
| 13:43.08 | ^wd^ | it boots, and display logo |
| 13:43.16 | GNUtoo | viq, removing apps didn't solve the problem |
| 13:43.18 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:43.18 | ^wd^ | and i has shell on it |
| 13:43.48 | jc | well the figures speak for themselves, it makes sense doing cpufreq scaling assuming its at least similar on fr |
| 13:44.38 | SpeedEvil | jc: those figures were from the datasheet - reality will probably differ a fair bit. |
| 13:45.18 | jc | maybe I could stick an ammeter between the phone without battery and usb and measure it |
| 13:45.38 | jc | I'd just have to write some testing software to set it to different modes |
| 13:45.55 | GNUtoo | viq, solved changing the Categories...mabe the /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu need to be changed |
| 13:46.22 | viq | yes, that's the answer I got, you need to edit that |
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| 13:47.29 | SpeedEvil | has no FR, or he'd have done it. |
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| 15:04.08 | ChristW | I recently stopped getting a PIN-dialog on reboot. What should I check? |
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| 15:07.26 | lindi- | ChristW: all traffic sent to and received from the gsm chip |
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| 15:09.53 | ChristW | Tail /dev/ttyxxx? |
| 15:09.59 | jc | I'm trying Om 2008.9 and opkg update can't fetch package list: |
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| 15:10.44 | jc | it cant fetch Packages.sig |
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| 15:11.52 | ChristW | jc: That's normal behaviour. |
| 15:12.27 | ChristW | jc: The packages aren't signed, but they could be. |
| 15:12.47 | jc | ChristW, ok |
| 15:13.00 | ChristW | lindi-: How can I check that? |
| 15:13.33 | lindi- | ChristW: what program do you use to talk to the gsm chip? |
| 15:13.42 | ChristW | None at all... |
| 15:14.01 | ChristW | I just boot the phone and expect a SIM-pin dialog, which I used to get. |
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| 15:14.28 | ChristW | I get very good battery times, now, bit it's quite unsatisfactory for a GSM not to be able to make a call ;-) |
| 15:14.37 | feitingen | what happened to mplayer in the repository? |
| 15:14.48 | lindi- | ChristW: huh? |
| 15:15.06 | ChristW | I was only kidding... |
| 15:15.15 | jc | oh now it works, it didn't before for some reason |
| 15:15.19 | lindi- | ChristW: figure it out ;) |
| 15:15.22 | jc | nice gui for the installer |
| 15:15.41 | ChristW | lindi: You mean you figured it out? |
| 15:16.12 | lindi- | ChristW: nope, you need to figure out what you use to talk to the gsm chip |
| 15:16.50 | ChristW | I'm using FDOM with a reasonably new Andy kernel. |
| 15:22.38 | lindi- | ChristW: isn't that like answering "what browser do you use?" with "windows"? ;) |
| 15:22.52 | ChristW | I just installed lsof, but lsof | grep ttySAC0 (the GSM chip, IIRC) gives me back nothing. So, apparently nothing is talking to my GSM chip. |
| 15:23.22 | ChristW | lindi-: No, because I have never used any program to 'talk to my GSM chip'. I never meddled with it personally. |
| 15:24.10 | ChristW | I expect userland and/.or the kernel to take care of that. I didn't change anything that I was aware would break anything, and it stopped working. |
| 15:24.39 | ChristW | Does u-boot/Qi have anything to fo with it? |
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| 15:40.36 | lindi- | ChristW: now is a good time to become aware of how things work :) |
| 15:41.28 | ChristW | Probably... |
| 15:42.47 | lindi- | ChristW: can you talk to ttySAC0 manually? |
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| 15:44.30 | ChristW | lindi-: I was making sure that I had my FR in a 'reasonable' state, so I am currently re-flashing FDOM (20081023) back to see if makes any difference... I'll get back here if it doesn't. I'd have loved to go to 2008.11 (testing), but that ruins FDOM... |
| 15:44.46 | ChristW | I'll try talking to /dev/ttySAC0 after that... |
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| 15:50.57 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r3cc98c2bdfd1 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/decor.py: ogsmd: disable frame depth inspection per default |
| 15:50.58 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r8cfb4986746e 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: remove old low level AT parser, state-based one is default now |
| 15:50.59 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r9eb03466ec6d 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (channel.py parser.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:50.59 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: channel/parser: fix an embarrasing bug in the low-level AT parser that |
| 15:51.01 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: has been here from day one. Basically we were always assuming that 'haveCommand' |
| 15:51.03 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: [which is used to decide whether a response is solicited or unsolicited] was |
| 15:51.05 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: vaild for the whole bunch of bytes that were fed to the parser. This is wrong! |
| 15:51.07 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: (Of course, since we may retrieve lots of lines in one row that can refer to |
| 15:51.09 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: a number of commands). This may also have been the cause for the hard lock upon |
| 15:51.11 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r2ea29c405940 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: |
| 15:51.16 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] Apply reinit commands with a delay after resuming. |
| 15:51.18 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: This should give us a chance for draining the incoming buffers and lead |
| 15:51.22 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: to a faster and more reliable resume due to an incoming call. |
| 15:51.28 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: See the code comments for more details. |
| 15:51.32 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: |
| 15:51.34 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py |
| 15:52.45 | Mirr | btw. is there something like an OM simulator? |
| 15:52.51 | SpeedEvil | qemu |
| 15:52.56 | SpeedEvil | I've not used it though |
| 15:53.05 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/qemu |
| 15:53.11 | Mirr | thx |
| 15:53.13 | ragulp | i was wondering if you could disable all incoming calls |
| 15:53.29 | SpeedEvil | ragulp: turning off the GSM'll do that |
| 15:54.11 | ragulp | i would like to keep sms functionalities |
| 15:54.57 | SpeedEvil | I think there is a GSM standard 'reject all calls' number |
| 15:55.29 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mobileshop.org/usertech/gsmcodes.htm |
| 15:55.52 | SpeedEvil | yeah - bar incoming calls |
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| 16:44.57 | igor321 | yo sean mcneil when is the new android image coming out |
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| 16:46.49 | mokel | are pors of the gpe programs for openmoko? |
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| 16:49.10 | Toaster` | is it possible to force a refresh of the screen and/or desktop entries? |
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| 17:07.05 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r55aaaef665b2 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: |
| 17:07.05 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: bandaid against Release() not working if the call has not been connected. |
| 17:07.05 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: reaon: AT+COLP=0 changes the behaviour of ATD, it then comes back with an OK |
| 17:07.05 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: immediately. This means that we can no longer cancel an outgoing call by |
| 17:07.07 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: sending a command-in-progress-cancellation-character, but rather need to |
| 17:07.09 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: drop the outgoing call otherwise. As a bandaid until we have this fix, |
| 17:07.11 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: we cancel all calls for now. |
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| 18:08.22 | sebbs | anyone running miro on their fr? |
| 18:08.58 | sebbs | wonder how much mem it chunks away |
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| 18:13.35 | yunusay69_ | hay leute |
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| 18:16.27 | Pyrasi | are the debian package repos down? |
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| 18:25.58 | lindi- | Pyrasi: should not be |
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| 18:29.09 | Pyrasi | hmm...yea...i can navigate to them on my host comp, but my freerunner keeps saying it cant get to them when i try to apt-get. But I CAN ping on my freerunner so im connected to the net.....Guess ill play around with it some more.... |
| 18:30.12 | lindi- | Pyrasi: can you apt-get them on your host comp? |
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| 18:32.14 | sebbs | i can apt-get without any probs |
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| 18:32.48 | Pyrasi | hmm |
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| 18:33.36 | sebbs | Pyrasi: go to http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org |
| 18:33.47 | sebbs | can you hit that page? |
| 18:33.54 | Pyrasi | ya |
| 18:34.00 | Pyrasi | ill try pinging it from the fr |
| 18:34.19 | sebbs | doit |
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| 18:34.33 | sebbs | can you ping anything from your fr |
| 18:34.41 | sebbs | like google or whatnot |
| 18:34.41 | Pyrasi | nope...hmmm. |
| 18:34.47 | Pyrasi | I can ping google though |
| 18:35.12 | sebbs | try coping your /etc/resolv.conf from your host to your fr |
| 18:35.13 | Pyrasi | ohhh |
| 18:35.16 | Pyrasi | i know what it is |
| 18:35.23 | sebbs | are you running with your cable or with the wifi |
| 18:35.28 | sebbs | cool :) |
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| 18:35.41 | sebbs | next question would be can you ping ips |
| 18:35.59 | sebbs | acctually that should have been the first question |
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| 18:39.54 | elserpiente__ | hello |
| 18:40.17 | sebbs | hello elserpiente__ |
| 18:41.39 | lindi- | Pyrasi: works? |
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| 18:42.22 | Pyrasi | i had connected to a wifi network a while back and it changed my resolv.conf and i just had to change it back |
| 18:42.28 | Pyrasi | thanks for the tips |
| 18:42.47 | lindi- | Pyrasi: feel free to join #openmoko-debian |
| 18:43.03 | Pyrasi | oh...i didnt even know that was a room..haha |
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| 18:52.39 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rd1c97cccf290 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: |
| 18:52.39 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: cancel outgoing dialling using a calypso-proprietary command |
| 18:52.39 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ~lart v.250, +COLP, and D. |
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| 18:55.36 | jc | Who lives in the east 'neath the willow tree ?? |
| 18:55.42 | jc | Sexual Harassment Panda! =) |
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| 19:01.46 | sleipnir | what would be a good gst-plugin for the freerunner? |
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| 19:19.49 | spydon | hmm at the moment my freerunner logs into android it says "Shutting down"... |
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| 19:25.08 | mwester | spydon: probably for the best. :) |
| 19:25.28 | spydon | mwester, why? :P |
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| 19:26.39 | mwester | spydon: to save you from being sucked into closed software. |
| 19:27.14 | spydon | mwester, I thought the whole point of android was to be open source? :S |
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| 19:27.36 | mjr | not really... |
| 19:27.48 | SpeedEvil | It's to make google oodles. |
| 19:28.14 | bumbl | spydon: android is opensource but it is evil |
| 19:30.05 | spydon | bumbl, why? :P |
| 19:30.42 | bumbl | don't you read the news - android phones home |
| 19:30.46 | leinirAWAY | spydon: Because it's run by Google, who is of course the new pure evil after Microsoft has started to soften a bit, and Apple is getting old ;) |
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| 19:31.07 | bumbl | i like google and I use some of their services |
| 19:31.44 | bumbl | but they sometimes do things which are "evil" |
| 19:32.09 | leinirAWAY | i just like to point out the over-use of that term :) |
| 19:32.51 | Dave | LEINIR |
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| 19:32.59 | leinirAWAY | curtsies "Sir" :) |
| 19:33.03 | Dave | Damn right |
| 19:33.08 | Dave | That's more like it. |
| 19:33.16 | bumbl | spydon: the problem that I have with android is that linux is only used for starting the javavm - everything else is quite locked |
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| 19:33.39 | bumbl | no C, no python, only java |
| 19:33.47 | spydon | ah lame :P |
| 19:34.04 | Dave | ja |
| 19:34.13 | bumbl | and no scap |
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| 19:35.05 | jc | heey |
| 19:35.21 | jc | and I was publicly shy to express that opinion |
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| 19:35.40 | jc | and now I can finally shout everywhere that android is closed crap and google is evil ! |
| 19:35.49 | jc | just because I get that feeling |
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| 19:36.23 | jc | and its not even java, its some dalvik piece of s**t |
| 19:36.33 | Dave | :D |
| 19:36.36 | Dave | Yesssssssss |
| 19:36.39 | jc | :))) |
| 19:36.41 | Dave | Let the HATE flow through you! |
| 19:36.42 | jc | I feel so happy |
| 19:36.50 | jc | I love you all :D |
| 19:37.00 | viq | Turn to dark side! |
| 19:37.52 | Dave | YEsssssssss |
| 19:37.57 | jc | you can't even run normal programs on it, only androdized java crap |
| 19:38.12 | jc | you don't even get a damn terminal |
| 19:38.24 | jc | linux dumbed down to user frendliness of a blender |
| 19:38.36 | viq | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.44 | jc | yeah |
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| 19:38.52 | bumbl | yep that was a nice "feature" |
| 19:39.42 | spydon | jc, is it really closed? :S |
| 19:39.54 | spydon | I thought I compiled it from source yesterday... :P |
| 19:39.58 | viq | "what was that command you told me not to run?" "rm -rf / - remember, never run this" ;) |
| 19:40.04 | jc | I think its open source but the point is everything runs in a stupid java vm |
| 19:40.31 | jc | they f*cked up, to say it kindly |
| 19:40.46 | jc | why didn't they improve mobile gtk or qtopia or even start theyr own toolkit |
| 19:40.48 | spydon | jc, why is that generally stupid? doesn't that make it easier to port to new devices? :P |
| 19:40.50 | jc | ooh no |
| 19:41.11 | jc | they must do a single language controlled interpreted piece of s*it of an 'operating system' |
| 19:41.44 | jc | spydon I think it isn't I'm just ranting about google cause I don't like them since they force theyr services on you through android and stuff |
| 19:41.54 | jc | I really dont have very objective arguments about that |
| 19:42.02 | jc | I tried android only once |
| 19:42.25 | jc | my first experience on a stable android in google licensed android sdk emulator was a segfault upon boot |
| 19:43.01 | spydon | that was my first experience with openmoko too ^^ |
| 19:43.19 | jc | mine worked out of the box ;P |
| 19:43.19 | spydon | but now I can't even get this phone to start because of android :P |
| 19:43.24 | jc | but here you kinda expect it and can debug it :P |
| 19:43.28 | spydon | jc, I mean in emulator :P |
| 19:43.46 | jc | it doesn't really put a fancy beach image on your desktop and set openmoko.org for your homepage |
| 19:44.00 | jc | and feed you with openmoko.org desktop gadgets |
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| 19:44.43 | spydon | its really smart to tell it to shutdown when it has little battery so it is almost impossible to load it now... :P |
| 19:44.46 | jc | you don't want to know what would happen if the battery ran out completely... |
| 19:45.02 | jc | android doesn't save you from that either |
| 19:45.11 | spydon | and if I boot it up with a nokia battery and try to change to the normal freerunner battery it gives me the shutdown sign too :P |
| 19:45.44 | jc | you comparing masterpiece hardware to a piece of sh*t operating system with a stolen kernel |
| 19:47.33 | spydon | stolen kernel... is that even possible with linux :P |
| 19:47.53 | jc | its gpl, you can't wrap it around with proprietary stuff |
| 19:48.15 | spydon | well what is proprietary? :P |
| 19:48.22 | jc | nothing, just ranting |
| 19:48.29 | jc | I think it wasn't open source from day 1 |
| 19:48.38 | spydon | true |
| 19:48.45 | jc | but you get a bad feeling the first time you download android SDK |
| 19:48.56 | jc | when it shows you the eula and stuff |
| 19:49.02 | jc | everythng google branded |
| 19:49.03 | spydon | yeah and that they just released the new version to some devs |
| 19:49.05 | jc | I hate corporations |
| 19:49.10 | jc | and no I don't smoke grass |
| 19:49.24 | jc | orly? |
| 19:49.25 | jc | bastards |
| 19:50.12 | zash__ | ranting about the crapness of android, are we? |
| 19:50.17 | jc | yeah |
| 19:50.24 | spydon | but I would still be happier if the Android project got more success then the iphone gui :P |
| 19:50.39 | jc | I guess its a lot les evil than iphone |
| 19:50.42 | jc | *less |
| 19:50.47 | zash__ | sandboxed java! |
| 19:50.49 | jc | lol |
| 19:50.55 | jc | welcome to the club :)) |
| 19:51.04 | jc | the same feeling I got when I got to wrote my first j2me app |
| 19:51.17 | AntonTakk | ooh, flexible displays...maybe the gta08 could be like the globals from EFC :) |
| 19:52.03 | jc | EFC ? |
| 19:52.17 | AntonTakk | Earth: Final Conflict |
| 19:52.23 | kirun | makes a change, a while back some people talked of Android like it would make Freerunners shoot bacon or something |
| 19:52.44 | AntonTakk | jc: i take it you never saw that show? |
| 19:52.47 | leinirAWAY | AntonTakk: Hmm... i am actually watching that at the moment :) |
| 19:52.53 | jc | nope :) |
| 19:53.07 | AntonTakk | leinirAWAY: wouldn't you love to have a global as your phone :) |
| 19:53.16 | leinirAWAY | Absolutely :) |
| 19:53.22 | jc | I love fr the way it is :P |
| 19:53.31 | jc | unless someone could desolder the glamo |
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| 19:54.43 | leinirAWAY | AntonTakk: i take it you saw this one :) http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2005/08/31/36208/pull-out-roll-up-display-shown-by-philips.htm |
| 19:55.18 | AntonTakk | nope |
| 19:55.22 | AntonTakk | better, one sec |
| 19:55.28 | jc | dude, its black and white :) |
| 19:55.36 | AntonTakk | http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2008/12/09/hp-and-arizona-state-university-unveil-flexible-display-prototype |
| 19:55.39 | jc | but electronic paper is cool |
| 19:55.42 | AntonTakk | color :) |
| 19:56.07 | jc | oh |
| 19:56.21 | jc | careful not to confuse it for toilet paper when youre watching those movies on the job |
| 19:56.24 | leinirAWAY | The most interesting thing in that article, AntonTakk? :) "The flexible panels are much easier to manufacture than traditional LCDs that are made in batches. HP says that the manufacturing process for the flexible displays allows for continuous production in a roll-to-roll style process." |
| 19:56.35 | jc | 'oh damn ! I just flushed my phone' |
| 19:56.52 | jc | OLEDS are too |
| 19:57.25 | AntonTakk | http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk300/Sakrysta/GlobalLink.jpg |
| 19:57.30 | AntonTakk | EFC Global |
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| 19:57.43 | AntonTakk | kind of a bad picture, but you get the idea |
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| 19:58.47 | jc | thats nice |
| 19:59.25 | BluesLee | are there any official statements concerning the buzzing issue? |
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| 20:02.44 | mathroc07 | /msg nickserv register zh,rdi mathroc@gmail.com |
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| 20:06.54 | AntonTakk | BluesLee: i thought there had been an official hardware fix |
| 20:06.55 | AntonTakk | i might be wrong, it could have been for the echo problem |
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| 20:07.27 | BluesLee | AntonTakk: afaik there is nothing official, this issue sux ... |
| 20:07.38 | jc | isn't that cause of a mixer setting ? |
| 20:07.42 | jc | I had that too with FDOM |
| 20:07.52 | jc | when I tried Om2008.9 it worked fine |
| 20:07.57 | jc | different alsa settings I guess |
| 20:08.29 | AntonTakk | i know the echo can be fixed with mixer settings, but since i'm not using my fr as my daily phone, i'm just waiting for it to be incorporated in to images |
| 20:08.40 | BluesLee | jc: no, it may reduce it a little bit, nothing more |
| 20:08.49 | jc | I'll try it.. |
| 20:09.28 | AntonTakk | the buzzinf was interfeerance from the gsm chip messing with the audio chip. or something |
| 20:09.35 | AntonTakk | as i understand it |
| 20:11.01 | igor321 | there's a chip that decodes the gsm codec, right? |
| 20:11.07 | SpeedEvil | igor321: yes |
| 20:11.10 | igor321 | it outputs analog? |
| 20:11.12 | SpeedEvil | igor321: the 'calypso' from TI |
| 20:11.16 | SpeedEvil | igor321: yes |
| 20:11.23 | igor321 | oh that sucks |
| 20:11.26 | SpeedEvil | igor321: and inputs, and no, you can't get raw data in and out |
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| 20:12.07 | igor321 | is that something that's forbidden or only the case with some chips? |
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| 20:13.08 | igor321 | what i'm asking, is there a chip that deals outputs and inputs raw data? |
| 20:13.16 | SpeedEvil | it's just not available on this chip |
| 20:13.16 | igor321 | *deals with |
| 20:13.34 | igor321 | is the gsm codec public? |
| 20:13.39 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 20:13.45 | SpeedEvil | For obvious reasons. |
| 20:13.52 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 20:13.56 | SpeedEvil | the audio codec, yes |
| 20:14.08 | igor321 | that's what i was asking |
| 20:14.21 | SpeedEvil | But you can't get |
| 20:14.39 | SpeedEvil | you can't do your own encoding and decoding, as you can't get at that part of the datastrem |
| 20:15.10 | igor321 | maybe with some chips other than calypso? |
| 20:15.19 | SpeedEvil | perhaps. |
| 20:15.27 | SpeedEvil | It's not especially useful in the usual case tho. |
| 20:15.36 | igor321 | wouldn't that solve the buzz issues? |
| 20:15.38 | SpeedEvil | wishes he recorded this stuff. |
| 20:15.40 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 20:15.55 | igor321 | sound useful to me :) |
| 20:15.59 | igor321 | *sounds |
| 20:16.05 | SpeedEvil | but that's like solving a small rattle in your car by filling it completely with expanded foam. |
| 20:16.10 | mwester | er, solving the buzz by digital means is a lot harder than it sounds... |
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| 20:16.45 | Tig| | SpeedEvil, Hmm I have a rattle in one of my car doors... |
| 20:16.50 | SpeedEvil | And it's not really useful for other stuff - as there are external codecs. |
| 20:16.54 | mwester | the buzz is not a nice repeating waveform; it's true noise, with many harmonics, and very broadband. |
| 20:16.57 | SpeedEvil | and air-side data errors |
| 20:17.26 | igor321 | external codecs? |
| 20:17.31 | SpeedEvil | Ok. |
| 20:17.43 | SpeedEvil | The data path in a normal GSM phone is something like this. |
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| 20:19.26 | SpeedEvil | mic->codec->GSM radio->data errors over the air->decode to ISDN voice->transmit to phone companys NOC->transmit over landlines->other phone companys transmitter->other codec->transmitter->air +data errors -> other phone ->GSM decoder-> GSM codec ->speaker |
| 20:19.43 | jc | damn no matter what I do, no echo |
| 20:19.58 | jc | I could have sworn somebody told me about it multiple times already |
| 20:20.07 | SpeedEvil | you don't have any control over the second codecs |
| 20:20.09 | BluesLee | jc: you dont get the echo, the other side |
| 20:20.18 | jc | yes thats what I was trying |
| 20:20.27 | jc | playing with card/gps/bt/wifi and calling someone |
| 20:20.39 | jc | and I was talking on the other phone while they were talking to gta02 |
| 20:20.42 | jc | no echo |
| 20:20.57 | linuksamiko | hej, does anybody know if the android image for the neo include the keyboard introduced a few days ago? |
| 20:21.11 | BluesLee | jc: both issues are not amazing, i tested it with my girlfiend and thought "why the hell she doesnt release all my calls", it must be love;-) |
| 20:21.11 | mwester | echo is a result of mechanical feedback from speaker to mic -- if you are using bluetooth, or even the headset, you'll have no echo... |
| 20:21.31 | SpeedEvil | Or if you turn the speaker down and press it to your ear? |
| 20:21.32 | jc | wish I had the same kind of luck :)) |
| 20:21.46 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: why is that a problem? if we're not dealing in any way with the "other codec"? |
| 20:21.58 | jc | last girlfriend dumped me regardless of no echo in our telephone comunications :P |
| 20:22.05 | BluesLee | mwester: the buzz is back for me |
| 20:22.12 | SpeedEvil | igor321: Sorry - I think I may have assumed this was the normal question abotu the codec |
| 20:22.26 | jc | I was told linux is love, so why didn't I get laid already dammit |
| 20:22.27 | SpeedEvil | igor321: 'can I send data over it' - when on reflection that's not what you were asking at all. |
| 20:22.30 | SpeedEvil | was confused. |
| 20:22.43 | igor321 | SpeedEvil: no problem man :) |
| 20:22.50 | igor321 | it's still very good to know this |
| 20:23.03 | SpeedEvil | igor321: yeah - sending data over it would be lovely if it'd work - even with errors. |
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| 20:23.09 | jc | only echo I hear is when you talk over the loudspeaker but thats normal even with other phones |
| 20:23.11 | igor321 | but we _could_ send very slow data |
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| 20:23.26 | SpeedEvil | igor321: but the second codec that you don't have control over is functionally an encryptor with an unknown key for non-voice signals. |
| 20:23.48 | igor321 | we'll then you only use voice signals |
| 20:23.57 | igor321 | i said _very slow: :) |
| 20:24.08 | SpeedEvil | igor321: paradoxically, the best demonstrated data-over-GSM-voice solution that's been found is actually a data-driven voicebox. |
| 20:24.19 | SpeedEvil | Which gets ~1300bps |
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| 20:24.42 | igor321 | that's fast |
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| 20:24.50 | SpeedEvil | surprisingly, yes. |
| 20:25.20 | mwester | BluesLee: why wouldn't it be? It's hardware; no software will ever fix it. ever. |
| 20:26.17 | SpeedEvil | Are there some frequencies that the buzz doesn't affect? |
| 20:26.28 | SpeedEvil | Is it equally bad for 850,900,1800,1900? |
| 20:26.47 | BluesLee | mwester: have to talk to trisoft if no official statement is out for it |
| 20:26.51 | igor321 | well i'm 900 and i don't get it |
| 20:27.00 | BluesLee | i have 900 and i get it |
| 20:27.09 | BluesLee | vodafone germany |
| 20:27.14 | SpeedEvil | Proximity to towers prolly matters. |
| 20:27.17 | jc | hi germany |
| 20:27.26 | jc | our benevolent dictators for a decade or so :D |
| 20:27.30 | mwester | Good point. Wish we could selectively disable/enable bands with the calypso. I suspect the problem is lessened with the lower band, as is the case with most EMI in such a small device) |
| 20:27.33 | SpeedEvil | If you're right next to the tower, the transmitter will be powered right down, so you prolly won't get it |
| 20:27.36 | jc | cheers from czech republic |
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| 20:27.49 | SpeedEvil | mwester: you can - in some countries. |
| 20:27.58 | SpeedEvil | mwester: that have given carriers only on one frequency |
| 20:28.19 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 20:28.20 | BluesLee | jc: i live in germany thats all |
| 20:28.26 | SpeedEvil | also - http://www.dealextreme.com/ |
| 20:28.32 | SpeedEvil | they have a 4 band GSM jammer |
| 20:28.34 | jc | BluesLee I'm just kidding ;) |
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| 20:28.42 | SpeedEvil | I think you can disable each jammer independantly |
| 20:28.52 | SpeedEvil | So you can do tests that way too. |
| 20:29.00 | BluesLee | jc: i know ... |
| 20:30.43 | BluesLee | mwester: i guess the buzz has nothing to do with the sim card i use, its 9 years old and maybe another voltage compared to the newer ones |
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| 20:34.57 | mwester | BluesLee: there's no need to guess what the buzz is about -- docscrutinizer knows *exactly* what it is, and how to fix it -- it has nothing to do with any software, nor with the SIM card! Nothing that you can plug in, configure, or unplug will affect it. It's soldering parts on the board... |
| 20:35.23 | mwester | And certianly no software will have ANY effect on the buzz. |
| 20:35.47 | jc | so what IS it and why it sometimes is and sometimes isn't present in my calls ? |
| 20:35.49 | mwester | Changes in the buzz are due to environmental factors external to the phone -- tower proximity, and perhaps the band in use for a particular call. |
| 20:36.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | mwester: yup. thanks for putting it straight |
| 20:36.31 | mwester | jc: It's RF signals transmitted from the GSM itself that are picked up by the audio chip. |
| 20:36.47 | BluesLee | mwester: okay, that means getting me a neo replacement will not solve my problem as the causing facts maybe the same |
| 20:36.53 | jc | it has low and high pass filters, why wouldn't that make difference ? |
| 20:37.01 | SpeedEvil | jc: not in the audio path |
| 20:37.09 | jc | gsm freqs should be much higher than audio afaik |
| 20:37.21 | jc | so solder in a simple cap? ;) |
| 20:37.30 | mwester | jc: DocScrutinizer2 probably knows best, but it's nothing easy. To make it even more curious, the entire audio chip is encased in a sheilded can. |
| 20:37.53 | jc | I thought almost all the chips were under one shiled |
| 20:37.56 | jc | *shield |
| 20:38.22 | jc | well I don't mind it anyways :) |
| 20:38.30 | mwester | Thre are multiple sheilds, actually -- possibly even compartments inside the shielded can? Dunno for sure, I didn't want to take the metal off. |
| 20:38.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | i'll come up with a thesis eventually. for now have a look to my people.om drawer |
| 20:39.03 | jc | hope you have after 10 pm in your countries, gentlemen |
| 20:39.07 | jc | lets see some nice nude pics |
| 20:39.12 | mwester | frankly, I just plan to use bluetooth headsets, that'll work around the problem in a quite-acceptable manner for me. :) |
| 20:39.24 | jc | damn where was the link |
| 20:39.38 | lindi- | i could not get my bt headset work with linux (tested two laptops and one PC too) |
| 20:39.48 | jc | oh here it is: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/a/af/Gta02a5_pcba_cs.JPG |
| 20:40.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | jc: here it's quite a whilw after 10pm :-D |
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| 20:40.21 | BluesLee | mwester: that means that all produced and not fixed neos will not solve my buzz problem? |
| 20:40.24 | mwester | lindi-: neither could I, I figured I was doing something dumb. |
| 20:40.32 | jc | I recognize the one at the top, second from the left: its the cpu |
| 20:40.50 | mwester | BluesLee: Yes, as far as I know, there are no "magically immune" devices. |
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| 20:41.08 | BluesLee | only hoping will help |
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| 20:41.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | nope, none |
| 20:41.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | buzzfix big-C will help |
| 20:41.42 | mwester | jc: What's that -- Geek porn? |
| 20:41.47 | jc | kinda |
| 20:41.52 | jc | gta02 internals |
| 20:41.58 | jc | with the shields removed |
| 20:42.23 | lindi- | jc: no page seems to link to that image -- how did you find it? ;) |
| 20:42.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | n8!! in 4h hw-meeting @@ |
| 20:42.33 | jc | oh how did I |
| 20:42.34 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2: time goes bye and om does not give an official statement |
| 20:42.35 | jc | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware |
| 20:42.55 | lindi- | jc: ah, that page is not in my checkout |
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| 20:43.43 | mwester | Poor FR. :( it gave it's life for us geeks to gaze upon its insides. |
| 20:43.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | need an official staement? buzz won't be fixed by alsasettings or wikitables |
| 20:43.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | bye |
| 20:43.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | n8 |
| 20:44.00 | BluesLee | bye |
| 20:44.02 | jc | gn |
| 20:44.34 | BluesLee | officiall means something like "people suffering from the buzz should send their devices to hell":-) |
| 20:47.38 | jc | mwester actually I think it its in the middle of production process |
| 20:47.42 | jc | it isn't necessarily dead |
| 20:47.51 | jc | it just has some clothes to put on ;) |
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| 20:48.33 | jc | and if you like kiddie porn, theres something for ya ;P http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/4/45/GTA02_A5_PCB_CS.jpg |
| 20:48.43 | jc | fr in its embryonic state |
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| 21:07.10 | polz | jc: oooh, yeah, look at those pads |
| 21:07.23 | jc | the pcbs really nice |
| 21:11.14 | jc | anyway I'm off to sleep finally, good night and happy hacking :) |
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| 21:34.00 | rooly | oy |
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| 21:57.07 | spydon | hmm, how do you get android to wake up from sleep without "white-screen" :P |
| 21:57.18 | rooly | you don't |
| 21:57.38 | spydon | awesome :) |
| 21:57.59 | spydon | Is SHR as fun as OM2008.9? :P |
| 21:58.59 | Wonka | even more, i'd say. |
| 21:59.31 | spydon | Wonka, any special reasons? :P |
| 22:00.10 | Wonka | spydon: no |
| 22:00.21 | spydon | ok |
| 22:00.44 | Wonka | atm, i need to find some time to even look at my FR :/ |
| 22:03.02 | CM | The latest SHR build doesn't give me a wsod any more |
| 22:03.18 | CM | But that's on a gta01 |
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| 22:09.23 | sicu | haha .. neat phone (SCIphone i68+): http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18775 |
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| 22:24.42 | janrikard | how do i get up the keyboard in shr? im trying to connect to a wlan and have to enter a password? |
| 22:25.21 | viq | janrikard: top menu, right corner |
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| 22:26.36 | janrikard | viq: I have an arrow there pointing to the right |
| 22:29.48 | CM | janrikard: It's above that, really in the top right corner |
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| 22:30.43 | CM | I don't think you can get the keyboard up unless you're in an app that uses it, like the terminal |
| 22:31.48 | viq | you can |
| 22:31.48 | janrikard | cm: I found it, thanks |
| 22:33.50 | janrikard | is shr mofi able to connect to wpa-networks? |
| 22:34.03 | Tig| | janrikard, yes |
| 22:34.13 | viq | yes |
| 22:34.18 | Tig| | well it worked here out of the box |
| 22:34.37 | Dave | TIG |
| 22:35.16 | Tig| | DAVE! |
| 22:35.33 | janrikard | Tig: do have to do anything special, just flashed my moko and then started mofi and entered password, but it looks like mofi hanged |
| 22:36.04 | Tig| | janrikard, nope nothing special, it might look like it is hanged but it might be doing stuff in the background |
| 22:36.25 | Tig| | it is not very good at providing user feedback on what it is doing :) |
| 22:36.48 | janrikard | for several minutes? i dont have to do a reboot befor it works? |
| 22:36.57 | Tig| | erk |
| 22:37.03 | Tig| | that does sound hanged |
| 22:37.12 | Tig| | try a reboot then |
| 22:37.36 | Tig| | can't hurt |
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| 22:40.02 | viq | It's computers after all ;) |
| 22:40.23 | Tig| | standard MS support line :) |
| 22:41.20 | viq | we should charge standard rates too ;) |
| 22:41.33 | Tig| | heh |
| 22:43.26 | janrikard | a rebbot helped, thanks |
| 22:43.48 | Tig| | yay :) |
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| 22:52.14 | Tig| | hmm a ribbot would make a good name for a robot frog :) |
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| 22:55.00 | balrog | robot frogs... must be useful |
| 22:55.14 | Wonka | robot crickets... |
| 22:55.35 | Tig| | robot crickets would be handy in the test matches :) |
| 22:57.01 | Toaster` | is mofi available in the testing repos? |
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| 23:06.50 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r08e955a3cad3 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: audio: encode filename in " to fix FSO bug #297. |
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| 23:33.09 | mokel | where can i get wmctrl for openmoko? |
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| 23:38.12 | khaije1 | hi, is there a official 'consumer-ready' milestone? j/w |
| 23:38.49 | SpeedEvil | doubts they'll try that again. |
| 23:39.27 | khaije1 | ya? their whole milestone system is going rather well it seems |
| 23:40.06 | khaije1 | i could see them setting a 'consumer' release between 2 and 4 milestones out, no? |
| 23:40.27 | SpeedEvil | Consumer ready is a long ways off IMO. |
| 23:40.35 | SpeedEvil | A long, long ways. |
| 23:40.49 | SpeedEvil | It's got to have nicely integrated normal phone functions. |
| 23:40.54 | SpeedEvil | PIM things. |
| 23:41.10 | SpeedEvil | good media player. |
| 23:41.40 | khaije1 | hmm... i thought a lot of those were in good condition |
| 23:41.42 | SpeedEvil | and it all to play as a seamless whole that is no more confusing than any other phone. |
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| 23:41.56 | SpeedEvil | With desktop syncing, and everything else 'just working'. |
| 23:42.17 | khaije1 | shouldn't they at least set the consumer requirements then update the progress on each goal? |
| 23:42.47 | khaije1 | that way it's not a perpetual beta, which probably isn't their intention anyway |
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| 23:44.24 | SpeedEvil | probably. |
| 23:45.05 | Shlee | A clean upgrade path would be nice.. |
| 23:45.34 | SpeedEvil | GTA02 isn't release quality hardware for obvious reasons. |
| 23:45.38 | SpeedEvil | (buzz) |
| 23:45.53 | khaije1 | in the call quality? i thought that was s/w fixable |
| 23:46.17 | SpeedEvil | It's possible that a new release of GTA02 fixing the buzz may arrive, but if that doesn't arrive - we're waiting till 03 for release quality hardware. |
| 23:46.22 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: it's not |
| 23:46.41 | SpeedEvil | And 03 hardware is at least 6 months off (I'd be astonished at that timescale) |
| 23:47.12 | khaije1 | from OM/FIC ? i didn't know they were working on it at all |
| 23:47.16 | Shlee | khaije1: Everyone with a GTA02 is pretty much just a sponsor for the next hardware release. |
| 23:47.25 | khaije1 | hehehe |
| 23:48.19 | khaije1 | i think they've learned a lot, i hope they take these lessons to heart in future releases |
| 23:49.57 | Shlee | Hopefully. Id like to see a totally new design on the OM hardware tho :( |
| 23:50.07 | Shlee | Slideout keyboard or something. |
| 23:50.43 | SpeedEvil | Slideout keyboard is a bitch. |
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| 23:50.57 | SpeedEvil | It's mechanically complex, and easy to get wrong. |
| 23:51.16 | Shlee | :( |
| 23:51.55 | Shlee | Any form changes expected for GTA03? |
| 23:52.04 | Shlee | or just upgraded SOC/GPS/blah |
| 23:52.24 | SpeedEvil | Nobody has really come out and said what the case'll look like |
| 23:52.28 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 23:53.16 | khaije1 | is it an established fact that a GTA03 is underway? |
| 23:53.28 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: to a limited degree |
| 23:53.31 | Shlee | Personally, Id be happy if they can make the screen profile fit the case flat. |
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| 23:54.53 | khaije1 | for gta03 i'd really only want to see h/w bug fixes and sexier form factor |
| 23:55.27 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: GTA03 is _major_ change. |
| 23:55.33 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: it was to be a halfway house |
| 23:55.47 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: minor SoC change, remove the glamo, add camera. |
| 23:55.55 | khaije1 | the power is already there imo, though it would be nice to rebase on debian |
| 23:55.57 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: that would have pretty much meant nothing else changes. |
| 23:56.00 | Shlee | Goodbye Glamo! |
| 23:56.05 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: however. |
| 23:56.25 | khaije1 | glamo goes blamo |
| 23:56.54 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: the GTA03 now has changed |
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| 23:57.08 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: the new SoC is dramatically different. |
| 23:57.14 | khaije1 | still arm? |
| 23:57.47 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: yes. But it's a few levels up, and with integrated GPU. They're also talking about changing the phone hardware, which is about as major as it gets. |
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| 23:58.12 | SpeedEvil | It'll be an essentially new phone IMO. |
| 23:58.52 | Shlee | prays for a single master distro |
| 23:58.59 | khaije1 | i'm starting to think OM only wants to break my heart because there is always something unspeakably awesome just around the corner |
| 23:59.07 | Shlee | One main stable Git for all to enjoy |
| 23:59.21 | khaije1 | everytime i think i'm out... it puuuullllsss me back in |
| 23:59.37 | mickeyl | don't hold your breath though, 03 is far away |
| 23:59.40 | khaije1 | one git to find them and in the darkness bind them |
| 23:59.44 | mickeyl | although the ingredients rocks |
