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| 00:07.11 | |Marco| | hum.. |
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| 00:08.10 | mariusno | when flashing to OM2008.9, i run the: dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ''Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs.jffs2'' |
| 00:08.22 | mariusno | do i also need to flash the bootloader? |
| 00:08.44 | mokel | no |
| 00:08.54 | mokel | but the kernel could be |
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| 00:10.14 | mariusno | ? |
| 00:10.39 | mokel | you have to flash the 2008.9er kernel |
| 00:10.48 | mariusno | so i should run: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.9-gta02-20081106.uImage.bin |
| 00:10.54 | mariusno | after the first command |
| 00:11.01 | rooly | no |
| 00:11.04 | mokel | no |
| 00:11.04 | mokel | ! |
| 00:11.18 | mokel | -a kernel |
| 00:11.50 | mariusno | ah |
| 00:12.15 | mariusno | dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.9-gta02-20081106.uImage.bin first |
| 00:12.22 | |Marco| | quatrox: where is the image you are refering to for shr ? |
| 00:12.26 | mariusno | then the root system |
| 00:12.53 | Sargun | I want to post this to community: You obviously haven't ever seen a major consumer device being developed. Normally projects like OM have hundreds if not thousands of developers behind them. Openmoko IS NOT the iPhone, or the HTC Touch. I mean, I can't wdjwapdwa FUCK OFF TROLLS. |
| 00:14.07 | quatrox | |Marco|: shr.bearstech.com |
| 00:14.22 | |Marco| | thankx |
| 00:14.55 | |Marco| | are there images there or only sources ? |
| 00:15.16 | quatrox | the images are there too... hold on |
| 00:15.33 | quatrox | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
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| 00:16.12 | |Marco| | err, aren't they for gta-01 ? |
| 00:16.24 | quatrox | Freerunner images is misplaced there |
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| 00:16.32 | |Marco| | ah |
| 00:16.33 | |Marco| | I see |
| 00:16.37 | quatrox | or the dir has a bad name |
| 00:17.17 | |Marco| | okay.. |
| 00:17.45 | |Marco| | do I need to do anything with QI ti get it to boot it from flash ? |
| 00:18.36 | quatrox | hmm |
| 00:18.54 | quatrox | not sure |
| 00:19.03 | quatrox | but uboot works |
| 00:19.27 | quatrox | and you have uboot in NOR |
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| 00:20.48 | quatrox | i only tried qi with sd cards |
| 00:23.29 | StealthCP | Sargun, makes sense |
| 00:23.29 | |Marco| | okiday |
| 00:23.54 | StealthCP | if you saw my comments earlier, I could only hint that it might be a good idea to take a look at how these phones do things at times |
| 00:24.06 | StealthCP | e.g. how to do them right |
| 00:24.43 | StealthCP | I've studied the iPhone in depth over the past week, and the attention to detail, even tiny, small unnoticeable enhancemnts, make the whole iPhone the package that it is |
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| 00:25.44 | StealthCP | and that's why I'm annoyed at my lack of programming skill, because I can't think of anything more I'd want to do but to help develop, improve and encourage openmoko development |
| 00:26.37 | StealthCP | I'd love to go to a prospective employer in the future once I've finished university and say yep, I made this and this, or I worked actively with this project, etc |
| 00:27.06 | StealthCP | two people win there, openmoko development with my patches and myself for creating them |
| 00:27.20 | StealthCP | creating experience and promoting my employability |
| 00:27.35 | StealthCP | working with embedded devices is what I want to end up doing in my career |
| 00:28.25 | bug1 | im trying to build from source starting with MokoMakefile, i get an error building illume; svn: '/svn/e/!svn/bc/38095/trunk/illume' path not found |
| 00:28.37 | StealthCP | if this is all a bit useless talk then I can finish - I have to get up in 5 hours anyway and I'm not in the best mind to be talking :) |
| 00:29.59 | bug1 | StealthCP: open source is a good way to get programming skill |
| 00:30.41 | rooly | its also a great way to get free 1's and 0's |
| 00:30.45 | bug1 | because its collaborative, peer-review etc, you can see others work, see how other people change your changes etc |
| 00:30.57 | StealthCP | as my friend keeps telling me (currently on his gap year working with Ericsson down in Ireland) |
| 00:31.16 | rooly | ...he says 'down' |
| 00:31.21 | rooly | where are you then |
| 00:31.26 | StealthCP | northern ireland :P |
| 00:31.58 | StealthCP | I would have said, down in Dublin, but then this channel is a bit more international than that, so i changed it to ireland |
| 00:32.35 | mrgarlic | why is it that the 2008.9 distro doesn't have a terminal? |
| 00:32.46 | rooly | it does, just not included by default |
| 00:32.51 | rooly | its rather barebones |
| 00:32.53 | mrgarlic | right. |
| 00:33.12 | mrgarlic | just seems like a better option for default then sodoku |
| 00:33.32 | StealthCP | the terminal on the iPhone is pretty crap, though I'm not totally fussed about that |
| 00:33.47 | StealthCP | at least with openmoko/freerunner I can write with flexible and reusable toolkits |
| 00:33.59 | mrgarlic | by the way ....... first flashing of phone went well |
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| 00:35.27 | rooly | and if you pay attention to detail, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and nth wil also go well |
| 00:36.08 | mrgarlic | there is a place for everything and everything is in its place |
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| 00:53.40 | mariusno | might be a stupid question, but how do i get number inputs from the touch keyboard on the phone? |
| 00:53.56 | mariusno | 2008.9 |
| 00:55.06 | rooly | mariusno, read the channel topic |
| 00:56.03 | mariusno | clearly a common question... not really into IRC so i kind of ignored the topic |
| 00:57.03 | rooly | understandable |
| 00:57.23 | SpeedEvil | It's automatically changed by a selection of clairvoyants, just before people enter the channel. |
| 00:57.26 | mwester | See wiki "humor" page on *that* topic ;) |
| 00:57.30 | SpeedEvil | Much more effective than the normal manner. |
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| 01:05.32 | |Marco| | quatrox: how is it with graphical keyboards in shr ? |
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| 01:14.11 | sicu | |Marco|: there's quite a few screenshots of SHR @ scap (though plenty of others as well) |
| 01:15.41 | sicu | or check the SHR wiki, though some of the images are outdated: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Screenshots |
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| 01:21.23 | |Marco| | sicu: not scren caps |
| 01:21.36 | |Marco| | as in flash images |
| 01:21.44 | |Marco| | and I've found them |
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| 01:29.10 | sicu | you were asking about graphical keyboards, so i linked to some caps of the illume kb =p |
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| 01:48.09 | slaxxin | the white keyboard with skinny black letters DOES suck |
| 01:49.06 | slaxxin | just my opinion but its a blinder |
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| 02:07.36 | mrgarlic | RSA key is questioned by my system after updating om |
| 02:09.53 | Dave | yep |
| 02:14.23 | mrgarlic | so. this is where a terminal in the default distribution is better then soduku |
| 02:14.49 | mrgarlic | i am thrilled with this device though. |
| 02:14.57 | mrgarlic | excited to work with it |
| 02:17.56 | mrgarlic | but talking trash sometime |
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| 02:42.56 | MadTBone | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi says that Qi kills suspend/resume... is this still true, or has it been fixed? |
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| 02:46.26 | AntonTakk1 | if i flash qi to my freerunner, it will go in nand and uboot will still be in nor, correct? |
| 02:48.06 | MadTBone | AntonTakk1: yes. that's my understanding |
| 02:48.18 | AntonTakk1 | same here, from reading the qi page on the wiki |
| 02:48.25 | Staticwave_Ace | you can't change the NOR without a debug board, so yes |
| 02:49.15 | AntonTakk1 | cool, so i'll be able to go back to uboot if qi doesn't work for me or w/e :) |
| 02:49.42 | Staticwave_Ace | definitely |
| 02:50.32 | AntonTakk1 | thanks :) - incidentally, either of you tried qi? impressions? |
| 02:50.53 | Staticwave_Ace | flashing right now to try it |
| 02:50.57 | Staticwave_Ace | I'll get back to you |
| 02:51.04 | Staticwave_Ace | heh |
| 02:52.35 | MadTBone | ditto |
| 02:52.44 | AntonTakk1 | going to see if i can use adroid on my fr as my daily phone - boss is thinking about setting up my windows mobile smart phone with active sinc push e-mail to my t-mobile wing, and i don't like the idea of a certain member of our department being able to activate remote wipe on my personal phone :-\ |
| 02:53.32 | AntonTakk1 | along with other "features" that that enables |
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| 02:55.00 | Staticwave_Ace | well with the source, one would hope you can disable such things |
| 02:56.44 | AntonTakk1 | .....don't have access to source with windows mobile |
| 02:57.02 | MadTBone | Just booted with Qi.... defaults to no console messages.... may be a shorter boot time, but feels longer due to no visual feedback |
| 02:57.12 | Staticwave_Ace | good to know |
| 02:57.13 | Staticwave_Ace | "wait" |
| 02:57.20 | Staticwave_Ace | android does the same thing actually |
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| 02:58.39 | AntonTakk1 | am i correct in understanding that qi does not have the same limitation as uboot with reguards to booting w/o a somewhat charged battery? |
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| 03:00.07 | Staticwave_Ace | hrmm |
| 03:00.11 | Staticwave_Ace | Qi gave me *some* output |
| 03:03.00 | Staticwave_Ace | well |
| 03:03.03 | Staticwave_Ace | Qi was faster |
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| 03:53.56 | slaxxin | i guess Qi works for all the other oss |
| 03:54.02 | slaxxin | ? |
| 03:54.33 | slaxxin | time to step up to the plate |
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| 03:56.59 | slaxxin | can Qi boot to the nand first? |
| 03:57.18 | Staticwave_Ace | tires sd card first |
| 03:57.29 | Staticwave_Ace | looks for /boot/uImage-GTA02 |
| 03:57.43 | Staticwave_Ace | if nonexistant, tries NAND |
| 03:57.58 | Staticwave_Ace | http://people.openmoko.org/andy/README |
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| 04:09.34 | AntonTakk1 | anyone know if there are still 2007.2 images available for the freerunner anywhere? |
| 04:14.03 | AntonTakk1 | nevermind, found them |
| 04:14.12 | Staticwave_Ace | share? |
| 04:14.17 | rooly | i've got one |
| 04:14.25 | rooly | well...its 07.11 |
| 04:18.42 | Staticwave_Ace | well it appears he's found some kind of a source |
| 04:19.58 | AntonTakk1 | yeah, let me get the link |
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| 04:20.38 | AntonTakk1 | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/freerunner_om-gta02/ no recent builds, but at least the images are available |
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| 04:29.00 | slaxxin | able |
| 04:29.05 | slaxxin | wat |
| 04:32.35 | slaxxin | i really like the ability to move things from the shelf gadgets to the hidden gadgets with a gui |
| 04:32.47 | slaxxin | in shr |
| 04:36.46 | mwester | able? wat? |
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| 08:52.48 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:15.27 | sebbs | im gonna get my GTA02 today :) |
| 09:16.19 | sebbs | i came to the conclusion that i cant wait for gta03 and so what if i end up having 2 openmokos |
| 09:16.41 | sebbs | i can build something cool out of the old one, i mean it has a builtin wifi and gps, i should be able to build something original with it |
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| 09:36.05 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * re3aa995da2e2 10/packages/openmoko-projects/tichy_git.bb: tichy_git.bb: fix trailing white spaces. |
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| 09:45.27 | sebbs | show is the video playback on the openmoko? |
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| 09:54.34 | Kred | I've updated u-boot, but on the boot menu it still says the incorrect date. What could be wrong? |
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| 10:11.57 | Kred | ah, it's from NOR |
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| 10:38.06 | sebbs | how well does debian+gsm work? |
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| 10:38.19 | sebbs | would anyone know? |
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| 11:02.55 | lindi- | sebbs: well |
| 11:05.21 | sebbs | lindi-: hey |
| 11:05.38 | sebbs | im gonna go buy a openmoko today |
| 11:06.23 | lindi- | sebbs: openmoko is the company and the distro |
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| 11:06.28 | lindi- | sebbs: neo freerunner is the phone |
| 11:06.32 | sebbs | yes, i mean a GTA02 |
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| 11:06.45 | sebbs | i meant a openmoko phone rather |
| 11:07.33 | lindi- | sebbs: i hope you have patience and development skills |
| 11:08.01 | sebbs | well skills depends on what i will be doing. patience i do have. |
| 11:09.23 | sebbs | i work on clusters in my day to day life, i should think i am technically skilled enough to use a opensource phone+ the fact ive been using linux exclusivly for the last 10 years. |
| 11:10.25 | sebbs | but then again, i do not know anything about what the software layout on the phone is, only what i have read. what alures me are not the features on the phone, rather the customizations i can make |
| 11:10.26 | SpeedEvil | sebbs: at the moment it's not really yet functionally a phone in many ways |
| 11:10.48 | SpeedEvil | sebbs: there are quite a few problems that stop it working well as a phone. Power managment, and suspend are major ones. |
| 11:10.48 | sebbs | i could me able to finally have a device which i can syncronize in the way i want. |
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| 11:11.23 | sebbs | i read about the powermanagement part, seems to be ok though, works well for 4 hours playing media |
| 11:11.52 | SpeedEvil | sebbs: At the moment, it works quite well as a small X device with linux, and minimal powersaving. |
| 11:12.00 | sebbs | and the phone i have atm i have to charge everyday |
| 11:12.20 | sebbs | SpeedEvil: that is good enough for me, most of the call i make are over skype anyway |
| 11:12.32 | SpeedEvil | sebbs: you know you can't do skype oveer GSM? |
| 11:12.35 | sebbs | i just need to be able to make a call if in a emergency, like i lockmyself out or whatnot |
| 11:12.37 | SpeedEvil | GPRS |
| 11:12.43 | sebbs | SpeedEvil: wifi |
| 11:12.47 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 11:12.53 | sebbs | i dont wanna pay for it :) |
| 11:13.01 | sebbs | im cheap like that |
| 11:13.48 | sebbs | but i mean i would like to be able to recive and send texts and calls |
| 11:14.03 | sebbs | i read that it was not working very well as of yet, which is fine, aslong as the goal is that it will work |
| 11:14.08 | sebbs | i am not in a hurry |
| 11:14.38 | sebbs | the only worring part about the phone is input |
| 11:15.11 | sebbs | touchscreens tend to be crappy imho |
| 11:15.46 | Defiant- | I liked the input way of the Palm III I had |
| 11:16.33 | sebbs | i meant cos i wanna use the terminal, and input alot of text, that is the onlything worring me |
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| 11:17.20 | sebbs | lindi-: you where running debian on your phone correct? |
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| 11:19.24 | lindi- | sebbs: yeah |
| 11:19.30 | lindi- | sebbs: since 2008-08 or something |
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| 11:20.23 | sebbs | lindi-: what gsm functions work for you |
| 11:20.37 | lindi- | sebbs: making a call, receiving a call |
| 11:20.42 | lindi- | sebbs: gprs |
| 11:20.51 | sebbs | what about sms |
| 11:20.54 | sebbs | oh |
| 11:21.05 | sebbs | cool then it works well |
| 11:21.30 | sebbs | (*well enough for me) |
| 11:22.19 | lindi- | sebbs: i have not tested it much |
| 11:22.34 | lindi- | sebbs: has worked so far too but i use it quite little |
| 11:22.57 | sebbs | lindi-: how about inputting text in debian |
| 11:23.06 | sebbs | you have to be in X to do that correct? |
| 11:23.28 | sebbs | and run like a onscreen keyboard? |
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| 11:24.01 | sebbs | so X has to be running? (does that not take alot of memory, iirc the phone only has 128 ram) |
| 11:24.36 | gecco | yes |
| 11:24.55 | sebbs | :( that kinda sucks |
| 11:25.22 | sebbs | i would think X makes the phone run slow |
| 11:25.48 | sebbs | perhaps i am wrong |
| 11:25.52 | gecco | without X you can't use virtual keyboard |
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| 11:26.37 | sebbs | i guess thats the downside of not having a hardware keyboard |
| 11:27.39 | Defiant- | it should be poossible to plug in an usb keyboard |
| 11:27.57 | sebbs | ok so lets say i am running one of those distrubutions, how difficult is it to run applications like mutt etc |
| 11:28.02 | lindi- | sebbs: i use xvkbd |
| 11:28.17 | gecco | you can use this http://gecco.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/fotocamera/ for attach a usb keyboard :) |
| 11:28.20 | sebbs | Defiant-: well i dont know what they batterytime on a usbkeyboard would be, but i would think its annoying |
| 11:28.20 | SpeedEvil | sebbs: X is not slow |
| 11:28.24 | sebbs | ah sweet gecco :D |
| 11:28.31 | lindi- | sebbs: i would imagine mutt to be quite easy since gnus works here |
| 11:28.36 | SpeedEvil | sebbs: I've used X on a 20MHz 386, and it's quite usable |
| 11:28.38 | gecco | mutt?? in openmoko??? |
| 11:28.50 | sebbs | so all my problems are not really problems |
| 11:28.50 | Defiant- | sebbs: There is always a problem :) |
| 11:28.52 | SpeedEvil | sebbs: the toolkits on top of X may be very slow |
| 11:29.07 | sebbs | SpeedEvil: yes i see your point |
| 11:29.50 | sebbs | gecco: that url was wickid, im gonna make one then |
| 11:29.52 | sebbs | :) |
| 11:30.10 | sebbs | ill make one over xmas |
| 11:30.58 | Defiant- | Why not. A tiny self-powered USB keyboard. Of course its not bigger then the telephone itself |
| 11:31.25 | sebbs | Defiant-: yes it would work very well. touchscreen+vi seems a bit harsh |
| 11:31.38 | sebbs | would work in worstcase scenarios but i like this usbcable fix |
| 11:31.40 | Kayin | Gotta get me one of these. |
| 11:31.40 | Kayin | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ |
| 11:32.00 | sebbs | Kayin: ive heard they suck |
| 11:32.06 | Kayin | Really? |
| 11:32.10 | sebbs | i know a guy who said he bought one and did not like it at all |
| 11:32.18 | Kayin | As in, unresponsive? |
| 11:32.18 | sebbs | i cannot confirm on it cos ive never tried one |
| 11:32.22 | sebbs | yes |
| 11:32.32 | sebbs | i wanted one too when i saw it |
| 11:32.44 | Kayin | It looks so futuristic. |
| 11:32.47 | sebbs | yea :) |
| 11:32.56 | sebbs | cool with the lazer |
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| 11:33.23 | sebbs | so input i can sort out, phone works well enough |
| 11:33.43 | sebbs | im pretty sure im gonna get it, ive been waiting for a phone like this for years |
| 11:34.11 | Defiant- | I still would like to see the input method of Palm in my freerunner |
| 11:34.20 | sebbs | acctually tried ordering the GTA01 but it went out of stock really fast, then i got myself a nice nokia phone (nice as in hardware is nice) |
| 11:34.26 | sebbs | but i cannot stand symbian, it makes me almost cry |
| 11:34.35 | sebbs | Defiant-: palms are nice |
| 11:34.44 | sebbs | i like the whole 3 tap idea |
| 11:34.51 | sebbs | or was it 2 tap |
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| 11:56.11 | mariusno | anyone of you fixed the antenna problems? Tried software updates to OM2008.9 but it is still not getting a fix |
| 11:56.27 | sebbs | how big is openmoko when installed on the phone |
| 11:56.34 | sebbs | i mean how much disk space does it take |
| 11:58.21 | SpeedEvil | 30-200M, depending on what you mean by openmoko |
| 11:58.47 | SpeedEvil | you can of course install stuff on SD |
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| 12:05.36 | sebbs | openmoko as in the operative system |
| 12:06.12 | sebbs | yes i was wondering about the size of the acctual software, cos i would like to try out the different OSes |
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| 12:12.59 | sebbs | oh |
| 12:13.00 | sebbs | btw |
| 12:13.44 | sebbs | i wonder if i have any use of a debugboard |
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| 12:14.30 | sebbs | what does the debugboard give access to? |
| 12:14.40 | sebbs | i guess the NOR flash? |
| 12:15.34 | Mor10mer | Anyono knows why python is complaining about import errors whatewer i do? |
| 12:15.55 | Mor10mer | It seems like it can't find any of the standard libraries |
| 12:15.59 | sebbs | i would think you are missing something |
| 12:16.00 | sebbs | yes |
| 12:16.08 | sebbs | would you have a debug? |
| 12:16.13 | sebbs | im about to go |
| 12:16.35 | Mor10mer | root@om-gta02:/usr/lib/python2.5# tichy |
| 12:16.35 | Mor10mer | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 12:16.35 | Mor10mer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.35 | Mor10mer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.35 | Mor10mer | ImportError: No module named optparse |
| 12:16.40 | sebbs | optparse |
| 12:16.43 | Mor10mer | Just an example, |
| 12:17.11 | sebbs | you are missing a lib |
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| 12:17.15 | sebbs | try to install it |
| 12:17.32 | sebbs | i dont know how though, cos i dont have the phone |
| 12:18.13 | Mor10mer | Iwell, is it a package, because i can't find it |
| 12:18.34 | Mor10mer | I thing it should be in the stl of python |
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| 12:18.57 | Mor10mer | Thats the problem. Even programs that just use stl complains about import errors |
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| 12:31.09 | Mor10mer | Anyone know what packages you need to develop python on the freerunner (Om 2008.testing) |
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| 12:42.52 | GNUtoo | hello,I tested FSO 4.1 and fso-testing kernel(opkg upgrade inside fso 4.1 without changing the repos)....and....the wifi often disconnect...if I use SHR's kernel....will the phone still come out of suspend when there is an incomming call? |
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| 12:51.39 | rooly | jesus christ on a pogo-stick, batman |
| 12:51.47 | rooly | its freakin snowing |
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| 14:04.53 | nicfer | one question, can be ported openoffice.org to the freerunner? |
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| 14:08.14 | Vegar | nicfer: the freerunner doesn't have enough ram to run OOo |
| 14:08.23 | mjr | in principle, but you probably wouldn't have much fun with the fr's cpu and ram |
| 14:08.42 | mjr | I have run it remotely over X11 successfully |
| 14:10.20 | nicfer | oh I see |
| 14:11.23 | nicfer | equally this phone isn't ready for the corporative market |
| 14:13.45 | nicfer | there isn't a free equivalent program to m$'s exchange, or is there one? |
| 14:13.51 | AntonTakk | nicfer: it's not even claimed to be ready for the retail market, what makes you think it would be ready for a corporation? |
| 14:13.54 | mjr | it isn't ready for most markets, but what oo.org being out of the picture has to do with that eludes me |
| 14:13.59 | GNUtoo | nicfer, mabe ooo3 because ooo2 had a bug: it had hardcoded directives for compiling for armv5 |
| 14:14.22 | GNUtoo | nicfer, so mabe if debian fixed the bug you could try it in debian... |
| 14:14.58 | AntonTakk | nicfer: evolution is probably the closest atm, and the openchange project's libs should provide native mapi within a couple years, if not sooner |
| 14:15.05 | mjr | you generally don't expect to be able to run full-fledged office apps on a phone, any phone, even in a corporate setting |
| 14:15.11 | mjr | unless perhaps you're a phb |
| 14:15.15 | XorA | Vegar: not true, some insane people got OOo working on zaurus and that has half the ram of freerunner |
| 14:15.27 | Vegar | I stand corrected |
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| 14:15.43 | XorA | Vegar: I beleive it took 20mins to load, but it did run |
| 14:16.14 | mjr | well of course you _can_ do it... hell, throw in a couple of gigs swap on an sd... |
| 14:16.35 | AntonTakk | i think the way to go would be to create an oo.o-mobile component, with a much stripped down ui and what not |
| 14:16.51 | AntonTakk | if you _must_ have oo.o |
| 14:18.14 | AntonTakk | better, i think would be to perhaps make a new office suite for mobile devices that simply uses the oo.o file import/export stuff |
| 14:20.22 | mjr | one wonders about looking at gnumeric and abiword |
| 14:20.24 | XorA | what is wrong with gnumeric and abiword? |
| 14:20.30 | mjr | hi-five |
| 14:20.34 | XorA | abiword has a nice small screen UI |
| 14:20.40 | XorA | build abiword-embedded in OE |
| 14:20.54 | XorA | I even made most of the plugins work |
| 14:21.35 | AntonTakk | yeah, that would be fine too |
| 14:21.54 | XorA | gnumeric is harder because the toolbars fill most of a VGA screen |
| 14:21.57 | XorA | but it works well |
| 14:22.28 | XorA | I have even used The GIMP on PDA :-D |
| 14:22.34 | AntonTakk | do only the absolutely minimum toolbars on the screen, make everything else a context menu |
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| 15:27.30 | Daramarak | Goddam it quiet today, has everybody lost their freerunners? No fun to be lurking when noone is chatting. Anyone got anything good to say about 2008.11? |
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| 15:27.55 | Daramarak | s/it/it is |
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| 15:33.20 | Weiss | "2008.11" has been behaving nicely for me |
| 15:33.44 | Weiss | i was having trouble with lost registration before, but it seems to have gone |
| 15:37.03 | GNUtoo | hello,I tested FSO 4.1 and fso-testing kernel(opkg upgrade inside fso 4.1 without changing the repos)....and....the wifi often disconnect...if I use SHR's kernel....will the phone still come out of suspend when there is an incomming call? |
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| 15:44.44 | marius_ | somone told me that the moko9-beta1 firmware for GSM chip might destroy the sim card... anyone confirm? |
| 15:47.51 | sicu | hmmm, I flashed the moko10 fw and my 3G SIM card is just fine, in fact it now works whereas before it didn't |
| 15:48.39 | marius_ | ah, okay |
| 15:48.45 | sicu | marius_: having SIM issues after flashing? or just curious? |
| 15:48.55 | marius_ | just curious |
| 15:49.08 | marius_ | someone told me i had to upgrade |
| 15:49.18 | marius_ | or my current sim card might get corrupt |
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| 17:16.05 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 17:16.17 | slaxxin | dave knows i bet |
| 17:16.24 | slaxxin | DAVE |
| 17:16.54 | slaxxin | S U P E R D A V E |
| 17:17.18 | ceupers_ | :) |
| 17:21.34 | mwester | ceupers_: lower bitrates? How? |
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| 17:22.39 | ceupers_ | oops, baudrates |
| 17:23.10 | dent | ceupers_ it shoudl hang @ Bootloader: (reset target) |
| 17:23.20 | dent | untill you reset it from another terminal |
| 17:23.28 | dent | or, well, start it |
| 17:23.31 | mwester | ceupers_: the baudrate cannot be changed; the calypso ONLY works at 115200 |
| 17:23.33 | dent | with root@om-gta02:~# s3c24xx-gpio b7=1 |
| 17:23.38 | ceupers_ | ah k, then execute s3c24xx-gpio b7=1 |
| 17:23.58 | dent | then you should see this fluid move on |
| 17:23.58 | ceupers_ | lol |
| 17:24.06 | ceupers_ | ok, i'll try this and that |
| 17:26.02 | sicu | hehe ... i assumed you already tried starting the modem from a second SSH ;p |
| 17:26.16 | sicu | let us know as you progress =] |
| 17:27.06 | dent | I had a suspicion it could be this, but dismissed it as improbable :) |
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| 17:28.57 | ceupers_ | yeah, thinking of it right now makes it kind of logical ;) |
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| 17:29.16 | dent | let us know when you finally brick it :) j/k |
| 17:30.04 | sicu | hehe ;] |
| 17:30.33 | slaxxin | is that on the wiki? |
| 17:31.01 | dent | yes, how else would I know? :) |
| 17:33.11 | mwester | someone should add a line about checking the md5sum of the image once it is finally downloaded to the neo; that's at least two cases where someone has attempted to flash a bad copy. Apparently networks aren't made as well as they used to when I was young... :p |
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| 17:35.30 | slaxxin | yea |
| 17:36.26 | dent | btw. how easy is it to really brick the gsm? if I try to flash a broken image, am I screwed? |
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| 17:40.08 | ceupers_ | i'll add some info |
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| 17:42.38 | mwester | dent: insufficient data to determine. AFAIK, all who have tried have eventually succeeded. But Om has repeatedly stated that the procedure may brick the gsm with no recovery possible. |
| 17:44.08 | mwester | dent: I upgraded one device from Moko1 (!) firmware to the latest; I figured it was so old that I had nothing to lose. I'll wait before I flash the others until they fix bug #1024; the fewer times I flash that firmware the less risky it will be, I expect. |
| 17:45.43 | dent | mwester: ok, thx for info |
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| 17:52.41 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * raf73ebed4e19 10/fsod/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:52.41 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: PowerControl: |
| 17:52.41 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Make PowerControl objects Resource aware by inheriting org.freesmartphone.Resource |
| 17:52.41 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Fix powernodes and modenodes |
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| 18:21.49 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:30.37 | Dave | Slaxin, what do you want? |
| 18:35.44 | slaxxin | ceupers was doing the gsm firmware upgrade an i figured u knew what he should do |
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| 18:46.59 | Dave | Slaxin, yeah |
| 18:47.07 | Dave | mk10 fw ftw |
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| 18:54.26 | owad | I'm interested in using the Freerunner for data acquisition, but AT&T and T-Mobile forbid this via their TOS. Does anybody know of an alternative? |
| 18:55.21 | slaxxin | make your own gsm network |
| 18:56.37 | Zorkman | mod it to a sattelite phone |
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| 18:57.20 | parodyoflanguage | What sort of data aquisition? |
| 18:58.09 | owad | sending back a few integers every minute |
| 18:58.29 | owad | retrieved from an attached usb sensor |
| 18:58.43 | parodyoflanguage | For what purpose? |
| 18:59.11 | owad | environmental monitoring |
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| 19:00.15 | parodyoflanguage | Cool. I don't know how to do what you're trying to do, I was just curious :) |
| 19:00.27 | Dave | owad, they don't permit this? |
| 19:00.34 | henk | sounds interesting. |
| 19:00.36 | Dave | I don't see what the problem is, I do it. |
| 19:00.38 | Dave | :X |
| 19:01.19 | henk | owad: do they say it is forbidden (as in: have you spoken to them)? |
| 19:01.40 | owad | Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) |
| 19:01.40 | owad | server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera |
| 19:01.40 | owad | posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machinetomachine |
| 19:01.40 | owad | connections |
| 19:01.41 | owad | or peertopeer |
| 19:01.41 | owad | (P2P) file sharing; |
| 19:01.55 | owad | That's AT&T. T-Mobile essentially says the same thing |
| 19:02.15 | Dave | I say, do it anyway, and too bad if you get caught. |
| 19:02.23 | Dave | I really doubt they're going to cut your service. |
| 19:02.53 | Dave | They just don't want you to bog down on their already-shitty network. |
| 19:02.59 | Dave | s/on// |
| 19:03.06 | Dave | apt, you suck |
| 19:03.07 | apt | and very well I might add |
| 19:03.10 | Dave | ;D |
| 19:03.14 | owad | I doubt it too, but if there's a service that allows it, I'd rather pay far more for the assurance that my monitors stay up |
| 19:03.23 | Dave | owad, surely :) |
| 19:03.45 | Dave | How were you planning on doing this, over gprs? |
| 19:03.48 | parodyoflanguage | owad: Maybe you should contact both companies and see if you can get special permission. |
| 19:03.56 | henk | owad: that's why i asked, if you talked to them. perhaps they like your motivation and permit it to you or they have a special service. |
| 19:04.22 | Dave | yeah! |
| 19:04.28 | Dave | Dude hahahahahaa |
| 19:04.32 | Dave | This is a great scheme |
| 19:04.37 | Dave | if they don't take your service |
| 19:04.41 | parodyoflanguage | If they refuse you, forward their email to some of the larger environmental groups to see if they can put the pressure on them. |
| 19:04.45 | Dave | you can accuse them of hating the environment |
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| 19:04.59 | Dave | if necessary, write a letter, I'm sure you'll get a positive reply ;) |
| 19:05.26 | Dave | Companies now, more than ever, want to look environmentally friendly (e.g. going green), so telling them they're not, would be great. |
| 19:05.30 | Dave | whee |
| 19:05.40 | Dave | Although yeah, try just asking politely first :) |
| 19:05.53 | owad | I'll give it a try. I was hoping somebody might already know of an established program. |
| 19:06.07 | parodyoflanguage | If it is environment-related, maybe you can find the department within the respective company that focuses on "going green", if even only as a PR front, and contact them directly. |
| 19:06.16 | Dave | owad, you might try sprint |
| 19:06.25 | owad | openmoko works with sprint? |
| 19:06.31 | Dave | depending on where you live |
| 19:08.51 | Dave | Sprint supports some smaller gsm providers (I believe), but it would be through their data contract (which so far they seem to be rather friendly about). |
| 19:08.59 | Dave | It's just an idea, couldn't hurt to ask :) |
| 19:10.21 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4cc46683546e 10/framework/subsystems/onetworkd/sharing.py: onetworkd: s/logging/logger/ |
| 19:10.21 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1b0d581b3bb7 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.NetworkStatus() |
| 19:10.22 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4735afd9ef48 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.GetNetworkStatus() |
| 19:10.23 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8b4768c935f7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
| 19:10.25 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: start reworking ppp connection setup/shutdown |
| 19:10.27 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: WIP; it's broken atm. :D |
| 19:10.29 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r71e1807d068d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (abstract/mediator.py abstract/pdp.py ti_calypso/modem.py): ogsmd: ppp has a serious shutdown problem :/ working around it |
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| 19:12.44 | Dave | haha mickey |
| 19:12.47 | Dave | smooth |
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| 19:35.32 | LostInSpace | hey guys if anybody has a few sec to throw in some info i'd be highly appreciated!...Here goes I have and S3c2410 device that i've compiled kernels for (all of them boot but have issue detecting 1 built in USB HDD adapter) I know this because if have an external port for that built in usb controler that if i plug it to a pc it internally disconnects from the device and connects to the pc, when I unplug it from the PC I can see |
| 19:35.32 | LostInSpace | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.55 | LostInSpace | I know the device still works fine with an old 2.4.x kernel that came stock with the device |
| 19:36.29 | LostInSpace | and worse I can with my laptop using the same kernel version as on the smdk2410 plug this usb to hdd in my laptop and detect it fine...but not using the s3c2410 device! |
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| 19:46.24 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra14425e0f282 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:46.24 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: Device.idlenotifier: We don't need the C helpers anymore. Make idlenotifier a pure vala plugin |
| 19:46.24 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: Device.input : Shuffle some log levels around |
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| 20:07.45 | nee-oh | does SHR have useable images at the moment? |
| 20:08.03 | nee-oh | there are a whole bunch of files in the download sction from Dec 9th |
| 20:08.21 | nee-oh | which ones do i need/want/would you recommend? |
| 20:11.40 | Zorkman | nee-oh: if you want more info: ask it in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 20:12.15 | nee-oh | Zorkman: ok, i'll try |
| 20:12.18 | nee-oh | thx |
| 20:13.16 | slaxxin | get the 09 jffs2 file an a kernel |
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| 20:18.24 | Wonka | arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-gta01.c: In function âgta01_machine_initâ: |
| 20:18.24 | Wonka | arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-gta01.c:760: error: implicit declaration of function âs3c2410_pm_initâ |
| 20:18.27 | Wonka | *sigh* |
| 20:18.34 | Wonka | $ grep -r s3c2410_pm_init . |
| 20:18.34 | Wonka | ./arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-gta01.c:s3c2410_pm_init(); |
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| 20:24.17 | jbick | does anyone know how to issue AT commands to the gsm modem on the 2008.9 build? |
| 20:25.58 | mwester | jbick: I don't think you can, at least while the phone software stack is running. |
| 20:27.12 | jbick | mwester: thanks thats what I am worrying about. There is a program running in the background of Qtopia that issues them correct? |
| 20:30.20 | mwester | jbick: qpe |
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| 20:33.48 | Weiss | Wonka: are you on the latest version? |
| 20:38.08 | Dave | Hello Wonka |
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| 21:05.29 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8361ccfb7566 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: add parser for strange modems |
| 21:05.31 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0a4274c2ee05 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/pdp.py): |
| 21:05.31 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: pdp: release context at the end of shutting down ppp, so that |
| 21:05.31 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: the next ppp invocation will find the virtual channel in command mode |
| 21:05.32 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r93d20c6f52f7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (channel.py parser.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:05.35 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: channel/parser: fix an embarrasing bug in the low-level AT parser that |
| 21:05.37 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: has been here from day one. Basically we were always assuming that 'haveCommand' |
| 21:05.39 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: [which is used to decide whether a response is solicited or unsolicited] was |
| 21:05.41 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: vaild for the whole bunch of bytes that were fed to the parser. This is wrong! |
| 21:05.43 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: (Of course, since we may retrieve lots of lines in one row that can refer to |
| 21:05.45 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: a number of commands). This may also have been the cause for the hard lock upon |
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| 21:28.38 | owad | Suppose I have a python script that regularly sends an HTTP request. Does the freerunner automatically use 802.11 when it's available, or do I have to tell it to switch? |
| 21:28.56 | lindi- | owad: linux routing table works the same on your PC and freerunner |
| 21:29.16 | owad | thanks |
| 21:29.41 | owad | is the standard behavior to default to wi-fi? |
| 21:30.09 | lindi- | owad: i do not know any standard behavior |
| 21:32.50 | mwester | owad: that behavior would be dependent upon the particular software image you were using on the freerunner -- and none of the existing ones are mature enough to have really set any standards on such behavior. (Frankly, wifi doesn't really work yet with the images and kernels commonly available right now). |
| 21:33.03 | Wonka | Weiss: i had just done a "git pull" |
| 21:33.48 | owad | ok. I can get by with just gprs anyway |
| 21:34.44 | Weiss | Wonka: then you need to update your config, i think |
| 21:34.59 | owad | Is gps working? Is it relatively straight-forward to read data from it? |
| 21:35.14 | marius_ | read from it is strait forward |
| 21:35.21 | marius_ | if it's working.. |
| 21:36.36 | Wonka | Weiss: "make oldconfig" went through with no questions asked. also, as the grep output showed, "s3c2410_pm_init" occurs exactly once in the whole linux source tree - could it be that there really is no definition of that function? |
| 21:37.15 | Wonka | i mean, there should just not be any valid configuration (generated by "make oldconfig") that leads to errors like this one |
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| 21:38.32 | jonkristian | ouch, it annoys me that whenever i switch tag none of the windows in the tag i've switched to has focus, is there something i could add? like focus the last window on that tag? |
| 21:38.39 | jonkristian | crap, wrong chan |
| 21:38.49 | jonkristian | smacks forhead |
| 21:39.00 | GNUtoo | hello, ssh(dropbear) says: ssh: connection to root@router:222 exited: No auth methods could be used. |
| 21:39.36 | mwester | You broke it! |
| 21:41.29 | GNUtoo | realy...i just generated a key... |
| 21:41.57 | GNUtoo | I want to ssh from my freerunner to my router |
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| 21:54.12 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r52584bf18025 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: |
| 21:54.12 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] Apply reinit commands with a delay after resuming. |
| 21:54.12 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: This should give us a chance for draining the incoming buffers and lead |
| 21:54.12 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: to a faster and more reliable resume due to an incoming call. |
| 21:54.14 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: See the code comments for more details. |
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| 22:07.12 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r78fe48dffb92 10/configure-dev: Added configure-dev |
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| 22:25.15 | Sargun | man. |
| 22:26.12 | Zorkman | woman. |
| 22:27.01 | Tig| | badgers. |
| 22:30.26 | Wonka | damn. same stuff as above with jbt6k74_display_onoff - two calls, no definition. |
| 22:31.01 | balrog-kun | right.. who needs definitions |
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| 22:38.34 | MadTBone | has anyone here used Gentoo on OM? |
| 22:41.24 | balrog-kun | the folks in #gentoo-embedded probably tried it |
| 22:41.32 | balrog-kun | or was it ## |
| 22:41.53 | balrog-kun | i used gentoo as a build system for OM though |
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| 22:51.06 | MadTBone | balrog-kun: thanks |
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| 22:51.42 | badcloud | hello peoples |
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| 22:52.19 | badcloud | newbe quest: does all 1973 carriers 'carry over' into freerunner's? |
| 22:52.34 | badcloud | *do |
| 22:53.03 | MadTBone | Also, the "modules" downloads.... are they needed for full functionality? in other words, are the full functions of the device not compiled into the kernel? |
| 22:54.10 | uhsf | where to find screenshots from the new maemo 5? |
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| 23:36.18 | mokel | hiho, anybody knows whats up with mokopedia? i would like to install it but http://mokopedia.mister-muffin.de/ is down |
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| 23:40.05 | Zorkman | mokel |
| 23:40.11 | mokel | jo |
| 23:40.22 | Zorkman | they are now working on porting kiwix |
| 23:40.32 | Zorkman | starox_ is the man you want |
| 23:40.46 | Zorkman | you can find him here, or on #mokopedia or on #kiwix |
| 23:40.51 | Zorkman | he was hoping to port it by the end of the week |
| 23:40.57 | mokel | jeah |
| 23:41.00 | mokel | sounds cool |
| 23:41.05 | mokel | i like wikipedia on my phone |
| 23:41.12 | Zorkman | jup, looking forward to it for months |
| 23:41.13 | mokel | :) |
| 23:41.22 | mokel | i have it for my palm - i like it |
| 23:41.58 | Zorkman | no palm here |
| 23:42.05 | Zorkman | only "smart" phone i have is the freerunner |
| 23:43.03 | mokel | anyone uses minimo as browser? i have got the problem, when i try to type in an url which begins with the same character as one in the history i cannot type in the new adress. every new char deletes one in the address bar (really strange behaviour) |
| 23:43.06 | mokel | :) |
| 23:43.26 | Zorkman | haven't tried that |
| 23:43.35 | Zorkman | i only use bookmarked urls :) |
| 23:44.17 | mokel | mmh |
| 23:44.24 | mokel | its really annoying |
| 23:44.45 | mokel | because once you have visited e.g. google no more adresses with g... work |
| 23:48.26 | Zorkman | type the site in google and press the hyperlink... but thats not really a sollution |
| 23:49.13 | mokel | :) |
| 23:51.53 | mokel | bye everybody |
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