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| 00:33.35 | mrgarlic | hello! |
| 00:34.43 | mrgarlic | first day with freerunner. |
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| 00:37.11 | azaghal | mrgarlic: Don't use graphite pen to open the lids etc... |
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| 00:38.10 | lindi- | mrgarlic: make regular backups |
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| 00:40.26 | Dave | Hello Lindi |
| 00:44.38 | mrgarlic | i think it came with older OS |
| 00:44.43 | Dave | Yep |
| 00:44.47 | Dave | OLD |
| 00:44.47 | mrgarlic | there is no keyboard even in terminal |
| 00:44.50 | mrgarlic | lame |
| 00:44.53 | Dave | You noticed this :) |
| 00:45.12 | mrgarlic | just getting network connection set up that way ...... makes it a bitch |
| 00:45.28 | mrgarlic | April 24 2008 |
| 00:45.43 | Dave | :p |
| 00:45.55 | Dave | Welcome to Openmoko! |
| 00:46.00 | mrgarlic | so Dave how long have you been rocking the OpenMoko? |
| 00:46.54 | mrgarlic | i am using mac book pro. trying both terminal and ubuntu under parallels. |
| 00:47.44 | Dave | Quite some time now :) |
| 00:47.52 | Dave | (unfortunately) |
| 00:47.55 | mrgarlic | haha |
| 00:47.59 | Dave | Yeah :\ :P |
| 00:48.25 | mrgarlic | well i am going to be creeping on here asking lots of questions in the coming months. :) |
| 00:49.13 | mrgarlic | what are they thinking sending this out with such a lame out of the box experience? |
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| 00:50.54 | mrgarlic | so frequent backups is noted |
| 00:50.55 | Dave | There was NO thinking that took part in this... |
| 00:51.05 | mrgarlic | oh my. |
| 00:51.08 | Dave | which likely explains it :p |
| 00:51.12 | mrgarlic | then i should be right at home |
| 00:51.21 | mrgarlic | explains how i got into this as well |
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| 00:52.36 | mrgarlic | is anyone using OSX with their freerunner? |
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| 00:53.50 | mrgarlic | well atleast one of you 316 open-source-saps has to be jocking a mac book pro |
| 00:54.21 | Dave | hides |
| 00:54.25 | mrgarlic | haha |
| 00:56.37 | bricode | azaghal: I've had issues with that too, and somehow managed to fix it by flashing a new u-boot and image. |
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| 01:00.37 | Toaster` | I just installed omview onto 2008-testing and it works fine other then showing thumbnails or images. Anyone else ever run into this? |
| 01:04.48 | sicu | so the image-app works fine but does not show thumbnails or images ;p |
| 01:05.03 | Toaster` | sicu: pretty much :) |
| 01:05.24 | Toaster` | no errors, segfaults or the like, just no pictures. |
| 01:06.02 | Toaster` | I have a test folder with a jpg and a png in it, and nothing shows up. Are there limitations on the formats it can read? |
| 01:06.52 | sicu | having entered your test folder, try pressing on the grey background area and they should magically appear |
| 01:07.11 | sicu | i had some issues when i tried it last |
| 01:09.05 | Toaster` | sicu: are you refering to the main background? or the top bar? |
| 01:09.34 | sicu | main background of the app ... i think |
| 01:09.42 | sicu | 2 secs ... i will install it and see what i did |
| 01:14.10 | mrgarlic_ | hmmm. how can i type a ' from the default alpha-numeric interface? |
| 01:14.24 | sicu | hmm, dependancy issues ... sorry |
| 01:14.42 | sicu | ^ Toaster` |
| 01:16.01 | mrgarlic_ | i am trying to connect via bluetooth: pppd 115000 192.168.1.202:192.168.1.200 local defaultroute pty 'rfcomm connect 0 00:16:CB:2F:A0:46 1' |
| 01:16.26 | Dave | hehe |
| 01:17.01 | mrgarlic_ | seriously. the ' character is not available. |
| 01:17.16 | Toaster` | mrgarlic_: switch to the 3rd panel (slide you finger up) and it should be there |
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| 01:18.56 | Toaster` | sicu: what dependancy are you missing? |
| 01:18.57 | mrgarlic_ | toaster > all i get is alphanumeric |
| 01:19.31 | Toaster` | mrgarlic_: have you cycled through all the various panels? there should be four of them |
| 01:19.56 | mrgarlic_ | i have not. |
| 01:19.59 | mrgarlic_ | how do i do so |
| 01:20.06 | mrgarlic_ | forgive me i am noob. |
| 01:20.22 | Toaster` | np, slide your finger up on the screen |
| 01:20.27 | Toaster` | and check the \topic |
| 01:20.38 | Toaster` | err.. /topic |
| 01:20.38 | mrgarlic_ | sliding finger brings up alphanumeric |
| 01:20.43 | Toaster` | and do it again |
| 01:20.56 | mrgarlic_ | it types random letters |
| 01:21.34 | slaxxin | lol |
| 01:21.48 | slaxxin | just keep on typeing |
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| 01:22.40 | mrgarlic_ | i am serious |
| 01:23.07 | slaxxin | 2008.9? |
| 01:23.17 | mrgarlic_ | just out of box |
| 01:23.18 | mrgarlic_ | today |
| 01:23.21 | slaxxin | ooook |
| 01:23.25 | mrgarlic_ | old OS |
| 01:23.35 | mrgarlic_ | trying to make connection so i can update |
| 01:23.46 | Toaster` | mrgarlic_: if you repeat sliding you finger up, you'll switch between the various input panels |
| 01:23.50 | slaxxin | the wiki says u can install those missing characters |
| 01:23.56 | Toaster` | ahh |
| 01:24.05 | mrgarlic_ | i can install nothing with out making a connection |
| 01:24.11 | Toaster` | can you not connect via USB? |
| 01:24.24 | slaxxin | reboot once |
| 01:24.48 | mrgarlic_ | this OS is from april |
| 01:24.59 | slaxxin | it will work |
| 01:25.02 | mrgarlic_ | there is no other panel |
| 01:25.06 | slaxxin | ask Dave |
| 01:25.33 | slaxxin | i thought it was a multi-tap |
| 01:25.45 | Toaster` | oh, that keyboard |
| 01:26.30 | Toaster` | right, sorry mrgarlic_ I thought you had a qtopia kbd |
| 01:28.52 | mrgarlic_ | i first tried USB and it was not working right off so i thought that i would try the bluetooth |
| 01:30.39 | Toaster` | what issues where you having with usb? |
| 01:31.31 | mrgarlic_ | i am on mac book pro. |
| 01:31.52 | Toaster` | ahh, well I can't help too much there, sorry |
| 01:31.55 | mrgarlic_ | followed wiki ...... could not ping moki |
| 01:31.58 | mrgarlic_ | moko |
| 01:32.59 | mrgarlic_ | there is some documentation for mac. |
| 01:32.59 | Toaster` | are you getting a proper IP on your macbook usb host? |
| 01:33.29 | mrgarlic_ | i don't think so. i am seeing en2 and en3 but not sure if they are working right. |
| 01:34.39 | mrgarlic_ | anyways. maybe i should reboot into windows xp |
| 01:34.48 | mrgarlic_ | i have ubuntu through parallels as well |
| 01:35.33 | Toaster` | beyond my experience, sorry |
| 01:35.38 | mrgarlic_ | i know that ubuntu knows there is something there as ..... when i plugged it in responded. |
| 01:37.25 | mrgarlic_ | asked if it should be allowed to access device. but under networking it did not allow show any options for accessing it |
| 01:37.45 | d-b | mrgarlic_: it might be easier to get a livecd of some linux distro. |
| 01:37.53 | mrgarlic_ | good idea |
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| 01:41.40 | d-b | mrgarlic_: wait ? does parallels give ubuntu (the guest) the ability to use the usb of the host? |
| 01:41.52 | d-b | if that is working then just see the wiki on usb networking. |
| 01:42.00 | d-b | but you should be able to do it from the mac. |
| 01:42.07 | mrgarlic_ | yes, to some degree |
| 01:42.59 | Dave | So how's it going Mister Garlic? |
| 01:43.32 | mrgarlic_ | well i am about to relocate my geography to the home studio. |
| 01:43.43 | mrgarlic_ | but not much by way of advance. |
| 01:44.04 | mrgarlic_ | thinking i will revisit usb under mac as i download liveboot image |
| 01:44.14 | mrgarlic_ | when i get home |
| 01:45.00 | mrgarlic_ | i want to get multiboot off the sd card going asap |
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| 01:46.37 | mrgarlic_ | thanks folks. be back |
| 01:46.58 | Dave | :] |
| 01:47.01 | shanka | hi all |
| 01:47.02 | shanka | I was just playing around with the testing image |
| 01:47.02 | shanka | It appears that usb networking is broken |
| 01:47.08 | shanka | does anyone else have the same issue |
| 01:47.37 | shanka | I'm not able to ping 192.168.0.202 (returns with host unreachable) |
| 01:49.59 | shanka | I'm using the 20081208 image |
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| 02:33.14 | Toaster` | shanka: I was having similar issues. I rebooted both my phone and my computer (network manager on Ubuntu is currently rather broken) and it started to work. |
| 02:34.07 | Toaster` | has anyone been able to get a current fennec installed? |
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| 02:55.55 | slaxxin | Slax |
| 02:56.05 | slaxxin | IS the live cd |
| 02:56.28 | slaxxin | slim an trim just like we like it |
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| 03:13.02 | mrgarlic | mr garlic returns with tidings of joy and a hopes of an open and ubiquitous world. |
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| 03:49.13 | mrgarlic | slim and trim is not my style |
| 03:49.25 | mrgarlic | more is more |
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| 04:03.34 | slaxxin | knoppix games for u |
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| 04:09.52 | mrgarlic | i love the om |
| 04:10.28 | slaxxin | omm |
| 04:10.40 | slaxxin | ommmmmm |
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| 04:12.49 | KenYoung | I just bought my third OM phone. I think that makes me a fanboy. |
| 04:15.20 | Dave | Hi Ken! |
| 04:15.25 | Dave | I'd say so :) |
| 04:15.30 | Dave | or really really crazy 8) |
| 04:15.48 | KenYoung | One doesn't preclude the other. |
| 04:15.55 | Dave | :D |
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| 04:30.56 | sicu | i wonder what that makes Dave...? if three makes you a fanboy |
| 04:31.52 | KenYoung | How many does Dave have? |
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| 05:01.47 | tomer | can't i just flash with usual filesystem/kernel routine? |
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| 06:54.10 | gecco | goodmorning |
| 06:54.29 | beni | morning |
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| 08:13.44 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:14.03 | rooly | you know what sucks...all the good developement software thats free and useful |
| 08:14.05 | rooly | all stuck to linux |
| 08:14.40 | henk | rooly: it is? |
| 08:14.50 | rooly | pretty much |
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| 08:15.16 | rooly | umbrello, kdevelop, autotools, all that stuff |
| 08:15.32 | henk | and why does that suck? i mean: is there another operating system out there you would want to develop something on? |
| 08:15.44 | rooly | well...i'm kinda using windows atm |
| 08:15.59 | henk | oh, i'm sorry! |
| 08:16.11 | rooly | don't remind me |
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| 08:59.28 | trupheenix | how do i disable the openmoko virtual keyboard in my applicatioN? |
| 08:59.45 | trupheenix | i'm trying to use Om2007 |
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| 09:00.28 | henk | trupheenix: you shouldn't. that's not developed anymore... |
| 09:01.07 | trupheenix | henk: ok... i have no choice at the moment. i want to try out something and the annoying matchbox keyboard keeps coming up |
| 09:01.16 | trupheenix | henk: how do i disable it? |
| 09:01.36 | henk | trupheenix: i don't know, sorry. have never used Om2007.2 |
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| 09:04.15 | trupheenix | henk: it was easy i just had to remove the multitap package |
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| 09:06.42 | Kred | Dismissed? |
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| 09:21.27 | d-b | trupheenix: see hackable1 |
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| 10:11.36 | bapt | Hi is there anyone who manage to use dfu-util on freebsd ? |
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| 10:14.00 | xMDKx | morning |
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| 10:35.09 | trupheenix | d-b what u mean? |
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| 11:11.15 | cvwillegen | Did anyone have any succes using a BlueTooth keyboard on 2008.8 with FDOM? |
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| 11:14.28 | drjnut | hi! |
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| 11:14.50 | drjnut | anyone tried to use de framebuffer on the freerunner? |
| 11:15.21 | drjnut | I got 13-15fps only for cleaning the screen (memset 0 of the buffer) |
| 11:15.46 | drjnut | anyone got better? |
| 11:16.21 | drjnut | I haven't tried X yet and would like to know if I can get better perf there.. |
| 11:17.09 | SpeedEvil | And htere lies a tale. |
| 11:17.16 | SpeedEvil | Maybe. |
| 11:17.23 | SpeedEvil | You know about the glamo? |
| 11:17.42 | Tig| | not the g word! |
| 11:17.44 | drjnut | I've read some stories about it, yes |
| 11:18.08 | SpeedEvil | drjnut: that's basically it |
| 11:18.19 | drjnut | I know about the "We can't do GL at 480x640" |
| 11:18.20 | drjnut | ok |
| 11:18.27 | SpeedEvil | drjnut: the video bus on the glamo is about the same speed as an ISA video card. |
| 11:18.33 | drjnut | ... |
| 11:18.33 | SpeedEvil | (a 16 bit one) |
| 11:18.38 | drjnut | oOps |
| 11:18.40 | drjnut | ok |
| 11:19.00 | SpeedEvil | It was specified without full knowledge of the implications of all of the specs. |
| 11:19.05 | SpeedEvil | the spec list looks nice. |
| 11:19.16 | drjnut | so we'll have a 4x increase by doing 240*320, right? |
| 11:19.26 | SpeedEvil | but the full datasheet has lots of exclusions. |
| 11:19.26 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:19.34 | drjnut | I've read the specs on the constructor site |
| 11:19.45 | drjnut | and yes, it looked promising at first sight |
| 11:19.48 | cvwillegen | OpenMoko was lied to, in short. |
| 11:20.13 | drjnut | yeah, that's really bad behavior from the glamo guys |
| 11:20.45 | drjnut | How bad does it look at 240*320? Maybe it's the way to go... |
| 11:21.05 | igor321 | i read on the ML that everyone can see the glamo docs now |
| 11:21.08 | drjnut | switching to VGA when displaying hires imgs |
| 11:21.16 | igor321 | if they sign the nda ofcourse |
| 11:21.21 | drjnut | :-) |
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| 11:21.48 | drjnut | i've read something about somebodys trying to get a GL driver? |
| 11:21.50 | igor321 | dr |
| 11:22.15 | igor321 | naaah, just drop to qvga for games, vga is fast enough for gui |
| 11:22.21 | igor321 | have you seen the testing images? |
| 11:22.25 | igor321 | kinda fast |
| 11:22.35 | drjnut | I've tested some distribs |
| 11:22.36 | igor321 | and with the new kernel the glamo bus is overclocked |
| 11:22.41 | drjnut | ok |
| 11:22.43 | igor321 | so it will be even faster |
| 11:22.52 | SpeedEvil | drjnut: QVGA is completely adequate for 90% of use. |
| 11:22.56 | drjnut | I need to try it |
| 11:23.24 | SpeedEvil | drjnut: It's 140DPI - which is significantly better than the 100dpi of the screen you're using ATM (probably) |
| 11:23.29 | drjnut | SpeedEvil, I'll have a look at it if I can grab a fb.modes |
| 11:23.57 | drjnut | yup.. ;) |
| 11:24.27 | SpeedEvil | It is definately not as sharp if the display is closer than 30cm or so |
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| 11:30.18 | drjnut | SpeedEvil, 40fps for memset at 240x320! |
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| 11:30.40 | SpeedEvil | 40fps@100%CPU |
| 11:30.48 | SpeedEvil | seill - 20FPS at 50% isn't too bad |
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| 11:32.16 | valos[fr] | igor321: which new kernel is overclocked? you speak about andy kernel + qi ? |
| 11:32.26 | igor321 | valos[fr]: yupp |
| 11:32.30 | drjnut | SpeedEvil, yup |
| 11:32.41 | igor321 | it gave me an 60 percent increase in fps |
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| 11:33.10 | drjnut | SpeedEvil, and I just have to expect high cpu usage when doing scrolling or panning things |
| 11:33.12 | igor321 | and that was on shr, the testing images are much faster |
| 11:33.36 | drjnut | uses fso testing console for his tests |
| 11:33.56 | Daramarak | That sounds amazing, any clue how bad this overclocking is for the FR? |
| 11:35.20 | lindi- | fast software opengl would be niec |
| 11:35.37 | lindi- | i can barely play xmoto on my 2.4 GHz pentium |
| 11:35.50 | igor321 | Daramarak: dunno it was pretty stable for me, and the commit of that patch also says the same |
| 11:36.14 | igor321 | i'm trying the openGL test with the spinning cube on the testing images now |
| 11:37.48 | igor321 | won't start |
| 11:37.58 | igor321 | "Couldn't set GL mode: No video mode large enough for 640x480" |
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| 11:38.19 | igor321 | anyways it gave me 9 fps on SHR, 14 with the new kernel |
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| 11:38.31 | igor321 | and testing is a _lot_ faster than shr for me |
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| 11:39.12 | drjnut | SpeedEvil, I forgot to throw away the usleep, I got 60fps at 240x320 on the memset test |
| 11:40.08 | drjnut | and memcpy is at 54fps, which is good |
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| 11:44.52 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - full 3D rendering including fog and motion blur should be doable at 45fps or so. |
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| 14:00.22 | kebomix | Free Programming e-books With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here : http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ |
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| 14:09.58 | kebomix | Free Programming e-books With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here : http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ |
| 14:11.11 | henk | kebomix: stop advertising please... |
| 14:11.25 | henk | especially in that high frequency |
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| 14:14.25 | Car | Hi there |
| 14:14.42 | henk | hi |
| 14:14.44 | Car | I know it's probably going to get a biased answer, due to the channel I'm asking in |
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| 14:15.20 | Car | Would Qtopia or Openmoko be better off for production use of my phone? |
| 14:15.32 | Dave | hah |
| 14:15.39 | Dave | qtx, most likely |
| 14:15.56 | Car | I shall be using both, and developing applications for the Openmoko platform, but I was just wondering |
| 14:16.12 | Car | and it's funny, the first nick I tried to change to upon joining freenode was Dave, only it was already in use :P |
| 14:16.21 | henk | Car: have you read the distributions page in the wiki? |
| 14:16.22 | igor321 | the testin images ain't too bad and they use qtopia for telephony |
| 14:16.51 | Car | I might have missed it - I believe a few months ago, or last year, Qtopia was obviously wiser to use than Om2007.x |
| 14:17.06 | henk | Car: wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 14:17.08 | Sjano | Hello, i wonder.. does openmoko need much cpu, ram and such to run? (since i think android needs like 200-250 mhz from what i've red) was thinking about porting to a phone that doesn't have that strong of a cpu (sciphone i68+, it uses an Mediatek MT6225 processor (ARM7 core) processor, which i think is only around 100-150 mhz or something) |
| 14:17.17 | Car | thanks henk |
| 14:17.20 | Car | I'll have a look |
| 14:17.28 | henk | Car: there is a section 'About distributions' with one paragraph 'Which distribution should i use?' |
| 14:17.41 | jonkristian | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html |
| 14:17.50 | Car | that page is new to me... |
| 14:17.56 | henk | jonkristian: hehe, read that some minutes ago as well :) |
| 14:17.59 | Car | interesting, alternate distributions, completely |
| 14:18.03 | Car | there's even Debian, heh |
| 14:18.12 | Dave | jonkristian :D |
| 14:18.29 | igor321 | Sjano: what resolution screen? |
| 14:18.45 | jonkristian | henk: It's quite interesting |
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| 14:19.19 | jonkristian | Shows just how narrowed minded people really are. What really shocks me is that it's a teacher. |
| 14:19.20 | Sjano | igor321: 320x240 resolution |
| 14:19.50 | igor321 | Sjano: then it could work, why not |
| 14:20.00 | henk | jonkristian: i guess teachers can't shock me anymore. i've had to go to the 'berufsschule' (school for apprentices) the last 2.5 years and it was horrible! |
| 14:20.03 | Car | jonkristian, read that this morning |
| 14:20.05 | igor321 | Sjano: gta01 was 233 mhz and vga |
| 14:20.13 | Car | it's been spread about the place like wildfire, I loved reading it |
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| 14:22.14 | jonkristian | Yes, it's an important piece of reading too |
| 14:22.16 | Sjano | igor321: nice, First i have to figure out a way to get to the firmware already in it and such :) |
| 14:22.48 | Car | so, by the looks of it, FDOM is what I'm after |
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| 14:24.51 | Car | also, how do I find out what version of GTA02 I have? |
| 14:24.56 | henk | Car: i don't like fdom. i'd rather take a recent Om2008.9 and add the applications and fixes from fdom that you _know_ you need by hand. some applications in fdom don't really work for me and it isn't really more stable than om2008.9 imho. |
| 14:25.10 | Car | I see |
| 14:25.16 | Dave | jonkristian, that teacher is probably a christian. |
| 14:25.45 | Dave | She probably has a Windows Genuine Jesus Fish on her Vista laptop too. |
| 14:26.17 | Car | :D |
| 14:26.20 | Fragggy_ | One short question. The newest FSO Testing image I can finde is from 14.Nov. Did I look in the wrong place or is this Image the latest? |
| 14:27.43 | jonkristian | Dave: ;D |
| 14:28.42 | CM_work | Fragggy_: Give SHR a try :) |
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| 14:29.47 | mjr | Dave, yet she hasn't learned anything about that fish (and bread) thing, it seems |
| 14:29.58 | mjr | sharing is caring <3 |
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| 14:32.59 | Dave | They certainly know how to start a flamewar :) |
| 14:33.03 | Dave | holywar |
| 14:33.13 | Dave | mjr :P |
| 14:33.37 | Dave | cM_work, yes, just like in that post... convert the heathens! >:] |
| 14:35.19 | CM_work | Hehe, always |
| 14:35.47 | CM_work | adds that vim is the best $EDITOR |
| 14:37.39 | zash | CM_work: +1 |
| 14:37.40 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 14:40.20 | zash | 6~3$ echo $EDITOR |
| 14:40.20 | zash | /usr/bin/vim |
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| 15:17.36 | GNUtoo | hello,I want to re-try to use the openmoko as a phone now that: 1)the optimization team has finished their work 2)manual suspend work...but i've some questions: |
| 15:18.10 | GNUtoo | 1)does the phone always comes out of suspend when a call arrives? |
| 15:18.34 | lindi- | GNUtoo: yeah |
| 15:18.47 | lindi- | GNUtoo: you just need to say the right things to the GSM chip |
| 15:19.27 | GNUtoo | WOW!!! 2)what images can I use to get all theses fixes (note the s at images) |
| 15:19.41 | lindi- | GNUtoo: i dislike the notion of images :) |
| 15:20.39 | GNUtoo | yes,but there are several kind of images such as SHR,fso-testing,base-image,X-qtopia based(like 2008.9) |
| 15:20.53 | GNUtoo | and they don't have all the same repo... |
| 15:21.20 | lindi- | GNUtoo: i still dislike "somebody else builds the image for you and you just flash it" as the development model ;) |
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| 15:21.59 | GNUtoo | lindi-, ok...i've built my own images if you want...but I had some problems: |
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| 15:22.27 | GNUtoo | I don't know what's the best aproach for adding software to my own images...because sometimes things don't compile... |
| 15:22.49 | lindi- | GNUtoo: i dislike packages that don't compile too :) |
| 15:22.57 | GNUtoo | using oe.dev? using angstrom?(oe.stable) or using a kind of MokoMakefile? |
| 15:23.26 | lindi- | GNUtoo: any packages that don't compile are a problem |
| 15:23.37 | GNUtoo | and I've a fix for wesnoth...for making it build with openmoko's distro(boost 1.33.1) |
| 15:23.40 | lindi- | GNUtoo: but seriously, the big issue of reliability has been #1024 |
| 15:24.13 | GNUtoo | lindi-, yes...as i never used it as a phone before I didn't have the issue...but i had suspend issues... |
| 15:24.29 | lindi- | GNUtoo: but #1024 can be "suspend" issue |
| 15:24.43 | lindi- | GNUtoo: if you suffer from #1024 your phone might not wake on incoming call |
| 15:25.01 | GNUtoo | ah ok...because he's not registered to the network? |
| 15:25.15 | lindi- | yes |
| 15:25.55 | GNUtoo | ok,and the fix will come with another modem firmware? |
| 15:26.01 | lindi- | GNUtoo: i do not know |
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| 15:26.04 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 15:26.04 | lindi- | GNUtoo: but the workaround works |
| 15:26.48 | GNUtoo | but they are software fixes for 1024 if i remember well such as desactivating things... |
| 15:27.01 | GNUtoo | in fso at least(if i remember well) |
| 15:28.41 | lindi- | GNUtoo: yes |
| 15:28.56 | GNUtoo | ah foud it: disabling the deep sleep |
| 15:29.03 | lindi- | it's right there in #1024 |
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| 15:32.17 | AntonTakk | GNUtoo: i had a fair experience with fso ms 4.1 and three one line edits to zhone |
| 15:32.49 | GNUtoo | AntonTakk, ok...what did you fix in zhone? |
| 15:33.05 | AntonTakk | granted some of the (imho) cooler packages don't work on fso cause they aren't written to use the framework (orrery, for example) |
| 15:33.13 | AntonTakk | GNUtoo: one sec |
| 15:33.58 | GNUtoo | AntonTakk, ok thanks a lot |
| 15:34.09 | AntonTakk | GNUtoo: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/attachment/ticket/258/zhone_2008-11-26.diff |
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| 15:34.54 | GNUtoo | AntonTakk, ok thanks a lot |
| 15:35.05 | AntonTakk | GNUtoo: np. |
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| 15:37.12 | GNUtoo | lindi-, mabe i'll rebuild a newer image...for having FSO and illume from SHR(i loved the new switching-app system, top bar etc...)...but I've not decided yet which distro I should use: angstrom that makes illume,prboom,fennec,etc...segfault because of a libX11 problem...or the openmoko distro that has less package |
| 15:37.22 | GNUtoo | s/package/packages/ |
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| 15:43.18 | AntonTakk | GNUtoo: also, gprs worked with the scripts available on the wiki, if your plan has data you might want to set that up |
| 15:44.24 | GNUtoo | AntonTakk, i have a sim card that has gprs enabled but i don't think i can phone with it...so...i have to choose between gprs(need firmware update because of 3g sim card) and phone... |
| 15:44.43 | AntonTakk | ah, ok |
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| 15:48.01 | GNUtoo | lindi-, by the way why don't you like compiled images...because they are not compiled by trusted people? |
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| 15:56.15 | lindi- | GNUtoo: because it makes upgrading hard |
| 15:56.32 | GNUtoo | lindi-, ah ok |
| 15:56.53 | lindi- | GNUtoo: and it makes it more difficult to take part in development since the "images don't compile" often |
| 15:57.04 | GNUtoo | you means that you have to reflash an images each time |
| 15:57.08 | lindi- | GNUtoo: if you have smaller packages then you can cope with one package not compiling on one day |
| 15:57.26 | lindi- | GNUtoo: and what about personal data? what if you want to use packages from more than one source? or have private packages |
| 15:57.38 | GNUtoo | ah ok... |
| 15:57.39 | sleipnir | lindi-: what 'distribution' do you use? |
| 15:57.42 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
| 15:57.45 | lindi- | sleipnir: debian at the moment |
| 15:57.58 | lindi- | GNUtoo: even opkg probably should support upgrades |
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| 15:59.22 | GNUtoo | lindi-, is it possible to adapt debian to the freerunner? (that is to say make repos that have more priority over the armel repos ) in order to have adapted packages(for instance to have mplayer uses tremor and mad and make wesnoth use the tinygui)? |
| 16:00.17 | Defiant-_ | GNUtoo: man apt_preferences |
| 16:00.33 | GNUtoo | Defiant-_, ok thanks |
| 16:01.03 | sleipnir | lindi-: I'm currently 'using' (in the sense of developing ;-)) Gentoo |
| 16:01.36 | sleipnir | what is a nice phoneui based on the framework and efl? |
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| 16:02.30 | GNUtoo | sleipnir, i use gentoo too but it has an enormous drawback...you can't block non-free dependencies... |
| 16:02.40 | GNUtoo | sleipnir, with portage |
| 16:02.53 | Wonka | wtf? http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html |
| 16:03.00 | sleipnir | GNUtoo: define non-free dependencies |
| 16:03.20 | GNUtoo | sleipnir, a dependency that is not free software(== opensource) |
| 16:03.36 | sleipnir | you can... one moment plz |
| 16:03.59 | GNUtoo | yes with paluis |
| 16:04.06 | GNUtoo | s/paluis/paludis |
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| 16:04.28 | GNUtoo | but I bet there is no selinux policies for paludis |
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| 16:04.45 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 16:05.03 | CVirus | Wonka: retards |
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| 16:05.57 | sleipnir | GNUtoo: take a look here http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/app-emulation/virtualbox-ose-additions/virtualbox-ose-additions-1.6.6.ebuild?view=markup |
| 16:06.23 | sleipnir | GNUtoo: especially the RESTRICT="fetch" line |
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| 16:06.38 | GNUtoo | sleipnir, what about deps like xv |
| 16:06.44 | sleipnir | GNUtoo: it's evaluated by portage |
| 16:06.46 | GNUtoo | ok |
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| 16:07.09 | GNUtoo | i had xv(a picture viewer) installed on my system as a dependency |
| 16:07.32 | azaghal | Anyone else thinks that FBReader on Debian is a bit untweaked for screen size of Neo? |
| 16:07.38 | lindi- | GNUtoo: xv is not free :/ |
| 16:07.47 | lindi- | GNUtoo: the goal is to have the fixes in debian proper |
| 16:08.10 | GNUtoo | lindi-, that's the problem...i got it installed as a dep in gentoo!!! |
| 16:08.26 | lindi- | sleipnir: that does not work since license terms of ebuilds are not verified well |
| 16:08.53 | lindi- | sleipnir: for example slime was tagged as "GPLv2" but had files with different licenses too |
| 16:08.57 | sleipnir | GNUtoo, lindi-: I see your point |
| 16:09.16 | lindi- | sleipnir: it's not a technical problem |
| 16:10.12 | sleipnir | would be cool if you could place a USE_LICENSE="-$younameit" in your make.conf |
| 16:10.15 | dent | Wonka: that's pretty hard core... if it's real :) |
| 16:10.23 | GNUtoo | lindi-, i think i heard this somewhere else...lol(that free software is not a technical problem...)...in a talk from stallman...lol |
| 16:10.35 | lindi- | sleipnir: debian is working on machine readable copyright files |
| 16:11.12 | lindi- | sleipnir: but it still requires that every maintainer does some work and checks the licensing terms of all files |
| 16:11.27 | lindi- | sleipnir: just trusting what upstream says unfortunately does not do :( |
| 16:11.27 | sleipnir | lindi-: I love gentoo's concept of beeing a source distri |
| 16:11.37 | lindi- | sleipnir: i apt-get --build source regularly |
| 16:11.46 | GNUtoo | the problem is that portage architecture make it hard to add features...and that's a planed feature(the license blocks) ...at least they told me so |
| 16:11.56 | GNUtoo | but it was long time ago |
| 16:11.58 | lindi- | sleipnir: and love the fact that i am guaranteed to be able to compile every piece of software i use from source |
| 16:12.17 | lindi- | sleipnir: in gentoo i might get stuff i can't compile accidentally |
| 16:12.45 | lindi- | sleipnir: (think java proprietary bytecode inside an upstream jar file) |
| 16:12.50 | sleipnir | lindi-: so what's the difference to gentoo? (except that you have to trust the ebuild maintainer) |
| 16:12.53 | Defiant-_ | I love a distro where I _don't have to_ compile everything from source ;) |
| 16:12.54 | lindi- | sleipnir: priorities |
| 16:13.08 | lindi- | sleipnir: the difference is simply on what you value |
| 16:13.24 | lindi- | sleipnir: since you have limited time you can't do everything |
| 16:14.05 | lindi- | GNUtoo: machine readable licensing information is only a technical measure, it does not work if everyone is not checking the data already |
| 16:14.37 | GNUtoo | lindi-, ok |
| 16:14.55 | GNUtoo | lindi-, like the opengl problem |
| 16:15.02 | lindi- | for example yes |
| 16:16.26 | lindi- | sleipnir: of course this is a tradeoff. it took almost a year to get mplayer license issues checked |
| 16:16.43 | lindi- | sleipnir: and icedtea (openjdk) too also quite long since it is a really large codebase |
| 16:19.57 | sleipnir | lindi-: I agree in that restricting licenses is a 'must have |
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| 16:23.49 | Weiss | GNUtoo: opengl problem? |
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| 16:24.36 | GNUtoo | http://www.fsf.org/news/thank-you-sgi |
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| 16:28.04 | Pyrasi | does anyone know...does enlightenment have an official debian package yet? Or should i still just manually install it from the git? |
| 16:30.31 | alephnull | $ apt-cache search enlightenment | wc -l |
| 16:30.32 | alephnull | 46 |
| 16:33.06 | valos[fr] | Pyrasi: e17 is in experimental |
| 16:33.27 | sleipnir | CU |
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| 17:05.42 | GNUtoo | hello, i'm trying to patch zhone and i |
| 17:05.48 | GNUtoo | 've got: patch: bad src file |
| 17:06.02 | GNUtoo | the patch is at: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/attachment/ticket/258/zhone_2008-11-26.diff |
| 17:07.23 | GNUtoo | or mabe i should do it manually? |
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| 17:13.57 | GNUtoo | done manually |
| 17:15.45 | Dave | Mootoo |
| 17:16.13 | Tig| | 'ning mr Dave |
| 17:17.52 | Dave | Greetings, Mr. Tig |
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| 17:18.25 | Tig| | I have lost my FR :( |
| 17:18.34 | nio_ | :/ |
| 17:18.46 | nio_ | Did you leave it on? |
| 17:18.46 | Tig| | moved house and it is in a box somewhere |
| 17:18.53 | nio_ | ah |
| 17:18.56 | nio_ | phone it |
| 17:19.10 | Tig| | not currently got a sim in it |
| 17:19.22 | nio_ | hmmz |
| 17:19.29 | Tig| | it will turn up |
| 17:19.34 | nio_ | left bluetooth discoverable? |
| 17:19.35 | Tig| | it is not that small :P |
| 17:19.44 | Tig| | It will be out of battery by now |
| 17:19.44 | sicu | you should've left openmoocow active |
| 17:19.55 | sicu | just turn all the boxes upside down and wait for the moo |
| 17:20.08 | sicu | battery :/ |
| 17:20.09 | Weiss | :) |
| 17:20.11 | Tig| | sicu, damn! it is installed too :) |
| 17:20.30 | Dave | Tig :X |
| 17:20.39 | Dave | sicu :D |
| 17:20.50 | sicu | Dave =] |
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| 17:21.38 | nio_ | sounds like a great app :) apart from turning boxes upside down..) |
| 17:21.44 | GNUtoo | can you ping it? |
| 17:22.09 | Dave | Can you moo it? |
| 17:22.37 | Tig| | GNUtoo, not got my ADSL installed yet so wifi is not up even if it was it would be my old AP it would be associated with :) |
| 17:22.49 | Dave | caught SIGMOO |
| 17:22.53 | nio_ | :') |
| 17:23.26 | Tig| | hmm when i do find it I might use the moo as the sms alert :) |
| 17:23.39 | sicu | nio_: hehe, yeh, that way you'd find the boxes containing your china as well ;p |
| 17:24.32 | sicu | Tig|: haha, i had that for a few days, until my gf held me at knife-point and forced me to change it |
| 17:24.55 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 17:25.18 | Tig| | sicu, did you have the FSO/SHR ringtone? |
| 17:25.22 | Tig| | aswell |
| 17:25.38 | Dave | O_O |
| 17:25.45 | sicu | well ... that one is truly annoying |
| 17:25.59 | Dave | MoooOoooOOooOOooOOoOOooOOooOooooOoooooo - You've got mail! |
| 17:26.16 | Tig| | Mooail? |
| 17:26.23 | sicu | =p |
| 17:26.27 | Dave | ;\ |
| 17:26.35 | nio_ | gmoo.google.com |
| 17:26.42 | Dave | gmoo? |
| 17:26.46 | Dave | It's like the anti gnu? |
| 17:26.54 | Dave | but a cow masscot? |
| 17:27.07 | Dave | the G is silent - heh heh |
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| 17:28.04 | Tig| | Dave, use larry the cow from gentoo :) |
| 17:28.17 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 17:28.28 | Dave | MOOd |
| 17:28.31 | Dave | haha omood |
| 17:28.39 | Dave | fuck fso |
| 17:29.16 | Tig| | would omood lighting be white light with black shadows everywhere? |
| 17:29.48 | nio_ | more amber I think |
| 17:29.52 | nio_ | oh |
| 17:29.55 | nio_ | nvm |
| 17:29.57 | nio_ | :') |
| 17:30.16 | Tig| | was going to ask.... it could be a jersey cow I suppose |
| 17:30.25 | Dave | jersey cow? |
| 17:30.42 | Tig| | or gurnsey or what ever they are called |
| 17:30.47 | Dave | brown moo cow? |
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| 17:30.59 | Weiss | the latest OpenMooCow will have improved cow graphics from www.openclipart.org |
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| 17:31.09 | Tig| | ah that is the technical name for them then :) |
| 17:31.14 | Tig| | Weiss, yay! |
| 17:31.28 | Dave | More like from my tablet! ;D |
| 17:31.31 | Weiss | the original one was my "programmer art" at its finest.. |
| 17:31.41 | Weiss | i really can't draw to save my life |
| 17:31.44 | Dave | Weiss, I'll send you graphics. |
| 17:31.49 | Dave | I'll save your life :) |
| 17:31.53 | Dave | I make cute moocow graphics! |
| 17:31.56 | Weiss | :P |
| 17:32.06 | Dave | møøøøøøø |
| 17:32.32 | Tig| | could the cow fall to the bottom of the screen when the FR is inverted waggling it's little legs? |
| 17:32.52 | SpeedEvil | Cow Tipping! |
| 17:32.58 | Tig| | then spring upright when it reaches the bottom |
| 17:33.06 | Weiss | hehe, that could be fun.. |
| 17:33.29 | Tig| | SpeedEvil, cow tipping with the accelerometers on the Z axis |
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| 17:33.40 | Dave | :D |
| 17:33.41 | Tig| | so you put the FR down and the cow falls over? :) |
| 17:33.42 | Dave | *tip* |
| 17:33.45 | Weiss | the one i've got at the moment is this: http://openclipart.org/media/files/bsantos/6933 - if anyone has anything better feel free to send them :) (GPL-compatible licence required) |
| 17:33.52 | Dave | haha, that's what already happens, Tig! :D |
| 17:34.11 | nio_ | was just about to say that :) |
| 17:34.19 | Tig| | I will have to find my FR then as never tried that |
| 17:34.41 | nio_ | take a photo of a cow, now lay it flat, voila! |
| 17:34.44 | nio_ | tipped |
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| 17:36.31 | Kero | lindi-: only saw your email today; I hope to reply in more detail later tonight, but in general the answer is "yes" |
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| 17:38.25 | Dave | http://www.sunay.com/images/werd.jpg |
| 17:38.56 | MadTBone | Is there a good place for extensive info on SHR? |
| 17:40.06 | Dave | http://shr.bearstech.com/trac ? |
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| 17:42.06 | lindi- | Kero: to which question? ;) |
| 17:42.18 | lindi- | Kero: gsm emulator? |
| 17:42.45 | Kero | yeah |
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| 17:43.15 | lindi- | Kero: if we could include all the quirks of calypso chip it would be neat :) |
| 17:43.25 | MadTBone | Dave: thanks |
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| 17:48.03 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra929fa1e77ff 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix typo spotted by thseiler -- thanks. |
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| 18:12.01 | SpeedEvil | Does GTA04 exist anymore? |
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| 18:12.27 | SpeedEvil | Or was GTA03 nuked, and all the stuff concieved for 4 is going into 3? |
| 18:12.45 | XorA | SpeedEvil: all changwe |
| 18:13.04 | SpeedEvil | Are there concrete plans for 4? |
| 18:13.15 | mickeyl | plans in Taipei are constantly in flux. The office is like a wormhole |
| 18:13.24 | SpeedEvil | Or is 4 just sometime in the future. |
| 18:13.50 | mickeyl | don't count on 4 before 2010 |
| 18:14.05 | SpeedEvil | regrets he's not counting on 3 before then. |
| 18:14.17 | mickeyl | 3 is vital for this company |
| 18:14.20 | SpeedEvil | may be a pessimist. |
| 18:14.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:14.27 | mickeyl | last chance to convince |
| 18:14.45 | baze | hopefully 3 won't take too long |
| 18:14.47 | SpeedEvil | Though to be a nay-sayer - 2 is plenty good enough - it's the software. |
| 18:15.06 | SpeedEvil | (In that I haven't seen any fundamentally unfixable hardware issues) |
| 18:15.08 | mickeyl | sure, 2 is almost ok and by mid09 it will be fine |
| 18:15.13 | mickeyl | either with SHR or with OM09 or both |
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| 18:16.53 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: is there a current evaluation board? |
| 18:17.40 | mickeyl | yes |
| 18:17.42 | mickeyl | two |
| 18:17.45 | SpeedEvil | should probably read the MLs. |
| 18:17.47 | mickeyl | both in Taipei |
| 18:17.53 | mickeyl | the other ones were fried |
| 18:17.55 | mickeyl | chuckles |
| 18:18.00 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 18:18.18 | SpeedEvil | phone-shaped? Or just functional? |
| 18:19.31 | mickeyl | no idea, there went in after i fly back |
| 18:19.32 | mickeyl | flew |
| 18:19.39 | mickeyl | argh, my grammar |
| 18:19.45 | mickeyl | they _went_ in after I flew back |
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| 18:20.42 | SpeedEvil | crosses fingers for early-functional GTA03 release. |
| 18:20.50 | Dave | What? Where? |
| 18:21.00 | SpeedEvil | Dave: when is the question :) |
| 18:21.15 | Dave | pfft |
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| 18:21.30 | Dave | So what IS the deal? What's with the gta03 <-> gta04 relationship |
| 18:21.53 | Dave | Is there a conspiracy? WERE the bodies swapped? is the coverup!? |
| 18:21.57 | Dave | is there a coverup |
| 18:22.09 | SpeedEvil | covers dave up. |
| 18:22.15 | CVirus | lol |
| 18:22.18 | Dave | Hey, but I'm not dead yet! |
| 18:22.32 | baze | nobody knows that for sure |
| 18:22.34 | SpeedEvil | Dave: permeable concrete is wonderful for that. |
| 18:22.44 | Dave | BRAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNSSSSSSS |
| 18:22.56 | SpeedEvil | Dave: all the security advantages of concrete, but your victim can still breathe. |
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| 18:37.07 | kamathln | hi has anybody made anything usefull using the neo as a usb_gadget ? |
| 18:39.32 | slaxxin | a phone |
| 18:39.43 | slaxxin | flashlight |
| 18:39.57 | slaxxin | a mouse |
| 18:41.34 | Tig| | is there going to be hardware keyboard planned for a GTA device in the near future? |
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| 18:44.52 | AntonTakk | Tig|: i have seen no official or speculated anouncements, but i would definately love for that to be the case |
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| 18:45.16 | Tig| | AntonTakk, ah I am not the only one then :) |
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| 18:46.33 | AntonTakk | nope, i am a huge fan of the general physical design of my wing (htc herald) |
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| 18:48.18 | Tig| | I still love the keyboard on the Zaurus SL5500 not a phone but it was really nice to use :) |
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| 18:49.06 | AntonTakk | i mean, when i think smart phone i expect capability and functionality, not light weight and small size, i'm buying a miniature computer, not a feature phone |
| 18:50.26 | Tig| | yep agreed |
| 18:51.51 | AntonTakk | and whoever claims the curent options for on-screen keyboards are usable with speed and acuracy doesn't have my thumbs |
| 18:52.07 | AntonTakk | 8-) |
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| 18:53.32 | Tig| | :) |
| 18:54.03 | lindi- | AntonTakk: i can use my layout quite fine with thumbnails |
| 18:54.19 | Tig| | lindi-, quickly though? |
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| 18:54.26 | lindi- | relatively quickly |
| 18:54.36 | AntonTakk | i keep my nails short, and don't like to let them get long |
| 18:54.45 | lindi- | Tig|: do you have some typing test i should do? |
| 18:55.13 | AntonTakk | lindi-: 500 page report - accuracy and speed w/o corrections :) |
| 18:56.34 | Tig| | lindi-, no just in my experience it takes me ages to send a text message and each word either just works or is a hassle to do. To send a full 150 char text message it takes me ages and doing a smiley without a stylus or something pointy is a real pain in the arse |
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| 18:57.08 | sicu | would be nice with something like http://www.rasterman.com/files/gta03-idea-1.png |
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| 18:59.24 | lindi- | Tig|: i thought i would irc with it for a while to show my point but wlan does not start |
| 18:59.29 | Tig| | sicu, looks nice but would that style keypad be a bit of a dog without T9 and I thought that was patent encumbered |
| 18:59.33 | AntonTakk | i have seen that, but personally, i think a side-sliding qwerty kb would be better than a bottom sliding dialing pad |
| 18:59.52 | lindi- | stable-tracking 80f4 and 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up' says 'eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device' |
| 19:00.47 | Tig| | AntonTakk, a bit like a zaurus sl5500 : http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide/images/zaurus1.png :) |
| 19:01.16 | AntonTakk | yeah, that would be ok, too |
| 19:01.17 | Tig| | I could touch type (thumb type) on that without looking at the keyboard :) |
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| 19:05.15 | AntonTakk | Tig|: this is what i like: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/HTC_Herald_PDA_Phone.JPG/450px-HTC_Herald_PDA_Phone.JPG |
| 19:05.31 | AntonTakk | and exactly what I have, too |
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| 19:17.02 | Tig| | AntonTakk, that design was what made me wonder how easy it would be to get Openmoko on a G1. I wonder how open the hardware drivers are |
| 19:19.15 | AntonTakk | yeah |
| 19:20.38 | mjr | I'm doubtful that they're very, considering their whole philosophy and the partners, but if someone actually knows, it'd be interesting |
| 19:21.02 | AntonTakk | Tig|: maybe just port the upper layers of android to fso? |
| 19:21.33 | bricode | AntonTakk: You can run the Android stuff in a chrooted environment. |
| 19:21.51 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 19:21.54 | bricode | Anyone look at the mtdparts variable in u-boot? |
| 19:22.12 | bricode | My last line is 5: rootfs 0x0f6a00000x009600000 |
| 19:22.26 | AntonTakk | then we would just need a reliable dbus implimentation in java? |
| 19:22.43 | lindi- | bricode: mtd5? |
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| 19:23.48 | lindi- | mtdparts=mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) |
| 19:23.52 | lindi- | here |
| 19:23.54 | bricode | mtd6. |
| 19:24.08 | bricode | lindi-: Thanks. |
| 19:24.57 | bricode | AntonTakk: Android includes a dbus implementation that it uses to talk to various subsystems (bt for example). |
| 19:25.06 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 19:25.29 | AntonTakk | so it would just be a matter of adding hardware support to fso |
| 19:25.45 | AntonTakk | which still requires documentation/etc |
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| 19:30.16 | jbick | how do you cross compile a kernel module with the mokomakefile? I get errors that header files are missing |
| 19:30.45 | slaxxin | if there were optimal hardware for a device like the freerunner on linuxx what would the hardware be? |
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| 19:31.09 | lindi- | jbick: you are trying to develop new module? |
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| 19:32.16 | slaxxin | lots of entries on glamo |
| 19:32.57 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.18 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: there isn't |
| 19:33.27 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: optimal hardware that is. |
| 19:33.52 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: or rather - there is - but the makers of it won't sell you them, or won't supply datasheets, or won't open specs |
| 19:33.57 | lindi- | full documentation would be a start |
| 19:33.59 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: or some combination of all. |
| 19:34.05 | slaxxin | those guys in silicone vally need to get on building it then |
| 19:34.34 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: Most mobile chipset vendors are _completely_ uninterested in a linux based startup that might ship 10K phones. |
| 19:34.40 | slaxxin | since they dont have anything to do right now |
| 19:35.18 | slaxxin | yea but things are looking up for linux right |
| 19:35.22 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: the glamo has turned out to be an utter waste. |
| 19:35.32 | slaxxin | well why? |
| 19:35.43 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: it makes a tiny minority of things much faster, and most things about the same speed. |
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| 19:36.32 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: it adds complexity, and completely opaque stuff as it's under NDA |
| 19:36.59 | SpeedEvil | Developing a graphics driver for it is completely wasted effort - it's code that can never be reused. |
| 19:36.59 | kd8ikt | that just sucks balls |
| 19:37.15 | kd8ikt | i want a refund |
| 19:37.43 | slaxxin | let me guess microsoft gave it to us |
| 19:37.55 | kd8ikt | smedia |
| 19:38.56 | jbick | lindi: yes I am trying to develop a new module |
| 19:38.56 | slaxxin | whats a better chip |
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| 19:39.12 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: better isn't the only point. |
| 19:39.26 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: it's a horrible multi-dimensional optimisation problem. |
| 19:39.29 | Tig| | slaxxin, it is not just what is a better chip, it has to be a chip with complete docs that they are willing to share preferably openly and sell in what is a relative small quantity |
| 19:39.33 | slaxxin | what would u people want |
| 19:39.48 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: some of which push you one way, some of which push you the other if you want volume production not prototype. |
| 19:39.48 | Tig| | and not sell them at a price that would make the phone prohibitably expensive |
| 19:39.57 | kd8ikt | something with opengl |
| 19:40.22 | slaxxin | motorolla a foss member? |
| 19:40.25 | SpeedEvil | It's gotta be cheap, low-power, small, easy to integrate, fast, available in small quantities, secure supply, ... |
| 19:40.40 | Tig| | slaxxin, opengl, low power, totally open specs, cheap and makes the tea :) |
| 19:40.41 | slaxxin | where is it? |
| 19:40.42 | SpeedEvil | It's gotta be cheap, low-power, small, easy to integrate, fast, available in small quantities, secure supply, open documentation, not too complex, ... |
| 19:40.53 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: find out and put it on the GTA04 wiki. |
| 19:41.03 | Tig| | SpeedEvil, I still think it should make the tea |
| 19:41.10 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: Coffee! |
| 19:41.14 | Tig| | pah |
| 19:41.33 | slaxxin | is that why the glamo was used=lower power? |
| 19:41.33 | Tig| | open general beverage api that can be called via dbus |
| 19:41.53 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: the glamo - as base on the 2 page spec-sheet looked good. |
| 19:42.11 | Tig| | it was cheap and on paper it offered a lot of features including a simple way to add an additional bus so we could have wifi |
| 19:42.13 | slaxxin | but thats not what u got? |
| 19:42.23 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: It could do many things that the neo1973 found hard. It could scale, rotate, seemed to offer 2D accelleration, and mpeg decode. |
| 19:42.40 | Tig| | well there are lots of footnotes which were not shared or made obvious |
| 19:42.42 | slaxxin | an was still cheap? |
| 19:42.45 | SpeedEvil | When you actually get the NDAd datasheet, many of these have caveats. |
| 19:42.58 | Tig| | ie it CAN do this but only in specific circumstances |
| 19:43.05 | SpeedEvil | For a GPU these-days, you basically want it on-die with the CPU. |
| 19:43.15 | SpeedEvil | Which the s3c6410 does |
| 19:43.16 | slaxxin | good thing openmoko made a lesser amount |
| 19:43.58 | kd8ikt | yes i read about that soc SpeedEvil |
| 19:44.13 | SpeedEvil | It looks good. |
| 19:44.16 | lindi- | kd8ikt: why opengl? |
| 19:44.20 | slaxxin | will it suck the battery dry in 4 hours? |
| 19:44.27 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: allegedly not. |
| 19:44.37 | SpeedEvil | notes he accepts unsolicited DCC. |
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| 19:45.14 | slaxxin | s3c6410 comes on gta03? |
| 19:45.20 | kd8ikt | heh /DCC speedevil superpr0nmegamix.tlz |
| 19:45.28 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: yes |
| 19:45.34 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: at least that's the plan ATM |
| 19:45.47 | SpeedEvil | See http://www.crandart.co.uk/products.htm |
| 19:46.04 | slaxxin | an the screen will be pressure type |
| 19:46.04 | Tig| | no plan survives first contact with the mailing list :P |
| 19:46.10 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 rather |
| 19:47.51 | slaxxin | that marvell wifi is open to? |
| 19:48.09 | Tig| | hmm so GTA03 atm looks like a bit of a hardware refresh rather than a totally new design |
| 19:48.16 | Tig| | + camera |
| 19:48.33 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: it's - sort-of GTA01 with a different SOC and camera |
| 19:48.48 | Tig| | and no 3g still |
| 19:48.52 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:49.14 | slaxxin | picture of the new case? |
| 19:49.22 | baze_ | slaxxin: where did you get from that the screen will be "pressure type"? |
| 19:49.34 | slaxxin | i didnt |
| 19:49.35 | SpeedEvil | I think it's more hot-glued PCB to the bench, rather than an actual case ATM. |
| 19:49.39 | baze_ | k |
| 19:49.57 | Tig| | ah new case design too |
| 19:50.36 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.51 | slaxxin | form factor etc? |
| 19:51.45 | slaxxin | ie can we hardware upgrade the old freerunner |
| 19:51.46 | SpeedEvil | slaxxin: I suspect that at the moment it's not a proper phone-shaped dev board. Just an easy to hack on bit of hardware with the right SoC, and stuff attached to it. |
| 19:52.09 | slaxxin | ic |
| 19:53.50 | bumbl | SpeedEvil: and what i have heard with multitouch |
| 19:54.17 | bumbl | which is in my hubbly opinion bad |
| 19:54.26 | slaxxin | whats the difference? |
| 19:54.28 | bumbl | special stylus needed |
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| 19:55.10 | bumbl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen <- at the moment the freerunner has a resistive ts |
| 19:55.38 | bumbl | multitouch should be capacitive as there is not enough space for optical touchscreens |
| 19:55.48 | slaxxin | the iphone has what type? |
| 19:56.03 | zash | capacitive? |
| 19:56.13 | baze_ | yep |
| 20:00.51 | slaxxin | capacitive is much more expencive? |
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| 20:11.18 | SpeedEvil | SAW, with a diamond coated face. |
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| 21:02.43 | \marco | hi to all |
| 21:02.49 | rooly | allo |
| 21:03.18 | Tig| | ello |
| 21:03.41 | \marco | I'm trying to use MokoMakefile to use the om-images in qemu.. |
| 21:03.51 | \marco | but.. the downloading is broken |
| 21:04.34 | \marco | when I do $ make qemu |
| 21:04.46 | \marco | I get Kernel is... not found |
| 21:05.24 | \marco | I've tried to modify download.sh to fit new host and names but.. no dice |
| 21:05.32 | \marco | any ideas? |
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| 21:12.55 | [Rui] | HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH Apple can disable your phone's GPS (other features too, surely): http://is.gd/b31a |
| 21:13.12 | [Rui] | This is what you can say to those iPhoneys |
| 21:13.41 | [Rui] | . o O ( you see, my phone is getting better, but Apple can disable yours at a whim ) |
| 21:15.42 | rooly | rui, even better: your iphone will one day brick. my phone will always ass-kick |
| 21:17.24 | igor321 | oh nice rhymes |
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| 21:18.48 | \marco | anyone use MokoMakefile? :/ |
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| 21:28.43 | mwester | [Rui]: Of course, it's hard to argue with the fact that the iphone user can actually make phone calls. |
| 21:28.52 | [Rui] | mwester: I can too! |
| 21:28.57 | rooly | yeah, me too |
| 21:29.03 | mwester | Riiiiiiiiight. |
| 21:29.12 | rooly | but iphone users can't run 10 different forms of linux, or android |
| 21:29.27 | mwester | Hello (hello) (hello) (hello) bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... |
| 21:29.39 | \marco | mwester: lol :D |
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| 21:30.16 | rooly | hmm...thats only happened once or twice to me |
| 21:30.31 | mwester | rooly: most people don't *want* to do that. Even linux afficionados don't want 10 different distros for a device, especially when NONE of them work particularly well. |
| 21:30.41 | [Rui] | mwester: my FSOM4.1 has been working fine, receiving calls, sending calls |
| 21:30.55 | [Rui] | and now with WSOD fixed for me... I've been just peachy! |
| 21:30.57 | rooly | yeah, yeah, i know |
| 21:30.58 | balrog-kun | rooly: because it only managed to connect one or two times? |
| 21:31.01 | \marco | [repeat] anyone use MokoMakefile for qemu? |
| 21:31.05 | mwester | laughs at the Om fanboys! |
| 21:31.14 | well | today's been a pretty weird day today |
| 21:31.25 | well | I've just given my mate back his iPhone actually |
| 21:31.29 | rooly | wait, are we talking about the device or the os |
| 21:31.39 | rooly | cause i don't use that os |
| 21:31.44 | rooly | 's a pain in the ass for me |
| 21:31.45 | well | after me unlocking/jailbreaking it on Sunday there |
| 21:31.46 | [Rui] | mwester: actually, I'm a Free Software fanboy! :D |
| 21:31.48 | rooly | never charges properlly |
| 21:31.55 | well | and had a few days (till today) to mess around with it |
| 21:32.07 | well | I can safely say that the iPhone does a lot of things perfectly |
| 21:32.21 | mwester | I favor Free software -- but I'm also pragmatic. I do not appreciate *BROKEN* software. |
| 21:32.35 | well | AND I can't complain at any Apple product, they're all relatively high quality, if a little overpriced at times |
| 21:32.54 | well | I'd like Openmoko to achieve even half of the standard the iPhone does |
| 21:33.11 | rooly | the only real complaint about apple products is the userbase |
| 21:33.15 | mwester | So until at least ONEof the distros works properly, I will not engage in a battle of "my phone rulz" with an iPhone user. They win, every time, just because they can make or recieve a phone call reliably. Hard to argue with that... |
| 21:33.19 | [Rui] | mwester: it'll get fixed! And it's very pragmatic to be able to trust OM won't send a signal through the operator which will disable my phone! |
| 21:33.19 | \marco | I've bought the FR for its own potential |
| 21:33.46 | rooly | puts pants on |
| 21:33.49 | mwester | [Rui]: There's no need for such a signal. The hardware will do that all on its own. |
| 21:33.55 | [Rui] | mwester: LOL! |
| 21:33.58 | rooly | lol |
| 21:34.17 | \marco | lol |
| 21:34.27 | rooly | ahh |
| 21:34.30 | rooly | the joys of pants |
| 21:37.00 | StealthCP | here's something for you, I bought a Freerunner back in May |
| 21:37.08 | StealthCP | it's been out of the box twice |
| 21:37.16 | StealthCP | and twice in June |
| 21:37.41 | lindi- | doesn't sound like productive development to me |
| 21:37.43 | StealthCP | ok it was ootb for a few days at a time, but I've no time to develop for it right now |
| 21:37.56 | StealthCP | and.. as I can't use it as a phone, it's of no use to me |
| 21:38.08 | slaxxer | GETBUSY |
| 21:38.23 | StealthCP | now, looking recently at advancements, this has changed a bit in the mast few months :) |
| 21:38.49 | nemik | really? it can be reliably used as a phone now? |
| 21:39.06 | rooly | using qtopia 4.3.2 |
| 21:39.15 | rooly | it sure can be reliably used as a phone |
| 21:39.17 | StealthCP | well here's what you should be asking - why isn't it? |
| 21:39.34 | nemik | didn't wake from suspend for me for incoming calls. aka: useless |
| 21:39.41 | StealthCP | and rooly I asked this question earlier - Qtopia or OM? (or FDOM as it now looks to be more 'complete') |
| 21:40.26 | lindi- | nemik: did you apply #1024? |
| 21:40.37 | rooly | i honestly prefer OM, but the phone utitlity stacks are just so spread out everywhere |
| 21:40.39 | \marco | nemik: my FR wakes from suspend for incoming calls :) |
| 21:40.41 | StealthCP | the thing is, developer motive seems to be the same as most phone manufacturers nowadays |
| 21:40.49 | rooly | also, its not as stable as qtopia |
| 21:41.03 | StealthCP | for god sakes, it's a PHONE, get that but working before you do /anything/ else |
| 21:41.16 | lindi- | StealthCP: i can quite reliably receive calls |
| 21:41.25 | StealthCP | and if the Freerunner will allow me a higher volume control on phone calls than the iPhone, then I will but one sooner than that |
| 21:41.37 | lindi- | StealthCP: you should setup your phone to do automated testing |
| 21:41.52 | StealthCP | one thing that pisses me off about every phone I've used, is the inadequate volume, even when maxed it's not 'uncomfortably high' |
| 21:41.56 | lindi- | StealthCP: i could for example place a call at random interval to your phone every day and we could log the results |
| 21:42.07 | StealthCP | e.g. not giving you a large degree of control - rule applies moreso to house phones even |
| 21:42.19 | StealthCP | hmm |
| 21:42.51 | lindi- | but you need extra gsm number for that of course, prepaid would do since you would not need to answer |
| 21:43.55 | lindi- | StealthCP: would be nice to really make sure that it misses no call. i can not do that with my phone since i carry it around all the time |
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| 21:44.22 | rooly | hasn't missed a call yet using qtopia 4.3.2 |
| 21:44.33 | rooly | can't say the same about qtextended 4.4.x |
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| 21:44.56 | StealthCP | what's qte 4.4.x like? |
| 21:44.58 | mwester | thinks the missed call thing will get MUCH better when FSO actually implements the GSM suspend/resume stuff. |
| 21:45.19 | nemik | is FSO working on that for gta02 now? |
| 21:45.24 | StealthCP | and yes, the iPhone had many problems with missed calls too, did it not? |
| 21:45.25 | mwester | Dunno. |
| 21:45.49 | StealthCP | see this is where I think those things needed to be concentrated on |
| 21:45.50 | nemik | honestly i don't see myself ever using this 'phone' as a phone. i think of it more as a portable GSM server. |
| 21:45.54 | lindi- | mwester: haven't they already? |
| 21:45.55 | rooly | its really nice, StealthCP. its got automatic contact import, and a side alphabetic scroll where you can instantly forward to a contact letter |
| 21:46.09 | rooly | the scrolling itself maintains velocity |
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| 21:46.22 | rooly | pictures, working bluetooth, wifi sometimes |
| 21:46.23 | rooly | etc |
| 21:46.24 | mwester | lindi-: nothing is implemented; the obvious (read hack) I tried to put in just created more problems. |
| 21:46.34 | StealthCP | I'm definitely sticking that on then |
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| 21:46.49 | [Rui] | hsm... do /etc/apm/{suspend,resume}.d/ scripts work ? |
| 21:46.51 | StealthCP | I'd like to dual boot though.. 8GB card around, but what should be |
| 21:46.51 | lindi- | mwester: #1024 fix is still there |
| 21:46.56 | mwester | yep |
| 21:46.58 | StealthCP | on the flash and what should be on the sd? |
| 21:46.59 | lindi- | mwester: do you mean some other hack? |
| 21:47.01 | mwester | different issue |
| 21:47.07 | rooly | StealthCP, you don't want qte |
| 21:47.07 | lindi- | mwester: which issue? |
| 21:47.12 | rooly | get qtopia 4.3.2 |
| 21:47.20 | StealthCP | annoys me that 16GB microSD cards are the same price 8GB ones were back when I bought it lol |
| 21:47.27 | rooly | because qte messes up sms recieving and phone calls really bad |
| 21:47.32 | StealthCP | i see |
| 21:47.40 | mwester | lindi-: the one that's been around since the very early days of the GTA01 -- flow-control of the GSM during resume is misising. |
| 21:47.53 | StealthCP | sort of confirms the suspicion that no distro works perfectly |
| 21:47.54 | lindi- | mwester: i recall reading about that |
| 21:48.09 | nemik | the power management system is the biggest failure of the phone. not letting battery die....that's just endless lols |
| 21:48.15 | mwester | lindi-: we now have the support in the OS, it's up the app to flow control the GSM when it "puts it to bed" |
| 21:48.53 | StealthCP | sorry to keep comparing with the iPhone.. does the freerunner turn wifi/gps off whenever it's in suspend mode? |
| 21:48.58 | lindi- | mwester: can't userland tcsetattr() immediately after resume? |
| 21:49.18 | rooly | StealthCP, no, gots to do that manually |
| 21:49.20 | mwester | Doesn't do anything on the S3C24xx cpus |
| 21:49.26 | lindi- | mwester: ok |
| 21:49.37 | StealthCP | i see. sohuldn't it do that automatically? |
| 21:49.38 | mwester | But they can just as well do "echo "0" >/sys/whatever" |
| 21:49.50 | lindi- | mwester: is there a ticket about this? |
| 21:49.59 | rooly | if it were an integrated stack, StealthCP, surely |
| 21:50.00 | mwester | For FSO there is. |
| 21:50.05 | lindi- | mwester: or some place where i could read more about it and poll for updates? |
| 21:50.06 | rooly | but its not. |
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| 21:51.28 | mwester | lindi-: FSO -- http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/31 |
| 21:51.28 | lindi- | mwester: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/31 [OPENMOKO NEO] Add flow control handling for suspend/resume |
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| 21:58.36 | lindi- | mwester: interesting read, thanks |
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| 22:06.47 | mokel | how to reenable mp3 fpr fso 4.1? |
| 22:06.51 | mokel | for |
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| 22:18.46 | [Rui] | raises his hand |
| 22:20.26 | sicu | yes? |
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| 22:22.14 | [Rui] | the apm suspend/resume scripts don't seem to work. do I need to enable something? |
| 22:23.35 | [Rui] | was trying to use them for a dirty hack around omnewrotate + suspend while I don't do a proper one. |
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| 22:29.54 | nkinkade | I just installed today's images from daily/testing. GSM works fine, but for some reason the GSM signal strength indicator shows no bars. Anyone else seen this? |
| 22:31.27 | |Marco| | have any of you managed to boot up android on your freerunner's ? |
| 22:31.53 | mokel | |Marco|: yes |
| 22:32.44 | |Marco| | did you find a pre-built image or did you build the image your selfe ? |
| 22:32.49 | mokel | prebuilt |
| 22:32.54 | |Marco| | where ? |
| 22:33.10 | mokel | http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 22:33.17 | |Marco| | hrm.. same image.. |
| 22:33.18 | mokel | works fine |
| 22:33.31 | |Marco| | on sd or flash ? |
| 22:33.34 | mokel | flash |
| 22:33.43 | [-zeno-] | mokel, but you need QI or to modify uboot |
| 22:33.44 | |Marco| | same thing.... what the hell.. |
| 22:33.55 | mokel | yes, i flashed qi |
| 22:34.01 | [-zeno-] | |Marco|, are you using qi? |
| 22:34.06 | |Marco| | qi ? |
| 22:34.14 | [-zeno-] | the new boot manager |
| 22:34.16 | mokel | you all 3 files from the url i wrote |
| 22:34.22 | mokel | kernel, image, qi |
| 22:34.29 | mokel | and prepare sd card |
| 22:34.57 | mokel | http://www.copiesofcopies.org/webl/?p=34 |
| 22:34.57 | |Marco| | oookay, it needs the sd card ? |
| 22:35.00 | mokel | this helped me |
| 22:35.05 | mokel | yes |
| 22:35.14 | mokel | with 2 partitions fat and ext3 |
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| 22:35.32 | |Marco| | okay |
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| 22:37.30 | [-zeno-] | mokel, but.. adnroid boots from sd card also?!?!? |
| 22:37.37 | mokel | i dont know |
| 22:37.40 | mokel | but should |
| 22:37.44 | [-zeno-] | i don't think so |
| 22:37.53 | bricode | Android only boots from internal NAND at the moment. |
| 22:37.56 | [-zeno-] | i know that it boots only from the flash |
| 22:38.09 | [-zeno-] | yes,,, so i am right |
| 22:38.30 | bricode | We're working on an install that doesn't need the sdcard, but it requires playing with the uboot env. |
| 22:38.38 | mokel | ah, ok |
| 22:38.42 | mokel | sorry, didn't know |
| 22:39.33 | rooly | stupid computer |
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| 22:44.56 | mwester | suggests kexec rather than playing with the uboot env. |
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| 22:46.11 | mokel | anyone knows how to reenable gstreamer mp3 support in fso 4.1? |
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| 22:54.14 | mwester | atp: what are you? |
| 22:54.19 | mwester | apt: what are you? |
| 22:54.20 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 22:54.29 | mwester | apt: thanks. good boy! |
| 22:54.29 | apt | thanks, mwester |
| 22:54.39 | azaghal | mwester: Neo echo? ;) |
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| 22:55.04 | mwester | nope. :-O me mispeeling! |
| 22:55.10 | rwhitby | ~botsnack |
| 22:55.10 | apt | rwhitby: aw, gee |
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| 22:58.27 | |Marco| | mokel: is the walkthrough expecting me to be using the 512MB SD card ? |
| 22:58.41 | mokel | i dont think so |
| 22:58.42 | mokel | i took it |
| 22:59.16 | |Marco| | "Create the first partition: enter ânâ (new partition), then âpâ (for a primary partition), then â1â³ (for the first partition), then â1â³ (start at the first cylinder), then enter half of the total number of cylinders (to make the first partition half the size of the card)" <---- that'd be 2x1gb partitions.... |
| 22:59.39 | mokel | i don't think thats a problem |
| 23:00.12 | |Marco| | oookay, was just planning on useing a larger partition for storage |
| 23:00.30 | mokel | don't expect too much from android |
| 23:00.38 | mokel | i found it unusable |
| 23:00.39 | |Marco| | um.. |
| 23:00.48 | |Marco| | crap... |
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| 23:01.11 | |Marco| | the ONLY distro I found usable is the ONLY one that's doscontinued |
| 23:01.21 | |Marco| | *discontinued |
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| 23:01.39 | quatrox | |Marco|: Try SHR again |
| 23:02.05 | mokel | for me fso 4.1 works really good |
| 23:03.08 | quatrox | SHR is based uppon the distro |Marco| liked |
| 23:03.32 | |Marco| | quatrox: don't know if I want to yet |
| 23:03.51 | |Marco| | I might, but I also still want the old gui :/ |
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| 23:04.50 | quatrox | what is wrong with illume? |
| 23:05.14 | quatrox | and the icons... |
| 23:06.27 | |Marco| | I can trye that if I don't find android palatable |
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| 23:17.50 | mrgarlic | does anyone have advice on this ...... should i reflash new moko with latest OM or keep shipped OS on flash memory and put 2008.9 on the SD? |
| 23:18.22 | rooly | trash the shipped os |
| 23:18.27 | mrgarlic | great |
| 23:18.30 | rooly | they stopped working on it a long time ago |
| 23:18.50 | rooly | flash with 2008.9 and put qtopia 4.3.2 on the sd |
| 23:18.58 | mrgarlic | cool |
| 23:19.27 | mrgarlic | so i need kernel and root filesystem for 2008.9 |
| 23:19.42 | mrgarlic | do i need to update bootloader? |
| 23:19.54 | rooly | might as well |
| 23:20.06 | mrgarlic | ok |
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| 23:29.02 | mrgarlic | so is the order important in flashing? |
| 23:29.20 | mrgarlic | kernal, rootfs, bootloader? |
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| 23:32.59 | mwester | mrgarlic: order matters not a whit. |
| 23:33.17 | mwester | mrgarlic: but you'll seldom (if ever) flash the bootloader. |
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| 23:41.38 | |Marco| | *booting* |
| 23:42.04 | |Marco| | anyone know how long android uses on initial boot on FR ? |
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| 23:45.37 | |Marco| | booted |
| 23:45.48 | mokel | long |
| 23:45.50 | mokel | ^^ |
| 23:46.54 | |Marco| | neh, just used some time to document it with my dv cam |
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| 23:48.00 | rooly | ? |
| 23:48.12 | |Marco| | recorded it with my DV.Camera |
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| 23:49.33 | mariusno | i... just bought a GTA02. But i'm experiense long GPS fix time. I checked the wiki and found out that i have the capacitor under the sd card. Is this beeing fixed in newer software? I'm running 200804240820 |
| 23:50.29 | quatrox | yes |
| 23:50.46 | |Marco| | mokel: how do I navigate (back) in menu'd on android ? |
| 23:50.55 | mokel | aux |
| 23:50.56 | mariusno | ah... nice! |
| 23:51.25 | quatrox | mariusno: you must update to an image from august or later:) |
| 23:51.26 | |Marco| | mokel: thanks |
| 23:52.22 | mariusno | @quatrox then i should start reading about updating the phone |
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| 23:54.22 | rooly | goddamit |
| 23:54.46 | rooly | and its about to die again it seems |
| 23:55.17 | mrgarlic | mrgarlic is seeing the new boot screen ...... sweet! |
| 23:55.33 | rooly | hey, mwester |
| 23:56.17 | rooly | if they want uboot to speed up, why don't they just set it to not boot in debug mode by default? |
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| 23:57.39 | zFinX^ | http://www.sexyemilie.com/?id=519390 |
| 23:57.40 | zFinX^ | check it out |
| 23:57.41 | zFinX^ | :D |
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| 23:57.50 | Sargun | Man, when is the GTA03 coming out? |
| 23:58.04 | rooly | its been out for a while now, man |
| 23:58.21 | rooly | they followed it with vice city and the gta04 |
| 23:58.22 | |Marco| | mokel: is'nt there a gui for keyboard ? |
| 23:58.36 | mokel | |Marco|: no idea |
| 23:58.40 | |Marco| | crap |
| 23:58.41 | mokel | i tested it 5 minutes |
| 23:58.50 | mokel | then i had no more fun with it |
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