| 00:00.26 | slaxxin | yay |
| 00:00.32 | slaxxin | YAY| |
| 00:00.56 | Ainulindale | Soon to come, phone journal & new and improved phone UI stack |
| 00:01.04 | Ainulindale | And for now I'm going to grab my beer & enjoy |
| 00:01.08 | slaxxin | Y A Y |
| 00:01.18 | slaxxin | later |
| 00:01.26 | slaxxin | thanks for the update |
| 00:01.40 | quatrox | Ainulindale: good work. I'll try it tomorrow:) |
| 00:04.29 | Dave | Raster, when do the pandora's ship? |
| 00:07.00 | white_gecko | now i have also osm2go packages: http://comiles.eu/~natanael/wordpress/2008/12/09/osm2go-und-goocanvas-pakete |
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| 00:07.40 | raster | Dave: dunno. they have problems with their lcd supply |
| 00:07.47 | raster | they should be shipping now |
| 00:07.50 | raster | but its delayed |
| 00:10.02 | pieterc | Hi raster |
| 00:12.52 | raster | pieterc: oi |
| 00:14.51 | Dave | :( |
| 00:16.54 | slaxxin | fastboot shr woo hoo |
| 00:17.39 | slaxxin | i might get to use the freerunner as a phone soon |
| 00:18.34 | Dave | Never. |
| 00:18.51 | slaxxin | shure |
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| 00:21.24 | pieterc | SHuRe ... |
| 00:21.34 | slaxxin | took a minuit |
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| 00:21.43 | pieterc | ;) |
| 00:22.02 | pieterc | quite laggy isn't it ;) |
| 00:22.02 | slaxxin | what happened to "Chocky" |
| 00:23.39 | Zorkman | he's been deed for months |
| 00:23.56 | pieterc | Choked to death actually |
| 00:23.56 | Zorkman | he's no longer correcting our grammar or spelling |
| 00:24.00 | Dave | Chox :( |
| 00:24.02 | Dave | RIP |
| 00:24.08 | Zorkman | "he liked to bbq" |
| 00:24.11 | pieterc | Hi Zorkman ;) |
| 00:24.12 | Dave | Yeah :p |
| 00:24.16 | Zorkman | hi pieterc |
| 00:24.19 | Dave | I believe he lived near me, actyually. |
| 00:24.26 | Dave | I should be able to smell the bbq from here :p |
| 00:24.34 | Dave | I'll just FOLLOW MY NOSE! |
| 00:24.36 | Zorkman | gonna go off to bed now |
| 00:24.39 | Zorkman | se you guys tomorrow |
| 00:24.42 | pieterc | pussy ;) |
| 00:24.45 | Zorkman | dave: maybe he's lazy lulu :p |
| 00:25.36 | pieterc | Raster |
| 00:26.04 | pieterc | the illume keyboard, is it possible to create a keyboard upon it that has separate press and release function? |
| 00:26.06 | raster | pieterc: that is me. yes :) |
| 00:26.33 | raster | no |
| 00:26.37 | raster | i had that originally |
| 00:26.42 | raster | but it heavily complicated things |
| 00:27.01 | raster | especially for doing both dictionary corrective stuff and raw input |
| 00:27.10 | raster | so i removed it |
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| 00:27.21 | Dave | We must operate! |
| 00:27.23 | pieterc | ok |
| 00:27.36 | raster | it could be added in and u'd need to add flags to a key and write lots of other code to track keyboard remappings in ecore_x betwene press and release |
| 00:27.44 | pieterc | The only solution left for me is to hardcode it |
| 00:27.48 | raster | but i really find it odd u'd NEED that |
| 00:28.12 | pieterc | well... many things could need it? |
| 00:28.36 | pieterc | in my case a gameboy emulator |
| 00:28.50 | pieterc | or a virtual keyboard piano |
| 00:28.52 | Dave | :D |
| 00:28.58 | pieterc | or ... |
| 00:28.58 | pieterc | ;) |
| 00:28.59 | Dave | epiano 2.0? |
| 00:29.09 | pieterc | has that been release Dave? ;) |
| 00:29.23 | quatrox | opianod? |
| 00:29.48 | raster | pieterc: its a vkbd meant for text entry |
| 00:29.52 | raster | eg terminals, entry boxes |
| 00:29.56 | raster | if u need "game controls" |
| 00:30.00 | raster | a vkbd is NOT what u want |
| 00:30.08 | raster | its being mis-used |
| 00:30.23 | raster | you have no need for a keyboard |
| 00:30.26 | pieterc | alright |
| 00:30.29 | raster | u want specific game controlpad stuff |
| 00:30.34 | pieterc | indeed |
| 00:30.54 | raster | as u are using a keyboard emulator that is emulating a keyboard that in turn is emulating the buttons on a game pad |
| 00:31.03 | raster | it's really misuse :) |
| 00:31.24 | raster | so in this case - make a gamepoy controlpad entry thng at the bottom of your app |
| 00:31.29 | raster | it will be much better than a vkbd |
| 00:31.34 | raster | as at leats u can make keys huge |
| 00:31.35 | pieterc | is reading your sentence a couple of times |
| 00:31.43 | raster | and exactly the right shape/position and golor |
| 00:31.59 | pieterc | right :) |
| 00:32.05 | pieterc | I'll do that |
| 00:32.06 | raster | u still have a problem that a touchscreen can only have 1 press at once |
| 00:32.10 | raster | unlike a relay kbd and a gamepad |
| 00:32.15 | pieterc | indeed |
| 00:32.16 | pieterc | i know |
| 00:32.17 | raster | whihc is going to cause lots of trouble |
| 00:32.28 | raster | so you're "pushing shit uphill" here |
| 00:32.31 | pieterc | but the 4 button steering pad |
| 00:32.41 | pieterc | can be changed by the accellerometers |
| 00:32.45 | raster | i know that MOSt games will require you to press 2 or moe buttons during gameplay |
| 00:32.46 | Dave | pieterc, are you responsible for that? |
| 00:32.49 | raster | at once |
| 00:32.52 | Dave | raster, yeah |
| 00:32.57 | Dave | :( |
| 00:33.00 | raster | (eg run right AND fire at the monsters) |
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| 00:33.03 | Dave | so... just get a pandora? |
| 00:33.05 | pieterc | Dave, responsible for what? |
| 00:33.14 | Dave | pushing that kbd? |
| 00:33.19 | raster | so despite the fact u will be able to get it to technically work |
| 00:33.19 | Dave | (design) |
| 00:33.21 | raster | and do stuff |
| 00:33.27 | Dave | it will still be lacking |
| 00:33.29 | pieterc | of the matchbox keyboard? |
| 00:33.31 | raster | it's simply going to end up being unusable :( |
| 00:33.38 | Dave | impractical |
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| 00:34.00 | Dave | Hello Ken :) |
| 00:34.11 | KenYoung | Hi Dave! |
| 00:34.33 | raster | u could TRY and do hacks |
| 00:34.38 | pieterc | raster: for the gameboyemulator it's not really necessary to have multitouch support.. eg pokémon is alright pushing 1 button at a time... So i think i'll go on with that one |
| 00:34.39 | raster | as wityh a ts |
| 00:34.42 | raster | if u press 2 points |
| 00:34.58 | raster | u will suddenly get the point ot move half-way between the 2 points when u press another |
| 00:35.05 | pieterc | Dave: the matchboxkeyboard layout is what i did and is usable... The illume keyboard is what Thomas Bertani or Sylar did and is not usable |
| 00:35.12 | raster | technically if u see a sudden large movement of the mouse |
| 00:35.16 | raster | without a mouse release |
| 00:35.23 | raster | then u coudl "guess" that u just pressed 2 points |
| 00:35.43 | raster | and the new point can be extrapolated from where the old point was and the new "sudden jump" point |
| 00:35.46 | Dave | A! |
| 00:35.50 | Dave | Pietrc, I see |
| 00:35.50 | mjr | raster, that's the crude way. Apparently probably you could get the bounding box of the presses from the ts on a lower level too... |
| 00:35.59 | mjr | or so I was told |
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| 00:36.13 | raster | mjr: no idea actually |
| 00:36.27 | raster | biut extrapolation would work in the generic case for resistive single-touch screens |
| 00:36.37 | raster | UNLESS the ts input has a filter to remove such anomolies |
| 00:36.42 | raster | whihc is actually a much better idea |
| 00:36.50 | raster | as really its unintended behavior |
| 00:37.03 | raster | so big sudden jumps due to 2 presses should be filtered out and ignored |
| 00:37.05 | pieterc | raster, i won't do it that hard... but the coexistence of the accelerometers and the touchscreen is a nice thing |
| 00:37.17 | raster | pieterc: yes. they are good |
| 00:39.20 | pieterc | will gta03 have more buttons or not? ;) |
| 00:39.55 | KenYoung | Yes |
| 00:41.00 | pieterc | KenYoung, that's good ^^ |
| 00:44.39 | pieterc | raster, i'm trying to compile some source from bitbake but bitbake gives an error at the start |
| 00:44.47 | pieterc | (first time i'm trying to bitbake) |
| 00:45.02 | pieterc | it says i should set the Cache variable |
| 00:45.14 | pieterc | is that a common asked error? ;) |
| 00:45.22 | raster | no |
| 00:45.29 | raster | i suspect your setup isnt done probperly |
| 00:45.34 | pieterc | because I followed the instructions on the wiki |
| 00:45.58 | raster | i susopect u missed somethin |
| 00:46.05 | raster | or its a recent change/addition |
| 00:47.11 | pieterc | ok, i'll try again from scratch |
| 00:49.29 | Weiss | err..really? i just do an export CACHE=/some/suitable/dir before i start bitbaking, and it works fine |
| 00:52.27 | pieterc | ... Weiss... damned, that works;) |
| 00:52.38 | pieterc | ty! |
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| 00:59.59 | Dave | SO when can I use my freerunner as a gameboy, pieter :) |
| 01:00.16 | mwester | Hey Dave. |
| 01:00.23 | Dave | Greetings :) |
| 01:00.25 | mwester | Hows the android keyboard coming along |
| 01:00.26 | mwester | ? |
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| 01:00.33 | Dave | input sucks |
| 01:00.48 | Dave | freerunner continually disappoints and subsequently demotivates me |
| 01:00.59 | mwester | But android will save us all |
| 01:01.15 | mwester | with qi, of coure. |
| 01:01.20 | mwester | er, course |
| 01:02.12 | Dave | uh huh |
| 01:02.14 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 01:02.30 | Dave | Now where did I place my white hat... |
| 01:02.50 | mwester | has his tin-foil hat on. So that he can think clearly. |
| 01:02.50 | pieterc | why does google wait that long to release a vkbd by themselfs? |
| 01:03.27 | pieterc | they released android in like 1 year and they can't release a keyboard in 4 months? |
| 01:03.39 | pieterc | ridicolous |
| 01:03.40 | KenYoung | pieterc, They're working on where to place the ads. |
| 01:03.51 | mwester | er, because it takes a loong time to figure out how to get the amount of data transfered per keystroke up high enough. |
| 01:04.05 | slaxxin | shr boots 1:35 |
| 01:04.06 | mwester | This is java, after all. Need to encode each keystroke as an xml data record. |
| 01:04.08 | pieterc | KenYoung: and Sean is working on how to keep those out? ;) |
| 01:04.20 | mwester | The put the xml record on some sort of "service". |
| 01:04.30 | mwester | Then encapsulate it several more times. |
| 01:04.35 | pieterc | mwester: ok |
| 01:05.06 | mwester | :P |
| 01:05.09 | KenYoung | It's not easy to piss away several hundred million operations per second. |
| 01:05.11 | pieterc | ty ;) |
| 01:06.06 | Dave | Dude, CLEARLY the keyboard needs AJAX. |
| 01:06.12 | mwester | hehe! |
| 01:06.16 | Dave | :P |
| 01:06.27 | mwester | Yes, but couldn't we have a prototype written in javascript? |
| 01:07.44 | mwester | Seriously, though -- is it so hard for anyone else to put a keyboard together? How many are there for the various other distros at this point? SO what's so unique about Android that makes such a thing different? |
| 01:08.10 | mwester | (serious question - if anyone has any idea...) |
| 01:09.41 | KenYoung | I wonder if the new developers' version of the G1 will lure people away from Openmoko. |
| 01:09.58 | pieterc | ERROR: Could not inherit file classes/autotools.bbclass while parsing /home/pieterc/bbmoko/vba.bb |
| 01:10.04 | pieterc | what does that mean? |
| 01:10.20 | azaghal | Btw, whom do we have to kill to get the full specs for GPU on OpenMoko? :) |
| 01:10.55 | azaghal | *Neo |
| 01:11.01 | mwester | azaghal: killing would probably hinder more than help -- I think you can ask Om (seem emails on the devel or kernel list recently). YOu'll need to sign an NDA. |
| 01:11.07 | pieterc | azaghal, I'm might be wrong but I tink B. Gades would be a nice start |
| 01:11.09 | pieterc | ;) |
| 01:11.23 | azaghal | pieterc: Heck, he's _always_ a nice start ;) |
| 01:11.43 | azaghal | mwester: Heh, NDA's are just too evil :) |
| 01:11.50 | polz | Ainulindale: it appears to be working. |
| 01:11.51 | pieterc | Gates, Gades, Hades, Hell? ;) |
| 01:12.24 | mwester | pieterc: your "vba.bb" file attempts to inherit autotools, but it looks like the openembedded/classes dir cannot be found. Chekc your BBPATH. |
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| 01:12.58 | Dave | More games! |
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| 01:13.27 | mwester | Actually, I'm wondering when the Linux community will come to their senses, and thank Mr. Gates profusely, especially for Vista. |
| 01:13.35 | Dave | Oh, and Mwester, I believe I have the answer to your question... |
| 01:13.43 | Dave | It's Java... and who wants to touch that? ;p |
| 01:13.52 | Dave | No eager candidates? No surprise. |
| 01:13.55 | SpeedEvil | is getting windows installed soon. |
| 01:13.58 | pieterc | mwester: in local.conf? |
| 01:14.11 | SpeedEvil | (of the house sort) |
| 01:14.49 | mwester | I mean, Vista's demand for memory and graphics and CPU is a huge force that has driven down the price of hardware for Linux enthusiasts... |
| 01:15.11 | mwester | pieterc: Not sure; I don't use overlays. |
| 01:16.00 | xNey | alguém fala português? |
| 01:16.14 | mwester | SpeedEvil: energy efficient types? With the metallic film? Your GPS reception will suck suddenly! (like mine does -- it's actually *worse* rigth up against the window than on the shelf over my desk) |
| 01:16.30 | xNey | alguém fala português? |
| 01:16.37 | xNey | algum brasileiro ai porra?? |
| 01:16.44 | SpeedEvil | mwester: well... |
| 01:16.56 | xNey | SpeedEvil fala portugues? |
| 01:16.56 | SpeedEvil | mwester: my current ones are wooden, and _very_ rotten. |
| 01:17.22 | SpeedEvil | mwester: and I've been offered the possibility of a grant to install windows. |
| 01:17.30 | SpeedEvil | xme: no |
| 01:17.39 | SpeedEvil | xne: |
| 01:17.45 | mwester | :( Yeah, I know that story. And when the guys replacing the windows suddenly stop, and they all gather together looking at one particular spot where they removed a window, then you know it's suddenly gonna cost a while log. |
| 01:17.54 | mwester | Wooden windows suck./ |
| 01:18.06 | SpeedEvil | mwester: well - it depends on the wood. |
| 01:18.16 | SpeedEvil | mwester: I'd been planning to do my own of oak. |
| 01:18.17 | mwester | "SPF" here. |
| 01:18.25 | mwester | Oak? Wow. |
| 01:18.30 | mwester | Nice. |
| 01:18.34 | SpeedEvil | mwester: but the offer of a grant is too good to pass up. |
| 01:18.47 | SpeedEvil | oak would have only been $1000 or so. |
| 01:18.48 | slaxxin | better than those energy sucking metal windows |
| 01:18.51 | SpeedEvil | For the wood alone. |
| 01:18.58 | Dave | :p |
| 01:19.06 | mwester | Do you have routers, planers, etc? |
| 01:19.07 | SpeedEvil | The sealed units would run about double that. |
| 01:19.19 | SpeedEvil | mwester: just about enough to do the job |
| 01:19.33 | mwester | has a well-equipped woodshop in the basement. :) |
| 01:19.44 | mwester | Need a bandsaw, but no room (or money) |
| 01:20.00 | SpeedEvil | mwester: problem is that I need to do _way_ too much stuff to this house. Still in the process of insulating it. |
| 01:20.15 | Dave | Double-paned double-hung argon ftw :D |
| 01:20.17 | SpeedEvil | mwester: 60cm solid stone walls, 5cm airgap, board. Not exactly warm. |
| 01:20.39 | SpeedEvil | Dave: actually - the windows are the least important part thermally. _vastly_ more goes out through walls and floor. |
| 01:20.43 | Dave | Speedevil, do you live in a monastery? |
| 01:21.02 | SpeedEvil | Dave: no - ~1700s linen weavers cottage. |
| 01:21.13 | Dave | Ah |
| 01:21.16 | Dave | quirky |
| 01:21.40 | slaxxin | heat those rocks up |
| 01:21.49 | mwester | Ah. The old house we used to have had a layer of exterior brick, air gap, cinder blocks, then furring strips, and plaster -- no actual insulation, but it did ok with the multiple air gaps. |
| 01:22.02 | mwester | Except for the wooden windows, which were all rotten at the sills. |
| 01:22.08 | SpeedEvil | mwester: cinder blocks are insulating - somewhat |
| 01:22.08 | Dave | Speedevil, how cold does it get there in the winteR? |
| 01:22.19 | SpeedEvil | Dave: recently hit -6C |
| 01:22.45 | Dave | So, not very cold. |
| 01:22.46 | SpeedEvil | -1C now |
| 01:22.48 | mwester | curiousity question: what's on the roof of something so old? |
| 01:22.52 | SpeedEvil | mwe |
| 01:24.28 | slaxxin | 130 year old oak |
| 01:24.40 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.52 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.53 | SpeedEvil | LayedHedge2.jpg dsc01728.jpg |
| 01:24.55 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 01:24.59 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/roof1.jpg |
| 01:25.56 | pieterc | mwester: sorry, but doesnt seem to be my BBPATH |
| 01:25.57 | pieterc | ... |
| 01:26.06 | pieterc | it seems like set up correctly |
| 01:26.40 | mwester | SpeedEvil: original tiles, then? cool. |
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| 01:27.03 | SpeedEvil | mwester: I think these ones are actually ~1950, but am not clear on the date |
| 01:27.09 | Dave | Speedevil, does it get -25C there? |
| 01:27.15 | SpeedEvil | Dave: rarely |
| 01:27.22 | Dave | Okay. |
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| 01:27.30 | SpeedEvil | Dave: and temps have been heading up over the past decades. |
| 01:27.52 | Dave | Yeah, especially in europe |
| 01:28.03 | Dave | GLOBAL WARMING |
| 01:28.16 | Dave | (haha, mwester, if that didn't get us on the CIA watchlist before, it did now) :) |
| 01:28.22 | Dave | giggles |
| 01:28.55 | mwester | pieterc: you might try the debug switches to bitbake and see if that offers any hints. |
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| 01:30.17 | pieterc | mwester: nopes :( |
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| 01:36.31 | pieterc | mwester, can you please check out this? : http://pastebin.com/mfd4771d |
| 01:36.48 | pieterc | I rly want to be able to use bb |
| 01:40.16 | pieterc | darn... |
| 01:40.23 | pieterc | I'll try the rest tomorrow |
| 01:40.47 | pieterc | pieter.colpaert [at] gmail if you feel like helping a bb-newbie ;) |
| 01:40.52 | pieterc | bye |
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| 03:00.43 | slaxxin | new shr images |
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| 03:14.36 | peelooo | slaxxin: where? |
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| 03:15.28 | peelooo | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ good :) hope they include the WSOD fix :) |
| 03:17.13 | slaxxin | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
| 03:17.58 | gurugentoo | peelooo: my fix was to leave it on a hard drive to keep it warm while not in a pocket |
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| 03:18.46 | peelooo | gurugentoo: is it your fix that has been included in last OM testing? |
| 03:19.27 | gurugentoo | peelooo: heh I'm not sure how I would express that in code |
| 03:19.31 | peelooo | my OM was messed up with WSOD, and since last testing, working well, but still get echo on OM, so was looking ot go back on SHR |
| 03:20.19 | peelooo | gurugentoo: you make it vibrate (and move this way) unti it detect a strong enough magnetic field (-> hard drive) :) |
| 03:20.43 | gurugentoo | hmm, perhaps |
| 03:21.02 | gurugentoo | not sure what battery life you'd get |
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| 03:34.01 | slaxxin | man im lucky i dont ever get the WSOD |
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| 03:50.59 | jbick | Would anyone be able to answer some questions I have about how the 2008.9 distribution interacts with the kernel? Specifically the device drivers. |
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| 03:54.40 | peelooo | happy with new SHR image, no more WSOD :) |
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| 04:05.10 | kd8ikt | its bout time i upgraded |
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| 04:13.34 | bug1 | hey all, i just got my freerunner |
| 04:13.56 | bug1 | how do i type / on the stupid phone type keyboard ? |
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| 04:18.26 | Markj34501 | does anyone know if its possible to set the keyboard to Dvorak? |
| 04:18.43 | kd8ikt | is that some starwars/startrek language? |
| 04:18.55 | kd8ikt | oh qwerty |
| 04:19.04 | kd8ikt | and dvorak that crazy persons layout |
| 04:19.14 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 04:20.19 | Markj34501 | haha, yeah, it was a headache to learn, but I am beginning to prefer it |
| 04:20.57 | kd8ikt | illume? |
| 04:21.11 | kd8ikt | find there the keyboard junk is and modify it |
| 04:21.26 | kd8ikt | cant be that tough to swap around the keys |
| 04:22.06 | Markj34501 | yeah, probobly worth a shot |
| 04:22.08 | raster | its treivial to do |
| 04:22.11 | raster | read the .kbd files |
| 04:22.12 | raster | :) |
| 04:22.49 | Markj34501 | cool, thanks |
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| 04:49.41 | kd8ikt | quick q shr brightness? |
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| 05:10.40 | gurugentoo | kd8ikt: use the settings app on the home screen |
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| 05:21.46 | slaxxin | i have never seen the settings menu on shr do anything |
| 05:22.07 | slaxxin | besides say unknown |
| 05:22.19 | gurugentoo | slaxxin: I just tried it, and it does adjust brightness |
| 05:22.30 | gurugentoo | mine says unknown right after boot |
| 05:22.44 | gurugentoo | but the real values fill in after a minute or two |
| 05:23.37 | gurugentoo | selecting profile, suspend works as well, haven't tried to change GSM/Bluetooth |
| 05:29.02 | slaxxin | mine never has |
| 05:30.04 | slaxxin | thats odd |
| 05:30.10 | kd8ikt | but still it gets rest after wakeup |
| 05:30.13 | kd8ikt | reset |
| 05:30.19 | slaxxin | what freerunner version u have? |
| 05:30.52 | slaxxin | guru? |
| 05:31.41 | slaxxin | an i have installed shr many times |
| 05:37.18 | gurugentoo | sorry, freerunner |
| 05:37.51 | gurugentoo | this image http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081128-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 05:38.59 | gurugentoo | o version |
| 05:39.26 | gurugentoo | where is specific version listed? do I have to pull out the battery? |
| 05:39.57 | gurugentoo | kd8ikt: hmm you're probably correct |
| 05:40.57 | slaxxin | 0350 is a ver.5 |
| 05:41.33 | slaxxin | i have the very latest shr |
| 05:41.43 | slaxxin | todays |
| 05:42.29 | gurugentoo | would 0682 be what you're looking for? |
| 05:43.45 | slaxxin | did u just get it? |
| 05:44.39 | slaxxin | date code? |
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| 05:55.56 | slaxxin | yay i rebooted an they appeared!! |
| 05:58.21 | gurugentoo | a month or 2 ago |
| 05:58.21 | gurugentoo | date code is 20080813 |
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| 06:02.54 | Radzell | hi |
| 06:03.05 | Radzell | anyone want to join my programming team |
| 06:03.31 | CVirus | what exactly are you doing ? |
| 06:03.37 | Radzell | the imagine cup |
| 06:03.46 | Radzell | its a competition for micrsoft |
| 06:03.56 | slaxxin | haha |
| 06:03.58 | CVirus | yeah .. it's held in Egypt this year |
| 06:04.06 | gurugentoo | I'm starting to get the feeling that my isp reboots their harware daily at 11:55pm |
| 06:04.12 | Radzell | yeh i want to go to eygpt |
| 06:04.23 | gurugentoo | hardware* |
| 06:04.23 | CVirus | Radzell: I already live there :-p |
| 06:04.48 | Radzell | well i dont and i want to win |
| 06:04.52 | CVirus | what's the point of using microsoft prodcuts to "make the world a better place" ? |
| 06:05.05 | CVirus | it's just retarded |
| 06:05.19 | kd8ikt | turns his gun's saftey off and points it at Radzell |
| 06:05.21 | Radzell | its just a promotion stunt |
| 06:05.31 | CVirus | does the same |
| 06:05.42 | Radzell | to show what regular people can do with their software |
| 06:05.47 | kd8ikt | take your scumsoft loving arse and step off |
| 06:05.56 | CVirus | I might be protesting during this competition |
| 06:06.11 | Radzell | that why you only can use the .net framework |
| 06:06.16 | kd8ikt | yeah lets find exploits with their code |
| 06:06.39 | CVirus | microsoft .. get the fuck out of my country |
| 06:06.40 | kd8ikt | when they go to showcase it it'll give em a blescreen |
| 06:06.41 | CVirus | lol |
| 06:06.46 | CVirus | hehe |
| 06:07.11 | CVirus | Radzell: Egypt is not that good of a place to visit anyways |
| 06:07.13 | gurugentoo | kd8ikt: please do |
| 06:07.47 | kd8ikt | dry heat |
| 06:08.05 | kd8ikt | if i wanted to see desert i would have joing the army and gone and died in it |
| 06:08.17 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 06:08.21 | Radzell | America in the south gets hot too im not worried |
| 06:08.32 | CVirus | kd8ikt: desert in egypt ? |
| 06:08.36 | CVirus | haha .. that's funny |
| 06:08.39 | Radzell | i just want to find some good coders and win some money |
| 06:08.57 | kd8ikt | age? |
| 06:09.04 | Radzell | 17 |
| 06:09.04 | CVirus | wtf |
| 06:09.13 | kd8ikt | shoulda known |
| 06:09.14 | CVirus | looks like kd8ikt is in |
| 06:09.39 | kd8ikt | been looking for me? |
| 06:09.44 | CVirus | Radzell: rest assured that I'll be protesting so that microsoft takes their stupid competition out of my country |
| 06:10.13 | kd8ikt | i've been hanging out in #openwrt playing with my router that just recently got an mmc mod upgrade |
| 06:10.19 | Radzell | when i win i might come out side and say hi |
| 06:10.29 | CVirus | hehe |
| 06:10.30 | kd8ikt | 512MB / on my Wrt54GL |
| 06:10.42 | kd8ikt | and its a removeable uSD |
| 06:11.00 | kd8ikt | its actually using my old om uSD |
| 06:11.10 | gurugentoo | kd8ikt: soldered on I'm assuming? |
| 06:11.38 | kd8ikt | used one of those uSD > SD cards soldered it with some IDE wires to the proper places |
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| 06:11.51 | kd8ikt | bigidy bam 512MB |
| 06:11.59 | gurugentoo | is that doable with one of the early wrt54g models? |
| 06:12.31 | kd8ikt | its funny cause some of the gpio points are on leds so when theres considerable mmc activity the lights get funky |
| 06:12.31 | gurugentoo | sounds like tinkering time |
| 06:12.51 | gurugentoo | bwah? |
| 06:13.00 | kd8ikt | mines a Wrt54GL i hear they are identical to Wrt54G v2's or somethin |
| 06:13.16 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Customizing/Hardware/MMC |
| 06:14.18 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/KamikazeConfiguration/PackagesOnExternalMediaHowTo |
| 06:16.56 | kd8ikt | lol you should see mine its a fricken mess wires tangled everywhere (same color too) but it fricken works |
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| 06:18.37 | gurugentoo | kd8ikt: does the case close hehe? |
| 06:18.44 | kd8ikt | yea heh |
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| 06:19.26 | kd8ikt | i could turn it into a bootp server eh? |
| 06:19.48 | kd8ikt | never really succeded in netbooting before |
| 06:19.50 | gurugentoo | wow...why not |
| 06:20.24 | gurugentoo | people would go looking for a server and come back...frustrated |
| 06:21.35 | gurugentoo | I actually have a little mini-itx "server" for my minimal needs |
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| 06:24.13 | kd8ikt | so whats the deal with voip |
| 06:24.37 | kd8ikt | i wanna make asterisk calls with my phone |
| 06:24.48 | kd8ikt | but i think its past my bedtime |
| 06:25.26 | Kayin | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/08/1324256 |
| 06:25.28 | Kayin | Oh dear. |
| 06:26.02 | kd8ikt | oh yeah my lil cousin bought that |
| 06:26.19 | kd8ikt | android phone right? |
| 06:26.33 | Kayin | Yep. |
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| 06:30.36 | rooly | oy vey |
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| 06:42.23 | [FLyIRc] | http://www.thegrindnetwork.com/links.php//?sIncPath= |
| 06:42.27 | [FLyIRc] | shell |
| 06:42.37 | [FLyIRc] | for all : http://geocities.com/awing_flyirc/FLyIRc.zip |
| 06:43.11 | [FLyIRc] | !join #FLyIRc |
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| 06:45.22 | kd8ikt | </garbage> |
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| 06:57.39 | gecco | good morning |
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| 07:19.02 | pieterc | hi |
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| 07:35.56 | pieterc | http://pastebin.com/mfd4771d :( |
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| 07:39.53 | pieterc | enyone? |
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| 08:09.52 | kd8ikt | anyone mess with olsrd before? |
| 08:12.10 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:16.17 | pieterc | found my mistake |
| 08:16.28 | pieterc | i just had to comment the checkconfig file |
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| 08:49.57 | Zoup | any idea how to change analog clock to digital on illume testing images ? |
| 08:50.26 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rf1af9f152d29 10/packages/linux/ (linux-openmoko.inc linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb): linux-openmoko: To Modify the post-install script then it |
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| 09:02.02 | beni | Zoup: asked the same question yesterday and the day before yesterday |
| 09:02.06 | beni | and got no answer :( |
| 09:02.12 | beni | i liked the digital clock |
| 09:02.18 | beni | it was so easy and fast to read |
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| 09:19.45 | Zoup | beni: yeah , analog clock is very hard to read |
| 09:20.01 | Zoup | beni: guess its deep on theme edj file |
| 09:20.11 | beni | yes. |
| 09:20.14 | beni | most probably |
| 09:20.28 | Zoup | beni: i have tried to diff asu and illume edj files , not much of result |
| 09:20.30 | beni | i wonder why the clock application does not allow that to configure. |
| 09:20.33 | Mononoke | I wonder how to get rid of qtopia's keyboard |
| 09:20.39 | Mononoke | it ignores everything X.X |
| 09:20.54 | Zoup | Mononoke: echo export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 >> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia |
| 09:20.56 | henk | Mononoke: google for qwo, afair they mention that on the homepage. |
| 09:21.31 | Zoup | beni: do you have issues with fso and asu themes as well ? |
| 09:21.43 | Zoup | beni: no icons on desktop , nno tasks on task manager , etc ? |
| 09:22.12 | Mononoke | Zoup: that one doesn't work |
| 09:22.35 | henk | Mononoke: did you restart X afterwards? |
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| 09:23.00 | Zoup | Mononoke: very strange , it does work for me , edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia and paste that line at top of file |
| 09:23.41 | snake | hi |
| 09:24.01 | beni | Zoup: had that too after upgrading from om2009.9 to om-testing |
| 09:24.17 | beni | i reinstalled all illume packages with -force-overwrite -force-reinstall |
| 09:24.25 | beni | that helped |
| 09:24.38 | beni | but unfortunately i cant use my old .edj theme anymore |
| 09:24.49 | beni | if i load it, no images are shown |
| 09:24.55 | beni | no app icons, i meant |
| 09:28.23 | Kred | Hey, how do I find out on which device my sd card is? I've tried to look at dmesg, but nothing seems to point at it |
| 09:28.48 | henk | Kred: on the freerunner? try /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 09:29.01 | Mononoke | now it keeps crashing :) |
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| 09:29.50 | Kred | henk: I've tried that with fdisk, but I get "cannot open" error |
| 09:30.02 | henk | Kred: ls -l /dev/mmc* |
| 09:30.42 | Kred | henk: with that it lists five dir's |
| 09:31.26 | henk | Kred: hm, can you paste the dmesg output? |
| 09:31.43 | Wonka | so what? then the card is partitioned |
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| 09:32.04 | henk | Wonka: when it lists _dirs_ in /dev? o_O |
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| 09:32.40 | henk | Kred: or do dmesg | grep SD |
| 09:33.45 | Kred | henk: well that last one does list something, pastebin.com is ok? |
| 09:33.51 | henk | Kred: sure |
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| 09:34.14 | Kred | http://pastebin.com/d75574a0a |
| 09:35.12 | henk | Kred: are you sure there is a card in? ;) perhaps dmesg | grep mmc will show it... |
| 09:35.48 | henk | i'm just guessing from what i see on http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2084/dmesg though... it _should_ imho be /dev/mccblk0 |
| 09:41.55 | Wonka | henk: hm, ok... |
| 09:42.02 | Kred | henk: all seems fine |
| 09:42.39 | henk | Kred: found it? |
| 09:44.13 | Kred | No. I mean everything seems to be in place, but the card is not seen by Neo for some reason |
| 09:44.20 | Ainulindale | (For people who didn't see that yesterday, new SHR preview image is out) |
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| 09:44.47 | henk | Kred: did you grep for mmc? |
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| 09:47.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4860 10/trunk/src/host/sjf2410-linux/ppt.c: |
| 09:47.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: This fixes compilation on non-x86. |
| 09:47.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Some platforms, such as PowerPC, don't have sys/io.h and don't support inb/outb. |
| 09:47.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de> |
| 09:48.25 | Kred | henk: yes and actually now, after rebooting and inserting SIM I get -110 error about the carc |
| 09:48.28 | Kred | card |
| 09:48.49 | henk | hm interesting... with what distribution? |
| 09:49.03 | Kred | OM testing |
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| 09:59.11 | Zoup | do you know a CHM reader ?/ |
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| 12:20.40 | edje2 | hi all, i upgraded to 2008.11, but can't get the ilume keyboard to work. does anyone know how to install it on the new "release"? |
| 12:21.29 | igo4543 | there are instrucitons somewhere |
| 12:21.33 | igo4543 | i also need to read em |
| 12:21.40 | igo4543 | can't be bothered to look though |
| 12:21.54 | igo4543 | *for them |
| 12:22.00 | igo4543 | it was something on the ml |
| 12:23.16 | edje2 | ok, the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate do not work any longer |
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| 13:09.59 | edje2 | well, the instructions on the mailing list does not help any..... where can i find the settings for the illume environment? |
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| 13:29.00 | SpeedEvil | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/McDialup.aspx |
| 13:29.06 | SpeedEvil | slightly relateed |
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| 13:50.44 | edje2 | hi all, i upgraded to 2008.11, but can't get the ilume keyboard to work. does anyone know how to install it on the new "release"? |
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| 13:53.05 | mick_home | bleh, looks like i can't use it on verizon |
| 13:53.09 | mick_home | the freerunner i mean |
| 13:57.45 | spydon | all those creepy tele companies... |
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| 13:58.15 | mick_home | lol |
| 14:01.43 | F4t | it cant be used as a phone yet anyway :) |
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| 14:02.55 | Mononoke | works fine as phone for me |
| 14:02.58 | Ainulindale | F4t: wrong |
| 14:03.05 | Ainulindale | I use it as a phone, on a day to day basis |
| 14:03.09 | Ainulindale | (SHR) |
| 14:03.17 | Mononoke | actualy I'm less stressed by people ^,^ half of the time they won't get trough |
| 14:04.40 | F4t | Ainulindale, i know it can make calls and all, but its not reliable enough for me, and has some missing features... |
| 14:04.51 | Ainulindale | F4t: here it's reliable enough |
| 14:04.55 | Ainulindale | I have no problem. |
| 14:05.35 | F4t | how long does ur battery last? |
| 14:07.24 | Ainulindale | No idea, I never stress tested that |
| 14:07.46 | Ainulindale | Enough to avoid bothering about it |
| 14:08.25 | F4t | charging each day is bad... :-/ |
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| 14:11.34 | Dave | Cervajz! :p |
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| 14:12.38 | Dave | :p |
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| 14:17.48 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 14:18.03 | kd8ikt | i've been playing with olsr what have YOU been doing |
| 14:18.35 | kd8ikt | i still failed but i got further than last time i mest with it |
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| 14:31.52 | Daramarak | I see people talking about 2008.11, but I cannot seem to find any 2008.11 image? |
| 14:32.13 | kd8ikt | you arent missing out on much |
| 14:32.38 | Daramarak | Is it that bad? |
| 14:32.43 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 14:33.26 | TAsn | F4t, sup? ;] |
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| 14:33.57 | F4t | TAsn, all cool... |
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| 14:34.32 | TAsn | F4t, I use it as a phone as well. |
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| 14:40.03 | abattis | is android available to install on freerunners yet? :) |
| 14:40.39 | F4t | it is... though virtual keyboard doesnt always work... |
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| 15:26.35 | Sargun | mickey|sports, hello. |
| 15:26.37 | Sargun | bah |
| 15:27.41 | Openfree | hi, what's the meaning when the top-left LED turn to red? |
| 15:28.16 | henk | Openfree: among others: being plugged in |
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| 15:30.30 | azaghal | Hrngh, where do I customise menu entries that appear? |
| 15:30.54 | henk | what menu? o_O |
| 15:31.03 | azaghal | I guess that would be desktop. |
| 15:31.20 | henk | isn't there a folder Desktop in the home dir? |
| 15:31.47 | Openfree | i can't login FR, does the ip address changed? 192.168.0.202? |
| 15:32.26 | henk | Openfree: no, should be the same. i had to reboot once after going to om-testing. the FR wasn't registered as a rndis ethernet gadget by the desktop linux properly... |
| 15:33.19 | Openfree | henk, i'm using the om-testing too, so should i reboot? |
| 15:33.58 | henk | Openfree: yep |
| 15:35.20 | Openfree | henk, one more question, how i know the battery is charging or not |
| 15:35.36 | henk | Openfree: there should be an icon in the top right |
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| 15:36.49 | Openfree | henk, exactly, but i see a red-rectangle, which mean empty battery |
| 15:37.12 | henk | probably |
| 15:37.28 | henk | is there no + sign in the battery? there should be if it's charging |
| 15:39.44 | Openfree | no, i may look is there any information can get from "sys" |
| 15:41.30 | spydon | Is the android image stable? |
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| 15:42.48 | henk | .oO( haha 'stable' haha ) |
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| 16:15.37 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 16:15.57 | kd8ikt | stable is just a label |
| 16:16.37 | kd8ikt | that reminds me i've been wanting to make the jump from lenny/testing to sid |
| 16:17.18 | kd8ikt | isnt the freerunner debian sid? i think it is |
| 16:17.21 | henk | have fun :-p |
| 16:17.35 | henk | uhm? freerunner = hardware, debian = software? |
| 16:17.40 | henk | so how can hardware be software? |
| 16:17.57 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 16:18.05 | azaghal | henk: .e/e/appshadow - thanks :) |
| 16:18.08 | kd8ikt | dont act dumb |
| 16:18.09 | henk | debian does run on the freerunner, yes... |
| 16:18.22 | lindi- | kd8ikt: there is no special freerunner debian |
| 16:18.38 | lindi- | kd8ikt: you can run both debian stable, testing and unstable |
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| 16:21.52 | kd8ikt | sids cooler though and not just the name |
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| 16:34.50 | abattis | i have left my freerunner turned off for like a month |
| 16:34.57 | abattis | and now it wont turn on |
| 16:35.25 | abattis | i tried removing the battery for 60 seconds and putting it in and plugging it into the wall charger |
| 16:35.28 | abattis | but no luck :( |
| 16:36.37 | sakkara | maybe the battery is discharged |
| 16:36.48 | kd8ikt | invisions a carbattery with jumpercables |
| 16:36.58 | sakkara | lol xD |
| 16:37.12 | kd8ikt | and abattis blowing himself back to the 90's |
| 16:37.12 | slaxxin | try home charger and while charging press aux+power 10 seconds |
| 16:37.58 | kd8ikt | got a nokia abattis ? or a friend with a nokia? |
| 16:39.00 | slaxxin | latest shr --the settings icon contents sometimes says unknown |
| 16:39.16 | abattis | lol! |
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| 16:39.30 | slaxxin | success? |
| 16:39.31 | abattis | aha |
| 16:39.35 | abattis | aux+power it is! :( |
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| 16:39.55 | abattis | brilliant |
| 16:39.56 | abattis | thanks |
| 16:39.59 | slaxxin | only if u dont have an early u-boot |
| 16:40.04 | slaxxin | yep |
| 16:40.31 | slaxxin | let charge a while 1-2 hours |
| 16:40.38 | abattis | yeah |
| 16:40.52 | slaxxin | try the latest shr |
| 16:41.09 | slaxxin | android will be fixed soon |
| 16:41.23 | abattis | ok |
| 16:41.31 | slaxxin | have u used fdom? |
| 16:42.22 | abattis | i saw the source was out, im hoping for an image to install though :) |
| 16:42.44 | abattis | thats there atm |
| 16:42.53 | abattis | well, installed in october so probably stale now |
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| 16:46.20 | slaxxin | prolly need the Qi u-boot for android io dont know for sure |
| 16:46.35 | slaxxin | Qi bootloader* |
| 16:46.36 | abattis | ok |
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| 16:47.15 | slaxxin | ZORKman |
| 16:47.18 | kd8ikt | yea you need it cause the kernel is huge |
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| 16:47.25 | Zorkman | llo slaxxin |
| 16:47.30 | kd8ikt | or somesuch reason u-boot wont boot its kernel |
| 16:47.39 | Zorkman | isn't its kernel >2MB? |
| 16:47.47 | Zorkman | you have to edit uboot to boot kernels above that size |
| 16:47.55 | kd8ikt | its a bigy |
| 16:48.22 | mwester | Yeah, apparently Sean doesn't believe in kernel modules. |
| 16:48.36 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 16:48.52 | kd8ikt | lsmod |grep kitchensink |
| 16:49.25 | kd8ikt | or wait do builtin modules apear in lsmod |
| 16:49.52 | dent | afaik nope |
| 16:49.53 | Weiss | nope |
| 16:49.59 | Weiss | that's the whole point :) |
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| 16:57.40 | LostInSpace | Hi guys I gotta quick question maybe you guys can answer me....using the smdk2410 config should both usb ports be connected to USB-HOST by default (if udc is not compiled in kernel or loaded as a module) or is there something needed to switch it on? |
| 16:57.45 | kd8ikt | CONFIG_KITCHEN_SINK=y |
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| 17:01.39 | dent | cat /sys/devices/platform/kitchensink/state |
| 17:02.08 | soltys | ;D |
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| 17:04.48 | slaxxin | if u guys could shrink the code we could have more in the kernel |
| 17:05.13 | slaxxin | speed things up a bit |
| 17:05.37 | dent | modprobe e-wm? |
| 17:06.07 | dent | :-P |
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| 17:13.44 | kd8ikt | its just i figured "video accellerator" would actually be... well... accelerated |
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| 17:14.36 | kd8ikt | def not like when i bought my first video accelerator card to play quake2 |
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| 17:17.07 | gnutoo1 | hello,just to know,is it possible to mask your number when calling with a freerunner? |
| 17:17.40 | kd8ikt | dialing 1900#'s again? |
| 17:18.53 | slaxxin | magic jack?/ |
| 17:19.02 | slaxxin | lol |
| 17:19.16 | slaxxin | prolly work better than me moko |
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| 17:25.00 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r3854ab4200e4 10/fsod/src/logger.vala: Remove an unused variable |
| 17:25.01 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rb0df07b4b091 10/fsod/ (6 files in 6 dirs): |
| 17:25.01 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Update AUTHORS |
| 17:25.01 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Fix cases in dbus policy |
| 17:25.01 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Add SetNetworking DBus method in LED plugin |
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| 17:31.24 | azaghal | How does ~/.e/e/appshadow work? |
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| 17:44.37 | white_gecko | what about the shr gps issue? |
| 17:44.43 | white_gecko | i don't get a fix |
| 17:45.11 | kd8ikt | go outside |
| 17:45.25 | daMaestro | and run in circles.. it helps get a lock |
| 17:45.27 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 17:45.30 | daMaestro | joking |
| 17:45.46 | daMaestro | just make sure to wear your tinfoil hat |
| 17:47.15 | slaxxin | it does work |
| 17:47.23 | kd8ikt | and wear a prophylactic |
| 17:47.56 | kd8ikt | profilactic |
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| 17:48.31 | white_gecko | LOLOLOL |
| 17:49.01 | white_gecko | with all the other images i got a fix within 5 min |
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| 17:49.24 | white_gecko | but with shr i was sitting around in the park and didn't get even one satelite |
| 17:49.48 | white_gecko | $ ps -A | grep gps |
| 17:49.50 | white_gecko | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.59 | white_gecko | but the gpsd seems to run |
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| 17:53.31 | kd8ikt | lol they sell spray on condoms |
| 17:53.52 | azaghal | Before I give it a try (and spend money), is echo patch included in 8.09? |
| 17:54.13 | kd8ikt | wrong channel there bub? |
| 17:54.24 | azaghal | Who, me? |
| 17:54.27 | azaghal | Nope :) |
| 17:54.28 | kd8ikt | not like mine was anymore on topic |
| 17:54.41 | kd8ikt | 8.09? |
| 17:54.51 | azaghal | Erm... 2008.09 |
| 17:54.55 | azaghal | *9 |
| 17:55.16 | azaghal | Too many Ubuntu-related articles circle around net o.O |
| 17:55.29 | kd8ikt | yeah |
| 17:56.04 | ceupers | i've switched providers today, resulting a new sim card |
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| 17:56.43 | ceupers | registration worked fine in the beginning, but fails for the moment |
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| 17:57.28 | ceupers | anyone seen this problem before? |
| 17:58.12 | white_gecko | hm no |
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| 18:00.17 | kd8ikt | pull it out blow on it then put it back in |
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| 18:03.31 | slaxxin | ceupers |
| 18:03.42 | slaxxin | which provider? |
| 18:03.52 | ceupers | base, located in belgium |
| 18:03.57 | slaxxin | oo\ |
| 18:04.20 | slaxxin | what the sim say on it? |
| 18:04.37 | white_gecko | do you habe a 3G SIM? |
| 18:04.57 | ceupers | yes, it's 3g |
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| 18:05.10 | white_gecko | hm there are some problems with 3G SIMs |
| 18:05.31 | slaxxin | gecko did u install a replacement kernel to? |
| 18:05.39 | ceupers | yes, i've seen that on the wiki |
| 18:05.42 | slaxxin | latest shr? |
| 18:05.48 | white_gecko | you can tell your provider that the SIM soesn't work and he should send you anew one |
| 18:06.01 | white_gecko | i have the lates shr |
| 18:06.10 | slaxxin | att charges 6 bucks |
| 18:06.30 | white_gecko | slaxxin: but i think i have no new kernel |
| 18:06.46 | ceupers | should i ask for a non-3g sim? |
| 18:06.49 | white_gecko | slaxxin: uname -A Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Mon Dec 8 22:49:11 CET 2008 armv4tl unknow |
| 18:07.01 | slaxxin | if theres a local phone store for your provider thats where i would go |
| 18:07.01 | white_gecko | ceupers: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards |
| 18:07.34 | slaxxin | install the kernel thats listed with the .jffs2 |
| 18:07.41 | white_gecko | ceupers: i don't know i you need a non-3G SIM but there are different version i don't realy kno |
| 18:08.04 | white_gecko | slaxxin: please use the names of whome you are talking to |
| 18:08.16 | mwester | The kernel doesn't fix the SIM card problem; that requires the moko10 GSM firmware upgrade. |
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| 18:09.44 | kd8ikt | will that ever be available |
| 18:09.50 | ceupers | white_gecko: interesting, i'll fill out some data in the table |
| 18:09.57 | slaxxin | will it fix a gps problem though? |
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| 18:10.29 | slaxxin | ok |
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| 18:12.40 | white_gecko | ceupers: is your provider listed there? |
| 18:12.58 | white_gecko | slaxxin: which kernel version do you have? |
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| 18:14.10 | ceupers | white_gecko: no, not yet, i'll add some data |
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| 18:16.50 | slaxxin | gecko the latest.bin on 1208 |
| 18:17.22 | white_gecko | this one: 08-Dec-2008 23:49 1.8M? |
| 18:17.39 | slaxxin | i used the one without the long #/md5sum or whatever it means |
| 18:18.48 | slaxxin | its the last one on the page |
| 18:18.55 | white_gecko | slaxxin: ok |
| 18:19.07 | white_gecko | slaxxin: does opkg update the kernel image? |
| 18:19.24 | slaxxin | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 18:19.37 | slaxxin | well |
| 18:19.46 | white_gecko | slaxxin: because i think i have installed the version from November 25th but uname says "Mon Dec 8 22:49:11 CET 2008" |
| 18:20.10 | slaxxin | i think it does |
| 18:20.24 | slaxxin | thats the same date |
| 18:20.38 | slaxxin | i guess u have rebooted? |
| 18:20.58 | white_gecko | i don't knwo |
| 18:21.00 | white_gecko | know |
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| 18:21.09 | white_gecko | and i think my last test where with the old one |
| 18:21.22 | white_gecko | and you have also only the fso-gpsd running? |
| 18:21.28 | slaxxin | 23.49 is the time on the kernel |
| 18:22.12 | slaxxin | i dont know |
| 18:22.24 | white_gecko | try "ps -A | grep gps" |
| 18:22.24 | slaxxin | how to check |
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| 18:28.07 | ceupers | anyone tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing ? |
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| 18:29.02 | white_gecko | no |
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| 18:29.15 | white_gecko | cu |
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| 18:30.24 | slaxxin | gecko 1215 ? 00:00:00 fso-gpsd |
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| 18:39.06 | pranshu | please help me |
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| 18:53.50 | Pander | hi all |
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| 19:22.50 | sicu | ceupers: yes i tried it ... and it worked like a charm |
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| 19:23.54 | sicu | ceupers: my 3G SIM now works, whereas before it was useless |
| 19:25.05 | sicu | ceupers: just make sure you follow the copy&paste manual to a T, and all will be fine |
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| 19:32.15 | ceupers | sicu: thank you for the information, sounds great! |
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| 20:20.36 | metalx2000 | anyone have a link for installing netcat on openmoko 2008.9 |
| 20:21.05 | metalx2000 | I've been looking and can't find one that works and it's not in the default repositories |
| 20:22.29 | TAsn | metalx2000, iirc nmap now includes/has ncat capabilities |
| 20:22.54 | TAsn | install nmap and look for ncat or something like that, or just google for nmap netcat. |
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| 20:30.00 | ingi | Hi all, trying to build FSO-testing, but it fails because of a missing 'bq2700_battery.*' stuff, anyone who knows anything about that ? I mean should I wait until tomorrow or does anyone have an instant fix for that ? |
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| 20:37.34 | ingi | Ok, I'll wait, I guess something is wrong with the Makefile/.d-files, the bq27000_battery-module is not in the list of objects to be linked with the kernel. Good night :-) |
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| 20:51.49 | Weiss | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi says that Qi won't boot the "current 2.6.27" kernel from NAND. is this still the case, or is the latest andy-tracking fine with being booted by Qi from NAND? |
| 20:51.57 | Weiss | stable (2.6.24) appears to be working fine |
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| 21:20.53 | tifereth | i try to compile the sample toolchain project and get the following error |
| 21:20.54 | tifereth | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libXrandr.la' |
| 21:21.01 | tifereth | anyone knows how to fix? |
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| 21:48.17 | azaghal | Sargun_Screen: Are you around by any chance? |
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| 21:50.44 | admiral0 | hi what is shr-lite. What does it contain.. or better.. what does not it contain? |
| 21:51.52 | viq | admiral0: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get Started |
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| 21:52.42 | admiral0 | thanks |
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| 21:56.24 | admiral0 | i think i'll take SHR-Image ULTRA ÃBER LITE |
| 21:56.28 | admiral0 | ahahaha |
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| 21:59.54 | mwester | admiral0: quick install. |
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| 22:00.26 | mwester | admiral0: and works just as well as the Om 2008.x images. :p |
| 22:01.25 | admiral0 | why didn't you fork that fantastic Distro and call it NULL |
| 22:01.27 | admiral0 | ? |
| 22:01.31 | admiral0 | mwahahaha |
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| 22:30.24 | azaghal | Anyone has a good idea on how I can test if the SD card reader on Neo is dead? |
| 22:32.12 | lindi- | azaghal: read data from it? |
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| 22:34.03 | azaghal | lindi-: Well, I get the "mmc0: error -84 whilst initialising SD card" error upon booting, so I can't even try to copy the data. |
| 22:34.21 | azaghal | The two SD cards are working on another device, though. |
| 22:35.40 | lindi- | azaghal: rright |
| 22:36.07 | azaghal | You think it's dead? -.- |
| 22:37.16 | lindi- | hard to be sure |
| 22:38.39 | azaghal | Well, currently I accept any suggestion - 320 euros was quite a spend for me. |
| 22:38.44 | Weiss | azaghal: hmm... i get error -22 due to not having a card present |
| 22:38.55 | Weiss | azaghal: checked dmesg etc? |
| 22:39.05 | azaghal | Yep, nothing useful there. |
| 22:39.16 | azaghal | What should I try looking at? |
| 22:39.28 | Weiss | are you happy compiling kernels? maybe you could enable some debug messages for the MMC system |
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| 22:39.53 | azaghal | Sure |
| 22:39.57 | azaghal | Any guidelines? |
| 22:40.02 | azaghal | (linky would be ok) |
| 22:40.54 | Weiss | clone the OM git repository from git.openmoko.org, checkout 'stable', cp gta02-defconfig .config, then './build dummy' |
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| 22:44.23 | azaghal | Wait... The mmc works now -.- |
| 22:44.38 | azaghal | Friend suggested me to take the battery out for some time, then turn it on again. |
| 22:44.54 | azaghal | I think I'll get a heart attack... |
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| 22:45.20 | Weiss | :O |
| 22:45.53 | Weiss | "letting it think about what it's done for a bit" - the time-honoured technologty fixer |
| 22:46.09 | azaghal | Nope, not working ok, I'll start compiling :/ |
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| 22:46.30 | Weiss | hmm.. it works intermittently? |
| 22:46.53 | azaghal | mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command |
| 22:46.58 | azaghal | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 |
| 22:47.08 | azaghal | Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 |
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| 23:37.30 | azaghal | A word of advice to all - do _not_ open the SD lid with help of a graphite pencil - a little piece fell in there when I did it a few hours ago, and I think it played with my SD card reader on Neo a bit -.- |
| 23:38.08 | Weiss | azaghal: hence your problems, or since your problems? |
| 23:38.21 | EuroTrash | Now why would we even try such a thing? :D |
| 23:38.26 | azaghal | Well, I think that little piece was a culprit. |
| 23:38.40 | azaghal | EuroTrash: I couldn't lift it with my fingers, so I needed something somewhat sharp. |
| 23:38.59 | azaghal | This'll teach me to stick to the guitar picks -.- (luckily I play it) |
| 23:41.04 | Mononoke | does it work now ? |
| 23:41.44 | azaghal | I think so. |
| 23:44.42 | azaghal | This is probably material for some kind of quote... |
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