| 00:00.18 | igor321 | anyone else using shr? help me find this :) |
| 00:00.38 | johngay | Read your recent talk about E recently. Quite interesting. |
| 00:00.50 | raster | my talk? |
| 00:01.43 | jc | btw. is anyone working on dbus bindings for gsmd ? I'd like to use it in my distro |
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| 00:01.55 | johngay | At some embedded conf. Talking about embedded GUI's. |
| 00:02.06 | raster | ummm |
| 00:02.10 | raster | must be a while ago |
| 00:02.18 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3ff9dbe51bc0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/decor.py: ogsmd: disable frame depth inspection per default |
| 00:02.27 | mickeyl | gsmd is dead |
| 00:02.33 | raster | yeah |
| 00:02.37 | jc | qtopia is default now ? |
| 00:02.37 | raster | fso... |
| 00:02.38 | mickeyl | i don't see anyone writing anything for it |
| 00:02.38 | jc | not cool |
| 00:02.53 | mickeyl | ogsmd is heaps better |
| 00:03.02 | johngay | Kinda got the impression that you *are* E! |
| 00:03.29 | jc | ogsmd ? |
| 00:03.43 | mickeyl | gsm subsystem in frameworkd |
| 00:03.48 | jc | openmoko ? |
| 00:04.11 | mickeyl | funded by openmoko, yes |
| 00:04.14 | raster | johngay: i've done a sizable bit of work on it :) |
| 00:04.17 | mickeyl | major dbus interface |
| 00:04.24 | mickeyl | see docs.freesmartphone.org |
| 00:04.28 | balrog-kun | jc: gsmd is dead for a year or so |
| 00:04.29 | jc | I can't find any docs... |
| 00:04.41 | jc | balrog-kun but it works, kinda :) |
| 00:04.57 | johngay | Any chance for a stable release before Debian 10.5? |
| 00:04.59 | lindi- | jc: it doesn't do muxing |
| 00:04.59 | jc | and it seems dbus bindings are possible even simply by writing wrapper for gsm tool |
| 00:05.02 | jc | so almost done |
| 00:05.02 | mickeyl | points to docs.freesmartphone.org |
| 00:05.06 | balrog-kun | jc: well.. |
| 00:05.12 | balrog-kun | it doesn't work, kinda |
| 00:05.14 | balrog-kun | half full half empty :p |
| 00:05.17 | mickeyl | yep |
| 00:05.26 | jc | it can call and sms, that's what I care for :) |
| 00:05.28 | raster | johngay: it gets done when its done. |
| 00:05.38 | raster | johngay: there is a todo list/release plan |
| 00:05.41 | lindi- | jc: but so can ogsmd |
| 00:05.45 | raster | get that done and we can look at a release |
| 00:05.55 | [Rui] | mickeyl: a just works quickstart into bitbake builds would be just peachy! :) |
| 00:06.04 | balrog-kun | jc: ogsmd can do twice that much :p |
| 00:06.09 | mickeyl | [Rui]: heh |
| 00:06.19 | mickeyl | [Rui]: read gettingstarted already? :) |
| 00:06.39 | mickeyl | [OE, that is] |
| 00:06.50 | jc | so is there something little and standalone that just hooks to the modem when gsm is turned on, tracks its status and notifies about stuff and can be controlled via dbus ? |
| 00:06.57 | jc | and at the same time doesn't try to do everything |
| 00:07.06 | jc | just pure gsm deamon |
| 00:07.07 | [Rui] | mickeyl: has about a zillion btw-I-forgot-to-mention or oops-dead-link-there info, sadly |
| 00:07.11 | lindi- | jc: i have disabled every other subsystem of fso-frameworkd |
| 00:07.25 | jc | still it seems to be a whole framework |
| 00:07.32 | mickeyl | you can do |
| 00:07.35 | mickeyl | frameworkd -s ogsmd |
| 00:07.36 | [Rui] | mickeyl: the only thing I can get to build is what is downloaded. |
| 00:07.52 | [Rui] | make fso-console-image works. adding a new package... not so wel... |
| 00:07.52 | lindi- | mickeyl: but how do you suspend with that? |
| 00:07.58 | jc | I don't see that as the unix way... |
| 00:08.00 | mickeyl | not at all |
| 00:08.06 | mickeyl | but _if_ you want only gsm.... |
| 00:08.11 | mickeyl | :) |
| 00:08.23 | jc | I think the controlers should be separate |
| 00:08.31 | jc | but at the same time interconnected via dbus |
| 00:08.34 | lindi- | mickeyl: if i could send prepareForSuspend to ogsmd it would be enough |
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| 00:08.40 | jc | so you can choose components for the individual subsystems |
| 00:08.41 | mickeyl | that's what's actually happening |
| 00:08.47 | balrog-kun | jc: it's quite standalone |
| 00:08.55 | mickeyl | the components talk over dbus already |
| 00:09.03 | balrog-kun | not counting the easter egg flight simulator using opengl |
| 00:09.11 | igor321 | balrog-kun: lol |
| 00:09.12 | mickeyl | so if you have something better than ogsmd (unlikely atm.), just plug it in |
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| 00:09.24 | jc | so I can download the framework and compile it so I get a small gsm daemon that talks over dbus? |
| 00:09.34 | mickeyl | pretty much yeah |
| 00:09.38 | lindi- | jc: it's python so you don't even need to compile anything |
| 00:09.41 | mickeyl | for certain degrees of 'small' |
| 00:09.50 | jc | thats not cool too :) |
| 00:09.58 | jc | you get python broken and you can't call |
| 00:10.00 | mickeyl | [Rui]: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started should work. if not, send a bug report |
| 00:10.23 | mickeyl | in that case... continue gsmd |
| 00:10.28 | mickeyl | if that's working for you |
| 00:10.30 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 00:11.00 | jc | I think its just a shame that very important system components get to be written in a scripting language |
| 00:11.13 | [Rui] | mickeyl: when I'm 100% I didn't miss a key word/phrase I might, I think that the main problem is that there's information that is assumed one knows about OE and bitbaking. that doesn't help kickstarting a newbie |
| 00:11.17 | lindi- | jc: but since it's just talking dbus you can rewrite it in ada |
| 00:11.26 | jc | really purpose of gsmd is pretty simple, why overdo it ? |
| 00:11.35 | lindi- | jc: it's not because of bugs in gsm |
| 00:11.35 | jc | of course |
| 00:11.43 | lindi- | jc: it's full of bug workarounds and fixes |
| 00:11.45 | mickeyl | [Rui]: really? which part, please add a bug report, then we need to make this clearer |
| 00:11.57 | lindi- | jc: better check the source first |
| 00:11.59 | jc | gsm modem is that seriously buggy ? |
| 00:12.09 | lindi- | jc: yeah? |
| 00:12.19 | [Rui] | mickeyl: so far one key one is setting the TOPDIR env |
| 00:12.30 | [Rui] | mickeyl: I'm taking notes |
| 00:12.34 | jc | I thought you like track some 10 AT commands and events, save status and notify others via dbus/invoke commands upon request |
| 00:12.36 | lindi- | jc: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 is the worst to me |
| 00:12.37 | balrog-kun | it's not exactly simple, the AT command set is not simple even if the modem conforms |
| 00:12.38 | mickeyl | bed time for me now |
| 00:12.44 | lindi- | jc: reality is not so nice |
| 00:12.44 | mickeyl | lets do that another time |
| 00:12.55 | balrog-kun | i'd love to see it use just C like everyone else tho :p |
| 00:13.01 | mickeyl | TOPDIR is not mentioned and that page though |
| 00:13.07 | mickeyl | balrog-kun: me too |
| 00:13.12 | mickeyl | but guess what |
| 00:13.13 | jc | well modem is firmware upgradable afaik |
| 00:13.17 | balrog-kun | no time? |
| 00:13.25 | balrog-kun | ..fast prototyping |
| 00:13.27 | mickeyl | i'm so glad i didn't start it in C |
| 00:13.32 | jc | but I guess thats no solution since the docs are not legal to possess |
| 00:13.36 | lindi- | jc: yeah but the software running on the other arm chip is proprietary |
| 00:13.37 | mickeyl | i had no idea what i was up to |
| 00:13.41 | mickeyl | so now we have a stable API |
| 00:13.48 | jc | and that, yeah |
| 00:13.49 | lindi- | jc: nucleos real time operating system or something |
| 00:13.52 | mickeyl | and i know how things work |
| 00:13.56 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: true |
| 00:13.57 | mickeyl | so if i have lots of time next year |
| 00:14.01 | mickeyl | i'm actually going to rewrite it in Vala |
| 00:14.26 | [Rui] | mickeyl: good night! |
| 00:14.27 | balrog-kun | it's good to have a reference implementation |
| 00:14.28 | mickeyl | so we all can stop playing the language card :) |
| 00:14.33 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 00:14.35 | balrog-kun | in whatever language |
| 00:14.37 | lindi- | night |
| 00:14.41 | mickeyl | balrog-kun: *nod* with regression tests et. al. |
| 00:14.41 | jc | anyway I'll check the framework out when I have more time and see if I can integrate it, guess I'm still calling with my old phone :) |
| 00:14.50 | jc | thanks for discussion |
| 00:15.42 | balrog-kun | i hear that android running on HTC Vogue makes phonecalls and sends sms without any finetuning, i wonder if that can be reused |
| 00:16.40 | balrog-kun | ofcourse you need a kernel :) |
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| 00:18.37 | lindi- | jc: i wrote my own phone UI app, it's not so difficult |
| 00:20.29 | jc | lindi- yeah I intend to write missing parts of GUI in pygtk |
| 00:20.38 | lindi- | i used pygtk |
| 00:21.02 | jc | but I'm still learning python |
| 00:21.11 | jc | I long was a php/perl/ruby user |
| 00:21.23 | jc | but since python is kinda standard on om, and I don't like to mix it |
| 00:22.26 | lindi- | i don't use om but pygtk was familiar to me so i thought i'd use it |
| 00:22.43 | jc | I don't like the default distributions either |
| 00:23.02 | jc | so I'm going the LFS way :) |
| 00:23.09 | lindi- | good luck |
| 00:23.18 | jc | thanks, I'll need that |
| 00:23.26 | jc | for the time being, I use half working FDOM |
| 00:23.39 | lindi- | and try to report/fix bugs upstream as much as possible |
| 00:24.04 | jc | well I kinda thought about writing the dbus wrappers for gsmd but I didn't know about the framework |
| 00:24.19 | jc | and I guess the most serious stuff is the kernel stuff |
| 00:24.31 | jc | and I don't think I'll be able to help with that for a long time |
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| 00:25.40 | jc | anyway I have to go shower and sleep, school day tommorow :/ |
| 00:25.50 | jc | good night/day :) |
| 00:26.46 | igor321 | raster: any config files for changing the angine, since the gui way is removed in shr? |
| 00:27.07 | raster | igor321: load the conf_engines module |
| 00:27.16 | raster | otherwise its really compli0cated and i'm not going into it |
| 00:27.31 | raster | config files are binry blobs not meant to be fiddled with by users |
| 00:27.50 | igor321 | okay, i'll fiddle around |
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| 00:28.28 | raster | software_16 is faster - i know |
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| 00:38.56 | KenYoung | Dave? |
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| 01:21.31 | KenYoung | Does anyone know how to get rid of the message "Unknown HZ value! (85) Assume 100." ? |
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| 01:27.28 | Sargun | KenYoung, ignore it |
| 01:28.08 | KenYoung | Sargun, Well, it's rather annoying, even if it doesn't represent a real problem. |
| 01:28.42 | raster | know thy hz! |
| 01:29.05 | KenYoung | Doctor - It Hz when I do this... |
| 01:30.03 | Sargun | haha |
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| 01:31.47 | raster | hehehee |
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| 01:38.14 | Dave | Hi Ken |
| 01:38.57 | KenYoung | Hi Dave. I've uploaded a new version of orrery, which has the zoom problem fixed (I think!). It has a couple of new features too. |
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| 01:40.42 | Dave | ooh la la :D |
| 01:40.52 | Dave | download download download |
| 01:41.18 | KenYoung | Then send suggestions send suggestions send suggestions. |
| 01:41.33 | Dave | Ken, once panned and/or zoomed, is there any convenient way from the main screen to reorient to the default/original orientation? |
| 01:41.45 | Dave | :) |
| 01:42.50 | KenYoung | Dave, do you mean how can one unzoom, of how can one face exactly south, as is the original orientation? |
| 01:43.26 | KenYoung | oops should be "... or how can one face exactly ..." |
| 01:43.43 | Dave | More like that, assuming no time has passed (unrealistic, but bear with me here) :) |
| 01:44.05 | Dave | Assuming the user has no idea what the units of panning were originally or what they mean at all :) |
| 01:44.10 | Dave | or what direction is what |
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| 01:45.31 | KenYoung | Dave, I guess I'm a bit confused. You want a way to returned to the unzoomed state, facing exactly due south? |
| 01:46.54 | Dave | right |
| 01:46.55 | Dave | :) |
| 01:47.20 | Dave | I was wondering if there is an easy way to do that without relaunching the application (if the user doesn't know how to manually reorient it so) |
| 01:47.24 | Dave | Maybe this seems useless :p |
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| 01:50.41 | KenYoung | No, it does not seem useless. If you pan unzoomed, the pan steps are quantized in units of 5 degrees, so it is easy to pan back and face exactly south. However, when zoomed, the panning is not quantized. I should probably change the pan when you unzoom, so that it is an exact multiple of 5 degrees. Then it would be easy to set it to face exactly south again. |
| 01:52.26 | Dave | Maybe, I was just wondering, because yeah, what you described right there is exactly what happened to me :) |
| 01:52.47 | Dave | I couldn't quite get it back the way I thought it was, but it was close enough, I mean, I could see all the constellations that should be overhead :) |
| 01:52.54 | KenYoung | OK, I'll make that mod in the next version. |
| 01:52.56 | Dave | (provided one could see stars above here) |
| 01:53.01 | Dave | :\ |
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| 01:54.01 | KenYoung | Dave, Do you think it would be preferable to put a button under options, which would return to the default orientation and zoom? |
| 01:54.15 | Dave | Do we get a Zoom menu? :D |
| 01:54.26 | Dave | really wishes there were a right-click :| |
| 01:55.25 | KenYoung | Dave, Sadly, there is no room for a new menu tab. I could put a submenu under opts. |
| 01:56.10 | KenYoung | If I added a new menu tab to the main page, I'd have to shrink the fonts for the tab labels. |
| 01:57.02 | Dave | yeah, I know |
| 01:57.10 | Dave | no no, don't do that |
| 01:57.14 | Dave | it looks nice the way it is now |
| 01:57.32 | Dave | Let me think of something more useful to request of you in that department :D |
| 01:59.42 | KenYoung | Dave, which would you prefer to see in the next version: 1) A page which shows a schematic (circular orbits with wrong radii) diagram of the solar system, showing the position of each planet in its orbit or 2) Separate pages for each planet, showing things such as ring plane orientation in the sky, planetary moon positions, etc? |
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| 02:08.37 | Dave | I'd have to think on it :) |
| 02:08.44 | Dave | One sec, I'm fooling with orrery :) |
| 02:10.31 | Dave | Not sure if it's useful, but could you possibly add an option to display everyting in b/w, or is that not possible? |
| 02:10.38 | Dave | (I do like all the colors though, btw) |
| 02:11.12 | KenYoung | Dave, yes, I could do that. I could just re-initialize all the GCs. |
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| 02:12.47 | Dave | Is that possible to do without restarting? :) |
| 02:13.43 | KenYoung | Dave, I'll have to try it to see (or ask raster!). I think red and white would be more useful than black and white. |
| 02:14.29 | Dave | heh |
| 02:14.38 | Dave | I do like the colors though |
| 02:14.43 | raster | b&w is good! |
| 02:14.44 | raster | :) |
| 02:14.48 | raster | it'sn neutral |
| 02:14.53 | raster | doesn't offend anyone |
| 02:14.56 | raster | and its classing |
| 02:14.59 | Dave | :) |
| 02:15.02 | raster | i still thngk colors are good but used sparingly |
| 02:15.06 | Dave | Yeah raster likes it |
| 02:15.07 | raster | like for a clock hand |
| 02:15.11 | raster | or tacgho needle |
| 02:15.16 | raster | or on icons |
| 02:15.25 | raster | but more "spot color" |
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| 02:15.32 | raster | rather than some rainbow duplo thnig |
| 02:15.52 | Dave | One unfortunate thing, Ken, is when names in that gawdy green (which I really don't actually like but it makes them quite apparent), is when they overlap, and it's impossible to read anything, though with circular zoom it's not a big deal :) |
| 02:16.04 | Dave | Things tend to get "smushed" sometimes :) |
| 02:16.19 | Dave | though it's hardly a major issue |
| 02:17.13 | raster | ok... |
| 02:17.20 | raster | now i need a new button style for popup things |
| 02:17.40 | raster | or... do i... |
| 02:18.20 | Dave | :D |
| 02:18.28 | Dave | design master raster |
| 02:19.11 | raster | it has to say "stuff slides out from me for more options" |
| 02:19.17 | raster | and a normal pushbutton doesn't say that |
| 02:19.46 | KenYoung | Dave, Yes, we are all Rasterfarians here. I must bail. Please send comments! |
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| 02:19.53 | raster | then again... maybe it just need to be a button with a tiny change |
| 02:20.07 | raster | like an up/down arrow |
| 02:20.32 | Dave | :) |
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| 02:27.32 | Mononoke | finished reading about inteligent alarm-clocks... |
| 02:28.00 | Mononoke | how hard it would be to create small usb device reporting heartbeat for example ? |
| 02:29.05 | Dave | :o |
| 02:29.11 | Dave | Deadman's switch moko? |
| 02:29.19 | Dave | EKG Moko |
| 02:29.39 | Mononoke | nah just checking for sleep phases and waking up in "right" moment |
| 02:29.46 | Mononoke | problem would be battery as well :/ |
| 02:30.07 | Dave | oh, if it could last that long? |
| 02:30.14 | Mononoke | yep |
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| 02:34.23 | Mononoke | lol I just looked on price of such "intelligent" alarm |
| 02:34.41 | Mononoke | same or higer as moko X.X |
| 02:36.27 | Sargun | how do you think the new "open" Gphone is going to effect OM? |
| 02:39.15 | Mononoke | hmm actualy turning off gsm and other stuff, attaching moko to body (let's specify hand to not to get bad ideas) accelerometers could collect some data... |
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| 03:10.02 | jerry_adams | hi, i'm having problems with ubuntu and usb networking.... i'm doing it manually the simple way and have no luck what so ever. |
| 03:11.46 | Mononoke | you loaded usbnet module ? |
| 03:13.40 | jerry_adams | yeah. |
| 03:13.59 | Mononoke | you plugged in openmoko ? |
| 03:14.08 | jerry_adams | heh yes |
| 03:14.09 | raster | did you turn your moko on? |
| 03:14.13 | raster | is it unsuspended? |
| 03:14.29 | Mononoke | you probably have networkmanager on ubuntu so network manager reports getting ip ? |
| 03:14.45 | raster | oooh networkmanager may be fucking up |
| 03:14.48 | raster | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:14.48 | raster | sudo route add 192.168.0.202 dev usb0 |
| 03:14.52 | raster | but thats is all u need to make it work |
| 03:15.04 | Mononoke | all you need is to wait for NM fail and after that setup ip |
| 03:15.18 | Dave | yep |
| 03:15.25 | Mononoke | if you setup ip and yet you can't ping openmoko check dmesg |
| 03:15.28 | Dave | hehe |
| 03:15.44 | Mononoke | on some machines there is reported crash in usbnet :P |
| 03:15.50 | raster | or tell networkmanager to "Fuck off" |
| 03:15.51 | raster | :) |
| 03:15.53 | Mononoke | if there is error reload the module |
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| 03:18.07 | mwester | Are you allowed to say that to NetworkMangler? |
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| 03:19.12 | Dave | :) |
| 03:19.20 | raster | mwester: i am. :) |
| 03:19.45 | Dave | Naughty. |
| 03:20.01 | drjnut | right.... I also did it a long time ago... |
| 03:20.03 | jerry_adams | still no luck, when i try to ping the freerunner i get operation not permitted. |
| 03:20.08 | mwester | It scares me; I dare not make it angry. It's too much like the Windows network manager thingy. |
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| 03:20.24 | Mononoke | jerry_adams: sudo su and use root |
| 03:20.25 | Dave | :o |
| 03:20.40 | Dave | jerry, you're not jadams, are you? |
| 03:21.23 | jerry_adams | no, still operation not permitted. |
| 03:21.25 | Mononoke | jerry_adams: but if it's not permitted it failed so the dmesg thing :) |
| 03:21.51 | Mononoke | rmmod usbnet, if it's blocked by something first rmmod that |
| 03:22.36 | jerry_adams | firewall sorry. |
| 03:22.58 | Mononoke | meh who has by default blocked ping ? O.o |
| 03:23.16 | Dave | :D |
| 03:23.16 | jerry_adams | sorted now thanks. |
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| 03:30.35 | zash | my brain hurts :( |
| 03:34.09 | Mononoke | needs coffee |
| 03:35.04 | zash | sleep || coffee |
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| 03:36.17 | zash | OMG |
| 03:36.18 | zash | it worked |
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| 03:36.29 | zash | gawd damn rfc3156 |
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| 03:43.19 | daMaestro | any word on 2009.11? |
| 03:43.30 | daMaestro | also.. any short and sweet doom howtos? |
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| 03:45.53 | Toaster` | I just flashed the 2009-testing daily, and now I can't seem to ssh into me FR. Anyone else have similar issues? |
| 03:56.08 | daMaestro | ah i see the doom install is quite easy |
| 03:56.11 | daMaestro | Dave, ping |
| 03:58.12 | Sargun | daMaestro, pong |
| 03:58.27 | daMaestro | gets horribly confused |
| 03:59.10 | mwester | 2009.11? So soon! I'll be hard-pressed to be ready to flash my phone by then... I must hurry. |
| 03:59.39 | daMaestro | or whatever we are calling the next release |
| 03:59.46 | mwester | But it sure is nice to see that somebody has *realistic* targets for the first functional image from Openmoko. |
| 04:00.06 | daMaestro | mwester, ah.. i see... lol |
| 04:00.46 | daMaestro | mwester, hopefully the gta03 will be out by then... and has some competitive hardware against the current "holy crap it's closed and you love it" hardware |
| 04:01.09 | daMaestro | i was reading about the 3G chipset (via planetOM post) that is expected to be in the gta03 |
| 04:01.19 | mwester | And maybe the gta03 will actually work correctly! That would be cool too. |
| 04:02.02 | Sargun | it's mostly the audio sucks under GTA02 |
| 04:02.17 | mwester | Where to start, even? |
| 04:02.19 | daMaestro | yeah, it's not the best |
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| 04:02.33 | mwester | But the good news is that *most* of the problems have workarounds by now. |
| 04:02.43 | mwester | (inlcuding the audio, if you can solder) |
| 04:03.07 | Sargun | mwester, My soldering: Dripping solder over the entire mainboard until there is a hole in it. |
| 04:03.20 | Sargun | AKA: I cannot solder. |
| 04:03.32 | Sargun | I wonder if there will be a fix for the rest of us |
| 04:04.25 | daMaestro | is flashing with the FDOM image just to be able to try out playing doom |
| 04:04.40 | daMaestro | somehow i managed to b0rk NM and usb networking does not work anymore |
| 04:04.49 | daMaestro | wtg WPA cli config! |
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| 04:37.28 | slaxxin | canone put doom on shr? |
| 04:41.06 | Dave | :p |
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| 04:42.38 | slaxxin | shutdown options were working untill i opkg doungraded |
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| 04:43.36 | slaxxin | u have android? |
| 04:43.41 | slaxxin | Dave |
| 04:44.03 | slaxxin | an is it worth a try? |
| 04:44.40 | Dave | It's unfortunately disappointing due to the lack of input controls. |
| 04:44.52 | slaxxin | still no kb? |
| 04:44.58 | Dave | nope |
| 04:45.06 | slaxxin | wathell |
| 04:45.30 | slaxxin | as always the information is incorrect |
| 04:45.39 | Dave | :) |
| 04:45.45 | Dave | Welcome to Openmoko |
| 04:45.55 | slaxxin | im not one to complain though |
| 04:46.28 | Dave | hah! |
| 04:46.29 | Dave | As if :P |
| 04:46.31 | slaxxin | i got the flashlight script up an riunning |
| 04:46.43 | Dave | haha |
| 04:46.44 | slaxxin | so im good |
| 04:47.22 | slaxxin | prolly only used 1/2 of flash life |
| 04:49.53 | slaxxin | so when will this next thin happen? |
| 04:50.00 | slaxxin | thing* |
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| 04:58.48 | daMaestro | hmm... FDOM just makes me want to go remove everything |
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| 05:08.51 | daMaestro | annnnnnnd time to flash back to 2008.9 |
| 05:09.16 | slaxxin | we need a new image |
| 05:11.37 | slaxxin | it seems debian, for the amount of time,, is way ahead |
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| 05:30.33 | daMaestro | slaxxin, i agree |
| 05:30.47 | daMaestro | slaxxin, they got the release early down (for the hardware too) but not the release often |
| 05:30.50 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 05:31.05 | daMaestro | has finally started using the freerunner as an everyday device |
| 05:31.16 | daMaestro | but the blackberry still dominates $workphone |
| 05:31.29 | daMaestro | i'm considering getting the andriod dev device |
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| 05:39.34 | MadTBone | Hi everyone. it's been a while since I've been active with my Freerunner (life got in the way)... Just one quick question, what's the status on suspend/resume? Is it reliable at this point? Is it fast enough to actually answer calls? |
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| 05:39.34 | daMaestro | it's better |
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| 05:39.34 | daMaestro | however, ... if you are on a call longer then the suspend and you don't activate the screen... fail. |
| 05:39.35 | daMaestro | damn that was annoying to find out |
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| 05:40.20 | MadTBone | daMaestro, what distro / kernel are you using? |
| 05:41.29 | daMaestro | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ |
| 05:41.40 | daMaestro | + updates in the official channel |
| 05:41.56 | daMaestro | just re-flashed in an attempt to get newrotate and doom working |
| 05:42.08 | daMaestro | (and to fix a lUser error with networking |
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| 05:46.44 | daMaestro | MadTBone, i'm using the phone daily... it's stable "enough" |
| 05:47.11 | MadTBone | daMaestro, what's your battery life like? |
| 05:47.16 | daMaestro | MadTBone, lot's of room for improvment |
| 05:47.21 | daMaestro | improvement* |
| 05:49.04 | daMaestro | MadTBone, with an auto suspend of 30seconds.. about a day with minimal usage |
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| 05:55.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r2fcca97b18fd 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): paroli-gui: Add recipe of paroli-gui and set preferred revision to 118 |
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| 06:37.45 | sebbs | is the sound on the openmoko monophonic or sterio? |
| 06:38.16 | sebbs | on the newer one, freerunner |
| 06:39.14 | zash | sebbs: one internal speaker and stereo on the headset i think |
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| 06:40.42 | sebbs | the headset is all i am curious about |
| 06:40.50 | sebbs | the headphonejack i mean |
| 06:41.18 | sebbs | if the shops are open today i will go get myself a openmoko tomorrow |
| 06:41.25 | sebbs | today rather |
| 06:42.30 | sebbs | zash: the documentation on the wiki seems to suggest its mono |
| 06:42.36 | zash | where? |
| 06:42.45 | sebbs | just foun dthe spec sheet |
| 06:42.45 | sebbs | wait |
| 06:43.06 | sebbs | hehe i dont know which page it was |
| 06:43.17 | zash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware |
| 06:43.17 | sebbs | it said to look at the older ones spec |
| 06:43.27 | sebbs | and the older one is mono it says |
| 06:43.39 | zash | 1(base): GND |
| 06:43.39 | zash | 2: right out |
| 06:43.39 | zash | 3: left out |
| 06:43.40 | zash | 4(tip): mic + HOLD-button(press:short to GND) |
| 06:43.57 | sebbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.58 | sebbs | See also: Neo1973 Audio Subsystem |
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| 06:44.04 | sebbs | oh |
| 06:44.10 | sebbs | ok dude sorry i missread it |
| 06:44.18 | sebbs | there was a whole audio section under the link ^^ |
| 06:45.12 | sebbs | zash: do you have the debugboard? |
| 06:45.19 | zash | i have nothing :( |
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| 06:47.26 | sebbs | zash: cheers though, my connection is abit crap it seems |
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| 06:49.19 | Sargun | I wish all of the audio inputs went through the CPU |
| 06:56.48 | sebbs | Sargun: is it possible to run JACK on freerunner? |
| 06:56.55 | sebbs | perhaps its to heavy |
| 06:57.54 | Shlee | no no Jack should run.. |
| 06:57.59 | Shlee | Midi input device? |
| 06:58.03 | Sargun | uhm |
| 06:58.06 | Sargun | no MIDI |
| 06:58.31 | sebbs | midi input or what? |
| 06:58.51 | sebbs | naw i wanna use puredata |
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| 06:59.39 | sebbs | i guess i could do with supercollider worst case, (worst since im no good at it - guess i would have to learn) |
| 07:00.11 | sebbs | im gonna try to get one today, ive been dying to run consol apps on a phone without having to SSH to a server |
| 07:00.57 | sebbs | hope the store is open today |
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| 07:11.16 | sebbs | i wonder how far that cpu is gonna get me |
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| 07:35.35 | daMaestro | hmmm has anyone figured out how to open doors with freedoom? |
| 07:35.43 | daMaestro | err opendoom* (on the freerunner) |
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| 08:08.28 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:08.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4851 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg_cmd.c opkg_install.c): opkg: fixing some trivial defects while reviewing code |
| 08:08.49 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4852 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:08.49 | CIA-24 | openmoko: opkg: introduce the protype of active_list |
| 08:08.49 | CIA-24 | openmoko: This can be used for upgrade path |
| 08:09.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4853 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (3 files in 2 dirs): opkg: active_list tests |
| 08:09.21 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4854 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (3 files in 2 dirs): opkg: refactory active_list_next remove unnecessary field. |
| 08:09.36 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4855 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (3 files in 2 dirs): opkg: implement active_list_prev and test cases. |
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| 09:28.25 | [-zeno-] | hi all |
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| 09:39.29 | edgar | Does anybody know when the GTA03 will be approx. available? Any hints or clues? |
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| 09:42.02 | CM_work | edgar: Nope, nothing official yet afaik |
| 09:42.42 | edgar | CM_work: thx. i guess santa will then have to buy a GTA02 one ;-) |
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| 09:45.31 | Shlee | I have a GTA02 for sale in AUS |
| 09:45.37 | CM_work | I have GTA01, so I can wait for the 03 |
| 09:46.32 | Wonka | i might want to buy a gta03 only if i find someone to sell my gta02 to... |
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| 09:52.33 | jc | and I just bought my gta02 what a happy person am I :)) |
| 09:52.43 | jc | but no, I'm really happy with it |
| 09:52.56 | jc | if you want a killer platform, try openpandora |
| 09:53.08 | jc | even gta03 soc cant outperform that |
| 09:53.17 | jc | and its still arm |
| 09:53.29 | CM_work | Yeah, the pandora looks nice |
| 09:53.53 | jc | well it doesn't *look* nice but it performs veery nice apparently :) |
| 09:54.17 | jc | but they have some problems with contractors or something, can't ship preorders in time |
| 09:54.26 | jc | so I bought openmoko, I needed a pda quick |
| 09:54.45 | XorA | awaits his pandora arriving |
| 09:56.12 | [-zeno-] | XorA, you are lucky! |
| 09:57.15 | XorA | [-zeno-]: luck had nothing to do with it |
| 09:57.24 | elserpiente | pandora seems cool. How much is it? |
| 09:59.31 | henk | but it's not a phone is it? |
| 09:59.46 | ronny | pandora? |
| 10:00.10 | henk | no, openmoko... |
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| 10:00.33 | elserpiente | oh, i see - 330$ |
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| 10:02.26 | elserpiente | henk : it has gsm chip :) |
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| 10:07.30 | [-zeno-] | XorA, :) eh eh eh I know that.. |
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| 10:14.16 | henk | elserpiente: ah ok |
| 10:18.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03charlie * r4856 10/developers/charlie/Wiki/ (KBase OpenEmbedded): Add KBase |
| 10:20.44 | henk | that openpandora thingie seems to be related with gp2x, is that correct? |
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| 10:26.07 | admiral0 | hello |
| 10:26.17 | XorA | henk: very loosly |
| 10:26.30 | XorA | henk: bunch of gp2x developers and distributor working on it |
| 10:27.07 | admiral0 | There is a limit for file releases on projects.openmoko.org? |
| 10:28.11 | admiral0 | The release of my project is ~35MB |
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| 10:30.17 | Hire1 | 35 mb??!?!? what is it?!?!? |
| 10:32.12 | admiral0 | it's a distro |
| 10:32.42 | admiral0 | called telefoninux and based on debian |
| 10:33.06 | zash | only 35MB? |
| 10:33.20 | admiral0 | tar.bz2 |
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| 10:33.43 | admiral0 | 100Megs uncompressed |
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| 10:35.40 | henk | XorA: ok, thanks |
| 10:37.02 | Hire1 | admiral0: perché non entri su #telefoninux? |
| 10:43.56 | jc | well are you suprised? you can fit a (resonably) full distro on a floppy diskette |
| 10:44.14 | jc | brutalware it was called, I think |
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| 10:47.00 | zash | jc: kernel + busybox? |
| 10:47.07 | jc | its really ancient |
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| 10:47.31 | jc | zash just extremely stripped kernel and some utils I think there was no busybox at that time :) |
| 10:47.41 | jc | and of course compressed |
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| 11:08.27 | F4t | hey all, is it possible to force uboot to load akernel larger then 2 mb, using a windows box? |
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| 11:14.05 | lindi- | F4t: what on earth has windows to do with this? |
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| 11:20.32 | sebbs_meeting | zash: well i was thinking about the screensize, if there are issues that arise due to the screensize being to small |
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| 11:21.13 | sebbs | i know on other devices running other operativesystems, this is usually a problem (mobile devices) since they are generally hardcoded sizes on things like toolbars etc |
| 11:21.26 | sebbs | nethack does not have this, but i figured i might as well ask. |
| 11:22.12 | sebbs | i wish there was a ARM version of alpha centauri |
| 11:23.51 | jc | I see furiosity is common here whenever some proprietary stuff is mentioned :)) |
| 11:27.38 | jc | oh I meant fury I guess |
| 11:27.46 | swetland | furiosity sounds much cooler |
| 11:27.57 | jc | I figured :) I'm not native speaker |
| 11:28.06 | swetland | some kind of fury/curiosity fusion perhaps ^^ |
| 11:28.14 | jc | lol |
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| 11:28.30 | jc | try speaking czech for a change ;) |
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| 11:29.10 | zash | wants an arm version of starcraft |
| 11:29.15 | jc | me2 |
| 11:29.21 | jc | and veery badly |
| 11:29.24 | swetland | I would be helpless. Besides some mostly forgotten french and a tiny smattering of japanese, american english is all I've got to get by on |
| 11:29.29 | jc | theres some open source engine for it in the works |
| 11:29.45 | jc | me too with the japanese :) |
| 11:30.18 | dent | jc: proc ne? :) |
| 11:30.25 | jc | a hele, cech :P |
| 11:30.32 | dent | indeed :) |
| 11:30.58 | jc | dent what grade did you have for czech/english? ;P |
| 11:31.01 | swetland | honestly, given how horrible a lot of native speakers I know mangle the language, I'd never give anybody grief over speaking it as a second language |
| 11:31.15 | jc | me (current state): 5/1 :D |
| 11:31.34 | dent | jc: 1+ in english, 4 in czech :) [for foreigners: 1 being the best, 5 being the worst here :) ] |
| 11:31.47 | jc | lol sooo common among hackers |
| 11:33.11 | jc | good to know :) |
| 11:33.11 | jc | with that starcraft engine, its unfortunately pretty bad now |
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| 11:33.32 | swetland | I think one of the saddest things about america is the attitude toward language education (well education in general, but languages especially). working with so many engineers from various countries over the years, I feel like I've missed out by not having a functional second language. |
| 11:34.09 | jc | I think english is todays esperanto |
| 11:34.14 | emonkey | most spoken language is chinese |
| 11:34.24 | jc | well maybe cause there are many chinese people :D |
| 11:34.30 | dent | :) |
| 11:34.33 | emonkey | yes but it's true |
| 11:35.05 | dent | english works just fine as lingua franca |
| 11:35.05 | emonkey | we've 7Million people in our country and 4 official languages ... |
| 11:35.14 | swetland | it is a pity that english is such a messed up language given its use (at least in the industry) as a common language |
| 11:35.29 | jc | it does the work, doesn't it ? |
| 11:35.40 | swetland | it certainly does |
| 11:35.42 | jc | hey look, we can communicate, isn't that amazing? ;P |
| 11:36.12 | jc | its like perl |
| 11:36.17 | jc | or rather php maybe |
| 11:36.18 | swetland | ahahah |
| 11:36.31 | swetland | I cannot speak perl *or* php |
| 11:36.37 | jc | me both :D |
| 11:36.40 | swetland | thankfully we're using english instead |
| 11:36.54 | jc | oooh.. speak as in speak... :D |
| 11:37.09 | dent | 10 goto 10 |
| 11:37.14 | dent | run |
| 11:37.15 | swetland | well speak as in "write working code in" too |
| 11:37.19 | jc | I meant that its bulky, full of exceptions, has many tenses, is complicated, ... |
| 11:37.41 | jc | well maybe php comparison was more precise |
| 11:37.56 | jc | because if it were similar to perl, you'd have accent signs all over the place :D :D :D |
| 11:37.59 | jc | (lol) |
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| 11:38.04 | swetland | has a bunch of different ways to say something, yet somehow the one you guess doesn't do what you think it does? |
| 11:38.28 | jc | unless you spend a lot of time learning it |
| 11:38.31 | swetland | that was my impression of hypertalk way back when... I had a gift for defeating the parser (which was pretty crazy-flexible) |
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| 11:39.37 | jc | what parser ? |
| 11:39.41 | swetland | hypertalk |
| 11:39.46 | jc | hypertalk ? |
| 11:39.48 | swetland | the language hypercard used |
| 11:39.52 | jc | !google hypertalk |
| 11:39.54 | lindi- | some proprietary stuff |
| 11:39.54 | cdbot2 | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=hypertalk&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi%20onclick=gbar.qs(this)%20class=gb1 | Dictionary of Programming Languages @ http://cgibin.erols.com/ziring/cgi-bin/cep/cep.pl?_key=HyperTalk%20class=l | computer programming language -- Britann @ http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/130670/computer-programming-language%20class=l |
| 11:39.57 | swetland | it was the crazy natural language thing |
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| 11:40.56 | jc | pretty old stuff |
| 11:41.02 | swetland | it had pronouns (you could use "it", etc to refer to recent stuff) |
| 11:41.12 | jc | I only came across a c64 and the tapes were enough :) |
| 11:41.41 | swetland | that's where I got started back in 1982 or so |
| 11:42.00 | swetland | ye gods the c64 tape drive was slooooow |
| 11:42.41 | jc | well even though I was born on 1990, I got a commodore when I was young from a friend who didn't know what the hell that big keyboard was for :) |
| 11:42.46 | jc | *in |
| 11:43.18 | jc | as soon as I could I learned assembly |
| 11:44.11 | jc | lol and another funny thing, I thought they invented binary coding :))) |
| 11:45.38 | jc | in a tutorial that described poking sprites into memory, there was this extremely smart calculation for encoding color values to numbers for each pixel, I thought they invented it at that time even though it was just a formula to convert various rgb values to hex to poke into memory :D |
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| 12:23.19 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03werner * r4857 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/ (crc.py decode.py dxplore.py phosphor.py scope.py wave.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 12:23.19 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Highlights: |
| 12:23.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: - added basic USB decoding, a contribution from a non-Openmoko project |
| 12:23.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Details: |
| 12:23.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: - lib/scope.py, lib/wave.py, lib/phosphor.py: use hasattr(obj, "__iter__") |
| 12:23.23 | CIA-24 | openmoko: instead of isinstance(obj, list) |
| 12:23.25 | CIA-24 | openmoko: - lib/crc.py: added USB's CRC5 |
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| 12:56.14 | beni | wants his digital clock back |
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| 12:59.33 | Pander | Does anyone know how to add an extra illume keyboard instead of overwriting one? Does it have to be registered somewhere |
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| 13:10.13 | beuss | hi |
| 13:10.28 | beuss | did someone succesfully set up an openmoko + qemu setup ? |
| 13:11.35 | beuss | I have the spash screen, bootmenu, select boot, press space, some info lines, loading kernel, then splash screen, bootmenu, select boot, press space, some info lines, loading kernel, then splash screen, bootmenu, select boot, press space, etc. |
| 13:13.14 | beni | great, the gtk redraw bug is fixed :) |
| 13:16.48 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4858 10/developers/erin_yueh/bt/ (7 files): init bt manager |
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| 13:28.30 | beni | GREAT tangogps is stable again :) |
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| 13:28.38 | beni | i can do tracking again :) |
| 13:29.01 | beuss | nobody can help on qemu ? |
| 13:29.33 | beuss | I'd love to buy this phone but without fully functional development environment before that, it's out of question |
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| 13:34.39 | Weiss | beni: s/fixed/horribly bodged around/ |
| 13:34.43 | Weiss | but yes :) |
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| 13:36.50 | beni | Weiss: sorry, what means 'bodged'? |
| 13:36.53 | beni | hacked? |
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| 13:37.05 | beni | are hacks sold as fix again? |
| 13:37.06 | Weiss | beni: exactly |
| 13:37.17 | beni | well |
| 13:37.21 | beni | at least it works. |
| 13:37.39 | beni | hostname gta02v6-hacked |
| 13:37.42 | Weiss | beni: well.. the problem is that a fix for a different problem in GTK involved adding some extra redraw logic, and that logic assumes things about the order that the window manager will send it events |
| 13:37.44 | beni | oops, wrong window |
| 13:37.51 | Weiss | :) |
| 13:38.25 | Weiss | for most WMs, it worked fine. but for E+Illume, the assumption isn't valid and it breaks. |
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| 13:53.59 | Pander | FDOM testing has improved a lot, more people that have tested it? |
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| 15:10.12 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
| 15:10.25 | jc | hullo |
| 15:10.34 | mick_laptop | i just got my phone the other day, it is really cool |
| 15:10.50 | jc | agreed :) |
| 15:10.57 | mick_laptop | i've heard a lot of people say "don't use it as a primary phone" but well, i don't have another one :) |
| 15:11.16 | jc | me neither, not anymore |
| 15:11.25 | mick_laptop | the complaints of "echo" are only for the other person (sometimes anyways) |
| 15:11.32 | jc | it crashes on me sometimes but I don't receive critical calls anyway |
| 15:11.46 | jc | 'echo' ? |
| 15:11.52 | jc | oh you mean echo as in the speaker |
| 15:11.53 | mick_laptop | i put in my wife's sim card and the messages can't be read |
| 15:12.00 | jc | I think that has something to do witch alsa config |
| 15:12.10 | mick_laptop | jc, people hear me as if i'm in a bathroom |
| 15:12.12 | jc | *with |
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| 15:12.16 | mick_laptop | ya? |
| 15:12.23 | mick_laptop | ah, so i can change that? |
| 15:12.25 | jc | which distribution are you using ? |
| 15:12.33 | jc | sound is very configurable on the fr |
| 15:12.50 | jc | its just not easy to figure out the values, I have to solve the same problem when I have some time |
| 15:12.56 | mick_laptop | i'm using the built in distro (just opened it last night) |
| 15:13.19 | jc | om 2007? that one worked for me like a charm out of the box, except being featureless |
| 15:13.36 | jc | but I flashed it with FDOM pretty soon :) |
| 15:13.55 | mick_laptop | ya, it works for me, but since i put in her sim card (i took it out) - it still wants to tell me that i have unread messages |
| 15:14.15 | jc | I think they just remained in the phones database |
| 15:14.30 | jc | so you might as well just delete them once you get the sim out |
| 15:14.37 | mick_laptop | i'll flash it soon anyhow |
| 15:14.38 | mick_laptop | :) |
| 15:14.57 | jc | flash wasnt easy for me on i686 system, despite what the wiki says |
| 15:15.16 | jc | also, contrary to the wiki, flash did work for me nicely on a amd64 laptop |
| 15:15.22 | jc | *an |
| 15:15.50 | jc | well you can't 'brick' it anyway |
| 15:16.09 | Tm_T | except with some concrete |
| 15:16.14 | Tm_T | or so |
| 15:16.15 | jc | I recommend playing with distro you want to try on the sd card and when you see you're happy with it, flash it to the nand |
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| 15:16.43 | jc | or a jtag programmer :D |
| 15:16.51 | jc | erasing NOR |
| 15:17.08 | jc | but normally I think its pretty safe |
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| 15:18.27 | jc | anyway I have to go and catch a train home, finally :) |
| 15:18.31 | jc | goodbye and happy hacking |
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| 15:50.26 | slaxxin | hmmmm |
| 15:51.11 | DieMumie1 | will the wall charger charge if the om is off |
| 15:51.24 | henk | no |
| 15:51.27 | slaxxin | nope |
| 15:51.45 | slaxxin | boot up nor then boot |
| 15:53.45 | DieMumie1 | my kernel is broken |
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| 15:55.48 | henk | DieMumie1: great! |
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| 15:56.23 | DieMumie1 | yeah did that all by myself |
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| 15:57.01 | mick_laptop | anyone know how to troubleshoot when a phone isn't turning on? (it was just being charged). |
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| 15:57.48 | henk | mick_laptop: does it still respond on the network |
| 15:57.49 | henk | ? |
| 15:57.50 | mick_laptop | screen is off, and it isn't responding when i try to boot w/ the hardware power button |
| 15:58.26 | mick_laptop | i just took out the battery and put it back (so probably not) ;) |
| 15:58.50 | henk | yes, very improbable. |
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| 15:59.09 | mick_laptop | ok, i just plugged it back into the wall and it booted up (odd) |
| 15:59.22 | henk | try to calculate the improbability, perhaps then it will turn on... |
| 15:59.33 | mick_laptop | heh |
| 15:59.38 | mick_laptop | that was odd though |
| 15:59.45 | henk | no, that's normal. when it's off, then gets plugged in, it powers on |
| 16:00.04 | fredrin | eh, happen to mine no aswell... woke up my lappy from suspend and the phone booted.... |
| 16:00.05 | mwester | ;) normal for the gta02 |
| 16:00.06 | mick_laptop | i mean, it couldn't boot up |
| 16:00.15 | mick_laptop | until i pluged it in again |
| 16:00.32 | mick_laptop | it was plugged in when i tried to boot it |
| 16:00.32 | DieMumie1 | will it charge while in uboot menu? |
| 16:00.42 | mick_laptop | when i took out the battery and plugged it back in it booted up |
| 16:00.44 | fredrin | the FR is making me belive in the ghost in the shell |
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| 16:01.46 | henk | mick_laptop: then it was probably just frozen or in standby and wanted to sleep a bit more (i know that, i feel the same when someone tries to wake me)... |
| 16:01.59 | mick_laptop | where can i find a list of different distros that i could try? |
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| 16:02.10 | henk | mick_laptop: in the wiki... |
| 16:02.13 | mick_laptop | henk: thanks |
| 16:02.19 | henk | wiki.openmoko.org/Distributions probably... |
| 16:02.24 | henk | or /wiki/Distributions |
| 16:02.30 | henk | ,distributions |
| 16:02.39 | henk | wasn't there a bot here somewhere? |
| 16:03.05 | mwester | apt: speak! |
| 16:03.06 | apt | ARFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 16:03.14 | henk | apt help! |
| 16:03.14 | apt | hmm... help is /msg apt help |
| 16:03.21 | henk | ok ok... |
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| 16:05.18 | henk | apt: where can i find distributions? |
| 16:05.30 | henk | hmpf :( |
| 16:05.31 | LostInSpace | pb_, you got a few minutes for me? |
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| 16:07.53 | slaxxin | apt |
| 16:08.15 | slaxxin | ~apt wheredistros |
| 16:08.22 | slaxxin | haha |
| 16:08.32 | slaxxin | ~apt where distros |
| 16:08.42 | slaxxin | testing |
| 16:09.02 | slaxxin | WASSA |
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| 16:09.46 | slaxxin | i have om testing going on |
| 16:09.48 | alephnull | Is that the #debian bot ? |
| 16:10.13 | henk | wasn't that dpkg? |
| 16:12.17 | alephnull | There's also an apt. |
| 16:12.26 | alephnull | They were mirrors, iirc. |
| 16:12.46 | alephnull | Judging by the factoid db, it is the #debian bot. |
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| 16:14.44 | henk | ack, /whois dpkg says: ircname: apt backup |
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| 16:28.42 | bapt | Hi all |
| 16:28.54 | igor321 | howdy |
| 16:29.21 | bapt | does any one tried to flash openmoko with the lastest android uImage? |
| 16:29.22 | bapt | 04-Dec-2008 |
| 16:29.33 | bapt | because I got Bad data CRC at boot time |
| 16:29.41 | igor321 | you are doing it wrong |
| 16:29.58 | bapt | I followed the installation instruction |
| 16:30.00 | igor321 | you have to boot with qi or do somethin to the u-boot |
| 16:30.16 | igor321 | i forgot what, would suggest using qi |
| 16:30.18 | bapt | didn't see that in the instruction |
| 16:30.43 | bapt | I thought about trying qi, but I wasn't sure it was "safe" |
| 16:30.43 | igor321 | yeah it's lacking that |
| 16:31.03 | igor321 | it's safe, you can always go back to nor uboot if you mess something up |
| 16:31.22 | bapt | yes that's exactly what I meant byt safe |
| 16:31.26 | bapt | cool i'll try |
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| 16:31.38 | igor321 | you won't regret it :) |
| 16:32.19 | bapt | this is qi-s3c6410-master_2ad3ce6ff57753e3.udfu the gid file (naming shame I mean) |
| 16:32.58 | igor321 | nope that's for gta03 |
| 16:33.02 | bapt | ok |
| 16:33.10 | igor321 | it has to match the gta02's soc |
| 16:33.21 | igor321 | something like 2442 |
| 16:33.30 | bapt | ok thanks |
| 16:33.33 | igor321 | np |
| 16:33.51 | bapt | I'll try that this evening |
| 16:34.11 | igor321 | pity android's not fully functional |
| 16:34.26 | igor321 | it shows great promise still |
| 16:34.40 | bapt | I just want phone and SMS currently (and play with android :)) |
| 16:35.04 | bapt | Does the latest kernel support suspend/resume ? |
| 16:35.17 | igor321 | compiled or from sean? |
| 16:35.22 | bapt | yes |
| 16:35.26 | bapt | from sean |
| 16:35.30 | igor321 | i think that sean's doesn't |
| 16:35.33 | igor321 | what date is it? |
| 16:35.41 | bapt | 04-Dec-2008 |
| 16:35.49 | igor321 | no, i think |
| 16:36.13 | bapt | is there any written procedure to build one on my own? |
| 16:36.49 | igor321 | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary |
| 16:38.24 | bapt | cloning :) |
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| 16:49.33 | bapt | which branch do I need for android? |
| 16:49.36 | bapt | andy-tracking? |
| 16:49.42 | igor321 | yes |
| 16:50.55 | fredrin | hummm, just flashed the FR with latest android image and the phone wont boot |
| 16:51.03 | fredrin | just the openmoko image is displayed |
| 16:51.34 | bapt | fredrin: install qi :) |
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| 16:52.02 | fredrin | bapt: aaaaah |
| 16:52.33 | bapt | fredrin: I ask the same question 30min ago:) |
| 16:53.25 | fredrin | :) |
| 16:53.32 | spydon_ | can you go back to uboot after installing qi? :P |
| 16:53.39 | spydon_ | "easy" :P |
| 16:53.46 | fredrin | but i don't know what cpu image i should get, cant boot the phone right now, so cant use dmesg |
| 16:54.21 | fredrin | my phone is made 20080721, if that can help |
| 16:55.00 | fredrin | what happens if i flash the worng qi image? |
| 16:56.05 | bapt | fredrin: gta02 is : qi-s3c2442-master_2ad3ce6ff57753e3.udfu |
| 16:56.20 | bapt | the important part is 2442 |
| 16:56.43 | SpeedEvil | Free_maN: you've got to flash the right one using NOR-uboot |
| 16:56.47 | fredrin | bapt: thanks man |
| 17:01.25 | bapt | /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
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| 17:01.41 | bapt | doesn't build has wanted :( |
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| 17:15.42 | The_Doctor | Hey is anyone here running Android on his freerunner? |
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| 17:22.17 | Sargun | We really need another release of FSO. |
| 17:24.50 | Dave | Do we really need that now? MS5 ? |
| 17:26.04 | Sargun | Yes. |
| 17:26.10 | Sargun | There are a few bug fixes |
| 17:26.10 | Dave | -_- |
| 17:26.13 | Sargun | that mickey made |
| 17:26.35 | Dave | As if MS4 wasn't enough of a total failure :D |
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| 17:28.22 | toggles_w | Dave: :-( !! |
| 17:28.35 | Dave | Dude, I'm only telling you how it is. |
| 17:28.42 | Dave | and everybody knows it |
| 17:28.54 | Dave | Whether you'd like to admit it or not. |
| 17:29.22 | bapt | yeah kernel building |
| 17:35.44 | slaxxin | Dave is the man |
| 17:35.56 | slaxxin | truth huirts? |
| 17:36.18 | igor321 | what's wrong with ms4? |
| 17:36.21 | slaxxin | just need to keep on keeping on |
| 17:36.34 | Dave | English please. |
| 17:36.50 | sebbs | hm i wonder if there is a ARM port of lokis alpha centauri |
| 17:38.09 | bapt | igor321: my kernel image is build and working thanks a lot |
| 17:39.03 | Dave | too bad it's not armalite |
| 17:39.05 | Dave | hahaha omg |
| 17:39.23 | Dave | just got the possible terrible/amazing idea of combining the freerunner with guns |
| 17:39.40 | sebbs | rpgmoko |
| 17:39.43 | Dave | Freerunner Firearms! Epic Fail or Awesome Amazingness? |
| 17:39.48 | sebbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.08 | sebbs | freeflamethrowerrunner |
| 17:40.16 | Wonka | as long as the GPS gets stuck like mine... epic fail |
| 17:40.30 | slaxxin | bain hides in bunker |
| 17:40.30 | sebbs | stuck? |
| 17:41.19 | mwester | notes that with that recent exchange, this channel is now being logged by the NSA supercomputers... |
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| 17:42.31 | Dave | Hell yeah, raising the bar! |
| 17:42.31 | thrashold | mwester: Well, why? Nobody has used the word 'bomb' in the channel so far... |
| 17:42.32 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 17:42.41 | Dave | TERRORISM |
| 17:42.46 | Dave | there, better? :) |
| 17:42.59 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.00 | thrashold | Dave: Now I think that did it. |
| 17:43.12 | Dave | :) |
| 17:44.05 | mwester | Yep. That did it. :o |
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| 17:45.08 | dent | lol :)) |
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| 17:49.56 | Dave | :o |
| 17:50.43 | mwester | observes a black SUV pull up and park across the street... :-O |
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| 17:54.26 | The_Doctor | Hmm, is anyone here using Android on his freerunner? |
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| 18:00.08 | igor321 | The_Doctor: why do you ask? |
| 18:00.18 | The_Doctor | Because it doesn't work on mine |
| 18:00.34 | The_Doctor | it hangs on booting |
| 18:00.45 | igor321 | what kerner are you using? |
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| 18:00.50 | igor321 | and what bootloader |
| 18:00.53 | igor321 | *kernel |
| 18:01.25 | The_Doctor | those: http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 18:01.50 | The_Doctor | And i found some at a forum at koolu, but that one acted the same. |
| 18:01.52 | bapt | The_Doctor: qi |
| 18:02.07 | bapt | install qi |
| 18:02.18 | igor321 | that, and don't forget to format your usd |
| 18:03.06 | The_Doctor | what format should it be? |
| 18:04.12 | The_Doctor | fat16 and ext3 or so, wasn't it? |
| 18:04.31 | Dave | Ze Doktehr |
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| 18:10.56 | henk | for qi only one partition, ext* |
| 18:11.14 | The_Doctor | hmm, |
| 18:11.18 | henk | only one partition for the system, there can be more for other systems or data or whatever |
| 18:11.31 | The_Doctor | so i have to put android on the SD? |
| 18:11.34 | emilis_info | which distro has the most stable wifi drivers? |
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| 18:11.42 | henk | The_Doctor: that i don't know, sorry. |
| 18:11.55 | slaxxin | shr works |
| 18:12.07 | The_Doctor | henk: Ok, but it can run on the internal flash, isnt it? |
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| 18:12.38 | henk | The_Doctor: i don't know anything about android... |
| 18:12.57 | The_Doctor | henk: ok thanks anyways |
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| 18:14.15 | Dave | doei |
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| 18:42.39 | [-zeno-] | ho all.... do you have noticed usb problems with om-testing? When i connect the FR to the usb of my pc i can't ping usb0 of the FR and i read in the dmesg of my pc this: NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out |
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| 18:56.21 | Tuju | how do i start freerunner when battery is empty? |
| 18:56.41 | alephnull | Tuju: The wiki has some suggestions. |
| 18:57.51 | Tuju | yeah, it seem so. |
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| 18:58.12 | Tuju | what an idiotic design i have to admit. |
| 18:59.23 | jc | mines nor bootloader starts up just fine without battery inserted |
| 18:59.32 | jc | just usb powered |
| 19:00.06 | slaxxin | aux+power |
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| 19:01.35 | jc | I think it also instructs the pcf to charge, right ? |
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| 19:21.12 | Sargun_Screen | did openmoko lose to google |
| 19:22.06 | zogg_ | was there anything to lose |
| 19:25.06 | SpeedEvil | Of course. |
| 19:25.10 | SpeedEvil | Potentially. |
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| 19:25.45 | SpeedEvil | The potential to put open-source nicely licenced phone platforms in large numbers of hands. |
| 19:26.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | Tuju: convince NXP to do a less idiotic mask programming for PMU defaults, for the few thousand chips we need. Highly appreciated;-) |
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| 19:27.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | jc: right |
| 19:27.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | should |
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| 19:37.04 | white_gecko | hello osm2go for the freerunner http://comiles.eu/~natanael/wordpress/2008/12/08/osm-on-the-mo |
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| 19:53.02 | kebomix_ | Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request-ebooks Here : |
| 19:53.04 | kebomix_ | http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ |
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| 19:59.04 | parodyoflanguage | http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html |
| 19:59.07 | parodyoflanguage | ? |
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| 20:17.48 | poco | mmm... any idea why i am not receiving sms? |
| 20:18.33 | slaxxin | i never have recieved an sms |
| 20:18.42 | slaxxin | cant send |
| 20:19.47 | poco | is it known? |
| 20:20.16 | jonsmith1982 | isn't the echo bug supposed to be fixed in the daily testing builds? |
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| 20:23.06 | gordev | hi to all |
| 20:23.39 | gordev | can anybody help me with qemu + openmoko? |
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| 20:27.17 | parodyoflanguage | Will the GTA03 have proprietary blobs in it? |
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| 20:28.21 | slaxxin | so did qtopia have an mp3 issue? |
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| 20:33.43 | poco | mmm i am getting sms after reboot in fact |
| 20:39.18 | beuss | gordev: where are you stuck ? |
| 20:39.49 | beuss | (I can't help you I guess, but I'd like to know if I'm the only one with my problem) |
| 20:41.01 | gordev | when i'm trying to boot openmoko in qemu |
| 20:41.10 | gordev | it boots to the menu |
| 20:41.26 | gordev | and when i choose some punkt |
| 20:41.31 | gordev | it just restarting |
| 20:41.52 | beuss | same here :/ |
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| 20:42.06 | beuss | I had to fix download script before having anything working |
| 20:42.11 | beuss | and then it keeps rebooting |
| 20:42.58 | quatrox | gordev: what happens if you try to boot GTA01 image from qemu? |
| 20:43.57 | beuss | quatrox: GTA01 image is the one fetched by download.sh isn't it ? |
| 20:44.03 | gordev | yes |
| 20:44.22 | gordev | i'm booting with mokomake file |
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| 20:44.53 | gordev | i'vw tried fso-console-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 20:45.21 | gordev | and also openmoko-testing-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:46.12 | quatrox | gordev: can you still boot the old images (OM2007.2, etc)? |
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| 20:47.37 | gordev | i thought that image is OM2007.2, isn't it? |
| 20:47.43 | beuss | I can add that unstables gives the same results |
| 20:48.35 | gordev | that is the first images i've tried to boot |
| 20:48.58 | gordev | i haven't tried else |
| 20:50.01 | quatrox | gordev: The OM2007.2 image was the image Freerunner was shipped with. I guess if that does not boot with qemu, it does not help to try other images |
| 20:50.15 | beuss | where can we find uit ? |
| 20:51.13 | gordev | is freerunner GTA02 |
| 20:51.15 | gordev | ? |
| 20:51.27 | quatrox | I only have the image for GTA02 (Freerunner), but not for GTA01 (which is what you need). |
| 20:51.33 | quatrox | gordev: yes |
| 20:51.54 | quatrox | I guess the old images is still at download.openmoko.org |
| 20:52.00 | beuss | http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ the name says gta01 |
| 20:52.28 | beuss | make qemu uses gta01 one |
| 20:52.29 | gordev | i'm used images from there |
| 20:52.52 | beuss | kernel_wildcard="testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin" |
| 20:56.42 | gordev | btw how can i run gta02 images on qemu |
| 20:57.21 | The_Doctor | Hey, are there still some android-people around? |
| 20:57.40 | The_Doctor | I have android running now, but it says 'screen locked, press menu to unlock', but i don't see any menu? |
| 20:58.39 | SpeedEvil | I think menu is a button |
| 20:58.52 | zash | The_Doctor: try pressing the any button |
| 20:59.00 | zash | Any(tm) button! |
| 20:59.05 | sicu | =] |
| 20:59.21 | The_Doctor | then it suspends |
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| 20:59.43 | zash | The_Doctor: when? |
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| 21:00.02 | The_Doctor | zash: both the power and the other button |
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| 21:00.18 | zash | The_Doctor: suspends on both? |
| 21:00.22 | zash | how crappy |
| 21:00.55 | The_Doctor | zash: yeah |
| 21:01.18 | gordev | maybe you must touch the screen? |
| 21:01.32 | The_Doctor | did that already, no response :( |
| 21:01.41 | zash | isn't there some page/README-file somewhere that describes the keymappings |
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| 21:02.52 | The_Doctor | oh craps: the power button is the menu button when pressed quickly, didn't mention that section xD |
| 21:02.56 | The_Doctor | thanx people |
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| 21:04.15 | azaghal | I've just replaced the 512MB SD card with a 2GB one (Kingston), and upon the boot I get (taken from dmesg) "mmc0: error -84 whilst initialising SD card". Any thoughts? Suggestions? I'm currnetly using the FDOM. |
| 21:04.56 | Sargun | azaghal, I had the same issue, I installed debian, and booted off the SD card |
| 21:05.25 | azaghal | Actually, I'd _like_ to install Debian :) |
| 21:05.40 | azaghal | (on the SD card) |
| 21:05.56 | azaghal | So I guess I'll need to setup the SD card on desktop then throw it in, eh? |
| 21:07.11 | quatrox | gordev: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing |
| 21:07.21 | quatrox | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#20070808_with_kernel_2.6.21.5-r2 |
| 21:07.31 | quatrox | I don't know if it helps |
| 21:07.43 | Mononoke | -dbg packages are debuginfo for gdb I guess? |
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| 21:08.14 | Mononoke | O.o |
| 21:08.23 | milos__ | !logs |
| 21:08.24 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 21:08.24 | Mononoke | shoots azaghal into knee before he says something |
| 21:08.24 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 21:08.25 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 21:08.26 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 21:08.29 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
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| 21:11.17 | gordev | quatrox: thanks, i'll try |
| 21:12.34 | quatrox | gordev: I am not sure if it is the correct image, but I think this image used to work with qemu |
| 21:12.50 | quatrox | but things have moved |
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| 21:25.21 | quatrox | gordev: I never tried this on my own. I used mokomakefile to build according to the qemu and mokomakefile wiki pages |
| 21:25.38 | quatrox | but it is a looong time ago |
| 21:26.18 | beuss | quatrox: so you think that qemu-local target of mokomakefile could work ? |
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| 21:38.34 | poco | any idead what the error message "logread: can't find syslogd buffer: No such file or directory" could be? |
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| 21:56.51 | Pander | hi |
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| 22:08.59 | quatrox | beuss: yes |
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| 22:09.34 | quatrox | beuss: sorry for the late reply - I was away |
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| 22:54.25 | azaghal | Sargun: Just to double-check, you got the exact -84 error? |
| 22:54.29 | vininim | Does om-daily testing(rootfs and kernel) works with Qi? Because I'm not getting an X, and only console message I get is debugs dir creation failed and power_supply failed to report status property |
| 22:55.53 | Sargun | yes |
| 22:56.33 | azaghal | Hm... What kernel version OpenMoko and Debian use? |
| 22:57.09 | vininim | gah, nevermind I'll just flash uboot |
| 22:57.52 | quatrox | vininim: did you enable verbose mode? |
| 22:58.00 | lindi- | azaghal: debian has 2.4.24 |
| 22:58.11 | azaghal | 2.4? |
| 22:58.15 | lindi- | doh |
| 22:58.18 | lindi- | 2.6.24 :P |
| 22:58.20 | azaghal | :) |
| 22:58.40 | lindi- | linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02 20081103.git7172ec57-1 |
| 22:58.52 | Wonka | wants 2.6.28-rc... |
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| 22:59.38 | vininim | quatrox: I'm using andy december 1 .bin, so I guess no |
| 23:00.34 | quatrox | vininim: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 23:00.37 | lindi- | stable-tracking is mostly working |
| 23:01.10 | quatrox | vininim: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Enabling_console_messages |
| 23:01.37 | vininim | quatrox: i'm bootin from NAND, so I gues I have to edit default command line and rebuild it, no? |
| 23:01.53 | Wonka | lindi-: all stable-tracking i ever compiled didn't boot |
| 23:02.30 | lindi- | Wonka: you did something wrong :) |
| 23:02.35 | lindi- | but now away... |
| 23:02.43 | Wonka | lindi-: last was 20081130 |
| 23:02.57 | Wonka | *git pull* |
| 23:03.21 | lindi- | Wonka: ask me tomorrow :) |
| 23:03.49 | Wonka | lindi-: do you have some backlog? will not be here for about 19h now... sleeping, working, ... |
| 23:04.10 | quatrox | vininim: "The current (Oct. 12, 2008) 2.6.27 kernel does not boot from the build-in flash NAND. It only works from the uSD boot on ext3. If one tries to boot it from the flash, then AUX red LED blinks ~4/sec. This means kernel panic... It's panicking because it has no rootfs because it can't mount the jffs2 because of the CRC errors because there is a bug that the mtd are not done properly." |
| 23:04.42 | quatrox | I guess you need to pass the kernel parameters somehow |
| 23:05.16 | quatrox | I think the easiest way is to download a tar.gz image, edit it, and create a jffs2 image |
| 23:05.27 | quatrox | then flash it to NAND |
| 23:05.46 | quatrox | but I never tried it |
| 23:05.55 | vininim | quatrox: I don't get any blinks |
| 23:06.52 | vininim | I wonder if it'll look /boot/append-GTA02 on NAND |
| 23:07.17 | quatrox | I guess |
| 23:07.40 | quatrox | hmm |
| 23:08.00 | quatrox | maybe it only looks for it on the sd card |
| 23:08.23 | mwester | It doesn't know what to do with a jffs2 filesystem. |
| 23:08.23 | vininim | according to the wiki yeah |
| 23:08.24 | quatrox | not sure if it has support for NAND booting at all |
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| 23:09.00 | mwester | It's not only about the NAND/SD, it's about the filesystem too. |
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| 23:09.18 | vininim | it's not panicking though |
| 23:10.01 | quatrox | vininim: do you have a SD card in the device? |
| 23:10.09 | vininim | I tried with and without |
| 23:10.16 | quatrox | strange |
| 23:10.18 | vininim | (currently without) |
| 23:10.52 | quatrox | which qi did you flash? |
| 23:11.02 | vininim | andy's december 1 |
| 23:11.27 | Wonka | i _love_ Kconfig and Makefile skills... |
| 23:11.28 | Wonka | arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-gta01.c: In function âgta01_machine_initâ: |
| 23:11.28 | Wonka | arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-gta01.c:760: error: implicit declaration of function âs3c2410_pm_initâ |
| 23:11.45 | vininim | BUT I was sucess with nand with recent kernels |
| 23:12.08 | vininim | I think it's looping on CRC errors without panicking |
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| 23:12.25 | quatrox | ohh |
| 23:12.44 | vininim | worth to put it on the wiki |
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| 23:16.29 | quatrox | vininim: yeah... that would be nice. Also, I think NAND would speed up the boot time a little |
| 23:18.33 | Weiss | Wonka: hmm, i was getting that one as well. is your config out of date? |
| 23:19.39 | Wonka | Weiss: i ran a "make ARCH=arm oldconfig" just before |
| 23:20.16 | Wonka | Weiss: and the only .c file a "grep -r s3c2410_pm_init ." found was arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-gta01.c |
| 23:20.23 | Wonka | others were .o |
| 23:20.28 | Wonka | no .h |
| 23:20.45 | Wonka | only an invocation, no declaration |
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| 23:23.11 | vininim | hahaha I panicked at FR not booting, and then I see the battery outside it =X |
| 23:24.33 | quatrox | :) |
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| 23:39.12 | Weiss | Wonka: starting from an old 2.6.24 config? whenever people mention build problems like that on the kernel list, they get told to copy the default config from arch/arm/configs/gta-* |
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| 23:51.19 | quatrox | hmm... opkg upgrade gave me this: |
| 23:51.19 | quatrox | Stopping XServer |
| 23:51.20 | quatrox | Starting Xserver |
| 23:51.20 | quatrox | Configuring xserver-security-policy |
| 23:51.20 | quatrox | Collected errors: |
| 23:51.20 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.22 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.24 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.26 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.28 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.30 | quatrox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.53 | quatrox | anyway, it looks like it went ok:) |
| 23:54.35 | Wonka | Weiss: i took the default config and switched some stuff off, iirc |
| 23:54.57 | Wonka | gotta go to bed now :( |
| 23:57.47 | Ainulindale | New SHR preview out, for those of you interested in that. |
| 23:58.03 | Ainulindale | Not that much changes, except fastboot. |
| 23:58.18 | Ainulindale | s/much/many/ |