| 00:00.23 | mwester | (I understand that the original problem was that Google prohibited sharing of that nature, but now that Android is opensource, there should be no issue any longer) |
| 00:00.43 | pieterc | My laptop's battery runs out... guess i'll continue on my openmoko |
| 00:01.25 | Kensan | z3cka: Koolu has setup a repos |
| 00:01.31 | Kensan | z3cka: and forum |
| 00:01.32 | z3cka | mwester: the onlt issue was the mp3 licensing stuff, but now that it has been taken out- that should not be a problem |
| 00:01.38 | lindi- | it's odd how the terms are used |
| 00:01.51 | Kensan | z3cka: http://git.koolu.org/ |
| 00:01.59 | lindi- | 'openmoko' was supposed to refer to the distro and 'neo' was the name of hardware? |
| 00:02.11 | mwester | Yeah, Koolu seems to be very willing to work with the community, one of the guys there even hangs out on IRC now and again. |
| 00:02.21 | z3cka | Kensan: i have see that git repo... i don't know how to use it |
| 00:02.23 | Kensan | mwester: yeah, it's bricode |
| 00:03.00 | Kensan | z3cka: ping bricode, he is Koolu and working on Android |
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| 00:03.32 | z3cka | okay so if i follow the git directions... will i get the images? |
| 00:04.04 | Kensan | z3cka: no, for putting together a whole image there's a lot more involved... |
| 00:04.13 | Kensan | z3cka: maybe you could post on the koolu forums |
| 00:04.14 | z3cka | exactly |
| 00:04.50 | z3cka | Kensan: i think it would be cool if there was a place to download all of the different binaries |
| 00:05.11 | z3cka | i would love to host something like this |
| 00:05.41 | z3cka | for those of us that are git-challenged |
| 00:05.58 | jc | you just clone the repo |
| 00:06.09 | jc | and then use like soem gui tool to pick the version you want |
| 00:06.29 | z3cka | jc: then i can make my own images? |
| 00:06.34 | jc | for example Giggle is a pretty GTK tool to manipulate the repo |
| 00:06.40 | jc | well if they arent in the repo, yep |
| 00:06.47 | jc | you get a crosscompiler |
| 00:07.03 | jc | also, binutils, glibc and stuff for the target platform |
| 00:07.03 | z3cka | jc: are the images in the repo? |
| 00:07.10 | jc | well I could check |
| 00:07.17 | jc | what repo and what are you looking for ? |
| 00:07.17 | Kensan | z3cka: I am sure koolu will provide downloadable images once they have something usable/stable. |
| 00:08.21 | jc | basically you just clone the repo to your disk and then you manipulate it howerer you want locally as if it was yours |
| 00:08.39 | jc | the 'clone' contains all changes that were ever made to the repo and you can go through them locally |
| 00:09.04 | lindi- | unless somebody does rebasing? |
| 00:09.22 | jc | and that would be what ? |
| 00:10.09 | jc | well of course you can go only through the stored changes.. |
| 00:10.23 | Kensan | jc: z3cka does not want the code, he wants a prebuilt Android image. |
| 00:10.55 | jc | Kensan: maybe its on the repo alongside the code ? it could be |
| 00:11.00 | lindi- | jc: erasing history |
| 00:11.47 | Kensan | jc: well there's a toolchain but no prebuilt images. |
| 00:11.53 | jc | well you normally do that only with obviously bad changes and stuff and not natural evolution, so I guess previous major version would still be there, right? |
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| 00:12.05 | jc | so just use the toolchain to compile the code ? |
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| 00:47.37 | vininim | pieterc2: which image have you flashed? and are you upgraded? |
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| 00:55.22 | jc | LOL I just discovered theres an ARM7TDMI inside the GPS chip on freerunner :D |
| 00:55.34 | jc | yeey we have a dual processor phone :D |
| 00:55.49 | igor321 | is this some kind of joke? |
| 00:55.54 | jc | nope |
| 00:56.05 | jc | see for yourself |
| 00:56.05 | igor321 | then elaborate plz |
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| 00:56.26 | jc | its part of the atmel gps chip onboard freerunner |
| 00:56.32 | jc | probably used for calculations |
| 00:56.42 | jc | I don't know yet if it can be accessed, probably not |
| 00:56.59 | igor321 | is it crazy fast? |
| 00:57.07 | balrog-kun | jc: not dual :p |
| 00:57.15 | jc | yes dual, not multicore :P |
| 00:57.19 | jc | its on seperate die :P |
| 00:57.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r413854e05665 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemindicators.h: Make gcc 4.3 with fortify happy... |
| 00:57.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * reaaf19f54cd7 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [keyboard] Add a manual layout switch button to the keyboard |
| 00:57.33 | balrog-kun | jc: there is an ARM7TDMI in the GSM as well, and there's another programmable processor in the WLAN |
| 00:57.40 | jc | lol |
| 00:57.40 | balrog-kun | but i'm not sure which |
| 00:58.01 | balrog-kun | i think mips |
| 00:58.01 | jc | so basically just mcus controling the inner work of the components |
| 00:58.25 | igor321 | so what you guys are saying, if we were to harness the power of these chips at once... |
| 00:58.34 | jc | lol |
| 00:58.42 | jc | SMP via UART :D :D: D |
| 00:58.51 | jc | now THAT's fun |
| 00:59.55 | jc | balrog-kun you have some datasheet for the wlan? ;P |
| 01:00.31 | jc | balrog-kun can it force 802.11b modulation over g ? |
| 01:01.48 | balrog-kun | jc: i don't have anything :/ |
| 01:02.01 | balrog-kun | jc: i only know that you can upload and download firmware to/from it |
| 01:02.01 | jc | pitty.. pretty mystical component |
| 01:03.11 | igor321 | so, did anyone beside me notice how faster the glamo is with the new kernel? |
| 01:03.20 | igor321 | cause it's faster |
| 01:03.21 | jc | isn't it overclocked ? |
| 01:03.27 | jc | again... |
| 01:03.40 | igor321 | no man, it can never be overclocked |
| 01:03.49 | balrog-kun | i need to try downloading pieces of the firmware and running it through "file" or some disassembler and see what looks sane |
| 01:03.52 | igor321 | with glamo, it's never enough |
| 01:04.12 | jc | balrog-kun I have IDA if you want |
| 01:04.14 | balrog-kun | oh, btw the glamo also has a programmable RISC processor |
| 01:04.23 | jc | even for arms |
| 01:04.23 | balrog-kun | jc: no, thanks, i'll use opensource ;) |
| 01:04.29 | kd8ikt | kewl |
| 01:04.35 | jc | balrog-kun what do you reverse engineer with ? |
| 01:04.46 | igor321 | so that's like 4 cpus ;) |
| 01:04.50 | balrog-kun | jc: file? objdump? |
| 01:05.05 | jc | that doesn't sound pretty power friendly.. |
| 01:05.28 | jc | balrog-kun: well.. and disassembly and working with the code ? |
| 01:05.36 | balrog-kun | fortunately i don't have to reverse-engineer so much now |
| 01:05.53 | jc | I had to reverse engineer mikrotik backup formats in my former job |
| 01:05.56 | balrog-kun | jc: i use qemu a lot, together with gdb it gives you quite a good tool |
| 01:05.57 | jc | god I hate mikrotik |
| 01:06.19 | balrog-kun | gdb uses objdump for disassembly |
| 01:06.23 | jc | balrog-kun well but if the code you run tightly depends on hardware ? |
| 01:06.39 | balrog-kun | jc: then i emulate the hardware :p |
| 01:06.44 | jc | like, dunno some special memory control hardware so you can't run it under qemu ? |
| 01:07.13 | jc | well I don't think qemu emulates every gps chips controller on the planet :D |
| 01:07.19 | lindi- | jc: IDA is proprietary software :/ |
| 01:07.24 | jc | passive analysis must be sometimes necessary |
| 01:07.34 | balrog-kun | jc: i spend more time writing qemu emualtion than reverse engineering |
| 01:07.35 | jc | well I was wondering for some alternatives |
| 01:07.40 | jc | thats why I'm asking... |
| 01:07.54 | balrog-kun | jc: yeah, but for the gps i'm only curious about what arch it is |
| 01:07.56 | lindi- | balrog-kun: qemu does not do thumb instructions well yet |
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| 01:08.02 | jc | IDA is extremely comfortable, really I wonder why nobody wrote anything opensource like it yet |
| 01:08.15 | jc | maybe cuz in opensource you don't have to reverse engineer that much.. |
| 01:08.33 | jc | well... don't they use thumb a lot in memory constrained environment ? |
| 01:08.38 | lindi- | IDA is extremely proprietary, you can't fix bugs in it and give it to a friend after that |
| 01:08.43 | balrog-kun | jc: plus, the GPS chip (u-blox) allows has a kind of debug mode which allows you to write/read hardware registers in it, and dump memory |
| 01:08.49 | balrog-kun | i've never tried to use it yet |
| 01:09.01 | jc | of course, why would you ;) |
| 01:09.07 | jc | just fun tinkering with the hardware |
| 01:09.16 | balrog-kun | s/allows// |
| 01:09.51 | balrog-kun | lindi-: i don't have problems with thumb support in the current version |
| 01:09.57 | jc | or maybe like hack the gps chip to allow for military gps precision :D |
| 01:10.04 | balrog-kun | but that doesn't exclude bugs |
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| 01:10.39 | jc | or hack the gsm to allow for jamming your providers signal |
| 01:10.41 | jc | that would be nasty |
| 01:11.03 | lindi- | balrog-kun: really? last time i looked at qemu source it did implement only very minimal set of thumb instructions |
| 01:11.04 | jc | its pretty good that smart people are not evil, even with this hardware |
| 01:11.11 | igor321 | i heard that is really easy to ddos gsm |
| 01:11.15 | balrog-kun | on the other hand there's someone from ARM Ltd. now overseeing qemu arm support |
| 01:11.45 | balrog-kun | lindi-: that's strange |
| 01:11.58 | jc | so you like develop an arm board |
| 01:12.02 | balrog-kun | lindi-: maybe that was Thumb2? |
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| 01:12.13 | jc | and then write emulation for it and memory map it directly into qemu ? |
| 01:12.42 | balrog-kun | currently Thumb2 is also supported but it wasn't yet in the last release |
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| 01:13.15 | lindi- | balrog-kun: i was reading 0.9.1 |
| 01:13.43 | balrog-kun | jc: i don't do any real reverse engineering in my current job |
| 01:14.21 | jc | me neither, not anymore... |
| 01:14.22 | balrog-kun | lindi-: 0.9.1 thumb support had been confirmed by running various OSes under it :p |
| 01:14.58 | balrog-kun | including palmos, symbian |
| 01:15.26 | jc | btw the datasheet for the cpu is so great |
| 01:15.54 | jc | I like that its style is pretty close to for example atmels avr datasheets and stuff, its easily comprehensible |
| 01:16.28 | lindi- | balrog-kun: it is possible i confused it with gxemul |
| 01:17.04 | lindi- | balrog-kun: i could not figure out how to have qemu jump to raw binary. i see there is a very tiny "bootloader" for linux |
| 01:17.27 | balrog-kun | i've not tried gxemul |
| 01:17.55 | balrog-kun | lindi-: yes, if you supply -kernel <somefile> it'll load it at some place in memory and jump to it |
| 01:18.27 | balrog-kun | that'll work on all targets although the address and all will be different on each target |
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| 01:40.05 | jc | balrog-kun btw what frontend to gdb do you use ? |
| 01:40.57 | Psi | what do i need to setup to get internet working on gta01 Qtopia over gprs |
| 01:41.39 | balrog-kun | jc: the readline frontend (the default) |
| 01:41.57 | jc | Psi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 01:42.00 | balrog-kun | jc: i hear you can use anjuta with it nicely and in addition integrate anjuta with qemu |
| 01:42.12 | Psi | thanks |
| 01:42.40 | jc | balrog-kun you think the defaults ok if you get used to it ? |
| 01:42.55 | balrog-kun | jc: yeah, definitely |
| 01:43.08 | jc | I used it a lot with eclipse formerly and it was ok, but only in default configuration, reconfiguring ant on eclipse is hell |
| 01:43.12 | balrog-kun | it could use some default keybindings... |
| 01:43.21 | jc | like vim |
| 01:43.40 | zash | vim ftw! |
| 01:43.48 | jc | well I think i'll spend some time with gdb then... |
| 01:43.59 | jc | if thats hackers opinion :) |
| 01:44.07 | Psi | hm..do i have to setup a wap account in the settings menu? |
| 01:44.28 | jc | Psi dunno, sorry I didn't do anything with gprs yet so I can't help you.. |
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| 02:06.42 | jc | well, I'm going to sleep, goodbye and happy hacking :) |
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| 02:10.43 | zxcfsd | sup |
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| 02:24.39 | nicfer | Would be there a low end version of the openmoko OS? |
| 02:25.22 | nicfer | For lower end devices |
| 02:28.15 | Staticwave_Ace | nicfer: FSO is the free software phone achetecture, that's the closest to an "openmoko OS" |
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| 02:29.25 | nicfer | So, what OS uses the freerunner? |
| 02:29.54 | Staticwave_Ace | uhm, the freerunner runs linux |
| 02:30.02 | Staticwave_Ace | any kind of linux you want, really |
| 02:30.14 | Staticwave_Ace | its two main distros right now an openembedded and debian |
| 02:30.18 | Staticwave_Ace | but gentoo also works |
| 02:31.03 | nicfer | Oh, I thought that it had a main OS |
| 02:31.18 | Staticwave_Ace | nope, plain old linux for armv4 devices will run |
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| 02:33.44 | nicfer | Would those phones work on other devices? |
| 02:34.17 | Staticwave_Ace | FSO is being written in such a manner as to run on any device |
| 02:34.33 | nicfer | Phones - devices |
| 02:34.46 | Staticwave_Ace | for example, it could likely be adapted for the android G1 phone, or the Qt greenphone |
| 02:36.40 | nicfer | Would be likely a version of FSO for future lower end devices from FIC? |
| 02:37.27 | Staticwave_Ace | can't speak for FIC, but FSO is currently written in python mostly, so it would require systems capable of running linux + python |
| 02:38.44 | nicfer | Why was chosen python if it's slower than plain C? |
| 02:39.24 | Staticwave_Ace | much quicker development I believe |
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| 02:39.33 | Staticwave_Ace | likely it would eventually be ported directly to C |
| 02:41.20 | nicfer | But then, there wouldn't be too many platforms to port it right? |
| 02:42.13 | Staticwave_Ace | well, hopefully linux, platform agnostic C |
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| 03:34.15 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07framework * r5bca10f9b3ba 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (39 files in 9 dirs): ogsmd: Use right daemon name in header |
| 03:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | Staticwave_Ace: who's FIC??? |
| 03:38.20 | Staticwave_Ace | DocScrutinizer: openmoko's benefactor (parent company) |
| 03:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | are you sure? |
| 03:38.40 | Mononoke | lol yes :) |
| 03:38.54 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | hm, me not |
| 03:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | nope OM is mfg |
| 03:39.30 | slaxxin | fic didnt build them? |
| 03:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | we're no longer associated to FIC, please note |
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| 03:40.29 | slaxxin | who builds the hardware now>// |
| 03:40.32 | Staticwave_Ace | ah, well, didn't know that |
| 03:41.01 | slaxxin | it cant be a secret |
| 03:41.09 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.37 | slaxxin | hmmmmm |
| 03:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | the hardware is built by chinese workers, in a fab on mainland china that incidentally is owned by FIC. this doesn't mean FIC is mfg of devices. As Siemens wasn't mfg of Cmmodore Amiga |
| 03:42.25 | slaxxin | ic |
| 03:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | also we might change fab eventually, still we (OM) are MFG of FR, not the hired fab |
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| 03:50.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | btw: wtf is "mfg"? ;-) mit freundl. gruessen |
| 03:52.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | (just to stop inventing another meaningless TLA) |
| 03:54.30 | slaxxin | just because sears sells lawnmowers with Craftsman name doesnt make it a Craftsman mower |
| 03:54.50 | pjz | mfg is kind of standard shorthand for 'manufacturer' |
| 03:54.54 | slaxxin | so yes fic is the mfg |
| 03:55.19 | slaxxin | om is just the,, how do i say it? |
| 03:55.44 | pjz | slaxxin: no: OM spun completely off from FIC |
| 03:56.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | i should know better, don't you agree? *I* am the manufacturer |
| 03:56.09 | slaxxin | thats good |
| 03:56.18 | slaxxin | great |
| 03:56.43 | pjz | slaxxin: fab is only incidentally owned by FIC; implies that OM could use another fab if they had reason or even just whim |
| 03:56.48 | slaxxin | i guess u modified all those v5's by hand to? |
| 03:57.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | pjz: what actually will happen eventually |
| 03:57.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: a few of them ;-) |
| 03:57.42 | pjz | would actually kind of assume that OM had maybe shopped around for another (cheaper/better) fab somehow |
| 03:57.43 | slaxxin | i would like to see so other mfg's get a run on this platform |
| 03:57.52 | slaxxin | how |
| 03:58.05 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | pjz: that's maybe correct |
| 03:58.27 | slaxxin | an the best |
| 03:58.43 | slaxxin | fic is good mfg |
| 03:58.47 | pjz | slaxxin: you think there's only one fab in china? or that all the fabs in china are the same? |
| 03:58.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: that's incorrect |
| 03:59.05 | slaxxin | i dont think that |
| 03:59.30 | pjz | slaxxin: HK or taiwan may also have fabs that might be cheaper/faster/better on some axes |
| 03:59.39 | slaxxin | i think that there are always choices to make an a couple bad choices were made |
| 03:59.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: no matter what U think, I *know* |
| 04:00.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | pjz: better, faster. yes |
| 04:00.34 | slaxxin | so u disagree with me? |
| 04:01.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: definitely fic fab is not the best fab OM could find |
| 04:02.03 | slaxxin | i dont know i think fic is a great motherboard mfg |
| 04:02.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | we're building phones tho |
| 04:02.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | in low qty |
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| 04:02.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | they barely can do this at all |
| 04:03.33 | slaxxin | i know setup a whole line for what 20,000 devices |
| 04:03.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | U won't see 0402 on a mainboard |
| 04:03.49 | pjz | slaxxin: I'd imagine that phones are quite different from motherboards: just the case mfg is going to be quite different |
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| 04:06.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: have you visited our old fab? have you visted new alternative fabs here in TPE |
| 04:06.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | ? |
| 04:07.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: just look at the board of your FR. don't you think the manufacturer is written on it? |
| 04:08.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | *yawn* |
| 04:10.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | just remebers the bare boards are produced even another place, by a different contractor - lol |
| 04:10.32 | slaxxin | i dont know |
| 04:11.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: you don't know WHAT? Whether you joined us on fab visits? |
| 04:11.38 | slaxxin | lolol |
| 04:11.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | man, that's bad ;-) |
| 04:11.55 | slaxxin | sorry to be a thorn in your side |
| 04:12.23 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah, you make my day |
| 04:14.25 | slaxxin | can ya make the next 1 where i dont gotta mess with the sim to change the sdcard? |
| 04:15.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: btw, if you find *any* mentioning of FIC in wiki, src, or recent hw, please file a bugreport so we can erase it ;-) |
| 04:17.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | wiki might keep a few tho, for historical reasons |
| 04:18.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | s/historical reasons/documenting OM history/ |
| 04:19.40 | flaushy | o.O |
| 04:19.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | ??? |
| 04:20.12 | flaushy | a lot of changes happend then,since i last checked the website |
| 04:20.29 | flaushy | is reading up the news |
| 04:21.39 | flaushy | just realized that most of what you said was completely new to me :/ |
| 04:21.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah, which news? split from FIC is long ago. OM is manufacturer of their own devices. It's that simple |
| 04:21.58 | flaushy | kk |
| 04:22.10 | flaushy | then i am just confused at this time of day |
| 04:22.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | me neads breakfast :-) |
| 04:22.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | needs |
| 04:22.56 | flaushy | yeah |
| 04:23.29 | flaushy | 3 hours to go,then i need to leave for work :/ |
| 04:24.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | darn, what's Ur TZ? or ... what's thet work? |
| 04:24.31 | flaushy | germany:P |
| 04:24.49 | flaushy | need to keep a computer pool running at sunday |
| 04:24.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | work on sunday morning? :-( |
| 04:25.09 | flaushy | a good job while studying |
| 04:25.15 | flaushy | doesnt collide with lecture times |
| 04:25.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | ok then |
| 04:25.38 | flaushy | at least it doesnt most of the time |
| 04:28.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | well, hope you got a "feldbett" there. take a nap and let the boxes do their tasks ;-) |
| 04:28.50 | flaushy | sleep on keyboard is very helpful ... did that last week :P |
| 04:28.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | :D |
| 04:29.11 | flaushy | and quite often long ago |
| 04:29.24 | flaushy | until a coworker mentioned that the boss is often around on weekends |
| 04:29.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | watch focuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 04:29.39 | flaushy | and i figured out i havent seen him ... or slept |
| 04:36.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | sleeping with ear on the pager should be perfectly allowable |
| 04:36.39 | flaushy | hehe |
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| 04:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, So Dez 7 12:39:47 2008. Sunny weather outside. Time for a walk I'd guess, get some real food |
| 04:41.00 | flaushy | hf |
| 04:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 04:45.04 | Mononoke | btw after the mp3 think I hope that someone still developes mplayer for moko ? :/ |
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| 04:51.33 | wildnux | ? |
| 05:20.07 | d-b | Mononoke: don't be silly what xglamo ? (ducks as mpeg 4 hardware acceleration is removed) |
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| 07:52.30 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r0c44e0625a10 10/fsod/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 07:52.30 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Setting log_level works now |
| 07:52.30 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Set default log level to INFO in fsod.conf |
| 07:52.30 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Change log levels in input helpers |
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| 07:56.28 | sylar1991 | hi, could anybody help me please? I'm not able to share my internet connection with my neo fr throught wifi connection |
| 07:57.04 | Sargun | sylar1991, alright. |
| 07:57.09 | Sargun | Are you 17 or 16 years old? |
| 07:57.17 | sylar1991 | 17 |
| 07:57.19 | Sargun | What distribution are you using? |
| 07:57.29 | sylar1991 | Sargun: why are you asking my age? ^^ |
| 07:57.37 | sylar1991 | I'm using shr |
| 07:57.39 | Sargun | Can you establish a PDP context? |
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| 07:57.52 | Sargun | (GPRS connection) |
| 07:57.55 | Sargun | on the phone? |
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| 07:58.04 | tessier | Hello all |
| 07:58.06 | Sargun | I know latency is bad, but it's not this bad. |
| 07:58.10 | Sargun | tessier, neat hostmask. |
| 07:58.16 | tessier | Sargun: Thanks! ;) |
| 07:58.24 | sylar1991 | Sargun: no, but I need to share my home internet connection from pc via wifi |
| 07:58.48 | tessier | has a Freerunner which he bought in July which he has barely used because the software at the time was pretty unusable |
| 07:59.03 | Sargun | sylar1991, So you're trying to share wired internet with your FR? |
| 07:59.16 | tessier | Has it improved much since then? Worth flashing and giving it another try? I'm looking for the docs and how to upgrade the thing and I can't seem to find them on the wiki. They used to be very easy to find... |
| 07:59.20 | sylar1991 | not wired, via wifi |
| 07:59.41 | Sargun | sylar1991, have you just tried setting the wireless settings via iwconfig |
| 07:59.48 | Sargun | tessier, go with SHR |
| 07:59.59 | sylar1991 | tessier: has you tried shr? |
| 08:00.08 | tessier | Sargun: SHR? Is that a distro? I was thinking FDOM might be the most fun to play with since it has lots of apps. |
| 08:00.21 | Sargun | FDOM or SHR |
| 08:00.28 | sylar1991 | Sargun: sorry but I'm not able to do that |
| 08:00.45 | Sargun | sylar1991, What are you, HAL? |
| 08:00.51 | sylar1991 | tessier: follow the KISS method :P It is the better |
| 08:01.01 | tessier | sylar1991: So which is simpler? :) |
| 08:01.12 | sylar1991 | shr |
| 08:01.35 | sylar1991 | Sargun: yes, I need to configure the redirect of my internet connection on my eeepc from usb (umts modem) to wifi |
| 08:01.46 | sylar1991 | [sorry for my bad english, I'm Italian...] |
| 08:02.00 | Sargun | sylar1991, I know you're Italian, and your English is well. |
| 08:02.22 | Sargun | sylar1991, Is your laptop running Windows, MaCrap, or Linux? |
| 08:02.34 | sylar1991 | ArchLinux |
| 08:03.05 | Sargun | Did you try to configure it to do ad-hoc mode |
| 08:03.26 | Sargun | and do the same on your FR |
| 08:03.28 | sylar1991 | Sargun: I have no experience with networking... |
| 08:03.41 | sylar1991 | I'm not able to do that |
| 08:03.51 | tessier | sylar1991: Can shr be upgraded online without having to reflash like FDOM says it can? |
| 08:03.54 | sylar1991 | (that is the problem :P) |
| 08:04.15 | sylar1991 | tessier: Of course |
| 08:04.41 | sylar1991 | tessier: just type "opkg update" and then "opkg ugrade" |
| 08:04.46 | tessier | Ok. I'll try out shr then. Where is the docs for how to flash the thing with the new firmware? |
| 08:05.06 | sylar1991 | tessier: wut? which firmware? |
| 08:05.07 | tessier | The current firmware (from before july) is very unreliable. It won't even finish an opkg upgrade. |
| 08:05.14 | tessier | kernel etc. |
| 08:05.49 | tessier | ah, SHR = Stable Hybrid Release. The successor to ASU it seems. |
| 08:05.51 | sylar1991 | tessier: just use the default method (download from here http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ the latest images and flash them with dfu) |
| 08:06.06 | sylar1991 | tessir: yessss |
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| 08:06.25 | sylar1991 | Sargun: so could you help me in the configuration of my internet connection sharing? |
| 08:06.31 | Sargun | uhm |
| 08:06.46 | Sargun | sylar1991, Uhm, I don't know how to configure archilinux |
| 08:06.56 | Sargun | can't you do it over the USB cable? |
| 08:07.02 | sylar1991 | ah ok. no problem |
| 08:07.12 | sylar1991 | yes but it isn't so confortable.... |
| 08:07.26 | Sargun | but basically you need to put your ArchLinux box into ad-hoc mode |
| 08:07.48 | sylar1991 | now I'm looking on internet |
| 08:08.36 | sylar1991 | Sargun: why do you asked my ages some minutes ago? oo |
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| 08:10.37 | Wonka | flaushy: hehe, i am quite happy i'm not doing "Helpdesk" (aka Night Support) anymore... |
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| 08:37.54 | tessier | What's the difference between rootfs.jffs2 and rootfs.tar.gz? Which do I need? |
| 08:38.28 | sylar1991 | jff2 to flash on the flash memory, tar.gz to install on the sd |
| 08:39.41 | tessier | ah, ok. So I need jff2. Will this upgrade the kernel also? It looks like it would just do the rootfs. |
| 08:39.59 | tessier | But my kernel is over 6 months old. Surely there is a new version by now. |
| 08:41.06 | sylar1991 | use the latest-kernel image |
| 08:41.44 | tessier | I don't see anything -kernel in here http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
| 08:43.58 | tessier | ah, uImage looks like it: uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 08:44.03 | tessier | sweet |
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| 09:06.54 | rooly | whew doggy |
| 09:06.57 | rooly | sighs |
| 09:07.06 | rooly | android is the most stable but doesn't work |
| 09:07.14 | rooly | after that is qtopia 4.3.2 |
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| 09:10.21 | flaushy | Wonka: i got an excel workshop here, "economic Engineers" guess what fun it would be to remotely kill the machines ^^ |
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| 09:30.42 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03andy 07stable * r98980f5f52df 10/build: uboot-build-default-toolchain-path.patch |
| 09:31.00 | tessier | hmm...shouldn't the phone be able to charge off of the USB port of the PC? |
| 09:31.07 | rooly | it sure should |
| 09:31.11 | rooly | windows needs a driver |
| 09:31.20 | tessier | I have it plugged in and it always dies within seconds of power-on |
| 09:31.25 | tessier | Even though it is plugged into my Linux box |
| 09:31.37 | rooly | ...your battery very well *might* be drained |
| 09:32.49 | tessier | I guess it isn't like a laptop in that they will run from power even when the battery is fully dead. |
| 09:33.04 | rooly | no, its not |
| 09:33.28 | rooly | if you're lucky you will be able to partially charge it enough by having it plugged in while turned off |
| 09:33.52 | rooly | once it's able to boot, keep it plugged in until its fully charged |
| 09:35.22 | tessier | Wish it had some sort of charging indicator. |
| 09:35.37 | rooly | it does |
| 09:35.58 | rooly | latest kernels turn on the red led in the aux button while charging |
| 09:36.31 | tessier | Mine is over 6 months old. I bought it and haven't flashed it or anything. |
| 09:36.40 | tessier | The software was in pretty rough shape then so I put it aside for a while. |
| 09:37.00 | tessier | Now I want to check out the latest. So I was going to flash it (now that I believe I've figured out how to do so) and it won't stay on |
| 09:37.31 | rooly | just plug it in and turn on uboot |
| 09:37.32 | tessier | I used it for about a week or so. It was always running itself dead within hours. So the battery is probably totally drained now. And running an ancient kernel which doesn't indicate charging. |
| 09:37.50 | rooly | that should help it charge some |
| 09:37.58 | rooly | flash to the latest uboot while your at it |
| 09:38.19 | tessier | uboot is the boot menu I get when I hold down aux while powering on? |
| 09:38.26 | rooly | yes |
| 09:38.31 | tessier | uboot currently runs for about 5 seconds and then it dies. |
| 09:38.39 | rooly | while plugged in? |
| 09:38.42 | tessier | Yes |
| 09:39.01 | rooly | well, boot to the second uboot partition |
| 09:39.26 | rooly | first is aux,power; second is power,aux |
| 09:40.15 | tessier | Is it normal to have to hold the power button for a good 5 seconds before it powers up? |
| 09:40.36 | rooly | its not uncommon, i can say that much |
| 09:40.46 | rooly | you just need to let it sit plugged in for a few hours |
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| 09:41.11 | tessier | That dies within seconds also. |
| 09:41.17 | tessier | Yeah. I guess I'll have to try this again tomorrow. |
| 09:41.40 | rooly | let it sit plugged in for a few hours turned off |
| 09:41.51 | rooly | it'll get enough of a partial charge to run |
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| 09:41.58 | rooly | maybe to boot |
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| 09:51.42 | nubbun | Can one tell what hardware revision a freeRunner is? by visual inspection? is the information on the wiki or elsewhere? |
| 09:52.08 | rooly | yes, no, yes |
| 09:52.23 | nubbun | where described? |
| 09:52.39 | alephnull | /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:52.53 | rooly | "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
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| 09:53.23 | nubbun | and there I would be able to see that a phone is the A7 hardware release, if it is? |
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| 10:02.20 | nubbun | I don't have a phone to try it. I wish to buy an A7 revision phone and want to be able to see what revision it is and describe to reseller how to acertain the hardware revision. |
| 10:03.01 | rooly | would a7 happen to be gta03? |
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| 10:08.06 | j4p13j0 | Hi .... Is there a limit to the size of the kernel in flash ? Kernels bigger than 2MB seem to fail CRC and wont boot ? |
| 10:09.27 | nubbun | Mentions A7 & GTA03 but can't see if they are same: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_1st,_2008 |
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| 10:09.49 | nubbun | i haven't been able to find out the relationship between A7 & GTA03 with a web search. |
| 10:10.24 | nubbun | j4p13j0: you can set the kernel option to compile with optimization for size. or do you have that set already? |
| 10:11.33 | j4p13j0 | nubbun: No, not compiling myself. Tried to use Seans kernel from where the android images are |
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| 10:15.25 | Nigbot | Tired of nigggerrrss? Are you aware that all other races are descended from extraterrestrials that populated central asia while NEGROIDS actually evolved in Africa from apes? Then join us at http://www.chimpout.com Chimpout.com welcomes Asians, Whites, mexicans, Jews, ets......but no niiigggerrrs!!! |
| 10:16.09 | rooly | what the fuck? |
| 10:16.20 | j4p13j0 | WTF indeed !? |
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| 10:17.22 | nubbun | Still less spam here than e-mail or www. |
| 10:17.35 | rooly | anywho |
| 10:17.39 | rooly | its way past my bedtime |
| 10:17.45 | rooly | in fact, its almost time to wake up |
| 10:17.46 | rooly | so nn |
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| 10:26.06 | Deubeuliou | Hi |
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| 10:28.46 | tessier | Yeay, it's got enough charge to stay up |
| 10:28.52 | tessier | Flashing the rootfs sure does take a while... |
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| 10:31.38 | Deubeuliou | I'm following the wiki to build/develop SHR ( http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building SHR ) but I can't use the ". setup-env" command, since the setup-env file is a symbolic link that is broken |
| 10:31.48 | Deubeuliou | How could I get this file ? |
| 10:31.59 | Deubeuliou | is there a command missing ? |
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| 10:40.02 | tessier | Wow. This is going to take at least half an hour to flash. |
| 10:40.47 | tessier | The wiki says: The flashing process can take up to 15 minutes for a ~70MB image. It is also wise to make sure that your Neo has enough battery charge prior to flashing. |
| 10:41.09 | tessier | If it is charging off of the USB port why wouldn't it always be guaranteed to have enough battery charge? |
| 10:41.12 | Sargun | haha |
| 10:43.00 | tessier | Looks like there are different uboots for gta02 v4 and v5 and up. |
| 10:43.24 | tessier | I'll have to figure out which version of gta02 I have before I upgrade the uboot. |
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| 10:48.34 | der-lehmann | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision |
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| 10:55.45 | Deubeuliou | Does anyone know how to get the setup-env file ? |
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| 11:10.01 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 11:28.36 | nubbun | der-lehmann: Do you know how A7 relates as a hardware revision and how to find out whether a device is A5,A6,A7? |
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| 11:53.18 | peter_b | hi |
| 11:54.00 | KenYoung | hi peter_b |
| 11:54.23 | peter_b | i got problems building shr-unstable |
| 11:54.33 | peter_b | freetype-native fails |
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| 11:54.50 | [-zeno-] | hi all |
| 11:54.55 | KenYoung | peter_b, Sorry - I have never built SHR. |
| 11:55.46 | peter_b | thy anyway |
| 11:55.55 | peter_b | anyone else here ? |
| 11:57.57 | KenYoung | peter_b, This channel tends to be most active during the evening in the US and Europe. |
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| 11:59.07 | balrog-kun | and on moon |
| 11:59.42 | peter_b | i know :-) |
| 11:59.54 | peter_b | has been here before ... |
| 12:01.32 | Deubeuliou | peter_b, were you following http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building SHR ? |
| 12:01.55 | Deubeuliou | I just read that something in the local.conf can break the building |
| 12:02.14 | peter_b | i did |
| 12:02.51 | Deubeuliou | in the local generation. that may be the problem. there's an update ("DON'T DO IT") |
| 12:03.39 | peter_b | hmm#got the locales disabled |
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| 12:03.51 | Sargun | I officially hate t-mobile. |
| 12:04.14 | KenYoung | Sargun, Why so? |
| 12:04.23 | Sargun | I activated one of their SIMs |
| 12:04.25 | Sargun | and it is bad |
| 12:04.36 | Sargun | bad as in it is locked to a dead device. |
| 12:04.52 | KenYoung | Sargun, I'm using a T-mobile SIM without problems. |
| 12:05.14 | Sargun | uhm |
| 12:05.21 | Sargun | Maybe it's only their prepaid stuff |
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| 12:23.14 | sylar1991 | hi, is it possible to install matchbox-keyboard in shr? |
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| 12:41.25 | imrehg | hi, anyone using the Android now? |
| 12:41.48 | imrehg | the last 2 or 3 images always ended up not running for me because of CRC fail.... |
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| 12:42.12 | [-zeno-] | imrehg, are you using u-boot? |
| 12:42.46 | j4p13j0 | I've got it running here. I used an older android kernel. Latest kernels fail for me too. Maybe because of its size ? |
| 12:42.59 | [-zeno-] | j4p13j0, exactly |
| 12:43.21 | [-zeno-] | try this: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1595739|a1596432 |
| 12:44.11 | lindi- | [-zeno-]: is there some way to see that without javascript? |
| 12:44.11 | j4p13j0 | zeno: thx for that ! |
| 12:44.38 | j4p13j0 | I can c/p: |
| 12:44.45 | j4p13j0 | setenv bootcmd setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} \${mtdparts}\; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x300000\; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 12:44.45 | j4p13j0 | saveenv |
| 12:45.05 | imrehg | [-zeno-] i think so... 1.3.2-moko12 (may 9) |
| 12:45.19 | lindi- | there is moko12 gsm firmware already? |
| 12:45.42 | [-zeno-] | lindi-, don't know... try to search starting from this page: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html |
| 12:46.09 | [-zeno-] | j4p13j0, you're welcome |
| 12:46.44 | lindi- | [-zeno-]: it only says 'openmoko.com * Wiki * Docs * Planet * Projects * Lists Openmoko Public Mailinglists' |
| 12:47.02 | [-zeno-] | lindi-, i'm sorry for that |
| 12:47.08 | lindi- | [-zeno-]: what's the message-id of the mail? |
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| 12:48.32 | [-zeno-] | lindi-, maybe this?: a1596432 |
| 12:49.20 | lindi- | "Message-ID: <493BC1D6.20900@gmx.net>" is an example of a message-id |
| 12:50.07 | [-zeno-] | lindi-, do you know a way to extract that id from html page? |
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| 12:51.26 | lindi- | [-zeno-]: haven't used nabble for the obvious reason :) |
| 12:51.35 | [-zeno-] | http://n2.nabble.com/Uboot-reports-Bad-CRC-with-newer-large-Kernel-tp1595739p1595739.html |
| 12:51.40 | [-zeno-] | try this link :) |
| 12:52.06 | lindi- | yeah that works, thanks |
| 12:52.14 | [-zeno-] | you're qelcome |
| 12:52.17 | [-zeno-] | *welcome |
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| 15:00.26 | pieterc | is Raster present? |
| 15:00.38 | pieterc | s/present/here |
| 15:00.44 | mickeyl | no |
| 15:00.54 | pieterc | curses |
| 15:00.59 | pieterc | a bit |
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| 15:43.31 | admiral0 | hi everybody |
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| 15:43.52 | Shlee | Hey |
| 15:44.57 | admiral0 | when hitting power on the freerunner what uboot does it start ? NOR or NAND? |
| 15:45.09 | SpeedEvil | NAND |
| 15:45.13 | admiral0 | yeah |
| 15:45.26 | admiral0 | perfect.. |
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| 15:46.23 | admiral0 | thank you |
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| 15:58.28 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * re5325858f1fc 10/init-fso-gpsd: Added "-S localhost:gpsd" to init script |
| 15:58.28 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r15f75f335efb 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): Prepared for release 0.8 |
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| 16:19.36 | slaxxin | gosh |
| 16:20.13 | jonkristian | gee |
| 16:21.29 | slaxxin | which os u running jon? |
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| 17:21.59 | jonkristian | slaxxin: debian and android currently |
| 17:22.14 | jonkristian | slaxxin: im testing hackable1 tonight though |
| 17:22.18 | jonkristian | you? |
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| 17:25.51 | Mononoke | jonkristian: will you make some blog summarizing them? I'd love to try oher distro but don't have much time, it might help at least selecting :) |
| 17:27.22 | jonkristian | Mononoke: Sorry but I don't think I will |
| 17:28.09 | jonkristian | Mononoke: I'm quite busy, only reason im doing anything apart form work is because it's sunday \o/ |
| 17:32.03 | jonkristian | Mononoke: but there are summaries around, if you do a search. |
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| 18:40.42 | pieterc | root@pieterc-laptop:/home/pieterc# hidd --connect 00:06:6E:17:7F:28 |
| 18:40.42 | pieterc | Can't get device information: Success |
| 18:40.59 | pieterc | ... anyone go this too? |
| 18:41.23 | pieterc | trying to run remoko |
| 18:41.59 | ArteK | hi, there are any kernel with wsod fix for shr/fso ? |
| 18:42.07 | pieterc | no |
| 18:42.11 | pieterc | not yet |
| 18:42.34 | ArteK | :/ |
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| 19:06.31 | Q-HowToTellIfPho | white_gecko: get compile working? |
| 19:14.13 | [-zeno-] | do you have fso-gpsd working on SHR? |
| 19:14.52 | [-zeno-] | if i telnet to port 2947 the daemon doesn't seem to receive any signal! |
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| 19:24.06 | white_gecko | Q-HowToTellIfA7: ? did I ask in this cannel? |
| 19:24.20 | white_gecko | Q-HowToTellIfA7: i got goocanvas compiled yes |
| 19:24.32 | white_gecko | Q-HowToTellIfA7: but not osm2go |
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| 19:36.28 | Q-HowToTellIfA7 | white_gecko: yes |
| 19:37.06 | Q-HowToTellIfA7 | white_gecko: you asked about a problem where it found the wrong libs. Which was that? |
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| 20:02.59 | white_gecko | Q-HowToTellIfA7: I don't know i just set up the whole tollchain again and then it worked |
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| 21:05.04 | johngay | Afernoon everybody |
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| 21:06.22 | badcloud | apt, play dead |
| 21:06.23 | apt | ACTION imitates Al Gore |
| 21:06.39 | badcloud | hahaha |
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| 21:06.53 | badcloud | didn't see that coming |
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| 21:43.09 | badcloud | how usable would you guys say Debian is on the FR at this point? |
| 21:43.27 | Dave | It's pretty awesome |
| 21:43.59 | badcloud | *drools* |
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| 21:45.02 | badcloud | any way to make it finger friendly? |
| 21:45.26 | badcloud | a theme, gui, etc |
| 21:45.37 | lindi- | badcloud: icewm is usable here |
| 21:45.50 | lindi- | badcloud: just add menu entries for all the important stuff you need |
| 21:46.01 | badcloud | right |
| 21:46.06 | lindi- | badcloud: and you don't need to use your virtual keyboard that much |
| 21:47.00 | badcloud | for telephony, no |
| 21:50.12 | Dave | uhh |
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| 22:02.55 | tessier | Well, I got my kernel and rootfs flashed. It's using FDOM because, oddly, that is what finished downloading first. |
| 22:03.28 | tessier | Does wifi generally work? It has an app called mofi that looks like it should enable wifi and it scans and detects my ap but when I say connect nothing seems to happen |
| 22:04.21 | igor321 | for me it's also like that |
| 22:04.33 | igor321 | but wifi works |
| 22:04.39 | igor321 | it's only mofi that suxx |
| 22:05.14 | tessier | So how do I connect to an ap? |
| 22:05.26 | Dave | iwconfig? |
| 22:05.40 | johngay | Hey Dave! |
| 22:06.42 | tessier | Manually messing with iwconfig from the terminal hardly qualifies as "works" . |
| 22:07.13 | igor321 | are you sure about that |
| 22:07.17 | igor321 | i think it qualifies |
| 22:07.27 | Dave | Oh gee, hello :P |
| 22:08.36 | johngay | I know you're gonna hate me, But I think I like qtExt {= |
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| 22:09.44 | Dave | barfs |
| 22:10.01 | Dave | John, well, have they even made any new progress on that front lately? |
| 22:10.10 | Dave | Last I checked, not much had happened after the initial stable release. |
| 22:10.19 | Dave | assuming it's even stable yet |
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| 22:20.29 | slaxxin | supply an demand works well untill the suppliers decide they dont wanna play that game anymore |
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| 22:26.03 | Dave | haw |
| 22:26.07 | Dave | Woo, go Sony! |
| 22:27.40 | SpeedEvil | go sony? |
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| 22:30.39 | Dave | as per slaxxin's comment :p |
| 22:30.45 | Dave | just citing a fun example :p |
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| 22:55.38 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd7c44908d9aa 10/docs/TODO: update TODO |
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| 23:33.12 | vininim_ | uh... how long does it take for last om-daily to boot? |
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| 23:36.33 | [Rui] | waves |
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| 23:38.47 | johngay | Sorry, was helpin' my daughter with her truck. |
| 23:39.26 | johngay | I miss having a terminal, and that will be a deal breaker. |
| 23:39.41 | johngay | ljp around? |
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| 23:43.11 | igor321 | im trying monkey island 3 in scumm and the vga animations are 5 x smoother than scrolling the illume home screen |
| 23:43.15 | igor321 | why is that? |
| 23:43.20 | igor321 | it's pissing me off :) |
| 23:44.31 | raster | igor321: very different graphics engine/path |
| 23:44.38 | raster | 1. no alpha |
| 23:44.40 | raster | 2. not 32bit |
| 23:44.52 | raster | 3. are u talking of fulscreen animations? |
| 23:45.04 | johngay | Hey raster. I tried you're illume. |
| 23:45.15 | igor321 | there's only the illume bar on top |
| 23:45.19 | raster | 4. very different internals. scumm wont be scaling on the fly |
| 23:45.29 | igor321 | it's fullscreen prerendered stuff from the game |
| 23:45.38 | raster | prerednered |
| 23:45.41 | raster | thats the key |
| 23:45.47 | raster | evas is rendering on the fly |
| 23:46.05 | raster | also take a really close look |
| 23:46.11 | igor321 | yes? |
| 23:46.17 | raster | evas is doing sily smooth gradients - itd dithering from 32bit to 16bpp |
| 23:46.26 | raster | unlike scumm... |
| 23:46.35 | raster | the quality is a world of difference |
| 23:46.40 | igor321 | isn't that sorta overkill, considering glamo and all |
| 23:46.48 | raster | nothgni to do with glamo |
| 23:46.52 | raster | thats just cpu cycles |
| 23:47.01 | igor321 | i'm sure most of us would trade some quality for some smoothness :) |
| 23:47.03 | raster | and that's evas's pipeline |
| 23:47.40 | raster | the freerunner is the worst i've ever seen evas perform |
| 23:47.52 | raster | its drastically better on just about everything i have ported it to |
| 23:48.06 | igor321 | have you by any chance tried it on the new gta03 soc |
| 23:48.08 | raster | from a 2001 ipaq 3660 (a machin 7 years older than the freerunner) |
| 23:48.08 | igor321 | ? |
| 23:48.13 | raster | nup |
| 23:48.26 | igor321 | man it's gonna be zippingly fast there |
| 23:48.30 | raster | why would i have a gta03 soc? |
| 23:48.33 | johngay | Yea, the poor coder always blames the hardware (-= |
| 23:48.46 | raster | johngay: the hardware is crap. |
| 23:49.00 | raster | my treo650 beats the fr |
| 23:49.05 | igor321 | raster: because of your former affiliations with om, i supposed they could give you an eval board to play with :) |
| 23:49.10 | raster | by an outback mile. |
| 23:49.19 | raster | igor321: i doubt they would. |
| 23:49.22 | [Rui] | sobs inconsolably. Setting up a bitbake build environment must be a freshman prank. |
| 23:49.25 | mickeyl | well |
| 23:49.31 | mickeyl | there are 2 working boards atm.... |
| 23:49.32 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:49.36 | mickeyl | [in words: two] |
| 23:49.42 | igor321 | mickeyl: oh... :) |
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| 23:50.08 | raster | igor321: i see no reason for them to give me anything. me and Om as a company are noton good terms - and likely never will be. |
| 23:50.09 | johngay | Considering rasters relation with OM, I'm surprised they sold him a FR (-= |
| 23:50.27 | raster | johngay: sold? i didn't buy one. |
| 23:50.32 | igor321 | raster: what you're saying is that evas is cpu intensive and that fucks up the glamo bandwidth? |
| 23:50.34 | igor321 | is that it? |
| 23:50.42 | raster | igor321: evas is whatever the engine does. |
| 23:51.14 | jc | what soc are you planning for gta03 ? |
| 23:51.15 | raster | igor321: it has many enignes. software (32 and 16bit) opengl, xrender, directdraw, d3d, quartz, etc. |
| 23:51.51 | igor321 | what am i using at the moment? |
| 23:52.00 | igor321 | i suppose 32 bit software? |
| 23:52.00 | raster | on the fr it's using software as 1. opengl is just not capable of drawing at vga and its texture limits are useless for 2d. |
| 23:52.17 | mickeyl | jc: s3c6410 |
| 23:52.22 | raster | xrender is unaccelerated on fr - u can enable it as it works, just it will also be using software |
| 23:52.28 | jc | mickeyl thx |
| 23:52.40 | jc | samsung, ahain |
| 23:52.42 | jc | *again |
| 23:52.46 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 23:52.47 | raster | there is a 16bit software engine and a 32bit one |
| 23:52.51 | mickeyl | very good relationship with 'em |
| 23:52.51 | raster | the 16bit one has bugs |
| 23:52.58 | mickeyl | and the 6410 is pretty slick |
| 23:52.58 | raster | and drops a lot of quality |
| 23:53.03 | johngay | Did I miss something, or is there no phone functionality in Illume ATM? |
| 23:53.12 | jc | it looks drastically better |
| 23:53.17 | jc | armv6 |
| 23:53.21 | SpeedEvil | raster: I thought you were an OM employee? Or was that in the past? |
| 23:53.23 | igor321 | raster: any way to enable that engine, just to see? |
| 23:53.33 | SpeedEvil | raster: Or did I imagine the whole thing? |
| 23:53.35 | raster | SpeedEvil: i quit in august |
| 23:53.38 | SpeedEvil | raster: ah |
| 23:53.41 | johngay | raster fired OM as an employer. |
| 23:53.50 | jc | I see it has jazelle |
| 23:53.58 | johngay | Can't say I blame him either. |
| 23:54.04 | jc | so mobile java acceleration? :) |
| 23:54.05 | igor321 | you're working for swisscom now? raster |
| 23:54.05 | raster | igor321: in e's config. software_16 xrender and software (32ibt) |
| 23:54.10 | raster | under engines in e's config panel |
| 23:54.45 | raster | johngay: my primary reason for actuall leaving is not public and has nothng to do with technical stuff. |
| 23:55.42 | raster | johngay: i have the utmost respect for the engineers @ om. |
| 23:55.44 | jc | btw. you should give it more buttons ;) |
| 23:55.52 | raster | johngay: i like them all as people and as friends. |
| 23:55.59 | raster | i liked them and working with them. |
| 23:56.07 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0d5ff03533ec 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: remove old low level AT parser, state-based one is default now |
| 23:56.22 | raster | igor321: i work for myself. swisscom is one of my clients. |
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| 23:57.55 | jc | its ugly when hacking and bussiness have to cross paths |
| 23:58.28 | igor321 | raster: that's really great, turn that master and servant paradigm around |
| 23:58.33 | igor321 | or something :) |
| 23:59.04 | igor321 | anyways i can't seem to find the engine selection dialog in shr's illume |
| 23:59.14 | igor321 | but i'm sure i've seen it before |
| 23:59.22 | igor321 | maybe they've removed it |
| 23:59.33 | raster | it may be under advanced |
| 23:59.37 | raster | maybe they did |
| 23:59.59 | johngay | I didn't think you had a problem with the engineers. |