| 00:05.09 | Dave | Freedom of beer choice? |
| 00:06.33 | Wonka | i chose not to drink beer |
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| 00:06.50 | Dave | Good for you :) |
| 00:07.29 | bricode | Mmmm.....beer. |
| 00:07.35 | bricode | enjoys a lovely Imperial. |
| 00:07.44 | bricode | La cervesa de Costa Rica. |
| 00:07.50 | Wonka | mmmmh, hog faaat! |
| 00:07.53 | Wonka | </homer> |
| 00:08.01 | Dave | :p |
| 00:08.07 | Dave | hehe |
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| 00:11.25 | Wonka | i am ripping the gps part out of zhone and improving it... |
| 00:11.36 | rooly | sound good to me |
| 00:12.11 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: yay! |
| 00:12.18 | Wonka | also, i am looking why my gps hangs regularly |
| 00:12.52 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: doing what to the GPS part? |
| 00:12.53 | Wonka | i would like to report a bug to FSO, but i'd need reportable logs first |
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| 00:14.29 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: GPS runs, data packets come in and get processed. then, an rxerr happens, so one ubx packet is corrupted. the next is received OK. after that, something hangs for several seconds up to several minutes. |
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| 00:14.51 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: I mean - are you doing anything other than bugfixes? |
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| 00:15.58 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/zhone-modwonka.png https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/zhone-modwonka-left.png say quite a lot, I think :) |
| 00:16.10 | Dave | Ze Germans! |
| 00:16.17 | CVirus | LOL |
| 00:16.28 | CVirus | ze dave |
| 00:16.31 | Kayin | Is there any other place to get the 2007.2 snapshots other than the currently down http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/ ? |
| 00:16.56 | henk | is there a reliable gui for wifi on Om testing? |
| 00:16.59 | Dave | From what date? |
| 00:17.07 | Dave | I have a handful. |
| 00:17.44 | Kayin | The, uh, most recent one, I suppose? My FreeRunner arrived only today, I'm still just messing around. |
| 00:18.00 | Wonka | forget 2007.2 |
| 00:18.25 | Kayin | Eh? |
| 00:18.27 | Wonka | it's, like, from over 1.5 years ago! |
| 00:18.31 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd32cffd07f1a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] disable +COLP=1 to prevent falling into FSO #211. |
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| 00:20.04 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rd183734d1aa9 10framework/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] disable +COLP=1 to prevent falling into FSO #211. |
| 00:20.18 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: so minor tweaks, not whole new app? |
| 00:20.43 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: i plan to remove nearly everything not GPS |
| 00:20.53 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: then do anything with it? |
| 00:21.06 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: and then add options to send reset commands to GPS |
| 00:21.20 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: so a debug framework ATM? |
| 00:21.48 | mickeyl | Wonka: nice! please send patches to us |
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| 00:22.01 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: at the moment, just a program to output as much data as possible in as senseful a way as possible |
| 00:22.03 | Dave | NEED FOR SPEED...EVIL!? |
| 00:22.16 | mickeyl | i wouldn't mind turning zhone into a debugging app |
| 00:22.27 | Dave | mickey, isn't it already? :P |
| 00:22.44 | mickeyl | got me ;) |
| 00:23.00 | Dave | :D |
| 00:23.00 | Wonka | mickeyl: i renamed it "zgps" here... gsm and stuff is already out, only locking is left in because i'd like to keep that |
| 00:23.49 | mickeyl | Wonka: your gps view looks good, I'd be interested in that, if it's isolatable |
| 00:23.53 | mickeyl | [as patch] |
| 00:23.58 | Wonka | mickeyl: it should be |
| 00:23.58 | Dave | hehe, did you just post those zhone screenshots, mickey? :P |
| 00:24.09 | mickeyl | Dave: which ones? |
| 00:24.16 | mickeyl | didn't post screenies since long |
| 00:24.26 | Wonka | Dave: chaos.in-kiel.de is mine :) |
| 00:24.27 | Dave | oh, okay |
| 00:26.24 | Dave | What is that for Wonka? |
| 00:26.43 | Wonka | Dave: what, that server? |
| 00:27.28 | Dave | that app, whatever it is? |
| 00:27.33 | Dave | madwonka |
| 00:27.40 | Dave | :p |
| 00:28.14 | Wonka | Dave: a modified zhone outputting more GPS stuff and in a more readable manner |
| 00:30.02 | Dave | I see... |
| 00:30.14 | Dave | secret plans? ¬_¬ |
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| 00:33.26 | Wonka | mickeyl: i haven't yet seen SN values higher than 45 yet - any idea how high they might become? |
| 00:34.08 | mickeyl | Wonka: no idea. alphaone and shoragan are the ublox masterz |
| 00:34.37 | mickeyl | happy to delegate all ogpsd work to other people |
| 00:34.46 | Wonka | the ubx packet has a U1 for that field |
| 00:34.49 | mickeyl | tis so complex |
| 00:34.58 | Wonka | meaning a range from 0 to 255 |
| 00:35.04 | Dave | whee |
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| 00:35.19 | Dave | Mickey, I'm sure, and let's not forget all the other stuff as well :) |
| 00:36.28 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 00:36.44 | mickeyl | as much as I'd love to i can't be specialist in all areas |
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| 00:49.49 | Wonka | oh so ack... |
| 00:50.14 | Wonka | add to this the old maxim "if you want it done properly, do it yourself"... |
| 00:50.22 | Wonka | and then surrender. |
| 00:50.29 | henk | what happens when i pres the power button? is that an apm event? does illume capture that? |
| 00:50.34 | Wonka | life sucks :) |
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| 00:54.21 | Wonka | np: Orbital - Halcyon & On & On |
| 00:54.28 | Wonka | <- drifting away |
| 00:54.38 | Wonka | dee dee lalalalala laaalalaaalaaa |
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| 00:58.51 | henk | apm --verbose --suspend says: apm: Device or resource busy. any ideas? |
| 00:59.26 | SpeedEvil | passes Wonka a GPS to fix his drift. |
| 00:59.48 | Wonka | keeps blocking... |
| 01:00.09 | SpeedEvil | orbital++ |
| 01:04.27 | Dave | Wonka, what are you high on? Christmas spirit? |
| 01:04.27 | Dave | :P |
| 01:04.47 | Wonka | good music |
| 01:05.54 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.37 | emsyr | Hi! |
| 01:09.05 | emsyr | Can anyone help me with importing contacts in Qtopia? |
| 01:09.20 | emsyr | OM 2008.9 |
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| 01:23.14 | mickeyl | does qtopia show the virtual operator or always the real network operator? |
| 01:23.33 | sda00 | can someone help me to get a working binaries for qemu? i used all ways described in wiki but failed to start openmoko in qemu. thanks. |
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| 01:36.26 | Dave | nuclear wessels! |
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| 01:42.43 | max_posedon | sda00, Same for me, but I think problem isn't with binaries but with rootfs, kernel and u-boot |
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| 01:44.52 | sda00 | i'm now trying to get all of this... the all wiki and makefiles seems to be heavily outdated |
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| 01:59.19 | balrog-kun | max_posedon: most likely u-boot |
| 01:59.36 | Dave | Balrogkun! |
| 01:59.44 | balrog-kun | hides |
| 01:59.54 | Dave | You can't get away THAT easily! >:) |
| 01:59.58 | Dave | releases the hounds |
| 02:00.12 | balrog-kun | runs |
| 02:00.28 | max_posedon | ), Dave may be you can say, how to emulate gta02fake, or at least gta01 successfully? |
| 02:00.29 | balrog-kun | max_posedon: try a very old u-boot |
| 02:00.39 | max_posedon | hm.. ok, thanks, I'll) |
| 02:00.41 | balrog-kun | with today's kernel + rootfs |
| 02:01.24 | balrog-kun | http://folks.o-hand.com/andrew/u-boot.udfu-gta01-fixed-gsm-passthrough <-- here's one very old |
| 02:01.32 | balrog-kun | but i can't guarantee it'll work |
| 02:02.05 | balrog-kun | 22-Oct-2007 |
| 02:02.22 | Dave | :p |
| 02:02.41 | Dave | :q |
| 02:02.43 | balrog-kun | it should at least show the bootsplash and give you commandline |
| 02:03.00 | max_posedon | bootsplash and commandline I have with current |
| 02:03.01 | balrog-kun | command prompt* |
| 02:03.12 | max_posedon | but when I try boot from nand |
| 02:03.13 | balrog-kun | max_posedon: when does it fail then? |
| 02:03.35 | max_posedon | I see how kernel loads into ram, and ... gta01 (virtual) restarting |
| 02:03.44 | max_posedon | and I see boot menu 2nd time. |
| 02:03.48 | balrog-kun | hmm, that's weird |
| 02:04.24 | balrog-kun | you should debug the kernel |
| 02:04.38 | balrog-kun | kernel is easy because you get a meaningful trace easily |
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| 02:04.50 | max_posedon | may be you can just suggest rootfs and kernel with witch qemu works?) |
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| 02:05.17 | balrog-kun | well, 99% of the rootfs'es until ~january worked |
| 02:05.29 | balrog-kun | that's about when i stopped using it |
| 02:05.57 | balrog-kun | anything between Jan 2007 and Apr 2008 probably |
| 02:06.20 | max_posedon | ok, I'll try thanks |
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| 02:07.10 | balrog-kun | someone should really debug the kernel |
| 02:07.42 | sda00 | sorry, where can i grab a working rootfs? thanks |
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| 02:09.35 | balrog-kun | does android run on gta01? |
| 02:10.15 | zash | GAAAh |
| 02:10.42 | rooly | hahaha |
| 02:10.45 | rooly | maybe |
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| 02:10.56 | rooly | the rootfs is only 20-30 megs iirc |
| 02:11.30 | balrog-kun | wow, that's rather lean |
| 02:11.38 | balrog-kun | compared to OM |
| 02:11.56 | rooly | OM is a full linux distro |
| 02:12.15 | rooly | android is basically a gui app with a java runtime |
| 02:12.34 | balrog-kun | yeah |
| 02:12.37 | sda00 | do you have a repo with an old releases available? |
| 02:12.49 | rooly | granted, thats a gross oversimplification |
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| 02:12.57 | balrog-kun | but that implies lots of legacy cruft in OM too |
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| 02:13.39 | sda00 | where can i grab 2008.8 for gta01 (qemu)? |
| 02:17.01 | max_posedon | sda00, I think you can find something here ( http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ ) for yourself |
| 02:17.43 | balrog-kun | you shouldn't need to downgrade the rootfs |
| 02:17.59 | sda00 | max_posedon, thanks, but actually i do need illume... ok. may be i'll compile it be myself. thanks (guys here are very helpful) |
| 02:37.43 | sda00 | max_posedon, you are right! works now! |
| 02:38.04 | max_posedon | you shouldn't thanks me, but balrog-kun ) |
| 02:38.22 | sda00 | thank you guys! |
| 02:38.23 | max_posedon | I took kernel from Apr2008, and it works |
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| 02:38.39 | sda00 | +1, but also grabbed u-boot |
| 02:40.51 | Dave | :] |
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| 02:44.08 | max_posedon | It's of cource nice, but ugly that make qemu doesn't work with current MokoMakefile, or it was replaced with smth? |
| 02:47.59 | sda00 | can you advise how to call terminal? |
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| 03:32.17 | Dave | boo |
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| 03:39.24 | swc|666 | pee's himself a bit in pheer |
| 03:57.59 | sicu | seems like the Death_Dealer could use some tena lady ;p |
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| 04:11.02 | dns53 | in FDOM i want to get rid of the sub menu's, how are these done? |
| 04:17.13 | vininim | D/WifiHW ( 1197): Unable to open connection to supplicant on "eth0": No such file or directory |
| 04:17.36 | vininim | oh nevermind =X |
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| 04:43.52 | slaxxin | is anybody more pleased with shr than me? |
| 04:44.45 | dns53 | if it's power saving was working it would be great |
| 04:45.21 | dns53 | or perhaps not over working |
| 04:46.22 | slaxxin | does fdom work better//? |
| 04:46.53 | slaxxin | opkg upgrade does what to fdom? |
| 04:47.19 | slaxxin | is fdom still recieving updates? |
| 04:47.37 | slaxxin | i see its still at 10232008 |
| 04:48.07 | slaxxin | no news on that front |
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| 04:48.59 | dns53 | shr looks the best, it needs the apps from fdom though |
| 04:49.28 | slaxxin | is fdom recieving any updates? |
| 04:49.59 | slaxxin | cs time |
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| 04:57.12 | rooly | woo |
| 04:57.16 | rooly | installing a crapload of apps on me phone |
| 04:57.18 | rooly | and loving it |
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| 05:08.53 | slaxxin | what u using shr? |
| 05:09.01 | rooly | no |
| 05:09.02 | rooly | asu |
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| 05:15.54 | slaxxin | so does suspend work correctly on asu? |
| 05:16.02 | rooly | sure |
| 05:16.38 | dns53 | it does it even when you don't ask for it sometimes |
| 05:17.23 | rooly | suspend on asu works very predictably |
| 05:17.25 | slaxxin | an still locks? |
| 05:17.50 | rooly | maybe you guys can't use it, but i can |
| 05:17.51 | slaxxin | i guess it was a bug |
| 05:18.12 | slaxxin | i used it for sometime but |
| 05:18.24 | slaxxin | what i want to know |
| 05:18.42 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.22 | slaxxin | are u using opkg? |
| 05:19.47 | rooly | mmhmm |
| 05:23.16 | rooly | crap |
| 05:23.21 | rooly | they took mplayer out of the repos |
| 05:23.39 | dns53 | yeah patent trolls |
| 05:24.36 | gurugentoo | they couldn't just remove mp3 support |
| 05:24.40 | gurugentoo | bah |
| 05:24.46 | rooly | no...not really |
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| 05:26.58 | dns53 | mencoder is there |
| 05:27.25 | rooly | what package gives the wrench icon in the top-left corner? |
| 05:28.04 | slaxxin | illume-config illume |
| 05:28.15 | dns53 | it's an option in illume, install illume-config-illume |
| 05:28.37 | rooly | right |
| 05:28.39 | rooly | installed that |
| 05:28.43 | rooly | i guess i need to reboot to get it |
| 05:29.33 | dns53 | delete your .e/* and restart X |
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| 05:31.38 | rooly | nope |
| 05:31.40 | rooly | no wrench |
| 05:33.37 | dns53 | let me check the keyboard page on the wiki |
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| 05:36.50 | dns53 | i think it was just install illume-config-illume and remove the cache in ~/.e/ and restart X, you may need illume-config as well |
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| 05:37.31 | d-b | wtf ? no mplayer epic fail |
| 05:38.08 | d-b | meh. who is going to host the non-free repo ;) |
| 05:38.36 | dns53 | some have thaught about doing that |
| 05:38.52 | rooly | if you do it, you open yourself up to legal implications |
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| 05:39.01 | d-b | rooly: i'm in australia. its fine |
| 05:39.08 | rooly | well, do it |
| 05:39.20 | rooly | i'm in the US |
| 05:39.20 | d-b | give me the bandwidth ? |
| 05:39.25 | rooly | can't do crap over here |
| 05:39.28 | rooly | land of the free indeed |
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| 05:40.11 | dns53 | who knows, it might be illegal content and put on the censored list |
| 05:40.28 | d-b | dns53: yeah hence my vps elsewhere ^^ |
| 05:40.51 | d-b | rooly: alternatively we could put a tracker up for the files rofl. |
| 05:45.54 | rooly | my favorite app is the openvibe |
| 05:47.53 | dns53 | the problem with distributions is many apps are in only one distro |
| 05:50.22 | mwester | predicts an increase in the number of users using OE to build their own private repos. |
| 05:52.59 | rooly | hmm |
| 05:53.04 | rooly | unlocked g1 announced... |
| 05:53.16 | rooly | you guys should kept google on the team |
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| 05:54.45 | slaxxin | what 2 months before they unlocked? |
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| 06:08.52 | vininim | hey, isn't there some regulation problem because freerunner doesn't have a kill-switch? |
| 06:09.43 | muffdiver69 | ? |
| 06:10.28 | slaxxin | it does too |
| 06:10.54 | slaxxin | wth |
| 06:11.22 | mwester | kill switch? please clarify your meaning. |
| 06:12.05 | vininim | I thought that all eletronic devices should have a "hard power off" button/switch |
| 06:12.14 | rooly|away | it does |
| 06:12.29 | mwester | vininim: who requires that? |
| 06:12.51 | rooly|away | definitely not the FCC (ipods, iphones, etc) |
| 06:13.39 | vininim | let me see if I can find the source |
| 06:24.14 | FxChiP | er |
| 06:24.19 | FxChiP | iPhone DOES have a "hard power off" switch |
| 06:24.56 | FxChiP | It doesn't necessarily *appear* to be one, but if holding the power button that long doesn't work, the hard reset and then holding the power button will. |
| 06:25.25 | FxChiP | I don't know about the FreeRunner. |
| 06:34.41 | rooly|away | freeruner is pretty damn easy: step one: open battery cover. step two: remove battery |
| 06:35.18 | FxChiP | step three: have fun getting it to turn on ever again :D |
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| 06:47.20 | rooly|away | hmm |
| 06:47.28 | rooly|away | qtopia-phone-x11-bluetooth |
| 06:47.31 | rooly|away | what could that be |
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| 06:53.35 | gecco | good morning |
| 06:53.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | moin |
| 06:53.58 | rooly|away | mornin gecco |
| 06:54.06 | rooly|away | got me message? |
| 06:54.13 | gecco | yes! |
| 06:54.14 | gecco | :) |
| 06:54.26 | rooly|away | fine peice of software |
| 06:54.27 | gecco | you are the first |
| 06:54.52 | rooly|away | i so rock |
| 06:54.55 | gecco | thank |
| 06:55.34 | rooly|away | altho i can't say its my favorite software |
| 06:56.15 | rooly|away | #1 is openmoocow, #2 is openvibe, #3 is lint |
| 06:56.20 | gecco | ahah |
| 06:56.31 | gecco | openmoocow rulez |
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| 06:56.48 | gecco | do you really use openvibe? :) |
| 06:57.18 | rooly|away | just installed it |
| 06:57.28 | rooly|away | gonna suprise my gf tomorrow |
| 06:58.02 | gecco | take picture :) |
| 06:58.22 | rooly|away | uh, nope. get yer own |
| 06:58.46 | gecco | :) |
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| 07:00.40 | gecco | if you want to try http://danigm.net/node/46 this is another twitter client for openmoko... but i haven't tried |
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| 07:02.33 | penguinator | how hard would it be to get base64 (the unix utility) on 2008.9? |
| 07:02.47 | penguinator | i think it is nessisary to use wpa_supplicant with certs or something |
| 07:09.34 | gecco | really? |
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| 07:12.36 | penguinator | i'm getting this error: "Failed to read client cert/key in PEM format: Base64 decoding error." |
| 07:13.24 | gecco | ah |
| 07:13.37 | penguinator | from wpa_supplicant |
| 07:15.03 | penguinator | do you know if it uses coreutils or busybox or something else? because it's in core utils |
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| 07:32.44 | dns53 | where there any twitter clients that work with a laconica server? |
| 07:38.53 | gecco | penguinator: i don't know |
| 07:39.04 | penguinator | ah |
| 07:39.06 | gecco | dns53: what is laconica server? |
| 07:39.09 | penguinator | i created a bug report |
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| 07:40.02 | dns53 | it's a agpl twitter clone, identi.ca is the most popular (but not the only) instance, it has a twitter compatable api so it should be easy to change it to work |
| 07:42.53 | penguinator | gecco: i produced teh same error on my laptop as on the phone by temorarily moving /usr/bin/base64, so that's very probably the problem |
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| 08:10.09 | CVirus | niclone == nicolas ? |
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| 08:24.02 | Sargun | Laconica sucks. |
| 08:24.27 | CVirus | is that a metal band ? |
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| 08:33.56 | Sargun | read above |
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| 08:34.16 | hipitihop | hiho all |
| 08:34.24 | Sargun | hih |
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| 10:30.25 | poco | hi |
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| 10:31.29 | poco | just bought a freerunner. uname -a seems to answer apr 2008, so it should be 2007.X. |
| 10:31.45 | poco | how could i know when the battery is fully charged? |
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| 10:38.30 | carlo_ | do you have an icon in the upper right corner? |
| 10:43.56 | nubbun | /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0 ? |
| 10:44.18 | nubbun | in there should be text files, if you are accessing from text console. |
| 10:44.37 | nubbun | (at least on my laptop. I don't yet have a Neo.) |
| 10:44.57 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 10:45.15 | SpeedEvil | sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt |
| 10:45.19 | SpeedEvil | or similar |
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| 10:58.19 | gecco | in my openmoko is /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat |
| 10:59.47 | poco | yes i do have an icon top right |
| 11:00.27 | gecco | this icon, now, is a "flash" or a battery? |
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| 11:00.52 | poco | a battery with a flash inside |
| 11:01.02 | poco | got no '/' slash on the keyboard btw |
| 11:01.33 | poco | nor tab |
| 11:01.37 | gecco | when icon is a flash... is charching |
| 11:01.59 | poco | gecco, thanks |
| 11:02.06 | gecco | for keyboard you have to install more keyboard or click in the icon in upper right corner |
| 11:02.20 | gecco | upper right corner of the keyboard |
| 11:02.34 | dns53 | see the wiki page for keyboards |
| 11:03.21 | poco | ok |
| 11:03.29 | gecco | dns53: yes... url? i don't find now :) |
| 11:03.32 | poco | i will upgrade the kernel first maybe |
| 11:03.53 | gecco | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate |
| 11:03.55 | gecco | this |
| 11:04.19 | gecco | do you have om2007 or om2008? |
| 11:04.26 | poco | how to know? |
| 11:04.34 | poco | uname -a? |
| 11:04.59 | viq | I have SHR, and tangogps doesn't see the gps, only openmoko-agpsui is able to get the coordinates, any ideas what that could be and how to solve this? |
| 11:06.09 | gecco | viq: On the Openmoko Freerunner (but not 1973) you have to edit /etc/default/gpsd and set GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1". Furthermore you have to power the GPS up. It is off by default. |
| 11:06.29 | gecco | poco: if you have a new openmoko i think you have 2007 |
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| 11:22.17 | viq | gecco: I have SHR on the card |
| 11:23.36 | gecco | check if you have the file /etc/default/gpsd |
| 11:25.30 | gecco | ahhhh |
| 11:25.37 | gecco | viq: do you have installed gpsd? |
| 11:28.25 | viq | I was led to believe SHR doesn't need it? |
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| 11:29.13 | gecco | but tangogps need it |
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| 11:32.40 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 11:39.36 | TAsn | is the android wiki page up to date? |
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| 11:39.47 | TAsn | I want to see the official android status, if there's any. |
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| 11:42.04 | janrikard | TAsn: read seans page on the wiki, and on the koolu-forum, i dont know if it totaly updated, but it makes it work |
| 11:42.17 | TAsn | I don't want to install it |
| 11:42.29 | TAsn | I just want to know what's already there and what's missing |
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| 11:42.49 | TAsn | I friend asked me about it, and since I don't have it installed I have to look for an official status page ;] |
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| 11:43.06 | viq | lindi-: and I was led to believe that should happen automatically? |
| 11:43.46 | TAsn | viq, iirc fso-gpsd is installed by default in shr |
| 11:43.46 | TAsn | just |
| 11:44.18 | TAsn | opkg list_installed | grep fso-gpsd |
| 11:47.24 | janrikard | TAsn: my gsm doesnt work, thats a bummer, but i think that it depends on something ive done |
| 11:48.01 | TAsn | when I had android gsm worked |
| 11:48.12 | TAsn | so what you are talking about is a specific issue and not a general issue |
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| 11:48.31 | TAsn | I'm talking about missing on screen keyboard, not coming back from suspend, etc etc |
| 11:51.18 | pabs3 | I just downloaded andy's kernel to see if it fixes WSOD but u-boot gives a CRC error after loading it. does anyone else have that issue? |
| 11:51.50 | viq | TAsn: yes, it is installed |
| 11:52.01 | TAsn | then it should work... |
| 11:52.16 | viq | I know it should ;) |
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| 12:06.49 | gecco | i have check now in my SHR |
| 12:07.00 | gecco | fso-gpsd is installed but need to start |
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| 12:07.59 | viq | So, /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start ? |
| 12:08.55 | gecco | yes |
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| 12:10.24 | gecco | mhh... i make a shr version of http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gpsdcontrol/ |
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| 12:11.54 | viq | Hm, fso-gpsd seems to be started automaticaly, and listening on the right ports |
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| 12:15.17 | gecco | my fso-gpsd don't start at boot... |
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| 12:17.29 | viq | Hm, fso-gpsd started and listening on right ports, tango still doesn't get a fix |
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| 12:27.54 | viq | telnet localhost gpsd gives nothing either... |
| 12:27.55 | dns53 | a program like agpsui would be great for fso |
| 12:28.23 | viq | dns53: it is in opkg repositories for shr |
| 12:28.37 | viq | and I've installed it. and it's the only thing that is able to get anything from GPS |
| 12:29.27 | poco | mmm... my neo is again black screen. a simple click on power button does not switch it on. any idead? |
| 12:29.49 | SpeedEvil | poco: neo, or FR? |
| 12:29.55 | poco | freerunner |
| 12:30.02 | poco | with om 2008.9 |
| 12:30.05 | dns53 | suspend does not always work |
| 12:30.21 | dns53 | remove battery and start again |
| 12:30.24 | d-b | dns53: or you could use debian and xgps |
| 12:30.40 | poco | dns53, should i disable suspend? |
| 12:30.45 | d-b | i think debian / fso is the only one i can't reliably crash. |
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| 12:32.29 | dns53 | suspend works a lot of the time in 2008.9, it works better in shr, it works best in qtopia but none are perfect yet |
| 12:33.37 | poco | dns53, ok |
| 12:34.07 | poco | is there a mgical incantation to open the battery compartment? it seems to be stick right now |
| 12:34.20 | SpeedEvil | you mean the back? |
| 12:34.27 | SpeedEvil | Ok. |
| 12:34.42 | SpeedEvil | bend your fingers.and hold them rigid. |
| 12:34.52 | SpeedEvil | Place the nail of your middle finger into the slot on the FR case |
| 12:35.00 | SpeedEvil | place the heel of your hand on the middle of the case |
| 12:35.23 | SpeedEvil | now, holding your hand rigid, move your arm to lift up the slot |
| 12:35.31 | SpeedEvil | and it should pop right off |
| 12:35.39 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r08b194fafd54 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/ (4 files): |
| 12:35.39 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: Python Subsystem: |
| 12:35.39 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Do not call "factory" in fsod-python-plugin constructor |
| 12:35.39 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Move this to new call_factory public method |
| 12:35.39 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Add objects private field |
| 12:35.40 | poco | spaceplu1, yep thanks :) |
| 12:35.44 | poco | SpeedEvil, thanks :) |
| 12:39.49 | edje | hmm.. after the upgrade to 2008.11 my ilume keyboard seems not to function.... anyone else with the same problem? |
| 12:40.27 | poco | how do i scroll down in menus in 2008.8? |
| 12:40.51 | poco | ah ok |
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| 12:45.24 | poco | where is the console in 2008.8 ? |
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| 12:46.41 | dns53 | install xterm |
| 12:47.28 | poco | ok |
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| 12:55.18 | sda00 | hello, could you please advise which rootfs from here: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ contain E+illume instead of Qt as a default UI? thanks |
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| 13:12.26 | max_posedon | sda00, http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
| 13:12.33 | max_posedon | more correct link for illume images |
| 13:13.19 | sda00 | HUGE THANKS! |
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| 13:27.09 | sda00 | max_posedon, sorry to bother you, but will those images contain a basic terminal? |
| 13:27.28 | max_posedon | what do you mean under "basic terminal"? |
| 13:28.09 | max_posedon | shr-images contain illume?-terminal |
| 13:28.37 | sda00 | yesterday i build once more using MokoMakefile an images but they're all based in Qt and there's no console/termonal inside (or i can't start it) |
| 13:29.44 | max_posedon | yes, latest qt image hasn't gui terminal, but you can use ssh) |
| 13:29.46 | sda00 | all i need is console/terminal app and E+illume |
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| 13:30.10 | max_posedon | I understand, yes, shr image contains such terminal) |
| 13:30.20 | sda00 | thanks! |
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| 14:03.01 | Pau1us | hi |
| 14:03.34 | Pau1us | is there a way to change the keyboard-layout, which is used for usb-keyboards? |
| 14:03.46 | lindi- | Pau1us: which X server? |
| 14:04.23 | Pau1us | the one, which is used in shr |
| 14:04.42 | lindi- | Pau1us: sorry, i do not know which one that is |
| 14:04.45 | lindi- | Pau1us: ps axuf? |
| 14:05.30 | Pau1us | cant i change the layout systemwide, that it is used on the console too? |
| 14:06.36 | balrog-kun | yes, but you'd need to change the layout for X separately i think |
| 14:06.54 | balrog-kun | for console you would use "loadkeys" to change the layout |
| 14:07.00 | balrog-kun | i'm not sure if it's installed on SHR |
| 14:07.22 | lindi- | Pau1us: i might be able to answer if i knew what X server you use |
| 14:07.36 | Pau1us | i think its kdrive |
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| 14:09.45 | lindi- | Pau1us: xdpyinfo might show what extensions it supports. at least xmodmap should work |
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| 14:11.34 | Pau1us | lindi-: ok thx |
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| 14:49.43 | poco | is there any syncml client for the freerunner? |
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| 15:45.56 | sda00 | max_posedon, one more THANKS! AWESOME! http://www.imagebam.com/image/17341420179136 http://www.imagebam.com/image/d1eeea20179137 http://www.imagebam.com/image/262afc20179138 http://www.imagebam.com/image/1f5a2f20179401 |
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| 15:47.50 | morgner | does anyone have experience in setting up gadgetfs on the openmoko (on the actual phone)? |
| 15:48.14 | morgner | mount throws an "unknown filetype" error, although gadgetfs is listed in /proc/filesystems |
| 15:48.29 | morgner | filetype=filesystem |
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| 15:48.58 | morgner | g_ether is unloaded and compiled as kernel module |
| 15:50.16 | lindi- | morgner: hmm? |
| 15:50.29 | lindi- | morgner: what's gadgetfs? |
| 15:51.05 | morgner | a kernel module that allows programming usb gadgets from userspace |
| 15:51.24 | lindi- | morgner: ah |
| 15:51.36 | lindi- | morgner: i think i should look into that, a usb keyboard would be niec |
| 15:51.47 | balrog-kun | i've been using gadgetfs on PC only |
| 15:52.13 | balrog-kun | there wasnt anything special about mounting it, i even added it to fstab, with |
| 15:52.19 | balrog-kun | gadget /dev/gadget gadgetfs noauto,user,group 0 0 |
| 15:52.23 | Dave | :o |
| 15:52.32 | lindi- | balrog-kun: you have usb device support on your PC? |
| 15:52.40 | lindi- | (ie. not host) |
| 15:53.27 | balrog-kun | lindi-: not a real one, let me look up what it was called |
| 15:53.34 | morgner | same here, pc is ok. but moko not. i've noticed that dummy_hcd is not available on the openmoko, nevertheless gadgetfs loads without error |
| 15:53.44 | balrog-kun | oh, yes, dummy_hcd |
| 15:54.30 | morgner | usb connection is not for qemu. i want to emulate an other usb device for the pc. |
| 15:54.32 | lindi- | balrog-kun: ah so it can talk back to the same computer? |
| 15:54.41 | balrog-kun | lindi-: basically it makes a fake usb host and usb device which are connected and both driven by your own computer |
| 15:55.11 | lindi- | balrog-kun: ok, useful for testing |
| 15:55.23 | lindi- | balrog-kun: but i of course want this on my phone so i can use it as emergency keyboard for my PC |
| 15:55.29 | balrog-kun | morgner: if you look at the gadgetfs code it has separate handling for each type of hardware |
| 15:55.35 | balrog-kun | which is stupid if you ask me |
| 15:55.58 | balrog-kun | i guess there's something wrong in s3c24xx support in gadgetfs then |
| 15:56.51 | lindi- | balrog-kun: what makes you think so? |
| 15:57.06 | lindi- | i'm sure you can just enable it? |
| 15:57.23 | balrog-kun | lindi-: because it works with dummy_hcd but not with s3c24xx hcd for morgner |
| 15:58.10 | morgner | balrog-kun: s3c24xx hcd, is that an other kernel module i need to load? |
| 15:58.19 | lindi- | ah |
| 15:59.28 | balrog-kun | morgner: it's the s3c24xx usb device support |
| 15:59.44 | balrog-kun | morgner: if g_ether works then it should be already in |
| 15:59.54 | balrog-kun | because g_ether uses it like gadgetfs |
| 16:00.07 | morgner | ok, then it should work |
| 16:00.33 | balrog-kun | maybe it's not hcd... maybe that's udc... i forget :p |
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| 16:00.55 | balrog-kun | yes, udc makes more sense |
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| 16:04.43 | morgner | balrog-kun: i found a directory called /proc/irq/41/s3c2410_udc and a loaded kernel module named ohci_hcd, but not a kernel module named *udc. anyway, i suppose thats fine since g_ether runs without problems |
| 16:05.55 | morgner | could there be a problem with mount? i mean the filesystem is registered, but mount can't find it... |
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| 16:08.30 | lindi- | would be interesting to make usb-sniffer by working as man-in-the-middle in usb |
| 16:08.41 | lindi- | not sure how possible that would be |
| 16:09.28 | balrog-kun | morgner: it's probably compiled in, not a module |
| 16:09.39 | SpeedEvil | I dunno if you can have a hub gadget |
| 16:09.41 | balrog-kun | morgner: i think the problem is more likely in the kernel |
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| 16:10.09 | balrog-kun | mount alone doesn't need to know the names of the filesystems |
| 16:11.01 | balrog-kun | morgner: what's the command line? |
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| 16:11.42 | morgner | balrog-kun: you mean the commands i use to mount gadgetfs? |
| 16:11.51 | balrog-kun | morgner: yes |
| 16:12.56 | morgner | rmmod g_ether; insmod .../gadgetfs.ko default_uid=`id -u`; mkdir -p /dev/gadget; mount -t gadgetfs gadgetfs /dev/gadget |
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| 16:13.50 | balrog-kun | and /dev/gadget doesn't exist before that? |
| 16:13.56 | morgner | yes |
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| 16:35.34 | TAsn | what can be the cause for an sd card not recognized? |
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| 16:37.24 | Schugy | SDHC in a SD-Card Reader |
| 16:37.52 | TAsn | I got a working sdhc |
| 16:38.08 | TAsn | though I'm now trying my father's micros sd... |
| 16:38.13 | Schugy | or more than 2 GB capacity should be SDHC but isn't always |
| 16:38.18 | TAsn | there isn't a device node |
| 16:38.53 | Schugy | or maybe a multi card reader has sda, sdb, sdc .... |
| 16:39.12 | Schugy | dmesg helps |
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| 16:39.55 | TAsn | im talking about the moko |
| 16:39.59 | TAsn | im trying in my moko |
| 16:40.06 | TAsn | and there isn't a device node for some reason. |
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| 16:41.42 | walkie | cat /proc/partitions |
| 16:44.31 | mwester | TAsn: if /dev/mmcblk0 doesn't exist, then check dmesg for errors to see why the kernel didn't detect it correctly. If the kernel *did* detect it, but no device node appeared, then udev may be the problem. If the kernel had errors, then adjust the timing parms on the boot command line. If the kernel didn't see it, then the card may be defective (or improperly inserted). |
| 16:45.15 | TAsn | mwester, I got nothing in dmesg |
| 16:45.19 | TAsn | only messages about the bat |
| 16:45.41 | TAsn | nothing more than that (really nothing, not even non bat related messages) |
| 16:46.57 | mwester | What's a bat? |
| 16:47.01 | TAsn | battery |
| 16:47.12 | TAsn | sec I will boot the moko with the second card again. |
| 16:47.23 | mwester | Ok, then the mmc card is not even detected |
| 16:47.48 | TAsn | btw, is the sd on the moko hot swapable? I mean, when connected no power (so you can remove the bat) can you hot swap the card? |
| 16:48.08 | mwester | No |
| 16:48.50 | TAsn | ok now I got real data in dmesg |
| 16:48.57 | TAsn | what should I grep forL |
| 16:48.58 | TAsn | ? |
| 16:49.13 | TAsn | mmc_set_power(power_mode=2, vdd=15 |
| 16:49.13 | TAsn | SD power -> 2700mV |
| 16:49.17 | TAsn | I got this |
| 16:49.39 | mwester | just pastebin the portion of the log that deals with mmc messages |
| 16:50.23 | TAsn | there are a couple of sections that contain the word mmc |
| 16:50.31 | TAsn | are all of them relevant? |
| 16:50.36 | mwester | Dunno |
| 16:50.50 | TAsn | what's glamo-mci ? |
| 16:51.18 | mwester | The part of the glamo that talks to the SD card |
| 16:51.20 | TAsn | I think I found something relevant mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card |
| 16:51.39 | mwester | Yep, that would be bad. |
| 16:51.48 | TAsn | what's error -110? |
| 16:52.55 | mwester | Negative numbers as return values in the kernel usually are -(errno), so just look up 110 in the standard linux error code list (errno.h and similar). Google has lists. |
| 16:53.58 | mwester | Despite the precise meaning, it would indicate some type of error when trying to read or initialize the card; either the card doesn't work or you may need to adjust the kernel parameters to accomodate that card. |
| 16:54.56 | TAsn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.57 | TAsn | ;\ |
| 16:55.52 | TAsn | I already read somewhere about the timeout bug |
| 16:55.59 | TAsn | I think I'll further investigate it. |
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| 17:00.31 | morgner | balrog-kun: do you know how to reach one of the kernel developers? |
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| 17:02.03 | morgner | balrog-kun: nevermind |
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| 17:05.53 | rooly | so yeah |
| 17:06.02 | rooly | make sure the next gta can wake itself up whenever it wants to |
| 17:06.21 | rooly | as opposed to power calls and gsm input |
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| 17:27.58 | pahsile_ | hay ihr arschlöcher |
| 17:28.20 | pahsile_ | hey ihr spasten |
| 17:28.43 | pahsile_ | was |
| 17:28.52 | pahsile_ | leckt mich |
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| 17:30.05 | pahsile_ | fickt euch ihr honks |
| 17:30.54 | pahsile_ | ho mann kickt mich |
| 17:30.59 | pahsile_ | oder ich fick dich |
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| 17:32.20 | pieterc | hi, how do i connect to the android openmoko with adb? |
| 17:32.24 | pieterc | I tried adb devices |
| 17:32.28 | pieterc | but that shows me nothing |
| 17:32.44 | pieterc | It is connected though |
| 17:32.51 | rooly | adb doesn't allow anything more then charging last i heard |
| 17:32.54 | igor321 | u has 2 kill server |
| 17:33.09 | pieterc | igor: i did that |
| 17:33.15 | igor321 | & specify da env value |
| 17:33.31 | igor321 | dat is ur mokos ip adreesss |
| 17:33.58 | igor321 | like zis ADBHOST=192.168.0.202 |
| 17:34.03 | igor321 | that will do da trik |
| 17:34.59 | pieterc | pieterc@pieterc-laptop:~/Freerunner$ ./adb kill-server |
| 17:34.59 | pieterc | pieterc@pieterc-laptop:~/Freerunner$ ADBHOST=192.168.0.202 ./adb devices |
| 17:35.00 | pieterc | * daemon not running. starting it now * |
| 17:35.00 | pieterc | * daemon started successfully * |
| 17:35.00 | pieterc | List of devices attached |
| 17:35.00 | pieterc | pieterc@pieterc-laptop:~/Freerunner$ |
| 17:35.10 | pieterc | ? |
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| 17:39.13 | igor321 | it isn't listed |
| 17:39.17 | igor321 | try adb shell |
| 17:39.37 | pieterc | pieterc@pieterc-laptop:~/Freerunner$ ADBHOST=192.168.0.202 ./adb shell |
| 17:39.37 | pieterc | error: device not found |
| 17:39.37 | pieterc | pieterc@pieterc-laptop:~/Freerunner$ |
| 17:39.57 | lindi- | what's abd? |
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| 17:40.25 | lindi- | debian does not have any binary named abd :/ |
| 17:41.35 | pieterc | it's for android lindi- |
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| 17:54.18 | igor321 | pieterc: you might try restarting the phone with usb plugged ins |
| 17:54.21 | igor321 | *in |
| 17:54.30 | igor321 | there's something about it on the wiki |
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| 18:03.26 | igor321 | man gta03 is gonna be damn powerful |
| 18:03.41 | igor321 | state of the art soc and all |
| 18:03.42 | rooly | like samus arran |
| 18:03.54 | igor321 | yeah, just like that dude |
| 18:03.58 | rooly | what |
| 18:03.58 | rooly | no |
| 18:04.01 | rooly | slaps igor321 |
| 18:04.25 | igor321 | lemme google for a minute |
| 18:04.45 | rooly | google for samus |
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| 18:05.11 | igor321 | metroid? |
| 18:05.17 | rooly | yes, metroid |
| 18:05.46 | igor321 | okay, so is the gta03 gonna be as powerful or more powerfull than this dude? |
| 18:05.55 | rooly | you keep getting it wrong |
| 18:06.01 | rooly | "dude" is inaccurate |
| 18:06.12 | igor321 | ahhhh it's a chick |
| 18:06.20 | igor321 | couldn't tell from the helmet |
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| 18:07.15 | igor321 | and samus is not a girly name by any measure |
| 18:07.25 | poco | hi! does anyone knows a syncml client for the freerunner? |
| 18:08.17 | poco | any idea why i am completely unable to use my gps? i tried "location" and "tangogps" but both seems to have a 0 position and date (either 1-1-1970 or another strange date). gprs is running though |
| 18:08.35 | rooly | gprs is internet |
| 18:08.48 | rooly | gpsd is what tango relies on |
| 18:09.41 | igor321 | you have to go outside and wait a lot |
| 18:09.47 | igor321 | hope it's not too cold ;) |
| 18:10.23 | poco | gpsd yes |
| 18:10.45 | poco | that may be the reason yes. got another gps but maybe its antenna is longer |
| 18:11.11 | rooly | have you changed the gps device in /etc/default/gpsd ? |
| 18:11.16 | igor321 | what distribution are you using? |
| 18:11.24 | poco | yes 2008.9 |
| 18:11.38 | igor321 | that dist suxx balls |
| 18:11.42 | poco | tango seems connecting to the daemon |
| 18:11.43 | igor321 | take my advice and flash shr |
| 18:11.59 | rooly | poco, you just need to go outside and stand still for a while |
| 18:12.05 | poco | which is shr ? |
| 18:12.11 | rooly | make sure the FR is held vertically |
| 18:12.23 | poco | rooly, ok will try that |
| 18:12.37 | rooly | igor321, the gps is hardware goose. no need for a linux vs. linux flamewar |
| 18:12.58 | igor321 | depends on his hw revision |
| 18:13.11 | igor321 | and yes, linux suxx :) |
| 18:13.16 | rooly | poco, when did you buy the phone |
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| 18:13.35 | poco | rooly, 2 days ago |
| 18:13.40 | Temris_ | hackable1 |
| 18:13.55 | rooly | then its the latest revision, igor321 |
| 18:14.07 | poco | from france distributor though |
| 18:14.13 | igor321 | well obviously the hw issues are sorted for him |
| 18:14.27 | igor321 | so he only needs to reflash or gtfo ;) |
| 18:14.32 | igor321 | out of his house, that is :) |
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| 18:16.46 | rooly | can't wait til gta03 |
| 18:16.51 | rooly | maybe it'll run windows 7 |
| 18:17.02 | igor321 | let's hope so |
| 18:17.16 | zash | BUT WHY? |
| 18:17.22 | igor321 | it's definately powerful enough |
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| 18:17.30 | igor321 | zash: because he can |
| 18:17.36 | zash | igor321: okay then |
| 18:18.03 | rooly | what about a multi-core cpu |
| 18:18.16 | rooly | altho i do realize thats kinda a different game for arm processors |
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| 18:18.31 | igor321 | the specs are already out basically |
| 18:18.46 | igor321 | hope someone ports gta4 on that monster |
| 18:18.50 | igor321 | arrrrgh |
| 18:18.58 | igor321 | gta03 is gonna kicks some asses |
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| 18:22.53 | thrashold | hdparm -t /dev/mmcblk0 gives me 3 MB/s (vs. 30 MB/s for the integrated flash). Does this mean that I should by a new card, or just the slot on gta01 is slow? |
| 18:22.57 | thrashold | buy |
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| 18:23.50 | igor321 | thrashold: 3 MB/s ain't that bad |
| 18:24.10 | SpeedEvil | 3M/s is about what it tops out at |
| 18:24.29 | SpeedEvil | I've got a card that does 12M/s on my PC, and 3 on my neo |
| 18:24.44 | thrashold | So buying a new card won't lead to any improvement here? OK, thanks :) |
| 18:24.48 | SpeedEvil | And I have some problems believing the 30M/s for the internal |
| 18:25.46 | poco | indeed the gps is working correctly outside |
| 18:26.00 | igor321 | poco: sucsess! |
| 18:26.24 | thrashold | Oops, you're right. The 36 MB/s was accidental. It is actually close to 3, too :) I ran only one test on it for comparison :) |
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| 18:27.23 | thrashold | hdparm -tT gives 36 MB/s on both tests, hdparm -t gives 3 MB/s on the test. :) |
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| 18:31.45 | michelecs | Hi guys: my brother has a Treo Pro... Is there a way to install OpenMoko on this phone, maybe using a memory card? |
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| 18:38.34 | jonkristian | michelecs: I think raster is the one to ask. |
| 18:38.40 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 18:38.46 | jonkristian | Dirty Dave! |
| 18:39.17 | Dave | ;D |
| 18:39.17 | jonkristian | How's life treating you? |
| 18:39.37 | Dave | Could be better :| |
| 18:41.01 | jonkristian | :/ |
| 18:41.29 | Dave | yeah |
| 18:43.44 | poco | raster did'nt leave openmoko? |
| 18:44.02 | igor321 | he did |
| 18:44.08 | igor321 | but he is still with us |
| 18:44.11 | igor321 | only payless |
| 18:44.41 | poco | any links about the future of openmoko, efl, qtopia/framebuffer, gtk, ...? |
| 18:46.24 | igor321 | there are links for all of that |
| 18:46.28 | igor321 | mostly on the wiki |
| 18:46.34 | igor321 | you'd have to be more specific |
| 18:52.03 | poco | is there any agenda application for openmoko? |
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| 18:53.18 | Dave | more like, what's openmoko's AGENDA. |
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| 18:54.21 | igor321 | they are clear about that |
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| 18:54.27 | igor321 | they want to rule the world |
| 18:55.22 | igor321 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ni_c0IMP-c |
| 18:57.25 | mwester | Yes, but in order to make total world domination more of a challenge, Openmoko has chosen to do so by selecting only those strategies that are fundamentally flawed to begin with. |
| 18:58.05 | Dave | Mwester! |
| 18:58.08 | igor321 | yes, and they are less noticable that way |
| 18:58.48 | Dave | Mwester, so, essentially, what you're saying is... by 2080, after they've tried every possible flawed method known to man, they will be an unstoppable force of pedants? |
| 18:59.11 | igor321 | yes, it's like the monkey and the typewriter |
| 19:00.24 | rooly | didn't they already try that experiment? |
| 19:00.59 | igor321 | they did? :) |
| 19:01.03 | igor321 | i had no idea |
| 19:01.05 | mwester | I suspect that the real strategy is that by 2020, we'll all be drowning in gta01 - gta99 devices, not a one of which works quite right, we'll have worn out the flash on most of them reflashing broken 2008.x images, that we'll finally just close all the bugs out of exhaustion, and call it "good enough" ... |
| 19:01.19 | rooly | yeah, its called "web-logs" |
| 19:02.24 | igor321 | but it is good enough, i use it to call my grandma! |
| 19:03.48 | rooly | hey, will the gta03 move to an electrical touch screen instead of a pressure touch screen? |
| 19:04.08 | igor321 | there was talk of that |
| 19:04.18 | igor321 | but i dunno what they've decided |
| 19:04.21 | mwester | And a built-in bottle opener too! |
| 19:04.26 | rooly | lol |
| 19:04.50 | zash | NO, IT WILL USE A MECHANICAL TOUCHSCREEN |
| 19:04.53 | rooly | that can be hacked in, mwester. just look at the supposed-to-be-a-laniard-hole |
| 19:05.01 | igor321 | mwester: actually, theres this hole in the fr, one could use it |
| 19:05.12 | mwester | hehe! You're right. |
| 19:05.32 | mwester | It's a *multipurpose* hole! How clever of them! |
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| 19:05.53 | rooly | i hope its not a gratification hole |
| 19:06.09 | rooly | because only asians could think of or use it that way |
| 19:07.05 | rooly | hmm |
| 19:07.10 | walkie | I'm trying qtopia extended, anybody know how the hell to make application from .desktop file appear in menu? |
| 19:07.18 | rooly | there's a second android phone soon to be released |
| 19:07.37 | rooly | but that shouldn't be correct, the FR was the second. |
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| 19:08.31 | rooly | walkie, you'll probably have to scan the qtopia docs and SDK |
| 19:08.36 | igor321 | haha i'm gonna tell the "gratification hole" think to the next person that questions my freerunners looks! arrrgh |
| 19:08.44 | igor321 | *thing |
| 19:08.48 | rooly | because qtopia uses its own package manager completely separate from opkg |
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| 19:11.09 | walkie | rooly, qtopia extended comes with opkg and openmoko unstable repositories enabled |
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| 19:14.06 | rooly | i know, walkie, but they are not part of qtextended itself |
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| 19:19.45 | walkie | rooly, hmm... find something... now it is now shows application in list but not run it |
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| 19:31.58 | walkie | hehe, and i possibly now why - there is a words in the internet 'Qtopia does not have X11 so none of the existing X11 based or GTK based GPS clients work' |
| 19:37.28 | peelooo | woot :) WSOD resolved: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/037137.html |
| 19:37.58 | peelooo | anyone can confirm? where is the kernel he's speaking about? http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ ? |
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| 19:38.27 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 20:07.37 | mwester | peelooo: Not resolved. Not understood, just an ugly hack that for poorly-understood reasons seems to work around the problem (and the problems it creates are less serious than the WSoD that it sidesteps). |
| 20:08.09 | mwester | It should be in the so-called "stable" kernels sometime today or tomorrow. |
| 20:08.10 | peelooo | thanks mwester |
| 20:08.40 | mwester | is pretty much convinced that Om has completly turned their back on the gta02 now. |
| 20:10.34 | rooly | i'm just annoyed it can't wake itself up propperly |
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| 20:10.54 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.46 | rooly | mwester, you think there might be a way to cause the phone to wake up at times other than low-power and gsm-interupt |
| 20:12.21 | mwester | rooly: of course - there are many ways to wake the device. External or timed? |
| 20:12.28 | rooly | timed |
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| 20:12.44 | rooly | for things like alarms |
| 20:13.02 | SpeedEvil | Just tell us when you want us to call you. |
| 20:13.06 | rooly | lol |
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| 20:15.31 | bumbl | SpeedEvil: chances are good that the call won't go through |
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| 20:16.06 | igor321 | is the android development going on in the koolu repository? |
| 20:16.17 | igor321 | cause it seems not much is happening there |
| 20:16.22 | igor321 | i want my android |
| 20:17.37 | bumbl | i want a stable phone first |
| 20:18.20 | bumbl | without sluggish hacks which increase power conumption even if I am not affected by a certain issue |
| 20:18.23 | poco | fdo is just a rootfs, not a kernel, isn'tit ? |
| 20:18.34 | igor321 | well android is stable, it only lacks gsm, gps, resume & wifi |
| 20:18.37 | igor321 | keyboard also |
| 20:18.40 | igor321 | besides that |
| 20:18.42 | igor321 | it's great |
| 20:18.47 | bumbl | mwester: 1024 needs to be resolved before they can turn their back |
| 20:18.56 | rooly | actually, latest android image has a keyboard |
| 20:19.17 | emsyr | Has anyone imported contacts from Evolution to Qtopia? |
| 20:19.34 | emsyr | I have a problem doing this. |
| 20:19.58 | rooly | no, i don't believe a single person has succeeded yet |
| 20:20.49 | emsyr | Not all of the fields are imported. |
| 20:21.05 | emsyr | Some of then do, but not all of them |
| 20:21.15 | rooly | oh, so you HAVE succeeded |
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| 20:21.41 | emsyr | e.g. home information of the contacts is not imported |
| 20:21.45 | bumbl | hmm someone with bitbake experience here? |
| 20:22.00 | mirko-paroli | igor321: if android lacks gsm, gps, resume & wifi, what is so bad about the OM stuff that makes you want to turn to something without all the functionionality? |
| 20:22.09 | mirko-paroli | igor321: just curious |
| 20:22.23 | igor321 | mirko-paroli: the browser is crazy good |
| 20:22.24 | mwester | rooly: the real-time clock on the GTA0x can cause a wakeup, and it even works. Just use the correct app to set the wake time, and it will resume at that time. Of course, what you do from there is another issue... |
| 20:22.42 | igor321 | mirko-paroli: u can surf while tehtered |
| 20:23.03 | rooly | mwester, whats the correct app is the problem |
| 20:23.07 | emsyr | Any idea? |
| 20:23.12 | igor321 | mirko-paroli: i also really appreciate your paroli efforts, it looks good |
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| 20:23.56 | mwester | rooly: depends on your rootfs, I think. I dunno which app it is, but the newer ones have something that allows you to set an alarm clock -- the app that does that is the one you want. |
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| 20:24.41 | rooly | ic...because i've never had a succesful alarm go off |
| 20:24.43 | bumbl | we need the android java vm ported to X and OM |
| 20:26.42 | mirko-paroli | igor321: ok if surfing is what you want |
| 20:26.49 | rooly | sighs |
| 20:26.57 | rooly | i need a decent free cd burner |
| 20:27.07 | SpeedEvil | mkisofs |
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| 20:27.45 | nubbun | igor321: android lacks decent non-devious user agreement for the SDK and the superior licensing and disclosure of openmoko |
| 20:29.36 | nubbun | rooly: gui or command line? |
| 20:29.47 | rooly | gui, for windows |
| 20:30.57 | nubbun | from back before I abandoned MS Windows for X Windows, I recall there is one called Alchohol### where ### is some number |
| 20:31.10 | janrikard1 | rooly: think there is one named cd-burner |
| 20:31.42 | rooly | ahh, thats the name, nubbun. it was the best, however it seemed to install a virus with it |
| 20:32.45 | nubbun | If you want to dual boot your PC, I can offer more help. :-) |
| 20:33.01 | rooly | lol |
| 20:33.09 | rooly | yeah, i only recently reinstalled windows |
| 20:33.14 | rooly | and i still don't know why i did i |
| 20:33.16 | rooly | it |
| 20:33.34 | bumbl | nubbun: 120% |
| 20:33.44 | bumbl | alcohol was quite good |
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| 20:36.04 | bumbl | although it is neither free as beer nor free as code |
| 20:36.40 | rooly | yeah, no |
| 20:36.55 | white_gecko | hello |
| 20:37.19 | white_gecko | i get an error on linking with the toolchain |
| 20:37.22 | white_gecko | /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
| 20:37.24 | white_gecko | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:37.57 | white_gecko | the linker takes some libs from my host and not from the tollchain, why? |
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| 20:45.20 | nubbun | according to man:ld, it will search explicitly named directories then default. Perhaps some are explicitly listed paths and others are default? |
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| 20:49.00 | rooly | oy |
| 20:49.02 | white_gecko | hm |
| 20:49.02 | nubbun | white_gecko: though that still leaves me to wonder why the file format is not recognized. Cross compiler doesn't understand host CPU instruction set libs? |
| 20:49.41 | nubbun | rooly:did you mean that you have another OS besides MSWindoze? |
| 20:49.51 | rooly | had |
| 20:51.43 | white_gecko | hm |
| 20:52.29 | white_gecko | i think it is impossible to link a arm binary to a amd64-lib |
| 20:52.43 | rooly | yeah...most likely |
| 20:52.54 | rooly | the 1's and 0's don't mean nearly the same thing on the two |
| 20:53.10 | rooly | especially since x86 is cisc and arm is risc |
| 20:53.20 | white_gecko | hm yes |
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| 20:57.25 | white_gecko | but how does the linker come to the idea to take the wrong libs, i think there is something wrong in the toolchain |
| 20:58.37 | nubbun | Does the compile omit the path to the libs? |
| 20:58.56 | nubbun | Check for a -L or --library-path option to where the correct libs are. |
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| 20:59.17 | nubbun | Do you see one, or is absent? |
| 20:59.43 | white_gecko | wait a will pastbin the whole compile output |
| 21:02.45 | white_gecko | http://paste.debian.net/23007/ |
| 21:05.22 | white_gecko | this is the complete one after a "make clean" http://paste.debian.net/23008/ |
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| 21:09.39 | ^wd^ | hmm |
| 21:10.11 | ^wd^ | how to calibrate stylus in shr ? |
| 21:10.33 | nubbun | what is shr? |
| 21:11.05 | mwester | currently, the best release with the brightest future for the fr and neo. |
| 21:11.06 | ^wd^ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
| 21:11.12 | kd8ikt | ~shr |
| 21:11.13 | apt | rumour has it, shr is The Stable Hybrid Release (SHR), intended to be a community driven distribution composed of the FSO and some basic applications, that can be configured to use several different graphical toolkits, for example GTK or EFL. SHR is based on the FSO build. At first, SHR was introduced in order to use the Openmoko2007.2 GTK software in combination with the new FSO, but things have changed. |
| 21:11.22 | mwester | ooooh pretty. |
| 21:11.27 | mwester | apt: good boy. |
| 21:11.27 | apt | :), mwester |
| 21:11.45 | jc | apt is a bot? :P |
| 21:11.48 | kd8ikt | yeah mwester did you foget he existed? |
| 21:12.00 | mwester | apt: are you a bot? |
| 21:12.07 | kd8ikt | ~apt |
| 21:12.08 | apt | apt is probably apt, or kinky. A Pretty_Cool Tool. APT package handling utility -- command-line interface |
| 21:12.20 | mwester | hmm... |
| 21:12.21 | jc | ~apt-get install gentoo |
| 21:12.32 | kd8ikt | he's not self aware... thats a good thing |
| 21:12.34 | soltys | ;D |
| 21:12.40 | mwester | apt: terminate yourself |
| 21:12.47 | kd8ikt | he might go on a banning +m rage |
| 21:12.51 | mwester | ;) |
| 21:13.02 | rooly | combine apt with geordi...and you just might get skynet |
| 21:13.02 | mwester | doesn't listen to me, that's for sure. just as well. |
| 21:13.07 | nubbun | white_gecko: the only explicit library path is /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib . Does *gtk-x11-2.0* exist there? |
| 21:13.18 | ^wd^ | and what about my question? |
| 21:13.31 | mwester | er, yeah. |
| 21:13.39 | jc | btw I have arm crosscompiler but I can't get om kernel git sources to compile for arm |
| 21:13.42 | mwester | remove the touch layer from the lcd, and reposition? |
| 21:13.53 | mwester | (AFAIK there's no built-in calibration tool) |
| 21:14.05 | ^wd^ | root@om-gta02 ~ $ xtscal |
| 21:14.06 | ^wd^ | XCALIBRATE extension missing: Success |
| 21:14.07 | jc | architecture settings do not list arm, am I doing something wrong ? |
| 21:14.18 | mwester | You can try to opkg install pointercal or maybe its' xpointercal? |
| 21:14.34 | ^wd^ | in fdom i use xtscal |
| 21:14.41 | mwester | jc: what do they list? |
| 21:14.52 | jc | mwester x86 and generic stuff, mmnt |
| 21:15.13 | kd8ikt | i'd like to know how you screwed up the /etc/pointercal file |
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| 21:15.23 | rooly | don't you have configure it for i686? |
| 21:15.40 | kd8ikt | my gta02 has "557 38667 -4654632 -51172 121 46965312 65536" in /etc/pointercal |
| 21:15.40 | jc | I want to compile it for amv4t :) |
| 21:15.42 | ^wd^ | i already delete it :) |
| 21:15.58 | kd8ikt | armv4t |
| 21:15.59 | mwester | the /etc/pointercal file is per-device for most devices; my question is what's unique about the FR's touchscreen that the same default pointer calibration data works for so many devices?! |
| 21:16.25 | white_gecko | nubbun: yes |
| 21:16.34 | bumbl | apt: ~fdom |
| 21:16.38 | kd8ikt | now you're just being crazy wester |
| 21:16.40 | ^wd^ | when X booting w/o /etc/pointercal - xtscal trying to start - but fails :) |
| 21:16.44 | bumbl | hmm |
| 21:16.47 | jc | my choices are: CONFIG_X86_PC, CONFIG_X86_ELAN and CONFIG_X86_GENERICARCH |
| 21:16.59 | nubbun | white_gecko: do you have read permissions for that copy? |
| 21:17.00 | white_gecko | nubbun: /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so |
| 21:17.06 | bumbl | it needs to be taught that fdom = fat + dirty + slow |
| 21:17.15 | kd8ikt | ~fdom |
| 21:17.26 | jc | maybe its because my 'gcc' binary points to x86 compiler and the arm crosscompiler is under another name ? |
| 21:17.41 | white_gecko | nubbun: yes i habe read permissions |
| 21:17.43 | kd8ikt | did you not set the env? |
| 21:18.26 | jc | where should I set what compiler to use ? |
| 21:19.20 | nubbun | white_gecko: then I'm out of ideas of what the problem is. A desperate attempt would be to use a chroot jail to build. |
| 21:19.25 | jc | oooh I see it now ! |
| 21:19.33 | jc | I'm sorry, it was in make --help |
| 21:19.46 | jc | you're supposed to issue make ARCH=arm menuconfig when configuring |
| 21:20.00 | kd8ikt | PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 21:20.13 | white_gecko | nubbun: yes i think chroot would be the best, but i don't realy know how to build |
| 21:20.25 | kd8ikt | environmental variables |
| 21:20.47 | rooly | hot damn |
| 21:20.56 | rooly | 4 pb&j sammiches are intense |
| 21:21.32 | rooly | and damnit |
| 21:21.40 | rooly | why can't i use gsm for dialup!? |
| 21:21.52 | SpeedEvil | Because you can't |
| 21:22.09 | SpeedEvil | basically, you're chaining lossy codecs with errors in between them when you make a call |
| 21:22.20 | SpeedEvil | they are - for non voice calls - pretty good encryptors |
| 21:22.38 | kd8ikt | soundmodem!? |
| 21:22.45 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 21:22.53 | rooly | that makes sense |
| 21:23.03 | jc | I think its because gsm voice channel is through the sound chip directly routed to microphone/speaker ? |
| 21:23.06 | SpeedEvil | The codecs are designed to throw away non-voice sounds |
| 21:23.15 | SpeedEvil | jc: it's not really that alone |
| 21:23.20 | kd8ikt | oh damn |
| 21:23.24 | kd8ikt | thats not cool |
| 21:23.39 | jc | I think the filters can be disabled |
| 21:23.40 | jc | ? |
| 21:23.47 | SpeedEvil | jc: you can't |
| 21:23.47 | kd8ikt | there goes my dream of wardialing with the moko |
| 21:23.51 | jc | there are lots of settings for that |
| 21:24.20 | SpeedEvil | jc: the call passes through a couple of codecs not of your choice, but of the networks choice |
| 21:24.33 | kd8ikt | bastards |
| 21:25.02 | jc | oh I thought you meant its crippled somewhere on the phone |
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| 21:25.56 | rooly | that actually makes perfect sense now |
| 21:26.37 | rooly | still sucks balls |
| 21:27.13 | SpeedEvil | You can get circuit switched data - CSD - but it is usually more expensive, takes a while to sync, and is not available by default on most lines. |
| 21:28.31 | rooly | gotta love the phone companies, eh? |
| 21:30.11 | jc | mobile connection here sucks big time anyway |
| 21:30.22 | jc | but we get some information for free via gprs |
| 21:34.39 | ^wd^ | xtscal runs on Xfbdev :) |
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| 22:07.53 | kd8ikt | ~kd8ikt |
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| 22:10.45 | pieterc | In SHR, can't we link the phone numbers we received an sms from link to the contacts so we can see contacts instead of numbers? |
| 22:11.23 | mirko-paroli | n8 |
| 22:11.32 | pieterc | n8? |
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| 22:11.41 | mirko-paroli | good night |
| 22:11.43 | mirko-paroli | ;) |
| 22:11.45 | pieterc | oh like that;) |
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| 22:11.52 | pieterc | i thought you wee responding :p |
| 22:11.55 | pieterc | g'night;) |
| 22:11.59 | mirko-paroli | sry |
| 22:12.04 | pieterc | np :D |
| 22:12.07 | mirko-paroli | cya |
| 22:12.10 | pieterc | bye |
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| 22:20.12 | white_gecko | i have now SHR on my freerunner |
| 22:20.18 | white_gecko | with pidgin :-) |
| 22:20.20 | white_gecko | cool |
| 22:20.46 | white_gecko | but how can i chat? i don't know how to open a chatwindows |
| 22:20.49 | white_gecko | -s |
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| 22:29.57 | dent | white_gecko: double click a person on your list |
| 22:30.08 | dent | works just like pidgin on my desktop |
| 22:30.14 | dent | for me, that is :) |
| 22:30.21 | white_gecko | doesn't work |
| 22:30.53 | white_gecko | hä i have to tribble click |
| 22:31.22 | dent | I don't have USBnet set up here now, so can't easily check... :-/ |
| 22:32.05 | jc | theres a broken link for bt datasheet on openmoko.org wiki, the first one under http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#Bluetooth_Module |
| 22:33.11 | jc | quick google for 'DFBM-CS320' revealed among others: http://www.datasheet4u.com/download.php?id=571424 |
| 22:34.59 | dent | http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/vco/vco_product.asp?pcid=1&ptid=1 they seem to have removed the specs off their web :-/ |
| 22:35.33 | jc | I still found the datasheet elsewhere. Why do you think they would remove it ? |
| 22:37.57 | dent | no idea... anyway just replace the broken wiki link with what you found |
| 22:38.03 | jc | ok |
| 22:38.29 | jc | oh, theres no edit function |
| 22:38.48 | dent | you probably have to have an account |
| 22:38.56 | dent | I can do that, I do have an account |
| 22:39.04 | jc | I hate registrations |
| 22:39.09 | dent | hehe :) |
| 22:39.15 | jc | but I guess i'll try to contribute more in the future so I'll do it |
| 22:39.23 | dent | ok :) |
| 22:42.12 | jc | ooh I was trying to rewrite the link and I was like, wtf ? I can't rewrite it |
| 22:43.02 | jc | then I read the note about edit textarea that I have to confirm my email first :D |
| 22:43.07 | jc | *above |
| 22:43.57 | jc | do you think this is a minor edit ? |
| 22:45.06 | dent | yeah :) |
| 22:45.28 | jc | Help:Minor_edit doesnt mention broken links.. |
| 22:45.52 | dent | hm, then don't ask me :-P |
| 22:45.52 | jc | ok, done :D |
| 22:45.59 | dent | cool :) |
| 22:46.01 | jc | yeeey my first ever wiki edit :D |
| 22:46.11 | dent | lol :) |
| 22:46.14 | dent | time to celebrate |
| 22:46.52 | jc | no, time to read datasheets :P |
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| 22:49.26 | dent | yuck :) |
| 22:49.33 | jc | dent: thanks for your help :) |
| 22:49.51 | dent | n/p |
| 22:49.54 | vininim | Is it normal of Qi to boot with just power button click? (instead of holding) |
| 22:50.03 | jc | you don't like having datasheets to your phone? :D |
| 22:50.42 | jc | btw. who came up with the name Qi ? wiki mentions nothing |
| 22:50.44 | dent | jc: well, having them available does turn me on a bit, but I seldomly actually do that :) |
| 22:50.47 | jc | but I smell some serious taoist here :) |
| 22:50.47 | bumbl | vininim: yes |
| 22:51.12 | jc | dent well you have to understand the platform if you compile kernel for it for example |
| 22:51.14 | mwester | jc: read kernel list archives |
| 22:51.43 | jc | mwester do you have a quick link ? |
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| 22:51.50 | dent | jc: na ja, you're right... I'm a userspace wimp :) |
| 22:51.50 | mwester | nope - sorry |
| 22:52.03 | jc | even in userspace its goot |
| 22:52.13 | jc | like now I know bt module is hooked to usb host on the soc |
| 22:52.32 | jc | before I thought about bonding bt and usb to acheive higher throughput to my fr |
| 22:52.45 | jc | now I know it would be contraproductive |
| 22:52.57 | jc | *d |
| 22:53.31 | jc | I hope its Qi like in life energy :P |
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| 22:55.21 | kd8ikt | heh yea bond bt usb and wifi and gprs some casfor some kick ass transfer speeds |
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| 22:55.57 | jc | aah openmoko-kernel is for subscribers only, again, mandatory registration |
| 22:56.21 | jc | unfortunately not |
| 22:56.44 | jc | bt module is on the slow usb host, so no speed gain even over bare usb there |
| 22:56.59 | jc | only wifi is slightly faster over sdio |
| 22:57.10 | jc | an donly bonding wifi and usb or wifi and bt makes sense |
| 22:57.13 | jc | apparently.. |
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| 22:57.56 | jc | and since wifi and bt share the same frequency band.. I don't know how would they interact |
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| 22:59.48 | mwester | the wire connecting bt to wifi is present on the schematic, I am told -- so presumably they avoid one another. |
| 23:00.08 | jc | dunno what the wires are for |
| 23:00.25 | jc | but bt is frequency hopping, it should avoid wifi, but I dunno with what overhead.. |
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| 23:01.01 | jc | maybe the wires are for multiplexing antenna or something |
| 23:01.38 | jc | theyre labeled obscurely as PIO9 and PIO10 |
| 23:01.52 | jc | I haven't read the bt datasheet yet so dunno what they're for |
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| 23:14.08 | Wonka | mwester: https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/zhone-gps-modwonka.diff |
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| 23:34.08 | pieterc2 | using pidgin on shr right now |
| 23:34.30 | pieterc | is lazy to type using freerunner |
| 23:34.42 | pieterc | so i guess ttyping like this is easier;) |
| 23:35.03 | pieterc2 | ;) |
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| 23:40.07 | jc | pieterc2 whats its memory usage? do you have logging turned on ? |
| 23:40.44 | pieterc | atm i'm playing last.fm radio through vagalume |
| 23:40.47 | pieterc | using 3 accounts: |
| 23:40.51 | pieterc | irc, gtalk and msn |
| 23:41.01 | pieterc | and installing evince |
| 23:41.08 | pieterc | and i still hear the music fluently;) |
| 23:41.26 | pieterc | want me to check htop? |
| 23:41.31 | jc | I'm considering it too |
| 23:41.41 | pieterc | I ike it very much SHR |
| 23:41.44 | jc | but I'm still at the kernel now |
| 23:41.52 | pieterc | 57/123MB |
| 23:41.58 | pieterc | 60% CPU |
| 23:42.03 | pieterc | (not installing anymore |
| 23:42.06 | jc | 57 megs just pigin ? |
| 23:42.09 | jc | *d |
| 23:42.13 | pieterc | and vagalume |
| 23:42.23 | jc | huh... are you using swap ? |
| 23:42.28 | pieterc | all... i guess |
| 23:42.40 | pieterc | nope |
| 23:42.49 | jc | thats pretty good |
| 23:42.52 | pieterc | that's what SHR says to me |
| 23:43.04 | pieterc | :) |
| 23:43.07 | pieterc | yeah it is |
| 23:43.09 | pieterc | I like ;) |
| 23:43.13 | jc | I currently use FDOM for my stable platform and I have to have swap on usd |
| 23:43.30 | z3cka | does anyone have Sean's Android image from December 2nd? |
| 23:43.55 | pieterc | z3cka, damned, i removed it 3 sec ago |
| 23:44.04 | pieterc | (overwritten) |
| 23:44.10 | z3cka | me too |
| 23:44.15 | z3cka | grrr |
| 23:44.23 | pieterc | You don't like the new image? |
| 23:44.36 | z3cka | i didn't see that the current one doesn't boot |
| 23:45.03 | jc | I tried android only on emulator that comes with the google sdk |
| 23:45.07 | z3cka | oh i like the new roof fs image... |
| 23:45.15 | jc | I didn't like it.. |
| 23:45.26 | z3cka | i need the kernal image from the 2nd |
| 23:45.33 | pieterc | the current one does boot on my device? |
| 23:45.42 | pieterc | the one of 5 december? |
| 23:46.04 | z3cka | with the new kernel imge too? |
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| 23:46.27 | pieterc2 | o old one |
| 23:46.38 | z3cka | yeah, that is the one i need |
| 23:46.54 | pieterc | the kernel image? |
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| 23:48.44 | pieterc | z3cka, pls accept, i don't got much time left ;) |
| 23:49.10 | z3cka | i have the kernel from nov 10th and it is too old and glitchy |
| 23:49.10 | z3cka | pieterc2: did you overwrite the dec 5 kernel? |
| 23:49.10 | z3cka | pieterc2: err i mean the dec 2 android-uImage |
| 23:49.40 | z3cka | darn link didn't work |
| 23:50.09 | z3cka | pieterc2: can you email it to me at openmoko@z3cka.otherinbox.com ? |
| 23:51.11 | z3cka | pieterc2: or i can set you up an upload on one of my servers |
| 23:51.15 | pieterc | It's the same one |
| 23:51.16 | pieterc | i'm sorry |
| 23:51.19 | pieterc | 10/11 |
| 23:51.44 | pieterc | or 11/10 , however you write month/date ;) |
| 23:52.28 | z3cka | pieterc2: ha bummer |
| 23:52.34 | z3cka | thanks anyway |
| 23:52.45 | pieterc | I thought that one was the only one that worked without using QI as bootloader |
| 23:54.02 | z3cka | pieterc2: no, i go the dec 2nd one to boot, i think... but sean forgot to put the keyboard in the rootfs image |
| 23:54.40 | pieterc | it's on the dec5 one |
| 23:54.47 | pieterc | the keyboard |
| 23:55.15 | z3cka | yeah i know... but the kernel from the 5th does not work |
| 23:55.29 | z3cka | so i want to use the one from the 2nd |
| 23:55.41 | pieterc | Oh ok |
| 23:55.46 | pieterc | i get it;) |
| 23:55.53 | pieterc | I can't help |
| 23:55.54 | pieterc | sorry |
| 23:56.01 | z3cka | not the one from nov 11 because it is a bit glitchy |
| 23:56.14 | z3cka | np thanks for trying |
| 23:56.52 | z3cka | i wish that there was a bit of version tracking for his android images |
| 23:57.07 | z3cka | not just one file |
| 23:57.16 | z3cka | i would like to help in this regard |
| 23:57.29 | z3cka | how would i go about doing this? |
| 23:57.53 | mwester | You make a good observation. |
| 23:57.58 | z3cka | should i set up the servers and link it from sean's wiki page? |
| 23:58.20 | mwester | I guess an email to sean to ask if would accept help would be a good start. |
| 23:58.55 | mwester | I'm a bit puzzled about his reluctance to share his work. |
| 23:59.01 | z3cka | mwester: thank you... i think if there was a place for these images, then people won't get stuck if they want to downgrade |
| 23:59.27 | z3cka | mwester: i think i will email him |
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| 23:59.41 | mwester | Exactly. And if he would publish his patches, then others could attempt to help out on some of the house-keeping or simpler issues. |
