| 00:00.09 | pieterc | sry ;) |
| 00:00.22 | sicu | even though i knew quickdev wouldn't finish his stuff until this weekend :/ |
| 00:02.35 | _charly_ | last build was on nov 15 |
| 00:03.14 | _charly_ | for gta02 |
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| 01:11.00 | linuxxr | they are building something:) |
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| 01:11.47 | linuxxr | maybe they all west to the alps to party |
| 01:11.56 | linuxxr | went* |
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| 01:57.33 | Sargun | How long until GTA03? |
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| 02:05.16 | mwester | The longer the better. |
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| 02:10.10 | Sargun | I want to get rid of Glamo. |
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| 02:15.53 | raster | Sargun_Screen: join the glamo-haters club :) |
| 02:16.08 | Dave | :D |
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| 02:16.17 | Dave | Is there a #channel for that? |
| 02:16.18 | raster | ok |
| 02:16.27 | raster | wtf is e doing spinning with cpu on the wizard screen |
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| 02:26.40 | mwester | e is doing what every graphical thing does: waste cpu cycles for the sole purpose of "eye candy". |
| 02:26.48 | mwester | :p |
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| 02:33.25 | _charly_ | waits for the gta04 to buy his next openmoko |
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| 02:35.30 | raster | mwester: candy is yummy |
| 02:35.31 | raster | :) |
| 02:35.34 | sebbs | are there any indications at all that openmoko would ever release a keyboard on the device? |
| 02:35.37 | raster | mwester: and e doesnt need to |
| 02:35.41 | raster | use the xrender engine |
| 02:35.48 | raster | if... it was possible to accelerate xrender |
| 02:35.56 | raster | but in the end - people LIKE eye candy |
| 02:36.04 | sebbs | hey are there mini usb keyboards? |
| 02:36.07 | raster | it makes a device or piece of software nicer to use |
| 02:36.11 | raster | pretty simple |
| 02:36.32 | raster | most people care about how something looks and feels |
| 02:36.36 | raster | not just that it solely works |
| 02:36.46 | raster | sebbs: none. |
| 02:37.06 | _charly_ | i like it as pure as possible, no useless animations, no useless graphics... but i know, there are also eye-candy-likers out there :) |
| 02:37.13 | raster | chances of a om phone with a kbd is pretyt low any time in the next year or 2 |
| 02:37.27 | raster | _charly_: there are more candy lovers than non |
| 02:37.32 | raster | just that the uber nerds |
| 02:37.36 | raster | who love to fuck with kernls |
| 02:37.45 | raster | and are more concerned with beauty of code structure |
| 02:38.27 | raster | generally tend to lean to "i hate candy - give my cpu cycles so i can expend it on wasting cycles in a scripting language interpreter like python" |
| 02:42.27 | _charly_ | well... i don't like python, but i don't speak C. i'm still planning to learn it, just have no time for it :( |
| 02:42.45 | raster | if i take my pick |
| 02:42.52 | raster | i'd rather give something that users like |
| 02:42.55 | raster | and spend cpu on it |
| 02:43.00 | raster | than do something developers like |
| 02:43.04 | raster | and spend cycles on it |
| 02:43.21 | raster | as a user doesnt care what the langauge or engine is |
| 02:43.27 | raster | they care that they enjoy using their device |
| 02:43.35 | raster | this means that it does what they need/want |
| 02:43.38 | raster | does it fast |
| 02:43.41 | raster | and reliably |
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| 02:43.46 | raster | and looks/feels good while doing it |
| 02:45.23 | mwester | raster: I know --- people *like* eye-candy, hence I make it part of my mission to try my best to keep at least one project from getting lost in "bling". Thank goodness that the SHR team is well-grounded. |
| 02:45.56 | Dave | :] |
| 02:46.00 | Dave | Yeah, thankfully. |
| 02:46.09 | Dave | Though I do think that illume is inherently "sexy" ;) |
| 02:46.19 | Dave | We can thank your eye for that, Mr. Raster. |
| 02:46.39 | _charly_ | users care about direct responses of a device, and no useless wait times. and therefor i'm a typical user. i just don't need all that eye candy stuff (which is nice indeed, but well... if you see it all the time you start taking less care of it) |
| 02:47.40 | raster | somehoiw people always seem to think that candy means you have to wait |
| 02:47.50 | raster | u know that most candy is filling in a waiting gap anyway? |
| 02:48.05 | raster | ie normally u'd be just sitting there dumbly for seconds wondering if the thing is still alive |
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| 02:49.42 | _charly_ | i don't think that candy means waiting. i just don't need that candy stuff, and most times i don't want it |
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| 02:51.27 | _charly_ | but everyone wants different stuff, and open source gives you all the possibilities to get what you want :) |
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| 02:58.08 | mwester | raster: in a *properly* designed device, with CPU and GPU power that is _balanced_, you are correct -- in fact, in such a case, it can be argued that effects like bouncing windows or scrolling can actually serve to distract the user and make percieved responsiveness feel better. Alas, it is not true that the GTA02, and to a lesser extent the GTA01 can do graphics without slowing the host. |
| 02:58.37 | raster | correct |
| 02:58.45 | raster | though - it depends |
| 02:58.55 | raster | if you spend 20% of the cpu to draw some animation |
| 02:59.01 | raster | lets say while starting a process |
| 02:59.08 | raster | (whihc can take several seconds) |
| 02:59.18 | raster | u basically may slow down the load by 20% |
| 02:59.20 | raster | but |
| 02:59.32 | raster | psychologically users find it feels faster |
| 02:59.38 | raster | as the thing doesn freeze while it launches |
| 02:59.48 | raster | even tho on a stopwatch it takes less time |
| 02:59.53 | raster | they feel its less responsive |
| 02:59.55 | mwester | exactly. |
| 03:00.09 | mwester | goes back to the 1980's actually. |
| 03:00.15 | raster | eye candy is there to keep your users HAPPY |
| 03:00.19 | raster | while u do something |
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| 03:00.28 | raster | users are impatient picky fuckers |
| 03:00.29 | raster | :) |
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| 03:00.45 | raster | the problem is the gta02 is a real exception in things |
| 03:00.49 | raster | its got a weenie video bus |
| 03:00.53 | raster | ok-ish processor |
| 03:00.58 | raster | and a fuckload of pixels to fill |
| 03:01.03 | raster | it totally is out of line |
| 03:01.16 | raster | in fact the general trend has been pretyt fat cpu's and pipes to video |
| 03:01.20 | raster | no acceleration |
| 03:01.26 | raster | so its an all-cpu show |
| 03:01.51 | raster | or you ghave a relatively new trend of fairly beefy gfx cores |
| 03:01.57 | raster | of whihc glamo is definitely not one |
| 03:01.58 | mwester | Yep. That's why things like the animated bootsplash have got to go. |
| 03:02.10 | raster | actually i found what the problem was |
| 03:02.14 | raster | and its fixed |
| 03:02.25 | raster | 1. yes - the glowing thing really ate about 20% cpu |
| 03:02.28 | raster | for the glowing end of the bar |
| 03:02.36 | mwester | eye candy |
| 03:02.43 | mwester | ;) and not really necessary -- |
| 03:02.43 | raster | 2. very odd but flushing the unix sockets was chewing cpu |
| 03:02.49 | raster | that ate another 20% cpu |
| 03:02.52 | mwester | doesn't surprise me |
| 03:03.01 | raster | i simplified it |
| 03:03.17 | raster | and basically tyhe only cost is startup and updating the progresas bar when process happens |
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| 03:03.23 | raster | whihc is now fairly minimal |
| 03:03.34 | raster | fontconfig still takes forveer to generate initial caches |
| 03:03.44 | raster | but conce done its up in a few seconds |
| 03:03.52 | raster | on my treo650 its up in about 2 secs |
| 03:04.06 | raster | freerunner takes about 6 |
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| 03:04.24 | mwester | Frankly, I think the real answer to a lot of this is a compromise in screen resolution. We only need the 1 million x 500 thousand pixels resolution at a few points in time; if the glamo spent most of its time (liek the bootsplash time, for example) in 320x240, that's 1/4 the amount of data to move around. |
| 03:04.45 | mwester | But X sucks at changing resolution. |
| 03:04.46 | raster | mwester: agreed |
| 03:04.55 | Staticwave_Ace | kernel modesettting |
| 03:04.56 | raster | inb fact thats why i asked a while back about droppoing to qvga |
| 03:05.06 | raster | as i saw that it possibly isnt the best solution |
| 03:05.17 | raster | Staticwave_Ace: wont help |
| 03:05.20 | raster | its not really x |
| 03:05.22 | raster | more than x chAZNges |
| 03:05.25 | raster | then N clients get events |
| 03:05.32 | raster | then everyone goes thru a redraw process hammering things |
| 03:05.40 | raster | if u had a compositor it could be slick |
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| 03:06.05 | raster | but as such the 2442 in the gta02 really wasnt intended for a vga device |
| 03:06.07 | raster | same with glamo |
| 03:06.11 | raster | its at the upper limit |
| 03:06.22 | raster | its somethign that glamo only in theory supports |
| 03:06.24 | raster | and happens to |
| 03:06.27 | raster | but was never intended for |
| 03:06.34 | raster | and thats direct from its designers |
| 03:06.53 | raster | imho one of the best things that could have been done would be use a 3" 272x480 screen |
| 03:07.00 | raster | 1/3 the pixels |
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| 03:07.16 | raster | but still looks really nice |
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| 03:07.45 | mwester | N800 is very usable -- what's that resolution |
| 03:07.45 | mwester | ? |
| 03:07.56 | Staticwave_Ace | 800x400 or somesuch |
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| 03:08.14 | raster | 800x480 |
| 03:08.26 | raster | 272x480@3"is still 218dpi |
| 03:08.36 | raster | thats pretty much still beyond whats needed |
| 03:08.41 | Staticwave_Ace | it was either the n800 or the freerunner, and I've got a freerunner |
| 03:08.48 | mwester | has both |
| 03:08.51 | linuxxr | yay |
| 03:08.57 | raster | imho about 180-200dpi is perfect for devices like phones at the distances held/used |
| 03:09.03 | mwester | and finds the screen on the FR is too small to be easy to read. |
| 03:09.05 | raster | anyway |
| 03:09.10 | raster | its done and finished |
| 03:09.13 | mwester | especially on a train or other moving object. |
| 03:09.19 | raster | yeah |
| 03:09.24 | raster | if u try and "use" the dpi |
| 03:09.30 | raster | with tiny fonts to stick lots of content on |
| 03:09.38 | raster | it becomes incredibly hard to use "in real life" |
| 03:09.46 | raster | sure it looks hyper-smooth |
| 03:09.49 | mwester | But images are absolutely incredible on the FR.... |
| 03:09.56 | raster | but there is a non-trivial cost to do that |
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| 03:10.00 | raster | yeah |
| 03:10.10 | raster | but... images agaoin can suffer dpi loss with very little problem |
| 03:10.17 | raster | text is a bigger problem |
| 03:10.23 | raster | but to make it usabel u up the font size anyway |
| 03:10.31 | raster | aaaany way |
| 03:10.49 | raster | a more powerful cpu+gpu would handle vga fine |
| 03:10.55 | raster | eg an omap 3530 |
| 03:11.00 | raster | that thing is fairly beefy |
| 03:11.08 | raster | even without the gfx core. |
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| 04:02.27 | linuxxr | wassa |
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| 04:29.27 | vininim | just some random observation: either gps chip or tangogps+gpsd processing produces a lot of heat |
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| 04:30.27 | raster | mmmmm |
| 04:30.28 | raster | heat |
| 04:31.09 | raster | hmm |
| 04:31.16 | raster | how to best canonicalise a phone number |
| 04:31.22 | raster | for example |
| 04:32.12 | raster | +61 413 123 456 == +61413123456 == 001161413123456 == 0413123456 (when called locally within the +61 country code) |
| 04:34.09 | raster | it seems i really need a database of all intl dial codes |
| 04:38.27 | vininim | also there are some countries with 0 + region + 8 numbers. |
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| 04:55.45 | raster | yeah |
| 04:55.47 | raster | its a mess |
| 04:55.59 | raster | who wants to kill telcos for having created such a schmozzle? |
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| 05:06.41 | mwester | it's the governments, raster -- every government sees a standard as a dilution of their power, which is why the phone numbers are screwed up, why the UK doesn't use the Euro, and a whole lot of other ridiculous things. |
| 05:07.03 | raster | pffft |
| 05:07.06 | raster | kill them all |
| 05:07.08 | mwester | And it's also the reason why the US doesn't do metric. |
| 05:07.13 | cjb | mwester: to be fair, the Euro *would* be a dilution of the UK's power ;-) |
| 05:07.56 | mwester | Of course. And adopting the metric system would be a dilution of the US special interests, as represented by machinists unions, etc. |
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| 05:08.36 | raster | it'd make life sane |
| 05:08.39 | raster | and save a shuttle or 2 |
| 05:09.15 | mwester | So it amounts to an invisible tarriff, and just another way of government impeding global competition and a healthy, free exchange of ideas and commerce. |
| 05:10.57 | raster | pfft |
| 05:10.59 | raster | is what i say |
| 05:11.00 | raster | pffft |
| 05:11.21 | raster | someone can finihs my telephone numebr canonicaliser with all the relevant data |
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| 05:15.07 | vishal | hello friends i updated my neo with 2008.9 release and now when i switch it on kernel boots but at xserver start up i don get anything |
| 05:15.56 | raster | it hates you |
| 05:16.22 | vishal | raster what should i do now :( |
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| 05:19.05 | raster | cry |
| 05:19.09 | raster | stop your feet |
| 05:19.19 | slaxxin | install shr |
| 05:19.39 | slaxxin | an debian |
| 05:20.41 | slaxxin | debian looks great |
| 05:22.02 | vishal | ok ill try that if i cant get this running again |
| 05:24.58 | slaxxin | did u replace the kernel to? |
| 05:25.07 | slaxxin | maybe thats it |
| 05:28.22 | mwester | forget about the 2008.x stuff. |
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| 05:29.39 | mwester | Openmoko is supporting the framework (FSO), which SHR is built upon. (and Android, of course) |
| 05:30.23 | mwester | 2008.x hasn't had any activity other than some small amount of bug fixing for months now. |
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| 05:36.56 | vishal | ok i'll try SHR . . .,slaxxin ya i have replaced everything u-boot kernel and filesystem. it had run fine y'day i had left it in suspended mode but today morning it din work and started giving this problem |
| 05:41.05 | slaxxin | well maybe 2008.9 is what u need |
| 05:41.44 | slaxxin | if u a dev |
| 05:43.21 | kd8ikt | wait what android will use fso? |
| 05:45.20 | raster | eeekshellent |
| 05:45.21 | raster | ok |
| 05:45.27 | raster | now.. i n4eed a photo widget |
| 05:46.25 | kd8ikt | speaking of wich i see new android images http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ anyone try em yet? |
| 05:47.14 | orospakr | *sigh*, I wish I had a FR rather than a Neo1973. No Android for me. |
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| 05:47.27 | slaxxin | nope |
| 05:47.28 | orospakr | s/had a/had an/ |
| 05:48.00 | kd8ikt | i'll be sayin the same when gta03 is released |
| 05:48.06 | orospakr | http://apcmag.com/breaking_first_australian_android_phone_revealed.htm <-- looks interesting, but nor I or Wikipedia has ever heard of Kogan. |
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| 05:48.10 | slaxxin | proly got a keyboard |
| 05:48.48 | raster | it does |
| 05:48.56 | raster | and cheaper than the FR |
| 05:49.13 | raster | and other than the screen... it seems a lot better than the fr |
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| 05:58.50 | trupheenix | I need help |
| 05:58.58 | trupheenix | I do a ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 05:59.03 | trupheenix | then I get this error SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 05:59.03 | trupheenix | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 05:59.44 | lindi- | trupheenix: the other side is not running gadget driver? |
| 06:00.47 | trupheenix | lindi-: ok |
| 06:00.48 | daMaestro | orospakr, whoa... the blackberry logo? |
| 06:01.02 | orospakr | daMaestro, huh? |
| 06:01.21 | daMaestro | orospakr, a button on the image of the phone is the blackberry logo |
| 06:01.28 | orospakr | are you serious? |
| 06:01.32 | orospakr | *looks* |
| 06:01.35 | trupheenix | lindi- solution? |
| 06:01.56 | daMaestro | orospakr, and the phone layout is *very* blackberry |
| 06:02.26 | orospakr | wow. I wonder what Kogan is up to. |
| 06:02.34 | orospakr | They don't appear to be part of the OHA. |
| 06:09.40 | raster | orospakr: where? |
| 06:09.54 | raster | no bb icon that i can see |
| 06:09.59 | orospakr | raster, I can't see it either |
| 06:10.08 | raster | and they simply have found a chines phone maker who makes phones |
| 06:10.11 | raster | taken an existing model |
| 06:10.16 | raster | had it re-badged |
| 06:10.18 | raster | and shipped to .au |
| 06:10.33 | raster | there are dozens of .cn manufacturers making lots of phones |
| 06:10.39 | raster | a lot of cheap winmo phones |
| 06:10.48 | raster | if u take one of those the hw is pretty much ready to run linux |
| 06:10.51 | raster | just needs some work |
| 06:10.52 | orospakr | ah, that's true. A lot of chinese phone makers often reuse similar shell designs, which could explain the BBishness. |
| 06:10.55 | raster | and of course userspace |
| 06:10.57 | orospakr | yeah, so I hear. |
| 06:11.07 | raster | the images there are "photoshopped" tho |
| 06:11.09 | raster | not the real thing |
| 06:11.21 | orospakr | yeah, totally. |
| 06:11.41 | raster | but spec-wise is pretty good |
| 06:11.53 | raster | i'll wait until its actually shipping in feb |
| 06:11.55 | trupheenix | lindi-: duh... the problem was due to low battery :) |
| 06:11.55 | raster | and see |
| 06:12.12 | raster | got enouhg to keep me busy |
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| 06:17.10 | daMaestro | raster, orospakr http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=agorawideqj1.jpg |
| 06:17.45 | orospakr | heh |
| 06:17.59 | daMaestro | is that not the logo? |
| 06:18.02 | daMaestro | it's on my blackberry |
| 06:20.24 | raster | daMaestro: no img there |
| 06:20.40 | daMaestro | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=blackberry+logo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title |
| 06:21.00 | raster | but where is it on the agora? |
| 06:21.10 | daMaestro | i tried circling it |
| 06:21.28 | daMaestro | is bleeding packets right now |
| 06:21.34 | daMaestro | hold on (fsking comcast) |
| 06:21.39 | raster | describe where? |
| 06:22.41 | raster | if u mean the key right of the "L" ? |
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| 06:22.54 | raster | or on the "W" ? |
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| 06:34.49 | daMaestro | raster, orospakr http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?70226d6930.jpg |
| 06:35.17 | raster | wh? |
| 06:35.19 | raster | whihc photo is that |
| 06:35.23 | raster | http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/android-powered-kogan-agora-pro-mobile-phone/ |
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| 06:35.29 | raster | those just have a --- there |
| 06:35.51 | daMaestro | http://apcmag.com/breaking_first_australian_android_phone_revealed.htm |
| 06:36.18 | raster | seems they fixed the images |
| 06:36.29 | raster | as thge actual retailer's images dont have it |
| 06:36.36 | raster | http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/android-powered-kogan-agora-pro-mobile-phone/ |
| 06:36.41 | raster | http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/android-powered-kogan-agora-3G-mobile-phone/ |
| 06:36.46 | raster | 2 versions |
| 06:37.29 | daMaestro | k, i didn't look @ the kogan site, just the link i happened to open that orospakr sent |
| 06:37.41 | UndrWater | anything new on the treo? |
| 06:37.41 | raster | one thnig i've learnt |
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| 06:37.52 | raster | never really trust "press release" sites |
| 06:37.58 | raster | they either get unfinished stuff early |
| 06:38.06 | raster | or often make shit up themselves just to fill a story |
| 06:38.10 | UndrWater | "i wanna be first!!" |
| 06:38.20 | raster | likely they had images unfinished |
| 06:38.30 | raster | as likely its a generic oem shell |
| 06:38.40 | raster | the android screenshot is 'photoshopped' anyway |
| 06:38.50 | raster | so nall the images are just mockups for marketing |
| 06:39.01 | daMaestro | i still found it funny |
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| 06:39.55 | daMaestro | anywho, sorry for the delay. twice now comcast has ~60%+ packet loss around 11pm |
| 06:40.05 | daMaestro | had to reboot the modem (what a hack) |
| 06:40.08 | daMaestro | & |
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| 06:54.29 | CM_work | Lazy bastards when it comes to the homepages for the Pro and 3G versions |
| 06:54.39 | CM_work | Took a while to figure out the difference :) |
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| 07:09.19 | Guest32236 | good morning |
| 07:10.30 | kd8ikt | 624mhz cpu |
| 07:10.49 | raster | probably xscale |
| 07:10.55 | raster | but likely very swift |
| 07:11.24 | kd8ikt | why is my freerunner only showing like 200bogo mips |
| 07:11.30 | kd8ikt | shouldnt it be 400? |
| 07:11.32 | raster | all i care about is.. can we reflahs it with an OE build |
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| 07:17.24 | kd8ikt | 300hrs standby 0_0 |
| 07:18.28 | kd8ikt | so did anyone try the latest android or do i have to? |
| 07:19.02 | kd8ikt | its file creation date is today |
| 07:19.45 | kd8ikt | its a damn shame dfu-util upload never works |
| 07:21.14 | kd8ikt | what can go wrong with dd flash |
| 07:21.44 | kd8ikt | or maybe it sees empty blocks and decides to stop there |
| 07:22.20 | kd8ikt | feel free to jump in on this monologue |
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| 07:45.46 | CM_work | kd8ikt: We lurkers prefer to observe in silence ;) |
| 07:45.56 | CM_work | I've never had trouble with dfu-util |
| 07:46.20 | CM_work | But I just have a GTA01 |
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| 07:48.47 | beni | morning |
| 07:49.14 | beni | does someone know how to replace the analog clock in 2008.x-testing with an digital one as it was before? |
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| 07:55.26 | kd8ikt | just flashed latest android |
| 07:55.39 | kd8ikt | i see the android bootup logo ;D |
| 07:55.50 | kd8ikt | had to flash qi aswell |
| 07:55.53 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, hmm, mine didnt start |
| 07:56.02 | kd8ikt | bad kernel crc? |
| 07:56.08 | KenSentMe | Yeah |
| 07:56.13 | kd8ikt | use qi |
| 07:56.20 | KenSentMe | what's that? |
| 07:56.26 | kd8ikt | a new bootloader |
| 07:56.48 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 07:56.53 | KenSentMe | Thanks |
| 07:57.57 | kd8ikt | and its got a keyboard this time ;) |
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| 08:01.18 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, how do i find the right s3cxxxx for my device? I get both s3c2410 and s3c2440 in dmesg |
| 08:03.09 | kd8ikt | well considering that http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ i only see an image for s3c2410... |
| 08:04.09 | kd8ikt | eh i'm already bored of android |
| 08:04.36 | kd8ikt | shr here i come |
| 08:06.59 | KenSentMe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:08.21 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 08:10.13 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, does shr works as a phone? |
| 08:10.22 | kd8ikt | for me? yes |
| 08:10.56 | KenSentMe | And what about stuff like gprs and gps? |
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| 08:11.07 | kd8ikt | yup |
| 08:11.13 | kd8ikt | havent tried gprs though |
| 08:11.23 | kd8ikt | it uses the FSO dbus framework |
| 08:11.56 | kd8ikt | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
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| 08:14.25 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, did you get the android logo right away, or after a certain time of waiting? |
| 08:15.35 | kd8ikt | like 15sec maybe dunno didnt count it |
| 08:15.44 | kd8ikt | takes a few though |
| 08:16.38 | KenSentMe | All i get is a black screen |
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| 08:16.41 | kd8ikt | sd card needs 2 partitions from what i understand a fat and ext3 |
| 08:17.10 | kd8ikt | fat for music/junk ext3 for settings/config/junk |
| 08:17.24 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:17.27 | KenSentMe | I got that i think. I had done it to get android running before |
| 08:18.24 | kd8ikt | omfg i did it again |
| 08:18.52 | kd8ikt | oops i did it again, i flashed the kernel fs with a rootfs. oops i did it again |
| 08:18.55 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 08:20.10 | KenSentMe | brb, reboot |
| 08:20.27 | kd8ikt | must be windows :D |
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| 08:24.14 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, I flashed the rootfs and kernel for android, but when i boot from the NOR boot menu i get 'Can't get kernel image' |
| 08:24.19 | KenSentMe | I installed qi too |
| 08:24.34 | kd8ikt | not tnor |
| 08:24.49 | kd8ikt | use qi <normal bootup> |
| 08:24.57 | kd8ikt | aka nand |
| 08:24.59 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, and if just startup the phone i get a black screen |
| 08:25.08 | kd8ikt | yeah thats qi |
| 08:25.14 | kd8ikt | just wait a tick |
| 08:25.30 | kd8ikt | unless you see flashing led's all is well |
| 08:25.35 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, i waited a few minutes |
| 08:25.43 | kd8ikt | any flashing leds? |
| 08:26.36 | KenSentMe | I press the power button 8 sec before i see the screen light up a bit. The aux led just flickers once after i press the power button |
| 08:26.52 | kd8ikt | try one more time pull the battery and usb cable then reinsert batt and hoold power till the blank screen pops p |
| 08:27.04 | kd8ikt | yeah aux always does that |
| 08:27.33 | kd8ikt | one quick flicker/ and with mine i hear a spike go through the speakers |
| 08:27.50 | KenSentMe | Ok, black screen pops up now, waiting |
| 08:27.55 | kd8ikt | kewl |
| 08:28.07 | KenSentMe | (i got this far already) |
| 08:28.21 | kd8ikt | keep an eye on the screen and leds |
| 08:28.35 | kd8ikt | android logo should pop up |
| 08:28.57 | kd8ikt | using the kernel and jffs from seans page? |
| 08:29.10 | KenSentMe | Yeah, downloaded yesterday |
| 08:29.11 | kd8ikt | http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 08:29.42 | KenSentMe | Hmm, i see there's a new jffs2 file |
| 08:29.55 | kd8ikt | ah ha |
| 08:30.06 | KenSentMe | Downloading now |
| 08:30.07 | kd8ikt | maybe there was an issue |
| 08:34.14 | KenSentMe | Installing new rootfs now |
| 08:34.42 | kd8ikt | export KenSentMe_DebugLevel=0 |
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| 08:35.04 | kd8ikt | :D |
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| 08:41.04 | KenSentMe | Trying again |
| 08:41.17 | kd8ikt | great now shr isnt seeing my mmc card |
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| 08:42.15 | KenSentMe | Still no luck |
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| 08:44.58 | kd8ikt | welp |
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| 09:04.00 | kd8ikt | cant say we didnt try our best |
| 09:04.36 | KenSentMe | Downloading shr now, to test it and check if the partitions on the sd card are correct |
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| 09:28.22 | CVirus | WSOD gone now ? |
| 09:28.34 | CVirus | Nicolas' patch |
| 09:31.58 | kd8ikt | begins salivating at the notion |
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| 09:35.34 | kd8ikt | aw google bastards they put capcha's on the tiles |
| 09:35.41 | m0nt0 | CVirus, there's a patch, didn't understand if it's in some brach right now |
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| 09:41.52 | loca|host | kd8ikt, where's that ? |
| 09:42.21 | kd8ikt | The document has moved |
| 09:42.21 | kd8ikt | <A HREF="http://sorry.google.com/sorry/?continue=http://khm.google.com/kh%3F%26x%3D1089%26y%3D1561%26zoom%3D5">here</A>. |
| 09:42.36 | kd8ikt | google sat tiles for tangogps |
| 09:43.49 | kd8ikt | basicly for my #.png's are comming up as html files with that crap in em |
| 09:44.00 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 09:44.50 | kd8ikt | shakes a fist at google |
| 09:46.10 | SpeedEvil | tangogps is not a legitimate app to use with google tiles |
| 09:46.14 | SpeedEvil | It violates the TOS |
| 09:46.27 | SpeedEvil | as it caches the tiles, and worse, downloads large amounts |
| 09:46.41 | SpeedEvil | you might be able to get away with the first, but the second is trivially noticable |
| 09:47.27 | kd8ikt | dunno why google cares if you cache their shit |
| 09:47.36 | kd8ikt | thats basicly all google does to everyone else |
| 09:47.45 | SpeedEvil | Because they don't ahve the rights for that. |
| 09:47.55 | balrog-kun | maybe because it's not their shit :p it's somebody else's |
| 09:47.58 | SpeedEvil | They've paid (say) $100m for access to the dataset |
| 09:48.02 | kd8ikt | fricken openmoko wiki could be down but google cache wold still be up |
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| 09:48.18 | SpeedEvil | To give the rights for users to copy the dataset might be $1B |
| 09:49.23 | kd8ikt | guess i need to use osm then |
| 09:49.34 | kd8ikt | and upload track data |
| 09:50.01 | SpeedEvil | That's one option - unless yahoo has good ariel coverage in your area. |
| 09:50.09 | SpeedEvil | As yahoo have said that it's OK to trace it |
| 09:52.20 | kd8ikt | trace ? |
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| 09:53.51 | SpeedEvil | take the satellite or aerial imagery and click along the features, to create roads or rivers on the UI. |
| 09:53.58 | SpeedEvil | Either in JOSM or potlatch |
| 09:54.14 | SpeedEvil | where are you kd8ikt? |
| 09:55.00 | kd8ikt | ? ohio |
| 09:55.23 | SpeedEvil | There should be some coverage at least from OSM, due to the TIGER data import. |
| 09:55.33 | SpeedEvil | Though it's not really great for a number of reasons. |
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| 10:21.01 | Ainulindale | ieatlint? |
| 10:21.23 | ieatlint | why am i awake and so readily available to respond? |
| 10:21.25 | ieatlint | :P |
| 10:21.46 | Ainulindale | Heh |
| 10:21.52 | Ainulindale | Are you still developing lint-wifi? |
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| 10:22.22 | ieatlint | sadly, no, i long abandoned it when i switched to using c, and never really followed through with a c-based version |
| 10:22.52 | ieatlint | but the logistics of interfacing with wpa_supplicant are still pretty clear on my mind, if you're looking for such insight |
| 10:23.06 | Ainulindale | I'm looking for a solution |
| 10:23.08 | Ainulindale | =) |
| 10:23.35 | SpeedEvil | dissolves Ainulindale in a vat of jam. |
| 10:23.45 | ieatlint | and seeing as i've been up 19 hours on 3 hours of sleep (and it's 2:23am here), it is impressive i'm awake :P |
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| 11:12.48 | m0nt0 | hey i'm trying to compile the kernel and i get this on gentoo, any ideas? /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ld: bad -rpath option |
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| 11:29.48 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2dade368d50b 10/fsod/ (9 files in 5 dirs): |
| 11:29.48 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add logger for logging fsod messages (Thanks playya) |
| 11:29.48 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) renamed org.fso.Objects to org.fso.Framework |
| 11:29.48 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Removed building libfsod.la target. Not needed at the moment |
| 11:29.48 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 4.) Some more command line arguments |
| 11:29.52 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd93b09c79531 10/fsod/src/ (options.vala subsystems/Device/input/input-helpers.c): Fix a silly little build error |
| 11:29.55 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r95d04a55ffe2 10/fsod/src/ (options.vala subsystems/Device/input/input-helpers.c): |
| 11:29.58 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "Fix a silly little build error" |
| 11:30.00 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit d93b09c7953148917337feb4fa1d421781558fa0. |
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| 12:35.23 | emilis_info | crappy kernel panics |
| 12:38.53 | Weiss | mmm... kernel panic.... |
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| 12:41.48 | emilis_info | shit... I've got a message I should have received yesterday evening |
| 12:45.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03jeremy * r4850 10/developers/jeremy/winker/ (. madwinker): madwinker: to test suspend/resume. a script. |
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| 13:14.49 | elserpiente__ | hi |
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| 13:30.24 | spydon | hi |
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| 15:02.18 | uzi18 | hi all |
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| 15:42.09 | slaxxin | cause dpkg, the Debian package manager, does not support non-POSIX |
| 15:42.09 | slaxxin | filesystems, the Debian kernel package can not be installed. More |
| 15:42.09 | slaxxin | information are available at http://bugs.debian.org/315493. |
| 15:42.17 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.48 | slaxxin | trying to put debian on sd |
| 15:42.51 | henk | what filesystem are you using? |
| 15:43.18 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.37 | slaxxin | trying to use fat |
| 15:43.44 | henk | vfat doesn't know about users, groups, symlinks, ... |
| 15:43.44 | max_posedon | fat isn't posix fs) |
| 15:43.55 | henk | too many things linux relies on... |
| 15:43.58 | slaxxin | so what to do |
| 15:44.08 | henk | use ext for /boot or only one partition altogether |
| 15:44.14 | slaxxin | ok |
| 15:44.22 | slaxxin | thanks |
| 15:44.58 | henk | you're welcome |
| 15:45.25 | lindi- | 4 |
| 15:45.27 | lindi- | whoops |
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| 15:49.23 | janrikard | slaxxin: I did like this, after install.sh all I ran install.sh kernel nad that worked |
| 15:50.24 | slaxxin | it keeps exiting io dont get that far |
| 15:50.44 | slaxxin | Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy |
| 15:51.05 | janrikard | ok, then i cant help you, sorry |
| 15:51.31 | henk | slaxxin: is it mounted? |
| 15:51.32 | slaxxin | thanks anyways:) |
| 15:52.32 | slaxxin | umount /media/card |
| 15:52.33 | slaxxin | fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 15:53.07 | henk | wrong terminal... |
| 15:53.19 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.19 | slaxxin | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 245 7832 83 Linux |
| 15:53.19 | slaxxin | /dev/mmcblk0p2 246 61440 1958240 83 Linux |
| 15:53.34 | slaxxin | oo |
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| 15:54.11 | lindi- | slaxxin: /proc/mounts |
| 15:54.21 | henk | slaxxin: was that supposed to be an answer? |
| 15:54.28 | slaxxin | no |
| 15:54.37 | slaxxin | i need anawers |
| 15:55.00 | henk | i'm telling nuthin! i want my phone call! |
| 15:55.12 | slaxxin | lolol |
| 15:55.30 | slaxxin | pernmission denied |
| 15:55.45 | henk | No such file or directory: answers |
| 15:56.39 | henk | slaxxin: so, whats the problem now? |
| 15:57.39 | slaxxin | cant get debian installed on sd |
| 15:58.19 | lindi- | slaxxin: permission denied what? |
| 15:58.30 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.52 | henk | slaxxin: cat, don't execute... |
| 15:58.59 | slaxxin | ima noob |
| 15:59.09 | slaxxin | cat /proc/mounts |
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| 15:59.38 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.38 | slaxxin | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 15:59.38 | slaxxin | /dev/root / jffs2 rw,noatime 0 0 |
| 15:59.38 | slaxxin | proc /proc proc rw 0 0 |
| 15:59.38 | slaxxin | sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 |
| 15:59.39 | slaxxin | none /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 |
| 15:59.40 | henk | slaxxin: btw: please stop pasting. use a pastebin like paste.debian.net |
| 15:59.41 | slaxxin | tmpfs /var/volatile tmpfs rw 0 0 |
| 15:59.43 | slaxxin | tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 |
| 15:59.45 | slaxxin | devpts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0 |
| 15:59.47 | slaxxin | /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/mmcblk0p2 ext2 rw,sync 0 0 |
| 15:59.48 | ronny | GAH |
| 15:59.49 | slaxxin | ooo no |
| 15:59.51 | slaxxin | ok |
| 16:00.12 | slaxxin | http://paste.debian.net/22929/ |
| 16:00.16 | slaxxin | sorry |
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| 16:01.35 | lindi- | slaxxin: you can see that mmcblk0p2 is in use |
| 16:01.41 | lindi- | slaxxin: on the last line you pasted |
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| 16:02.25 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rb0feadc4e73b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: change linux-openmoko for #1841, WSOD. |
| 16:02.54 | slaxxin | doesnt umount /media/card release it? |
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| 16:03.06 | henk | it's not mounted on /media/card... |
| 16:03.12 | slaxxin | ok |
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| 16:06.56 | slaxxin | so do i need an 8meg vfat or not? |
| 16:08.47 | lindi- | slaxxin: newer uboot does ext2 just fine |
| 16:09.11 | TAsn | hey, where can I get this app from: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a4faae3a588bfd003c05de435120b4d9.png ? |
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| 16:13.42 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3d4244fcd344 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py): |
| 16:13.42 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: implement org.freesmartphone.Device.LED.SetNetworking(s,s)->() |
| 16:13.42 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: * add parameter validation to .SetBlinking |
| 16:13.47 | slaxxin | ok |
| 16:13.57 | slaxxin | thanks for info |
| 16:20.21 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9206abbc22d8 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: document org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.[Get|Set]SpeakerVolume |
| 16:20.22 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re491332cf5aa 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): odevapi: document org.freesmartphone.Device.LED.SetNetworking( interface, mode ) -> () |
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| 16:24.40 | walkie | have anybody succeed to boot last daily images? I have tried last weekend and today images - they both stop booting with message 'Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoC driver' |
| 16:25.35 | feitinge1 | actually, i am going back to 2008.08 where the dhclient worked last time |
| 16:25.40 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r313a6fdb0b41 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: document org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.[Get|Set]MicrophoneMuted() |
| 16:26.35 | walkie | two weeks before image boots ok, but when i tried this last time but i'm not successed in usb networkung |
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| 16:37.35 | feitinge1 | i got a ton of 128mb cards, does anyone remember the approx size of the OM tarball? |
| 16:40.36 | lindi- | feitinge1: is there 'the OM'? |
| 16:41.04 | lindi- | walkie: stable-tracking branch? |
| 16:41.31 | feitinge1 | sorry, any tarball will do |
| 16:41.43 | feitinge1 | small tarball, that is |
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| 16:42.10 | lindi- | feitinge1: i have one with zero size, will it do? ;) |
| 16:42.41 | feitinge1 | hehe |
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| 16:44.29 | feitinge1 | any openmoko-compatible prebuilt bootable/usable rootfs |
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| 17:02.06 | sleipnir | roh: ping |
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| 17:07.30 | moritz1 | good evening |
| 17:07.58 | spydon | good "day" |
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| 17:15.06 | walkie | lindi-, sorry, lost internet connection, i was trying http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
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| 17:27.15 | henkie_ | it would be nice if usb0 would be set to a different subnet than 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 17:27.23 | henkie_ | with all that flashing :) |
| 17:27.37 | lindi- | henkie_: just set it? |
| 17:27.43 | henkie_ | or first tries dhcp or something |
| 17:27.58 | lindi- | i use 192.168.4.0/24 |
| 17:28.15 | henkie_ | lindi-, sure but it gets kind of boring after the 100th time :) |
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| 17:28.17 | zash | 10/8 ftw |
| 17:28.32 | lindi- | henkie_: don't reinstall so much |
| 17:28.55 | henkie_ | lindi-, yeah well, gots to try them all :) |
| 17:29.19 | lindi- | henkie_: i doubt this is how you test software on your PC |
| 17:29.27 | henk | what's wrong about 192.168.0.0/24? |
| 17:29.48 | lindi- | henk: it's often already in use |
| 17:30.09 | henkie_ | henk, default already on most networks |
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| 17:30.17 | zash | henk: only 254 hosts :( |
| 17:30.28 | lindi- | henkie_: but choosing random value is not a good solution either |
| 17:30.36 | lindi- | henkie_: just configure it right for you once |
| 17:30.39 | henkie_ | i prefer bridging(?) |
| 17:30.46 | lindi- | henkie_: and don't overwrite the configuration files all the time |
| 17:30.47 | henkie_ | lindi-, true |
| 17:30.54 | henk | zash: lol |
| 17:31.05 | henk | lindi-, henkie_: does that matter? |
| 17:31.27 | henkie_ | lindi-, flashing kind of does that :) |
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| 17:32.09 | lindi- | henkie_: just don't flash or configure the images before you do |
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| 17:32.43 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r81d07b588d0e 10/fsod/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 17:32.43 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) request_name no longer static |
| 17:32.43 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Some cleanups |
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| 17:32.44 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r3fa5eb6f2edc 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/input/input-helpers.c: use g_log instead of print and g_message |
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| 17:34.08 | henkie_ | lindi-, plz dont |
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| 18:06.40 | slaxxin | wassa |
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| 18:10.28 | rooly | christ that took forever |
| 18:11.13 | slaxxin | what u gonna do? |
| 18:11.22 | rooly | when they come for you? |
| 18:12.01 | slaxxin | i was thinking of that movie |
| 18:12.06 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.19 | rooly | no but really, my internet just came back on after a day.5 |
| 18:12.34 | slaxxin | dangit |
| 18:12.46 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.45 | haakeyar | Hi. I don't subscribe to the mailing list, so it is hard to reply to a message without messing up in-reply-to/references and thus the threading. Somebody is looking for ntpq (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/037074.html). It is in the ntp-bin package. |
| 18:26.18 | haakeyar | So if somebody would be very kind and reply to that thread (or tell me how to do it without messing up threading), that would be great! ;) |
| 18:27.26 | henkie_ | hmm, it seems the mac address of the usb0 is device is random |
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| 18:29.38 | henkie_ | is there a config option to make it a fixed address? (as in read it from file or something) |
| 18:31.59 | Sargun_Screen | xsure. |
| 18:32.04 | Sargun_Screen | what distro |
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| 18:39.20 | mwester | henkie_: You can pass it in as a parameter on the boot command line, IIRC. |
| 18:39.46 | henkie_ | ah tnx |
| 18:40.06 | henkie_ | is there also a way to make udhcp give out the hostname? |
| 18:40.33 | zash | ping -b |
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| 18:48.27 | henkie_ | ah, found it, kind of obvious :) |
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| 20:15.04 | GNUtoo | hello, is there anyone that uses angstrom here? |
| 20:15.07 | vininim_ | does qi-s3c2442-master works in s3c2440 |
| 20:16.16 | vininim_ | trying anyway =X |
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| 20:19.22 | LostInSpace | pb_, heya have a minute? |
| 20:19.28 | LostInSpace | pb__, or this one =) |
| 20:19.52 | vininim_ | it does work |
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| 21:06.41 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.02 | Zorkman | you said it slaxxin! |
| 21:09.34 | Zorkman | although i'm going for the purple cyan green furnace |
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| 21:11.48 | vininim_ | does andy-tracking-kernel fixes resume in android? |
| 21:12.41 | igor321 | noup |
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| 21:15.23 | Sargun | What is andy doing? |
| 21:17.09 | slaxxin | haha |
| 21:17.23 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.00 | Zorkman | i have some slaxxin |
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| 21:25.44 | vininim_ | OMG |
| 21:25.46 | vininim_ | it did resume |
| 21:26.01 | vininim_ | and the screen was shaking |
| 21:30.29 | vininim_ | it seems to have that old FSO bug of not resuming after sleeping for a long time |
| 21:30.46 | vininim_ | but it resumes "ok" after only some minutes |
| 21:39.50 | vininim_ | I'm going go to start timing the resumes |
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| 21:47.51 | vininim_ | mm it's not quite resuming it seems. speaker keeps "popping" from time to time |
| 21:48.40 | vininim_ | s/resuming/sleeping/ |
| 21:48.50 | lindi- | vininim_: re-registering issue? |
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| 21:51.00 | vininim_ | could be, don't know if that is handled in android... but anyway after 20 minutes it doesn't resume |
| 21:51.34 | lindi- | vininim_: grep source code for AT%SLEEP |
| 21:52.03 | lindi- | vininim_: no results => it does not workaround the bug and you might disconnect from the GSM network randomly |
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| 21:58.49 | sda00 | hi guys, sorry for bothering, could you advise what exactly i need to boot in qemu? already got this: http://www.imagebam.com/image/26d14020128786 but i wish to go further and look at illume. huge thanks! |
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| 22:01.45 | sda00 | i don't see any error but this screen just report that all is fine and go to the repeat |
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| 22:10.46 | zash | moo |
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| 22:27.51 | Zorkman | anybodyu know where to get this?: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f64477ee388398b101e98732eb7feee2.png ? |
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| 22:37.38 | Dave | Zorkman, cool right? |
| 22:37.42 | Dave | Did you check opkg? |
| 22:37.46 | Dave | (org) |
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| 22:38.57 | Zorkman | Dave: yes, but I can't find it on opkg.org |
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| 22:39.02 | Dave | heh |
| 22:39.04 | Dave | Mmontour :) |
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| 23:16.31 | henk | my om-testing (2008.x as well) don't wake up from suspend most of the time. does anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 23:18.59 | henk | atm my solution is to disable suspend and not push the power button apart from shutting down. |
| 23:19.21 | rooly | whats your kernel version |
| 23:19.43 | rooly | suspend is mostly fixed in the more recent kernels |
| 23:20.01 | henk | oh, 2.6.24 |
| 23:20.10 | henk | which kernel should i use with om-testing? |
| 23:20.35 | rooly | no, what date, henk |
| 23:21.56 | henk | i guess it's from Om2008.9, so 2008-11-17 |
| 23:23.13 | rooly | nvm, i can't help |
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| 23:24.30 | henk | rooly: ok, thanks anyway :) |
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| 23:39.41 | henk | om-testing: when i press the power button, the screen fades out, but the phone still responds to ssh. i just can't get the screen back on. what can i do? |
| 23:41.19 | pieterc | cry |
| 23:41.22 | pieterc | ^^ |
| 23:41.37 | pieterc | (sorry, no clue) |
| 23:41.42 | Sargun | Dave. |
| 23:41.56 | Sargun | Dave, Do you follow the support-ml? |
| 23:42.03 | henk | pieterc: tried it. didn't help. |
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| 23:48.07 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r95b0d579d9ef 10framework/framework/ (controller.py subsystem.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:48.07 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: MAJOR BUGFIX: |
| 23:48.07 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: Stop importing modules by full name, instead append the subsystem to sys.path, |
| 23:48.07 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: by that we workaround modules getting imported twice, once as (e.g. |
| 23:48.10 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: <framework.subsystems.ogsmd.modems.abstract.calling> and |
| 23:48.12 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: <ogsmd.modems.abstract.calling>. Apparantly, if you are using __import__, you |
| 23:48.14 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: bypass the usual Python module import checks that should prevent modules from |
| 23:48.16 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r2c0b6753c937 10framework/framework/patterns/daemon.py: fix SIGTERM handler in daemon support code |
| 23:48.43 | Dave | Sargun, episodically. |
| 23:48.54 | Dave | Not closely, I'm more of a hardware whore :) |
| 23:50.19 | Sargun | Dave, haha |
| 23:51.49 | Wonka | how does one edit those .edj files? |
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| 23:54.59 | sicu | Wonka: by de-compiling |
| 23:55.12 | Wonka | O.o |
| 23:55.14 | sicu | Wonka: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Edje_Compiler |
| 23:55.42 | sicu | Wonka: edje_decc theme.edj |
| 23:55.59 | Wonka | ok, that might be the part of e i am inclined to hate |
| 23:56.18 | sicu | why ? |
| 23:56.20 | Wonka | similar to .jar files... |
| 23:56.50 | Wonka | yet another needless nonstandard compressed format |
| 23:57.02 | Wonka | why not just .tar.bz2 those files? |
| 23:57.09 | sicu | it's a standard e format ;p |
| 23:57.44 | Wonka | yeah, and tomorrow a standard qt format, and the day after that a standard gtk format... |
| 23:58.03 | Wonka | so many standards! which of those should we choose? |
| 23:58.27 | Wonka | make it binary! make it complicated! make it non-editable by hand! |
| 23:58.42 | sicu | freedom of choice =] |
| 23:58.45 | sicu | but i see your point |
