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| 00:14.03 | pieterc | N97 seems like 'hot stuf' |
| 00:14.29 | pieterc | -checking hw specs- |
| 00:16.55 | Weiss | r.e. Glamo 3D: a group of people signed up to sign the NDA and start on an OpenGL:ES driver |
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| 00:19.14 | raster | i hope they like the pain :) |
| 00:19.52 | doc|home | they do own freerunners |
| 00:19.53 | doc|home | :) |
| 00:20.02 | Weiss | hehe, indeed |
| 00:20.14 | raster | do good point |
| 00:20.22 | raster | doc|home: good point :) |
| 00:20.26 | raster | it is possible |
| 00:20.32 | raster | it just imho wont be worth the effort |
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| 00:21.14 | raster | i';m all about results |
| 00:21.27 | raster | how do u get good results and make sure your work doesnt go to waste |
| 00:22.56 | Weiss | some other people are about taking on an interesting challenge and seeing what happens |
| 00:23.13 | raster | sure |
| 00:23.14 | raster | :) |
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| 00:23.46 | linuxxr | alrightythen |
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| 00:36.36 | slick666 | Hello all |
| 00:36.49 | slick666 | Anyone active? |
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| 00:41.40 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 00:44.36 | slick666 | I'm interested in synchronization between openmoko and evolution |
| 00:44.58 | slick666 | but I don't see too much online in terms of examples |
| 00:45.14 | slick666 | are there any groups working on this? |
| 00:45.41 | jonkristian | you can import/export vcard format, i think it'll depend on what kind of os you use though |
| 00:48.39 | slick666 | well I'm looking to keep it simple and free |
| 00:48.53 | slick666 | Linux desktop and linux phone :) |
| 00:49.29 | jonkristian | you can set up a cronjob or something to sync vcards |
| 00:49.38 | jonkristian | there's also unison |
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| 00:49.54 | jonkristian | haven't really tested this yet though. |
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| 00:50.47 | sebbs | ok i will get a openmoko, but i think its better i wait for GTA03 |
| 00:50.48 | slick666 | I see |
| 00:50.57 | slick666 | diddo |
| 00:51.06 | sebbs | sucky to have to wait though |
| 00:51.19 | slick666 | I'm wait for GTA03 for better video |
| 00:51.22 | jonkristian | slick666: did you read this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts |
| 00:51.39 | sebbs | wish there where more phones that allowed me to install linux on them |
| 00:51.49 | raster | there are |
| 00:51.49 | sebbs | slick666: define better video |
| 00:51.56 | raster | treo650 |
| 00:52.00 | jonkristian | but not as open;) |
| 00:52.05 | raster | a bunch of motorolas (older) |
| 00:52.11 | raster | nopt as |
| 00:52.13 | raster | but i will say |
| 00:52.23 | slick666 | brb guys |
| 00:52.25 | raster | my treo650 actually works better :) |
| 00:52.29 | sebbs | hmm |
| 00:52.34 | sebbs | i was thinking about a treo |
| 00:52.36 | raster | it might have 25% less cpu and 1/4 the ram |
| 00:52.40 | raster | but it is smoother |
| 00:52.42 | sebbs | but can you install linux on it? |
| 00:52.53 | sebbs | could you direct me to some docs on the matter |
| 00:53.00 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-03.jpg |
| 00:53.06 | sebbs | and can iinstall linux on other versions of it? like the 800 etc |
| 00:53.16 | sebbs | cos the treo has qwerty and that is what i want, moko does not |
| 00:53.21 | sebbs | i would get a moko to have fun with though |
| 00:53.52 | raster | salmost everything on the treo650 works |
| 00:53.57 | jonkristian | raster: that's wicked:) |
| 00:54.03 | raster | suspend/resume is partly done |
| 00:54.15 | raster | and the gsm modem works - there is the serial device and u can talk at commands |
| 00:54.17 | sebbs | raster: wow cool |
| 00:54.19 | raster | people have made calls |
| 00:54.39 | raster | the problem is with only 32m ram u really need to tighten your belt |
| 00:54.40 | sebbs | raster: can you install debian on it? |
| 00:54.43 | sebbs | oh |
| 00:54.46 | raster | fuck no |
| 00:54.46 | sebbs | 32M :( :( |
| 00:54.49 | raster | yes |
| 00:54.57 | raster | also flash not supported |
| 00:55.01 | raster | so u need to boot off sd |
| 00:55.03 | sebbs | 01:51 < sebbs> wish there where more phones that allowed me to install linux on them |
| 00:55.11 | raster | but palmos is a fantastic bootloader |
| 00:55.17 | raster | almsot as fast as u-boot |
| 00:55.19 | raster | :) |
| 00:55.20 | sebbs | ah so you run palm+debian |
| 00:55.27 | sebbs | and can boot between |
| 00:55.41 | raster | i challenge u to have a debian boot work in 32m ram |
| 00:55.43 | raster | with no swap |
| 00:55.49 | sebbs | it wont work |
| 00:55.52 | sebbs | 128 is too little |
| 00:55.56 | sebbs | 256 is ok |
| 00:56.00 | raster | bingo |
| 00:56.03 | raster | debian imho is just fat |
| 00:56.05 | kd8ikt | alsa :( |
| 00:56.07 | sebbs | yes |
| 00:56.07 | raster | its a bloated wreck |
| 00:56.12 | jonkristian | hm, too bad the onscreen keyboard for android doesn't work on text msg's:/ |
| 00:56.12 | raster | when it comes to devices |
| 00:56.19 | sebbs | but i mean any distro with alot of apps |
| 00:56.23 | raster | u have to do a LOT of work to lean it down |
| 00:56.25 | jonkristian | raster: what distro do you use? |
| 00:56.29 | raster | using OE is a much better move |
| 00:56.31 | sebbs | debian is wha tyou install of it really, you need to change kernel though |
| 00:56.32 | kd8ikt | yeah its hugely fat but miraciously has NOTHING |
| 00:56.32 | raster | jonkristian: oe |
| 00:56.42 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News |
| 00:56.44 | raster | see the news |
| 00:56.47 | raster | i have treo650 images |
| 00:56.51 | sebbs | thanks |
| 00:56.54 | raster | i built an updated one a week ago or so |
| 00:57.09 | sebbs | what i basically want to do is to run mutt |
| 00:57.11 | sebbs | thats it |
| 00:57.22 | raster | hackndev.com has all the info on getticn linux on palm devices |
| 00:57.43 | raster | sebbs: mutt wont be much use unless u have a way to get data on/off the device |
| 00:57.46 | raster | ie a "network" |
| 00:57.47 | raster | :) |
| 00:58.01 | sebbs | yes |
| 00:58.04 | sebbs | i have a wireless network |
| 00:58.13 | sebbs | oh treo has no wiki |
| 00:58.14 | sebbs | wifi |
| 00:58.17 | sebbs | hehe wiki |
| 00:58.17 | raster | treo6750 doesnt have 802.11 |
| 00:58.21 | sebbs | ok |
| 00:58.24 | raster | only bt and gprs |
| 00:58.25 | sebbs | thats no good then |
| 00:58.34 | sebbs | i need wifi |
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| 00:59.02 | sebbs | what i basically want is to run mutt+qwerty that would be ideal |
| 00:59.28 | sebbs | guess i will have to wait for GTA03 |
| 00:59.36 | jonkristian | wow, get too late |
| 00:59.50 | jonkristian | nighty |
| 01:00.37 | raster | sebbs: gta03 wont have a kbd |
| 01:00.43 | sebbs | naw i know |
| 01:00.44 | raster | so u'll be waiting even longer |
| 01:00.53 | sebbs | but it will be ok enough |
| 01:01.17 | sebbs | ive been looking for a qwerty+linux installable phone for a while |
| 01:01.32 | sebbs | i want apt-get thats why i keep saying "debian" not linux |
| 01:01.44 | sebbs | cos most "linux phones" run closed versions of distros |
| 01:01.48 | sebbs | i dont like that i want root |
| 01:02.01 | sebbs | g1 has a hack, but only for a specific firmware version |
| 01:02.08 | sebbs | etc |
| 01:05.50 | raster | oe has "apt-get" |
| 01:05.52 | raster | its opkg |
| 01:05.55 | raster | (or used to be ipkg) |
| 01:05.56 | raster | same thing |
| 01:06.02 | raster | works very much like apt+dpkg |
| 01:06.05 | raster | just much smaller and leaner |
| 01:08.08 | sebbs | oe? |
| 01:08.27 | sebbs | opkg == no depencency resolving? |
| 01:12.18 | raster | yes |
| 01:12.22 | raster | it has full dependency resolving |
| 01:12.25 | raster | just like apt |
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| 01:12.34 | raster | it will fetch packages from repositories over http |
| 01:12.47 | raster | it has pretty much everything ap+dpkg has for "common usage" |
| 01:12.50 | raster | apt+dpkg |
| 01:12.54 | sebbs | what kind of packages |
| 01:12.59 | sebbs | from what repo |
| 01:13.00 | raster | .ipk |
| 01:13.04 | raster | openembedded |
| 01:13.06 | sebbs | never heard of |
| 01:13.11 | raster | any repo you like |
| 01:13.15 | sebbs | ? |
| 01:13.22 | sebbs | .deb ? |
| 01:13.34 | sebbs | what do you mean from any repo |
| 01:13.43 | raster | .ipk |
| 01:13.58 | raster | any openembedded repo that builds the same "distributiuon" |
| 01:14.02 | raster | its just like deb |
| 01:14.05 | sebbs | ok |
| 01:14.10 | sebbs | so i would have to compile my own apps |
| 01:14.15 | raster | .ipk is like .deb but much simpler format |
| 01:14.16 | sebbs | for the phone if they are not included |
| 01:14.19 | raster | yes |
| 01:14.26 | raster | if its not in the repository |
| 01:14.38 | sebbs | and since its arm, i would have to compile it on a arm platform |
| 01:14.40 | raster | openembedded.org |
| 01:14.41 | raster | read |
| 01:14.42 | raster | :) |
| 01:14.46 | raster | no |
| 01:14.49 | raster | use openembedded |
| 01:14.52 | sebbs | how long does it take to compile on it |
| 01:14.54 | sebbs | ah |
| 01:14.56 | raster | you can cross-compile |
| 01:15.01 | sebbs | sweet |
| 01:15.08 | raster | how do u think us devs make these flash images? |
| 01:15.13 | raster | i do this all day everyu day |
| 01:15.18 | raster | all my buildign happens on my desktop |
| 01:15.23 | raster | i pump out flash or ext2. images |
| 01:15.32 | sebbs | yes i know, i build those systems at work |
| 01:15.42 | sebbs | scripting build processes |
| 01:15.48 | raster | (jffs2 flash fro mmy neo's shapr and n800, ext2 fo my treo650) |
| 01:15.50 | sebbs | specifcally for designers |
| 01:15.53 | raster | i can build specific packages |
| 01:15.57 | raster | and have specific ipk files |
| 01:16.06 | raster | it can be used by anyone really |
| 01:16.11 | raster | it is a pain to set up to start |
| 01:16.38 | raster | but once set up |
| 01:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | kd8ikt: don't do this, please! |
| 01:16.43 | sebbs | so lets say a app like wyrd http://pessimization.com/software/wyrd/screenshot.png |
| 01:16.46 | raster | i can build or rebuild any package with: |
| 01:16.52 | raster | bitback -c rebuild packagename |
| 01:16.54 | raster | err |
| 01:16.55 | raster | bitbake |
| 01:16.57 | sebbs | i would have to package that |
| 01:16.58 | raster | or just |
| 01:17.02 | raster | bitbake package |
| 01:17.02 | sebbs | repackage |
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| 01:17.10 | raster | if its already built it'll do nothing |
| 01:17.16 | raster | all package files get put in a directory |
| 01:17.25 | raster | and yes |
| 01:17.28 | raster | u'd have to package it |
| 01:17.30 | raster | you write a .bb file |
| 01:17.37 | raster | .bb basically tells oe how to build |
| 01:17.40 | raster | and produce a package |
| 01:17.49 | sebbs | so what hardware supports oe |
| 01:17.50 | raster | in fact - it can produce multiple package formats |
| 01:17.53 | raster | not just ipk |
| 01:17.56 | raster | also can produce .deb |
| 01:17.57 | raster | and others |
| 01:17.58 | sebbs | smartphone wise |
| 01:18.03 | raster | a LOT |
| 01:18.20 | sebbs | would there be a compiled list somewhere around? |
| 01:18.40 | raster | oe has builds for 94 hardware targets' |
| 01:18.52 | raster | openmoko use oe for their default |
| 01:18.56 | raster | as do all distros for the neo |
| 01:18.58 | raster | EXCEPT debian |
| 01:19.16 | raster | its used for openezx phones (the motorla hacked phones) |
| 01:19.23 | raster | used for palm devices |
| 01:19.26 | raster | including treo650 |
| 01:19.29 | raster | also htc phones |
| 01:19.34 | raster | ipaq's |
| 01:19.44 | raster | and more |
| 01:19.46 | raster | as i said |
| 01:19.52 | raster | i list 94 targets in oe |
| 01:19.52 | sebbs | hmm |
| 01:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | which might be a god thing, as I think OE is for EMBEDDED, *not* small computers that incidentally have a builtin modem ;-) |
| 01:20.06 | frojnd | Hello there. |
| 01:20.06 | sebbs | is there a list of those 94 targets/ |
| 01:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | s/go/goo/ |
| 01:20.20 | sebbs | i am looking for something to run mutt on |
| 01:20.27 | sebbs | textbased applications |
| 01:20.32 | sebbs | and i want it to have a wifi card |
| 01:20.43 | raster | sebbs: ~/oe/openembedded/conf/machine |
| 01:20.44 | frojnd | I have 2 q. 1) WHere is the page with used openmokos, 2)If I get 9 other people who'd buy om, what's the discount ? |
| 01:20.52 | raster | its the directory :) |
| 01:20.57 | raster | of my ow tree |
| 01:20.59 | raster | oe |
| 01:21.01 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.11 | sebbs | i dont think i follow |
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| 01:21.53 | raster | ./packages/mutt/mutt_1.5.15.bb |
| 01:22.00 | raster | oe already has a mutt package build |
| 01:22.01 | sebbs | ok so you have that package |
| 01:22.19 | sebbs | ok cool |
| 01:22.32 | sebbs | but my question is more like, what hardware could i run that file on. |
| 01:22.35 | raster | you dont need a fat 500+mb debian install (or 400mb) |
| 01:22.37 | raster | just to run mutt |
| 01:22.44 | raster | oe would manage it in 30m |
| 01:22.50 | sebbs | that is way cool |
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| 01:22.58 | sebbs | and if i can compile pkg for it its perfect for me |
| 01:22.58 | raster | of course u need to add in x and a wm and a terminal and vkbd |
| 01:23.02 | raster | that fattens it up a bit |
| 01:23.11 | sebbs | but thats cool |
| 01:23.16 | sebbs | and i could run puredata on it too |
| 01:23.17 | raster | openemebdded is a embedded device development infrastructure |
| 01:23.25 | sebbs | if i compiled it and all the libs |
| 01:23.35 | sebbs | but ok, so what targets are there around |
| 01:23.43 | raster | a lot |
| 01:23.44 | raster | 94 |
| 01:23.47 | raster | is what i list |
| 01:23.48 | sebbs | i would like to go trhough them to find one that would fit me the best |
| 01:23.53 | raster | ata quick list |
| 01:24.23 | sebbs | http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Category:Machine |
| 01:25.13 | raster | that doesnt list them |
| 01:25.21 | raster | the wiki doesnt reflect the code |
| 01:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | Eingebettete Systeme verrichten â weitestgehend unsichtbar für den Benutzer â den Dienst in einer Vielzahl von Anwendungsbereichen und Geräten, z. B. in Waschmaschinen, Flugzeugen, Kraftfahrzeugen, Kühlschränken,... [from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eingebettetes_System] |
| 01:25.36 | raster | git-clone the openembedded tree |
| 01:25.41 | raster | and look in conf/machine |
| 01:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | ..>> weitestgehend unsichtbar <<.. |
| 01:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | means no UI |
| 01:26.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's where OE is coming from |
| 01:26.15 | sebbs | is there a treo around that would allow me to install linux on it+ have wifi |
| 01:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | no users, no perms... |
| 01:26.29 | raster | sebbs: no |
| 01:26.32 | raster | treo doesnt have wifi |
| 01:26.35 | raster | you COULD use bt tho |
| 01:26.45 | raster | u can run a ip connection via bt |
| 01:26.49 | sebbs | not to connect to a router |
| 01:26.51 | raster | and for email it'd be overkill |
| 01:27.04 | raster | true |
| 01:27.06 | raster | wont have the range |
| 01:27.08 | sebbs | my phone has a wifi connection now and i have grown used to it |
| 01:27.12 | raster | tho some routers support bt |
| 01:27.17 | sebbs | i like to sit on IM and irc |
| 01:27.23 | sebbs | i would like to use mutt+irssi |
| 01:27.24 | sebbs | etc |
| 01:27.30 | sebbs | that is my ideal goal |
| 01:28.12 | raster | i'd love that too |
| 01:28.21 | raster | right now if it must be a phone |
| 01:28.27 | sebbs | Finally⦠commenting about the Treo Pro |
| 01:28.27 | sebbs | There is a lot packed into this little device. |
| 01:28.27 | raster | freeruner is as close as that gets |
| 01:28.28 | sebbs | It has WiFi and a 3G radio for fast mobile internet access. |
| 01:28.38 | raster | n810 if u dont care about the phone bit |
| 01:28.50 | sebbs | i do care about the phone bit |
| 01:28.53 | sebbs | i need it to be a phone |
| 01:28.56 | raster | then you are short on choices |
| 01:28.58 | raster | very short |
| 01:29.02 | sebbs | http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treopro/ |
| 01:29.07 | sebbs | that one has everything i would need |
| 01:29.13 | raster | linux not supported/ported |
| 01:29.16 | sebbs | exactly |
| 01:29.28 | raster | u could just port mutt+bitchx |
| 01:29.33 | raster | that possibly wouldnt be too hard |
| 01:29.37 | raster | to plamos |
| 01:29.48 | sebbs | well true, but there are alot of apps i would like to be able to just apt-get |
| 01:29.51 | raster | ooh wait |
| 01:29.52 | raster | winmobile |
| 01:29.55 | raster | u could port |
| 01:29.58 | sebbs | what about them |
| 01:29.58 | raster | use mingw32 |
| 01:30.02 | sebbs | *shrugs* |
| 01:30.24 | sebbs | i think ill jus twait for the openmoko gta03 and use that |
| 01:30.29 | sebbs | one day i will have what i want though |
| 01:30.40 | raster | but right now |
| 01:30.44 | sebbs | openmoko is a great leap from symbianOS |
| 01:30.48 | raster | the t-mobiel g1 is the closes u'll get |
| 01:30.49 | sebbs | i really hate symbian |
| 01:30.55 | raster | to something that has linux |
| 01:30.56 | raster | and 3g |
| 01:30.57 | sebbs | g1 has already been hacked |
| 01:30.59 | raster | and wifi |
| 01:31.06 | sebbs | some guy installed debian on it |
| 01:31.17 | sebbs | but they fixed that exploit |
| 01:31.28 | raster | and u'll need to "hack" the linux and get it all working differently from the default linux setup |
| 01:31.53 | raster | (whihc isnt really linux except for kernel.. userspace is a new beast thats more bsd than linux and has its own custom windowing system etc.) |
| 01:32.00 | raster | yes |
| 01:32.06 | raster | every phone will do this |
| 01:32.12 | raster | as even android is not open |
| 01:32.17 | raster | google of course says its open |
| 01:32.19 | sebbs | yes that sucks ass |
| 01:32.23 | sebbs | seriously thats bad |
| 01:32.26 | raster | its opne onyl for limited values of open |
| 01:32.32 | sebbs | that is why i prefer a system i could just install debian on |
| 01:32.34 | raster | not for the customers who pay money for the device |
| 01:32.44 | raster | and thats why i really have no faith in android |
| 01:32.50 | sebbs | nope i dont eitheri |
| 01:32.54 | sebbs | its just something they can sell |
| 01:32.57 | sebbs | ubuntu phonesthough |
| 01:33.02 | sebbs | they could work |
| 01:33.04 | raster | unlikely |
| 01:33.07 | sebbs | yes |
| 01:33.08 | sebbs | but they could |
| 01:33.17 | raster | as a phone with that much ram/flash/cpu will be hyper-expensive |
| 01:33.31 | raster | the g1 and iphone are fraily high-end devices |
| 01:33.39 | raster | and they accomplish what they do by not wasting space |
| 01:33.44 | raster | and cpu etc. and focusing on stuff |
| 01:33.49 | raster | that is phone centric |
| 01:33.54 | sebbs | irony, i need a high end device to run mutt |
| 01:33.58 | raster | ubuntu would not be recognisable on a phone |
| 01:34.04 | raster | it'd be a very trimmed version |
| 01:34.07 | sebbs | yes |
| 01:34.14 | raster | thats why you should consider oe |
| 01:34.17 | raster | it alreayd is trim |
| 01:34.23 | sebbs | i see your poin t |
| 01:34.26 | raster | i can build a whole flash rootfs image with x |
| 01:34.29 | raster | and runing enlightenment |
| 01:34.34 | raster | in about 35m |
| 01:34.37 | sebbs | could i run chroot? |
| 01:34.41 | raster | runs on my treo650 without problems |
| 01:34.43 | sebbs | like chrooted environments |
| 01:34.56 | raster | why? |
| 01:35.03 | sebbs | cos it would be way cool ^^ |
| 01:35.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | first add a few users ;-) |
| 01:35.28 | sebbs | so that treo 650 is perfect but lacks wifi |
| 01:35.39 | sebbs | and a good screen |
| 01:37.21 | raster | actually the screen is just fine |
| 01:37.37 | raster | i have one and its pretty much perfect |
| 01:37.39 | raster | sure |
| 01:37.45 | raster | neo';s dpi is higher |
| 01:37.48 | raster | but its insanely high |
| 01:37.52 | raster | its overkill |
| 01:37.55 | sebbs | i mean if you are in vi you would like that |
| 01:38.00 | raster | and i have much better than 20/20 vision |
| 01:38.01 | sebbs | so you see the rows |
| 01:38.09 | sebbs | how can you have better the n20/20 |
| 01:38.19 | sebbs | that is not logical since 20/20 is perfect |
| 01:38.22 | raster | 20/20 is "normal" |
| 01:38.22 | raster | no |
| 01:38.25 | raster | its "normal" |
| 01:38.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 01:38.31 | sebbs | define normal |
| 01:38.32 | raster | you can have better |
| 01:38.39 | sebbs | i can see really good upclose |
| 01:38.41 | sebbs | but not far |
| 01:38.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | I got 180% |
| 01:38.51 | raster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_acuity |
| 01:38.56 | sebbs | DocScrutinizer2: so what you can see fractals? |
| 01:39.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | :D |
| 01:39.12 | rooly | fractaled your mom |
| 01:39.37 | sebbs | raster: ok i see your point 20/20 is not perfect |
| 01:40.02 | raster | yes |
| 01:40.05 | raster | its "normal" |
| 01:40.06 | raster | :) |
| 01:40.32 | raster | those charts that test reading |
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| 01:40.36 | raster | i read all the way to the smallest |
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| 01:40.46 | raster | whihc is better than 20/20 |
| 01:40.55 | raster | i just dont know the "Value" of it |
| 01:40.55 | sebbs | good for you |
| 01:41.01 | raster | but its several steps beyond 20/20 |
| 01:41.04 | raster | but even for me |
| 01:41.06 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah, not really |
| 01:41.10 | raster | .. the vga screen is overkill |
| 01:41.10 | Spanska | are you talking about vision? |
| 01:41.13 | sebbs | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarDistribution#screenshots |
| 01:41.16 | sebbs | this looks good |
| 01:42.12 | quatrox|zZzzzZzz | I agree with raster |
| 01:42.18 | raster | it IS nice |
| 01:42.25 | raster | if u hold it close u can see the pixels |
| 01:42.35 | raster | i dont deny it having a really nice screen and dpi |
| 01:42.38 | sebbs | still it has no wifi |
| 01:42.40 | raster | but imho its "more than needed" |
| 01:42.43 | sebbs | if it ha dwifi i would have bought it |
| 01:42.52 | raster | the treo650 screen at a normal usage distance is just about right |
| 01:42.56 | raster | so about 186dpi |
| 01:43.03 | raster | yeah |
| 01:43.05 | rooly | its alot better than your standard clamshell or candy bar with what looks like > 320x240 |
| 01:43.08 | raster | if it had wifi it'd be cooler |
| 01:43.18 | raster | rooly: the treo650 or freerunner? |
| 01:43.23 | rooly | the fr |
| 01:44.13 | raster | oh sure |
| 01:44.14 | raster | absolutely |
| 01:44.21 | raster | sa lot of phones have qvga @ 2.8 or 3" |
| 01:44.24 | raster | and thats not good |
| 01:44.31 | raster | thats 120-140dpi |
| 01:44.58 | raster | but the 180 or so dpi of the treo is just about "right" |
| 01:45.27 | raster | its a comprimise between nice display rendering, speed and cost |
| 01:47.07 | sebbs | haha Battery control â Battery charging not supported |
| 01:47.17 | raster | where? |
| 01:47.19 | raster | treo650? |
| 01:47.23 | sebbs | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones |
| 01:47.27 | sebbs | "apache" |
| 01:47.30 | raster | aaah |
| 01:47.31 | raster | hehehe |
| 01:47.38 | sebbs | that one was damn near perfect for me |
| 01:47.58 | raster | newer phones have wifi |
| 01:48.02 | raster | but are much less likely to have support |
| 01:48.04 | sebbs | but i dont get it, so what i boot up to oe instead of normal? |
| 01:48.21 | sebbs | yes but this one has support for everything except battery charging support |
| 01:48.27 | sebbs | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCApache |
| 01:48.38 | raster | maybe u can help get it working? |
| 01:48.47 | sebbs | but hey |
| 01:48.54 | sebbs | ]tell me doe sthis have a boot loader |
| 01:48.59 | sebbs | is that how it works |
| 01:49.09 | sebbs | i can choose to boot into oe or into the native os? |
| 01:49.47 | sebbs | cos i could charge the phone in the native os, and use it normally. and then i could help them in getting it to work if i have the knowhow |
| 01:50.02 | raster | generay thats how u do it |
| 01:50.15 | raster | u end up with a dual-boot phone |
| 01:50.17 | sebbs | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Apache |
| 01:50.20 | raster | one into native shipped os |
| 01:50.21 | sebbs | this one is nice |
| 01:50.22 | raster | and one into linux |
| 01:50.34 | sebbs | thats perfect enought |
| 01:50.51 | raster | ho cdma |
| 01:50.52 | raster | not gsm |
| 01:51.05 | raster | so goes straight to my "sucks" list :) |
| 01:51.09 | sebbs | aw |
| 01:51.16 | sebbs | its a pda |
| 01:51.23 | sebbs | it looks like aphone |
| 01:51.44 | sebbs | no dude u sure? it even has the green and red button |
| 01:52.50 | sebbs | HTC PocketPC Phones |
| 01:53.43 | raster | cdma |
| 01:53.45 | raster | bleh |
| 01:53.59 | sebbs | cdma? |
| 01:54.51 | sebbs | oh cdma |
| 01:55.39 | raster | yes |
| 01:55.40 | raster | cdma |
| 01:55.42 | raster | ewwwww |
| 01:57.27 | sebbs | are there hp pdas with gsm modules? |
| 01:59.01 | sebbs | raster: http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2005/08/htc_apache_smar.html |
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| 02:00.17 | raster | no gsm available as yet |
| 02:00.52 | sebbs | raster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qtek_9000 |
| 02:01.01 | sebbs | that is the gsm model |
| 02:01.19 | sebbs | hm |
| 02:01.20 | sebbs | no |
| 02:01.21 | sebbs | haha |
| 02:01.32 | sebbs | or is it? |
| 02:01.52 | sebbs | crappy |
| 02:02.08 | Dave | :) |
| 02:02.10 | Dave | Hi raster |
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| 02:03.37 | swc|666 | htc universal = dogshit, but nice in form |
| 02:04.39 | sebbs | yes hardware was shait |
| 02:06.09 | swc|666 | i mean damn.. 64mb ram out of the box... no hostmode :s |
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| 02:07.56 | sebbs | swc|666: would you know about a pda+gsm (which will run apps like mutt) and be decent |
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| 02:09.04 | swc|666 | sebbs: whats wrong with the FR? |
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| 02:09.20 | sebbs | too long await for GTA03 |
| 02:09.33 | swc|666 | i hear u |
| 02:09.53 | sebbs | i need a phone fast |
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| 02:10.04 | sebbs | best would be after xmas when stuff gets cheap |
| 02:11.35 | swc|666 | sebbs: if u live in korea there is one |
| 02:12.00 | raster | Dave: doov! |
| 02:12.02 | swc|666 | http://gizmodo.com/371244/miu-hdpc-does-linux-and-windows-in-all+in+one-package |
| 02:12.28 | sebbs | haha damn |
| 02:12.28 | swc|666 | they dont anwer my emails tho :/ |
| 02:12.34 | swc|666 | 4gb ram |
| 02:12.37 | sebbs | wow |
| 02:12.49 | sebbs | how doesw it do linux |
| 02:12.49 | swc|666 | its sick |
| 02:12.54 | sebbs | can you install anything on it? |
| 02:12.59 | swc|666 | any which way i would assume |
| 02:13.17 | swc|666 | i dunno what the bios is like though |
| 02:13.26 | swc|666 | if it even has one |
| 02:13.36 | raster | hmm |
| 02:13.38 | sebbs | damn |
| 02:13.40 | raster | thats an .. interesting device |
| 02:13.42 | sebbs | that one is really sick |
| 02:13.52 | swc|666 | yep |
| 02:13.59 | sebbs | but the reported life is 7 hours at "high power" or an impressive 90 hours at low power settings. |
| 02:14.08 | sebbs | it says |
| 02:14.11 | swc|666 | but - i need to find a korean to call them... anyone here speak it? |
| 02:14.17 | sebbs | naw |
| 02:14.26 | sebbs | get me one too |
| 02:14.30 | raster | hashaah |
| 02:14.32 | swc|666 | ol |
| 02:14.33 | sebbs | wonder what it costs though |
| 02:14.35 | raster | i'll be in korea in jan |
| 02:14.36 | swc|666 | lol* |
| 02:14.40 | raster | i just was there a few weeks ago |
| 02:14.42 | sebbs | raster: yeah right |
| 02:14.44 | swc|666 | raster: really? |
| 02:14.55 | raster | yes |
| 02:14.59 | sebbs | what would the odds be |
| 02:15.44 | swc|666 | man wtf is going on ....:s -- this fscking pc = epic fail untarring a filesystem to sd |
| 02:15.53 | sebbs | $400 |
| 02:15.55 | sebbs | thats nothing |
| 02:16.16 | swc|666 | http://pastebin.ca/1275491 |
| 02:16.44 | swc|666 | meh... gotta throw the hd in another machine :s |
| 02:17.02 | sebbs | ugly as sh*t though |
| 02:17.05 | raster | thats possibly the smallest pc i've seen |
| 02:17.06 | raster | ie x86 |
| 02:17.14 | raster | but it is ugly |
| 02:17.19 | swc|666 | yep |
| 02:17.44 | raster | well smallest with kbd, screen and the lot |
| 02:18.18 | raster | but... |
| 02:18.20 | raster | i want a phone |
| 02:18.23 | raster | smaller |
| 02:18.30 | sebbs | i want a pda+gsm |
| 02:18.31 | raster | size of a treo650 |
| 02:18.35 | raster | but 1/2 the thickness |
| 02:18.36 | swc|666 | by the time the FR has good specs and a decent stack, x86_64 will be mainstream for mobile phones :s |
| 02:18.47 | sebbs | swc|666: u think? |
| 02:18.49 | sebbs | that chip is big |
| 02:19.04 | swc|666 | j/k |
| 02:19.26 | swc|666 | although amd has some interesting stuff in the works from what i hear |
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| 02:20.35 | sebbs | zaurus are nice |
| 02:20.38 | sebbs | but dont have gsm |
| 02:20.42 | sebbs | iirc |
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| 02:25.11 | Sargun_Screen | Are there any NPAs that start with 0? |
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| 02:26.51 | raster | swc|666: hell no |
| 02:26.57 | raster | x86 is a LONG way from phones |
| 02:26.58 | raster | long long |
| 02:27.10 | raster | there are orders of magnitude in power usage bwteen arm soc's and x86 |
| 02:27.11 | raster | even atm |
| 02:27.13 | raster | or via's stuff |
| 02:28.44 | swc|666 | i know i was joking |
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| 02:29.52 | raster | in fact there are chips pushing an order of magnitude below arm's usage |
| 02:29.56 | raster | like a factor of 10x |
| 02:30.10 | raster | not ready yet ... but getting there |
| 02:31.36 | swc|666 | not soon enough :s |
| 02:32.03 | raster | nothgni is ever soon enough |
| 02:32.08 | swc|666 | nods |
| 02:32.12 | sebbs | agrees |
| 02:32.18 | raster | if u coudkl u'd want a chip from 100 years in the future available now |
| 02:32.25 | raster | for no cost |
| 02:32.26 | raster | :) |
| 02:32.46 | rooly | or just a standard military-grade chip |
| 02:32.47 | swc|666 | lol |
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| 02:39.18 | sebbs | raster: where would i find a oe supported hardware list? |
| 02:39.40 | sebbs | hw6915 ;ppls good |
| 02:39.43 | sebbs | looks good |
| 02:44.37 | sebbs | hmm perhaps a HP |
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| 07:57.41 | methril | good morning |
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| 08:17.49 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:18.13 | beni | hi there |
| 08:19.15 | beni | i need to do a long business travel the next two weeks |
| 08:19.31 | beni | this is the ideal time to try out playing music |
| 08:19.48 | beni | so, can someone suggest a good stable music player app for my freerunner? |
| 08:21.19 | rooly|away | the qtopia music player works quite well |
| 08:21.34 | rooly|away | however, you may want to turn off suspend while using it |
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| 08:22.08 | beni | how can i install that one? |
| 08:22.17 | rooly|away | its in the repository |
| 08:22.35 | rooly|away | probably named something like "qtopia-x11-mediaplayer" or such |
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| 08:22.40 | rooly|away | are you using asu? |
| 08:23.40 | beni | yes |
| 08:24.00 | rooly|away | i believe its under miscellaneous in the installer |
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| 08:24.56 | beni | how is pythm? |
| 08:25.01 | beni | usabele already? |
| 08:25.28 | rooly|away | couldn't tell you. i don't use it |
| 08:26.17 | KenSentMe | Has anyone tried the new Android images from Sean McNeil? When i boot from the nand menu i get ERROR: Can't get kernel image |
| 08:26.50 | KenSentMe | And when i just startup the Neo i get 'openmoko' on my screen, but nothing else |
| 08:27.11 | rooly|away | KenSentMe, you'll need to use the old installer. uImage-tracking doesn't seem to boot correctly |
| 08:27.32 | rooly|away | /s/installer/kernel |
| 08:28.04 | KenSentMe | rooly|away, uImage-tracking isnt available anymore. I just used the uImage-Android on http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 08:28.20 | rooly|away | ic |
| 08:30.32 | KenSentMe | I will try om2008.8, to check if my phone is allright |
| 08:30.45 | rooly|away | your phone is phone |
| 08:30.47 | rooly|away | *fine |
| 08:31.37 | emilis_info | doh... my FR discharged during the night |
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| 08:37.44 | beni | hm, could it be, that in 2008.11 the screen still does not go dark after a while? |
| 08:37.53 | beni | or ist it just because i pluged it into usb? |
| 08:38.14 | rooly|away | i do believe latest asu updates keep the phone from going into standby while charging |
| 08:40.46 | emsyr | rooly|away: do you know what formats does qtopia media player support? |
| 08:41.01 | rooly|away | it for sure supports ogg and wav |
| 08:41.08 | beni | i dont want standby |
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| 08:41.15 | beni | i just want the screen go blank to save energy |
| 08:41.22 | emsyr | rooly|away: what about video? |
| 08:41.29 | beni | ie i want a black screen but be able to listen to music |
| 08:41.48 | rooly|away | don't know, emsyr. theora and mpeg4 i'd assume |
| 08:41.59 | emsyr | thanx |
| 08:42.21 | rooly|away | beni, you can get access to those settings if you install illume-config |
| 08:42.27 | emsyr | beni: I use illume-config to configure that |
| 08:42.31 | rooly|away | best to do it via terminal |
| 08:44.25 | beni | argh |
| 08:44.43 | beni | my raster keyboard is gone since update :( |
| 08:44.44 | raster | yay! |
| 08:44.52 | rooly|away | beni, restart x |
| 08:45.03 | rooly|away | /etc/init.d/x<tab> restart |
| 08:46.15 | KenSentMe | rooly|away, phone is fine indeed. Om2008.8 kernel boots |
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| 08:46.25 | rooly|away | i told you so |
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| 08:47.04 | beni | did not helped. I already had illume-config installed |
| 08:47.06 | KenSentMe | rooly|away, yeah mom ;) |
| 08:47.10 | beni | and also rasters keyboard |
| 08:47.17 | beni | without that, my FR is a cripple |
| 08:47.18 | beni | :( |
| 08:47.27 | rooly|away | did you restart x, beni? |
| 08:47.30 | beni | yes |
| 08:47.34 | rooly|away | ic |
| 08:47.45 | rooly|away | pull down your top menu |
| 08:47.55 | rooly|away | and tap the wrench in the corner |
| 08:48.02 | beni | the wrench is also gone. |
| 08:48.07 | rooly|away | ic |
| 08:48.12 | rooly|away | reboot the phone totally |
| 08:48.50 | beni | already did that too |
| 08:48.59 | beni | i upgraded from a stable 2008.9 to testing of today |
| 08:50.12 | rooly|away | i don't know what to tell you then |
| 08:50.24 | rooly|away | opkg install illume-config --force-reinstall |
| 08:50.45 | freqmod_qu | beni: i had also the problem with the wrench |
| 08:51.14 | freqmod_qu | if you go into /etc/enlightenment/default_profile (or something like that) and use the illume profile it will appear |
| 08:51.56 | freqmod_qu | it looks like they are moving to a new config system (and in the edje files for the asu theme it is comments telling that they want to hide it) |
| 08:51.56 | beni | okay |
| 08:52.33 | freqmod_qu | beni: the illume theme is full of bling and crashes a lot more, but at least the wrench and the keyboard works |
| 08:52.53 | beni | freqmod_qu: the keyboard is important |
| 08:53.03 | beni | without it, using the term is a huge pain |
| 08:53.06 | raster | freqmod_qu: its not the theme |
| 08:53.07 | freqmod_qu | know and agree |
| 08:53.09 | raster | its the software_16 engine |
| 08:53.14 | raster | use the software one |
| 08:53.18 | raster | (normal one not 16bit) |
| 08:53.21 | raster | its slower of course |
| 08:53.23 | raster | but higher quality |
| 08:53.25 | raster | and stable |
| 08:53.53 | freqmod_qu | raster: the illume theme uses that, and the asu doesnt? |
| 08:53.54 | beni | ok, cool. now i have the wrench etc back |
| 08:53.57 | beni | but |
| 08:54.03 | beni | the home app does not start |
| 08:54.06 | henk | software_16? what is that? a package? |
| 08:54.07 | beni | i have blank background |
| 08:54.09 | raster | theme doesnt determine engine |
| 08:54.11 | raster | config does |
| 08:54.24 | raster | look at e's config |
| 08:54.30 | freqmod_qu | profile illume etc? |
| 08:54.36 | raster | engine |
| 08:54.50 | raster | its there in the list |
| 08:54.57 | raster | depends how new your e is |
| 08:54.58 | freqmod_qu | but why does the wrench appear when i choose --profile illume and not --profile asu? |
| 08:55.02 | raster | it may be under advanced->engine |
| 08:55.19 | raster | freqmod_qu: it appears because the default config has the conf module loaded |
| 08:55.27 | freqmod_qu | raster: ahh, ok |
| 08:55.30 | raster | and enabled the conf gadget in the top-shelf area |
| 08:55.37 | raster | its a gadget that can be added/removed at will |
| 08:55.43 | raster | remove it is a bit like rm -rf / |
| 08:55.54 | raster | you delete the binaries u rely on to "fix" things |
| 08:56.22 | freqmod_qu | thougt you disabled it in the same way that the asu theme "disables"/hides the qwerty button |
| 08:56.30 | raster | it all stems from a difference of docus from me (upstream developer) and om's designers (who know nothing of the code, x or e) who insist that that config gagdte cant be there |
| 08:56.36 | raster | and i insist it should be |
| 08:56.47 | raster | for various reasons of upsteram development and usability |
| 08:56.49 | freqmod_qu | saw that in the code |
| 08:56.58 | raster | the way asu disabled it was a complete hack |
| 08:57.01 | raster | they didnt remove the gadget |
| 08:57.09 | raster | they simpyl made a theme where the icon was blank |
| 08:57.11 | raster | so u couldnt see it |
| 08:57.53 | beni | lol |
| 08:58.29 | beni | some dieas, why i dont hav ea "home" screen? |
| 08:58.50 | beni | sorry |
| 08:59.10 | beni | some ideas why i dont have a home screen after changing from "asu" to "illume" theme? |
| 08:59.47 | raster | ? |
| 08:59.49 | freqmod_qu | i had a similar problem when i copied and changed themes in hackish ways but i fixed it whith reinstalling all the enlightenment and illume packages |
| 09:00.15 | raster | u mean no icons for launching stuff? |
| 09:00.30 | raster | freqmod_qu: as such there are ways of doing things in the world of e |
| 09:00.32 | raster | they do change |
| 09:00.36 | raster | and we are cleaning up many things |
| 09:00.40 | beni | raster: exactly |
| 09:00.41 | beni | yes |
| 09:00.47 | raster | but in general there is a real "official" mechanism for many things |
| 09:00.56 | raster | if you go via that.. it will generally work and keep working |
| 09:01.00 | raster | if u hack around it |
| 09:01.06 | raster | u will maybe find things break.. often |
| 09:01.12 | raster | :) |
| 09:01.18 | raster | beni: dunno. works for me... |
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| 09:01.20 | raster | :) |
| 09:01.51 | beni | freqmod_qu: i wil try that |
| 09:02.06 | freqmod_qu | btw i am working at a keyboard and i need two windows at the side of the screen (and the apps in the centre). Do you have a tip for the least hackish way to do that? |
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| 09:03.49 | raster | hmm |
| 09:03.59 | nihil | hi anyone else getting bad crc error when trying to boot sean_mcneils uimage? |
| 09:03.59 | raster | e/illume doesnt support such a layout |
| 09:04.03 | raster | i know what u are trying to do |
| 09:04.16 | raster | keyboard in the world of illume sits at the bottom of the screen |
| 09:04.17 | raster | thats it |
| 09:04.21 | freqmod_qu | hehe |
| 09:04.23 | raster | there is no other option |
| 09:04.26 | raster | 1 window for kbd |
| 09:04.45 | freqmod_qu | which meens that i'll have to hack on illume itself, as i assumed. ok |
| 09:04.53 | raster | yes |
| 09:04.58 | raster | and that will be ugly to try do that |
| 09:05.08 | raster | as u need to really be invasive |
| 09:05.12 | raster | as the kbd code is rather hacky |
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| 09:05.19 | raster | i do want to move vkbd stuff out to a module of its own |
| 09:05.25 | raster | illume has too much stuff in just 1 module |
| 09:05.39 | raster | and i need to virtualise things like handling visible "app area" |
| 09:05.44 | raster | when kbd's and shelves eat up space |
| 09:05.44 | raster | etc. |
| 09:06.00 | vishal | hello has anyone used ublox agps service , can anyone tell me how to use it? |
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| 09:09.24 | beni | hm, now i have a new splas screen but still no app icons |
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| 09:10.29 | beni | now it works |
| 09:10.32 | beni | new appearance |
| 09:10.36 | beni | :( |
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| 09:11.38 | freqmod_qu | wants to fix the asu profile/theme thing to load the correct modules when he has revised for his maths exam for about 8 hours |
| 09:11.58 | raster | just use your own profile |
| 09:12.01 | raster | :) |
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| 09:18.03 | beni | yeah illume-config has a wallpaper changer now |
| 09:18.13 | beni | it crashes but at least its there :) |
| 09:20.09 | raster | use software enigne |
| 09:20.12 | raster | not software_16 |
| 09:20.15 | raster | it'll work then |
| 09:20.21 | raster | iuts not very usable |
| 09:20.22 | beni | yes but how to switch to that? |
| 09:20.24 | raster | as the ui doesnt fit |
| 09:20.28 | raster | thats on my to-fix list |
| 09:20.34 | raster | the engines config |
| 09:20.36 | raster | its there |
| 09:20.39 | raster | under advanced |
| 09:20.46 | raster | if they updated to a recent enough e |
| 09:20.52 | raster | or just engines if its the big long list |
| 09:21.00 | beni | ah found it+ |
| 09:21.18 | beni | its already at SOFTWARE_16 |
| 09:21.24 | henk | raster: isn't that one of those windows, that doesn't fit the screen? |
| 09:21.37 | raster | u want SOFTWARe |
| 09:21.40 | raster | not SOFTWARE_16 |
| 09:22.04 | raster | henk: the wallpaper changer? |
| 09:22.31 | henk | raster: no the window you mentioned where to change the engine? or am i confused? |
| 09:22.38 | raster | it fits |
| 09:22.45 | raster | its small |
| 09:22.48 | beni | ah ok |
| 09:22.59 | beni | i will use that then if illume recovered |
| 09:23.02 | beni | (crashed) |
| 09:23.23 | raster | illume's upstream config uses the normal software engine |
| 09:23.24 | henk | raster: hm, i'll have to take a look at it tonight. don't have my FR with me :-/ thanks! |
| 09:23.27 | raster | software_16 is known to have bugs |
| 09:23.35 | raster | it works only for a subset of evas's rendering |
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| 09:37.01 | emsyr | Has anyone tried to import contacts from Evolution to Qtopia? |
| 09:37.53 | freqmod_qu | did import from kontact, but points to the wiki page on importing contacts to qtopia |
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| 09:39.35 | raster | hmm |
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| 09:39.50 | raster | why dont things just use vcard and "mbox" formats for stuff |
| 09:39.52 | raster | nice and simple |
| 09:39.54 | raster | and work |
| 09:40.04 | raster | and easy to import/export and otherwise share |
| 09:40.07 | emsyr | Using the instructions from wiki does a part of the job |
| 09:40.24 | emsyr | some fileds are not imported |
| 09:40.50 | emsyr | such as phone nums, home address... |
| 09:40.53 | henk | raster: standards are nice! everyone should have one. |
| 09:41.16 | emsyr | any idea? |
| 09:41.23 | raster | henk: yes. |
| 09:41.24 | freqmod_qu | emsyr: see if there is a qtopia channel, they'll probably know better there |
| 09:41.30 | raster | well i'm using vcard and mbox format |
| 09:41.36 | raster | vcard for contacts |
| 09:41.44 | raster | and simple 1 message in a file mbox for sms's |
| 09:42.01 | raster | that should pretty much obviate any need to ever import/export |
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| 09:42.12 | raster | "just take the files and... use them!" |
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| 09:42.26 | raster | just need to make my vcard parser.... |
| 09:43.02 | henk | raster: what is it you do for the FR? write software? (sorry if it's a stupid question) |
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| 09:43.21 | Sargun | Are there any good tutorials on writing GUI-based Apps for FSO? |
| 09:43.26 | raster | i write a few things |
| 09:43.29 | emsyr | Evolution exports vcards with some proprietary fields. |
| 09:43.46 | raster | e, illume efl, elementary, doing an sms app that will work with fso at the moment |
| 09:43.54 | raster | and for that i neewd 1. a way to store and load sms's to/from disk |
| 09:44.08 | raster | and well.. i need contacts to match numebrs to to display photo/name from an sms |
| 09:44.21 | raster | so - i'm just writing all the code to handle that |
| 09:44.41 | henk | raster: ah ok... |
| 09:45.02 | Daramarak | raster: A good sms application is really needed. |
| 09:45.20 | raster | Daramarak: working on it |
| 09:45.26 | raster | at least its really pretty |
| 09:45.29 | henk | 'sigh' some day i'll have enough free time to help with developement too, i hope :-/ |
| 09:45.32 | raster | i'm doing it in a conversations-format |
| 09:45.36 | raster | a lot like irc |
| 09:45.39 | raster | or an instant messenger |
| 09:45.46 | raster | where everything you said and others said to you |
| 09:45.49 | raster | (sms'd) |
| 09:45.56 | raster | is listed in a big scrollable list |
| 09:46.03 | freqmod_qu | i want a phonebook with a tree or at least categories that can be read from vcal |
| 09:46.07 | raster | well actually only the most recent N items will probably be there |
| 09:46.21 | raster | and older will be available in archive lists |
| 09:46.41 | raster | i will priobably look at doing a full dialler next |
| 09:46.44 | raster | then a contacts app |
| 09:46.45 | freqmod_qu | quassel fixes that in a nice way. it loads the backlog when you scroll to it |
| 09:46.45 | henk | raster: i love the idea, since i use sms mainly for talking to my GF during worktime 'g' and thats very similar to IM... |
| 09:46.53 | raster | and thats about as far as i intend to go |
| 09:47.01 | Daramarak | raster: Planned any option to filter on a single contact or group? |
| 09:47.10 | raster | otherwise keep wroking on illume, the keyboard, e, launcher, config tools for e and the system in general |
| 09:47.16 | raster | and improvign thsoe core phone apps |
| 09:47.19 | raster | and the widget set behind them |
| 09:47.25 | Daramarak | raster: :) I am experiencing the same thing. |
| 09:47.31 | raster | Daramarak: yes. filter already planned |
| 09:47.32 | raster | hel |
| 09:47.53 | raster | theres already a "filter" option in the options list for each message |
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| 09:48.12 | raster | it'll let u filter "messahges ONLY from this person" |
| 09:48.20 | raster | or "only conversations WITH this person" |
| 09:48.21 | henk | ah, right, you are the keyboard-guy... now i remember. i like qwo more though ;) |
| 09:48.25 | raster | which is all messages u sent to them |
| 09:48.27 | raster | and they sent to u |
| 09:48.30 | raster | ordered by time |
| 09:48.35 | Daramarak | raster: Stop chatting and get coding :) It sounds great! |
| 09:48.39 | raster | so basically your "sent messages" |
| 09:48.48 | raster | is just "filter all messages from this person" |
| 09:48.49 | raster | ie - you |
| 09:49.04 | raster | but my main focus is the widget set behind it |
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| 09:49.16 | raster | this is mroe just a test app to drive it |
| 09:49.19 | raster | so i'm keeping it simple |
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| 09:49.38 | raster | if others wish to carry the flame on and make it do more after i get it up on its "i do sms ok now" legs |
| 09:49.41 | raster | i'm all for it |
| 09:50.03 | Daramarak | great |
| 09:50.04 | raster | but for me it' all about using very standard on-disk formats for the data |
| 09:50.12 | raster | if there is something that irks me for so many phoens and apps |
| 09:50.13 | Daramarak | What language? |
| 09:50.28 | raster | its not being able to easily share contacts and messages between other apps |
| 09:50.30 | raster | like my desktop |
| 09:50.35 | raster | if i use vcard and mbox format |
| 09:50.39 | raster | it is trivial to share |
| 09:50.45 | raster | it's in c |
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| 09:51.41 | Daramarak | Good, then I can change it to fit my needs :) (Although the transition between C and C++ boggles my head sometimes) |
| 09:51.59 | raster | hehehe |
| 09:52.03 | raster | thats the idea |
| 09:52.06 | raster | i want to keep it small and simple |
| 09:52.09 | raster | then its easy to hack |
| 09:52.19 | raster | i just want it doing sms decently |
| 09:52.24 | raster | with a ui paradigm that doesnt totally suck |
| 09:52.29 | Daramarak | Yeah, simple but not sloppy. |
| 09:52.42 | raster | i know it wont have a bazillion options and features |
| 09:52.48 | raster | i dont have time ot do it |
| 09:53.07 | raster | but i have time to do all the core nuts and bolts to make sure the widgetset/toolkit is working and usable for such tasks |
| 09:53.17 | raster | i might also move some stuff into the toolkit |
| 09:53.25 | raster | like vcard parsing and writing |
| 09:53.35 | raster | so the widget set may natively know about your contacts and messages |
| 09:53.38 | dent | I was thinking... wouldn't it be nice if the UI gave more visual feedback if a button is pressed? Currently (in e), not much changes if I press a button (only the edge) |
| 09:53.41 | raster | tho not sure that belongs in the toolkit |
| 09:53.43 | raster | maybe a helper lib |
| 09:53.52 | dent | so I'm not always sure I actually pressed what I intended to |
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| 09:54.06 | raster | dent: i really need to make the touchsrceen make tap noises |
| 09:54.14 | henk | .oO( if i only knew c :-/ ) |
| 09:54.22 | raster | then u'd know |
| 09:54.23 | raster | u hear it |
| 09:54.31 | dent | hm, yeah |
| 09:54.37 | raster | but now buttons in he get a white "Glow" around the inner edge of the black button |
| 09:55.03 | raster | the theme could do more |
| 09:55.05 | dent | yeah, just it seems to me it's easy tomiss the glow |
| 09:55.07 | raster | but i'm staying conservative for now |
| 09:55.12 | dent | ok :) |
| 09:55.32 | raster | i could have some pulsating wave that flies out from the button |
| 09:55.40 | raster | but cant work on everything at once |
| 09:55.43 | raster | once thing at a time |
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| 09:56.04 | dent | nah, I didn't mean to complain |
| 09:56.14 | Daramarak | "Make it work, make it fast, make it pretty" But stick to the order. |
| 09:57.17 | dent | btw. the alarm app in SHR, with the "flipping" numbers is cool :) |
| 09:57.28 | dent | or, more precisely, the numbers are wow :) |
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| 10:06.32 | Daramarak | I am wondering if I should try once again on fso+shr, are the new ms4.1 image so stable that I can make calls, send/receive sms and suspend/resume reliably? |
| 10:06.41 | raster | dent: no worries |
| 10:07.33 | raster | dent: that is the new widget set (elementary) that i am using the sms app to drive |
| 10:07.39 | raster | dent: and the sms app is even nicer |
| 10:07.40 | raster | :) |
| 10:07.54 | dent | Daramarak: I'm using it as my main phone, sometimes it hurts, but it's mostly ok :) |
| 10:07.55 | raster | all messages are in speech bubbles |
| 10:08.06 | raster | menus slide out and pop up nicely |
| 10:08.10 | dent | :) |
| 10:08.25 | Daramarak | dent: What is the "hurting" ? |
| 10:08.44 | dent | btw. you're the 'e' guy, right? were you behind E even in the late 90s, i.e. is that your 'child'? |
| 10:08.48 | dent | raster: ^ |
| 10:09.05 | raster | yes |
| 10:09.06 | dent | Daramarak: for one thing, the default sounds are annoying :) but that's easily changed |
| 10:09.07 | raster | my baby |
| 10:09.08 | raster | :) |
| 10:09.19 | dent | raster: wow :) |
| 10:09.21 | Tm_T | raster: sorry to hear that |
| 10:09.32 | raster | Tm_T: :-P~ |
| 10:09.37 | Tm_T | raster: (;) |
| 10:10.41 | dent | I remember back in the 90s, how e was all eye-candy, I almost had an orgasm just from that =)) using top to see how incedibly much ram can X take :) |
| 10:11.12 | Tm_T | dent: all 16 MiB ? |
| 10:11.37 | dent | even more :) I don't remember how much I had back then |
| 10:11.41 | Tm_T | heh |
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| 10:11.52 | Tm_T | I still use WfW 3.11 in my laptop |
| 10:11.55 | dent | but from current point of view... I don't know how was it possible to even start X back then :) |
| 10:12.52 | raster | i developed e on a p120 with 32m ram |
| 10:12.56 | raster | so it wasnt that heavy |
| 10:12.58 | Tm_T | but atleast it's Digital (DEC) <3 |
| 10:13.04 | raster | i think it was just a matter of the craptastic x drivers |
| 10:13.11 | raster | on a good x it works well |
| 10:13.20 | raster | in those days s3's ruled |
| 10:13.27 | raster | i ad a s3 968 with 2m vram |
| 10:13.37 | raster | that was relatively top-of-the-line |
| 10:13.42 | raster | and well supported in xf86 |
| 10:15.43 | dent | it did work, but it exercised the x server way more than... what the hell was it that I was using also :) |
| 10:16.00 | Tm_T | dent: KDE? |
| 10:16.02 | Tm_T | hides |
| 10:16.11 | dent | nah, maybe ome early gnome, or just window maker |
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| 10:20.53 | raster | wmaker and e have almost the same vintage |
| 10:20.58 | raster | e defintiely pushed x more |
| 10:21.04 | raster | kde is a little older than e |
| 10:21.12 | raster | but it definitelyt didnt even try push much |
| 10:22.47 | raster | kde always struck me as ugly |
| 10:22.54 | raster | its improved markedly in recent years |
| 10:22.59 | raster | but still.. just doesnt gel with me |
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| 10:33.52 | henk | oh? e is based on fvwm? |
| 10:35.43 | henk | i wonder how well fvwm would work on a FR... i just love fvwm :) |
| 10:35.56 | lindi- | henk: should work well since icewm does |
| 10:35.57 | Hire | someone has tested Qi on FR? |
| 10:36.44 | henk | lindi-: but it's probably not available as a [oi]pk, right? is it in debian? |
| 10:37.01 | henk | lindi-: is it in debian on armel that is. i know it is in debian for x86... |
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| 10:42.08 | raster | henk: k e based on fvwm?> ahhahahahahahhaha |
| 10:42.18 | lindi- | henk: debian armel has 90% of the packages that debian x86 has |
| 10:42.36 | lindi- | henk: so yes, sure it is available: * sid_(unstable) (x11): F(?) Virtual Window Manager 1:2.5.26-1: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc |
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| 10:44.56 | henk | raster: no? according to WP it was a hack of fvwm. |
| 10:45.09 | raster | wp? |
| 10:45.14 | henk | raster: wikipedia |
| 10:45.34 | raster | wp is about as accurate as bush is on how to keep world peace |
| 10:45.41 | oon | :) |
| 10:45.46 | sleipnir | lol |
| 10:45.46 | henk | lindi-: good, thanks :) |
| 10:45.58 | raster | it is no such thing |
| 10:46.01 | henk | raster: hehe, good point... |
| 10:46.08 | raster | e is the size of a small african nation - when it comes to wm's |
| 10:46.19 | raster | and it has nothing to do with fvwm |
| 10:46.31 | raster | in fact e17 is e's 2nd rewrite |
| 10:46.35 | raster | i first started working on fvmw |
| 10:46.38 | raster | did fvwm-xpm |
| 10:47.00 | raster | but then decided long before E 0.1 (DR 0.1) that fvmw wanst going to cut it |
| 10:47.06 | raster | as it just didnt have the infra |
| 10:47.10 | raster | so i wrote e from scratch |
| 10:47.23 | raster | DR 0.14 was a rewrite |
| 10:47.29 | raster | so Fr 0.1 -> 0.13 was the same codebase |
| 10:47.36 | raster | 0.14->0.16 the same |
| 10:47.37 | dent | henk: I don't see it in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(window_manager) |
| 10:47.40 | raster | and 0.17 is a complete redo |
| 10:48.06 | henk | raster: ah ok, then the german WP-version of the E-article is a bit unclear in the formulation of that. |
| 10:48.15 | henk | dent: german ;) |
| 10:48.19 | dent | ach so! :) |
| 10:48.21 | raster | e17 as a wm alone (not including the libs specifically writtne just for it) is 180k lines of code |
| 10:48.30 | raster | last i checked fvwm was about 11k |
| 10:48.57 | henk | raster: fvwm including all its modules? |
| 10:49.11 | raster | can't remember |
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| 10:49.43 | henk | doesn't matter anyway. such numbers don't really tell much... |
| 10:50.11 | raster | the libs written for e17 is about 330k lines of c |
| 10:50.17 | henk | but i gotta tell my GF i talked to E's author 'g' she loved that wm! |
| 10:50.26 | raster | so as such if u compare apples with apples |
| 10:50.32 | dent | henk :) |
| 10:50.33 | raster | take fvm and all its modules |
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| 10:50.38 | raster | and take e+ all its libs |
| 10:51.02 | dent | henk: try to get her an autograph too :) |
| 10:51.03 | raster | i suspect vwm with its modules is probably 20k |
| 10:51.09 | raster | so 20k vs 500k |
| 10:51.11 | henk | dent: lol |
| 10:51.13 | raster | it doesnt mean e is better |
| 10:51.21 | raster | it shwos u how little theyare related |
| 10:51.21 | raster | :) |
| 10:51.41 | raster | e is phat |
| 10:52.10 | faltantornillos | Hi. What's the right command for locking the screen? pls |
| 10:52.24 | dent | raster: could you sign that blank piece of paper for us? (we fill in the account numbers later) j/k :)) |
| 10:53.05 | raster | hahahaha |
| 10:53.15 | henk | raster: hehe, nevertheless it's performing amazingly well considering all the eye candy and effects! |
| 10:53.30 | raster | it can be better |
| 10:53.37 | raster | i know of optimisations that can be done |
| 10:53.39 | raster | lots and lots |
| 10:53.46 | raster | just no time to do them atm |
| 10:53.47 | henk | raster: i just wished e17 would have been finished some years earlier. it'd have stolen compiz/beryl/whatever's show :) |
| 10:53.52 | Sargun | holy shit, my free runner does ipv6. |
| 10:54.03 | raster | henk: k to be honest - i wouldnmt want to |
| 10:54.11 | raster | the gl rendering is hell on earth |
| 10:54.21 | raster | its buggy and dicey depending on your driver, card etc. |
| 10:54.26 | raster | its pretty horrid to deal with |
| 10:55.22 | raster | also if e had gone that way u'd never see it on a phone today |
| 10:55.24 | raster | or pda |
| 10:55.26 | raster | etc. |
| 10:57.00 | henk | raster: no no, i wasn't talking about that whole compositing shit. the desktop effects in e16 were already pretty nice and very fluid. i mean those 'standard' effects that e does without compositing... |
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| 10:57.31 | raster | they were nastyt hacks |
| 10:57.32 | raster | nasty |
| 10:57.44 | raster | e17 is the infra to avoid nasty hacks in the future |
| 10:57.53 | raster | and do things right so u dont need to do such ugliness |
| 10:58.14 | henk | raster: oh ok, so not so many nice effects as in e16? |
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| 10:58.54 | raster | henk: different ones |
| 10:59.08 | raster | henk: ripple isnt there but got flames, snow, rain. |
| 10:59.13 | raster | dropshadows |
| 11:00.13 | henk | raster: i think i have seen those effects when i tried the unstable builds from some apt-repository for e... haven't really used e16, just know it from my GF a litte... |
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| 11:02.03 | raster | e17 is infinitely beyond e16 in terms of rendering infra |
| 11:02.10 | raster | theme engine and so on |
| 11:02.24 | raster | its pretty much bleeding edge for theme stuff irrespective of the platform, wm or toolkit |
| 11:02.34 | raster | and its very much designed to expand |
| 11:03.39 | henk | raster: forgive the irony please: it _is_ or it _was_? e17 is in developement for about half a decade now without one release isn't it? |
| 11:03.50 | raster | is |
| 11:04.03 | raster | anmd u obviously havent looked at the snapshots we do |
| 11:04.08 | raster | like go e17 as wine1.0 |
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| 11:04.12 | raster | there is a goal |
| 11:04.17 | raster | and we work to it |
| 11:04.26 | raster | we dont release just because some date ticked around |
| 11:04.30 | raster | or users get antsy |
| 11:04.36 | raster | all code is available in svn always |
| 11:04.55 | henk | i like that philosophy. in debian as well. |
| 11:05.05 | raster | and is pretty much always usable and runs without many problems (i use e17 every day as do 1000's of users - they just build from svn) |
| 11:05.13 | raster | so if u want ti |
| 11:05.15 | raster | its available |
| 11:05.18 | raster | we dont PUSH it on you |
| 11:05.22 | raster | you puill it when u like |
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| 11:05.49 | raster | but e17 is like a point when we say "this is wquality stuff u can rely on and we will support this with upgrade paths and so on" |
| 11:05.58 | raster | until then we save the effort of support and focus on getting stuff done |
| 11:06.30 | henk | hmm... but building from svn takes time and energy.. i'll have to look for a debian repository later. |
| 11:08.31 | raster | have u tried easy_e17.sh |
| 11:08.34 | raster | or get_e.sh? |
| 11:08.40 | raster | they just fetch and build for u |
| 11:08.43 | raster | get_e.sh i wrote |
| 11:08.52 | raster | it supports ubuntu and installs build dependencies for u |
| 11:08.58 | igor321 | raster: will there ever be e packages for some major distros? i'm loving python-efl but it was hell installing it |
| 11:08.59 | raster | and just churns and builds and installs |
| 11:09.01 | henk | raster: brrr ubuntu... ;) |
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| 11:09.05 | raster | nothng much left to do than let it run |
| 11:09.17 | raster | igor321: already for fedora-core |
| 11:09.21 | raster | and in testing for debian |
| 11:09.29 | raster | as for hell |
| 11:09.34 | raster | should just use the scripts |
| 11:09.37 | raster | its easy to install |
| 11:09.45 | raster | tho python-efl is apita |
| 11:09.51 | raster | the normal core libs and e is easy |
| 11:09.55 | igor321 | i did use the easy_17 scripts, most of my problems were with the bindings |
| 11:09.58 | henk | raster: does it build a .deb? e17 is in debian testing? under what name? |
| 11:09.59 | raster | its well defined and a well trodden path |
| 11:10.17 | raster | henk: oh sorry - in experimental not testing |
| 11:10.17 | lindi- | henk: show-package-versions e17 |
| 11:10.19 | igor321 | and the debian packages are broken, dunno about fedora |
| 11:10.26 | lindi- | henk: **** Package e17 **** * experimental (x11): The Enlightenment DR17 Window Manager 0.16.999.050-1: alpha amd64 hppa i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc 0.16.999.043-1: ia64 |
| 11:10.29 | raster | and no the scxritps dont build .debs |
| 11:10.30 | henk | raster: ah ok... |
| 11:10.35 | raster | they just build and install as per defaults |
| 11:10.42 | raster | ie exactly the way i do |
| 11:10.48 | raster | and i do my dev on ubuntu |
| 11:10.53 | henk | lindi-: i'd have needed experimental sources which i don't have on my server ;) |
| 11:11.11 | lindi- | henk: show-package-versions is one-liner that uses lynx to talk to packages.debian.org |
| 11:11.19 | lindi- | henk: no sources necessary |
| 11:11.21 | henk | raster: how about uninstalling? |
| 11:11.35 | raster | if u are smart |
| 11:11.44 | raster | use prefix of /opt/e17 |
| 11:11.48 | raster | and then rm -rf /opt/e17 |
| 11:11.50 | raster | :) |
| 11:12.07 | raster | e will dutifully stay within its prefix |
| 11:12.14 | henk | raster: ah software that installs cleanly! very nice! :) |
| 11:12.21 | raster | or.. u can use make uninstall |
| 11:12.23 | raster | it should work |
| 11:12.30 | raster | if u find it leaves stuff - let us know |
| 11:12.34 | raster | it MAY leave directories |
| 11:12.37 | raster | but defintiely no files |
| 11:12.39 | henk | even that :) most software doesn't provide that. |
| 11:12.40 | raster | or shouldnt |
| 11:12.49 | raster | as far as build goes its consistent and clean |
| 11:12.55 | henk | lindi-: oh, never seen, never heard, never tasted. where can i get it? |
| 11:13.00 | raster | which is why i always am baffled by the need for packages |
| 11:13.01 | raster | :) |
| 11:13.05 | lindi- | henk: http://iki.fi/lindi/show-package-versions |
| 11:13.17 | lindi- | henk: it just seems people are lazy to browse packages.debian.org manually :) |
| 11:13.24 | raster | we have made a lot of effort in making the src build and install good and clean |
| 11:13.30 | raster | thats what u get when u are in development for years |
| 11:13.36 | raster | your dev env ends up pristinely good |
| 11:13.50 | henk | lindi-: too true, i notice that a lot in #debian.de... |
| 11:15.02 | henk | raster: afaihh the mac uses a similar concept for software. just put it in a folder and it works. doesn't put stuff anywhere on the system you won't find later when you want to remove it. just delete the folder... |
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| 11:16.21 | lindi- | henk: and track the dependencies :) |
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| 11:17.20 | henk | lindi-: hu? 'confused' what do you mean? |
| 11:17.44 | lindi- | henk: if you remove /opt/libfoo you might see /opt/libbar failing since it happened to depend on libfoo |
| 11:18.03 | raster | henk: thats e. in fact.. u can compile with --prefix=/some/dir/whatever |
| 11:18.08 | raster | ALL u need to do is move that dor |
| 11:18.09 | raster | ie |
| 11:18.20 | raster | mv /some/dir/whatever /opt/software/e |
| 11:18.22 | raster | or whetever |
| 11:18.25 | raster | and it will keep working |
| 11:18.33 | raster | all libs and binaries should "just work" |
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| 11:18.42 | raster | as they dynamically discover their prefixes |
| 11:18.55 | raster | and adjust accordingly for finding modules, data files etc. |
| 11:19.30 | F4t | hey all, does anyone know what system is this? http://review.source.android.com/3081 (i mean the whole web system, is it google's or some open project management tool?) |
| 11:20.01 | lindi- | F4t: "This is Gerrit v1.0-121-g9346173" |
| 11:20.46 | F4t | Thanks! |
| 11:21.02 | F4t | demn... didnt notice... |
| 11:21.50 | Ainulindale | polz: opkg update please |
| 11:22.03 | Ainulindale | (didn't eat, queue was too long) |
| 11:22.34 | F4t | it seems it is google's project... and not some 3rd party... |
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| 11:45.55 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Highlights: |
| 11:45.55 | CIA-20 | openmoko: - waves can now be labeled (labels are stored when saving and can be displayed |
| 11:45.55 | CIA-20 | openmoko: in dxplore) |
| 11:45.55 | CIA-20 | openmoko: - a user-defined origin in dxplore is now marked with a red triangle |
| 11:45.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Details: |
| 11:46.01 | CIA-20 | openmoko: - lib/wave.py: waves now have an attribute "label" containing their name |
| 11:47.37 | henk | raster: couldn't you make some sort of software management system out of that ;) |
| 11:47.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03werner * r4846 10/developers/werner/wlan-resume/vds.py: Use labels. Awkward descriptions, goodbye :-) |
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| 11:47.57 | raster | ? |
| 11:48.07 | henk | lindi-: yes, of course... that sucks a bit... |
| 11:48.27 | henk | raster: so everything 'just works' and discovers where it can find what it needs by itself... |
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| 11:49.23 | Daramarak | Are there c++ opkg packages? |
| 11:50.20 | raster | henk: ummmm not it only finds its own location |
| 11:50.31 | raster | once it knows where it lives it assumes u have everything moved along with it |
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| 11:50.43 | raster | its simply the same logic autopackage uses |
| 11:50.50 | raster | to allow for relocatable apps/packages |
| 11:51.00 | raster | but slightly extended with more evilness to make ti a bit more robust |
| 11:51.06 | raster | anbd more platform-independent |
| 11:53.17 | igor321 | efl's really great, i'm writing an youtube in it in my spare time |
| 11:53.24 | igor321 | *youtube app |
| 11:53.33 | igor321 | too bad the glamo sucks balls |
| 11:53.45 | igor321 | but with the new kernel it's not so bad |
| 11:53.53 | igor321 | i get something like 10 fps scrolling |
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| 12:01.00 | beni | any idea, how i can change the analog clock in the shelf to a digital one? |
| 12:01.13 | beni | i think the analog one is hard to read |
| 12:01.18 | beni | especially in smaller shelfes |
| 12:02.00 | ethy__ | i'm triying to install android in my freerunner |
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| 12:02.55 | ethy__ | i've downloaded android image but it has jffs2 format |
| 12:03.35 | igor321 | yes, the correct format |
| 12:03.38 | ethy__ | anyone know how mount this image to copy contents to micro-sd? |
| 12:03.59 | igor321 | i don't think you can run android from usd for now |
| 12:04.06 | ethy__ | ohh |
| 12:04.07 | igor321 | but i might be mistaken |
| 12:04.14 | ethy__ | ok, thanks |
| 12:05.07 | pieterc | nope, you can't run android from usd |
| 12:05.10 | ethy__ | i don't want to flash freerunner memory, i'm newbie with freeruner |
| 12:05.19 | pieterc | since android needs the microsd to put files on |
| 12:05.40 | pieterc | therefore you need a ext3 partition on your usd |
| 12:05.40 | pieterc | ;) |
| 12:05.42 | ethy__ | ok, then i'll try to flash freerunner |
| 12:05.52 | pieterc | don't forget to partition your usd! |
| 12:05.54 | ethy__ | yeah, i have a ext3 partition |
| 12:06.04 | pieterc | you should have 2 partitions |
| 12:06.09 | pieterc | or more |
| 12:06.11 | pieterc | i guess |
| 12:06.29 | ethy__ | i have 8mb fat and ext3 partitions |
| 12:06.35 | pieterc | ok |
| 12:06.38 | pieterc | that's ok :) |
| 12:06.41 | pieterc | g2g now |
| 12:06.42 | pieterc | bye |
| 12:08.36 | dent | beni: rm -r ~/.e did the trick for me, although there must be a less invasive way too :) |
| 12:08.55 | dent | bit if you are not gonna mis your old .e config, then this is simple enough :) |
| 12:08.59 | dent | s/bit/but/ |
| 12:09.08 | dent | loves apt :) |
| 12:09.32 | beni | well |
| 12:09.32 | henk | i wonder how intelligent apt is though... what will it do if i say that now: |
| 12:09.33 | beni | hm |
| 12:09.36 | henk | s/i/o/ |
| 12:09.41 | henk | s/i/o/g |
| 12:10.20 | henk | oh this is fun :) |
| 12:10.26 | beni | dent: well, hm i think i will miss it |
| 12:10.38 | beni | but if it has to do with the .e folder, i maybe find out |
| 12:11.54 | dent | henk: stop abusing apt :) |
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| 12:12.54 | henk | :( |
| 12:13.48 | CM_work | ~comfort henk |
| 12:13.49 | apt | There, there, henk. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:13.54 | CM_work | :D |
| 12:14.57 | henk | ah... apt can be so comforting :) i wonder what rpm would have done 'g' |
| 12:15.13 | beni | ~praise beni |
| 12:15.13 | apt | All hail beni! |
| 12:15.17 | beni | :) |
| 12:15.23 | beni | henk: you are right |
| 12:15.42 | beni | ~eat pizza |
| 12:15.43 | apt | That's too disgusting. |
| 12:15.46 | beni | hehehehe |
| 12:16.06 | beni | ~blame glamo |
| 12:16.07 | apt | ACTION blames glamo (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 12:24.46 | beni | dent: well, all below .e is binary |
| 12:24.55 | beni | dent: and removing it solves nothing |
| 12:25.17 | beni | ~praise raster |
| 12:25.18 | apt | All hail raster! |
| 12:25.30 | beni | please, god of illume, help! |
| 12:26.56 | dent | beni: hm :-( it somehow worked for me, although no idea how |
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| 12:35.48 | ethy__ | i'm flashing android to freerunner |
| 12:35.50 | ethy__ | .. |
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| 12:44.11 | ethy__ | fail, freerunner is frozen in start screen |
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| 12:44.33 | KenSentMe | ethy__, same problem here. Havent found out how to fix it |
| 12:46.38 | beni | raster: ping |
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| 12:55.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re92958018fc7 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): coreutils: Build and package df of coreutils |
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| 13:05.01 | beni | arg, again suspend dead. |
| 13:07.47 | beni | thought that that was fixed already |
| 13:13.16 | beni | why do ppl like eyecandy more than working stuff? |
| 13:13.30 | madwoota | oooo, shiny! |
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| 13:19.36 | beni | well, tangogps also hangs here now. |
| 13:20.06 | beni | hm, ssh hangs also |
| 13:20.41 | metalx2000 | Hello, I just got my free runner yesterday, and I just now flashed it to the 2008.9 OS. But after a minute or so the screen Dimed. |
| 13:20.50 | beni | ok, ssh hangs because i didn't plug the cord in |
| 13:20.53 | metalx2000 | I can still kinda see the menu options |
| 13:20.54 | beni | ~blame beni |
| 13:20.54 | apt | ACTION blames beni (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 13:21.11 | metalx2000 | but since I just install it I don't even no how to reboot it |
| 13:21.14 | beni | shame on me |
| 13:21.44 | metalx2000 | I can see the Brightness button. but when I press it nothing happens |
| 13:21.55 | beni | metalx2000: you cant activate an ? |
| 13:22.20 | beni | app? |
| 13:22.58 | metalx2000 | I can barely see the screen. but I can click on items |
| 13:23.24 | metalx2000 | but I just upgraded so I don't know my way around yet. |
| 13:23.41 | beni | yours dims mine not |
| 13:23.49 | beni | ~blame dimming |
| 13:23.50 | apt | ACTION blames dimming (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 13:24.05 | metalx2000 | ok? |
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| 13:30.30 | janrikard | im trying to flash my openmoko for the first time, but i get an error that dfu-util finds more than one device that it can program, and dfu-util tells me to remove the "other" device |
| 13:30.30 | janrikard | when i do dfu-util --list without the moko connected i get the folloing |
| 13:30.30 | janrikard | Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8126] devnum=3, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 13:30.30 | janrikard | how do i find out what that is so i can remove it? |
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| 13:32.35 | SpeedEvil | finds another system he wants OM on. |
| 13:32.38 | SpeedEvil | Dec 4 13:31:28 coco kernel: usb 1-1.1: Product: LILLIPUT S3C2410A SPQ SYSTEM |
| 13:32.47 | SpeedEvil | My new scope! |
| 13:33.11 | janrikard | or is it possible to use the --device vendor:product ? |
| 13:34.09 | janrikard | it seems that its possible |
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| 13:41.22 | beni | well, tangogps hangs after laoding the first map tiles saying no gps found |
| 13:41.35 | beni | in faxct it logs that connection to gpsd was successful |
| 13:41.42 | beni | it says "** cb_gps_timer()" periodically now. |
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| 14:09.28 | edje2 | hi all, i took the bold step to update with the help of http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/036694.html. now it does not start into a graphical environment |
| 14:10.00 | edje2 | do i need to update the kernel as well? if so, where do i find the new kernel? |
| 14:12.17 | ethy__ | installing android, second try |
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| 14:16.06 | edje2 | well, i have to reboot my desktop, be back in a little while. |
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| 14:29.26 | edje2 | hi all, i just upgraded my freerunner, and now it does not boot into a graphical env anymore. do i need to upgrade the kernel as well? if so, where do i find the new kernel ? |
| 14:30.03 | spydon | edje2, you should find it on the same page as you found the rootfs |
| 14:30.11 | spydon | which distro did you upgrade to? |
| 14:30.46 | edje2 | om2008.11 ( the version that would become 2008.11 but never did |
| 14:31.32 | edje2 | i used the instructions on: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/036694.html |
| 14:31.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03tick * r4847 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_upgrade.c: opkg: trivial just indent |
| 14:31.55 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03tick * r4848 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/pkg_vec.c: opkg: using calloc to replace the malloc, initialize varaiable |
| 14:32.51 | beni | well, i i place a theme file in my ~/.e/e/themes/illume.edj will the default system theme processed before loading my personal theme? |
| 14:33.03 | beni | i.e. am i able to just put a background image in my personal theme? |
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| 14:35.33 | edje2 | hmmm... i think i found my problem: " must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot." |
| 14:36.00 | edje2 | i should have read more carefull *before* rebooting. ;-) |
| 14:36.10 | ethy__ | android kernel and fs is flashed on my freerunner but when it try to boot after decompressing kernel it shows "bad crc" message, some ideas? |
| 14:37.07 | ethy__ | i've followeb this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 |
| 14:37.12 | ethy__ | followed |
| 14:37.37 | Weiss | edje2: kernel and rootfs come as a matched pair because the rootfs contains kernel modules which must match the running kernel. you might get away with a mismatch, but it's not worth the 30sec it takes to flash the kernel as well |
| 14:39.10 | edje2 | Weiss: right, it is not a matter of not willing to flash it, but i am unable to find the coresponding kernel with this upgrade |
| 14:39.39 | Weiss | edje2: really? on http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ ? |
| 14:40.17 | Weiss | edje2: ah, you opkg upgrade-d? |
| 14:40.42 | edje2 | Weiss: yup, i did |
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| 14:41.20 | Weiss | edje2: that should pull in the kernel and all modules correctly (opkg uses a utility to write the kernel to NAND as if you'd flashed it yourself) |
| 14:41.51 | edje2 | i use SD boot, so that might explain it |
| 14:42.52 | Weiss | possibly. if you can figure out why it didn't work, a bug report might be useful (but just "it didn't work" isn't likely to help anyone). the upgrade patch is Supposed To Work afaik |
| 14:44.03 | edje2 | well, my boot option tells the bootloader to get the kernel from the first partition of the SD card. i think the upgrade utility does not regonize the SD boot |
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| 15:02.17 | beni | Weiss: that is a very interesting info |
| 15:02.31 | beni | i already was confused why i am able to install a new kernel via opkg |
| 15:02.36 | beni | without flashing one |
| 15:02.55 | Weiss | beni: yep, in fact (aiui) this will become the only way of flashing a new kernel with Qi |
| 15:03.02 | beni | noes! |
| 15:03.09 | beni | flashing is so much fun |
| 15:03.10 | Weiss | since all of the non-trivial functionality is being deliberately removed |
| 15:03.13 | sebbs | heybwriting with a stylus is not too bad. i acctually like it. it feels alot more coherent then when writing with all fingers cos atleast i run on reflex. but when writing with a stylus i observe myself writing. |
| 15:03.26 | Weiss | lol... it wears a little thin after a while... |
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| 15:03.40 | beni | Weiss: flashing new kernel with qi also means that i need a working rootfs, doesn't it? |
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| 15:03.55 | JaMa | hello.. I have problem with rootfs building.. |
| 15:03.56 | beni | but in this situation, it may become able to brick the kernel |
| 15:04.01 | beni | withoud beeing able to reflash |
| 15:04.15 | sebbs | hehe funny that the first thing i write is wrong |
| 15:04.18 | JaMa | is something strange happening with log.do_rootfs files in OE? now they have > 100MB with some i suppose git messages which sometimes has word Fail in it, which makes rootfs log checker very angry at me :( |
| 15:04.33 | JaMa | its because of git-log -n1 --pretty=oneline |
| 15:04.35 | beni | because if rootfs wont boot anymore, i need to guess what kernel is installed to be able to find a rootfs that boots so i ca install a new kernel |
| 15:04.42 | sebbs | beni: sound like a bad idea |
| 15:04.44 | JaMa | defined in conf/distro/openmoko.conf |
| 15:05.35 | beni | Weiss: what happens if i can only boot into qi then? |
| 15:05.37 | sebbs | does anyone develop on the open moko? or is the inputting of text with stylus too frustrating? |
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| 15:06.06 | beni | sebbs: if you find a dev that develops over terminal of moko, this must be an ascet. |
| 15:06.30 | sebbs | ascet? |
| 15:06.46 | beni | ascetic |
| 15:06.47 | beni | sorry |
| 15:07.05 | beni | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascetic |
| 15:07.09 | JaMa | there should be maybe git-log -n1 --pretty=oneline|head -n 1|awk '{print $2}' |
| 15:07.26 | SpeedEvil | awk '{print $2;exit}' |
| 15:07.53 | sebbs | beni: i know what the word means i did not understand what ascet. meant |
| 15:08.16 | sebbs | i dontknow why you would use that term in this context though |
| 15:08.59 | JaMa | SpeedEvil: its because my git-log changed format? or what it was supposed to do before? |
| 15:09.12 | SpeedEvil | was just complaining of the useless use of head. |
| 15:10.00 | JaMa | SpeedEvil: ok.. --pretty=oneline looks like the output should be one line :) |
| 15:10.27 | JaMa | could someone check it? I have git version 1.6.0.4 |
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| 15:17.04 | Blackhex | Hello, I just want to ask how to upgrade from 2008.9 stable image to testing repository via SSH? When dropbear is actualized it's also restarted thus connection broken and upgrade failed. Thanks |
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| 15:19.29 | JaMa | SpeedEvil: i found the reason.. |
| 15:19.30 | Weiss | beni: not entirely sure how you'd boot into some "emergency" state. the kernel is read straight off the partition, though. |
| 15:19.44 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0fd56bffb7e7 10/framework/ (controller.py objectquery.py subsystem.py): give subsystems and objects a chance to properly shut down |
| 15:19.52 | JaMa | git log works fine git-log doesnt.. its probably because i dont have git-log and its only alias.. |
| 15:20.00 | Weiss | Blackhex: there are some recommended instructions somewhere. basically, you use "screen" to keep the session open during the disconnect |
| 15:20.20 | Blackhex | Weiss: thx I'll check it out |
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| 15:27.15 | beni | Weiss: what if the kernel is corrupted for some reason? it will never be able to be recovered if qi could not flash the device. |
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| 15:30.54 | linuxxr | ooooo noooos |
| 15:30.56 | SpeedEvil | uboot is always in NOR |
| 15:31.21 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra6bca2e7e40d 10/framework/ (resource.py subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py): resource: disable resource on object shutdown |
| 15:32.09 | bumbl | yep good old uboot and or good old debug board would solve the problem |
| 15:34.26 | CIA-20 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0586dfe1deb6 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: [kernel26] turn off LED on shut down |
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| 15:43.29 | Toriku1 | Is android easy to install yet? |
| 15:43.50 | zash | Is Android not retarded java crap yet? |
| 15:44.58 | zash | s/a c/a sandboxed c/ |
| 15:44.59 | bumbl | zash: java has its pros |
| 15:45.21 | bumbl | and cons |
| 15:45.30 | bumbl | but yes android is limited to java |
| 15:45.37 | henk | yeah! it works on every platform! just like anal sex has it pros since it works with every gender! |
| 15:46.30 | bumbl | believe me or not, I like the java syntax |
| 15:47.02 | Dave | Speaking of java... :p |
| 15:47.16 | Dave | Jalimo doesn't seem to work on SHR :[ |
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| 15:47.39 | Dave | some conflict with libgcc :\ |
| 15:47.48 | Dave | Bumble have you tried? |
| 15:47.57 | richy | Dave: -force-depends or something |
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| 15:48.06 | Dave | oh yeah duh |
| 15:48.06 | richy | it does say so on jalimo wiki |
| 15:48.13 | Dave | I was considering that this morning :P |
| 15:48.22 | Dave | since it seemed like it would still work anyway :) |
| 15:49.09 | richy | java itself does work, here. swt doesn't however.. |
| 15:50.04 | Toriku1 | javac sucks |
| 15:50.09 | Toriku1 | I mean swat |
| 15:50.26 | Blackhex | Please do anyone know where I can find those nice icons: http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/integrate3.png |
| 15:52.43 | CM_work | Hire: Do you know? |
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| 15:52.56 | CM_work | points to Blackhex's question above |
| 15:53.41 | Weiss | wonders: has anyone ever encountered weirdness with sessions hanging at logout? either with SSH or xterm. it's suddenly started happening to me |
| 15:55.04 | Blackhex | Weiss: I'm not sure what you mean exactly but my ssh connections hangs when I use setsid commands on any server |
| 15:55.32 | bumbl | Dave: i haven't tried java on the freerunner yet |
| 15:55.51 | Dave | Nevermind :D |
| 15:56.06 | Dave | richy, I got swt working on the freerunner a while back on 2007 |
| 15:56.16 | Dave | I used libswt3.4-swt-blah |
| 15:56.25 | Dave | or whatever it's called |
| 15:57.18 | Dave | libswt3.4-gtk-java |
| 15:57.26 | Weiss | Blackhex: i mean that the session works fine, but when i logout (via ctrl-d, 'exit' or closing the xterm window (xterm running on the Neo)), the process goes into uninterruptible sleep |
| 15:57.33 | Dave | I did a sample app, similar to that on the jalimo page |
| 15:57.59 | Blackhex | Weiss: and you haven't used setsid or nohup command in that session? |
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| 15:58.50 | richy | Dave, I tried the sample app, did throw some error at me. Didn't invastigate it further though |
| 15:58.59 | Dave | Ah, okay :) |
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| 15:59.15 | richy | I just received a call, (on the Freerunner ;) ) my bike is all fixed, will be back soon. |
| 15:59.47 | Dave | woot |
| 15:59.49 | Weiss | Blackhex: not *knowingly*... |
| 15:59.55 | Dave | Then are you going to mount it on your bike? |
| 15:59.58 | Dave | :p |
| 16:00.19 | Weiss | hmm, now i've rebooted and it's behaving again |
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| 16:53.16 | Zoup | where to see missed called on SHR ? |
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| 16:58.54 | richy | Zoup: nowhere yet |
| 16:59.19 | bumbl | Zoup: use pyphonelog |
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| 17:00.47 | Zoup | is this possible to use om2007 pim on shr ? |
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| 17:11.29 | ebbe | Does anyone know what command to use to bring up menu from the "wrench"? |
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| 17:29.32 | pieterc | it had something to do with the config file disabling it |
| 17:29.48 | pieterc | ebbe: since the config files are being transfered |
| 17:29.54 | pieterc | or something like that |
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| 17:39.25 | _charly_ | x |
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| 17:58.55 | glacius | hey guys |
| 17:59.08 | glacius | Are there issues with att sims and the freerunner |
| 17:59.17 | mickey | not with moko10 firmware |
| 17:59.27 | mickey | yes, with earlier versions |
| 18:00.05 | glacius | ok |
| 18:00.17 | glacius | so a firmware flash would fix any issues |
| 18:00.44 | glacius | getting rady to purchase one |
| 18:00.47 | mickey | it should, ya |
| 18:00.49 | glacius | ready to purchase one |
| 18:01.30 | glacius | and have att |
| 18:01.36 | glacius | so u understand the concern |
| 18:01.38 | glacius | :) |
| 18:02.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | hi, mickey :-) |
| 18:02.21 | mickey | hi |
| 18:03.06 | _charly_ | hi :) |
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| 18:05.41 | glacius | do GTA02v5 have any big issues |
| 18:05.49 | glacius | over the GTA02v6 |
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| 18:07.58 | _charly_ | v5 doesn't have the gps fix, don't know if there are other differences |
| 18:08.59 | alephnull | How does one check the GTA02 version ? |
| 18:10.06 | mickey | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:10.32 | _charly_ | but the gps software fix works pretty well on the v5 :) |
| 18:10.37 | alephnull | Ah, thanks. |
| 18:14.08 | glacius | gps fix? |
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| 18:16.18 | _charly_ | glacius: v5 had problems getting a gps position fix when a sd card was inserted, see also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 18:16.34 | alephnull | Ah, thanks. |
| 18:16.46 | glacius | _charly_: is it worth it for me to get the v5 or should i wait until i can get a v6 |
| 18:19.30 | mwester | glacius: where would be able to find a v5 anymore? |
| 18:19.44 | glacius | craigs list,ebay etc.. |
| 18:20.07 | mwester | Ok, used. yeah, well, you never know what you'll get that way. |
| 18:20.47 | mwester | So if you don't want to deal with the software workarounds, or reflashing bootloaders, then you really need to order a brand new one. |
| 18:21.09 | _charly_ | i have a v5, and it works for me. v6 has the gps problem fixed in hardware, but the software fix/workaround also works perfect. v6 also has the aux led fixed, but i'm not sure if this fix is also in v5 |
| 18:21.37 | glacius | aux led ? |
| 18:22.10 | glacius | and i dont mind reflashing and i have an old cingular sim |
| 18:22.20 | glacius | i am currently using |
| 18:22.52 | _charly_ | it drew too much current in the first produced devices, but i think this was fixed before start of mass production |
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| 18:23.57 | glacius | they retail for like 499 right |
| 18:24.14 | glacius | anywher cheaper |
| 18:24.32 | glacius | i prob can get one used but a g5 for $280 |
| 18:24.41 | glacius | u would think |
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| 18:33.52 | glacius | ? |
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| 18:36.52 | glacius | ok thanks for the info guys |
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| 18:38.55 | _charly_ | well, a5 works, has known problems which can be fixed, most of them in software. the only issue that has to be fixed in hardware is the gsm buzzing issue, but also a6 has it. afaik this will be fixed in a7. but you can always take an a5 and a soldering iron and fix the issues yourself (if you have the skill to do this, of course) |
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| 18:39.48 | glacius | ok cool |
| 18:39.53 | glacius | thanks again |
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| 18:41.23 | spydon | how do I know which version I have? |
| 18:42.10 | mickey__ | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 18:45.53 | _charly_ | mickey__: are there any problems with the fso feeds on downloads.freesmartphone.org? i haven't seen updates for a while |
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| 19:00.22 | spydon | ty mickey__ |
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| 19:02.46 | CarloRatm | anyone knows if there's a good channel for EFL (Enlightenment Foundation Libraries) ? |
| 19:03.22 | zash | CarloRatm: locate raster |
| 19:04.22 | mickey__ | #edevelop |
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| 19:05.24 | CarloRatm | ty all |
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| 19:30.22 | costi | hi all |
| 19:30.33 | costi | my freerunner just arrived today! |
| 19:30.44 | costi | i puted the newest FDOM in |
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| 19:31.00 | costi | but the sound is not working |
| 19:31.15 | tifereth | which sound? |
| 19:31.35 | costi | ~#espeak |
| 19:31.36 | costi | hello world |
| 19:31.36 | costi | wave_open_sound > Pa_OpenStream : err=-9996 (Invalid device) |
| 19:31.36 | costi | wave_open_sound > Pa_OpenStream : err=-9996 (Invalid device) |
| 19:32.21 | janrikard | i tried to install the android imagesbut al i get is "cant get kernel image" |
| 19:32.21 | janrikard | i followed the instructions on http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/11/getting-started-with-android-on-neo.html |
| 19:32.21 | janrikard | and the instructions on the wiki, anyone have any better instructions? |
| 19:33.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | sounds like Pulse-audio. think that's gone |
| 19:33.21 | costi | so what should i do? |
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| 19:34.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | pester the espeak-devels? dunno. Probably someone else has better advice, here in this # |
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| 19:35.57 | costi | well, its not espeaks fault, i can hear no sound at all... |
| 19:37.00 | costi | has the "default" freerunner the newest kernel? |
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| 19:37.34 | nihil | janrikard, do you have the crc error? |
| 19:37.57 | tifereth | costi, afaik noo but you should have flashed a new one if you flashed fdom |
| 19:38.13 | costi | ahh, ok |
| 19:38.18 | costi | so it should work! |
| 19:38.18 | nicfer | One question, would openmoko work on android phones? |
| 19:38.49 | janrikard | nihil: i dont get any errors except the error ive wrote, or at least i dont see any |
| 19:39.03 | costi | well.... i will give the QT based thing a try |
| 19:39.12 | costi | thank you guys |
| 19:40.22 | nicfer | Like the htc g1 |
| 19:41.20 | nihil | its probably that |
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| 19:42.54 | nihil | janrikard, if you have an account http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15&start=15#p99 |
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| 19:43.41 | costi | do you think, it is possible to detect car crashes with the accelerometer + AGPS ?? |
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| 19:44.47 | janrikard | nihal: im reading there and i think it can help, thanks |
| 19:44.51 | nihil | well i posted it, so I am sure it works |
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| 20:00.46 | janrikard | nihil: im not having any luck, I think somethink is wong with my bootmenu, im going to flash it |
| 20:01.18 | nihil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:02.09 | janrikard | nihil: 1.3.2 |
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| 20:06.19 | nihil | janrikard, so you flashed recently with http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin ? |
| 20:09.31 | janrikard | nihil: i flashed it now, and when i "set console to USB" i dont get wierd errormessages anymore |
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| 20:10.54 | nihil | okay, good jaebird |
| 20:11.05 | nihil | *janrikard |
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| 20:13.24 | janrikard | nihil: was able to connect now and followed the instructions and it ended with "Verifying Checksum ... OK" so i think it went well, then the moko went brigth white and then black, should i reboot or is it booting? |
| 20:14.07 | nihil | it's booting ;) |
| 20:15.47 | janrikard | nihil: if im going back to something else, do i have to reverse the kermit thing? |
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| 20:17.23 | nihil | nope |
| 20:17.29 | nihil | the setting is lost on the next boot |
| 20:18.11 | janrikard | nihil: so android only starts once? then i have to do it again? |
| 20:20.05 | nihil | yeah if you want to boot it again |
| 20:20.16 | janrikard | nihil: shouldnt i see something more than a blank screen by now? |
| 20:20.29 | nihil | you should |
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| 20:20.41 | nihil | is the aux led blinking? |
| 20:20.59 | janrikard | nihil: no |
| 20:21.03 | nihil | do you have sd card setuped? |
| 20:21.19 | janrikard | nihil: yes |
| 20:21.48 | nihil | mhm weird |
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| 20:22.46 | janrikard | nihil: i probably did something wrong, i try agian from the top |
| 20:23.04 | nihil | maybe |
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| 21:12.58 | igor321 | damn the android browser kicks so much ass |
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| 21:46.49 | davi | phone hardware specification: http://www.17lamp.net/blog/editor/hardware/20081202120732 |
| 21:47.01 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.05 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.57 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.03 | davi | Openmoko: 2.8" VGA (480x640) VGA Screen |
| 21:48.03 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:07.55 | pieterc | I just performed rm -rf * |
| 22:07.58 | pieterc | I feel cool ... |
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| 22:09.29 | henk | when in uboot and connected via usb shouldnt dfu-util -l list all partitions in flash like in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_partitions? mine only shows this: Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 22:09.49 | Fougner | eyyyy |
| 22:10.33 | Fougner|Kassel | what up guys? =) |
| 22:12.42 | pieterc | hey... I got a gta02 but i put m GTA01 battery in it... Is it possible that got something to do with (in any distro) the battery state always being 0% ? |
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| 22:14.09 | mwester | pieterc: yes |
| 22:14.27 | pieterc | using the GTA01 battery won't harm my FR right? |
| 22:15.01 | Fougner|Kassel | pieterc, if it's 3.7V, nope =) |
| 22:15.05 | mwester | Won't harm |
| 22:15.24 | pieterc | pieterc is happy again |
| 22:15.28 | pieterc | ;) |
| 22:15.32 | Gottox | Fougner|Kassel: you're from kassel? |
| 22:15.38 | Arg0naut | sim card was detected by freerunner before, but isn't being detected now, any ideas |
| 22:15.47 | pieterc | Kassel in Belgium? ;) |
| 22:15.53 | Fougner|Kassel | Gottox, nope, I'm just here tonight =( |
| 22:16.00 | Gottox | Germany? |
| 22:16.07 | Fougner|Kassel | no, Sweden =) |
| 22:17.14 | Gottox | you're ip says something different :) |
| 22:17.58 | henk | he is from sweden, but is in kassel atm... as far as i got it. |
| 22:18.11 | henk | kassel germany, not kassel sweden ;) |
| 22:18.53 | Gottox | ah, k. I'm living in Kassel. was just curious. |
| 22:21.19 | Fougner|Kassel | Gottox, Kassel DE? |
| 22:21.30 | pieterc | what does GTA stand for? |
| 22:21.31 | pieterc | atually;) |
| 22:21.32 | Gottox | sure :) |
| 22:21.33 | pieterc | just wondering |
| 22:21.37 | Fougner|Kassel | Grand Theft Auto ;) |
| 22:21.40 | pieterc | su ;) |
| 22:21.49 | Fougner|Kassel | Gottox, cool, where? |
| 22:21.59 | pieterc | I was about the say, the first one to tell me grand heft will be punished ;) |
| 22:22.13 | Fougner|Kassel | pieterc, then PUNISH ME MUHAHAH =D |
| 22:22.21 | Fougner|Kassel | apt defend Fougner|Kassel |
| 22:22.22 | apt | ACTION jumps in front of Fougner|Kassel, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward Fougner|Kassel so that Fougner|Kassel may live on in peace and quiet |
| 22:22.42 | pieterc | haha |
| 22:22.49 | pieterc | apt -get remove |
| 22:23.22 | Gottox | Fougner|Kassel: close to the campus at Hollaendischen Platz. |
| 22:23.44 | pieterc | Is there also a Belgien Platz? |
| 22:23.50 | pieterc | oder Belgishen |
| 22:24.05 | pieterc | ;) |
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| 22:24.34 | fale | hi |
| 22:24.37 | fale | is known when 2008.10 will be released? |
| 22:24.44 | pieterc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.44 | pieterc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.44 | pieterc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.07 | henk | uhm? .10? what timezone are you in? |
| 22:25.18 | pieterc | .12 you mean? ;) |
| 22:25.36 | Fougner|Kassel | Gottox, uhm, I know where that is.. NOT :P We're staying close to IKEA .. leaving tomorrow |
| 22:25.53 | Gottox | ah, "little sweden" :P |
| 22:25.54 | fale | henk: on the web site there is written that next version will be 2008.10 |
| 22:26.20 | henk | and you believe that? |
| 22:26.29 | pieterc | fale: it's a wiki... you should change it;) |
| 22:26.29 | Fougner|Kassel | Gottox, haha so that's what you call it? xD |
| 22:26.38 | fale | henk: mainly I have no clue about this |
| 22:26.58 | fale | pieterc: what is the right info? |
| 22:27.07 | henk | fale: where does that stand btw? i haven't seen that, but i'm rather new too... |
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| 22:27.27 | Fougner|Kassel | fale, apparently, .10 is NOT correct =) |
| 22:27.35 | fale | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.9_Update#What.27s_Next.3F |
| 22:27.38 | pieterc | fale: according to the mailinglist i guess 2008.12 will be the new release and in my opinion it will be released around X mass ;) |
| 22:28.00 | fale | I see |
| 22:28.03 | Fougner|Kassel | apt goodnight |
| 22:28.04 | apt | Have a goodnight! |
| 22:28.29 | fale | pieterc: I have heard some while ago that they wanted to merge FSO and ASU... it had been made? |
| 22:29.09 | Gottox | not in general, I was curious that you're staying just next to ikea :) |
| 22:29.28 | dent | fale: huh? this might have been the initial motivation behind SHR, afaik |
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| 22:29.57 | dent | but nowadays it's more like a FSO front-end, at least in my poor understanding |
| 22:30.30 | dent | ping Kassel :) |
| 22:30.39 | Gottox | pong |
| 22:30.44 | dent | good :) |
| 22:30.54 | Gottox | still alive :) |
| 22:31.12 | dent | I was in Goettingen a few days ago, AFAIK it's close to Kassel |
| 22:31.14 | pieterc | fale: no idea... I know there were intentions.. but that's all i know |
| 22:31.25 | dent | at least I guess the train from Gotty goes either to Hannover or Kassel |
| 22:31.26 | fale | pieterc: I see |
| 22:31.38 | pieterc | fale: i guess i do not know much more than you do ;) |
| 22:31.47 | fale | pieterc: which is, in your opinion the most advanced distro? |
| 22:31.48 | Gottox | dent: yea, about 30minutes with ICE. |
| 22:32.20 | dent | Gottox: the cold weather made me suffer loads of WSOD |
| 22:32.35 | pieterc | fale: why you're asking me? ;) What do you mean with advanced? Usability as a daily phone, or has the most features? |
| 22:32.57 | pieterc | fale: I'd say OM2008.9 as stable release with most features, and SHR most usable as daily phone... |
| 22:33.20 | fale | is going to check SHR |
| 22:33.21 | pieterc | fale: i meant... FDOM based on OM2008.9 |
| 22:33.28 | fale | FDOM? |
| 22:33.34 | pieterc | Fat and Dirty Open Moko |
| 22:33.46 | Gottox | poor dent... :) |
| 22:33.47 | pieterc | it's OM2008.9 with many applications preinstalled |
| 22:33.53 | pieterc | and many configuration done |
| 22:34.02 | pieterc | It's pretty sweet to see what the phone actually can do |
| 22:34.22 | pieterc | but it runs quite slow and takes ages to boot |
| 22:34.27 | fale | pieterc: and can I install more than one distro in the same time? |
| 22:34.31 | pieterc | but that will be solved at the 2008.11 |
| 22:34.34 | pieterc | 12 i meant |
| 22:34.44 | fale | cool |
| 22:35.00 | pieterc | sure, on the SD card... But it's a hard procedure... you should check the wiki |
| 22:35.13 | pieterc | you'll have to unpack the rootfs and stuff |
| 22:35.44 | fale | that's not very cool |
| 22:35.48 | fale | thx anyway |
| 22:35.58 | Arg0naut | anyone ever have the problem where it stops detecting your sim card? |
| 22:36.04 | tifereth | anyone can explain me how to build opkg to create opkg packages? |
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| 22:37.58 | fale | can I install tangoGPS in Qtopia? |
| 22:38.51 | davi | Are there VGA displays but with higher size, > 2.8" ? |
| 22:39.11 | davi | It would be cool use it for the next Openmoko phone model |
| 22:39.35 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
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| 22:39.46 | SpeedEvil | I've got a 7.8" one in my new device that I want OM on. |
| 22:40.02 | davi | URL? |
| 22:40.23 | pieterc | fale: on the new one you can i gues... never tried it because the new release of qtopia isn't that good i heared |
| 22:40.30 | pieterc | i HURD |
| 22:40.36 | zash | 4" wide would be nice |
| 22:40.46 | davi | 4" would be great! |
| 22:41.00 | davi | I Hurd |
| 22:41.16 | dent | hurd on the FR? :-P |
| 22:41.24 | pieterc | It's possible ;) |
| 22:41.39 | fale | pieterc: I'm using qtopia at the moment and is not so bad |
| 22:41.43 | mwester | fale: perhaps, but it wouldn't run. |
| 22:42.07 | fale | mwester: I see... and is there a gps app for qtextended? |
| 22:42.17 | SpeedEvil | davi: http://www.rapidonline.com/Tools-Fasteners-Production-Equipment/Test-Equipment/Oscilloscopes/PDS-Series-2-channel-colour-oscilloscopes/80709 |
| 22:42.43 | mwester | qt extended has a demo app that shows you where you are currently, but it is really nothing more than a demo. |
| 22:43.18 | fale | mwester: I tryied it... nad only looks for the satellites... it never find them |
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| 22:43.33 | davi | Thanks SpeedEvil. So 7.8in, 640 x 480 colour display could be possible. |
| 22:43.39 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 22:43.48 | SpeedEvil | that's probably about the common limit though |
| 22:44.06 | anno^da_ | What is the easiest way to implement an app waiting for missed calls and setting a LED notification. Is it the right way to start a service and register in this service a BroadcastReceiver waiting for the missed call? Or is there an easier way? |
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| 22:44.30 | SpeedEvil | displays larger than that tend to rise in resolution |
| 22:44.38 | davi | anyway, 4" would be maybe the best one for a phone + portable computer. |
| 22:44.50 | anno^da_ | wrong channel :) |
| 22:45.21 | fale | mwester: by the way... I think that a big problem of qtextended is the lackness of software in the feeds... do you think that if I pack a software I can put it in the feed? (maybe sending it to someone) |
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| 23:21.13 | Dave | raster. |
| 23:21.57 | jonkristian | dave. |
| 23:22.12 | jonkristian | dr. D |
| 23:22.23 | Dave | YES |
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| 23:23.13 | Dave | Yeah, I was just looking through the holiday ads only to become dissatisfied... realizing that even the best touchscreen phones currently being offered (on the market), are total crap. |
| 23:23.17 | mwester | DestructoDave. |
| 23:23.26 | Dave | So much for "technologically advanced." |
| 23:23.40 | jonkristian | :/ |
| 23:24.03 | Sargun | Are there any other benefits of moko10 than the 3G sim? |
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| 23:24.40 | Dave | Sargun, it has mystical fixing properties with unknown potential? |
| 23:24.41 | raster | Dave: booo |
| 23:24.44 | mwester | smoother, more silky skin, pleasant spring scent... |
| 23:24.53 | Dave | Raster: Halloween's over. |
| 23:25.06 | mwester | wonders if that's right, or if has moko10 confused with bath soap once again. :( |
| 23:25.07 | Dave | Take off your mask. |
| 23:25.16 | raster | Dave: doesn't mean i'm not scary :) |
| 23:25.18 | Dave | Mwester - Fuck yeah, shower radio! |
| 23:25.25 | Dave | Raster, haha, indeed. |
| 23:25.30 | mwester | pool toy. |
| 23:25.40 | Dave | Dude, if ONLY it did those things. |
| 23:25.51 | Dave | Then at least it'd have one good, well-defined use :) |
| 23:26.10 | Tig| | Dave are you trying to flog your excess FRs as pool toys AGAIN? :P |
| 23:26.29 | mwester | soap-on-a-rope, moko-on-a-rope... almost indistinguishable. |
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| 23:26.41 | Dave | :D |
| 23:26.50 | mwester | (except openmoko calls is a "lanyard") |
| 23:26.58 | Dave | Actually, the biggest pull has been the moko as an accidental usb mouse |
| 23:26.59 | Dave | :\ |
| 23:27.03 | Dave | IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME |
| 23:27.08 | Dave | WHY DOES IT NOT FUNCTION AS SO |
| 23:27.12 | mwester | And works about the same too |
| 23:27.12 | Dave | It's a trap! |
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| 23:27.26 | Dave | Mwester, if only I could take it in the shower :) |
| 23:27.27 | Tig| | phones Rocket from the Crypt and tells them there is an advertising opp with their name on it :) |
| 23:27.40 | mwester | WSoD vs soap in your eyes -- both blind you. |
| 23:27.52 | Tig| | Dave: it will work when the sw is finished :P |
| 23:28.21 | mwester | Get Smart II: instead of the "shoe phone" its the "soap phone" |
| 23:29.55 | Dave | :D |
| 23:30.09 | Tig| | mwester: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo they will be banned from aircraft |
| 23:30.10 | Dave | Walk into the light... |
| 23:30.37 | Dave | I can see it now... CNN: FIRST SUCCESSFUL OPEN SOURCE PHONE BRINGS DOWN AIRCRAFT. |
| 23:30.39 | _charly_ | mwester: but there's a way to distinguish the soap from the wsod-moko: put it in water, when it stops blinding you it was the freerunner :) |
| 23:30.50 | mwester | hehe! |
| 23:31.14 | Dave | Will it float!? |
| 23:31.17 | Dave | :D |
| 23:31.20 | Dave | The best test of all! |
| 23:32.19 | Tig| | Will it blend? :P |
| 23:32.52 | _charly_ | Tig|: exactly what i thought ;) |
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| 23:33.12 | jonkristian | is pulling an all-nighter |
| 23:33.16 | Dave | Of course it blends, we've seen moko-smoothe |
| 23:33.26 | Dave | high-fives jonkristian |
| 23:33.28 | Tig| | Actually will it float is the best.... if it floats it must have a binary blob if it sinks then it was obviously the worlds greatest phone that no longer works :P |
| 23:33.32 | Dave | jonkristian, the night just started. |
| 23:33.49 | Dave | Tig, see! :) |
| 23:33.58 | Tig| | I misread that as Dave pulls jonkristian |
| 23:34.34 | Tig| | apologies all this wine is nice and I had to go to ikea so trying to blot out the memory |
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| 23:36.15 | mwester | Ikea? Ouch. :( |
| 23:37.15 | mwester | You didn't have to actually buy anything there, did you? |
| 23:37.33 | Tig| | I got out lightly only spent £200 |
| 23:38.03 | mwester | Are the stores there also painted garish yellow and blue? |
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| 23:38.29 | Tig| | well they are made from yellow plastic and blue metal |
| 23:38.31 | SpeedEvil | had an expensive day today too. |
| 23:38.43 | SpeedEvil | Quite a lot of wood delivered. |
| 23:38.48 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: a car or house? |
| 23:39.04 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: just enough to finish off mostly my house insulation. |
| 23:39.30 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: where are you based? |
| 23:39.35 | SpeedEvil | Scotland |
| 23:39.48 | SpeedEvil | http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.2097&lon=-3.1028&zoom=13&layers=00B0FTF |
| 23:39.50 | Tig| | did they cut the vat on it? |
| 23:39.56 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 23:40.16 | _charly_ | if we ikea would produce the freerunner we would get all parts of it separately, and after we finished assembling all those parts we will get few screws left, and noone would know where these belong to... |
| 23:40.30 | jonkristian | :o |
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| 23:40.44 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: a very well mapped area, has one been out with the gps? :) |
| 23:40.48 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:41.02 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: actually, it looks better than it is due to all teh contours. |
| 23:41.12 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: still a fair bit to do. |
| 23:41.19 | Tig| | _charly_: sounds like a buildhost to me :) |
| 23:41.32 | _charly_ | hehe :) |
| 23:42.17 | _charly_ | buildhost.ikea.se :) |
| 23:42.22 | Tig| | eeek |
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| 23:44.12 | Tig| | the swedish arm of ikea are especially evil, I read somewhere they were making an ikea store with a hotel attached so you could shop for more than one day! oddly enough I also read it had a honeymoon suite.... I am sure we can all come up with our own jokes about that |
| 23:45.10 | SpeedEvil | google ikea riot |
| 23:45.10 | SpeedEvil | Though nobody got killed |
| 23:45.10 | cjb | Ikea is pretty evil in general. It's the world's largest "non-profit". |
| 23:45.10 | Tig| | unlike walmart the other week :( |
| 23:45.19 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: that was in london they are all nuts there |
| 23:45.44 | Tig| | cjb: HTF do they get classed as non-profit? |
| 23:46.33 | mwester | They're a cult? |
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| 23:49.02 | SpeedEvil | http://www.economist.com/business/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=6919139 |
| 23:49.41 | Dave | Who's non-profit? |
| 23:49.48 | SpeedEvil | ikea |
| 23:49.59 | SpeedEvil | The parent for all IKEA companiesthe operator of 207 of the 235 worldwide IKEA storesis Ingka Holding, a private Dutch-registered company. Ingka Holding, in turn, belongs entirely to Stichting Ingka Foundation. This is a Dutch-registered, tax-exempt, non-profit-making legal entity, which was given the shares of Mr Kamprad in 1982. Stichtingen, or foundations, are the most common form of not-for-profit organisation in the Netherlands; tens of thous |
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| 23:50.22 | cjb | Dave: it's just a charity that really really wants to help people to get nice furniture. |
| 23:50.40 | cjb | oh, and it happens to have made more money than any other charity does. who knew! |
| 23:50.59 | Dave | Well what I was wondering is either they're actually charitable or just hiding behind it for tax shelter. |
| 23:51.05 | cjb | tax shelter. |
| 23:51.10 | Dave | fuck 'em then |
| 23:51.14 | Dave | BASTARDS |
| 23:51.18 | SpeedEvil | damn that's clever. |
| 23:51.23 | Dave | Then again, they're just like us then :) |
| 23:51.26 | Dave | hahaha |
| 23:51.30 | Dave | US |
| 23:51.39 | _charly_ | bastards... without killing kenny |
| 23:51.44 | Dave | Yeah |
| 23:53.19 | SpeedEvil | Legally, that's genius. |
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| 23:53.59 | rooly|stupidcomp | i wonder... |
| 23:54.40 | rooly|stupidcomp | maybe i'll start the Rooly Foundation, a non-profit tax-exempt orginization that spends all of my money for me |
| 23:55.06 | rooly|stupidcomp | on me, of course |
| 23:55.09 | mwester | Ask Bill and Hillary Clinton for advise on how to do *exactly* that. |
| 23:55.21 | rooly|stupidcomp | that stupid ass hat |
| 23:55.23 | rooly|stupidcomp | taking my nick |
| 23:55.50 | mwester | Hmm. What an unruly person. |
| 23:55.51 | mwester | :p |
| 23:56.12 | rooly | hah, i've never heard that one before |
| 23:58.28 | pieterc | wow |
| 23:58.34 | pieterc | the new SHR rly kicks ass |
| 23:59.21 | sicu | hmmm .. there's a new one pieterc ? |
| 23:59.35 | pieterc | 27 november one |
| 23:59.43 | pieterc | I did not test it yet;) |
| 23:59.55 | sicu | ahh ... stop getting my hopes up |
| 23:59.58 | _charly_ | is still waiting for the FSO feeds to update again :/ |
