| 00:00.36 | peelooo | hi all, anyone got the White Screen of Death? What're the solutions? I'm on SHR |
| 00:00.55 | kd8ikt | yeah but its using FSO framework wich is still a bit, bare |
| 00:00.59 | badcloud | what would be some of the limitations of trying to set up a dual boot (if at all possible) of openmoko+WM on a WM device? |
| 00:01.42 | badcloud | in terms of the openmoko end |
| 00:02.06 | pieterc | peelooo: opkg remove WSoD |
| 00:02.17 | Fougner | pieterc, haha |
| 00:02.21 | peelooo | pieterc :D |
| 00:02.38 | pieterc | ;) |
| 00:02.44 | sicu | slaxxin: SHR is not released, and has not reached first milestone yet |
| 00:03.07 | slaxxin | whats that link i posted |
| 00:03.33 | slaxxin | 13.49 yesterday? |
| 00:03.48 | Fougner | slaxxin, maybe that meant to be "now we're finished at this trac site" |
| 00:03.56 | Fougner | "we move on to our own trac" =) |
| 00:04.06 | sicu | it was only marked as completed in OM trac to block new tickets there, as SHR has had their own trac at bearstech for a while now |
| 00:04.17 | slaxxin | ok |
| 00:04.42 | slaxxin | :( |
| 00:05.07 | kd8ikt | omfg spammers http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/263 |
| 00:05.10 | peelooo | am i the only one with the WSoD on FSO/SHR? got this from mailing list, but doenst solve anything: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg33595.html |
| 00:07.24 | hozer | okay, so I went to best buy and got a rocketfish bluetooth dongle, but it seems to only show up as a keyboard/mouse HID device, not a bluetooth adapter |
| 00:07.38 | badcloud | haha, kd8kit, do you think it's pointed at the right consumer croud? |
| 00:09.03 | hozer | it's a broadcom BCM2045B2 chip |
| 00:10.02 | kd8ikt | ugh it already has bluetooth... |
| 00:10.13 | kd8ikt | or is this for your computer? |
| 00:10.49 | hozer | for the computer |
| 00:10.52 | sicu | peelooo: try this --> http://brokenmoko.pastebin.com/d11eca7dc |
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| 00:11.15 | hozer | I have a macbook that's supposed to have built in bluetooth, but it never shows up after a resume from suspend |
| 00:11.41 | peelooo | thanks sicu |
| 00:12.34 | sicu | let me know if it works |
| 00:13.06 | hozer | so I figured I'd try the bestbuy rocketfish bluetooth adapter |
| 00:13.12 | hozer | but I should have known better ;) |
| 00:13.26 | Wonka | hozer: what does lsusb say after resume? |
| 00:14.30 | hozer | I did pick up a 4G sdhc for $15, and a nice reader for $5 |
| 00:14.33 | sicu | peelooo: though you will end up with a screen with 100% brightness all the time ... not very battery friendly :/ |
| 00:15.18 | hozer | this is what I get: Starting bluetooth: hcid hid_devicesSwitching device 05ac:1000 to HCI mode failed (Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character) |
| 00:15.55 | peelooo | sicu: arf... where does this bug come from? would it be solved in next releases? |
| 00:16.10 | kd8ikt | hid2hci |
| 00:16.23 | sicu | peelooo: i don't suffer from WSoD, but that is what i use when using GPS etc |
| 00:16.41 | Wonka | hozer: maybe that one would help you: http://pastebin.com/m74fe14fe |
| 00:17.16 | peelooo | sicu: thanks, crossing finger and let's see if it change n next releases :) |
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| 00:17.45 | sicu | peelooo: you might get lucky =] |
| 00:17.51 | peelooo | :) |
| 00:18.09 | peelooo | hum... strange, it's still diming even with this conf |
| 00:18.21 | sicu | peelooo: do you have WSoD only when resuming from suspend? or from screen dimming too? |
| 00:18.56 | peelooo | i think it's just from suspend, because wake up already few time after diming |
| 00:19.17 | kd8ikt | did you reboot? |
| 00:19.23 | sicu | ah, then all you need is the suspend=0 then |
| 00:19.28 | kd8ikt | or atleast restart frameworkd |
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| 00:20.13 | peelooo | yes, complete reboot after modifying /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 00:20.20 | vininim | wow, my freerunner is hot |
| 00:20.43 | sicu | weird. shouldn't still be dimming then :/ |
| 00:21.09 | peelooo | yes, weird... |
| 00:21.30 | Tig| | vininim: they get hot while charging (more so on the normal charger not connected to a computer) |
| 00:21.44 | Tig| | they do also get warm if you play with them for hours on end |
| 00:21.59 | vininim | that would be the case |
| 00:22.12 | hozer | wonka: that seemed to do something |
| 00:22.17 | vininim | will let if off for a while, duke3d just hang it anyway |
| 00:22.19 | hozer | now bnep is loaded and I can't figure out what is using it |
| 00:23.12 | vininim | (and people don't call me anyway... so ronery.. :) ) |
| 00:23.17 | Fougner | vininim, OR, you can change your home screen background to Heidi Klum =D |
| 00:23.57 | vininim | eeewwww |
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| 00:24.59 | vininim | also, tested navit today and it looks promising |
| 00:27.26 | kd8ikt | ARGH! |
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| 00:28.48 | pieterc | what? |
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| 00:29.28 | pieterc | Fougner: i didn't want to make that joke ;) |
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| 00:30.14 | Fougner | pieterc, why? :O |
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| 00:30.46 | pieterc | dunno ;) |
| 00:31.40 | pieterc | -playing duke 3d ;) - |
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| 00:35.31 | badcloud | pieterc, what's the fps in Duke? |
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| 00:37.23 | pieterc | hm... how do i check that? |
| 00:37.27 | hozer | wooo! I have working bnet! |
| 00:37.38 | hozer | 30ms latency though |
| 00:37.49 | badcloud | hmmm, not sure |
| 00:37.50 | hozer | needs to compile NetPIPE for the neo!! |
| 00:38.04 | badcloud | maybe there's some command switch |
| 00:38.06 | peelooo | sicu: same problem wit all frameworkd.conf set to 0 :/ stll seems to suspend, and definitly dim, weird |
| 00:38.23 | sicu | :/ |
| 00:38.56 | sicu | peelooo: you always had this ... or did it start occuring after an upgrade ? |
| 00:39.17 | peelooo | always this |
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| 00:40.15 | pieterc | badcloud: i don't find a way to check, but i don't think it's very high |
| 00:40.24 | badcloud | gotcha |
| 00:40.26 | badcloud | thanks |
| 00:41.04 | Fougner | RISE AGAINST! =D |
| 00:41.40 | log0ut | Does anyone know if there is something I can buy at like Best Buy when I go out today to either replace or recharge my dead neo battery? |
| 00:42.04 | slaxxin | nokia battery charger |
| 00:42.08 | log0ut | Specific charger, or battery kind.. |
| 00:42.12 | kd8ikt | i use an old nokia that has a battery that is compatible |
| 00:42.24 | log0ut | Ok, the wiki says a nokia brand one, won't charge it? |
| 00:42.27 | kd8ikt | use the nokia+cable to charge it then swap em |
| 00:42.54 | kd8ikt | bootup with nokia enable usb2 500mah draw hotswap battery then i'm done |
| 00:42.59 | log0ut | So look for a nokia charger not branded by nokia, according to the wiki? |
| 00:43.26 | hozer | so here's a question... why can't we run without a battery ? |
| 00:43.30 | kd8ikt | ugh dont you have any nokia junk cellphones or a friend with a nokia? |
| 00:43.39 | log0ut | I did but I threw them out. |
| 00:43.43 | log0ut | Unfortunately. |
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| 00:44.43 | kd8ikt | unfortunalety you threw out your best option for recovery from an extremely low battery |
| 00:45.08 | Fougner | I'm using the nokia original BL-5C battery (1070mAh) |
| 00:45.14 | hozer | well, you can plug it into the neo, it will just take forever, right? |
| 00:45.29 | pieterc | not forever |
| 00:45.36 | pieterc | I did that a couple of times yet |
| 00:45.49 | hozer | well, just way longer than you want to wait ;) |
| 00:45.51 | pieterc | it's better than buying new stuff;) |
| 00:46.12 | pieterc | yeah, but it's late, you should go to bed and wait till tomorrow ;) |
| 00:46.27 | pieterc | (ok, over here it's late, sorry, don't know where you at;)) |
| 00:46.40 | hozer | hah.. I was gonna ask |
| 00:46.55 | hozer | I've got a good 4-5 hours of hacking left |
| 00:47.02 | mwester | hozer: The gta01 can't run without battery because there's something rather bad that happens in the PMU circuitry that will actually damage the device. The gta02 can run without battery -- it just cannot power the GSM without battery, as the GSM pulls far too much power (in short bursts) for the radio transmitter. |
| 00:47.06 | hozer | then tommorow I probably have to do homework :) |
| 00:47.36 | pieterc | right, homework |
| 00:47.40 | pieterc | good u remind me |
| 00:47.40 | pieterc | ;) |
| 00:47.44 | hozer | HAH |
| 00:48.00 | mwester | uses a BL-6C battery and no-name (eBay) charger -- works great when I flatten the real batteries. |
| 00:48.17 | Fougner | ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent 699 MB Seeding 1,458.24% |
| 00:48.29 | hozer | mwester: what happens if I replace the battery on a gta02 with big capacitor |
| 00:48.30 | kd8ikt | udev lookup_group specified group scanner unknown |
| 00:48.54 | kd8ikt | arc reactor? |
| 00:49.14 | hozer | hah |
| 00:49.45 | mwester | hozer: If it's big enough, and you don't blow up the PMU trying to charge it, then it might actually be able to power the GSM (if you have the wall charger; the power budget will be exceeded from the USB port if you have backlight on, bluetooth on, wifi on, and GSM on). |
| 00:50.13 | mwester | kd8ikt: Yeah, sloppy udev packaging or sloppy udev coding, not sure which. harmless, AFAIK. |
| 00:50.44 | hozer | I am thinking more foionr an embedded applicat |
| 00:50.48 | hozer | arg.. |
| 00:50.54 | hozer | more for an embedded application |
| 00:51.16 | mwester | Keep the battery if you need the GSM running. |
| 00:51.45 | hozer | but the battery will degrade eventually |
| 00:52.00 | kd8ikt | mwester: thasts from shr 11-28 |
| 00:52.08 | hozer | I'd like to drop these things in a box with solar panels out in a field and have them report back stuff |
| 00:52.29 | kd8ikt | status report : stolen by kd8ikt |
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| 00:52.44 | mwester | There's just waaaay too much hardware and low-level coding to sort out down at the PMU level if you want to deviate from what Openmoko has found to work -- which is more "black art" than science, as far as I can tell. |
| 00:52.52 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 00:53.08 | hozer | bah, open source the PMU code ;) |
| 00:53.13 | mwester | kd8ikt: It's udev 24, and does it on a bunch of distros. The passwd file isnt' in sync with udev. |
| 00:53.23 | mwester | hozer: It is open source. |
| 00:53.38 | kd8ikt | Nov 29 14:50:46 om-gta02 user.info fso-gpsd[1355]: WARNING: org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Satellite: GetSatellites: |
| 00:53.42 | kd8ikt | Nov 29 14:50:48 om-gta02 user.info fso-gpsd[1355]: WARNING: Timeout: device started but not connected |
| 00:53.56 | hozer | will have to go dig around with the pmu code one of these days |
| 00:54.07 | mwester | hozer: it's just that the interactions and the behavior is not documented clearly, or in some cases documented at all. Openmoko is solving some of the problems by means of scopes and instrumentation of the various power busses. |
| 00:54.28 | hozer | yeah... is this bad chipset documentation? |
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| 00:54.49 | davi | [feedback]: http://lwn.net/Articles/308912/ |
| 00:54.52 | mwester | The issue is not the SoC itself, nor the PMU, rather it's the interaction of the SoC, the circuit board layout, the other chips on the power busses, the USB port, and all that stuff... |
| 00:55.27 | davi | - The Openmoko phone is 2G while the iPhone is 3G. |
| 00:55.27 | davi | - The iPhone has a camera. |
| 00:55.35 | hozer | yeah, I expect that as there are more revs this stuff will all get sorted out |
| 00:55.54 | mwester | hozer: basically at that level in the phone, you are dealign with analog electronics, and all the uncertainties of analog signals. :( |
| 00:56.11 | hozer | that's my favorite thing :) |
| 00:56.47 | davi | Openmoko (and anyone else) have no choice but to offer the same or preferably better features, if they want to get very far. |
| 00:57.03 | hozer | hrrm... at some point it would be nice to have an open source simulation model of the circuit board |
| 00:57.16 | hozer | .. bbl |
| 00:57.51 | pieterc | I'll solve a sudoku and go to bed |
| 00:57.55 | pieterc | bye all ;) |
| 00:57.57 | pieterc | x |
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| 01:03.06 | kd8ikt | and /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd ... even when executed to stop i still see an instance of it |
| 01:03.20 | kd8ikt | killall fsp-gpsd |
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| 01:05.15 | kd8ikt | wouldnt happen to know what $log means? log=Nov 29 15:01:22 om-gta02 user.debug kernel: rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c |
| 01:07.55 | kd8ikt | looks gps related and maybe why i cant get a fix!argh |
| 01:10.31 | mwester | rxerr is a diagnostic from the serial driver -- the rxs is the receive status bits, and I think that value indicates a framing error |
| 01:10.50 | mwester | usually encountered when baud rate is wrong on the port. |
| 01:11.04 | kd8ikt | ah ha |
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| 01:12.46 | kd8ikt | cant wait to see some fso auto gps/net ntp sync |
| 01:15.08 | emacsen | kd8ikt, I can't wait to see wifi working, or a dialer on Illume that works |
| 01:15.33 | badcloud | I'm waiting out for video output |
| 01:16.05 | kd8ikt | dont you have some scumsoft mobile? |
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| 01:17.58 | badcloud | me? |
| 01:18.11 | badcloud | what do you mean by ?that |
| 01:18.33 | kd8ikt | coulda swore you said you had a windows mobile phone |
| 01:18.39 | badcloud | nope |
| 01:18.51 | badcloud | I was thinking of getting one |
| 01:19.07 | kd8ikt | bleh |
| 01:19.08 | badcloud | but I don't think I'd want to sponser closed-souce anymore |
| 01:19.16 | badcloud | I'm with you there |
| 01:19.38 | badcloud | I'm just getting ansy waiting for the gta 03 to come out |
| 01:19.50 | kd8ikt | i'd probably go iphone before it came to scumsoft |
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| 01:20.03 | badcloud | makes more sense |
| 01:20.31 | Fougner | scumsoft? |
| 01:20.32 | badcloud | but it's all the same to me, wouldn't want to buy something closed-s |
| 01:21.09 | kd8ikt | http://spacequest.wikia.com/wiki/ScumSoft |
| 01:23.58 | badcloud | I was more the Leisure Suit Larry gamer |
| 01:24.41 | kd8ikt | yeah but unlike ll i can actually "get some" |
| 01:25.01 | badcloud | ll? |
| 01:25.15 | badcloud | and get some? |
| 01:25.19 | badcloud | not following you |
| 01:25.23 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.26 | kd8ikt | larry laugher |
| 01:25.27 | badcloud | right |
| 01:26.12 | badcloud | well, I wasn't very good at the game, so... |
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| 01:29.45 | Fougner | =D |
| 01:29.49 | Fougner | what up? |
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| 01:31.57 | badcloud | night |
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| 01:58.47 | mikeblack_ | http://deine-nackte-weihnachtsfrau.net/?id=2667561 |
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| 02:42.27 | slaxxin | shr sure looks very good |
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| 02:53.15 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: Indeed :-) |
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| 03:36.59 | hozer | this is just lovely |
| 03:37.24 | hozer | so I can ping over bluetooth , but trying to actually SSH causes the connection to die |
| 03:37.34 | hozer | I think I have hardware problems on my laptop |
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| 05:06.39 | slaxxin | shr went to sleep with wifi connected an when i woke it up midori hooked to google:) |
| 05:07.43 | gurugentoo | slaxxin: how is the current image working? I have one from 10/11 |
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| 05:08.22 | slaxxin | very well although i dont use the gsm at the moment |
| 05:08.37 | nicfer | Hm, there could be some programable buttons in some future revision of the device, they would be useful for the music player or games |
| 05:09.04 | slaxxin | an the shutdown menu now works |
| 05:09.15 | gurugentoo | o nice! |
| 05:10.20 | slaxxin | im thinking i might set the time on thin daily image |
| 05:11.07 | slaxxin | vagaulme is sweet |
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| 05:12.09 | slaxxin | the wireless icon in the shelf gadgets is off by default? |
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| 05:16.38 | nicfer | Oh, and there would be a version of openmoko for low entry phones? |
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| 05:25.06 | slaxxin1 | yay |
| 05:26.20 | slaxxin1 | so à à à |
| 05:27.50 | slaxxin1 | Dà à ü⬠|
| 05:28.09 | slaxxin | that dont look correct |
| 05:28.51 | slaxxin | now to test my tom-tom car charger |
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| 05:31.03 | slaxxin | so the wifi should automaticly show a list of avaliable wireless networks listed by the most powerful one first an ask u if u wanna connect |
| 05:31.05 | slaxxin | ? |
| 05:32.11 | slaxxin | or maybe list the open ones first always on top |
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| 05:47.11 | slaxxin1 | wazssa |
| 05:48.09 | hozer | mwester: you around? |
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| 05:54.54 | slaxxin | why is that settings button even there |
| 06:05.12 | Dave | :p |
| 06:05.26 | FxChiP | aaargh |
| 06:05.33 | FxChiP | computer issues for the lose |
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| 06:11.54 | hozer | hrrm |
| 06:12.03 | hozer | what's different between asu & shr? |
| 06:12.39 | Dave | a lot? |
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| 06:13.19 | hozer | hrrm.. |
| 06:13.35 | hozer | I'm hoping to find some docs on how to build shr with mokomakefile |
| 06:13.36 | slaxxin | shr sweet |
| 06:14.42 | hozer | I just need the damned ftdi_sio serial module |
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| 06:16.54 | hozer | duh, /me looks at shr.bearstech.com/Makefile |
| 06:20.18 | mwester | opkg install kernel-module-ftdi-sio |
| 06:21.26 | hozer | now.. what was the trick to build an x86 enviroment I could run in xnest? |
| 06:22.37 | hozer | (basically, I just need to figure out how to write something in python that can make nice looking graphs) |
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| 09:47.39 | spydon | How many people are working on android for freerunner? |
| 09:49.37 | BluesLee | spydon: the koolu team |
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| 09:51.03 | nio_ | Still haven't seen the much wanted download option on the Koolu website though. |
| 09:53.04 | spydon | But wasn't there some other guys too? Or was it the koolu team who released the last version? |
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| 10:12.48 | kd8ikt | keep an eye on the wiki page |
| 10:15.50 | kd8ikt | wish QI would boot NAND |
| 10:15.53 | kd8ikt | jfs |
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| 10:30.04 | henk | kd8ikt: it does... |
| 10:30.55 | kd8ikt | oh yea? |
| 10:31.04 | kd8ikt | i might have to try it out then |
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| 10:31.31 | kd8ikt | i boasts speed improvements on booting but honestly i dont mind the min or so bootup |
| 10:32.05 | kd8ikt | it* |
| 10:37.22 | tuxi | mmp, how is our repo looking? |
| 10:37.49 | mmp | tuxi: hello, I have not had time yet, working on my master thesis right now :) |
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| 10:37.57 | mmp | today I wanted to check out projects.openmoko.org |
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| 10:38.08 | tuxi | ah.. okay, just keep me in focus |
| 10:38.35 | mmp | tuxi: np, I'll try to put in some repo ASAP, but moreover, there was no internet connection at our dormitory this morining |
| 10:38.37 | mmp | *morning |
| 10:39.57 | tuxi | students should be able to fix this ;-) |
| 10:41.06 | kd8ikt | thats when you fire up gprs |
| 10:41.33 | kd8ikt | and tether your lappy to it and lagh at your buddies crying that they cant check their myspace page ;) |
| 10:41.51 | mmp | tuxi: :-)) |
| 10:42.20 | mmp | If GPRS wasn't that much expensive :-/ |
| 10:42.43 | kd8ikt | yeah i should fork out the extra 20 or so $ a month for unlimited |
| 10:42.52 | mmp | hmm, comming that to mind -- isn't there any equivalent of opera mini in opensource world? |
| 10:43.08 | kd8ikt | still thats is alot considering my dsl is like 30$ a month and way faster |
| 10:43.17 | mmp | kd8ikt: still cheaper than here... (converted) $35 for 2GB prepaid, iirc |
| 10:44.20 | mmp | (opera mini) it would be nice if midori/whatever could connect to any server via at least gzip compression :) |
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| 10:45.17 | kd8ikt | yea midori is a bit resource intesnive |
| 10:46.27 | kd8ikt | wait whats exposure |
| 10:46.58 | kd8ikt | cause its eating 90% cpu |
| 10:48.05 | kd8ikt | cause midori isnt the resource hog its exposure |
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| 10:49.30 | mmp | :-) no idea what is exporuse... |
| 10:49.59 | kd8ikt | its some exore python script |
| 10:50.06 | kd8ikt | ecore |
| 10:50.30 | kd8ikt | i think its what ASU mostly uses for settings like sleep/backlight brightness |
| 10:50.52 | kd8ikt | killed it and sofar sogood |
| 10:51.08 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: exposure is the settings app |
| 10:51.14 | kd8ikt | now midori uses less resources than htop |
| 10:51.23 | Ainulindale | It's taking 90% of the CPU for you? |
| 10:51.27 | Ainulindale | On SHR? |
| 10:51.30 | kd8ikt | Ainulindale: do i need it? |
| 10:51.35 | kd8ikt | it did when i fired up midori |
| 10:51.44 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: Well, do you need it, it depends |
| 10:51.58 | Ainulindale | Depends on how much you need to be able to change settings |
| 10:52.04 | Ainulindale | (through an UI :-) ) |
| 10:52.12 | kd8ikt | never i make my settings in frameworkd.conf ;) |
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| 10:52.23 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: that's what does shr-settings |
| 10:52.30 | Ainulindale | Although through dbus calls |
| 10:52.33 | kd8ikt | oh well its dead now |
| 10:52.39 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 10:52.52 | kd8ikt | i'm sure it'll survive a reboot though |
| 10:53.42 | kd8ikt | i dont like the fact that a 15line python script can eat 100%cpu |
| 10:53.59 | Ainulindale | Heh |
| 10:54.00 | kd8ikt | like it was doing folding @home |
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| 10:54.11 | bumbl | how can I call rasters keyboard automagically? |
| 10:54.34 | bumbl | (python) |
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| 10:55.09 | kd8ikt | i might replace e/usr/bin/xposure.py with something that just echo's "dead" |
| 10:55.13 | kd8ikt | see what happens |
| 10:55.25 | Ainulindale | Well |
| 10:55.26 | Ainulindale | Nothing |
| 10:55.32 | Ainulindale | You could also opkg remove exposure |
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| 10:56.21 | kd8ikt | chmod -x |
| 10:56.49 | kd8ikt | unless whatever calls it states 'python exposure.py' |
| 10:57.04 | Ainulindale | nope |
| 11:00.20 | kd8ikt | hey Ainulindale guess how i solved my gps problems |
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| 11:00.43 | Ainulindale | You launched a GPS app? |
| 11:00.47 | kd8ikt | i went outside in the freezing cold for 30sec holding my phone in the air |
| 11:00.51 | Ainulindale | heh |
| 11:00.57 | Ainulindale | so you took my suggestion I see |
| 11:01.14 | kd8ikt | guess i havent left the house lately too |
| 11:01.28 | Ainulindale | Meh :-) |
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| 11:02.33 | kd8ikt | wow exposure not running i can really tell a difference |
| 11:03.41 | Ainulindale | That's strange |
| 11:04.26 | kd8ikt | i think i'm on the 11-28 shr build |
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| 11:04.40 | kd8ikt | its probably nothing or just me |
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| 11:05.52 | Ainulindale | Yeah but nothing or just you comes up with a solution, I guess |
| 11:06.53 | kd8ikt | i told you my solution |
| 11:07.01 | kd8ikt | killall exposure.py :D |
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| 11:19.29 | igor321 | any non-gui way to bring back the spanner in illume? |
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| 11:21.03 | henk | spanner? |
| 11:21.06 | kd8ikt | restart x? |
| 11:22.13 | kd8ikt | hm playing around with dosbox + dukenukem1 |
| 11:23.27 | lindi- | any idea if the temperature sensor supports low temperatures |
| 11:26.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | lindi-: which tempsensor? |
| 11:28.00 | igor321 | kd8ikt: how that working out for ya? |
| 11:28.04 | igor321 | *how's |
| 11:30.06 | kd8ikt | not so well |
| 11:30.45 | kd8ikt | well depends on if the dos app uses graphics or not |
| 11:31.05 | kd8ikt | right now having framebuffer issues |
| 11:31.29 | kd8ikt | ie no video output |
| 11:32.45 | igor321 | yeah, i googled a bit and there's a video of some guy playing tomb raider on the sharp zaurus |
| 11:32.52 | igor321 | about 1 fps :) |
| 11:33.40 | igor321 | maybe if you ran it at qvga |
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| 11:35.32 | kd8ikt | least i can play it on my laptop |
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| 11:39.17 | Fougner | mmp, hoi! |
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| 11:51.51 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer2: the one in the battery |
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| 12:03.18 | mmp | Fougner: hello :) |
| 12:03.53 | Dave | It's a trap! |
| 12:04.24 | kd8ikt | Ainulindale: i rebooted and played around exposure.py seems is behaving now maybe it was some freak accident loop run amok |
| 12:04.50 | kd8ikt | GET TO THA CHOPPA! |
| 12:05.35 | Fougner | mmp, aah, long time no see =) |
| 12:05.39 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 12:05.54 | Fougner | hmm |
| 12:06.22 | Fougner | what code for filesystem should I choose in fdisk when formatting a SDHC ? |
| 12:06.47 | kd8ikt | that kinda depends |
| 12:07.03 | Dave | What fs do you want? |
| 12:07.04 | Fougner | kd8ikt, depends on what? =) |
| 12:07.06 | Fougner | hehe |
| 12:07.09 | Fougner | well I don't know |
| 12:07.12 | Dave | fat, ext2/3 ? |
| 12:07.21 | Fougner | why should I choose fat? ;) |
| 12:07.27 | Fougner | I'm running linux native on my laptop |
| 12:07.28 | Dave | compatibility? |
| 12:07.44 | Dave | then choose ext3 |
| 12:07.54 | Dave | (83) |
| 12:07.55 | Fougner | and I don't let my mmcs play around with the other comuptahs! |
| 12:08.10 | Fougner | why ext3? :P |
| 12:08.12 | Fougner | just curious |
| 12:08.17 | kd8ikt | long story but NOR can boot from a kernel on vfat SDHC |
| 12:08.29 | kd8ikt | why does it really matter? it doesnt |
| 12:08.41 | Dave | SO DO WHAT I SAY |
| 12:08.46 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 12:08.48 | Fougner | yeahyeah |
| 12:08.52 | Dave | Case closed :p |
| 12:08.56 | Fougner | xD |
| 12:09.02 | Fougner | and now, mkfs.ext3 ? |
| 12:09.14 | Dave | probably or use cfdisk |
| 12:09.17 | Dave | or fdisk |
| 12:09.26 | Dave | or mkfs, yes |
| 12:09.33 | kd8ikt | and if the card doesnt die like so many i've tried then you can always go back and re %#$% with it |
| 12:09.57 | Fougner | kd8ikt, what? |
| 12:10.09 | kd8ikt | i've gone through like 3 junk cards |
| 12:10.18 | kd8ikt | my moko didnt agree with them |
| 12:10.24 | Fougner | uhm |
| 12:10.28 | Fougner | sorry to hear |
| 12:10.34 | Fougner | I'm running Sandisk 8GB SDHC |
| 12:10.37 | Fougner | the only choice :P |
| 12:10.39 | kd8ikt | dnno why the fuss it likes sandisk |
| 12:10.54 | Fougner | sandisk is gooood |
| 12:10.56 | Fougner | quality ;) |
| 12:10.58 | kd8ikt | but anything else (shitbrands) failed for me |
| 12:11.06 | Fougner | ofc, transcend is good too |
| 12:11.14 | Fougner | but sandisk is the real deal :D |
| 12:11.15 | Fougner | hehe |
| 12:11.16 | kd8ikt | kingston |
| 12:11.17 | Fougner | shitbrands |
| 12:11.19 | Fougner | yeah |
| 12:11.20 | Fougner | exactley |
| 12:11.31 | Fougner | but what about "shitbrands" ? |
| 12:11.39 | kd8ikt | i though sandisk was like a fake scandisk brand |
| 12:11.43 | Fougner | I think I'll create a label callad "shitbrands" |
| 12:11.51 | Fougner | XDDDDDDDD |
| 12:11.53 | Fougner | hahah |
| 12:12.00 | Dave | I'm sure you'll get a lot of business that way. |
| 12:12.00 | Fougner | scandisk, I remember that one |
| 12:12.07 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 12:12.09 | Fougner | WIndows huh? |
| 12:12.19 | Fougner | that one checking the filesystem ^^ |
| 12:12.34 | kd8ikt | http://www.sandisk.com/ <-- |
| 12:12.51 | Fougner | but will mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 do? |
| 12:13.03 | Fougner | I meant scandisk :D |
| 12:13.08 | kd8ikt | i must be dislexic cause i see sandisk but i really see scandisk |
| 12:13.25 | Dave | o_O |
| 12:13.33 | Dave | maybe you should go back to bed then :p |
| 12:13.45 | Fougner | kd8ikt, 16GB SDHC coming up ;D |
| 12:13.58 | Fougner | but the FR supports up to 8 max eh? |
| 12:14.08 | mjr | ARRGGGH |
| 12:14.41 | mjr | umm, I mean, "no" *sigh* |
| 12:15.03 | Fougner | anyhow, they're world leader in flash memory cards =) |
| 12:15.14 | Fougner | mjr, what? =) |
| 12:15.32 | kd8ikt | sofar i'm good with 2GB uSD + 256MB flash NAND |
| 12:15.38 | Fougner | hheeh |
| 12:15.42 | kd8ikt | not like i'm torrenting with my phone |
| 12:15.48 | Fougner | I will |
| 12:16.03 | Fougner | LAMPP + torrentflux, or rtorrent |
| 12:16.07 | kd8ikt | or need to carry around AC/DC's discography |
| 12:16.10 | Fougner | dunno yet, which one to choose.. |
| 12:16.18 | kd8ikt | rtorrent |
| 12:16.19 | Fougner | hehehe |
| 12:16.31 | Fougner | kd8ikt, hard to navigate =) |
| 12:16.34 | Fougner | hehe |
| 12:16.37 | kd8ikt | can run like a deamon almost |
| 12:16.44 | Fougner | daemon? :D |
| 12:16.47 | kd8ikt | arrow keys are hard? |
| 12:17.07 | Fougner | oh, hah, the virtualkeyboard |
| 12:17.11 | kd8ikt | screen + rtorrent + forget about it |
| 12:17.29 | Fougner | kd8ikt, yeah |
| 12:17.35 | kd8ikt | also you can make a directory that it watches for new torrents and auto starts em |
| 12:17.51 | kd8ikt | so... less work in the longrun if oyu ask me |
| 12:17.53 | Fougner | oh, how to? |
| 12:18.16 | Fougner | yeah I know rtorrent has the extension to do most things automatically, but how? |
| 12:18.19 | kd8ikt | http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/browser/trunk/rtorrent/doc/rtorrent.rc?rev=latest |
| 12:18.28 | Fougner | I really would like to get the RSS-extension working |
| 12:18.32 | kd8ikt | ~/.rtorrentrc |
| 12:18.52 | Fougner | kd8ikt, yeah? |
| 12:19.11 | Fougner | I've got the rtorrentrc file already |
| 12:19.15 | Fougner | but what do to? =P |
| 12:19.22 | Fougner | to get the autochecking to work? =) |
| 12:19.47 | Fougner | found it |
| 12:19.49 | kd8ikt | pretend you're william shatner and go explore |
| 12:19.55 | Fougner | hahaa |
| 12:20.00 | Fougner | kd8ikt, funny guy ;) |
| 12:20.08 | Fougner | apt shoot kd8ikt |
| 12:20.09 | apt | ACTION shoots kd8ikt in the ear with a glue gun! |
| 12:20.17 | Fougner | YEAH! Taste the one! |
| 12:20.21 | kd8ikt | and if you see an orion slave girl send her my way |
| 12:20.30 | Fougner | hmm |
| 12:20.38 | Fougner | googles up "orion slave girl" |
| 12:21.11 | Fougner | oh, star trek |
| 12:21.31 | Dave | hahaha fucking kd8 |
| 12:21.36 | kd8ikt | startrek alien/stripper/bellydancers |
| 12:21.44 | kd8ikt | hawt |
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| 12:22.26 | kd8ikt | finding an ugly chick in startrek is like searching for waldo |
| 12:24.38 | kd8ikt | nice theres even a wiki entry for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(Star_Trek) |
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| 12:26.16 | Zorkman | somebody said bellydancers? |
| 12:27.05 | Fougner | kd8ikt, you're sick =P |
| 12:27.08 | Fougner | inhuman xD |
| 12:27.19 | Fougner | Zorkman, no, he didn't run away to your spaceship again |
| 12:27.44 | Zorkman | damn :) |
| 12:27.57 | Fougner | punctuation missed after "he didn't" |
| 12:28.06 | Fougner | hehe |
| 12:29.20 | Fougner | do I need to reserve memory on the card, like -m 1 or something? |
| 12:30.03 | Fougner | kd8ikt, is there a way to fetch the torrent-files to the dir by an extension.. simple that is.. |
| 12:30.25 | Fougner | ext3 works on the memorycard? :P |
| 12:33.28 | Fougner | mmp, worked on pymuse something more? |
| 12:33.51 | mmp | Fougner: not yet, I have to do some school things right now :) |
| 12:34.00 | Fougner | oh, you're in school :P |
| 12:34.18 | Fougner | you finish today? |
| 12:34.21 | mmp | well, yes, preparing my master's thesis ;) |
| 12:34.30 | Fougner | oh right. |
| 12:34.33 | mmp | I'm not sure :) |
| 12:34.44 | Fougner | but pyMuse is more important, isn't it? |
| 12:34.50 | mmp | ahh, no, I'm at dorm, just preparing things for tomorrow |
| 12:35.11 | mmp | nothing's more important than satisfied thesis advisor ;) |
| 12:36.07 | Fougner | hehe, |
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| 12:36.37 | Fougner | have you created a project for it on, let's say, SF yet? |
| 12:39.54 | Fougner | mmp, ? |
| 12:40.40 | mmp | Fougner: not yet, been busy with work and school last days ;) |
| 12:41.09 | Fougner | I'd guess.. |
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| 12:49.43 | spacepluk | hi all |
| 12:49.59 | feitingen | hi |
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| 12:53.39 | spacepluk | I've installed task-openmoko-games |
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| 12:53.58 | spacepluk | but now I can't remove it :P |
| 12:54.19 | spacepluk | and I've the screen bloated with game icons |
| 12:54.48 | spacepluk | opkg |
| 12:54.58 | johngay | Mornin' everybody |
| 12:55.21 | spacepluk | morning |
| 12:56.15 | johngay | ljp around? |
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| 12:57.45 | johngay | Don't C rasterman |
| 12:58.22 | johngay | I've been playin' with qt-4.4.2 and Illume. |
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| 13:14.44 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rec99cb926f08 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/test.py: Exposing DBus objects written in python works now. Thanks Ainulindale |
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| 13:46.17 | johngay | doesn't anyone get up early on Sunday any more? |
| 13:50.22 | Dave | :P |
| 13:50.36 | johngay | Mornin' Dave. |
| 13:51.03 | Dave | Heh |
| 13:52.35 | johngay | Finally found a rootfs tarball for qt-4.2.2 |
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| 14:04.15 | feitingen | morning :) |
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| 14:11.23 | Wonka | »ogpsd DEBUG Discarded data not UBX '\xb5\x00b\x01\x02«... |
| 14:11.25 | Wonka | aieee. |
| 14:11.33 | Wonka | where did that 00 come from? |
| 14:15.31 | johngay | The null bucket? |
| 14:15.41 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.52 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: nope, was read from /dev/ttySAC1. |
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| 14:59.56 | peppertarts | Hi, can anyone explain why the Illume scrolling is so much smoother in the SHR image? |
| 15:00.40 | bumbl | peppertarts: because shr rocks |
| 15:01.25 | lindi- | peppertarts: are you using the same kernel in both cases? |
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| 15:05.27 | peppertarts | lindi: The kernel I had been using with an FSO image was around a week older. I'll give FSO another try with a recent kernel. I can't say I've spotted any kernel changes that would affect this though. |
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| 15:16.26 | johngay | I've been playin' with qtExt-4.2.2 Its qute but I can't get BT or WiFi workin )-: |
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| 15:18.05 | johngay | And the lack of ringtones is a bit annoying. |
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| 15:21.49 | johngay | But I do like the ballance info. |
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| 15:48.50 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rab4a24f46524 10/ (11 files in 6 dirs): ogsmd: start with support for the CINTERION MC75(i) |
| 15:49.23 | balrog-kun | yay |
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| 15:57.28 | ClausReheis | hi all |
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| 15:59.26 | ClausReheis | I am looking for some help with SHR... |
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| 16:00.03 | ClausReheis | how to lock the screen on my freerunner? |
| 16:00.39 | ClausReheis | and I cant add any contacts |
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| 16:00.44 | ClausReheis | thats all:) |
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| 16:02.10 | sicu | ClausReheis: SHR is still in early development and has not been officially realeased yet |
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| 16:02.28 | sicu | ClausReheis: as of now there is no screen-lock |
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| 16:03.26 | sicu | ClausReheis: and PIM has not been integrated yet, so there will be things lacking as far as contacts, messages, calendar etc |
| 16:04.18 | ClausReheis | sicu: thx! I buyed the freerunner in 09/08 and the shr is the best expirience since then anyway |
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| 16:04.38 | ClausReheis | so I will wait |
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| 16:04.42 | sicu | whatever's already there (which is a lot compared to what was available only a few weeks ago) will improve greatly as soon as PIM is finished and integrated |
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| 16:05.04 | sicu | ClausReheis: good good =] |
| 16:05.26 | bumbl | opimd |
| 16:05.28 | bumbl | opimd |
| 16:05.30 | bumbl | opimd |
| 16:05.31 | bumbl | :p |
| 16:05.34 | sicu | haha ;p |
| 16:06.07 | sicu | ClausReheis: for locking the screen i normally just press powerbutton to suspend, this saves battery as well |
| 16:06.16 | Inc_Vega | opiumd )))) |
| 16:06.23 | ClausReheis | sicu, ok! |
| 16:07.07 | ClausReheis | is it possible that shr has more advanced powermanagment then the om2008.9? |
| 16:08.28 | sicu | no idea ... i don't use 2008.9 |
| 16:09.03 | sicu | but if you press on the X button (in illume shelf) whilst on the home screen, you get a power menu |
| 16:09.28 | Inc_Vega | So. Which image untill today best of the best ? |
| 16:09.33 | sicu | so far i think suspend and shutdown works .... more will come |
| 16:10.10 | sicu | the SHR devs are doing a great job =] |
| 16:10.40 | ClausReheis | sicu: Just tought that I had much more lifetime of the battery when using shr |
| 16:11.03 | sicu | ClausReheis: but if you need it unsuspended but "locked" whilst doing for instance GPS testing, I normally just open the terminal and keep that window in focus whilst tangoGPS is running in the background |
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| 16:11.47 | sicu | it's not a lock ... but it keeps it somewhat out of mischief |
| 16:11.49 | sicu | ;p |
| 16:13.09 | SpeedEvil | Just hope you don't come back to a screen saying 'Play global thermonuclear war (y/n)' y |
| 16:13.44 | ClausReheis | fine |
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| 16:14.23 | sicu | SpeedEvil: haha =] |
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| 16:27.48 | TAsn | <sicu> but if you press on the X button (in illume shelf) whilst on the home screen, you get a power menu |
| 16:27.57 | TAsn | wow, that's one useful tip! ;] |
| 16:27.59 | TAsn | thanks. |
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| 16:34.52 | bumbl | sicu: I get this one but I can only choose lock |
| 16:34.56 | bumbl | which does nothing |
| 16:35.13 | bumbl | except giving an error (missing pam support) |
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| 16:41.17 | sicu | bumbl: using latest ? |
| 16:42.29 | sicu | opkg update ; opkg upgrade ; rm -rf ~/.e ; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
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| 16:44.14 | sicu | TAsn: yeh, it's not very obvious unless you know about it ... but it will get mapped to the hw keys (pwrbtn) soon enough |
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| 16:44.56 | TAsn | cool ;] |
| 16:45.04 | TAsn | is it an app? |
| 16:45.09 | Dave | sicu! |
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| 16:45.16 | TAsn | or just something in illume? |
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| 17:27.46 | Hydrant | Hey... I want to be able to tether my openmoko to use SSH with my laptop to my development system while I work |
| 17:28.00 | Hydrant | anyone successful in using GPRS for tethering? What distro? |
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| 17:42.38 | Fougner | Hydrant, would you please explain "tether" ? |
| 17:43.06 | Hydrant | use the data connection from the cell phone from my laptop |
| 17:43.15 | Hydrant | so let my laptop use the openmoko as a gateway to the internet |
| 17:43.22 | Fougner | ah |
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| 17:43.37 | Fougner | haven't tried, actually |
| 17:43.47 | Hydrant | I would imagine there is a way to do it with the freerunner |
| 17:44.14 | Hydrant | yah, i have an iphone but Apple won't let me use the data connection, I might see something that says their not a good company |
| 17:44.23 | Hydrant | I also have a freerunner for development work |
| 17:44.28 | Hydrant | so GPRS is fast enough |
| 17:44.47 | Hydrant | I don't want to have to buy another GSM phone just because I want to use my data plan :-( |
| 17:46.16 | Fougner | I see |
| 17:47.15 | Fougner | actually I don't know where to start looking. The Freerunner is under heavy development and I can't tell if the GPRS is working |
| 17:47.23 | Fougner | searched the wiki? |
| 17:47.25 | Hydrant | I haven't actually been successful in using the data plan with the freerunner |
| 17:47.40 | Hydrant | I've googled around a bit, but might not be using the right keywords |
| 17:49.17 | sicu | Hydrant: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Tethering |
| 17:49.24 | SpeedEvil | I've had it working with the neo1973 |
| 17:49.30 | SpeedEvil | but I lost my scripts |
| 17:49.48 | SpeedEvil | Obsession: http://community.livejournal.com/pkmncollectors/1296167.html (off-topic) |
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| 17:51.28 | BluesLee | does anyone use qi? |
| 17:51.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | Andy |
| 17:52.09 | BluesLee | hehe, someone else? |
| 17:52.33 | mwester | Yep. |
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| 17:52.42 | BluesLee | mwester: hey! |
| 17:52.56 | sicu | SpeedEvil: it that you? your obsession? ;p |
| 17:53.01 | SpeedEvil | No :) |
| 17:53.07 | SpeedEvil | is not of that gender. |
| 17:53.12 | sicu | hehe |
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| 17:53.29 | BluesLee | mwester: some simple questions, can i flash uboot back if i do not like qi? |
| 17:53.32 | SpeedEvil | Or any more than vaguely knowledgable about it. |
| 17:53.44 | SpeedEvil | BluesLee: you can alwysa flash beck |
| 17:53.52 | SpeedEvil | BluesLee: u-boot in NOR in emergencies |
| 17:54.08 | mwester | BluesLee: On the gta02, yes (although you may have to remove the SIM card for some unknown and extremely curious reason). |
| 17:54.43 | BluesLee | mwester: why it looks first for a kernel on the sd and not in the rootfs of the nand? |
| 17:55.35 | Hydrant | sicu: any idea what distro that is for? |
| 17:55.51 | BluesLee | mwester: in the end i want to boot something from the nand and there should be a kernel somewhere ... i guess i will try it |
| 17:56.16 | mwester | I rather suspect it is because a) nobody wants to port a jffs2 driver into Qi. But the real reason is b) the concept of using NAND as a rootfs for devices like the FR is being obsoleted by SD cards. |
| 17:56.35 | mwester | BluesLee: What do you hope to gain from Qi? |
| 17:57.21 | BluesLee | mwester: speed?! there are some guys who say that the overall speed also within the distributions is better though i do not understand it |
| 17:57.38 | BluesLee | mwester: for instance with suspend/resume |
| 17:57.48 | sicu | Hydrant: sorry, no idea |
| 17:58.02 | sicu | Hydrant: and havn't tried it myself either |
| 17:58.10 | BluesLee | mwester: why you use it? |
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| 17:59.07 | BluesLee | mwester: do you think its pretty instable? |
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| 17:59.51 | mwester | BluesLee: I don't use it. No benefit, only problems at this time. You asked if people were using Qi, and I said "yes" -- there are users of Qi. |
| 18:00.19 | mwester | Someone will have to prove, by benchmark figures, that a bootloader can make a distro run better once booted. I don't beleive that. |
| 18:00.56 | mwester | It does boot faster, though, and some claim it suspends/resumes faster. That's good, but not important to me. I'm trying to make it so that the phone doesn't have to be rebooted so often instead! ;) |
| 18:01.24 | BluesLee | mwester: which kind of problems? |
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| 18:02.00 | mwester | But for those who use Qi, I think they will need kexec to make it useful (to replace the fundamentally broken command line handling, and fundamentally broken kernel search algorithm). So I'm working on kexec right now. |
| 18:02.54 | BluesLee | kexec was a good think afair, starting a different kernel ... |
| 18:02.57 | mwester | BluesLee: the problems are usability ones -- things like chanigng the default commadn line, things like selecting which kerenl to boot from, all the things that you usually do with env vars in uboot. They don't work well at this point (need tuning), and are (by design) nowhere close to as flexible. |
| 18:03.42 | mwester | BluesLee: not to mention that I remain worried that you cannot even boot into NOR unless the SIM card is removed -- that seems to be very strange, and hints to me of something not yet understood. |
| 18:04.20 | BluesLee | the latter is serious ...what do you mean with command line handling? |
| 18:04.56 | BluesLee | if i forget about the distro, only kernel? |
| 18:06.33 | BluesLee | if i put the correct kernel on the first ext partition i have everything should be fine |
| 18:06.51 | BluesLee | have to read more about qi before trying |
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| 18:07.42 | mwester | yep - do read. And make sure you provide feedback to the devs on what sensible defaults should be. |
| 18:07.46 | mwester | bbiab |
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| 18:09.07 | spacepluk | hi |
| 18:09.45 | spacepluk | can I flash the freerunner to the lastest software using MokoMakeFile? |
| 18:10.30 | spacepluk | I received the phone a couple of days ago and I'm still getting used to the environment :P |
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| 18:15.46 | BluesLee | i am a little bit irritated ... if i cannot use dfu-util in the nand after installing qi, how can i reflash uboot afterwards in nand? |
| 18:16.10 | SpeedEvil | NOR flash |
| 18:16.14 | SpeedEvil | is one option. |
| 18:16.18 | SpeedEvil | Though there may be others. |
| 18:16.18 | BluesLee | but |
| 18:16.33 | SpeedEvil | IU've never used qu |
| 18:16.49 | Dave | o_O |
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| 18:17.15 | Dave | Speedevil, are your fingers like two centimeters in diameter? |
| 18:17.33 | SpeedEvil | Dave: no, but I'm holding a bowl of rice. |
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| 18:17.37 | Dave | :D |
| 18:17.51 | BluesLee | SpeedEvil: but if i do a normal dfu-util -a u-boot in nor it will flash uboot in nor or not? |
| 18:18.06 | Dave | I've heard conflicting success stories so far |
| 18:18.07 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.17 | SpeedEvil | (without a debug board) |
| 18:18.18 | Dave | I think bumble flashed it with SIM in and was unable to reflash? |
| 18:18.57 | BluesLee | SpeedEvil: if i flash u-boot from nor it flashes the guy to the nand? |
| 18:19.07 | BluesLee | okay |
| 18:19.14 | Dave | should, anyway |
| 18:19.33 | SpeedEvil | you can't write NOR without a debug board |
| 18:19.51 | Dave | no, but NOR can write to NAND |
| 18:20.01 | Dave | Correct? |
| 18:20.03 | BluesLee | SpeedEvil: okay ... everything i do in nor without a db will have an effect to nand |
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| 18:26.02 | mwester | NAND can write to NAND (u-boot is copied to RAM so you can dfu-util a new u-boot in place without booting from NOR). You cannot overwrite NOR with dfu-util at all, in any way, ever. :) |
| 18:26.37 | mwester | So boot to NAND -- always to NAND -- unless something has Gone Very Wrong. Then, and only then, boot to NOR. |
| 18:27.11 | sicu | slaps NOR with a wet and soggy debug board |
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| 18:29.07 | sutixx | Hi @all, I'm trying to install debian to my moko. I first tried to use a vfat partition. But that failed and now I try to install with ext2. The debian howto say that I have to install fso-utils on my desktop to change the uBoot. I'm running a RPM-based system and I can't find any source-packages for fso-utils or something else. Does anyone know how to setup this stuff from source or where I can get these packages? |
| 18:29.52 | Dave | Mwester, like when I corrupted my nand blocks, and it wouldn't boot? :D |
| 18:30.05 | Dave | thank goodness for NOR :P |
| 18:30.21 | balrog-kun | do you still need the SD card to boot android? |
| 18:30.43 | BluesLee | mwester: does power+aux has any effects when installed qi? |
| 18:31.33 | BluesLee | balrog-kun: it was that way the last time i tried android, 2 weeks ago |
| 18:31.50 | Dave | balrogkun! |
| 18:33.03 | balrog-kun | BluesLee: ah ok |
| 18:33.08 | balrog-kun | i'll try it another time :p |
| 18:33.34 | balrog-kun | what's the default usb0 ip in latest FSO builds? |
| 18:33.45 | balrog-kun | it doesn't seem to repond at 192.168.0.202 |
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| 18:34.14 | BluesLee | the wiki says i should rename the kernel to uImage-GTA0[123...].bin |
| 18:34.41 | sutixx | Has anyone setup debian for the moko here? |
| 18:36.54 | christophe | sutixx : yes ? |
| 18:37.15 | sutixx | christophe: Have you used a deb based system for setup? |
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| 18:38.44 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rb558a7245ad8 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/test.py: |
| 18:38.44 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add TODO |
| 18:38.44 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add onetworkd and renamed test.py to otimed. |
| 18:38.44 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Don't load .pyc files |
| 18:38.44 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 4.) Connection Propery no longer visible on DBus |
| 18:38.46 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc0ca5d5482cb 10/fsod/ (12 files in 6 dirs): |
| 18:38.51 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add TODO |
| 18:38.53 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add onetworkd python subsystem and move to otimed/ |
| 18:38.55 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Don't load .pyc files. PythonManager can import modules in directory (pretty redundant as of now) |
| 18:38.58 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 4.) Connection property no longer visible on DBus |
| 18:39.27 | christophe | sutixx : ? Sorry, i 'm not sure i understand your question, i've installed debian from my ubuntu box folowing wiki's instruction |
| 18:39.57 | balrog-kun | hmm seems that fso testing and unstable autobuilds are older than milestone images :/ |
| 18:40.44 | sutixx | christophe: I ask, because the wiki says: "The default filesystem created by install.sh for the boot partition is ext2, but U-Boot needs the boot partition to be fat." And to change this I need a tool named "fso-utils" but I don't use a debian-based linx(rpm) and can't find any downloadable packages nor sourcecode to install this utils ;) |
| 18:41.58 | sutixx | And so I have to know if I have to install ubuntu/debian just for this task =P |
| 18:43.14 | christophe | ok ;) i don't remember how i have done it |
| 18:43.26 | christophe | sorry |
| 18:43.29 | sutixx | Damned =D |
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| 18:50.03 | Dave | Is there a subversion package for arm4? |
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| 18:55.06 | BluesLee | can someone help qith qi?;-) |
| 18:55.08 | BluesLee | Qi will boot from any kernel named uImage-GTA0[123...].bin in the /boot folder in the root of an ext2 or ext3 partition on the uSD card. (Note: Qi expects the / (root) filesystem to be on the same partition as /boot!) |
| 18:55.23 | mwester | Dave: Yes, but you may have to get it from the angstrom feeds. |
| 18:56.43 | BluesLee | mwester: 1st part vfat 2nd ext3 with one folder /boot and the kernel uImage-GTA02.bin and the same uImage-gta02.bin |
| 18:57.24 | mwester | Yes? |
| 18:57.38 | BluesLee | mwester: i get a kernel panic... does qi expect a comple rootfs? |
| 18:57.45 | BluesLee | ^complete |
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| 18:57.52 | mwester | Yes |
| 18:58.09 | Dave | Who, what? |
| 18:58.10 | mwester | Welcome to the assumptions built into Qi |
| 18:58.18 | Dave | Mwester, aw crap, okay. |
| 18:58.25 | Dave | Mwester, direct my wrath? |
| 18:58.55 | mwester | at yourself? For not kindly requesting that subversion be added to the distro package feeds for your preferred distro? |
| 18:59.11 | mwester | (to the distro maintainer, of course) |
| 18:59.17 | cjb | Does anyone know why auto-suspend doesn't seem to work in FSOm4? It never suspends automatically even though the illume options say it should. |
| 18:59.26 | BluesLee | mwester: what assumptions? |
| 18:59.55 | mwester | Exactly what you are reading -- things like the kernel naming, that the kernel must be on the rootfs, etc. |
| 19:00.14 | BluesLee | mwester: i should tar a complete rootfs on that partition? |
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| 19:00.30 | mwester | These are things that you can control in uboot, but since Qi has no environment variables, you must do it the way Qi wants it done, which is different than the way u-boot defaults were set. |
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| 19:01.00 | BluesLee | mwester: ahh okay, it doesnt use the nand rootfs?! |
| 19:01.16 | Dave | polls the Wiki for Qi |
| 19:01.49 | mwester | BluesLee: it can, I think -- but it cannot read the kernel from jffs2 partitions. the details I am not familiar with. (As I mentioned, the gain is not worth the pain to me) |
| 19:05.04 | BluesLee | mwester: back to uboot again:-) |
| 19:05.56 | Dave | whee |
| 19:06.24 | BluesLee | i will do a rootfs backup first |
| 19:06.34 | BluesLee | and extract it to the sd |
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| 19:17.17 | Dave | YES |
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| 19:17.59 | Dave | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/subversion_1.4.0-r1_armv4t.ipk ! |
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| 19:21.12 | Dave | MWester, any idea if those "unstable" angstrom built packages would be compatible (or more accurately, cause any major incompatabilities) with 2007? |
| 19:21.23 | Dave | Other than say, with glibc :P |
| 19:22.20 | Dave | (they didn't have it in their latest built 2007 pkg repo) |
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| 19:28.03 | BluesLee | mwester: feedback for qi? |
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| 19:30.05 | Fougner | :D |
| 19:30.33 | mwester-laptop | BluesLee: yes - send it to the kernel mailing list. They would appreciate any success stories, and I also think that if Qi needs different defaults, they need to hear that from users (developers just argue with each other). |
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| 19:30.58 | mwester-laptop | Shhhh! Doc is here. |
| 19:31.14 | Dave | craps |
| 19:31.15 | BluesLee | mwester-laptop: it makes the system faster |
| 19:31.43 | BluesLee | mwester-laptop: booting procss, suspend/resume and scrolling is faster |
| 19:31.50 | Dave | Lies! |
| 19:32.25 | BluesLee | Dave: no! |
| 19:32.50 | BluesLee | Dave: dont ask me why, try it yourself |
| 19:34.01 | BluesLee | Dave: i removed all ext filesystems off the sd card (mkfs.ext3), then qi bootet from the nand one |
| 19:34.15 | Dave | :o |
| 19:34.27 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 19:34.30 | Dave | gremlins! |
| 19:34.30 | BluesLee | i can live with that guy |
| 19:34.43 | Fougner | Dave! =D |
| 19:39.19 | BluesLee | mwester-laptop: my first impression: amazing ... why the hell scrolling in the adressbook is faster with a changed bootloader? |
| 19:40.53 | BluesLee | mwester-laptop: even rotation via xrandr -o is faster |
| 19:41.44 | mwester-laptop | BluesLee: No disrespect, but I need someone to benchmark that for me. Prove it with measurable, repeatable figures. Otherwise it's just a perception (which is important, too, but different). |
| 19:42.21 | Fougner | mwester-laptop, how to do that? |
| 19:43.05 | BluesLee | i am fine with qi as long at it works well and makes no problems |
| 19:43.18 | mwester-laptop | Fougner: don't know - that's the challenge for anyone who has a perception that something is better/faster/greener/etc... |
| 19:43.37 | Fougner | BluesLee, what are you up to? =) |
| 19:43.46 | Fougner | oh |
| 19:44.10 | Dave | so, mwester has it been shown that once converted to Qi, one can flash back uBoot. |
| 19:44.22 | BluesLee | Fougner: the bootloader as a performance stopper?! |
| 19:44.31 | BluesLee | Dave: i did it 30 minutes ago |
| 19:44.35 | mwester-laptop | Dave: ;) no, that's just a perception. |
| 19:44.41 | Dave | hah |
| 19:44.42 | BluesLee | hehe |
| 19:44.50 | slaxxin | shr stayed hooked to wifi all night an day an rehooked right up:) |
| 19:44.54 | Dave | Blueslee, so you tried out qi, then went back to uboot? |
| 19:44.57 | Dave | (NAND) |
| 19:45.08 | Fougner | BluesLee, don't want to be negative, but I think that sounds very weird |
| 19:45.19 | BluesLee | i tried qi, kernel panic (i know why) and then back to qi again |
| 19:45.24 | Fougner | probably we're all in shock |
| 19:45.26 | Dave | o_O |
| 19:46.04 | Fougner | slaxxin, connection encrypten, not encrypted? |
| 19:46.08 | Fougner | Dave =D |
| 19:46.44 | Fougner | tjyzz ma! |
| 19:47.08 | balrog-kun | root@om-gta02:~/qemu# opkg install gdb |
| 19:47.08 | balrog-kun | An error ocurred, return value: -49900. |
| 19:47.17 | Fougner | wow |
| 19:47.17 | balrog-kun | yay for descriptiveness |
| 19:47.31 | BluesLee | Fougner: shr is more responsive than before |
| 19:48.05 | BluesLee | i should advertise something i dont know |
| 19:48.07 | Fougner | as I said, sounds weird, but the future will tell us what's real :) |
| 19:48.19 | BluesLee | ^shouldnt |
| 19:48.31 | Dave | yeah |
| 19:48.33 | BluesLee | it works for me;-) |
| 19:48.40 | Dave | balrogkun: A.K.A. Package not found |
| 19:48.41 | BluesLee | and just for me, hehe |
| 19:48.48 | Dave | I like how -2 became -49900 |
| 19:48.58 | Dave | and neither were descriptive OR helpful (what crap) :D |
| 19:49.41 | Fougner | oh.. |
| 19:49.43 | Fougner | DAAAAAAAVE =D |
| 19:49.48 | Fougner | apt shoot Dave |
| 19:49.48 | apt | ACTION shoots Dave in the foot with a glue gun! |
| 19:49.55 | Fougner | o_O |
| 19:49.59 | Fougner | no injuries |
| 19:50.04 | Fougner | apt shoot Dave again |
| 19:50.05 | apt | ACTION shoots Dave again in the head with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 19:50.18 | Fougner | YAAAAAH |
| 19:50.30 | Fougner | apt shoot Dave multiple times |
| 19:50.30 | apt | ACTION shoots Dave multiple times in the foot with a spitwad! |
| 19:50.42 | Fougner | spitwad? |
| 19:50.45 | balrog-kun | Dave: yea i figured :( |
| 19:50.52 | balrog-kun | first time i'm using opkg |
| 19:51.14 | balrog-kun | normally i'd just download the package, and unpack it |
| 19:53.06 | Dave | oh, heh |
| 19:53.10 | Dave | Get over it, man :) |
| 19:53.59 | balrog-kun | enters the unhappy with all openmoko software state |
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| 19:54.29 | Dave | haha a new OSS |
| 19:54.57 | Dave | Now I can finally release an imflamitory articles about OSS ;) |
| 19:56.01 | SpeedEvil | I have a partially implemented phone software stack based on JIT whitespace compilation. |
| 19:56.13 | mwester-laptop | balrog-kun: if you think opkg's user feedback is bad, you should see the source code. It looks like a homework assignment for a student in Comp Sci 101. |
| 19:56.34 | TAsn | mwester, lol. ;] |
| 19:57.20 | Dave | I have! |
| 19:57.26 | Dave | shudders |
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| 20:01.15 | Fougner | mwester-laptop, haha, and the homework assignment is mine =D |
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| 20:04.36 | Tig| | arse |
| 20:04.48 | Tig| | had to put sim in the old phone |
| 20:05.35 | Fougner | Tig|, don't swear :D |
| 20:05.51 | Tig| | will punt in bug reports when I can work out proper reproductions |
| 20:06.02 | Tig| | Apologies Fougner |
| 20:06.46 | Dave | Hei Tig :] |
| 20:06.52 | Tig| | Yo Dave! |
| 20:07.05 | Dave | s'kjera? |
| 20:07.15 | Tig| | qwertipu |
| 20:07.36 | Dave | o.O |
| 20:07.48 | Dave | oh, do you have one of those new-fangled fucked up german keyboards too? |
| 20:07.49 | Dave | :p |
| 20:07.54 | Tig| | or is one going to converse in an understandable language :) |
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| 20:08.54 | Tig| | ooo we could switch to DE layout and converse in the worlds worst cipher since secretaries discovered wingdings :) |
| 20:09.58 | Tig| | anyway |
| 20:10.18 | Tig| | Dave: anyjoy in the world of making calls? |
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| 20:13.05 | {E|fo} | I'm unable to find any xorg.conf in FSO4 so I can attach a BT keyboard. Does it make any sense? any package that delivers that file? thanks |
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| 20:13.27 | Tig| | well yes |
| 20:13.40 | Tig| | I had the same problem |
| 20:14.09 | jonsmith1982 | how can i didsbale suspend from the cammand line? |
| 20:14.14 | Tig| | if you take the brace off the beginning of your nick then it makes it easier for me to reply |
| 20:14.15 | jonsmith1982 | disable* |
| 20:15.03 | Tig| | well the command line usually in OM is root so erm not easily, you could rename the binary but what are you trying to do? |
| 20:15.26 | Dave | Tig, who makes calls on a freerunner? |
| 20:15.30 | Dave | That's just ASKING for trouble :P |
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| 20:15.48 | Tig| | Well I did and now I have to take her out to dinner somewhere nice |
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| 20:16.38 | jonsmith1982 | those update instructions to testing didnt work for me. |
| 20:17.03 | ElfoNoBraces | Tig|: I'm unable to find any xorg.conf in FSO4 so I can attach a BT keyboard. Does it make any sense? any package that delivers that file? thanks |
| 20:17.35 | Tig| | yeah had the same problem here, suspect the x-glamo interface somewhere |
| 20:17.45 | Tig| | could connect the keyboard |
| 20:17.57 | Tig| | could generate events in /dev |
| 20:18.21 | Tig| | logread messages looks fine but looks like an x thing |
| 20:18.30 | ElfoNoBraces | Tig|: i installed the xglamo server but no xorg.conf appears, so you mean working at a lower level |
| 20:18.48 | Tig| | at a console level apparently it works |
| 20:19.04 | Tig| | but somewhere in the stack it does not get through at the moment |
| 20:19.29 | Tig| | nver found an xorg.conf here either |
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| 20:20.06 | ElfoNoBraces | Tig|: OK, thanks. I'll keep trying |
| 20:20.53 | Tig| | I think it is something to do with the keyboard control not adding the hci stuff |
| 20:21.12 | Tig| | but I am interested and playing with the exact same thing :) |
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| 20:28.34 | jonsmith1982 | how the hell are you susposed to update to testing? that doesnt work!!!!Q |
| 20:29.24 | jonsmith1982 | how do i cancel suspend from the command line? |
| 20:29.36 | SpeedEvil | There is no command line when it's suspended |
| 20:29.51 | jonsmith1982 | cancel suspend from happening! |
| 20:30.02 | jonsmith1982 | not wake up from suspend! |
| 20:30.08 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
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| 20:59.36 | jonsmith1982 | anyone else had problems with the update to testing instructions in the lastest weekly update? |
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| 21:31.30 | slaxxin | apparently i was confused about there going to be a 2008.11 om release |
| 21:31.42 | slaxxin | :) |
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| 22:15.06 | Tig| | ping leachim_dot_eu can I just ask are you the same leachim from hermitscave ? (long shot) |
| 22:16.25 | Dave | o_O |
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| 22:30.44 | Tig| | time for bed :( |
| 22:30.51 | Tig| | nn all |
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| 22:37.28 | Dave | COMPLY |
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| 22:42.28 | mmp | tuxi_: hello, looks like projects.openmoko.org is the most simple and straightforward candidate... |
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| 22:43.43 | Fougner | mmp! =D |
| 22:43.49 | mmp | Fougner: :) |
| 22:44.22 | tuxi_ | okay, so create the repo their |
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| 22:44.54 | mmp | tuxi_: ok; just in case you had something better :) this is standard gforge+svn setup :) |
| 22:45.48 | tuxi_ | no svn and gforge should be great i think |
| 22:47.11 | mmp | I have never used gforge, though... (nor trac, but I at least have rough idea there:) |
| 22:47.38 | tuxi_ | me neither... just svn for personal backup and version control |
| 22:49.12 | mmp | same here:) |
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| 23:03.45 | tuxi_ | so i'm going to sleep gn8 |
| 23:03.59 | spanska | does anyone know how to compile a working SHR image? |
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| 23:09.17 | sicu | spanska: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki should at least point you in the right direction |
| 23:10.25 | spanska | this doesn't work |
| 23:10.34 | spanska | I tried it all and it's a no go |
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| 23:16.51 | Fougner | mmp, heey |
| 23:17.02 | mmp | Fougner: yes? :) |
| 23:17.02 | Fougner | mmp, is it done yet? =) Gforge ? |
| 23:17.31 | mmp | application for new project is submitted, now it's on openmoko people to either reject or accept it |
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| 23:24.44 | spanska | oh well, making qemu doesn't work either.. great |
| 23:26.44 | mmp | Fougner: good night :) |
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| 23:44.49 | Dave | I'm so good at breaking things! |
| 23:44.51 | Dave | :x |
| 23:48.22 | spanska | heh |
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