| 00:00.11 | Fougner | oh, write text at right place |
| 00:00.23 | Fougner | "left-to-right = play selected file" |
| 00:00.26 | mmp | if you are used to work with normal applications, this can be a bit difficult |
| 00:00.27 | Fougner | or something |
| 00:00.35 | mmp | Fougner: well, as I said, read README |
| 00:00.46 | mmp | (although I'll probably move the text to more visible place :) |
| 00:00.49 | Fougner | me not count |
| 00:00.59 | Fougner | I mean the "stupid people" |
| 00:01.00 | Fougner | ;) |
| 00:01.35 | mmp | Fougner: but still, I guess iPhone does something similar... (at least kinetic scrolling is from there for sure:) |
| 00:02.35 | Fougner | hmm, kinetic.. |
| 00:02.41 | Fougner | aw crap |
| 00:03.06 | Fougner | I can't remember the definition of that word in the physics.. |
| 00:03.33 | mmp | Fougner: do you have lots of files in playlist? (so you need to scroll) |
| 00:03.39 | Fougner | mmp, nope |
| 00:04.06 | Fougner | mmp, how can I get rid of the ssh session, to start pymuse with an icon ? |
| 00:04.10 | Fougner | on the FR |
| 00:04.15 | mmp | Fougner: kinetic energy is the energy, which every moving object posesses... |
| 00:04.18 | zash | create a .application |
| 00:04.23 | zash | or .desktop |
| 00:04.39 | mmp | Fougner: you need to create .desktop file (so far I have not included any, as this is even not application tarball) |
| 00:04.40 | Fougner | /usr/share/applications/ ? |
| 00:05.10 | mmp | Fougner: yes, for instance... |
| 00:05.26 | Fougner | I've tried it before, didn't get it to work.. |
| 00:05.33 | tuxi | yeha it should be an ipkg file |
| 00:05.51 | Fougner | neat little application actually |
| 00:06.01 | mmp | Fougner: you need to reload the applicatoin which manages your "home" screen |
| 00:06.13 | Fougner | mmp, reboot do that huh? =) |
| 00:06.16 | mmp | tuxi: there was no time for that, this application did not exist this monday :-) |
| 00:06.41 | mmp | Fougner: killall -HUP enlightenment |
| 00:06.45 | tuxi | oh.. so good work that far, haven't looked at the code yet but... |
| 00:06.50 | mmp | should do the job, I hope |
| 00:07.00 | mmp | tuxi: rather don't look at it |
| 00:07.04 | mmp | it's terribly ugly |
| 00:07.36 | Fougner | xD |
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| 00:08.03 | mmp | I wanted proof-of-concept (and also wanted to finally have some normal media player to listen music:), so I took rather quick approach |
| 00:08.08 | Fougner | mmp, the screen won't fade when I lock it |
| 00:08.27 | mmp | Fougner: hmm, weird -- it did for me... |
| 00:08.33 | Fougner | well |
| 00:08.41 | Fougner | it's connected to usb |
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| 00:08.53 | Fougner | maybe that's it.. |
| 00:10.02 | Fougner | Exec= what? |
| 00:10.24 | mmp | Fougner: path to pymuse.py |
| 00:12.18 | Fougner | wooooohoooooo |
| 00:12.30 | Fougner | I've got a working GPS, and audioplayer for christ sake! |
| 00:12.34 | Fougner | :D |
| 00:12.50 | Fougner | now I need to get stereophones working, then I'm saved.. |
| 00:12.55 | mmp | Fougner: well, the audio player works only for 20 minutes ;-( |
| 00:13.06 | mmp | (at least for me) |
| 00:13.21 | Fougner | whyy?:O |
| 00:13.30 | Fougner | friggin trail limited version =( |
| 00:13.31 | Fougner | trial* |
| 00:13.33 | mmp | Fougner: but if you need just headphones, just launch alsamixer and mute 'Spk Amp' |
| 00:13.46 | mmp | Fougner: :-)) well, I would rather if it would be that way... |
| 00:14.04 | mmp | some weird bug probably inside python-gstreamer bindings... |
| 00:14.26 | Fougner | grrr |
| 00:14.29 | mmp | gstreamer playbin just gets stucked after some amount of time |
| 00:14.37 | Fougner | fetches a hammer and a piece of wood |
| 00:14.46 | mmp | but try yourself, so far I tested it with only my distro and package versions |
| 00:14.59 | mmp | so it might be just my local problem |
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| 00:15.49 | Ainulindale | Fougner: so, is latest SHR working? |
| 00:16.13 | Fougner | Ainulindale, not as I wanted =P but it looked good |
| 00:16.19 | Fougner | I've reflashed back to FDOm |
| 00:16.20 | mmp | Fougner: "alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore" should get headphones working properly... |
| 00:16.21 | Ainulindale | And FYI, to make an application appear on the desktop |
| 00:16.24 | Ainulindale | You have to put a Category |
| 00:16.27 | Ainulindale | Office or something |
| 00:16.30 | Ainulindale | Why, not as youw anteD? |
| 00:16.31 | Fougner | yeah |
| 00:16.34 | Fougner | well |
| 00:16.36 | Ainulindale | s/uw a/u wa/ |
| 00:16.43 | Fougner | GPS, can't enable it easy |
| 00:16.54 | Ainulindale | What's this nonsense you're telling me about? |
| 00:17.02 | Ainulindale | GPS is autoenabled/disabled as soon as you're launching a GPS app |
| 00:17.03 | Fougner | oh, it's fixed? :P |
| 00:17.07 | Fougner | omg |
| 00:17.09 | Fougner | haha |
| 00:17.12 | Fougner | well |
| 00:17.15 | Ainulindale | That was that way from the st art! |
| 00:17.29 | Fougner | calm down :D |
| 00:17.35 | Ainulindale | I'm fcalm |
| 00:17.39 | Fougner | fetches some Coke for Ainulindale |
| 00:17.41 | Ainulindale | Just cold as hell |
| 00:18.01 | Fougner | Ainulindale, well, I don't like it.. =) |
| 00:18.15 | Ainulindale | You don't like what? |
| 00:18.16 | Fougner | you don't have Duke3D in SHR :) |
| 00:18.24 | Ainulindale | That doesn't mean a thing |
| 00:18.29 | Ainulindale | Give me the bb recipe and I'll put it there |
| 00:18.40 | Fougner | hahha |
| 00:18.41 | Ainulindale | As simple as that |
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| 00:19.59 | Fougner | Ainulindale, then I'll wait for the next release and try it out =D |
| 00:20.07 | Fougner | hehe |
| 00:20.14 | Ainulindale | So let me see |
| 00:20.27 | Ainulindale | You're not using SHR because there's no way to enable GPS, apart from launching application which use it |
| 00:20.27 | zash | http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/28/linux-hits-the-iphone/ |
| 00:20.30 | zash | suwheet |
| 00:20.35 | zash | now lets port openmoko to it! |
| 00:20.35 | Ainulindale | That's, well, kind of special |
| 00:20.44 | zash | "port" :D |
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| 00:23.05 | hozer | I have a GTA01, and I'm looking for a recent software build to start developing with again |
| 00:23.51 | mmp | Fougner: btw, if you find it usable enough, or you'll have any ideas how to improve the UI, just tell me; I'll be sitting here and also in README there is my de-spammed mail address... |
| 00:24.15 | hozer | is this pretty good? http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html ... I want to have something basic I can build kernels and run some sort of python apps with a GUI on |
| 00:24.32 | pieterc | hozer: i'd recommend shr |
| 00:25.08 | hozer | what's shr..? |
| 00:25.47 | Ainulindale | Stable Hybrid Release |
| 00:25.49 | Ainulindale | The community distro |
| 00:25.51 | Ainulindale | See the wiki |
| 00:25.53 | hozer | Ahhhh, okay |
| 00:26.00 | Tig| | tis rather lovely :) |
| 00:26.09 | hozer | last I looked the image download location was somewhat hard to find |
| 00:26.21 | Ainulindale | It's on the wiki too hozer |
| 00:26.25 | Ainulindale | And we didn't release anyway |
| 00:26.27 | Ainulindale | It's only preview |
| 00:26.47 | Tig| | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
| 00:26.58 | Ainulindale | By the way there's a shutdown menu now |
| 00:27.03 | Ainulindale | Though I didn't bind it to power yet |
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| 00:27.16 | Tig| | Ainulindale: where is it, I updated earlier |
| 00:27.27 | Ainulindale | On the home screen |
| 00:27.29 | Ainulindale | Click on the cross |
| 00:27.32 | hozer | heh, thanks.. so if I get the image installed, what's the fastest way to get a toolchain up so I can rebuild the kernel? |
| 00:27.42 | Ainulindale | hozer: There's no fast way |
| 00:27.57 | pieterc | if there was we weren't using linux;) |
| 00:28.03 | Ainulindale | hozer: there's instruction to build the image on the wiki (shr.bearstech.com/trac) |
| 00:28.16 | Ainulindale | You could forget about the image and use the bb recipe for the kernel |
| 00:28.39 | pieterc | http://www.vimeo.com/2373142 ==> the iphone video looks pretty cool running linux ;) |
| 00:29.32 | Fougner | Ainulindale, no, I don't use SHR because I thought I couldn't enable GPS easy.. but now you've enlightened me ;D |
| 00:29.52 | Ainulindale | So why don't you use it then? |
| 00:29.59 | Ainulindale | I'm interested in opinions |
| 00:30.25 | pieterc | me too actually ;) |
| 00:30.36 | Fougner | because I just reflashed FDOM a few hours ago, and I don't want to reflash it again, for the moment |
| 00:31.11 | pieterc | fair enough |
| 00:31.16 | Fougner | why use it just because it has the same features as FDOM, (for me, the features I use) |
| 00:31.27 | Fougner | ? * |
| 00:31.38 | Ainulindale | Because it doesn't have the same features |
| 00:31.38 | hozer | Ainulindale: does mokomakefile still work? (I have a build tree around from at least 6 months ago) |
| 00:31.44 | mmp | Ainulindale: does SHR have headset insertion detect? |
| 00:31.49 | Fougner | mmp, yes |
| 00:31.50 | Ainulindale | hozer: Then you should rebuild from scratch |
| 00:31.51 | Ainulindale | mmp: yes |
| 00:32.01 | Ainulindale | hozer: there's too many changes anyway |
| 00:32.07 | hozer | heheh |
| 00:32.17 | hozer | does mokomakefile build shr then? |
| 00:32.26 | tuxi | btw. anyone knows how to test the vibrate function, can i do any echo "1" > /dev/xy ? |
| 00:32.29 | Ainulindale | There's a specific version of it |
| 00:32.32 | mmp | well, if it has also gst-plugin-mad in its repository... :-) |
| 00:32.36 | Ainulindale | Though we patched some of our OE tree |
| 00:32.41 | hozer | cool, thanks |
| 00:32.47 | Ainulindale | mmp: it has, right now, though I should remove it |
| 00:33.07 | mmp | Ainulindale: hmm, rather move to some 'illegal' feed... |
| 00:33.21 | hozer | really wants to have 2 months to go redo the whole damn build system with nested mercurial repos |
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| 00:33.48 | mmp | not having mp3 decoder accessible without building own distro doesn't help that much... |
| 00:33.57 | Fougner | Ainulindale, how can I lock the screen in SHR? |
| 00:34.19 | Ainulindale | Using a key and/or a chainsaw |
| 00:34.29 | Ainulindale | I don't find any use to locking the screen when you can suspend |
| 00:34.41 | Ainulindale | And anyway, raster won't include anything right now to do that |
| 00:34.48 | Ainulindale | And I won't do something which will hog X |
| 00:34.57 | pieterc | mmp: who needs mp3 when there's ogg |
| 00:35.26 | tuxi | so i'm going to sleep gn8 everyone |
| 00:35.27 | mmp | pieterc: everyone who has mp3/ogg ratio higher than 10 :-) |
| 00:35.28 | Fougner | pieterc, a lot of us probably use mp3 as our "main" format |
| 00:35.33 | mmp | tuxi: night :) |
| 00:35.37 | slaxxin | what was the command after opkg upgrade rm -rf .e? |
| 00:35.43 | pieterc | i don't;) |
| 00:35.45 | hozer | is there any reason to upgrade uboot if it's realllly old? |
| 00:36.01 | pieterc | All my CD's i buy i put on my computer... in ogg ;) |
| 00:36.06 | pieterc | so the only format i got |
| 00:36.08 | pieterc | is ogg |
| 00:36.24 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: rm -rf ~/.e ; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 00:36.31 | slaxxin | ok |
| 00:36.34 | Fougner | well, all cds I "buy" come preencoded in mp3 =) |
| 00:36.47 | Ainulindale | mp3 is a deep evilness |
| 00:36.55 | Ainulindale | Mostly because it sucks |
| 00:36.58 | pieterc | :D |
| 00:37.04 | Ainulindale | Seriously |
| 00:37.09 | Fougner | well, it works for me =) |
| 00:37.11 | Ainulindale | Even in 320kbps it sounds awful here |
| 00:37.18 | Ainulindale | (on my home hifi setup) |
| 00:37.45 | Ainulindale | I used to joke a friend about high quality format |
| 00:37.47 | Fougner | I can admit it sounds like s*** on a , for instance, Bose-system |
| 00:37.48 | raster | Ainulindale: locking could be useful... if it alos suspends pretty soon after lokc too |
| 00:37.49 | Ainulindale | But now that I have a decent setup |
| 00:37.58 | Ainulindale | I can't listen mp3 |
| 00:37.59 | raster | and so on unsuspend u need a password/pin to use the phone |
| 00:38.01 | raster | :) |
| 00:38.06 | Ainulindale | raster: well then let us lock through dbus or something, god dammit =) |
| 00:38.42 | raster | i am not adding dbus calls to e right now |
| 00:38.45 | raster | lots of stuff to do |
| 00:38.46 | Ainulindale | raster: by the way |
| 00:38.47 | pieterc | maybe we should create a kind of hidden repositry with loads of ogg files;) |
| 00:38.50 | Fougner | Ainulindale, can I listen to music when FR's suspended? |
| 00:38.52 | Ainulindale | I packaged sysactions.conf as we talked about |
| 00:39.19 | Ainulindale | Fougner: Only if you've mastered psychich powers (level 42) |
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| 00:39.43 | raster | :) |
| 00:39.49 | Fougner | Ainulindale, oh gooood :D |
| 00:39.49 | Ainulindale | raster: Was saying |
| 00:39.53 | Ainulindale | Packaged that thing as we talked about |
| 00:39.54 | Ainulindale | It works nice |
| 00:40.03 | raster | as intended |
| 00:40.03 | Ainulindale | raster: If you're interested, the package is on our git |
| 00:40.04 | raster | :) |
| 00:40.09 | Ainulindale | With a suspend action for fso |
| 00:40.20 | Fougner | oh gosh I'm hungry |
| 00:40.21 | raster | i'll split out sysactions in my own e-wm packages |
| 00:40.31 | Ainulindale | raster: well I commited it on OE |
| 00:40.32 | raster | so all you do is have a replacement |
| 00:40.35 | raster | for now anyway |
| 00:40.40 | raster | aaah ok |
| 00:40.43 | Ainulindale | so it's already there anyway |
| 00:40.49 | Fougner | I hate that 2.5mm plug |
| 00:40.53 | Ainulindale | And I did a replacement locally :-) |
| 00:40.55 | raster | ten oe has your custom sysactions.conf |
| 00:40.59 | slaxxin | thes hutdown menu was a much needed improvment |
| 00:41.00 | Ainulindale | No |
| 00:41.00 | raster | aaah ok |
| 00:41.03 | Ainulindale | OE has your sysactions |
| 00:41.08 | Ainulindale | I just built a replacement locally for me |
| 00:41.08 | raster | cool |
| 00:41.13 | Ainulindale | Though I commited the package changes in OE |
| 00:41.14 | raster | my sysactions is useless for oe |
| 00:41.21 | raster | its upstream's that works fine for a laptop |
| 00:41.21 | Ainulindale | I know, but it's a sample one |
| 00:41.25 | raster | and "ubuntu" |
| 00:41.30 | raster | but oe is a different beast |
| 00:41.34 | Ainulindale | Well |
| 00:41.37 | Fougner | did someone mention ubuntu? =D |
| 00:41.37 | Ainulindale | You're a big boy |
| 00:41.41 | Ainulindale | I'll let you change it :-) |
| 00:41.47 | raster | i can deal with it |
| 00:41.48 | raster | :) |
| 00:41.55 | raster | and yes locking i know is useless atm |
| 00:42.05 | raster | until its actually useful i see no reason to think about dbus calls |
| 00:42.09 | raster | got a lot to do... |
| 00:42.12 | Ainulindale | raster: Though now, my last wondering is how to have these keystrokes for power |
| 00:42.26 | Ainulindale | To bind this event |
| 00:42.27 | raster | the keystrokes should work |
| 00:42.32 | raster | no x app can use a hw button |
| 00:42.33 | Ainulindale | Well here they don't |
| 00:42.37 | raster | in any way |
| 00:42.42 | Ainulindale | Hmmm |
| 00:42.45 | Ainulindale | So no bind to power? |
| 00:43.01 | raster | apps cant get x key press eventson a button press |
| 00:43.05 | raster | at all |
| 00:43.11 | raster | so they have no idea buttons exist |
| 00:43.15 | raster | as in effect they dont |
| 00:43.41 | Ainulindale | I'm afraid I can't understand you anymore |
| 00:43.54 | Ainulindale | Some hours ago you were talking to me about keystrokes |
| 00:43.58 | Ainulindale | And now you tell me it's not feasible :-) |
| 00:44.29 | hozer | seat-keyboard interface error: dfu-util works better when actually run as root |
| 00:44.55 | raster | no |
| 00:44.57 | raster | it is possible |
| 00:45.05 | Fougner | ls |
| 00:45.07 | raster | *IF* x were to deliver keystrokes |
| 00:45.08 | Fougner | :D |
| 00:45.10 | raster | right now it doesnt |
| 00:45.11 | raster | thus |
| 00:45.19 | raster | x apps cannto do anything if you press a button |
| 00:45.21 | Fougner | cat /apt |
| 00:45.34 | Fougner | cat /mmp |
| 00:45.36 | Fougner | :D |
| 00:45.39 | Ainulindale | raster: so what should we/I do? |
| 00:45.45 | raster | (they have to go behind x's back and open /sys/* files or rely on side-channel dbus signals that is just wrong to do that way) |
| 00:45.54 | raster | x should produce keystrokes on button presses |
| 00:46.02 | raster | right now its 2 buttons on an fr |
| 00:46.06 | raster | and in future u may have more |
| 00:46.16 | raster | like volume +/- buttons |
| 00:46.18 | raster | and so on |
| 00:46.21 | Fougner | yeaaaaaaaah |
| 00:46.23 | Fougner | I hope so |
| 00:46.24 | raster | who knows it could be a treao650 |
| 00:46.29 | raster | with a whole qwerty kbd |
| 00:46.30 | raster | etc. |
| 00:46.38 | raster | but the point is |
| 00:46.46 | raster | if its some butotn/key thing you can press and release |
| 00:46.50 | raster | it should be a key |
| 00:47.06 | hozer | is looking for a source for a pre-made USB cable that can supply power the neo and a device (like, say a frogpad), and put the neo in usb-host mode |
| 00:47.07 | Ainulindale | raster: that doesn't answer my question |
| 00:47.08 | Ainulindale | raster: so what should we/I do? |
| 00:47.14 | Tig| | hang on 2007 could see the hardware button |
| 00:47.15 | raster | (or possibly a mouse button though that doesnt make much sense as the buttons are not attached to the input device - eg mouse or stylus) |
| 00:47.22 | Ainulindale | Which thing do I have to dig through to fix this? :-) |
| 00:47.26 | raster | Ainulindale: find out why x is not delivering key events |
| 00:47.38 | Ainulindale | raster: Ok I'll ask Lassie |
| 00:47.39 | raster | what is missing from om's 2008.x xglamo packages and oe's xglamo |
| 00:47.45 | Ainulindale | Or Hörst Tappert |
| 00:47.48 | raster | or maybe kernel patches missing |
| 00:47.49 | raster | not sure |
| 00:47.55 | raster | i havent looked |
| 00:48.09 | hozer | did the 2007 stuff make the buttons some sort of HID device? |
| 00:48.21 | hozer | I guess I could have looked but I just reflashed :) |
| 00:49.32 | Tig| | right night all I have to be up early :( ttfn |
| 00:50.53 | hozer | hrrm... How crazy would I be if I wanted to be able to write python-wxwidgets code and be able to run it on openmoko? |
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| 00:52.08 | Fougner | hozer, depends.. if you can write python or not |
| 00:52.11 | Fougner | =D |
| 00:52.25 | mmp | hozer: I use pygtk and it runs pretty well; but wxwidgets a bit heavier :-) |
| 00:52.35 | hozer | HAH |
| 00:52.50 | hozer | wx has a nice set of chart/graph stuff |
| 00:52.57 | mmp | Ainulindale: i'm just looking on SHR images; but I see only neo1973 build -- are there also some FR ones? |
| 00:53.14 | Fougner | mmp, the GTA02 is in the neo1973 diraectory |
| 00:53.37 | mmp | ahh, I got confused :) |
| 00:53.41 | Fougner | )= |
| 00:53.42 | Fougner | =)* |
| 00:53.43 | mmp | Fougner: thanks :) |
| 00:54.00 | hozer | I would like to port my quick and dirty 'graph the laptop power consumption' app to OM |
| 00:54.02 | hozer | http://grid.coop/powerdemo.html |
| 00:54.20 | Fougner | hehe, no, I'm not the one to thank |
| 00:54.33 | Fougner | mmp, thank YOU, for the pyMuse :D |
| 00:54.58 | mmp | Fougner: np, I hope I'll improve it a lot next days... |
| 00:55.12 | mmp | maybe once it will be mature enough to be included in some repository |
| 00:55.21 | Fougner | hozer, I doubt the FR will consume as much as 5w :D |
| 00:55.30 | Fougner | oh, and 2GHz on the FR... whatta drea |
| 00:55.31 | hozer | heheh |
| 00:55.31 | Fougner | m |
| 00:55.51 | hozer | ugh, I think I missed an erase step here.. |
| 00:56.10 | hozer | I am getting seemingly infinite 'jffs2_scan_eraseblock' messages |
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| 01:00.57 | slaxxin | why are there still icons missing in shr? |
| 01:01.30 | Ainulindale | Did you choose the illume SHR profile? |
| 01:01.42 | slaxxin | am now |
| 01:02.07 | Ainulindale | Then all icons should be there |
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| 01:02.29 | mmp | hmm, I'll go offline; if someone other found anything worth mentioning on pymuse, please e-mail me :) |
| 01:02.46 | Fougner | mmp |
| 01:02.48 | Fougner | :D |
| 01:03.13 | Fougner | MMP is short for MusicMediaPlayer |
| 01:03.39 | mmp | :-)) not that much (but that was one suggestion for the name:) |
| 01:05.04 | hozer | blah, seems like I needed "nand erase rootfs" |
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| 01:08.01 | mokel | with fso 4.1 image i cannot import a wallpaper. any idea? |
| 01:08.25 | Fougner | haha |
| 01:08.37 | mokel | ? |
| 01:08.38 | Fougner | well, I'll email you if I can contribute with something |
| 01:08.47 | Fougner | mmp above |
| 01:08.56 | Fougner | mokel, sorry, didn't laugh at you |
| 01:09.00 | mokel | oh, ok |
| 01:09.02 | mokel | :) |
| 01:09.05 | Fougner | :) |
| 01:09.09 | mmp | Fougner: ok, for sure :) |
| 01:09.12 | Fougner | ;) |
| 01:09.32 | Fougner | I hope GTA03 will have 3.5mm plug |
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| 01:11.17 | hozer | waits for another flash run |
| 01:12.23 | hozer | Fougner: do you have any idea if there are ways to get the current coming in the USB port? |
| 01:13.55 | Fougner | hozer, why do you ask me? =P |
| 01:14.14 | Fougner | yeah, take a currentmeter and stick in there :D |
| 01:15.34 | hozer | hah |
| 01:15.59 | hozer | dammit. I am still getting infinite jffs2_eraseblock errors |
| 01:16.56 | hozer | grrrrrrr |
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| 01:17.09 | Fougner | hehe, oh |
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| 01:19.21 | Fougner | :O |
| 01:19.22 | Fougner | mmp |
| 01:19.31 | Fougner | good morning :D |
| 01:19.51 | balrog-k1n | hozer: sounds like flashing a gta02 image to a gta01 or the other way |
| 01:19.56 | mmp | Ainulindale: hello, I just noticed; why does bluetooth script of SHR image write "Checking for builtin Bluetooth: no" ? |
| 01:20.05 | mmp | Fougner: just found one strange thing :) |
| 01:20.43 | Fougner | mmp, heh |
| 01:20.44 | Fougner | okay |
| 01:21.00 | hozer | hrrm |
| 01:21.04 | mokel | got it - to change the wallpaper you have edje-tools to be installed ^^ |
| 01:21.08 | hozer | balrog-k1n: I seem to have got the kernel right |
| 01:21.22 | hozer | BAH |
| 01:21.31 | hozer | gta02.jffs2 |
| 01:21.50 | mmp | 'night again :-) |
| 01:23.47 | balrog-k1n | the kernel, if wrong, wouldn't print any errors (only to the debug board port) |
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| 01:31.51 | hozer | what does this mean? |
| 01:31.54 | hozer | Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 |
| 01:31.54 | hozer | dfuIDLE, continuing |
| 01:31.54 | hozer | Transfer Size = 0x1000 |
| 01:31.54 | hozer | bytes_per_hash=1110507 |
| 01:31.54 | hozer | Starting download: [#dfu_download error -110 |
| 01:31.55 | hozer | Error during download |
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| 01:34.44 | Dave | Yeah, try again, hozer. |
| 01:35.12 | balrog-k1n | hozer: for me that meant either bad cable or partition too small |
| 01:38.04 | Dave | or like the openmoko8ball said, Please try again :) |
| 01:38.41 | pieterc | hey, i've just wrote a page about gnuboy on the wiki |
| 01:38.52 | pieterc | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gnuboy |
| 01:41.48 | pieterc | what do you think? |
| 01:42.54 | Dave | holy shit, apparently having several thousand long email threads in gmail isn't a good thing. |
| 01:45.00 | hozer | heh.. it meant "plug your damn laptop in , the battery is dead" |
| 01:47.45 | pieterc | linux should be more to the pount sometimes ;) |
| 01:49.36 | hozer | much better. Now I need a USB-miniB to USB-miniB cable |
| 01:50.19 | hozer | whooo! booting! |
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| 01:55.28 | hozer | um |
| 01:55.35 | hozer | how do I get a keyboard in the terminal now? ;) |
| 02:01.30 | hozer | learns the new keyboard |
| 02:01.43 | Dave | :D |
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| 02:16.13 | roh | hihi |
| 02:16.14 | roh | http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/2008/11/linux-on-iphone.html |
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| 02:24.47 | calamarz | hi there |
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| 02:27.29 | calamarz | i've just flashed SHR and I was wondering why i'm not asked for the PIN... |
| 02:27.35 | calamarz | any hints? |
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| 02:46.42 | Fougner | :D |
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| 02:48.18 | Fougner | Dave! :D |
| 02:52.51 | slaxxin | an the latest on 2008.11 |
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| 02:56.36 | slaxxin | Dave must have wondered off somehow |
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| 03:03.35 | Fougner | slaxxin, yeah, ahah probably.. what about the latest 2008.11 ? =) |
| 03:04.07 | Dave | 2010.14? |
| 03:04.38 | slaxxin | thats what i wanna know cause theres only a few days left |
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| 03:05.15 | balrog-k1n | 2008.11 will be release in Q4 of 2010 |
| 03:05.30 | balrog-k1n | 2010.14 is scheduled for 2019 |
| 03:05.31 | fredrin1 | lol |
| 03:08.20 | Fougner | hahaha' |
| 03:08.21 | Fougner | wtf |
| 03:08.27 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 03:08.30 | Fougner | DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE =D |
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| 03:10.24 | balrog-k1n | don't shout at Dave |
| 03:10.33 | balrog-k1n | only i can shout at Dave |
| 03:12.00 | Fougner | balrog-k1n, nooooooo |
| 03:12.09 | balrog-k1n | :P |
| 03:12.23 | Fougner | I can shout at Dave too =) |
| 03:12.50 | balrog-k1n | how much will you pay me? |
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| 03:20.38 | Fougner | balrog-k1n, whooooaaaaaat? :o |
| 03:26.22 | slaxxin | maybe im on a wild goose chase |
| 03:29.16 | Fougner | what? :D |
| 03:31.27 | Dave | balrogkun, I believe Fougner now owes you $15 now :P |
| 03:34.00 | Fougner | :D |
| 03:34.00 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 03:34.00 | Fougner | my love =P |
| 03:34.00 | Fougner | whaat up? |
| 03:34.00 | Dave | o_O |
| 03:34.01 | Fougner | haha |
| 03:34.01 | Fougner | o-O |
| 03:34.02 | Fougner | o_O |
| 03:34.04 | Fougner | * |
| 03:38.55 | hozer | so, now that I have .. shr-20081128 installed |
| 03:39.14 | hozer | how do I get gps on a gta01 working? |
| 03:39.56 | Dave | gllin |
| 03:40.36 | Dave | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsd#GPS_on_GTA01 |
| 03:40.44 | Dave | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin |
| 03:41.37 | slaxxin | the Well of Information |
| 03:41.53 | Dave | Affirmative. |
| 03:42.08 | slaxxin | mt shr is acting up |
| 03:42.31 | slaxxin | my new shutdown menu dont work |
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| 03:42.47 | Dave | :D |
| 03:42.51 | Dave | dude it's like pre-alpha |
| 03:42.54 | Dave | take a chill pill |
| 03:43.00 | slaxxin | aint it cool |
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| 03:48.38 | hozer | hrrm |
| 03:48.46 | hozer | so using a decent USB cable helps things |
| 03:51.34 | hozer | has anyone played with ipv6 on the neo? |
| 03:52.40 | slaxxin | dave would u help me with this error installing debian? |
| 03:52.44 | slaxxin | Because dpkg, the Debian package manager, does not support non-POSIX |
| 03:52.44 | slaxxin | filesystems, |
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| 03:56.33 | hozer | slaxxin: what's it doing? |
| 03:58.15 | Fougner | :D |
| 03:58.19 | Fougner | g8n |
| 04:01.02 | Dave | slaxin, such as? |
| 04:02.59 | slaxxin | i try to use |
| 04:03.12 | slaxxin | SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all |
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| 04:03.45 | slaxxin | an i get these non-posix filesystem warnings |
| 04:04.06 | slaxxin | about 8-10 times during the install |
| 04:05.18 | slaxxin | http://pastebin.com/m2ddb2c96 |
| 04:06.01 | Dave | sweet |
| 04:06.10 | Dave | I take it that it ultimately fails? |
| 04:06.35 | slaxxin | yes upon reboot it cant find kernel |
| 04:07.00 | slaxxin | prolly because its not installed maybe/ |
| 04:07.18 | slaxxin | do i need a newer uboot? |
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| 04:11.50 | hozer | oh lovely |
| 04:11.56 | hozer | I am out of space apparently |
| 04:12.01 | hozer | and can't install gllin |
| 04:12.06 | Dave | shit |
| 04:12.10 | Dave | make space? :) |
| 04:12.23 | hozer | -sh: make: not found |
| 04:12.26 | hozer | :P |
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| 04:12.51 | hozer | needs to remember where the hell he put is sdhc card |
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| 04:15.02 | Dave | YES YOU DO |
| 04:17.46 | hozer | !!!!! GPS !!!! |
| 04:18.09 | hozer | I have 2 satellites! (Sorry, this is the first time I've tried this) |
| 04:19.43 | Dave | :D |
| 04:19.48 | Dave | BE SUPER EXCITED! |
| 04:20.05 | hozer | so when does it actually start telling me lat/long |
| 04:20.28 | joerg_42 | next day :) |
| 04:20.46 | Dave | :D |
| 04:20.52 | Dave | hozer, it needs to get a fix first |
| 04:20.53 | Dave | be patient |
| 04:21.00 | hozer | noooOOOOO ;) |
| 04:21.02 | Dave | usually after it locks onto 3 or 4 |
| 04:21.09 | hozer | hey! |
| 04:21.17 | joerg_42 | LOCKS |
| 04:21.23 | hozer | 282m |
| 04:22.33 | hozer | I am so not going 3.3km/h :P |
| 04:22.45 | Dave | :D |
| 04:22.57 | Dave | yeah with the freerunner it's rather self-satisfying as we've found to programmers |
| 04:23.00 | kd8ikt | funny my gps seems to be broke |
| 04:23.18 | Dave | as it will tell them they've gone five miles, after just an hour of sitting there on their chair |
| 04:23.21 | Dave | ;p |
| 04:23.30 | hozer | and it's .. like.. *mostly* all open source even |
| 04:23.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | fitness program :-) |
| 04:23.47 | hozer | my stupid treo has some sort of GPS or something in it and I can't do jack with it |
| 04:24.28 | Dave | :P |
| 04:24.31 | Dave | sucks, right? |
| 04:24.37 | Dave | whoa, you have a treo, hozer? :D |
| 04:25.13 | hozer | 755p |
| 04:27.52 | slaxxin | dave wants to break it |
| 04:28.18 | hozer | are you wanting to linuxifize a treo? |
| 04:29.55 | hozer | well dammit. I'm just gonna have to get data service for neo again now that it actually does something ;) |
| 04:30.10 | Dave | Install enlightenment/illume on it! |
| 04:30.26 | Dave | your treo that is :) |
| 04:30.35 | Dave | works great! |
| 04:30.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | hozer: may try to bt into your neighbour's cellphone |
| 04:31.06 | Dave | woot |
| 04:31.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | hozer: free dataservice ;-D |
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| 04:34.18 | hozer | does the gta01 have BT? |
| 04:34.38 | hozer | I can do something disgusting and use my verizon treo's BT |
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| 04:36.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | last time I looked at one, it had IIRC |
| 04:37.22 | mwester | it does. and it works, too. |
| 04:37.32 | hozer | hrrm.. and I probably have to turn it on somehow too |
| 04:37.49 | mwester | you need to install gllin |
| 04:37.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | might help |
| 04:38.02 | hozer | um, for the BT? |
| 04:38.11 | hozer | gllin is installed |
| 04:38.30 | FxChiP | http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/2008/11/linux-on-iphone.html |
| 04:38.34 | FxChiP | Not entirely relevant, but |
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| 04:41.35 | hozer | great.. opkg is giving me "Could not obtain administrative lock" |
| 04:43.26 | Dave | VERIZON? |
| 04:43.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | google is your friend |
| 04:43.30 | kd8ikt | somethin else is runnin |
| 04:44.05 | kd8ikt | screwverizon |
| 04:44.09 | hozer | DocScrutinizer2: yeah, but it's easier to annoy all of you with it first ;) |
| 04:44.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | sure, but I'm not much of a help |
| 04:45.02 | FxChiP | wait |
| 04:45.03 | FxChiP | what |
| 04:45.06 | FxChiP | What's this about Verizon? |
| 04:45.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | just know theres been sth similar |
| 04:45.24 | hozer | I have a verizon treo, and someone seems to object ;) |
| 04:46.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | you need to kill a process IIRC |
| 04:47.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah, just google it |
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| 04:48.30 | hozer | well |
| 04:48.41 | hozer | I ran out of space while installing and something is borked |
| 04:48.43 | Dave | hahahahahha |
| 04:48.52 | Dave | You have similarly woken the Fxchip! |
| 04:48.53 | Dave | :D |
| 04:49.06 | Dave | hozer, cocoboot ftw!? :D |
| 04:49.44 | FxChiP | Verizon treo? Damn. |
| 04:51.16 | Dave | tentacool |
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| 04:59.47 | Dave | So, how 'bout that AT&T, huh Fxchip? :P |
| 05:00.10 | hozer | is there any provider fxchip likes? |
| 05:01.51 | FxChiP | T-Mobile |
| 05:01.56 | FxChiP | ftw |
| 05:02.13 | hozer | finds Iowa Wireless to be pretty nice |
| 05:02.32 | hozer | except that's bascially T-mobile |
| 05:03.06 | kd8ikt | wow |
| 05:03.16 | kd8ikt | thankyou openmoko-agpsui |
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| 05:03.54 | kd8ikt | dunno how or why but it makes the pain go away |
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| 05:10.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | kd8ikt: simple. Guss it reads efem and alm from internet |
| 05:11.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | *GuEss |
| 05:11.53 | hozer | um, okay |
| 05:12.04 | hozer | how the hell do I make a graph/chart with python-etk? |
| 05:12.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | runs. maybe prepare coffee? |
| 05:15.28 | kd8ikt | but i dont think it does |
| 05:15.48 | kd8ikt | framework is working on it |
| 05:16.13 | hozer | hrrm.. who/what is framework? |
| 05:16.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | well, at least the "a" suggests it does |
| 05:16.51 | kd8ikt | freesmartphone |
| 05:17.02 | hozer | ah, cool |
| 05:17.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | aka FSO |
| 05:19.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | kd8ikt: of course it can/should do other tricks as well. Like storing efem/alm and then restoring it to ublox on next chip startup |
| 05:20.23 | kd8ikt | you can do thaqt? |
| 05:21.01 | kd8ikt | i need an antenna |
| 05:21.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | kd8ikt: have a 100y ephem table to look up efem for your supposed positionand tod |
| 05:21.59 | kd8ikt | 100y? |
| 05:22.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | make that 20 |
| 05:22.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | nevermind |
| 05:22.46 | kd8ikt | hours? |
| 05:23.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | duh? why that? you can easily predict position of sats for much more into the future |
| 05:24.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | of course with increasing error |
| 05:25.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | don't even need a table. it's a few "simple" equations |
| 05:26.23 | kd8ikt | then why the fudge isnt it working |
| 05:26.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | take a grain of salt with that, had no coffee yet today |
| 05:28.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | btw: my N810 and my OMNIA both show TTFF of >10min sometimes, after coldboot and with agps disabled/not working atm |
| 05:28.41 | Dave | holy crap |
| 05:28.47 | Dave | that's terrible |
| 05:29.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | 1h ago updated to maemo agps-beta2 on N810 ;-) |
| 05:29.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | starts map app |
| 05:30.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | c'mon sucker |
| 05:30.30 | Dave | and how's that working? |
| 05:30.31 | Dave | :p |
| 05:32.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | FSCK!! have to reboot. agps borked gps-tty once again. "no gps found" |
| 05:32.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | back in a minute |
| 05:32.37 | Dave | haha crap |
| 05:32.48 | Dave | yeah I had something similar too |
| 05:32.51 | Dave | (I think) |
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| 05:37.06 | DocScrutinizer2 | once again... :-/ |
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| 05:38.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | 10 visible |
| 05:38.43 | Dave | :) |
| 05:39.16 | Dave | using none though? :P |
| 05:39.31 | kd8ikt | do youhave to register with ublox? |
| 05:40.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | FIX |
| 05:41.00 | Dave | woot! |
| 05:41.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | TTFF ~2min. on a balkony |
| 05:41.03 | Dave | a new record? |
| 05:41.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah,, not for N810 maemo |
| 05:41.40 | Dave | :p |
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| 05:44.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | "the 2008-10-19 days of your free test version have expired" muahahaa |
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| 05:50.51 | Dave | rofl |
| 05:50.56 | Dave | nice :P |
| 05:51.05 | Dave | Joerg - just what ARE you doing over there? :P |
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| 05:51.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | also "Speicherort", probably a very crude translation of "store location" |
| 05:52.07 | Dave | as in cache? or datadir? |
| 05:52.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | in fact means "location of storage" :D |
| 05:53.46 | Dave | :P |
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| 05:55.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | what I'm doing here? ATM enjoy the sunny weather after cold and rainy days, and sit on the balkony enjoy myself and the Saturday "day off" |
| 05:56.14 | Dave | :D |
| 06:05.20 | Dave | Nice :) |
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| 06:14.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | caffeine. Ahhh, finally... :-) |
| 06:24.09 | Dave | hah |
| 06:26.49 | XVirus | http://fold.it/portal/ |
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| 06:51.42 | Dave | :) |
| 07:01.48 | kd8ikt | freeshit w00t |
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| 07:29.49 | Jabka | What should i fix to build image (error at : http://codepad.org/OYMyYu79) |
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| 10:02.40 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix sierra modem |
| 10:02.40 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: The channel now needs to be passed the modem object |
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| 10:29.30 | Pander | any ipkg expert online? |
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| 10:40.22 | evolux | can someone explain the different fso-images to me? |
| 10:40.40 | evolux | i.e. what is the difference between -console, -illume and -? |
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| 10:44.17 | sicu | console has no ui, console only ... illume has the illume wm ... and the last one has all that plus zhone |
| 10:44.39 | sicu | iirc |
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| 11:10.02 | evolux | sicu: thanks |
| 11:10.04 | evolux | ! |
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| 11:12.16 | henk | the nor bootloader is pretty dumb.... |
| 11:12.56 | henk | i mean: why does it boot directly from nand flash and doesn't pass control to the bootloader in nand when you select 'Boot'? |
| 11:15.55 | morricone_ | nand could be brocken |
| 11:17.22 | henk | morricone_: then you can reflash it via nor... |
| 11:17.39 | Pander | who knows how to fix the autogen.sh script for building opkg? |
| 11:20.49 | Pander | nevermind, think I almost have it, ubuntu forgets to link aclocal to correct file |
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| 11:49.28 | evolux | can uBoot boot from sd card while the kernel and the root fs are not on partition 1 and 2 respectively? |
| 11:50.42 | dns53 | evolux it needs ether vfat (with uImage.bin) and ext3, ext3 and ext3, or ext3 only |
| 11:51.00 | henk | evolux: it probably can, but i guess you'll have to modify the uboot env to make it that way. for qi you must have only one partition. |
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| 11:51.36 | mokel | is it possible to get with the aux button to get back to illume home screen (fso 4.1) |
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| 11:59.12 | merlyn | hi all |
| 11:59.26 | merlyn | knows somebody, why mplayer is not available in repo? |
| 11:59.56 | mokel | in which repo? |
| 11:59.59 | merlyn | official |
| 12:00.13 | roh | merlyn because of patent-trolls ... sadly |
| 12:00.30 | mokel | in fso 4.1 its in |
| 12:00.30 | merlyn | roh: that's a pity, thanks |
| 12:00.30 | roh | but i am sure somebody will provide packages.. |
| 12:00.43 | roh | same as debian/ubuntu ;) |
| 12:00.58 | merlyn | :-) |
| 12:01.20 | mokel | mmh, yesterday i got it from the fso repo |
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| 12:07.09 | Fougner | =D |
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| 12:25.56 | evolux | thanks, dns53 and henk |
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| 12:34.58 | LastKid_ | Moin |
| 12:35.51 | Fougner | Moin Moin =D |
| 12:36.09 | LastKid_ | Was bringt mir eig. wenn ich Taschendiebstahl auf 4 hab? |
| 12:36.12 | LastKid_ | Nur mehr einnahmen? |
| 12:36.21 | Fougner | LastKid_, english please? =) |
| 12:36.31 | LastKid_ | Heh? |
| 12:36.36 | LastKid_ | Where I'm here?! xD |
| 12:36.46 | Fougner | I don't know? |
| 12:36.50 | LastKid_ | Aren't I here for the Channel for Pennergame.de |
| 12:36.54 | Fougner | nope |
| 12:36.57 | Fougner | probably not |
| 12:37.00 | LastKid_ | Ouh!! xDDD |
| 12:37.02 | Fougner | this is the Openmoko-channelö |
| 12:37.05 | Fougner | =) |
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| 12:52.49 | Pander | hi, anyone experience with opkg? |
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| 12:55.55 | Pander | I've build the opkg from souce and all I get is opkg-cl and opkg-key, where is the binary to build opkg packages? |
| 12:59.58 | kd8ikt | om-make-ipkg? |
| 13:00.27 | kd8ikt | is a script thats included in the toolchain |
| 13:01.06 | kd8ikt | i could pastebin it for you i suppose |
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| 13:10.35 | kd8ikt | /usr/local/openmoko/arm/om-make-ipkg |
| 13:11.16 | kd8ikt | /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/om-make-ipkg: POSIX shell script text executable |
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| 13:22.40 | Pander | i think i need opkg-utils ;) |
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| 13:24.42 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 13:25.36 | pieterc | hi |
| 13:31.05 | evolux | sicu: i installed the image you thought contained zhone on my sd card, but there is only "htop", "screenshot", "terminal" and "numptyphysics" in the menu. |
| 13:32.41 | pieterc | opkg install zhone ? |
| 13:34.10 | evolux | hm |
| 13:34.43 | evolux | ok, then let's install all the additional packages... |
| 13:36.06 | Pander | yes, I've just build my first opkg :) only one question, what to do with: opkg-build: 246: 0: not found |
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| 13:43.50 | pieterc | hey |
| 13:44.16 | pieterc | I got the SHR running ... i installed gcc / g++, libstddevs ... |
| 13:44.21 | pieterc | but when i try to do |
| 13:44.24 | pieterc | ./configure |
| 13:44.33 | pieterc | it says no gcc was installed |
| 13:45.02 | pieterc | gcc seems to be called arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi-gcc ... |
| 13:45.25 | kd8ikt | yea |
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| 13:46.03 | pieterc | what should be done? |
| 13:46.49 | kd8ikt | ./configure something=arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi- |
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| 13:47.03 | pieterc | ok ... makes sense ;) |
| 13:47.19 | kd8ikt | copiler prefix= pr somestch |
| 13:47.24 | ZZzzZzorkman | hello pieter :) |
| 13:47.28 | kd8ikt | maybe ./configure --help |
| 13:47.45 | pieterc | Zorkman = Thomas? |
| 13:47.50 | Zorkman | nope, yorick :) |
| 13:47.51 | pieterc | hi btw ;) |
| 13:47.57 | pieterc | aa, alright |
| 13:48.06 | kd8ikt | goback to bed Zorkman |
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| 13:48.20 | kd8ikt | ;D |
| 13:49.40 | Zorkman | hehe, no i'm getting ready to pose some stupid questions ;-) |
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| 13:56.29 | pieterc | root@om-gta02 ~/gnuboy-1.0.3 $ ./configure CC=arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi-gcc --wi |
| 13:56.30 | pieterc | th-sdl |
| 13:56.30 | pieterc | checking for gcc... arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi-gcc |
| 13:56.30 | pieterc | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 13:56.36 | pieterc | .... what the... |
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| 13:57.19 | kd8ikt | try CC=arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi- |
| 13:57.29 | pieterc | same thing |
| 13:57.42 | kd8ikt | different |
| 13:57.54 | pieterc | output is the same i mean |
| 13:58.43 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 13:59.12 | mattbnz | do any of the koolu people appear here? |
| 13:59.22 | mattbnz | getting an account activated for their forums appears to be close to impossible |
| 14:01.52 | kd8ikt | i have an account why |
| 14:04.16 | Fougner | x-d |
| 14:04.31 | Fougner | xD |
| 14:04.50 | Fougner | >_< |
| 14:04.54 | Fougner | ^.^ |
| 14:04.57 | Fougner | ^^, |
| 14:05.04 | Fougner | -.- |
| 14:05.06 | mattbnz | kd8ikt: never got the activation emails... |
| 14:05.10 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 14:05.10 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:05.11 | mattbnz | turns out that gmail is spamming them |
| 14:05.16 | Fougner | apt, shut up =) |
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| 14:05.32 | Fougner | apt get Fougner some coffee |
| 14:05.33 | apt | ACTION fetches Fougner some coffee |
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| 14:05.56 | Fougner | sudo apt get Fougner some coffee |
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| 14:06.27 | zash | sudo -u Fougner 'cd kitchen && make coffee' |
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| 14:06.44 | kd8ikt | userdel Fougner |
| 14:06.50 | Fougner | kd8ikt, not nice :( |
| 14:06.56 | Fougner | zash, thanks =D |
| 14:07.51 | zash | Fougner: or buy a coffemachine with built in internet access+ webserver |
| 14:08.16 | Fougner | =D |
| 14:08.56 | zash | curl http://thecoffeemachine.local/make?type=black |
| 14:09.18 | Fougner | lol |
| 14:09.30 | Fougner | you know PHP? :P |
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| 14:10.52 | Fougner | aircrack =D |
| 14:11.07 | kd8ikt | some train of thought |
| 14:11.23 | Fougner | ? :O |
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| 14:13.01 | wizkoder | hy everybody |
| 14:14.08 | wizkoder | just tried to get the qemu emulation working. but when I start the script openmoko/download.sh I just get "Kernel is... not found" |
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| 14:17.16 | zash | Fougner: what |
| 14:18.05 | Fougner | zash, you code PHP? :D |
| 14:18.12 | zash | i do |
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| 14:20.16 | tuxi | hi |
| 14:20.21 | Fougner | zash, cool, are you good? :P |
| 14:20.26 | Fougner | hi tuxi! |
| 14:20.26 | tuxi | anyone happy with the openmoko invisible shield? |
| 14:20.41 | Fougner | anyone happy with.. WHAT? =D |
| 14:20.52 | Zorkman | tuxi: i am |
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| 14:21.08 | Fougner | Zorkman, invisible shield? |
| 14:21.10 | Zorkman | although i have the full body cover, but that doesn't seem very nescessary |
| 14:21.11 | Zorkman | jup |
| 14:21.21 | tuxi | its not very clean for me, will this be better after some time? |
| 14:21.35 | Fougner | guys, what are you talking about? -.- |
| 14:21.39 | tuxi | i mean white points not air |
| 14:21.44 | tuxi | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/InvisibleShield |
| 14:22.30 | Wonka | http://hackaday.com/2008/11/28/iphone-linux/ |
| 14:22.42 | Fougner | lol |
| 14:22.52 | zash | Fougner: i think so |
| 14:22.55 | Wonka | when will openmoko run on the iphone? |
| 14:22.57 | Fougner | Wonka, you're like 12 hours late ;) |
| 14:22.57 | Wonka | :) |
| 14:23.12 | Fougner | zash, nice, what's you favourite IDE? |
| 14:23.20 | Wonka | Fougner: there are more important things than iphones... |
| 14:23.31 | Fougner | Wonka, like Willy Wonka =D |
| 14:23.40 | zash | Fougner: i use vim |
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| 14:24.10 | Fougner | zash, oh... haha, I didn't expect you to ^^ |
| 14:24.36 | Fougner | tuxi, where did you get that cover? |
| 14:24.47 | Fougner | the "invisible shield" ^^ |
| 14:25.10 | tuxi | zagg.com |
| 14:25.25 | tuxi | but i wont recommend it |
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| 14:30.20 | Zorkman | tuxi: white points? |
| 14:30.36 | Fougner | tuxi, why not? |
| 14:30.46 | tuxi | not the expected result |
| 14:30.51 | Zorkman | maybe it's because you clean it with a wrong kind of cloth |
| 14:31.15 | Zorkman | i don't know about other phone-condoms, but i know the invisible shield is very strong... |
| 14:31.15 | tuxi | perhaps... but ... well better than nothing |
| 14:31.26 | Fougner | oka |
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| 14:31.44 | tuxi | Zorkman: does the look improve with some hours? |
| 14:31.56 | Zorkman | i have a clear screen.... |
| 14:32.07 | tuxi | mine not that clear |
| 14:32.12 | Zorkman | it gets dusty and greasy but when i clean it it's ok again |
| 14:32.30 | tuxi | if i found some time i'll take some photos |
| 14:32.38 | Fougner | ehehe, 25$ :O |
| 14:32.42 | Zorkman | ok, please do, i'm curious to what's the cause |
| 14:33.10 | Fougner | you live in the US? :P |
| 14:33.37 | Fougner | ey guys, is there a way to get a nice design on the UI, for FDOM and OM- distros? :p |
| 14:34.10 | Zorkman | $Fougner: 11.95 for screen protection+free shipping worldwide+liflong warranty |
| 14:34.34 | Zorkman | Fougner: you can install another theme |
| 14:34.50 | Fougner | Zorkman, oh, so it is THAT good? |
| 14:34.55 | Fougner | lifetime warranty =D |
| 14:35.01 | Fougner | hehe |
| 14:35.16 | Fougner | well, I use Belkin's iPhone shield |
| 14:35.44 | Fougner | just disassembled the Neo and then put the shield on the display |
| 14:35.58 | Fougner | here, Zorkman ? http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ |
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| 14:36.28 | Zorkman | Fougner: others are also possible, there is one with that green snake onthe background |
| 14:36.30 | Fougner | or is there another place to find the 2007.2-design? =D |
| 14:36.50 | Fougner | Zorkman, where to get those? I can't find them on the wiki |
| 14:36.57 | Fougner | except the 52grad.de |
| 14:37.16 | Zorkman | sec, i'll try to find it... i used it on FDOM |
| 14:37.26 | Fougner | nice |
| 14:39.46 | flexd | uh |
| 14:39.57 | flexd | What kind of screen protector did alot of people end up buying for the Fr? |
| 14:40.12 | flexd | I sort of put mine on a shelf and let it be for a few months, been busy. Never bought any for mine :/ |
| 14:40.22 | flexd | And i need one now as im starting to use it again |
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| 14:42.45 | Zorkman | Fougner: still searching, thought i had it in my e-mails somehere but can't find it immediately |
| 14:43.58 | Zorkman | Fougner: http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,649.0.html |
| 14:44.36 | tuxi | Kernel is... not found, is what i get if i try to make qemu |
| 14:44.42 | tuxi | anyone knows an solution? |
| 14:47.07 | Fougner | Zorkman, thanks |
| 14:47.40 | Zorkman | np |
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| 14:48.29 | kd8ikt | so what? the inisibleshield is something you'd wrap the entire phone in? |
| 14:48.48 | flexd | Isnt that good? |
| 14:48.53 | flexd | Wheres the invisibleshield? |
| 14:49.01 | kd8ikt | looks like it makes the phone slippery |
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| 14:49.17 | kd8ikt | and it flop ot of your hand more often and smash ;) |
| 14:49.19 | TeLLuS | flexd: I use this.. http://www.clasohlson.no/Product/Product.aspx?id=55484352 |
| 14:50.03 | kd8ikt | yeah i shoulda used something like that threw it in my pocket one day with keys/godknows what else and it has a few scuffs |
| 14:50.03 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: it isn't slippery, but the phone has a nicer "touch" without it |
| 14:50.32 | kd8ikt | Zorkman: albiet + that much bigger |
| 14:50.38 | flexd | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/InvisibleShield <- atleast it makes it shiny as hell |
| 14:51.01 | kd8ikt | i prefer the ruber "matte" finish |
| 14:52.00 | kd8ikt | back to my screen though its got a few deep scuffs |
| 14:52.01 | flexd | TeLLuS, how well does that work? |
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| 14:52.31 | kd8ikt | i wonder if a screen overlay would fix that and further protect it |
| 14:52.46 | SpeedEvil | It will make it less visible. |
| 14:52.53 | SpeedEvil | it will certainly protect it. |
| 14:53.00 | kd8ikt | least the overlay can be easilly replaced |
| 14:53.16 | flexd | If you had to choose |
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| 14:53.28 | flexd | Would you go with the invisibleShield or just a screen overlay? |
| 14:53.33 | SpeedEvil | Screen overlay. |
| 14:53.36 | SpeedEvil | No question |
| 14:53.43 | flexd | hmm |
| 14:53.45 | kd8ikt | overlay i have the lil fag pag to store it in |
| 14:53.52 | kd8ikt | fagbag* |
| 14:53.53 | flexd | Hmm |
| 14:54.02 | flexd | I thought the invisibleShield protected the screen too |
| 14:54.03 | flexd | But okay |
| 14:54.11 | SpeedEvil | The whole case is quite robust, and won't be damaged by keys or stuff. |
| 14:54.13 | Wonka | *sigh* |
| 14:54.14 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.17 | SpeedEvil | (other than cosmetically) |
| 14:54.17 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.26 | flexd | im gonna flash my phone with fdom, and go buy one of those overlays :) |
| 14:54.31 | Wonka | second time, on "opkg update ; opkg upgrade" |
| 14:54.33 | flexd | Question is just if that overlay works okay |
| 14:54.40 | SpeedEvil | Open it up, and put the overlay over the screen, and put it back on. |
| 14:54.43 | SpeedEvil | They work fine. |
| 14:55.39 | kd8ikt | mornincat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 14:55.58 | kd8ikt | 0_o |
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| 14:56.52 | flexd | SpeedEvil, kk :) |
| 14:56.56 | flexd | I'll go get one then |
| 14:57.00 | TeLLuS | flexd: Cut and paste.. ;) Work well for me.. |
| 14:57.04 | flexd | Gonna try using the pone on a daily basis now. |
| 14:58.42 | kd8ikt | user.debug kernel: rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c |
| 14:58.52 | pieterc | when sean puts a new android root fs online i'll try to use that as daily phone |
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| 15:02.02 | Ainulindale | Wonka: Well that may be my fault |
| 15:02.11 | Ainulindale | Wonka: GTA01 or GTA02? |
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| 15:07.03 | Ainulindale | Wonka: Ping? |
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| 15:08.40 | Wonka | Ainulindale: pong. might also be my fault - didn't change /etc/network/interfaces to "my" settings, so i could ssh in, but it could not network out. |
| 15:09.08 | Ainulindale | Oh, too bad |
| 15:09.10 | Wonka | Ainulindale: and i didn't really bother to read the error messages, assuming it just complained about not finding .sig files |
| 15:09.16 | Wonka | Ainulindale: it's upgrading now |
| 15:09.19 | Ainulindale | Well anyway I regenerated the package-index |
| 15:09.24 | Ainulindale | Wonka: don't forget to rm -rf .e and restart X |
| 15:09.36 | Wonka | Ainulindale: why remove .e? |
| 15:09.42 | Wonka | Ainulindale: won't a reboot suffice? |
| 15:09.44 | Ainulindale | Changes in the config |
| 15:09.53 | Ainulindale | Not sure about that |
| 15:10.01 | Ainulindale | So as a security measure, do that :-) |
| 15:10.01 | flexd | Does my phone have to be charged to flash it? :/ |
| 15:10.11 | Wonka | 'k... |
| 15:10.18 | flexd | (I would think so, but can it run off the usb power while flashing?) |
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| 15:12.54 | Pander | what are the most common/default/easy sound formats openmoko can play? wav, ogg, mp3? |
| 15:13.26 | Wonka | would like to find any AMR player at all... |
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| 15:16.12 | Pander | ubuntu can play amr via two different codecs |
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| 15:16.48 | Pander | however some license issues, see launchpad.net for details |
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| 15:28.17 | flexd | argh |
| 15:28.20 | flexd | I cant seem to turn my FR on :S |
| 15:29.14 | Pander | was it discharged completely? it needs a trick, see wiki |
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| 15:30.48 | flexd | It might have been |
| 15:30.52 | flexd | I havent used it in a while |
| 15:32.45 | flexd | I tried booting it in NOR-boot too, nothing so far |
| 15:33.37 | kd8ikt | lucky i have an extra battery to bootstrap it |
| 15:33.57 | kd8ikt | (old nokia batt) |
| 15:34.07 | flexd | I do have a nokia N80 |
| 15:34.19 | flexd | It's a BL-5B battery, it's a bit smaller. |
| 15:34.24 | kd8ikt | same output? |
| 15:35.03 | flexd | I'm not sure, gonna try booting once more. |
| 15:35.03 | kd8ikt | 3.?4?7? |
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| 15:35.42 | flexd | FR battery = 3.7V |
| 15:35.46 | flexd | Nokia battery = 3.7V |
| 15:35.56 | flexd | Both li-ion batteries |
| 15:36.03 | flexd | does mAh matter? |
| 15:36.44 | flexd | its pretty much identical in shape and size, just fr battery is slightly longer. |
| 15:36.57 | kd8ikt | more mah |
| 15:36.57 | zash | flexd: mAh matters |
| 15:37.19 | zash | flexd: thats how long you can draw x power from it |
| 15:37.20 | kd8ikt | ;D jinx |
| 15:37.21 | flexd | Does it matter in a way that it will break the phone |
| 15:37.31 | flexd | Or does it matter that it just wont keep it running that long |
| 15:37.31 | zash | probably not |
| 15:37.44 | flexd | I only want it to run long enough for me to connect usb charger, then plug in normal battery |
| 15:38.08 | kd8ikt | rolls eyes |
| 15:38.15 | kd8ikt | this is pointless |
| 15:38.16 | flexd | ? |
| 15:38.28 | flexd | https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery |
| 15:38.33 | kd8ikt | puts a gn to his head |
| 15:38.34 | flexd | bl-5b is on the list of compatible replacements. |
| 15:38.47 | kd8ikt | my u keys is dying |
| 15:38.49 | flexd | 760/890 mAh it seems |
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| 15:39.50 | safire | good morning all |
| 15:40.27 | safire | new to IRC, got a question |
| 15:40.44 | flexd | uh, booting it with bl-5b worked fine, but how the hell am i supposed to change over? :P |
| 15:40.55 | safire | been trying to get gestikk working, a mouse gesture library |
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| 15:41.25 | safire | while installing it, i seemed to have borked something with X, it is no longer recognizing touch screen input events |
| 15:41.56 | safire | I've reduced my xsession to just matchbox-window-manager (running debian), and mouse pointer no longer moves in response to touch |
| 15:42.37 | safire | if I stop nodm, and cat /dev/input/input1 i see stuff...anyone got a clue where to look? I don't see any errors in dmesg or xsession-errors |
| 15:43.27 | kd8ikt | flexd: if enough juice is comming through usb via say plugging in a usb2 host it will still run when hotswaping the batt |
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| 15:53.45 | flexd | kd8ikt, i got it started up |
| 15:53.52 | flexd | Flashing it atm |
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| 16:32.11 | flexd | TeLLuS, did you cut the protector to proper size? |
| 16:32.26 | flexd | You sort of have to i guess, but slightly larger than the screen itself? |
| 16:33.05 | SpeedEvil | The really ewasy way |
| 16:33.07 | SpeedEvil | open it up |
| 16:33.12 | SpeedEvil | put it on the top of the screen |
| 16:33.16 | SpeedEvil | cut round with scissors |
| 16:33.24 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, that's the way I did it :D |
| 16:33.26 | SpeedEvil | (a bit carefully - but still - easy) |
| 16:33.37 | TeLLuS | flexd: Yes |
| 16:33.43 | Fougner | the result is awesome |
| 16:33.59 | Fougner | covers eeeeeverywhere |
| 16:34.36 | flexd | SpeedEvil, I'll just measure the screen and cut this square piece of plastic so it's maybe 2-3mm bigger in each direction |
| 16:34.52 | Fougner | oh GOD what I want GTA03 to be equipped with 3.5mm stereoplug =D |
| 16:35.11 | zash | Fougner: yes |
| 16:35.13 | flexd | I want the GTA03 to have a better screen |
| 16:35.20 | pieterc | :D |
| 16:35.21 | flexd | or rather, not one "down" in a hole atm |
| 16:35.24 | flexd | like it is now |
| 16:35.32 | flexd | A screen the same way a iphone has a screen would be nice :) |
| 16:35.59 | TeLLuS | flexd: Well, I did it about half a mm smaller then the external sceen just to fit it in in place. |
| 16:36.00 | SpeedEvil | I want a screen at least double the size of the case. |
| 16:36.26 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, how is that possible? o_O |
| 16:36.34 | flexd | Fold out OLED! |
| 16:36.39 | SpeedEvil | Engineering problem. |
| 16:36.44 | Fougner | xD |
| 16:36.50 | zash | I WANT A PORTABLE 42" 1080p SCREEN ON MY PHONE |
| 16:36.54 | pieterc | maybe 'not down in a hole' can be achieved using a different case on the gta02? |
| 16:36.54 | SpeedEvil | I just specify the goal. |
| 16:37.07 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 16:37.07 | flexd | pieterc, yeah maybe |
| 16:37.20 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, you're not nice to them, are you? ^^ |
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| 16:37.35 | Fougner | zash, why not a 50" ? |
| 16:37.43 | Fougner | or a LED projector? |
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| 16:37.51 | pieterc | hah, a projector |
| 16:37.52 | zash | Fougner: or 150" |
| 16:37.53 | Fougner | =D |
| 16:37.54 | pieterc | would be cool |
| 16:37.57 | Fougner | yeah |
| 16:37.59 | pieterc | and a laser keyboard;) |
| 16:38.00 | Fougner | LCD, not plasma |
| 16:38.05 | zash | Fougner: but then it would need to be quad HD |
| 16:38.12 | Fougner | o_O? |
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| 16:38.28 | zash | pieterc: isn't laser keyboards retarded |
| 16:38.38 | pieterc | you're retarted |
| 16:38.39 | pieterc | ;) |
| 16:38.42 | pieterc | no |
| 16:38.44 | pieterc | I don't know |
| 16:38.47 | pieterc | never tried one |
| 16:38.50 | zash | no feedback |
| 16:38.57 | zash | same problem as touchscreens |
| 16:39.09 | Fougner | zash, and four bluray-lasers, so you can watch four FHD movies simultaneously |
| 16:39.12 | zash | but keyboards are supposed to be usable without looking at them |
| 16:39.32 | pieterc | that's a good point |
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| 16:40.10 | zash | Fougner: bluray? screw that, a shitload of multi terabyte harddrives ftw |
| 16:40.22 | Fougner | but, but? |
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| 16:56.07 | Wonka | opkg install x11vnc |
| 16:56.10 | Wonka | a biiiig help |
| 16:58.09 | zash | Wonka: tried synergy? |
| 16:58.15 | zash | does synergy work on om |
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| 16:58.23 | Wonka | zash: no, don't even know it |
| 16:58.56 | zash | Wonka: it's kind of like vnc, without the images |
| 16:59.01 | Fougner | xD |
| 16:59.06 | Fougner | no images? WHAT THE? |
| 16:59.15 | Fougner | DAve! |
| 16:59.19 | zash | as in, it does not transmit the screen back |
| 16:59.25 | zash | only keyboard/mouse events |
| 16:59.33 | Fougner | Dave, where art thou? |
| 16:59.42 | zash | apt locate dave |
| 16:59.43 | apt | ACTION whips the black sheet away from dave showing the world dave's evil plans |
| 17:00.05 | Fougner | lol |
| 17:00.17 | Fougner | zash, who coded apt? |
| 17:00.19 | zash | ~whereis Dave |
| 17:00.23 | zash | Fougner: iduno |
| 17:00.33 | Fougner | hehe |
| 17:00.39 | Fougner | ~_~ where is dave? |
| 17:00.41 | apt | okay, Fougner |
| 17:00.47 | zash | apt whereis dave |
| 17:00.53 | zash | apt NINJA |
| 17:00.53 | apt | ninja is probably http://test.lowmotion.org/u_users/480/ninjalesson.jpg, or realultimatepower.net |
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| 17:00.54 | Fougner | apt get dave |
| 17:00.55 | apt | ACTION fetches dave |
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| 17:01.39 | Dave | lollermofi |
| 17:01.51 | Dave | apt kill Fougner |
| 17:01.52 | apt | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudoquark gun at Fougner |
| 17:02.08 | Dave | >:) |
| 17:02.26 | Fougner | Ninjas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guys are totally awesome and that's a fact. Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love ninjas with all of my body (including my pee pee). |
| 17:02.32 | md2k7 | apt cry |
| 17:02.33 | apt | ACTION cries and sobs until she nearly drowns in her own tears. |
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| 17:02.46 | Fougner | apt commit suicide |
| 17:02.47 | apt | Hehe my survival instinct prevents me from killing myself |
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| 17:02.57 | Dave | YES |
| 17:02.58 | Fougner | sudo killall apt |
| 17:03.01 | Dave | CANNOT SELF-TERMINATE |
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| 17:08.35 | Wonka | apt: sudo pkill apt |
| 17:08.49 | Wonka | apt kill apt |
| 17:08.49 | apt | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudoelectron gun at apt |
| 17:09.08 | Wonka | hrm... |
| 17:09.13 | Wonka | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 17:09.22 | Wonka | looks slightly puzzled |
| 17:09.37 | Dave | Wonka, what's going on? |
| 17:09.59 | Wonka | Dave: i am just asking myself why X listens on tcp |
| 17:10.10 | Wonka | Dave: or better, why tcp listening is not disable |
| 17:10.11 | Wonka | d |
| 17:13.30 | Dave | oh! |
| 17:13.35 | Dave | o.O |
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| 17:27.30 | kd8ikt | ssh root@openmoko -X |
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| 17:34.51 | balrog-kun | Password: |
| 17:35.27 | pieterc | hm... when trying to upgrade the FDOM via opkg it returns: * libgcc-s1 (>= 4.1.2) * |
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| 17:36.22 | hozer | Is there a bluetoogh on gta01 howto? |
| 17:36.48 | hozer | the latest shr release does not seem to have an obvious way to turn it on/off |
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| 17:38.09 | flexd | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 17:38.26 | flexd | I've searched the entire house, the entire garage and both the cars |
| 17:38.35 | Inc_Vega | what is up ? |
| 17:38.36 | flexd | and i still cant find the damn toolset with a t6 torq >_< |
| 17:38.45 | flexd | wants to take off the front cover on his FR |
| 17:40.00 | pieterc | flexd: i can't remove my front cover due my warranty would expire |
| 17:40.14 | mwester | hozer: bluetooth info for gta01 is on the wiki |
| 17:40.16 | flexd | There's a warranty on FR's? o_0 |
| 17:40.34 | pieterc | In my case there is 2 years of warranty |
| 17:40.38 | pieterc | i bought it in Benelux... |
| 17:40.45 | flexd | cool |
| 17:41.30 | mwester | hozer: and the settings menu (surprise!) has the menu item to power on/off bluetooth. |
| 17:41.46 | mwester | (but if you want more than just power on /off via gui, you'll have to write it yourself. |
| 17:41.48 | mwester | ) |
| 17:43.22 | tuxi | is there anywhere an working qemu tut? |
| 17:43.42 | pieterc | on the wiki it works right? |
| 17:43.51 | pieterc | I did that 1 week ago |
| 17:43.53 | pieterc | i guess... |
| 17:43.58 | pieterc | but i won't use it |
| 17:44.14 | tuxi | no it doesnt work |
| 17:44.22 | pieterc | oh :( |
| 17:44.58 | hozer | mwester: I can't seem to figure out the settings stuff ;) I did find the docs.. but hciconfig dev doesn't seem to work |
| 17:45.04 | tuxi | i get kernel... not found |
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| 17:46.34 | kd8ikt | Nov 29 07:42:23 om-gta02 user.info fso-gpsd[1177]: WARNING: Timeout: device started but not connected |
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| 17:47.58 | tuxi | mmp: have you put your project to any source control thing yet? |
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| 17:51.01 | mwester | hozer: I just flashed the latest SHR for the gta01, went to the settings menu, turned bluetooth on, and hciconfig dev is happy. |
| 17:53.26 | Dave | Mwester, neat :) |
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| 17:56.27 | Dave | haha, sleep while 2 |
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| 18:13.45 | kd8ikt | no gps fix :( |
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| 18:21.24 | esa-petri | what dfu-utl dfu_download error -71 means |
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| 18:23.06 | PBeck | ahoi :) |
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| 18:31.18 | bumbl | is there a power nap app for openmoko? |
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| 18:33.40 | sicu | esa-petri: iirc the wiki said something about that any error messages indicate a probable failed transfer ... so just try again |
| 18:34.26 | mmp | tuxi: not yet |
| 18:34.33 | sicu | esa-petri: i've had error-110, never 71, and wiki says nothing about it |
| 18:34.50 | mmp | tuxi: sorry for the delay, I'm just at work... |
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| 18:35.46 | tuxi | ah.. k |
| 18:35.54 | tuxi | tell me if so |
| 18:36.12 | tuxi | if you want i would participiate in your project |
| 18:36.36 | mmp | tuxi: any helping hand is good, if python won't be a problem :) |
| 18:37.07 | tuxi | no shouldn't be and would be a good start for me in openmoko development |
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| 18:52.40 | jc | hello, sorry for potentionaly dumb question, but how do you force 802.11b mode on a 802.11b network on freerunners internal wifi? |
| 18:52.57 | jc | sorry, *on a 802.11g network |
| 18:54.23 | jc | I've really been googling a lot and can't find anything, iwconfig eth0 modu doesn't work and I can't find any iwpriv command to do it, so I guess its done somehow else ? |
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| 18:57.24 | jc | well, please could somebody point me to some documentation on the ar6k-ng driver ? please, I just can't find it... |
| 18:58.35 | spydon | is it even possible to do that? |
| 18:58.57 | jc | change modulation? dunno, can't find datasheet |
| 19:00.40 | jc | I understand this card is kind of atypical since it is on some SDIO bus ? |
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| 19:02.09 | jc | really it's nice openmoko wiki is pointing to datasheet with 2 colorful pages full of advertising text, no registers/commands/whatever :) |
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| 19:03.06 | sparrow | waves |
| 19:04.35 | jc | well, accton page (manufacturer of the module) doesn't provide any datasheet either, so I guess this is yet another non-open part of freeruner or does it have some kind of standard interface ? |
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| 19:09.32 | balrog-kun | jc: the chip can uses other busses too |
| 19:09.46 | balrog-kun | but i don't think sdio is atypical |
| 19:10.36 | jc | balrog-kun could you pls point me to some docs ? |
| 19:11.07 | balrog-kun | jc: all the docs that exists are in the driver code from atheros |
| 19:11.30 | jc | balrog-kun, oh, is it part of the vanilla kernel? how is it called please? |
| 19:11.46 | jc | you see, I just got freerunner and I'm SO excited to get online |
| 19:12.05 | balrog-kun | jc: it isn't, there's a driver in the openmoko kernel, but this one i don't think it has the docs |
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| 19:12.16 | balrog-kun | there's a sourceforge project with the oringinal code from atheros |
| 19:12.21 | jc | but my wap is horribly broken and on any linux machine (including freerunner) when connected via 802.11g, the link crashes whenever you transmit larger data |
| 19:12.34 | balrog-kun | they're pretty good as for a wifi card, but obviously you don't get direct access to the radio or antyhing like that |
| 19:13.04 | jc | oh, so no faking of nintendo ds wireless multiboot stations, shame :) |
| 19:13.37 | balrog-kun | yep, not from your phone :p |
| 19:14.12 | jc | ok, so newest revision of the driver is in openmoko kernel, right ? |
| 19:14.41 | balrog-kun | yes |
| 19:15.01 | jc | in this repo? git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git |
| 19:16.57 | jc | aah that seems to be a large one :) thanks for pointing me, I'll have a look :) |
| 19:17.09 | jc | maybe it'll give me finally a reason to replace the damn wap |
| 19:18.39 | sparrow | I was wondering if anyone has been playing with the FSO release? |
| 19:18.53 | jc | I have :) |
| 19:19.02 | jc | completely unstable |
| 19:19.07 | jc | broken suspend |
| 19:19.08 | sparrow | lol |
| 19:19.25 | jc | ooh sorry, I got it confused, I meant fdom |
| 19:19.31 | sparrow | Ah |
| 19:19.54 | sparrow | There are alot of distro's, so its easy to get mixed up ;) |
| 19:20.53 | jc | well, only thing I managed to enjoy on this pda so far is to flash the leds/backlight/vibrator and frighten people with remote pulseaudio :D |
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| 19:21.11 | sparrow | =) |
| 19:21.18 | jc | sooo fun |
| 19:21.23 | sparrow | jc - Did you just get your freerunner? |
| 19:21.29 | jc | yes :) |
| 19:21.38 | jc | yesterday :) |
| 19:21.46 | sparrow | Its a fun device to play with |
| 19:21.55 | jc | absolutely |
| 19:22.13 | jc | but all those alsa controls ale frightening :D |
| 19:22.19 | sparrow | I must admit, that I just unpacked mine. Put it away for 2 months. |
| 19:22.46 | jc | I guess it's really hard to get it working |
| 19:23.43 | sparrow | Well, almost all the distro's are still under development. |
| 19:23.50 | jc | I didn't find any of the 'already complete' distros usable, mostly because of hardware issues |
| 19:24.09 | jc | but there seems to be a chance, if you use latest experimental kernel, maybe stuff will work |
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| 19:26.09 | johngay | Afternoon everybody! |
| 19:26.24 | jc | aaah still cloning the repo, I just caaaan't wait to try minimo and get on the web via wifi :) |
| 19:26.42 | jc | hello :) |
| 19:26.54 | johngay | rasterman around? |
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| 19:28.33 | sparrow | jc - One of the things I was working on was adding support on my fr to control an Arduino project |
| 19:28.46 | jc | sparrow, I work with AVRs too :)) |
| 19:28.49 | johngay | Just playin' with Illume, but I guess it's only the WM working ATM? |
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| 19:29.19 | jc | sparrow, I guess you could connect it via uart over usb/bluetooth ? |
| 19:29.34 | jc | sparrow, theres a neat avr-usb library |
| 19:29.51 | sparrow | jc - Yeah, I was using bluetooth. |
| 19:30.55 | jc | sparrow I don't have much experience with bluetooth yet unfortunately :) So did you manage to get it working ? |
| 19:31.42 | sparrow | jc - Yeah, I got it working under Om 2007.2 |
| 19:32.00 | jc | sparrow thats the default firmware, isn't it ? |
| 19:32.41 | jc | sparrow, just out of curiosity, how do you establish serial link over bluetooth in linux? I think on windows its done through sockets |
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| 19:34.33 | sparrow | jc - It was pretty easy because of the bluez framework. There is a serial driver in the support software |
| 19:35.00 | jc | sparrow and in what did you do the frontend? :) |
| 19:35.49 | Arg0naut | anyone know of a simple image viewer for SHR? |
| 19:35.49 | sparrow | jc - gtk python |
| 19:35.51 | jc | sparrow so pygtk? did you use glade? :) |
| 19:36.21 | jc | thats just amazing, all this on a mobile device, so simple to do a neat frontend to control an embedded application :) |
| 19:36.29 | jc | I so have to do that with my avr uv lamp :)) |
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| 19:42.17 | sicu | Arg0naut: omview or gpe-gallery |
| 19:42.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | use X-Ray, much faster;-) |
| 19:42.57 | jc | just out of curiosity, does anyone use gnome on theyr phone? ;P |
| 19:43.10 | jc | I mean with metacity and everything :) |
| 19:43.42 | sicu | DocScrutinizer2: thx, never tried that on the FR =] |
| 19:44.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | sicu: xray? be careful! kills microphone at >40kV |
| 19:45.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | but probably a covinient method to erase flash ;-) |
| 19:46.48 | jc | xray does it too? I thought only UV light did that |
| 19:47.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | nope, every ionizing radiation does |
| 19:47.38 | jc | is it destructive ? |
| 19:47.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | uv, xray, gamma |
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| 19:47.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, for microphone |
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| 19:48.21 | jc | oh.. poor neo.. |
| 19:48.23 | sicu | i'll bring the FR with me next time i'm up for a CAT scan |
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| 19:48.45 | jc | it'd be deaf for the rest of its lifespan |
| 19:49.04 | jc | unless you connect a hearing aid I guess :)) |
| 19:49.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | not completely tho, buzz will stay XD |
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| 19:49.34 | sicu | haha |
| 19:49.43 | jc | X-) |
| 19:49.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | and yeah, of course you can use a headset still |
| 19:50.13 | jc | doctor is he going to be ok? thell me the truth ! |
| 19:50.36 | jc | well.. he had some serious radiation exposure but the adc doesn't seem to be affected.. |
| 19:50.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | after you reflashed calypso (given the bootloader needs to survive) |
| 19:51.06 | jc | doesnt it have jtag ? |
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| 19:51.43 | jc | ooh don't tell me its possible to brick the fr :) |
| 19:52.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | in fact I dunno if jtag could debrick calypso |
| 19:52.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | or jtag might get bricked as well |
| 19:53.08 | jc | I gues they should have put 'don't carry along on your next cat scan' sign under the lao c` quote on the 'manual' :) |
| 19:53.22 | jc | *ss |
| 19:53.47 | jc | dunno how jtag programming works but I think it accesses directly the flash chips ? |
| 19:54.14 | jc | I think that should be implemented in gates on the chip :) |
| 19:54.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | jup, but still there's some kinda protocol where some fw might be needed for |
| 19:54.55 | jc | well, does it erase rom cells also? :) |
| 19:54.56 | hozer | curses at hci/bluethooth on his macbook |
| 19:54.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | but I guess thats mask programmed |
| 19:55.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | depends on rom |
| 19:55.41 | hozer | I seem to have bluetooth up on the neo, but the macbook (running linux) is not finding the bluetooth adapter |
| 19:56.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | if it's gate-on-isolation type:yes, if it's fuse-type or mask:no |
| 19:56.55 | jc | lets take a peek into the datasheet... |
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| 19:58.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | usually you won't find out about e.g. type of rom the calypso rom-bootloader resides in |
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| 19:59.02 | jc | well.. if jtag is connected directly to the cpu, there should be some info about the programming in there, right ? |
| 19:59.18 | jc | I think some flash even resides on-chip |
| 19:59.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | floating-gate-on-isolator most common technology now |
| 19:59.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | sure, the bootloader |
| 20:00.00 | jc | well.. only one way to find out definitely |
| 20:00.16 | jc | but guess whos not putting his money on the line :D |
| 20:00.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | dentist ;-) |
| 20:00.44 | jc | yep we sure do have lots of laboratories with many scary radiation symbols around here :D |
| 20:01.07 | jc | mainly, that would be the local nuclear power plant, I guess |
| 20:01.43 | jc | 'hey, would you mind attaching this to a rod and lowering it in there for a moment? pleeease its for a reaserch project' :)) |
| 20:01.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | well killing mic wasn't a joke. datasheets say "not more than 40kV" iirc |
| 20:01.58 | jc | isnt that voltage ? |
| 20:02.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | electrostatic mic! ;-) |
| 20:02.34 | jc | that one with the permament electrostatic charge material ? |
| 20:02.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | that's also "hardness" of radiation |
| 20:02.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 20:03.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | will be no longer charged, after xray |
| 20:03.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | same as flashrom |
| 20:04.25 | jc | so the jfet in it would have permanently zero gate-source voltage so only some power noise is amplified after that... |
| 20:04.25 | Heooooo | Is it possible to sync an OpenMoko to Mac OSs and Ubuntus? |
| 20:04.53 | jc | completely deaf |
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| 20:04.57 | jc | thats cruel |
| 20:05.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | makes a notice to ask the chip manufs about xray sensitivity |
| 20:05.49 | jc | searches SC32442B datasheet for x-ray :D |
| 20:06.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | jc: on the point |
| 20:06.10 | jc | still searching |
| 20:06.25 | jc | what a suprise, nothing... |
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| 20:07.21 | jc | not even a esd note anywhere |
| 20:07.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'm more concerned abot ar6k fw |
| 20:08.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | (2442) probably some other document |
| 20:08.24 | jc | oh, do you have its docs ? |
| 20:08.38 | jc | I can't find how to force 802.11b modulation on 802.11g network |
| 20:08.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | ESD should be mentioned near ABS MAX RATINGS |
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| 20:09.18 | jc | that would be in electrical section right? can't find them.. |
| 20:09.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | we don't have docs on wifi fw |
| 20:09.35 | jc | ooh now I see it its at the tp |
| 20:10.11 | jc | well only logic levels and temeperature in abs ratings |
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| 20:10.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-/ |
| 20:10.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | wtf? |
| 20:10.40 | jc | thats lame |
| 20:10.57 | jc | for extended periods: -25 to 85 deg. celsius |
| 20:11.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | yeah I know it's even hard to find sth about current |
| 20:11.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | on VDD |
| 20:11.48 | jc | ohh currents not here either :) |
| 20:11.54 | jc | now THATs lame :0 |
| 20:11.54 | jc | :) |
| 20:12.02 | jc | no power dissipation, nothing |
| 20:12.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | nope |
| 20:12.11 | jc | only voltage supplies |
| 20:12.37 | jc | well whatever, lets just be glad it works :)) |
| 20:13.06 | jc | I'm not soldering this thing into any projects of mine in the near term anyway :D |
| 20:13.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | I bet |
| 20:13.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | probably even hard to source in single qty |
| 20:14.01 | jc | looks like some tiny bga package |
| 20:14.06 | jc | fbga... |
| 20:14.23 | jc | yep |
| 20:14.33 | jc | maybe they give out samples ? |
| 20:14.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | maybe |
| 20:14.58 | jc | oh and they give evaluation boards |
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| 20:15.21 | jc | well I got the ultimate evaluation board riiight here :D |
| 20:15.34 | jc | since its not usable as a phone/pda, whatever else would it be? :D |
| 20:16.10 | hozer | HAH .. So how would I get a *reliable* usb bluetooth dongle? |
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| 20:18.16 | hozer | hrrm, so apparently if I just wait around long enough it decides to wokr |
| 20:20.13 | mwester | Hmm... didn't know that could be used as a verb. :p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOKR |
| 20:21.29 | balrog-kun | god's country radio? |
| 20:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: to WOKR: send out educational bullshit all day and night? |
| 20:23.19 | jc | programmers typo all the time, get used to it :D |
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| 20:23.37 | hozer | ROTFL |
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| 20:23.41 | balrog-kun | This network targets persons 35-64 |
| 20:23.45 | mwester | nveer mkes tpyos. |
| 20:23.45 | jc | maybe if they didn't you could suspend your FR :))) |
| 20:23.48 | hozer | curses more |
| 20:23.50 | balrog-kun | damn, i don't fit |
| 20:23.56 | jc | just kidding :D |
| 20:24.09 | hozer | I need a way to get into my neo without using USB so I can use it as a usb master |
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| 20:24.27 | jc | bt/wifi ? |
| 20:24.40 | jc | or that onboard serial console/i2c or something ? |
| 20:24.40 | hozer | no wifi on the gta01 ;) |
| 20:24.48 | mwester | suggest bluetooth PANU/NAP, with a bridge on the NAP side -- works very nicely for him with SHR. |
| 20:25.04 | mwester | (and an NSLU2 w/SLugOS as the NAP bridge device) |
| 20:25.20 | balrog-kun | normal BNEP should work too (and be easier to set up) |
| 20:25.32 | mwester | Yep. |
| 20:25.33 | hozer | mwester: that requires some other device with working bluetooth ;) |
| 20:25.47 | balrog-kun | hozer: your second Neo1973 |
| 20:25.59 | mwester | starts to count... |
| 20:26.11 | hozer | beats balrog-kun |
| 20:26.13 | jc | oooh finally i got the openmoko kernel repo cloned :)) |
| 20:26.34 | hozer | actually.. what are gta01's going for on ebay? |
| 20:27.02 | mwester | varies all over the place. but not too many gta01, mostly over-priced FRs. |
| 20:27.27 | hozer | I'll take a gta01 with busted screen or something |
| 20:27.50 | hozer | mwester: does NSLU2 have built in BT? |
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| 20:28.04 | mwester | No - I use an eBay BT dongle |
| 20:28.09 | jc | bt module with uart costs about $30 converted from our currency |
| 20:28.11 | mwester | $5 |
| 20:28.26 | hozer | so any old random BT dongle should work? |
| 20:28.34 | mwester | Pretty much |
| 20:28.35 | jc | I think rfcomm, despite being veeery slow is reliable ? |
| 20:28.57 | mjr | almost; I've heard reports of some obscure bt dongles not working properly, but most do, really |
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| 20:29.14 | jc | good luck |
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| 20:29.25 | hozer | wonders if the frogpad BT comes with a dongle |
| 20:29.30 | mwester | It's hard to find any that aren't the cambridge silion units anymore, they seem to own the market at this point. |
| 20:29.51 | hozer | will make a bestbuy run then later |
| 20:30.11 | hozer | what do I need to make a gta01 a USB master? |
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| 20:30.24 | mwester | echo a value to the right sys node |
| 20:30.33 | hozer | will it supply power? |
| 20:30.34 | mwester | (and a cable, of course) |
| 20:30.41 | mjr | that it won't |
| 20:30.43 | mwester | Very limited power. 100ma at best. |
| 20:30.53 | mjr | nnno, not at all |
| 20:30.56 | mwester | Er, FR will supply power, gta01 will not. |
| 20:31.18 | hozer | I just want to talk to the fttdi serial chip on a watts-up? power meter |
| 20:31.41 | mjr | that's rather irrelevant |
| 20:31.51 | jc | isnt that usb-serial converter ? |
| 20:31.52 | mjr | whatever you want to talk to needs power |
| 20:31.54 | hozer | can I run the radio and the cpu on 100ma? |
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| 20:32.01 | jc | it can be self powered |
| 20:32.19 | hozer | okay, so I need a 3-way cable anywey |
| 20:32.40 | hozer | put 5v on the power lines from a usb hub? |
| 20:32.42 | mjr | jc, can be, though even then there's a good chance it'll want to see 5V on the usb cable to talk |
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| 20:33.11 | emacsen | Hey, who wrote the dialer in SHR? |
| 20:33.12 | jc | if I recall correctly, usb master initiates all communication |
| 20:33.24 | emacsen | they're all new apps |
| 20:33.35 | hozer | can I get a three headed cable anywhere, or am I going to be cutting up cables? |
| 20:33.35 | emacsen | (dialer and SMS app) |
| 20:33.50 | mjr | jc, doesn't matter if the device is blissfully ignorant of the usb master being present |
| 20:34.00 | TAsn | hozer, I think you need to take out you wire stripper ;] |
| 20:34.11 | jc | which ftdi chip is it ? |
| 20:34.17 | mjr | aanyway, yeah, just get a three-pronged cable and feed power into it |
| 20:36.03 | hozer | jc: ID 0403:6001 |
| 20:36.19 | jc | btw to connect for example a usb flash to my freerunner, I just need a mini to normal usb socket cable ? |
| 20:36.28 | jc | the first is VID ? |
| 20:36.40 | hozer | yes |
| 20:37.00 | mjr | jc, pretty much yes. |
| 20:37.00 | jc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.08 | jc | thats exactly the one we use in our avr projects |
| 20:37.18 | mjr | 'cause the freerunner can be configured to give power, as said |
| 20:37.21 | jc | well, the same ID, dunno if the same chip |
| 20:37.30 | jc | mjr, thx |
| 20:37.47 | hozer | jc: I am also thinking about just reworking the wattsup meter to put 5v on the usb bus |
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| 20:37.54 | jc | well, would be useful if you knew the exact designation of the chip |
| 20:38.02 | jc | this id seems to be generic ftdi usb-uart |
| 20:38.25 | jc | hozer do you have it connected to usb right now and have the lsusb utility ? |
| 20:38.31 | hozer | yeah.. I will have to open the case. Although I would find a 3-head cable useful anyway |
| 20:38.33 | hozer | jc: yes |
| 20:38.59 | jc | hozer in lsusb -v you should see full name of the device |
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| 20:39.59 | hozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.59 | hozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.59 | hozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.59 | hozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.59 | hozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.00 | hozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.11 | jc | so its actually dtdi usb-fifo |
| 20:40.18 | jc | I think i saw one too.. |
| 20:40.53 | jc | its a low speed device, right ? |
| 20:41.08 | hozer | I am pretty sure |
| 20:41.25 | jc | lets see.. |
| 20:42.27 | jc | it could be: FT245R, FT245BM, FT245BL, FT245BQ and FT8U245AM |
| 20:43.23 | jc | and on the first one: |
| 20:43.24 | jc | # Support for bus powered, self powered, and high-power bus powered USB configurations. |
| 20:45.44 | jc | this is the device it is in ? http://www.smarthome.com/9055/Watts-Up-Power-Meter/p.aspx |
| 20:45.59 | vininim | so uh.. anyone have any hint of what OM is preparing for christmas? |
| 20:46.23 | mjr | hopes working low-level hardware support... |
| 20:46.32 | jc | a stable kernel release with all hardware working? :) |
| 20:46.43 | mjr | high-five! |
| 20:47.12 | jc | I would so love to give a hand, but I just don't orient in the kernel that much yet :/ |
| 20:48.00 | mjr | jc, hmm, sounds almost like it might possibly acknowledge being connected to a powerless host... |
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| 20:48.33 | jc | I know from practice FTDI chips can work that way, but for sure only the uart ones |
| 20:49.28 | jc | I think the only reason they have the self powered/host powered configuration is so that they can send a correct descriptor |
| 20:49.42 | jc | but anyway |
| 20:50.05 | jc | you could make a 'pass through' |
| 20:51.09 | jc | a 5V external power source, possibly with 7805 to keep things simple and two diodes to only power the client device |
| 20:51.55 | jc | ooh right, diodes are not necessary if you don't connect +5V from the host |
| 20:52.19 | mjr | and of course you might want to power both... |
| 20:52.28 | jc | wouldnt it damage the host ? |
| 20:53.11 | mjr | 01, no, 02, you probably want to make sure it's configured right... |
| 20:53.36 | jc | i think the initial pull up is arbitrary 3.3V to one data pin, so +5V from host isn't involved, right ? |
| 20:53.47 | mjr | don't know about damage though, but I wouldn't test my luck |
| 20:54.06 | jc | well.. I certainly wouldnt source current into a usb host :) |
| 20:54.18 | jc | maybe with usb otg its possible, i havent read that yet.. |
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| 20:55.32 | mjr | Into a standard host, no. We talked about nonstandard ones (gta01 in particular), where the lines don't ever do anything else than take in power |
| 20:55.49 | mjr | (and, as an aside, the 02, where it's configurable, as said) |
| 20:56.20 | jc | btw. why is there usb 1.1 in both devices ? |
| 20:56.33 | mjr | because that's what the socs provide |
| 20:57.11 | jc | of course I'm refering to the choice of the cpus :) |
| 20:57.28 | jc | I think its a shame... |
| 20:57.53 | mjr | afaik 2.0 capable ones were rather expensive when developed... |
| 20:58.15 | jc | oh.. ok... |
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| 21:02.13 | bxyrk | hey folks... i was wondering if anyone had an ideo as to where i could find something talking about gprs for att on qtextended... or is there another board for qt? |
| 21:02.21 | bxyrk | idea* |
| 21:02.48 | jc | well, it would be possible to try the net bonding driver to pass data through usb/bt/wifi simulataneously and acheive combined speed maybe... |
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| 21:04.03 | bxyrk | well.. i was just wanting to connect at all... if that was for me... |
| 21:04.28 | jc | gprs is working? :) |
| 21:05.10 | bxyrk | i haven't been able to get it to... the logs say that my ttySAC0 device was an unrecognised option through the gui |
| 21:07.45 | jc | that just reminded me, why is the wireless interface in default called eth0? ;P |
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| 21:08.46 | bxyrk | no clue.. i guess because technically it IS an ethernet device... just not quite the same media |
| 21:09.06 | jc | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 21:09.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | ask the driver guys |
| 21:09.26 | bxyrk | makies sense though... my wifi on my lappy is eth1 |
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| 21:09.34 | jc | mine is wifi0 :) |
| 21:09.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | on my laptop quite the same |
| 21:10.01 | bxyrk | eth1, wlan0, and ath0... multiple devs... |
| 21:10.08 | jc | but wifi isnt exactly ethernet on the second layer, right ? |
| 21:10.17 | jc | only similar ? |
| 21:10.38 | bxyrk | hmm.. can't remember... |
| 21:10.41 | bxyrk | not really |
| 21:10.47 | bxyrk | yeah.. simmilar |
| 21:11.31 | jc | it has arp and stuff but it also has some deterministic data flow features that totally differentiate it from bare bone ethernet |
| 21:12.12 | bxyrk | but yeah, it's just frustrating.. my choices are using neo w/o gprs, or my 8125 that works awesome with it... but really, i bought a neo... i don't want ppl seeing a wm device on me.. it's like a vegan at a steakhouse |
| 21:12.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | (layer) I'm quite sure PHY is different |
| 21:12.51 | jc | physical layer is of course different :D |
| 21:12.59 | jc | since wifi is wireless and ethernet is wired :D |
| 21:13.35 | jc | I didn't really try gprs yet, i'd love to have at least wifi working.. |
| 21:13.45 | bxyrk | yea |
| 21:15.09 | jc | I think theres absolutely not enough information yet to get people into the hacking mood on freerunner hardware |
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| 21:15.32 | jc | besides the cpu datasheet, thats the strong point |
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| 21:16.10 | mmp | is there any gtk engine which would use the same themes/colors as illume? |
| 21:16.39 | mmp | or any other way to make etk <=> gtk difference less visible? |
| 21:17.11 | mmp | (actually, gtk on freerunner with its default engine is not very usable...) |
| 21:17.30 | mmp | (speaking about default gtk engine, not the openmoko one) |
| 21:18.17 | jc | dunno, I didn't like it either |
| 21:18.25 | jc | I'm switching to gtk only... |
| 21:19.04 | jc | as for the window manager part, I don't really know what works reliably and fits on a pda.. |
| 21:19.11 | jc | e keeps crashing on me |
| 21:20.28 | bxyrk | i had e crash alot... that's why i've been using qtopia... it's been awesome, keeps the charge well and works pretty well with wifi |
| 21:21.12 | jc | I'm afraid of installing debian.. what if it doesn't recharge the battery... |
| 21:21.54 | jc | I didn't really see qtopia yet, is it usable, as in everything hardware works ? |
| 21:23.14 | bxyrk | i've only got the 512 that came with it, and a 2g sd that doesn't play well with formatting, gotta restart everytime... and when i tried debian on the 512.. i really didn't get too far into it.. |
| 21:23.23 | mmp | jc: from my point of view, gtk theme is good on normal PC, but on this device (with display DPI like on FR:) it's simply not useable witnout pen and constantly looking on the display. |
| 21:23.27 | vininim | mmm what is the status of A-GPS? The wiki is kind of confusing. |
| 21:23.48 | jc | wiki is kind of confusing on many places |
| 21:23.54 | bxyrk | well.. bluetooth gui doesn't work with new image, but other than that.. i've heard that you have to install gps apps, but it comes with alot |
| 21:24.14 | jc | mmp, I agree |
| 21:24.53 | mmp | switched to SHR yesterday, and found that there are lots of gtk apps :( |
| 21:25.02 | jc | bxyrk so calling and stuff and wifi works ? |
| 21:25.06 | mmp | with not very tuned default settings |
| 21:25.09 | bxyrk | yeah.. i have to have places on the screen that just about no matter what go back.. driving + making calls on debian... scary |
| 21:25.50 | bxyrk | yeah.. volume seems low.. but i get no problems.. every now and then.. incoming calls start with speakerphone.. but hardly any problems |
| 21:25.59 | jc | and what about the 'linux from scratch' aproach? :) |
| 21:26.13 | jc | you know, everything by hand |
| 21:26.37 | jc | and a capable armv4t crosscompiler of course :D |
| 21:26.57 | bxyrk | hmm.. closest i've come to that was gentoo... did one install.. then switched to ubuntu.. i just don't have the time to tinker anymore |
| 21:27.07 | bxyrk | ..on desktop.. |
| 21:27.08 | jc | I use gentoo on all my computers and servers.. |
| 21:27.29 | jc | its actually quite comfy when you get used to it |
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| 21:27.42 | woglinde | hi |
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| 21:27.48 | jc | hello |
| 21:28.10 | woglinde | could some one do me a favour and is able to build libxcomp for the gta02? |
| 21:28.31 | jc | woglinde is arm crosscompiler sufficient for that task ? |
| 21:28.41 | jc | binutils+gcc |
| 21:28.48 | bxyrk | i've used it alot.. and i like.. but installs are scary.. and with a broken desktop, a borrowed lappy and only the hdd being mine and no funds for it all.. it gets scary |
| 21:28.51 | jc | +libc I think |
| 21:28.58 | woglinde | jc x too |
| 21:29.06 | woglinde | jc I could do it my self |
| 21:29.12 | woglinde | but that would be last 4 hours |
| 21:29.19 | woglinde | I do not want waited yet |
| 21:29.27 | woglinde | jc with openembedded of course |
| 21:29.29 | jc | libxcomp is some part of xorg ? |
| 21:29.34 | woglinde | jc nope |
| 21:29.42 | woglinde | its working with x stuff |
| 21:29.50 | woglinde | but comes from nomachine |
| 21:30.08 | woglinde | so its not a really a part of xorg |
| 21:30.25 | woglinde | if you heard of the nx server |
| 21:30.56 | jc | so its part of some X implementation called nx ? |
| 21:31.09 | woglinde | its a compression lib for x protocl |
| 21:31.14 | bxyrk | nomachine? |
| 21:31.21 | jc | oh |
| 21:31.30 | woglinde | so you can use x-connection even over modem connections |
| 21:31.36 | woglinde | www.nomachine.com |
| 21:32.12 | woglinde | want to try it on the freerunner |
| 21:32.20 | woglinde | but zecke forget to copy me this lib |
| 21:32.24 | jc | well I think I don't have the necessary requiered libraries compiled |
| 21:32.38 | jc | only thing I did with arms yet was flashing leds and reading sd cards |
| 21:32.43 | woglinde | jc but you have the gcc and glibc ready from oe? |
| 21:32.45 | jc | so it would take time I guess |
| 21:32.54 | jc | I have them compiled by hand |
| 21:32.58 | woglinde | oh |
| 21:33.30 | jc | with cflags that seem to be compatible with freerunner as a matter of coincidence |
| 21:33.38 | jc | i got it just yesterday (freerunner) |
| 21:33.47 | jc | but I didn't try any compiled binary yet... |
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| 21:34.30 | jc | since I can't get the damn wifi working :D |
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| 21:39.31 | jc | btw. do you know if wakeup from rtc is working ? |
| 21:40.06 | vininim | I think alarms apps use that, and seems to work |
| 21:40.50 | jc | thx |
| 21:47.20 | SUNWjoejaxx | anyone know what pander's irc nick is? |
| 21:48.12 | sicu | anybody know how to turn off password request when SSH'ing to the FR ? |
| 21:48.38 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r87a53672b66b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (13 files in 9 dirs): ogsmd: cosmetics |
| 21:48.44 | viq | sicu: use ssh keys |
| 21:49.07 | sicu | I've tried editing dropbear and adding DROPBEAR_EXTRA_ARGS="-s", but after doing that it won't let me in anymore :/ |
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| 21:50.57 | sicu | viq: i have created SSH key on desktop and copied the .pub to the FR |
| 21:51.38 | viq | sicu: make sure the authorized_keys is not group/world writeable |
| 21:51.53 | jc | sicu I guess you should allow passwordless root, dunno how but I think it has to do with dropbearconfig and pam |
| 21:52.17 | sicu | hmmm |
| 21:52.27 | sicu | ok, thanks ... i will look into it |
| 21:54.00 | jc | ooh you mean completely request keyboard interactive login ? |
| 21:54.15 | jc | yes, viq is right, you should use ssh key then |
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| 22:11.17 | jbick | could anyone point me in the right direction on how to compile a kernel module using the toolchain? |
| 22:12.10 | Spanska | Can the Freerunner vibrate when it receives a phone call? |
| 22:12.21 | max_posedon | Spanska, yes |
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| 22:12.58 | max_posedon | "meeting" mode, if you are useing qtextended |
| 22:13.04 | Spanska | max_posedon: is this supported in FSO? |
| 22:14.02 | max_posedon | I think yes, but didn't know anything about it |
| 22:14.53 | Spanska | What does qtextended GUI's look like? |
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| 22:28.58 | emacsen | umm... |
| 22:29.03 | emacsen | what the heck? |
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| 22:29.07 | emacsen | emacsian? |
| 22:29.29 | emacsen | I wonder if they look like me with a goatee |
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| 22:53.14 | vininim | mmm how does one connect to an AP in latest lint-wifi in FDOM? |
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| 23:00.59 | igor3234 | good news everybody! |
| 23:01.15 | igor3234 | glamo is much faster with the latest kernels |
| 23:01.26 | Tig| | really? |
| 23:01.30 | igor3234 | i'm seeing a cca. 50% improvement in fps |
| 23:01.35 | Tig| | woot! |
| 23:01.42 | igor3234 | yupp |
| 23:01.49 | igor3234 | i'm also really excited |
| 23:01.56 | Tig| | cheers igor3234 opening a beer here to celebrate :) well done all :) |
| 23:01.57 | Deubeuliou | waow :) |
| 23:02.12 | igor3234 | yeah, bottoms up everybody :) |
| 23:02.18 | Tig| | 50% increase? that is a hell of a lot :) |
| 23:02.25 | valos[fr] | yep, 50% is a lot |
| 23:02.27 | Tig| | where did it all come from? |
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| 23:02.42 | igor3234 | from a patch that increases the glamos clock |
| 23:02.46 | igor3234 | by 60% |
| 23:02.48 | igor3234 | :) |
| 23:03.16 | Tig| | is it stable at that? or was glamo not being run at full clock speed? |
| 23:03.32 | igor3234 | according to the commit logs it's stable |
| 23:03.50 | igor3234 | i'm testing it with an opengl app someone posted on the ML |
| 23:03.59 | igor3234 | it used to give me 9 fps or so |
| 23:04.15 | Deubeuliou | I can't mount my SD card on my computer: I formated it in 2 partitions: an ext3 and a fat. I can mount the fat, but not the ext3 |
| 23:04.18 | igor3234 | i got 14,3 now |
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| 23:04.32 | igor3234 | that's about 50% right? :) |
| 23:04.35 | Deubeuliou | sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/mokoroot/ |
| 23:04.42 | Tig| | any idea when it is due to hit the FSO or SHR trees or is this long term stuff? |
| 23:04.57 | Deubeuliou | returns "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk0p2, |
| 23:05.17 | Deubeuliou | and a dmesg tells that VFS is unable to find an ext3 fs |
| 23:05.30 | igor3234 | Tig|: well you can try it right now, i'm also using the new bootloader, and it boots a half minute sooner |
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| 23:05.51 | igor3234 | i didn't touch SHR, just different kernel and bootloader |
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| 23:10.22 | Tig| | igor3234: where did you get the kernel images from or did you build it from source? |
| 23:10.49 | igor3234 | http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ |
| 23:11.11 | Tig| | thanks :) |
| 23:11.36 | igor3234 | np :) |
| 23:12.52 | valos[fr] | igor3234: should I replace modules in /lib/modules too? |
| 23:14.06 | igor3234 | i didn't |
| 23:14.16 | valos[fr] | igor3234: ok |
| 23:14.47 | pieterc | someone tried hackable 1 yet? |
| 23:14.50 | pieterc | seems nice... |
| 23:15.51 | igor3234 | everybody trying the new kernel, bear in mind, neither the bootloader nor the image fully work the first time |
| 23:15.58 | igor3234 | i have no reason why |
| 23:16.01 | igor3234 | *idea |
| 23:17.27 | igor3234 | scummvm is finally smooth, and no sound breakage, thank you kernel team, i'm opening up a can of stella :) |
| 23:17.50 | pieterc | igor, you make a belgian smile ;) |
| 23:18.27 | igor3234 | and i'm helping your economy too ;) |
| 23:18.53 | mmp | is there any particular reason why openmoko distributions use gtk 2.10, instead of gtk 2.14 (so far I've seen fastscaling patch...) |
| 23:18.54 | pieterc | hm... actually Stella ain't that good anymore ;) |
| 23:19.00 | pieterc | 50% Brazilian now;) |
| 23:20.02 | igor3234 | bah, it's good enough for me :) |
| 23:20.40 | Zorkman | safir for the win :p |
| 23:21.48 | pieterc | igor3234: opening a box of Raznjici |
| 23:22.43 | igor3234 | raznjiÄi rock my world ;) |
| 23:22.51 | igor3234 | *ražnjiÄi |
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| 23:23.02 | igor3234 | hope noone minds utf-8 :) |
| 23:23.02 | pieterc | (and what about bakalar for Christmass ;)) |
| 23:23.14 | pieterc | ( i don't have those characters on my keyboard:D |
| 23:23.22 | igor3234 | yeah i'm gonna eat a lot of that this year :) |
| 23:23.32 | pieterc | no idea what those are:d |
| 23:23.45 | pieterc | oh |
| 23:23.50 | pieterc | Wikipedia seems helpfull ;) |
| 23:24.10 | igor3234 | what specific article are you looking at? |
| 23:24.16 | igor3234 | i also wanna learn :) |
| 23:24.20 | pieterc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_cuisine |
| 23:25.22 | igor3234 | how extensive :D |
| 23:26.15 | pieterc | neat;) |
| 23:28.12 | pieterc | http://www.dfki.uni-kl.de/~grimnes/2008/10/dilbert/dilbertrequirements.jpg |
| 23:28.32 | pieterc | change the last sentence to: I can make a program that makes a mooo cow appear on the screen... |
| 23:29.43 | igor3234 | openmoocow, what a great piece of software it is |
| 23:30.00 | igor3234 | openmoko's own killer app :) |
| 23:30.16 | viq | How many casualties so far? ;) |
| 23:30.26 | pieterc | We should change that cartoon and put it on to the jokes page;) |
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| 23:31.05 | Tig| | pieterc: I don't understand.... what needs changing? |
| 23:31.30 | pieterc | the last sentence of this cartoon i referred to |
| 23:31.38 | pieterc | change fish by moo cow |
| 23:32.05 | Tig| | pieterc: apologies I was being sarcastic :) |
| 23:32.29 | pieterc | -sigh- ;) |
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| 23:34.16 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.16 | kd8ikt | < Moo > |
| 23:34.16 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.16 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.17 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.19 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.21 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.24 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.40 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.45 | pieterc | er... nice? :d |
| 23:34.46 | igor3234 | cowsay, also a great piece of software ;) |
| 23:34.48 | zash | kd8ikt: NO U |
| 23:35.11 | valos[fr] | igor3234: my u-boot can't get the new kernel? which u-boot version should I used? |
| 23:35.27 | igor3234 | i didn't work with u-boot for me |
| 23:35.31 | igor3234 | only with qi |
| 23:35.40 | lbc | hello OpenMoko community ; I gave up a party tonight, after I starting SSH'ing into my GTA02... |
| 23:35.53 | igor3234 | i partied yesterday so i can ssh today |
| 23:36.38 | pieterc | -looks confused- |
| 23:36.38 | igor3234 | valos[fr]: don't forget to read about qi on the wiki, it's confusing at first |
| 23:36.45 | Deubeuliou | I think my microSD card is dead .... I got a plenty of I/O Error in dmesg when trying to mkfs.ext2 ... however, mkfs.ext2 doesn't complain itself |
| 23:36.54 | pieterc | can you flash using qi? |
| 23:37.02 | pieterc | I mean, use dfu |
| 23:37.03 | kd8ikt | dont think so |
| 23:37.08 | pieterc | i thought... |
| 23:37.10 | igor3234 | no, u have to use the NOR uboot for that |
| 23:37.13 | Deubeuliou | and then, I can't mount the partition. (I don't have this problem with a fat FS) |
| 23:37.15 | pieterc | oh |
| 23:37.15 | pieterc | okay |
| 23:37.34 | igor3234 | but it's faster, the wiki page claims 40 seconds |
| 23:37.49 | Deubeuliou | fsck.ext2 can't perform, even when specifying a rescue superblock. |
| 23:38.06 | Deubeuliou | anyone has any idea to check whether my card is definitly dead or not ? |
| 23:38.21 | igor3234 | i wouldn't know :/ |
| 23:38.39 | pieterc | tried to reformat it entirely yet? |
| 23:39.06 | Deubeuliou | yes. I made a shred, then I made a vfat FS on the whole card (after fdisk'd it) |
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| 23:41.08 | pieterc | hm |
| 23:41.15 | lbc | is there a known optimal transfer size to use with dfu-util when error -110 keep happening during backup ? |
| 23:42.28 | pieterc | no idea... |
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| 23:42.55 | pieterc | (no idea on both problems;)) |
| 23:45.06 | lbc | apparently, the lower transfer size, the quicker I get an error (more or less)... |
| 23:45.45 | Deubeuliou | ok. I was planning to buy a bunch of cards, anyway |
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| 23:47.24 | kd8ikt | ive had problems with everything except a sandisk |
| 23:48.31 | lbc | I bought 3 different SDHC cards this afternoon, thinking I'd give them a benchmark and update the wiki |
| 23:48.49 | Deubeuliou | kd8ikt, ok, I take note |
| 23:49.08 | lbc | are the class 2 / class 4 / class 6 labels to be taken seriously ? |
| 23:49.37 | Fougner | HIYA! |
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| 23:54.13 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.38 | slaxxin | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/timeline |
| 23:54.38 | kd8ikt | whoah i almost pasted 66 lines |
| 23:57.53 | slaxxin | shr completed? |
| 23:58.01 | slaxxin | thats great |
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| 23:58.29 | slaxxin | milestone 1 |
| 23:59.03 | pieterc | great to hear it live;) |
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