| 00:00.12 | sicu | FR-Desktop > Settings > Suspend > Off ;] |
| 00:00.47 | anttna | I just pulled out the usb without exiting from the desktop is that bad? |
| 00:01.04 | sicu | nah, that's fine |
| 00:01.41 | anttna | all my settings are unknown i'll reboot |
| 00:01.54 | sicu | you might end up having to do: ifdown usb0; ifup usb0; to get it to connect next time, but that's all |
| 00:02.00 | sicu | all settings unknown ? |
| 00:02.07 | sicu | meaning ? |
| 00:02.56 | anttna | pass |
| 00:04.14 | sicu | pass should be same ? |
| 00:04.34 | anttna | three unknowns out of five now |
| 00:07.30 | anttna | it suspends but as it is unknown i can't alter it, oh well i'm going to give up for tonight |
| 00:08.15 | sicu | not sure i know what you mean |
| 00:08.27 | slaxxin | latest shr? |
| 00:08.32 | sicu | what is unknown? the password for ssh'ing to the freerunner ? |
| 00:08.48 | sicu | slaxxin: yes |
| 00:09.42 | slaxxin | shutdown menu an 4 desktops |
| 00:10.45 | sicu | hmm, i must've flashed an older image then |
| 00:11.00 | sicu | *getting latest* |
| 00:11.21 | slaxxin | no i used the illume instead of the ilume-shr |
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| 00:11.35 | slaxxin | maybe:) |
| 00:12.01 | slaxxin | icons missing |
| 00:12.20 | slaxxin | gps worked rather quickly for me |
| 00:12.53 | slaxxin | vagalume hooked up with iptables configuration |
| 00:13.05 | anttna | slaxxin:latest shr? yes |
| 00:13.35 | slaxxin | messages thrpws an error every time |
| 00:13.45 | slaxxin | yes |
| 00:14.20 | ^wd^ | http://stavcom.ru/vistaonfr.jpg sry for lo quality :) |
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| 00:14.38 | slaxxin | time 17.51 |
| 00:14.40 | anttna | sicu: what is unknownon on the settings screen there are gprs, bluetooth etc each with a value on off etc. Only bluetooth and brightness can be changed the others say unknown |
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| 00:15.06 | slaxxin | yup proly trying to get away from that system |
| 00:15.15 | anttna | i'm usin illume-shr |
| 00:15.47 | sicu | anttna: ah, getcha, must be something they did that isn't updated on mine :/ |
| 00:16.10 | slaxxin | illume-shr has a small black-white battery an illume has a green battery |
| 00:16.40 | slaxxin | i thimnk |
| 00:16.46 | sicu | correct |
| 00:18.07 | sicu | anttna: then turn off suspend by editing: /etc/frameworkd.conf and under the section: [odeviced.idlenotifier], just add: suspend = 0 |
| 00:18.28 | anttna | success i got a fix |
| 00:18.44 | sicu | anttna: great .. congrats ! |
| 00:18.57 | anttna | even kept going as i walked into the kitchen |
| 00:19.33 | slaxxin | watch out for that tree |
| 00:19.41 | sicu | yeh, it will loose connection quickly enough, epsecially if there's concrete :/ |
| 00:19.52 | anttna | and is still going i'm in the living room 2 meters away from a window behind blinds and a curtain |
| 00:19.54 | slaxxin | ok download the arial maps |
| 00:20.32 | anttna | what the hech i slept last night |
| 00:20.45 | slaxxin | for your favorite deer hunting spot first thing |
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| 00:21.08 | sicu | anttna: i take it you turned off suspend? or did you keep tapping the screen to help it stay awake? ;p |
| 00:21.17 | anttna | not many deer in Belfast |
| 00:21.18 | sicu | yeh ... who need sleep |
| 00:21.58 | slaxxin | u guys ate them all |
| 00:22.42 | slaxxin | why are some icons missing? |
| 00:23.02 | slaxxin | sicu are there icons missing for u? |
| 00:23.13 | anttna | many many years ago, now we are doing the same to fish! |
| 00:24.00 | sicu | slaxxin: not atm, i will upgrade now to see what's happened in latest |
| 00:24.05 | slaxxin | the illume theme is more feature rich |
| 00:24.15 | sicu | wrench is missing, and possibly icons too :/ |
| 00:24.36 | slaxxin | more stuff in the top drop shelf |
| 00:24.49 | slaxxin | wrench is there on mine |
| 00:25.13 | sicu | not on illume-shr |
| 00:25.52 | slaxxin | cool shutdown menu |
| 00:26.54 | slaxxin | menu system in config menu is much better |
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| 00:35.55 | anttna | this is amazing :) |
| 00:38.01 | sicu | slaxxin: ok, i get no PIN request on latest, so that's why apps that use ophonekitd exit with an application execution error |
| 00:38.18 | sicu | contacts, messages, dialer |
| 00:39.22 | slaxxin | ok |
| 00:39.57 | slaxxin | anttna ok now install navit |
| 00:39.58 | ^wd^ | http://stavcom.ru/vistaonfr1.jpg thats better :) |
| 00:40.06 | sicu | slaxxin: i take it you've turned off PIN request on your SIM ? |
| 00:40.56 | sicu | ^wd^: haha, running vista ... that's even worse than my WindowsME attempt ;p |
| 00:41.12 | slaxxin | i just use an htc for my phone since it was so frustrating trying to use openmoko for the phone |
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| 00:41.34 | sicu | ^wd^: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0676ddd738734e2469549b8aafd8aff0.png |
| 00:41.36 | ^wd^ | just vbox on desctop actually :) |
| 00:41.45 | sicu | ahh =] |
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| 00:42.18 | slaxxin | just today |
| 00:43.35 | anttna | root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install navit |
| 00:43.37 | anttna | An error ocurred, return value: -51104. |
| 00:46.06 | sicu | anttna: yeh, seems there are some issues with the latest build |
| 00:46.36 | sicu | i'll wait for tomorrow, things might get sorted |
| 00:46.43 | anttna | how can i set the time? |
| 00:47.01 | sicu | slaxxin: seems ophonekitd isn't initiated at all in latest, or at least fails |
| 00:47.33 | sicu | slaxxin: you can do it manually by: DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& |
| 00:48.14 | sicu | anttna: jsut use the date command |
| 00:49.00 | sicu | date MMDDhhmmCCYY |
| 00:49.41 | eric_j | does anyone know the solution to the problem on wifi where you're trying to ping it and nothing is happening and then all of a sudden you get like 45 ping responses back at once? |
| 00:50.10 | sicu | anttna: and make sure you push it to HW clock by: hwclock --systohc |
| 00:50.49 | sicu | anttna: otherwise your time will start lagging whenever you're in suspend or shutdown |
| 00:51.22 | sicu | eric_j: nope, sorry ... havn't had that issue here |
| 00:51.40 | Dave | :o |
| 00:52.28 | anttna | sicu: can i use pipe to join the two commands or just do it on two lines? |
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| 00:54.33 | Spanska | Does anyone have a Freerunner phone? |
| 00:55.07 | slaxxin | lots |
| 00:55.24 | anttna | spanska: just one |
| 00:55.26 | slaxxin | Dave has lots |
| 00:55.34 | FxChiP | Dave has lots? |
| 00:55.37 | FxChiP | DAVE |
| 00:55.41 | FxChiP | YOU'VE BEEN HOLDING OUT ON ME |
| 00:55.41 | Dave | Zorkman: /me hides |
| 00:55.46 | Spanska | Is the screen really 43mm x 58 mm? |
| 00:55.46 | Dave | hides |
| 00:55.49 | FxChiP | D:< |
| 00:55.51 | FxChiP | hehe |
| 00:55.52 | slaxxin | ooo nos |
| 00:55.55 | Dave | runes |
| 00:56.00 | FxChiP | chases |
| 00:56.17 | slaxxin | bain loads his gun |
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| 00:58.15 | sicu | anttna: you can pipe =] |
| 00:58.28 | anttna | did it on two , many thanks |
| 00:59.45 | anttna | i'm really going to the arms of Morpheus this time |
| 01:00.24 | sicu | ok .. nn |
| 01:00.36 | Spanska | isn't the screen too small for finger-only operation? |
| 01:01.03 | Dave | :p |
| 01:06.58 | sicu | does some pro artwork in gpe-scetch with his potato-fingers |
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| 01:13.06 | Dave | sicu :D |
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| 01:26.35 | FxChiP | Seriously |
| 01:26.36 | FxChiP | Dave |
| 01:26.40 | FxChiP | You said you had a lot of FreeRunners |
| 01:27.00 | FxChiP | you wouldn't have been lying to me now, would you, Dave/ |
| 01:27.01 | FxChiP | ? |
| 01:27.56 | Dave | No, I do. :p |
| 01:28.02 | Dave | (have many, that is) |
| 01:28.15 | Dave | Unfortunately I can't just give them out though :p |
| 01:30.25 | Fougner_ | Dave! :D |
| 01:32.44 | rooly | so |
| 01:33.11 | rooly | does anyone know whether or not i should upgrade from the openmoko repo's while using qte? |
| 01:41.12 | FxChiP | Dave |
| 01:41.15 | FxChiP | Why can't you just give them out? |
| 01:41.17 | FxChiP | :( |
| 01:41.39 | rooly | so apparently nobody has been brave enough to use qte as a linux phone thus far |
| 01:41.39 | FxChiP | How do you know I won't solve every issue everyone has ever had with the FR ever? ;) |
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| 01:42.25 | Dave | :P |
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| 01:44.52 | slaxxin | that would be nice |
| 01:45.31 | slaxxin | lets take up a collection for FxChip since he dont have a job |
| 01:45.37 | FxChiP | I have a job |
| 01:45.41 | Dave | :D |
| 01:45.46 | FxChiP | Just not one that pays me enough that I can blow $399 at the drop of a hat |
| 01:45.51 | slaxxin | well buy a freerunner then |
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| 01:46.26 | slaxxin | 2.5 years isnt a drop of a hat |
| 01:46.50 | slaxxin | an im old |
| 01:46.51 | FxChiP | Speaking of 2.5 years, that isn't the time between FreeRunner and GTA03, is it? |
| 01:47.03 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.36 | doc|home | really? it's not that big a revision |
| 01:48.34 | rooly | is it gonna have a camera this time? |
| 01:48.56 | slaxxin | cameras are not what im looking for |
| 01:49.02 | rooly | me either |
| 01:49.35 | Spanska | a bigger screen would be nice |
| 01:49.42 | rooly | but a whole bunch of idiot deuchbags on the intrar webs said, "i can't buy a phone unless it has a camera. i must have my camera. oh, and i need 3g...gotta have hundred-dollar dialup" |
| 01:49.48 | rooly | agreed, Spanska |
| 01:50.52 | FxChiP | is breaking his computer. bbl |
| 01:50.56 | Dave | :D |
| 01:51.01 | Dave | Hey, that's my job! |
| 01:51.28 | slaxxin | dont mess wit the union |
| 01:51.46 | FxChiP | or not |
| 01:51.49 | FxChiP | downloading one more thing |
| 01:51.55 | slaxxin | what? |
| 01:51.55 | FxChiP | THEN I will break my computer (assuming it boots) |
| 01:52.07 | FxChiP | is going to attempt a BIOS upgrade to see if it won't fix his fucked-up "computer not booting" issue |
| 01:52.13 | rooly | is having to download his entire music library from his phone... |
| 01:52.28 | slaxxin | power supply changhed already/ |
| 01:52.39 | rooly | because my computer won't read freakin SD cards for some reason |
| 01:53.00 | slaxxin | chances are if it used to run ok a bios upgrade wont help |
| 01:53.26 | rooly | oh, the machine recognizes it just fine |
| 01:53.33 | rooly | and it worked plenty well with linux |
| 01:53.47 | rooly | but i've installed vista ... dunno why really... and it doesn't work |
| 01:53.55 | slaxxin | well |
| 01:54.11 | slaxxin | get that cracked glass off there |
| 01:54.20 | rooly | lol |
| 01:54.38 | rooly | i can honestly say i have no idea why i did it |
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| 01:58.33 | Dave | rooly :P |
| 01:58.59 | rooly | mmhmm |
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| 02:00.17 | slaxxin | maybe you are using an old card reader that wont read sdhc cards? |
| 02:00.25 | rooly | nope |
| 02:00.32 | rooly | works in linux |
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| 02:02.48 | slaxxin | i guess it would be a suprise if 2008.11 released on the last day of the month |
| 02:07.05 | rooly | i'd be suprised if it released at all |
| 02:07.17 | rooly | i still wish they woulda stuck to the old gtk interface |
| 02:07.31 | rooly | but thats only cause it seems to startup alot faster for some reason |
| 02:10.22 | FxChiP | is NOW breaking his computer, downloads are done |
| 02:11.21 | slaxxin | seen the hackable1? |
| 02:11.25 | rooly | considers compiling an ide for his FR |
| 02:11.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03werner * r4837 10/developers/werner/wlan-trial/ (Makefile opkg-cache/ wlan-trial.init wlan-trial.myroot): Further customization for WLAN trial. |
| 02:12.42 | Dave | :D |
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| 02:59.44 | slaxxin | i need a new image |
| 03:01.18 | vininim | tried fdom? |
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| 03:12.53 | sicu | anybody in here flashed their GSM fw? |
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| 03:48.51 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.48 | sicu | did you have SIM card inserted whilst flashing? |
| 03:50.16 | sicu | not that it matters now, as mine is happily flashing away with SIM present |
| 03:52.36 | Dave | :) |
| 03:52.43 | Dave | Sicu, you talking about Qi? |
| 03:53.21 | sicu | Dave: not this time |
| 03:53.29 | sicu | flashing calypso |
| 03:53.52 | sicu | moko10 gsm fw |
| 03:54.09 | sicu | trying to get a 3G SIM going |
| 03:55.03 | Dave | :D |
| 03:55.05 | Dave | yay |
| 03:55.17 | Dave | yeah, fucking #1024 :p |
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| 03:57.45 | sicu | =D |
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| 04:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 04:26.18 | kd8ikt | i need a beer |
| 04:26.52 | vininim | no, you need a speech. :) |
| 04:27.26 | Dave | Hey Mwester, you around? |
| 04:31.17 | sicu | sigh, flashing takes forever |
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| 04:32.26 | vininim | what is the policy of wiki articles in om.org related to non-official distributions? |
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| 04:37.43 | slaxxin | anubody tried hackable1 yet? |
| 04:38.00 | slaxxin | u dont have to flash |
| 04:38.15 | slaxxin | 5 min. |
| 04:38.57 | slaxxin | btw ..ITS A WIKI |
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| 04:42.41 | vininim | mm gesd is eating battery |
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| 04:53.28 | slaxxin | on fdom? |
| 04:54.47 | vininim | yes |
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| 05:02.54 | d-b | anyone tested osip yet ? |
| 05:05.02 | kd8ikt | ok my phone is completely fucked |
| 05:05.19 | kd8ikt | time to start from scratch |
| 05:06.20 | vininim | I know the feeling |
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| 05:54.39 | kd8ikt | but i'm getting some good ideas |
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| 06:10.46 | Owner | Hello. I have a couple of questions concerning the phone |
| 06:11.03 | Owner | I wanted to know if the phone could be recommended for everyday joes like myself |
| 06:11.27 | Owner | not a techie nor a guy with an engineering degree but am interested in owning a phone for the features and giving some excercise to using bash |
| 06:17.41 | Sonokamome | sorry same guy with the question just under different name |
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| 09:01.55 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:02.27 | methril | G'morning |
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| 09:04.11 | snake | wassup |
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| 10:42.05 | Nobody96 | moin |
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| 10:52.09 | frojnd | Hello there. |
| 10:52.32 | frojnd | Just one question. Does openmoko support umts hdsdpa sim cards now ? |
| 10:52.57 | snake | guess yes, cos i use such sim |
| 10:53.37 | frojnd | great |
| 10:53.58 | frojnd | I love our national op for mobile :D |
| 10:54.15 | Inc_Vega | but problem with SD card ))) |
| 10:54.33 | frojnd | for 4eur I have free cals in it's network, and from 1.12. I can transfer 50mb with hsdpa :P |
| 10:54.44 | frojnd | Inc_Vega: SD ? |
| 10:54.48 | Inc_Vega | yes |
| 10:54.54 | frojnd | what is SD |
| 10:55.00 | frojnd | normal cards ? |
| 10:55.01 | Inc_Vega | 2Gb Transend |
| 10:55.01 | snake | microSD cards |
| 10:55.06 | Inc_Vega | micro SD |
| 10:55.06 | frojnd | Inc_Vega: oh |
| 10:55.09 | frojnd | right :) |
| 10:55.32 | frojnd | If I'm aware om has 2.0 usb port ? |
| 10:55.34 | snake | Inc_Vega : do u try decrease clock speed of glamo-mci? |
| 10:55.41 | Inc_Vega | yes |
| 10:55.41 | frojnd | so I could plug in external 3.5 hard drive ? |
| 10:55.53 | gromez | frojnd: USB 1.1 |
| 10:55.58 | Inc_Vega | anyway still probmel wiht I/O |
| 10:55.59 | frojnd | hm |
| 10:56.11 | frojnd | Inc_Vega: will gta03 have 2.0 ? |
| 10:56.19 | frojnd | or why does it have 1.0, is 2.0 closed ? |
| 10:56.26 | frojnd | 1.1 * |
| 10:56.57 | snake | Inc_Vega : is suspend disabled? |
| 10:56.58 | henk | frojnd: 2.0 provides more power (which is bad for the fr) and usually the usb2.0 speed is not needed in a mobile device... |
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| 10:57.18 | henk | frojnd: and 1.1 is cheaper i guess... |
| 10:57.41 | Inc_Vega | glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 changed |
| 10:58.02 | Inc_Vega | but 0 result :( |
| 10:58.10 | henk | frojnd: see http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/QuestionsAndAnswers |
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| 10:58.58 | snake | Inc_Vega : kernel? |
| 10:59.19 | Inc_Vega | last for QT |
| 10:59.58 | Inc_Vega | uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin |
| 10:59.59 | snake | do u saw this https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802 ? |
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| 11:01.32 | Inc_Vega | who can use new image 10 for GSM modem ? |
| 11:01.44 | snake | i use |
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| 11:02.26 | Inc_Vega | which status regardin modem ? |
| 11:02.42 | Inc_Vega | \regarding |
| 11:02.56 | snake | it works :) |
| 11:02.59 | Inc_Vega | ))) |
| 11:03.00 | Inc_Vega | nice |
| 11:03.10 | Inc_Vega | perfect )))) |
| 11:04.03 | Inc_Vega | Right now I have moko8, Just I need to update or still wait stable ? |
| 11:04.26 | elserpiente | if u have problem with gsm, maybe u should |
| 11:05.51 | Inc_Vega | So according emails all people have problem (noice echo ... every time reconnect .. after send SMS gsm down ... ) |
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| 11:09.40 | Inc_Vega | Who can help me, How many problems fixed in moko10 ? |
| 11:10.12 | Shlee | The 3G simcard issue should be fixed. |
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| 11:10.40 | Shlee | the echo is software/mode update.. |
| 11:10.54 | Inc_Vega | what about echo,reconnect,noice ? |
| 11:10.59 | Shlee | the register bouncing is in the air.. not due for the moko10 AFAIK |
| 11:11.36 | Inc_Vega | \noise |
| 11:12.46 | Inc_Vega | So, if I have moko8 is it ok ? |
| 11:13.06 | Inc_Vega | only 3G sim issue was fixed ? |
| 11:13.10 | Shlee | The echo should be fixed using the echo filtering on the calypso, the noise should be fixed with the volume levels |
| 11:13.22 | Shlee | they are important bugs |
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| 11:14.39 | elserpiente | how works on it is going? |
| 11:18.09 | Inc_Vega | How to make working micro SD 2Gb from Transcend ? |
| 11:18.59 | Shlee | I recommend reading the docs or mailing lists |
| 11:18.59 | elserpiente | when u get I/O errors? what u do> |
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| 11:19.14 | Inc_Vega | yes I have I/O issue |
| 11:19.53 | Inc_Vega | update setenv bootargs glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 |
| 11:20.37 | Inc_Vega | but I is't works. |
| 11:21.33 | elserpiente | i mean what you do(read/write/mount) with SD when you get error |
| 11:22.36 | Inc_Vega | I have problem during boot Freeruneer :) I/O ---- --- bla bla bla ) |
| 11:22.59 | Inc_Vega | df -h can't see SD card |
| 11:23.07 | Inc_Vega | only internal NAND |
| 11:23.16 | elserpiente | booting from SD? |
| 11:23.30 | Inc_Vega | no form NAND |
| 11:24.45 | elserpiente | can u fdisk /dev/mmcblck? |
| 11:25.07 | Inc_Vega | QT installed on NAND and many musik on SD (fat) I want to use freerunner like player (another feature is't works untill today IMHO) |
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| 11:27.44 | elserpiente | have to go |
| 11:27.47 | elserpiente | later |
| 11:27.59 | Inc_Vega | ) |
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| 11:31.25 | henk | Inc_Vega: does fdisk -l /dev/mmcblck work? what does it say? |
| 11:32.26 | Inc_Vega | Ok I will check it later ) |
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| 12:20.52 | oon | hello |
| 12:20.58 | oon | on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3#Installation |
| 12:21.08 | oon | http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/androidfs.jffs2 is a dead link |
| 12:22.04 | oon | where can i find androidfs.jffs2 ? |
| 12:22.48 | henk | oon: some people in here seem to have one. can't remember who though... |
| 12:23.40 | oon | ok thx, i'll ask again later if i don't find on google :p |
| 12:24.45 | Spanska | let me check here.. |
| 12:24.59 | henk | i'm just grepping my logs, perhaps there is a sensible url in there... |
| 12:25.35 | henk | ./#openmoko.20081117.log:19:20 < mokolade> fursund, http://rapidshare.com/files/164723347/androidfs-20081110.jffs2.html ;) |
| 12:25.36 | Spanska | it's not in Android's SDK.. |
| 12:25.56 | henk | ./#openmoko.20081125.log:13:34 < zerghase> http://141.84.121.143/androidfs.jffs2 |
| 12:25.59 | henk | ./#openmoko.20081125.log:13:38 < zerghase> http://www.die-informatiker.eu/zerghase/androidfs.jffs2 |
| 12:26.07 | henk | tell me if none of those work, i'll see if i have more |
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| 12:28.29 | oon | henk: ok i'll try this, thanks :) |
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| 12:35.44 | Shlee | How is android going? |
| 12:38.03 | |Marco|_ | has anyone got the messager app on om2008.x to work propperly ? I have to reboot the moko every time I want to check for new mwssages, and I can't send as far as I've seen. Ringing is another deal.. |
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| 12:55.08 | oon | Shlee: booting android and .. black screen for 2 min :p |
| 12:55.33 | Inc_Vega | wellcome to openmoko ) |
| 12:55.45 | oon | :) |
| 12:55.46 | Inc_Vega | is it normal |
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| 12:59.10 | Inc_Vega | Wellcome to the solder side (SOAD ) |
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| 13:01.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5e0ece806b7f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (9 files in 4 dirs): |
| 13:01.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: major refactoring of call handling into abstract callHandler. |
| 13:01.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: WARNING: Work in progress -- this might destabilize callhandling for a while |
| 13:01.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r0d8946023f97 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: |
| 13:01.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix a bug when using singleline channel |
| 13:02.00 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This patch add the methods `setIntermediateResponseCallback` and |
| 13:02.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: `handleUnsolicitedResponse` into AbstractModemChannel. |
| 13:02.04 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r79418c6cc20f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/singleline/modem.py: ogsmd: use 'serial' conf parameter to find the serial line in single line modem |
| 13:02.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r485c3d5e3dcd 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: fix a bug : string.translate fails with unicode text |
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| 13:25.04 | munga | is the beartech distro based on debian ? |
| 13:25.16 | Ainulindale | It's SHR |
| 13:25.19 | Ainulindale | And it's not based on debian |
| 13:25.36 | Ainulindale | (or were you talking of the Bearstech true distro?) |
| 13:26.02 | munga | the Bearstech true distro :) |
| 13:26.22 | munga | it's in testing phase isn't it ? |
| 13:26.27 | Ainulindale | No idea |
| 13:26.36 | munga | a while ago I've seen it mentioned on the ml |
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| 13:27.04 | munga | a more general question. why almost no distro use a mature package system ad dpkg ? |
| 13:27.29 | munga | it's a resource problem ? |
| 13:28.22 | henk | munga: debian does use dpkg... hackable:1 is based on debian. |
| 13:30.02 | munga | never tried hackable ... for me the biggest problem to get serious about development on the FR is the lack of a solid package manager. |
| 13:30.31 | munga | I've been bitten quite often by opkg related problems in the past ... |
| 13:30.42 | henk | well, i guess opkg is still being improved like all software... |
| 13:31.11 | henk | to me it looked rather stable. not as stable as dpkg of course, but stable enough... |
| 13:31.14 | munga | yes indeed. I've also asked myself why the choose opkg instead of dpkg . |
| 13:31.24 | munga | dpkg suffers of two problems on embedded devices |
| 13:31.55 | munga | the first is that it need to download all packages at once |
| 13:32.15 | munga | well... I'm talking more of apt-get here |
| 13:32.15 | henk | dpkg? that doesn't download packages at all, does it? |
| 13:32.21 | munga | yes |
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| 13:32.29 | henk | ah ok |
| 13:32.30 | munga | my bad :) |
| 13:32.47 | munga | apt-get needs to download all packages before starting the installation pahse |
| 13:33.17 | munga | and secondly it's pretty heavy on resources to resolve all conflicts/dependencies on the host machine |
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| 13:33.37 | munga | I'm wondering if somebody has done a bit of work to solve these two problems |
| 13:33.47 | henk | probably those are the reasons to use a more lightweight manager on a phone... |
| 13:34.00 | munga | and try to adopt apt-get for embedded devices |
| 13:34.43 | henk | i doubt that will happen. at least under that name. |
| 13:35.16 | munga | uhmmm do you think these are the only two problems related to the adoption of apt-like tools ? |
| 13:36.53 | henk | i'm not sure. i'm not a developer and i only know the frontend side of apt, but i guess it has been optimized over time to suit desktop computers or servers (generally stuff with a little more processing power). |
| 13:37.08 | henk | optimized or bloated... whatever you want to call it. |
| 13:37.17 | munga | one of the biggest problem with opkg is the fact that it basically does no planning before installing a piece of sw, and if something goes bad you are screwed |
| 13:37.30 | henk | haven't experienced that yet... |
| 13:38.34 | munga | imagine you try to install a pkg A that dependes on B and C. opkg will download A, install A the try to install B and C . If the installation of C fails, you are doomed... |
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| 13:42.29 | henk | munga: in how far 'doomed'? |
| 13:43.36 | munga | well, maybe I'm exaggerating, but you definitely live your system in a dirty state... |
| 13:44.22 | munga | what I'm saying that planning in advance to reduce the problem of failoure midway might make the package manager more stable ... |
| 13:44.46 | henk | well, opkg does not say too much about the state it is leaving the system in, like dpkg does sometimes ('package xy has not been configured yet' or such stuff), but that doesn't mean the system is in a dirty state necessarily. did you check? i didn't yet... |
| 13:44.55 | henk | fully ack! |
| 13:47.08 | munga | from the example above, A is installed, but is not going to work because a dependency was not statisfied . It's on your system nonetheless ... immagine that A was a replacement for dbus ... booooommm :) |
| 13:48.15 | henk | yes, i saw the problem. i just wasn't sure if opkg rolls the changes back when an error occurs and not telling about it. |
| 13:49.33 | munga | doing roll back is hard ! in particular if you have postinst scripts doing all kind of arbitrary manipulations. apt works well in debian because there is a forward planning phase to minimize these kind of problems... |
| 13:50.12 | henk | do .[io]pk have {post|pre}{inst|rm} scripts? |
| 13:50.32 | munga | uhmmm good question. I guess so :) |
| 13:51.39 | Weiss | yes they do... in fact, a .opk is basically a .deb file |
| 13:51.49 | Weiss | (try running "file" on one, then try opening it up with "ar x") |
| 13:52.04 | henk | oh, are they compatible with dpkg? |
| 13:52.15 | Weiss | no idea.. |
| 13:52.58 | munga | so basically opkg = dpkg + wget ? |
| 13:53.00 | Weiss | worth a try i guess |
| 13:53.39 | henk | munga: probably rather 'opkg = basic dpkg functions + wget' |
| 13:55.06 | munga | so, since the problem I was talking above are more related with the dependency planning + downloading, they might well be resolved as a wrapper to opkg ... |
| 13:56.26 | munga | while for apt/dpkg/debian in general there is a lot of doc regarding the package manager I failed to find anything regarding opkg ... can you give me any references ? |
| 13:56.31 | henk | your example just did not have much to do with that... not even dpkg can get the system in a clean state if the installation of one package fails... |
| 13:57.00 | henk | munga: try searching for ipkg. opkg is based on that, since ipkg is not being developed anymore. |
| 13:57.30 | munga | fair enough. The point is that with a bit of forward planning, you might be able to spot failoures before trying to install anything on the system |
| 13:58.10 | henk | true |
| 13:58.25 | henk | for _some_ errors at least. |
| 13:58.50 | munga | roll back would be the pandora box. |
| 13:59.13 | munga | the only desktop system with some kind of roll back facilities is nextos |
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| 13:59.26 | munga | that use zfs snapshots to go back in time |
| 13:59.40 | munga | I don't think we're there yet on the FR :) |
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| 14:00.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | henk: the difference between rpm and e.g. yast |
| 14:01.02 | henk | nextos? o_O never heard of that i think... |
| 14:01.10 | henk | DocScrutinizer2: hu? |
| 14:01.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | henk: (planing ahead to resolve deps) |
| 14:02.19 | henk | DocScrutinizer2: sorry, i have no idea what you are referring to... |
| 14:02.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | nevermind |
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| 14:05.59 | munga | maybe it's not nextos ... something like that |
| 14:06.08 | munga | I can find the exact reference atm |
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| 14:08.14 | Tig| | oh do you mean http://www.nexenta.org/os |
| 14:08.30 | Tig| | the opensolaris kernel / gnu userland hybrid |
| 14:08.56 | Inc_Vega | Stop this spam http://public.smi.ethz.ch/survey/index.php?lang=en&sid=17555&token=r8zrbxtxk633rhw |
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| 14:16.14 | Daramarak | If the FSO 4.1 and the SHR stable enough to use as a phone? |
| 14:17.36 | Pander | what is the license on illume? is that this one? http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/e/COPYING?rev=37201 |
| 14:18.00 | raster | yes |
| 14:18.08 | raster | illume is part of e |
| 14:18.17 | Pander | ah raster, nice you are online |
| 14:18.49 | Pander | the dutch wordlist has to be published on either bsd or cc, does that fit inside e or should I package it in an opkg? |
| 14:19.16 | raster | bsd is fine |
| 14:19.18 | raster | as is cc |
| 14:19.28 | raster | a separate package is also fine |
| 14:19.30 | raster | :) |
| 14:19.54 | raster | ok |
| 14:19.57 | raster | snooz time! |
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| 14:20.03 | raster | puts his snooz-pants on |
| 14:21.13 | munga | Tig|: nexenta ! exactly :) |
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| 14:24.21 | Pander | so... it can be inside of e with bsd of cc license on it? |
| 14:24.28 | Pander | of=or |
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| 14:52.03 | Weiss | has a scientific paper in german, and the Glamo docs to read... not sure which one to tackle first... |
| 14:52.53 | henk | Weiss: what topic in the german paper? |
| 14:53.26 | Weiss | henk: crystallography of tin oxide |
| 14:53.56 | henk | ok, i guess i'd read the glamo docs... are you german? |
| 14:54.19 | Weiss | no, but i'm almost fluent-ish (limited quite a lot by vocabulary) |
| 14:54.41 | henk | how come? |
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| 14:55.49 | Weiss | i've done a lot of courses and visited quite a lot (plus i seem to have a bit of a knack with languages), but haven't been exposed to the language long enough to pick up a large enough section of the words |
| 14:57.08 | Weiss | when i'm there i can generally talk without stopping to think, but i have to fudge round words i don't know |
| 14:57.46 | henk | same for me with english... though it's probably a lot easier to get there with english, since half the web is english. |
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| 15:02.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r54284f9a4673 10/framework/ (controller.py subsystem.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:02.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: MAJOR BUGFIX: |
| 15:02.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Stop importing modules by full name, instead append the subsystem to sys.path, |
| 15:02.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: by that we workaround modules getting imported twice, once as (e.g. |
| 15:02.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: <framework.subsystems.ogsmd.modems.abstract.calling> and |
| 15:02.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: <ogsmd.modems.abstract.calling>. Apparantly, if you are using __import__, you |
| 15:03.01 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: bypass the usual Python module import checks that should prevent modules from |
| 15:03.52 | Wonka | FLOOD ALERT! |
| 15:04.57 | Wonka | has anyone got any idea why it takes the GPS stuff minutes to recover from a rxerr? |
| 15:08.04 | slaxxin | hows shr an opkg upgrade working? |
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| 15:17.19 | slaxxin | lasest shr coming up |
| 15:19.46 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: if you upgrade |
| 15:19.48 | Ainulindale | Then rm -rf .e |
| 15:19.50 | Ainulindale | and restart X |
| 15:19.54 | slaxxin | ok |
| 15:19.58 | Ainulindale | No need to reflash |
| 15:20.22 | slaxxin | im falashin already |
| 15:20.34 | slaxxin | :) |
| 15:21.09 | Ainulindale | Ok then |
| 15:21.17 | slaxxin | thanks |
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| 15:21.45 | slaxxin | are u involved with the hackable1 project? |
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| 15:27.14 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: no |
| 15:27.21 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: I'm the SHR lead |
| 15:27.31 | slaxxin | ok |
| 15:27.49 | slaxxin | great job |
| 15:28.23 | Ainulindale | Thanks |
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| 15:34.46 | slaxxin | nice shutdown menu |
| 15:37.18 | Ainulindale | Only shutdown works for now, I'm working on suspend |
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| 16:01.33 | Inc_Vega | hi all |
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| 16:05.30 | Inc_Vega | any news regarding Transend SD 2 Gb |
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| 16:20.49 | LostInSpace | mickeyl, are you there? |
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| 16:44.27 | mmu_man | I see someone will attend OpenWorldForum http://www.openworldforum.org/ |
| 16:44.36 | mmu_man | will there be runners to sell there ? ;) |
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| 16:49.18 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r815794a2510b 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:49.18 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Revamped callhandling. Refactored the state-based call handler |
| 16:49.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: from TI Calypso (and Freescale Neptune) into a generic class that will |
| 16:49.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: be used from all modem abstractions. Ported singleline to use the new |
| 16:49.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: call handler. More tests needed for TI Calypso and Freescale Neptune. |
| 16:52.15 | Wonka | hmm, when will those changes arrive in debian? |
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| 16:54.57 | Inc_Vega | mmcinit output MMC/SD size: 503MiB but card SD Transend 2Gb |
| 16:55.30 | Inc_Vega | who have same problem ? |
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| 16:59.23 | nicfer | one question, the pocketsurfer2 has got an arm processor like a phone, or a x86 like a pc/laptop? |
| 17:01.14 | nicfer | and can it act like a phone? |
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| 17:05.44 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r6381ae17c772 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update om-settings for #2097 |
| 17:06.48 | nicfer | oh, I've read it, it's a totally propietary thing using a IE proxy server for making the device work |
| 17:06.56 | nicfer | that's, DBD |
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| 17:10.42 | evolux | hi! |
| 17:10.47 | Inc_Vega | hi |
| 17:10.47 | Inc_Vega | hi |
| 17:11.02 | evolux | is there some application that can be used as a "POI-store"? |
| 17:11.31 | evolux | more precisely, a poi-store server? |
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| 17:12.09 | evolux | i.e. i'm thinking of some dbus interface where i can retrieve and store pois by name and also save some score/popularity/usage count for each poi to do some intelligent sorting |
| 17:13.10 | evolux | there could also be another application that always stores the poi "last gps fix" |
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| 17:13.34 | evolux | or "position where connection to some specific bluetooth headset was lost" |
| 17:13.55 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.56 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.36 | evolux | the former poi can be used as current position when there is no gps fix (i.e. in a building) and the user can then decide if that's accurate enough |
| 17:15.06 | evolux | the latter can be used as "take me to where i parked my car"-feature when the mentioned bluetooth headset is always left in the car |
| 17:15.55 | Wonka | Inc_Vega: my 8GB microsdhc is shown as "3MiB", but u-boot still boots from it. |
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| 17:26.22 | Inc_Vega | ok but after boot I have problem wiht I/O |
| 17:26.48 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * red1a714f36fc 10/packages/openmoko-projects/om-settings_svn.bb: om-settings: postinst script |
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| 17:30.58 | bumbl | morphis: ping |
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| 18:04.06 | Dave | waar is Zorkman :\ |
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| 18:32.02 | Fougner | good morning :D |
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| 18:44.24 | anttna | Hi, anyone from Ireland here? |
| 18:44.32 | Dave | :) |
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| 18:49.09 | Fougner | Dave :D |
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| 18:52.33 | mattbnz | anttna: I live in Dublin |
| 18:55.26 | anttna | Hi I was checking out the wiki and there are no local groups from ireland. There is the group sales page, which is mentioned on the main local users group .I was thinking of making a local ie group but am unsure where to place it. |
| 18:55.57 | anttna | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups |
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| 19:01.19 | LostInspace | someone recommended me a memory dumper...memdump2 or dumpmem2 or something like that does that ring a bell to anybody? |
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| 19:10.18 | anttna | i put in an ireland group http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups#Europe |
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| 19:11.17 | pb_ | LostInspace: devmem2? |
| 19:12.11 | LostInspace | pb_, ahh thanks |
| 19:12.37 | LostInspace | well after some more fooling around (haven't had much time lately) |
| 19:12.47 | LostInspace | still haven't gotten anywhere further lol |
| 19:13.08 | LostInspace | i did notice a few weird things |
| 19:13.23 | LostInspace | in /proc/bus/usb there is no device that should name the ohci for s3c2410 |
| 19:13.38 | LostInspace | if i compile as a module and load it after boot..same errors occur! |
| 19:13.47 | LostInspace | but if i rmmod the module....oh boy does the system ever crash! |
| 19:19.52 | Ainulindale | New SHR preview image out guys |
| 19:19.56 | Ainulindale | If you're interested |
| 19:20.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:20.15 | Ainulindale | With the new illume shutdown/suspend screen |
| 19:20.31 | Ainulindale | And in the next episode, fastboot & theme, yay |
| 19:21.43 | Fougner | Ainulindale, I'll check it out |
| 19:23.17 | Ainulindale | The menu is accessible by clicking the cross on the home screen |
| 19:23.24 | Ainulindale | I'll bind it to the power button asap |
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| 19:27.59 | LostInspace | pb_, oh and i tried booting mickey|away zImage unfortunetly after compressing and saying it's booting nothing else happens =( |
| 19:28.15 | LostInspace | so either the kernel has no output set on serial cable = usb maybe?!?!? |
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| 19:34.23 | Inc_Vega | so |
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| 19:48.28 | LostInspace | pb_, you got 2 seconds? |
| 19:54.57 | anttna | I copied the user names from the group sale page here I may have made errors in usernames. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_Ireland |
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| 20:05.09 | LostInspace | pb__, you there? |
| 20:05.18 | LostInspace | pb_, or here =P |
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| 20:10.12 | anttna | afaicr there was a voice recorder on om2008.8 I can't find it on the list of apps, can anyone plese help? |
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| 20:51.35 | Fougner | :o |
| 20:51.41 | Fougner | hey TAsn :D |
| 20:51.58 | TAsn | hey ;] |
| 20:51.59 | TAsn | sup? |
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| 20:57.14 | Fougner | =D |
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| 21:00.00 | zakia | is the hardware design open ? |
| 21:00.28 | SpeedEvil | zakia: somewhat |
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| 21:00.45 | SpeedEvil | zakia: there are schematics, but not in a form that would make it trivial to replicate. |
| 21:01.00 | zakia | what form ? |
| 21:01.14 | SpeedEvil | pdf schematics |
| 21:01.19 | zakia | like you have to pay royalties ? |
| 21:01.44 | zakia | ok pdf is fine I can deal with it |
| 21:01.56 | SpeedEvil | I don't know what licence may have been given. |
| 21:01.58 | LostInspace | zakia, like it's not an eagle cad direct to pcb =P |
| 21:02.12 | SpeedEvil | zakia: practically, you are going to spend at least $1000 making the first copy. |
| 21:02.22 | SpeedEvil | zakia: $2000 would not at all surprise. |
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| 21:02.44 | SpeedEvil | zakia: that's assuming you've got a full suite of test gear that you know how to work, and ready access to all the hard to find components. |
| 21:03.02 | zakia | but from the schematic I can redraw manually the pcb |
| 21:03.28 | SpeedEvil | Good luck with that. |
| 21:03.37 | LostInspace | zakia, I haven't seen the schematic but i'm assuming alot of BGAs and smts close together |
| 21:03.41 | LostInspace | guessing it's an 8 layer pcb |
| 21:03.44 | LostInspace | more or less |
| 21:04.00 | SpeedEvil | How many dense 6 layer PCBs with controlled impedance over parts have you done? |
| 21:04.08 | LostInspace | and i'm guessing the BOM is pretty wacky to get for just 1 tester |
| 21:04.31 | SpeedEvil | LostInspace: I imagine for some parts you'd pretty much need to end up desoldering and reballing |
| 21:04.37 | SpeedEvil | LostInspace: the calypso forex |
| 21:04.41 | LostInspace | SpeedEvil, lol |
| 21:04.47 | LostInspace | hot air blower here you come zakia ! |
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| 21:05.19 | LostInspace | me i'd rather encourage the makers then try and clone it personaly |
| 21:05.32 | zakia | that's ok I can handle that kind of stuff as long as there are no royalties |
| 21:05.55 | SpeedEvil | zakia: A published copy of a PDF does not give you any rights to copy the design. |
| 21:07.11 | zakia | i see it is not open stuff . |
| 21:07.24 | Ke | open != free |
| 21:07.29 | Dave | Hooray for intellectual property theft1 |
| 21:07.39 | Dave | Ke :] |
| 21:07.49 | LostInspace | zakia, i'm kinda confused at your way of seeing things |
| 21:07.51 | Ke | like unix was open, not free |
| 21:08.12 | LostInspace | plus what to you intend on making money off this? good luck! |
| 21:08.29 | LostInspace | s/to/do/g |
| 21:08.40 | zakia | well thanks to RMS things may have changed a bit in some parts of the intellectual world |
| 21:08.49 | SpeedEvil | Umm... |
| 21:08.57 | LostInspace | apt, lol |
| 21:08.57 | apt | from memory, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 21:09.14 | SpeedEvil | There is the intellectual world. |
| 21:09.24 | SpeedEvil | And there is the world where IP actually costs money to develop. |
| 21:09.27 | LostInspace | zakia, lets say we forget about copyrights and what not |
| 21:09.32 | LostInspace | you intend to sell these? |
| 21:09.41 | LostInspace | and make money off of em? |
| 21:09.43 | Ke | hello Dave |
| 21:09.58 | SpeedEvil | To profitably sell at price below FR, you're going to need to order several hundred at very least. |
| 21:10.09 | SpeedEvil | Probably several thousand. |
| 21:10.18 | LostInspace | to get a good rebates on parts from OEM or disties |
| 21:10.25 | LostInspace | i'm guessing more in the many thousands |
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| 21:10.46 | Ke | btw how many freerunners are there out there |
| 21:10.51 | LostInspace | or you're going for old date codes and getting them from brokers who get them from bizzard places |
| 21:10.53 | Ke | or is it a trade secret |
| 21:11.04 | LostInspace | ke 5 and I own all 7 of them! |
| 21:11.05 | Dave | SECRET COMPANY DATAS |
| 21:11.07 | SpeedEvil | Ke: I don't think it's been published. |
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| 21:11.50 | fredrin | SpeedEvil: is there some gusstimiates for number of FR sold? |
| 21:12.21 | zakia | i don't think i will make a 100 of it but a few customized for our business needs |
| 21:12.45 | SpeedEvil | zakia: gonna cost >$500 then |
| 21:13.48 | zakia | that's ok as long as they get the extra feature we need . and the way we want them |
| 21:14.21 | SpeedEvil | zakia: does it have to be phone sized? |
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| 21:14.39 | zakia | no not really |
| 21:15.06 | SpeedEvil | probably easier to go with a dev board of some form. |
| 21:15.43 | SpeedEvil | basset board or similar. |
| 21:15.46 | zakia | in fact were initially thing of using eepc with usb 3G keys |
| 21:15.52 | SpeedEvil | err beagle |
| 21:16.33 | SpeedEvil | zakia: If you're thinking of making your own, you will need a team of several people skilled in electronics manufacture. |
| 21:16.41 | SpeedEvil | Even with the schematics. |
| 21:16.50 | gnutoo_ | hello, how do I install fennec...because i've done something wrong (i have some segfault and illegal instructions) |
| 21:16.53 | SpeedEvil | (neglecting license issues, which I'm unsure of) |
| 21:17.00 | LostInspace | your gonna need a production house |
| 21:17.07 | SpeedEvil | That too |
| 21:17.08 | LostInspace | aka EMS |
| 21:17.11 | SpeedEvil | And a bigger boat. |
| 21:17.16 | LostInspace | Electronic Manufacturing Services |
| 21:17.22 | LostInspace | like sanmina sci |
| 21:17.24 | LostInspace | celestica |
| 21:17.26 | LostInspace | etc etc etc |
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| 21:17.34 | Dave | Ke ke ke |
| 21:17.47 | LostInspace | unless you go the oven way or skillet way and do all the surfacemount yourself |
| 21:17.50 | LostInspace | wadddddaaaaaa pain |
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| 21:18.10 | SpeedEvil | has a toaster oven thermocoupled up. |
| 21:18.14 | SpeedEvil | It's not too bad. |
| 21:18.23 | LostInspace | meh |
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| 21:18.29 | LostInspace | thermal paste spreading not my idea of fun |
| 21:18.34 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 21:18.38 | zakia | ok then we will go with eeepc and windows and 3G usb key s . nothing wrong . it stays more acceptable to upper management and in terms of $$ |
| 21:18.42 | Dave | :D |
| 21:18.43 | SpeedEvil | There are people out there that'll do stencils. |
| 21:18.52 | SpeedEvil | Cheaply. |
| 21:19.04 | LostInspace | yeah |
| 21:19.05 | LostInspace | i know |
| 21:19.11 | LostInspace | still alignment |
| 21:19.13 | LostInspace | spreading |
| 21:19.14 | LostInspace | eurkkkkk |
| 21:19.45 | SpeedEvil | I can just about manage it for what I'm doing, and that's about 20 components, 2 of which are higher pin count. |
| 21:19.52 | Dave | Lostinspace, are you dying? |
| 21:19.54 | gnutoo_ | zakia, wow...what are you planing to do? |
| 21:20.03 | SpeedEvil | For a mobile phone - I really don't want to think of the yields. |
| 21:20.12 | LostInspace | SpeedEvil, my main issue is lazyness |
| 21:20.16 | LostInspace | coupled with a few other issues |
| 21:20.23 | Dave | are you making an eeepc-sized cellphone? :D |
| 21:20.29 | LostInspace | ever had to use lead free with non lead free...whada pain |
| 21:21.07 | LostInspace | solder the lead free first...then after that the non lead free (since there are many non lead free devices that die at lead free soldering temps) |
| 21:21.25 | Dave | :O |
| 21:21.27 | gnutoo_ | becuase listening to eben moglen gives you the idea to make embedded servers for home usage...(so the big companies such as youtube,blogger....don't have your content anymore...) |
| 21:21.27 | LostInspace | i find aligning bgas can be a pain in the arse 2 |
| 21:21.33 | Dave | dude, the applications are different. |
| 21:21.50 | SpeedEvil | has no BGAs at least. Probably. |
| 21:21.59 | LostInspace | SpeedEvil, then you're good to go |
| 21:22.04 | gnutoo_ | by the way does anyone run fennec? |
| 21:22.17 | LostInspace | bgas = why ain't it working...then x-ray then god dang it 2 of my balls in my ball grid array soldered together |
| 21:23.04 | Dave | haha |
| 21:23.20 | LostInspace | we had a customer once he was having issues |
| 21:23.29 | LostInspace | his smt resistors and capacitors keep tomb stoning! |
| 21:23.39 | LostInspace | all that because his solder paste was paste date! mouhahahah |
| 21:23.39 | Dave | hot? |
| 21:23.54 | Dave | paste date? I hope that was a typo. |
| 21:23.58 | LostInspace | Dave, actualy you're half right =) |
| 21:24.01 | Dave | Otherwise it was a TERRIBlE TERRIBLE pun :p |
| 21:24.07 | Dave | an yeah, I know ;) |
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| 21:24.25 | LostInspace | Dave, some moron took the paste out of the fridge and left it at room temp for an unknown period of time |
| 21:24.32 | Dave | hahaha |
| 21:24.35 | Dave | nice move :P |
| 21:24.46 | LostInspace | the side that was not soldering (causing the tomb stoning effect) |
| 21:24.56 | LostInspace | was always near a ground plane (acting as a huge heatsink) |
| 21:24.57 | zakia | We will forget the idea of open smartphone and use a (eepc + XP+usb 3G card ) as a the communication device . we will get a bar code scanner on usb port . n othing to develop . no geek to deal with . sounds perfect |
| 21:25.24 | LostInspace | Dave, was funny as hell! |
| 21:25.24 | SpeedEvil | Can put a barcode scanner on the FR. |
| 21:26.14 | Dave | I suppose :P |
| 21:26.26 | LostInspace | fr + hub with powersource + any usb device i guess |
| 21:26.37 | SpeedEvil | loss: FR has USB power. |
| 21:26.41 | Dave | haha I thought that said powersauce for a moment :P |
| 21:26.42 | zakia | yes but you will what will be the benefit of your way |
| 21:26.53 | SpeedEvil | zakia: slightly smaller. |
| 21:26.57 | LostInspace | SpeedEvil, not to accomedate alot of stuff |
| 21:27.10 | SpeedEvil | zakia: I'm not saying it's better for you. Ii'm sayiing it's possible. |
| 21:27.49 | SpeedEvil | LostInspace: IIRC it's 500mA capable. But that's probably not something you want to do for long on a 4Wh bat. |
| 21:28.03 | LostInspace | SpeedEvil, i dare anybody to use the FR to power an alfa card |
| 21:28.04 | LostInspace | http://www.data-alliance.net/servlet/the-90/802.11g-USB-802.11b-802.11n/Detail |
| 21:28.05 | zakia | yes but the guys are not exactly going in design shows with our equipment |
| 21:28.15 | LostInspace | that baby drains 800ma! |
| 21:28.23 | Dave | sweet :P |
| 21:28.27 | Dave | car battery time? |
| 21:28.39 | SpeedEvil | should have posted that pic. |
| 21:28.44 | Dave | :D |
| 21:28.52 | Dave | Fetch the jumper cables! |
| 21:28.53 | gnutoo_ | zakia, eeepc can run GNU/Linux and a lot of others pda can...and the 3g keys can work with GNU/Linux |
| 21:28.53 | SpeedEvil | neo1973 on a car battery, with a little power converter. |
| 21:28.58 | LostInspace | lets just say the alfa 500mw is a battery killer |
| 21:29.00 | LostInspace | on any device |
| 21:29.01 | Dave | cute |
| 21:29.10 | Dave | what pot? |
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| 21:30.13 | LostInspace | dave? |
| 21:30.24 | gnutoo_ | zakia, just that you will have a non-free wifi card if you use an old eeepc |
| 21:30.27 | Dave | yeah? |
| 21:30.34 | LostInspace | what pot? |
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| 21:30.50 | Dave | Sorry, that wasn't directed towards you :p |
| 21:31.05 | Dave | anyhoo, that'd be sweet |
| 21:31.17 | Ke | gnutoo_: ath5k already suuports ar5007 |
| 21:31.26 | zakia | we don't care of free not free as long as it does not blow hot air if you see what we mean |
| 21:31.28 | gnutoo_ | Ke,wow!!! |
| 21:31.29 | LostInspace | i miss my atheros sniff sniff |
| 21:31.37 | Dave | I could see myself running through a department store with a backpack full of freerunner accessories on and a braid of USB cables extending down and around my arm :P |
| 21:31.51 | Dave | zakia ;p |
| 21:31.57 | LostInspace | Dave, a few lithium ion laptop batteries in your pockets |
| 21:32.04 | Dave | hot ;D |
| 21:32.07 | LostInspace | preferably sony for winter so they heat you up at the same time |
| 21:32.11 | LostInspace | =P |
| 21:32.14 | Dave | Yeah :D |
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| 21:34.01 | LostInspace | can't beat the toxic apple plastic tho |
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| 21:34.55 | LostInspace | can just smell the benzene from here |
| 21:36.28 | gnutoo_ | realy anyone runs fennec? |
| 21:37.08 | zash | gnutoo_: tried it on my laptop a while ago |
| 21:37.23 | gnutoo_ | zash, did you try it on the openmoko? |
| 21:37.51 | zash | gnutoo_: no |
| 21:38.51 | zakia | anyways thanks for helping in making our decision a litle bit easier . Thanks there is multiple comunities working on OS and hardware . |
| 21:39.56 | gnutoo_ | because i have that: http://rafb.net/p/fLhbfo51.html |
| 21:40.22 | gnutoo_ | zakia, did you look if there is such hardware at linuxdevices? |
| 21:41.12 | zakia | i am looking if there is something with windows symbian...... |
| 21:41.19 | Dave | Lost :D |
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| 21:53.02 | Fougner | bulululu |
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| 21:58.19 | tuxi | checkob@kubuntu-laptop:~/freerunner/source$ opkg-target update |
| 21:58.19 | tuxi | Collected errors: |
| 21:58.19 | tuxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.42 | tuxi | ^^i get thoose when trying the toolchain tutorial on ubuntu, anyone know how to fix? |
| 21:58.48 | tuxi | the packagekitd thing is not running |
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| 21:59.27 | Fougner | tuxi, I got that one too... don't know how to fix it, but I sure want to know... |
| 22:01.30 | Batchy | shouldn't you be root to opkg-update ? |
| 22:01.50 | Batchy | opkg-target* update |
| 22:02.29 | tuxi | -_- stupid me |
| 22:02.34 | tuxi | that fixed it... |
| 22:02.36 | tuxi | thx |
| 22:05.25 | zakia | thanks for the ride. bye |
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| 22:25.02 | kd8ikt | windows and symbian are two seperate beasts |
| 22:25.25 | kd8ikt | and they both suck ;D |
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| 22:29.45 | Dave | Huzzah |
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| 22:33.06 | Dave | teh Virus!1 |
| 22:33.15 | CVirus | lol |
| 22:33.24 | CVirus | what are you ? a door man ? |
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| 22:40.47 | tuxi | can i try an toolchain application on my desktop pc? |
| 22:41.30 | tuxi | ah.. well i see in wiki |
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| 22:46.27 | Dave | s:P |
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| 22:52.16 | Hydrant | anyone know how to tether their neo ? |
| 22:52.43 | mmp | Hello; I wrote a simple media player for FreeRunner (python/gtk/gstreamer based); anyone here brave enough to give it a shot and comment bugs/request features? :) |
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| 22:53.32 | der-lehmann | rrrr |
| 22:54.47 | der-lehmann | really nice. r there a preset for handbrake to create optimized videos? |
| 22:55.57 | mmp | der-lehmann: was that question on me? :) |
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| 22:57.22 | der-lehmann | when u got an answer? :) |
| 22:57.59 | mmp | probably not, I don't know what handbrake is... |
| 22:59.26 | mmp | all: tarball to download should be at http://www.filedropper.com/pymuse-000tar |
| 23:00.35 | Fougner | mmp, I would like to try it out |
| 23:00.48 | Fougner | just tell me how to compile and stuff |
| 23:00.48 | mmp | Fougner: feel free to do so :-) |
| 23:01.29 | Fougner | btw, handbrake is a script to convert audio and video. |
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| 23:02.44 | mmp | no need to compile; you just need to have python, pygtk and gst-python installed |
| 23:02.44 | mmp | (this implies X-server based distro) |
| 23:02.45 | mmp | I forgot to add license to that tarball, argh :-/ anyway, it should be GPL :) |
| 23:02.49 | mmp | Fougner: basically, you just unpack it and run ./pymuse.py |
| 23:03.16 | mmp | if you are working via ssh, do first: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 23:04.47 | Fougner | mmp, on the FR? |
| 23:04.55 | mmp | yes |
| 23:05.25 | mmp | you should be able to run it on desktop as well, but there are few things which make sense only on device with touchscreen |
| 23:05.36 | Fougner | the dependencies, from the repo huh? |
| 23:05.43 | der-lehmann | i get a error when i open it under ubuntu |
| 23:06.02 | der-lehmann | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 23:06.06 | Fougner | der-lehmann, |
| 23:06.11 | Fougner | try -xvf |
| 23:06.16 | Fougner | instead of -zxvf |
| 23:06.19 | Fougner | worked for me |
| 23:06.25 | Fougner | dunno why :P |
| 23:07.01 | mmp | hmm, I forgot some essential letter in 'tar' command? |
| 23:07.28 | mmp | no, I didn't |
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| 23:07.56 | mmp | Fougner: maybe your browser already unpacked the file if it detected deflate compression |
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| 23:08.08 | tuxi | no module named esd |
| 23:08.17 | tuxi | gst, sorry |
| 23:08.29 | mmp | tuxi: install gstreamer bindings for python.. |
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| 23:08.37 | mmp | looks for the exact name of package |
| 23:09.10 | mmp | try opkg install python-gst |
| 23:09.16 | der-lehmann | ok ur right Fougner |
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| 23:09.51 | Fougner | der-lehmann, it worked+ =) |
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| 23:10.50 | der-lehmann | unpacking? yes |
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| 23:11.02 | tuxi | mmp: how is the pygtk package called? |
| 23:11.32 | mmp | hmm, are you running X-server based distro? |
| 23:11.59 | tuxi | is FSO2008.9 xserver based? |
| 23:12.02 | mmp | try python-gtk ... |
| 23:12.06 | mmp | should be :) |
| 23:12.21 | tuxi | i tried already but that doesnt work |
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| 23:12.27 | mmp | hm... |
| 23:14.46 | mmp | I'm running fdom, so I have lots of packages installed by default... |
| 23:15.44 | Fougner | mmp, me too, probably I will get this to work? :D |
| 23:15.54 | tuxi | ah.. python-pygtk should it be |
| 23:16.29 | Fougner | tuxi!!!!!!!!!! :D |
| 23:16.42 | mmp | :-)) I well, I wouldn't guess that |
| 23:16.58 | tuxi | yeha well i opkg-list'ed it |
| 23:17.21 | tuxi | No module named pygtk |
| 23:17.25 | tuxi | ... sorry wrong |
| 23:17.30 | tuxi | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 82, in <module> |
| 23:17.30 | tuxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.30 | tuxi | NameError: name 'init' is not defined |
| 23:17.55 | mmp | hmm, this doesn't sound positively... |
| 23:18.24 | Fougner | hehe, nooope |
| 23:18.41 | mmp | looks like assumption that pygtk works out of the box isn't very good thing... |
| 23:19.42 | tuxi | mh.. seems like i fixed it |
| 23:19.54 | mmp | hmm: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718 |
| 23:20.00 | mmp | tuxi: that trac ticket? |
| 23:20.07 | tuxi | i can execute player.py now but i dont see anything on the neo |
| 23:20.32 | tuxi | yep |
| 23:20.35 | mmp | tuxi: execute pymuse.py |
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| 23:20.42 | mmp | player is just a helper... |
| 23:20.47 | mmp | the code is not very nice, though |
| 23:21.02 | mmp | just quickly written (see README for more info) |
| 23:21.12 | Fougner | mmp, how good coder are you? |
| 23:21.20 | Fougner | I'd like to help, but I can't even code Py |
| 23:21.23 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 23:21.53 | mmp | Fougner: no idea; I don't know how to compare coding skills :) |
| 23:21.55 | tuxi | mmp: yeha well but it should show up an gui or not |
| 23:22.21 | mmp | tuxi: pymuse is the thing with GUI :) |
| 23:22.37 | mmp | player is just a module wrapping gstreamer's playbin |
| 23:22.51 | tuxi | O_o theres no pymouse lets see perhaps untar broke it |
| 23:23.03 | mmp | pymouse? |
| 23:23.15 | Fougner | mmp |
| 23:23.19 | tuxi | no there is just the player.py in the archive |
| 23:23.23 | Fougner | archive's broken here too |
| 23:23.25 | mmp | tuxi: ./pymuse.py in the pymuse |
| 23:23.26 | tuxi | and the readme + install |
| 23:23.32 | Fougner | README + TODO too |
| 23:23.39 | tuxi | ^^ todo i mean |
| 23:23.45 | mmp | hmm, both files here... |
| 23:23.55 | Fougner | mmp, find another way to upload you stuff =) |
| 23:24.06 | mmp | ok, alternative download location: http://people.ksp.sk/~mino/pymuse-0.0.0.tar.gz |
| 23:24.09 | Fougner | I can host 'em here =) |
| 23:24.39 | Fougner | now THAT is weird =) |
| 23:24.44 | Fougner | works now.. |
| 23:25.09 | mmp | Fougner: :-) if there will be interest, I will probably create some project at sf, google code, or something similar... |
| 23:25.35 | tuxi | yeha well now there are more files |
| 23:25.41 | mmp | :-) |
| 23:26.10 | mmp | anyway, it's weird that filedropper choke it... |
| 23:26.30 | Fougner | mmp, a very simple and WORKING player is a big thing here |
| 23:26.42 | der-lehmann | g8n openmoko'S |
| 23:26.57 | mmp | der-lehmann: night :) |
| 23:26.58 | Fougner | made for touchscreen, and to work out of the box |
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| 23:27.30 | Fougner | mmp, what about the resources ? |
| 23:27.39 | mmp | Fougner: more-or-less working... there is an issue with (I guess) python gst bindings |
| 23:27.43 | mmp | Fougner: what resources exactly? |
| 23:27.51 | Fougner | well |
| 23:28.00 | Fougner | find the right word, w8 |
| 23:28.25 | mmp | resource usage? |
| 23:28.28 | Fougner | yeah |
| 23:28.30 | Fougner | exactley |
| 23:28.43 | mmp | from what I measured, around 55% when decoding mp3 |
| 23:28.59 | mmp | it could down, some percents from that is python's overhead |
| 23:29.07 | tuxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.07 | tuxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.07 | tuxi | IndexError: list index out of range |
| 23:29.09 | mmp | *it could go down |
| 23:29.17 | mmp | tuxi: yes, but it shouldn't matter |
| 23:29.28 | tuxi | ah.. i see :-D |
| 23:29.29 | mmp | it should work correctly, just playlist is empty so far |
| 23:30.03 | tuxi | so lets transfer an media file:-d |
| 23:30.45 | mmp | tuxi: don't get scared, I use standard Gtk directory selection dialog |
| 23:30.56 | mmp | (and I also don't filter unplayable files so far) |
| 23:31.50 | tuxi | yeha well not that problem |
| 23:33.54 | Fougner | hehe |
| 23:33.55 | tuxi | can i add only complete dirs to playlist? |
| 23:34.18 | mmp | tuxi: yes, I did not implement adding separate files |
| 23:34.35 | mmp | one gtk file chooser is enough so far :) |
| 23:34.56 | Fougner | mmp, what command to execute? |
| 23:35.13 | mmp | Fougner: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 23:35.25 | mmp | and then ./pymuse.py in the unpacked directory |
| 23:36.13 | tuxi | O_o i don't i come back to playlist editor if i once added files? |
| 23:36.27 | mmp | tuxi: it should.. |
| 23:36.37 | mmp | unless the windows swapped somehow |
| 23:37.03 | mmp | but the code doesn't close playlist editor after adding files |
| 23:37.16 | Fougner | opkg install python-pygtk python-gst |
| 23:37.18 | Fougner | ;) |
| 23:37.20 | mmp | Fougner: yes |
| 23:37.35 | tuxi | will the playlist saved, if i close and if so where to find it on filesystem |
| 23:38.52 | mmp | tuxi: yes, it should be in ~/.pymuse/playlist |
| 23:39.14 | mmp | but those are serialized python objects (quick&dirty, but working) |
| 23:39.39 | tuxi | mh.. lets see if i can get to playlist menu again if i delete the file |
| 23:39.55 | mmp | tuxi: do you have the player window? |
| 23:40.02 | tuxi | yes |
| 23:40.03 | mmp | if so, just tap the label on the top |
| 23:40.16 | tuxi | ah... thats it |
| 23:40.25 | mmp | now it's a bit counter-intuitive |
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| 23:40.35 | mmp | it's more intuitive if you are tapping on the name of song |
| 23:41.59 | tuxi | seems like you have a problem with spaces in filename |
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| 23:42.16 | pieterc | hi |
| 23:42.17 | mmp | hmm, from what I tested, spaces worked correctly |
| 23:42.35 | mmp | tuxi: what exactly happens if you add such file? |
| 23:42.49 | Fougner | mmp, such directory? ;) |
| 23:42.58 | mmp | :-) |
| 23:44.04 | Fougner | mmp, if I lock the screen while using pymuse, it will still work right+ |
| 23:44.24 | Fougner | but the light won't fade out, or?.. |
| 23:44.40 | mmp | Fougner: light should fade... |
| 23:44.50 | mmp | so far it's just stupid application :) |
| 23:44.50 | Fougner | ok |
| 23:44.55 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 23:45.01 | Fougner | but it has potential :D |
| 23:45.15 | Fougner | but what about the stereo and stuff? |
| 23:45.43 | Fougner | if I plug in stereo headphones in the FR, running FDOM, what happens? |
| 23:46.28 | mmp | Fougner: this is not to be handled by media player :-) |
| 23:46.43 | Fougner | ah |
| 23:46.52 | lindi- | i can use even mplayer with headphones |
| 23:46.57 | mmp | this should be handled by other daemon :-) |
| 23:47.00 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 23:47.03 | Fougner | probably |
| 23:47.06 | lindi- | i don't see why every audio program would need to know about your headphones |
| 23:47.09 | mmp | (but I would welcome such feature included in distros..) |
| 23:47.28 | Fougner | lindi-, what do you mean? |
| 23:47.56 | lindi- | Fougner: it is the mixer app that is used to configure where sound goes |
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| 23:54.34 | Fougner | ey |
| 23:54.36 | Fougner | mmp |
| 23:54.51 | mmp | Fougner: yes? |
| 23:54.54 | Fougner | how in the ... can I get rid of the gtk file selector? |
| 23:55.07 | Fougner | I've added some stuff there now :D |
| 23:55.13 | Fougner | want to get rid of that windowwww |
| 23:55.14 | Fougner | grrr |
| 23:55.18 | jonkristian | ARRRW |
| 23:55.20 | Fougner | "get rid of windows" |
| 23:55.23 | Fougner | AAAAARRRRRW! :D |
| 23:55.26 | jonkristian | :D |
| 23:55.26 | Fougner | hiya! jonkristian |
| 23:55.29 | jonkristian | Fougner: how's tricks? |
| 23:55.33 | Fougner | tricks? |
| 23:55.44 | jonkristian | what's up... |
| 23:55.51 | mmp | Fougner: just pressing add should make the dialog disappear.. |
| 23:56.07 | mmp | Fougner: and there should be also a cancel button on the dialog |
| 23:56.43 | Fougner | mmp. no |
| 23:56.48 | Fougner | the add - remove thing |
| 23:56.59 | Fougner | or that's the musicplayer? :D |
| 23:57.00 | Fougner | haha |
| 23:57.01 | Fougner | lol |
| 23:57.04 | mmp | Fougner: ahh, the playlist :-)0 |
| 23:57.09 | mmp | read README :-) |
| 23:57.20 | mmp | (or use left-to-right finger gesture :) |
| 23:57.37 | Fougner | wohoo |
| 23:57.40 | Fougner | it works :D |
| 23:57.54 | mmp | by reverse gesture you confirm that you want to play selected file |
| 23:57.58 | Fougner | I've got muuuuuuuusic :D |
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| 23:58.18 | mmp | maybe it's not very intuitive, but it's definitely the easiest way to control player in a bus :-) |
| 23:59.13 | Fougner | intuitive? |
| 23:59.26 | Fougner | you mean, logical or something? |
| 23:59.41 | mmp | yes |
