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00:15.03CIA-24freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rab8245ad43e3 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: start with org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.*
00:15.12CIA-24freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6b6064be9ffa 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
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00:29.03SargunWhy isn't my battery charging:
00:29.04Sargundebian-gta02:~# cat  /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/status
00:29.04SargunNot charging
00:29.04Sargundebian-gta02:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgstate
00:29.04Sargunusb_present
00:37.32Daveit doesn't like you?
00:37.35Daveplug it in twice
00:37.43DaveI've had all the usb power issues, plus more :D
00:37.53Dave(though, granted, apparently I created some of them myself) :p
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00:44.52DaveAinu :)
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01:50.44slaxxinphone just gives up
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01:52.52slaxxinim giving thanks in advance
01:53.04slaxxin<PROTECTED>
01:56.28netxany current stability problems i should know about before doing an update on 2008.9?
01:58.24Wonkawhere would i report bugs against zhone?
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02:02.28DocScrutinizermorning
02:02.51DocScrutinizerSargun: maybe battery is full?
02:03.13SargunDocScrutinizer, no, charge limit
02:03.39DocScrutinizererr, what's charge limit?
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02:04.30slaxxintimer?
02:05.29DocScrutinizerneed more coffee, don't get you
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02:11.47Davehttp://www.motivationals.org/img/a/1198119245225.jpg
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02:22.50slaxxinyikes
02:23.44slaxxinWHERE IS IT
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03:37.59nemikhi
03:38.50nemikso i really screwed up. battery discharged and cycling through NOR boot for a min then booting doesn't work because it shuts off after a few seconds of NOR boot.
03:38.54nemikthis is the dumbest thing ever.
03:39.29cjbnemik: you don't have a wall charger?
03:39.40nemikandi do
03:39.47Dave:)
03:39.57cjbnemik: ?
03:40.00nemiksorry. i do. but only a blackberry one. and for some reason it's not good enough for the openmoko
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03:40.18nemiki have a USB cable to a desktop though, that should be fine, no?
03:40.23cjbnope
03:40.39nemiki hate this phone
03:40.42cjbyou need the wall charger when it isn't able to boot enough to negotiate a full-power USB connection
03:41.09daMaestrostares at /topic focusing intent to see 2008.11 released
03:41.19nemikmy cat chewed the wire through that one.. :( soldering time. i'm not sure who i should be mad at more. her or the dumbasses who designed the hardware on this thing
03:41.26mwesterIt should trickle charge if left "off" and plugged into the host, but it will take a loooong time.
03:41.54nemikmwester: 24 hours or longer?
03:42.39mwesterIf it takes longer than a couple hours of charging to get it to boot, then it isn't charging.  (or possibly the GSM was left running, so pull the battery out for a while, then re-insert before charging)
03:43.10nemiki can't beleive they thought it acceptable to release a $400 piece of hardware with this kind of problem. it boggles my mind.
03:43.31nemikthanks mwester and cjb, i'll try that
03:44.21mwesternemik:  in fairness to Openmoko, then didn't know it had this problem for the GTA02.
03:45.06nemikok....but you'd think this kind of thing might be tested for...
03:45.12mwesternemik:  on the other hand, your statement is entirely true when it comes to the GTA03 --- they have chosen to use the very same (poorly-fitting) PMU chip for that.
03:45.27nemikno way. so it'll have the same issue?
03:46.38mwesterOpenmoko claims that it will not, but if it doesn't it will be because of extraordinary measures taken by the kernel to avoid the problem, not because the hardware is resilient in the first place.
03:47.12nemikthat's so sad. i just feel bad for them no
03:47.14nemiknow
03:47.24mwesterBasically, with better capacitors on the right power lines, and some other surgery, it is possible to start the CPU running without causing the PMU to shut down the power.
03:47.36Spanskadoes anyone have an idea if the screen size will be increased with future releases of the phone?
03:48.01zashSpanska: not before gta04 i guess
03:48.09Spanskaah.. damn
03:48.21Spanskawhen will gta04 be released?
03:48.49doc|homeSpanska: not any time soon I'd expect :)
03:48.52mwesterThe hope for the GTA03 is that the use of cpu-freq (which isn't yet completly working for any of the other units) will permit the device to boot into Linux, where Linux can then determine if it has enough power to do things like blink an LED, or light up the backlight, or not. :(  I think it's pretty botched, personally).
03:49.16nemikwow. relying on the kernel for that?!
03:49.28mwesterSpanska:  at this time there is no release date for the GTA03, and nothing is said on the GTA04 at all.
03:49.51mwesternemik:  Yes.  The GTA03 eliminates u-boot, so there is nothing else that can manage the PMU at all.
03:49.56SpanskaI guess I'll just wait before doing any important development I guess :P
03:50.43nemikthat just seems like such a bad idea.
03:50.44mwesterThe solution, basically, is that you need a cheap Nokia BL-6c battery as a spare, and a BL-6c external charger.
03:51.21nemikit's a shame this is the only alternative to android.
03:51.34mwesterAh, but it's not.
03:51.48SpanskaAndroid looks good... too bad it's not totally open
03:52.24mwesterCheck out FSO's stated direction -- they are currently working on supporting other hardware with the framework.
03:52.57nemikoh nice
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04:10.22DocScrutinizernicolas.dufresne around here?
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04:29.49CIA-24openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r543745437cd4 10/packages/mokoko/mokoko_svn.bb: mokoko: adding conf file, tags, and alias
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04:37.04slaxxinsweet  me batterys back
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05:00.40Dave:)
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05:10.04slaxxinan hows dave today
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05:11.45FxChiPhallo Dave
05:13.23DaveHello fxchip :D
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05:23.13rasterBOO
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05:35.13FxChiPwell
05:35.14FxChiPMy news
05:35.20FxChiPIs that
05:35.35FxChiPI am not planning on buying an Apple system, ever, if I can help it, and I used to be a fan
05:35.47FxChiPTheir schizophrenia is growing dangerous
05:35.48FxChiP:/
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05:36.20zashFxChiP: :D
05:36.54FxChiPhttp://www.macrumors.com/2008/11/18/apple-incorporates-hdcp-copy-protection-in-new-laptops/ <--- foiajsdf
05:37.08FxChiPUnfortunately a lot of PC makers have done this too :(
05:37.51zash"Mini" DisplayPort
05:37.57zashi say
05:38.47FxChiPHDCP is not fun
05:39.00FxChiPTherefore
05:39.02FxChiPASUS C90s
05:39.06zashand thats why you don't buy media that requires it
05:39.06FxChiPOr something similar
05:39.23FxChiPor you find a way to decrypt the media anyhow
05:39.54FxChiPSurely one must be able to extract the algorithms and keys from a device -- oh wait, The Fucking DMCA.
05:39.59FxChiPI nearly forgot.
05:40.14rooly1wait wait wait
05:40.19rooly1there's a dmca for sex now?
05:40.30zashHERE, HAVE A KEY AND A LOCK
05:40.41FxChiPhaha
05:41.05FxChiPAnd now to make Dave happy, a rant about something closer to mine own "home"
05:41.08FxChiPhttp://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/11/21/apple-lawyers-hand-ipod-hash-cracking-site-a-dmca-notice
05:41.12FxChiP^ what the fucking shit
05:41.45roolyokay, there's no need to talk about strange fetishes in here, man
05:41.52FxChiPThey used to use the mailing list I'm on to discuss details about the new hash they used on the iPhone OS 2.x
05:42.01FxChiPAnd then Apple was like "here, have a DMCA notice"
05:42.04FxChiPBecause guess what
05:42.09FxChiPThe new hashing mechanism uses FairPlay
05:42.25FxChiPThe bastards did that on purpose
05:42.26FxChiP:/
05:42.37zashcan't put songs on his mp3-player
05:42.39zashyay apple
05:42.46zash(without special programs)
05:44.06FxChiPyeah
05:44.12FxChiPlibgpod is generally good at that
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05:44.27FxChiPif your player is an iPod
05:44.36FxChiP(or original iPhone/iPod Touch with 1.x firmware)
05:45.06FxChiP(2.x firmware is Fairplay-ized, specially designed so Apple could slap folk with DMCA suits if they reverse-engineered it >:/ )
05:45.29roolylol
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05:52.56AntonTakkanyone know if there is a way to have zhone dump debugging output to a terminal (like if you ssh in and start it with DISPLAY=:0.0 zhone  ?
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06:11.04CIA-24openmoko: 03werner * r4824 10/developers/werner/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
06:11.04CIA-24openmoko: Cleanup, and track myroot/werner.*
06:11.04CIA-24openmoko: - myroot/werner.myroot, fake-calup/calup.myroot: wmiconfig now comes from the
06:11.05CIA-24openmoko:  feed, so we don't need $wmiconfig anymore (and calup never needed it anyway)
06:11.05CIA-24openmoko: - fake-calup/calup.init: don't wipe out /etc/fstab
06:15.26AntonTakkgot zhone to switch to call screen on placing an outbound call from the dialer  :)
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06:52.29AntonTakkthere, not zhone switches between parts properly (as far as I have tested) for voice calls  :)
06:52.35AntonTakks/not/now
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08:30.29methrilmorning
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08:34.05JackpotManie_hello guys pls visit the page http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/4476982/     thx
08:35.57jonkristianJackpotManie_: why?
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08:36.51jonkristianpfft
08:37.00muxegood question... just by the url i can tell its some kind of "game"
08:37.20jonkristianand it's probably in german
08:37.53muxepenner = bum :)
08:38.35jonkristianHeh
08:43.09CIA-24openmoko: 03charlie137 * r7290a8716291 10/src/libraries/qtopiapim/qsimcontext.cpp: [phonebook] Show a warning when we modify a contact name when importing to sim
08:45.28Hopscotchgood morning
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10:45.49Wonkaaiee. in which SHR package is /usr/share/enlightenment/data/images/test.png?
10:46.22Wonkae claims "Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files." because that file is missing...
10:46.52viqSpeaking of SHR, how do I get usb network going on it?
10:47.44jonkristianviq: was it working before?
10:49.24viqOn 2008.*, 2007.* and debian yes. I didn't quite figure it out on SHR
10:49.38jonkristianviq: is the usb0 interface up on the fr?
10:50.05jonkristianviq: I think if you've used the wlan gui it brings it automaticly down
10:51.59viqah, yes, ifconfig usb0 up helped
10:52.52jonkristian:)
10:53.11jonkristiani think, in /etc/mofi/connect.sh you can disable that
10:55.49rasterWonka: an opkg bug
10:56.11Wonkaraster: how to correct?
10:56.19rasternot sure
10:56.23Wonkaraster: symlink something?
10:56.27rasterremove e-wm packages and re-install
10:56.30rasterno
10:56.33rasternot sure
10:56.37rasterbut its an opkg bug
10:56.53rasterkoen hit it and we debugged for a while - finding it was an opkg bug
10:56.56rasterit simply missed files
10:56.58Wonka*remove* *install*
10:57.03WonkaO.o
10:57.10rastermught have to rebuild the .ipk/opk files
10:57.13rasternot sure
10:57.23rasterbut not a packaging or upstream src bug
10:58.17viqjonkristian: any ideas how can i bring a wlan interface down?
10:58.51jonkristianviq: yeah, ifconfig eth0 down
10:59.39jonkristiangrr, unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
11:00.15jonkristianThere's always something just messing up, hehe
11:00.28Wonkaraster: that file is not in that ipk...
11:00.43rasteryes
11:00.48rasterit was missing for some reason
11:01.00rasterwhy - dont know
11:01.07Wonkaah, so not a bug on my side.
11:01.08rasterbut it should have been packaged and installed
11:01.47viqjonkristian: thanks
11:02.40Wonkaso, the question remains: where do i get that file now? ;)
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11:03.00Wonkasome dirty workaround would be enough for now
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11:03.59Wonka*symlink*
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12:06.26viqIs it possible to get battery/power status on SHR?
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12:20.20Ainulindaleviq: yes
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12:22.04FougnerAinulindale, even for non-openmoko battery?
12:22.20AinulindaleYes
12:22.22Fougnerjust the power (v)
12:22.24FougnerAinulindale, even for non-openmoko battery?09
12:22.32Fougner=)
12:22.34Fougnergood
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13:12.38henkis it possible that Om2008.9 (updated to stable) slows down a lot when there is a lot of files on the sd card?
13:12.44henki.e. another distribution
13:12.46bumblRaigedas:
13:12.51bumblsorry
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14:18.39phobieare there known gps problems in the latest shr images?
14:18.54phobieI get no FF
14:19.32phobieAlready replaced gpsd with fso-gpsd
14:21.25phobieand disabled resume
14:21.59phobies/resume/suspend
14:22.05DaramarakAnyone which settings (OM2008.9) to adjust to turn up the volume on the built in microphone? People have problems hearing me when I accept/make calls
14:23.07Dave:)
14:23.14DaveGood day, Leinir
14:24.03leinircurtsies :)
14:25.53Dave:D
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14:26.19lindi-Daramarak: the wiki has examples
14:26.30lindi-Daramarak: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem
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14:27.37Ainulindalephobie: no there's no known problem
14:27.47AinulindaleI replaced gpsd by fso-gpsd and got a fix
14:27.54phobieok
14:28.17phobieIf I use a external antenna, must it be activated?
14:28.28AinulindaleWhat is "it"? :-)
14:28.38phobiethe mmcx port
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14:32.42Fougnerphobie, I got the external antenna working out of the box =)
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14:37.56Daramaraklindi-:Thanks, I hope it works. AlsaMixer works ok through ssh, but is a pain to use with the stylus.
14:39.41beni_how does it come, that until now not even a basic mixer app is out?
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14:39.49AinulindaleThere is one on illume
14:40.09beni_how to access thatß
14:40.11beni_?
14:40.21AinulindaleThere's a mixer shelf gadget
14:40.27beni_oh cool
14:40.29beni_never seen that
14:42.35AntonTakkadd three lines to zhone and the ui changes for voice calls like it should  :)
14:43.19AntonTakktesting ms 4.1 as a daily phone now
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14:45.17mickey|ezxneed to bundle an update for frameworkd
14:45.24mickey|ezxwe had some important bug fixes since 4.1
14:46.43AntonTakkmickey|ezx: accepting small patches to zhone?
14:47.58mickey|ezxsure
14:48.14beni_it has passed long time since i last updated my phone (om2008.9; 2 months or so). Will it be sufficient to run opkg upgrade?
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14:48.23AntonTakkdo i just put a diff in a ticket on the trac, or?
14:48.24beni_or do i need to reflash something?
14:48.33DaveHey Ainu :)
14:48.36mickey|ezxAntonTakk: yes, please
14:48.47AntonTakkk, will do
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14:49.32AinulindaleDave: hey
14:49.41AinulindaleI'll regenerate an image again today
14:49.48AinulindaleWith fso-gpsd and some stuff packaged in a better way
14:52.17Ainulindale(such as our theme)
14:52.23Ainulindale(which won't replace the existing one)
14:54.02toggles_wAinulindale: the last image is pretty sweet but the sms app crashes for me, is this a known issue?
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14:56.18Ainulindaletoggles_w: DO you have a SIM?
14:56.31toggles_wAinulindale: yessir
14:56.52toggles_wi have ms4.1 in flash, works ok, and shr on uSD
14:56.55AinulindaleOk then wait ten minute I'll keep you in touch
14:57.03toggles_wAinulindale: thanks
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15:07.11Ainulindaletoggles_w: here again
15:10.01Ainulindaletoggles_w: would you please pastebin your /var/log/ophonekitd.log?
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15:11.12toggles_wAinulindale: will do, i need to reboot, give me 5 or so
15:12.09Ainulindaletoggles_w: and flash latest please :-)
15:12.21AinulindaleDo you prefer lite or fat image?
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15:14.31toggles_wAinulindale: i'm running yesterdays is that ok?
15:15.55AinulindaleIt'll be faster and stabler on latest
15:15.59AinulindaleAnd will use fso-gpsd
15:16.06AinulindaleAnd will allow you to choose default illume or illume SHR
15:16.19toggles_wok, shr lite ok?
15:16.20AinulindaleThere's only latest lite, I'll generate fat in ten minutes
15:16.32toggles_wnah, lit will be ok
15:16.39AinulindaleOk :-)
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15:18.38SpeedEvilwill too!
15:18.42SpeedEvileats 7 biscuits.
15:19.10AinulindaleOk, latest boots in half the time
15:19.23SpeedEvil:)
15:19.26Ainulindale(but with no splash)
15:19.38Ainulindale(the splash was seriously hammering the CPU it seems)
15:19.39toggles_wAinulindale: i have a 30 min download, it'll be a while
15:20.12AinulindaleNo problem
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15:22.06Dave:o
15:22.24AinulindaleDave: what?
15:24.36toggles_w~_~
15:24.37aptSTOP DOING THAT!
15:24.40DaveSpeedevil's fattening up on biscuits :p
15:24.58SpeedEvilis waiting for the lemon-chicken to do.
15:25.06SpeedEvilneeds to baste. BRB.
15:25.54Daveo_O
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15:31.12DaramarakIt sounds like SpeedEvil is cooking something good.
15:32.12SpeedEvilChicken covered with lemon juice+lemon zest + salt + bay+rosmary+assorted other herbs + olive oil.
15:32.24DaveDELICIOUS!
15:32.37SpeedEvil+...
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15:36.17AntonTakkthere, took me long enough but i got it submitted  :)
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15:38.01DaramarakSounds very fine SpeedEvil. Cooking is one of my passions too.
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15:39.08slaxxinAinulin will opkg upgrade get it today?
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15:39.42DaveAfter the packages are rebuilt ;)
15:40.13AinulindaleGet it what slaxxin ?
15:40.22slaxxinshr latest
15:40.27AinulindaleYou'll be missing stuff
15:40.34AinulindaleI'd suggest to reflash again.
15:40.37slaxxinyesterdays seemed to work
15:40.41AinulindaleThis should be the latest issue with that kind of stuff
15:40.42slaxxinok
15:40.47DaveAinulindale :(
15:40.49AinulindaleFrom now on opkg upgrade should be safe
15:40.59DaveReally, upgrade won't be the same as flashing?
15:40.59AinulindaleI seriously changed the way we build stuff
15:41.03AinulindaleReally
15:41.11DaveIs this going to change?
15:41.17AinulindaleRead my last remark
15:41.26DaveAlright :)
15:41.28slaxxintoday it changes
15:41.39AntonTakkDave, yeah, sms are displayed in rpn now  :)
15:41.54AinulindaleFat image is here by the way
15:42.03DaveHooray!
15:42.13DavePerfect for Speedevil :P
15:42.17toggles_wAntonTakk: rpn?
15:42.25slaxxinrpn
15:42.26AinulindaleAnd for these people who prefered the old battery theme
15:42.36AinulindaleI packaged our theme as a true package
15:42.42AntonTakktoggles_w: reverse polish notation - more or less the way yoda talks
15:42.47AinulindaleSo this should be modifiable
15:42.55DaveGood shit
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15:44.43slaxxintestlab or not?
15:46.07Ainulindalewhat?
15:46.12Ainulindaletestlab is a feature, not a version
15:46.29slaxxinoo
15:46.30Ainulindaleget the 26th one
15:46.36slaxxini did
15:46.49slaxxinwhat feature?
15:47.21AinulindaleIt outputs package lists and such
15:47.42slaxxini did opkg upgrade
15:47.54slaxxinbut im gonna flash
15:48.25slaxxinpick up the leaves in your yard   Dave
15:48.32slaxxinhaha
15:49.04slaxxinreally its been 22 years since i was in nyc
15:49.29slaxxincarrier reefer school at carrier circle
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15:53.34slaxxinanybody used the hackable1 setup?
15:55.42DaveAinulindale, ETA? :)
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16:01.31Fougner=D
16:01.32FougnerDave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:03.10DaveJOYGASM
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16:04.54AinulindaleDave: ETA of what?
16:05.01Ainulindalefat image?
16:06.40DaveThe image builds
16:06.46DaveTime to completion
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16:07.32AinulindaleErr
16:07.40Ainulindale16:41:55 < Ainulindale> Fat image is here by the way
16:07.46Dave:P
16:07.55DavePackages?
16:08.01AinulindaleEverything's ready
16:08.34DaveHooray!
16:08.44Dave:)
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16:09.25slaxxineta=4 minuits
16:09.34slaxxindone
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16:12.36slegHi all
16:12.38AinulindaleDave: if some software is missing from the repo, please tell me so
16:13.14slaxxinso illume or illumeSHR?
16:13.15slegI'm not sure I'm in the right channel ...
16:13.48slaxxinwat ya looking for?
16:13.57slegI have a problem with my GSM ... It tryed to flash it and it seems to be deadnow :(
16:14.18slaxxinopenmoko?
16:14.27slegYes ... freerunner
16:14.29lindi-slaxxin: you flashed gsm chip?
16:14.30Ainulindaleslaxxin: your choice
16:14.36lindi-i mean sleg
16:14.39Ainulindaleillume SHR is our theme
16:14.41Ainulindaleand profile
16:14.45slaxxinok
16:14.51DaveAlright
16:14.57DaveWhere's this FAT image?
16:15.02AinulindaleUp your ass
16:15.09slaxxinright there dave
16:15.12Ainulindalehttp://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.tar.gz
16:15.19AinulindaleFor example
16:15.26Ainulindalehttp://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081126-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary <= for flash
16:15.35Dave:o
16:15.59FougnerDave =D
16:15.59DaveThat's the fat one? :)
16:16.06Fougnerhahha
16:16.09Fougnerfat
16:16.09AinulindaleYeah
16:16.11sleglindi: yes ... I tried but I got a 'Flash operation timeout' while it was flashing
16:16.12slaxxin15 megs shy
16:16.40sleglindi-, And now ... it does not answer :(
16:16.43slaxxinsame apps there though
16:17.02slaxxinlost me green battery
16:17.21slaxxinis it in the other profile?
16:17.26slegDoes anybody know if a can wake it up ??
16:17.47Ainulindaleslaxxin: yes
16:17.55slaxxinsleg did u reboot?
16:18.27slegYes ... I reboot, reflash with Om200.08 ... SHR ... FSO ... Debian ...
16:18.31slegnothing work
16:18.36slaxxinooooo
16:18.56slaxxinu reflash the gsm already?
16:19.02lindi-sleg: the flash program is non-free, can't really help :/
16:19.03slegNow I'm on SHR and I installed libgsmd-tools
16:20.13slegslaxxin, I tried to reflash ... but it keep on 'Bootloader: (reset target)' ... But nothing append
16:20.22FougnerAinulindale, what's the lite image doing? =)
16:20.26slegI'm afraid it's dead :(
16:20.27AinulindaleIt's on the wiki
16:21.42toggles_wAinulindale: no go.. http://pastebin.com/m65fecf96 will reboot and try again
16:21.46slegWith gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F, I have a lot of timeout
16:22.35Ainulindaletoggles_w: what's the problem here?
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16:24.09slegsee the log : http://www.tsleg.com/freerunner/logGSM
16:25.08toggles_wAinulindale: everything  crashed, dialer, sms
16:25.20toggles_wi think sms was because i was hitting it before it registered with tmobile
16:25.36toggles_wbut the dialer should have been registered when i tried it
16:25.38AinulindaleOn this log, you're registered
16:25.48AinulindalePlease launch them using ssh and pastebin me what they say
16:27.00toggles_wAinulindale: command?
16:27.10AinulindaleDISPLAY=":0" openmoko-messages
16:27.18toggles_wAinulindale: thanks
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16:28.18toggles_wAinulindale: http://pastebin.com/m441a6e3c
16:28.35Ainulindaleps auxw | grep ophonekitd, is it there?
16:29.13toggles_wnope
16:29.23AinulindaleThen it's normal you can't use them
16:29.28AinulindaleIs there any change in the ophonekitd log?
16:30.33toggles_wAinulindale: http://pastebin.com/m930806b
16:30.57Ainulindaletoggles_w: would you please try DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& and tell me what it does in the end?
16:31.01Ainulindale(Is it just exiting?)
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16:31.16Ainulindaletoggles_w: please, let's talk about that in cdevel
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16:33.24slegNobody can help me for my dead GSM ?
16:33.38lindi-sleg: are you sure its your GSM chip that is broken?
16:34.06sleglindi-, I think but I'm not sure
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16:34.25SpeedEvilsleg: where in the world are you and what SIM do you have from  what provider?
16:34.40sleglindi-, but I tried with libgsmd-tools ... nothing works ...
16:35.26sleglindi-, I'm in France (SFR provider), but It work fine before I tried to flash ...
16:35.47SpeedEvilflash the GSM firmware>
16:35.49SpeedEvil?
16:35.50sleglindi-, It did not work with my other SIM card (Orange)
16:35.57slegSpeedEvil, Yes
16:36.24slegThat's why I tried to flash the GSM
16:36.41slegBut now it doesn't work at all :(
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16:37.01slegDo you know how to use libgsmd-tools ?
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16:38.16slegEvery command I run gives me an empty answer
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16:44.26SpeedEvil:(
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16:45.07slegSpeedEvil, Yes ... :(
16:45.21SpeedEvilsleg: neo1973 or FR?
16:45.29slegSpeedEvil, FR
16:45.49SpeedEvilSorry - I've very little insight on this - I've held off flashing my neo1973.
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16:47.04slegWhat I don't understand is why the flash progress failed ... I can't see anything about this problem ...
16:47.26SpeedEvilDid you log the process?
16:47.31SpeedEvilWere there any error messages?
16:47.39slegWhile it was flashing, i got a 'Flash operation timeout'
16:50.14slegSpeedEvil, I did not keep the log, but it was a bit like http://www.tsleg.com/freerunner/flashlog
16:50.53slegSpeedEvil, It was still moving just before it failed ...
16:51.07SpeedEvil:/
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16:51.53slegTo bad my phonecan not make phone calls anymore ... :'(
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16:52.56mwestersleg:  check the kernel or distro mailing lists for a thread about the same problem.
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16:54.03DaveHmm
16:54.17slegmwester, thanks ... I will tell about my problem on the kernel ML ...
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16:59.18slegThanks all ... bye.
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17:00.35Tig|well loaded up with a SHR image I am going to give my FR another go as my main phone...
17:01.29Tig|I will need to change the ringtone and sms tone though :)
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17:15.34TAsnTig|, that's a matter of seconds ;]
17:15.47TAsnso I guess you are good to go.! ;]
17:16.08Tig|TAsn: yeah I know,  just mooching around the freesound archive looking for a new tone :)
17:16.32TAsnyou know oggs are supported, right?
17:16.46TAsnI used the metal version of the free software song ;]
17:17.06Dave:)
17:17.29Tig|noooooooooooooooooooooo
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17:18.36TAsnTig|, aye ;]
17:18.43TAsnI couldn't help it.
17:18.49TAsnit makes me laugh every time.
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17:19.05TAsnmy nokia ringtone was "Yo ho Yo ho a pirates life for me."
17:19.16Tig|If I wanted to be embarrassed I would leave the default one on :P
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17:20.10TAsntouche.
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17:21.59EtienneGhi guys
17:22.14EtienneGI just got my Freerunner, and it is running 2007.2
17:23.08EtienneGit seems that the 2007.2 software repository is not on downloads.openmoko.org anymore; have it benn moved?
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17:23.10jonkristiancool
17:23.12muxejuhu
17:23.21jonkristianEtienneG: it's not supported anymore
17:23.28jonkristianEtienneG: i'd suggest shr
17:23.30Daveyarr
17:23.37jonkristianDAVE
17:23.44jonkristianarrrr
17:23.49Tig|yarr
17:23.57jonkristianDaarrrrve
17:24.26EtienneGjonkristian, yeah, I got that and will upgrade shortly when time permit; is the 2007.2 repository still available somewhere, or it is gone completely?
17:24.33Dave:D
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17:24.45jonkristianEtienneG: Not sure
17:24.47TAsnhmm it's still there, or so I think.
17:24.48ccflyhello :)
17:24.48EtienneGjonkristian, shr == ???
17:24.55EtienneG(sorry, I am new here)
17:24.56SpeedEvil~shr
17:24.56aptfrom memory, shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO.  See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release
17:25.02TAsnEtienneG, wiki.openmoko.org
17:25.21jonkristianunable to enumerate USB device on port 1
17:25.26TAsnSpeedEvil, someone should change that, shr has *nothing* to do with the 2007.2 software!
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17:25.30jonkristianCan i reset somehow?
17:25.34jonkristian$$$
17:25.47TAsnpress the power button?
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17:26.59mwesterPull the battery out?
17:27.24TAsnEtienneG, actually it seems it really isn't supported. i.e no live repos
17:27.28jonkristianActually, suspend worked, and that error was on the laptop when i plugged the fr
17:27.36EtienneGreading up on this SHR thing: is it possible to do an in-place update from 2007.2 to SHR?
17:27.37TAsnyou can use the angstrom ones, though that won't help you a lot.
17:27.38jonkristiansuspend/unsuspend
17:27.45EtienneGTAsn, bummer!
17:27.50TAsnEtienneG, just flash it.
17:28.00TAsnEtienneG, read the shr wiki page.
17:28.06TAsnit knows more than we do ;]
17:28.16jonkristianbought a 8gb sandisk micro sdhc card today:D
17:28.19TAsnthe wiki is the smartest being here.
17:28.35TAsnjonkristian, I bought mine a month ago, sooo much fun ;]
17:29.53jonkristianAnd this:) http://www.clasohlson.no/Product/Product.aspx?id=28982690
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17:30.28jonkristianTAsn: cool, are you running debian or something, I plan to test hackable1:)
17:31.01TAsnjonkristian, COOL!
17:31.08TAsnnah, I'm not running debian.
17:31.13TAsnI really like shr
17:31.15Tig|EtienneG: flashing is the easiest and it is not difficult and also the FR is designed so you can't break it by flashing it
17:31.57TAsn(actually what I like is illume and the framework. shr is just a good mix of the both with cool themes and a few good apps)
17:32.07jonkristianTAsn: yeah, can't wait to try it, it's charging up right now:) I thought about that SE one, but it's twice the price;)
17:32.28EtienneGTig|, that is most definitely good news
17:32.28TAsntwice the price = half the pleasure ;]
17:32.33jonkristianThere I go again, all those commas:/
17:32.39EtienneGnow, I just need to settle on whcih distro to use
17:32.40TAsnEtienneG, let the hacks begin...
17:32.48Tig|EtienneG: I also suggest SHR  :)
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17:32.55TAsnEtienneG, we all suggest shr ;]
17:32.58jonkristianEtienneG: trust me, you won't settle before you've tried 'em all:D
17:33.05TAsnthough after you get used to the phone
17:33.08jonkristianWell, if you're like me, hehe
17:33.10Tig|several times :)
17:33.11TAsndual boot with
17:33.19TAsndebian/android/etc etc
17:33.23TAsnjust for the kicks ;]
17:33.38EtienneGjonkristian, pity time is in such a high demand that I wonder when I will have the time to actually do so!  :)
17:33.42jonkristianwonder what he shall use his 8gb for
17:33.46jonkristianEtienneG: Hehe
17:33.57TAsnEtienneG, I failed my algebra test because I spent too much time on the moko ;]
17:33.58EtienneGare the koolu people on this channel?  I would like to thank them for unit
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17:34.11TAsnEtienneG, some of them are, I can't recall the nicks though.
17:34.14EtienneGthey sponsored two units for a contest with LPI examdev, I won one
17:34.26TAsncool.
17:34.36TAsncongrats. ;]
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17:36.03GromgullDoes anyone have any experience with the accelerometers?
17:36.14GromgullIf I make a reading... and then wait 3s and read again
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17:36.37GromgullWhat do I get? i.e. does it add up over time, or is it just the current acceleration?
17:36.41SpeedEvilcurrent
17:36.54Gromgullso I have to keep reading a few times a second
17:36.56SpeedEvilthe output format is (IIRC) 8 bits - with the top at +-2G
17:36.58Gromgullto keep track of things properly
17:37.06Gromgullyeah - you can set it to 8G if you want
17:37.07SpeedEvilwhat are you hoping to keep track of?
17:37.18Gromgullmovement :)
17:37.42TAsnGromgull, I suggest you look on rotate's and gestures's code
17:37.44SpeedEvilyou can't do (meaningfully) inertial positioning if that's what you mean.
17:37.54GromgullI was hoping to show a windows onto a large picture, then moving the moko around would move the window ...
17:38.04Gromgullif you see what i mean... it kinda works, but it's not as natural as I had hoped
17:38.09SpeedEvilThe accellerometers tell you where 'down' is.
17:38.32SpeedEvilThey are totally insensitive (almost) to rotation around the down axis
17:39.02SpeedEvilThe almost is centripetal force.
17:39.16Gromgullyes - this I realised... but if you hold the freerunner flat in front of you and push it forward
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17:39.22Gromgullthis should register ?
17:39.34Gromgullyou can currently move the picture by tilting the thing, which is also nice
17:39.36SpeedEvilWell - the problem is that 16mg is the minimum sensitivity.
17:39.36Gromgullbut not what I wanted
17:39.49SpeedEvilwhich is 16cm/s/s
17:40.04Gromgullright, so you have to move it pretty hard
17:40.05Gromgullhmm
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17:40.33SpeedEvilYou can try to assume that the device is not accellerating vertically, work out what the 'down' angle is, and what your excess G is due to that.
17:40.33Gromgulland so if when I read I always get the current values, then what does sample_rate mean?
17:40.58SpeedEvilBut that's not likely to work well as I understand it, as there is too much noise.
17:41.11GromgullFor the time being I take a reading at the start, and assume this represents zero, i.e. you leave it lying on the table when you start...
17:41.14SpeedEvilAs I understand it, it's how often the kernel polls the accels.
17:41.28Gromgullright, so reading more often than sample_rate does not make sens
17:41.33Gromgulle
17:41.58SpeedEvilIf you hope to be able to for example - slide it around on a table, and see what's 'under' the FR for example, then you can't do that.
17:42.16SpeedEvilThe accels are several times too noisy for that.
17:42.40SpeedEvilEven the best ones will drift a metre in not much time at all.
17:42.58AntonTakkreally?
17:43.02SpeedEvilyes
17:43.07Gromgullbugger :)
17:43.08SpeedEvil16mg is 16cm/s/s.
17:43.24AntonTakkmakes you wonder just how usefull they can be outside of screen rotation
17:43.37SpeedEvilthat's 1m/s after only 6 seconds.
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17:43.56SpeedEvilAnd a position error of 3m
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17:44.17SpeedEvil(neglecting the fact there are three accels - and assuming you can't oversample out some of the noise)
17:44.21GromgullHow good are the wii accelerometers?
17:44.26Gromgullare ours especially crappy?
17:44.39SpeedEvilGromgull: IIRC about an order of magnitude better.
17:45.00SpeedEvilBut that takes you only to 1m after 20 seconds or so
17:45.13GromgullAnd three accels? I thought we had only two?
17:45.16SpeedEvilThe ones in the FR are much smaller and have digital out
17:45.20SpeedEvil2 3 axis
17:45.25Gromgullright
17:45.59SpeedEvilIn principle you can average the two accels.
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17:46.20Gromgullyes, i thought about this
17:46.23Gromgullit should be pretty
17:46.24Gromgulleasy
17:46.28GromgullI'll try after dinner
17:46.30Gromgullthanks for the help!
17:46.38Gromgullit's much clearer now!
17:46.38SpeedEvilBut IIRC you get at best sqrt(2) improvement
17:46.43SpeedEviloh
17:46.44SpeedEvilalso
17:46.48SpeedEvilthe page I wrote
17:46.50SpeedEvilhangon
17:47.03Gromgullhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals ?
17:47.04Gromgullthis?
17:47.16SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals
17:47.20SpeedEviljk
17:47.21SpeedEvilk
17:47.30Gromgull:)
17:47.32Gromgullthanks
17:47.40SpeedEvilgood luck.
17:47.49SpeedEvilAnd please prove me wrong by averaging and stuff :)
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17:53.38jonkristianis there a ui for bluetooth in shr, or is manually ftw! ?
17:53.47Dave:p
17:54.07AntonTakkdoh!
17:55.01AntonTakkneed to see if i can change the default illume kb in fso m4 to automatically take 100% screen width so it gets bigger when you hold the phone in landscape
17:56.50Tig|jonkristian: well you can turn it on with the settings app after that it is manual
17:57.21Tig|i am having issues with the input from my bluetooth keyboard
17:57.48Dave:o
17:57.53DaveTig, you got it to work? :D
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17:58.49Tig|Dave: well it connects,  creates a device that recieves keypresses in /dev but they vanish into X and never appear
17:59.05Daveyeah
17:59.10DaveThat's as far as I ever got too
17:59.18DaveI heard someone got it working here, the other day :o
17:59.21Tig|it is odd though as it used to work
17:59.35Tig|in SHR iirc
17:59.39Tig|not she FSO
18:00.07Tig|argh,  I thought I had it working in FSO before not SHR,  definately in 2007 and ASU
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18:00.17Dave:|
18:00.32Tig|it was just a hidd --search and off it went :)
18:01.24Dave:D
18:01.32Daveyeah, I remember that... (the good old days) ;)
18:01.34Davealas
18:01.55Tig|heh
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18:02.17Tig|at least we still have hidd,  that went at one point
18:03.35Dave:x
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18:06.51sicu~shr
18:06.52aptmethinks shr is The Stable Hybrid Release (SHR), intended to be a community driven distribution composed of the FSO and some basic applications, that can be configured to use several different graphical toolkits, for example GTK or EFL. SHR is based on the FSO build. At first, SHR was introduced in order to use the Openmoko2007.2 GTK software in combination with the new FSO, but things have changed.
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18:08.07Daveyeah, changed...
18:08.11Davefor the queerer.
18:08.34milos_has anyone saw the zzz phone? :)
18:08.58lindi-s/saw/seen/
18:09.22Davezzz?
18:09.26DaveThe sleepy phone?
18:09.34Davesounds a bit like the freerunner on 2008
18:09.39Daveit goes to sleep, but never wakes up :[
18:09.42sicuhaha
18:09.54DaveSPDD
18:10.02DaveSPDS
18:10.07DaveSudden Phone Death Syndrome
18:10.11Daveit dies in its sleep :[
18:10.15Davepoor wittle phone
18:10.54sicuit's actually rather big
18:11.43milos_their page is quite funny http://www.198china.com/zzzbook/
18:11.48Daveyeah yeah ¬_¬
18:11.51Davehahaha china?
18:11.52milos_it has blue tooth
18:11.55milos_:)
18:12.39Daveconsidering that webpage is just a placeholder for some flash animation... I'm never going there again.
18:12.56DavePlus the fact it's probably some chinese iphone ripoff, yeah.
18:13.12milos_no, it's g1 ripoff
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18:13.31Daveoh haha
18:13.34Davefrom china?
18:13.37milos_it has android
18:13.41milos_yup
18:13.45milos_119$
18:13.46Daverofl
18:13.58DaveCHINESE BE STEALIN' UR ANDROIDZ
18:14.02Davebig bootleggin' baby!
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18:25.04Tig|odd I edited my default profile config file changed the message tone and it is still playing the old one
18:27.40Ainulindalerobtaylor?
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18:41.46slaxxinall your Androidz belongz to us
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18:52.04DocScrutinizer2i didn't dare to say...
18:52.41DocScrutinizer2ARE belonz, btw
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19:22.09GromgullFun fun : http://flickr.com/photos/gromgull/3061157129/
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19:31.55zerghaseHi
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19:46.05jajhttp://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.cvs/81283
19:46.33jajthat makes me very happy, I need to test this ASAP
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19:48.06viqjaj: you have a FreeRunner?
19:48.14jajviq: yes
19:48.18viqer
19:48.33viqYes, on this channel most people do ;)
19:48.40jaj;)
19:48.56mwesterYes, we all come here to commiserate. :(
19:48.58viqThe proper question here would be "are you an OpenBSD user" ;)
19:49.05jajviq: yes ;)
19:50.14viqYes, I'm waiting for that port to mature too
19:50.27viqjaj: and which distro are you using at the moment on your FR?
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19:56.31jajviq: I have qtopia on the flash drive and debian on the SD card
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19:56.58AntonTakkmwester: if fso ms4.1 would suspend/resume properly and reliably it might just be usable as a daily phone here
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19:57.55viqAh. I'm playing recently with SHR on the card
19:58.20AntonTakkas it is, it can be as long as i'm not away from a power supply for to long so i don't have to suspend
19:59.10mwesterfso or shr?   (but I think they both suffer from the same problem)
19:59.35AntonTakkfso - MS4.1 to be exact
20:00.12AntonTakkput a little time in to applying some minor fixage to zhone and it's quite nice now
20:00.15mwesterOk.   The WSoD or just misses the call that should wake it up?
20:00.41AntonTakkwon't unsuspend at all, no wsod, just stays black
20:00.49mwesterooh.  ouch.
20:00.59mwesterdebug board?
20:01.07AntonTakkunfortunately, no
20:01.45mwesterok.  so power button doesn't wake it, nor does plugging it into a host via usb?
20:01.52AntonTakknope
20:01.59AntonTakknor call
20:02.17mwesterOk.  So really, we don't know if it even suspended, or if it won't resume. :(
20:02.31AntonTakkinteresting thing is when i called it, it didn't go right to voice mail
20:02.46AntonTakkit acted like the fr should be ringing
20:03.35AntonTakkwell, i saw the text console as it went in to what I assumed was suspend
20:04.39AntonTakkjust tried it again and it seems to have resumed fine
20:04.41jajviq: have been by chance been able to successfully use dfu-util from openbsd?
20:04.52AntonTakkmaybe i was doin it wrong
20:05.33viqjaj: no, AFAIK support for "usb reset" is missing from libusb
20:05.34mwesterNaw, I suspect there are still some bugs to be worked out.  But the thing is, they're not going to even get looked at on the current kernel; we have to switch to the newer one.  And that will be painful, with a lot of regressions.
20:05.35mwester:(
20:06.21AntonTakkhrm, resumed to answer the call  :)
20:07.02AntonTakkresumed on usb plug-in
20:07.33AntonTakkgonna let it charge up fully then suspend and see what the batt charge is like in an hour
20:08.41Kensanmwester: hi there
20:09.27Kensanmwester: did you read the mails about WSOD (1841)?
20:09.35mwesteryep
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20:10.17Kensanmwester: jbt driver sounds like a probable culprit imho...
20:10.36mwesterSince one assumes that Andy has access to an oven and a fridge (they have those in the UK, right? :p ) we look forward to a fix...
20:10.59Kensanmwester: heh
20:11.37mwesterI've been married so long that my wife didn't even mention it the other day when she found the FR in our refrigerator.
20:11.53mwesterShe's grown accustomed to strange things with electronics around here...
20:12.12Kensanmwester: ah...
20:12.22jonkristianAnybody tried the debian installer from within shr?
20:15.20jonkristianIt'll probably be no problem, but given that it says all official images should run fine, i thought i'd best to ask first:)
20:15.35bumblmwester: haha
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20:19.28mwesterhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/technology/personaltech/27pogue.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&em  <--- good read for those who wonder what sort of bar we have to meet in terms of usability for the general public.
20:22.08doc|homeheh, reading that reminded me of using the freerunner
20:22.12doc|homethe scroll stuff
20:22.15jonkristianuhm
20:22.32doc|homewtd, the storm doesn't have wifi?!
20:22.36mwester:)  and the response times...
20:22.37doc|home*wtf
20:22.42jonkristianwell, alot of the usability lies in the software, not if it's soft/hard keyboard
20:22.58jonkristianI would guess*
20:23.13doc|home"Freezes, abrupt reboots, nonresponsive controls, cosmetic glitches."
20:23.17doc|homejust like the freerunner!
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20:23.22doc|homewe're in good company
20:23.24jonkristianI'm not saying, because im not a developer of any kind, but I do know some things about useability.
20:23.34mwesterYep,  and I really wonder what the reviewer would make of the on-screen keyboards (all 4,539 of them) we've had for the FR.
20:23.44doc|homehahaha
20:23.45jonkristian:D
20:24.17bumblmwester: one has to sign up
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20:25.04mwesterhttp://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/4-0-0&fp=492dd5ab251170c3&ei=6q8tSc7SOKTMM-PgiCY&url=http%3A//www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/technology/personaltech/27pogue.html%3Fem&cid=1273925153&sig2=R7tR5JKSAeZYf3GuYv5YPg&usg=AFQjCNFnuSva-UPUJzfh05EBmclhkJgGMQ  <-- perhaps going via google works?
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20:27.08bumblnope
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20:30.32mwester:(  Well, I certainly haven't signed up, so it must be based on something else, like where you're coming from?  Sorry...
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20:31.11jonkristianOMG
20:31.22jonkristianMy fr scared the crap out of me
20:31.29viq?
20:31.34jonkristianNo Sim, and it just started ringing
20:31.51jonkristianlol
20:31.58jonkristianalarm
20:31.58viqhehe
20:32.21jonkristianwatches too many scary movies
20:32.42mwesterI was just going to suggest that perhaps it was the spirits of the dead calling... :p
20:33.53jonkristianI had a similar experience an hour ago, i was toothbrushing and all of a sudden my flat-mate stood behind me in there, newly awaken :O
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20:34.35jonkristianTired face, black hair and black t-shirt, i jumped:D
20:39.09APzI see a great opporturnity for a practical joke.
20:39.41APzif the software notices there's no sim, it could randomly act like there was an incoming call, and if the call is answered, it could play back something scary
20:43.18apolwhat is the qt extended state on openmoko?
20:45.18robtaylorAinulindale: ?
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21:23.57slaxxinjonkristion   iv tried to installl debian on sdcard 3 times   an fail is what happened
21:28.18Sargunhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS Should FIC be changed to OpenMoko?
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21:34.00AntonTakk49 hours in suspend, horible, as phones go, but "good enough" for now
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21:34.58AntonTakkroughly estimated
21:36.52slaxxinwhisk os u have anton
21:37.07slaxxinshr
21:38.21AntonTakkfso ms4.1
21:38.53slaxxinhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gollum-OpenMoko.jpg
21:39.33AntonTakkhehe  nice
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21:42.10nemikwhere are the latest FSO images to be downloaded?
21:42.26slaxxinhows everything in fso 4.1?
21:42.35slaxxinnov 20
21:42.53slaxxinhttp://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone4.1/?C=M;O=D
21:43.11Tig|_does anyone know how the SHR new text message notification works?
21:43.16nemikthanks slaxxin
21:43.41Tig|_as I have found a bug but not sure how to dig out more info on it
21:45.34AntonTakknemik: and with three one line additions to zhone you can have it switching to the active call screen like it should :)
21:45.52AntonTakkwell, two, and the third returns to the main menu when you end a call
21:46.11nemikoh nice
21:46.23nemiki haven't tried a non-illume image yet, i'll see how it works
21:47.30AntonTakkthe normal fso image has illume, it just also has zhone, which it starts automatically once x/e are up
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21:47.52nemikah ok
21:48.25AntonTakkzhone is just a phone app, like the qtopia apps all rolled in to a single python script
21:48.51CIA-24freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r327 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Update test application
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21:50.42timurhey guys, anyone know if/where hotshot.py is in the repo/
21:50.43timur?
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22:01.07mmaestrihi
22:05.43CIA-24freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07zhone * r605686fc96d1 10/ (data/themes/toby/zhone_call.edc src/zhone): Show the name from the phonebook (in addition to the number) during call
22:06.18slaxxinwelll i hope 4.1fso is better than the other
22:06.35kd8iktcant say i've tried it yet
22:06.54slaxxinshr for the past 2 weeks
22:07.05kd8iktme2
22:07.05AntonTakkslaxxin: with minor mods to zhone i can make and receive calls and sms and suspend reliably
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22:07.16kd8iktnice
22:07.24kd8ikthat kernel?
22:07.24slaxxinits on the wiki right?
22:07.45AntonTakkkd8ikt: the one that is with the ms4.1 rootfs
22:07.55AntonTakkslaxxin: no, the fso trac
22:07.56kd8iktok
22:08.29slaxxini have only had 1 sms work correctly in all the time i have been doing this
22:09.35kd8ikti wish i could attach screenshots too
22:09.49AntonTakkslaxxin: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/258
22:09.59CIA-24openmoko: 03werner * r4826 10/developers/werner/bin/lab4:
22:09.59CIA-24openmoko: Rearranging my desktop ... put console window on top. ttyACMx is on its
22:09.59CIA-24openmoko: way out anyway.
22:10.23kd8iktnice does that work now?
22:10.40AntonTakkkd8ikt: i been using it today
22:10.59AntonTakkmade and received a call last night and then again this morning w/o reboot or poweroff
22:11.14kd8iktheh i remember having to goto contacts click call and wait a bit then swap to dialer and you could see the in progress call
22:11.23AntonTakkhad it plugged in to usb all night to charge
22:11.37AntonTakkkd8ikt: that's one of the ones I fixed
22:11.47kd8iktnice
22:12.44AntonTakkplace a call from dialer or contacts > activate call and go to active call screen, hang up > release call and go to main menu
22:14.17kd8ikthttp://tinyurl.com/5nxtel
22:15.48slaxxinhow to make the modifications?
22:16.38anttnaGromgull: {Fun fun : http://flickr.com/photos/gromgull/3061157129/} are you making a fixie from a freewheel?
22:17.38AntonTakkslaxxin: look at the diff in the trac, add the green lines to zhone with vi
22:17.49slaxxinok
22:18.03AntonTakkit's only three lines, after all
22:20.42slaxxin/etc/zhone?
22:20.49slaxxini dont know
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22:20.52AntonTakk/usr/bin/zhone
22:20.56slaxxinok
22:20.57AntonTakkwhich zhone
22:20.58Gromgullanttna: I am trying :)
22:20.58slaxxinthanks
22:21.10EtienneGhe there
22:21.17kd8iktwhat those lines arent there ?
22:21.38AntonTakkkd8ikt: nope, thats why they need added
22:21.48kd8ikt:D
22:22.05EtienneGjust installed Qt-Extended 4.4.2 on my FR ... is Bluetooth, Wifi and GPS working on that distribution?
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22:23.46anttnaGromgull: anttna: I am trying :). I don't think that would be very safe!. Have you ever had a rear wheel lock on a fixie?
22:24.17GromgullYou locking the readwheel with your feet?
22:24.21Gromgulleh
22:24.22Gromgullrearwheel
22:24.51Gromgullthe issue being that the lockring may unscrew if you lock the wheel?
22:25.10kd8ikti musta missed the previous conversation
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22:25.21kd8iktcause thats over my head
22:26.18Tig|_EtienneG: not an expert on qt extended but I did not think they had working wifi or bluetooth (no image has a decent gui bluetooth system yet)
22:26.58Tig|_there is a GPS app for QT extended in the wiki but not used it
22:28.05kd8iktfinnaly got a sandisk
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22:28.31AntonTakkyeah, i'll need a good sized usd is i'm gonna start using the fr full time
22:28.45kd8ikt2GB (traded my junk 4GB) that om didnt like
22:28.56AntonTakki was thinking 8
22:29.18kd8iktthat'd be nice too
22:30.28anttnaGromgull: say if your chain comes off and locks in between the frame and sprocket: not cook if your blasting through traffic etc. Not a skid on purpose - very scary and maybe letha
22:31.03Gromgullanttna: but this is equally dangerous on a fixie with a proper fixie hub?
22:31.14Gromgulli.e. with a reverse threaded lockring
22:32.06anttnaGromgull: yes but i just don't like the idea of a home made fixed sprocket. Have you read sheldon's page on this?
22:32.29Gromgullyes, he brazed his
22:32.44Gromgullthat's how I realised that this could work
22:33.36AntonTakkkd8ikt: i think another big usage improvement would be if the illume kb layouts expanded to take advantage of having more screen realestate in landscape
22:34.30anttnaGromgull>yes, he brazed his. OK my mistake I remembered (thought) his page saying it was a no no. my fault
22:34.46Gromgullanttna: http://sheldonbrown.org/bass/index-one.html
22:34.48Gromgullyes
22:34.49kd8ikti agree
22:34.56Gromgullhe says it's a bit dodgy and the brazing came apart later
22:35.00Gromgullbut then it just starts coasting
22:35.01mmaestrii'm having networking issues, my fr cannot connect to the internet via my laptop. i'm using shr
22:35.03Gromgulland no harm is done
22:35.21GromgullI do not rely on skid-braking anyway... i have a front brake for this
22:35.34kd8iktifdown usb0; ifup usb0?
22:35.40mmaestrimy lan is on the range 192.168.0.x and I cannot change it because of my shitty router
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22:36.06mmaestrikd8ikt: i can connect to the fr via ssh
22:36.12kd8ikt[###################
22:36.20kd8ikt(i'm flashing)
22:36.40jonkristian:D
22:37.08quatroxAntonTakk: some people (like me) prefer the keyboard the way it is now. Therefore it would be a good solution to make it easy to swap orientation with the aux btn
22:37.34kd8iktwhats aux do now?
22:37.40quatroxnothing
22:37.52kd8iktblasphemy
22:39.05Tig|_heh
22:39.09quatroxwell, in SHR, the aux btn event is not used to anything
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22:39.27kd8ikti had mine as a backlight lock button
22:39.31sicummaestri: if you have both in the same range, try this --> ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 up; route del 192.168.0.0/24 usb0; route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw usb0
22:39.41kd8iktso i couldnt wake it from touching the pad only aux
22:40.59AntonTakkquatrox: why do you prefer having the kb squashed in the center with blank space on the sides?
22:41.15AntonTakkjust curious
22:41.52anttnaGromgull: i have a front brake for this, then you'll go faster. Hey i'll stop talking off topic incase it is annoying others. Be safe :)
22:41.57mmaestrisicu
22:42.34mmaestriwhen I do route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw usb0 it says "host unknown"
22:42.43quatroxAntonTakk: I don't. I guess I misunderstood. I meant that the total area used for the keyboard (including the free space), is big enough.
22:43.13Gromgullanttna: thanks! Some day we'll find a topic that intersects fixie/openmoko :)
22:44.06quatroxAntonTakk: and the 'q' button should not be moved closer to the edge
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22:44.14AntonTakkquatrox: ah, i'm talking only when th phone is on it's side (landscape) i think it would be great if the keys would expand a bit and spread out to have some dead space BETWEEN then instead of around them, i think it would make it much easier to type an sms for instance
22:44.30quatroxbecause then it would be very difficult to use fingers
22:44.51quatroxahh
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22:44.53quatroxok
22:45.00quatroxI never tried that
22:45.07anttnaGromgull: well i want to do some open street mapping on my bike so a nice bike mount would be nice :), or maybe saving a picture from a helmet cam. But i'm not sure this would be possible
22:45.09^wd^mmaestri, gw specifies nexthop IP
22:45.36mmaestriyes, i just did what sicu said
22:45.37GromgullHelmet USB cam attached to the moko on the handlebars? :)
22:45.40^wd^mmaestri, dev for device, but its must be auto
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22:46.02mmaestri...and then checked that it was wrong
22:46.21anttnaGromgull: yip
22:46.23Gromgullanttna: http://blog.printf.net/articles/2008/08/11/an-openmoko-bike-ride
22:46.24^wd^mmaestri, ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 up
22:46.25Gromgullthere is this
22:46.34^wd^on desktop
22:46.51^wd^and try ping 192.168.0.202
22:46.57anttnaGromgull: good on ye
22:47.09Gromgullthat's not mine though!
22:47.24mmaestri^wd^:  already up, and ping works
22:47.34mmaestrii'm connected via ssh to the fr
22:47.41mmaestrithat's not a problem
22:47.45^wd^ouch
22:47.53^wd^what the problem?
22:48.02mmaestrimy problem is, I cannot connect to the internet via my laptop
22:48.16mmaestrithrough usb connection
22:48.17quatroxAntonTakk: I just tried the keyboard in landscape mode and agree with you:)
22:48.23^wd^on fr by default gw over 192.168.0.200
22:48.23Tig|_really should we not be looking at a BT image transfer to the FR#
22:48.39^wd^is it exist?
22:49.06^wd^on desktop enabled ip_forwarding and may be nat ?
22:49.13mmaestriyes
22:49.38mmaestrithe thing is, i've tried other images before, and never had this problem
22:49.46mmaestriit happened with shr
22:49.57quatroxkd8ikt: how did you configure the aux btn to act like a backlight switch?
22:50.17^wd^what if u ping far ip from fr?
22:50.25lindi-Tig|_: btw image transfer?
22:50.42mmaestri^wd^: like google's ip?
22:50.48kd8iktit was kinda default
22:50.50^wd^yes
22:51.27mmaestriit says network is unreachable
22:52.06^wd^ping far ip of ur desktop ?
22:52.14^wd^inet interface
22:52.23quatroxkd8ikt: ahh... now I know what you mean... well - it could do something more. Double push, push-hold, etc,
22:52.44mmaestriyou say my public ip?
22:52.51Tig|_mmaestri: idiotic mistake should be BT transfer from the camera to the transmission device
22:53.10quatroxI miss the power btn menu we had in OM2007.2 - OM2008.8
22:53.18^wd^if ur public ip on host which has usb0 with 192.168.0.200
22:53.41Tig|_quatrox: atually that was handy
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22:54.28Tig|_quatrox:  I think the reasons that the devs are shying away from that kind thing is that that it ties it to specific hardware
22:54.39quatroxmmaestri: what is your current setup? FR->Linux PC->Internet?
22:55.21jonkristianjust got bt audio streaming working on the laptop, one down, one to go.
22:55.25mmaestriquatrox: yes
22:55.30quatroxTig|_: All devices has one btn, no?
22:55.48mmaestriwith a router between internet and my linux pc
22:55.49lindi-jonkristian: with bt headset?
22:55.51Tig|_but it may be adressed as many things
22:55.53quatroxmmaestri: and the linux pc can connect to internet?
22:56.18quatroxmmaestri: I can send you the script I use:)
22:56.34AntonTakkquatrox: i think a 4x10 layout similar to my htc herald could work nicely in landscape, if the keys were sized right spaced well
22:57.28AntonTakkno single character being more than two button presses
22:57.39Tig|_quatrox: they are trying to avoid hardcoding stuff to specific devices as really they are at a 1.0 stable stage
22:57.57Tig|_they are NOT at
22:58.15mmaestriquatrox: please...
22:58.29quatroxmmaestri: on the linux host: wget http://om.quatrox.org/om/fr_usb.sh
22:58.34mmaestriyes, i'm on that connection
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22:59.08jonkristianlindi-: this one, http://www.clasohlson.no/Product/Product.aspx?id=28982690
22:59.34jonkristianlindi-: with my akg headset i have pretty amazing sound quality.
22:59.43AntonTakkraster: sorry to bother, but would the illume kb layout rules allow for custom or dynamic key size/spacing?
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23:00.04jonkristiannow if i can just get this thing paired on the freerunner, i guess ill wait 'til debian is installed;)
23:00.55jonkristianlindi-: You can plug-in whatever into that dongle there, sorta like the one from SE
23:01.23rasterAntonTakk: can you be more detailed in what you want?
23:01.54sicuquatrox: mmaestri has both his FR and laptop in the same range / private subnet
23:02.11AntonTakkraster: like if the screen goes from vertical to landscape, could they keys perhaps space out a little more to take advantage of the extra width
23:02.14quatroxsicu: aha
23:02.44^wd^then better way - bridge usb0 and eth0
23:03.04quatroxor add an iptables rule for it
23:03.19^wd^ugly
23:03.26sicummaestri: if the script didn't work for you, try to have a look here and see what works for you: http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking
23:03.28^wd^but its way
23:03.50quatroxwell, bridge requires kernel support... not sure if he needs to recompile
23:04.10rasterAntonTakk: as such - no.
23:04.12quatroxiptables should be enabled by default
23:04.25rasteras keys are described relative to a virtual vkbd region
23:04.30rasterand on rotate there are 2 choices
23:04.38rasterkeep that region and scale to aspect ratio
23:04.43mmaestriroot@om-gta02 ~ $ ping google.com ping: bad address 'google.com' root@om-gta02 ~ $  
23:04.44rasteror expand it and use even more screne space
23:04.52rasterright nwo rotate handling has a few bugs anyway
23:05.15AntonTakkah, so that would require an option to break aspect ratio
23:05.17^wd^mmaestri, ofcouse if u cat route - u cant resolve
23:05.35^wd^s/cat/cant/
23:06.49AntonTakkraster: what about doing a layout specifically for landscape orientation? and just let it be nearly useless in portrate? is that possible?
23:08.03EtienneGI found an online repository that is still live for 2007.2 at buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2 ... is the guy operating it known to be reliable?
23:08.22quatroxmmaestri: did you try to adjust your netmask?
23:08.26mmaestri^wd^: still the same thing
23:08.48mmaestrino i didn't touched the netmask, i'm using the script now
23:08.53mmaestriand still nothing
23:08.56quatroxit will not work
23:08.57sicummaestri: still the same after bridging ?
23:09.30quatroxmmaestri: the script I sent you needs some adjustments
23:09.31AntonTakkwelp, night all
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23:09.54quatroxmmaestry: try bridging or adjust the netmask and routing table
23:10.08quatrox* mmaestri
23:10.57^wd^mmaestri, if u use same segment - why don change fr link to other?
23:11.32sicummaestri: if your default route out is eth0, then bridge eth0 and usb0 with --> brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eth0;brctl addif br0 usb0;ip l s br0 up  <--  Your freerunner would then appear on the LAN ‘directly’, be part of DHCP on the LAN
23:12.15^wd^and reconfigure br0 as was eth0 before
23:12.40^wd^u mayb lose inet for time
23:13.57mmaestri^wd^: i was thinking on change the fr - pc segment
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23:14.14^wd^on fr: ifconfig utf0:1 10.0.0.1 up
23:14.39^wd^on desk: ifconfig usb0 10.0.0.2 up
23:14.49^wd^s/utf/usb/ ofcouse :)
23:14.51kd8iktwow still having networking issues
23:14.56kd8iktmyg0t
23:15.20quatroxhmm
23:15.22mmaestrikd8ikt: blame it on the latest shr...others worked like a charm to me
23:16.04^wd^btw, about network... anyone tryed to bond eth0 usb0 and pneb0 ? :)
23:16.08Gromgullpython-opengl on the freerunner anyone?
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23:16.58kd8ikthm
23:17.09quatroxthis made me think that the FR should have an alias by default (usb0 and usb0:0) in a different sub net
23:17.13quatroxin the distro
23:17.49kd8ikti need to start partitioning my 2GB decisions decisions
23:17.51^wd^if it has terminal and vkeyb - no :)
23:18.12^wd^but it she good idea
23:18.19mmaestrii should go for a while now, when i come back i'll try your latest advices. hope it works...thanks everyone
23:18.27^wd^is is
23:18.56quatrox*it is*
23:18.59quatrox:P
23:19.02lindi-kd8ikt: 8M /boot and rest for /? ;)
23:19.38kd8iktswap be worth it?
23:19.39^wd^quatrox, mb and usb0:1 with dhclient on int when its up? :)
23:19.48^wd^on it
23:20.13^wd^so many beer :)
23:20.41lindi-kd8ikt: add swap file if you really need it later
23:21.15quatroxis there a graphical way to enable BT in SHR?
23:21.55lindi-quatrox: can't you just add a menu entry and then you have graphics?
23:22.10CIA-24freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf7a6730579ac 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (5 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: bring SINGLELINE and MUXED4LINE up to speed again
23:23.00quatroxlindi-: menu entry to what? You mean just write a simple script and create a menu link for it?
23:23.07quatroxsure
23:23.28lindi-quatrox: menu entry to enabling bt
23:23.37lindi-quatrox: doesn't even need a script
23:24.15quatroxhmm
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23:24.31^wd^i think need some usefull gui for any network config
23:25.22quatroxlindi-: I will look around... I am not sure how to do things without using scripts, but I think I figure it out
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23:26.40quatroxgrrrr
23:26.55^wd^quatrox, scripts under gui
23:27.13^wd^and configurable common configs
23:27.21^wd^by icons
23:27.30quatroxsounds nice
23:28.05quatroxwhen I woke up my fr from suspend, only half the screen size where used
23:28.25quatroxand it had a high freq. sound
23:28.27quatroxnot good
23:28.41mwesterAdd to the WSoD bug
23:29.29mwester#1841 -- sounds like it might be related (and important)
23:29.42^wd^wsod? sounds like in times whe be300 was everywere :)
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23:30.06mwesterWhite Screen of Death
23:30.21^wd^yeah yeah :)
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23:31.21^wd^be300 - it was very hackable cassiopea on wince
23:31.23CIA-24freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5bef0c8608b1 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): cosmetics
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23:36.31CIA-24openmoko: 03werner * r4827 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/experiment-s3cmci-suspend-softly.patch:
23:36.31CIA-24openmoko: Surprise, readl is not good at setting registers.
23:36.31CIA-24openmoko: Also disable interrupts during surgery.
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23:42.24dentsigh... I did an update on SHR
23:42.38dentand it seems ho have broken all that worked
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23:46.03dentalso the update changed the shelf clock and battery gadgets into something ugly (imho, that is)
23:46.22dentis there any way (apart from downgrade) to get those old battery and clock gadgets back?
23:50.13GromgullCan someone tell me what git branch to use with the MokoMakefile to match the testing packages?
23:50.55jonkristianlindi-: :)
23:52.21quatroxhmm... stupid question: I can view a ticket and I can create a new one... but I cannot figure out how to add something to one that already exists....
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