IRC log for #openmoko on 20081125

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`00:07.04`	`jonkristian`	`:/`
`00:07.24`	`rooly`	`sighs`
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`00:07.40`	`rooly`	`i can't choose between bluetooth support or a decent contacts browser`
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`00:20.03`	`lindi-`	`rooly: for what? ;)`
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`00:24.11`	`rooly`	`for qte, lindi-`
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`00:34.54`	`jonkristian`	`Oueep`
`00:38.39`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r42c560495a7a 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: improve result for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetFeatures()`
`00:38.40`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r251269341099 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/ (mediator.py modem.py): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] create the MiscChannel on /dev/mux6 for now`
`00:38.41`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rd2cc665ea0fb 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.GetFeatures() done`
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`00:49.48`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r2cf0eec4c9c4 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.[Get\|Set]AntennaPower done`
`00:50.03`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8efae2ed1ae9 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'`
`00:50.31`	`ptitjes`	`time to sleep ! bye!`
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`00:58.09`	`linuxxr`	`pong`
`00:58.27`	`alx_`	`ping`
`00:58.29`	`alx_`	`:D`
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`00:59.53`	`linuxxr`	`i can just see it now`
`01:00.39`	`alx_`	`?`
`01:00.56`	`linuxxr`	`thanksgiving turkey pops out the oven at 12:30 pm an at 1237 the release of 2008.11`
`01:01.23`	`alx_`	`does anyone know where to buy anothe flat debug cable and another connector (like the one on the debug board) ?`
`01:04.31`	`linuxxr`	`slackware 13`
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`01:10.20`	`linuxxr`	`toodays shr?`
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`01:43.09`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4821 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/experiment-s3cmci-suspend-softly.patch:`
`01:43.09`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: * WORK IN PROGRESS. DOESN'T DO ANYTHING USEFUL YET. *`
`01:43.09`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: Try to restore S3C MCI state such that Atheros module can be kept up`
`01:43.09`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: and running during suspend.`
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`01:51.22`	`linuxxr`	`they did it`
`01:51.40`	`linuxxr`	`shr fixed numptyphysics`
`01:53.26`	`sicu`	`there was never anything wrong with it, was there ?`
`01:54.01`	`gurugentoo`	`didn't work for me initially, one of the updates fixed it, perhaps unintentionally`
`01:54.25`	`sicu`	`probably an update upstream ...`
`01:54.43`	`sicu`	`all you had to do really was: opkg install libpng3 .... a missing dependancy`
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`01:55.17`	`linuxxr`	`today is the first shr numpty game for me in two weeks`
`01:55.22`	`sicu`	`=]`
`01:55.25`	`sicu`	`have fun`
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`02:00.39`	`linuxxr`	`no more big green battery`
`02:00.56`	`linuxxr`	`i thought it was a cool battery`
`02:01.17`	`Dave`	`:P`
`02:01.25`	`Dave`	`good riddance`
`02:02.04`	`gurugentoo`	`I still see the green battery after a update/upgrade...when was it changed?`
`02:02.56`	`linuxxr`	`well i did the opkg upgrade yesterday`
`02:02.59`	`Dave`	`When what where how?`
`02:03.48`	`linuxxr`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:04.02`	`linuxxr`	`thats odd`
`02:05.06`	`linuxxr`	`how--- thats me`
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`02:09.45`	`sicu`	`you need to opkg remove [some file or other] and opkg update and opkg install [some file or other] for the theme changes to take effect`
`02:10.35`	`sicu`	`i might be more help if i remembered what exactly, but i'm tired, and now at least you know .... ;p`
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`02:13.24`	`sicu`	`could be opkg remove shr-theme and shr-settings`
`02:13.33`	`sicu`	`not sure though`
`02:13.39`	`sicu`	`^ gurugentoo`
`02:20.56`	`gurugentoo`	`sicu: aha, thx`
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`03:04.29`	`white_gecko`	`is there something like "apt-file search" for opkg?`
`03:04.59`	`white_gecko`	`or maybe a online search tool to find packages containing a file?`
`03:05.08`	`white_gecko`	`i need "gnome-vfs.h" in an opkg`
`03:09.48`	`rooly`	`white_gecko: opkg list \| grep "bla"`
`03:10.02`	`rooly`	`oh, nvm`
`03:10.09`	`white_gecko`	`no`
`03:10.18`	`white_gecko`	`this is only for packagenames`
`03:10.37`	`white_gecko`	`i need the files in the packages`
`03:11.01`	`white_gecko`	`in not installed packages!`
`03:11.21`	`Dave`	`:D`
`03:18.42`	`kd8ikt`	`woonders why you would need a header file`
`03:19.03`	`white_gecko`	`i need it to compile a programm`
`03:19.09`	`white_gecko`	`in the toolchain`
`03:19.15`	`kd8ikt`	`on the phone?`
`03:19.21`	`white_gecko`	`on my pc`
`03:19.33`	`kd8ikt`	`oh`
`03:19.40`	`kd8ikt`	`well i still wouldnt know`
`03:20.06`	`white_gecko`	`i have the original sources of the programm`
`03:20.24`	`white_gecko`	`but i don't know where to put it in the toolchain`
`03:20.29`	`white_gecko`	`so i thougt a opkg would be the best`
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`03:31.30`	`cyphunk`	`question, anyone know if the data input output port is exposed to the SDK?`
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`03:35.02`	`raster`	`?`
`03:35.12`	`raster`	`data input output port?`
`03:35.21`	`Dave`	`:D`
`03:35.25`	`Dave`	`sounds cool`
`03:37.17`	`cyphunk`	`Dave: wait, is this the room for the openmoko cell phone?`
`03:37.27`	`cyphunk`	`err, or raster`
`03:37.42`	`raster`	`yes`
`03:38.09`	`cyphunk`	`hmm, guess i shouldnt make an assumption`
`03:39.03`	`cyphunk`	`wait, says it has a "Input and Output" port`
`03:39.31`	`raster`	`what do you mean "oinput and output port"`
`03:39.34`	`raster`	`do you even have one?`
`03:39.43`	`raster`	`have you even set up openembedded?`
`03:39.51`	`raster`	`in fact.. have you ever used linux`
`03:39.53`	`raster`	`or developed for it?`
`03:39.55`	`raster`	`:)`
`03:40.58`	`Dave`	`rastermoko?`
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`03:41.18`	`raster`	`yo momma moko`
`03:41.50`	`Dave`	`:D`
`03:42.10`	`cyphunk`	`raster: i dont have one. im asking about data io in relation to a project wher eI would like to plug up an external device to control. yes, ive developed on open embedded (dreambox crap)`
`03:43.33`	`raster`	`then what would you consider the "input output port" to be?`
`03:43.44`	`raster`	`SPI lines you solder onto`
`03:43.49`	`raster`	`the jtag debug cable plug`
`03:44.02`	`raster`	`the usb connector ()that works both as host and gadget)`
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`03:44.16`	`raster`	`err`
`03:44.17`	`raster`	`sorry`
`03:44.19`	`raster`	`not SPI`
`03:44.21`	`raster`	`i meant i2c`
`03:44.22`	`raster`	`:)`
`03:44.44`	`Dave`	`silly raster!`
`03:45.04`	`cyphunk`	`raster: is libusb on the device? no if there are i2c interfaces/libs?`
`03:45.45`	`raster`	`its an open device`
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`03:45.51`	`raster`	`you can put anything on it you like`
`03:46.04`	`raster`	`multiple distributions run on it and are available`
`03:46.20`	`raster`	`from debian through to several openembedded based distros`
`03:46.25`	`raster`	`so it will vary`
`03:46.28`	`cyphunk`	`cool`
`03:46.29`	`cyphunk`	`thanks`
`03:46.30`	`raster`	`you can always compile it and use it`
`03:46.37`	`cyphunk`	`yeup`
`03:46.51`	`raster`	`dont think like its a closed device you have to squeeze into its dictated development model`
`03:46.59`	`raster`	`and restrictions`
`03:47.50`	`cyphunk`	`yeah, first mistake was assuming there would be an "sdk". i didnt realize that openembedded ran on it`
`03:49.08`	`raster`	`aaah!`
`03:49.27`	`raster`	`thus why i was wondering how much you knew when the questions you asked didnt make much sense`
`03:49.28`	`raster`	`:)`
`03:50.08`	`cyphunk`	`raster: well info on the hardware that is exposed helps too. thanks`
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`03:51.15`	`raster`	`all of it is public and documented`
`03:51.23`	`raster`	`EXCEPT wifi internals`
`03:51.32`	`raster`	`u'll have to read the wifi driver and guess from its generated code`
`03:51.40`	`raster`	`and gfx chip (glamo) same there`
`03:51.44`	`raster`	`docs are not open`
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`03:52.04`	`raster`	`but code that does accelerate stuff is open - u'd have to read the code to find out`
`03:53.42`	`cyphunk`	`raster: anyone attempted to add external displays? or lcd that uses a framebuff of the device?`
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`03:59.05`	`raster`	`you wont have much luck there`
`03:59.13`	`raster`	`lcd is plugged into the gfx chip`
`03:59.22`	`raster`	`no e4xternal display plug/connector`
`03:59.40`	`raster`	`the device has the framebuffer on-board`
`04:01.16`	`cyphunk`	`so, im not sure how, but im curious if it would be possible to use one of the other busses to "glue" logic to support either a cheap lcd in software (Speed isnt important) or by adding additional hardware to control another lcd which gets data over i2c, serial, something like that`
`04:01.19`	`cyphunk`	`sound stupid?`
`04:01.43`	`raster`	`yes :)`
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`04:01.54`	`cyphunk`	`aight`
`04:02.14`	`raster`	`you have an lcd already there`
`04:02.20`	`raster`	`adding more will be painful`
`04:02.32`	`raster`	`also refreshes are bandwidth-heavy`
`04:02.57`	`raster`	`and u'll need hardware that scans the "framebuffer" and refreshes most likely`
`04:02.58`	`cyphunk`	`yeah, refresh rate can be once an hour, not an issue for what i want to do`
`04:03.15`	`raster`	`oh so its some primitive low-res text lcd`
`04:03.16`	`raster`	`or something`
`04:03.35`	`cyphunk`	`yeah, or oled`
`04:03.38`	`cyphunk`	`something small though`
`04:03.54`	`raster`	`u might be able to use the i2c lines`
`04:04.07`	`raster`	`somewhere on the board u should be able to find them and solder something on`
`04:04.36`	`cyphunk`	`now i just have to wrap my brain around it all, get it and try it :]`
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`04:05.58`	`raster`	`others have hooked up boats and other rc toys to it and control servos/motors from it`
`04:06.03`	`raster`	`so its possible`
`04:06.42`	`cyphunk`	`aah, hacker friendly devices :)`
`04:06.57`	`cyphunk`	`joy joy`
`04:07.25`	`raster`	`yes`
`04:07.27`	`raster`	`again`
`04:07.31`	`raster`	`thats why i was confused by your q's`
`04:07.45`	`raster`	`as they only woudl make sense if u were tyring to hack some "closed" device`
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`04:08.29`	`cyphunk`	`yeah this is the first time im taking a decent look at openmoko. and, its encouraging`
`04:08.51`	`Dave`	`hah! :)`
`04:09.21`	`slaxxin`	`maybe if u talk glamo into helping`
`04:11.12`	`cyphunk`	`have roh's card somewhere around here. might badger him with questions if i get serious :]`
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`04:49.49`	`DocScrutinizer`	`duh, silent world`
`04:49.56`	`rooly`	`sighs`
`04:50.03`	`rooly`	`simply can't live without mah bluetooth`
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`04:50.11`	`rooly`	`and resume on phone calls`
`04:50.14`	`DocScrutinizer`	`:-) life out there`
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`04:50.24`	`rooly`	`gawd i wish they woulda stayed with 2007.11`
`04:50.24`	`kd8ikt`	`3way calling would be nice`
`04:50.48`	`slaxxin`	`yes`
`04:51.06`	`rooly`	`so...i'm flashing back to qte 4.4.1`
`04:51.10`	`rooly`	`ccan't live without mah bluetooth`
`04:51.19`	`slaxxin`	`all the features plus some more good ones`
`04:51.46`	`slaxxin`	`bluetooth worked in 4.4.2 for me`
`04:51.46`	`kd8ikt`	`what do you use bluetooth for? headset?`
`04:52.18`	`slaxxin`	`just files though`
`04:52.33`	`kd8ikt`	`obex`
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`04:52.50`	`kd8ikt`	`i think ip over bluetooth is much more interestinbg`
`04:52.55`	`rooly`	`kd8ikt: nah, mostly media stuffs`
`04:53.14`	`rooly`	`slaxxin: really? i have zero access to BT`
`04:53.17`	`slaxxin`	`regression in progress`
`04:53.43`	`kd8ikt`	`or gps bluetooth profile for another device/phone to use the freerunner's bt`
`04:53.50`	`slaxxin`	`it worked while in range of ab htc touch`
`04:54.09`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:54.44`	`mwester`	`is running tcp/ip over bluetooth, bridged to his home network .`
`04:54.49`	`rooly`	`doesn't have a headset capable of working with my phone for some reason`
`04:54.57`	`rooly`	`has anyone compiled a list of working headsets?`
`04:56.38`	`kd8ikt`	`i'd think any/all headsets would work`
`04:56.38`	`slaxxin`	`mwesters the man`
`04:56.38`	`kd8ikt`	`if you set it up right`
`04:56.38`	`rooly`	`me too...but my 520plantronics doesn't`
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`04:57.27`	`slaxxin`	`rooly u got bt turned on lolol`
`04:57.38`	`rooly`	`yes, i do`
`04:57.38`	`kd8ikt`	`isnt that called plbkac`
`04:57.39`	`rooly`	`goose`
`04:58.12`	`rooly`	`it syncs up just fine`
`04:58.19`	`rooly`	`but no sound forwards`
`04:58.21`	`rooly`	`no idea why`
`04:58.22`	`slaxxin`	`i need a new image`
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`05:11.58`	`Torikun`	`How is the latest 200810`
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`05:13.27`	`slaxxin`	`shrn`
`05:13.52`	`slaxxin`	`not sure anything is going on there`
`05:14.04`	`slaxxin`	`maybe testing`
`05:14.20`	`Torikun`	`so still Qtopia is the best?`
`05:14.22`	`slaxxin`	`i think i saw a fastboot somewhere`
`05:14.36`	`slaxxin`	`yea`
`05:14.56`	`rooly`	`well`
`05:15.08`	`slaxxin`	`which u think rooly`
`05:15.19`	`rooly`	`qtopia is still the best because somebody way up top decided that 2007.x wasn't worth wasting time on`
`05:15.42`	`Torikun`	`200810 was supposed to be awesome I heard`
`05:15.45`	`rooly`	`mourns his lost distro`
`05:16.11`	`rooly`	`2008.10 is just 2 months more of asu`
`05:16.20`	`slaxxin`	`2008.11`
`05:16.27`	`slaxxin`	`we wait`
`05:16.46`	`Torikun`	`what will be goog about 2008.11`
`05:17.14`	`rooly`	`erm...maybe they will finally have wifi working`
`05:17.20`	`Torikun`	`and a decent kb?`
`05:17.21`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`05:17.46`	`slaxxin`	`yea like the one on the htc touch`
`05:17.55`	`Torikun`	`http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?p=246 <-- I want to convert my app to the Openmok`
`05:18.31`	`slaxxin`	`yay`
`05:18.49`	`Dave`	`TORIKUN`
`05:18.54`	`Torikun`	`Dave!`
`05:19.25`	`slaxxin`	`LAST.fm`
`05:19.26`	`Torikun`	`Dave: Port this http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?p=246`
`05:19.27`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`05:19.48`	`rooly`	`Torikun: port it to c or cpp first`
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`05:19.54`	`rooly`	`then i'll talk`
`05:20.05`	`Dave`	`:D`
`05:20.06`	`Torikun`	`is there a java to c convertor?`
`05:20.10`	`rooly`	`phhtttt`
`05:20.13`	`rooly`	`...maybe...`
`05:21.22`	`rooly`	`but`
`05:21.38`	`rooly`	`you should just make your app depend on the java runtimes already available`
`05:21.45`	`rooly`	`make sure they work on that and you should be fine`
`05:22.06`	`Torikun`	`I would test it but i am on QT`
`05:22.38`	`Torikun`	`If I had Android,,,,`
`05:22.52`	`rooly`	`then you'd have shit for battery life and no keyboard`
`05:22.58`	`rooly`	`and a basically broken phone`
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`05:30.49`	`Dave`	`Take that, McNeil!`
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`05:43.50`	`slaxxin`	`anybody tried the om testing?`
`05:44.51`	`slaxxin`	`i mean daily`
`05:49.11`	`rooly`	`god i hate the ##c++ people`
`05:49.13`	`rooly`	`no help at all`
`05:51.33`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03tick * r4822 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_download.c:`
`05:51.33`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: opkg: only cache the packages`
`05:51.33`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: thanks Werner.`
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`05:54.43`	`Dave`	`Sargun.`
`05:54.50`	`Sargun`	`DAVE!`
`05:59.59`	`Dave`	`\o/`
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`06:47.40`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: frameworkd.odeviced.input catch up: Change g_object_add_seconds to g_object_add for accuracy`
`06:47.40`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: sync vapi`
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`08:15.32`	`Hopscotch`	`good morning`
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`08:22.37`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03tick * r4823 10/developers/tick/scripts/sshn: A lazier script that help user to ssh in Neo`
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`09:54.28`	`methril`	`morning`
`09:56.04`	`mani\|work`	`hi^^`
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`10:49.58`	`zerghase`	`Hi`
`10:52.20`	`zerghase`	`Anybody knows what happened to the android image from seanmcneil? There hasn't been an update for two weeks...`
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`10:58.08`	`ajuonline`	`boom`
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`11:03.14`	`ajuonline`	`how do I get the FR to use as a GSM modem?`
`11:03.20`	`ajuonline`	`someone said its called tethering`
`11:03.21`	`ajuonline`	`?`
`11:04.02`	`lindi-`	`ajuonline: ?`
`11:07.00`	`ajuonline`	`lindi-: access the phone via the command line?`
`11:07.05`	`ajuonline`	`i mean as a gsm modem`
`11:07.24`	`ajuonline`	`so that i can use something like minicom to fire up AT commands?`
`11:09.54`	`kd8ikt`	`GPRS?`
`11:10.54`	`kd8ikt`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS`
`11:13.32`	`kd8ikt`	`then you can go about sharing that connection via http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Tethering firewall setting etc`
`11:18.03`	`kd8ikt`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO`
`11:18.20`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r54810d892c71 10/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: add override ${PN} to RPROVIDES`
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`11:21.18`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r2fd370d1f5a0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: mokoko: Bump up mokoko to 127`
`11:21.19`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r361522fe7ecc 10/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev`
`11:27.25`	`lindi-`	`ajuonline: socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl,b115200`
`11:28.55`	`kd8ikt`	`hey... lets make a wardialer`
`11:29.03`	`kd8ikt`	`or port iwar`
`11:29.08`	`kd8ikt`	`heh`
`11:29.18`	`kd8ikt`	`more for the novelty aspect of it`
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`11:31.34`	`kd8ikt`	`then again every wardialer i've played with only could tell if it was a modem or not, be neat to play a prerecorded file as a fallback (are you prepared for jehovahs return?) and record any feedback ;) might prove humorus`
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`12:08.33`	`kd8ikt`	`linmodem`
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`12:16.01`	`kd8ikt`	`AuDSL`
`12:17.00`	`kd8ikt`	`uknow what i mean?`
`12:19.03`	`Wonka`	`no`
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`12:19.12`	`kd8ikt`	`software DSP modem like soundmodem`
`12:19.58`	`Wonka`	`you do know that ADSL2+ uses frequencies up to several MHz?`
`12:20.17`	`Wonka`	`the calculations are no easy job for general-purpose processors`
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`12:20.30`	`Wonka`	`you _need_ DSPs for that`
`12:21.28`	`Wonka`	`in "analog" softmodems, you can just match against every symbol that could possibly occur and take the most probable`
`12:21.59`	`Wonka`	`with DSL, you first need to find hardware that samples fast enough`
`12:23.01`	`kd8ikt`	`non dsl/isdn`
`12:24.12`	`kd8ikt`	`whatabout say a 14.4kbps old school modem`
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`12:24.56`	`Wonka`	`with "analog softmodem", i meant up to 56k`
`12:25.16`	`kd8ikt`	`possible?`
`12:25.37`	`Wonka`	`it is done. there are drivers doing that. have been for years.`
`12:25.41`	`Wonka`	`closed-source though`
`12:25.59`	`kd8ikt`	`isnt that what linmodem does?`
`12:26.03`	`Wonka`	`exactly.`
`12:26.12`	`Wonka`	`but linmodem does not reach 56k, nor?`
`12:26.29`	`kd8ikt`	`it doesnt have to be lightning fast`
`12:26.48`	`kd8ikt`	`doesnt even have to work`
`12:27.20`	`kd8ikt`	`hell just a basic "does it sound like a modem handshake?" ok thats good enough`
`12:27.41`	`kd8ikt`	`could probably acomplish that without all that bull`
`12:27.50`	`Wonka`	`that should be quite easy`
`12:28.00`	`Wonka`	`maybe not on the FR...`
`12:28.08`	`kd8ikt`	`but still would be neat to have 2 of our phones tcp/ip via a software modem`
`12:28.16`	`KenSentMe`	`Does anyone know if there's a rootfs image available for running Android on the freerunner?`
`12:28.42`	`kd8ikt`	`i have a copy around here somewhere if you really want it that bad`
`12:28.44`	`Wonka`	`kd8ikt: what for, if you can easily establish data calls?`
`12:28.54`	`kd8ikt`	`nostalgia`
`12:29.25`	`kd8ikt`	`i think i was born a decade too late`
`12:29.53`	`KenSentMe`	`kd8ikt, i guess you were not talking about the android image?`
`12:30.13`	`kd8ikt`	`yes i have an old android image`
`12:30.25`	`KenSentMe`	`kd8ikt, cool, could i download it somewhere?`
`12:30.31`	`zerghase`	`I also have the old one`
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`12:30.43`	`kd8ikt`	`just checkout the youtube video's`
`12:30.55`	`kd8ikt`	`you dont want to install it`
`12:31.03`	`kd8ikt`	`not yet atleast`
`12:31.10`	`KenSentMe`	`I already did once, i know the state`
`12:31.10`	`zerghase`	`I like it`
`12:31.22`	`kd8ikt`	`dont you have a backup?`
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`12:31.49`	`KenSentMe`	`No, forgot to save the image`
`12:32.24`	`kd8ikt`	`so you dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/android.jffs ? is that even possible?`
`12:32.50`	`kd8ikt`	`what'dya do delete it as soon as you flash it?`
`12:33.05`	`kd8ikt`	`pardon me but that's just a bit retarded`
`12:33.15`	`KenSentMe`	`kd8ikt, i dont know what i did, all i know is i dont have it anymore`
`12:33.33`	`KenSentMe`	`I got qt-extended, om.2008.8 and 2008.9, but not android`
`12:34.11`	`zerghase`	`http://141.84.121.143/androidfs.jffs2`
`12:34.16`	`kd8ikt`	`find / \|grep android`
`12:34.35`	`kd8ikt`	`also here http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/`
`12:34.42`	`Ainulindale`	`kd8ikt: hey there`
`12:34.50`	`kd8ikt`	`morning`
`12:34.55`	`KenSentMe`	`zerghase, link doesnt work`
`12:34.56`	`kd8ikt`	`nice topic there`
`12:34.58`	`KenSentMe`	`kd8ikt, thanks`
`12:35.23`	`Ainulindale`	`kd8ikt: OpenEmbedded drove me mad, had too much problems with latest images. I restarted from scratch and I'll be delivering SHR images tonight hopefully (don't know if you followed)`
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`12:36.03`	`kd8ikt`	`ugh ok sounds good i'm actually still using that old image a few days ago when we rapped`
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`12:36.18`	`kd8ikt`	`everything seems to be working just fine`
`12:36.24`	`Ainulindale`	`Cool :-)`
`12:36.48`	`kd8ikt`	`i mean the ----^ topic`
`12:36.58`	`kd8ikt`	`or is that in #openmoko-cdevel`
`12:37.04`	`Ainulindale`	`Yes it is`
`12:37.10`	`kd8ikt`	`:D`
`12:37.17`	`kd8ikt`	`8===D`
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`12:37.45`	`kd8ikt`	`hey KenSentMe how slows the download going?`
`12:38.04`	`KenSentMe`	`35 KB/sec`
`12:38.12`	`kd8ikt`	`beware we.trekbeyond.org is hosted off my dsl modem`
`12:38.28`	`zerghase`	`http://www.die-informatiker.eu/zerghase/androidfs.jffs2`
`12:38.31`	`KenSentMe`	`But that could also be due to the connection available here`
`12:38.34`	`zerghase`	`This should work ^^`
`12:38.49`	`Ainulindale`	`kd8ikt: enlarge your ascii :-)`
`12:39.10`	`KenSentMe`	`Downloading zerghase's file now, thanks`
`12:39.12`	`kd8ikt`	`how do i do that`
`12:39.34`	`kd8ikt`	`looks fine to me`
`12:40.02`	`kd8ikt`	`i thnk youre just picky`
`12:41.13`	`kd8ikt`	`i am going to make a ghetto wrdialer if it kills me`
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`12:42.09`	`kd8ikt`	`i guess i'll drop all the modulating modem crap and just something that randomly calls people`
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`12:42.37`	`kd8ikt`	`and records a few seconds of the transaction`
`12:42.58`	`Zoup`	`do you have the issue of gsm to not work after a while ?`
`12:42.59`	`kd8ikt`	`"hello? hello?!? sonofa.. >click<`
`12:44.51`	`kd8ikt`	`i crack myself up`
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`12:53.10`	`kd8ikt`	`come to think of it it shouldnt be too hard to make it what with python and fso's dbus readily codable`
`12:55.42`	`kd8ikt`	`like a reverse random voicemail, have it randomly dial someone every say 30min of inactivity, play a stupid sndbyte and record comments maybe even get people calling me back like wtf!? why'd you call me? ugh... i dunno i hink my phones been hax0red`
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`13:11.39`	`N-Mi`	`does anyone here use RSS stream from planet.openmoko.org ?`
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`13:13.00`	`damkor`	`hi`
`13:13.06`	`damkor`	`I'm testing debian on the FR`
`13:13.15`	`damkor`	`it boots properly`
`13:13.29`	`damkor`	`but all I see are four big numbers on the screen`
`13:13.56`	`damkor`	`I mean, I can see the panel, the time, a background image with a phone, sms, etc`
`13:14.18`	`damkor`	`but I'm stuck in a screen with four big squares, each of which has a number inside`
`13:14.20`	`gromez`	`damkor: it's the lock screen of zhone (the 4 numbers)`
`13:14.26`	`damkor`	`(from 1-4)`
`13:14.32`	`damkor`	`I see`
`13:14.37`	`damkor`	`what should I type?`
`13:14.45`	`gromez`	`1 - 2 - 3 - 4 ...`
`13:14.49`	`damkor`	`I see`
`13:14.57`	`damkor`	`didn't even think about a lock screen`
`13:14.59`	`damkor`	`cheers`
`13:15.02`	`gromez`	`:)`
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`13:16.11`	`damkor`	`hmm, there's something weird now :(`
`13:16.30`	`damkor`	`I can only enter 4 of the 6 "sections"`
`13:16.56`	`kd8ikt`	`heh`
`13:16.59`	`damkor`	`meaning GPS and profile config`
`13:17.18`	`damkor`	`I cannot make phone call,s not sms, contacts OR date`
`13:17.32`	`kd8ikt`	`be neat to change the lockscreen to a password`
`13:17.44`	`damkor`	`yeap`
`13:17.58`	`damkor`	`I'm actually pretty concerned about security in openmoko`
`13:18.28`	`damkor`	`I mean, with bluetooth, wifi,... I'm not sure I should store sensible data on it`
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`13:19.09`	`kd8ikt`	`i dont think anyone wants your grandma's number`
`13:19.09`	`damkor`	`I think some crypto-related hardware module could be great, so that one can use a crypted filesystem`
`13:19.30`	`kd8ikt`	`overhead on encrypted fs's sucks`
`13:19.30`	`damkor`	`:)) I do not consider that sensible data`
`13:20.09`	`kd8ikt`	`or your sms conversation with your girlyfriend`
`13:20.09`	`damkor`	`I guess if everything done by software, then it actually sucks`
`13:20.53`	`kd8ikt`	`i've used dm-crypt on my main server box`
`13:21.15`	`kd8ikt`	`and its great but still performance sucks`
`13:21.45`	`Fougner`	`hey hey heeeeey! =D`
`13:21.54`	`kd8ikt`	`like take the normal time to copy a file and double it`
`13:22.08`	`Fougner`	`why encrypt? =D`
`13:22.09`	`kd8ikt`	`that would also translate in fs reads`
`13:22.38`	`kd8ikt`	`needs to load a lib it'd take that much longer on an encrypted filesystem`
`13:22.52`	`Fougner`	`I just take a microsoft machine and place it somewhere one the network, to act trashcan, being polluted by viruses and stuff =D`
`13:23.52`	`kd8ikt`	`waste of electricity and a good linuxable machine`
`13:24.05`	`Fougner`	`kd8ikt, not at all ;)`
`13:24.26`	`Fougner`	`it's the computer for the rest if my family =D`
`13:24.29`	`Fougner`	`of*`
`13:24.35`	`kd8ikt`	`oh`
`13:24.37`	`Fougner`	`hahah`
`13:24.44`	`Fougner`	`just kidding`
`13:25.13`	`Fougner`	`the family have a windows computer, but I'm not using it as trashcan`
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`13:25.37`	`Fougner`	`i've got Ubuntu server edition on my server, is that good? ^.^`
`13:25.48`	`kd8ikt`	`not really`
`13:25.54`	`Fougner`	`aw crap =(`
`13:25.56`	`Fougner`	`why?`
`13:25.58`	`Fougner`	`not*`
`13:26.30`	`kd8ikt`	`why would you care what i think?`
`13:26.47`	`Fougner`	`cause I'm a noob and always listen to others =)`
`13:26.55`	`kd8ikt`	`bah`
`13:26.57`	`henk`	`ubuntu? server? doesn't match...`
`13:27.01`	`dolf1074`	`Fougner: fair enought ;)`
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`13:27.28`	`kd8ikt`	`i'm SO TIRED`
`13:27.28`	`Fougner`	`then if I actually do what they say, that's not the same thing as listening`
`13:27.53`	`kd8ikt`	`up allnight and yup i think i see the sun comming up`
`13:28.05`	`Fougner`	`kd8ikt->sleep(10006060*12)`
`13:28.19`	`henk`	`Fougner: do you understand german?`
`13:28.22`	`Fougner`	`debian then? =D`
`13:28.37`	`Fougner`	`henk, uuhm, nope`
`13:28.45`	`Fougner`	`maybe a few words`
`13:28.48`	`Fougner`	`how so?`
`13:29.19`	`henk`	`Fougner: ah a pity... i'd have had a nice blog entry about 'real linux and freetime-linux' concerning ubuntu for you...`
`13:29.27`	`kd8ikt`	`someone want to code up my auto dialer while i catch some Zzz`
`13:29.43`	`Fougner`	`henk, translate it? =)`
`13:29.50`	`Fougner`	`link please =)`
`13:30.31`	`kd8ikt`	`goatse.`
`13:30.42`	`henk`	`Fougner: http://burnachurch.com/62/richtiges-linux-und-freizeit-linux/ you can give it a try, but i don't want to see the results really...`
`13:30.52`	`Fougner`	`hahaha`
`13:31.02`	`Fougner`	`okay, thanks, wish me good luck`
`13:31.23`	`kd8ikt`	`burn a church omg`
`13:32.04`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rec0f5644649a 10framework/tests/ (3 files): tests: start with org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.*`
`13:32.59`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r106197af4153 10framework/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)`
`13:32.59`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: odeviced: fix a couple of problems in the Audio problem and support new features`
`13:32.59`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: such as a loop parameter and an optional length override (time in seconds).`
`13:32.59`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Some codecs (i.e. machine emulators such as siddec) can not find out`
`13:33.00`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: when a song ends, hence it will play forever until you stop it (or give`
`13:33.02`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: it a length override, which is now possible).`
`13:33.04`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: WARNING: API breakage in org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.PlaySound()`
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`13:37.03`	`Fougner`	`haah`
`13:37.16`	`Fougner`	`henk, it's "readable" but quite hard to understand sometimes`
`13:38.12`	`henk`	`ah good... the first part at least.`
`13:38.14`	`Fougner`	`feels like reading a swedish immigrant's text ^^`
`13:38.18`	`henk`	`lol`
`13:40.15`	`kd8ikt`	`hwhats Wartungsfreundlichkeit`
`13:40.32`	`kd8ikt`	`it looks like slang`
`13:40.50`	`henk`	`'maintainance friendlyness' would be the word by word translation.`
`13:41.01`	`kd8ikt`	`oh`
`13:41.16`	`henk`	`don't know of a proper english term if that isn't one... meaning: not difficult to maintain`
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`13:41.54`	`kd8ikt`	`idiot proof`
`13:41.57`	`kd8ikt`	`?`
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`13:42.38`	`henk`	`'idiotensicher' = 'fool proof' (probably)`
`13:43.21`	`kd8ikt`	`i'm using debian... cause i've gotten lazy, i'd always break gentoo after soo long`
`13:43.30`	`Razzeal`	`What bluetooth headset would be recommended to use with the Freerunner, I have been looking at the Jabra BT2015 but no information could really be found on the supported info...`
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`13:48.23`	`Razzeal`	`anyone know a good tutorial on using the freerunner as an mp3player?`
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`13:49.23`	`Fougner`	`Razzeal, I've tried to use it as an mp3-player =D`
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`13:50.14`	`Fougner`	`no success though..`
`13:51.00`	`Razzeal`	`to bad`
`13:51.24`	`Fougner`	`try SHR`
`13:51.43`	`Fougner`	`http://shr.bearstech.com/`
`13:52.31`	`Fougner`	`it has "starling".. the one I've got working "out of the box" with autoswitching between stereo headset and built in speaker`
`13:52.38`	`Fougner`	`Razzeal, above`
`13:53.22`	`Fougner`	`henk, I think I get your point`
`13:53.38`	`Razzeal`	`thx`
`13:53.41`	`henk`	`Fougner: http://www.dunkelangst.org/2008/09/23/und-tschus-ubuntu/ another article, perhaps a bit better translatable than the first one.`
`13:53.54`	`henk`	`the comments are interesting too`
`13:53.58`	`Fougner`	`"ubuntu is a cheap debian hot-up with worsen security"=D`
`13:54.30`	`Razzeal`	`thx Fougner, I'll try that :D`
`13:54.52`	`henk`	`Fougner: the second article adds 'unsocial' and some other negative attributes 'g'`
`13:55.26`	`Fougner`	`unsocial?`
`13:55.29`	`Fougner`	`hum`
`13:55.29`	`Fougner`	`well`
`13:56.38`	`Fougner`	`as I said I'm a noob, but I'm happy with Ubuntu as desktop and sever =)`
`13:56.56`	`Fougner`	`but Debian is nice too.. had it before, on my old servers`
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`13:57.25`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rf850e8f58d51 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.PlaySound: don't crash if extension is missing in filename`
`13:57.26`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r27decb3697a1 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: fix error namespace for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio`
`13:57.26`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r36477359ea2c 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.Device.py: odeviced: start with tests for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio()`
`13:57.31`	`henk`	`Fougner: of course debian is nice. it's the basis of ubuntu... and ubuntu is basically nice, but it sucks pretty much in the details.`
`13:57.44`	`Fougner`	`haha`
`13:58.06`	`Fougner`	`which details ? I'd be happy to hear about it`
`13:58.26`	`henk`	`Fougner: try translating that second article...`
`13:58.32`	`Fougner`	`oh =(`
`13:58.37`	`Fougner`	`hah`
`13:58.39`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfa7d656bd195 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs):`
`13:58.39`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'`
`13:58.39`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: Conflicts:`
`13:58.39`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py`
`13:58.49`	`Fougner`	`I'm tired reading of immigrants swedish`
`13:58.59`	`henk`	`i'm happy to clarify any errors in the translation, but don't have the time to summarize the complete article, sorry...`
`13:59.05`	`Fougner`	`hehe`
`13:59.20`	`Fougner`	`I know that Ubuntu has "newer" packages`
`13:59.30`	`Fougner`	`released by a later date`
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`13:59.53`	`effbiai`	`is there a SHR channel?`
`13:59.56`	`Fougner`	`also they sometimes are classified as "testing" or something`
`14:00.16`	`henk`	`Fougner: that's because debian has a pretty tight definition of what 'stable' actually means...`
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`14:00.23`	`Ainulindale`	`effbiai: no, there's a devel channel`
`14:00.37`	`effbiai`	`Ainulindale: openmoko-cdevel?`
`14:00.39`	`henk`	`or ubuntu doesn't have a 'stable' release 'g'`
`14:00.42`	`Ainulindale`	`effbiai: yep`
`14:00.47`	`effbiai`	`roger =)`
`14:00.48`	`effbiai`	`thx`
`14:01.35`	`Fougner`	`henk, well, as long as the users think it's "stable", it really doesn't matter.. or does it?`
`14:01.42`	`Fougner`	`what defines "stable software" ?`
`14:01.51`	`henk`	`Fougner: on a server it definitely matters!`
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`14:02.18`	`henk`	`on the client... well, that depends on the requirements...`
`14:02.35`	`Fougner`	`yaaay, so requirements doesn't count for servers?`
`14:03.08`	`henk`	`Fougner: first requirement for servers: secure and stable software.`
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`14:03.31`	`Fougner`	`oh, so why do people use Windows Server? =D`
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`14:04.08`	`henk`	`Fougner: you haven't gotten to know 'people' yet? 'people' are dumb, don't think, and lie!`
`14:04.22`	`Fougner`	`hehe`
`14:04.39`	`Wonka`	`ack.`
`14:04.41`	`Fougner`	`we do not belong to the category "people" then ;)`
`14:04.48`	`Fougner`	`well`
`14:04.51`	`CVirus`	`windows is a monolithic OS good for 1 thing ... whipping your butt with`
`14:04.52`	`Wonka`	`customers are like people, only worse`
`14:05.07`	`Wonka`	`CVirus: "wiping", i hope`
`14:05.19`	`CVirus`	`my bad english probably`
`14:05.25`	`Fougner`	`sometimes people need commersial software =)`
`14:05.38`	`CVirus`	`commercial, i hope`
`14:05.39`	`CVirus`	`:-p`
`14:05.41`	`Wonka`	`a whip is a device inteded to cause pain`
`14:05.44`	`Fougner`	`exaaaaactley =)`
`14:05.48`	`Wonka`	`whipping is the act of using a whip`
`14:05.51`	`henk`	`Wonka: would you want to wipe your ass with a piece of shit only held together by worms and viruses?`
`14:05.57`	`Fougner`	`cracks a whip`
`14:06.03`	`Wonka`	`henk: nope :)`
`14:06.11`	`Fougner`	`aaaaw, come on guys`
`14:06.14`	`Dave`	`Back to work, slaves!`
`14:06.15`	`Fougner`	`it isn't that bad`
`14:06.20`	`Wonka`	`henk: but neither would i whip my butt with it.`
`14:06.22`	`Fougner`	`windows is good for some users`
`14:06.31`	`CVirus`	`windows is good for no one`
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`14:06.39`	`CVirus`	`my 6 years old uses Ubuntu smoothly`
`14:06.41`	`Fougner`	`then why do people use it?`
`14:06.43`	`henk`	`me neither, but actually whipping may even be worse since that can cause open wounds and i'd rather have windows in my arse than in my blood...`
`14:06.45`	`CVirus`	`6 years old sister*`
`14:07.52`	`Wonka`	`Fougner: because WoW runs with the least pain on it`
`14:08.07`	`sakkara_`	`Fougner: they use it because it comes pre-installed on there pcs and they don't want/know to setup a different os...`
`14:08.08`	`effbiai`	`anyway.. do anyone know why the shr image size has bin squeezed, has the code just bin improoved or have they removed stuff? 20081120 89M - 20081121 76M - 20081123 71M`
`14:08.25`	`Fougner`	`honestly`
`14:08.34`	`Dave`	`removed crap`
`14:08.48`	`Dave`	`Don't worry :)`
`14:08.57`	`effbiai`	`removed crap or "crap"? ;)`
`14:09.03`	`Fougner`	`then today Windows has something Linux does not!`
`14:09.13`	`henk`	`Fougner: they don't know anything else. and if they knew, they wouldn't know everything is better than windows and if they knew they wouldn't know that a differently designed software isn't necessarily worse than windows and even if they knew they wouldn't understand that getting used to something else will save a whole fscking lot of time later on...`
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`14:09.45`	`d-b`	`effbiai: eh ?`
`14:09.58`	`henk`	`windows has a lot of stuff linux does not have: an ever growing history, even more senseless and cryptic error messages, useless applications on board, ...`
`14:10.22`	`Fougner`	`yeah and it's commercial`
`14:10.23`	`d-b`	`windows is good for two things. one spreading windows and two $$$$`
`14:10.25`	`effbiai`	`if we _might_ need it.. then it's just "crap" ;)`
`14:10.36`	`d-b`	`effbiai: need what ?`
`14:10.46`	`Wonka`	`Dave: crap like mp3 players?`
`14:10.49`	`d-b`	`we don't need computers`
`14:10.52`	`d-b`	`etc.`
`14:11.11`	`effbiai`	`d-b: gah, see earler post`
`14:11.12`	`Dave`	`hahaha`
`14:11.16`	`Dave`	`nah`
`14:11.40`	`d-b`	`ok. but is shr any good ?`
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`14:11.44`	`Fougner`	`well, can someone please help me install latest CoD on ubuntu?`
`14:11.44`	`effbiai`	`y`
`14:11.46`	`Fougner`	`=D`
`14:11.56`	`effbiai`	`i actually liked it better than qt ext`
`14:12.07`	`sakkara_`	`d-b: i NEED my computer, without it i can't flash my fr :P`
`14:12.30`	`d-b`	`Fougner: yeah`
`14:12.33`	`d-b`	`it runs under wine`
`14:12.34`	`effbiai`	`jeje, back to work`
`14:12.55`	`d-b`	`sakkara_: blame adobe ^^`
`14:13.17`	`sakkara_`	`XD`
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`14:13.45`	`d-b`	`effbiai: can't find your earlier rant.`
`14:14.22`	`d-b`	`what bothers me with linux is the kernel level problems. which occur from time to time and the lack of a security mind set for linus.`
`14:14.26`	`effbiai`	`15:08 < effbiai> anyway.. do anyone know why the shr image size has bin squeezed, has the code just bin improoved or have they removed stuff? 20081120 89M - 20081121 76M - 20081123 71M \| 15:08 < Dave> removed crap`
`14:14.38`	`d-b`	`there is no kernel.org/security but there is a microsoft.com/security etc.`
`14:14.56`	`d-b`	`effbiai: that's no rant ^^`
`14:15.17`	`Ainulindale`	`effbiai: I removed stuff`
`14:15.17`	`Dave`	`microsoft ... security?`
`14:15.23`	`Dave`	`Ainulindale!`
`14:15.26`	`Ainulindale`	`But the problem is that the image generation got borked in the process of cleaning it`
`14:15.30`	`Dave`	`admissions come forth :)`
`14:15.32`	`Fougner`	`I've never user a microsoft support-thing.. but a linux support channel, yes =D`
`14:15.32`	`Ainulindale`	`That's why I wiped out the whole OE tree`
`14:15.41`	`Ainulindale`	`And I'm currently generating the image from scratch`
`14:15.49`	`Ainulindale`	`It'll complete this evening I hope`
`14:15.54`	`Dave`	`Ainu, did you finish with the packages?`
`14:15.59`	`Dave`	`or are those being rebuilt as well?`
`14:16.03`	`effbiai`	`Ainulindale: witch image do you want us to use now then?`
`14:16.17`	`Ainulindale`	`Now? LAtest`
`14:16.20`	`Fougner`	`A WITCH????? WHERE????`
`14:16.22`	`Ainulindale`	`But you won't have language selection`
`14:16.27`	`effbiai`	`ah`
`14:16.30`	`Ainulindale`	`Dave: NOTE: Running task 4642 of 5928 (ID: 2554, /home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox_1.11.3.bb, do_configure)`
`14:16.32`	`effbiai`	`then i'll wait =)`
`14:16.32`	`Fougner`	`DAAAAAVE =D`
`14:16.37`	`Dave`	`okay okay :)`
`14:16.48`	`Dave`	`I'll be patient :)`
`14:17.10`	`d-b`	`Dave: vista has very few problems. linux.... - pick a distro`
`14:17.18`	`Ainulindale`	`I strongly suggest to reflash as soon as I say it's ready`
`14:17.25`	`Ainulindale`	`Though my opinion is the image will grow bigger`
`14:17.25`	`d-b`	`meh its offtopic`
`14:17.53`	`Dave`	`\o/`
`14:20.19`	`Fougner`	`Dave =D`
`14:20.21`	`Fougner`	`what's up?`
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`14:23.12`	`Dave`	`Ainulindale's rebuild`
`14:23.32`	`Ainulindale`	`Next thing to come is the OE patches for fastboot`
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`14:24.05`	`Dave`	`Hooray!`
`14:24.11`	`Dave`	`One step at a time, eh, Ainu? :)`
`14:24.38`	`Ainulindale`	`Oh, I'm used to fall trying to jump the steps`
`14:26.11`	`Dave`	`oh really? :]`
`14:26.12`	`Dave`	`hehe`
`14:26.23`	`Dave`	`can't say I blame you :P`
`14:27.11`	`Ainulindale`	`Dave: though for the last packages it'll go fast`
`14:27.23`	`Ainulindale`	`The big ones are there already`
`14:28.18`	`Dave`	`:D`
`14:29.11`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r61dad6c2561b 10/otapi/ (2 files): otapi: document expected values for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.ListPhoneboks()`
`14:30.39`	`Ainulindale`	`Dave: NOTE: Running task 4934 of 5928 (ID: 2089, /home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/starling/starling_svn.bb, do_compile)`
`14:30.45`	`Ainulindale`	`see?`
`14:30.49`	`Dave`	`Yay!`
`14:30.51`	`Dave`	`:)`
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`14:32.03`	`CVirus`	`GSM.SIM.ListPhoneboks() .. boks ?`
`14:32.07`	`igor321`	`hai guiz! i'm trying to play the .3gp clips that youtube streams`
`14:32.18`	`Ainulindale`	`CVirus: well, typo :-)`
`14:33.24`	`CVirus`	`Ainulindale: it's correct there http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD#ListPhonebooks`
`14:33.26`	`CVirus`	`:-)`
`14:33.33`	`Ainulindale`	`Yeah I know`
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`14:55.13`	`slaxxin`	`shr yet?`
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`14:56.30`	`Tig\|`	`has anyone got a log of what a working bluetooth keyboard connecting looks like`
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`14:57.05`	`pooze1`	`huh...? why no daily-build root-image on downloads.openmoko.org/daily?`
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`14:57.51`	`slaxxin`	`well thats a god sign`
`14:58.01`	`pooze1`	`:(`
`14:58.19`	`pooze1`	`perhaps it was broken.`
`14:58.25`	`pooze1`	`but where can I find yesterdays daily build then?`
`14:58.50`	`slaxxin`	`maybe 2008.11 is popping out`
`14:59.02`	`pooze1`	`hmm.. I haven't seen it anywhere.`
`14:59.18`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r551321fe0d7f 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] catch up modem abstraction with current state of affairs, use PDU mode`
`14:59.22`	`pooze1`	`under the releases folder, I do find an Om2008.9 image from 17th of november.`
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`15:05.56`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9d2b032175c5 10/ (9 files in 4 dirs):`
`15:05.56`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: * add missing glibc async annotations in org.freesmartphone.Preferences.*`
`15:05.56`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: * regenerate docs`
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`15:07.27`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`slaxxin: don't hold ypur breath`
`15:07.45`	`Wonka`	`i don't like my FR's GPRS behaviour... http://pastebin.com/m787001b3`
`15:08.47`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Wonka: bin, or sledgehammer ;-)`
`15:09.09`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`sorry...`
`15:09.24`	`mwester`	`:p`
`15:09.59`	`Dave`	`:)`
`15:11.57`	`Fougner`	`:o`
`15:12.32`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`ducks`
`15:12.37`	`Wonka`	`DocScrutinizer2: same sim in S65 does work better...`
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`15:13.21`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`same muxer in S6t doesn't work at all ;-)`
`15:13.29`	`Fougner`	`hiyaaaaaaa!!!!!!`
`15:13.54`	`Fougner`	`I am the cereal-eating NINJAAH!`
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`15:14.36`	`Fougner`	`hey Dave!`
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`15:15.41`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Fougner: be carefull! Here we got hypersensitive gasalarm in the kitchen XD`
`15:15.51`	`jonkristian`	`Anybody have usb networking trouble with shr?`
`15:16.08`	`Ainulindale`	`jonkristian: someone did, and you'll have troubles in conjunction with mofi`
`15:16.42`	`jonkristian`	`Ainulindale: So, there's something wrong with mofi?`
`15:16.58`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`snoooooooooooort`
`15:17.17`	`Ainulindale`	`jonkristian: Yep`
`15:17.22`	`Ainulindale`	`It does an ifconfig usb0 down`
`15:17.26`	`Ainulindale`	`Check your /etc/mofi dir`
`15:17.29`	`Ainulindale`	`connect.sh`
`15:18.41`	`Dave`	`Damn, my sound is busted.`
`15:18.50`	`Ainulindale`	`Dave: 5422 of 5928`
`15:18.55`	`Dave`	`\o/`
`15:18.57`	`Dave`	`Progress!`
`15:19.01`	`Dave`	`:)`
`15:19.11`	`Ainulindale`	`I'll take a little while because I'll test it before showing it online`
`15:19.17`	`Dave`	`bah`
`15:19.30`	`jonkristian`	`Ainulindale: will you have a new image up tonight that takes care of this?`
`15:19.33`	`Dave`	`Well I'm going to be hammering the webserver after it's finished :P`
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`15:19.38`	`Ainulindale`	`jonkristian: no, I won't fix this`
`15:19.48`	`Ainulindale`	`If people wishes to use mofi, then they have to configure it`
`15:19.57`	`Ainulindale`	`This software is, sad to say, a real pain`
`15:20.10`	`Ainulindale`	`It took me all the courage of the world to build a bb recipe for it`
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`15:21.09`	`jonkristian`	`Ainulindale: I'd love to see something like networkmanager for the fr, it's awesome:)`
`15:21.43`	`Ainulindale`	`Same here`
`15:22.12`	`jonkristian`	`So, i have to remove ifconfig usb0 down from connect.sh ?`
`15:22.25`	`jonkristian`	`I thought id had to bring down usb0 to work with wlan ?`
`15:22.26`	`Ainulindale`	`Modify it according to your needs`
`15:22.46`	`Ainulindale`	`No`
`15:22.53`	`Ainulindale`	`You have to change your routes`
`15:26.03`	`jonkristian`	`Ainulindale: well, my problem is usb networking from laptop -> fr , i don't think mofi is responsible for that, but i'll test a little.`
`15:26.21`	`Ainulindale`	`Indeed it is`
`15:26.24`	`Ainulindale`	`If it disables usb`
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`15:26.56`	`Ainulindale`	`Were you a magician I'd say you could ssh with a disabled connection`
`15:27.00`	`Ainulindale`	`But you're not, are you? :-)`
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`15:28.14`	`sicu`	`~magician`
`15:28.15`	`apt`	`hmm... magician is a HTC pda/phone sold as i-Mate JAM, MDA Compact, Qtek S100/S110, Xda Mini, SPV M500 or VPA Compact.`
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`15:28.52`	`sicu`	`hmm... i doubt he'd be able to even if he was HTC product ;p`
`15:29.12`	`sakkara_`	`lol xD`
`15:29.45`	`jonkristian`	`hehe`
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`15:31.17`	`phobie`	`is there a fingerfriendly keyboard?`
`15:31.21`	`phobie`	`What about T9?`
`15:31.53`	`sakkara_`	`jonkristian: i'd say just don't start mofi and check if usb-net works, or try ifconfig usb0 up`
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`15:35.33`	`jonkristian`	`And I'll continue to say that it's not the problem`
`15:36.28`	`henk`	`phobie: i was asking for t9 as well and heard it was patented... iirc.`
`15:37.23`	`sakkara_`	`have you tried or you just say it?`
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`15:38.52`	`jonkristian`	`sakkara_: yeah, i made sure usb0 was up`
`15:38.54`	`phobie`	`henk: than let make t10 ;)`
`15:38.59`	`henk`	`hehe`
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`15:39.21`	`jonkristian`	`Doing a reboot now, and clearing iptables`
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`15:41.13`	`phobie`	`T9 patent http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5818437.html`
`15:41.37`	`phobie`	`http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1256871`
`15:42.15`	`jonkristian`	`which seemed to work:)`
`15:42.25`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rf7fa0d515da9 10framework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): tests: start with phonebook tests`
`15:42.39`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r283d8bbad864 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'`
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`16:00.37`	`Tig\|`	`what I really could do with now is a raster`
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`16:01.25`	`Tig\|`	`has anyone had any joy getting external keyboards working under ms4 or shr ?`
`16:04.58`	`Ainulindale`	`Dave: image is here`
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`16:10.28`	`Fougner`	`Ainulindale, =D`
`16:10.43`	`Fougner`	`ey guys, the OM2007 image, where can i get 'em?`
`16:10.52`	`Fougner`	`images*`
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`16:40.58`	`AntonTakk`	`just curious, but does anyone know of any progress on gta03 since the last entry from 8/18 on the gta03_revisions page? or why there has been none? again, just curious`
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`16:44.51`	`pjz`	`anyone know why qtopia turns on the speakerphone on incoming calls?`
`16:45.08`	`pjz`	`outgoing calls work fine; I tweaked the volume up and they sound quite decent`
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`16:45.59`	`pjz`	`AntonTakk: lots of progress since then, I'm sure; see the kernel trees for the progress on it there`
`16:46.49`	`AntonTakk`	`pjz: was thinking more hardware wise, but ok, thanks for the tip :)`
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`16:47.26`	`pjz`	`AntonTakk: well, it's quite difficult to write drivers for hardware that doesn't exist`
`16:47.35`	`pjz`	`AntonTakk: well, easy to write, but hard to test`
`16:47.49`	`AntonTakk`	`.... excellent point :)`
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`17:01.27`	`tdobson`	`LOL i just accidently sent some people like 5 copes of the same message because i thought it wasnt working`
`17:01.34`	`tdobson`	`because the messages got stuck in my outbox`
`17:01.35`	`tdobson`	`oops`
`17:01.36`	`tdobson`	`lol`
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`17:16.38`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rc1d4ffad4937 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py:`
`17:16.38`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM:`
`17:16.38`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: * RetrieveEntry`
`17:16.39`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: * StoreEntry`
`17:16.39`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: * DeleteEntry`
`17:16.52`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r259ed5683634 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'`
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`18:05.02`	`Wonka`	`curse`
`18:05.20`	`Wonka`	`wpa_supplicant won't connect to my wpa2-psk-ccmp wlan...`
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`18:05.47`	`Wonka`	`Trying to associate with 00:1e:xx:xx:xx:xx (SSID='xxxxxx' freq=2412 MHz)`
`18:06.03`	`Wonka`	`Authentication with 00:1e:xx:xx:xx:xx timed out.`
`18:06.09`	`Wonka`	`'PING' command timed out.`
`18:06.59`	`Weiss`	`Wonka: muppet check: did you enable MAC filtering on the AP? (i always forget that)`
`18:07.11`	`Wonka`	`Weiss: never.`
`18:07.39`	`Wonka`	`aaah. i opened a second ssh connection, entered "iwconfig eth0 essid any", and then it worked...`
`18:08.09`	`Wonka`	`er, not exactly, i see.`
`18:08.28`	`Wonka`	`it connected to an open network instead, after the other one timed out again.`
`18:08.37`	`Weiss`	`d'oh`
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`18:11.27`	`Wonka`	`it should not do that!`
`18:12.22`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Wonka: I seem to remember there was a strange kind of restriktion about sequence of iwconfig commands, like no essid after key or sth alike`
`18:12.37`	`cjb`	`I think that's driver-dependent`
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`18:12.51`	`cjb`	`(so might be a bug in the openmoko's wifi driver)`
`18:12.55`	`Wonka`	`i have a wpa-roam.conf, and three network configs in it. one of them is priority 0 for open networks, another one is priority 100 for my wpa2-psk-ccmp network.`
`18:13.23`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`It was a bug in wifi driver`
`18:13.44`	`Wonka`	`Linux debian-gta02 2.6.24-20081103.git7172ec57`
`18:13.58`	`Wonka`	`what kernel package should i get?`
`18:14.25`	`Wonka`	`i don't even have a problem with an ipk...`
`18:14.44`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`s/was/is/`
`18:14.52`	`greterter`	`Why is there no opkg-targe in http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/openmoko-i686-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2 ?`
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`18:16.03`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Or probably more in wifi firmware`
`18:16.27`	`Wonka`	`damn.`
`18:17.21`	`Wonka`	`i read the "was" as "it is fixed since some amount of time"... but if you meant "is", then i'm basically bleeped for the moment?`
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`18:18.18`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`don't remember exactly, but you just had to obej right sequence, then it worked. dunno whether related to your problem tho`
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`18:22.16`	`Fougner`	`=(`
`18:22.22`	`Fougner`	`is a noob`
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`18:24.32`	`Fougner`	`wonders if someone want to explain requirements to do a simple c++ and gtk app on the FR, when the source works fine on his computer`
`18:24.51`	`TAsn`	`Fougner, jsut read about the toolchain in the wiki...`
`18:24.56`	`Sargun_Screen`	`Fougner: how simple?`
`18:25.16`	`Fougner`	`Sargun_Screen, like, hello world =)`
`18:25.16`	`Sargun_Screen`	`Ditch the C++, preferably gtk too`
`18:25.27`	`Fougner`	`TAsn, thanks, will look there`
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`18:25.47`	`Sargun_Screen`	`Fougner: I would tell you to install, and develop under debian`
`18:26.06`	`Fougner`	`=(`
`18:26.13`	`Sargun_Screen`	`why?`
`18:27.29`	`Fougner`	`AMD64 = x86-compatible ?`
`18:27.43`	`Fougner`	`s/=/==`
`18:28.03`	`Fougner`	`s/=/==/`
`18:28.09`	`Fougner`	`oh crap`
`18:28.13`	`Fougner`	`~_~`
`18:28.14`	`apt`	`STOP DOING THAT!`
`18:28.27`	`Fougner`	`apt, stop it yourself!`
`18:28.28`	`apt`	`ACTION leaps to his feet and stops it yourself!`
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`18:29.20`	`Fougner`	`Sargun_Screen, why develop in debian?`
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`18:30.47`	`effbiai`	`Ainulindale: is there a problem connecting to open network with Mofi on SHR? the "Connect to selected" buttun hangs as it is pushed down, and nothing happens. I've also checked /var/log/messages on the dhcp server, no dhcp discover from the phone there eather. using latest image - but i've seen this earlier on an different open network before. i connected a WEP network at work today.. and that worked flawlessly.`
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`18:32.41`	`Wonka`	`argh. i hate the AT command interface...`
`18:32.45`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`wpa_supplicant sucks ;-D`
`18:33.10`	`effbiai`	`DocScrutinizer2: word =)`
`18:33.13`	`Wonka`	`apt, stfu!`
`18:33.14`	`apt`	`:(`
`18:34.49`	`Fougner`	`which toolchain to download? TAsn ?`
`18:35.07`	`Fougner`	`apt, come here!`
`18:35.20`	`Fougner`	`apt get me some coffee`
`18:35.21`	`apt`	`ACTION fetches me some coffee`
`18:38.13`	`TAsn`	`I used the regular toolchain.`
`18:38.17`	`TAsn`	`cya, im off..`
`18:38.22`	`Dave`	`Ainulindale \o/`
`18:38.41`	`Fougner`	`Ainulindale \o/`
`18:39.03`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Dave!`
`18:39.13`	`Dave`	`Joerg!`
`18:39.24`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`no explosions today?`
`18:39.27`	`Dave`	`uhh`
`18:39.29`	`Dave`	`Last night :D`
`18:39.38`	`Dave`	`and it was more of an implosion :p`
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`18:40.09`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`lol, too much empty space in FR`
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`18:40.41`	`Fougner`	`uh,m`
`18:40.42`	`Fougner`	`Dave`
`18:40.45`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`when it implodes, it will eat your house`
`18:40.48`	`Fougner`	`how many FRs do you haev?`
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`18:42.14`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`None, either chain+ball, or not running any more :D`
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`18:46.36`	`Dave`	`Doc :P`
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`18:47.24`	`Fougner`	`Dave, how many FRs do you haev?`
`18:47.26`	`Fougner`	`have*`
`18:47.31`	`Dave`	`Enough :p`
`18:48.09`	`Fougner`	`number?`
`18:48.14`	`Fougner`	`how many? =D`
`18:48.16`	`Fougner`	`please`
`18:48.19`	`Fougner`	`tell me =D`
`18:48.24`	`Dave`	`pelt Fougner with his pile of freerunners`
`18:48.27`	`leinirAWAY`	`Considerably more than yaw! ;)`
`18:48.35`	`Dave`	`zing!`
`18:48.40`	`Dave`	`high-fives Leinir`
`18:48.49`	`leinirAWAY`	`giggles :)`
`18:48.57`	`b0ib0t2`	`giggles`
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`18:49.10`	`Fougner`	`giggles`
`18:49.11`	`Dave`	`wiggles`
`18:49.16`	`Fougner`	`:o`
`18:49.20`	`b0ib0t2`	`jiggles`
`18:49.35`	`Dave`	`:p`
`18:49.39`	`Fougner`	`Dave`
`18:49.46`	`Fougner`	`how many, serious ?`
`18:49.46`	`b0ib0t2`	`Dave`
`18:49.47`	`Dave`	`Win.`
`18:49.48`	`Fougner`	`=D`
`18:49.52`	`henk`	`does anyone know where to get support for qi?`
`18:50.05`	`Dave`	`henk, I don't believe there is any yet :)`
`18:50.08`	`Fougner`	`henk, there! points`
`18:50.15`	`Dave`	`Other than the mailing lists`
`18:50.36`	`Fougner`	`ey`
`18:50.43`	`Fougner`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain`
`18:50.58`	`Fougner`	`I come to "First, update the opkg database (Notice, you should use alias opkg-target but not opkg) "`
`18:51.01`	`cjb`	`huh, I just booted MSO4.1, and I get a black screen when X should be coming up`
`18:51.04`	`cjb`	`and nothing on that screen`
`18:51.05`	`cjb`	`any ideas?`
`18:51.13`	`Fougner`	`but my computer says " * Could not obtain administrative lock`
`18:51.13`	`Fougner`	`"`
`18:51.24`	`Dave`	`nice`
`18:51.52`	`Fougner`	`noooo`
`18:51.54`	`Fougner`	`not nice`
`18:52.26`	`cjb`	`ooh, its up now`
`18:52.30`	`cjb`	`looks pretty so far!`
`18:52.36`	`Dave`	`Yep`
`18:53.34`	`cjb`	`does this image have idle-suspend working?`
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`18:55.34`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`cjb: it just takes a while to render the mandelbrot with limit 65525, and modulo 1, that's used for wallpaper ;-D`
`18:56.23`	`Fougner`	`what is a .ppm file?`
`18:56.53`	`Ke`	`a very simple image format`
`18:57.34`	`Ke`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netpbm_format`
`18:58.26`	`_Bill__`	`very-very-very uneffecttive and ugly image format :)`
`18:59.07`	`Ke`	`well it's very easy to do if you are writing a program`
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`19:00.12`	`_Bill__`	`that indeed. but no man in clear mind should do it...`
`19:00.15`	`Fougner`	`okay. I wonder because one of the splashscreens...`
`19:00.47`	`DocScrutinizer`	`WAAAAH!`
`19:01.07`	`Dave`	`o_O`
`19:01.12`	`Fougner`	`then I guess Team Moko were doing drugs when they coded it =)`
`19:01.18`	`Fougner`	`Dave! =D`
`19:01.24`	`Dave`	`shush!`
`19:01.32`	`Dave`	`Ke :]`
`19:01.36`	`_Bill__`	`lol`
`19:01.39`	`Ke`	`Dave: !`
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`19:02.30`	`Ke`	`I used netpbm on a simple octave script to plot images =o/`
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`19:03.16`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Fougner: sure! OM delivers them for free to all coders ;-)`
`19:03.57`	`cjb`	`wow, this FSOm4 is beautiful`
`19:04.20`	`_Bill__`	`lol.. whatever they're doing... i want that too.. using a ppm as a spash is surely result of some good stuff`
`19:04.29`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`not for hw-team though, we have to use EST`
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`19:05.43`	`Dave`	`yay :D`
`19:06.11`	`Wonka`	`whythebleep is the kernel image in fso-unstable older than the one in fso-testing?`
`19:06.20`	`Fougner`	`DocScrutinizer2, :O you kidding me?`
`19:06.43`	`Fougner`	`cjb, what's the matter? =D enlighten me =D`
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`19:07.01`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Fougner: no! hw-team get no drugs for free :-(`
`19:07.03`	`Dave`	`Wonka, don't you know - as time goes forward, progress goes backward :D`
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`19:07.24`	`Fougner`	`Dave, like in vista... timemachine`
`19:08.37`	`_Bill__`	`wasn't timemachine a mac thing?`
`19:08.52`	`_Bill__`	`flashing 4.1 as we speak`
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`19:11.27`	`effbiai`	`is there a problem connecting to open network with Mofi on SHR? the "Connect to selected" buttun hangs as it is pushed down, and nothing happens. I've also checked /var/log/messages on the dhcp server, no dhcp discover from the phone there eather. using latest image - but i've seen this earlier on an different open network before. i connected a WEP network at work today.. and that worked flawlessly.`
`19:13.33`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Fougner: (EST) so I'm on withdrawal here in .tw, as mains is 100V here, from Germany I'm used to 220V ;-)`
`19:14.51`	`Dave`	`:D`
`19:15.20`	`Fougner`	`taiwan? :O`
`19:15.32`	`Fougner`	`220V rules =D`
`19:15.53`	`Fougner`	`DocScrutinizer2, you're one of the students working for OM?`
`19:15.56`	`Dave`	`bah`
`19:16.00`	`Dave`	`students?`
`19:16.02`	`Dave`	`hahaha`
`19:16.15`	`Dave`	`I bet you're flattered, Joerg :P`
`19:16.17`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`apt: joerg`
`19:16.18`	`apt`	`well, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer`
`19:17.05`	`Dave`	`:D`
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`19:19.27`	`Fougner`	`dang`
`19:19.43`	`Fougner`	`what gstreamer package do I need on my computer to compile in toolchain? :O`
`19:20.19`	`Fougner`	`DocScrutinizer2, no offence, sorry`
`19:21.15`	`DocScrutinizer`	`Fougner: np :)`
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`19:22.22`	`Fougner`	`DocScrutinizer, hw engineer huh? so you're good at all the hw in the FR? =D`
`19:22.23`	`balrog-k1n`	`we're all students in some sense :p`
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`19:22.51`	`Wonka`	`DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/m787001b3 - where might the malfunction be?`
`19:23.17`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`only reason to do this`
`19:23.31`	`effbiai`	`apt, get me some cofee`
`19:23.32`	`apt`	`ACTION fetches me some cofee`
`19:23.43`	`effbiai`	`apt, ME not you`
`19:23.43`	`apt`	`moi?`
`19:23.59`	`Wonka`	`DocScrutinizer: ppp connects eventually, ssh connect comes to some point, after that, there's only outgoing retransmissions and no more replies`
`19:24.06`	`Dave`	`toi`
`19:24.18`	`Wonka`	`apt: get effbiai some coffee`
`19:24.19`	`apt`	`ACTION fetches effbiai some coffee`
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`19:26.00`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Wonka: line26?`
`19:26.44`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Wonka: tell me, is this hw actually?`
`19:27.19`	`Psi`	`anyone aware of any hardware hacks to gta01 to fix the short battery life?`
`19:27.30`	`Wonka`	`DocScrutinizer2: this is from my FR`
`19:27.47`	`Wonka`	`DocScrutinizer2: what did you mean with "line26?"?`
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`19:28.50`	`Wonka`	`DocScrutinizer2: only edit is the "a.b.c.d" instead of the real IP`
`19:28.55`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Wonka: line26 looks suspicious. Anyway I couldn't fix it with my soldering iron ;-)`
`19:29.29`	`Wonka`	`DocScrutinizer2: that message showed up every time i got a ppp connection going`
`19:29.48`	`Wonka`	`DocScrutinizer2: and several tcp packets came through, so i'd think it's nothing fatal`
`19:30.33`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`well, sorry I can't help then :-/`
`19:30.48`	`Wonka`	`:(`
`19:31.19`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Psi: remove reset transistor to calypso?`
`19:31.31`	`Wonka`	`hm. i could try to strace the script that gave me the tty from the muxer...`
`19:31.38`	`muxe`	`yay`
`19:31.52`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`muxe: lol`
`19:32.00`	`Psi`	`DocScrutinizer2: i dunno, is there any documentation about it`
`19:32.14`	`Wonka`	`DocScrutinizer2: wouldn't that disable the calypso?`
`19:32.20`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Didn't see any`
`19:32.38`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`nope, see GTA02`
`19:32.58`	`effbiai`	`using SHR. is there a service or something like that to restart some kind of gsm (modem) handler? I'm not able to get signal strenght from my operator. i'm getting "SOS Only" witch i guess means that it has reception from an other cellular operator OR it can't read my SIM`
`19:33.57`	`Fougner`	`DocScrutinizer, what's calypso? =D`
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`19:34.49`	`Wonka`	`Fougner: the GSM chipset.`
`19:34.58`	`Wonka`	`Fougner: texas instruments "Calypso".`
`19:35.12`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Psi: see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003191.html`
`19:35.33`	`Fougner`	`ah`
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`19:39.02`	`Psi`	`DocScrutinizer2: thanks`
`19:39.30`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Psi: welcome :)`
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`19:41.11`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Psi: tho this mail obviously is incorrect: we actually have a switch for GSM on GTA02`
`19:41.25`	`Fougner`	`cool`
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`19:43.02`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`anyway you can live without. But reset is BAD[TM]`
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`19:45.14`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Psi: just reflash to MOKO10 before removing this transistor ;) Would be much harder to do afterwords`
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`19:45.49`	`henk`	`any idea how to debug qi not booting the kernel on the sd.`
`19:45.53`	`henk`	`?`
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`19:46.26`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Hum, use debugboard? ;-)`
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`19:48.36`	`henk`	`don't have one :-/`
`19:48.41`	`Dave`	`:S`
`19:48.50`	`Dave`	`I just started cutting things up`
`19:49.20`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`Dave: beware!`
`19:49.23`	`Psi`	`DocScrutinizer2: interesting`
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`19:50.02`	`Psi`	`i thought there was a hardware bug in the production gta01 that resulted in the 12h battery life`
`19:50.23`	`SpeedEvil`	`Nope.`
`19:50.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`I've had nearly that playing mp3 clocked down to 60MHz`
`19:51.01`	`SpeedEvil`	`However, that was with the modem off, the firmware installed took 30mA all the time.`
`19:51.09`	`SpeedEvil`	`I should update my firmware.`
`19:52.19`	`Psi`	`how long should a production gta01 last when its registered on the network and waiting for calls but everything else is off`
`19:52.59`	`SpeedEvil`	`Literally everything off - 40 hours or so with the stock GSM firmware.`
`19:53.22`	`Psi`	`hm..`
`19:53.30`	`Psi`	`ive never had more than 12 hours`
`19:53.33`	`SpeedEvil`	`Reportedly more with newer firmware (7 days?) but I haven't upgraded my modem`
`19:53.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`that is with the CPU off.`
`19:53.44`	`SpeedEvil`	`Not in 'stop' mode.`
`19:53.54`	`SpeedEvil`	`I don't think any image actually does that.`
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`19:54.05`	`SpeedEvil`	`But with RAM resumable.`
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`19:54.37`	`Psi`	`hm..`
`19:54.57`	`Psi`	`so you think we may yet get updates to make gta01 usable?`
`19:55.16`	`SpeedEvil`	`No.`
`19:55.24`	`SpeedEvil`	`Well - I have no knowledge of that.`
`19:55.36`	`Psi`	`so its possible but you know of no one working on it`
`19:55.41`	`SpeedEvil`	`I'm speaking of the fundmanetlas the hardware can do.`
`19:56.14`	`Psi`	`whats the current gta02 standby life?`
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`19:58.28`	`damkor`	`hi, has anyone tried libghc6-gtk-dev for debian-arm on FR`
`19:58.29`	`damkor`	`?`
`19:59.47`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Power_Management psi is some idea of the stuff to be done. Still. :/`
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`20:00.10`	`Psi`	`thanks`
`20:00.17`	`rooly`	`your welcome`
`20:00.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`Thought tickless kernel - a tiny improvement - may have been implemented, I'm unsure.`
`20:02.18`	`Psi`	`ok, thanks for the info SpeedEvil and DocScrutinizer2, i have to go or i'll miss the bus`
`20:02.23`	`SpeedEvil`	`(I assume it's a tiny improvement, unmeasured)`
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`20:02.45`	`SpeedEvil`	`wave.`
`20:02.54`	`Dave`	`o/`
`20:03.47`	`AntonTakk`	`SpeedEvil: it seems to me the tickless kernel was considered a rather large power consumption improvement when it was first introduced in fedora, of corse a desktop and the fr have little in common`
`20:04.06`	`AntonTakk`	`power consumption wise`
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`20:05.09`	`SpeedEvil`	`'considered' or measured?`
`20:05.31`	`AntonTakk`	`both, iirc`
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`20:05.50`	`opentrinity`	`hi i have a problem with headset...i don't hear nothing..`
`20:06.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`Unless the CPU is slowed down or slept deeply, there is a hell of a lot of power going in that direction.`
`20:06.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`AntonTakk: going from 5% CPU used in ticks to 0.1% may well not be a very large improvement.`
`20:06.38`	`opentrinity`	`how i can restore default alsa configuration?`
`20:07.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`opentrinity: what software?`
`20:07.37`	`opentrinity`	`2008.9`
`20:07.46`	`opentrinity`	`dialer..`
`20:09.07`	`opentrinity`	`mplare works...but when i use gsm i don't hear nothing...mic is broken...?`
`20:09.12`	`AntonTakk`	`SpeedEvil: seems i may not remember properly - liiks like on a xeon server the diference was five watts under load, and one watt at idle`
`20:10.02`	`opentrinity`	`SpeedEvil, untill this morning all warks great :-/`
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`20:10.22`	`SpeedEvil`	`AntonTakk: The xeon probably had the right drivers to put the CPU into a really low power mode.`
`20:10.46`	`SpeedEvil`	`AntonTakk: to get the SC* CPU into a really low power mode, you need to turn down the clocks.`
`20:10.54`	`rustybox`	`expecting any major releases soon?`
`20:13.50`	`AntonTakk`	`SpeedEvil: if the phone is idle, or asleep, why not turn the clock all the way down? how much cpu time is really needed to watch for a wakeup event?`
`20:14.02`	`SpeedEvil`	`AntonTakk: be our guest!`
`20:14.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`passes AntonTakk the source and the datasheets.`
`20:14.25`	`SpeedEvil`	`cesarb got half way through that and got stalled by RL issues.`
`20:14.35`	`AntonTakk`	`RL?`
`20:14.41`	`SpeedEvil`	`Real Life.`
`20:14.46`	`AntonTakk`	`ah`
`20:15.11`	`AntonTakk`	`honestly, i'm the last person you'd want writing kernel code :)`
`20:17.48`	`AntonTakk`	`i'd be happy if i could figure out why the efl gui for my app won't display and while the whole thing won't compile on the fr`
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`20:18.44`	`rustybox`	`is there a way one can switch the default theme in OM2008.x to the illume theme in SHR?`
`20:19.57`	`caotic`	`anybody had a problem passing the uboot in a 3430 ldp using kermit ??`
`20:22.22`	`rustybox`	`sweet, totally got my rollup usb keyboard to work with the FR.`
`20:23.26`	`Dave`	`cool :D!`
`20:25.24`	`dent`	`abend`
`20:25.24`	`dent`	`is GPS supposed to work in SHR testing?`
`20:25.25`	`dent`	`I used to have GPS working well, but now I can't get a fix... and as I'm a GPS/* nooob, I'm lost`
`20:26.01`	`dent`	`so I wonder if maybe something "below" died/got broken...`
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`20:26.34`	`dent`	`I sed up openmoko-agpsgui... I see some bars in the signal strength tab... bute some of them, but still it says no fix`
`20:26.39`	`dent`	`s/sed/set/`
`20:26.41`	`Dave`	`:D`
`20:26.48`	`dent`	`wow to apt :)`
`20:26.54`	`Tig\|`	`dent: well it was working the other day in tangogps :)`
`20:27.14`	`Tig\|`	`hang on I will take it to the window and test the new image I just reflashed`
`20:27.26`	`dent`	`it didn't work in tango, so that's why I set on to install agpsgui as I thoguht it might tell me what's wrong`
`20:27.33`	`dent`	`Tig\|: thx`
`20:28.21`	`Tig\|`	`dent: usual stuff : are you pointing it upwards, are you indoors`
`20:28.44`	`dent`	`I tried outdoors, I gave up on getting a fix indoors :)`
`20:28.55`	`Tig\|`	`remember it will take time to get its first fix`
`20:29.03`	`dent`	`yeah, but it was like > 5 mins`
`20:29.15`	`dent`	`thing is that I got it working back in summer`
`20:29.50`	`dent`	`agpsgui says somting like hmm... many basr showing ~ 150dbm and some reach up to 130`
`20:29.56`	`dent`	`is tat too little, or...?`
`20:30.00`	`Tig\|`	`can anyone confirm if we are storing the almanac data yet? I know it didn't before but I heard rumours that we might be able to`
`20:31.01`	`rustybox`	`newbie to 64bit question: if you can't find a 32bit deb for a program, can you use the source to compile it for 64bit?`
`20:31.40`	`rustybox`	`oops, wrong channel`
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`20:32.20`	`dent`	`rustybox: if the program is well written and it's not some obscure thing needing special "magic" (qemu), then it should just work...`
`20:32.39`	`rustybox`	`dent, thanks`
`20:32.44`	`dent`	`if the Q was about getting a 64binary from a source of something you see compiled in 32bit only...`
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`20:37.07`	`Tig\|`	`memo to self if leaving FR by the window to connect to gps turn off suspend first`
`20:37.29`	`Tig\|`	`in other news happy to report suspend resume works on the latest SHR image :)`
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`20:38.31`	`badcloud`	`yay`
`20:39.29`	`badcloud`	`can't wait for gta03, worse than stopping midstream`
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`20:40.37`	`dent`	`latest SHR is nice`
`20:40.51`	`slaxxin`	`shr yet?y`
`20:40.58`	`dent`	`my old phone finally kicked the bucket, so I'm stuck with FR as my only phone :)`
`20:41.09`	`dent`	`and except for occasional hiccups, it's ok`
`20:41.40`	`Tig\|`	`dent: I am very impressed with SHR :) I am temped to move my main sim over to it`
`20:41.46`	`toggles_w`	`dent: it'll be much better when Dave finished the android keyboard`
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`20:41.57`	`dent`	`and when the console flashes by on boot/resume, popele's eye usually pop out :))`
`20:42.04`	`_Bill_`	`hmh.. the fso ms4.1 looks nice`
`20:42.09`	`Tig\|`	`heh`
`20:42.10`	`_Bill_`	`a bit slow but that's ok..`
`20:42.27`	`_Bill_`	`if only i could get the gsmbuzz removed`
`20:42.36`	`dent`	`toggles_w: android KB? should I look forward? I already like the SHR keyboard :)`
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`20:42.53`	`toggles_w`	`dent: first name arthur?`
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`20:43.03`	`Tm_T`	`slaps toggles_w`
`20:43.13`	`toggles_w`	`ouch`
`20:43.22`	`dent`	`toggles_w: not really :-P`
`20:43.36`	`dent`	`I'd have prefered the nic "zub", but it's occupied here on freenode, sigh`
`20:43.43`	`Dave`	`:)`
`20:43.54`	`toggles_w`	`Dave: get back to work, finish that keyboard`
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`20:45.10`	`Dave`	`Yessum.`
`20:46.10`	`toggles_w`	`_Bill_: do you have a link to the 4.1 info?`
`20:46.46`	`_Bill_`	`http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone4.1/`
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`20:46.53`	`toggles_w`	`_Bill_: thanks`
`20:47.03`	`_Bill_`	`download, readme and stuff`
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`20:47.13`	`_Bill_`	`and link to status update`
`20:47.23`	`tuxi`	`is there any 8gb sd card which works with uboot?`
`20:47.32`	`_Bill_`	`but yeah.. damn contaminated mic path`
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`20:56.47`	`AntonTakk`	`fso is doing stable point releases now? or is this a special case?`
`20:56.59`	`_Bill_`	`seems stable`
`20:57.18`	`toggles_w`	`i think it was with all the mp3 stuff ripped out`
`20:57.35`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: there is, i got one.`
`20:57.58`	`tuxi`	`could you tell me the serial number`
`20:58.59`	`AntonTakk`	`looks like several fixes new over ms4`
`20:59.34`	`AntonTakk`	`i may have to look at it and see if i can make zhone work, might use it as my daily phone for a while if i can`
`20:59.40`	`Tig\|`	`dent: you still about`
`20:59.47`	`dent`	`Tig\|: yup`
`20:59.55`	`tuxi`	`Wonka: ?`
`21:00.12`	`_Bill_`	`hmh.. then again..`
`21:00.15`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: i replied to your question about 8gb sd cards :)`
`21:00.22`	`_Bill_`	`suspended and doesn't wake up`
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`21:00.42`	`tuxi`	`yeha well i saw, and i asked if you could tell me the producer and id of the card`
`21:00.47`	`Tig\|`	`dent : Ainulindale over on the dev channel has mentioned a bug in todays shr image about GPS but it is simple to fix`
`21:01.11`	`Tig\|`	`he says: opkg remove --force-depends gpsd; opkg install fso-gpsd`
`21:01.25`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: aah. i cannot look onto it right now because i'd have to shutdown the FR for that.`
`21:01.31`	`Tig\|`	`all hail Ainulindale SHR God :)`
`21:01.41`	`tuxi`	`k, could you add it to wiki please`
`21:02.01`	`dent`	`Tig\|: I'm on the dev channell too, I just found that.. thanks for letting me know :)`
`21:02.39`	`Tig\|`	`ah, no worries :) I thought it was odd that I had not had a fix as it only took a couple of mins last time`
`21:03.01`	`dent`	`I'll try and play with GPS on my way back from work...`
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`21:03.22`	`dent`	`working GPS is worth the frozen hands :))`
`21:03.56`	`Wonka`	`mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address d555`
`21:03.56`	`Wonka`	`mmcblk0: mmc0:d555 SU08G 7977472KiB`
`21:04.14`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: hm, that doesn't help much, does it?`
`21:04.24`	`Tig\|`	`dent: just to make absolutely sure I would reboot after you do the change :)`
`21:04.42`	`dent`	`ok`
`21:04.48`	`tuxi`	`not that much, from which manufactur is it?`
`21:05.00`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: must be some sandisk, because that's printed on the included usb reader... and it's a class 4 microsdhc`
`21:05.15`	`Tig\|`	`not a scientific test but a lot of errors vanished after I rebooted after the first flash`
`21:05.37`	`Tig\|`	`mind you I also added a SIM too :)`
`21:07.49`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: sorry to interrupt you, but how well does your card work?`
`21:08.21`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: did you test reading/writing to the whole card?`
`21:08.23`	`Wonka`	`quatrox: i don't know of any problems at the moment`
`21:08.49`	`quatrox`	`hmm`
`21:08.57`	`tuxi`	`have you booted an os from the sd card?`
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`21:09.29`	`quatrox`	`tuxi: I only use sd cards:)`
`21:09.50`	`tuxi`	`well great, but complete name would be even better`
`21:09.52`	`tuxi`	`;-D`
`21:10.16`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: did you notice any crc error messages during init (3-4 lines just before mounting /)?`
`21:10.19`	`Wonka`	`quatrox: i have partitioned it into 100MB /boot, about 1.6GB /, about 250MB swap, and the rest is /media/card; the latter is used for tangogps map image storage and stuff... 2.3 GB are in use there, and i don't remember any problems with that`
`21:10.25`	`Wonka`	`quatrox: yes`
`21:10.41`	`quatrox`	`great:)`
`21:10.45`	`Wonka`	`Waiting 5sec before mounting root device...`
`21:10.45`	`Wonka`	`CRCFAIL 0x1a3f`
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`21:11.00`	`lindi-`	`i think everyone gets that`
`21:11.16`	`lindi-`	`swap? i hope you don't need that :)`
`21:11.24`	`Wonka`	`i do too`
`21:11.49`	`Wonka`	`but better have it than die on OOM`
`21:12.06`	`tuxi`	`http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-MicroSDHC-Ultra-original-Handelsverpackung/dp/B0019O351C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1227647236&sr=1-3`
`21:12.18`	`Wonka`	`things will get slow then, but i can kill stuff via terminal`
`21:12.24`	`tuxi`	`only scandisc sdhc 8gb card with usb reader`
`21:12.49`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: exactly that kind of reader`
`21:13.44`	`quatrox`	`tuxi: I thought it might be worth mentioning: I have to GTA02 here. One can boot with sdhc, the other can not`
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`21:14.02`	`quatrox`	`tuxi: all the software is identical on both`
`21:14.19`	`quatrox`	`tuxi: so I guess you just need to try`
`21:14.41`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: but the number inside the circle seems to be a 6 to me, not a 4; so it's another model.`
`21:14.41`	`quatrox`	`tuxi: but some cards work better than other`
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`21:15.20`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: also, i got an adapter to SD format which is not included in that offer`
`21:15.46`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: it was in the same blister package originally from sandisk`
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`21:16.18`	`tuxi`	`well i think i have just to try`
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`21:18.20`	`Wonka`	`oh my... so many "hidden" germans here...`
`21:18.51`	`quatrox`	`the German underground is huge`
`21:18.54`	`Wonka`	`g`
`21:19.01`	`ronny`	`so ist es!`
`21:19.02`	`tuxi`	`a german can't hide, perhaps we can but only until we order the first beer`
`21:19.28`	`Wonka`	`those *.de hostmask reveal some`
`21:19.37`	`ronny`	`ducks`
`21:19.46`	`Wonka`	`and those *.de URLs some more`
`21:20.00`	`jonkristian`	`Ainulindale: around?`
`21:20.02`	`Wonka`	`beer wouldn't reveal me, because i don't like the stuff`
`21:20.16`	`Ainulindale`	`jonkristian: Yes, saw your ticket, can't do a thing about that`
`21:20.40`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: then at least your IP addr might give a hint:P`
`21:20.42`	`Dave`	`:D`
`21:20.46`	`jonkristian`	`Ainulindale: hah, just posted it, anyways i noticed that it was under your nick.`
`21:21.00`	`Ainulindale`	`Yep`
`21:21.15`	`jonkristian`	`Ok, just thought i'd let you know, in case something was wrong with trac or whatever.`
`21:21.19`	`Dave`	`YES`
`21:21.23`	`Dave`	`gogogo`
`21:21.24`	`jonkristian`	`DAVE!`
`21:21.27`	`jonkristian`	`Dirty Dave`
`21:21.32`	`Dave`	`ja?`
`21:21.36`	`jonkristian`	`:D`
`21:21.37`	`tuxi`	`so it would be the 'a schweinshaxn bitte'`
`21:22.05`	`dent`	`lol :)`
`21:22.13`	`jonkristian`	`Man i wish i could build shr, those damn patches arent working for me:/`
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`21:22.17`	`Wonka`	`quatrox: i have a cloak, afair`
`21:22.37`	`dent`	`jonkristian: I choked on in yesterday too`
`21:22.47`	`Wonka`	`quatrox: stuff like "@wikipedia/$nick"... those you cannot find too easily`
`21:22.53`	`jonkristian`	`dent: hm, ill try again`
`21:23.13`	`Wonka`	`tuxi: "haxn"? ich bin doch kein bazi!`
`21:23.29`	`dent`	`hm, was heisst "bazi"?`
`21:23.34`	`tuxi`	`bayer...`
`21:23.40`	`dent`	`aha :)`
`21:23.43`	`dent`	`yuck anyway`
`21:24.02`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: I didn't even check:P`
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`21:25.51`	`Wonka`	`dent: another one revealed :p`
`21:25.58`	`jonkristian`	`dent: did you get it working then?`
`21:26.14`	`dent`	`Wonka: me? nope. :-P I'm from the savage CZ :)`
`21:26.29`	`dent`	`jonkristian: I gave up :-/ some patches applied, some choked`
`21:26.40`	`Wonka`	`dent: hrm, why do you speak german then? ;)`
`21:26.42`	`dent`	`I guess bothering ppl in #openmoko-cdevel would have yielded some results`
`21:26.50`	`jonkristian`	`dent: I've tried, hehe`
`21:26.53`	`Wonka`	`i know many hungarians learn german... but czechs?`
`21:27.05`	`dent`	`Wonka: I used to suffer throught some german classes back at the hight school :)`
`21:27.36`	`dent`	`nah, here also german is among the commonly studied languages... like second after english`
`21:27.49`	`jonkristian`	`dent: like this? http://rafb.net/p/CBMjE857.html`
`21:28.18`	`Wonka`	`dent: mh... i learned english and latin at school.`
`21:28.20`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: everybody knows a little german`
`21:28.37`	`jonkristian`	`Ja!`
`21:28.39`	`dent`	`Wonka: anyway I have to say that we taught our highschool gemrna teacher more english (she didn't know english in the beginning) than she taught us german... and it's not her fault :)`
`21:29.15`	`Wonka`	`jonkristian: Jawohl!`
`21:29.26`	`Wonka`	`dent: lol`
`21:29.28`	`dent`	`jonkristian: hm, I thought I got less errors, i.e. some patches actually applied, but what do I know`
`21:29.42`	`Wonka`	`quatrox: Rucksack! Kindergarten! Schadenfreude!`
`21:29.50`	`Wonka`	`quatrox: Gesundheit too...`
`21:29.53`	`dent`	`Wonka: shame on me, I had no latin, but yup, latin is also quite common`
`21:29.57`	`jonkristian`	`Die MaÃ¼er`
`21:29.59`	`tuxi`	`so i go to sleep, ... n8`
`21:30.06`	`dent`	`Wonka: sauerkraut! :)`
`21:30.11`	`Wonka`	`jonkristian: without umlauts. "Mauer".`
`21:30.15`	`jonkristian`	`Ah`
`21:30.30`	`jonkristian`	`Wonka: Ã¼berfantasich`
`21:30.31`	`dent`	`eigenvalue and eigenvector...`
`21:30.48`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: I was forced to learn a little German because I used to have german software some time ago`
`21:30.54`	`Wonka`	`http://countyoursheep.com/comics/20081113a.png`
`21:31.13`	`Wonka`	`dent: aaargh, maths!`
`21:31.50`	`Wonka`	`jonkristian: i'd stuff another t in there. "fantastisch".`
`21:32.02`	`dent`	`Wonka: and I recently discovered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwitterion - also german-originated term`
`21:32.16`	`jonkristian`	`Wonka: yeah, that was just a regular typo:)`
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`21:32.54`	`dent`	`is off to test GPS on SRH :)`
`21:32.58`	`Wonka`	`dent: hf`
`21:32.59`	`dent`	`ehm, SHR`
`21:33.21`	`Wonka`	`tries to build some stable-tracking kernel...`
`21:33.47`	`dent`	`well, my hands will freeze off... but that's the price of progress :))`
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`21:41.45`	`rooly1`	`is there any benefit to upgrading from the OM repo's while using qte`
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`22:03.36`	`Dave`	`It's the Virus!`
`22:03.58`	`CVirus`	`indeed`
`22:04.46`	`Dave`	`:)`
`22:04.47`	`jonkristian`	`ping`
`22:04.47`	`jonkristian`	`durn`
`22:04.54`	`spydon`	`pong`
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`22:28.11`	`dent`	`padron me for living under a rock...`
`22:28.22`	`dent`	`but I noticed there's some WSOD fuss`
`22:28.35`	`dent`	`what's that about? (asking as I just received somehting that might be that WSOD)`
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`22:36.35`	`dent`	`ok, I found a sentence on the wiki :)`
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`22:51.02`	`mib_uim1hl`	`hey anyone have androidfs.jffs2 or know where I can donwload`
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`22:54.27`	`mib_uim1hl`	`hello`
`22:56.05`	`jonkristian`	`arh, these patching errors are not fun:/`
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`22:57.04`	`newbee`	`hello`
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`22:58.16`	`zash`	`fun://`
`22:59.01`	`Dave`	`yep`
`22:59.02`	`newbee`	`does anyone know were i could get androidfs.jffs2 I would like to try it out`
`23:01.13`	`newbee`	`:`
`23:01.41`	`newbee`	`?`
`23:02.52`	`newbee`	`does anyone know were i could get androidfs.jffs2 I would like to try it out`
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`23:04.09`	`newbee`	`hi`
`23:04.21`	`jonkristian`	`does anyone know were i could get androidfs.jffs2 I would like to try it out`
`23:05.18`	`jonkristian`	`newbee: ask Dr.Dave, he knows.`
`23:05.37`	`newbee`	`thatks`
`23:05.39`	`tef`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3`
`23:05.54`	`newbee`	`no file has been removed`
`23:06.34`	`jonkristian`	`then it's there`
`23:06.45`	`jonkristian`	`o_O`
`23:06.50`	`tef`	`:s`
`23:08.05`	`newbee`	`I don't see DR.Dave`
`23:08.48`	`jonkristian`	`DAVE!!!`
`23:09.02`	`Wonka`	`hrmf. which kernel tree branch is supposed to be runnable?`
`23:09.23`	`Wonka`	`stable-tracking doesn't boot here every time i try...`
`23:09.37`	`jonkristian`	`Wonka: branch, i don't know, but there's a new image in shr out today.`
`23:09.58`	`jonkristian`	`newbee: im just pulling your leg, i don't know if dave knows.`
`23:10.53`	`Wonka`	`what i am looking for is a) ttySAC1 not eating characters and b) printk with timestamps.`
`23:12.04`	`jonkristian`	`Wonka: did you file a report?`
`23:12.33`	`Wonka`	`jonkristian: no, up to now i only complained here :)`
`23:12.43`	`jonkristian`	`:D`
`23:13.10`	`newbee`	`any one have any ideal were I could download androidfs.jffs2`
`23:13.31`	`jonkristian`	`newbee: dude`
`23:13.54`	`newbee`	`jonkristian: yes`
`23:13.55`	`jonkristian`	`repeating doesn't really help`
`23:14.20`	`Wonka`	`hm, should i be able to upgrade from FSO MS3 to SHR by changing /etc/opkg/* and using opkg?`
`23:14.28`	`jonkristian`	`hm`
`23:14.49`	`newbee`	`jonkristian: I was just asking others`
`23:14.50`	`tef`	`newbee, wait 10 min, upload in progress`
`23:15.06`	`newbee`	`tef: thanks`
`23:16.38`	`tef`	`newbee, but actually no virtual keyboard with android`
`23:17.14`	`zash`	`does android work with an external keyboard`
`23:17.15`	`Dave`	`:)`
`23:17.37`	`Dave`	`How is everyone doing?`
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`23:18.08`	`zash`	`my freezer sounds weird`
`23:18.53`	`Tig\|`	`I wish I could work out why shr does not work with an external keyboard`
`23:20.47`	`zash`	`is there any programs wich lets you use a computer as bluetooth keyboard?`
`23:21.02`	`Tig\|`	`events are generated in dev input 5 etc but must be an x thing, but not had time to investigate more`
`23:21.09`	`newbee`	`tef: I know but need file to try`
`23:21.26`	`Tig\|`	`zash: yes remoko does it well`
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`23:22.14`	`Tig\|`	`ah sorry there is data on the bluetooth page on the wiki`
`23:23.09`	`tef`	`newbee, ok. 5 min`
`23:23.45`	`newbee`	`tef: ok`
`23:25.18`	`newbee`	`tef: glad you are sharing I looked al over net for file`
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`23:27.47`	`tef`	`newbee, np. http://temp.cyberground.org/`
`23:28.17`	`newbee`	`tef: Thanks`
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`23:29.23`	`newbee`	`thanks all talk later`
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`23:33.55`	`Wonka`	`hrm, still rxerrs...`
`23:33.55`	`Wonka`	`Nov 26 00:27:42 localhost vmunix: rxerr: port ch=0xf1, rxs=0x00000001`
`23:33.55`	`Wonka`	`Nov 26 00:28:03 localhost vmunix: rxerr: port ch=0xb5, rxs=0x00000001`
`23:34.07`	`Wonka`	`with that SHR kernel from yesterday`
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`23:40.42`	`jonkristian`	`hm`
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`23:52.56`	`jonkristian-fr`	`cool`
`23:53.36`	`Dave`	`:D`
`23:53.40`	`jonkristian`	`:D`
`23:54.04`	`Dave`	`jonkristians!`
`23:54.23`	`jonkristian-fr`	`yaay`
`23:55.04`	`jonkristian-fr`	`irssi port would be bettar than pidgin tho`
`23:55.14`	`jonkristian`	`indeed`
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