IRC log for #openmoko on 20081124

`00:02.29`	`raster`	`Fougner: uboot splash?`
`00:04.37`	`Dave`	`om splash`
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`00:04.45`	`Dave`	`unless he means uboot?`
`00:04.50`	`Dave`	`o_O`
`00:05.07`	`Dave`	`uninstall uboot?`
`00:05.13`	`Dave`	`install Qi`
`00:05.14`	`Dave`	`:p`
`00:06.25`	`Fougner`	`ah`
`00:06.34`	`Fougner`	`maybe I have to reflash uboot`
`00:07.22`	`mwester`	`Why???`
`00:07.40`	`Dave`	`WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?`
`00:07.42`	`Dave`	`rolls his eyes`
`00:08.24`	`mwester`	`I wouldn't recommend Qi at this point yet`
`00:08.30`	`Dave`	`not yet, huh?`
`00:08.36`	`Dave`	`I've heard a couple success stories`
`00:08.42`	`Dave`	`(and nothing else) :p`
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`00:10.15`	`gurugentoo`	`ok, so with the volume nice and low, I think I'm finally happy with the sound quality on the other end`
`00:10.27`	`Dave`	`:)`
`00:12.35`	`kd8ikt`	`dave!`
`00:12.39`	`Dave`	`Yes?`
`00:12.56`	`kd8ikt`	`No!`
`00:13.07`	`Dave`	`rolls his eyes at kd8ikt`
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`00:16.54`	`Fougner`	`Dave!`
`00:17.20`	`kd8ikt`	`smells`
`00:17.39`	`Fougner`	`haha`
`00:17.59`	`Tig\|`	`I would have though Dave would be in bed by now`
`00:18.18`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4817 10/developers/werner/myroot/werner.init: Don't wipe out /etc/fstab ...`
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`00:19.18`	`Dave`	`o_o`
`00:20.18`	`sicu`	`0_0`
`00:21.46`	`Tig\|`	`-_-`
`00:22.54`	`kd8ikt`	`>_>`
`00:23.09`	`kd8ikt`	`<_<`
`00:23.16`	`kd8ikt`	`got any pot?`
`00:23.40`	`raster`	`no`
`00:23.47`	`Dave`	`raster's got e :P`
`00:23.49`	`raster`	`but i got yo momma`
`00:24.02`	`raster`	`e's good`
`00:24.12`	`raster`	`i do e every day`
`00:24.14`	`raster`	`all day`
`00:24.18`	`Dave`	`:D`
`00:24.21`	`Dave`	`we hope so ;P`
`00:27.00`	`Tig\|`	`I have to say SHRtesting is flirting with being a basically usable phone :0`
`00:27.33`	`mwester`	`Kinda scarey isn't it? :D`
`00:27.38`	`Tig\|`	`yeah`
`00:27.58`	`Tig\|`	`I stopped playing with it after a bit as it was a phone`
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`00:29.24`	`white_gecko`	`hello`
`00:29.35`	`raster`	`gad damn no!`
`00:29.39`	`raster`	`how dare it be a phone!`
`00:30.01`	`white_gecko`	`is it possible to just use the debian packages for arm and install them into the toolchein directory instead compiling every lib on my own?`
`00:31.27`	`Tig\|`	`raster: Illume looks and behaves wonderfully :) I think the whole OM ecosystem would be stuffed without it, thank you :)`
`00:31.55`	`raster`	`:)`
`00:31.59`	`Tig\|`	`white_gecko: not an expert but there are different arm versions`
`00:32.00`	`raster`	`it5 could be much better`
`00:32.28`	`Tig\|`	`raster: in that case, back to work! :)`
`00:33.07`	`Dave`	`cracks his whip`
`00:34.04`	`Tig\|`	`created a py-etk app the other day, it put a big button on the screen and did fuck all, shame really it was supposed to power on bluetooth and connect my keyboard..... back to the drawing board :)`
`00:36.21`	`Dave`	`hehe, cute`
`00:36.25`	`Dave`	`nice attempt, TIG :)`
`00:36.33`	`Dave`	`You're on the right track!`
`00:38.57`	`Tig\|`	`networks, servers not a problem, obscure bugs and random shit no issue. proper programming? fuckup :)`
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`00:40.46`	`Tig\|`	`I am a lego sysadmin, I can make things out of blocks of components and on occasions get a knife and glue and wedge bits of blocks together. I can't make a block from scratch though :(`
`00:41.35`	`raster`	`hands Tig\| some sillyputty`
`00:42.07`	`Tig\|`	`oh don't I drove my co-workers up the wall with that as I kept boucing it off the desk :)`
`00:42.46`	`Tig\|`	`also you can distract people on conversations by stretching it out slowly :)`
`00:42.55`	`Dave`	`OM ball?`
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`00:44.12`	`Tig\|`	`an OM ball would be a tetrahedron but is ok as the community can make the sanding tools :P`
`00:44.31`	`Dave`	`:P`
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`00:47.52`	`Tig\|`	`that reminds me I need to change the ringtone and SMS alert tone on my phone so I wont look like a right tit in public :)`
`00:48.28`	`Tig\|`	`(obv. joke, well it will remove the phone from the equation... " )`
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`00:57.53`	`white_gecko`	`there is no libbz2 in the toolchain`
`00:58.15`	`white_gecko`	`:-(`
`00:59.40`	`white_gecko`	`there are many libs missing, which I need`
`01:00.26`	`white_gecko`	`i there an easier way then compiling every lib on my own and figure out, how to compile it first`
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`01:03.11`	`mwester`	`white_gecko: if you need stuff beyond the toolchain, then you need to set up the full build environment to build the distro you target.`
`01:04.25`	`white_gecko`	`hm i just want to build one single programm`
`01:04.52`	`white_gecko`	`is it possible to copy libs from the phone to the toolchain?`
`01:05.01`	`white_gecko`	`or to install opkgs into the toolchein`
`01:05.06`	`white_gecko`	`chain`
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`01:09.10`	`Dave`	`oh yeah, and raster`
`01:09.20`	`Dave`	`What's with the no use of the AUX key?`
`01:10.36`	`sicu`	`AUX is for pussies`
`01:10.48`	`sicu`	`infact all HW buttons are out !`
`01:11.23`	`Dave`	`>:o`
`01:11.30`	`raster`	`dont look at me`
`01:11.37`	`Dave`	`okay raster`
`01:11.38`	`raster`	`by default aux and power are bound`
`01:11.47`	`raster`	`its an oe issue that x doesnt generate any key eventsa`
`01:12.00`	`Dave`	`oh really? lame.`
`01:12.04`	`Dave`	`that sucks!`
`01:12.07`	`Tig\|`	`raster is this a recent change?`
`01:12.42`	`Tig\|`	`is this why my BT keyboard does not work with SHRt ? no keybindings`
`01:13.01`	`Tig\|`	`or could this be`
`01:14.20`	`Tig\|`	`another investigation for tomorrow :)`
`01:14.22`	`Dave`	`unlikely`
`01:14.27`	`white_gecko`	`there is opkg-cl in the toolchain, what does it do? there is no man-page`
`01:14.39`	`raster`	`no`
`01:14.49`	`raster`	`on openmokoe's asu (2008.x) x produces keystrokes`
`01:14.53`	`raster`	`on oe(fso) it doesnt`
`01:15.01`	`raster`	`i have never gotten the time to check why`
`01:15.51`	`Tig\|`	`so I should be looking at X then`
`01:15.58`	`Dave`	`Raster :(`
`01:16.02`	`Dave`	`that sounds pretty major to me...`
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`01:16.27`	`Dave`	`bribes raster with a five dollar bill`
`01:16.29`	`Tig\|`	`Dave: yeah but is hardly Raster's department`
`01:16.40`	`Dave`	`yeah well...`
`01:16.53`	`Tig\|`	`and Raster is doing this off his own money now not OM`
`01:17.05`	`Dave`	`not entirely`
`01:18.27`	`Tig\|`	`anyhoo I am connecting via hidd keypresses should be going somewhere`
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`01:23.00`	`Dave`	`Tig, and it's not going anywhere?`
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`01:24.47`	`slaxxin`	`i have put 3 microsd cards under shr now with all three segmentation faults`
`01:26.33`	`mwester`	`Er, programs seg fault, not cards.`
`01:26.33`	`Dave`	`:P`
`01:26.45`	`Tig\|`	`Dave: tbh not started debugging it yet, it connects and registers but nothing happens. Will be looking at it during the week`
`01:27.11`	`Dave`	`that's what I had :(`
`01:27.15`	`Dave`	`:\`
`01:27.19`	`Fougner`	`Dave!`
`01:27.20`	`mwester`	`slaxxin: what are you trying to do?`
`01:28.07`	`Fougner`	`scratches his head`
`01:28.13`	`raster`	`mwester: its a new kind of card! it can segv! advanced eh?`
`01:28.14`	`raster`	`:)`
`01:28.21`	`slaxxin`	`well 2 of them i can not read in ubuntu an the 3rd i can read`
`01:28.30`	`Fougner`	`oh god it's late :O`
`01:28.47`	`Dave`	`hah`
`01:29.04`	`slaxxin`	`tried to fdisk in shr an seg fault`
`01:29.26`	`mwester`	`slaxxin: fdisk in all recent images is broken -- bad version of busybox.`
`01:29.54`	`slaxxin`	`fdisk /dev/mmcblk0`
`01:29.59`	`slaxxin`	`ok`
`01:30.01`	`slaxxin`	`ic`
`01:30.53`	`mwester`	`Yep. fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 will work, but fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 segfaults. Same problem on FSO, same problem even on SlugOS on totally different hardware (but uses same Busybox built with OE)`
`01:34.32`	`slaxxin`	`so what can i do to those 2 cards that wont show up?`
`01:35.43`	`slaxxin`	`card reader showes nothing`
`01:36.45`	`mwester`	`Are they SDHC and does your card reader support SDHC cards?`
`01:38.16`	`slaxxin`	`it just says msd`
`01:38.24`	`slaxxin`	`:)`
`01:40.38`	`mwester`	`how big are the cards`
`01:41.06`	`slaxxin`	`kingston 4 gig`
`01:41.14`	`mwester`	`SDHC then`
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`01:41.32`	`mwester`	`SD can only do up to 2GB`
`01:41.50`	`mwester`	`older card readers that can't do SDHC can't read any cards > 2GB`
`01:41.56`	`slaxxin`	`ok`
`01:42.02`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:42.06`	`mwester`	`(although it is possible for there to be a 1 or 2GB SDHC, I beilieve`
`01:42.06`	`mwester`	`)`
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`01:45.16`	`Fougner`	`mwester, you the man!!!!!`
`01:47.57`	`Dave`	`:D`
`01:51.05`	`Fougner`	`Dave! =D`
`01:53.08`	`Dave`	`Excited to see me, again?`
`01:53.30`	`Fougner`	`Yeah! really =D`
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`01:58.25`	`Dave`	`:P`
`01:58.28`	`Dave`	`Well hi there :p`
`02:00.07`	`CVirus`	`hai`
`02:02.06`	`Dave`	`:p`
`02:09.18`	`slaxxin`	`how about a good version of busybox would that break shr?`
`02:14.05`	`Fougner`	`Dave! )D`
`02:14.06`	`Fougner`	`=D`
`02:14.07`	`Fougner`	`hi dave`
`02:14.28`	`Dave`	`GREETINGS`
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`02:39.45`	`Fougner`	`bah`
`02:39.48`	`Fougner`	`goodnight :LD`
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`02:48.37`	`Dave`	`Ken!`
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`02:54.43`	`KenYoung`	`Hi Dave.`
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`03:06.23`	`slaxxin`	`the debian installer restarted atleast 7 times but has started installing on that flash card that was borked`
`03:06.33`	`slaxxin`	`yay`
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`03:48.13`	`slaxxin`	`doom for debian`
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`04:06.10`	`slaxxin`	`anybody have the latest debian?`
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`04:20.14`	`Dave`	`:o`
`04:23.55`	`slaxxin`	`when using vfat as filesystem for the first microSD card`
`04:23.55`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:23.55`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:23.55`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:23.59`	`Dave`	`nice`
`04:24.21`	`slaxxin`	`spammage`
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`05:46.59`	`ajuonline`	`alephnull:`
`05:47.09`	`alephnull`	`Yes ?`
`05:47.24`	`ajuonline`	`i am in bangalore :)`
`05:48.56`	`alephnull`	`There was no response to my post on the list. I might not go after all.`
`05:49.15`	`ajuonline`	`alephnull: but theres you me and f3ew`
`05:49.32`	`ajuonline`	`and harald is already downstairs :P in the same hotel`
`05:49.34`	`ajuonline`	`i am in`
`05:49.41`	`f3ew`	`lands today evening`
`05:50.41`	`alephnull`	`In that case, I am in too. I thought you guys weren't interested. I didn't get an reply from Harald either ...`
`05:51.26`	`ajuonline`	`alephnull: harald might of course be busy`
`05:51.32`	`ajuonline`	`but we can pull him in ;)`
`05:51.33`	`f3ew`	`Oh, I confirmed in IRC, doing the whole double confirmation thing makes no sense`
`05:51.44`	`f3ew`	`We catch him when he is free`
`05:52.06`	`ajuonline`	`right`
`05:52.44`	`alephnull`	`I don't have enough free time to come on all the days. How does wed (26th) sound ?`
`05:53.19`	`ajuonline`	`alephnull: i have my workout that day`
`05:53.48`	`alephnull`	`Ok, which day then ?`
`05:53.54`	`ajuonline`	`and i might have to leave early that day as wel.`
`05:53.57`	`ajuonline`	`make it the next day?`
`05:54.09`	`alephnull`	`Thu (27th) ?`
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`05:54.16`	`f3ew`	`Fine by me`
`05:54.26`	`f3ew`	`I am there till Saturday lunch`
`05:55.01`	`ajuonline`	`ok`
`05:55.11`	`ajuonline`	`thursday it is then`
`05:55.23`	`ajuonline`	`rechecks schedule to confirm`
`05:55.25`	`alephnull`	`It's a date then. Thu 27th.`
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`06:01.49`	`slaxxin`	`We are having an internal debate regarding the release now, so there is not much I can say about this at the moment.`
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`06:09.41`	`rooly`	`hello peoples`
`06:09.52`	`rooly`	`mwester, where is that page of yours with all the kernels?`
`06:12.20`	`alephnull`	`f3ew: How will we find you ?`
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`06:13.40`	`ajuonline`	`alephnull: the one who's an odd one out`
`06:13.41`	`ajuonline`	`:P`
`06:13.50`	`ajuonline`	`we can always make out who f3ew is in the crowd :D`
`06:13.52`	`ajuonline`	`runs`
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`06:49.55`	`alephnull`	`ajuonline: ok`
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`07:27.50`	`f3ew`	`alephnull, just ask`
`07:27.54`	`f3ew`	`is fairly well known`
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`07:44.15`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03tick * r4818 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (6 files in 2 dirs):`
`07:44.15`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: opkg: add a simple way to pass a path environment for pre/post scription execution when in offline mode.`
`07:44.15`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: Thanks for Christopher Hall <hsw@openmoko.com>`
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`07:58.03`	`elserpiente`	`peace`
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`08:01.25`	`rooly`	`christ`
`08:01.30`	`rooly`	`why did they ever leave 2007.2?`
`08:05.54`	`SpeedEvil`	`AIUI because someone thought ASU would be magic, and fix everything.`
`08:06.05`	`rooly`	`i know, i know`
`08:06.34`	`rooly`	`i betcha they watched the video blog of the guy wo titled it "openmoko train wreck"`
`08:06.36`	`rooly`	`...`
`08:06.51`	`rooly`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk&NR=1`
`08:07.12`	`rooly`	`seriously, i'd like to kill somebody after watching someone make such a mockery of the human race`
`08:07.46`	`rooly`	`iphone != competitor to freerunner...`
`08:09.19`	`rooly`	`power button ... equivalent of iphone menu button... right`
`08:10.31`	`zash`	`Lets se you open a terminal on nonjailraped iphone ;)`
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`08:12.27`	`rooly`	`woo`
`08:12.45`	`rooly`	`okay, lets see how 2007.2 works with an upgraded kernel and suspend stack`
`08:13.06`	`Dave`	`:D!`
`08:13.07`	`Dave`	`yay`
`08:13.22`	`ajuonline`	`can i use the FR as a gsm modem connected to my PC ?`
`08:13.29`	`rooly`	`you sure can`
`08:13.30`	`ajuonline`	`and access it using AT commands et al?`
`08:13.35`	`rooly`	`its called tethering`
`08:13.38`	`rooly`	`look it up in the wiki`
`08:13.39`	`ajuonline`	`ok`
`08:13.42`	`elserpiente`	`ajuonline : i use`
`08:13.42`	`ajuonline`	`thanks :)`
`08:13.44`	`elserpiente`	`:)`
`08:14.22`	`rooly`	`well`
`08:14.25`	`rooly`	`its not perfect`
`08:14.29`	`rooly`	`but it suits my needs`
`08:14.43`	`rooly`	`is tangenting here, btw`
`08:15.12`	`rooly`	`maybe i'm the only one, but the PHONE part of 2007.2 just seems to work better`
`08:15.30`	`rooly`	`more consistent in operation, less crashing, etc`
`08:15.35`	`rooly`	`dunno why`
`08:15.56`	`rooly`	`okay, now for a stress test on the battery`
`08:15.56`	`rooly`	`nn`
`08:17.05`	`Dave`	`yeah :)`
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`08:22.19`	`elserpiente`	`who know quick access to fs of FR from M$?`
`08:23.22`	`rooly`	`you can use putty's psftp program`
`08:23.40`	`rooly`	`but alas, i am asleep`
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`08:23.57`	`Dave`	`tests rooly's resume functionality`
`08:25.08`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rb688012b25b6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update om-settings to latest.`
`08:29.14`	`elserpiente`	`hm, it`
`08:29.33`	`elserpiente`	`difficult use cmnd line to access to fs`
`08:30.14`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03erin 07org.openmoko.dev * rcb117986c8ff 10/packages/python/ (python-lightblue_0.3.3.bb python-pybluez_0.14.bb): create python-lightblue bb recipe and update python-pybluez to version 0.14`
`08:30.14`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03erin 07org.openmoko.dev * rbda965a6a00f 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add python-lightblue 0.33 and python-pybluez 0.14`
`08:30.49`	`elserpiente`	`running Ubuntu on VM and do access to fs via shell link of mc, but speed too slow :(`
`08:33.43`	`gromez`	`elserpiente: winscp ?`
`08:33.59`	`elserpiente`	`url?`
`08:34.05`	`gromez`	`google`
`08:34.10`	`elserpiente`	`lol`
`08:34.26`	`elserpiente`	`will try`
`08:34.34`	`gromez`	`it shoulb be winscp.sf.net`
`08:34.46`	`gromez`	`s/shoulb/should/`
`08:34.57`	`henk`	`winscp.net afair`
`08:35.09`	`elserpiente`	`thanks, already found`
`08:35.16`	`elserpiente`	`going to try`
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`08:37.56`	`elserpiente`	`wow there is far plugin, cool`
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`08:43.02`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03erin 07org.openmoko.dev * rdcba56a40f80 10/packages/python/python-lightblue_0.3.3.bb: remove libopenobex dependency in python-lightblue recipe`
`08:44.12`	`elserpiente`	`cool, i'm inside`
`08:44.19`	`elserpiente`	`thanks, guys`
`08:46.26`	`elserpiente`	`0.o speed 60 KBps, is it normal? Guess access via wifi will be much faster`
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`08:48.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`scp over usb should hit 500k/s+`
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`08:50.51`	`elserpiente`	`actually i copy file to mounted SDHC, but just tried copy file to root dir, the speed is 150KBps`
`08:51.31`	`henk`	`1.5MBit / 8 = x`
`08:51.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`would check his benchmarks, but is having not booting problems. (though I have a neo1973)`
`08:52.03`	`elserpiente`	`!math 1.5*1024/8.0`
`08:52.33`	`elserpiente`	`result 192`
`08:53.50`	`henk`	`so 150 is close to the maximum speed possible with usb 1.1`
`08:53.59`	`elserpiente`	`i see`
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`08:54.33`	`elserpiente`	`hm, is access via wifi should be faster?`
`08:54.49`	`zash`	`~50 Mbps?`
`08:54.52`	`zash`	`or what is it`
`08:54.55`	`henk`	`possible`
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`08:55.56`	`zash`	`wiki says b/g`
`08:56.43`	`zash`	`and g is supposed to be 54Mbps`
`08:57.45`	`elserpiente`	`is FSO have wifi gui apps?`
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`09:04.45`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rd10a69e11287 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): Made TCP address configurable`
`09:07.43`	`KenSentMe`	`Does anyone if there are new Android images available? It seems like Sean McNeil's aren't atm.`
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`09:17.30`	`kd8ikt`	`yet`
`09:18.50`	`KenSentMe`	`kd8ikt, i know, but i want it for testing purposes`
`09:20.17`	`Hopscotch`	`good morning`
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`09:35.30`	`ajuonline`	`elserpiente: do you use your pc to access the FR as a modem?`
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`10:36.50`	`mokel1`	how can i use pthreads in c for openmoko? i get always: undefined reference to `pthread_create'
`10:40.26`	`lindi-`	`mokel1: just like on your PC`
`10:40.32`	`lindi-`	`mokel1: -lpthread`
`10:40.42`	`max_posedon`	`mokel1, -lpthreads?`
`10:40.42`	`mokel1`	`but how to integrate in the makefile`
`10:40.50`	`mokel1`	`i used the sample project`
`10:41.03`	`lindi-`	`some openmoko specific?`
`10:41.14`	`max_posedon`	`LDFLAGS=-lpthread`
`10:41.22`	`mokel1`	`ok, thanks`
`10:41.43`	`max_posedon`	`(if you use "classic" Makefile structure of course)`
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`10:50.29`	`frojnd`	`Hum. Is there a way to get openmoko chipper than it's original prise ?`
`10:50.35`	`frojnd`	`I'm out of money :S`
`10:50.54`	`Lijian`	`buy a secondhand one.`
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`10:51.18`	`frojnd`	`And since I just love learning c++ I'd like to participate for OM..`
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`10:51.56`	`Lijian`	`This is not a openmoko shop,maybe.`
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`10:52.27`	`frojnd`	`Lijian: where can I buy a secondhand one`
`10:52.47`	`frojnd`	`I suppose it has to be near me. Near Slovenia or at least Austria..`
`10:53.39`	`max_posedon`	`ebay?) Or you can wait until gta03 will out, and many people will sell theirs gta02)`
`10:54.17`	`frojnd`	`but gta03 is upgraded hardware ?`
`10:54.32`	`max_posedon`	`btw, you can just use gta02 emulator, if you want only have practice on programming`
`10:54.37`	`max_posedon`	`yes.`
`10:55.13`	`frojnd`	`max_posedon: gta02 emulator :) How does this look.`
`10:55.43`	`max_posedon`	`qemu with some specific pathes`
`10:55.55`	`max_posedon`	`patches`
`10:57.31`	`frojnd`	`max_posedon: \| qemu \| Universal CPU emulator \| package`
`10:57.45`	`frojnd`	`where do I get patches`
`10:58.11`	`max_posedon`	`I don't know, check the wiki at openmoko.org.`
`10:58.18`	`lindi-`	`svn.openmoko.org i think`
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`10:59.17`	`Lijian`	`gta01 was dead :(`
`11:01.38`	`Lijian`	`However,was the leader.`
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`12:29.00`	`Hire`	`someone has a link for the android's image?`
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`12:41.15`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r70b9fdd0f86a 10/packages/meta/distro-feed-configs.bb: distro-feed-configs.bb: fix upgrade path from Om2008.9`
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`12:46.40`	`mokolade`	`Hire, the last image from sean_mcneil was broken and removed after a few days`
`12:47.01`	`mokolade`	`Hire, the image from befora that I uploaded to rapidshare some time ago. You can find it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/164723347/androidfs-20081110.jffs2.html`
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`13:08.23`	`Hire`	`mokolade: how much is old?`
`13:08.26`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03tony_tu * r4819 10/developers/tony_tu/certification/fcc_test/ (111 files in 9 dirs): Openmoko-agpsui2 mod for FCC certification use. Initial check-in for backup.`
`13:09.29`	`Hire`	`mokolade: and it is possible to test google maps?`
`13:09.42`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rba210b227e40 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-openmoko_1.0.bb: initscripts-openmoko_1.0.bb: change to RPROVIDES_${PN}`
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`13:11.24`	`mokolade`	`Hire: Not all functions are workings, such as wifi. So you can not test google maps`
`13:12.20`	`Hire`	`:/`
`13:12.50`	`Hire`	`do you know when sean_mcneil release a new image?`
`13:13.02`	`mokolade`	`The rumors say they are going to release a new beta port of android first week of december. Maybe things start working then.`
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`13:22.19`	`mokel1`	`what dbus commands do i have to send, to register to gsm network?`
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`13:22.52`	`mirko-paroli`	`mokel1: using fso?`
`13:22.56`	`mokel1`	`yes`
`13:23.16`	`mirko-paroli`	`mokel1: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Tutorials/GSM_python`
`13:23.38`	`mirko-paroli`	`mokel1: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Tutorials/GSM_python#Turning_the_antenna_on to be precise`
`13:23.46`	`mokel1`	`a, thanks`
`13:23.57`	`mokel1`	`now i will try this in c ^^`
`13:24.01`	`mirko-paroli`	`hope it helps ;)`
`13:24.28`	`mokel1`	`looks good`
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`13:49.08`	`wd`	`ÑÐµÑÑ`
`13:49.12`	`wd`	`ÐµÑÑÑ Ð¶Ðµ`
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`13:57.46`	`b0ib0t2`	`hi`
`13:57.52`	`b0ib0t2`	`flashed to the latest qtopia`
`13:57.54`	`b0ib0t2`	`^^`
`13:58.05`	`b0ib0t2`	`gprs doesent work yet tho :(`
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`13:58.21`	`b0ib0t2`	`cant wait till i can tether this bad boy to my laptop`
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`14:39.51`	`baba_melone`	`Hi, any QtExtended users here?`
`14:40.38`	`max_posedon`	`yep`
`14:40.39`	`henk`	`yes`
`14:40.56`	`henk`	`baba_melone: are you doing a statistic?`
`14:41.04`	`mokel1`	`:)`
`14:41.14`	`mokel1`	`ok, contra vote: no`
`14:41.33`	`henk`	`mokel1: he didn't ask 'are you using qte?' ;)`
`14:41.59`	`henk`	`i'm not using it, i just suspected there is at least one qte user here, so yes is correct 'g'`
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`14:43.17`	`baba_melone`	`are there any feeds for freerunner available yet`
`14:43.25`	`baba_melone`	`for qtextended`
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`14:46.18`	`mokel1`	`can i turn off gps of the framework? it doesnt work for me and i want to install the original gpsd`
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`14:57.15`	`lindi-`	`mokel1: yes`
`14:57.22`	`mokel1`	`how?`
`14:57.35`	`mokel1`	`in frameworkd.conf?`
`14:58.03`	`lindi-`	`yes, disable = 1`
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`14:58.11`	`mokel1`	`oh, cool, thanks`
`14:58.44`	`mokel1`	`is there a docu of all options of the framework?`
`14:59.34`	`jonkristian`	`regarding shr, do i need to reflash for each snapshot, or can i stay up to date with opkg update && opkg upgrade?`
`14:59.55`	`mokel1`	`jonkristian: i think upgrade ist enough`
`15:00.15`	`jonkristian`	`is or isn't?`
`15:00.27`	`mokel1`	`is`
`15:00.32`	`jonkristian`	`ok`
`15:00.34`	`mokel1`	`sorry, ist = german is ^^`
`15:00.35`	`lindi-`	`mokel1: other than the source? ;)`
`15:00.45`	`mokel1`	`yes`
`15:00.46`	`lindi-`	`mokel1: it's changing so fast that the documentation would be out of date anyway`
`15:00.49`	`mokel1`	`mmh`
`15:00.51`	`mokel1`	`not good`
`15:01.38`	`b0ib0t2`	`i'm using qtextended`
`15:01.40`	`jonkristian`	`how is music playback on android, anybody know?`
`15:01.52`	`b0ib0t2`	`just flashed it on last night`
`15:01.58`	`b0ib0t2`	`was a toss up between debian and qte`
`15:01.59`	`jonkristian`	`ouch, fdisk segfault:/`
`15:02.32`	`b0ib0t2`	`who uses deb?`
`15:02.46`	`lindi-`	`b0ib0t2: i use debian`
`15:03.26`	`henk`	`i flashed hackable (debian-based) on mine yesterday... but i'll probably just use debian too.`
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`15:04.15`	`lindi-`	`my biggest issue right now is that wlan is not stable, no distro is going to help with that :/`
`15:05.10`	`Weiss`	`lindi-: big improvements in that area on their way with the new kernel i think..`
`15:05.40`	`lindi-`	`Weiss: with the vanilla sdio stack?`
`15:06.24`	`Weiss`	`yeah`
`15:06.50`	`lindi-`	`Weiss: ok, then i probably should start experimenting with it`
`15:06.52`	`Weiss`	`or maybe the stability isn't affected.. i don't really know`
`15:06.58`	`lindi-`	`ah, have you used it?`
`15:07.11`	`Weiss`	`not yet - i'm going to start playing soon though`
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`15:13.15`	`b0ib0t2`	`lindi-, how do you feel qte and debian compare?`
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`15:26.37`	`jonkristian`	`mokolade: you are using android?`
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`15:28.38`	`lindi-`	`b0ib0t2: have not used qte`
`15:28.45`	`mokolade`	`jonkristian: no, it's not yet fully functional on the freerunner. besides, google is evil, so I'll probably never use it :)`
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`15:29.04`	`jonkristian`	`mokolade: why is google evil?`
`15:29.05`	`b0ib0t2`	`google is evil I agree`
`15:29.11`	`rooly`	`qte is slowly creeping up to the quality of 2007.2`
`15:29.26`	`b0ib0t2`	`i was excited to see qte had a browser`
`15:29.26`	`rooly`	`aside from the sim read/write capability at least`
`15:29.39`	`mokolade`	`jonkristian: well, thats just my opinion ;)`
`15:29.40`	`rooly`	`b0ib0t2: it looks like your standard phone browser`
`15:29.47`	`jonkristian`	`are there newer images than qte 4.4.2 ?`
`15:30.00`	`b0ib0t2`	`however, if i set gprs to always on, qte locks up, just as qt did back in the day`
`15:30.03`	`rooly`	`no, thats the newest`
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`15:32.04`	`jonkristian`	`i wish audio playback on shr would be as good as in fso`
`15:32.31`	`rooly`	`still touts the 2007.2`
`15:32.44`	`rooly`	`i've got a copy still if anyone wants it`
`15:32.48`	`jonkristian`	`rooly: i want`
`15:32.53`	`rooly`	`i'll put it up`
`15:32.57`	`jonkristian`	`cool`
`15:33.13`	`jonkristian`	`Haven't tested 2007.2 since when i first got the fr`
`15:33.27`	`b0ib0t2`	`rooly: url?`
`15:34.03`	`rooly`	`working`
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`15:39.10`	`rooly`	`it will be here: http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/rooly/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 i'll tell you when its done`
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`15:40.46`	`rooly`	`its more accurately the 2007.11 image that still uses gtk`
`15:41.00`	`rooly`	`you'll need to upgrade your kernel and modules from mwester's site`
`15:41.18`	`jonkristian`	`ok, latest kernel and modules from mwester?`
`15:41.23`	`rooly`	`yes`
`15:41.34`	`rooly`	`suspend/resume works beautifully`
`15:41.49`	`rooly`	`the first time, it may go a little slow tho`
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`15:42.25`	`rooly`	`you'll have to setup the repositories on your own tho`
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`15:44.41`	`b0ib0t2`	`irrlicht?`
`15:44.44`	`b0ib0t2`	`you a 3d coder?`
`15:44.49`	`jonkristian`	`done?`
`15:45.03`	`rooly`	`game programmer / almost, about 3 minutes`
`15:45.19`	`b0ib0t2`	`same here, game programmer`
`15:45.45`	`b0ib0t2`	`not professionaly..`
`15:46.10`	`rooly`	`not professionally either, but only because i'm in school for some reason`
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`15:46.21`	`Zorkman`	`make us a cool racegame with acceleromters then :)`
`15:46.27`	`rooly`	`i was considering it`
`15:46.40`	`Zorkman`	`stop considering ;)`
`15:46.45`	`rooly`	`i still need to get irrlicht working better on the FR`
`15:47.59`	`rooly`	`ntm, i'd probably be shunned from package deployment since i don't agree with the project leads that 2007.x was the best version`
`15:48.13`	`rooly`	`done`
`15:48.14`	`rooly`	`http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/rooly/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2`
`15:48.54`	`rooly`	`gotta go`
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`15:50.07`	`b0ib0t2`	`HA! I wont believe irrlicht runs on FR till I see it`
`15:50.13`	`b0ib0t2`	`I call BS`
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`15:52.46`	`b0ib0t2`	`unless the whitepapers were released for the gpu in the FR and I didnt hear about it, Irrlicht will not run on FR`
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`15:54.12`	`Weiss`	`b0ib0t2: you're aware of the community project to work on OpenGL drivers for Glamo?`
`15:54.42`	`Weiss`	`the documentation is being released under NDA to the community members involved`
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`16:01.05`	`prjktdtnt`	`Weiss: lets hope something comes of it too!`
`16:01.26`	`Zorkman`	`indeed`
`16:01.34`	`Weiss`	`yeah`
`16:01.55`	`Weiss`	`at the very least, there'll be community documentation available like what was originally promised (but noone at OM had time to do themselves)`
`16:02.03`	`prjktdtnt`	`now if we do get better drivers theoretically the 2D would run faster too correct?`
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`16:02.38`	`Pyrasi`	`hi all`
`16:02.43`	`jonkristian`	`holla`
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`16:02.47`	`Weiss`	`2D stuff is already accelerated "as much as possible" (see some of Raster's posts on OM-Community for details)`
`16:02.47`	`prjktdtnt`	`hello Pyrasi`
`16:03.08`	`Zorkman`	`Weiss: but what is causing the slow scrolling???`
`16:03.11`	`prjktdtnt`	`Weiss: gotta catch up on the om-com list, have a few hundred threads in my mailbox i need to read lol`
`16:03.22`	`Weiss`	`but i think a good way to go could be to use OpenGL at quite a low level for major parts of the UI - making the GPU really work for us`
`16:03.31`	`DocScrutinizer`	`Dave: booooh :-O`
`16:03.54`	`Weiss`	`Zorkman: of what in particular? Raster said that EFL does a complete redraw for some scrolling for various reasons`
`16:03.56`	`prjktdtnt`	`Weiss: would be nice to see some replacement apps for the QT apps that are in OM200x`
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`16:04.31`	`Weiss`	`the disadvantage is that 3D acceleration only works with a smaller framebuffer :(`
`16:04.58`	`prjktdtnt`	`i stopped using it because the buzzing noise has become worse over the past few updates and because text messaging SUCKS with the current messaging app, since i have no programming knowledge and there aren't any actual bugs I'm seeing I just have to wait and test stuff when it becomes available`
`16:05.01`	`Weiss`	`so we're basically limited to QVGA (the resolution will go higher, but then it won't scale nicely onto the LCD)`
`16:05.09`	`Pyrasi`	`so I have debian installed on my GTA02 right now, and installed enlightenment for it yesterday...and it seems very nice and responsive, but I have noticed that all gtk applications look terrible when running e....is there something i can change to fix this? When i was just using x w/ fbpanel everything looked fine...`
`16:05.27`	`Zorkman`	`i can live with qvga games :)`
`16:06.29`	`Weiss`	`Pyrasi: terrible in what way? i found i had to play with theming a little (in OM-testing)`
`16:06.55`	`Weiss`	`Zorkman: could you live with QVGA everything? i've been wondering if perhaps that's the way to do, to get major acceleration everywhere`
`16:07.16`	`Weiss`	`way to go*`
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`16:07.33`	`Weiss`	`i.e. doing all the icons as textured quads and making them fly around the screen`
`16:08.16`	`Zorkman`	`Weiss: android and qt can have nice graphics with very decent speed`
`16:08.24`	`Zorkman`	`why would we need to lower resolution to do the same?`
`16:08.41`	`Weiss`	`to do it all with 3D prettiness :)`
`16:09.04`	`Zorkman`	`for the the basic UI 3d will be overkill i thinkg`
`16:09.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`4D - it's the way of the future.`
`16:09.14`	`Pyrasi`	`Weiss: Well, i can play with the themes and get the font size down to a resonable size, but the image buttons are still much too large, and it seems like with any gtk app, the screen doesnt refresh correctly....(for instance, if i click i drop down menu in gVim, the menu stays drawn on the screen even after it should be gone....it seems the screen stays drawn as the menu until something else writes over that area.`
`16:09.15`	`Zorkman`	`we have to think about batterly life`
`16:09.44`	`prjktdtnt`	`Zorkman: android looked nice until a message with the dim effect pops up, looks like crap cause it constantly redraws the entire effect, if we had decent glamo drivers I have a feeling that wouldn't happen`
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`16:10.17`	`Weiss`	`Pyrasi: could you check which version of GTK you're using? sounds like bug 1946: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1946`
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`16:10.37`	`Pyrasi`	`has anyone actually been picked to be signed under the glamo NDA btw?`
`16:11.01`	`Weiss`	`Pyrasi: yes, all the people who expressed an interest in helping have been sent it`
`16:11.22`	`Pyrasi`	`oh awesome`
`16:11.43`	`prjktdtnt`	`Anyone in here running FSO M4 right now?`
`16:11.46`	`Pyrasi`	`Thanks Weiss, that does sound like what I was looking for....ill test it out`
`16:12.08`	`jonkristian`	`debian can only run from sdcard, right?`
`16:12.10`	`Pyrasi`	`prjktdtnt: Im running it in debian`
`16:12.28`	`prjktdtnt`	`Pyrasi: how has SMS been working for you? I had problems with M3 not sending SMS`
`16:12.43`	`prjktdtnt`	`also I couldn't delete voicemail messages because the keyboard didn't send the keypress tones`
`16:12.58`	`prjktdtnt`	`so I wanted to wait to try M4 until I knew it would do those two things`
`16:13.15`	`prjktdtnt`	`otherwise OM2008.x works for the most part`
`16:13.25`	`Zorkman`	`try shr`
`16:13.31`	`Ohmu_`	`Does anyone have any idea how many free runners were produced?`
`16:13.34`	`Pyrasi`	`FSO works fine for it....seems to send the messages and alert on a send ...however zhone doesnt pick up the dbus call correctly i think and doesnt actually show you the new message until its restarted`
`16:14.03`	`prjktdtnt`	`Pyrasi: Don't think I want to put up with 3 minute restart each time I get an SMS, I do a LOT of texting`
`16:14.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`Ohmu_: My guess is 37874873847`
`16:14.14`	`Weiss`	`Pyrasi: if it does look like that bug (i.e. your GTK is later that 2.10.14 and the symptoms are right), could you add a comment to that bug, and maybe file a Debian report pointing at that one and the upstream GTK report as well? i didn't realise it affected Debian as well, and it might help raise awareness amongst the GTK people`
`16:14.17`	`SpeedEvil`	`Ohmu_: between that and 3 anyway.`
`16:14.19`	`Ohmu_`	`SpeedEvil, that seems rather a lot`
`16:14.33`	`prjktdtnt`	`Zorkman: it booted to an enlightenment desktop with no apps would run, maybe i had the wrong image, not sure`
`16:14.42`	`prjktdtnt`	`ended up using 2008.x again`
`16:15.06`	`Pyrasi`	`Weiss: Will do. Like i said, its interesting that it didnt affect me until i was running enlightenment. I'm not sure why e is affecting gtk.`
`16:15.34`	`Pyrasi`	`prjktdtnt: Just restart zhone, not the whole freerunner`
`16:15.48`	`Weiss`	`Pyrasi: that's very interesting. i had a suspicion that it was due to an interaction of the WM with GTK... (configure events not received as expected)`
`16:15.59`	`prjktdtnt`	`Pyrasi: what about when I'm out and about, would get old quickly`
`16:16.10`	`prjktdtnt`	`if i'm at my computer where i can just do it through SSH it isn't so bad`
`16:16.38`	`Pyrasi`	`prjktdtnt: Yea, i would just stick with 2008.x for now if you text alot`
`16:17.02`	`Zorkman`	`anybody else using SHR and starling? it segfaults on me now`
`16:17.12`	`prjktdtnt`	`Pyrasi: I just use my POS samsung t409 right now because the buzzing issue is so bad that my friends say it is impossible to hear me over voice on the OM`
`16:18.08`	`Pyrasi`	`well on FSO the calls sound great. I would suggest trying it out at least just to see what you think on the calls.`
`16:18.28`	`prjktdtnt`	`Pyrasi: isn't there alternate front ends being made for FSO now (tichy and such)?`
`16:19.26`	`Pyrasi`	`prfktdtnt: Yea, thats why the zhone bugs arent top priority i believe. I think tichy is supposed to have some kind of release this week (I think i read that somewhere on the lists)`
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`16:20.07`	`prjktdtnt`	`Pyrasi: I usually would have known but I'm so far behind on the lists it's not even funny lol`
`16:20.25`	`prjktdtnt`	`261 unread threads in my inbox that i use to watch the lists`
`16:20.34`	`Zorkman`	`Pyrasi: do you know if they are going to use tichy on SHR also?`
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`16:20.46`	`prjktdtnt`	`also would it be better to flash -stable or -testing?`
`16:21.13`	`bumbl`	`is it save to flash today's qi build?`
`16:21.26`	`Pyrasi`	`Zorkman: No idea....id imagine eventually it will be available for all distros and you could use it as you choose....err...at least all FSO based distros =P`
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`16:24.43`	`Pyrasi`	`Weiss: If it helps, I should have the latest gtk version I'd assume (I cant check for sure right now, but I apt-get upgrade pretty regularly.....so if its in the debian-arm repos I probably have it) I'll check for sure when I get home`
`16:25.57`	`Weiss`	`Pyrasi: no problem (apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0 \| grep Version)`
`16:26.17`	`Weiss`	`Pyrasi: i'm most interested that it started when you changed window manager`
`16:26.50`	`Pyrasi`	`Weiss: Also, when the gtk apps were working correctly I was using matchbox as my wm.`
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`16:30.44`	`Weiss`	`Pyrasi: hmm.. i'll have to do some further poking about with that in mind...`
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`16:45.02`	`prjktdtnt`	`Is tichy actually running on the FSO again or is it still affected by the python-pygame bug that stopped it from running on M3?`
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`17:09.10`	`bumbl`	`hi`
`17:09.37`	`bumbl`	`I want to flash latest qi on gta 02 [ ] qi-s3c2410-andy_28eb5ac9c9426e5f.udfu 23-Nov-2008 21:49 25K`
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`17:09.53`	`bumbl`	`qi-s3c2442-andy which one should I take`
`17:10.02`	`bumbl`	`both show up when i grep dmesg`
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`17:11.53`	`mwester`	`neither?`
`17:12.04`	`bumbl`	`mwester: ?`
`17:12.16`	`mwester`	`What do you hope to get that would be worth the risk?`
`17:12.35`	`bumbl`	`mwester: what risk? I still have NOR`
`17:12.53`	`bumbl`	`correct me if I am wrong`
`17:13.00`	`Zorkman`	`bumbl:`
`17:13.02`	`rooly`	`so`
`17:13.12`	`Zorkman`	`there is one for gta03 and one for gta02`
`17:13.26`	`Zorkman`	`s3c2410 is gta02 i think, yoiu should check`
`17:13.27`	`bumbl`	`but to brick the freerunner one would need to flash nor uboot which is only possible with a debug board`
`17:13.39`	`bumbl`	`Zorkman: there are three in the directory`
`17:13.49`	`bumbl`	`I haven't posted the one for gta03`
`17:13.57`	`SpeedEvil`	`I _vaguely_ remember that 02 is 2440`
`17:14.07`	`SpeedEvil`	`but you should check that with someone with a clue.`
`17:14.12`	`bumbl`	`that would be s3c6410`
`17:14.24`	`SpeedEvil`	`bumbl: that's 04`
`17:14.25`	`mwester`	`bumbl: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-November/006793.html <----- you best read this thread all the way through before you do that.`
`17:14.33`	`SpeedEvil`	`bumbl: 04 is some time out.`
`17:14.34`	`Zorkman`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:14.45`	`mwester`	`2410 is neo`
`17:14.46`	`Zorkman`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:14.54`	`mwester`	`2442 would be fr`
`17:15.11`	`mwester`	`gta03 is 64xx or somthing.`
`17:15.16`	`Zorkman`	`s3c2442 is the neo freerunner`
`17:15.38`	`mwester`	`But I still wonder why one would flash qi just yet -- what would make it worth the risk?`
`17:15.55`	`Zorkman`	`mwester: not really a risk, is there?`
`17:16.07`	`Zorkman`	`bumbl hasn't got a debug board so he can't brick something`
`17:16.08`	`mwester`	`Zorkman: did you read that URL I posted?`
`17:16.13`	`jonkristian`	`flashing is always a risk, isn't it?`
`17:16.16`	`Zorkman`	`no, i will do it now`
`17:17.25`	`bumbl`	`mwester: faster booting time, successful, enthusiastic reports, testing`
`17:17.32`	`bumbl`	`anyway: Only switching battery, charger & usb-connection numerous`
`17:17.33`	`bumbl`	`> \| times and trying again yielded two successful NOR bootmenus in about 80`
`17:17.33`	`bumbl`	`> \| tries, the second of which I gladly took to reflash U-boot.`
`17:17.56`	`mwester`	`In theory, it should be recoverable. In practice, the community has observed a lot of cases where the FR has problems with the PMU that render it exceedingly difficult to recover. That thread is rather concerning, and I won't flash qi until someone has a reasonable explanation for what happened to that device in the thread, and how to avoid it in the future.`
`17:18.03`	`bumbl`	`this happens quit often when I`
`17:18.16`	`bumbl`	`don't use the freerunner for some days`
`17:18.26`	`bumbl`	`battery 100% charged`
`17:18.36`	`mwester`	`bumbl: Yep, it's good he recovered. But an hour of fighting with cables and battery to get to NOR? No, something is very very wrong.`
`17:18.50`	`bumbl`	`mwester: as I said`
`17:18.57`	`bumbl`	`I have all this trouble with uboot too`
`17:19.05`	`Zorkman`	`very strange...`
`17:19.08`	`bumbl`	`maybe not 80 times`
`17:19.12`	`bumbl`	`but 15min`
`17:19.15`	`bumbl`	`of trying`
`17:19.16`	`Zorkman`	`is there a way you could check your nor uboot?`
`17:19.19`	`bumbl`	`are enough too`
`17:19.23`	`Zorkman`	`like equivalent of a md5 checksum`
`17:20.01`	`mwester`	`But go ahead -- I'm just curious as to what "pot of gold" lies at the end of the rainbow, that would encourage someone to take such a risk. There's really no benefit to qi at this point, except that it boots faster, and I guess if the risk is worth a few seconds of boot time, then it's a good thing for those folks. :)`
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`17:31.17`	`Dave`	`hehe`
`17:31.25`	`jonkristian`	`Dave...`
`17:31.30`	`Dave`	`:D`
`17:31.37`	`jonkristian`	`\o/`
`17:32.04`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * re6a0ac0f4f1c 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: task-base.bb: pump for DISTRO_FEATURES`
`17:32.05`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rb9936e7cec30 10/packages/alsa/alsa-state.bb: alsa-state.bb: really update INITSCRIPT_PARAMS during upgrade.`
`17:32.05`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r7509076dda84 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-nodm-init.bb: xserver-nodm-init.bb: really update INITSCRIPT_PARAMS during upgrade.`
`17:32.06`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rd212874f5ceb 10/packages/opkg/opkg_svn.bb: opkg_svn.bb: use the new configure script during upgrade`
`17:32.25`	`Dave`	`wow, a bunch of the shr apps don't work at all`
`17:32.31`	`Dave`	`(that come with it)`
`17:32.39`	`jonkristian`	`:/`
`17:32.54`	`Dave`	`Yeah, that's rather discouraging, especially to the masses.`
`17:33.22`	`jonkristian`	`I switched to 2008.9 , apparently never than 2008.9 at http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/`
`17:33.44`	`jonkristian`	`I managed to bork my shr again, by adding the angstrom repo, lol`
`17:34.03`	`bumbl`	`mwester: to me the problem sounds like it has todo with the weird battery problems as I have experienced similar problems (wait ~1h until it can boot) back in the 2007.2 times`
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`17:36.22`	`Dave`	`jonkristian oops ;p`
`17:36.31`	`Dave`	`try again :)`
`17:39.10`	`bumbl`	`has to get a voltometer`
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`17:39.31`	`bumbl`	`s/voltometer/voltmeter/`
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`17:39.56`	`Dave`	`Bumble, what did you do now? -_-`
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`17:41.04`	`bumbl`	`I either have to buy one or lend it from a friend`
`17:41.49`	`bumbl`	`Dave: I don't flash qi because I accept that mwester knows more about the thematic although I don't think this problem is Qi related`
`17:44.28`	`Dave`	`hah`
`17:44.34`	`Dave`	`;)`
`17:44.37`	`Dave`	`told you :D`
`17:46.10`	`bumbl`	`mwester: would it be save to flash if one owns a debug board (ignore the fact that it might not be worth the work)`
`17:47.19`	`mwester`	`bumbl: That I do not know, don't know the problem with the device. If it is the PMU, then it would be possible (but unlikely I hope) that the SoC would not be powered up enough to even respond to JTAG.`
`17:47.42`	`mwester`	`It is really hard to imagine how this can happen,`
`17:48.27`	`mwester`	`but it seems risky enough that I personally will wait for a few days yet before I'll flash Qi (I do update u-boot rather often, though -- never had a problem.)`
`17:48.55`	`bumbl`	`but if it's the PMU wouldn't an u-boot update affect it too?`
`17:53.04`	`jonkristian`	`hrm`
`17:54.20`	`mwester`	`bumbl: that's what the discussion on the kernel mailing list is sort of about...`
`17:55.05`	`mwester`	`There's really no reason for Qi to do anything different than u-boot, it seems -- on the other hand, Andy takes it as a serious concern, so I do to.`
`17:55.23`	`mwester`	`er, "too" even.`
`17:58.18`	`bumbl`	`hmm`
`17:59.24`	`bumbl`	`from only reading this thread I would rather think this is a non problem (although I might be too unexperienced to say) but I'll wait how it develops`
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`18:13.50`	`Dave`	`Mmontour!`
`18:13.56`	`mmontour`	`Hi Dave`
`18:14.08`	`Dave`	`Hello :)`
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`18:27.55`	`kd8ikt`	`davapalooza`
`18:28.04`	`Dave`	`\o/`
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`18:41.38`	`Dave`	`Any ideas where we can obtain these cool new looking SHR themes?`
`18:41.53`	`Dave`	`Who is responsibly for those neat Blues themes recently posted on scap?`
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`18:49.14`	`kd8ikt`	`w omg windows`
`18:49.18`	`kd8ikt`	`ew`
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`18:49.53`	`kd8ikt`	`and you like it!?!? :P`
`18:51.08`	`Dave`	`uhh, no?`
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`18:52.10`	`kd8ikt`	`i just tasted a lil vomit in the back of my throat`
`18:52.19`	`kd8ikt`	`yuk`
`18:52.23`	`bumbl`	`mhhmm`
`18:54.18`	`Dave`	`http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5bbdb9dd88f7f31e7c46bc612e5f2830.png`
`18:54.24`	`Dave`	`slaps kd8ikt`
`18:54.54`	`zash`	`alarm-icon here is teh stylish: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a3a71d601e6d7d3cadbe02f961de86d4.png`
`18:55.08`	`Dave`	`those kinds of icons and such`
`18:55.09`	`Dave`	`http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=5`
`18:55.22`	`zash`	`CAN I HAS WIN3.11 THEME NAO?`
`18:55.27`	`Dave`	`Evidently we can tell that it is one or more germans which are responsible :p`
`18:55.33`	`Dave`	`smashes zash`
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`18:56.39`	`zash`	`gets smashed`
`18:56.49`	`zash`	`smashes all over the channel`
`18:56.50`	`Dave`	`ROFL`
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`18:56.53`	`Dave`	`oh man`
`18:57.00`	`Dave`	`opkg just keeps getting more hilarious...`
`18:57.05`	`Dave`	`An error ocurred, return value: -49900.`
`18:57.23`	`Dave`	`integer overflow anyone?`
`18:57.31`	`Dave`	`hahaha`
`19:00.33`	`bumbl`	`aka package not found`
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`19:02.11`	`Dave`	`right`
`19:02.18`	`Dave`	`so opkg apparently calls that progress?`
`19:02.25`	`Dave`	`error: -2 is now -49900 ?`
`19:02.31`	`Dave`	`what the fuck is going on over there?`
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`19:11.41`	`kd8ikt`	`time to put a quarter in the swear jar`
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`19:13.04`	`Dave`	`:P`
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`19:13.23`	`Dave`	`kd8ikt, I thought it would have been more by now. Fucking economy.`
`19:13.54`	`henk`	`hm in Om-stable: i can't umount /media/card because it's busy. i'm lacking lsof to find out what process is using it. how can i find out?`
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`19:19.50`	`dent`	`hi`
`19:19.57`	`dent`	`how does one shut down SHR?`
`19:20.08`	`dent`	`I tried poweroff/reboot/shutdown in terminal`
`19:20.18`	`dent`	`but w/o success`
`19:20.33`	`gromez`	`10s press on PWR button`
`19:20.41`	`henk`	`dent: try shutdown -h -P now. that worked with SHR and afair also Om2008.9`
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`19:20.48`	`dent`	`henk: thx`
`19:20.50`	`Dave`	`init 0`
`19:20.59`	`dent`	`gromez: yeah... thats' somewhat "harsh" power off`
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`19:21.03`	`Dave`	`or 6 for reboot`
`19:21.03`	`dent`	`Dave: thX`
`19:21.05`	`Dave`	`:)`
`19:21.18`	`dent`	`I only tried telinit 1 :) which wasn't exactly what I wanted :)`
`19:21.23`	`Dave`	`right :P`
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`19:21.52`	`dent`	`btw. otherwise I love SHR ;)`
`19:22.01`	`dent`	`i.e. I fell in love last night :))`
`19:23.05`	`walkie__`	`is there any way to set idle time from terminal in 2008.9?`
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`19:24.29`	`laen`	`Meh, bought a 2,5mm jack to 3,5mm plug-in today but can't get stereo sound. Bad el-cheapo plug or did more people get that?`
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`19:25.08`	`henk`	`is there a distribution that does _not_ automatically mount the sd card?`
`19:26.06`	`Dave`	`laen, I've been using a proprietary one I bought for one of my real phones about a year or so ago, incidentally the poles must match up close enough since it works great with the freerunner :P`
`19:27.53`	`laen`	`Yeah it looked really cheap on the inside as well. Bought me a usb-plug/usb-plug for connecting a keyboard (just for teh lol) of the same brand as well.. and that one wasn't quite stable either, works though :P`
`19:28.12`	`Dave`	`:D`
`19:28.14`	`Dave`	`sweet`
`19:28.16`	`Dave`	`good deal then :P`
`19:28.57`	`dent`	`oooh, I managed to have FR keep correct time after reboot :))`
`19:29.41`	`balrog-k1n`	`dent: what time is it?`
`19:29.50`	`dent`	`(I had wrong time set, and not knowing how to shut down correctly, the correct time was never set back to FR clock)`
`19:30.12`	`balrog-k1n`	`20:28?`
`19:30.34`	`dent`	`20:20:35 here :-P`
`19:30.38`	`dent`	`eee 20:30 :)`
`19:30.44`	`balrog-k1n`	`then it's not correct :p`
`19:30.55`	`balrog-k1n`	`20:30 is closer`
`19:31.03`	`dent`	`well, I usually keep local_time+5min :))`
`19:31.11`	`dent`	`but my old time was off by an hour and something`
`19:31.33`	`dent`	`and setting time + poweroff caused kernel on boot to retrieve the wrong time from the HW`
`19:31.39`	`dent`	`as the correct time was never set into HW`
`19:33.36`	`dent`	`ok, now I recalled hwclock :)`
`19:34.06`	`Dave`	`\o/`
`19:34.19`	`Dave`	`at least it's not like my old laptop`
`19:34.35`	`Dave`	`the clock drifted more than a ricer in tokyo drift :P`
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`19:34.41`	`dent`	`lol :)`
`19:34.53`	`Dave`	`Yeah, it was pretty fucked up.`
`19:35.25`	`rustybox`	`is there a way I can put the illume theme on OM2008.9?`
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`19:35.44`	`TAsn`	`rustybox, i think so.`
`19:35.52`	`TAsn`	`just copy the theme and add it in 2008.9 ;]`
`19:36.01`	`rustybox`	`haha... thanks?`
`19:36.34`	`rustybox`	`nevermind, i found it`
`19:37.04`	`bumbl`	`dent: hwclock --systohc should do the job`
`19:37.18`	`Dave`	`yep :)`
`19:37.34`	`Dave`	`otherwise it'll make you join the british commonwealth everytime you reboot :p`
`19:37.39`	`dent`	`bumbl: yeah, now I recalled :)`
`19:37.53`	`rustybox`	`wait... i didn't find it. Anyone know how to get the illume theme on OM2008.x?`
`19:37.59`	`dent`	`Dave: doesn't sound too bad :))`
`19:38.02`	`bumbl`	`Dave: where is the problem me ducks and runs`
`19:40.04`	`Dave`	`>:D`
`19:40.17`	`Dave`	`The time is the world doesn't run on GMT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT!`
`19:40.30`	`Dave`	`also the fact that having it be 5PM whenever you look down to your phone is retarded.`
`19:40.32`	`SpeedEvil`	`Dave: we should fix that.`
`19:40.39`	`Dave`	`Speedevil, agreed.`
`19:40.53`	`Dave`	`Fix you, is more like it!`
`19:40.59`	`Dave`	`lunges`
`19:41.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`Dave: please fix me.`
`19:41.12`	`dent`	`is lost`
`19:41.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`is borken.`
`19:41.15`	`Dave`	`:D`
`19:41.36`	`dent`	`is there any handling of the timezon as of now, in SHR?`
`19:41.41`	`dent`	`or it just assumes GMT whatever...`
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`19:41.55`	`SpeedEvil`	`Local solar time is easy to compute.`
`19:44.02`	`dent`	`ok, I see there's /etc/timezone`
`19:44.08`	`Dave`	`yeah`
`19:44.13`	`Dave`	`see if it does something :P`
`19:44.24`	`dent`	`yeah, I was thinking if it's just laying around :))`
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`19:56.27`	`bricod1`	`Finally. Android sans prop codecs.`
`19:56.56`	`Dave`	`heh`
`19:57.53`	`bricod1`	`Dave: It's getting closer.`
`19:58.32`	`Dave`	`YES`
`19:58.36`	`Dave`	`This much is clear :)`
`19:58.52`	`Dave`	`Though a slow process, the result may benefit the wait.`
`19:59.22`	`dent`	`hm, so even a reboot works, it just needs some time`
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`20:00.45`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r3f6d1d8dd79c 10/packages/alsa/alsa-state.bb: alsa-state.bb: fix wrong usage of update-rc.d.bbclass`
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`20:02.26`	`bricod1`	`Anyone know if the Wifi AP's are scanned with the ath driver or wpa_supplicant in most of the OM distros?`
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`20:13.40`	`mmaestri`	`i've heard that one of the latest shr images resembles a real phone. is that true?`
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`20:14.17`	`dent`	`yes, mostly :)`
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`20:16.37`	`TAsn`	`dent, so I should upgrade? ;] i.e opkg update upgrade?`
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`20:17.20`	`dent`	`TAsn: asking me? I'm just an innocent bystander :)`
`20:17.36`	`dent`	`but I flashed yesterday and went all "wow"`
`20:17.37`	`TAsn`	`ok, im doing it.`
`20:17.38`	`TAsn`	`;]`
`20:17.41`	`dent`	`better than vista, for sure :)`
`20:17.47`	`TAsn`	`dent, hehe ;]`
`20:17.52`	`Sargun`	`dent, FSO is really hopping.`
`20:18.03`	`TAsn`	`should I flash the newest fso on my pc as well?`
`20:18.16`	`dent`	`try to flash than over your bios`
`20:18.18`	`dent`	`:-P`
`20:18.27`	`dent`	`s/than/that/`
`20:18.39`	`mmaestri`	`dent: then if I download & flash the latest image from shr.bearstech .com, i'll be there?`
`20:18.49`	`TAsn`	`my bios doesn't have an arm chipset`
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`20:18.52`	`Sargun`	`I think the first release of FR was Windows95, crappy but acceptable as it's a huge jump from traditional devices, then we hit Windows ME status because, and now we're hitting Windows XP status.`
`20:19.01`	`Sargun`	`Hopefully we don't go to Windows Vista`
`20:19.20`	`UndrWater`	`link to the image we're talking about?`
`20:19.21`	`dent`	`:))`
`20:19.27`	`UndrWater`	`asks expectantly ;)`
`20:19.44`	`UndrWater`	`hmmm...respectfully?'`
`20:19.52`	`UndrWater`	`lurkers come out of the woodwork`
`20:19.56`	`mmaestri`	`http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2`
`20:19.59`	`bumbl`	`Sargun: yep I hope we jump vista and go straight to gentoo`
`20:20.03`	`mmaestri`	`dated today`
`20:20.08`	`dent`	`:))`
`20:20.16`	`dent`	`anybody looked into timezones btw?`
`20:20.24`	`Tig\|`	`oooo there are updates today? time for opkg uprgade :)`
`20:20.25`	`dent`	`I'm little bit looking around that now...`
`20:20.36`	`dent`	`hehe, how many ppl woke up :)`
`20:20.53`	`dent`	`you have highlight for "update" and "flash" I guess :)`
`20:21.23`	`UndrWater`	`updating my zaurus today too :) finally have a working kernel`
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`20:22.48`	`jonkristian`	`what kernel is good to use with shr? the one in that repo? uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin , or mwester's maybe?`
`20:23.25`	`Sargun`	`bumbl, I run Gentoo.`
`20:24.20`	`Sargun`	`I was thinking of running Gentoo on my FR, but last time I installed Gentoo on a MicroSD card, it was slower than Bush's mind, and went bad within a few hours.`
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`20:26.30`	`mmaestri`	`jonkristian: don't know. I'm using a 17nov dated kernel from freesmartphone.org, testing branch, and it works well`
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`20:28.15`	`UndrWater`	`looks like that's the latest kernel`
`20:28.15`	`bumbl`	`Sargun: slower than Mr. Bush's mind ... that's not hard. I think Bush is quite smart. He got really rich during his presidency`
`20:29.04`	`Sargun`	`bumbl, he was already quite rich.`
`20:29.13`	`bumbl`	`Sargun: I know`
`20:29.47`	`jonkristian`	`It doesn't matter how slow your mind is, if you cant sp-sp-sp-sp-sp-eeeee-ak it.`
`20:29.50`	`bumbl`	`but he "optimised" his gain and the gain of his friends`
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`20:46.06`	`Gast_826_`	`jojo`
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`20:52.16`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r2c67a359d9e2 10/packages/ttf-fonts/ttf-dejavu_2.23.bb: ttf-dejavu_2.23.bb: fix PR, should be "r2" instead of "2"`
`20:54.19`	`rawtatoor`	`anyone have any idea why my u-boot menu gets to the point that says "loading kernel" and then the whole thing resets?`
`20:54.35`	`rawtatoor`	`I'm using qemu btw`
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`20:56.15`	`b0ib0t2`	`qtE here`
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`21:03.09`	`jonkristian`	`wow, http://rafb.net/p/4AieTW18.html`
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`21:03.52`	`jonkristian`	`that looks like something seriously whacky is going on with my distro, happened when i tried to do usb networking.`
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`21:12.52`	`spacepluk`	`hi all`
`21:13.03`	`Tig\|`	`hi spacepluk`
`21:13.26`	`spacepluk`	`I'm a total newbie and I'm trying to setup a dev/testing environment using qemu`
`21:14.28`	`spacepluk`	`I'm trying with the images at http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/`
`21:15.41`	`bumbl`	`spacepluk: isn't qemu borked?`
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`21:15.55`	`rawtatoor`	spacepluk; Using mokomakefile it was as easy as typing `make qemu` -- but for some reason it isn't booting right
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`21:16.50`	`spacepluk`	`bumbl: borked?? :?`
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`21:17.09`	`bumbl`	`the last time i tried it didn't work`
`21:17.27`	`spacepluk`	`I can see the U-Boot menu but selecting boot just seems to reboot the VM`
`21:17.49`	`rawtatoor`	`yeah -- why the hell is it doing that?`
`21:18.28`	`bumbl`	`anyway bye`
`21:18.56`	`rawtatoor`	`gee that was helpful`
`21:19.08`	`spacepluk`	`heheh`
`21:19.45`	`rawtatoor`	`I guess I'll try it with different images`
`21:20.28`	`spacepluk`	`rawtatoor: please, let me know if you make any progress :)`
`21:20.52`	`rawtatoor`	`sure thing`
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`21:25.24`	`mmaestri`	`i've installed shr at last`
`21:25.40`	`mmaestri`	`looks nice, but...`
`21:25.50`	`mmaestri`	`first, that ugly battery icon`
`21:26.11`	`b0ib0t2`	`workin on a zombie shooter game... i'd looove to port it to the FR...`
`21:26.39`	`mmaestri`	`and of course, networking`
`21:27.02`	`Tig\|`	`the battery icon is straight from illume`
`21:27.19`	`Tig\|`	`personally I don't think it is that bad`
`21:27.25`	`mmaestri`	`usb networking works, i can ssh my fr, it is broken somehow`
`21:27.46`	`mmaestri`	`that i cannot see the internet through that connection`
`21:28.04`	`mmaestri`	`Tig\|: i like more the fso battery icon`
`21:28.09`	`toggles_w`	`mmaestri: ip forwarding on your box?`
`21:28.13`	`mmaestri`	`but i can live with that`
`21:28.23`	`Tig\|`	`mmaestri: I have it working fine here, are you sure the problem is not on the box on you are connecting via`
`21:28.54`	`Tig\|`	`or try mofi and connect via wifi, SHR is the first image where wifi works out the box to a wpa network :)`
`21:29.00`	`mmaestri`	`don't know, i've never touched box cfg, and every image i've flashed worked well`
`21:29.06`	`jonkristian`	`Tig\|: only wpa?`
`21:29.18`	`Tig\|`	`well not tested others`
`21:29.24`	`jonkristian`	`I use wep, and i see that mofi sees it as wpa`
`21:29.39`	`jonkristian`	`Tig\|: are yours working?`
`21:29.49`	`Tig\|`	`only use WPA here, but in the interest of science I may be forced to go down the pub with it :)`
`21:29.55`	`Tig\|`	`mine works fine :)`
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`21:30.08`	`jonkristian`	`Tig\|: any special thing you had to do?`
`21:30.20`	`Tig\|`	`nope! just put in the password \o/`
`21:30.32`	`jonkristian`	`I've never gotten wifi to work, with any image:/ Well, my router saw it one time, but probably just for a second.`
`21:30.43`	`jonkristian`	`sweet`
`21:30.55`	`Tig\|`	`I did a happy dance :)`
`21:31.29`	`jonkristian`	`Im going to try wpa then, but i have to wait until my flatmate's has gone to bed, so i don't ruin their p0rn streamcasts, lol`
`21:31.40`	`Tig\|`	`then clicked on vagalude and it connected to last.fm and I had streaming audio on my FR!`
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`21:32.14`	`jonkristian`	`that is very nice, did you use a passphrase or hex or?`
`21:32.22`	`Tig\|`	`passphrase`
`21:32.40`	`mmaestri`	`that's my box /etc/network/interfaces config about usb0 : http://www.mibbit.com/pb/WxS4SR`
`21:32.47`	`UndrWater`	`mofi is damn slow...cause of py?`
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`21:33.01`	`jonkristian`	`dunno, but it's damn slow here aswell`
`21:33.16`	`Tig\|`	`it is slow but I think it is more that it does not notify you on what it is up to`
`21:33.34`	`jonkristian`	`Something like networkmanager would be awesome`
`21:33.47`	`jonkristian`	`it handles roaming perfectly on my laptop`
`21:34.00`	`jonkristian`	`and not to mention, automaticly.`
`21:35.22`	`Tig\|`	`mmaestri: personally the automatic stuff on the wiki for deb/ubuntu has never worked here`
`21:35.38`	`Tig\|`	`try the basic three commands and see if it works`
`21:35.55`	`Tig\|`	`oh and also remember to add a nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf`
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`21:38.13`	`Tig\|`	`also stand on one leg and point the FR north`
`21:39.54`	`Tig\|`	`also with todays SHR update after you have updated reboot the phone as there has been a frameworkd update and phone apps will crash until it has been rebooted or it did here`
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`21:40.29`	`Tig\|`	`then turn around three times and throw some salt over your shoulder`
`21:40.37`	`mmaestri`	`ok, ok`
`21:40.39`	`Tig\|`	`right shoulder though`
`21:40.49`	`Tig\|`	`is enjoying this wine :)`
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`21:47.50`	`mmaestri`	`Tig\|: where should be the problem if i have usb networking between my laptop and the fr, but i can access internet from it?`
`21:48.00`	`mmaestri`	`an iptables issue?`
`21:48.17`	`Tig\|`	`you can't access the net from the FR`
`21:48.19`	`mmaestri`	`i'm following the steps from the wiki`
`21:48.26`	`mmaestri`	`right`
`21:48.28`	`Tig\|`	`right lets step through this`
`21:48.45`	`Tig\|`	`can you ping your desktop/laptop from the FR`
`21:49.11`	`Tig\|`	`can you ping your router that the desktop/laptop is connected to?`
`21:49.17`	`mmaestri`	`yes`
`21:49.25`	`Tig\|`	`to both?`
`21:49.29`	`mmaestri`	`to the first question..`
`21:49.40`	`mmaestri`	`wait`
`21:50.05`	`mmaestri`	`from the fr i cannot ping the router`
`21:50.10`	`Tig\|`	`aha!`
`21:50.26`	`Tig\|`	`so there is your block, what is the OS on the desktop/laptop?`
`21:50.33`	`mmaestri`	`ubuntu`
`21:50.43`	`Tig\|`	`/etc/init.d/ufw stop`
`21:50.58`	`Tig\|`	`then retry on the FR`
`21:51.06`	`Tig\|`	`grumbles about ufw`
`21:51.09`	`mmaestri`	`and ufw is...?`
`21:51.15`	`Tig\|`	`uncomplicated firewall`
`21:51.38`	`Tig\|`	`they turned it on a while ago but sometimes its rules get really screwed up`
`21:51.52`	`mmaestri`	`well i've stopped it`
`21:52.05`	`mmaestri`	`but is the same`
`21:52.30`	`Tig\|`	`right have you tried the standard default commands from the wiki, not the ubuntu ones`
`21:52.38`	`mmaestri`	`yes`
`21:53.15`	`mmaestri`	`http://www.mibbit.com/pb/d26nnL`
`21:53.30`	`Tig\|`	`have you actively set up any other network security systems on the desktop/laptop`
`21:53.36`	`mmaestri`	`nope`
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`21:54.06`	`Tig\|`	`erm what is the IP that the desktop/laptop uses to connect to the router`
`21:54.26`	`mmaestri`	`192.168.0.101`
`21:54.38`	`mmaestri`	`the router being 192.168.0.1`
`21:55.05`	`viq`	`You don't want the same network on the "real" network and FR`
`21:55.32`	`Tig\|`	`can I make a recommendation just to save a world of pain and issues you change the lan range off the 192.168.0.x network`
`21:55.44`	`mmaestri`	`no i don't, so i use ip addr add 192.168.0.200/28 dev usb0`
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`21:56.19`	`viq`	`mmaestri: do what Tig\| suggests`
`21:56.40`	`jonkristian`	`I seem to be having alot of issues with usb networking and kernel 2.6.27 , my lan isn't 192.x.x.x either`
`21:56.47`	`viq`	`just change your LAN to for example 192.168.79.0, or whatever else you like`
`21:57.13`	`mmaestri`	`i'll do it, but cannot understand why it worked before without it`
`21:57.14`	`roh`	`jonkristian sure you don't have them with older kernels?`
`21:57.36`	`roh`	`mmaestri order of entrys in the routing table matters when you have overlapping netmasks`
`21:57.37`	`mmaestri`	`the only thing i did was flash with the shr image`
`21:57.45`	`Tig\|`	`it is one of those technically you can do it because of the subnet you are specifying but I have found it can be a pest`
`21:57.52`	`jonkristian`	`roh: well, not 100%, but it's been working like clockwork every time, except lately, i get this, http://rafb.net/p/4AieTW18.html`
`21:58.50`	`UndrWater`	`hmm...contacts shouldn't crash if sim card is not in phone`
`21:58.51`	`roh`	`jonkristian yikes...`
`21:58.55`	`mmaestri`	`ok, i'll try that. thanks Tig\| viq & roh`
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`21:59.02`	`jonkristian`	`roh: indeed`
`21:59.10`	`Tig\|`	`no problem :)`
`21:59.14`	`jonkristian`	`that was my initial thought aswell`
`21:59.17`	`roh`	`jonkristian recent thinkpad? i guess you should investigate if its something 'unrelated' like timers or so`
`21:59.21`	`mmaestri`	`byeeeeeee`
`21:59.30`	`jonkristian`	`roh: fairly recent, t61p`
`21:59.43`	`Tig\|`	`UndrWater: I have never got contacts to load without a sim in, I assumed it was trying to read it`
`22:00.16`	`UndrWater`	`Tig\|: right...but i'd like to read my contacts (non-sim ones) even if i don't have the sim card in`
`22:00.19`	`roh`	`hm.. also acpi has its fingers in there... nih`
`22:00.45`	`UndrWater`	`hrm...wonder if i import from sim...`
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`22:01.24`	`roh`	`jonkristian ah.. and now i see it.. try with a nontained kernel. nobody will help you debug it.`
`22:01.36`	`roh`	`means -> no nvidia.. if the bug is gone... you know`
`22:02.13`	`jonkristian`	`roh: actually, i have been messing with nvidia today`
`22:02.18`	`jonkristian`	`and yesterday`
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`22:02.45`	`roh`	`well.. try not loading it at all. work on console fo these tests.. and try to get the error`
`22:03.03`	`jonkristian`	`thanks, ill give it a test`
`22:03.24`	`roh`	`binary modules have the tendency to massively fuck up stuff when kernels change. there is no abi ;)`
`22:03.42`	`jonkristian`	`hehe, yeah`
`22:03.44`	`viq`	`Absolute Backwards Incompatibility? ;)`
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`22:05.27`	`roh`	`viq linux doesnt have any. atleast by design. if there is one, its just there out of convenience/lazyness and not due to concept (which is good)`
`22:05.55`	`DieMumiee`	`the most annoying thing is that the community cannot fix bugs that arise from dependencies between oss and closed software..`
`22:06.55`	`roh`	`DieMumiee well.. thats how it is on the binary world. nothing new. if you do not like it. do not give companies like nv money`
`22:07.20`	`DieMumiee`	`well i could use nouveau`
`22:07.26`	`viq`	`If I buy equipment, I am going to try hard not to have nvidia inside`
`22:07.47`	`roh`	`DieMumiee if you do not have any req. ;) yes.`
`22:08.24`	`roh`	`i am on a x1600 in a T60p here.. and it still is 'some' pain (unregular lockups, 1-2x a week) with 'xorg-ati, mesa and drm from git`
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`22:09.03`	`viq`	`How's the performance of that thing? I am considering getting the exact same model off of a friend`
`22:09.22`	`roh`	`but it does xvideo, xrandr, opengl, ans composite if i want.. compared to what was possible with the ati binary driver its enormous`
`22:10.01`	`roh`	`it performs well enough. i do not want to play games or so.. just some google earth or so is maximum 3d usage`
`22:10.13`	`roh`	`xvideo and multihead/xrandr is much more imporant`
`22:12.12`	`jonkristian`	`ouch: Starting Xserver JFFS2 notice: check_node_date: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0e06c4e4: read 0xb268a454, calculated 0xb32b1190`
`22:12.19`	`jonkristian`	`latest shr`
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`22:15.37`	`Ainulindale`	`jonkristian: you should have waited until the image was generated fully`
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`22:16.14`	`jonkristian`	`Ainulindale: ouch`
`22:16.28`	`jonkristian`	`it's 71MB`
`22:16.54`	`Ainulindale`	`Well, I didn't even have time to test it anyway`
`22:17.15`	`jonkristian`	`I thought maybe it was because i turned it off by holding power`
`22:17.29`	`Ainulindale`	`So it booted?`
`22:17.41`	`jonkristian`	`yeah, it just stuck before loading x`
`22:17.49`	`jonkristian`	`im re-flashing that image now`
`22:17.52`	`Ainulindale`	`How long?`
`22:18.03`	`jonkristian`	`it never started x`
`22:18.13`	`Ainulindale`	`How long? (again)`
`22:18.26`	`Ainulindale`	`jonkristian: well other people are trying it right now`
`22:18.37`	`Ainulindale`	`Keep me in touch, I'm away for a while, need to rest my eyes`
`22:18.40`	`Ainulindale`	`But I'll be there later`
`22:18.46`	`Ainulindale`	`I'm still stuck with this dumb locale issue`
`22:18.50`	`jonkristian`	`How long what? It just hanged there after trying to start x-server`
`22:18.55`	`Ainulindale`	`They won't get in the image, it's bugging me`
`22:19.01`	`jonkristian`	`yeah, i saw that, you can't chose lang`
`22:19.02`	`Ainulindale`	`jonkristian: On the exquisite screen?`
`22:19.11`	`Ainulindale`	`(the E thing)`
`22:19.18`	`jonkristian`	`yupp`
`22:19.38`	`Ainulindale`	`Then how did you see it hanged after x-server?`
`22:19.48`	`jonkristian`	`everything was gone, but i just clicked next and chose illume after that`
`22:19.54`	`Ainulindale`	`So it booted`
`22:20.10`	`Ainulindale`	`Then the wrong CRC could be an issue like that, yes`
`22:20.17`	`Ainulindale`	`I had that one time`
`22:20.17`	`jonkristian`	`i started it first, and everything was working, but then i halted it by pressing power for a few sec's and when i was going to boot it again, it hanged`
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`22:21.10`	`Fougner`	`hello guys =D`
`22:21.29`	`fredrin`	`Fougner: hay`
`22:21.34`	`jonkristian`	`Ainulindale: there's no software to power it off, right? Is there a bugreport for this, would be useful.`
`22:21.44`	`jonkristian`	`Fougner: :D`
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`22:23.23`	`Fougner`	`jonkristian, hiyaa!`
`22:24.24`	`jonkristian`	`:)`
`22:24.33`	`jonkristian`	`How's it going`
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`22:25.57`	`Fougner`	`well`
`22:26.14`	`Fougner`	`I always install SHR, then after a day or so, I go back to FDOm`
`22:26.24`	`Fougner`	`and you? ^^`
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`22:27.39`	`jonkristian`	`Im flashing shr atm, im confident i will get wlan working on it tonight`
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`22:33.46`	`slaxxin`	`ooo no its downloading a bunch of diff languages in opkg`
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`22:34.18`	`ptitjes`	`jonkristian: BTW 'init' is okay to poweroff the phone...`
`22:38.13`	`Fougner`	`jonkristian, wlan, why? =)`
`22:38.26`	`Fougner`	`I'm interested in WLAN ;D`
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`22:39.37`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4820 10/developers/werner/myroot/werner.myroot:`
`22:39.37`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: - werner.myroot: use task-proper-tools`
`22:39.37`	`CIA-51`	`openmoko: - werner.myroot: netkit-telnet and wmiconfig have arrived in the feed`
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`22:44.54`	`quatrox`	`werner: I have to GTA02 here. Both has same u-boot, uboot-env, kernel and distro. I tried the same sdhc card on both. On one it works fine, and one the other one I get "Kernel panic- not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2,0)"`
`22:45.16`	`jonkristian`	`hm, wpa or wpa2 , what's recommended?`
`22:45.16`	`Wonka`	`_really_ same u-boot_env?`
`22:45.25`	`Wonka`	`jonkristian: wpa2, definitely`
`22:45.31`	`Wonka`	`jonkristian: tkip is breakable`
`22:45.53`	`jonkristian`	`ok, i've been using wep until now:D`
`22:46.06`	`jonkristian`	`i also have wpa+wpa2`
`22:46.09`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: I just flashed the one that was not working with the env from the one that worked. It did not help`
`22:46.22`	`Wonka`	`hm...`
`22:46.38`	`Wonka`	`jonkristian: definitely switch off wep and wpa1 everywhere.`
`22:46.52`	`jonkristian`	`mmkay:)`
`22:46.54`	`jonkristian`	`thanks`
`22:47.16`	`jonkristian`	`just hope it plays well with my iwlagn`
`22:47.27`	`Wonka`	`i got "unknown-block(2,0)" when i had "rootfs=auto" on the cmdline... "rootfs=ext3" worked, though`
`22:47.51`	`quatrox`	`interesting`
`22:48.04`	`jonkristian`	`brb, hopefully`
`22:49.07`	`Fougner`	`guys`
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`22:49.44`	`Fougner`	`is there a way to check content on a CD/DVD through terminal`
`22:49.59`	`Fougner`	`without "mount csbvhsbd" and then ls`
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`22:52.25`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: I have rootfstype=ext2 and the partition is ext2`
`22:52.56`	`Wonka`	`rootfstype i meant, not rootfs, of course :)`
`22:53.01`	`Wonka`	`my rootfs is ext3`
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`22:53.25`	`Wonka`	`i wondered that auto didn't work but ext3 did`
`22:54.23`	`quatrox`	`anyway - I think there is minor variations in the HW`
`22:54.27`	`Fougner`	`how can I compile my GTK app on the moko?=`
`22:54.49`	`lindi-`	`Fougner: in debian you do it just like you do on your PC`
`22:55.11`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: and both gta02v5 reports crc errors on the sdhc card`
`22:55.28`	`Fougner`	`lindi-, I'm on the OM2008.9`
`22:55.29`	`Fougner`	`FDOM`
`22:55.35`	`lindi-`	`Fougner: no idea then`
`22:55.39`	`Fougner`	`eh`
`22:55.47`	`Fougner`	`maybe it's not using GTK? =/`
`22:55.56`	`lindi-`	`Fougner: maybe install package that contains gtk.h`
`22:56.01`	`Fougner`	`Kensan! raster! =D`
`22:56.04`	`Fougner`	`help meeee`
`22:56.39`	`Fougner`	`is there a way to search the repo or something for opkg ?`
`22:56.40`	`Fougner`	`=D`
`22:56.57`	`lindi-`	`i don't know`
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`22:57.41`	`jonkristian`	`That was alot easier than i thought it would be:)`
`22:57.51`	`Fougner`	`jonkristian, whaT? =D`
`22:58.05`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: I guess I am lucky that it always work on the second GTA. I tried adjusting the glamo sd speed and current and setting a delay in uboot so that the driver gets time to load.`
`22:58.13`	`lindi-`	`Fougner: in debian i apt-file search gtk/gtk.h and see 'libgtk2.0-dev: usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h'`
`22:58.39`	`jonkristian`	`Fougner: changed from wep to wpa`
`22:58.53`	`Fougner`	`ah`
`22:59.17`	`lindi-`	`hmm, git is confusing`
`22:59.20`	`jonkristian`	`Fougner: I remember before, I always had hassle with wpa, but it worked like a charm, networkmanager is awesome:)`
`22:59.28`	`Fougner`	`oh`
`22:59.38`	`Fougner`	`the latest SHR ?`
`22:59.48`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: I think I will try a C. What is strange, is that both work great with the 512M card that was included in the box`
`23:00.15`	`jonkristian`	`Fougner: no, on my laptop, haven't tested the latest yet, but someone has a working wlan with wpa and shr`
`23:00.29`	`jonkristian`	`Fougner: Don't remember who it was, but he told me earlier`
`23:00.52`	`Fougner`	`oh`
`23:00.54`	`Fougner`	`nice`
`23:00.58`	`Fougner`	`GUI ? =D`
`23:01.29`	`jonkristian`	`Fougner: he just entered the passphrase in the gui, yeah`
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`23:01.45`	`Fougner`	`that's nice`
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`23:02.02`	`jonkristian`	`But i mean, there's lot of strange wireless equipment out there, so im not yaaay'ing before i see it actually working:D`
`23:02.22`	`Fougner`	`hehe`
`23:04.07`	`Wonka`	`i am slightly annoyed about some gsm problems here.`
`23:04.44`	`Wonka`	`ATM, pppd keeps sending IPCP ConfReqs and seems not to get an answer...`
`23:05.19`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: does not sound like gsm problem`
`23:05.36`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: can you put full pppd debug output online?`
`23:05.41`	`Wonka`	`minutes ago, it did get answers`
`23:05.46`	`Wonka`	`even an IP`
`23:06.01`	`Wonka`	`but afterwards, not a single ip packet came in from outside`
`23:06.40`	`Wonka`	`http://pastebin.com/m5a722b61`
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`23:07.48`	`lindi-`	`odd`
`23:08.51`	`Wonka`	`from the same pppd process:`
`23:08.52`	`Wonka`	`http://pastebin.com/m45805d54`
`23:09.37`	`Wonka`	`i am a little astonished about line 29 ff.`
`23:10.05`	`Wonka`	`requesting the same as already requested in 27 and acked in 28`
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`23:15.58`	`quatrox`	`Wonka: You just got an ConfAck. Are you sure you shouldn't receive more in order to configure things?`
`23:17.03`	`quatrox`	`I don't know that protocol`
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`23:19.29`	`Wonka`	`it has already worked with that config`
`23:20.18`	`Wonka`	`i even had an ssh connect with that config`
`23:21.12`	`Wonka`	`like now... http://pastebin.com/m4d52d247`
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`23:21.51`	`Wonka`	`eh. not quite. i got an IP, ssh I'm still trying`
`23:24.10`	`Wonka`	`outgoing ssh hangs... netstat says "ESTABLISHED"...`
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`23:35.21`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: ping?`
`23:35.44`	`Wonka`	`wuss?`
`23:37.00`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: can you ping?`
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`23:45.47`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r898d7ae0a41d 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): Fixed a possible race condition`
`23:46.54`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rdafc2d0bc390 10framework/tests/ (org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.py test.py):`
`23:46.54`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: tests: finally start with full test coverage for the FSO API compliance`
`23:46.54`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: (yes, this is just a small start, but it's now underway)`
`23:46.55`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r1178441afcb0 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/mediator.py: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo`
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`23:50.06`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r43c7d23d21b4 10/odevice/org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.xml.in: odeviced: catch up with API changes in org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio`
`23:50.06`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rd34ccf2b6cfe 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs):`
`23:50.06`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: otapi: fix mandatory and optional argument names for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo`
`23:50.06`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: odevice: update docs for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.*`
`23:54.28`	`jonkristian`	`hm, i can ping 192.168.0.200 whish usb0 is on, but i can't ssh to it`
`23:55.07`	`sicu`	`aren't you meant to ssh to 192.168.0.202 ?`
`23:55.13`	`sicu`	`not 200`
`23:56.04`	`jonkristian`	`just get a no route to host`
`23:57.06`	`sicu`	`yes ... that is 200 ... you should be using 202`
`23:57.26`	`sicu`	`or do you get same on 202 ?`
`23:58.09`	`jonkristian`	`i get no route to host on 202`
`23:58.17`	`jonkristian`	`i can't ping 202 either`
`23:58.35`	`jonkristian`	`in dmesg when i plug-in the device, i get usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device, b2:7f:7e:c2:62:8b`
`23:59.26`	`jonkristian`	`im just going to reboot everything here`
`23:59.52`	`CIA-51`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r00e4b7670532 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'`

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