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| 00:03.51 | pooze1 | how do I get to Illume's preferences? |
| 00:04.07 | pooze1 | trying to install raster's keyboard. |
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| 00:24.47 | pooze1 | oh man... this illume theme crashes all the time. |
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| 00:31.13 | slaxxin | http://www.hackable1.org/news.html |
| 00:31.54 | pooze1 | interesting |
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| 00:32.36 | pooze1 | btw... anybody... is it possible to create own keyboard layout for the qtopia predictive keyboard? |
| 00:33.37 | balrog-k1n | the predictive keyboard should... predict the layout you wanted to use |
| 00:33.45 | pooze1 | uhm... |
| 00:33.46 | pooze1 | funny |
| 00:33.56 | pooze1 | it doesn't predict that I want norwegian characters on my keyboard :( |
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| 00:50.41 | pooze1 | nobody changed the layout of the qtopia predictive keyboard? |
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| 01:21.57 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rb612f710bd18 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): Made device, service and server path configurable |
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| 01:33.17 | Ohmu | anyone wana sell me a cheap freerunner? :p |
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| 02:13.40 | jaebird | heh |
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| 02:24.00 | daMaestro | really? no downloads? |
| 02:24.00 | daMaestro | blah |
| 02:24.13 | daMaestro | anyone have a suggestion on how to fix broken usb networking/ |
| 02:24.16 | daMaestro | ? |
| 02:25.31 | Dave | Care to elaborate? |
| 02:25.41 | Dave | Are we even talking about the freerunner here, Jon? :P |
| 02:26.14 | daMaestro | Dave, yeah.. at some point it looks like i broke usb networking |
| 02:26.23 | daMaestro | Dave, and the now dowloads == http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Downloads |
| 02:26.27 | Dave | Under what distro? |
| 02:26.29 | daMaestro | Dave, the damn "mp3" issue |
| 02:26.31 | Dave | eh? |
| 02:26.33 | Dave | oh, hah! |
| 02:26.36 | daMaestro | ASU 2008.9 |
| 02:26.38 | Dave | aesome |
| 02:26.39 | Dave | yeah |
| 02:26.43 | Dave | I heard it was fail |
| 02:26.54 | daMaestro | i was trying to configure WPA for my corp. wifi |
| 02:26.57 | Dave | Did you go with that 2008.X "update" ? |
| 02:27.07 | daMaestro | yes, and that worked fine |
| 02:27.08 | Dave | Yeah, I remember your plight from the other day :) |
| 02:27.12 | Dave | exactly |
| 02:27.20 | Dave | So now you want to flash "back," right? |
| 02:27.42 | daMaestro | well.. not really, i just need to fix wired network access |
| 02:27.43 | daMaestro | lol |
| 02:27.52 | Dave | oh snaps |
| 02:27.53 | daMaestro | however, i guess there are no upstream updates right now; due to mp3 fail |
| 02:28.11 | daMaestro | is finally using the freerunner as a fulltime phone |
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| 02:28.27 | daMaestro | & |
| 02:29.44 | Dave | wow |
| 02:29.51 | Dave | A first in Openmoko? |
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| 02:55.27 | Dave | Ken :) |
| 02:57.13 | KenYoung | Hi Dave, What's new? |
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| 02:59.00 | KenYoung | Dave - you still haven't sent me a list of nonnegotiable demands for changes to orrery. |
| 03:03.58 | Dave | Hah |
| 03:04.11 | Dave | Yeah, I've been too busy changing distros, and testing dev code |
| 03:04.25 | Dave | would you prefer some celestial hate mail? :) |
| 03:04.39 | KenYoung | I crave feedback of any kind. |
| 03:08.57 | Wonka | ROFL, i just found a bug in zhone's gps stuff... |
| 03:09.55 | Wonka | satellites with elevation near 90 are shown near the edge of this circle thingy, satellites with elevation near zero are near the center |
| 03:10.13 | Wonka | quite the wrong way round... |
| 03:12.09 | Wonka | and btw, my gps problems are gone after i deleted the ogpsd.pickle - before, the gps chip threw an exception after uploading almanach data and continued to just output NMEA, which was not parsed, and didn't output any ubx |
| 03:12.35 | Wonka | but now it's time to sleep |
| 03:12.40 | Dave | haha |
| 03:12.43 | Dave | lollerpython |
| 03:16.49 | Dave | Ainulindale, I choose you! |
| 03:18.00 | Dave | What did you cut out of the latest image? |
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| 03:27.42 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03tick * reb855af76018 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Volume Control Slide Bar. |
| 03:29.12 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03tick * r308224ef2f37 10/etc/default/Trolltech/PhoneProfile.conf: Call Volume: Set the default Call Volume to 4 For Neo A7 need louder voice. |
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| 03:43.50 | Sargun | Dave. |
| 03:46.53 | Dave | Sargun. |
| 03:47.08 | Sargun | FSO is awesome. |
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| 03:48.26 | Dave | haw |
| 03:59.37 | Dave | Sargun, what has it done now? |
| 04:03.55 | Dave | Joerg, bad news... |
| 04:04.05 | Dave | Another one of my freerunnner batteries is pregnant... :\ |
| 04:04.47 | Sargun | o.O |
| 04:04.51 | Sargun | this is bad. |
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| 04:22.59 | Dave | crap |
| 04:23.03 | Dave | error -62 |
| 04:23.08 | daMaestro | the answer is 43 |
| 04:23.30 | Dave | off-by-one? |
| 04:26.14 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 04:27.49 | Dave | damnit |
| 04:28.05 | daMaestro | Dave, now get this tattoo http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/42_as_Interleaved_2_of_5_barcode.jpg |
| 04:29.02 | Dave | bah :P |
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| 04:50.26 | skbohra1 | hi |
| 04:50.33 | skbohra1 | everybody |
| 04:50.49 | skbohra1 | had anybody ever heard about tuxphone ? |
| 04:58.02 | lpotter | yep |
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| 05:00.45 | skbohra1 | I think that project is now inactive |
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| 05:15.58 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r24e169a7991b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: qtopia: Bump up Qtopia to 308224ef2f37548b6865f21e643b62a4d6a28a5b |
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| 05:26.40 | slaxxin | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 05:26.40 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.40 | slaxxin | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 05:27.39 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:06.13 | slaxxin | debian working once again |
| 06:08.16 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rd328a21ccfca 10/packages/efl1/ (etk/etk_scrolled_view_set_range_check.patch etk_svn.bb): etk: adding more boundary check for scroll bars |
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| 07:17.49 | Ainulindale | Dave: Why did I cut out latest? Huh? |
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| 07:20.56 | Zoup | is there any iptables package for om2008 ? |
| 07:25.01 | Dave | Ainu, I am apparently unable to flash the latest image :( |
| 07:25.09 | Dave | dfu bombs out |
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| 07:26.00 | Ainulindale | Huh?why? |
| 07:28.46 | Dave | dfu_download error -62 |
| 07:28.54 | Dave | it craps out mid-way through |
| 07:31.16 | Dave | Very disappointing. |
| 07:32.37 | Dave | Oh and Ainu, I was trying to figure out earlier why the image build from days ago was 20M larger |
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| 07:36.23 | Ainulindale | That's because of the locales |
| 07:36.34 | Ainulindale | I stripped some to give it a try |
| 07:36.38 | Ainulindale | And I removed xming |
| 07:36.43 | Ainulindale | (10M) |
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| 07:45.05 | Dave | Ah |
| 07:45.34 | Dave | Ainulindale, I'm guessing my dfu woes are unrelated to the latest build image :P |
| 07:45.43 | Dave | or rather independent of whatever issues it may have :) |
| 07:46.23 | Ainulindale | I hope they are yes |
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| 08:28.52 | Dave | Hmm... |
| 08:29.55 | BluesLee | are there any fso/zhone users are out there |
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| 08:43.52 | Ainulindale | Dave: I'll probably regenerate an image tonight, so you'll be able to test it |
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| 09:01.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: ayt? |
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| 09:30.16 | ajuonline | oops ignore |
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| 09:44.26 | Ohmu | Does the Wifi let an openmoko user _create_ a wireless network? would many local users be able to create a P2P mesh? |
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| 09:47.38 | Sargun | no, it does not |
| 09:47.45 | Sargun | but you can do ad-hoc |
| 09:48.24 | Ohmu | what's the difference? |
| 09:48.41 | Sargun | ad-hoc wireless networks are PtP |
| 09:48.43 | Sargun | err |
| 09:48.54 | Sargun | MultiPoint to MultiPoint |
| 09:49.14 | Sargun | whereas Infrastructure networks are Point to Multipoint |
| 09:49.38 | SpeedEvil | you can't set the FR to multipoint? |
| 09:49.50 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, what do you mean? |
| 09:49.54 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 09:49.59 | SpeedEvil | infrastructure |
| 09:51.37 | Sargun | you can set it to infrastructure |
| 09:51.40 | Sargun | just not master mode |
| 09:52.20 | Ohmu | what's the issues on using the phone capability internationally? like uk/singapore/japan/india? I'd just have to buy SIM locally? |
| 09:52.34 | Sargun | Why are you asking all these questions? |
| 09:52.38 | Sargun | The wiki answers them. |
| 09:52.51 | Sargun | but since I'm not an asshole |
| 09:53.40 | Ohmu | TBH I couldn't find an answer to the first one |
| 09:53.48 | Ohmu | but ur right. I'll read more ;) |
| 09:54.37 | Sargun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#On_what_bands_does_the_Neo_FreeRunner_operate.3F_Will_it_work_in_my_area.3F |
| 09:55.27 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 09:55.50 | SpeedEvil | There is an easy way to find anything in the wiki. |
| 09:55.56 | SpeedEvil | It's called reading every page. |
| 09:55.57 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 09:56.01 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, read the entire thing? |
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| 09:56.02 | Sargun | oh |
| 09:56.03 | Sargun | yeah |
| 09:56.03 | lindi- | wget -r && grep -r |
| 09:56.05 | Sargun | I agree |
| 09:56.25 | Sargun | lindi-, I agree. |
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| 10:01.17 | Ohmu | well at the rate wine is compiling I will probably have enough time to read the whole wiki. |
| 10:02.00 | Sargun | why are you compiling wine |
| 10:02.04 | Sargun | Gentoo? |
| 10:02.31 | Ohmu | I need to fix it so I can run Dragon; I have severe RSI :/ |
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| 10:06.21 | Ohmu | Sargun, I've seen that link ... I'm not asking about coverage. I can see the hardware runs everywhere. But can I get a SIM that will work everywhere? Does the thing come with a SIM in it? |
| 10:06.50 | SpeedEvil | No, no |
| 10:07.05 | SpeedEvil | Some places have no GSM coverage. |
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| 10:07.16 | SpeedEvil | And you have to pick 3 of 4 possible bands. |
| 10:07.17 | Sargun | like antartica |
| 10:07.26 | Ohmu | :) |
| 10:07.34 | SpeedEvil | Like japan forex |
| 10:07.37 | SpeedEvil | and IIRC india |
| 10:07.59 | Sargun | India has GSM |
| 10:08.21 | SpeedEvil | For example, in the UK, with US freerunners, you can't use about half of the networks |
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| 10:08.42 | SpeedEvil | And with a UK/EU/... one, you can't use all (?) of the networks in the states |
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| 10:10.14 | Ohmu | So I'll just need to buy a SIM for every country I go, and if I commute between US and RestOfWorld I'll maybe get problems, right? |
| 10:10.32 | SpeedEvil | Some countries have no GSM service. |
| 10:11.00 | SpeedEvil | Some countries/carriers will work on one frequency only - and if your FR doesn't support it, you can't get service on that carrier/country |
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| 10:11.29 | SpeedEvil | You can typically 'roam' outside your coverage area for large amounts of money. |
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| 10:11.51 | SpeedEvil | But if there more than a couple of calls, buying a SIM locally is a good idea typically. |
| 10:12.07 | Sargun | Ohmu, commute from where to where? |
| 10:12.52 | Ohmu | Sargun, I need to travel between India, UK, Singapore, Japan |
| 10:14.04 | Ohmu | I think I'd just skype off the wifi. |
| 10:14.11 | Sargun | I have a better solution |
| 10:14.26 | Sargun | stop commuting |
| 10:15.34 | Ohmu | ... /s/commute/travel erratically between |
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| 10:18.01 | Ohmu | I don't have a killer carbon footprint for the record... rkn the energy I save in UK winter central heating > plane kerosene. |
| 10:18.15 | zogg_ | g'morning |
| 10:18.18 | Sargun | why do you do tihs? |
| 10:18.18 | Ohmu | gtg bbl |
| 10:19.05 | Ohmu | Sargun: Kalarippayatt: Have to train in India but can't earn in India |
| 10:19.12 | Ohmu | bbl |
| 10:19.20 | Sargun | bye |
| 10:20.51 | Sup3rkiddo | my freerunner just works here in India.. |
| 10:22.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | "just works" sounds good :-) |
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| 10:24.26 | Sup3rkiddo | well..too good :/, but here, you can get cell phones real cheap without any binding contract..i put my 3 year old airtel SIM and it just works.. |
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| 10:29.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | Sup3rkiddo: you seen MOKO10 update? |
| 10:30.43 | Sup3rkiddo | DocScrutinizer, no..what that? |
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| 10:31.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | see wiki/gsm/flashing :-) |
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| 10:31.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | fixes #666 |
| 10:33.00 | Sup3rkiddo | ah, that.... |
| 10:33.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | *might* fix CME512 error (forgot ticket # for this one) |
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| 10:35.05 | Sup3rkiddo | (some ticket number that...666) |
| 10:36.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | yoh, if we can fix a ticket with THIS number, nothing will stop us from now on |
| 10:36.52 | bumbl | DocScrutinizer2: any eta when the image (start, run, finished) for updating the gsm firmware comes out |
| 10:37.29 | bumbl | and: are there any advanages over the factory firmware if I don't suffer from bug 666 |
| 10:38.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | bumbl: i planned to give it a first try today. Alas I slept away the whole day :-D |
| 10:38.12 | bumbl | :p |
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| 10:39.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | (advantage) nope. prolly not |
| 10:39.29 | bumbl | hmm |
| 10:39.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | there's AT+CSIM support, for EAP |
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| 10:40.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | we didn't yet verify if #1024 is affected as well |
| 10:40.48 | bumbl | afaik I don't use that one either |
| 10:41.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | chances are small tho |
| 10:41.34 | bumbl | DocScrutinizer2: I am not affected by this one |
| 10:41.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | AT+CSIM? no, prolly not (yet) |
| 10:41.43 | bumbl | seems as I am quite lucky |
| 10:41.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | \o/ |
| 10:41.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 10:42.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | buzz? |
| 10:42.32 | Sup3rkiddo | my package for freerunner said Engineering sample....and i have no echo, no buzz... |
| 10:42.34 | bumbl | no wsod, no echo lately, no buzzing lately, although the volume is a bit low |
| 10:42.47 | Sup3rkiddo | its just the volume being a bit low |
| 10:42.48 | bumbl | no #666 no #1024 |
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| 10:43.40 | bumbl | ttff is a bit slow ~2min outside |
| 10:43.45 | bumbl | but I can live with that |
| 10:43.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | for volume see Tick's latest findin on AT cmd for adjusting this |
| 10:45.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | (ttff) that's around same ttff I see on my N810 and Samsung OMNIA |
| 10:45.08 | bumbl | DocScrutinizer2: devel mailinglist? |
| 10:45.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, IIRC. ~18h ago |
| 10:46.33 | bumbl | yes saw it |
| 10:46.55 | bumbl | just waiting for fso/shr to include this one |
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| 10:47.23 | frojnd | Hello there :) |
| 10:48.13 | frojnd | Are those news correct: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/November_16th%2C_2008 where it says: "Werner announced a coming upgrade to the Calypso GSM chip firmware (meanwhile, the wiki is your friend). The goal with the moko9 firmware is to fix ticket 666 and introduce a new command AT+CSIM. Than means 3G SIM cards should work" So we will have UMTS working ? |
| 10:48.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | bumbl: we're planing to include decent settings for volume in MOKO11. Til then, you can use the AT, which should be included to FSO pretty soon |
| 10:50.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | frojnd: it's MOKO10 actually. And no, this will *not* turn calypso into a UMTS chipset :-D |
| 10:50.27 | bumbl | frojnd: you are able to use umts sim cards |
| 10:50.37 | bumbl | but you are limited to the capabilities of the modem |
| 10:50.55 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer2: do you know if there is a detailed changelog for each gsm firmware image? |
| 10:50.55 | frojnd | bumbl: great, but it's in progress right ' |
| 10:51.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | it just fixes #666, so a number of sim will work |
| 10:51.12 | frojnd | I mean, I have 10/1 MB for just 10EUR a month here... |
| 10:51.18 | frojnd | vau umts.. |
| 10:51.20 | frojnd | via |
| 10:51.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | lindi-: yup, I know :) |
| 10:52.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | maybe we eventually might clean it up and publish |
| 10:52.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | for now there's some NDA related stuff in it |
| 10:53.27 | frojnd | Heh, does those distros for om support devel tools, to programm in c++ or such ? |
| 10:53.34 | bumbl | 10/1MB? |
| 10:53.40 | frojnd | bumbl: that's the package |
| 10:54.00 | frojnd | bumbl: so it's 1MB/1024 KB/s |
| 10:54.00 | bumbl | 10MB for 10 � |
| 10:54.08 | frojnd | bumbl: including calls |
| 10:54.22 | frojnd | in a t-2 mobile and fixing phones for free.. |
| 10:54.31 | frojnd | in other mobile networks for 0,093 |
| 10:54.45 | frojnd | in other fixed network for 0,0125 eur / min |
| 10:54.51 | frojnd | pretty chip and hot :P |
| 10:55.37 | bumbl | hmm if the freerunner would have dualsim and umts I would get a 9⬠15gb contract |
| 10:55.48 | bumbl | hsdpa |
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| 10:55.51 | bumbl | hsupa |
| 10:55.55 | frojnd | bumbl: where u from ? |
| 10:56.04 | frojnd | bumbl: by UMTS ? |
| 10:56.13 | walkie__ | tell me please where to report possible illume bug? |
| 10:56.45 | frojnd | bumbl: and what do u mean 19GB ? |
| 10:56.59 | frojnd | bumbl: his is how much can u make a traffic a month ? |
| 10:58.31 | bumbl | frojnd: yep 15gb for 9⬠if you do the contract when you are under 28 I think |
| 10:58.42 | bumbl | full hsdpa and hsupa |
| 10:58.46 | bumbl | Austria |
| 10:59.00 | frojnd | bumbl: what's not good... we don't have any limitations ... about how much ucan trasnfer.. |
| 10:59.24 | frojnd | bumbl: and the speed ? |
| 10:59.36 | bumbl | frojnd: hsdpa, hsupa |
| 11:00.24 | frojnd | bumbl: so it's from 1-14MB download |
| 11:00.40 | bumbl | so in theory: 7.3 MBit/s downlink, 5,8 MBit/s uplink |
| 11:00.42 | bumbl | I think |
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| 11:00.54 | bumbl | I don't have internet to go at the moment |
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| 11:01.18 | bumbl | still too expensive compared to my dsl flat |
| 11:01.20 | frojnd | bumbl: nice replacement, if only were unlimited :P |
| 11:01.58 | lindi- | bumbl: i have "unlimited" transfer for 10EUR |
| 11:02.17 | frojnd | lindi-: where you at ? |
| 11:02.23 | lindi- | finland |
| 11:02.30 | frojnd | lindi-: ah.. logical :) |
| 11:02.38 | lindi- | frojnd: but of course we are talking about 3G here, not adsl |
| 11:02.53 | frojnd | lindi-: understand |
| 11:03.08 | bumbl | lindi-: nice |
| 11:03.17 | frojnd | we are negotiating here to get ftth but we need sponosrs :D |
| 11:03.34 | lindi- | so in theory it's (384/8*60*60)/1024*24*31/1024 = 122 giga bytes per month |
| 11:04.19 | bumbl | lindi-: you will get chucked by your provider though |
| 11:04.36 | lindi- | yeah |
| 11:04.43 | frojnd | hehe |
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| 11:04.51 | lindi- | and i'd need to be constantly charging the battery |
| 11:05.19 | frojnd | lindi-: save the battery put it out and just plug to electricity :P |
| 11:08.29 | bumbl | lindi-: get an usb umts modem and start downloading on your computer |
| 11:08.32 | frojnd | Will open moko ever last for 380 hours in idle time as other phones since it has linux and not symbian on it ? |
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| 11:14.47 | bumbl | DocScrutinizer2: is it planned to include a ultra low power coprocessor which is only responsible for power management in gta03 (so that we could turn off the main cpu) |
| 11:17.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | no such plans for GTA03 right now |
| 11:19.44 | bumbl | this would bring lots of additional suspend time, wouldn't it? |
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| 11:20.49 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 11:20.56 | SpeedEvil | Several reasons. |
| 11:21.21 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, and largely based on the datasheet numbers. |
| 11:21.44 | SpeedEvil | The long pole in suspend battery current isn't the halted CPU if it's in the proper powerdown mode. |
| 11:21.44 | lindi- | bumbl: it came with the deal |
| 11:21.48 | SpeedEvil | It's in keeping the RAM alive. |
| 11:22.25 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe the GSM module. |
| 11:22.25 | lindi- | bumbl: works fine with neo: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/3gnettitikku1.jpg |
| 11:22.29 | SpeedEvil | However, it's being considered AIUI for GTA04 for several reasons. |
| 11:22.33 | bumbl | lindi-: nice |
| 11:22.50 | lindi- | bumbl: now i only need the Y cable to be able to charge while using usb devices |
| 11:23.19 | bumbl | *me wants to have* |
| 11:23.29 | bumbl | xmas is coming soon |
| 11:23.40 | SpeedEvil | Basically it adds lots of flexibility. There is at the moment nothing between hardware defined behaviour - press button X when powered off -> NOR boot, and software behaviours - reject call, ... |
| 11:24.52 | bumbl | SpeedEvil: ah ok |
| 11:25.36 | SpeedEvil | The little micro would possibly add stuff like a simple reflashing process that is brickproof, a more flexible power managment solution, as it can control the power unit when it comes up, not having to rely on the defaults being right, and all sorts of little conveniences in design. |
| 11:25.37 | lindi- | bumbl: the only issue is that the usb port is on the right side of neo |
| 11:25.43 | SpeedEvil | And it makes it lots more configurable - so that if you screw up in your conception of the power managment logic at first, you can fix it in firmware, not have to go to another PCB revision |
| 11:25.47 | lindi- | bumbl: it would be better if it did not stick out like that |
| 11:26.58 | SpeedEvil | Then there are the possible added features - logging GPS or GSM when 'off' and only waking up on configured events. |
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| 11:27.40 | lindi- | logging gps might be interesting |
| 11:27.42 | SpeedEvil | For example, at teh moment the only way to do 'wake on gesture' would be to have the CPU alive all the time |
| 11:28.09 | bumbl | logging gps is interesting yes |
| 11:28.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: nope |
| 11:28.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | gmeters have trigger and IRQ |
| 11:29.02 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer2: sure - but the system then has to wake on every little jolt with zero latency, and decide that it's not the gesture, and go to sleep. |
| 11:29.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | wake on *any* movement is feasible |
| 11:29.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, mostly latency is an issue |
| 11:29.59 | SpeedEvil | It's a swings and roundabouts thing. There are things that make anotehr processor seem nice, and there are problems with it too. |
| 11:30.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | probably "shake to wake, the do gesture" |
| 11:30.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | s/the/then/ |
| 11:30.56 | SpeedEvil | However, having said tht. |
| 11:31.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | very much on the point |
| 11:31.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: :-) |
| 11:31.36 | SpeedEvil | If the datasheet numbers for the CPU clocked right down can be hit, a lot of the 'low current CPU always running' CPUs become slightly less important |
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| 11:32.13 | SpeedEvil | As battery life of >1 day might be achievable easily in that case. |
| 11:32.14 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 11:32.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | hmm, my favourite approach: zero clock, not suspend |
| 11:32.41 | SpeedEvil | If only the leakage currents agreed :/ |
| 11:33.29 | SpeedEvil | IIRC the current at 0 clock and at minimal clock are approximately equal, though the datasheet poorly specifies this. |
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| 11:38.10 | frojnd | Guys... are tehre any movies or presentations of freerunner in action ? |
| 11:38.28 | SpeedEvil | youtube, search for freerunner |
| 11:38.33 | SpeedEvil | or openmoko |
| 11:38.41 | SpeedEvil | and then sort by date |
| 11:38.43 | frojnd | SpeedEvil: there are only low quatlity movies |
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| 11:43.12 | grumpytoad | is it possible to bind the AUX button to a script ? |
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| 11:48.53 | lindi- | grumpytoad: sure? |
| 11:49.31 | bumbl | grumpytoad: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_4 |
| 11:49.36 | bumbl | oeventsd |
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| 11:52.46 | grumpytoad | bumbl: thanks for the link! |
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| 12:54.37 | Lo-lan-do | G'day all. |
| 12:55.22 | Lo-lan-do | My MicroSD card seems to have died, so I was wondering about the status of the partition-table corruption bug these days before deciding what to buy. |
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| 13:08.37 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer2: by the way, my O2 SIM works (for some value > 0) with moko10b2 |
| 13:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: great! Waht's this "value > 0" tho? |
| 13:09.49 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer2: i have had ppp connects already, but ipcp seems to never get a remote IP, which seems to lead to problems - is that a gsm problem or a problem with my provider? |
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| 13:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | no GSM issue |
| 13:10.19 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer2: also, sometimes it takes ages to get any response on any command from the modem at all |
| 13:11.09 | Wonka | open mux channel, AT, wait, timeout, close channel, repeat |
| 13:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | this might be a fw issue, but I guess it's about flow control and correct sequence of chars sent to modem. so again: probably sw issue |
| 13:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | the muxer isn't that rock solid yet, for all I know |
| 13:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | (that's sw-side) |
| 13:12.33 | Wonka | might be... but then, it isn't a problem i could fix - handling of the ttySAC1 is done by gsm0710muxd |
| 13:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 13:13.32 | Wonka | on another note, i get messages about rxerrors when using GPS - could the ppp stuff be related? |
| 13:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | you could try to not start gsm0710muxd (it can't be stopped, nce it's starte) and check for responsiveness of modem, by using the command sequence suggested for test in wiki/gsm/flashing |
| 13:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | (rxerrors) no idea, "doesn't compute. input missing" ;-) |
| 13:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | first: GPS and ppp unrelated |
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| 13:32.29 | Gromgull | dam nsettings doesn't start... |
| 13:32.31 | Gromgull | damn settings |
| 13:33.27 | Gromgull | i've had this thing for 2-3 months now, and it slowly gets worse... |
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| 13:41.31 | spydon | Gromgull, lucky you that you can flash it back to the way it was when you bought it then ;) |
| 13:42.00 | Gromgull | :) |
| 13:42.03 | Gromgull | good point |
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| 13:42.15 | Gromgull | but 2007.X seems like a bit of a dead end |
| 13:43.12 | Wonka | why must I set CONFIG_MACH_NEO1973_GTA01 to not get warnings about no reference to s3c2410_pwm_init? |
| 13:43.26 | Wonka | this is... not fine, at least |
| 13:43.36 | spydon | which one? :P |
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| 13:44.46 | Wonka | ? |
| 13:45.00 | CVirus | ! |
| 13:45.05 | Wonka | i am compiling for a GTA02 with S3C2442 |
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| 13:50.52 | emsyr | Gromgull: flash it to 2008. 2007 is no longer supported. |
| 13:51.20 | Gromgull | yes yes I know - it was a joke from spydon :) |
| 13:51.26 | Gromgull | but thanks |
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| 13:51.41 | emsyr | OK :) |
| 13:52.42 | spydon | hehe have you tried the lasersword app? :P |
| 13:52.52 | Gromgull | No! |
| 13:53.04 | Gromgull | this might make it all worthwhile! |
| 13:53.12 | Wonka | spydon: there is one for the FR? *want!* |
| 13:53.33 | spydon | yes :P |
| 13:53.47 | Wonka | spydon: wherewherewherewhere? |
| 13:53.58 | spydon | linklinklink soonsoonsoon |
| 13:54.47 | spydon | ah damn I got to go now :P |
| 13:54.52 | spydon | I will put it on my ftp later |
| 13:55.13 | Gromgull | hey - does anyone have doom running? |
| 13:55.24 | Gromgull | whenever the game starts the menu always comes up almost immediately |
| 13:55.40 | Wonka | hmm, i'd like a doom .deb too... |
| 13:57.33 | Gromgull | i tried to make one |
| 13:57.37 | Gromgull | but the dependencies are broken |
| 13:57.43 | Gromgull | libsdl-net does not install |
| 13:57.45 | Gromgull | I think it was |
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| 14:10.01 | Fougner | hey guys |
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| 14:16.22 | Gromgull | hi |
| 14:21.09 | Openfree | hi, when i use "make all" to try build ASU image, it fail at qemu-native |
| 14:21.46 | Lo-lan-do | So, no wisdom around here about the SD card corruption bug? |
| 14:22.19 | Openfree | says no "linux/direct.h" found, did i miss something? should i install linux-native(kernel header)? |
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| 15:42.12 | Fougner | Dave, ! :D |
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| 16:02.21 | TAsn | man, I hate isps ;] |
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| 16:18.19 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf8798f80f6b4 10/framework/subsystems/onetworkd/ (dhcp.py network.py sharing.py): onetworkd: simple connection sharing seems to work now! |
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| 16:44.57 | Dave | Pesky Fougners |
| 16:48.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: moinmoin U nasty hacker ;-) |
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| 16:50.54 | baba_melone | Hi, can anybody tell me where to receive a working andriod image |
| 16:51.08 | baba_melone | the download link from the wiki doesnt work |
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| 16:51.24 | baba_melone | only the kernel image is available |
| 16:51.39 | slaxxin | dammit man |
| 16:52.09 | balrog-k1n | should be in the same directory as the kernel |
| 16:52.09 | Dave | :P |
| 16:52.16 | Dave | hallo joerg :) |
| 16:52.21 | baba_melone | it isnt |
| 16:52.22 | slaxxin | dave has taken the android an broken it |
| 16:52.35 | balrog-k1n | davity Dave ! |
| 16:52.37 | Dave | I broke its pride :P |
| 16:52.54 | baba_melone | ... |
| 16:53.06 | baba_melone | theres really no image for the filesystem |
| 16:53.15 | baba_melone | its not on the server |
| 16:53.22 | balrog-k1n | maybe it contained and mp3 playz0r |
| 16:53.55 | baba_melone | possible |
| 16:54.18 | baba_melone | thats where ive looked for it: http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 16:54.18 | slaxxin | whats u gonna do with it? |
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| 16:54.46 | baba_melone | flash my neo and try it out |
| 16:54.48 | Dave | haha |
| 16:54.52 | Dave | stalk him! |
| 16:55.26 | Dave | Furthermore, who is responsible for several of these hot new shr themes? |
| 16:55.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r971b246ca2c4 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore |
| 16:55.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc4b861f15bcc 10/fsod/src/ (Makefile.am resource.vala): |
| 16:55.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: Add abstract Resource class. |
| 16:55.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: FIXME: make the methods async |
| 16:55.57 | balrog-k1n | NOT ME |
| 16:56.09 | Dave | obviously not :P |
| 16:56.14 | balrog-k1n | :p |
| 16:56.32 | slaxxin | dave has stalkie syndrome |
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| 16:56.39 | Dave | :[ |
| 16:56.50 | Dave | yeah, why are people stalking me? |
| 16:57.02 | slaxxin | do people stalk u dave |
| 16:57.09 | balrog-k1n | you're such an easy target |
| 16:57.26 | mwester | Dave the Destroyer (of FRs) |
| 16:57.42 | Dave | :O |
| 16:57.52 | slaxxin | now we know why he has so many mokos |
| 16:58.01 | Dave | Mwester, it's apparently no longer limited to just freerunners... :\ |
| 16:58.26 | slaxxin | daves moko salvage |
| 16:58.34 | Dave | oh, that brings me to Joerg! |
| 16:58.44 | Dave | Joerg, I need to speak with you, if you have a moment. |
| 16:58.48 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 16:58.55 | Dave | oh great -_- |
| 16:58.59 | Dave | not him |
| 16:59.00 | Fougner | haha |
| 16:59.11 | Fougner | I've come in peace :O |
| 16:59.33 | balrog-k1n | this time |
| 16:59.48 | Dave | jævla hæstkuk ¬_¬ |
| 17:00.21 | Fougner | Dave, watch it! |
| 17:00.30 | Dave | niets! |
| 17:00.43 | Fougner | Dave din lilla fjortis! |
| 17:00.48 | Dave | :D |
| 17:01.05 | Fougner | haha |
| 17:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | away |
| 17:01.15 | Dave | NOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo |
| 17:01.21 | Fougner | ? |
| 17:01.24 | Dave | Joooooooooeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrggggggggggggg |
| 17:01.27 | Fougner | away |
| 17:01.40 | Dave | Phew |
| 17:01.42 | Fougner | ooooooOOOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOo |
| 17:01.45 | Dave | We'll at least THAT'S over |
| 17:01.47 | Dave | :P |
| 17:01.53 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 17:01.57 | Dave | Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 17:01.57 | Fougner | Honey I'm back =D |
| 17:02.02 | Dave | LIES |
| 17:02.12 | Dave | beats Fougner with a rubber chicken |
| 17:02.31 | Fougner | mmm, hehe |
| 17:02.41 | Fougner | no, seriously, I'm out of here for now |
| 17:02.44 | Fougner | bbkl |
| 17:02.45 | Fougner | bbl |
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| 17:03.30 | balrog-k1n | nobody's going to believe it now |
| 17:03.52 | Dave | "the foreigner who cried dave" |
| 17:03.55 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
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| 17:06.48 | Dave | oh no... |
| 17:06.57 | Dave | all our openmokoness has been absorbed by teh goog |
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| 17:13.48 | Dave | More sexy themes please! |
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| 17:36.48 | Dave | bugs bugs and MORE bugs! |
| 17:36.57 | Dave | Ainu Ainu Ainu |
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| 17:41.09 | Dave | Wow, perfect surround sound accoustics is truly impressive. |
| 17:41.43 | badcloud_ | in what? |
| 17:42.53 | Dave | Ainulindale, I have simply noticed a few usability issues, and I have a suggestion on something else :] |
| 17:42.57 | Dave | Direct my wrath ;) |
| 17:43.31 | balrog-k1n | imagines Dave with five FRs laying around him used as surround speakers |
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| 17:43.59 | Dave | :D |
| 17:44.21 | mwester | imagines Dave with five FR's laying around him used as surround speakers, all with USB plugged into the adjecent one's headphone jack... |
| 17:44.22 | Dave | pictures the surround sound sombrero |
| 17:44.34 | Dave | Mwester, chain lightning? :D |
| 17:44.45 | Dave | one feeds off the previous one's pain! |
| 17:44.48 | Dave | :X |
| 17:44.48 | mwester | a Portal to Another Place will Open |
| 17:44.54 | Dave | Certainly! |
| 17:44.59 | Dave | Hell? |
| 17:45.10 | mwester | A place Beyond Hell |
| 17:45.19 | mwester | (full of nothing but Glamo chips |
| 17:45.21 | mwester | 0 |
| 17:45.26 | Dave | AHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 17:45.29 | Dave | Nooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:45.40 | Sup3rkiddo | heh |
| 17:46.13 | Dave | haha at the end of this year I really should make a sort of freerunner sombrero hahah |
| 17:46.26 | Wonka | throws handfulls of glamo chips at Dave |
| 17:46.34 | Dave | runs for his life |
| 17:46.59 | Wonka | glamonite? |
| 17:47.17 | Dave | :O |
| 17:47.23 | Dave | My one true weakness? |
| 17:48.24 | Dave | Mwester, I've been fooling with SHR lately. |
| 17:48.35 | Dave | I hear it's what all the kids are doing these days :P |
| 17:48.36 | badcloud_ | so how usable is the device at this point running om 2008? |
| 17:48.37 | mwester | is "fooling" the right word? |
| 17:48.56 | mwester | om2008.x is evil. |
| 17:49.15 | badcloud_ | gocha |
| 17:49.34 | badcloud_ | so how's the alternative then? |
| 17:50.26 | prjktdtnt | agrees with mwester |
| 17:50.33 | mwester | Dave: there are only three choices in two categories for the FR: category "phone" == Qt Extended or (future) Android, category "mobile open computer" == framework + SHR |
| 17:50.58 | mwester | (that answer is also good for badcloud_ 's question ;) ) |
| 17:51.15 | Dave | Man |
| 17:51.17 | prjktdtnt | Tried SHR, ran very clean but none of the apps would launch and wasn't sure how to actually place phone calls with it |
| 17:51.22 | Dave | I'm never going to release my keyboard! |
| 17:51.42 | mwester | SHR is very much in development; there were three images last Friday, and only the last one worked well. :) |
| 17:52.12 | badcloud_ | in short, I'll just play the waiting game if I don't have time or means to develop for it |
| 17:52.17 | Dave | Yep :p |
| 17:52.21 | mwester | Dave: your keyboard is all that is between Android and success! Release! Release! "Let my keyboard go!!" |
| 17:53.11 | mwester | er, and the WSoD problem.. and the buzz, and the echo... and the unblanking problem... |
| 17:53.22 | mwester | Werner fixed the wifi, though! |
| 17:53.57 | badcloud_ | what a boring fucking movie... don't see Papillon |
| 17:54.03 | prjktdtnt | is laughing hysterically |
| 17:55.19 | Wonka | mwester: what about debian? |
| 17:55.56 | lindi- | mwester: fixed the wifi? |
| 17:56.03 | kd8ikt | dave making a keyboard? |
| 17:56.56 | mwester | Some people love debian! (not me, I'm a Fedora person). There is a strange, odd third category that I don't think fits well but some other do: category "desktop computer with a GSM attached" == debian. |
| 17:57.36 | Wonka | mobile irc device :) |
| 17:57.37 | mwester | lindi-: Yeah. The stable-tracking branch apparently has a wifi driver that associates, is reasonably fast, AND handles suspend/resume at least as well as any laptop. |
| 17:57.51 | Wonka | gps for geocaching and OSMing... |
| 17:57.59 | mwester | Wonka: mobile irc fits into all categories anymore! |
| 17:58.02 | lindi- | mwester: really? |
| 17:58.17 | lindi- | mwester: no events/0 spending 20% cpu time? |
| 17:58.41 | mwester | events/0 has something to do with wifi? |
| 17:59.22 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 17:59.42 | kd8ikt | howcome /cat/cpuinfo is only reporting 200 bogomips? |
| 17:59.43 | Dave | Sweet, now I get Connection Refused when connecting to SHR via usb |
| 17:59.54 | kd8ikt | lol cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:00.12 | kd8ikt | i'm kinda retarded this orning |
| 18:00.20 | lindi- | mwester: yes |
| 18:00.21 | Dave | Kd8, quite so, indeed. |
| 18:00.47 | lindi- | mwester: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//1597 |
| 18:00.49 | kd8ikt | isnt the gta02 400mhz |
| 18:00.54 | Dave | Let my mokos go. |
| 18:01.01 | Wonka | *grml* stable-tracking does not boot. throws at least three stack backtraces in line... managed to see "fiq_kick" at the top of one of them... |
| 18:02.29 | Wonka | "BUG: spinlock lockup on CPU#0, events/0/5" |
| 18:04.06 | Dave | o_o |
| 18:04.09 | Dave | that sounds pretty terrible |
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| 18:04.44 | pb_ | kd8ikt: bogomips doesn't necessarily equate to MHz. it does seem to have a tendency to yield only 50% of the mhz value on arm9 for some reason. |
| 18:04.55 | pb_ | try the lmbench mhz benchmark for a better estimate |
| 18:05.19 | lindi- | frequency benchmark? |
| 18:05.22 | Dave | violently shakes his freerunner |
| 18:05.25 | Dave | LET ME IN, DAMNIT! |
| 18:05.47 | pb_ | lindi-: right, the one called "mhz" |
| 18:06.27 | lindi- | it's MHz :) |
| 18:06.45 | lindi- | but well anyway, bogomips are bogus |
| 18:06.49 | pb_ | the frequency unit is, sure, but the name of the program is "mhz" in lowercase |
| 18:06.54 | lindi- | oh |
| 18:07.06 | pb_ | if you insist on typing "MHz" then you will have no joy running it |
| 18:07.08 | lindi- | didn't recognize since debian has no binary named mhz |
| 18:07.24 | Ainulindale | Dave: shooy |
| 18:07.30 | Ainulindale | s/oy/ot/ |
| 18:07.43 | lindi- | pb_: and lmbench seems to be non-free |
| 18:07.49 | pb_ | lindi-: it should show up in /usr/lib/lmbench somewhere, assuming you have lmbench installed |
| 18:07.55 | Dave | =[ |
| 18:08.29 | pb_ | lindi-: yeah, it's GPL with extra special mcvoy conditions |
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| 18:08.49 | pb_ | iirc, something to do with not distributing results, and/or not saying anything bad about larry, or something along those lines. |
| 18:09.15 | lindi- | yeah, that won't do |
| 18:10.06 | Ainulindale | Dave: I meant, shoot your comments |
| 18:12.15 | Dave | Well, it may not be specific to SHR, in particular |
| 18:12.26 | Dave | since I should harass raster about enlightenment issues I suppose :P |
| 18:12.47 | Dave | but the realestate problem on the home screen is annoying, and the backwards battery status indicator |
| 18:12.57 | Dave | and the settings menu dropdown not retracting |
| 18:14.27 | prjktdtnt | for those already using FSO M4, is SMS working using any of the interfaces (zhone, tichy, etc)? |
| 18:15.29 | prjktdtnt | and do any of them send the keypress while in a call (for those of us who would like to actually delete voicemail messages) |
| 18:16.25 | Dave | lollers |
| 18:16.41 | Dave | Ainulindale, who maintains the shr.bearstech ipk repo? |
| 18:17.02 | Ainulindale | Dave: the what problem of the homescreen and what battery status indicator? |
| 18:17.06 | Ainulindale | Dave: me |
| 18:17.09 | Dave | oh |
| 18:17.37 | Dave | When updating I get a mismatch error for frameworkd |
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| 18:18.16 | Ainulindale | I have to regenerate the bitbake index, but I'm regenerating images at the moment |
| 18:20.42 | Dave | Alright :) |
| 18:20.48 | Dave | I figured it was as such |
| 18:23.42 | Dave | Well, that's pretty sad. |
| 18:24.01 | kd8ikt | you know how to add a .desktop file to a bitbake recipe? or would one need to make a patch |
| 18:24.02 | Dave | palm vs. freerunner |
| 18:24.17 | Dave | the results may shock and amaze you! |
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| 18:28.00 | Staticwave_Ace | palm wins, too bad my palm touchscreen is dead |
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| 18:31.11 | Dave | Aww |
| 18:31.13 | Dave | yeah |
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| 18:41.11 | slaxxin | is shr built today? |
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| 18:42.54 | Dave | were you not just listening? |
| 18:49.28 | kd8ikt | i'm still using yesterdays shr |
| 18:49.47 | kd8ikt | lite |
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| 18:52.11 | Dave | You're SO behind the times, man! |
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| 18:55.02 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.54 | kd8ikt | opkg is so picky |
| 18:56.05 | slaxxin | well i guess not ready yet? |
| 18:56.39 | slaxxin | maybe i need reboot |
| 18:57.28 | Dave | BobOfDoom, appear! |
| 18:57.53 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 19:02.45 | slaxxin | sounded like we goin to the races os something |
| 19:04.43 | slaxxin | frameworkd_0.8.4.4+gitr758+1 is not installing |
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| 19:07.57 | devdas | has a GPS problem |
| 19:08.10 | devdas | The GPS is showing motion when there is none |
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| 19:08.20 | devdas | suggestions? |
| 19:08.41 | TAsn | devdas, stop smoking weed? |
| 19:08.58 | TAsn | j/k, I had that as well, I just needed to wait a few minutes for more sats and then it was just fine ;] |
| 19:09.11 | devdas | TAsn: I am not on anything, the phone has been on a table for ~ 10 hours |
| 19:09.26 | TAsn | facing where? |
| 19:09.26 | devdas | and it's been showing the same thing through the day |
| 19:09.43 | devdas | flat,, parallel to the window |
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| 19:09.55 | TAsn | well mine works fine, when I let it get a fix for a few minutes. |
| 19:10.06 | TAsn | devdas, try to find out how many sats are connected, im off anyway. |
| 19:10.16 | devdas | I haven't seen it having a major problem under an open sky |
| 19:10.46 | mwester-laptop | devdas: it does that, as do many gps chips. The GPS software often filters that noise out. It's often due to reflections and RF interference sorts of things. |
| 19:10.46 | devdas | 12/7, with HDOP 0.9 |
| 19:10.54 | devdas | hmmm |
| 19:11.09 | devdas | K, so it's just noise |
| 19:11.36 | devdas | will setup a build environment in a few hours then |
| 19:12.20 | mwester-laptop | If you plot it over time, you'll likely see that the vast majority of the points are very close, with some odd ones very distant -- those odd ones, as infrequent as they are, result in the software computing "very sudden high-speed" position changes. |
| 19:12.34 | mwester-laptop | So you end up with an non-zero average speed... |
| 19:13.41 | devdas | Looks like it |
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| 19:28.00 | Piet | while almost all openmoko hardware is documented, i'm wondering whether it'S still possible to remotely trigger an eavesdropping function on it, as it's said to be possible with most other mobile phones. |
| 19:28.31 | Piet | i would really appreciate a comment on that by someone who has studied the documentation |
| 19:28.46 | lindi- | Piet: the mic is not directly connected to the gsm chip |
| 19:29.15 | mwester-laptop | Piet: do you also believe that aliens landed at Area 51? |
| 19:29.16 | mwester-laptop | :p |
| 19:29.23 | lindi- | Piet: the analog signals from the mic go to the mixing chip which you can control with alsa |
| 19:29.55 | lindi- | Piet: so unless the mixing chip and the GSM chip somehow conspire (and communicate over analog audio channel?) i don't see how it could be possible |
| 19:29.59 | Piet | that's great lindi- :) |
| 19:30.59 | slaxxin | #bot3688 |
| 19:31.28 | Piet | lindi-: the mixing chip is fully documented, right? |
| 19:31.40 | lindi- | Piet: hard to say |
| 19:31.47 | kd8ikt | reduce the color depth |
| 19:31.55 | lindi- | Piet: how do you know when you have all docs? ;) |
| 19:32.42 | kd8ikt | BluesLee: |
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| 19:33.23 | slaxxin | opkg upgrade worked |
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| 19:33.37 | slaxxin | dave |
| 19:33.53 | Dave | WHAT? |
| 19:34.08 | Piet | lindi-: good point |
| 19:34.21 | mwester-laptop | Piet: the answer is that you really have no certainty whatsoever -- for all you know, the original manufacturer of the plastic housing was contracted by a government agency to install transmitters inside the case plastic itself. :) |
| 19:34.42 | BluesLee | kd8ikt: yes? |
| 19:34.45 | kd8ikt | >:D |
| 19:34.59 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.06 | BluesLee | kd8ikt: i should reduce the color depth? |
| 19:35.14 | kd8ikt | well you could |
| 19:35.21 | BluesLee | kd8ikt: will try |
| 19:35.25 | kd8ikt | that should lower the size of the final image |
| 19:35.27 | mwester-laptop | Heck, the government may have micro transmitters in your breakfast cereal. |
| 19:35.40 | Piet | mwester: right. luckily, this would quite easily be discovered with a hands-on phone like the openmoko |
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| 19:36.00 | kd8ikt | nanobots inside my BODY |
| 19:36.05 | mwester-laptop | Not if the government mind-control ray is operational. |
| 19:36.05 | kd8ikt | AHHAHAHA |
| 19:36.10 | devdas | Piet: how do you know? |
| 19:36.21 | mmp_ | kd8ikt: nanites? /me watches Stargate frequently:) |
| 19:36.23 | mwester-laptop | goes off to get his tin-foil hat. |
| 19:36.33 | Piet | devdas: i would not. |
| 19:36.41 | kd8ikt | has a cast iron hat |
| 19:36.48 | slaxxin | greatest tool since the wheel |
| 19:36.50 | kd8ikt | with fiber mesh |
| 19:36.52 | mwester-laptop | wraps his neo in tin-foil, and carefully grounds it. |
| 19:36.56 | mwester-laptop | Problem solved. |
| 19:36.58 | mwester-laptop | :) |
| 19:37.03 | Piet | mwester-laptop: i would appreciate if you stopped making fun of me just because i'm curious |
| 19:37.18 | mwester-laptop | Just joking around in general, Piet. |
| 19:37.19 | kd8ikt | derail this train |
| 19:37.29 | mmp_ | anyway, is there any patch for gtk to be more finger-friendly (as iphone-like scrolling, etc) |
| 19:37.38 | Piet | alright |
| 19:38.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | Piet: there's no realstic chance to eavesdrop Neo via Gsm. |
| 19:38.30 | mwester-laptop | mmp_: would that be at a gtk+ level, or would that be a theme sort of thing? |
| 19:38.30 | kd8ikt | mwester did you put a bot in your kernel? cause i'm using it |
| 19:38.49 | mwester-laptop | kd8ikt: it's called a trojan in software! :p |
| 19:39.08 | mwester-laptop | But in your case, I didn't activate it. |
| 19:39.14 | kd8ikt | i need to compile my own kernels |
| 19:39.17 | mmp_ | mwester: I guess more of gtk level; right? |
| 19:39.24 | mwester-laptop | because I can find out where you are by consulting the callsign database! :P |
| 19:39.44 | Piet | DocScrutinizer2: your statement is based on...? |
| 19:39.59 | kd8ikt | how do i get that uboot make-image |
| 19:40.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | me developing the hw :-) |
| 19:40.27 | mwester-laptop | kd8ikt: source for my kernel (and the scripts that build it) are on the git repo listed on my home page. You'll need the openmoko (or the FSO) toolchain -- the FSO toolchain is also on my site. |
| 19:40.29 | kd8ikt | after i've compiled the kernel with the toolchain |
| 19:40.43 | kd8ikt | ah ok |
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| 19:41.16 | mwester-laptop | If neither has the mkimage, let me know and I'll put a copy up for download. |
| 19:41.43 | kd8ikt | http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/openmoko-kernel/knife-kernel.git ? |
| 19:41.48 | mwester-laptop | Yep |
| 19:42.07 | mwester-laptop | mwester-stable branch currently (the mwester-stable-tracking branch will be coming) |
| 19:42.09 | Piet | DocScrutinizer2: thanks, i wasn't aware |
| 19:42.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | np |
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| 19:43.31 | mwester-laptop | Piet: to be serious, there are a lot of people who have eyes on the hardware and even though parts of the code in the GSM are binary blobs, the parts that interface with the rest of the phone have been seen by many folks. |
| 19:44.14 | mwester-laptop | There's even an outside party that's working on the closed-source GSM stuff right now. So if something were there, it would be really hard to keep it secret. |
| 19:44.16 | kd8ikt | ar6k |
| 19:44.30 | mwester-laptop | that's a 4-letter word, kd8ikt |
| 19:44.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | Piet: you are aware the schematics are public? |
| 19:44.48 | kd8ikt | yeah and it wasnt fuck or shit |
| 19:44.55 | Piet | DocScrutinizer2: yes i am |
| 19:45.03 | mwester-laptop | bleeeps kd8ikt out |
| 19:45.10 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 19:45.35 | kd8ikt | why's b43 in the kernel |
| 19:45.36 | mwester-laptop | checks the topic for an "R" rating |
| 19:45.43 | mwester-laptop | b43? |
| 19:45.50 | kd8ikt | b43 wifi |
| 19:45.56 | kd8ikt | broadcom |
| 19:46.03 | mwester-laptop | Ah - usb wifi ? |
| 19:46.09 | kd8ikt | maybe |
| 19:46.11 | mwester-laptop | I think the zd1211 is also in |
| 19:46.17 | kd8ikt | neato |
| 19:46.18 | mwester-laptop | should be modules though |
| 19:46.22 | kd8ikt | r8187 |
| 19:46.26 | kd8ikt | rt8187 |
| 19:47.49 | mwester-laptop | Think about the fun -- with an external USB ethernet adaptor, you could plug your Neo into a LAN, and set it up as a wifi and bluetooth access point... ....except for the stupid ar6k that won't do hostg mode! |
| 19:47.49 | kd8ikt | i cant seem to clone that repo |
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| 19:48.12 | kd8ikt | least it does ad-hoc |
| 19:48.27 | mwester-laptop | Yep - that opens up some interesting stuff. |
| 19:48.46 | kd8ikt | iproute |
| 19:49.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | btw: eavesdroping authorities probably wouldn't be satisfied by the quality of audio :-D |
| 19:49.26 | devdas | heh |
| 19:49.34 | mwester-laptop | We should have the full iptables stuff also available as modules, iirc. But I was missing something important when I was messing with bluetooth yesterday... |
| 19:49.38 | devdas | Some day I'll get audio to actually work |
| 19:49.50 | evolux | hi! I'm currently using FDOM and want to try FSO milestone 4. What (negative) differences will I be confronted with? |
| 19:50.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | do the big-C, yeah yeah ;-) |
| 19:50.16 | devdas | but first to move from SHR to something more usable |
| 19:50.26 | evolux | from the screenshots and videos I have seen it seems that there is no real application menu in fso... |
| 19:50.26 | devdas | the big C? |
| 19:50.34 | mwester-laptop | DocScrutinizer: :D call the buzz a feature -- have marketing call it "advanced voice obscuring technology" and make it a competitive advantage! |
| 19:50.52 | evolux | can FSO also be installed on the sd card? |
| 19:51.00 | kd8ikt | email/sms |
| 19:51.12 | kd8ikt | multimedia msgs |
| 19:51.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | A7 rework, see hw-ml, angus ainslie. C4306 ->100uF |
| 19:51.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | stops buzz |
| 19:51.47 | devdas | ah |
| 19:51.56 | devdas | I heard about that |
| 19:52.18 | devdas | is speaking more in terms of getting a buzz in the first place |
| 19:52.20 | Dave | asfkjl; |
| 19:52.25 | Dave | superheats Joerg |
| 19:53.15 | zash | throws supercooled magnets at Dave |
| 19:53.21 | Dave | HOT |
| 19:53.23 | Dave | :D |
| 19:53.23 | kd8ikt | i just turn some stuff down and its not a problem |
| 19:53.49 | mwester-laptop | intends to make bluetooth headset work, which will solve the buzz and echo. |
| 19:53.56 | Dave | hah |
| 19:53.57 | Dave | true |
| 19:54.07 | kd8ikt | need to like amplify and also attenuate |
| 19:54.13 | Dave | That would be HILARIOUS, if you were able to, and somehow the problem translated through to the headset |
| 19:54.17 | Dave | Muwahahahahhaha |
| 19:54.23 | Dave | It's like a twilight zone episode |
| 19:54.56 | kd8ikt | my broothtooth headset is in pieces around here somewhere |
| 19:55.08 | kd8ikt | i need to resolder the bat |
| 19:55.14 | kd8ikt | and spkr |
| 19:55.20 | mmp_ | any ideas about gtk and iphone-like scrolling, etc? (I'm more-or-less just curious) |
| 19:56.28 | kd8ikt | i was thinking boba-fett helmet but realised that wouldnt be practical |
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| 20:00.52 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 20:01.52 | kd8ikt | but even this cheap bluetooth headset i bought has crapy reception |
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| 20:13.58 | Dave | kd8, you're crazy :) |
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| 20:36.38 | Fougner | bululu |
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| 20:36.57 | Fougner | someone make me a summary of all this chattering this evening |
| 20:37.40 | Fougner | What! |
| 20:37.44 | Fougner | a new SHR release again? =D |
| 20:38.15 | Fougner | Ainulindale, is it true? more bugs smashed? some new features maybe? ;) |
| 20:39.42 | mwester-laptop | Fougner: Ainulindale uses the "agile" development methodology. |
| 20:43.33 | Dave | Mwester, I'm a fan |
| 20:43.40 | Dave | I mean, fuck, IT's openmoko for godsakes |
| 20:43.55 | Dave | there were new wsod features every day, during the summer! |
| 20:43.56 | Dave | :) |
| 20:44.02 | Dave | it was so exciting |
| 20:45.11 | CVirus | Dave: doesn't your client support nickname tab completion ? |
| 20:45.18 | Dave | Excuse me? |
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| 20:45.25 | CVirus | just asking |
| 20:45.28 | Dave | Virus, I can typically type faster than hitting tab. |
| 20:45.30 | CVirus | don't take it personal :-p |
| 20:45.36 | CVirus | LOL |
| 20:45.44 | Dave | Plus sometimes I think it is more personal and better suited to call people by a minimally adjusted nickname. |
| 20:45.54 | Dave | Hence if their name is mwester-laptop |
| 20:46.10 | Dave | It just adds to channel verbosity and clutter when we all know he is Mwester. |
| 20:46.14 | Dave | Mister Wester. |
| 20:46.23 | CVirus | oh mister dave |
| 20:46.39 | Dave | you infect me long time? |
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| 20:55.42 | Dave | oh shit |
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| 20:55.46 | Dave | TOO MANY AMPERES!! :O |
| 20:55.51 | Dave | ducks for cover |
| 20:56.49 | mwester-laptop | puts on his dark sunglasses and peeks eastward to look for the flash of intense light and the mushroom cloud |
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| 21:00.54 | Fougner | mwester-laptop, aha, agile ;D |
| 21:01.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | dave, what did you do?! We got such a nice brain from last execution, ok was a little fried already, but now look at *THAT*. Stupid! |
| 21:01.24 | Dave | :X |
| 21:02.12 | Fougner | Haha |
| 21:02.19 | Fougner | lol at mwester |
| 21:02.35 | Fougner | guys |
| 21:02.44 | Fougner | in SHR, how can I enable the GPS daemon? |
| 21:05.13 | devdas | you need to echo 1 into a file in /sys] |
| 21:06.29 | devdas | http://n2.nabble.com/-Om2008.9--power-on-GPS-td1392638.html |
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| 21:10.09 | Fougner | and where's the desktop-files located? |
| 21:10.42 | Dave | The same place they always are? |
| 21:10.50 | Fougner | path? |
| 21:10.56 | Dave | slaps Fougner around with a large trout |
| 21:11.03 | Fougner | baaaaah |
| 21:11.04 | Dave | /usr/share/applications/ |
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| 21:11.07 | Dave | :) |
| 21:11.09 | Fougner | ah |
| 21:11.10 | Fougner | thanks |
| 21:11.14 | Fougner | .desktop-files |
| 21:11.16 | Fougner | =D |
| 21:11.17 | Fougner | right? |
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| 21:11.28 | Fougner | I just have to create a new one linking to a script for example? |
| 21:12.47 | devdas | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS |
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| 21:13.05 | Dave | haw |
| 21:13.18 | Dave | cat /devdas > Fougner |
| 21:13.27 | devdas | Oh dear |
| 21:13.33 | devdas | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.48 | Dave | I wasn't sure if you'd take offense to that. |
| 21:14.19 | Fougner | lol |
| 21:14.25 | Fougner | he penetrates me |
| 21:14.30 | Dave | Excuse me? |
| 21:14.32 | devdas | No |
| 21:15.00 | devdas | and no thanks, unless you are a member of the opposite sex |
| 21:16.38 | Fougner | opposite is relative.. |
| 21:16.46 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 21:17.33 | devdas | from the name, apparently not |
| 21:19.10 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 21:19.31 | Fougner | how can I setup a GPS on/off utility ? |
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| 21:25.39 | gena2x | Hi guys. Can someone help me with kernel compilation&installation? |
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| 21:27.29 | gena2x | no luck :( |
| 21:27.37 | savant | read wiki |
| 21:27.53 | savant | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide |
| 21:27.58 | gena2x | I've read it until get holes in firefox. |
| 21:28.11 | savant | and? |
| 21:28.37 | gena2x | Compiled and it failed to load. |
| 21:29.38 | savant | some details? error number, commands... |
| 21:29.55 | gena2x | I mean not failed to run, but uboot just seem can't load it. |
| 21:30.05 | savant | mind scanner broken... |
| 21:30.13 | gena2x | Givig me "CRC" error. |
| 21:30.28 | gena2x | OK. I got source throught GIT. |
| 21:30.33 | Weiss | gena2x: which branch? |
| 21:30.37 | gena2x | "stable-tracking" |
| 21:30.41 | gena2x | I'm new to git. |
| 21:31.00 | gena2x | I've first tried to compile "andy-tracking" |
| 21:31.01 | Weiss | i don't think stable-tracking is quite ready for use yet - maybe try stable for now? |
| 21:31.06 | gena2x | But it failed. |
| 21:31.24 | Weiss | have you compiled kernels before? |
| 21:31.47 | gena2x | Yes. Many times |
| 21:31.54 | gena2x | For different platforms. |
| 21:32.17 | savant | crosscompilation? |
| 21:32.20 | Weiss | did you use the "build" script? |
| 21:32.23 | gena2x | Yes. |
| 21:32.35 | Fougner | #!/bin/bash |
| 21:32.35 | Fougner | echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron && |
| 21:32.35 | Fougner | sleep 1s && |
| 21:32.35 | Fougner | echo 1 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 21:32.39 | gena2x | Yes. I've chage it a bit and used. |
| 21:32.39 | Fougner | would that one work? |
| 21:33.02 | devdas | yes |
| 21:33.18 | Fougner | devdas, you meant me right? =D |
| 21:33.21 | Weiss | Fougner: do you really need the "&&"? |
| 21:33.23 | gena2x | I feel that the problem is not in the kernel, but somewhere in bootloader, as kernel do not starts. |
| 21:33.29 | devdas | Fougner: yes |
| 21:33.31 | Fougner | Weiss, I don't know =D |
| 21:33.52 | Fougner | Weiss, I remove them.. |
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| 21:33.58 | devdas | Fougner: echo 0 will turn it off, echo1 will turn it on |
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| 21:34.13 | Fougner | devdas, logical ;D |
| 21:34.30 | gena2x | And that's wrong with stable-tracking? For some reason I thought that it is stable with some updates. |
| 21:34.33 | Fougner | this is the power-on script FYI |
| 21:34.50 | devdas | then you only need the line with echo 1 |
| 21:35.21 | Fougner | what happens if I press the button twice? =) |
| 21:35.26 | Weiss | gena2x: stable-tracking is the entire OM stuff ported to 2.6.28 |
| 21:35.32 | devdas | nothing |
| 21:35.39 | Fougner | you sure+ |
| 21:35.50 | Weiss | gena2x: there are some big (and exciting) changes |
| 21:35.55 | gena2x | Weiss: it should work? |
| 21:36.00 | Fougner | it doesn't create two processes or something? |
| 21:36.49 | devdas | no |
| 21:36.53 | Fougner | ok |
| 21:37.12 | mwester | gena2x: With openmoko, the branch name is more "hope" than reality -- not even the "stable" branch is always stable. |
| 21:37.13 | devdas | the echo 1 merely prints 1 into the file, if you call it again, the file is overwritten |
| 21:37.34 | mwester | The stable-tracking branch may or may not work, only a small number of developers build and try it. |
| 21:37.36 | Tm_T | mwester: stable in sense of changes |
| 21:37.42 | mwester | The any-tracking branch almost certainly won't work. |
| 21:38.17 | mwester | The "stable" branch will compile, build, and generate a kernel that mostly works, except that it is less stable on some gta02 devices than earlier versions of that branch. |
| 21:38.35 | mwester | gena2x: But a crc error from the bootloader indicates you have a bad kernel build process. |
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| 21:39.06 | mwester | gena2x: what file are you taking from the kernel build directory and flashing to the phone? |
| 21:39.25 | Fougner | Maybe I should flash the newest SHR ? =D |
| 21:39.47 | gena2x | Weiss: I just want to try my knowledge to fight with my MMC card. The kernel param is not working for me, I want just to understand that I am doing wrong, if I can. But I even cann't see kernel log, as have no board and kernel buffer is too small and flooded with messages. |
| 21:39.57 | gena2x | say thanks for description. |
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| 21:41.12 | Dave | Kernel flooding. |
| 21:41.26 | gena2x | mwester: so, "stable" is updated, and "stable-tracking" is just for compilation of same changes for 2.6.28, nobody really uses it? |
| 21:41.47 | gena2x | Ok, I will try stable anyway. Thanks. |
| 21:41.57 | mwester | No. stable is not updated much at all, but it is what all current distros are based on. |
| 21:42.25 | mwester | stable-tracking is where all current development work is happening, and it seldom builds correctly, as it is a sandbox for the developers, not for general use. |
| 21:43.06 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1f2c56f2b930 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:43.06 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Added reinit method to abstract modem class, |
| 21:43.06 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: * added hook for handling a HUP in the low level channel class, |
| 21:43.06 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: * added reinitializing the TI Calypso modem class whenever |
| 21:43.07 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: a HUP on any MUXer channel has been detected (which means |
| 21:43.09 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: that the gsm0710muxd has probably been killed). |
| 21:43.11 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: We now survive a killall gsm0710muxd transparently! |
| 21:43.29 | muxe | *mux* is not a good highlight ;) |
| 21:43.35 | mickeyl | hahaha |
| 21:43.49 | mickeyl | sorry, i try to avoid mentioning the muxer in the future ;) |
| 21:44.02 | muxe | thx ;) |
| 21:45.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | mickeyl: is calypso recovering from muxermode, when you kill gsm0710muxd? |
| 21:46.09 | mickeyl | killing gsm0710muxd turns off the modem |
| 21:46.13 | muxe | ding |
| 21:46.32 | mickeyl | gsm0710muxd has no concept of "check whether we are still in mux mode, then skip reinit" |
| 21:46.41 | mickeyl | (unfortunately) |
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| 21:46.55 | mickeyl | it always power-cycles to make a well-known state |
| 21:47.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | mickeyl: :D so that's a decent method to recover |
| 21:47.04 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 21:47.11 | mickeyl | at least it works |
| 21:47.16 | Wonka | hrhr |
| 21:47.54 | Wonka | i know hardware where even a software-initiated reboot won't clear every error condition... those need a powercycle. |
| 21:48.07 | Wonka | (not some openmoko device, though) |
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| 21:49.27 | mwester | Wonka: that happens with the Calypso too. |
| 21:49.47 | Wonka | ouch. |
| 21:50.02 | Wonka | *sigh* i really long for the gta03 |
| 21:50.06 | Wonka | - faster GPS |
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| 21:50.14 | Wonka | - EDGE |
| 21:50.22 | Wonka | - probably faster microSDHC |
| 21:50.44 | Wonka | and the cam could be fun too |
| 21:51.13 | Wonka | WTF??!? |
| 21:51.14 | Wonka | drivers/sdio/stack/busdriver/sdio_bus_os.c:363:2: error: #error "CONFIG_PNP not defined" |
| 21:51.31 | Wonka | who hasn't understood the concept of depends and select in Kconfig? |
| 21:56.22 | Dave | Wonka - hahaha |
| 21:57.04 | Fougner | Wonkaaaa =D |
| 21:57.06 | Fougner | Willy wonka! =D |
| 21:57.36 | Wonka | shoots Fougner with a cubic meter of liquid chocolate |
| 21:58.14 | gena2x | Wow, thanks! I'm with my first new kernel for this strange device! |
| 21:58.35 | Wonka | compiles... |
| 21:58.43 | Fougner | goes chocolateguy |
| 21:59.23 | Fougner | Wonka! =D |
| 21:59.30 | Fougner | what's your speciality? |
| 21:59.40 | devdas | heh |
| 21:59.58 | Wonka | i'm mostly playing with debian, gps and will play more with gprs |
| 22:00.01 | Wonka | ppp and stuff |
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| 22:00.37 | Fougner | oh |
| 22:01.12 | Fougner | my speciality is 'pretend-to-be-an-expert' |
| 22:01.18 | Wonka | *g* |
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| 22:01.33 | Wonka | big problem atm: ttySAC1 loses chars |
| 22:01.44 | Wonka | rxerrs in dmesg... |
| 22:02.31 | Fougner | in debian? |
| 22:02.44 | Dave | rut roh |
| 22:02.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | Wonka: so maybe have a closer look at these errors? |
| 22:02.58 | Wonka | yes, but also with other kernels i tried |
| 22:03.06 | Fougner | Enlightenment coming up! =D |
| 22:03.14 | Fougner | Dave! rut roh? |
| 22:03.50 | Wonka | rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c |
| 22:03.50 | Wonka | rxerr: port ch=0xb5, rxs=0x00000001 |
| 22:03.58 | Wonka | that sort. |
| 22:04.16 | Wonka | b5 is at the start of a ubx packet... |
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| 22:04.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | probably from the hex values you could tell the detailed cause |
| 22:04.53 | Wonka | and i don't really know yet what this rxs value means, and what that b5 exactly is |
| 22:05.24 | Wonka | i mean, b5 cannot be a lost byte, because if it was lost, it couldn't be displayed in the error message |
| 22:07.16 | Dave | :\ |
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| 22:10.36 | mwester | Wonka: the values come directly from the UART on the SoC -- check the wiki for the SoC manual. |
| 22:11.21 | Wonka | mwester: will do... |
| 22:13.12 | mwester | IIRC, 0x00000001 indicates an overrun (in which case the 0xb5 character is invalid and probably just the last successful characteer read). |
| 22:14.05 | mwester | 0x000000c0 is not a valid code per my manual, so you'd need a different version of the docs, or better yet just check the source. |
| 22:14.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | or the crap left over from overrun |
| 22:14.47 | mwester | These errors shoudl be translated and reported up to the serial driver -- assuming whatever is reading the data actually pays attention to such things - most don't as far as I've seen. |
| 22:15.21 | Wonka | it's 0c, not c0 |
| 22:15.51 | mwester | Yeah, typo on my part. In any case, 0x08 is a reserved bit in my doc. |
| 22:15.58 | mwester | don't know what that means. |
| 22:16.50 | Wonka | by the way, some seemingly bad almanac data causes the GPS to throw an exception (reported in a NMEA sentence) and not deliver ubx packets afterwards... |
| 22:16.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | means x0c == x04 ? |
| 22:17.25 | mwester | Well the 0x4 bit my doc is valid - that's a framing error. |
| 22:17.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | makes sense |
| 22:18.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | probably wrong baudrate |
| 22:18.13 | mwester | hmmm... which you should only get at power-up or power-down of the gps i should thing. |
| 22:18.16 | mwester | er think |
| 22:18.42 | mwester | Yes, you are right -- until the port is opened and set to the correct baud rate. |
| 22:19.07 | Wonka | that 000c one was the first rxerr after booting, could well be from startup. |
| 22:19.07 | mwester | I think the default is 115200 or so -- it would be quite wrong until the app in charge of the port changed it. |
| 22:19.45 | mwester | (I wonder if we set the UART to the correct baud rate when initialized by the kernel if it would get rid of some of the noise... woudl be painless to do so) |
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| 22:19.59 | Wonka | but those 0001 i get more often, and tangogps hangs on the same position for minutes sometimes |
| 22:20.07 | mwester | Wonka: do you know what the baud rate is for that port? |
| 22:20.47 | Wonka | mwester: ogpsd polls the config on startup, the returned data says 9600 |
| 22:21.02 | mwester | ok. |
| 22:21.10 | mwester | I'll write me a note :) |
| 22:21.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | muahaha |
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| 22:21.46 | mwester | Can one flow-control that gps chip? |
| 22:22.04 | mwester | Or better yet, do we have docs for that module on the wiki? |
| 22:22.17 | mwester | There's really no reason for overruns at 9600 baud... |
| 22:22.37 | Wonka | www.u-blox.com/customersupport/gps.g4/ANTARIS4_Modules_SIM(GPS.G4-MS4-05007).pdf |
| 22:22.51 | mwester | downloads... |
| 22:23.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | but there is on a 9600 statbit sent to a 115k port |
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| 22:23.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | makes a niiiice framing error:-D |
| 22:24.34 | mwester | Well yes, but Wonka is indicating that it has overrun errors while operating, not just at startup. So I'm wondering if (for example) the FIFO has been enabled, and such. |
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| 22:24.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | ok, me away |
| 22:25.44 | Wonka | those overruns _might_ be temporally correlated with high cpu load |
| 22:26.01 | Wonka | like I start some app and tangogps tracking stops |
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| 22:29.35 | Dave | Wtf |
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| 22:31.18 | raster | ftw! |
| 22:31.30 | Fougner | raster |
| 22:31.30 | Fougner | =D |
| 22:31.58 | Dave | RASTER! |
| 22:32.04 | raster | moo |
| 22:32.04 | Dave | I have a few bones to pick with you... |
| 22:32.05 | raster | :) |
| 22:32.10 | Dave | fucking enlightenment |
| 22:32.11 | Dave | :) |
| 22:32.17 | Fougner | enlighten him! |
| 22:32.25 | Dave | oh, believe me |
| 22:32.26 | Dave | I SHALL |
| 22:32.44 | Dave | grabs his Englightening Cane of Flogging |
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| 22:34.58 | Wonka | i'd like someone to grab the Sources of Enlightenment 17 and flog them into debian... |
| 22:35.18 | Fougner | =D |
| 22:35.21 | Fougner | debian! |
| 22:35.26 | raster | is still waiting for any interesting information |
| 22:36.00 | Wonka | about what? |
| 22:36.19 | Fougner | about something =D |
| 22:36.34 | Dave | Oh yeah |
| 22:36.52 | Dave | So raster, in illume |
| 22:37.07 | Dave | What's the deal with the desktop realestate? |
| 22:37.24 | raster | ? |
| 22:37.31 | Dave | furthermore, can you please fix the settings menu so it retracts appropriately when selected |
| 22:37.52 | Dave | It is still beyond me why SHR, which uses it, has reverted to the old, fucked up battery status indicator |
| 22:38.02 | Dave | yet you fixed it in the last release or two of your own |
| 22:38.05 | Dave | (sources) |
| 22:38.15 | raster | be more specific |
| 22:38.24 | raster | for the slipshelf not sliding away |
| 22:38.33 | raster | the shelf knows nothing of the config gadget |
| 22:38.39 | Dave | yeah, that's what I meant |
| 22:38.40 | raster | and the config gadgte is just a generic plugin |
| 22:38.42 | Dave | oh really, is that why? |
| 22:38.50 | raster | i have no generic way to signal a "go hide again" |
| 22:38.53 | Dave | I had hypothesized that might be the case |
| 22:39.08 | raster | they know nothing of eachother as they go thru a geneirc interface that doesnt expose any such info |
| 22:39.09 | Dave | Yeah, I figured you would have, since it is annoying and seems like undefault behavior |
| 22:39.14 | Dave | Ah :[ |
| 22:39.16 | Dave | Unfortunate |
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| 22:39.33 | raster | i'd have to add that infra to say "hey - can anyone who has stuff slid out temporarily put it back now" signal |
| 22:39.35 | raster | i dont have that |
| 22:39.39 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 22:39.41 | raster | and i havent decided where to put it and how |
| 22:40.02 | raster | iu dont like the idea that somethng so generic makes an ASSUMPTIOn or needs to - that something has slid out |
| 22:40.12 | Dave | Yeah |
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| 22:40.22 | Dave | It'd just be nice, of course, if that behavior existed :) |
| 22:40.29 | raster | so thats simply a result of more complicated and generic innards |
| 22:40.30 | Dave | Since I figure it is the most intuitive. |
| 22:40.34 | raster | to you - as a user it looks like a simple matter |
| 22:40.41 | raster | but really - it's a lot more spikey than you think |
| 22:40.45 | Dave | Of course |
| 22:40.50 | raster | and i dont disagree |
| 22:40.53 | Dave | Apparently so! As you have detailed :) |
| 22:40.55 | Dave | Right :) |
| 22:40.57 | raster | i simply havent done something about it |
| 22:41.06 | raster | but i know all about it and need a course of action |
| 22:41.07 | Dave | At least you are aware of it |
| 22:41.10 | Dave | Right :D |
| 22:41.16 | raster | for logn enough openmoko didnt want hte config spanner |
| 22:41.24 | raster | and so i simply didnt spend any effort on it |
| 22:41.26 | raster | then i quit |
| 22:41.33 | raster | and i havent really touched that yet |
| 22:41.40 | raster | tho.. in latest upsteram illuems own config panel is gone |
| 22:41.42 | Dave | Another thing was, your battery indicator [now] displays charge % and status in illume |
| 22:41.46 | raster | now i use e's default one |
| 22:41.50 | Dave | but I was surprised that in SHR it shows nothing |
| 22:41.56 | raster | so i dont want to go create infrastructure |
| 22:41.57 | Dave | other than battery charge state |
| 22:42.00 | raster | to fix these kind of things |
| 22:42.13 | raster | just to tear it down and then build a new one when i am busy doing renovation anyway |
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| 22:42.17 | Dave | and I find that somewhat unacceptable |
| 22:42.30 | Dave | since what's the point of having an indicator in the first place if it doesn't show you anything useful |
| 22:42.31 | raster | ooh |
| 22:42.43 | raster | e upsteram has started using HAL to look at battery status |
| 22:42.46 | raster | if u have dbus and hal |
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| 22:42.51 | Dave | hmm |
| 22:42.56 | raster | and it finds it supports p battery - it uses it |
| 22:43.00 | raster | hal on the freerunenr is broken |
| 22:43.01 | raster | in fatcr |
| 22:43.04 | raster | its more the kernel |
| 22:43.11 | raster | the kernel advertises /proc/apm |
| 22:43.20 | raster | what is basically garbage data most of the time |
| 22:43.23 | Dave | yeah |
| 22:43.29 | Dave | right |
| 22:43.30 | raster | and hal uses that instead of the /sys/class/power |
| 22:43.56 | raster | e's battery meter (internal old one - batget) woudl prefer newer interfaces (like /sys/...) over older ones (/proc/apm) |
| 22:44.09 | raster | so if you have a system wthat isnt running a little batget process |
| 22:44.17 | raster | then u have upsteram e + hal support |
| 22:44.26 | raster | and the problem is either hal or kernel |
| 22:44.31 | raster | depending who you like to blame |
| 22:44.43 | raster | bglame hal for using older deprecated interfaces when newer ones are there |
| 22:44.55 | raster | or blame kernel for a shoody apm emulation that it shouldnt do anyway |
| 22:45.15 | Dave | uggh, okay |
| 22:45.18 | Dave | yeah |
| 22:45.18 | raster | (and i think does just to keep 2007.2 and qtopia/qpe/qte happy as they use /proc/apm only) |
| 22:45.21 | Dave | I'd rather blame HAL |
| 22:45.31 | Dave | raster, crappy :| |
| 22:45.36 | Dave | but I'm not here to blame |
| 22:45.43 | Dave | I'd rather see some progress, if possible |
| 22:45.52 | ljp | qtextended doesnt use apm anymore |
| 22:45.53 | raster | so - i have on my todo list making it a config option in the battery module to optionally use hal |
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| 22:45.54 | Dave | I was just a little put off when I noticed that in the latest SHR release |
| 22:46.04 | Dave | Raster, good. |
| 22:46.05 | raster | and use the old batget (still there and works) - depending on prefs |
| 22:46.12 | ljp | at least for neo. because its borked |
| 22:46.32 | raster | ljp: why don't u have /sys/class/power/* code? |
| 22:46.43 | ljp | it does |
| 22:46.48 | raster | hm |
| 22:46.50 | raster | must be new |
| 22:46.54 | ljp | ep 4.4 |
| 22:46.56 | ljp | yep |
| 22:46.58 | raster | aaah |
| 22:46.59 | raster | ok |
| 22:47.07 | raster | thats why the kernel has apm emulation |
| 22:47.12 | raster | it wasnt even there for a while |
| 22:47.26 | raster | until 2007.2 and qtopia were broken |
| 22:47.34 | ljp | well. it ddoes apm badly at that |
| 22:47.37 | raster | e actually worked as it already had the /sys/power stuff |
| 22:48.00 | Dave | good shit |
| 22:48.03 | raster | i needed to change its logic though to use /sys/class/wpoer instead of apm as it also had the ":use older interfaces" logic |
| 22:48.28 | raster | as i had never seen a system that had apm AND /sys/class/power (ie if it had /sys/class/power apm was deprecated and dead and didnt exist) |
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| 22:49.24 | Dave | raster |
| 22:49.41 | Dave | my palm outperforms my freerunner, once again :\ |
| 22:49.52 | raster | which palm? |
| 22:50.22 | Dave | z72 |
| 22:50.28 | raster | hmm |
| 22:50.31 | raster | same as t650 i think |
| 22:50.37 | Dave | I was only somewhat surprised |
| 22:50.42 | raster | 320x320, 312mhz pxa, 32m ram? |
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| 22:50.45 | Dave | since I had been previously impressed |
| 22:50.57 | Dave | hmm, let me check |
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| 22:51.36 | Dave | raster: yep |
| 22:51.38 | Dave | that's it |
| 22:52.13 | raster | yeah |
| 22:52.18 | raster | unless something hogs the ram |
| 22:52.20 | Dave | Does it have the same specs as the treo? |
| 22:52.23 | Dave | right, right |
| 22:52.30 | raster | and its paging stuff in and out of sd like silly |
| 22:52.34 | Dave | but typically it doesn't, like booting, and app loading |
| 22:52.35 | raster | it runs very nicely |
| 22:52.38 | Dave | yeah |
| 22:52.38 | raster | its smooth |
| 22:52.39 | Dave | :) |
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| 22:52.41 | Dave | I know! |
| 22:52.52 | raster | so if u remove frameworkd |
| 22:52.53 | Dave | while the freerunner is choppy, despite it's massive memory |
| 22:52.55 | Dave | haha |
| 22:52.58 | raster | it overally runs like a champ |
| 22:53.00 | raster | overall |
| 22:53.22 | raster | well its choppy because of 3x the pixels to draw/render |
| 22:53.25 | raster | a much slower |
| 22:53.26 | Dave | yeah |
| 22:53.29 | raster | "video bus" |
| 22:53.36 | Dave | I know, you explained this to me before :) |
| 22:53.48 | raster | and any time writign across the slow video bus means vanished cpu cycles |
| 22:54.05 | Dave | :( |
| 22:54.10 | raster | so your 400mhz drops to more like 300 or 200 "effective" mhz |
| 22:55.13 | raster | glamo can accelerate |
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| 22:55.21 | raster | but u'd have to specifically design only to do what the glamo can do |
| 22:55.25 | raster | whihc is kind of stupid |
| 22:55.38 | raster | as u want to support other devices with other accelerators |
| 22:55.46 | raster | and different display pipes |
| 22:56.01 | ljp | umm... plugins |
| 22:57.13 | raster | ljp: doesnt help u if in order to do (for example) drawing of something with a alpha mask applied to the set of objects as input |
| 22:57.24 | raster | u have no accel |
| 22:57.32 | raster | as the glamo cant draw to intermediate argb buffers |
| 22:57.51 | raster | and provide an alpha mask apply op even if it could |
| 22:57.57 | raster | so u generate in software and upload argb32 |
| 22:58.18 | raster | so if you "clip" by using a mask for a group of things in the ui... |
| 22:58.19 | raster | :) |
| 22:58.21 | raster | modules dont help |
| 22:59.34 | Dave | big disappointment |
| 23:00.03 | Dave | Speaking of disappointments |
| 23:00.06 | raster | so in the end u have to design your usage around avoiding "software fallbacks" |
| 23:00.10 | raster | but it'd possible |
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| 23:00.18 | Dave | Raster, what's with the illume desktop |
| 23:00.30 | Dave | Why can't I scroll, or some such? |
| 23:00.35 | raster | but imho not worth it |
| 23:00.42 | raster | u dant scroll? |
| 23:00.44 | raster | cant? |
| 23:00.45 | Dave | I've got icons going far off the screen but I cannot access them... |
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| 23:00.58 | Dave | Unless I'm missing something obvious |
| 23:01.03 | Dave | Is there a magic button? |
| 23:01.11 | Dave | wave the stylus a certain way? |
| 23:01.35 | raster | no |
| 23:01.37 | raster | click and drag |
| 23:01.39 | raster | well |
| 23:01.50 | Ainulindale | raster: there's a scroll feature?! |
| 23:01.50 | raster | the usual finger scroll way |
| 23:01.53 | Ainulindale | Damn |
| 23:01.57 | Ainulindale | Didn't know that |
| 23:02.15 | raster | works for me |
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| 23:03.08 | vlAm | Connect now to http://www.xradio.nl:8000/listen.pls nonstop music 128kb! |
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| 23:06.00 | Dave | Ainulindale, haha, really? or were you just being sarcastic? |
| 23:06.17 | Ainulindale | Dave: No, really |
| 23:06.24 | Ainulindale | I didn't ever have enough icons anyway |
| 23:07.12 | Dave | :) |
| 23:07.20 | Dave | That was one of my big wonderances. |
| 23:07.37 | gambler | whats the story of android on the freerunner? - is it stable? |
| 23:07.47 | Dave | Shr needs more apps |
| 23:07.53 | Dave | *useful apps :) |
| 23:08.00 | Dave | (functional ones too) :p |
| 23:08.15 | viq | speaking of SHR, how to make icons of added apps, say dillo, to appear on 'desktop' ? |
| 23:08.22 | sicu | Ainulindale: scrolling works fine, as long as settings are tuned so that you dont click an icon by "accident" |
| 23:08.33 | Dave | viq: create a desktop entry for it in /usr/share/applications/ |
| 23:08.34 | sicu | edit the .desktop file |
| 23:08.37 | Dave | SICU |
| 23:08.41 | sicu | DAVE =] |
| 23:08.42 | Dave | apt greet sicu |
| 23:08.42 | apt | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on sicu |
| 23:08.46 | Dave | :D |
| 23:08.55 | sicu | gee ... how nice |
| 23:09.02 | Dave | :) |
| 23:09.13 | viq | Dave: the desktop entry is there. It still doesn't appear |
| 23:09.35 | sicu | viq: change the Category to Office ... or something |
| 23:10.00 | viq | Ah, thanks, I'll try that |
| 23:10.10 | viq | ...tomorrow |
| 23:10.15 | sicu | hehe |
| 23:10.28 | viq | Well, actually today - yes, it's that late :P |
| 23:10.31 | Dave | CHANGE THE CATEGORY |
| 23:10.35 | Dave | It's hax |
| 23:10.44 | sicu | and a very good one at that |
| 23:10.58 | Dave | Yeah I am |
| 23:10.58 | sicu | meh .. getting some take-away ... brb |
| 23:11.03 | sicu | =p |
| 23:12.08 | Fougner | Ainulindale, awake? |
| 23:12.31 | raster | e simply loads the system applications.menu |
| 23:12.41 | raster | that is the same standard as desktops use for their "app menus" |
| 23:12.54 | raster | its an xml file that defines what categories appear where in a system apps menu |
| 23:13.03 | raster | as such illume just takes that menu and "flattens it out" |
| 23:13.16 | raster | and shows apps that would appear in that menu - but submenus are flattened to the parent |
| 23:13.32 | raster | the rest is the same as on the desktop |
| 23:13.47 | raster | if your app isnt in a category in the system .menu file then it wont appear |
| 23:14.08 | raster | as such e ALSO filters out anything with both System and Settings as categorties |
| 23:14.12 | raster | these end up int he config panel |
| 23:14.16 | viq | where is that system .menu thing located ? |
| 23:14.43 | mwester | wishes SOMETHING documented that, as it would have saved him an hour he'll never get back again the other day. :( |
| 23:14.44 | Fougner | raster, ! |
| 23:15.07 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.24 | viq | thank you |
| 23:15.26 | Fougner | so if I make gps.desktop and goes for the System and Settings categories, it'd end up in the config-menu? |
| 23:15.52 | raster | it e';s config panel |
| 23:15.53 | raster | yes |
| 23:16.06 | Fougner | wow |
| 23:16.09 | raster | e happily swallows up "system config tools" into its config panel |
| 23:16.13 | Fougner | but, what about the toggle-things? |
| 23:16.21 | Fougner | GPS on and off |
| 23:16.22 | raster | to try provide a unified location for anything related to configuration |
| 23:16.24 | Fougner | Wifi on and off |
| 23:16.39 | Fougner | uhm, we're talking about the same thing now, huh? |
| 23:16.41 | raster | u want it in that app? |
| 23:16.46 | raster | thats exposure |
| 23:16.52 | raster | thats a separate python app |
| 23:17.00 | raster | nothgn to do with e |
| 23:17.10 | Fougner | ah |
| 23:17.13 | Fougner | sorry mate |
| 23:17.25 | raster | e has had its own config panel for years |
| 23:17.26 | Fougner | the config panel is that one with the wrench in the topshelf? |
| 23:17.34 | raster | the "spanner icon" |
| 23:17.41 | raster | it brough up a modified one - until recently |
| 23:17.44 | raster | now it just uses e's own |
| 23:17.45 | Fougner | spanner.. will look that word up |
| 23:17.54 | raster | as i changed e's to cram into the freerunenr screen better |
| 23:18.03 | raster | spanner. wrench |
| 23:18.07 | raster | :) |
| 23:18.11 | Fougner | yeah, saw that |
| 23:18.17 | Fougner | hehe, you get it? |
| 23:18.22 | Fougner | SAW that =D |
| 23:18.24 | Fougner | stop hammering me! |
| 23:18.56 | Fougner | exposure |
| 23:18.58 | Fougner | hmm |
| 23:19.38 | Fougner | why on earth isn't the GPS thingy in the exposure app? |
| 23:19.45 | raster | exposure is a python app with its own plugin system all python centric |
| 23:19.58 | raster | e's config panel is c-sentric with a plugin system for e and e's modules |
| 23:20.19 | raster | it also will launch apps as if they were plugged in config items |
| 23:20.22 | raster | as above |
| 23:20.31 | raster | if Categories have System and Settings in them for the .desktop |
| 23:22.22 | Fougner | but, hmm |
| 23:22.58 | Fougner | why is the GPS setting away in exposure? |
| 23:22.58 | Fougner | removed* |
| 23:23.01 | Ainulindale | because it doesn't work |
| 23:23.03 | raster | dunno |
| 23:23.18 | Fougner | Ainulindale, AH! |
| 23:23.20 | Fougner | thanks |
| 23:23.39 | Fougner | Ainulindale, you know the locales is gone in the lateset image huh? |
| 23:23.47 | slaxxin | the alarm worked in shr an i woke up |
| 23:24.04 | quatrox | :) |
| 23:24.17 | Fougner | haha |
| 23:24.25 | Fougner | daredevil |
| 23:25.58 | Ainulindale | Fougner: No, I don't know, I generate images for the sake of generating them, without even testing them. That's what I do |
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| 23:26.24 | Fougner | Ainulindale, aha |
| 23:26.27 | slaxxin | who builds them? |
| 23:26.56 | Ainulindale | Well, anyway, going to sleep. |
| 23:26.59 | Fougner | Ainulindale, but you know what happened since the last release? |
| 23:27.14 | Ainulindale | Fougner: You asked me a shitload of questions? |
| 23:27.14 | Fougner | sleep tight, thanks for the info =) |
| 23:27.28 | Fougner | Ainulindale, =( |
| 23:27.35 | Ainulindale | (Let me be sarcastic, it's late) |
| 23:27.42 | Fougner | oh well |
| 23:27.43 | slaxxin | yyay:) |
| 23:27.48 | Ainulindale | What happened, O dear user, since last release? |
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| 23:28.14 | slaxxin | hes waiting |
| 23:28.21 | Fougner | well, I ask you if you know the changes since the last release |
| 23:28.21 | slaxxin | GOSH |
| 23:29.04 | Ainulindale | Fougner: Yes, I know, because I build, and configure the image. If we didn't release, and if we only provide a preview that's because we're focusing on work, and not explaining what we do |
| 23:29.10 | Ainulindale | Check on git |
| 23:29.13 | Ainulindale | You'll see all the changes |
| 23:29.33 | Fougner | yes master =) |
| 23:29.37 | Ainulindale | I'd be happy if I had time to do a message telling what I did |
| 23:29.46 | Ainulindale | But I'm just trying to fix things one after another |
| 23:29.47 | Fougner | you just made.. |
| 23:30.02 | Ainulindale | OE being naughty with me being one of my issues. |
| 23:30.06 | slaxxin | an doinf a fine job i might add |
| 23:30.21 | Fougner | uh, naughty |
| 23:30.43 | Fougner | try to get some sleep now! |
| 23:30.59 | Ainulindale | OE's a naughty thing, indeed (indeedily deed-deed, might I say) |
| 23:31.09 | Ainulindale | Well anyway |
| 23:31.13 | Ainulindale | Don't download any image now |
| 23:31.15 | Ainulindale | I'm regenerating some |
| 23:31.20 | Fougner | goooood |
| 23:31.22 | Ainulindale | I won't test them because I'm going to sleep |
| 23:31.25 | Ainulindale | But it's going on |
| 23:31.31 | slaxxin | we will |
| 23:31.41 | Fougner | what has happened since the last release for those new images you're generating? |
| 23:32.00 | Fougner | runs away |
| 23:32.08 | Ainulindale | What happened? Me being too tired to answer, that's what happened |
| 23:32.17 | Ainulindale | Good night, please post your comments on shr-devel |
| 23:32.21 | Dave | What what? |
| 23:32.23 | Ainulindale | Fougner: And don't try to mimic Dave |
| 23:32.27 | Ainulindale | He's doing a good job on his own |
| 23:32.28 | Fougner | What? |
| 23:32.37 | Fougner | what what? =D |
| 23:32.44 | Ainulindale | (Being the official pain in my ass, that is =) ) |
| 23:32.48 | Fougner | oh |
| 23:32.49 | Fougner | lol |
| 23:32.54 | Fougner | I'm not the only one xD |
| 23:33.07 | Ainulindale | The more you ask questions and don't look for yourself |
| 23:33.10 | Fougner | okay, will try NOT to be like Dave |
| 23:33.11 | Ainulindale | The less you'll understand |
| 23:33.14 | Ainulindale | And the less I'll be able to work |
| 23:33.27 | slaxxin | lock |
| 23:33.29 | Fougner | the less we get to try out |
| 23:33.33 | Ainulindale | (That doesn't mean I don't want/can answer questions) |
| 23:33.38 | Ainulindale | (Just that I don't have time, truly) |
| 23:33.42 | Dave | raster |
| 23:33.45 | Fougner | Ainulindale, get some sleeeeeep nooooooow! |
| 23:33.45 | Ainulindale | (Best way to know is to come and help us) |
| 23:33.48 | Dave | I click and drag, BUT NOTHING HAPPENS! |
| 23:33.52 | Fougner | we want new images tomorrow again =D |
| 23:33.54 | Ainulindale | (We're short staffed) |
| 23:33.59 | Ainulindale | Oh and |
| 23:34.02 | Ainulindale | omview is on the repository |
| 23:34.09 | Ainulindale | For who's interested |
| 23:34.12 | Fougner | Dave, you must use your usb cable |
| 23:34.23 | raster | clicks and drags up and down and watches icons scroll around) |
| 23:34.41 | Ainulindale | raster: don't use the force |
| 23:34.55 | Dave | :( |
| 23:35.06 | Dave | grr |
| 23:35.19 | Ainulindale | raster: Might that be in a ulterior rev? |
| 23:35.27 | Dave | also what the fuck does the close button do? |
| 23:35.38 | Dave | it certainly does not send it SIGKILL :P |
| 23:35.38 | Fougner | clicks a little bit too hard, now watching his broken mokoscreen |
| 23:36.01 | Ainulindale | Well anyway, truly not there now. |
| 23:36.09 | Dave | Also, how come in SHR (illume), clicking the gadget icons does absolutely nothing |
| 23:36.28 | Dave | raster - OH |
| 23:36.30 | Fougner | Dave, what is gadget icons? =D |
| 23:36.31 | Dave | IT DOES WORK! |
| 23:36.37 | Dave | the scrolling that is |
| 23:36.40 | Dave | it works terribly, but it works... |
| 23:37.08 | Dave | the default theme should pad more on the home screen |
| 23:37.14 | Dave | so there isn't as much a problem with this |
| 23:37.39 | Fougner | I can't see the numpty physics text |
| 23:37.44 | Fougner | in home screen |
| 23:38.15 | Dave | yeah numpty is apparently broken in SHR |
| 23:38.19 | Dave | it does nothing |
| 23:38.22 | Dave | JUST LIKE THE GOGGLES |
| 23:38.25 | Dave | right apt? |
| 23:38.34 | Dave | s/the/ze/i |
| 23:38.43 | raster | Dave: i am sitting here - illume-image on my plamt650 i just duplicated a lot of my icons and am scrolling by dragging up and down happily |
| 23:38.54 | Dave | yeah I got it to work |
| 23:38.58 | Dave | (on the freerunner, SHR) |
| 23:39.03 | raster | Dave: as for close button it does what clsoe does in x on every window |
| 23:39.09 | Dave | it goes at about -3fps |
| 23:39.13 | Dave | and doesn't work all the time |
| 23:39.34 | Dave | Raster, I meant, what it does it do, I was just curious as to how it signals something to close itself |
| 23:39.41 | raster | depends |
| 23:39.51 | Dave | because I just tried something and it seemed to force the window to close, but the app was still running for a while after |
| 23:39.54 | Dave | :\ |
| 23:39.57 | raster | mostly it sends a WM_DELETE wm procotols message to the app |
| 23:40.07 | Dave | okay |
| 23:40.11 | Dave | fair enough |
| 23:40.19 | raster | if the app says that it respects wm_delete as a protocol |
| 23:40.26 | raster | if not it will kill the client x connection |
| 23:40.34 | raster | e has built in killing of pid |
| 23:40.44 | raster | if 1. the process says it talks wm_ping protocols |
| 23:40.55 | raster | then e pings the process every 10 or so seconds |
| 23:41.04 | raster | as long as it responds within 10 secs e is happy |
| 23:41.11 | raster | if it doesnt e marks the window as "hung" |
| 23:41.17 | Dave | yeah, okay |
| 23:41.18 | raster | (ie app is not responding to pings) |
| 23:41.19 | Dave | good call |
| 23:41.24 | Dave | sensible :) |
| 23:41.26 | raster | if the app is hung and u close it |
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| 23:41.38 | raster | and the app provides a netwm_pid property giving its pid |
| 23:41.43 | raster | e will kill the pid |
| 23:41.46 | Dave | sweet! |
| 23:41.48 | Dave | Good shit |
| 23:41.56 | Dave | So 10s is the magic number thre? |
| 23:42.01 | raster | assuming the app is just being bad and not repsonding so it needs a lowrr-level not-so-nice spanking |
| 23:42.03 | Dave | before e classifies it as being hung? |
| 23:42.05 | raster | yes |
| 23:42.07 | Dave | okay |
| 23:42.08 | raster | thats the magic number |
| 23:42.08 | Dave | yeah |
| 23:42.12 | Dave | mofi was just hanging |
| 23:42.16 | Dave | which I accidentally clicked |
| 23:42.18 | raster | apps shoudl respond to pings almost instantly |
| 23:42.23 | raster | as their ui layer is doign that |
| 23:42.30 | raster | if the ui isnt respondingthe app may as well be dead |
| 23:42.41 | Dave | I wanted to kill it, but e wouldn't, so if I had waited ten seconds it would have done what I did |
| 23:42.48 | Dave | search & destroy |
| 23:43.38 | raster | depends |
| 23:43.41 | raster | if the app talks wm_ping |
| 23:43.43 | raster | if it doesnt |
| 23:43.50 | raster | e has no way to know if the app is really alive or not |
| 23:43.59 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 23:44.00 | Dave | that's hot |
| 23:44.06 | Dave | raster: scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 23:44.28 | Dave | somebody's got a sick sense of humor ;) |
| 23:45.02 | raster | e already has a lot of infrastructure for managing applications "nicely" or making it better for the user |
| 23:45.04 | raster | or trying |
| 23:45.08 | raster | this is one of them |
| 23:45.09 | raster | hmm |
| 23:45.14 | Dave | yeah |
| 23:45.17 | raster | thats sad |
| 23:45.30 | Dave | Is it? :) |
| 23:45.31 | raster | i winder if they are using that win95 wm |
| 23:45.37 | Dave | :P |
| 23:45.38 | raster | there is one that tries to look just like win95/98 |
| 23:45.40 | Dave | which is that? |
| 23:45.43 | Dave | probably |
| 23:45.44 | Dave | sick |
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| 23:48.41 | raster | nb |
| 23:48.55 | raster | one reason for the slow scrollign is that all icons are dynamically scaled on the fly every draw |
| 23:48.59 | raster | and that is actually slow |
| 23:49.11 | raster | its on a "maybe" list to add a scale cache |
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| 23:49.30 | Fougner | oh my |
| 23:49.49 | Fougner | unbelievable |
| 23:50.00 | raster | as evas's software (32bit) engine doesnt do nearest scaling (which si realyl fast - almost as fast as no scaling in a lot of cases) |
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| 23:50.17 | raster | it does full super/sub sampled scaling (much higher quality than GL or hardware does) |
| 23:50.21 | raster | or more to the point |
| 23:50.40 | raster | its more like anisotropic filtering with like a level of 256 |
| 23:50.50 | Fougner | oh.. |
| 23:50.50 | raster | if u know about gl and games and scaling filters |
| 23:50.52 | Fougner | dang |
| 23:50.57 | Fougner | nope =D |
| 23:51.03 | raster | so the quality is very high |
| 23:51.04 | Fougner | but It sounds nice |
| 23:51.07 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 23:51.08 | raster | scaled down images looks really nice |
| 23:51.19 | raster | so icons if u have them in 128x128 for example |
| 23:51.21 | Fougner | raster, you speak for deaf ears ;D |
| 23:51.22 | raster | get sclaed down on the fly |
| 23:51.26 | raster | but look yummy |
| 23:51.36 | raster | BUT.... that costs significant cpu |
| 23:51.42 | raster | as u do it every frame |
| 23:51.56 | Fougner | bleh |
| 23:51.57 | raster | it doesnt keep the results from previous draws |
| 23:52.03 | Dave | :[ |
| 23:52.03 | Fougner | yeah, someone has to fix that |
| 23:52.03 | Fougner | xD |
| 23:52.10 | Dave | Raster, that reminds me |
| 23:52.10 | Fougner | ey guys |
| 23:52.17 | Dave | Have you received your pandora yet? |
| 23:52.26 | Fougner | my moko hangs everytime when I boot with the normal powerbtn |
| 23:52.28 | raster | no |
| 23:52.31 | raster | none have shipped yet |
| 23:52.35 | Fougner | at the "openmoko" screen |
| 23:52.44 | Dave | okay |
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| 23:52.54 | Fougner | what can I do to solve it? |
| 23:52.56 | Dave | Fougner hangs |
| 23:52.57 | Fougner | the splashscreen? |
| 23:53.04 | Dave | did you wait five or more minutes? |
| 23:53.08 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 23:53.19 | Dave | hangs Fougner |
| 23:53.22 | Fougner | it should take a few seconds, not more |
| 23:53.25 | Dave | winnar :P |
| 23:53.31 | Dave | actually one of mine takes a long time |
| 23:53.38 | Fougner | one of them? o.O |
| 23:53.44 | Dave | otherwise you may have somehow unearthed the OMSoD |
| 23:53.50 | Fougner | .oO ( that guy is insane... ) |
| 23:53.58 | Fougner | what? |
| 23:54.06 | Fougner | stop, you're confusing |
| 23:54.18 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 23:54.49 | Fougner | raster, is there a way to edit the splash screen i download? |
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| 23:57.23 | Dave | Fougner, yes. |
| 23:57.34 | Dave | The boots are fucking retarded (if you're still using OM) |
| 23:57.42 | Fougner | noo |
| 23:57.54 | Fougner | that's not the splash, is it? :o |
| 23:58.10 | viq | what, you don't like being booted on boot? ;) |
| 23:58.43 | Fougner | I mean the openmoko text just when the device power on |
