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| 00:05.35 | kd8ikt-phone | 8-) |
| 00:06.59 | kd8ikt | i am an ignore script when i see your /quit msg virus i add you to my /ignore list |
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| 00:11.31 | Dave | :D |
| 00:11.36 | kd8ikt | speaking of audio formats what does starling media player support? |
| 00:13.18 | sicu | .wma ?? |
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| 00:16.23 | weirdedout | kd8ikt: I have used starling with mp3 and ogg. |
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| 00:21.27 | kd8ikt | aptitude install mp32ogg ;) |
| 00:21.49 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 00:23.08 | vininim | that's garbles the quality (probably won't be noticeable in the phone =P) |
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| 00:26.17 | kd8ikt | gads youre right |
| 00:28.37 | Dave | Hmm |
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| 00:30.35 | kd8ikt | once or twice during the song it jitters but that could just be the media player |
| 00:31.00 | kd8ikt | 07_zearle_hackers_and_crackers_class_war.ogg ;) |
| 00:32.20 | peppertarts | Hi all, I have an FSO related question. Does anyone know which program queries opreferencesd to obtain the ringtone volume and then plays the sound on an incoming call/message? |
| 00:32.41 | d-b | isn't it dbus ? |
| 00:35.14 | peppertarts | It is done via dbus but I was wondering which application actually requests the configuration data via dbus. It doesn't appear to be Zhone. |
| 00:35.37 | borg_ | mmh, isn't fso ms4 suposed to go into suspend after the screen gets black? |
| 00:36.20 | borg_ | my neo1973 somehow doesn't suspend at all with ms4 |
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| 00:36.43 | kd8ikt | apm -s |
| 00:36.49 | borg_ | sure |
| 00:36.55 | borg_ | that works of course ;) |
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| 00:37.24 | borg_ | but is there some configuration or something with which i can get it to autosuspend? |
| 00:38.09 | vininim_ | kd8ikt: mp3 and ogg uses two different acoustic models, so they ``cut'' quality at different parts |
| 00:39.27 | vininim_ | when you encode from one to another you lose more than what would be acceptable from original source. |
| 00:40.20 | kd8ikt | of course |
| 00:40.45 | kd8ikt | need to rip it initially with a high quality lossless container |
| 00:41.03 | vininim_ | s/from original source/if you encoded either form original source/ |
| 00:42.40 | slaxxin | just get u some SHR an get over it |
| 00:43.31 | vininim_ | I'm trying to do that for 2 days now. xD |
| 00:43.36 | kd8ikt | regex? |
| 00:43.44 | slaxxin | wassa problem? |
| 00:44.22 | slaxxin | flash mwesters stable kernel then shr |
| 00:44.27 | vininim_ | I did |
| 00:44.41 | vininim_ | the lastest built has startling segfault at half musics |
| 00:45.00 | vininim_ | s/built/dldable image |
| 00:45.19 | vininim_ | and I'm getting problems with libframeworkd-phonegui |
| 00:45.30 | vininim_ | so I can't build myself |
| 00:46.07 | peppertarts | borg_: I don't think Zhone will auto suspend. Looking at the source it appears that although it knows of the 'suspend' state it doesn't act on it, only the 'lock' state (screen lock). However it may be that another system handles this anyway... maybe someone else knows. |
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| 00:48.27 | vininim_ | slaxxin: did you manage to build from git? Want to know if someone did before I wipe it all together and restart |
| 00:50.00 | slaxxin | no i didnt |
| 00:50.39 | slaxxin | i just installed the jffs2 file |
| 00:51.26 | vininim_ | Yeah, I have that currently on my fr. |
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| 00:54.07 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: around? |
| 00:54.08 | Wonka | i just want some kernel that doesn't lose bytes on ttySAC2 any time there is a little load... |
| 00:54.27 | Wonka | GPS hanging for minutes at a time is just not funny |
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| 00:55.47 | menace | is there any plan to support UMTS in some future version of a OpenMokoDevice? |
| 00:55.56 | slaxxin | superdave |
| 00:56.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | menace: yup, exactly. plans for a future device :-) |
| 00:57.09 | menace | something concrete as in 3 years? next month? ten years? |
| 00:57.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | no comment |
| 00:57.43 | Wonka | menace: not before GTA04, it seems |
| 00:57.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | as I simply dunno |
| 00:58.02 | menace | hm, okay, that's at least more concrete, Wonka :) |
| 00:58.11 | Wonka | menace: GTA03 will have EDGE, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions says |
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| 00:58.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | so you can exclude next month from the list ;-) |
| 00:59.19 | menace | aeh, what is edge? i doesn't recognize the acronym atm |
| 00:59.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | gta03 seems to go wit MC75i |
| 01:00.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | enhanced date for gsm errrrr |
| 01:00.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | data even |
| 01:00.32 | Elleo | menace: 2.75G ;) |
| 01:00.46 | Wonka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDGE |
| 01:00.52 | Elleo | ~20KB/s if you're lucky |
| 01:01.14 | menace | hm :] |
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| 01:01.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | turbo-gprs :-) |
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| 01:02.13 | menace | looks nicely. |
| 01:02.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | but no umts |
| 01:02.42 | raster | no one needs 3g |
| 01:02.46 | raster | 2g is fast enough |
| 01:02.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | google for MC75i ! |
| 01:02.55 | Wonka | i'd settle for a gprs flat atm |
| 01:02.57 | raster | (to quote somone...) |
| 01:02.59 | raster | :) |
| 01:03.07 | Wonka | mobile IRC would be fine... |
| 01:03.22 | Wonka | but my current SIM doesnt work in the FR. fuck you, gemalto. |
| 01:03.53 | menace | raster: like no one needed more than 64k to work? |
| 01:04.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | Wonka: stay tuned (or even dare to test) GSM-fw update |
| 01:04.16 | Wonka | 640k ought to be enough for anybody |
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| 01:04.21 | raster | menace: 640k :) |
| 01:04.28 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer2: anywhere more on that? |
| 01:04.30 | menace | or like that... |
| 01:04.37 | menace | but i think you get the point ;) |
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| 01:04.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | wiki/gsm/flashing |
| 01:04.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | and on hw-ML |
| 01:05.03 | Wonka | "there is a world market for maybe five computers" |
| 01:06.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | Wonka: moko10b2 should fix (some) #666 issues |
| 01:06.50 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer2: oh, nice. thanks. |
| 01:07.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | some of the next day there will be a more convenient solution, than the one described on wiki |
| 01:07.33 | Wonka | mmh... i'd propose to use screen instead of two ssh sessions |
| 01:07.53 | Wonka | protects against ssh connection failures |
| 01:07.55 | Wonka | and stuff |
| 01:08.52 | Wonka | anyway, it's 2:07 and my alarm clock will ring at about 06:30 |
| 01:08.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | we don't recommend to do this anyway ;-) and we strongly advice to follow the exact procedure IF you dare |
| 01:10.02 | Wonka | in my eyes, two failing ssh sessions killing two processes sure hurt more than one failing session not killing screen and the two shells in it... :) |
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| 01:10.21 | Wonka | & |
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| 01:16.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | Wonka: it's up to you. Don't blame OM, whether you use to ssh or screen. We don't recommend to follow this procedure anyway, it's too sensitive to typing errors etc |
| 01:17.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | but If you do, with success, a feedback on wiki would be great |
| 01:18.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | if no success, you may ask for help. just mail me |
| 01:21.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | Wonka: OM is very interested in reports on #666 being (not) fixed with moko10 fw |
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| 01:27.19 | vininim_ | mmm I think I might give qtopia a try... |
| 01:35.20 | Dave | Joerg :D |
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| 01:37.49 | kd8ikt-phone | muwahaha |
| 01:40.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | hi Dave! |
| 01:41.54 | kd8ikt-phone | O:-) |
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| 01:49.00 | slaxxin | shr for the masses |
| 01:53.08 | slaxxin | so do u think that magnum steel epoxy is electricaly conductive? |
| 01:53.33 | SpeedEvil | probably not. |
| 01:54.23 | SpeedEvil | the particle shape and mix needs to be just so to make it actually conductive, you tend by the bnature of metal filled epoxy just to get metal with lots of gaps in. |
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| 01:55.41 | slaxxin | pretty much only get one shot |
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| 02:10.57 | vininim_ | gnuight guys, I hope the qt extended alarm clocks works. :3 |
| 02:11.08 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 02:11.21 | CVirus | I hope it's not urgent |
| 02:11.40 | vininim_ | well just classes |
| 02:11.47 | CVirus | HAHAHAHA :-D |
| 02:11.59 | CVirus | good luck and good night |
| 02:12.24 | vininim_ | gnuight |
| 02:12.47 | slaxxin | alarm wont work for me |
| 02:12.51 | slaxxin | shr |
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| 03:53.34 | q0b | hi! is there a way to forbid the fr in fso ms4 to blank the screen? (settings won't work) |
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| 04:49.13 | slaxxin | i guess the fdom image has no mp3 problems? |
| 04:51.40 | mwester | It's not created by, nor hosted by Openmoko. |
| 04:52.04 | mwester | I guess a patent troll could go after whomever created or hosts those images? Dunno? |
| 04:56.34 | slaxxin | so is there going to be a 2008.11 release of openmoko? |
| 04:58.06 | mwester | I hope not. |
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| 05:04.52 | lawnjart | hello |
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| 05:10.20 | raster | mwester: think positive! |
| 05:10.21 | raster | :) |
| 05:10.45 | mwester | That *IS* positive! Om will have all their resources on fixing the kernel issues and the GSM problems. |
| 05:11.07 | raster | dont be silly |
| 05:11.15 | raster | they're busy working on gta03! |
| 05:11.15 | raster | :) |
| 05:11.38 | mwester | No no no no --- that's just a code-name for, um. um... ... um... |
| 05:11.43 | raster | hehehehe |
| 05:11.52 | raster | think posoitive |
| 05:11.58 | raster | u get to buy a gta03! |
| 05:12.06 | raster | gotta keep the cause funded! |
| 05:12.07 | raster | :) |
| 05:12.56 | mwester | yep... but just like a politician, once you take the outside off, it's all the same inside -- another samsung SOC. |
| 05:12.56 | raster | mwester: nb.. have u noticed somethnig interesting with the treo650? |
| 05:13.04 | raster | ther touchscreen chews cpu resoruces |
| 05:13.11 | raster | if u click and drag... |
| 05:13.15 | mwester | Hmm... no I never actually checked. |
| 05:13.21 | raster | it like drops things down to 1/2 or less of the speed |
| 05:13.28 | mwester | yikes |
| 05:13.33 | raster | yeah |
| 05:13.54 | mwester | I wonder if that could be solved by some in-kernel smarts. |
| 05:14.57 | raster | dunno |
| 05:15.12 | raster | but a kernel driver eats about 15% cpu on its own |
| 05:15.15 | raster | kdm something |
| 05:15.18 | raster | or kwt |
| 05:15.19 | raster | not sure |
| 05:16.15 | mwester | is it polling then?? |
| 05:19.03 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.03 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.19 | raster | admittedly: |
| 05:19.21 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.34 | raster | is getting a lot of cpu being delivered all the move events |
| 05:19.50 | raster | i should really see where all that time is going as with those it should be doing nothing |
| 05:19.56 | raster | i guess its mostly edje signal stuff |
| 05:20.11 | mwester | That's curious |
| 05:20.40 | raster | oh no |
| 05:20.40 | raster | wait |
| 05:20.42 | raster | thats wrong |
| 05:20.51 | raster | i had another dialog up with a glowing cursor animating |
| 05:20.58 | mwester | :) |
| 05:21.02 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.03 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.03 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.03 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.04 | raster | there |
| 05:21.23 | raster | so x and elementary use abotu the same cpu dealing with events |
| 05:21.30 | raster | elementary isnt redrawing anything there |
| 05:21.37 | raster | i'm just scratching on an inactive part of the ui |
| 05:21.44 | mwester | odd |
| 05:21.51 | raster | but... interestingly scrolling is really chunky |
| 05:21.59 | raster | until i stop moving my stylus/finger |
| 05:22.10 | raster | if i then let the automaitc "momentum" animation continue |
| 05:22.14 | raster | its smooth |
| 05:22.37 | raster | that kwm97xx i suspect is involved |
| 05:23.19 | mwester | it would likely be responsible for some of the jerkiness I would expect. But I can't imagine what it would do that would make elementary_test consume cpu |
| 05:23.33 | emacsen | I wonder how many gta02 owners will buy a gta03... |
| 05:23.36 | raster | oh thats just mouse events |
| 05:23.47 | raster | x events goes to ecore |
| 05:23.48 | mwester | but the mouse events aren't in the window, right/ |
| 05:23.50 | mwester | ? |
| 05:23.54 | raster | ecore will malloc (and then free) event structs |
| 05:24.00 | raster | and then those also get passed to evas |
| 05:24.06 | raster | evas figures out what object(s) they go to |
| 05:24.15 | raster | and virtual events get generated (eg in/out on object) |
| 05:24.19 | raster | and then edje gets callbacks... |
| 05:24.31 | raster | callbacks generate string signals that go into a message queue... |
| 05:24.47 | raster | and then that message queue gets processed later to match against callbacks and globs and other goop |
| 05:24.50 | raster | its quite heavy |
| 05:24.58 | raster | somethnig i need to look at some time... |
| 05:25.04 | raster | and yes |
| 05:25.08 | mwester | so filtering out the touchscreen 'noise' would be best done early |
| 05:25.09 | raster | these events are in the window |
| 05:25.18 | raster | ecore filters early on |
| 05:25.22 | raster | just after getting x events |
| 05:25.30 | raster | it literally drops excess motion events |
| 05:25.33 | raster | eg if it gets |
| 05:25.36 | mwester | right, but it would be even better if the kernel driver filtered some of that. |
| 05:25.56 | raster | press, move, move, move, move, move, release, press, move, move, move, release |
| 05:26.01 | raster | u actually then only see |
| 05:26.12 | raster | press,move,release,press,move,release |
| 05:26.17 | raster | it throws out excess moves |
| 05:26.24 | raster | (if they are all queued up) |
| 05:26.30 | raster | happens really early on |
| 05:26.35 | mwester | ok |
| 05:26.47 | raster | before the heavier stuff kicks in and has to handle the stuff |
| 05:26.58 | raster | i wonder why x is using 10% tho |
| 05:27.00 | mwester | heh! Like a malloc. |
| 05:27.05 | raster | yeah |
| 05:27.11 | raster | well actually |
| 05:27.16 | raster | the mallocs happen before that |
| 05:27.29 | raster | it then runs thru its event queue and finds "pointless sequences" |
| 05:27.38 | raster | efl LOVEs malloc |
| 05:27.47 | raster | malloc god damn everything |
| 05:27.50 | raster | :) |
| 05:27.56 | mwester | ah, well that could be an issue on a small-memory machine, depending on the algorithm used by libc |
| 05:28.02 | raster | yeah |
| 05:28.05 | raster | it can be |
| 05:28.09 | mwester | best fit vs first fit |
| 05:28.13 | raster | though in this case i dont think thats a problem |
| 05:28.19 | mwester | we have 32MB to work with... |
| 05:28.38 | raster | i think its mostly the higher levels consuming there |
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| 05:28.52 | mwester | is it C++ code, then ;) |
| 05:28.58 | raster | dont have any memory pools currently for events |
| 05:29.02 | raster | but probably should create them |
| 05:29.16 | raster | have them for lists and hashes etc. |
| 05:30.17 | mwester | do you need to malloc events in the first place? |
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| 05:31.48 | raster | well each event has a struct |
| 05:31.57 | raster | and the struct size varies per events - quite a lot |
| 05:32.12 | raster | as its generic i cant have a union as events can be generated by pretty much any bit of code |
| 05:32.23 | raster | each bit could have its own mempool |
| 05:32.40 | raster | and also # of events is unknown |
| 05:32.45 | raster | u get in 1 or more |
| 05:32.51 | raster | could be 1, 10, 100, 1000 in the queue |
| 05:33.09 | raster | # of events is howevere many manage to be generated from input from 1 round of selec() |
| 05:33.18 | raster | and pretty much any other code that generates synthetic events |
| 05:33.37 | raster | so its possible not to malloc |
| 05:33.40 | raster | but problematic |
| 05:33.40 | raster | :) |
| 05:33.59 | raster | i dont think thats the problem tho |
| 05:34.07 | raster | i'll oprofile and see |
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| 05:48.47 | slaxxin | lasmfm ,, sweet |
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| 05:51.18 | doc|home | http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428 nice hardware |
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| 05:54.20 | kd8ikt | dang |
| 05:54.34 | kd8ikt | i'm still here who's still alive |
| 05:54.48 | kd8ikt | just watched iron man that movie is pimp |
| 05:55.06 | raster | do winmo |
| 05:55.07 | raster | :( |
| 05:55.41 | kd8ikt | my stuff is wsod'in when disconnected from usb |
| 05:55.47 | kd8ikt | must be sleeping |
| 05:56.04 | kd8ikt | even when i tell exposure/illume apm configs to not suspend |
| 05:56.25 | kd8ikt | i'm about to chmod -x apm |
| 05:56.36 | kd8ikt | but its probably using sysfs |
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| 05:56.52 | kd8ikt | <whatever under the hood is suspending it> |
| 05:57.16 | kd8ikt | damn fso dbus is gettiing tpoo smart |
| 05:58.41 | raster | illume's config is entirely unrelated to fso |
| 05:58.52 | raster | that works in asu as illume looks for and talks to ompower dbus |
| 05:58.56 | raster | that doesnt exist in fso |
| 05:59.05 | raster | so all it ends up doing is havign a second screenblank config |
| 05:59.05 | kd8ikt | i'm using fsp |
| 05:59.10 | kd8ikt | err i mean shr |
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| 05:59.30 | kd8ikt | it uses fso basicly anyway |
| 05:59.40 | raster | oh beats me what that does |
| 05:59.44 | raster | ok |
| 05:59.55 | kd8ikt | uses fso dbus |
| 06:00.09 | kd8ikt | seems to be where everything is going fso dusb |
| 06:01.06 | kd8ikt | so how do i tell dbus to not suspend? |
| 06:08.46 | raster | mwester: well... on a desktop.... oprof shows that... |
| 06:09.04 | raster | 85% of my time is in the kernel |
| 06:09.22 | raster | 5% in libc |
| 06:09.28 | raster | 1.5% in xorg |
| 06:09.30 | raster | and so on... |
| 06:09.35 | raster | 0.6% in evas... |
| 06:10.05 | raster | the libc blob i can't say one way or another what that is |
| 06:10.17 | raster | no symbols |
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| 06:15.37 | kd8ikt | seriously did anyone see iron man and get a tremendous boner seeing the holographic displays and OS's |
| 06:16.30 | doc|home | raster: yep, but still, 800mhz |
| 06:17.13 | raster | do thats nice tho |
| 06:17.18 | raster | depends on the arm generation tho |
| 06:17.21 | raster | how many intr/mhz |
| 06:17.22 | raster | :) |
| 06:17.23 | raster | err |
| 06:17.24 | raster | instr |
| 06:17.28 | raster | and memory |
| 06:17.30 | raster | is it sdr |
| 06:17.31 | raster | ddr |
| 06:17.35 | raster | ddr100,133,333? |
| 06:17.42 | slaxxin | dual batteries |
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| 06:19.22 | slaxxin | GTB001- runs on air |
| 06:20.17 | gurugentoo | GTC001 functions as a brain implant |
| 06:20.43 | gurugentoo | (still in the planning stage) |
| 06:21.31 | gurugentoo | hopefully there won't be an echo problem on that hardware |
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| 06:25.43 | undrwater | raster: will the "profile" as demonstrated in SHR be a standard part of e |
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| 06:27.21 | undrwater | i think the choice now is illume and default |
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| 06:30.15 | daMaestro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:30.21 | CM_work | Morning |
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| 07:40.18 | kimrhh | is Michael Lauer by any chance hanging out in here? :) |
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| 07:48.09 | gromez | kimrhh: yes but he's sleeping :) |
| 07:49.00 | kimrhh | ah, it's mickey|zzZZzz right? |
| 07:49.08 | gromez | yep |
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| 07:49.15 | kimrhh | great |
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| 08:32.17 | methril | morning |
| 08:33.15 | rooly | evening |
| 08:33.19 | rooly | still working on yesterday here... |
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| 08:46.28 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4795 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (17 files in 3 dirs): |
| 08:46.28 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - move patches now in stable-tracking over to attic2/ |
| 08:46.28 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - keep NAND patches for posteriority (note: they're on a parallel track via |
| 08:46.28 | CIA-51 | openmoko: Ben's tree - this is merely a backup) |
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| 09:02.40 | SteBud86 | Goodmorning! |
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| 09:06.33 | SteBud86 | I'm trying to build Openmoko image: I'm using the Mokomakefile, following the Wiki instructions (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakeFile) but when I type "make image" I get this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/1255978 |
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| 09:08.21 | SteBud86 | There is a problem with the download of package "illume" from enlightenment svn: how can I fix it? |
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| 09:15.51 | vininim | the alarm clock did work heh |
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| 09:26.34 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:32.09 | vininim | mmm... Any package feed for qt extended? |
| 09:33.25 | dns53 | it comes with one doesn't it? |
| 09:33.49 | vininim | not working |
| 09:33.52 | dns53 | it was a blank feed but it had a placeholder there |
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| 09:37.57 | vininim | I even tried changing to current version with no luck |
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| 10:09.05 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07fso-makefile * r5bd2ee830083 10/Makefile: Inverted the inclusion of order of sane srcrev files to put shr-autorev first. |
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| 12:19.57 | spacepluk | hi |
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| 12:40.43 | gromez | a new android image seems to be available |
| 12:42.11 | TAsn | gromez, any official update? |
| 12:42.40 | hackbert131 | gromez: yea? were to find? |
| 12:42.55 | gromez | TAsn: no, just on sean's repository |
| 12:43.02 | gromez | http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 12:43.33 | TAsn | I'll wait till my rss reader pops ;] |
| 12:43.55 | hackbert131 | thx |
| 12:44.05 | beniwtv | hmm... yeah it seems updated, but without changelog I'm not going to try :)# |
| 12:44.28 | gromez | just flashed, booting it... |
| 12:45.08 | TAsn | gromez, do you see an on screen keyboard? ;] |
| 12:45.31 | beniwtv | +1, I think that's the major issue |
| 12:45.49 | beniwtv | Another issue I had is that the bluetooth obex protocol was not working :( |
| 12:46.06 | hackbert131 | gromez: pls report when tested! |
| 12:46.08 | gromez | i just see a black screen, my sd card should not be well formatted |
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| 12:48.15 | beniwtv | wooha... Debian just fixed the python ctypes issue |
| 12:48.28 | beniwtv | is happy now... (dances) |
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| 13:01.39 | TAsn | Zorkman, sup? |
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| 13:06.54 | yoyo | hi |
| 13:08.44 | gromez | still a black screen with a fresh formatted sd card |
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| 13:15.51 | kimrhh | beniwtv: didn't they exclude all Bluetooth in the first releases? |
| 13:19.23 | beniwtv | kimrhh: I dunno, it seemed to detect my car handsfree and my laptop fine (could get to the pairing screen), but I wasn't able to send files from my laptop to android |
| 13:19.43 | kimrhh | beniwtv: ok |
| 13:20.02 | kimrhh | i just remember something about not including the bluetooth api |
| 13:20.27 | beniwtv | Yeah, maybe they left half of it out for now |
| 13:23.14 | hackbert131 | gromez: ok thx wont try it then ... |
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| 13:25.21 | yoyo | somthing with "http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+gitr4067470ea4d569bae7b4161ca998645a0c9b96e7-r2.1_armv4t.ipk" |
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| 13:56.30 | kd8ikt | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=conf/example/frameworkd.conf |
| 13:56.45 | kd8ikt | i likes that linky---^ |
| 13:57.07 | pooze | can any of you 2008.x guys run the settings application? |
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| 13:57.21 | pooze | I keep getting the #2088 bug, and it is seemingly fixed. |
| 13:57.35 | pooze | but not with a clean flash + opkg upgrade using testing repos. |
| 13:58.07 | pooze | I'm eager to get this fixed, but I have found no clue in the mailing-lists addressing this issue |
| 13:58.24 | pooze | and the bugtracker simply caims it is fixed without any references to further information on how to fix it. |
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| 14:02.23 | kd8ikt | dont trust it ;) |
| 14:02.37 | pooze | kd8ikt: are you answering me? |
| 14:02.55 | kd8ikt | the bug report |
| 14:03.09 | pooze | I see on my phone it is not fixed. ;) |
| 14:03.32 | pooze | but since I find no references to a fix anywhere, does it mean I'm the only one affected by the bug? |
| 14:03.45 | SpeedEvil | !bug 2088 |
| 14:03.55 | pooze | what about you? are you running 2008.x with a working settings app? |
| 14:04.01 | SpeedEvil | isn't. |
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| 14:04.12 | pooze | SpeedEvil: what do you mean? 2088 is not a bug? |
| 14:04.14 | mwester | doesn't run 2008.x |
| 14:04.24 | SpeedEvil | there was a bug. |
| 14:04.27 | SpeedEvil | err |
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| 14:04.28 | SpeedEvil | a bot |
| 14:04.31 | pooze | ah... |
| 14:04.38 | SpeedEvil | that gave the URL to the bugtracker |
| 14:04.49 | pooze | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2088 |
| 14:04.55 | pooze | I can be that bot for now. ;) |
| 14:05.01 | mwester | ~bug 2088 |
| 14:05.03 | mwester | ? |
| 14:05.11 | mwester | apparently not. |
| 14:05.12 | mwester | :( |
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| 14:05.41 | pooze | and btw... wasn't there some openmoko-devel channel on this server? |
| 14:05.57 | pooze | I tried /j #openmoko-devel, but it didn't work.. is my pidgin playing tricks on me? |
| 14:06.01 | SpeedEvil | openmoko-devel is where the camel hangs out. |
| 14:06.08 | SpeedEvil | s/camel/cabal/ |
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| 14:06.13 | mwester | Try #openmoko-cdevel |
| 14:06.16 | toggles_w | pooze: openmoko-cdevel |
| 14:06.21 | SpeedEvil | openmoko-cdevel is the community development channel. |
| 14:06.31 | pooze | ah.. there it is.. thanks. :) |
| 14:06.33 | ieatlint | alcohol is intoximicating |
| 14:06.44 | pooze | uhm... |
| 14:06.49 | pooze | but the channel was emptyh |
| 14:07.07 | mwester | bit early for that, though, ieatlint |
| 14:07.07 | pooze | ok... spelling it correctly is a start. |
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| 14:07.14 | toggles_w | 08:06 -!- pooze [n=imo@62.70.2.252] has joined #openmoko-cdevel |
| 14:07.22 | toggles_w | you made it |
| 14:07.28 | ieatlint | mwester, i'm sleeping odd hours |
| 14:07.33 | mwester | hehe! |
| 14:07.35 | pooze | I entered openmoko_vdevel first... which was empty. :-P |
| 14:07.50 | ieatlint | been sick, which really screwed my hours... is 6:07am, i woke up at 8pm |
| 14:08.02 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 14:08.11 | SpeedEvil | woke up at 1AM, 6AM, 11AM |
| 14:08.21 | mwester | Ouch. |
| 14:08.30 | ieatlint | yeah, i was doing that for a while... |
| 14:08.31 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea which is my 'real' daytime. |
| 14:08.44 | ieatlint | fever... wake up freezing, wake up hot, etc |
| 14:09.15 | ieatlint | you're a brit... it's 2pm |
| 14:09.26 | yoyo | help: why I get "*** CAUGHT: image not found" starting numptyphysics ? |
| 14:09.44 | mwester | SpeedEvil: did you ever fish your neo1973 out? |
| 14:09.46 | SpeedEvil | votes for implementing a 26 hour day. |
| 14:09.52 | SpeedEvil | mwester: yes - it's here now. |
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| 14:10.26 | mwester | Cool. The new GSM firmware flashes just fine on it. |
| 14:10.49 | XorA | mwester: got a link, I think I lost the emails sometime over the weekend |
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| 14:10.59 | mwester | I also updated u-boot -- it's faster (***WAY*** faster) than the gta02 on initial power-up to u-boot's menu. |
| 14:11.13 | SpeedEvil | mwester: you mean we can flash the GSM now? |
| 14:11.36 | ieatlint | mwester, have you seen the gta03 case? and if so, i've only one question that you can hopefully answer... is it awesome? |
| 14:11.37 | beniwtv | mwester: what version of u-boot do you have now? |
| 14:11.41 | mwester | XorA: I need to do a few more tests on the GTA01 procedure, but the GTA02 procedure is on the wiki... lemme get the link. |
| 14:12.30 | XorA | be fun to make gta01 into something usable :-D |
| 14:12.44 | mwester | Here's the GTA02 procedure: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 14:13.12 | mwester | The GTA01 procedure was outlined by Werner; looks like it might actually be closer to the GTA02 process than originally thought. |
| 14:13.12 | pooze | is frustrated |
| 14:13.29 | pooze | has not been able to run the settings app for 2-3 weeks now. |
| 14:13.42 | XorA | ah, I didnt realise we had allowed fluid out of the door |
| 14:13.46 | mwester | In any case, at present, the GTA01 is working every bit as well as the GTA02, and for some things even better. |
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| 14:14.23 | XorA | Xorg will run real nicely on gta01 |
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| 14:14.54 | mwester | All the gui interaction just feels smoother. |
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| 14:15.02 | mwester | suspend/resume is rock-solid |
| 14:15.24 | mwester | and it knows if it's plugged into the charger/USB or not when it first boots up... |
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| 14:15.38 | mwester | (my pet peeves about the GTA02 at present ;) ) |
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| 14:16.33 | XorA | GTA01 revival starts ;-) |
| 14:16.58 | beniwtv | hmmm... but there isn't yet a official GSM flash image, right? I mean, it has not been announced yet? |
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| 14:17.45 | mwester | beniwtv: No, nothing official yet -- so since the procedure is somewhat risky (according to the wiki page) it would probably be best to not do it if you have reasonably current firmware to begin with. |
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| 14:17.59 | pooze | hmm... could I get a few suggestions here? Not technical. Just what to do. |
| 14:18.07 | pooze | I have the settings app in 2008.x not working |
| 14:18.17 | pooze | bug says it is solved, but not for me. |
| 14:18.24 | pooze | I find nothing in google or the openmoko-lists |
| 14:18.28 | pooze | what should I do? |
| 14:18.29 | mwester | I had Moko-1 firmware -- so I figured there was little lost if the upgrade failed and I bricked the GSM permanently. |
| 14:18.49 | pooze | where should I search? What should I look for? |
| 14:18.54 | beniwtv | mwester: yeah, I was just wondering. I'm not going to upgrade anything until there is a bouncing calypso fix, because that's the only one affecting me right now |
| 14:19.23 | pooze | beniwtv: ah.. the fix is in testing repo... (the only reason I've upgraded to testing) |
| 14:19.24 | XorA | AT+CSIM is going to be the most fun new feature |
| 14:19.28 | mwester | beniwtv: that one is very high on my priority list too, and that fix would be the only thing that would make me risk flashing the GSM firmware on my GTA02. :) |
| 14:19.33 | pooze | beniwtv: but backup before upgrading. |
| 14:19.57 | XorA | can brute force the Ki via bluetooth :-D |
| 14:19.59 | pooze | beniwtv: I get the icons bug and the settings app bug when upgrading. |
| 14:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | XorA: yup |
| 14:20.21 | beniwtv | pooze: but I thought that fix just disabled deep sleep completely? |
| 14:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | (fun) |
| 14:21.12 | pooze | beniwtv: ah.. true, it does.. which for me is ok as a temporary fix. it stops the bouncing and I can use the FR as a phone. |
| 14:21.15 | beniwtv | mwester: Agreed, only update if really necessary, and a fix is there |
| 14:21.37 | mwester | pooze: the general approach I would use would be to check when the bug claimed to be fixed... if sufficient time has passed, and you are certain that your firmware is up-to-date, then you can consider re-opening the bug. But first make sure that you are up-to-date, and that you have allowed enough time for the fix to make it into the package feeds. |
| 14:22.04 | beniwtv | pooze: Yeah, I've got that fix to, in fso ms4, but that's only a temporary fix |
| 14:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | XorA|afk: (brute force) can do that with a cardreader as well ;-) |
| 14:22.44 | XorA|afk | DocScrutinizer: yes, but doing it the pub is a whole new level of 1337 |
| 14:22.50 | XorA|afk | in the pub |
| 14:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 14:23.18 | pooze | mwester: ok, what would you consider reasonable time? and are there anything else than opkg update && opkg upgrade I would need to do to make sure I'm up to date? (and checking that I'm actually upgrading from the testing repository of course) |
| 14:24.35 | mwester | pooze: I don't follow the 2008.x distro, so I cannot comment on the specifics. :( |
| 14:25.11 | pooze | mwester: ok... which distro are you using? just for curiosity.. |
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| 14:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: thanks for testing moko10 anyway :-)) |
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| 14:25.45 | mwester | pooze: :) Every one of them except 2008.x ! |
| 14:25.53 | pooze | haha |
| 14:26.03 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: Sorry I can't find a SIM with the registration problem. :( |
| 14:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | be happy about that. maybe also you never had a firmware that actually had the bug at all |
| 14:26.46 | pooze | mwester: any particular reason for the exclusion of 2008.x ? |
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| 14:27.20 | mwester | I even "borrowed" an iPhone SIM -- with the "3G" and fireball logo -- and it worked perfectly with the old firmwares. (I have Moko5 and Moko1 fw that I tested for registration issues on) |
| 14:27.51 | mwester | pooze: Yes. Philisophical I guess. |
| 14:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, as we nly recently started to look into this, I can't tell whether the bug was n moko1/5. It's confirmed for moko8 at least (IIRC) |
| 14:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | or moko8+9 |
| 14:28.51 | mwester | Hmmm... I can flash back from -10 to -8, right? |
| 14:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:29.02 | mwester | :) |
| 14:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | avoid anything <=5 though |
| 14:29.33 | mwester | heh - All three of mine were <=5 |
| 14:29.35 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: any idea when that "flashing-image" to put in the sd will be ready? |
| 14:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | there were massive changes in moko5, which make it brick if you backdate |
| 14:30.06 | mwester | Ooh - thanks for the heads up on that. |
| 14:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | FROM 5 TO anything newer is no issue |
| 14:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | FRO >5 downto 5 rolly will brick GSM |
| 14:30.41 | mwester | I wonder if you might like to remove the 1-5 firmware images from that tarball referenced on the wiki page? |
| 14:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | nah, not really ;-) |
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| 14:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | this wiki page clearly is marked "deprecated" :-D |
| 14:31.28 | SpeedEvil | You mean that the hardware changed post-5? |
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| 14:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | so for experts only |
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| 14:31.51 | SpeedEvil | Or the flasher |
| 14:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | nope, hw didn't change. FW did change massively |
| 14:32.07 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | there are tings like calibration data on GSM eprom, which might get lost on a downgrade to 5 |
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| 14:32.59 | mwester | May I edit the page to add a note to avoid those versions near the bottom where it reads "if so reflash some older firmware..." ? |
| 14:33.03 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | structure of this data changed from 5 to 6, and newer versions will cope with that. Not moko5 tho |
| 14:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: sure go ahead |
| 14:35.12 | beniwtv | well, I have to go now... trying out GPS navigation in the car. Wish me luck that I do not get lost :P |
| 14:35.17 | beniwtv | cya |
| 14:35.48 | SpeedEvil | 'turn left off bridge along river.' |
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| 14:36.23 | quickdev | j #neo1973-germany |
| 14:36.25 | quickdev | argh :) |
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| 14:47.22 | kd8ikt | navit? |
| 14:48.53 | laen | For more information please dial 555-GTA02? |
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| 14:50.17 | Weiss | fso-gpsd provides "gpsd", meaning that "opkg install gpsd" installs fso-gpsd instead of plain gpsd |
| 14:50.36 | Weiss | is there something i can type to get the plain gpsd? (since fso-gpsd isn't useful to me - i don't use FSO at the moment0 |
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| 14:53.37 | Weiss | (other than opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r9.02_armv4t.opk) |
| 14:56.43 | Weiss | alternatively, is fso-gpsd supposed to work without the rest of the framework present? |
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| 15:05.36 | alphaone | Weiss: No, you need ogpsd at least |
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| 15:05.44 | alphaone | start with frameworkd -s ogpsd |
| 15:05.57 | alphaone | or just use gpsd |
| 15:06.38 | alphaone | Weiss: Doesn't fso-gpsd require frameworkd? |
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| 15:12.19 | Weiss | alphaone: yes, it does depend (somehow i have frameworkd installed as well) |
| 15:12.45 | alphaone | ah, good |
| 15:16.58 | Weiss | but, when i say "opkg install gpsd", i want the vanilla version, not fso-gpsd |
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| 15:17.07 | Weiss | should that be possible / is that the right thing to do? |
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| 15:18.15 | Weiss | at the moment, that command installs frameworkd and fso-gpsd |
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| 15:22.22 | Weiss | worse, the gpsd package itself gives me fso-gpsd: why? :S |
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| 15:23.24 | Weiss | http://pastebin.com/d66b886fe |
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| 15:59.26 | LostInspace | anybody in here alive have time to look at something for me and give me their opinions? |
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| 15:59.57 | gromgull | LostInSpace: as long as we're not talking hours :) |
| 16:00.04 | LostInspace | lol |
| 16:00.54 | LostInspace | that uses an s3c2410 (i know this is an openmoko thing but I figured you guys have alot more knowledge then me) |
| 16:00.57 | pooze | hmm... do I need to subscribe to the mailing lists in order post there? |
| 16:01.38 | LostInspace | http://pastebin.com/m78993709 <-- this is what one of the openmoko kernel outputs on an openmoko device....on my device after 2 ports detected....everything goes down the drain...i don't see any of the other stuff and get tons of error -62 failed to assign address |
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| 16:02.23 | LostInspace | i tired a 2.6.26 kernel a 2.6.21 is the one I'm currently trying to build...both fail the same way |
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| 16:02.42 | pb__ | LostInspace: do you know that your hardware is working correctly? |
| 16:03.01 | LostInspace | pb_, well last know state it was yes...but maybe not anymore |
| 16:03.03 | pb__ | that sort of thing is usually symptomatic of the usb ports being wired wrong. d+/d- swapped, wrong or missing resistors, that kind of thing. |
| 16:03.05 | LostInspace | that would suck |
| 16:03.22 | LostInspace | pb_, well the unit is a gps....nothing has really changed inside |
| 16:03.29 | LostInspace | used to work fine with the 2.4.x kernel that came with it |
| 16:03.41 | LostInspace | but the unit was crappy i'm trying to breath some new life in it |
| 16:04.17 | pb__ | does it actually have two usb ports? |
| 16:04.23 | LostInspace | actualy 3 |
| 16:04.34 | pb__ | do you know how they are connected? |
| 16:04.38 | LostInspace | one inside is for an ALI craptacular usb to ide for hdd (which is the thing i need) |
| 16:04.44 | pb__ | the s3c2410 has one dedicated host port, and a second one that can be either host or device. |
| 16:05.06 | LostInspace | 2 are outside...one to plug in usb sticks and another to connect the inside usb to a pc as a usb storage device |
| 16:05.38 | pb__ | can you post the dmesg output that you get from the 2.4 kernel? that might give some clues. |
| 16:05.51 | pb__ | otherwise, it's possible that there is some external circuitry to control the usb routing which is controlled through gpios or the like. |
| 16:06.00 | LostInspace | very possible |
| 16:06.03 | pb__ | if that's the case, you will need to reverse-engineer the right bits from the 2.4 source and port them to 2.6 |
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| 16:06.24 | LostInspace | ouchhhhh all i have is the dump from nand (at the time I hadn't figured ou the JTAG port pin out) |
| 16:06.29 | pb__ | if the ALi thing can be connected to either the s3c2410 or the external port, there must be a multiplexer of some kind of that. |
| 16:06.47 | LostInspace | being a BGA proc and having no xray machine and this board being a tad weird was kinda hard to find the jtag-port hehehe |
| 16:06.55 | LostInspace | hum interesting |
| 16:06.56 | pb__ | (unless they use the s3c2410 device port to interface to the PC, and run the cpu as a kind of mass storage proxy.) |
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| 16:07.10 | pb__ | ah, no kernel sources? |
| 16:07.13 | LostInspace | nope =( |
| 16:07.18 | pb__ | you could try getting the gpl vigilantes on their case |
| 16:07.28 | LostInspace | hahaha the companie is mostly dead on that end |
| 16:07.40 | LostInspace | let me see 2 sec |
| 16:08.27 | LostInspace | oh me |
| 16:08.38 | LostInspace | could the usb-ohci be located at a different address?!?!?!? |
| 16:08.56 | pb__ | unlikely, it's an onchip peripheral. |
| 16:09.05 | LostInspace | weird |
| 16:09.09 | pb__ | the address is basically fixed by the silicon. |
| 16:09.20 | LostInspace | cause previous kernel bootup logs (once i soldered serial cable) |
| 16:09.22 | LostInspace | usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xe9000000, IRQ 26 |
| 16:09.49 | pb__ | oh, that's a kernel virtual address. nothing to do with the real address. |
| 16:09.59 | LostInspace | but irq 26 |
| 16:10.38 | LostInspace | where as the 2.6.21 see it |
| 16:10.39 | LostInspace | as |
| 16:10.40 | pb__ | that probably just means that the irq numbering is done differently in the two kernels |
| 16:10.46 | LostInspace | kk |
| 16:10.55 | pb__ | irq numbers are pretty much arbitrary, you can map them onto the hardware anyway you like |
| 16:11.14 | LostInspace | yeah that I know for pcs |
| 16:11.25 | LostInspace | wasn't to sure about embedded devices tho |
| 16:11.34 | pb__ | again, the irq routing for the ohci is all done inside the cpu, there isn't really any scope to change it. I would expect that the kernel is getting it right. |
| 16:11.42 | LostInspace | as for this thing I was unable to compile u-boot and get it working...so it still has suctacular vivi |
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| 16:11.53 | mmu_man | [Qemu-devel] Add Siemens SX1 Machine support |
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| 16:12.41 | LostInspace | http://pastebin.com/m20731a00 <-- this is what i get with a 2.6.21 kernel |
| 16:13.01 | igor321 | hey anyone tried the python efl bindings? |
| 16:13.07 | pb__ | meeting now |
| 16:13.08 | pb__ | bbl |
| 16:13.11 | igor321 | i can't seem to install 'em on ubuntu |
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| 16:52.46 | Dave | jonkristian :o |
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| 16:54.28 | jonkristian | Dave: :) |
| 16:54.31 | jonkristian | What's cooking? |
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| 16:54.51 | Dave | gsm |
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| 16:55.18 | jonkristian | flashing? |
| 16:55.55 | Dave | been there; done that |
| 16:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | und? |
| 16:57.09 | yamitenshi | hiya, I was trying to download FSO milestone 4 from downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4, but all I saw was a uImage, so no rootfs file. Does anybody here know where I can find it? I checked if it was there for the other milestones, but I got nothing... =\ |
| 16:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | gsm weldone, or medium still? ;-) |
| 16:57.12 | jonkristian | Looks dangerous |
| 16:57.21 | Dave | Yami! |
| 16:57.26 | Dave | Look on another site |
| 16:57.48 | Dave | I believe they were all removed for "sanitation reasons" (same old mp3 bullshit) |
| 16:57.59 | jonkristian | Who uses mp3 crap anyways |
| 16:58.22 | yamitenshi | most of the world actually :P |
| 16:58.34 | Dave | :D |
| 16:58.44 | jonkristian | Yeah, too bad for them, hehehe |
| 16:59.06 | Dave | :| |
| 16:59.12 | Dave | Yeah, it's actually rather shitty. |
| 16:59.15 | jonkristian | Dave: o_O |
| 16:59.21 | jonkristian | I need f00d |
| 16:59.24 | jonkristian | later |
| 16:59.31 | jonkristian | and dexter:D |
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| 16:59.52 | Dave | :o |
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| 17:00.41 | yamitenshi | meh, the wiki directs me to downloads.openmoko.org =\ |
| 17:00.54 | yamitenshi | Dave, do you know where I should look for the rootfs image? |
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| 17:01.45 | alephnull | yamitenshi: downloads.freesmartphone.org |
| 17:02.09 | yamitenshi | meh, should've been able to come up with that myself, thanks :) |
| 17:03.30 | Dave | :D |
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| 17:23.25 | pooze | do I need to subscribe to send mail to the mailing lists? |
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| 17:26.59 | fursund | anyone tried the new android rootfs? |
| 17:27.45 | fursund | should I use a new partition layout/kernel with it? |
| 17:28.35 | mokolade | the new androuid rootfs is unstable and broken |
| 17:28.42 | Dave | :D |
| 17:28.55 | mokolade | at least on my gta02v06 |
| 17:28.58 | pooze | nobody knows how to send mails to the mailinglists? |
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| 17:30.29 | fursund | mokolade the one from today? |
| 17:30.37 | mokolade | m-m |
| 17:31.11 | lindi- | pooze: yes you need to subscribe |
| 17:31.23 | pooze | lindi-: damn... :( |
| 17:31.38 | pooze | lindi-: thanks anyway.. I'll just have to unsubscribe again after sending the mail then. |
| 17:32.34 | fursund | hmm...anyone know where to get the old version then? I did not make a backup, assumed it was working :) |
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| 17:39.53 | Zorkman | pooze: you can ask them not to send you mails |
| 17:40.00 | Zorkman | you can configure it |
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| 17:41.10 | yamitenshi | fursund: on the wiki, there's one image IIRC. Worked for me, but there's no on-screen keyboard, so it's nearly unusable |
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| 17:41.20 | pooze | Zorkman: ah, ok... thanks. :) |
| 17:41.32 | yamitenshi | fursund: the openmoko wiki, that is :P |
| 17:42.22 | Dave | :P |
| 17:43.11 | toggles_w | Dave: !! |
| 17:43.18 | Dave | runs |
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| 17:44.57 | Zorkman | doctor goggles, what news do you bring from your far away country? |
| 17:45.35 | Zorkman | aha, now i get it |
| 17:45.53 | Zorkman | toggles_w likes jumping out of airplanes, so that's why he bought the FR, for the danger-factor :) |
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| 17:51.49 | Wonka | linux-2.6/arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/pm.c:158: undefined reference to `printascii' |
| 17:51.53 | Wonka | hrmf |
| 17:52.30 | Wonka | O.o |
| 17:52.38 | yamitenshi | Wonka: is the library linked in correctly? |
| 17:52.39 | Wonka | it's a debugging function. |
| 17:52.41 | Dave | printassy |
| 17:52.46 | yamitenshi | :P |
| 17:52.52 | Wonka | yamitenshi: library? in a kernel? |
| 17:53.01 | Dave | What the fuck is going on here!? |
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| 17:53.16 | yamitenshi | Dave: what'd you expect? printansi? :P |
| 17:53.26 | Dave | har |
| 17:53.45 | Wonka | print my ass! *comment out* |
| 17:53.59 | yamitenshi | Wonka: IIRC, the modules used in kernels are .so files, so basically shared libraries, right? that would mean they have to be in some way linked, be it compile-time or runtime |
| 17:54.19 | yamitenshi | if there's any flaw in my logic, please say so, I'm not exactly an expert on this stuff :P |
| 17:54.27 | Wonka | yamitenshi: this one fails to be linked in because there is no known function printascii() |
| 17:54.50 | Wonka | hrm... |
| 17:54.51 | Wonka | ./arch/arm/Kconfig.debug: Say Y here to include definitions of printascii, printch, printhex |
| 17:54.52 | yamitenshi | version mismatch? |
| 17:54.56 | yamitenshi | ah |
| 17:55.06 | Dave | stupid user |
| 17:55.51 | Wonka | orther occurrences are wrapped in |
| 17:55.52 | Wonka | orther occurrences are wrapped in #ifdef CONFIG_DEBUG_LL |
| 17:55.53 | toggles_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.16 | Dave | Abort! Abort! |
| 17:56.29 | toggles_w | :!rm Dave |
| 17:56.36 | Dave | :( |
| 17:56.46 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 17:56.47 | Dave | unlink toggles |
| 17:57.16 | toggles_w | wonders why his leg just seperated from the rest of him |
| 17:57.31 | Dave | haw :p |
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| 17:59.28 | toggles_w | Zorkman: I bought it because RMS said i had too or he'd send the ninjas |
| 18:02.07 | Dave | Tanuva |
| 18:02.34 | Zorkman | lol :)à |
| 18:02.43 | Zorkman | lpotter; you here? |
| 18:03.25 | fursund | yamitenshi: I think the one on the wiki links to the new one on sean mcneils place, which won't run (the newest one from today) |
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| 18:04.16 | yamitenshi | fursund: do you have your SD card formatted properly? |
| 18:04.32 | yamitenshi | it won't boot without it being present and formatted in the right way |
| 18:05.32 | mokel | anyone know how to disable the first dim of the screen of the fso image? |
| 18:05.34 | fursund | yamitenshi: well that depends if it has changed with the new version of android.rootfs, my partition layout worked well with the old version (10. November) |
| 18:06.04 | yamitenshi | mmm... it should tell you exactly what you need on the wiki |
| 18:06.20 | yamitenshi | if that all checks out, I think it's an issue with the image |
| 18:06.37 | yamitenshi | I think I have the old one somewhere on my desktop PC, but I can't reach that one right now |
| 18:06.56 | yamitenshi | but I guess I could upload it tomorrow, if that helps |
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| 18:08.04 | mokolade | I have the old Android image, I can upload if someone have a server for it? |
| 18:08.58 | fursund | yeah that would be nice... this is the place where the android files on the wiki point to... http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ today the android.jjfs2 file has been changed... |
| 18:09.31 | yamitenshi | mokolade: rapidshare has free filehosting, I could give you my password for my account on dazjorz.com, but for obvious reasons, I'm not gonna do that :P |
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| 18:11.23 | fursund | let's just hope that sean mcneil uploads a kernel which works with the new version or rootfs is updated to work with the old version |
| 18:14.38 | mokolade | I'm uploading the old one to rapidshare... |
| 18:14.57 | fursund | mokolade: nice... thanks |
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| 18:17.12 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 18:17.25 | Dave | mokolade - omg warez!!!!1111 |
| 18:17.37 | mokolade | :P |
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| 18:19.28 | Dave | next thing you know, downloads.openmoko.org will be hosted in russia :) |
| 18:19.39 | yamitenshi | noo! O_o |
| 18:19.41 | yamitenshi | never! |
| 18:19.43 | Dave | YES! |
| 18:19.50 | cjb_ie | why not china? :-) |
| 18:19.56 | Dave | Hah! Good point :) |
| 18:20.03 | Dave | We're close enough, anyway :p |
| 18:20.16 | mokolade | fursund, http://rapidshare.com/files/164723347/androidfs-20081110.jffs2.html ;) |
| 18:21.38 | Dave | what's next? moko images on p2p? :P |
| 18:21.40 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 18:22.03 | Dave | omgwtfbittorrent |
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| 18:22.21 | Dave | norsk! |
| 18:22.31 | spydon | Svensk! |
| 18:22.45 | Dave | No! |
| 18:23.00 | spydon | Yes! |
| 18:23.10 | jonkristian | Maybe! |
| 18:23.15 | yamitenshi | Nihongo! |
| 18:23.19 | Dave | ja ja |
| 18:23.31 | yamitenshi | bah, lack of anty -_- |
| 18:23.43 | yamitenshi | anthy* |
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| 18:24.26 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 18:24.35 | Dave | slaps yamitenshi around a bit with a large apt |
| 18:24.46 | yamitenshi | lolwut |
| 18:25.23 | Dave | stabs yami |
| 18:25.29 | yamitenshi | O_O |
| 18:25.34 | XorA | collapses in laughter at gothette dancing to gummi bears theme |
| 18:25.56 | yamitenshi | drops dead, and resurrects as YamiTenshi the FreeRunner-eating zombie |
| 18:25.57 | Dave | cuts off Xora's nitros supply |
| 18:26.10 | XorA | I dont need nitrous with youtube around |
| 18:26.18 | Dave | heh :p |
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| 18:26.50 | yamitenshi | 1,2,3-propanetriol anyone? :) |
| 18:27.00 | Dave | Pass. |
| 18:27.14 | yamitenshi | a bit of 1,3,7-trimethylxanthine then? :) |
| 18:27.21 | ajuonline | o.O |
| 18:27.27 | Dave | NEEDZ MOAR BENZENE! |
| 18:27.48 | yamitenshi | NOEZ! O_O |
| 18:28.18 | Dave | C TO THE O TO THE H 3 |
| 18:28.20 | Dave | huhu |
| 18:28.23 | ajuonline | looks at what channel is he in |
| 18:28.34 | Dave | haha, yes :p |
| 18:28.47 | XorA | Dave: your half way to a techno song there |
| 18:28.56 | ajuonline | #openmokemistry ? |
| 18:28.59 | fursund | yamitenshi: thanks |
| 18:29.01 | yamitenshi | lol |
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| 18:29.02 | Dave | Hah, sweet :) |
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| 18:29.15 | Dave | Joerg, Welcome to today's insanity! \o/ |
| 18:29.59 | yamitenshi | today, we will be handling FreeRunnerane, or NEO-CH2-CH2-CH2-CH2-FR |
| 18:30.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | duh, goodnight! |
| 18:30.11 | Dave | :] |
| 18:30.28 | fursund | oh sorry mokolade, thanks |
| 18:30.44 | mokolade | np ;) |
| 18:30.53 | Dave | Needz moar Freon |
| 18:31.00 | Dave | installs tubez in his freerunner |
| 18:31.16 | yamitenshi | checks up on dfu-util |
| 18:31.29 | yamitenshi | no errors so far :) |
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| 18:31.43 | Dave | flashing kernelz? |
| 18:31.55 | XorA | youtube is not good for sanity |
| 18:32.04 | yamitenshi | nope, kernelz has been flashed already, currently working on the rootfz :P |
| 18:32.05 | Dave | Most assuredly. |
| 18:32.14 | Dave | Yami, yes. |
| 18:32.38 | Dave | watches Xora's sanity plumet like the outdoor thermometer. |
| 18:32.40 | yamitenshi | youtube is better for sanity than ethanol :) |
| 18:32.49 | Dave | Yami, I disagree. |
| 18:32.53 | XorA | anyway Im insane enough Im off |
| 18:32.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | yamitenshi: nno errors? try -D, no error for looong time :-D |
| 18:33.14 | yamitenshi | okay, ethanol is good for sanity |
| 18:33.16 | Dave | EvilDocScrutinizer |
| 18:33.48 | yamitenshi | DocScrutinizer2: no use trying to flash without -D, right? :P |
| 18:34.05 | Dave | flash it like it's hot |
| 18:34.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | might use -U? |
| 18:34.25 | Dave | What are you people talking about? |
| 18:34.37 | yamitenshi | that would be making a backup, and IIRC that's broken at the moment (though I think it just gives an error because it runs into the end of the FS) |
| 18:34.44 | yamitenshi | Dave: dfu-util :P |
| 18:34.52 | Dave | Apparently not! |
| 18:35.19 | yamitenshi | okay, you caught me, actually I was talking about making out with my neo |
| 18:35.54 | yamitenshi | needz moar lubricants! |
| 18:36.12 | yamitenshi | says goodbye to his sanity |
| 18:36.13 | cjb_ie | clearly you're not turning it on enough. |
| 18:36.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | eeeek, nonsense mass-conference in 7h :-/ |
| 18:36.30 | cjb_ie | (or you're turning it on too much and its battery is running out) |
| 18:36.35 | yamitenshi | lol |
| 18:36.40 | cjb_ie | needz moar electrons! |
| 18:36.57 | yamitenshi | cjb_ie: it's still at the NOR u-boot screen, maybe I should boot it first? :P |
| 18:37.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | cjb: guy, got lots of them in each of Ur atoms |
| 18:37.52 | Dave | :P |
| 18:38.08 | yamitenshi | needz moar ions! Q_Q |
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| 19:16.55 | kristianpaul | how long is the bateery like of the neo free runner? |
| 19:17.03 | kristianpaul | life* |
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| 19:17.42 | emacsen | kristianpaul, that's hard to answer |
| 19:17.57 | emacsen | kristianpaul, the issue is in SW, not HW |
| 19:18.09 | kristianpaul | like a normal phone |
| 19:18.18 | kristianpaul | brow max 2 hr on web |
| 19:18.26 | kristianpaul | talk 1 hr per day |
| 19:18.38 | emacsen | right now, the phone can't do more than 24 hours, period |
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| 19:18.58 | kristianpaul | i see |
| 19:19.47 | slaxxin | shr has good battery life |
| 19:19.52 | kristianpaul | when we can see a user end realease? |
| 19:20.08 | kristianpaul | a free runner for folks |
| 19:20.12 | slaxxin | next year maybe |
| 19:20.19 | gurugentoo | the suspend on FSO4 is strangely sporadic, it only seems to work after the screen dim/blank has happened the first time |
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| 19:21.06 | slaxxin | used shr a couple days |
| 19:21.27 | slaxxin | phone works sometimes like all the rest |
| 19:21.47 | kristianpaul | i want and openmoko |
| 19:21.56 | slaxxin | debian is working better for me |
| 19:21.58 | kristianpaul | but the lack is the radio, camera and edge |
| 19:22.08 | kristianpaul | debian with gnome? |
| 19:22.15 | lindi- | i use debian with icewm here |
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| 19:22.20 | slaxxin | i used vagalume today it was cool |
| 19:22.30 | gurugentoo | slaxxin: fso4 works fine phone-wise for me, there are just some strange little issues |
| 19:22.31 | lindi- | minimal but proven to work and has everything i need |
| 19:22.38 | kristianpaul | the lasted gnome version said is designed to mobile too |
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| 19:22.53 | slaxxin | it downloaded an played for 10 songs then i dissconnected |
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| 19:24.01 | slaxxin | set stuff an it dont stay? |
| 19:24.58 | slaxxin | lindi screenshot? |
| 19:25.14 | yoyo | hi. can someone help my with numptyphysics. I have little problem :/ |
| 19:25.41 | henk | any experience with running fvwm on the freerunner? |
| 19:26.13 | slaxxin | yoyo wont start? |
| 19:26.46 | yoyo | slaxxin: yes. I get error "*** CAUGHT: image not found" |
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| 19:27.48 | lindi- | slaxxin: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/screenshot1.png |
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| 19:27.58 | yoyo | slaxxin: I'w look in to source code. why it popup but I can't trace what image whas not fond |
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| 19:36.05 | daMaestro | anyone have sms working with the 2008.9 image (+updates) |
| 19:36.22 | daMaestro | i got an sms from my carrier, but i can't send nor receive any that i compose |
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| 19:38.40 | yoyo | help: pleas |
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| 19:40.20 | rooly | anyone know if the android image makes phone calls? |
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| 19:49.45 | dolf1074 | rooly, I have already called to someone else |
| 19:49.52 | dolf1074 | (with the android) |
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| 19:53.55 | rooly | cool |
| 20:01.57 | yoyo | numptyphysics diffrent error "numptyphysics: Box2D/Source/Dynamics/b2World.cpp:118: void b2World::DestroyBody(b2Body*): Assertion `(m_bodyCount > 0)' failed. :.(" |
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| 20:13.42 | Dave | :) |
| 20:13.53 | rooly | okay now |
| 20:13.55 | rooly | flashing android |
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| 20:14.00 | rooly | lets see how this turns out |
| 20:14.04 | rooly | (also gonna flash qi) |
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| 20:21.57 | rooly | okay...well...qi doesn't boot |
| 20:22.10 | henk | where can i get imlib2 and libconfig for om2008.9? |
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| 20:26.25 | poetic | anything to try when fdisk /dev/mmcbld0 segfaults (current SHR)? |
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| 20:28.06 | Dave | Fxchip! |
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| 20:30.04 | FxChiP | hello Dave |
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| 20:31.02 | Dave | Greetings :) |
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| 20:33.44 | rooly | so yeah |
| 20:33.47 | rooly | android does not boot |
| 20:34.27 | Dave | yep |
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| 20:37.09 | lpotter | is that a surprise? |
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| 20:45.14 | rooly | okay, that was the problem |
| 20:45.36 | rooly | the second usd partition had the wrong fs |
| 20:47.37 | rooly | nvm, still won't boot |
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| 21:08.33 | Deubeuliou | does anyone know an IDE for arm assembly under GNU/Linux ? (or just an arm emulator, with memory( and registers) viewer/editor) |
| 21:09.08 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: just use emacs and gdb? |
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| 21:09.51 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: i used emacs + gdb + softgun emulator when i needed to add custom hardware and qemu sounded too complex. nowadays i'd probably go with qemu since it is more tested |
| 21:09.58 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4796 10/developers/werner/ (ahrt/target/wkalrm/ wkalrm/): Move wkalrm to a place where it's easier to find. |
| 21:09.59 | Deubeuliou | no, it's not for developping, it's for training. I need, for instance, a step-by-step debogger |
| 21:10.24 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: gdb and single step |
| 21:10.28 | lindi- | s/and/can/ |
| 21:10.35 | Deubeuliou | where I can see the content of the registers all the time, and so on |
| 21:10.43 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: you can do that with TUI of gdb |
| 21:11.29 | Deubeuliou | ah, TUI looks good |
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| 21:15.58 | LostInspace | pb_, ping! |
| 21:17.21 | pb_ | hi |
| 21:17.42 | LostInspace | pb_, quick question |
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| 21:18.10 | LostInspace | pb_, what you said made a lot of sense before but how would one go about finding the General Purpose I/O that would be responsible for this |
| 21:19.51 | LostInspace | pb_, for example to find the jtag pinout on the s3c2410 board that came with this GPS I looked for the pull up resistors (10k) when I found the right amount I started tracing to see if i could follow the vias they went to |
| 21:20.01 | LostInspace | is there a way to proceed for my issue? |
| 21:20.03 | pb_ | LostInspace: if you don't have sources for the original 2.4 kernel, and you don't have board schematics, sadly the answer is "with difficulty". |
| 21:20.10 | pb_ | two ways come to mind: |
| 21:20.36 | pb_ | (a) try to trace the usb signals and see what circuitry they go to, then identify the control lines for that circuit and try to trace it back to cpu pins |
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| 21:20.51 | LostInspace | pb_, being a bga that's another fun task but ok |
| 21:20.58 | LostInspace | pb_, quick question before going any further tho |
| 21:21.10 | pb_ | (b) flash the original 2.4 kernel back onto the board temporarily, capture a dump of all the gpio registers, then try to make your 2.6 kernel set them the same way |
| 21:21.11 | LostInspace | simply checking for 5volt on the usb port would reveal this or not? |
| 21:21.26 | LostInspace | pb_, no need to flash vivi can boot from ram =) |
| 21:21.31 | pb_ | ah, very good |
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| 21:21.47 | LostInspace | mind you to find out the gpio i'd have to load an initrd |
| 21:21.55 | LostInspace | to see in /proc for the 2.4.x kernel exact? |
| 21:22.06 | LostInspace | since as of now still no root device fully functional =) |
| 21:22.08 | pb_ | if you have jtag, you should be able to dump the gpio register contents directly |
| 21:22.19 | LostInspace | pb_, I have a poor mans jtag! |
| 21:22.24 | LostInspace | pb_, openocd? |
| 21:22.32 | pb_ | yes, tracing signals on bgas is a pain. you have my sympathy. |
| 21:22.53 | LostInspace | was enought of pain for the jtag lol |
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| 21:23.00 | LostInspace | i wrote vivi bonfs nifo ...instead of info |
| 21:23.03 | pb_ | when I was working on ipaq reverse engineering, I remember some guy trying to triangulate ball locations by threading very fine wires underneath the chip. |
| 21:23.07 | LostInspace | and it freaking erase my whole flash... |
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| 21:23.16 | pb_ | he had some amount of success but I don't think he was ever able to do it 100% reliably. |
| 21:23.31 | LostInspace | i find x-ray seems to be one of the best methods |
| 21:23.36 | LostInspace | but even then it's a pain |
| 21:24.08 | pb_ | yes, x-ray is good if you have the equipment and you know how to use it. |
| 21:24.15 | LostInspace | that's the issue |
| 21:24.25 | LostInspace | only xray equipement I have access to is XRF |
| 21:24.29 | LostInspace | that's not gonna help me lol |
| 21:24.53 | LostInspace | pb_, so other then with the jtag does a dump of the gpio hand out somewhere in /proc?? |
| 21:25.02 | LostInspace | or has to be in ram? |
| 21:25.13 | pb_ | personally I am always a bit baffled when I stand in front of a pcb x-ray station. it's kind of like watching a medical ultrasound, I can see the images but I have no idea how to work the controls in order to make them for myself :-} |
| 21:25.33 | pb_ | LostInspace: I don't think there is a jtag dump in /proc |
| 21:25.40 | LostInspace | pb_, that's not what i meant =) |
| 21:25.47 | LostInspace | pb_, alot of stuff in ram is dumped in files in /proc |
| 21:25.56 | pb_ | er, sorry, a gpio dump in /proc |
| 21:26.04 | LostInspace | ahh kk |
| 21:26.05 | LostInspace | dang |
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| 21:26.12 | pb_ | you can read the gpio data from /proc/mem, obviously, but I don't think there is a specific file for it |
| 21:27.06 | LostInspace | hum you think there will be a /proc/mem ?? |
| 21:27.13 | pb_ | the easiest thing might be to make a little custom initrd, with a linuxrc that just runs a pile of devmem2 commands. |
| 21:27.25 | pb_ | yeah, /proc/mem is standard fitment. it just maps the whole of physical address space. |
| 21:27.36 | LostInspace | for 2.4.x kernels? |
| 21:27.38 | pb_ | so, if you seek to address 0x56000000 or whatever, you have access to the gpio registers. |
| 21:27.41 | LostInspace | not 2.6.x kernels afaik? |
| 21:27.47 | LostInspace | interesting info |
| 21:27.51 | pb_ | yah, /proc/mem is in all kernels |
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| 21:27.55 | pb_ | it's been there forever |
| 21:28.04 | LostInspace | errr |
| 21:28.13 | LostInspace | on my desktop right now i don't see no /proc/mem |
| 21:28.22 | pb_ | oh wait, sorry, I mean /dev/mem |
| 21:28.28 | LostInspace | ah that makes sense =) |
| 21:28.29 | pb_ | there isn't a /proc file for that |
| 21:28.57 | pb_ | the closest is /proc/kcore, but that's a bit different |
| 21:29.16 | LostInspace | kernelcore |
| 21:29.18 | LostInspace | yeah |
| 21:29.19 | rooly | anybody else been having trouble with headphones? |
| 21:29.38 | LostInspace | pb_, quick question tho |
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| 21:30.18 | LostInspace | pb_, saying it's a gpio issue....the gpio would be see to say output 3.3v and that would turn on say something else giving 5volts to the usb ports yes no? |
| 21:30.24 | LostInspace | pb_, or am I seeing this all wrong |
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| 21:30.36 | LostInspace | err giving 3.3volts to something not 5 lol |
| 21:32.14 | LostInspace | pb_, what i'm trying to say and just realised my sentence made no sense is |
| 21:32.54 | LostInspace | pb_, says a gpio was set to control the usb function it would turn something on like a light switch yes? |
| 21:33.33 | pb_ | right |
| 21:34.12 | LostInspace | ok so would it say control the 5volt output of the usb ports? |
| 21:34.34 | LostInspace | like the gpio trips a relay/opto isolator/whateever that then feeds 5volt to usb ports?!?! |
| 21:34.45 | LostInspace | I wish I could make the usbcore and s3c2410 more verbose |
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| 21:35.07 | q0b | is there a way to prevent the screen blanking on fso ms4? i switched it off via settings but it still blanks the screen... |
| 21:35.11 | pb_ | the +5V probably isn't the important thing here, but yes. |
| 21:35.22 | LostInspace | pb_, ok good to know |
| 21:35.24 | pb_ | (probably just a transistor, not a relay or opto-isolator, but still) |
| 21:35.36 | LostInspace | pb_, http://pastebin.com/m20731a00 <-- this is what concerns me |
| 21:35.38 | quatrox | LostInspace: a GPIO is only a signal. When it goes high or low, depending on pullup or sourcing, it will enable a switch. Usually the GPIO would go low to activate 5V |
| 21:35.47 | LostInspace | pb_, probably indeed =) |
| 21:36.09 | LostInspace | quatrox, yes i know it's only used as a switch...and I do understand since everybody these days use pull-ups the default state would be high =) |
| 21:36.15 | LostInspace | quatrox, but thanks for the heads up =) |
| 21:36.37 | LostInspace | I just wanna make sure i fully understand what pb_ is telling me so i'm trying to use common examples =) |
| 21:36.49 | quatrox | ok:) |
| 21:37.06 | LostInspace | quatrox, but very nice of you to try and help feel free anytime any little bit of info is greatly appreciated |
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| 21:37.24 | LostInspace | i'm just saying it so you guys know i'm not a total idiot...just half of one =) |
| 21:37.33 | LostInspace | pb_, ok the issue that concerns me is this |
| 21:37.42 | LostInspace | http://pastebin.com/m20731a00 <-- if you look there |
| 21:37.58 | pb_ | right |
| 21:38.02 | LostInspace | 2 device descriptor reads then switches to trying to assign irq |
| 21:38.12 | LostInspace | does that mean after the 2nd try it actualy read a device descriptor? |
| 21:38.25 | LostInspace | or just timedout and tried to assign an IRQ to nothing? |
| 21:38.36 | pb_ | er, where do you see it assigning an irq? |
| 21:38.46 | LostInspace | err not irq but address |
| 21:38.47 | LostInspace | my bad |
| 21:38.59 | LostInspace | device not accepting address 4, error -62 |
| 21:39.06 | pb_ | ah right, yeah |
| 21:39.09 | LostInspace | those that mean is was able to read the device descriptor |
| 21:39.20 | LostInspace | or did it just timeout and skip to the next task in it's todo list? |
| 21:39.30 | pb_ | no, those mean it failed before even trying to read the device descriptor |
| 21:39.35 | LostInspace | or is there just a variable I should turn on to make the dang thing more verbose |
| 21:39.59 | pb_ | my memory of the usb flow is a bit hazy, but I think address assignment happens in the first phase of enumeration, before anything else is done. |
| 21:40.11 | LostInspace | pb_, ok but doesn't it need to get the device descriptor to assign it an address? |
| 21:40.15 | LostInspace | ok nvm that answer my question lol |
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| 21:40.36 | pb_ | so, once the host establishes that there is something on the port (by looking for the right voltage on D+ or D-) it gives the new device an address, then tries to retrieve the descriptor to find out what it is. |
| 21:40.49 | LostInspace | ok |
| 21:41.04 | LostInspace | so buy failing to give it an address something else is wrong before it even talked to the device |
| 21:41.12 | LostInspace | thus being something related to the controller itself |
| 21:41.30 | LostInspace | or the hub or whatever a GPIO turns on? |
| 21:41.31 | pb_ | or the connection between the controller and the device, yeah |
| 21:41.35 | LostInspace | kk |
| 21:41.58 | LostInspace | now here comes my next question (sorry to have so many but you seem to be an astounding information source) |
| 21:42.13 | Kensan | pb_: could a bad usb-connector cause such errors? |
| 21:42.14 | pb_ | the test for "is there anything plugged in" is pretty simplistic, it's easy for it to get that wrong if the hardware is not quite configured right. |
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| 21:42.24 | LostInspace | http://pastebin.com/m78993709 <-- this is a boot taken from an openmoko |
| 21:42.26 | pb_ | Kensan: yes, but I think LostInspace's system is all on one pcb, no connectors |
| 21:42.53 | LostInspace | pb_, actually there is a ribbon cable from the hd to pcb...which I have to boot the device without it connected |
| 21:42.57 | Kensan | pb_: yeah I was just wondering, since I was seeing similar error messages when connecting the FR to my notebook. Sorry to interrupt :) |
| 21:43.08 | LostInspace | and if my memory serves me right same error occurs |
| 21:43.24 | LostInspace | no interruption happened |
| 21:43.29 | LostInspace | it was a very valid point |
| 21:43.43 | LostInspace | and something I looked into and still haven't fully ruled out but kinda skeptical about it |
| 21:43.59 | LostInspace | since this is for the IDE to ALI chip...and the ALI to usb is soldered on the board |
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| 21:44.23 | pb_ | right, connection problems on the IDE side of the ALi couldn't cause that kind of problem |
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| 21:44.28 | LostInspace | mind you maybe the ALI chip reacts very funny when it doesn't detect a hard drive and maybe this causes an error (but I have plugged/unplugged the ribbon cable many times) |
| 21:44.44 | LostInspace | but i doubt it but not ruling it out 100% |
| 21:44.48 | LostInspace | keeping it on the sideline hehehe |
| 21:44.55 | LostInspace | cause sometimes its what you thing ain't possible that is lol |
| 21:45.01 | pb_ | yeah, I guess you're right, it's possible the ALi is getting upset, but it doesn't seem likely. |
| 21:45.16 | LostInspace | pb_, so were on the same page on that one good so i'm not totaly crazy |
| 21:45.17 | LostInspace | ok |
| 21:45.22 | LostInspace | http://pastebin.com/m78993709 |
| 21:45.24 | LostInspace | here on this page |
| 21:45.27 | LostInspace | after detecting the 2 port hub |
| 21:45.39 | LostInspace | it redetects an s3c24xx-ohci |
| 21:45.56 | LostInspace | is this a part of the UDC??? or should this be seen by the kernel no matter what is on? |
| 21:46.42 | LostInspace | err no udc but gadget peripheral |
| 21:47.09 | lindi- | what are you trying to do? |
| 21:47.16 | pb_ | that does look like it's part of the gadget device stuff. let me have a look at the code for a moment. |
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| 21:47.32 | LostInspace | pb_, kk I think it's gadget related as well but not 2 sure =) |
| 21:47.57 | LostInspace | lindi-, something that so far seems very much of a headach |
| 21:48.09 | lindi- | LostInspace: but what is it? you hit a bug? |
| 21:48.12 | LostInspace | pb_, and many others have been very helpfull lending their brains and tossing many ideas for me to try |
| 21:48.28 | lindi- | i see a long discussion and i am wondering if i should read it or not :) |
| 21:48.36 | LostInspace | lindi-, actualy I'm reverse engineering a craptacular gps to try and give the community a nice open source solution |
| 21:48.43 | lindi- | LostInspace: ok |
| 21:48.49 | lindi- | LostInspace: some other gps chip? |
| 21:49.02 | LostInspace | http://hacvision.wickedretarded.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page <-- for those of you wondering |
| 21:49.22 | LostInspace | anything tagged coolbreaze is me =) |
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| 21:49.27 | pb_ | LostInspace: actually no, I think that's the root hub information being (somewhat belatedly) reported. |
| 21:49.34 | pb_ | seems to be nothing to do with UDC |
| 21:49.38 | LostInspace | pb_, hum interesting |
| 21:49.48 | LostInspace | pb_, then I should technically see this no? |
| 21:50.12 | LostInspace | maybe I should look into making the damn thing verbose to see more of the info that's going on |
| 21:50.13 | pb_ | I would have thought so, but the kernel might have changed its verbosity at some point. |
| 21:50.22 | LostInspace | that's what i fear |
| 21:50.34 | pb_ | it's possible that those messages used to be output by default and aren't any more, or some such |
| 21:50.39 | LostInspace | i'll check threw source later on maybe there is a variable to change |
| 21:50.54 | LostInspace | actualy those are taken from a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 21:51.06 | LostInspace | so technicaly they shouldn't be disabled |
| 21:51.11 | pb_ | oh, right |
| 21:51.18 | LostInspace | sorry forgot to mention that |
| 21:51.19 | LostInspace | my bad |
| 21:51.22 | LostInspace | slaps himself |
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| 21:51.28 | pb_ | so, that's the same kernel version on freerunner versus your platform? |
| 21:51.34 | LostInspace | my original 2.4 kernel that came with the device said nothing of that nature |
| 21:51.52 | LostInspace | i'm starting to think I should try one of openmokos kernel just to see what happens |
| 21:51.59 | pb_ | yeah, not a bad idea |
| 21:52.05 | LostInspace | which one would u recommend? |
| 21:52.33 | pb_ | it probably doesn't make much difference. I don't think Om is changing much/any of the core s3c24xx code right now. |
| 21:53.02 | pb_ | obviously, anything gta01/02 specific isn't going to have any effect on your board. |
| 21:53.14 | Kensan | LostInspace: there's USB_DEBUG I believe. |
| 21:53.51 | LostInspace | it's on unfortunetly |
| 21:53.57 | LostInspace | and doesn't add much of anything lol |
| 21:54.09 | Kensan | hm too bad |
| 21:54.11 | LostInspace | pb_, kk only one issue |
| 21:54.18 | LostInspace | pb_, aren't the precompiled images for uboot? |
| 21:54.29 | LostInspace | Kensan, yeah =( |
| 21:54.48 | LostInspace | so far out of this whole embedded experience (i did some microchip pic asm before) there is only one down side to this |
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| 21:54.58 | pb_ | LostInspace: ah, yeah, they are. that would be a pain. |
| 21:55.03 | LostInspace | more and more i feel like ditching my lg chocolat and getting a openmoko phone lol |
| 21:55.18 | pb_ | maybe you can sweet-talk someone into giving you a zImage to download :-} |
| 21:55.32 | LostInspace | that would be awesome but dunno who I could sweet talk |
| 21:55.43 | Kensan | try mwester |
| 21:55.44 | Kensan | haha |
| 21:56.16 | LostInspace | well guys you've been awesome |
| 21:56.20 | LostInspace | thanks for all your help |
| 21:56.28 | LostInspace | pb_, thanks for putting up with all my questions |
| 21:56.34 | LostInspace | I unfortunetly have to go =( |
| 21:56.57 | pb_ | LostInspace: well, good luck with your board |
| 21:57.47 | LostInspace | when i get some time I will try some of the things you suggested |
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| 21:58.00 | LostInspace | in the mean time i'll try and find an openmoko zimage |
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| 21:58.45 | LostInspace | little side note before exiting |
| 21:58.59 | LostInspace | you guys are awesome offering so much support! |
| 21:59.01 | LostInspace | thanks again |
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| 22:03.49 | FxChiP | Turning computer off. If I never come back it's because the computer's not going to work again. |
| 22:03.57 | CVirus | lol |
| 22:04.13 | CVirus | FxChiP: happy life |
| 22:04.23 | laen | Good for your social skills! |
| 22:04.23 | laen | :P |
| 22:05.59 | CVirus | true |
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| 22:12.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r1aa147923616 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (channel.py const.py): |
| 22:12.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Increase default timeout to 10 seconds |
| 22:12.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: It seems that especially if the calypso is busy the default timeout of 5 |
| 22:12.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: seconds wasn't enough and timeouts fired quite often with the response |
| 22:12.47 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: arriving shortly after. Increasing the timeout will hopefully only catch |
| 22:12.49 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: real timeouts. |
| 22:12.51 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r4a19453f4b5c 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: Increase SIMAUTH timeout to 15 seconds |
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| 22:14.32 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r08a0cd7fb969 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: |
| 22:14.32 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
| 22:14.32 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: |
| 22:14.32 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py |
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| 22:22.47 | sonic_ | Hey people, I just got an openmoko and can't do anything with it. I'm trying to connect to it using a macbook. Can anyone give me some pointers please? |
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| 22:24.35 | ljp | Zorkman: pong |
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| 22:24.59 | laen | pong rocks! |
| 22:26.38 | dent | anybody said pong? http://www.silfreed.net/download/pong/pong.swf :) |
| 22:27.03 | laen | hugs dent |
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| 22:27.52 | dent | and by the way... I finally managed to get the toolchain at least somehow working |
| 22:28.27 | dent | should I add "my way" (using debian chroot) to the wiki? i.e. anybody finds this useful? |
| 22:28.54 | dent | I've been fighting with it in ubuntu and gentoo... was pulling my hair, but simple debian chroot seems to work :) |
| 22:29.07 | laen | sure thing! |
| 22:29.18 | dent | ok :) |
| 22:29.18 | laen | allways interesting, if not, put a link to your personal page or something |
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| 22:33.12 | sonic_ | Anyone use a mac to communicate with the neo freerunner? |
| 22:33.58 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#MacOS_X |
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| 22:36.26 | quatrox | dent: why do you need chroot? What happens if you try to build it on x86_64? |
| 22:37.11 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 22:37.20 | dent | quatrox: http://linux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~zub/make.log |
| 22:37.31 | dent | I couldnt ^ resolve that |
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| 22:37.53 | dent | in gentoo I ran into different, buit equally frustrating issues |
| 22:38.12 | quatrox | dent: You can download the prebuild toolchain |
| 22:38.25 | dent | btw. the problem is not arch, i.e. I'm not chrooting 64->32, just plain debian seems to work |
| 22:38.29 | sonic_ | thanks kd8ikt |
| 22:38.39 | quatrox | hmm |
| 22:38.49 | dent | quatrox: this is what I get when building the sample app with the prebuild toolchain |
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| 22:39.31 | quatrox | dent: I tried to build SHR, but it always fails: http://pastebin.com/d177009a5 |
| 22:39.39 | dent | (ubuntu, that was 8.4 still I guess) |
| 22:39.46 | Sargun | Is there any way to put my device in host mode USB and charge at the same time |
| 22:40.11 | mmaestri | it's been some time since the last time i've seen this channel. in fact, work and else kept me away from my freerunner. did i missed something? |
| 22:40.57 | dent | quatrox: # |
| 22:41.01 | dent | ERROR: Required build target 'shr-image' has no buildable providers. |
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| 22:41.42 | dent | I think I read on the building shr page some notes about some svn->git or what changes |
| 22:42.06 | dent | I thikn in #openmoko-cdevel there are some shr folks who might be able to help |
| 22:42.22 | quatrox | dent: I tried to ask there |
| 22:42.42 | dent | as for me, OE usually worked for me |
| 22:43.03 | quatrox | this is the problem: ERROR: ... RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'exquisite-theme-illume' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables |
| 22:43.26 | dent | indeed |
| 22:43.28 | quatrox | I think I didn't set up everything correctly |
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| 22:46.27 | mokel | is zhone coming to the front if a call is coming in in fso? |
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| 22:51.26 | gurugentoo | mokel: not here |
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| 22:51.33 | mokel | ok, thanks |
| 22:51.37 | mokel | for me too |
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| 22:53.10 | peppertarts | It isn't for me either. I'm sure you could get oeventd to push it to the front when you receive a call though. |
| 22:53.27 | peppertarts | I set up a rule and try it out. |
| 22:53.47 | peppertarts | I'll * |
| 22:54.36 | sonic_ | Do you need to have a sim card in the neo to connect to it? |
| 22:55.11 | dent | no |
| 22:55.22 | sonic_ | I'm trying to connect to mine with my mac and there's a field for phone number. However, I dont see why I should need it |
| 22:55.27 | kd8ikt | virgin |
| 22:55.36 | sonic_ | I keep getting a connection error |
| 22:56.09 | Sargun | Where can I get a usb power injector? |
| 22:56.10 | dent | sonic_: I wasn't following you, what kind of connection do you mean? usbnet? |
| 22:56.31 | kd8ikt | IMHO get a livelinuxcd or somethin |
| 22:56.51 | sonic_ | dent: I'm trying to connect using the USB on a mac |
| 22:56.57 | dent | aha |
| 22:57.05 | sonic_ | I can't connect any way |
| 22:57.10 | sonic_ | wifi or anything |
| 22:57.15 | kd8ikt | oh dang i got sidtracked i meant to build an unofficial openmoko livecd |
| 22:57.36 | sonic_ | I basically have owned a brick for the last week |
| 22:57.36 | kd8ikt | using debian live scripts |
| 22:57.39 | dent | all I know is that this usbnet thing is some cdc_ether or rndis or what thing; no idea if/how it's supported on mac |
| 22:57.57 | kd8ikt | yeah grab a livecd |
| 22:57.59 | mokel | anyone knows how to disable the screen dimming? not the blanking only the first dim |
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| 22:58.17 | sonic_ | yeah it's the rndis that shows up |
| 22:58.52 | kd8ikt | mokel: what OS? is it fso based? |
| 22:58.58 | mokel | fso |
| 22:59.00 | sonic_ | Surely there should be a way to connect over wifi? |
| 22:59.01 | kd8ikt | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=conf/example/frameworkd.conf |
| 22:59.22 | kd8ikt | /etc/frameworkd.conf is how i did it for mine |
| 22:59.40 | mokel | thanks |
| 22:59.50 | kd8ikt | odeviced.idlenotifier |
| 22:59.57 | kd8ikt | i think |
| 23:00.50 | Pander | jee, both icewm and enlightenment don't have icons sets, at least not ones which are, hmm, how do I put this... contemporary |
| 23:02.09 | raster | ? |
| 23:02.20 | quatrox | dent: what did you need to do to build SHR? |
| 23:02.42 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * rd8a55311c5d2 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: |
| 23:02.42 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Avoid AttributeError: 'AbstractSMS' object has no attribute 'ud' |
| 23:02.42 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This makes sure that the ud attribute is always present. |
| 23:02.47 | dent | sonic_: you mean ssh over wifi? afaik it's disables, as there's empty password for root :) |
| 23:02.53 | Pander | icon sets like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tango_icons and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Desktop_icons are similar things available for e or ice? |
| 23:03.00 | dent | quatrox: well, I was building FSO |
| 23:03.12 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rbb64b62e42d7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
| 23:03.19 | sonic_ | dent: Do you know how I can enable it. I can't even connect via bluetooth :( |
| 23:03.36 | dent | I followed the building FSO wiki page (the manual way)... set up bitbake, oe, then the OM stuff... |
| 23:03.47 | dent | just followinf the wiki did the trick |
| 23:03.59 | gurugentoo | is the 11/10 image the most recent gta02 SHR? |
| 23:03.59 | gurugentoo | I see a newer one for gta01 |
| 23:04.06 | dent | that being said, the sources are sometimes broken and bitbake stops in the process |
| 23:04.22 | dent | sonic_: well, USB net is the way |
| 23:04.22 | quatrox | dent: . /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env ; git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/fso-makefile common; ln -s common/Makefile Makefile; make setup; make shr-testing-image |
| 23:04.28 | quatrox | is that enough? |
| 23:04.32 | dent | sonic_: try some linux livecd as people suggested here |
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| 23:04.37 | dent | that would be the easier |
| 23:04.50 | sonic_ | ok, thanks dent |
| 23:05.17 | dent | sonic_: or if you can use some virtualization software, where the guest system can access USB, this might work too |
| 23:05.24 | dent | quatrox: I used no makefile |
| 23:05.36 | quatrox | ahh |
| 23:06.48 | raster | Pander: e has contemporary icons |
| 23:06.59 | raster | ie they are drawn recently |
| 23:07.03 | raster | and all anti-aliased |
| 23:07.09 | raster | and smooth and with alpha channels... |
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| 23:07.26 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-bnw.png |
| 23:07.34 | raster | of course not all of them are dont/finished |
| 23:07.48 | raster | and u might not like the look of them personally |
| 23:07.56 | raster | thats a matter of taste - as with anything... |
| 23:08.03 | raster | but they are defintiely contemporary |
| 23:08.45 | yoyo | gnome is on gtk+ kde on qt e on ? |
| 23:09.42 | raster | yoyo: e's on drugs |
| 23:09.46 | gurugentoo | yoyo: efl? |
| 23:09.52 | yoyo | hahaha |
| 23:10.09 | raster | e is on a collection of libs |
| 23:10.15 | yoyo | e have so light arts |
| 23:10.17 | raster | loosely grouped they are called efl |
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| 23:12.20 | Pander | raster: on openmoko was a post about some of them, these are really nice |
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| 23:13.19 | Pander | raster: these images are not in the latest download, that is 0.16.8.14 where are they? in version control? |
| 23:14.47 | Pander | we're looking into making one or more fdom themes |
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| 23:17.46 | raster | Pander: oh. thats e17 |
| 23:18.00 | raster | so if u are looking at e16.. yes - its "dated" |
| 23:18.01 | Kensan | raster: hey, there was some news about the panny today: it seems their former bank is not moving at their pace so refunds might clear a bit later than what they anticipated. Well at least that's how I read it. |
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| 23:18.27 | raster | Kensan: well .. i'll see what happens. |
| 23:18.43 | Kensan | raster: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45298# |
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| 23:22.05 | johngay | Evening everybody. |
| 23:24.45 | raster | Kensan: still sitting and waiting |
| 23:24.46 | raster | :) |
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| 23:25.30 | Kensan | raster: heh maybe you have a shot at a prerelease one: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45218 |
| 23:26.08 | raster | nah |
| 23:26.16 | raster | i want the big box with it all |
| 23:26.29 | raster | i have a full list on my todo |
| 23:26.37 | raster | so this can happiyl back-burner |
| 23:26.40 | raster | happily |
| 23:27.47 | Kensan | raster: yeah thought so. |
| 23:28.21 | Kensan | raster: how's the "Find a new house"-Todo item? ;) |
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| 23:28.38 | raster | almost done |
| 23:28.41 | raster | i think |
| 23:29.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | moin raster! :-) |
| 23:29.41 | Kensan | raster: good to hear. |
| 23:30.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | raster: in CH? |
| 23:30.19 | Kensan | no |
| 23:30.25 | Kensan | at least I don't think so *heh* |
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| 23:30.47 | Kensan | then I would have to invite him over for a beer or two... |
| 23:30.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
| 23:31.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'd join :-D |
| 23:31.14 | Kensan | could get expensive after a while... |
| 23:31.17 | Kensan | *haha* |
| 23:31.43 | quatrox | I doubt raster will move to CH just for 2 beers |
| 23:31.47 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: nice, then you could show me how to use the debugboard :) |
| 23:32.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) that's not *that* difficult |
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| 23:32.35 | raster | ahhahaha |
| 23:32.38 | raster | no |
| 23:32.41 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: yeah I know, but I haven't really tried so far. |
| 23:32.45 | raster | too busy to think about it right now |
| 23:32.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | usually people ask me to fix their buzz-issue |
| 23:32.49 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: just getting garbage on the serial console |
| 23:33.02 | ronny | hmm |
| 23:33.07 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: well that's the thing you would need to fix to get the 2nd beer *heh* |
| 23:33.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-/ prolly wrong baud setting |
| 23:33.15 | ronny | gconf wont install - withount gconf no gnome-desktop |
| 23:33.35 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: hm 115200 should be correct... |
| 23:34.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | humm, yeah I guess that's right |
| 23:34.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | 8N1 |
| 23:34.21 | Kensan | yup |
| 23:34.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | IIRC |
| 23:34.37 | Kensan | but as I said, I need to actually sit down and give it a try again. |
| 23:34.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | OK |
| 23:34.59 | Kensan | been doing other stuff, haven't really gotten around to it. |
| 23:35.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | I need a coffee now |
| 23:35.16 | Kensan | Well if you are in the area, my offer stands ;) |
| 23:35.26 | Kensan | raster: same for you of course *haha* |
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| 23:35.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | btw: (buzz), the big-c seems to work |
| 23:35.46 | Kensan | big-c? |
| 23:36.04 | quatrox | C? |
| 23:36.06 | Kensan | I am not up to speed on the buzz bug status... |
| 23:36.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | will make it for an official rework recommendation shortly |
| 23:36.22 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: oh cool, so you fixed it :) |
| 23:36.26 | Kensan | good to know. |
| 23:36.41 | Pander | does anyone know why this is not working anymore: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko.txt |
| 23:37.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | it's a terrible botch, but all that can be done, wrt given board layout |
| 23:37.36 | Kensan | Pander: seems to be non-working since 13/11. |
| 23:37.56 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: hm ok. Do you happen to have taken any pics? |
| 23:37.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | Kensan: works for A5&6 as well (ok, should I'd say) |
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| 23:38.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | actually there are some pics around. will update some ML and/or wiki today |
| 23:39.13 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: awesome |
| 23:39.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | (pics) no decent ones, but authentic, as they are from a community member |
| 23:39.48 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: these here http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/buzzfix-lm336/ ? |
| 23:40.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | that's exactly how to do it, if you replace lm336 with a 100uF |
| 23:40.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
| 23:40.44 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: holy crap, that looks nasty. |
| 23:40.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | btw: nevermind the first 6 pics there |
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| 23:41.57 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: yeah, they look kinda scary to a non hardware person *heh* |
| 23:42.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah, that's the "dentist" in first few pics. actually big-c is rather clean and feasible |
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| 23:43.03 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: ok, I need to make friends with someone that has some soldering skills :) |
| 23:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | Kensan: see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-October/000775.html |
| 23:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | he also did the pics |
| 23:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | for real big-c rework |
| 23:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | he = Angus Ainslie |
| 23:44.36 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer: ah ok. Thanks for the info! |
| 23:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | we're going to include this on A7 version |
| 23:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | (decent beads didn't make it on this A7 layout :-/ ) |
| 23:46.08 | Kensan | ah |
| 23:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | there's also a rework using a better 3-pole mic, that yields brilliant audio. Will publish Candy's rework report today |
| 23:47.34 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer: ic, could this be done "in the field"? |
| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | this one is tough tho. needs vast rework in mic circuitry, plus mods on case to fit new bigger mic |
| 23:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | which one? |
| 23:48.11 | Kensan | ah, so that's no I guess, at least for your average "enthusiast". |
| 23:48.16 | Kensan | 3-pole mic |
| 23:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | *could* be done, as Candy didn't do anything else. And a few other mortal on this planet can do the same ;-). You need new mic tho |
| 23:50.18 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer: well as I said, I am a software guy with little knowledge/experience with dirty hardware stuff *haha* |
| 23:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 23:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | OM recommendation is "go for big-C" |
| 23:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | eventually we might produce an A8 with new mic, to prove we *can* ;-) |
| 23:51.50 | Kensan | heh nice |
| 23:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | a few hundered, with gold plate - lol |
| 23:52.20 | Kensan | As someone more popular than me would say: "Yes we can!" |
| 23:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | sometime around 2011 ;-) |
| 23:52.41 | Kensan | ah those go straight to museums etc ;) |
| 23:53.03 | Kensan | Museum of Opensource history in Lissabon or Bilbao |
| 23:53.04 | Kensan | heh |
| 23:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, stay tuned for Candy's report. I'll publish today :-) |
| 23:53.45 | Kensan | well "today" is already running out for me so will probably read it in the morning. |
| 23:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | raster, you didn't say anything? ;-) |
| 23:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | day just starting for me, insanely early in the morning. |
| 23:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | needs a coffee, urgently |
| 23:54.51 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer: yeah, he's still waking up I think. Hasn't had his cappuchino or whatever he's drinking ;) |
| 23:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | Raster? Coke, nothing else, I'd guess :-D |
| 23:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | is the latte-man |
| 23:55.44 | Kensan | ah |
| 23:56.03 | Kensan | So what coffe machine are you running? ;) |
| 23:56.07 | raster | DocScrutinizer: say eh? ?? |
| 23:56.28 | viq | heh, shr trac is down |
| 23:57.01 | Kensan | raster: so how do you consume your caffein? Joerg says Coke I say Cappuchino. |
| 23:57.35 | raster | coke |
| 23:57.39 | raster | snort |
| 23:57.40 | raster | :) |
| 23:57.47 | ronny | hmm |
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| 23:57.53 | Kensan | haha |
| 23:58.06 | ronny | why does nobody take the white pill with tea |
| 23:58.07 | Kensan | that's why you are all about the eye-candy |
| 23:59.08 | Kensan | well need some sleep |
| 23:59.12 | Kensan | catch you guys tomorrow |
| 23:59.34 | yoyo | by |
