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| 01:52.46 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rce76397b3ad1 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: tasks-openmoko-feed: Add wget for werner |
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| 01:59.01 | Yashy | I go from full battery to dead in 3 hours now... I hope the lack of battery optimization has not fscked the longevity in my battery and someday it will last longer |
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| 02:17.18 | SpeedEvil | This little board (1½ x 1½ inches sq, 4 x 4 cm) controlls up to 14 R/C servos, enough to make a six legged robot walk and its head move. It connects to the PC via an RS 232 serial line or to Basic Stamp and other microcontrollers via a TTL level serial connection. |
| 02:17.21 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 02:22.44 | ezekiel-v3 | sounds like fun |
| 02:27.44 | Dave | fucking foxconn |
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| 03:14.44 | skbohra | hi everybody |
| 03:14.56 | skbohra | I am trying to install openmoko emulator |
| 03:14.56 | Dave | Hi Dr. Nick! |
| 03:15.02 | Dave | qemu? |
| 03:15.16 | skbohra | yup |
| 03:15.28 | skbohra | but ending up with error |
| 03:15.52 | skbohra | Dave: I am following this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU#Manual_setup |
| 03:17.01 | Dave | errors? |
| 03:17.03 | Dave | uhh yeah |
| 03:17.14 | Dave | Are you trying to run apps locally? |
| 03:18.02 | skbohra | openmoko/flash.sh: line 80: /home/best/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: No such file or directory |
| 03:18.06 | skbohra | got this error |
| 03:18.27 | skbohra | is this a bug? |
| 03:23.13 | skbohra | help me!!! |
| 03:24.57 | slaxxin | wassa |
| 03:25.51 | skbohra | can't install qemu |
| 03:26.03 | skbohra | following this link http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU#Manual_setup |
| 03:26.11 | skbohra | ending up with errors |
| 03:26.22 | skbohra | openmoko/flash.sh: line 80: /home/best/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: No such file or directory |
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| 03:30.55 | skbohra | anybody? |
| 03:32.34 | skbohra | help me with qemu! |
| 03:32.38 | skbohra | I am stuck |
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| 03:39.20 | skbohra | openmoko/flash.sh: line 80: /home/best/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: No such file or directory |
| 03:39.33 | skbohra | ends up with this fancy error |
| 03:39.42 | skbohra | what to do, now |
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| 03:41.46 | skbohra | help plz |
| 03:47.06 | skbohra | anybody |
| 04:01.24 | skbohra | thinks he is about to fix this :) |
| 04:02.53 | slaxxin | looks like om testing is the only thing |
| 04:03.09 | slaxxin | wats up dave |
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| 04:08.26 | slaxxin | dave is now bored |
| 04:09.38 | slaxxin | he has went out to hit the streets in search of the perfect linux operating system,, since none could be found here |
| 04:10.24 | slaxxin | speculation ofcourse |
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| 04:30.55 | bmidgley1 | latest debian on neo1973 has serial port issues |
| 04:31.06 | bmidgley1 | gllin reports: open(/dev/ttySAC1,115200) error 2. |
| 04:31.26 | bmidgley1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:50.47 | niklauz | hows the battery life in the latest milestone release? |
| 04:53.37 | skbohra | hi everybody |
| 04:54.02 | skbohra | installing qemu gives me a boot menu! what next |
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| 04:58.31 | skbohra | i can't boot in Openmoko |
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| 05:04.15 | slaxxin | shr batt is great |
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| 05:09.00 | niklauz | slaxxin: it seems like there is a lot of work happening in a good focused direction |
| 05:09.27 | niklauz | do you know which parts are stable for day-to-day use? |
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| 05:27.05 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4792 10/developers/werner/myroot/ (README werner): |
| 05:27.05 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - go with the flow and use tcptraceroute |
| 05:27.05 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - README: removed obsolete work-arounds for (now no longer) missing things |
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| 06:53.39 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4793 10/developers/werner/myroot/myroot: Oops, only worked if started from the "myroot" directory. |
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| 06:59.15 | Dave | Mwester :) |
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| 07:57.42 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4794 10/developers/werner/fake-calup/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:57.42 | CIA-51 | openmoko: Rootfs for the firmware updater. |
| 07:57.42 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - calup.init: /sbin/init |
| 07:57.42 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - bin/cal-id-file: we also have names that end in -moko instead of _moko |
| 07:57.42 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - bin/calup.sh: xinit removes the PATH, reconstruct it |
| 07:57.45 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - calup.myroot: myroot customization script |
| 07:57.47 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - Makefile: added target "rootfs" to build a rootfs (root.jffs2) |
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| 09:10.57 | salman | greetings |
| 09:11.59 | spydon | ahoy |
| 09:12.24 | salman | I am still struggling to get a working bluetooth between neo and another mobile. both mobiles can see each others but there is not sending or receiving |
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| 09:47.39 | salman | ok.. I think I got usb networking working :-) I am trying to ssh to neo but blank password is not working |
| 09:49.54 | gromez | salman: connecting with root user ? |
| 09:50.12 | salman | gromez: yes |
| 09:50.18 | spydon | are you sure you connected to the right ip? |
| 09:50.41 | salman | 192.168.0.200 |
| 09:50.45 | spydon | its 202 |
| 09:51.06 | salman | oops |
| 09:51.10 | spydon | ^^ |
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| 09:53.03 | salman | ohh. now ssh is just waiting and not showing anything... not even the password request |
| 09:53.13 | spydon | hmm |
| 09:53.48 | spydon | then its probably going to timeout |
| 09:54.49 | spydon | have you done these commands? http://pastebin.com/d475fad5e |
| 09:55.55 | salman | spydon: I am following this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others |
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| 09:56.59 | spydon | salman, okay, I dont think I had to do all those things to get it connecting... |
| 09:57.23 | salman | are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 09:57.40 | spydon | ubuntu |
| 09:59.06 | salman | ok.. I am in... I had to do those commands again after the first failed attempt |
| 09:59.33 | spydon | okay, weird :P |
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| 10:10.41 | salman | I scp'ed two pdf files to neo but they do not show up |
| 10:13.00 | salman | ok.. wrong directory :-) |
| 10:16.07 | dns53 | you using evince? |
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| 10:22.11 | salman | no.. just the builtin epdf |
| 10:22.25 | salman | this is the first attempt |
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| 10:23.18 | salman | and it seems it is stuck with the pdf file I loaded.... let us see if I can kill it with ssh |
| 10:25.25 | salman | great.. it works |
| 10:25.27 | salman | :-) |
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| 10:28.29 | salman | now step 2.. installing a real calculator |
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| 11:36.46 | salman | Richy: still searching for one, currently testing HP48 |
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| 12:43.21 | PinDemon | morning 2 everybody |
| 12:45.38 | nio_ | Morning |
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| 13:05.42 | bove3 | the FSO milestone 4 doc describes 2 different: fso-console and fso-illume, but there are still 3 different images in the downloads |
| 13:06.59 | bove3 | I've jsut installed the illume one, but zhone is not starting at all. neither after rebooting |
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| 14:33.00 | yoyo | hi |
| 14:34.44 | quatrox | hello |
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| 14:47.22 | yoyo | haha Om2008.8 is down :/ and 2008.9 is not compatible with gta01 :/ hyyy I don't have image to instal :/ |
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| 14:50.58 | alephnull | yoyo: fso ms4. |
| 14:54.26 | yoyo | alephnull: fso-illume or fso-image? |
| 14:55.29 | sicu | fso-image |
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| 14:56.29 | yoyo | :/ illume is so nice |
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| 15:00.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Is there a way to use a GSM 900 band phone in the USA? |
| 15:02.31 | skysurfer_ | From what I understand is that the 850 band is mostly for more rural areas, so if your staying near larger cities it should work fine |
| 15:03.22 | skysurfer_ | I do know that the 850 units work in Europe for the most part |
| 15:04.24 | skysurfer_ | At least mine seems to indicate a signal when its not re-registering |
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| 15:21.31 | kd8ikt | dang i got rickrolled the other day now it keeps playing in my head |
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| 15:32.34 | Toaster` | When flashing your FR, can you specify the tar.bz2 file, or do you have to convert it to a jffs2 image? |
| 15:33.21 | lindi- | Toaster`: ? |
| 15:33.21 | yoyo | tar.bz2 is for sd boot jffs2 is for flash (i think) |
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| 15:35.20 | Toaster` | lindi-: I'm interested in trying out FSO MS4 but I've only ever flashed using jffs2 files. FSO MS4 is only offered in tar.bz2 files, hence the question. |
| 15:35.33 | Toaster` | yoyo: ah... hrm |
| 15:37.14 | lindi- | Toaster`: what fs did you use with those tar.bz2 files? |
| 15:37.55 | mwester | The jffs images have gone missing for unknown reasons. |
| 15:38.43 | Toaster` | mwester: ahh, that makes some sense. Any clue when they might be un-houdini'd? |
| 15:39.13 | mwester | no idea, I'm afraid. I wonder if the FSO folks even know that they are missing. |
| 15:40.08 | mwester | mickey|zzZZzz is apparently still sleeping ;-) But I think he has access to add/remove from those download dirs, and maybe knows what the issue is. |
| 15:40.37 | Toaster` | Should I fire off an e-mail to him? |
| 15:41.01 | ajuonline | Toaster`: i suppose the jffs files are tared in those files? |
| 15:41.12 | Toaster` | ajuonline: nope, I checked that |
| 15:41.40 | Toaster` | ajuonline: the tar'd files are just the root fs compressed |
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| 15:44.57 | ajuonline | Toaster`: pm |
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| 15:51.10 | kd8ikt | i'm using a testing image via downlaods.freesmartphone |
| 15:51.21 | kd8ikt | hope that helps |
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| 15:52.27 | kd8ikt | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ |
| 15:52.49 | kd8ikt | they have almost daily builds of FSO |
| 15:53.49 | Toaster` | kd8ikt: looking at it now. I was specifically looking for the MS4 release though. I find daily build are a little flaky for a daily-use phone. |
| 15:54.39 | Toaster` | kd8ikt: Thanks for the pointer though |
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| 15:56.06 | yoyo | haha booting gta01 from sd with fso ms4 !illume |
| 15:57.13 | Toaster` | yoyo: nice. how does it look/feel? |
| 15:58.27 | yoyo | Toaster`: xserver starts up an od desktop connecting w/dbus and freez :P |
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| 15:59.04 | ajuonline | Toaster`: i have the ms4 installed. non-illume. i couldnt make calls with it. |
| 15:59.22 | Toaster` | hrm, not good |
| 16:00.41 | yoyo | Toaster`: decide to turn off antena and work :) (first look ) |
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| 16:04.47 | Toaster` | Foolish question I should ahve asked earlier, can I not simply create a jffs2 image from the tar.bz2 file? |
| 16:05.16 | lindi- | Toaster`: sure |
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| 16:33.59 | mokel | hi, any chance to get a jffs2 image vom milestone 4 fso? |
| 16:34.16 | slaxxin | we have wiki hackage |
| 16:34.23 | mokel | ? |
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| 16:34.58 | slaxxin | ahh they cleaned up the downloads in preperation for 2008.11 release |
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| 16:35.26 | mokel | mmh, i would like to try it :( |
| 16:35.29 | slaxxin | these people have been verry verry busy |
| 16:35.48 | nielsle | Mokel: There is an image at http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ |
| 16:35.50 | slaxxin | try shr |
| 16:36.51 | nielsle | I think it is the correct one, but may be wrong. |
| 16:37.42 | slaxxin | shr works except that theres no phone call list an i dont get any gps |
| 16:37.56 | mokel | there is no shr |
| 16:38.13 | slaxxin | why not? |
| 16:38.31 | mokel | oh, sorry, looked at the testing images |
| 16:39.10 | slaxxin | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
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| 16:40.22 | slaxxin | maybe the merg will be a better experience for all |
| 16:40.28 | slaxxin | e |
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| 16:46.34 | Toaster` | mwester: mickey just got back to me. They removed the jffs2 images due to the mp3 issue. I had forgotten about that. |
| 16:46.52 | mokel | argl |
| 16:46.56 | mokel | damn mp3s |
| 16:47.05 | Toaster` | They're going to be reposting them as soon as they have them fixed up. |
| 16:47.24 | mokel | whats the exact problem with it? |
| 16:47.40 | mokel | lame lib? |
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| 16:49.12 | s0u][ight | hi guys can i run linux on a samsung omnia? |
| 16:49.22 | Toaster` | mokel: in short (and not at all fully informed), the previously current images all shipped with mp3 support using free libs. but regardless of the status of the libs, the patent owners of the mp3 tech want their license fees, and OM being a commercial venture, I can't blame them. So OM is doing the right thing and removing the support |
| 16:49.38 | mokel | ok, thanks |
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| 16:52.39 | samgee | so mp3 support was/is not in the tar images? |
| 16:54.23 | Toaster` | samgee: no clue, I would assume no |
| 16:55.07 | Toaster` | my attempt to create a jffs2 images from a tar file to flash to my FR failed |
| 16:55.20 | Toaster` | user error I figure |
| 16:55.45 | slaxxin | operator malfunction |
| 16:55.59 | Toaster` | PEBKAC |
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| 16:57.48 | slaxxin | rename a deb file jffs2 |
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| 16:58.04 | slaxxin | oo install |
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| 16:59.29 | slaxxin | so if 1 was to give another an installation file the penguin police would instantly fry your machine") |
| 17:00.22 | slaxxin | i hace all the images |
| 17:00.57 | slaxxin | didnt u save the ones u have used? |
| 17:01.36 | slaxxin | u know ofcourse they came with the source |
| 17:02.31 | slaxxin | i was using SHR talking to my cousin ,, an when we got done i hung up |
| 17:02.37 | slaxxin | :) |
| 17:02.58 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.03 | slaxxin | nope not shr DEBIAN |
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| 17:04.31 | slaxxin | debian finally failed for me w o w |
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| 17:05.49 | Hire | :) |
| 17:06.55 | sicu | anyone know any good pic-viewers for the FR ? appart from OMview (which fails for me) and gpe-gallery (which works nicely, but lacks a proper fullscreen mode without buttons) |
| 17:11.57 | lindi- | sicu: xzgv? |
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| 17:19.23 | sicu | lindi-: and do you know of an .ipk for it ? |
| 17:20.22 | lindi- | sicu: no i use debian |
| 17:20.25 | sicu | havn't got time to start building, so if there isn't, i will just stick to gpe-gallery for now |
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| 17:20.41 | sicu | lindi-: ah ok ... but thx anyways =] |
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| 17:33.19 | mokel | anybody could upload the fso ms4 image for me? |
| 17:33.20 | Fougner | ta-taaaaaaaa |
| 17:33.45 | Fougner | hi everybody =) |
| 17:35.31 | Toaster` | wow,now even the tar.bz2 files for FSO MS4 are gone. They much be doing a full update. |
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| 18:01.24 | DGMurdockIII | hi |
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| 18:02.00 | DGMurdockIII | anyone have any problem geting the phone activated with att |
| 18:02.09 | DGMurdockIII | like what do you get charged monthly |
| 18:02.33 | SpeedEvil | you don't get it activated - you buy a SIM which is activated |
| 18:02.52 | SpeedEvil | or swap the SIM from a phone which is activated |
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| 18:03.19 | DGMurdockIII | so they dont now that it a unlocked phone |
| 18:03.21 | DGMurdockIII | ? |
| 18:03.31 | jopk | hi |
| 18:03.36 | SpeedEvil | it's as any other unlocked phone. |
| 18:03.42 | SpeedEvil | It does not come with a SIM. |
| 18:03.47 | jopk | where can I find a mplayer package? |
| 18:03.48 | DGMurdockIII | becse i was going to bythis as my first cell phone |
| 18:03.48 | SpeedEvil | It's up to you to provide one. |
| 18:04.03 | DGMurdockIII | yeah read that |
| 18:04.28 | DGMurdockIII | but my dad is worried |
| 18:04.48 | DGMurdockIII | that I will be charged 50 dollaries becse it a unlocked phone |
| 18:05.00 | SpeedEvil | Well - call ATT or whoever, and ask them. |
| 18:05.22 | SpeedEvil | 'can I put my SIM in any phone' |
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| 18:06.11 | DGMurdockIII | dose the sim card have to be unlocked |
| 18:06.40 | SpeedEvil | the SIM card can be locked to a phone, but this is unusual. |
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| 18:07.02 | DGMurdockIII | so att will activat just a sim card |
| 18:07.56 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, the easy way is to buy a 'gophone' and change the SIM |
| 18:07.57 | SpeedEvil | http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phones/cell-phones.jsp?wtSlotClick=1-0016JW-0-1&WT.svl=calltoaction&allTypes=on&feapaytype=pyg&startFilter=false&allFeatures=on&allManus=on |
| 18:08.32 | mwester-laptop | USA? Buy a pay-as-you-go SIM from eBay for a few dollars... |
| 18:08.34 | DGMurdockIII | what the gophone plain |
| 18:08.46 | DGMurdockIII | plan |
| 18:08.56 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:09.23 | DGMurdockIII | what the plan for a gophone |
| 18:09.30 | DGMurdockIII | like minets |
| 18:09.31 | SpeedEvil | however, ask again in maybe 5-6 hours, and you'll get a better response, the US hasn't quite woken up yet. |
| 18:09.40 | sicu | it's a pay-as-you-go package |
| 18:09.40 | SpeedEvil | Two rate plan optionspricing |
| 18:09.42 | SpeedEvil | as low as 10¢/min |
| 18:09.43 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 18:09.47 | SpeedEvil | look at teh website |
| 18:10.06 | jopk | how can I install mplayer? |
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| 18:10.50 | leachim_dot_eu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.58 | mwester-laptop | jopk: opkg install mplayer |
| 18:10.59 | leachim_dot_eu | sry wrong window |
| 18:11.08 | emacsen | mwester, I use T-Mobile. Prepaid .10 a minute |
| 18:11.10 | emacsen | any time |
| 18:11.40 | jopk | mwester-laptop: I've already tried this, opkg does not find a mplayer package |
| 18:12.08 | DGMurdockIII | it's a pay-as-you-go package so do you ever have to by a new sim card |
| 18:12.10 | emacsen | DGMurdockIII, where do you live, in the US? |
| 18:12.18 | DGMurdockIII | indiana |
| 18:12.19 | mwester-laptop | Then it's not (or no longer) available for the distro you are using. |
| 18:12.30 | emacsen | DGMurdockIII, Is Indiana part of the US still? |
| 18:12.38 | DGMurdockIII | yes |
| 18:12.40 | SpeedEvil | DGMurdockIII: not if you keep paying the money |
| 18:12.41 | jopk | I'm using 2008.9 |
| 18:12.41 | DGMurdockIII | indiapolis |
| 18:12.51 | SpeedEvil | DGMurdockIII: and don't do any murdering. |
| 18:12.53 | emacsen | DGMurdockIII, then go find a prepaid GSM provider |
| 18:14.44 | emacsen | AT&T offers GSM, T-Mobile does, and maybe others |
| 18:14.57 | emacsen | then you get a SIM card from them. Either with a phone or SIM-only plan |
| 18:15.01 | emacsen | and stick it in the OM phone |
| 18:15.18 | DGMurdockIII | yeah |
| 18:15.22 | DGMurdockIII | i get that |
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| 18:15.30 | DGMurdockIII | but i reading on this site |
| 18:15.51 | DGMurdockIII | the pay as you go on att is only go for 90 day after actvation |
| 18:16.01 | DGMurdockIII | http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/usa.html |
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| 18:17.21 | emacsen | I use T-Mobile prepaid |
| 18:17.24 | mwester-laptop | DGMurdockIII: Both T-Mobile and AT&T pre-paid plans have a time-constraint on them. If you do not use the minutes, they expire after 30 or 90 days, you must keep adding $$ to the card in order to keep it working. That's the gimmick. |
| 18:17.40 | emacsen | it's $20 for a prepaid SIM. T-Mobile's limit is 1 year if you put $100 on it |
| 18:17.51 | mwester-laptop | T-Mobile is better than AT&T if you do not use a lot of minutes. |
| 18:17.52 | emacsen | mwester, not T-Mobile if you put $100 at once |
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| 18:18.13 | mwester-laptop | emacsen: $100 expire after 1 year |
| 18:18.21 | emacsen | yes |
| 18:18.28 | mwester-laptop | They all expire... |
| 18:18.33 | mwester-laptop | That's the gimmick |
| 18:18.38 | DGMurdockIII | so if i keep using it and still have minuts |
| 18:18.43 | DGMurdockIII | it will keep working |
| 18:18.47 | mwester-laptop | No. |
| 18:19.14 | mwester-laptop | If you keep using it, but you do not purchase more minutes, then eventually the SIM will expire and you will lose what minutes remain. |
| 18:19.18 | DGMurdockIII | it will still expire |
| 18:19.39 | DGMurdockIII | so i dont get rollover |
| 18:19.51 | mwester-laptop | That's a good way to put it. |
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| 18:20.59 | DGMurdockIII | the 100 dollar plain from att seem good |
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| 18:22.40 | DGMurdockIII | where do you get the prepaid sim card |
| 18:23.11 | DGMurdockIII | and do they work out of the box after actvation |
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| 18:28.39 | laen | Lol, the rootfs now completely vanished from http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ |
| 18:30.56 | DGMurdockIII | http://developer.att.com/developer/index.jsp |
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| 18:37.53 | mwester-laptop | laen: apparently the FSO MS4 also suffered from the inclusion of mp3 technology, so it's has been withdrawn until it can be "sanitized" |
| 18:38.10 | laen | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ then? :) |
| 18:38.39 | mwester-laptop | laen: Sure. But that's not MS4, at this time that would be MS4 + something or other... |
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| 18:39.32 | kd8ikt | i'm having a problem with fso gps |
| 18:39.45 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/91b5c5e16a1b93428a0773574fdb20fa.png |
| 18:40.00 | kd8ikt | wonder whats causing that video F-up on the gps screen |
| 18:40.31 | mickey|zzZZzz | someone repaired the 16bit engine. we need to disable the 32-bit engine in zhone |
| 18:40.37 | mickey|zzZZzz | err |
| 18:40.38 | mickey|zzZZzz | vice versa |
| 18:40.49 | mickey|zzZZzz | the 16bit engine has been repaired, so zhone uses it (again) now |
| 18:41.05 | mickey|zzZZzz | however our cairo drawing slightly goes wrong on the 16bit engine |
| 18:41.06 | kd8ikt | ... |
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| 18:41.12 | kd8ikt | ah |
| 18:41.17 | mickey|zzZZzz | so you either call it with the right command line switch |
| 18:41.22 | mickey|zzZZzz | or just disable the check for the 16bit engine |
| 18:42.05 | laen | mwester-laptop: so those are images of ms3? |
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| 18:43.00 | mwester-laptop | laen: No - the -testing feed is an image of the latest version that built -- which should be at least ms4, but probably is newer than ms4. Since it is testing, there is no guarantee that it will actually work. |
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| 18:43.33 | kd8ikt | mp3... (i wont tell anyone if you wont ;) |
| 18:43.37 | laen | mwester-laptop: then i guess http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/images/ gives the ms4 |
| 18:44.45 | mwester-laptop | I don't thing any of them give you ms4. The unstable is the absolutely-most-recent-image, which is even more likely to not work than -testing. |
| 18:45.04 | kd8ikt | yeah i'm using testing and sofar i've noticed lag with the topshelf up/down those crazy cairo errors with gps zhone ,and i've yet to get a gps lock |
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| 18:45.19 | kd8ikt | even tangogps is fail |
| 18:45.34 | kd8ikt | i should fire up gpsui |
| 18:45.55 | kd8ikt | agpsui |
| 18:45.55 | laen | It just bugs me that Debian isn't putting much work in fso ms4 frameworkd and zhone.. can barely call, sms is out of the question |
| 18:46.16 | mwester-laptop | zhone is a demo, it is not intended to work. |
| 18:46.20 | laen | i know |
| 18:46.31 | laen | the only thing that does work, is qtextended, grats to you :P |
| 18:46.43 | mwester-laptop | Now that SHR is very much usable, I expect that zhone will no longer be updated at all, and may even be missing in the future. |
| 18:46.55 | laen | never tried shr |
| 18:47.18 | mwester-laptop | There are no releases of SHR yet, but it is getting close. |
| 18:47.22 | igor321 | i'm looking forward do paroli |
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| 18:47.28 | igor321 | it looks really nice |
| 18:47.34 | lindi- | laen: what work should be put there? |
| 18:48.19 | laen | Well, it would be nice to have 1 application on debian that'd make it able to do some sort of calling.. even if it's the demo application zhone. |
| 18:48.38 | laen | I hear the ms4-zhone is a lot more able, so that would be good enough. |
| 18:48.38 | mwester-laptop | igor321: I have become incredibly skeptical after 1.5 years with Om --- and still no phone GUI that is reliable! I'll wait until paroli releases... |
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| 18:49.39 | lindi- | mwester-laptop: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/kapula is my attempt to make a really simple UI that is realiable :) |
| 18:49.57 | igor321 | mwester-laptop: i see what you're saying |
| 18:50.15 | igor321 | lindi-: kapula means onion in my language :) |
| 18:50.24 | laen | Ah cool lindi- :) |
| 18:50.32 | mwester-laptop | The "onion" dialer... hmm..... |
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| 18:50.52 | igor321 | and can also be used as a pejorative term for a telephone that's old or big, a "brick" if you will |
| 18:50.52 | laen | mwester-laptop: true there, the only things you'd want is Qtextended, and Debian. |
| 18:50.58 | igor321 | it's perfect :) |
| 18:52.10 | lindi- | mwester-laptop: i also disable all unnecessary subsystems from frameworkd |
| 18:52.14 | mwester-laptop | laen: I think the two don't mix well |
| 18:52.23 | mwester-laptop | Qt Extended and Debian.. |
| 18:52.24 | lindi- | mwester-laptop: like brightness control, gps, accelometers, ... |
| 18:52.43 | laen | mwester-laptop: i meant that as a dual boot offcourse |
| 18:52.58 | laen | yours on the NAND, Debian on the SD. |
| 18:53.14 | lindi- | why dualboot? just use chroot |
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| 18:53.35 | Dave | Mwester, may we speak with the Lady Basil? :) |
| 18:53.46 | milos_ | !logs |
| 18:53.46 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 18:53.47 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 18:53.48 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 18:53.51 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 18:53.53 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 18:53.53 | laen | lindi-: Mmmm interesting. Boot Debian and chroot Qtextended for a phone app? |
| 18:53.57 | mwester-laptop | Well, Qt Extended isn't mine, but I get your point. Also I think lindi- has a point, and there's something we don't do enough of. |
| 18:54.09 | laen | Yep. |
| 18:54.25 | laen | Where o where would we be without you mwester and lindi- :) |
| 18:54.34 | laen | And don't be shy now :P |
| 18:54.49 | lindi- | laen: for example |
| 18:54.56 | mwester-laptop | I think it would be possible to build Qt Extended for Debian -- in which case you could just use a boot-time selection to boot into Qt Extended or Debian using the same rootfs. |
| 18:55.01 | DGMurdockIII | so would you guy recamend i get this phone |
| 18:55.09 | Fougner | mwester-laptop: you are kinda kernel master? ^^ |
| 18:55.45 | Fougner | DGMurdockIII: if you want to support freedom of open source, and get a fun toy to play with, yes |
| 18:55.48 | mwester-laptop | Fougner: No, the kernel masters are on the openmoko-kernel mailing list. I just dabble with the kernel, and try to keep a stable version built. |
| 18:55.55 | lindi- | laen: i almost always have both debian stable and unstable installed on my machines. with schroot it's easy to transparently run some apps from unstable |
| 18:56.01 | Fougner | mwester-laptop: aha |
| 18:56.31 | laen | lindi-: yep. Would it be hard to run Qtextended from a chroot? |
| 18:56.38 | DGMurdockIII | dose it support auto updating |
| 18:56.38 | henk | what process asks for the sim pin in om2008.9? |
| 18:56.50 | lindi- | laen: it should be trivial |
| 18:56.55 | lindi- | laen: at least 2007.2 works from chroot |
| 18:56.57 | lindi- | laen: from debian |
| 18:57.35 | Dave | laen :p |
| 18:58.36 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3861be4aef67 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py objects.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] report GSM | GPRS cipher status |
| 18:59.02 | ronny | yo |
| 18:59.24 | Fougner | mwester-laptop: you were the one with the "strong principles" ? |
| 18:59.43 | ronny | anyone got an idea how to set up network-manager on intrepid (ubuntu 8.10) for the freerunner - it did mess around with my static config |
| 18:59.46 | mwester-laptop | ;) Yeah, that would be one way of puttin it. |
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| 19:02.02 | Fougner | mwester-laptop: hehe, well I think someone should put a simplicity-team together... just get the basic phone to work =P |
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| 19:02.36 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1cec6049b6e7 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: document new signal org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.CipherStatus(gsm, gprs) |
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| 19:03.02 | laen__ | Damn.. guess i missed the answer on the suspend thing now. |
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| 19:07.18 | laen__ | Guess i'm gonna install Debian on the 8GB SD now then, and see if i can chroot the nand. |
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| 19:08.49 | lindi- | laen: suspend thing? |
| 19:10.02 | laen__ | Pressing the powerbutton for 2-3 seconds, screen going black, but able to receive phone calls or SMS messages |
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| 19:12.12 | laen__ | That suspend kinda thing. |
| 19:12.14 | sicu | anybody know a command for removing the illume top-bar ? |
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| 19:14.06 | lindi- | laen: yeah, sure that works |
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| 19:14.23 | laen | cool :) |
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| 19:23.57 | Digital_Pioneer | Wait, wait... So there are 900 and 850 signals in the USA? And the hardware is specific to one or the other?... |
| 19:24.15 | emacsen | Digital_Pioneer, 900 isn't available in the US |
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| 19:24.25 | emacsen | you can get the 900 HW but no carrier uses 900 |
| 19:24.29 | emacsen | not in the US |
| 19:24.41 | mwester-laptop | Digital_Pioneer: 900MHz was already in use in North America, so North America (among others) uses 850. |
| 19:25.24 | emacsen | DGMurdockIII, based on the question you've asked, the OM platform isn't mature enough for you yet |
| 19:25.47 | emacsen | I'd wait for the next phone and the software to be more mature |
| 19:26.31 | Digital_Pioneer | emacsen, mwester-laptop: So there is no way to use a 900 phone in the USA? |
| 19:26.38 | mwester-laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.41 | emacsen | No |
| 19:26.46 | Digital_Pioneer | Crap. |
| 19:26.51 | emacsen | You can use the 900 phone on one of it's other frequencies |
| 19:26.55 | emacsen | it's a tri-band phone |
| 19:27.08 | Digital_Pioneer | The Freerunner is? |
| 19:27.10 | emacsen | the 900 WILL work in the US, but not on 900 |
| 19:27.13 | emacsen | yeah |
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| 19:27.29 | Digital_Pioneer | So if I buy a Freerunner that works on the 900 band, I can change it to use 850? |
| 19:27.34 | emacsen | No |
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| 19:27.46 | emacsen | You'd use it on one of the other bands, I forget what they are |
| 19:27.53 | Digital_Pioneer | But I can still use it?... |
| 19:27.56 | emacsen | yes |
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| 19:28.25 | Digital_Pioneer | But not on 850? (Sorry, I'm sure I'm being thick, but I don't know much about cell phone signals) |
| 19:28.42 | mwester-laptop | Digital_Pioneer: GSM uses two frequencies: 900/1800 or 850/1900. The higher frequency is used in urban areas and dense areas; the lower is used for larger coverage. A European triband phone lacks 850, so it will work in most US cities, and will have no signal outside the cities and away from expressways, for example. |
| 19:29.52 | Digital_Pioneer | So the European triband phone uses 900/1800/1900? |
| 19:29.57 | emacsen | yes |
| 19:29.58 | mwester-laptop | The whole idea of a "tri" band instead of "dual" band is exactly so that a euro or north american phone can work in the other locations, at least in the cities. |
| 19:30.04 | emacsen | and the US one uses 850/1800/1900 |
| 19:30.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Sweet. |
| 19:30.23 | mwester-laptop | Sort of |
| 19:30.29 | emacsen | but if you go to a rural place, it may not work |
| 19:30.34 | emacsen | or even suburban |
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| 19:31.42 | Digital_Pioneer | Is there a way to find out if it will work where I'm at? |
| 19:31.43 | mwester-laptop | It's led to a lot of confusion, because people will use a phone, and it will work fine -- until they get into some rural location in a situation where they most need a phone, and find that it doesn't work at all. |
| 19:31.53 | Digital_Pioneer | (Before I spend hundreds of dollars on it) |
| 19:31.54 | mwester-laptop | Digital_Pioneer: Not really. |
| 19:32.08 | Digital_Pioneer | :( |
| 19:32.09 | emacsen | Digital_Pioneer, get the US phone if you live in the US |
| 19:32.14 | emacsen | and the European one if you live in Europe |
| 19:32.15 | mwester-laptop | Digital_Pioneer: You need to buy the model that is appropriate for your country. |
| 19:32.26 | Digital_Pioneer | I can get a European model for $300. |
| 19:32.29 | emacsen | or, be some kind of... Pioneer and try one |
| 19:32.41 | Digital_Pioneer | emacsen: LOL |
| 19:32.48 | mwester-laptop | The problem is that the GSM coverage maps by the carriers do not distinguish between the high or low frequency... |
| 19:34.03 | DGMurdockIII | this phone has a lot of potental |
| 19:34.05 | DGMurdockIII | i thnk |
| 19:34.10 | lindi- | yep |
| 19:34.19 | Fougner | DGMurdockIII: no, not really ;) |
| 19:34.27 | emacsen | DGMurdockIII, yes, potential, but the software stack is very much Alpha |
| 19:34.57 | DGMurdockIII | if a big componey would back it |
| 19:35.06 | DGMurdockIII | it would help alot |
| 19:35.10 | emacsen | that hasn't helped so far |
| 19:35.23 | emacsen | several largish companies are backing it |
| 19:35.25 | DGMurdockIII | \i mean like a stert of cell phone componey |
| 19:35.33 | DGMurdockIII | which ones |
| 19:35.34 | emacsen | Like... FIC? |
| 19:35.42 | emacsen | and Swistel (?) |
| 19:35.53 | emacsen | and Nokia (ala Trolltech) |
| 19:35.58 | DGMurdockIII | they need to back it with develpers |
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| 19:36.22 | Fougner | I think someone left the red button out =D |
| 19:36.22 | DGMurdockIII | Trolltech right now is the best one helping this project out |
| 19:36.37 | emacsen | DGMurdockIII, actually, not IMHO, but whatever |
| 19:36.48 | DGMurdockIII | who is? |
| 19:36.58 | emacsen | Swistel |
| 19:37.01 | DGMurdockIII | oh |
| 19:37.28 | emacsen | or however you spell it |
| 19:37.31 | DGMurdockIII | do any of you think the open source graphic crard is going get verver good |
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| 19:39.24 | DGMurdockIII | http://www.traversaltech.com/ |
| 19:39.30 | DGMurdockIII | has them for order |
| 19:40.06 | Fougner | in what language is zhone developed ? |
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| 19:41.02 | DGMurdockIII | zhone? |
| 19:41.26 | lindi- | Fougner: lindi@ginger:~$ file `which zhone` |
| 19:41.26 | lindi- | /usr/bin/zhone: python script text executable |
| 19:41.56 | Fougner | lindi-: oh god. |
| 19:42.46 | Fougner | that means I have to learn python =/ |
| 19:43.12 | Fougner | anyone know about a good source to learn python ? |
| 19:43.16 | lindi- | Fougner: you want to fix zhone? |
| 19:43.33 | Fougner | lindi-: I guess not, just see some code =P |
| 19:43.45 | lindi- | Fougner: what languages do you know? |
| 19:43.45 | Fougner | but to read, I need to learn the language |
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| 19:43.58 | Fougner | lindi-: not very much, but looked into c++, java and php |
| 19:44.12 | lindi- | Fougner: with those you should be able to read python just fine |
| 19:44.20 | Fougner | lindi-: you sure? |
| 19:44.36 | ronny | pretty sure |
| 19:44.59 | Fougner | I'm not even good at it, I just know the basics =) |
| 19:45.07 | kd8ikt | yikes still sanitizing the images? |
| 19:45.10 | Dave | :o |
| 19:45.16 | Fougner | Dave: !!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:45.35 | Dave | Hail |
| 19:46.04 | samgee | Fougner, http://diveintopython.org |
| 19:46.22 | Fougner | samgee: thanks |
| 19:46.50 | samgee | I'm actually reading it right now :) |
| 19:47.25 | laen | Dave!!! |
| 19:47.30 | laen | Fougner!!! |
| 19:47.43 | sakkara | laen!!! |
| 19:47.51 | laen | sakkara!!! |
| 19:47.55 | vininim | DGMurdockIII: I don't think they have a good marketing like FIC and OpenMoko =P |
| 19:48.43 | Fougner | laen: YES MY DEAR :D |
| 19:48.44 | mwester-laptop | -ETOMANYEXCLAMATIONPOINTS |
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| 19:49.00 | DGMurdockIII | 2(vininim2): you think if they did it be way farther along then it allready is |
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| 19:49.21 | laen | IEEEE COLORS |
| 19:49.37 | Dave | :D |
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| 19:51.10 | vininim | DGMurdockIII: well, I don't think video cards attracts as much developers as cellphones, and their current product is pretty much an overpriced fpga |
| 19:51.45 | DGMurdockIII | 2(vininim2): yeah it was cheaper |
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| 19:53.38 | vininim | it's not that much overpriced... but still it doesn't have the environment that openmoko has |
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| 19:54.05 | vininim | for example, there wasn't much effort to approach other open hardware communities |
| 19:57.19 | vininim | also, TT is not related to TechSource like OM is to FIC. |
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| 20:01.53 | Fougner | That's what SHE said! |
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| 20:06.38 | Dave | Hardly |
| 20:09.36 | Fougner | Dave: what? =) |
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| 20:13.26 | laen | uhm, mwester-laptop.. i feel like putting back qtextended on the NAND, but errr.. suddenly i see Hypnotize made an "image that does work", qtopia has a 4.4.2-gta02-flash instead of a 4.4.2-gta02-rootfs.. i'm confused. Could you tell me what i want? :P |
| 20:13.49 | laen | With which i mean which kernel too. |
| 20:14.51 | kd8ikt | http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html i like mwesters stable |
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| 20:15.11 | laen | good for you :P |
| 20:15.40 | laen | i read there's a qtopia/mwester mismatch or something somewhere.. which is why i'm asking mwester-laptop :) |
| 20:15.59 | kd8ikt | you dont have to be a dick |
| 20:16.03 | mwester-laptop | I know of no such mismatch. |
| 20:16.13 | laen | kd8ikt: didn't mean to be |
| 20:17.08 | mwester-laptop | It would be nice if Hypotize told us what was different; I don't run rootfs' who's origins are unknown ;) |
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| 20:19.19 | laen | So i guess qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-flash.tgz with uImage-gta02-gc7283981_mwester-stable.bin should work? |
| 20:20.13 | mwester-laptop | Whichever is the gta02 kernel that's listed as "stable", with the matching minimum modules... |
| 20:20.37 | laen | No thats named stable, but is listed as unstable.. you can see my confusion? |
| 20:21.28 | laen | dl.html >> "Latest "unstable" kernels", GTA02.. uImage-gta02-gc7283981_mwester-stable.bin Oo |
| 20:21.37 | mwester-laptop | laen: if you read the page carefully, it tells you that the "mwester-stable" designation is the branch name. |
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| 20:21.56 | mwester-laptop | That's the mwester analogue to the Openmoko "stable" branch. |
| 20:22.09 | mwester-laptop | The "stable" kernels are points in time from that branch. |
| 20:22.40 | mwester-laptop | So you want the one that is listed as stable, not just any one from the branch named "mwester-stable" -- two different things. |
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| 20:23.56 | laen | Maybe you need a new naming convention :P |
| 20:24.39 | kd8ikt | wheres my gun |
| 20:24.43 | Jabka | Is there any documenatation on accsing the sim device on (some sort of api) in FSO ? |
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| 20:24.47 | mwester-laptop | I don't think so. I think there's little chance for confusion -- the header on that section of the web page is rather clear that there is one, and only one gta02 kernl thatt is stable. |
| 20:25.01 | Jabka | i wish to port an appliation to freerunner |
| 20:25.46 | laen | mwester-laptop: so now you're telling me i need a stable kernel from the stable baseline? |
| 20:26.08 | mwester-laptop | Jabka: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Main_Page will point to the docs |
| 20:27.15 | mwester-laptop | laen: read the web page. It tells you exactly which kernel you want, you are making things much too complicated. If it makes it easier, just mentally substitute as follows: s/mwester-stable/little-green-men-from-mars/g |
| 20:27.22 | Jabka | mwester-laptop , thank you |
| 20:28.24 | laen | mwester-laptop: i must have a blackout then, read it twice |
| 20:30.11 | Fougner | little-green-men-from-mars? :O |
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| 20:31.18 | laen | Whatever, i find it rather irritating that instead of giving a simple answer with this and that, someone is made a fool. |
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| 20:35.55 | laen | mwester-laptop: So kay, stable green men stable, why don't i want the unstable listed on that same page except for the WSoD stuff? |
| 20:36.54 | laen | And why do you only list the modules-min and not modules-all. |
| 20:37.07 | mwester-laptop | If you don't mind the WSoD, or if you know your GTA02 is immune to the WSoD, then go ahead and take the kernel marked as "unstable". It will have some (small) boot time perfomance improvements. |
| 20:38.11 | mwester-laptop | I don't list modules-all because few people need them, it would only cause more people to fill up their flash and blame the mwester kernels for it, and I'm too lazy to type more of those long horrible URLs. |
| 20:38.26 | laen | Ah kay. |
| 20:38.31 | vininim | mmm... what is the best way to install gdbserver? |
| 20:38.37 | Dave | :) |
| 20:38.51 | kd8ikt | i would like the r8187 usb wifi driver kmod |
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| 20:39.09 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 20:39.18 | kd8ikt | well actually unpatched that driver still rox |
| 20:39.39 | kd8ikt | i need to make a usb gender changer still (splice a few cables up) |
| 20:40.03 | mwester-laptop | what's an r8187? |
| 20:40.28 | slaxxin | requires dykes foe removal |
| 20:40.43 | Kensan | mwester-laptop: Realtek Chipset I think. |
| 20:40.44 | kd8ikt | RTL8187L |
| 20:40.50 | Dave | :D |
| 20:42.14 | kd8ikt | its a nice wifi usb card but huge its like as big as my phone |
| 20:42.44 | kd8ikt | so carrying both around wouldnt be fun |
| 20:43.03 | mwester-laptop | :D Well, until we get to the newer kernel where we can get Werner's wifi driver fixes, it'll probably work better than the internal one. |
| 20:43.03 | Dave | :| |
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| 20:43.22 | kd8ikt | he still messing with spi |
| 20:43.24 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 20:43.31 | mwester-laptop | and interrupts |
| 20:43.44 | kd8ikt | wonder what that will change |
| 20:44.13 | kd8ikt | i havent really had any wifi problems adhoc and managed work fine for me |
| 20:44.40 | mwester-laptop | I use WPA, and it's never held an association for more than a few minutes :( |
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| 20:45.22 | kd8ikt | hm i blame the router ;) |
| 20:45.28 | Dave | heh |
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| 20:47.03 | kd8ikt | if [ router=openwrt ] then echo no problem ; elsif echo fail ; done |
| 20:47.14 | kd8ikt | or is that fi? |
| 20:47.19 | laen | Same problem here, but weird enough.. using wpa_supplicant on debian is stable as hell, never lose wireless connection. |
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| 20:51.26 | kd8ikt | ok wtf i'm playing with the daily builds from openmoko and gtk apps are HUGE |
| 20:51.43 | slaxxin | what |
| 20:52.12 | slaxxin | ok the resolution? |
| 20:52.15 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, Larger than they used to be? |
| 20:52.21 | kd8ikt | dunno |
| 20:52.37 | kd8ikt | hey ken |
| 20:52.45 | Dave | Ken! |
| 20:52.48 | Dave | :) |
| 20:52.48 | kd8ikt | love orrery colors |
| 20:52.49 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, Hi! |
| 20:53.03 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, Thanks! |
| 20:53.08 | kd8ikt | NP! |
| 20:53.24 | KenYoung | Hi Dave too. |
| 20:53.24 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 20:54.27 | kd8ikt | oh yeah i'm emailing marcus about tangogps |
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| 21:02.56 | PinDemon | ppl... |
| 21:03.18 | PinDemon | how do I reduce text size? I'm using 2008.11 |
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| 21:10.13 | slaxxin | where did u get 2008.11? |
| 21:10.24 | laen | daily i guess? |
| 21:10.29 | slaxxin | oo |
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| 21:18.44 | PinDemon | no.... |
| 21:18.51 | PinDemon | I've downloades once it camed out |
| 21:19.07 | PinDemon | downloaded it |
| 21:20.00 | kd8ikt | so whats the big stink about nomore images again? |
| 21:20.08 | kd8ikt | mp3 |
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| 21:20.29 | kd8ikt | some1 trying to sue om? |
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| 21:22.09 | slaxxin | shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 21:22.48 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 21:23.08 | kd8ikt | speak of the devil i'm flashing that right now |
| 21:23.08 | slaxxin | i had the glib one |
| 21:23.13 | Dave | cool |
| 21:23.43 | slaxxin | let the love flow through you |
| 21:23.54 | slaxxin | Dave |
| 21:25.01 | Dave | ;D |
| 21:25.05 | slaxxin | did u flash the glib or the one i just pasted or might they be the same? |
| 21:25.20 | kd8ikt | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 21:25.32 | kd8ikt | so... your guess is as good as mine |
| 21:25.54 | kd8ikt | think they are all glib |
| 21:25.54 | Dave | bears with tech... not a good combination |
| 21:26.22 | KenYoung | A chilling vision of the future |
| 21:26.40 | Dave | :) |
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| 21:35.17 | kd8ikt | note to self on shr first boot dont select scaleable |
| 21:35.51 | q0b | hi! are there news for the WSOD (white screen of death after resume) .. or is there a properitary patch for that.. ? |
| 21:36.00 | Dave | :D |
| 21:36.21 | kd8ikt | although a desktop/enlightenment wm is cool but on a phone is lame and combersome |
| 21:36.41 | TAsn | kd8ikt, hehe I think it happened to everyone at least once |
| 21:36.49 | TAsn | (choosing something other than illume) |
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| 21:37.14 | kd8ikt | i liked looking at the xfce screenshots of debian |
| 21:37.18 | Tm_T | kwin+plasma is all you need |
| 21:37.52 | kd8ikt | q0b: short answer no |
| 21:38.57 | kd8ikt | long answer we were just talking about mwesters kernels |
| 21:39.19 | kd8ikt | http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html |
| 21:39.22 | Tm_T | nooo! no kernels!! |
| 21:39.24 | Tm_T | hides |
| 21:40.12 | kd8ikt | scoffs at the WSOD race condition |
| 21:41.10 | kd8ikt | what? so like the black and white are fighting a race war in my phone!? guess white won consodering its a WSOD not BSOD(not to be confused with blue windows) |
| 21:42.34 | kd8ikt | you know what come to thiunk of it my laptop WSOD's on me quite often (intel) but i fix it with a quick Ctrl+F1 ; Ctrl+F7 (back to xserver) |
| 21:43.01 | kd8ikt | and that switch from console mode to framebuffer? fixes it |
| 21:43.15 | cjb_ie | so maybe if you can ssh into the phone and issue a couple of chvt's...? |
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| 21:44.05 | kd8ikt | worth a shot |
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| 21:45.57 | kd8ikt | i'd crap myself if that worked |
| 21:46.22 | kd8ikt | next will come hacks to chvt back and forth upon wakup |
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| 21:59.02 | kd8ikt | someone say something so i dont have to keep looking at the last thiung i typed |
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| 22:07.31 | spydon | kd8ikt... |
| 22:08.41 | Fougner | kd8ikt: hi! |
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| 22:10.50 | kd8ikt | know why shr likes to dim/sleep when it wants regardless of my settings with exposure and illume config |
| 22:11.29 | Dave | :D |
| 22:11.31 | Dave | cool |
| 22:11.34 | Dave | it knows better :P |
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| 22:25.24 | _underline | Hello everybody, I have a little problem running the openmoko in qemu: The Bootloader apears but, when i select boot, I can see some text on screen and after half e second the emulator reboots and shows the booloader again after some seconds. |
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| 22:35.02 | cjb | b |
| 22:35.03 | cjb | oops |
| 22:37.57 | kd8ikt | great i locked myself out of my phone |
| 22:38.05 | kd8ikt | stupid dropbear! |
| 22:38.11 | Tm_T | kd8ikt: now it's worthless, send it to me |
| 22:38.28 | kd8ikt | sure just send me 400$ 1st |
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| 22:41.30 | slaxxin | latest om testing boot really quick |
| 22:42.14 | slaxxin | 4 swipes of the irish chamois an were done |
| 22:45.32 | henkie | hmm, using the FSO m4 i am unable to register my sim :( |
| 22:47.31 | lindi- | _underline: read what the boot loader prints to serial |
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| 22:47.59 | henkie | and why is dfu-util slow as something real slow? |
| 22:48.32 | slaxxin | 20 minuits? |
| 22:49.18 | slaxxin | thats about as long as it takes to put slackware full on a desktop |
| 22:49.32 | henkie | my nokia phone support "external sim" it would be real nice if the FR would support this |
| 22:49.47 | henkie | saves switching my sim all the time :) |
| 22:50.24 | kd8ikt | usb 1 |
| 22:50.31 | henkie | 20 mins is a lot |
| 22:50.40 | henkie | usb 1 can do 12mbit |
| 22:50.42 | slaxxin | maybe nokia can be talked into supporting that for us |
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| 22:54.12 | q0b | is there a mirror for the ms4 image.. or can someone provide me a md5sum for the openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 file? |
| 22:54.28 | kd8ikt-phone | ;) |
| 22:55.07 | henkie | 832e100992345444b44625962e2df1b4 openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 22:55.08 | slaxxin | i have the file just no md5sum |
| 22:55.52 | q0b | nice.. thx.. |
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| 23:01.02 | _underline | lindi-: now im running the script with -serial stdio now I can see the promt of the uboot 'GTA01Bv4 #' unfortunately it doesn't print anything unusual to the serial: please see http://pastebin.ch/604 |
| 23:03.52 | lindi- | _underline: you need to set console to serial |
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| 23:06.15 | _underline | lindi-: I did so: [AUX] [AUX] [Power] then I get the Message to Press [AUX] again to return to main, I do so, then i Press [Power] on Boot -> the result in pastebin |
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| 23:07.38 | lindi- | _underline: hmm, what if you boot by entering commands over serial? |
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| 23:12.09 | slaxxin | what would be the correct path/way to use tangomaps from debian on sdcard with tangogps under shr on flash? |
| 23:12.15 | _underline | lindi-: looks way better, but the next error now is he cannot find the rootfs... http://pastebin.ch/605 |
| 23:12.40 | lindi- | _underline: ok so linux boots |
| 23:13.19 | _underline | lindi-: manualy over serial: yes |
| 23:13.22 | lindi- | _underline: i think you can pass options to linux to make it log to serial? |
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| 23:13.32 | lindi- | _underline: console=ttyS0 or something? |
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| 23:26.52 | _underline | lindi-: seems as it has problems to mount the sd image. I will have a closer look at this tomorow, maybe build the sd immage by hand... thanks for you help! |
| 23:27.49 | undrwater | what happened with milestone 4 images? |
| 23:28.11 | kd8ikt | fart in the wind |
| 23:28.47 | mwester | undrwater: patent trolls. |
| 23:28.49 | Dave | hah |
| 23:28.57 | Dave | mwester - really? |
| 23:29.02 | undrwater | i haven't noticed anything in the mailing lists about it tho either |
| 23:29.16 | undrwater | maybe searching wrong |
| 23:29.38 | mwester | fso also contained (past tense) mp3 technology, so it cannot be hosted by an Openmoko server. |
| 23:30.08 | kd8ikt | you saying lame is proprietary? |
| 23:30.24 | lindi- | you need a patent license to sell lame |
| 23:30.38 | kd8ikt | thats fricken lame |
| 23:30.38 | lindi- | in usa at least |
| 23:30.43 | Dave | haha |
| 23:30.49 | lindi- | who needs it anyway since we have vorbis |
| 23:30.54 | Dave | so they purged the latest fso release because of this, too? |
| 23:31.08 | mwester | of course. the rules are simple. |
| 23:31.15 | kd8ikt | everybody throwout your mp3's and/or convert them to vorbis or somethin flac |
| 23:31.32 | mwester | Openmoko cannot have any mp3 technology in anything that can be shipped by them, or downloaded from them. |
| 23:31.51 | undrwater | wow... |
| 23:31.53 | mwester | Of course, any OTHER hosting site that might offer MS4 images may not have those same restrictions....... |
| 23:31.55 | kd8ikt | so gstreamer-mp3 is illegal? |
| 23:32.12 | undrwater | mplayer? |
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| 23:32.37 | mwester | I'm not a lawyer. |
| 23:32.37 | Wonka | mp3 technology or mp3 encoding technology only? |
| 23:32.44 | kd8ikt | that sux |
| 23:32.56 | Wonka | kd8ikt: not being a lawyer? ;) |
| 23:33.14 | mwester | Dunno. Google will probably have lots to say, Om is not the first company to come up against the patent trolls. |
| 23:33.15 | Dave | :p |
| 23:33.19 | Wonka | but then, halliburton tried to patent patent trolling... |
| 23:33.27 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 23:33.28 | Dave | Wonka, I heard it was specifically related to the mp3 decoding |
| 23:33.29 | nemik | Wonka: encoding and decoding |
| 23:33.49 | Wonka | let them f*** the patent trolls :) |
| 23:33.50 | mwester | I'm just commenting on what I've learned (which is much, because I knew nothing of this until zecke explained the basic issue to me). |
| 23:34.09 | kd8ikt | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7dp3f/patent_trolls_causing_problems_for_openmoko/ |
| 23:34.15 | Wonka | got another game to play atm, am trying to patch an openmoko 2.6.24 kernel up to 2.6.27 |
| 23:35.15 | mwester | But I'll certainly stop by saying that I'm glad I'm not a lawyer, and I'm also glad that there are alternatives to mp3s... and I'll not be using mp3s whereever possible going forward (you know what they say: Don't Feed The Trolls!) |
| 23:35.37 | mwester | Wonka: I think that's the wrong way to go. |
| 23:35.59 | mwester | Wonka: you should start by downloading the Om kernel branch for the latest kernel, and then patch that to make it work. |
| 23:37.59 | Wonka | mwester: mmh... i somehow assumed "they" just didn't look into 2.6.27 for some reason... |
| 23:38.10 | mwester | skipped it. |
| 23:38.49 | kd8ikt | mwester sofar your stable hasnt WSOD'd on me and its blanked on and off for awhile dunno about suspend |
| 23:39.01 | kd8ikt | <shr> |
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| 23:39.17 | mwester | 2.6.24 -> 2.6.26 where a lot of suspend/resume work was done -> tracking where things seem to be heading to go upstream. I'm pretty sure that the tracking branch is tracking 2.6.28 at this time. |
| 23:39.37 | mwester | kd8ikt: the unstable gta02 or the stable gta02 version? |
| 23:39.57 | Wonka | 2.6.27 is a very fine base for nearly anything because of the long term support it's going to get... |
| 23:40.07 | kd8ikt | stable gta02 |
| 23:40.35 | Wonka | but then, i'd like to get more into kernel stuff... |
| 23:40.49 | mwester | Stable doesn't have Harald's power-reduction patches, and its those patches that trigger the WSoD on unblank on some GTA02s... :) |
| 23:40.51 | kd8ikt | or mkv/mka (audio/video format) |
| 23:41.05 | Kensan | mwester: stable-tracking is tracking rmk-next |
| 23:41.29 | kd8ikt | i have like the 1st batch gta02v5 |
| 23:41.34 | Wonka | is git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6 |
| 23:41.46 | Wonka | the current branch? |
| 23:42.08 | kd8ikt | been here since july ;) |
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| 23:43.00 | kd8ikt | crap was that this year? gotta give props to everybody its only been like 4-5 months |
| 23:43.33 | kd8ikt | i think om needs a hug |
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| 23:44.27 | _froeschli | \leave |
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| 23:45.52 | Kensan | Wonka: you should base your work ontop of stable-tracking |
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| 23:46.37 | Kensan | Wonka: see http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary there's a small description |
| 23:46.56 | Wonka | Kensan: just saw it, thanks |
| 23:48.07 | Derick | hei... I was trying to install FSO MS4... but there is no jffs at http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ ? Any idea where they might be located? |
| 23:48.20 | mokel | they have been removed due to mp3 issue |
| 23:48.25 | undrwater | we need to add a topic ;) |
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| 23:48.39 | lindi- | fortunately debian never distributed lame in the first place :) |
| 23:48.39 | mokel | i am looking for it, too so if anyone has it, please upload it somewhere |
| 23:48.49 | kd8ikt | try downloads.freesmartphone.org |
| 23:48.58 | kd8ikt | testing images |
| 23:48.59 | Derick | kd8ikt: k |
| 23:49.27 | mokel | i tried, not that good the actual image |
| 23:49.52 | Derick | i don't see the illume one there though :/ |
| 23:49.52 | kd8ikt | i like the zhone background ;) |
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| 23:50.18 | kd8ikt | it uses illume IIRC |
| 23:50.25 | Derick | k |
| 23:50.26 | mokel | no one has the original fso ms4? |
| 23:50.37 | kd8ikt | i do |
| 23:50.40 | Derick | any link to "the mp3 issue"? |
| 23:50.53 | kd8ikt | but i dont think i should distribute it cause you could be the patent troll |
| 23:51.00 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 23:51.02 | mokel | lol |
| 23:51.12 | Derick | hah - no, I even protested against them :) |
| 23:51.39 | kd8ikt | dude i got it i'll just setup a tor node |
| 23:52.10 | Derick | hah, no need |
| 23:52.20 | Derick | I am on Microsoft's network here ;-) |
| 23:52.36 | kd8ikt | ... |
| 23:53.02 | Derick | they'll decrypt all of it anyway |
| 23:53.28 | Wonka | smbkill's Derick |
| 23:54.11 | Derick | Wonka: still using linux ;-) |
| 23:56.10 | Dave | :o |
