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| 00:08.41 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0ad5cf0fd878 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): debianutils_2.30: Add this version and make it default for openmoko |
| 00:08.42 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r32752f4f5a83 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: task-openmoko-feed: Add various full blown tools to escape from busybox |
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| 00:15.56 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07fso-makefile * ra1dc477dc436 10/Makefile: Removed spaces on topdir. It'll work someday, somehow. |
| 00:17.51 | kd8ikt | heh someday somehow |
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| 00:34.24 | Kagee | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.01 | Fougner | :O |
| 00:40.13 | Fougner | jonkristian: awake? :P |
| 00:40.23 | Fougner | mwester, you're alive? :D |
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| 00:41.08 | Fougner | :o |
| 00:41.52 | Dave | No, go to bed. |
| 00:42.21 | mwester-laptop | nobody alive here. |
| 00:42.29 | Fougner | mwester-laptop: :O |
| 00:42.31 | Fougner | Dave! |
| 00:42.38 | Fougner | I Kill you! =D |
| 00:43.06 | Fougner | haha, Jeff Dunham |
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| 00:45.47 | jonkristian | Fougner: yeah |
| 00:47.18 | Fougner | jonkristian: oh, surprise |
| 00:48.10 | sicu | Openmoko on a stick |
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| 00:50.13 | Dave | eww |
| 00:50.18 | Dave | it's hard and crunchy |
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| 00:52.18 | kd8ikt | tichy is br0ke |
| 00:53.37 | kd8ikt | i'm reaching the max writes of my flash chip ;) |
| 00:54.14 | jonkristian | Fougner: got the pm? |
| 00:54.48 | Fougner | jonkristian: uhm, nope |
| 00:55.09 | jonkristian | Fougner: you still need the kernel? |
| 00:55.21 | Fougner | uhm, seems so |
| 00:55.40 | jonkristian | There |
| 00:55.49 | Kagee | Where do i look to learn how to call using dbus ? (fso4) |
| 00:56.17 | Kagee | or, probably how to send the pin, register and then make a call |
| 00:56.27 | Fougner | woohooo! 15kb/s =D |
| 00:56.32 | Fougner | thanks, jonkristian |
| 00:56.39 | jonkristian | Fougner: :D |
| 00:58.20 | Fougner | do you guys use Linux daily? ^^ |
| 00:58.26 | sicu | Kagee: check how Zhone does it, source |
| 00:58.27 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 00:58.32 | Fougner | as your primary OS I mean =) |
| 00:58.34 | Wonka | Fougner: er, yes? |
| 00:58.37 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 00:58.42 | Kagee | Fougner, yes |
| 00:58.46 | Fougner | hehe |
| 00:58.49 | Fougner | just checkin |
| 00:58.57 | Wonka | Fougner: haven't used an own version of windows for years |
| 00:58.59 | Fougner | o'rly? |
| 00:59.00 | viq | Actually I use OpenBSD ;) |
| 00:59.19 | Fougner | OpenBSD, cool, isn't that kind of UNIX? |
| 00:59.48 | viq | In same sense linux is |
| 01:00.32 | Fougner | viq: then what is BSD? |
| 01:00.36 | Fougner | NetBSD and so on |
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| 01:01.27 | viq | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD |
| 01:01.46 | Fougner | viq: thanks |
| 01:02.08 | viq | It's too late an hour to type a full response to that ;P |
| 01:02.49 | ike | No way! Linux is Unix-alike while BSD or Solaris are (true) Unixes. |
| 01:03.05 | mjr | walks like a duck. |
| 01:03.25 | viq | Solaris is... different. |
| 01:04.41 | Fougner | I'll let you guys keep that conversation for youselves... |
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| 01:04.47 | Fougner | your* |
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| 01:05.34 | Fougner | everybody seems to be asleep, then I mention "UNIX" and everyone wake up ^^ |
| 01:06.25 | Wonka | https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/filedump/2008/11/15/lockdep-gta02.txt |
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| 01:08.50 | Fougner | Wonka: what the... what is that? :o |
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| 01:11.31 | ike | I've encountered black screen of death. |
| 01:11.32 | ike | ;-) |
| 01:12.12 | ike | Oh well. Enough of playing with Neo for today. Have a good night people. |
| 01:14.39 | Dave | :) |
| 01:15.28 | Fougner | :) |
| 01:15.52 | kd8ikt | no |
| 01:16.06 | kd8ikt | you must stay |
| 01:16.48 | mwester | ...you can check out anytime you like |
| 01:16.54 | mwester | but you can never leave |
| 01:17.06 | mwester | livin' it up at the... |
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| 01:18.12 | KenYoung | ... you can check out anytime you like - but you can never commit. |
| 01:18.30 | Fougner | why can't I get the usb networking to work GAAAAAAH |
| 01:19.57 | Kagee | Fougner, shutdown your firewall :-) |
| 01:20.20 | mwester | who's running a firewall on their usb networking??! |
| 01:20.24 | Kagee | i had to shutdown my firestarter to ssh to my phone. scratched my head for 20 minutes |
| 01:20.42 | Fougner | mwester, I don't know :o |
| 01:20.45 | Fougner | me? |
| 01:20.46 | Fougner | nooo |
| 01:20.47 | mwester | firestarter? |
| 01:20.51 | Fougner | I wouldn't do that |
| 01:21.01 | Fougner | honestly, ifconfig doesn't show usb0 |
| 01:21.04 | mwester | I have an external firewall; no need for any firewalls on dev systems. |
| 01:21.16 | Kagee | Fougner, then something else is wrong |
| 01:21.18 | mwester | Fougner: then you are lacking the cdc_ether kernel module |
| 01:21.40 | Fougner | haha "I know, I hack ubuntus dev-servers to get their ultra top secret open source code |
| 01:21.56 | Fougner | mwester, say what? o.O |
| 01:22.14 | mwester | Your host is a linux system or a windows systems? |
| 01:22.48 | kd8ikt | how do i get the configure wrench on asu |
| 01:23.17 | kd8ikt | i know if i change the default profile for enlightenment from asu to illume it magicly apears |
| 01:23.38 | kd8ikt | but the black enlightenment theme is starting to grow on me |
| 01:23.39 | Fougner | mwester, linux |
| 01:23.40 | mwester | kd8ikt: asu is evil. |
| 01:23.58 | jonkristian | mwester: why? |
| 01:24.14 | mwester | Fougner: Ok, when you plug the running FR into the linux system, what does dmesg have to say? |
| 01:25.04 | kd8ikt | i'm playing with the daily build |
| 01:25.49 | Fougner | [24532.080057] usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 21 |
| 01:25.51 | Fougner | [24532.259254] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices |
| 01:25.51 | Fougner | [24532.268879] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:13.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 22:b9:5e:a6:b6:e5 |
| 01:25.56 | mwester | jonkristian: seriously - ASU is eye-candy, driven by tunnel-vision marketing, without regard for what the community really needs or needed. Technically it is franken-code, taking good code out of context, forcing it to work together by means of massive amounts of the programming equivalent of tubes of caulking. |
| 01:26.21 | mwester | Fougner: Excellent. |
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| 01:26.51 | Fougner | mwester, I don't think it sounds good, but hey, I guess you're the one developing stuff here ^^ |
| 01:26.53 | mwester | Fougner: What does "ifconfig -a" have to say -- does it see an interface associeated with usb0 or similar? |
| 01:27.05 | Fougner | WTF! |
| 01:27.13 | Fougner | now it recognized it |
| 01:27.19 | Fougner | usb0 exists! YAY! |
| 01:27.36 | mwester | Might it be that you just booted the FR with usb connected, and it failed to see it then? |
| 01:27.44 | Fougner | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 01:27.50 | jonkristian | mwester: ok, i see.. |
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| 01:28.23 | Fougner | mwester, I did reboot a few times, trying different things, then I reflashed the 2008.9-kernel jonkristian sent me |
| 01:28.24 | mwester | jonkristian: personal opinion, but shared by some others whom I have considerable respect for. |
| 01:28.24 | sicu | Fougner: what distro ? |
| 01:28.43 | sicu | ah, nm |
| 01:28.43 | jonkristian | mwester: yeah, interesting to hear |
| 01:28.49 | Fougner | sicu, on tha computer or tha FR? :P |
| 01:28.55 | sicu | Fr =] |
| 01:29.01 | mwester | Fougner: There is an outstanding kernel problem that seems to have crept in, where the FR doesn't know that it has a USB plugged in at boot time. |
| 01:29.02 | Fougner | FDOM |
| 01:29.23 | Fougner | mwester, naughty... |
| 01:29.30 | mwester | Yeah |
| 01:29.43 | Fougner | so.. |
| 01:29.48 | Fougner | what next? |
| 01:29.53 | Fougner | I can't ssh |
| 01:29.54 | Kagee | Souldn't the FR be able to boot with the USB-cable connected? |
| 01:30.01 | mwester | but not worth fixing if Andy has finally beaten the glamo and 2.6.26 , 2.6.27, or 2.6.28 (whichever one it is) into submission. |
| 01:30.18 | mwester | Fougner: when you did the "ifconfig" did it have an IP associated with it? |
| 01:30.41 | mwester | Kagee: Yes. Neo works fine. Used to work on the FR. |
| 01:31.03 | Fougner | mwester, nope |
| 01:31.13 | Kagee | hmm... my FR stops at the splash screen (OPENMOKO) if the usb i attached |
| 01:31.27 | jonkristian | Fougner: running FDOM now? |
| 01:31.28 | Fougner | jonkristian: yep |
| 01:31.35 | jonkristian | Fougner: how do you like it? |
| 01:31.55 | Fougner | Duke3D is quite cool actually |
| 01:31.58 | mwester | Fougner: then you need to assign an IP to it. "ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.200" (but ONLY if no other interfaces are on network 192.168.0!! |
| 01:31.59 | mwester | ) |
| 01:32.01 | jonkristian | I switched to 2008.9 for a while, thinking about what else i'd like to try |
| 01:32.27 | Fougner | mwester, last night I changed my network to 192.168.0.XX |
| 01:32.39 | mwester | Oh dear. |
| 01:32.46 | mwester | That's bad. |
| 01:33.00 | jonkristian | mwester: So which distro do you sport? shr? |
| 01:33.45 | Fougner | mwester, hehe, someone must be f***** with me |
| 01:33.51 | max_posedon | Fougner, it isn't a very big problem |
| 01:34.24 | max_posedon | just be ready to add custom route to 192.168.0.202 via usb0 on your desktop |
| 01:34.45 | Fougner | no, I really thought I read on the wiki, "if you change you network to 192.168.0.XX it might save you a lot of troubleshooting later" |
| 01:35.00 | mwester | jonkristian: I think FSO is the future for the under-pinnings for a number of viable mobile computing platforms -- SHR is a good one. I think that when it comes to a phone (as opposed to mobile computing) Qt Extended is the current winner. Android is a strong contender. |
| 01:35.01 | max_posedon | and don't forget drop 192.168.0.0/24 usb0 route (on desktio too) |
| 01:35.25 | Fougner | mwester, I just change the network back to 192.168.10.XX as before |
| 01:35.30 | Kagee | Fougner, i have 128.34.*.* and i connect with no problems using a 4-line script |
| 01:36.08 | mwester | Fougner: you can do that, and that will avoid any conflicts betweent the two networks. But I'm interested in max_posedon's solution to this -- bridging? |
| 01:36.13 | jonkristian | yeah, qte is the only image i actually bothered adding my contacts and other stuff |
| 01:36.33 | max_posedon | mwester, no |
| 01:36.43 | Fougner | hold on guys! don't go away when I'm trying to fix my network =D |
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| 01:37.25 | max_posedon | it is just simple solution, that works, becouse "-host" route has bigger priority than "-net" in route table. |
| 01:37.44 | jonkristian | mwester: personally, i could do without all that bling stuff that fso has, it doesn't look good at all, imho |
| 01:38.10 | mwester | Right, but how can you ifconfig the usb0 interface without it adding the "-host" route? |
| 01:38.12 | jonkristian | im talking strickly ui here, in functionality, i see what you mean |
| 01:39.45 | max_posedon | mwester, hm, I didn't exactlu understand your question, but I this this in this way "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 up; route del 192.168.0.0/24 usb0; route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw usb0" |
| 01:40.37 | mwester | max_posedon: Ah, I understand. That's a neat trick, and one I wished I knew to try before I moved my entire network off of 192.168.0! |
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| 01:41.31 | kd8ikt | hey whats that lastfm app named? |
| 01:42.10 | sterfield | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up should do the same |
| 01:42.40 | max_posedon | sterfield, you should say your system in some whay where you can find 0.202 |
| 01:42.51 | max_posedon | your line doesn't do it. |
| 01:43.44 | mwester | you'd still need to do the route add with sterfield's line, but you wouldn't need the route del, I think. |
| 01:44.02 | max_posedon | hm... I agree, yes. |
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| 01:46.04 | jonkristian | mwester: would your kernel be a good choice together with fso testing images? |
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| 01:48.44 | kd8ikt | vagalume |
| 01:48.47 | mwester | jonkristian: I'm not sure yet -- I think it would be a good choice but I'm not completely sure if FSO is sensitive to the changes... althought they should be very slight as FSO follows the stable branch closely, I think. |
| 01:49.21 | jonkristian | mwester: I'll run a test with it:) |
| 01:52.29 | slaxxin | think another week will be enough time |
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| 01:53.41 | Fougner_ | I'm back! |
| 01:53.49 | slaxxin | mwester the latest SHR release i have no tangogps would u have a better kernel for that? |
| 01:55.05 | slaxxin | im using the kernel that was at the sight |
| 01:55.08 | Fougner_ | mwester, is inet 6 addr really an IP? |
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| 01:58.32 | mwester | slaxxin: I would be surprised if the GPS stuff was a kernel issue. |
| 01:58.52 | slaxxin | operator malfunction |
| 01:59.09 | mwester | Fougner_: I don't know about IPv6 stuff -- not very common in N. America yet. |
| 01:59.23 | kd8ikt | common at my house ;) |
| 02:00.55 | Fougner_ | mwester, I mean for the usb-interface |
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| 02:01.37 | max_posedon | Fougner_, you speak about desktop, or about FR? |
| 02:01.53 | Fougner_ | desktop |
| 02:02.05 | Fougner_ | the usb-interface to the FR do have inet 6 address |
| 02:02.18 | Fougner_ | should it have the usual v4 IP? |
| 02:02.28 | max_posedon | Don't worry, just ignore this. Yes it should. |
| 02:02.53 | max_posedon | better if it will be excactly 192.168.0.200 |
| 02:03.23 | viq | Yes, every interface should have an IPv6 fe80:... address if the host supports IPv6 |
| 02:03.46 | Fougner_ | ah, thanks wiq |
| 02:03.50 | Fougner_ | viq: * |
| 02:04.27 | Fougner_ | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused |
| 02:04.29 | Fougner_ | gah |
| 02:04.34 | Fougner_ | now the usb0 has an IP |
| 02:05.13 | max_posedon | don't forget your FR's IP is 192.168.0.202) |
| 02:05.44 | Fougner_ | uhm, so I should assign 202 to the usb0? |
| 02:06.30 | max_posedon | no), I just mean that ssh root@192.168.0.202 more correct command to connect with your FR |
| 02:06.47 | Fougner_ | ah |
| 02:07.09 | Fougner_ | I thought.. |
| 02:07.34 | Fougner_ | 192.168.0.200 is assigned to my laptop's usb |
| 02:07.47 | Fougner_ | and the FR still has 202 |
| 02:08.59 | max_posedon | and this is ok) Sorry if I said smth that I shouldn't) |
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| 02:09.51 | Fougner_ | max_posedon: huh? |
| 02:10.05 | Fougner_ | I'm in |
| 02:10.08 | Fougner_ | thanks for the help |
| 02:10.12 | Fougner_ | that was quite easy |
| 02:10.13 | Fougner_ | ;D |
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| 02:15.44 | doc|laptop | there's only one kernel, right? |
| 02:16.03 | mwester | I wish |
| 02:16.08 | doc|laptop | hah |
| 02:16.13 | doc|laptop | ok, so, which is the one to use :/ |
| 02:16.28 | doc|laptop | maybe that explains why qtopia was sucking for me when I last flashed it |
| 02:16.29 | mwester | if there were a simple answer to that, then there would only exist one kernel. |
| 02:16.49 | doc|laptop | hehe, is there a comparison table for the different ones? |
| 02:16.54 | mwester | Nope. |
| 02:17.24 | doc|laptop | feels like he's getting nowhere fast |
| 02:17.29 | mwester | I'm partial to the ones I build (http://moko.mwester.net/) |
| 02:17.58 | doc|laptop | looks less like a kernel and more like a teeny tiny vicious dog |
| 02:18.11 | doc|laptop | and by vicious I mean he'd lick you to death |
| 02:18.17 | doc|laptop | thanks for the link :) |
| 02:18.22 | mwester | np. |
| 02:18.30 | mwester | yaps you to death, actually. |
| 02:19.08 | doc|laptop | heh |
| 02:20.08 | doc|laptop | is this good for any distro or suited more to one over others? |
| 02:21.17 | mwester | It's specifically designed to be stable for FSO and for Qt Extended/Qtopia. |
| 02:21.36 | mwester | I don't test on ASU or FDOM, although there shouldn't be any trouble. |
| 02:22.07 | doc|laptop | ok, thanks |
| 02:22.18 | doc|laptop | going to try all of them anyway |
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| 02:30.02 | slaxxin | do u have all of them? |
| 02:30.19 | doc|laptop | not yet |
| 02:30.32 | doc|laptop | this is the first time I've touched the phone in a month or two |
| 02:30.48 | slaxxin | well downloads are down |
| 02:30.53 | doc|laptop | from where? |
| 02:31.05 | doc|laptop | i'm downloading fdom right now |
| 02:31.28 | doc|laptop | and have qtopia 4.4.1 |
| 02:32.11 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:33.07 | sicu | doc|laptop: read more here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ |
| 02:33.32 | doc|laptop | ah, yeah, saw that on the mailing lists |
| 02:33.46 | doc|laptop | stabs Phillips |
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| 03:06.19 | doc|laptop | hmmm, I'm in a cafe and using wireless, but fdom's not picking up the network my laptop's using |
| 03:06.24 | doc|laptop | anyone come across that? |
| 03:07.08 | KenYoung | Nope - FDOM sees all access points pretty well on my phone. |
| 03:07.31 | slaxxin | iwlist eth0 scan? |
| 03:08.05 | slaxxin | might look in the other settings make sure wifi is on |
| 03:08.06 | doc|laptop | I'm using mofi, will try that. Forgot to bring stylus so it's tricky :) |
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| 03:08.37 | mwester | sharpen your fingernail, or use a toothpick? |
| 03:09.01 | doc|laptop | have neither a toothpick nor nail clippers handy :) |
| 03:09.11 | slaxxin | ink pen cap? |
| 03:09.27 | doc|laptop | going to use earphone plug |
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| 03:10.02 | doc|laptop | how the hell do you backspace? |
| 03:10.04 | doc|laptop | stabs |
| 03:10.04 | slaxxin | i saw a string an a guitar pick tied to a moko once |
| 03:10.11 | doc|laptop | hah |
| 03:10.39 | slaxxin | left stroke |
| 03:10.47 | doc|laptop | nope :/ |
| 03:11.01 | slaxxin | unnn huuu |
| 03:11.02 | doc|laptop | it just highlights a term line |
| 03:11.11 | doc|laptop | fdom terminal, not qtopia |
| 03:11.34 | slaxxin | icon center right side |
| 03:11.58 | doc|laptop | I've got a . a ? a , and an up arrow |
| 03:12.03 | doc|laptop | no <- |
| 03:12.18 | slaxxin | u need the full keyboard? |
| 03:12.27 | doc|laptop | ah, shit, you've to pick a "terminal" key layout |
| 03:12.33 | slaxxin | yup |
| 03:13.47 | slaxxin | u got the 20080927? |
| 03:14.09 | doc|laptop | iwlist scan eth0 gave me no more networks |
| 03:14.28 | doc|laptop | Fat_and_Dirty_OM.200809_20081023.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 03:15.10 | slaxxin | some times a reboot is necessary |
| 03:15.18 | doc|laptop | odd |
| 03:15.21 | doc|laptop | reboots |
| 03:15.32 | slaxxin | wifi unstable |
| 03:16.29 | slaxxin | i changed my wired network to 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:18.11 | doc|laptop | hmm, second time the phone has gotten stuck on the splash screen |
| 03:19.46 | slaxxin | ooo yea shr has default sound |
| 03:20.24 | doc|laptop | now it's not booting at all |
| 03:20.26 | doc|laptop | grrr |
| 03:20.50 | doc|laptop | there we go |
| 03:20.54 | slaxxin | get ya some shr |
| 03:20.58 | doc|laptop | perhaps |
| 03:21.10 | slaxxin | i really like fdom |
| 03:21.17 | doc|laptop | i'm trying fdom :/ |
| 03:24.08 | slaxxin | fdom will come out soon after the 2008.11 release |
| 03:24.27 | doc|laptop | heh, the contacts icon looks kind of like someone giving the finger |
| 03:24.36 | slaxxin | yea |
| 03:24.58 | doc|laptop | still not seeing the network |
| 03:24.58 | slaxxin | try wifi with command line |
| 03:25.23 | slaxxin | which kernel u got |
| 03:25.49 | doc|laptop | uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin |
| 03:26.09 | slaxxin | proly need to do as the wiki states |
| 03:26.19 | doc|laptop | ergh |
| 03:26.22 | slaxxin | i dont know |
| 03:26.49 | slaxxin | unless u can hack it |
| 03:27.18 | doc|laptop | weee, crash |
| 03:27.26 | doc|laptop | oh, no, somehow pingus starte |
| 03:27.28 | doc|laptop | +d |
| 03:27.40 | slaxxin | most all fdom works |
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| 03:30.46 | doc|laptop | except wifi :/ |
| 03:30.48 | slaxxin | Some APs apparently get upset by power managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi by default to preserve battery. One user's wrt54g certainly gets upset from time to time if he connect with the FreeRunner, sometimes refusing to talk to _anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted. |
| 03:30.59 | doc|laptop | heh |
| 03:31.01 | slaxxin | from the wiki |
| 03:31.12 | doc|laptop | aye, but it's not even seeing the APs |
| 03:31.37 | slaxxin | if u read the wiki it tells u that tha older kernel is needed |
| 03:31.51 | doc|laptop | right, time to try another distro then :/ |
| 03:31.52 | slaxxin | the fdom wiki |
| 03:31.55 | doc|laptop | thanks |
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| 03:32.50 | Pyrasi | hi all |
| 03:32.58 | slaxxin | hi |
| 03:33.06 | doc|laptop | hello |
| 03:33.13 | KenYoung | Howdy |
| 03:33.41 | Pyrasi | does anyone know if the debian install has the new FSO version working? |
| 03:34.08 | slaxxin | it has some working switches above zhone now:) |
| 03:34.41 | Pyrasi | switches? |
| 03:34.45 | slaxxin | brightness,battery,gsm,gps,etc |
| 03:34.48 | Pyrasi | ohhhh |
| 03:34.55 | Pyrasi | neat |
| 03:35.18 | doc|laptop | slaxxin: what kernel are you using with shr? |
| 03:35.22 | slaxxin | its been 4 daYS |
| 03:35.28 | slaxxin | THE |
| 03:35.40 | slaxxin | ONE AT THE SITE |
| 03:35.46 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 03:35.49 | doc|laptop | erm, ok |
| 03:36.26 | slaxxin | might switch to mwesters though after a bit |
| 03:36.45 | Pyrasi | hmm...i just installed the debian distro on my 8gb card...but it is saying it cant find the kernel =/ is there still that large microsd card problem? |
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| 03:37.42 | slaxxin | did u use D_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all |
| 03:38.01 | slaxxin | SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all |
| 03:38.11 | Pyrasi | no...i installed it on ext2 |
| 03:38.31 | AntonTakk | anyone else seen an issue with the fr where the touch screen seems to be out of calibration? |
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| 03:43.16 | frankS2 | wow, im lookint at the wish list at openmoko wiki |
| 03:43.22 | frankS2 | hehe, so much stuff |
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| 04:35.37 | SpeedEvil | Every time you add a new wishlist item, god kills a kitten. |
| 04:35.49 | KenYoung | Sign me up... |
| 04:36.01 | SpeedEvil | If you implement one, he resurrects it! |
| 04:36.09 | SpeedEvil | go-go-zombie-kitten-army! |
| 04:36.27 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diclofenac |
| 04:36.29 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 04:51.11 | slaxxin | i hope upgradeing debian wont break it |
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| 04:59.34 | KenYoung | http://pics.yemii.com/swedish-dance-bands.html |
| 04:59.37 | Zakaullah | I am encountering the following error again and again during openmoko build process: "ERROR: Task 1596 (/home/zakaullah/moko/openembedded/packages/e17/illume_svn.bb, do_fetch) failed" can any body help me get rid of this. |
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| 09:39.55 | nielsle | I would like to flash FSO milestone 4 but there is no jffs2 file for the root file system. Can I use a the tar.bz2 file to flash? |
| 09:40.12 | nielsle | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ |
| 09:41.07 | quickdev | nielsle, no, you can't |
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| 09:48.22 | nielsle | Perhaps the wikipage should contain a sign saying "DRAFT: Milestone 4 has not been release yet" :) |
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| 09:49.19 | TAsn | nielsle, there was a jffs2 i don't know where it went ;] |
| 09:49.26 | TAsn | anyhow, if you already have a distro on you sd |
| 09:49.33 | TAsn | you can just boot that one |
| 09:49.39 | TAsn | format the flash |
| 09:49.47 | TAsn | and extract the tar to flash |
| 09:50.10 | TAsn | /dev/mtdblk6 or something like that is flash's main partition iirc. |
| 09:50.36 | nielsle | I will have a look. Thanks |
| 09:50.43 | TAsn | sure thing. |
| 09:51.01 | TAsn | I should really write about that in the wiki.... ;] |
| 09:51.13 | nielsle | Hehe |
| 09:51.14 | alephnull | nielsle: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ |
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| 11:08.54 | almien | what's a good keyboard for the neo? (e.g. can you get them with mini-usb plugs?) is it possible to supply power to it while a usb keyboard is plugged in? |
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| 11:10.22 | cjb_ie | almien: i suspect i'd be inclined to try the bluetooth route |
| 11:10.42 | Zorkman_ | almien: you can sypply power to it through usb, when you set the usb to host mode |
| 11:15.00 | almien | are bluetooth keyboards easy and reliable? Presumably you just configure OM once to recognise it and that persists after rebooting etc.? |
| 11:16.08 | Zorkman_ | almien: haven't tried it, but they seem to be |
| 11:16.27 | Zorkman_ | especially HID's are no problem, but someone also reported using a non-HID |
| 11:16.36 | Zorkman_ | (maybe i'm talking trash, but that's what i read :)) |
| 11:17.03 | mjr | dunno about that persisting bit, though of course everything's doable |
| 11:17.11 | almien | :( searching for mini usb keyboard doesn't work - google returns mini keyboards with usb, not keyboards with mini usb... |
| 11:17.33 | almien | so bluetooth is likely to be "more of a faff" than USB? |
| 11:17.43 | Zorkman_ | almien, on the community list they posted a few i think |
| 11:18.36 | mjr | it's nonstandard to plug in a keyboard to a mini-b socket, so you probably won't find one premade. Somebody had a batch made special of some keyboard... |
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| 11:19.19 | mjr | at least 2007.2 had a fairly easy bluetooth connection thingy that worked, no idea of the laters |
| 11:19.35 | mjr | but worst case, make a simple script yourself |
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| 11:27.59 | emacsen | One feature an OM stack should have: You have a GPS builtin, you shouldn't need to set the time zone manually |
| 11:29.03 | SpeedEvil | It's in the wishlist:/ |
| 11:29.31 | emacsen | SpeedEvil, I'm traveling, so I notice things like that :) |
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| 11:30.04 | SpeedEvil | you need a geographical timezone map, which isn't completely trivial. |
| 11:30.11 | emacsen | it's not? |
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| 11:30.23 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 11:30.34 | emacsen | ok :) |
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| 11:44.32 | almien | mjr: found the special keyboard: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716 |
| 11:45.56 | Ke | btw how does the text input work |
| 11:46.26 | Ke | does it know words or so |
| 11:46.31 | Ke | probably not |
| 11:47.06 | henk | the illume keyboard does know words. one sec... |
| 11:47.48 | henk | Ke: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_change_the_dictionary_used_by_the_predictive_keyboards_.3F |
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| 11:49.10 | lindi- | xvkbd knows words too |
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| 12:05.33 | henk | henk: Om2008-stable: is there a way to check package consistency with opkg? i think i borked some things up with illume. opkg install illume-config-illume says it is installing, downloading and then gives this error: An error ocurred, return value: 17. what could be the cause? |
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| 12:42.08 | Gnutoo | hello, I can't find the bugreport on the bad audio quality trough headphones...i've a gta02 with the hardware GPS fix(don't know the exact version) is there a bugreport documenting this problem? |
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| 12:44.15 | lindi- | Gnutoo: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=headphone%0D%0A lists two potential ones |
| 12:44.16 | Gnutoo | long time ago I went on irc...and I was told that the problme was a capacitor that acted like a high-pass filter and so it removed the bass |
| 12:44.30 | Gnutoo | thanks |
| 12:44.33 | Gnutoo | i'll look |
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| 12:45.49 | Gnutoo | I don't find this bug in it...and wow a search engine for the bugs... |
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| 12:56.29 | Gnutoo | lindi-, i saw in the wiki...for the hardware issues that the headphone problem was on pre-productions devices...but I didn't bought a pre-production device: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Known.2FAccepted_Issues |
| 12:57.06 | Gnutoo | oops...the THREAD refered to pre-production devices... |
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| 14:13.18 | Dave | Ke :) |
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| 14:55.20 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2fe0b67ab776 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add mkfontscale 1.0.5 to it |
| 14:55.20 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5b102941aa0b 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-util 1.0.1 |
| 14:55.21 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r87a43954d250 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add bdftopcf 1.0.0 |
| 14:55.22 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rbe4b261fb34f 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-alias 1.0.1 |
| 14:55.25 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rf4b0e62ac08a 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-xfree86-type1 1.0.1 |
| 14:55.28 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra67a674cd72b 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-winitzki-cyrillic 1.0.0 |
| 14:55.31 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2242bfe68731 10/packages/xorg-lib/libxfont-native_1.3.0.bb: libxfont-native: Do not provide xfont... |
| 14:55.34 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3297003b553 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-sony-misc 1.0.0 |
| 14:55.37 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r149d850fa47a 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-sun-misc 1.0.0 |
| 14:55.40 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra75e3dccca6d 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-screen-cyrillic 1.0.0 |
| 14:55.47 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1226b8e051f1 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-mutt-misc 1.0.0 |
| 14:55.50 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * refad6189fd5a 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-schumacher-misc 1.0.0 |
| 14:55.53 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6ae813d93a00 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-misc-misc 1.0.0 |
| 14:55.58 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc21ffe5a55ae 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-misc-cyrillic 1.0.0 |
| 14:56.01 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc70ac500c563 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-misc-ethiopic 1.0.0 |
| 14:56.04 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rfcb194d5100f 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-misc-meltho 1.0.0 |
| 14:56.07 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1875fcd5ae4b 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-micro-misc 1.0.0 |
| 14:56.11 | spydon | fonts to the ppl? |
| 14:56.12 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rce492ef79632 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-jis-misc 1.0.0 |
| 14:56.15 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6d2f41080cf8 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-ibm-type1 1.0.0 |
| 14:56.18 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r717c4ff7d796 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add font-isas-misc 1.0.0 |
| 14:56.21 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb02d066a2171 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add a bunch of font checksums |
| 14:56.26 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1e40726f0757 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: task-openmoko-feed: Add a bunch of Xorg server side fonts |
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| 15:04.38 | Ke | fonts make me sad |
| 15:05.09 | Ke | why couldn't we just have a system that renders text to screen in human readable form |
| 15:05.31 | Ke | not the typical ? or an empty box |
| 15:09.21 | Dave | :) |
| 15:09.51 | ronny | thats what kinda fonts are for |
| 15:10.04 | ronny | telling the text renerer hoe a character has to look |
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| 15:14.09 | Ke | ronny: not good enough |
| 15:15.07 | Ke | ronny: i would very much prefer just render the *#@^! text in human readable form -font |
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| 15:16.01 | SpeedEvil | votes for wookie-readable. |
| 15:16.09 | SpeedEvil | mraaaaaaaawwwwws. |
| 15:16.15 | Ke | =o) |
| 15:16.29 | mwester | Ke: how would it do that? Where would it get the information to know that a binary value translates to some specific image? |
| 15:17.18 | Ke | mwester: you would take system like the modern font system, but one with more than just 1 or 2 symbols |
| 15:17.26 | mwester | say what? |
| 15:17.43 | Ke | this could be done be combining all the current fonts in to 1 set |
| 15:17.49 | mwester | gahhH! |
| 15:18.45 | SpeedEvil | Full unicode fonts. You never know when a Klingon or an elf might want to borrow your phone. |
| 15:19.01 | Ke | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 15:19.14 | SpeedEvil | ponders Klingon Elves. |
| 15:19.27 | Ke | very leet |
| 15:19.35 | mwester | shakes his head and leaves this conversation that has gotten rather too silly. |
| 15:19.39 | cjb_ie | Ke: right, because i want to waste space on all my phones and computers with a glyph for every one of hundreds of thousands of unicode characters, in serif, sanserif, blackletter, cursive, ... |
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| 15:20.54 | sicu | adds wingdings |
| 15:20.54 | Ke | cjb_ie: obviously union omits N of all intersections |
| 15:21.23 | cjb_ie | Ke: there's still hundreds of thousands of unicode characters. |
| 15:21.29 | Ke | true |
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| 15:21.59 | cjb_ie | and lots of different typefaces, and weights, and text decorations. |
| 15:22.13 | Ke | this might not be optimal for a phone, but having N character sets with just tha latin characters is even less useful |
| 15:22.48 | Ke | care about decorations, typefaces, weights[ ], care about readable text[x] |
| 15:23.02 | cjb_ie | oh, and for small sizes you'll need a series of bitmaps for different point sizes so they don't look horrible. and for big sizes you'll need vectors so they don't look horrible. |
| 15:23.29 | SpeedEvil | ponders tengwar handwriting recognition. |
| 15:23.30 | Ke | probably yse |
| 15:23.32 | Ke | yes |
| 15:25.25 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * radda6cc7c361 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/sms.py modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: Rename featuremap to properties, add type |
| 15:25.25 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r7afd1b712aca 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: |
| 15:25.25 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Fix o.f.Device.Input.Event pressed and released handling |
| 15:25.26 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: We need subsecond accuracy in the timestamp to accurately detect when |
| 15:25.28 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: one second is over. |
| 15:26.23 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rde2139a6c1f4 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
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| 15:34.46 | mick_home | hi everyone, i'm debating if i shoud go w/ a FreeRunner or if I should go w/ a G1 w/ android |
| 15:36.01 | Robot101 | do you want a phone or a weekend hacking project/ :) |
| 15:36.32 | TAsn | mick_home, I'm a floss fanatic and I like hacking so for me it was a no brainer. (MOKO) |
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| 15:36.58 | TAsn | I also removed android from my moko after I tried it because it wasn't as fun ;] |
| 15:37.09 | TAsn | but it's up to you. |
| 15:37.22 | igor321 | hey dudes, anyone ever tried to code an youtube browser |
| 15:37.30 | igor321 | for our favourite device? :) |
| 15:37.52 | mick_home | a hack project that can make a phone call :) |
| 15:37.52 | mick_home | i'm a developer |
| 15:37.52 | mick_home | i want something that has wifi where i ca write apps for |
| 15:37.52 | mick_home | something that can ssh home :) |
| 15:37.52 | mick_home | something like a Zaurus -- that can make a phone call |
| 15:37.58 | TAsn | you mean a flash player? ;] |
| 15:38.13 | mick_home | lol :) |
| 15:38.21 | TAsn | mick_home, that's what I wanted and that's why I bought a moko |
| 15:38.31 | TAsn | though you gotta be committed ;] |
| 15:38.40 | mick_home | i was even thinking of buying both |
| 15:39.07 | TAsn | if you can afford it |
| 15:39.11 | mick_home | i don't mind incomplete features |
| 15:39.11 | TAsn | why not. ;] |
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| 15:39.29 | TAsn | I actually enjoy my moko a lot. |
| 15:39.32 | TAsn | I really do. |
| 15:40.01 | mick_home | i'm not sure how easy it is to hack on a G1 |
| 15:40.13 | mick_home | if they do any HW DRM crap |
| 15:40.32 | Dave | : |
| 15:40.36 | Dave | :| |
| 15:40.44 | TAsn | mick_home, G1 sucks in that matter |
| 15:40.51 | Dave | We have enough IPhones already, thanks. |
| 15:40.53 | TAsn | it's linux with drm without the gnu. ;] |
| 15:41.01 | TAsn | exactly. |
| 15:41.02 | Dave | gnuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 15:41.12 | Dave | :P |
| 15:42.04 | mwester | but the worst part is that you have to code in java with Android. |
| 15:42.15 | mwester | Ick. |
| 15:42.19 | CVirus | java is not that bad |
| 15:42.20 | Dave | :( |
| 15:42.25 | Dave | It's not? |
| 15:42.26 | CVirus | except when it comes to crappy performance |
| 15:42.34 | Dave | and memory footprint! |
| 15:42.48 | CVirus | which means that it's extremely retarded to use java on embedded devices |
| 15:42.53 | Dave | Yes! |
| 15:43.02 | CVirus | which means that android is retarded as well |
| 15:43.06 | Dave | :( |
| 15:43.57 | TAsn | CVirus, android is super retarded. ;] |
| 15:44.13 | TAsn | though the moko port actually runs as smooth as it gets |
| 15:44.22 | TAsn | because everything is clean and optimized |
| 15:44.25 | CVirus | I'm buying an android in a few months though ... I'm a mainstream whore :-) |
| 15:44.26 | TAsn | iirc no X |
| 15:44.40 | TAsn | dope. ;\ |
| 15:44.47 | TAsn | ;] |
| 15:44.51 | mwester | give 10 demerits to CVirus |
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| 15:44.57 | CVirus | LOL |
| 15:45.08 | TAsn | I'm NOT buying android unless it will be the last phone out there |
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| 15:45.46 | TAsn | although I would take the android over the iphone any day. |
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| 15:45.52 | CVirus | sure thing |
| 15:46.10 | TAsn | so you are not a real mainstream whore ;] |
| 15:46.13 | CVirus | I haven't been following OM for sometime now |
| 15:46.23 | TAsn | CVirus, do you own one? |
| 15:46.26 | CVirus | not yet |
| 15:46.33 | TAsn | yet? |
| 15:46.34 | XorA | buy android because there is already a good linux kernel for the hardware :-) |
| 15:46.43 | CVirus | TAsn: planning to buy one soon for my bachelor project |
| 15:46.51 | CVirus | TAsn: it'll either be an android or OM |
| 15:46.56 | mwester | gives *another* 10 demerits to CVirus |
| 15:46.58 | TAsn | I c. ;] |
| 15:47.03 | CVirus | LOL |
| 15:47.06 | Dave | :D |
| 15:47.11 | mwester | XorA: You mean by the G1? |
| 15:47.18 | mwester | er, buy even. |
| 15:47.20 | CVirus | mwester: after following OM for over 1.5 year .. I'm frustrated |
| 15:47.27 | mwester | me too. |
| 15:47.34 | XorA | mwester: well I was going to avoid the G1, never buy version 1 rule :-) |
| 15:47.42 | mwester | but it's still got the most potential, CVirus |
| 15:47.48 | CVirus | it does |
| 15:48.02 | mwester | XorA: :) I agree... I have a neo after all ;) |
| 15:48.04 | TAsn | actually, there was a lot of improvement in the last couple of day. |
| 15:48.19 | TAsn | *couple of months |
| 15:48.20 | TAsn | ;] |
| 15:48.25 | XorA | G2 should be around the time my contract renews anyway |
| 15:48.28 | mwester | TAsn is right -- major progress on the kernel WSoD bug. |
| 15:48.29 | TAsn | the framework really has potential |
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| 15:48.35 | XorA | means I get one for free |
| 15:48.38 | CVirus | mwester: thanks to you :-) |
| 15:48.48 | mwester | CVirus: nope, that was Andy. |
| 15:48.55 | CVirus | oh |
| 15:49.11 | mwester | XorA: but you have to renew your contract, right? |
| 15:49.35 | mwester | doesn't think they sell G1's without contracts here. :( |
| 15:49.54 | Dave | Xora - hah! :p |
| 15:50.18 | XorA | mwester: I like my contract |
| 15:50.18 | mwester | Actually, there's been some good progress on Linux on the Treo 650, and it looks like getting FSO to run on that is a very real possibility. |
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| 15:51.27 | TAsn | mwester, I really think the fso guys should first finish with the moko ;] |
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| 15:51.32 | Kensan | mwester: how come? I remember raster complaining about memory usage. |
| 15:51.45 | TAsn | though im biased |
| 15:52.25 | mwester | Yep, not much memory. So it might not be much of the framework, and it might be a bit slow. but at least the hardware is solid. |
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| 15:53.21 | mwester | I'm a big believer in giving the developers "last year's hardware" --- it makes them keep the code tight and clean and performing well. |
| 15:53.38 | SpeedEvil | s/year/decade/ |
| 15:53.39 | mickeyl | :) |
| 15:53.39 | Kensan | ack |
| 15:53.47 | Dave | :) |
| 15:53.49 | mickeyl | stows his gta04 away |
| 15:53.54 | Kensan | hehehe |
| 15:54.00 | TAsn | hehe ;] |
| 15:54.05 | mickeyl | grabs his SL-5500 |
| 15:54.13 | SpeedEvil | And they have to program on ASR/33s. |
| 15:54.22 | mwester | Yeah |
| 15:54.31 | Kensan | mickeyl: so gta04 is so big, one has to stow it away? ;) |
| 15:54.43 | mickeyl | ya, it's huuuuuuuuge |
| 15:54.44 | mwester | I bet you wouldn't see "SPANK SPANK SPANK... etc" if that was printed on an ASR/33! |
| 15:54.51 | mickeyl | full size keyboard makes a difference |
| 15:55.04 | mwester | hehe! but easier to type on! |
| 15:55.09 | TAsn | mickeyl, wait, there's already a gta04 beta? |
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| 15:55.16 | Kensan | mickeyl: haha nice |
| 15:55.22 | SpeedEvil | mick_hom1: yeah - but making it a full-size cathedral organ keyboard was an odd decision. |
| 15:56.03 | Kensan | thus thee rumors was starteth |
| 15:56.04 | mwester | hmmm... midi on a phone? |
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| 15:56.53 | CVirus | wsod is related to the phone's temperature ??! |
| 15:56.53 | Lijian | What's the time in America now? |
| 15:57.00 | TAsn | im updating the wiki... ;] |
| 15:57.36 | Lijian | Please,what's the time in America? |
| 15:57.42 | mwester | Lijian: pick one: 8AM, 9AM, 10AM, or 11AM -- and 8:30AM in Newfoundland. |
| 15:57.50 | Dave | :D |
| 15:57.59 | mick_hom1 | Lijian: america is big |
| 15:58.04 | CVirus | hehe |
| 15:58.13 | mick_hom1 | 11am in EST |
| 15:58.24 | Lijian | Thanks, |
| 15:58.24 | Lijian | (11:57:42 PM) mwester: Lijian: pick one: 8AM, 9AM, 10AM, or 11AM -- and 8:30AM in Newfoundland. |
| 15:58.24 | Lijian | Look My time! |
| 15:58.52 | mick_hom1 | in india? |
| 15:58.54 | mwester | The world is even bigger. :) |
| 15:59.03 | Lijian | in CHINA |
| 15:59.06 | mick_hom1 | ah |
| 15:59.35 | mick_hom1 | my fiance is from india |
| 15:59.45 | mick_hom1 | so i know the time there is ~ the same |
| 16:00.19 | mick_hom1 | though, something tells me you guys (in asia) have a better selection of phones that we do in the states |
| 16:00.29 | Dave | :O |
| 16:00.43 | Dave | teh cn! |
| 16:00.53 | Dave | mickey, no doubt |
| 16:01.51 | mickeyl | senses a tab completion error |
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| 16:02.07 | mickeyl | just for the records: mick_hom1 != mickeyl |
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| 16:03.15 | slaxxin | no news is bad news today |
| 16:06.03 | Dave | oh :p |
| 16:06.07 | Dave | sorry mickey :D |
| 16:06.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | mickeyl: moin from DocS |
| 16:07.43 | Dave | Joerg \o/ |
| 16:07.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | Cyawn* |
| 16:08.08 | Dave | openyawn? |
| 16:08.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | gnnn, need coffee |
| 16:09.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | C=sh-c, *=fn-c |
| 16:10.35 | Dave | DOES NOT COMPUTE |
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| 16:19.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | that's exotic math |
| 16:19.16 | ronny | anyone got an idea how to run the buildk with mokomakefile on ubuntu 8.10 ? it refuses to compile qemu due the gcc 3.x lack |
| 16:20.26 | mwester | disable locale generation |
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| 16:33.11 | quickdev | Ainulindale, build is fine for you now? |
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| 16:42.05 | mick_home | can someone tell me: 1) does the freerunner have wifi 2) how is the battery life 3) can i keep my phone # (I'm in the US - using verizon now). What carriers can it be used on? |
| 16:43.06 | slaxxin | att tmobile |
| 16:43.19 | CVirus | it can be used with ANY carrier |
| 16:43.27 | CVirus | and yes it has wifi |
| 16:43.29 | mwester | 1) Yes 2) poor at present but improving 3) yes 4) t-mobile and AT&T |
| 16:43.37 | CVirus | huh ? |
| 16:43.48 | CVirus | wtf ? |
| 16:43.49 | mick_home | cool |
| 16:43.55 | slaxxin | gsm 850 gsm |
| 16:44.28 | CVirus | I don't get it |
| 16:44.36 | mwester | Don't get what? |
| 16:44.45 | slaxxin | wifi basicily does not work correctly yet?) |
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| 16:45.39 | slaxxin | CViruys what u been readin man |
| 16:45.46 | mick_home | and to confirm -- it really can make a phone call - right? ;) |
| 16:45.54 | slaxxin | yup |
| 16:45.59 | mwester | sometimes. |
| 16:46.07 | slaxxin | 5 different oss |
| 16:46.08 | mwester | And sometimes the other party can actually talk to you. |
| 16:46.19 | TAsn | mwester, the bat life isn't really that bad. |
| 16:46.32 | slaxxin | 24 hours on SHR |
| 16:46.40 | TAsn | slaxxin, with suspend? |
| 16:46.44 | mick_home | mwester: were you kidding or not? |
| 16:46.45 | slaxxin | maybe more |
| 16:46.53 | TAsn | charging at the end of each day is reasonable |
| 16:47.02 | TAsn | I don't charge my moko more than once a day |
| 16:47.03 | slaxxin | for noqw |
| 16:47.05 | TAsn | also using shr. |
| 16:47.16 | mwester | mick_home: it is *very* close now to being able to be used as a primary phone, but it is not yet ready for that. |
| 16:47.18 | TAsn | and I actually don't have to charge it everyday |
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| 16:47.36 | TAsn | mwester, only because the lack of pypimd ;] |
| 16:47.41 | mick_home | ok -- well my old phone fell in the water |
| 16:47.49 | TAsn | damn where's abraxa when you need him?! ;] |
| 16:47.49 | mick_home | so i need a new one |
| 16:47.50 | slaxxin | im ready for 2008.11 |
| 16:47.53 | mwester | mick_home: there are some remaining issues, most of which can be worked around in software, but some of them are hardware related and they are difficult to fix. |
| 16:48.06 | mick_home | i'm ok w/ beta software |
| 16:48.10 | TAsn | mwester, what's hw related? |
| 16:48.11 | CVirus | mwester: FR works with t-mobile and AT&T only ? |
| 16:48.18 | mwester | TAsn: you're serious? |
| 16:48.32 | mwester | CVirus: yes - AT&T and T-Mobile are the only GSM carriers in the US |
| 16:48.38 | Dave | :) |
| 16:48.41 | TAsn | mwester, buzzing? ;] |
| 16:48.43 | mwester | Sad, isn't it? |
| 16:48.49 | mwester | TAsn: Yes, that's a HUGE one. |
| 16:48.55 | TAsn | hehe |
| 16:48.57 | CVirus | mwester: the 900MHz version works with any other carrier ... right ? |
| 16:49.00 | mick_home | what phone related issues are there? |
| 16:49.04 | TAsn | and gps fix ? |
| 16:49.05 | TAsn | ;] |
| 16:49.14 | TAsn | actually gps works great for me. |
| 16:49.15 | slaxxin | not in the usa |
| 16:49.20 | mwester | TAsn: GSM modem firmware bugs 666, 1024 -- no fix released yet, but we might be able to get a fix for that in the future. |
| 16:49.39 | slaxxin | tasn u got mwesters kernel? |
| 16:49.49 | TAsn | on shr? |
| 16:49.53 | slaxxin | yes |
| 16:49.56 | TAsn | maybe, I got the default one ;] |
| 16:49.57 | quickdev | when 1024 is fixed battery time will be much longer on SHR |
| 16:49.59 | TAsn | so i guess not. |
| 16:50.01 | mwester | mick_home: there's no definitive list, you'll have to catch up by reviewing the mailing lists I suspect. |
| 16:50.08 | TAsn | what differences are there? |
| 16:50.14 | mick_home | i mean, are there that many? :) |
| 16:50.18 | mwester | Yes. |
| 16:50.23 | mick_home | ouch :-/ |
| 16:50.24 | slaxxin | how did u get gps to work? |
| 16:50.34 | mwester | Like I said, it's not yet ready for use as a primary phone for most people. |
| 16:50.36 | TAsn | quickdev, can you gimme a link to the bugs? (too many bug trackers) |
| 16:50.52 | mwester | But it's a lot of fun to work to get it ready to be a primary phone. |
| 16:50.56 | TAsn | slaxxin, tapped the tangogps icon ;] |
| 16:51.03 | TAsn | I got hw fix for the gps |
| 16:51.14 | slaxxin | mine hasnt worked at all |
| 16:51.21 | mwester | has found the software workarounds adequate for the GPS problem. |
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| 16:52.12 | slaxxin | so where is the software workaround? |
| 16:52.19 | mwester | slaxxin: if you can't get a GPS fix after 20 - 30 minutes outside with the SD card removed, then you may have one of the units that had a bad solder joint on the internal GPS antenna. |
| 16:52.36 | mwester | slaxxin: the software workaround has been in the kernel for a number of months now. |
| 16:52.54 | mwester | slaxxin: but if you don't have an SD card installed, you don't even need the software workaround. |
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| 16:54.40 | slaxxin | i dont know because fdom gave me instant gps--well almost instant --- but u could be right,, a weak solder joint can work correctly untill## bumps get it completely seperated then it works sometimes |
| 16:55.45 | mwester | slaxxin: Sorry, I thought you said gps never worked for you. If it worked once it's likely that you don't have a hardware issue. |
| 16:55.58 | slaxxin | maybe |
| 16:56.40 | slaxxin | i did switch sdcards |
| 16:57.34 | slaxxin | maybe the material some cards are made of interfers with the gps |
| 16:57.59 | mwester | sd card isn't near the antenna |
| 16:59.15 | slaxxin | so why is the sdcard have to be removed? |
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| 16:59.28 | slaxxin | bus crashes? |
| 16:59.46 | Dave | KABOOM! |
| 16:59.51 | TAsn | rf emissions near it's cables iirc. |
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| 17:03.33 | slaxxin | the sdcards cables or the gps cables? |
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| 17:10.16 | SpeedEvil | The PCB wiring between the SD card and the CPU emits RF which gets into the GPS |
| 17:10.34 | Dave | funky |
| 17:11.01 | kd8ikt | RFI |
| 17:11.16 | kd8ikt | QRM |
| 17:11.21 | kd8ikt | ;D |
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| 17:27.24 | kd8ikt | ugh wtf fdisk segfault |
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| 17:51.20 | kd8ikt | atleast cfdisk does the job |
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| 17:54.55 | Dave | huhu |
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| 17:57.57 | kd8ikt | DAVE |
| 18:04.09 | Dave | YES |
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| 18:05.38 | kd8ikt | morning |
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| 18:10.30 | kd8ikt | mwester-stable works for me sofar |
| 18:10.50 | kd8ikt | http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin |
| 18:11.01 | kd8ikt | no wsod... yet |
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| 18:20.21 | Dave | YET |
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| 18:40.53 | devdas | Hmmm, I am running the stable image preview |
| 18:41.04 | devdas | and openmoko-messages segfaults |
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| 18:50.54 | TAsn | devdas, if you are talking about shr, there's already a bug. |
| 18:52.11 | Zorkman | lpotter, are you there? |
| 18:52.18 | devdas | yes |
| 18:52.27 | Zorkman | (well, you are probably there, but are you here? :)) |
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| 19:02.48 | lesouvage | Is building from source the only way to get Android running on the free runner or are the images for the kernel and the system somewhere out there? |
| 19:03.12 | leinir | lesouvage: Sean has images on his user page :) |
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| 19:04.08 | lesouvage | Leinir: do you have a link for me? |
| 19:04.26 | leinir | i'm afraid not, but i'm sure you know your way around google as well as i do :) |
| 19:04.56 | cjb_ie | sean's a pretty common name though |
| 19:05.23 | leinir | Even when combined with android and openmoko? ;) |
| 19:05.32 | cjb_ie | perhaps less so :) |
| 19:05.39 | lesouvage | leinir: lets give it a try. |
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| 19:07.12 | lesouvage | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3#Images I guess this is it |
| 19:07.32 | leinir | That looks right :) |
| 19:07.32 | lesouvage | :-) |
| 19:08.37 | lesouvage | Has anybody of you already tried android on a freerunner? |
| 19:08.46 | leinir | Yeah :) |
| 19:08.54 | lesouvage | leinir: and??? |
| 19:09.12 | leinir | It's not so useful, really... Without a working softkeyboard, you can't really do much with it :) |
| 19:09.36 | leinir | i also didn't have working wifi |
| 19:09.38 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 19:09.51 | tomboy64 | finally undoes his highlight upon sean :-| |
| 19:10.05 | leinir | And for some reason it didn't like my sim card enough to import the contacts :) |
| 19:10.11 | lesouvage | softkeyboard is not part of Android? |
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| 19:10.56 | leinir | lesouvage: No, because the device Android was created for has a hardware keyboard - there is one coming, though, it's on the schedule for January :) |
| 19:11.48 | lesouvage | leinir: are there any positive points to mention? |
| 19:12.06 | leinir | It has a very pleasant design, and a LOT of potential :) |
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| 19:12.22 | leinir | And after the implenetation of pageflipping that happened last week sometime, it's also very fast :) |
| 19:12.45 | lesouvage | leinir: like the freerunner |
| 19:12.53 | leinir | Equivalent to qt extended :) |
| 19:13.12 | leinir | Oh, this is android on the freerunner i'm talking about :) |
| 19:13.16 | leinir | i don't have a g1 ;) |
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| 19:14.07 | lesouvage | leinir: I mean that the freerunner as a concept has a lot of potential and the device has a nice design. |
| 19:14.45 | leinir | Something like it - if you like to compare oranges and pears, at any rate ;) |
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| 19:21.37 | Zorkman | when i run opkg i always get an error message |
| 19:21.37 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.44 | Zorkman | anyone else seen this behaviour? |
| 19:22.05 | Zorkman | giovanni (http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1383083 ) posted a message about it but received no reply |
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| 19:29.03 | Zorkman | has anyone been able to use mp3's as ringtone in fso ms4 ?? |
| 19:31.47 | lindi- | Zorkman: i do with 0.2.0-git20080909-7 |
| 19:33.06 | Zorkman | he want's to play another mp3 as message-notification...., but in the mediaplayer he also plays my ringtone mp3...Strange |
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| 19:35.49 | F4t | where did the jffs2 images of fso has gone? i can see only tar.bz2 files... :-/? |
| 19:39.41 | Zorkman | dunno, it disapeared yesterday i think |
| 19:39.59 | Zorkman | seemed to be because of an offensive pic in the immage |
| 19:40.01 | Zorkman | some nekkid lady |
| 19:40.23 | Dave | o_O |
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| 19:41.04 | gurugentoo | lol I flashed that image I think...didn't see anything |
| 19:41.44 | Zorkman | gurugentoo: don't know, haven't seen it myself, but it was some strange stuff, like renaming a file to a jpeg and then you could see it or so it seems |
| 19:41.44 | Zorkman | easter egg style |
| 19:44.02 | gurugentoo | how would anyone even know to try that? |
| 19:44.37 | Zorkman | dunno, sombody of the fso team must have told it to someone who told it to someone who..L |
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| 20:08.43 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4788 10/developers/werner/fake-calup/ (17 files in 3 dirs): Calypso FW updating environment. (Wrapper script and templates.) |
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| 20:34.10 | skbohra | hi everybody |
| 20:34.55 | skbohra | I am trying to install openmoko emulator on fc9 box but ending up with errors |
| 20:35.01 | skbohra | help me |
| 20:35.43 | skbohra | some issue with gcc |
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| 20:36.03 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4789 10/developers/werner/fake-calup/ (README bin/cal-backup bin/cal-flash bin/cal-sum-installed): A few small fixes and a README. |
| 20:37.00 | skbohra | any body |
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| 20:58.02 | Guest65297 | topotangogps needs afullscreen button for fliping through diff map tilesets /osm/arial |
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| 20:59.11 | Guest65297 | that is a must |
| 20:59.51 | Zorkman | Guest65297: send a mail to marcus bauer |
| 21:00.02 | Guest65297 | kd8ikt |
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| 21:00.49 | Guest65297 | im on my fone |
| 21:01.06 | Guest65297 | fso testing |
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| 21:01.34 | Guest65297 | then again i also like om-locations |
| 21:01.46 | Guest65297 | how it works |
| 21:02.06 | Guest65297 | save locations |
| 21:02.25 | Guest65297 | data |
| 21:03.11 | Guest65297 | need a way to screenshot and sms attach |
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| 21:22.42 | Digital-Pioneer | So how does one get his hands on an Openmoko anyways? :P |
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| 21:23.57 | leinir | A freerunner? |
| 21:24.50 | Digital-Pioneer | Yeah |
| 21:25.15 | lindi- | Digital-Pioneer: you buy it :) |
| 21:25.17 | Zorkman | oder one at openmo.com or at one of the distributors |
| 21:25.21 | Zorkman | *order |
| 21:25.54 | Digital-Pioneer | lindi-: Got that part. ;) |
| 21:27.25 | Digital-Pioneer | And can I get one for any less than $400? That's about all the money I have available right now... :P |
| 21:27.36 | lindi- | probably not |
| 21:28.19 | Digital-Pioneer | Too bad. |
| 21:28.21 | lindi- | i paid 300 EUR last summer (383.52 dollars) |
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| 21:28.34 | TAsn | i paid 399$ ;] |
| 21:28.39 | TAsn | iirc. |
| 21:29.10 | TAsn | thought that's without shipment, so if you can pick it up, you are good to go ;] |
| 21:29.27 | Zorkman | Digital-Pioneer: $399 is the price on the openmokosite http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner |
| 21:29.30 | lindi- | we ordered 10 units and i think that covered shipping |
| 21:29.36 | Digital-Pioneer | Saw something that said I could put QTopia on it and get a fully-functional phone. Any comments on that? |
| 21:29.57 | Digital-Pioneer | Zorkman: Yeah, that's what I'm looking at. |
| 21:30.07 | Zorkman | +/- fully functional, still bugs |
| 21:30.08 | TAsn | lindi-, you cheated ;] |
| 21:30.23 | Zorkman | i could use 4.4.2 as a daily phone |
| 21:30.33 | TAsn | Digital-Pioneer, you can actually install android on it, which is my opinion is better than qtopia |
| 21:30.40 | TAsn | though I still prefer shr ;] |
| 21:30.51 | Zorkman | i payed 325 euro (shipping included) |
| 21:30.55 | Zorkman | or 335 |
| 21:30.59 | Digital-Pioneer | TAsn: Oh? Interesting. Didn't realize that. |
| 21:31.13 | TAsn | Digital-Pioneer, you should read more, talk less ;] |
| 21:31.14 | Digital-Pioneer | That was one of my other questions... What do you guys think of Android? |
| 21:31.22 | TAsn | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android |
| 21:31.42 | TAsn | Digital-Pioneer, I hate it, though I can't deny that it's a somehow almost working solution for the moko. |
| 21:31.49 | TAsn | ;] |
| 21:31.57 | Digital-Pioneer | Hahah |
| 21:32.31 | TAsn | And that thanks to the fact the neo can boot linux, you can actually hack it to be better than what it was intended. |
| 21:32.41 | TAsn | i.e, molest the android fs ;] |
| 21:32.57 | Digital-Pioneer | Heheh |
| 21:33.03 | lindi- | TAsn: you just need to organize to get 10 people order |
| 21:33.26 | TAsn | In my country, there are only 6 with mokos ;] |
| 21:33.56 | lindi- | how do you know? |
| 21:33.59 | Zorkman | TAsn how do you know for sure? |
| 21:34.03 | Zorkman | asked the mossad? |
| 21:34.07 | TAsn | one of which is in active contacts to be a distributor. |
| 21:34.15 | TAsn | Zorkman, aye;] |
| 21:34.35 | TAsn | j/k, I can't be sure, though it's a small country with a small open source community |
| 21:34.42 | TAsn | when something like that happens, you know ;] |
| 21:35.34 | TAsn | furthermore, the taxes here are insane and smuggling a 10 pack is harder than smuggling one |
| 21:35.48 | TAsn | ;] |
| 21:35.56 | Zorkman | just disguise it as a bomb :p |
| 21:36.16 | TAsn | hehe yeah, bombs go through the borders here quite easily ;] |
| 21:36.26 | TAsn | that's actually a pretty good idea. ;] |
| 21:36.55 | Digital-Pioneer | So can anyone suggest a decent phone, cheaper than the Freerunner? Somewhat off-topic, I'm sorry, but I'm trying to find a good phone I can afford. |
| 21:37.24 | lindi- | Digital-Pioneer: not with free software like that |
| 21:37.39 | mick_hom1 | ya |
| 21:37.43 | TAsn | Digital-Pioneer, that only depends what you look for in a phone. |
| 21:37.47 | Digital-Pioneer | That's what I was afraid of... |
| 21:37.50 | TAsn | if you want a decent phone |
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| 21:38.04 | TAsn | just buy a nokia 6120 |
| 21:38.08 | TAsn | for 40$ |
| 21:38.09 | TAsn | ;] |
| 21:38.11 | Fougner | TAsn: ! :D |
| 21:38.12 | Digital-Pioneer | TAsn: Well, WiFi is a must. |
| 21:38.15 | TAsn | Fougner, ! |
| 21:38.24 | TAsn | Digital-Pioneer, why? |
| 21:38.33 | TAsn | you can always get a nokia e65 |
| 21:38.45 | TAsn | though it depends on what you look for in a phone. |
| 21:38.49 | TAsn | I wanted a small linux box ;] |
| 21:38.52 | Digital-Pioneer | Because I don't care to use the provider's internet service. |
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| 21:39.12 | TAsn | Digital-Pioneer, s/care/want/ ? |
| 21:39.16 | Digital-Pioneer | Yeah, that's what I want too, but I'm cheap. :P |
| 21:39.27 | Digital-Pioneer | TAsn: Yeah |
| 21:39.27 | Fougner | what's up? =D |
| 21:39.46 | TAsn | Digital-Pioneer, well you have to get over it ;] |
| 21:39.50 | TAsn | Fougner, fine, and you? |
| 21:40.05 | Fougner | yeah, I'm fine thx |
| 21:40.12 | Digital-Pioneer | TAsn: Get over not wanting to use carrier's internet or being cheap? |
| 21:40.13 | TAsn | Fougner, actually built a nice tool if you want to give it a ride, useful for desktops as well for moko |
| 21:40.20 | Fougner | hehe, Tried out DukeNukem3D today |
| 21:40.26 | TAsn | Digital-Pioneer, cheap and wanting a linux box |
| 21:40.32 | TAsn | s/and/or |
| 21:40.33 | Fougner | TAsn: okay, what is it? |
| 21:40.33 | TAsn | s/and/or/ |
| 21:40.38 | TAsn | grr |
| 21:40.39 | TAsn | lol. |
| 21:40.39 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 21:40.40 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 21:40.45 | TAsn | Fougner, sec. |
| 21:40.46 | Fougner | apt: shut up ^.^ |
| 21:40.58 | TAsn | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd |
| 21:41.05 | Fougner | ~apt get coffee |
| 21:41.05 | apt | ACTION fetches coffee |
| 21:41.11 | TAsn | Fougner, give it a try and pm some feedback. |
| 21:41.39 | TAsn | it's quite useful actually, let's you run any app you want in response to any dbus signal |
| 21:41.43 | Fougner | TAsn: you're Tom? ^^ |
| 21:41.55 | TAsn | which means that if you use the framework you can actually do what ever you want with it. |
| 21:42.01 | TAsn | Fougner, it's a sceret... ;] |
| 21:42.11 | TAsn | s/sceret/secret/ |
| 21:42.12 | Zorkman | TAsn: you also want a noob to install it? |
| 21:42.12 | Fougner | haha, really |
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| 21:42.26 | TAsn | Zorkman, huh? |
| 21:42.31 | Fougner | <-- N00b |
| 21:42.39 | Zorkman | no nog, i'm the noob :) |
| 21:42.42 | TAsn | opkg install the link ffs ;] |
| 21:42.56 | TAsn | Zorkman, i want everyone to install it |
| 21:43.05 | Zorkman | check |
| 21:43.08 | TAsn | only if they send back feedback and ideas for improvement ;] |
| 21:43.21 | Zorkman | btw: TAsn: you also running fso? |
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| 21:43.31 | TAsn | btw, a word of caution only install it if you trust the mosad ;] |
| 21:43.32 | Zorkman | i'm getting strange opkg errors |
| 21:43.36 | Zorkman | :) |
| 21:43.40 | TAsn | Zorkman, shr |
| 21:43.43 | TAsn | what are you getting? |
| 21:43.59 | TAsn | if they are short paste them here. |
| 21:44.14 | TAsn | that's exactly why I wanted people to give it a try ;] |
| 21:44.33 | Fougner | TAsn: I'm runnin FDOM |
| 21:44.56 | TAsn | Fougner, sucks for you ;] |
| 21:44.59 | Zorkman | TAsn: http://pastebin.com/m6316912b |
| 21:45.05 | Zorkman | but the errors are not related to your ipk |
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| 21:45.44 | TAsn | hehe yeah |
| 21:45.56 | TAsn | /etc/init.d/siglaunchd start |
| 21:45.57 | TAsn | try that. |
| 21:46.03 | Fougner | TAsn: you mean I can't install it on FDOM? |
| 21:46.09 | TAsn | Fougner, no. |
| 21:46.12 | Fougner | openmoko's original distro :P |
| 21:46.13 | Zorkman | Starting siglaunchd daemon: (ok) |
| 21:46.17 | Fougner | :O |
| 21:46.26 | Fougner | fan |
| 21:46.26 | TAsn | try holding the aux button for more than 2 seconds |
| 21:46.31 | TAsn | let's see if it worked |
| 21:46.42 | TAsn | (hold for 2+ and the release) |
| 21:46.45 | Fougner | TAsn: why not? =( |
| 21:46.45 | TAsn | then* |
| 21:46.51 | TAsn | Fougner, it need the framework |
| 21:46.52 | Zorkman | tasn, did it |
| 21:46.59 | TAsn | do you see the terminal? |
| 21:46.59 | Zorkman | it opens the broken fso terminal :) |
| 21:47.02 | Fougner | TAsn: what framwork? :P |
| 21:47.03 | TAsn | cool ;] |
| 21:47.07 | TAsn | Fougner, wiki |
| 21:47.11 | TAsn | Zorkman, or |
| 21:47.13 | TAsn | ok* |
| 21:47.14 | Fougner | openmoko framwork? |
| 21:47.15 | TAsn | now go to |
| 21:47.22 | TAsn | /etc/siglaunchd.conf |
| 21:47.24 | TAsn | Fougner, yeah. |
| 21:47.44 | Zorkman | aha i see |
| 21:47.54 | TAsn | Zorkman, and edit in a way that will be written in the wiki in a sec ;] |
| 21:48.45 | Zorkman | :) |
| 21:48.58 | Fougner | TAsn: as I said, I'm running FDOM, do you think I can use the FSO as I use FDOM today? :P |
| 21:49.12 | Zorkman | does it use a lot of cpu TAsn? |
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| 21:49.21 | TAsn | Zorkman, no |
| 21:49.23 | Fougner | Zorkman: all of it |
| 21:49.24 | Fougner | ;D |
| 21:49.25 | Zorkman | great |
| 21:49.26 | TAsn | none actually |
| 21:49.30 | TAsn | it just idles |
| 21:49.41 | TAsn | Zorkman, sec, im editing the wiki ;] |
| 21:49.47 | Fougner | All your mokos are belong to us |
| 21:49.48 | Fougner | :S |
| 21:50.01 | Zorkman | ok np |
| 21:50.41 | Zorkman | when you get back TAsn: my openmoko.terminal.desktop and vala-terminal.desktop both have Exec=openmoko-terminal2 |
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| 21:50.56 | Zorkman | but the vala-terminal works and the openmoko-terminal doesn't... |
| 21:51.15 | Fougner | Zorkman: you're noob? =P |
| 21:51.36 | Zorkman | and proud of it :p |
| 21:51.43 | Zorkman | noobs get all the chicks :D |
| 21:52.28 | Zorkman | I found it, seems i have three terminal.desktop files, but only two display due to wrong categories |
| 21:53.05 | TAsn | Zorkman, no idea. |
| 21:53.16 | TAsn | there are probably some more settings set in the desktop files |
| 21:53.21 | TAsn | btw, zorkman |
| 21:53.25 | Zorkman | yeah already fixed it |
| 21:53.25 | TAsn | watch the wiki |
| 21:53.28 | TAsn | ;] |
| 21:54.01 | Fougner | Zorkman: yah, Me too |
| 21:54.22 | TAsn | Zorkman, well, hacking you way through the configuration? ;] |
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| 21:56.27 | Fougner | TAsn: you think I should install FSO milestone 4? :P |
| 21:56.52 | TAsn | Fougner, I actually use shr, though I think framework based distros are way cooler ;] |
| 21:56.57 | TAsn | maybe less complete, but surely better. |
| 21:57.10 | TAsn | zhone is actually quite good, especially for a demo app |
| 21:57.16 | TAsn | and the shr guys did a good job. |
| 21:57.23 | TAsn | (though nothing is yet complete) |
| 21:57.44 | Fougner | TAsn: what exactley is a framework? |
| 21:57.54 | TAsn | the framework |
| 21:57.58 | Zorkman | TAsn: i really don't agree that zhone is good |
| 21:58.06 | Fougner | finished libraries ? |
| 21:58.14 | TAsn | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO |
| 21:58.15 | TAsn | Fougner, |
| 21:58.16 | Zorkman | userfriendlyness is 0.0, doesn't wake from suspend... |
| 21:58.29 | TAsn | Zorkman, IT'S A DEMO APP! |
| 21:58.36 | Zorkman | tasn, i know |
| 21:58.40 | Zorkman | and for a demo app it is good |
| 21:58.41 | TAsn | Zorkman, anyhow, what about siglaunchd? ;] |
| 21:58.46 | TAsn | did anything cool with it yet? |
| 21:58.46 | Zorkman | it worked :p |
| 21:58.58 | TAsn | hehe you have to use it for your own needs! |
| 21:59.02 | Zorkman | i edited it to "DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 21:59.02 | Zorkman | x-terminal-emulator"=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;0=AUX$ |
| 21:59.16 | TAsn | and that's it? |
| 21:59.20 | Zorkman | "DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 21:59.20 | Zorkman | x-terminal-emulator"=org.freesmartphone.Device.Input;org.freesmartphone.oeventsd;/org/freesmartphone/Device/Input;Event;0=AUX,1=released,2>1 |
| 21:59.21 | Zorkman | i mean |
| 21:59.21 | TAsn | you can have multiply rules. |
| 21:59.27 | lindi- | Zorkman: then rip everything you don't need from zhone and write your own :) that's what i did: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/kapula |
| 21:59.28 | Zorkman | the same but with the working terminal |
| 21:59.38 | F4t | how do i convert tar.bz2 to jffs2? |
| 21:59.46 | TAsn | F4t, hey. |
| 21:59.57 | Zorkman | lindi-: does that unsuspend when receiving call? :p |
| 21:59.59 | TAsn | you have several ways to do so.p |
| 22:00.14 | TAsn | first is making a sample file, setting it as a loopback |
| 22:00.20 | TAsn | (everything is done on the pc) |
| 22:00.24 | TAsn | mounting it |
| 22:00.28 | TAsn | formating it to jffs2 |
| 22:00.31 | lindi- | Zorkman: the CPU wakes up on serial irq |
| 22:00.33 | TAsn | un taring the tar |
| 22:00.37 | lindi- | Zorkman: it is not up to the UI to wake it up |
| 22:00.38 | TAsn | unmounting the file |
| 22:00.41 | Fougner | TAsn: can I call and sms from the FSO4? |
| 22:00.49 | TAsn | and whoop, you got a jffs2 image |
| 22:00.50 | Zorkman | TAsn: it works like a charm |
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| 22:01.04 | TAsn | Zorkman, find more cool uses for it ;] |
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| 22:01.10 | Zorkman | i really like it! |
| 22:01.12 | TAsn | i actually think about making a nokia like |
| 22:01.17 | Zorkman | TAsn: SCREENLOCK! |
| 22:01.23 | Zorkman | that would be the perfect use for it |
| 22:01.25 | TAsn | power off/profile changer |
| 22:01.37 | TAsn | Zorkman, you can just use the power button for that. |
| 22:01.42 | Zorkman | maybe launching the fso-control |
| 22:01.48 | TAsn | on tap and the moko is suspended. |
| 22:01.48 | Zorkman | that is an app still in development |
| 22:01.57 | TAsn | Zorkman, i also wrote |
| 22:02.01 | Zorkman | cool :) |
| 22:02.05 | Zorkman | i like you stuff :) |
| 22:02.07 | TAsn | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Framework-settings |
| 22:02.13 | TAsn | no, not fso-control |
| 22:02.17 | Fougner | TAsn: please :) |
| 22:02.28 | F4t | TAsn, and if i have windows on my pc? |
| 22:02.30 | F4t | :) |
| 22:02.33 | TAsn | something similar that allows some control on power and gprs. |
| 22:02.44 | TAsn | F4t, you listen to what I have always told you. |
| 22:02.46 | Zorkman | tasn: you do know that your lock button doesn't work in fso-control, right? |
| 22:02.48 | TAsn | revert to linux. ;] |
| 22:02.59 | TAsn | Zorkman, i did'nt write fso-control |
| 22:03.12 | TAsn | I wrote the other app i just linked you to. ;] |
| 22:03.26 | slaxxin | anvance to slackware |
| 22:03.34 | Zorkman | TAsn: installing |
| 22:03.41 | Zorkman | but i need to hit the road |
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| 22:03.45 | TAsn | Zorkman, it's not *that* useful |
| 22:03.47 | Zorkman | maybe when i get back i'll try it |
| 22:03.50 | TAsn | though I use it for gprs ;] |
| 22:03.59 | TAsn | I should really write a change profile gui. |
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| 22:04.09 | TAsn | slaxxin, he once used slack. |
| 22:04.18 | TAsn | F4t, there's actually a better solution |
| 22:04.25 | TAsn | what distro do you have on you card? |
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| 22:05.10 | F4t | ye, exactly what im thikning about, ill boot debian, mount the mtdblock, and just copy it there... |
| 22:05.15 | Zorkman | TAsn: for wlan: have you read the power-off discussion on the mailinglist? |
| 22:05.15 | TAsn | exactly. |
| 22:05.23 | TAsn | F4t, that's my suggestion. |
| 22:05.29 | TAsn | Zorkman, no. link. |
| 22:05.38 | Zorkman | sec |
| 22:05.44 | TAsn | Zorkman, the framework-settings app isn't perfect. |
| 22:06.07 | TAsn | Zorkman, btw, if you use fso, you may also find this useful http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPhonelog |
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| 22:06.21 | Fougner | TAsn: I'm growing roots here xD |
| 22:06.25 | Zorkman | TAsn: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/11/11/4075954 |
| 22:06.27 | TAsn | it actually force disconnects everything written there ;] |
| 22:06.39 | TAsn | Fougner, read the fso wiki link? |
| 22:06.46 | Zorkman | TAsn: seems like it is best with something called wmiconfig |
| 22:06.55 | Zorkman | for *maybe* less current to wifi |
| 22:07.02 | Zorkman | just so you know |
| 22:07.05 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4790 10/developers/werner/myroot/werner: Most of my wishes have been granted. Get rid of Busybox now. |
| 22:07.10 | TAsn | Zorkman, I use the framework |
| 22:07.16 | TAsn | it's a complete shutdown |
| 22:07.24 | TAsn | or at least that's what i think it is ;] |
| 22:07.36 | Zorkman | when i uncheck it TAsn; i can still do "iwlist scanning" |
| 22:07.44 | Zorkman | and it lists the wireless networks available |
| 22:07.52 | TAsn | really? weird. |
| 22:08.02 | TAsn | thanks for the bug report ;] |
| 22:08.04 | Zorkman | TAsn: lot of other people also reported this i think |
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| 22:08.12 | TAsn | I will check that. |
| 22:08.25 | Zorkman | and i'll check your future programs :) |
| 22:08.35 | TAsn | I must admit I mostly use this app for gprs and bt ;] |
| 22:08.55 | Fougner | TAsn: it doesn't matter how much I read.. It can never reflect personal experiences with something ;P |
| 22:08.56 | TAsn | Zorkman, even better gimme some new ideas to add to siglaunchd |
| 22:09.10 | Zorkman | TAsn: i will, but really have to go now |
| 22:09.17 | Zorkman | (rotate would be fine) |
| 22:09.20 | TAsn | Fougner, that's just a bit of information about the framework that I think you should read. |
| 22:09.27 | TAsn | Zorkman, cya, and thanks for your time. |
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| 22:10.05 | TAsn | F4t, well, how is it going? |
| 22:10.16 | doc|home | I'm using latest mwester kernel with fso. Is it still necessary to remove mini-sd to get a gps fix? |
| 22:10.31 | TAsn | doc|home, actually |
| 22:10.44 | TAsn | I think every kernel doesn't require that anymore. |
| 22:10.51 | doc|home | I'm using the gps test app and getting 0 fixes, |
| 22:10.59 | doc|home | actually, I should try this on the balcony maybe |
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| 22:11.30 | TAsn | gps is intended to be used outdoors ;] |
| 22:11.43 | doc|home | pffft |
| 22:11.44 | doc|home | :) |
| 22:11.48 | doc|home | tests wifi |
| 22:12.03 | TAsn | tests bed. |
| 22:12.04 | TAsn | night ;] |
| 22:12.14 | doc|home | night |
| 22:13.51 | doc|home | hmmm, it saw the wireless network, it just borked when trying to do stuff with wpa_supplicant |
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| 22:16.38 | doc|home | yey, wifi-lint worked |
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| 22:43.48 | Dave | :O |
| 22:43.53 | Dave | ECRAVEN! |
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| 23:40.49 | Tig| | kill kill kill |
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| 23:53.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: alive? |
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| 23:59.13 | Dave | Ja |
| 23:59.19 | Dave | What's going on, Joerg? :) |