| 00:00.18 | Dave | :( |
| 00:00.19 | Zorkman | Dave is playing with your mind DocScrutinizer |
| 00:00.33 | Zorkman | he trying to trick you into unknowingly solving the buzz :) |
| 00:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: he always does ;-) |
| 00:01.53 | Dave | Joerg, have you looked at: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035490.html |
| 00:02.24 | Zorkman | aha, i found what dave said in my logs |
| 00:02.27 | Zorkman | <Dave> Joerg, i like your hairstyle, it reminds me of tables! |
| 00:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: community... hmm, you know I can't cope with all the noise anymore |
| 00:02.56 | Dave | Yeah yeah, just read that one please :) |
| 00:03.09 | Dave | I was reading it earlier and it screamed, THROW JOERG AT IT! |
| 00:03.15 | Dave | He might have a valuable suggestion! |
| 00:03.31 | Dave | Joerg, hey, it's actually hardware related :P |
| 00:03.43 | Dave | Despite the location in which it was listed :) |
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| 00:06.03 | Zorkman | nothing better to wake DocScrutinizer than some more extra work Dave :) |
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| 00:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the problem with poor design on glamo reset is well known, though seems nobody is going to address it from hw-side. BTW: how could you know about my hairstyle ? :-D |
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| 00:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | the other problems probably more related to WSOD are a little less of a mere hw-topic, as we had a long time where we didn't see any WSOD, and still we don't with fab image |
| 00:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | so obviously it's sth that can be triggered (and thus cured) by sw :-) |
| 00:11.44 | Dave | JOerg ;) |
| 00:12.08 | Dave | II see I see |
| 00:12.13 | Dave | Fine |
| 00:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: why do you comment on my hairstyle???? |
| 00:12.29 | Dave | The temperature speculation was what intrigued me most. |
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| 00:13.06 | mwester | Of course, it might just be the case that the poor sw guy who has to fix it could do so more quickly if he had the expertise of a hardware guy to help him... (Lord knows we have no progress so far WITHOUT the help of the hardware guys on this problem) |
| 00:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | I was discussing with wester on how to distinguish temp-related failure from mere incidence |
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| 00:13.42 | Dave | coincidence? |
| 00:13.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra737603223ce 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: |
| 00:13.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Introduce SMSError and use it |
| 00:13.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: SMSError will be raised if SMS parsing/generation fails. Currently only |
| 00:13.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: used if the PDU is malformed (which shouldn't happen, but does - see |
| 00:13.48 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/227) |
| 00:14.05 | mwester | I suspect the sw guys glare at the busted gta02 on the table every morning, kick the table good and hard, and then go over to the OTHER table, the one with the gta03 prototypes, and go to work there.... |
| 00:14.06 | Dave | mwester - yeah, that's what I was thinking :) |
| 00:14.27 | Dave | I was also trying to stir the pot, as you could see, mwester :) |
| 00:14.39 | Dave | :\ |
| 00:15.01 | mwester | I don't need much stirring on that topic, I'm afraid. :p But I can't do much, lacking the hardware details and the fancy tools. |
| 00:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: nah, we don't even have such a high amount of GTA03-proto to be able to do it that way ;-) |
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| 00:15.45 | Dave | I have the tools, but don't have the time or know where to start. |
| 00:15.52 | Dave | That's why reading up on the persistence of it intrigues me. |
| 00:15.57 | Dave | Though the temperature thing was kind of sketchy. |
| 00:15.58 | mwester | I still think somebody should just replace the "unblank" logic with a total glamo reset. It's horrible, and slow, and ugly, but maybe we can get beyond this log-jam of a problem and get to the newer kernels. |
| 00:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | of course sw can always call hw to help on details of how to set up registers etc |
| 00:16.17 | Dave | 2.6.28? |
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| 00:16.46 | mwester | Yeah, I know - sw *can* do that, but I think 'sw' is too busy with the gta03 and qi. JMO. |
| 00:17.03 | Dave | if I'm ever able to get a dump of the registers when it happens, I'll redirect the output to your email address, Joerg :D |
| 00:17.22 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9bba84ece35f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Ensure that self.ud is set if we receive a binary SMS/CB |
| 00:17.35 | Kensan | Dave: well let's go to 26 first albeit 27 would be a good choice to base a stable kernel on since it's going to be a longtime supported kernel. |
| 00:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: well I'm *not* sw, and helping someone who doesn't want to get any help is useless ;) |
| 00:18.07 | DocScrutinizer | dave: sure, go ahead. much appreciated! |
| 00:18.15 | mwester | I know. but you're the poor guy who has the courage to show up on IRC, so you get the trouble dumped on you! ;) |
| 00:18.25 | Dave | Kensan, I am aware. |
| 00:18.29 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r089682bb4d96 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:18.29 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: add missing descriptions and mention org.freesmartphone.GSM.AuthFailed |
| 00:18.29 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: being possibly raised for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetAntennaPower() |
| 00:18.29 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r38128f61e658 10/html/index.html: link docs for org.freesmartphone.Events from main page |
| 00:18.48 | Dave | Joerg looks for trouble. |
| 00:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: :-) you're welcome |
| 00:18.55 | Kensan | Dave: well as long as we move forward :) |
| 00:18.59 | Dave | Either that, or I'm just good at forwarding it along to him. |
| 00:19.14 | Dave | Kensan, onward, and upward (along with the WSoD)! |
| 00:19.35 | Dave | \o/ /o\ |
| 00:20.11 | mwester | has to go for a bit, dog wants her dinner. |
| 00:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | barf! XD |
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| 00:21.18 | Dave | yip yip |
| 00:21.27 | Dave | is that the sound your dog makes, mwester? |
| 00:21.32 | Dave | Speaking of which, how old is she? |
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| 00:23.54 | Dave | Hey mwester, can my puppy make a cameo on your website? |
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| 00:27.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: what's the story with hairstyle? Are you watching me from over there top of tiger-hill? there's not a single photo of me to be found on whole net, so how else could you comment my haircut o.O |
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| 00:28.07 | Dave | BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! |
| 00:29.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: only when I look to the mirror :-D |
| 00:30.56 | Dave | It's watching you comb your hair! |
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| 00:31.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | that's evidence you're kidding :-D |
| 00:32.07 | Dave | Evidently. |
| 00:32.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | otherwise you knew better |
| 00:32.35 | Dave | I know. |
| 00:32.35 | Zorkman | still, he was spot on with that table |
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| 00:33.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | or it's exactly what I want to make him think |
| 00:33.29 | Dave | It's okay Joerg, we still like you, even if you don't have any hair [left] :) |
| 00:33.49 | Dave | Who's thinking what now? |
| 00:34.45 | Dave | In other news, Joerg, if you haven't seen this already, I suggest you read it and look at the pictures :) http://search.ebay.com/120325136356 |
| 00:34.57 | Dave | Just set your coffee down before browsing :) |
| 00:34.57 | Zorkman | : |
| 00:34.58 | Zorkman | dd |
| 00:35.10 | Dave | I wouldn't want to be responsible for any accidents. |
| 00:36.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | froze my browser :-( |
| 00:37.24 | Dave | Aww. |
| 00:37.31 | Dave | It wasn't -that- amazing. :\ |
| 00:37.34 | Dave | Sorry Joerg :( |
| 00:37.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | np |
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| 00:38.06 | Dave | Try again later? |
| 00:38.09 | Dave | or so says the 8ball :) |
| 00:38.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | might try later, on "real" computer |
| 00:39.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | btw: gnnn, which coffee :-/ |
| 00:39.08 | Zorkman | you're on one of them computers that only plays animal sounds? |
| 00:39.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | N810 |
| 00:39.34 | Zorkman | aha |
| 00:39.39 | Zorkman | you like it? |
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| 00:39.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | a lot |
| 00:40.10 | Zorkman | do you like it enough to give it to me, where she will be more happy? |
| 00:40.22 | Zorkman | true love... |
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| 00:41.20 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r39476e4ff80a 10/tools/makedoc.py: tools: first stab at encoding cross-references |
| 00:41.20 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r41a0c404b898 10/html/ (24 files): regenerate everything as per tools update |
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| 00:42.11 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r88d19f0c6232 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: |
| 00:42.11 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Change repr method to __repr__ in SMS and CB classes |
| 00:42.11 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: Add some more output in __repr__ |
| 00:42.24 | Dave | hmm |
| 00:42.32 | Dave | Joerg, you irc from your 810? |
| 00:43.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, if you see the "2" at end of my nick |
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| 00:43.31 | Dave | heehee :) |
| 00:43.40 | Dave | Joerg, I've been debating getting one. |
| 00:43.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8c2342b8a2ee 10/ (html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.html tools/makedoc.py): use absolute URIs for cross-references |
| 00:43.47 | Dave | I should double check the prices. |
| 00:43.56 | Dave | Though I'd rather pickup a netbook though. |
| 00:44.07 | Dave | Joerg, is Wimax available in your area? |
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| 00:44.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | dunno for TPE. In D: no |
| 00:45.15 | Dave | Ah |
| 00:45.39 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r236730dff061 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: sms.py: Add some more PDUs and add ACKPDUs for testing |
| 00:45.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | not yet that is |
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| 00:46.10 | Dave | Okay :) |
| 00:46.58 | Dave | Let's see how much... |
| 00:48.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | bbl |
| 00:49.18 | Dave | bbq |
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| 01:09.40 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5a8ae5f84691 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): yet more cross references and error descriptions |
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| 01:19.46 | eliasp | hi |
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| 01:20.13 | eliasp | how do i use the backup of my contacts from Qtopia-4.3.2 in QtExtended-4.4.2? |
| 01:20.17 | gurugentoo | the FR is a very effective pocket warmer when it randomly comes out of suspend in my pocket |
| 01:20.22 | eliasp | i just a get a huge list of empty contacts ;-( |
| 01:20.43 | Dave | wah wah |
| 01:21.12 | Dave | joerg, I may work on a hack for a ribbon SD adapter for the freerunner |
| 01:21.29 | Dave | so we can have internal full SD internally |
| 01:22.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: kewl! keep me informed |
| 01:22.15 | Dave | Sure :) |
| 01:22.21 | Dave | I just need to get my hands on some ribbon |
| 01:22.28 | Dave | or else it won't be able to close ;) |
| 01:26.55 | SpeedEvil | Where were you thinking of putting the SD? |
| 01:27.23 | SpeedEvil | Also - you'll need to shield it or GPS will stop. |
| 01:28.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: someone mentioned using a thinner bat to make room for SD |
| 01:29.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: (gps) ack |
| 01:29.28 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:29.59 | SpeedEvil | What I want is someone to come up with a connector that lets me stack 10 microSD efficiently. |
| 01:30.05 | SpeedEvil | In a small volume. |
| 01:30.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-D |
| 01:30.43 | SpeedEvil | 80G in 10*10*20mm would be cool. |
| 01:30.45 | pjz | anyone got a pointer to the fix for Qt Extended's headset calls coming out the external speakers? |
| 01:30.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: where would you place the fan? ;-) |
| 01:31.09 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: :) |
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| 01:31.35 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. that's a point. No CS, so they can't go properly idle. |
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| 01:33.08 | doc|home | whaddyawant?! |
| 01:33.09 | SpeedEvil | Random question. Does anyone know of bluetooth software for linux to read bluetooth cameras. |
| 01:33.12 | SpeedEvil | I'm finding nothing. |
| 01:33.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: in the end, it will be more like 15*20*30 |
| 01:33.27 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: sorry. I have problems with completing. |
| 01:33.33 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: prolly |
| 01:33.50 | SpeedEvil | docS: |
| 01:34.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | :l |
| 01:34.09 | doc|home | hehehe |
| 01:34.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | :) |
| 01:34.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | me with "Fn" sticky |
| 01:34.47 | doc|home | fuckin sticky is right |
| 01:34.50 | doc|home | :) |
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| 01:37.10 | Dave | What's up, Doc? |
| 01:37.34 | SpeedEvil | passes Dave a carrot. |
| 01:37.36 | Dave | SPeedevil, bluetooth cameras? o.O |
| 01:37.41 | SpeedEvil | Dave: yes. |
| 01:37.41 | DrRabbit | ohai |
| 01:37.50 | Dave | Pesky wabbits |
| 01:37.53 | DrRabbit | :> |
| 01:38.05 | Dave | give DrRabbit a big carrot |
| 01:41.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | kids :-) |
| 01:41.40 | Dave | Yes. |
| 01:41.56 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer2: You're talking about Dave I guess? :-) |
| 01:42.03 | Dave | Hey now! |
| 01:42.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | just kiddin |
| 01:44.01 | Dave | :) |
| 01:49.15 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer2: HEY ! |
| 01:49.21 | Ainulindale | I wasn't ! |
| 01:52.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | Ainulindale: I see :) |
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| 02:06.55 | Dave | :P |
| 02:07.54 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd77e5a83cb57 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (const.py convert.py sms.py): |
| 02:07.54 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Make PDUAddress parsing/generation more robust |
| 02:07.54 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This adds support for numbers that have *#abd "digits" in them. |
| 02:08.01 | Dave | moko moko moko |
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| 02:12.42 | pjz | gah, anyone have a working gsmhandset.state for Qt Extended |
| 02:12.44 | pjz | ? |
| 02:12.52 | Dave | hides |
| 02:14.47 | pjz | no? noone? |
| 02:14.55 | pjz | bah, I shouldn't have upgraded |
| 02:15.05 | pjz | 4.3.2 was pretty stable as a phone |
| 02:15.06 | Dave | Quick, downgrade! |
| 02:15.09 | pjz | .nod |
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| 02:15.53 | Zorkman | pjz: 4.4.2 sucks allround |
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| 02:16.52 | pjz | sighs |
| 02:17.09 | pjz | okay, so what controls which speakers get used? |
| 02:18.33 | Zorkman | there's a wiki page about it i think |
| 02:18.36 | Zorkman | not sure though |
| 02:18.40 | Zorkman | gonna hit the sack |
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| 02:21.20 | pjz | also, why is there a difference in settings between incoming and outgoing calls? |
| 02:21.33 | mwester-laptop | now that's a good question. |
| 02:21.37 | Zorkman | indeed |
| 02:23.08 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r914dabcf5dc0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): |
| 02:23.08 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Move {en,de}codePDUNumber to PDUAddress.{pdu,decode} |
| 02:23.08 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This moves the functions from convert.py to (class) methods of |
| 02:23.08 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: PDUAddress which is much cleaner. |
| 02:23.17 | pjz | when I make an outgoing call, it's got low earpiece volume but incoming calls are louder and also seem to be going out the external speakers |
| 02:27.08 | pjz | so I'm good at questions. great. Who's good at answers? |
| 02:27.25 | mwester-laptop | chaos |
| 02:27.42 | mwester-laptop | That's the answer to most of these sorts of things, I suspect. |
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| 02:28.25 | pjz | hm |
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| 02:31.03 | Dave | :] |
| 02:32.14 | Dave | haha, nice job mickey |
| 02:33.23 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2a32c9747118 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: add parameter to org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetCountryCode() -> ss |
| 02:33.34 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3893dbb08b9a 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetCountryCode() -> ss |
| 02:33.35 | eliasp | does anyone know how to import the addressbok from Qtopia-4.3.2 in QtExtended-4.4.2? |
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| 02:45.34 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9b3f9054f358 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: Rename AbstractSMS -> SMS, make decodeSMS a class method |
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| 02:51.55 | sicu | eliasp: you might find some answers here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts#Import_.28and_export.3F.29_on_Om_2008.8_and_Qtopia |
| 02:52.03 | sicu | eliasp: or search the ML |
| 02:54.30 | eliasp | sicu: already read this wiki page.. the problem is: i have a qtopia_db.sqlite from 4.3.2 and although i copied it back to the same place in 4.4.2 it seems it doesn't really work, as all contacts are empty... it looks like i have to downgrade to 4.3.2, export to VCF + loosing some data, upgrade back to 4.4.2 and re-import the VCF... |
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| 03:00.51 | sicu | ouch ... a lengthy process |
| 03:01.24 | eliasp | really strange: it shows the contact names in the SMS list correctly.... |
| 03:01.32 | eliasp | the TODO list is imported correctly too |
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| 03:07.03 | Dave | eliasp: but not the contacts? :D |
| 03:07.18 | eliasp | Dave: yeah |
| 03:07.41 | eliasp | first it showed only a list with a lot of empty items in the addressbook... now it just shows nothing in the addressbook |
| 03:08.30 | Dave | yeah I had these same problems |
| 03:08.39 | Dave | With several distros |
| 03:08.41 | Dave | but also qtopia yeah |
| 03:08.50 | Dave | though I think I heard a solution in here for qtopia a while back |
| 03:08.53 | eliasp | Dave: oh, ok... and found a solution or workaround? |
| 03:08.58 | Dave | something about converting the sqlite db? |
| 03:09.04 | Dave | I don't quite remember. |
| 03:09.13 | eliasp | ah, ok... interesting.. do you remember where you read about it? qtopia forums? |
| 03:10.13 | sicu | i read something similar ... and i'm pretty sure it was in the mailing lists, but can't seem to find it :/ |
| 03:11.11 | Dave | :x |
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| 03:13.40 | weihsiu | where can i find kernel and rootfs images for om200809? |
| 03:14.16 | weihsiu | does anyone know? |
| 03:15.57 | pjz | the wiki has a poitner, I'm pretty sure |
| 03:16.28 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Downloads |
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| 03:20.04 | sicu | eliasp, Dave: i guess this is what i remembered, but still not quite there: http://n2.nabble.com/-Om2008.9--How-to-export-Vcf-Contacts-from-FR--tp1315905p1338996.html |
| 03:21.44 | sicu | hmmm, there must be an easy way of exporting that db ... |
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| 03:22.17 | sicu | ah well, FSO-SHR havn't even got PIM yet |
| 03:22.24 | eliasp | sicu: yeah, the way described above is more or same the same as on the Wiki + it causes some data loss/consistency loss |
| 03:22.41 | sicu | eliasp: sux :/ |
| 03:23.12 | eliasp | i wonder what should have changed that massively between 4.3.2 and 4.4.2 to make it not reading the contacts anymore... |
| 03:23.28 | weihsiu | its no longer available on the wiki because of some mp3 license problem |
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| 03:27.12 | sicu | weihsiu: http://download.cervajz.com/om/ |
| 03:28.27 | weihsiu | sicu: thanks |
| 03:30.37 | eliasp | still crawles the intarweb for qtopia_db.sqlite ... Google has only 4 pages of results ;-( |
| 03:30.55 | sicu | :/ |
| 03:31.10 | sicu | crawls into bed |
| 03:31.30 | eliasp | hehe, going to do this now too... its 04:31 in the morning here... |
| 03:31.38 | slaxxin | 24 hours with SHR yea |
| 03:34.16 | sicu | eliasp: same time here ... *yawn* |
| 03:34.30 | sicu | slaxxin: congrats =] |
| 03:34.44 | eliasp | sicu: have to be at a meeting at 08:30 ... this is going to be another short night ;-/ |
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| 03:35.37 | Dave | reads sicu a bedtime story |
| 03:37.26 | vininim | wtf, no more suspend for me. |
| 03:39.49 | pjz | eliasp: if you really want to find out, you could use the cmdline sqlite client to poke at the db structures and try and figure out how to dump from one and import to the other |
| 03:40.10 | pjz | eliasp: potentially very difficult, but possibly easy |
| 03:40.24 | pjz | eliasp: depending on how extensive the db schema changes were |
| 03:40.30 | eliasp | pjz: yeah, that's what i'm doing now... configuring WLAN now, opkg install sqlite3, ... then playing around with the DB |
| 03:43.27 | vininim | I think I managed to screw my events rules.yaml =3 |
| 03:43.42 | vininim | I'm not even getting orange led when charging lol |
| 03:44.20 | slaxxin | orange light flashes when battery is close to empty!!! |
| 03:44.47 | slaxxin | vininim |
| 03:44.51 | vininim | - |
| 03:44.54 | slaxxin | yu got shr |
| 03:44.54 | vininim | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.57 | vininim | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.58 | vininim | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.58 | vininim | fso |
| 03:53.49 | Dave | eh ohs |
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| 03:59.32 | eliasp | the strange thing about the addressbook issue... even when i create a new contact, it is not shown at all ;-( |
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| 04:07.59 | slaxxin | yea thats funny |
| 04:09.21 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.47 | pjz | eliasp: you probably have to restart the addrbook app to get it to reload the db |
| 04:25.03 | pjz | or vice versa, have to shut it down to get it to write the db out |
| 04:25.19 | eliasp | pjz: i did... always shut down qpe when copying/modifying it... |
| 04:25.37 | eliasp | but i'm taking now a closer look at the DB structure to see what's going on there... |
| 04:25.59 | eliasp | it looks like sqlite doesn't know anything about datatypes? it just saves strings? is this true? |
| 04:26.17 | pjz | dunno |
| 04:26.26 | pjz | could be that they just don't use any field types but strings |
| 04:26.57 | gurugentoo | does anyone's caller ID work correctly in zhone? do I need to remove and re-add them to the sim or semothing? |
| 04:27.33 | gurugentoo | i think most of the numbers were in the "mobile" number field on my old phone |
| 04:35.56 | pjz | dunno; I did notice that qt 4.4.2 doesn't seem to do contact lookups for incoming calls |
| 04:37.36 | gurugentoo | pjz: hmm, I thought that it had been implemented in zhone but perhaps not |
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| 04:40.02 | vininim | slaxxin: is lastest shr based on lastest fso? |
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| 04:45.37 | LostInspace | SpeedEvil heya you wouldn't happen to be there would you? |
| 04:47.38 | LostInspace | any of you guys have any clue why my 42: 68 s3c ohci_hcd:usb1 interrupt never moves but every other one has a changing number? according to linux-usb this is my usb problem |
| 04:50.17 | slaxxin | i dont know |
| 04:51.15 | slaxxin | the battery seemed to charge very quickly |
| 04:52.14 | slaxxin | does anyone have trouble with tangogps in SHR/ |
| 04:52.19 | slaxxin | ? |
| 04:53.59 | gurugentoo | it wasn't working for me on the most recent image, but try the mwester kernel and modules http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels |
| 04:54.10 | gurugentoo | I have fso4 working with them |
| 04:54.28 | slaxxin | how do i install those modules anyways |
| 04:54.54 | gurugentoo | extract them into the root after you boot |
| 04:54.57 | gurugentoo | then reboot |
| 04:55.09 | gurugentoo | worked for me |
| 04:55.48 | slaxxin | shr has upgrade already |
| 04:56.31 | slaxxin | new frameworked |
| 04:59.05 | slaxxin | rovan |
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| 05:05.25 | vininim | slaxxin: just now? =O |
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| 05:10.53 | slaxxin | i guess |
| 05:11.31 | slaxxin | Upgrading frameworkd on root from 0.8.4.2+gitr4+02c1d33689d3ada575a8beb45bd983c6b5c80021-r0.1 to 0.8.4.2+gitr742+81baa47011a66ad2813f0e8b6e51996827761a00-r0.1... |
| 05:11.50 | slaxxin | pluss some others |
| 05:12.00 | slaxxin | tarting freesmartphone.org framework daemon: (ok) |
| 05:12.00 | slaxxin | Configuring fso-sounds |
| 05:12.00 | slaxxin | Configuring gsm0710muxd |
| 05:12.00 | slaxxin | Configuring libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 |
| 05:12.00 | slaxxin | Configuring ophonekitd |
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| 05:25.03 | vininim | slaxxin: oh I thought about preview images, will try building it later. |
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| 05:45.49 | slaxxin | For example compiling natively is a snap w/ debian, just apt-get gcc&libc-dev (on gentoo too) and not so easy w/ om images :) (borked compiler, borked headers). |
| 05:46.13 | slaxxin | why would openmoko have a borked compiler? |
| 05:46.31 | slaxxin | that cant be right |
| 05:50.56 | Dave | Because they don't like you! |
| 05:51.12 | Dave | They try to make everything a teaching experience for the user. |
| 05:53.14 | mwester | slaxxin: because OE-based images are not built using the compiler that you download when you install the Om toolchain and SDK package. |
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| 06:59.54 | lindi- | hmm, is it really true that trac does not support searching for tickets that are open and contains some keyword? |
| 07:00.34 | lindi- | i see http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1329 about it so i guess i'll just wget all of bugs.openmoko.org |
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| 07:12.57 | shyam_k | hi with all necessary packages installed, i just ran a make qemu with the svn makefile. finally i gets the openmoko boot menu, but its not booting.. |
| 07:13.01 | shyam_k | whats that i am missing? |
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| 07:14.42 | shyam_k | as i select boot options, with a 5-6 lines of messages ending with "loarding kernel image" and then shows the openmoko logo.. then it just goes back the boot menu itself.. |
| 07:14.50 | shyam_k | what could be the problem? pls help.. |
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| 07:18.57 | TAsn | shyam_k, you are probably not waiting enough |
| 07:19.02 | TAsn | give it some more time. ;] |
| 07:19.45 | shyam_k | that by itself is going back to the boot menu.. |
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| 07:20.36 | shyam_k | and will end process as that itself will request power-off.. |
| 07:20.47 | shyam_k | i mean that will happen after some time.. |
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| 07:23.28 | lindi- | shyam_k: can you see error messages in serial console? |
| 07:23.55 | lindi- | shyam_k: can you boot the kernel from serial console without using predefined uboot menu entry? |
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| 07:37.51 | shyam_k | I think there is nothing serious info from shell "jbt6k74_command: Display on. neo_vib_switch: Buzz, buzz. neo_vib_switch: Vibrator stopped. neo_bl_switch: LCD Backlight now on. neo_gsm_switch: GSM disabled. neo_lcd_rst_switch: LCD reset. jbt6k74_command: Display on. neo_vib_switch: Buzz, buzz." |
| 07:38.56 | shyam_k | lindi-: how to run the kernel directly? i mean is there any make target for that already? |
| 07:39.21 | lindi- | shyam_k: the uboot menu entry is just a set of uboot commands |
| 07:39.28 | lindi- | shyam_k: you can enter those manually over serial |
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| 07:39.52 | shyam_k | serial console? |
| 07:39.55 | lindi- | shyam_k: yes |
| 07:40.14 | lindi- | shyam_k: make uboot and qemu talk over serial |
| 07:40.38 | shyam_k | reading about serial console! |
| 07:42.17 | lindi- | shyam_k: uboot should have menu entry |
| 07:42.22 | lindi- | shyam_k: for switching to serial |
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| 07:46.52 | shyam_k | lindi-: oh i forgot to tell that too comes automatically back to the uboot menu! |
| 07:46.56 | shyam_k | and the usb too.. |
| 07:47.04 | shyam_k | on his lappy btw.. |
| 07:47.52 | lindi- | shyam_k: yes, it goes to uboot menu back |
| 07:47.58 | lindi- | shyam_k: but after that it will talk to serial |
| 07:48.20 | lindi- | shyam_k: so just try to talk to it over serial |
| 07:48.47 | shyam_k | "talk to it over serial"? minicom ? |
| 07:48.56 | lindi- | shyam_k: qemu -serial tcp::4444,server ... |
| 07:49.05 | lindi- | shyam_k: ledit netcat -v localhost 4444 |
| 07:49.07 | shyam_k | ohhh thanks a lott.. |
| 07:49.30 | lindi- | minicom is a horrible program btw, picocom rocks :) |
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| 07:50.07 | shyam_k | yeah and i was using something for gnome months back.. |
| 07:50.18 | shyam_k | i dont remember that name..so said about minicom.. |
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| 07:51.59 | lindi- | ah, i don't usually even consider X apps if I need a terminal emulator for serial ports |
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| 08:11.41 | SteBud86 | Hi! |
| 08:12.42 | SteBud86 | I'm having problems in compiling Openmoko image |
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| 08:13.12 | SteBud86 | This is my output log: http://www.pastebin.ca/1255978 |
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| 08:16.57 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:21.32 | SteBud86 | Can somebody help me? |
| 08:23.25 | KenYoung | SteBud86, I'm afraid I can't. This tends to be a rather slow time for this IRC channel. It is more active around 00:00 UT, most days. |
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| 08:30.38 | Wonka | when all the 'merkins are at home and not yet sleeping.. |
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| 08:32.56 | KenYoung | Wonka, You'd think there would be another peak for the evening hours in Germany, but I have not seen it. |
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| 08:46.16 | Wonka | KenYoung: not enough mass, i think |
| 08:47.25 | KenYoung | Wonka, Doesn't Germany have the second highest number of Freerunner owners? I thought I read that it did. And they seem to be pretty active in producing python applications. |
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| 08:48.47 | Wonka | maybe... don't know the numbers |
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| 09:05.50 | cdrum | anyoine have issues with a 4GB SDHC? |
| 09:06.01 | cdrum | specifically a Kingston on a daily test build? |
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| 09:06.14 | cdrum | (i.e. it isn't even being seen) |
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| 09:39.38 | DPThought | i often have problem that new apps do not appear in the enlightenment launcher. But the .desktop file exists. |
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| 09:40.06 | DPThought | This seems to be a common error, but i could not find any common reason yet. Any ideas? |
| 09:44.10 | gromez | DPThought: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1303380 |
| 09:44.52 | gromez | or you can replace Applications to Application in your applications.menu |
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| 09:49.05 | methril | morning |
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| 09:51.42 | DPThought | gromez: thanks a lot |
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| 10:22.49 | mib_ttlewjl0 | any body there????? |
| 10:23.16 | mib_ttlewjl0 | pls reply.. |
| 10:23.29 | dns53 | perhaps |
| 10:23.39 | methril | ask |
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| 10:29.43 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4786 10/developers/werner/myroot/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Customized rootfs image builder. (For development and such.) |
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| 10:37.41 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4787 10/developers/werner/myroot/werner: My customization script. |
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| 10:43.21 | beniwtv | hey all... any ideas how I can tell illume / enlightenment to bring an application to the foreground? I would like to bring zhone to th foreground in the FSO image when the phone rings. |
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| 10:43.52 | dns53 | it doesn't? |
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| 10:44.20 | methril | ask raster |
| 10:44.40 | beniwtv | dns53: nope... it rings in the background, though, which is not the best way to take the call :p |
| 10:45.39 | beniwtv | hmm... do you think E supports wmctrl? |
| 10:45.42 | dns53 | i think they are phasing out zhome anyway? |
| 10:45.45 | beniwtv | goes to check... |
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| 10:45.57 | dns53 | it's enligtenment so it should |
| 10:46.34 | beniwtv | dns53: until they don't, I'll probably use it... |
| 10:47.41 | beniwtv | "Some examples of EWMH/NetWM compatible window managers include recent versions of Enlightenment, Icewm, Kwin, Sawfish and Xfce.". Ok... so I could just use wmctrl to control the zhone window, I guess |
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| 10:53.22 | beniwtv | hmm... So now I only need to digg into the rules system of FSO, then all is set :) |
| 10:55.16 | beniwtv | I'm trying to prevent screen dimming while connected to USB or the charger... There are already rules of that, but they don't check PowerStatus(). Is it possible to check two things in a rule? Maybe a d-bus method? |
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| 11:51.19 | emacsen | I know I'm a geek when it's a few hours before a long international flight and I think "I need to upgrade my phone..." |
| 11:51.52 | CVirus | geek and proud |
| 11:52.13 | emacsen | more like FDOM sucks and I need something I can rely on ;) |
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| 11:56.54 | badcloud | there seems to be some inconsistency between openmoko.com and some of the dealer sites regarding freerunner's weight |
| 11:57.11 | badcloud | om says 133 grams |
| 11:57.39 | badcloud | a dealer site I found says 184 |
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| 11:58.42 | mickey|meeting | iirc one is the phone, the other the package |
| 11:58.46 | mickey|meeting | (including accessories) |
| 11:58.53 | badcloud | ah... |
| 11:59.05 | badcloud | thanks |
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| 12:07.50 | emacsen | we can't get the 2008.09 images anywhere?? |
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| 12:39.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r44764beab8db 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (channel.py const.py): |
| 12:39.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Increase default timeout to 10 seconds |
| 12:39.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: It seems that especially if the calypso is busy the default timeout of 5 |
| 12:39.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: seconds wasn't enough and timeouts fired quite often with the response |
| 12:39.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: arriving shortly after. Increasing the timeout will hopefully only catch |
| 12:39.50 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: real timeouts. |
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| 14:21.38 | salman | greetings |
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| 14:22.26 | salman | how to send a file via bluetooth in fdom distro? there is only the option to on/off bluetooth |
| 14:22.44 | salman | the mobile is not detectable by other mobiles |
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| 14:36.44 | almien | 144g mine... |
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| 14:49.53 | mek_ | hello_moko |
| 14:49.55 | mek_ | =) |
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| 14:50.37 | spydon | Hello mek_ ^^ |
| 14:50.47 | mek_ | hey spydon |
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| 14:51.09 | Mek | hmm.. confusing... someone with the same nick... |
| 14:51.15 | mek_ | oh |
| 14:51.19 | spydon | lol |
| 14:51.41 | viq | Well, I am on some channel with someone called vaq ;) |
| 14:51.48 | gugu | =) |
| 14:52.08 | Mek | :) |
| 14:52.19 | gugu | but deep under I feel mek =) |
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| 14:53.02 | gugu | I was wondering... did someone installed wicd 2.5 (latest I think) under debian on the FR? |
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| 15:02.23 | salman | how to send a file via bluetooth in fdom distro? there is only the option to on/off bluetooth . the mobile is not detectable by other mobiles |
| 15:02.39 | slaxxin | maybe sumfin will happen today |
| 15:02.55 | slaxxin | yup |
| 15:03.19 | slaxxin | did u try manual method? |
| 15:03.41 | salman | slaxxin: what is the manual method? |
| 15:04.29 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth |
| 15:04.40 | salman | thanks |
| 15:05.04 | slaxxin | let me know ok? |
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| 15:08.02 | salman | will do, the mobile is not with me now, it is being charged at home, will check that as soon as possible. I have a couple of pdf books I want to transfer and check the readability. I used to read alot in my 9300i Nokia communicator before it died |
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| 15:09.53 | Zorkman | is it a known problem that in fso ms4 a call doesn't unsuspend the phone? |
| 15:10.09 | lindi- | salman: just use scp? |
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| 15:10.44 | XorA | just press the aux button to wake the phone when the call comes in :-D |
| 15:11.18 | salman | lindi-: I am using debian in my computer and it seems there is a lot of configuration before I have a working usb networking. I will find time to do that later |
| 15:11.39 | lindi- | salman: oh, it's not that difficult really |
| 15:12.11 | lindi- | salman: i mean, the openmoko specific parts are not difficult. of course you need some general networking knowhow |
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| 15:13.00 | salman | lindi-: I have no problem of reading and learning.. it is just that I will need to fit that in my schedule with other things :-) |
| 15:13.50 | lindi- | salman: heh ok |
| 15:13.52 | Zorkman | XorA: it's the power button to unsuspend :) |
| 15:14.06 | Zorkman | the aux button doesn't do a think |
| 15:14.15 | Zorkman | (it should at least do something... like screenlock) |
| 15:14.25 | XorA | Zorkman: wierd, I had hoped someone would notice the violation of the causality of the universe in that statement |
| 15:14.30 | XorA | Zorkman: not the wrong button :-) |
| 15:14.51 | Zorkman | wrong button? |
| 15:15.38 | XorA | Zorkman: I was making a joke, I just asked you to predict when you were going to get called and wake up the phone first! |
| 15:15.46 | salman | so what would happen when we have a 'working' system for the neo? will FIC introduced a new mobile? with, maybe new hardware features? |
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| 15:16.06 | lindi- | salman: then you use it? ;) |
| 15:18.50 | salman | lindi-: I just borrowed a FR from a friend that is so frustrated because he discovered it is not 'ready'. He is offering it for sale. I will take it if he will reduce the price a liitle :-) but I am thinking of the future too. once the 'system(s) is/are ready, I will use Neo as my main mobile. but if there will be a new one introduced with more hardware features I will buy that, and give this one to my wife :-) |
| 15:19.50 | sicu | haha, my wife would kill me |
| 15:21.32 | salman | one of the things I want it for now is to learn python so I can develop some app for it, as part of my contribution to the community and to scratch some of my etches |
| 15:22.16 | salman | I downloaded DiveIntoPython and I am learning from it for now |
| 15:26.49 | lindi- | salman: heh |
| 15:27.15 | Zorkman | people read the mail from wolfgang? |
| 15:27.36 | Zorkman | said there were looking for serious coders for the glamo, and he will work out a legal way to get them the docs |
| 15:27.42 | Zorkman | what are you guys waiting for?? |
| 15:28.28 | XorA | serious coders |
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| 15:29.04 | Zorkman | XorA: i was talking to the people in this chan, they should jump on this :) |
| 15:29.28 | XorA | Zorkman: OpenGL drivers are not easy, OpenGL drivers in someones spare time are really not easy |
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| 15:29.44 | Zorkman | yeah i reccon they aren't |
| 15:29.53 | leinir | i can't help wonder, what might happen with gallium3d... |
| 15:30.02 | Zorkman | but there just has to be someone good in here who can and wants to do it :) |
| 15:30.39 | XorA | thats the problem if you were good with GL drivers you probably work for ATI/nvidia/...... for $$$ already |
| 15:30.59 | SpeedEvil | openGL isn't the problem. |
| 15:31.11 | SpeedEvil | at least for much stuff |
| 15:31.20 | lindi- | woulnd't wlan be much more useful than opengl? ;) |
| 15:31.23 | SpeedEvil | lack of features and low bandwidth is a major issue. |
| 15:34.47 | Zorkman | and XorA; i think not many people know about this offer |
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| 15:38.38 | leinir | Hmm... How about suggesting OpenMoko that contacting Tungsten Graphics could be an idea? |
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| 15:39.49 | rzr | hi, |
| 15:39.59 | rzr | just saw this for anyone in the usa : http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320316901846 |
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| 15:42.26 | spydon | rzr, no one wants neo1973 ;) |
| 15:42.45 | SpeedEvil | spyre: no buzz, no glamo problems |
| 15:43.32 | spydon | SpeedEvil, no support for the newest framework ;) |
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| 15:43.46 | Zorkman | leinir: i'll send a mail about it |
| 15:44.34 | leinir | Tungsten Graphics being the people behind gallium3d of course, for anybody keeping score ;) |
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| 15:45.57 | starox__ | opengraphics calls for xorg-driver developper too ... |
| 15:45.58 | F4t | hey all |
| 15:46.09 | mwester | spydon: that's a simple problem to fix. The neo1973 is actually far better than the GTA01 in terms of stability :) |
| 15:47.11 | F4t | isnt neo1973 the same thing as GTA01? |
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| 15:48.26 | spydon | F4t, he probably ment GTA02 |
| 15:49.05 | F4t | oh, k :) |
| 15:49.33 | mwester | hmm.... oops, yes. Typo. neo1973 > GTA02 |
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| 15:49.59 | mwester | goes to get his coffee before he types more. |
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| 15:50.30 | SpeedEvil | damasteel |
| 15:50.32 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 15:53.53 | mwester | offers some coffee to SpeedEvil |
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| 16:00.02 | skbohra | desperately wants a new free runner |
| 16:00.48 | mwester | did ya break it? |
| 16:01.09 | skbohra | haven't got it yet :) |
| 16:01.31 | gugu | people! |
| 16:01.55 | gugu | how come that I edit xorg.conf & then nothing happens once running xfce? |
| 16:02.54 | F4t | gugu, do you save the changes? :D |
| 16:03.13 | gugu | sure, double checked xorg.conf |
| 16:03.17 | skbohra | ctrl+s |
| 16:03.21 | F4t | lol |
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| 16:05.00 | henk | what's the proper way to close the 'installer'? before i started it, opkg worked fine, when i close it via the top panel -> remove button, opkg says, it can't obtain administrative lock |
| 16:06.55 | Ainulindale | mwester: hey there |
| 16:07.01 | Ainulindale | Someone is using SHR on his GTA01 |
| 16:07.05 | Ainulindale | ANd it seems to work |
| 16:07.41 | mwester | And someone is using SHR on his GTA02 |
| 16:07.52 | mwester | ANd is seems to break in the same way as it does on my GTA01 |
| 16:07.53 | mwester | :p |
| 16:08.00 | summatusmentis | SHR? |
| 16:08.06 | summatusmentis | I'm so out of the loop |
| 16:08.34 | SpeedEvil | Stable Hybrid Release |
| 16:08.38 | Ainulindale | mwester: Huh? |
| 16:08.46 | SpeedEvil | Someone forgot to bolt the door of the hybrid stable.; |
| 16:08.50 | Ainulindale | mwester: Ah I misread GTA02 with GTA01 |
| 16:09.00 | mwester | I am suspected GSM firmware may be an issue; my GTA01 does not have the same firmware as all GTA01s. |
| 16:09.10 | Ainulindale | mwester: this is sooo weird this issue is appearing randomly on the same hardware |
| 16:10.03 | mwester | Should be easily sortable, since it's quite reproducable. Just need the right information to be logged, I think. The key bit of information is: What is it that signals to DBus that the call is outgoing/incoming? |
| 16:10.26 | henk | do i ask dumb questions, or in the wrong channel, or did i do something wrong or why does it seem my questions are ignored in here? |
| 16:10.55 | SpeedEvil | henk: the basic problem is there are about five different software revisions. |
| 16:11.04 | summatusmentis | henk: generally in an IRC setting, people won't answer a question if they don't know |
| 16:11.11 | SpeedEvil | henk: not everyone has experience of all software revisions. |
| 16:11.23 | SpeedEvil | henk: and few of us are actually paid to do this stuff. |
| 16:11.35 | spydon | henk, isn't there a close button in the bottom too? |
| 16:11.38 | henk | SpeedEvil: oh, so this channel is not mainly about the Om? |
| 16:11.49 | henk | summatusmentis: i know that, but thanks ;) |
| 16:11.55 | SpeedEvil | henk: there are 5 different software stacks for OM |
| 16:12.01 | SpeedEvil | at least |
| 16:12.41 | SpeedEvil | 2007, 2008, qtopia, shr, debian |
| 16:12.43 | mwester | 9, if you count individual flashable images, although some of them are minor variations on each other. |
| 16:12.48 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 16:12.59 | leinir | android |
| 16:13.07 | mwester | fso |
| 16:13.12 | mwester | er, fdom |
| 16:13.14 | mwester | i mean |
| 16:13.36 | SpeedEvil | ponders the degenerate support channel case. |
| 16:13.37 | mwester | qt extended |
| 16:13.51 | SpeedEvil | Everyone trying to get support for the distribution which only they use. |
| 16:14.10 | henk | ok, so i just thought i had understood that... |
| 16:14.55 | mwester | There's a fine line between diversity and fragmentation, but it's very clear that the Om community is far into the "fragmentation" stage. |
| 16:15.04 | F4t | does anyone know why is there 3 different rootfs images for fso4? fso-illume,fso-console, and just fso? |
| 16:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | @everyone: capacitor rework for A7 seems to fix buzz issue |
| 16:15.40 | mickey|ICE691 | console image is the 'real' one |
| 16:15.47 | mickey|ICE691 | illume has X + a wm |
| 16:15.57 | F4t | mickey|ICE691, and the third one? |
| 16:16.01 | mickey|ICE691 | fso-image (should rather be called zhone-image) has a testing UI |
| 16:16.06 | mwester | F4t: Rather like when RedHat used to ship the "server" CDs and the "regular" CDs -- same stuff, just packaged differently to suit different software loads on top of the base. |
| 16:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | stay tuned for a rework recommendation for A6 RSN |
| 16:16.25 | F4t | oh ok, thanks mwester, mickey... |
| 16:16.31 | mickey|ICE691 | DocScrutinizer: congrats |
| 16:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 16:16.49 | henk | i'll try again and ask some basic questions: afaict there is no relation between kernel and software stack, is that right? |
| 16:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | samplesize = 3 :-/ |
| 16:17.02 | mwester | In theory. |
| 16:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | got no A7 |
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| 16:17.31 | mickey|ICE691 | henk: they are largely unrelated, yes -- although the kernel and userland people (sometimes) talk wrt. interfaces |
| 16:17.31 | mickey|ICE691 | (a7) me neither |
| 16:17.34 | henk | so i could run the kernel that comes with Om2008.x with the qtopia rootfs? |
| 16:17.46 | mwester | Ah, no |
| 16:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | try A6 hen |
| 16:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | *then |
| 16:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | same procedure |
| 16:18.12 | mwester | henk: the issue is that the kernel has modules, and the modules live in the rootfs. |
| 16:18.24 | DocScrutinizer | add 100uF c4306 |
| 16:18.41 | mickey|ICE691 | software guy. I'll wait for someone else to do that for me |
| 16:18.43 | mwester | henk: so in order to avoid reflashing the matching kernel for a rootfs you would need to extract and install the modules that match the flashed kernel. |
| 16:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | meet ya at CCC |
| 16:19.06 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: url to procedure? |
| 16:19.09 | mickey|ICE691 | hopefully |
| 16:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: monday |
| 16:19.24 | mwester | thanks! |
| 16:19.35 | mwester | (A5) |
| 16:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | nearly to the point: people.om.org/joerg |
| 16:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | instead of LM336 use 100uF |
| 16:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | more decent paper next week |
| 16:21.21 | mickey|ICE691 | any news from Dieter wrt. 1024 btw.? |
| 16:21.26 | shonnon | rwhitby: I'm getting a fetch failure (md5 mismatch) on lame-3.96.1.tar.gz trying to build with MokoMakefile. |
| 16:22.12 | henk | mwester: ok, thanks. |
| 16:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | mickey|ICE691: we got moko10-beta2. 10 min ago Harald confirmed it's working (AT+CSIM) |
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| 16:26.08 | quickdev | DocScrutinizer, what's CSIM for? :) |
| 16:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | acces to SIM, like simcard-reader |
| 16:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | to make complicated explanation simple |
| 16:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | U need for active BT handsfree in car, e.g. |
| 16:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | handsfree is a phone on it's own, but uses sim in FR |
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| 16:28.03 | henk | back to my earlier question: what's the proper way to close the 'installer' in Om2008.9? when i close it via the 'remove'-button in the topshelf, i can't use opkg in the shell anymore because of the administrative lock. packagekitd is still running. is it ok to kill that process? |
| 16:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | TI thought this is *dangerous* so they didn't implement the command |
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| 16:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | ho, Marek! :-) |
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| 16:33.53 | spydon | henk, if it isnt doing anything it wont take any damage if you kill it |
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| 16:36.50 | henk | spydon: it seemed to be working, but it seemed to have killed itself anyway... perhaps it just needs more time than my impatience will tolerate. |
| 16:37.43 | spydon | henk, which distro are you running? |
| 16:37.56 | henk | Om2008.9 |
| 16:38.37 | spydon | hmm weird, opkg works for me even if I "remove" the installer |
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| 16:39.32 | henk | but i get the feeling there is something wrong with my installation. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Om2008_installer1.png this are more categories than i see... is it possible i flashed a 'small' image or an update image? |
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| 16:40.42 | spydon | henk, I can't see all those either... |
| 16:41.23 | henk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 ok, my problem is even in the known issues section. shame on me... |
| 16:45.55 | henk | does the wifi manager in the settings dialog in om-stable support wpa? |
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| 16:47.14 | henk | it says 'Unable to join Network' over here and i don't know what's the cause and don't know to find out. help? |
| 16:47.22 | henk | please? |
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| 16:55.14 | spydon | henk, the wifi-manager is kind of buggy :P |
| 16:55.39 | spydon | try to configure your connection manually |
| 16:55.53 | henk | spydon: ok, is there a good alternative? mofi, lint and wicd i have read about and a short look at them, but wasn't really overwhelmed... |
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| 16:56.12 | spydon | henk, I dont know :P |
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| 16:57.55 | henk | spydon: that is connman right? perhaps it can use preconfigured... |
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| 16:59.04 | spydon | henk, I have no idea... |
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| 17:46.07 | laen | Okay, so from milestone 4, i see the normal fso image, the illume fso iage, and the console fso image. I guess console is really console only stuff.. so what is the diff between the other 2? One with and one without illume? |
| 17:48.33 | sicu | laen: from what i've heard the the normal one has zhone + illume, the illume one is illume only |
| 17:48.42 | laen | okay |
| 17:48.46 | laen | magic |
| 17:49.18 | laen | normal one is bigger too |
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| 17:51.26 | Zoup | how can i install terminal on qtopia ? |
| 17:51.26 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 17:52.07 | spydon | isnt there a terminal by default in qtopia? |
| 17:53.04 | Dave | Original Recipe? No, I don't think so. |
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| 17:54.45 | Zoup | spydon: no , there isnt |
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| 18:27.01 | henk | (i think) i found a but in wpasupplicant in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant in line 81 'sed' is used but should be 'sed -n' |
| 18:27.08 | henk | is that correct? |
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| 18:34.01 | Dave | cool |
| 18:35.13 | laen | omg i am teh stoopit |
| 18:35.17 | laen | Dave! |
| 18:37.14 | Dave | ja? |
| 18:38.30 | laen | Dave ik doe stomme dingen. |
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| 18:40.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | tststss |
| 18:41.19 | laen | Why's there no jffs2 in http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ ..lol i was trying to flash a bz2 file :P |
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| 18:42.37 | Zorkman | laen: there use do be a jffs2 |
| 18:42.39 | henk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#wpa_supplicant_times_out anyone know why that is? |
| 18:42.42 | Zorkman | and a jffs2.summary |
| 18:42.54 | Dave | Joergs! |
| 18:42.55 | laen | Zorkman: they removed it, what a shame! |
| 18:43.13 | Zorkman | because there was an easter egg in it of a nekkid woman I heard |
| 18:43.22 | Dave | roflcopters? |
| 18:43.46 | Zorkman | no, nekkid woman |
| 18:43.58 | Zorkman | no roflcopters, although the FR needs them badly |
| 18:44.04 | laen | So, start the fr from Debian on the SD card and extract the stuffs i guess? |
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| 18:44.29 | Zorkman | or if you have a cardreader on your desktop it is even easier |
| 18:44.33 | Zorkman | (i don't have one) |
| 18:44.52 | Zorkman | I still have the jffs2 file, but not where i am right now |
| 18:44.54 | Dave | huh? |
| 18:45.06 | laen | i do have a cardreader, but it's still in the plastic with the 8GB sd card :P |
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| 18:45.20 | Dave | dwaas! |
| 18:45.30 | Dave | por laen |
| 18:45.31 | Zorkman | laen: send it to me then :p |
| 18:45.34 | Dave | :D |
| 18:45.38 | Dave | jajaja |
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| 18:47.02 | laen | SO UH, how do i mount the nand? :P |
| 18:48.10 | Dave | :o |
| 18:48.13 | Dave | dirty! |
| 18:48.28 | Zorkman | :d |
| 18:49.03 | henk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Moving_current_system_from_flash_to_SD |
| 18:49.33 | Dave | kinky |
| 18:50.26 | laen | Thanks henky :) |
| 18:53.04 | laen | does not work |
| 18:53.08 | laen | epic fail |
| 18:53.17 | Dave | no |
| 18:53.53 | henk | what doesn't? |
| 18:54.01 | laen | Ah logical, i corrupted the thingy. |
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| 18:55.16 | Wonka | http://www.emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/11/actually_randall_we_tried.html |
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| 18:56.21 | Dave | Wonka! |
| 18:57.38 | Wonka | Dave! |
| 19:00.09 | Dave | Yes! |
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| 19:00.55 | laen | Still failure. |
| 19:00.59 | laen | Oh well. |
| 19:01.07 | Fougner | :O |
| 19:01.13 | Fougner | hi guys |
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| 19:02.22 | Fougner | laen: !!!!!!! |
| 19:02.49 | Dave | OH NO |
| 19:02.52 | laen | FOUGNER |
| 19:02.53 | Dave | RUN |
| 19:02.58 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 19:03.30 | laen | slaps Fougner with an ire |
| 19:03.50 | Fougner | I'm overwhelmed by your hospitality |
| 19:03.59 | cjb_ie | laen: you're not allowed do that unless you're in ireland. |
| 19:04.15 | Fougner | cjb_ie: says who? :D |
| 19:04.27 | cjb_ie | waves his _ie |
| 19:04.29 | laen | I can preten. |
| 19:04.30 | laen | +d |
| 19:04.34 | laen | Showertime! |
| 19:04.34 | Dave | oy |
| 19:04.41 | Fougner | Dave: ! |
| 19:04.44 | Fougner | hmm |
| 19:04.45 | Wonka | .oO( not "preteen"... ) |
| 19:04.54 | Dave | o_O |
| 19:04.57 | Fougner | Wonka: what? :) |
| 19:04.58 | Dave | haha, geeze. |
| 19:05.01 | Dave | slaps Wonka |
| 19:05.15 | Fougner | haha |
| 19:05.17 | Wonka | Dave: i hate spam advertising such stuff... |
| 19:05.21 | Dave | Wonka, #openmymoko is over there ------_> |
| 19:05.27 | Dave | ;p |
| 19:05.33 | Fougner | openmymoko? :O |
| 19:05.33 | Wonka | O.o |
| 19:05.35 | Fougner | hmm, btw |
| 19:05.37 | Fougner | WOnka |
| 19:05.41 | Fougner | Wanka |
| 19:05.44 | Fougner | ehem... |
| 19:06.04 | Fougner | Wonka: I changed my network to 192.168.0.XX |
| 19:06.16 | Wonka | hits Fougner with something hard |
| 19:06.21 | Dave | YES |
| 19:06.23 | Fougner | your d*** ? =D |
| 19:06.25 | Dave | Let the hate flow through you... |
| 19:06.30 | Wonka | nak |
| 19:06.34 | Fougner | hehe |
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| 19:06.51 | Fougner | how can I get my FR to work with 192.168.0.XX ? |
| 19:06.59 | cjb_ie | i thought that said 'let the data flow through you' |
| 19:07.17 | Fougner | I've tried with the USB_Networking on the wiki |
| 19:07.36 | Fougner | but I can't get it working =*( |
| 19:08.38 | TAsnn | to all of you framework based distro users: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd |
| 19:08.45 | TAsnn | i thought you might be interested ;] |
| 19:09.31 | TAsnn | Dave, can i has holograph? |
| 19:10.20 | Fougner | TAsnn: wohO! |
| 19:11.02 | Dave | Tasn, please wait for the GTA10 |
| 19:11.07 | Dave | :] |
| 19:11.10 | Dave | cjb, hah |
| 19:11.27 | Ke | <3 |
| 19:11.33 | Dave | Ke! |
| 19:11.37 | TAsnn | Dave, for an holograph? |
| 19:11.39 | Ke | Dave: ! |
| 19:11.44 | Dave | terve |
| 19:11.52 | Ke | speech recognition would be nice |
| 19:11.55 | Ke | tjänare |
| 19:11.57 | Dave | Tasn, A holograph - what do you think this is, French? |
| 19:12.03 | Dave | Kekeke :] |
| 19:13.22 | TAsnn | Dave, do you speak korean? |
| 19:13.25 | Dave | mitä kuuluu, ystävä? |
| 19:13.33 | Fougner | Dave: you |
| 19:13.35 | TAsnn | russian? |
| 19:13.35 | Fougner | 're |
| 19:13.36 | TAsnn | what's that. |
| 19:13.42 | Fougner | Finnish! |
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| 19:13.52 | Dave | suomi |
| 19:13.56 | Fougner | exactley |
| 19:13.56 | Dave | ja |
| 19:14.14 | Fougner | Dave: I thought you were from Norway |
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| 19:14.26 | Dave | Muwahahaha |
| 19:14.28 | Dave | If only you knew! |
| 19:14.29 | Ke | ! |
| 19:14.38 | Fougner | you are, aren't you? |
| 19:14.39 | cjb_ie | beter nederlands praten denk ik, än svenska eller finska |
| 19:15.01 | Fougner | cjb_ie: what? |
| 19:15.03 | Dave | ja |
| 19:15.05 | Dave | ;p |
| 19:15.09 | Ke | I'll need to go |
| 19:15.14 | Dave | gedronken? |
| 19:15.38 | TAsnn | Fougner, Dave moves around all the time, he has stalkers you know... |
| 19:15.46 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 19:15.55 | Dave | They're all after me... |
| 19:16.13 | Dave | everyone's after my mokos |
| 19:16.25 | cjb_ie | ou peut-être français? oder warum nicht Deutsch? |
| 19:16.58 | Dave | boo, fucké le français. |
| 19:17.33 | Fougner | hmm |
| 19:17.39 | Fougner | Stalkers you say... |
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| 19:18.19 | cjb_ie | pero español es mejor |
| 19:18.24 | cjb_ie | damn but it's taking a long time to find the non-7bit chars |
| 19:18.38 | Fougner | :O |
| 19:18.47 | Dave | en... Duitsers zijn eng ¬_¬ |
| 19:19.15 | Fougner | can mr mwesters kernels be used with FDOM? |
| 19:19.26 | cjb_ie | ach is gaeilge an teanga is fearr |
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| 19:21.17 | Dave | ;p |
| 19:24.34 | Fougner | :o |
| 19:24.43 | Zorkman | don't mention ze war |
| 19:24.56 | Dave | afschrikwekkend |
| 19:24.59 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 19:25.00 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 19:25.05 | Zorkman | apt kill apt |
| 19:25.06 | apt | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-meson gun at apt |
| 19:25.09 | Dave | sends apt SIGKEK |
| 19:25.19 | Zorkman | apt is dead |
| 19:25.33 | Dave | R.I.P. |
| 19:25.48 | Zorkman | "zjef zal voor ons geen comissjes niemer doen" |
| 19:26.12 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 19:26.13 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 19:26.23 | Zorkman | apt is allergic to it |
| 19:26.26 | Fougner | he's not dead guys.. he was just faking.. |
| 19:26.34 | Dave | THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID! |
| 19:26.38 | Zorkman | if you do it ten times in a row, he leaves the chan |
| 19:26.54 | Fougner | Zorkman: maybe I'm the one leaving the channel? |
| 19:26.57 | Dave | Hi ChanServ |
| 19:27.07 | Fougner | apt: Hi! :) |
| 19:27.09 | Zorkman | ChanServ is mute |
| 19:27.15 | Dave | ChanServ, hoe is het? |
| 19:27.27 | Dave | ChanServ, er du singel? |
| 19:27.30 | Fougner | kill apt |
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| 19:28.14 | Dave | sets Fougner up teh mokobomb |
| 19:28.56 | Fougner | ? |
| 19:29.01 | Fougner | what the... |
| 19:29.12 | Fougner | runs away with a bomb on his back |
| 19:29.13 | cjb_ie | all your moko are belong to us |
| 19:29.22 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 19:29.38 | Fougner | is blown to pieces... |
| 19:29.50 | Fougner | Rests in peace... |
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| 19:30.44 | gurugentoo | can I has Openmoko? |
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| 19:32.46 | cjb_ie | damn, i forgot to show off my prowess in speaking lolcat |
| 19:33.14 | cjb_ie | sets himself up the lol |
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| 19:37.19 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * ra0171e2c53b1 10framework/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:37.19 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: [odeviced] Added kernel26 option called 'fb_blank' (default=1). |
| 19:37.19 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: If you suffer from the Om bug WSOD (white screen of death) during |
| 19:37.19 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: "normal" operation, try setting this option to 0. |
| 19:38.07 | gurugentoo | I further replace my roflcopter with a roflmoko hehe |
| 19:38.08 | Dave | Wtf, why do I have a t-shirt with MAEMO printed on it?? |
| 19:38.41 | Dave | gurugentoo, I raise you two pair of lollerskates |
| 19:39.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: bburrrps |
| 19:39.33 | cjb_ie | mutters something about maemomapper |
| 19:40.02 | Dave | o_O |
| 19:40.37 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r116f05945d20 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' |
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| 19:42.05 | Flyser | hi, is anyone using the neo as a mp3/ogg player and can give me some hints how to tweak some alsamixer settings for sound quality and stereo output |
| 19:42.24 | Dave | well, obviously NOT as an mp3 player... |
| 19:42.28 | Dave | ... since that's ILLEGAL. |
| 19:42.29 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 19:42.53 | cjb_ie | what, hasn't the patent expired yet? |
| 19:42.58 | TAsn | Dave, mp3 is illegal? |
| 19:43.03 | TAsn | i think it has. |
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| 19:44.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | Flyser: see wiki |
| 19:45.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | check for alsactl restore -f stereoheadset |
| 19:46.37 | Flyser | DocScrutinizer2: which page? |
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| 19:47.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | something like audio-on-fr, audio-on-1973 |
| 19:48.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | sorry, not pc atm, just n810 w/o bookmarks |
| 19:50.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | go to main index page, you'll find it |
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| 19:51.13 | Flyser | k, thanks |
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| 19:52.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: *selling* fraunhofer crap is illegal w/o license. using it is perfectly allowable |
| 19:52.26 | Dave | yeah, but openmoko is selling it, right? :p |
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| 19:52.38 | Dave | or more accurately, profiting from it, supposedly. |
| 19:53.03 | TAsn | Dave, so if i sell it and lose money in the process it's allowed? |
| 19:53.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | no more |
| 19:53.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | repos are all mp3 clean by now |
| 19:54.25 | Dave | No |
| 19:54.32 | Dave | Joerg, yes, unfortunately! >:( |
| 19:54.40 | Dave | fucking ray chao |
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| 19:58.40 | Fougner | DAVE!!!!!!!! |
| 19:59.21 | Dave | Stop screaming my name. |
| 19:59.30 | Dave | Even you use it a bit excessively :p |
| 19:59.35 | Dave | What do you want, Mr. Fougner? |
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| 20:01.08 | cbrake | swell, my freerunner battery appears to be swelling :-\ |
| 20:01.21 | cjb_ie | it wants to break free! |
| 20:01.37 | cbrake | wonders if he should go get the fire extinquisher ... |
| 20:01.37 | cjb_ie | ...and now i've earwormed myself with queen \o/ |
| 20:02.19 | duffolonious | is it easy to buy more batteries? |
| 20:02.27 | cbrake | actually that was my neo1973 battery |
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| 20:03.36 | cbrake | dunno -- they look pretty standard, so I suspect there are compatible batteries out there |
| 20:04.01 | cbrake | I'd say the battery is shot as I can't get it to power on -- works find with the freerunner bat |
| 20:04.04 | duffolonious | cbrake: the wiki talks of nokia batteries being compatible (a few at least) |
| 20:04.08 | cbrake | good |
| 20:04.10 | duffolonious | but they don't report charge info |
| 20:04.10 | Fougner | Dave, I'm not using it excessively |
| 20:04.46 | Dave | Alrighty then. |
| 20:05.10 | slaxxin | thank god they are smoothen thingd o |
| 20:05.15 | slaxxin | ut lolololol |
| 20:05.23 | Dave | Okay, now that's too much for me. |
| 20:05.26 | Dave | Fucking slaxxin. |
| 20:05.51 | Dave | Go do something useful, like post another useless screenshot to scap so we can yell at you. |
| 20:05.57 | Dave | :) |
| 20:06.01 | gugu | which is the workaround to connect to wifi AP with "shared key authentication"? |
| 20:06.17 | slaxxin | dave im coming up there |
| 20:06.56 | gugu | I'm testing at home with a router, and when I change the network authentication to open it works |
| 20:07.11 | gugu | but if I switch to "shared key" is not working anymore |
| 20:07.15 | gugu | any thoughts? |
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| 20:10.19 | henk | is there something like lspci on the openmoko? |
| 20:10.31 | henk | to see the networking chip e.g. |
| 20:14.47 | Fougner | baah |
| 20:15.04 | jonkristian | haab |
| 20:15.18 | ajuonline | <.< |
| 20:15.21 | Dave | STAY BACK! |
| 20:15.31 | gugu | figured it out nevermind |
| 20:15.40 | jonkristian | DAVE! |
| 20:15.43 | gugu | thanks anyway.... -.- |
| 20:16.21 | Dave | JA |
| 20:16.24 | jonkristian | EVAD(E) |
| 20:16.30 | Dave | :P |
| 20:16.34 | jonkristian | :D |
| 20:16.37 | jonkristian | What's up? |
| 20:16.51 | Fougner | jonkristian: funny guy! |
| 20:16.55 | Dave | Finally cleared the room off my desk to setup these new lcd displays I received. |
| 20:16.56 | Fougner | haab |
| 20:17.04 | jonkristian | sweet |
| 20:17.10 | Dave | haha yeah I guess |
| 20:17.25 | jonkristian | more than i've done today, that's for sure |
| 20:17.34 | Dave | well I had to participate in a fashion show first (uggh), then clean a ton of shit |
| 20:17.35 | jonkristian | I'm dining with fdom tonight |
| 20:17.38 | Dave | I'm not sure it was worth it. |
| 20:17.40 | Dave | :P |
| 20:17.54 | jonkristian | fashionable dave |
| 20:18.01 | jonkristian | it suits you |
| 20:18.09 | jonkristian | :) |
| 20:18.10 | Dave | haha, suits |
| 20:18.12 | Dave | HAHAHA |
| 20:18.21 | henk | gugu: what are you using to connect your wifi? |
| 20:18.23 | jonkristian | I gotta stop this |
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| 20:18.51 | Dave | YES |
| 20:18.54 | Fougner | jonkristian: dining with FDOM? |
| 20:18.56 | Dave | drit i det! |
| 20:19.19 | jonkristian | Fougner: In other words, im testing fdom |
| 20:19.28 | Fougner | ah |
| 20:19.36 | henk | gugu: sorry, i don't want a query atm. see above, i have already asked about what you said. |
| 20:19.41 | Fougner | I want my FDOM to work |
| 20:19.44 | jonkristian | one of the last ones i haven't tried |
| 20:19.46 | Fougner | jonkristian: which kernel do you use? |
| 20:19.50 | jonkristian | Fougner: what's wrong with it? |
| 20:20.00 | gugu | iwconfig |
| 20:20.02 | jonkristian | Fougner: as stated, the 2008.9 |
| 20:20.04 | Fougner | doesn't load up modules |
| 20:20.07 | jonkristian | Fougner: but i haven't flashed yet |
| 20:20.18 | henk | gugu: i manage to connect without wpa with iwconfig and the wifi setting in the settings app. we are talking about Om2008.9 here, right? |
| 20:20.21 | Fougner | jonkristian: ok.. where did you get the 2008.9? |
| 20:20.31 | jonkristian | Fougner: did you read this? If you have updated your kernel, re-flash back to the default Om2008.9 kernel so that your kernels and modules are the same version. |
| 20:20.41 | Dave | Everybody dance |
| 20:20.45 | gugu | no, I'm using debian |
| 20:20.46 | Dave | \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ |
| 20:20.48 | jonkristian | chair-spins |
| 20:21.01 | gugu | but I guess that I doensn't really matter |
| 20:21.03 | Fougner | Dave: you're funny too.. |
| 20:21.04 | jonkristian | Fougner: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/Om2008.9.uImage.bin |
| 20:21.16 | Fougner | Not Found |
| 20:21.17 | Fougner | The requested URL /releases/Om2008.9/Om2008.9.uImage.bin was not found on this server. |
| 20:21.23 | henk | gugu: oh ok. do you use wpa-supplicant? does it work reliably? |
| 20:21.23 | gugu | I suppose that if the kernel is okay than you're able to connect in anycase with iwconfig |
| 20:21.31 | jonkristian | Fougner: that's not cool |
| 20:21.38 | gugu | (and the other tools, obviously) |
| 20:21.40 | Fougner | no, it's not.. |
| 20:21.41 | jonkristian | Hang on, i'll send you one |
| 20:21.43 | Dave | You can thank Mr. Chao. |
| 20:21.49 | Fougner | jonkristian: thx |
| 20:22.00 | gugu | henk: for now I've just tested wep |
| 20:22.07 | henk | gugu: i don't think so. wpa-supplicant seems to be different from a debian wpa-supplicant. |
| 20:22.24 | gugu | different release? |
| 20:22.30 | Fougner | send me the md5 then if you can =) |
| 20:23.16 | gugu | henk > http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ |
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| 20:26.54 | jonkristian | Fougner: dns problems, hang on |
| 20:27.31 | Fougner | jonkristian: what you trying to do? |
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| 20:31.41 | slaxxin | i guess i need to change my len ip to something stupid |
| 20:32.14 | slaxxin | so fdom will hook up wireless |
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| 20:56.28 | Fougner | jonkristian: what happened? :P |
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| 21:10.10 | Dave | Man, I wonder... |
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| 21:11.15 | Kagee | Hello, i'm looking into flashing my FR ro FSO milistone 4, but i'm not sure what image to use. |
| 21:12.10 | Kagee | ro=to; - openmoko-fso-console is cli only, openmoko-fso-illume is fso with enlightenment, and openmoko-fso-image is fso with zone? correct? |
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| 21:13.09 | ajuonline | Kagee: yes |
| 21:13.53 | Kagee | Can i still make phone calls using i.e. dbus on the cli-image ? |
| 21:14.21 | ajuonline | i dont know |
| 21:17.38 | [Rui] | hi, what toolchain should I use for compiling software for FSO? |
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| 21:18.36 | dent | [Rui]: if you actually manage to get the toolchain working, let me know :) |
| 21:18.45 | TAsn | dent, I got it working |
| 21:18.50 | TAsn | no sweat actually. |
| 21:18.54 | TAsn | exactly as said in the wiki. |
| 21:18.54 | [Rui] | dent: I got the normal one working alright... |
| 21:19.02 | dent | then I'm interested |
| 21:19.18 | dent | it exploded on my ubuntu and on my gentoo box... each in its own way |
| 21:19.18 | [Rui] | but since I'm at an event with an unstable network, I don't want to donwload one that won't be useful for m |
| 21:19.19 | [Rui] | me |
| 21:19.28 | Dave | RUI |
| 21:19.53 | [Rui] | Dave: hiya! |
| 21:20.19 | [Rui] | dent: I only used http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain and followed the instructions... |
| 21:20.30 | dent | so have I :)) |
| 21:20.51 | dent | what distro are you running? |
| 21:21.04 | [Rui] | dent: I used the pre-built one |
| 21:21.05 | dent | in my case it was some funny libtool issue that i gave up on |
| 21:21.11 | [Rui] | dent: I was with ubuntu 8.04 |
| 21:21.12 | dent | I mean on your box... |
| 21:21.26 | dent | I'm on 8.10 |
| 21:21.28 | [Rui] | I haven't yet installed any development toolchain on my 8.10 fresh installation |
| 21:23.42 | dent | http://linux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~zub/make.log on my box :-/ |
| 21:24.20 | dent | and on my gentoo box it explodes right in om-conf (when autogen is run) |
| 21:24.42 | dent | I looked into the libtool issue, but couldn't resolve it :-/ |
| 21:25.00 | dent | I'm no autotools/libtool friend |
| 21:25.08 | Dave | Did somebody say 810!? |
| 21:25.42 | dent | that too :) |
| 21:26.23 | [Rui] | dent: you're trying build it from scratch, I didn't try that. |
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| 21:26.51 | dent | [Rui]: what do you mean? I just folloed the wiki page to build the example |
| 21:26.57 | Dave | makebugs |
| 21:27.06 | [Rui] | dent: quickest way: get a prebuilt imag |
| 21:27.32 | dent | hm, what img? |
| 21:27.48 | [Rui] | dent: http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/ |
| 21:27.52 | [Rui] | they're a bit old though |
| 21:28.21 | dent | I don't think we understand each other :) |
| 21:28.34 | dent | if those are just the toolchains built by OM... I have that |
| 21:28.46 | dent | it's not a toolchain I'd build myself (although I tried that too) |
| 21:29.40 | dent | I thought you are talking about some qemu/vbox/vmware images with stuff just working... that would be nice :) at least for the beginning |
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| 21:32.02 | Kagee | The wiki is still not sure if you should boot into the NOR or NAND boot meny when flashing - anyone? |
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| 21:32.23 | dolf1074 | NOR |
| 21:33.04 | jonkristian | Fougner: still there? |
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| 21:34.30 | kd8ikt | doesnt really matter cause NAND or NOR still gets loaded into mem when executed/booted |
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| 21:35.20 | kd8ikt | what happens in ram stays in ram ;) |
| 21:35.42 | mwester | Nand |
| 21:35.46 | mwester | Always NAND |
| 21:35.55 | mwester | NOR is only used to reflash NAND |
| 21:36.19 | dolf1074 | You can use both |
| 21:36.46 | dolf1074 | but if your bootloader in the NAND is bucked, you have to use NOR (And that's why it promoted on the website) |
| 21:37.09 | kd8ikt | love it |
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| 21:38.06 | Kagee | so ... nand can reflash (rotfs, kernel) nand, and nor can reflash (rotfs, kernel) nand, but only nor can reflash (u-boot) nand ? |
| 21:40.28 | henk | i flashed qi to the nand and just use nor for flashing stuff. works well so far. |
| 21:41.28 | kd8ikt | wheres a good image at |
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| 21:46.50 | XorA | really should work out how to flash his nor! |
| 21:47.14 | Kensan | XorA: speaking of which: i should really get my debugboard going :) |
| 21:48.16 | Dave | No kidding, Mr. Borkey :p |
| 21:48.35 | Dave | Henk, so Qi is working fine for you? :D |
| 21:48.53 | XorA | heh, havent used the debug board for months, bet its failed by now just to be annoying |
| 21:49.33 | Kensan | XorA: I am only getting garbled output on serial console but I have to admit I haven't really had time to look into it. |
| 21:50.48 | vininim | white screen of death for me \o/ |
| 21:51.05 | henk | Dave: it boots afaict reliably. so it works for me. |
| 21:52.12 | mwester | dolf1074: **TODAY** you can use either NOR or NAND, but that will not necessarily be true in the future; it's best to use the bootloaders as they were intended so as to avoid confusion down the road when HW ECC is enabled. |
| 21:53.07 | dolf1074 | mwester: Okay, than the wiki should be changed |
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| 21:54.49 | vininim | eehh does a white screen of death means removing battery? |
| 21:55.28 | mwester | dolf1074: Yes, the wiki has been a source of misinformation on the bootloader for a loooooong time. |
| 21:55.33 | mwester | vininim: Yes. |
| 21:55.49 | Kensan | mwester: it seems funny that stable-tracking could very well be more stable than "stable" eventhough it's based off 2.6.28-brand-spankin'-new :) |
| 21:56.28 | mwester | vininim: At least when IBM introduced their first RISC-based workstation, which suffered from horrible reliability problems, they had the courtesy to put a huge yellow "RESET" button on the front panel. :-D |
| 21:56.43 | mwester | Kensan: prove it! |
| 21:57.13 | Dave | Mwester :) |
| 21:57.23 | Kagee | It's no problem flashing bot kernel and rootfs on the same FR-boot? |
| 21:57.28 | Kagee | *both |
| 21:57.28 | Kensan | mwester: I am not that crazy to try stable-tracking *haha* |
| 21:57.39 | mwester | well, there you go then. |
| 21:57.45 | mwester | Kagee: No |
| 21:58.08 | mwester | Kagee: er, more clearly: No, it is not a problem to flash both on the session. |
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| 21:58.52 | mwester | ponders a custom back panel for the GTA02, that features a large yellow RESET button, and a cable to the reset line on the debug connector... |
| 21:58.53 | Dave | So, Mwester... |
| 21:59.22 | mwester | So Dave -- what commits have you done lately? Any updates on that Android keyboard? |
| 21:59.50 | Dave | Can my puppy make a cameo on your website? |
| 21:59.59 | ingoa | Hi, (I am new) Give it a way to start "Numptyphysics" game on FSO M4? I have an startup error... |
| 22:00.30 | mwester | Dave: No, Lady Basil is fiercly territorial, and would disapprove. :( |
| 22:00.45 | mwester | er "fiercely" even. |
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| 22:03.40 | mwester | I tried to get the dog to chew on or even lick the FR for a web page graphic, but she just sniffed at it and wanted nothing to do with it. Go figure... she chews on all sorts of other stuff she's not supposed to, but when you offer something, she doesn't want it. |
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| 22:03.54 | ingoa | And is opkg update && upgrade an good idea on the FSO M4? |
| 22:04.31 | Dave | Mwester, aww, alright. |
| 22:04.35 | TAsn | mwester, actually I thought about making a custom front panel for the moko, which will consist of the regular panel with the screen panel edges filed down ;] |
| 22:04.46 | TAsn | ingoa, it's out 4 days.. |
| 22:05.00 | mwester | Ah, for easier finger access to screen edges? |
| 22:05.00 | TAsn | what do you intend to get from that? ;] |
| 22:05.08 | TAsn | mwester, aye ;] |
| 22:06.04 | TAsn | though I worry for my moko, I need some place to order a new front panel, and to think whether I have the abilities to actually do that right ;] |
| 22:06.23 | TAsn | maybe someone could make custom front panels out of the factory ;] |
| 22:06.37 | ingoa | TAsn: Sorry, i do not understand. you mean just 4 days is not alot? |
| 22:06.45 | mwester | I'd be concerned about the corners -- if you file down to close to the edge, it might loose some stiffness. |
| 22:07.15 | TAsn | nah, it's 0.5 cm width, it will be fine |
| 22:07.15 | mwester | Although the back fits firmly enough... |
| 22:07.16 | TAsn | ;] |
| 22:07.22 | Dave | hmm |
| 22:07.29 | Dave | Are we talking freerunner modifications now? :D |
| 22:07.30 | TAsn | ingoa, 4 days isn't that much. |
| 22:07.36 | TAsn | Dave, hw mods, yeah ;] |
| 22:08.07 | Dave | :D |
| 22:08.11 | Dave | Count me in, yo |
| 22:09.05 | Kagee | I have flashed (twice) openmoko-fso-console-image and uImage-2.6.24 (both fso m4), but i keep gettin these errors: http://bildr.no/view/287294 |
| 22:09.27 | Kagee | it's like there is sonething wrong with the jffs2 |
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| 22:10.56 | ingoa | ai ai ai, is there a swiss or german channel? (My english is to bad) |
| 22:11.17 | Kensan | ingoa: try #neo1973-germany |
| 22:11.32 | ingoa | Kensan: Thanks |
| 22:11.35 | vininim | strange, it seems suspend somehow wastes more battery |
| 22:12.45 | TAsn | I really like the framework ;] |
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| 22:15.10 | mwester | Kagee: I think your u-boot is old; try doing the "nand erase rootfs" step as described on the wiki. |
| 22:15.29 | mwester | vininim: that would be really really strange. |
| 22:15.31 | Kagee | my u-boot is from .... 9. march / may |
| 22:15.35 | Dave | aw |
| 22:15.36 | Dave | :p |
| 22:15.38 | Kagee | 2008 |
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| 22:15.46 | Dave | heehee mwester :] |
| 22:15.46 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07fso-makefile * r786a99f0c55b 10/Makefile: Updated the SHR directives (migration from SVN to GIT, plus some options). |
| 22:16.13 | mwester | Kagee: try the nand erase rootfs anyway before you decide you have a flash problem... |
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| 22:17.42 | mwester | Kagee: or is it possible that you have flashed the GTA01 rootfs or kernel to the freerunner? |
| 22:17.53 | Kagee | dont think so. |
| 22:18.42 | Kagee | mwester, openmoko-fso-c***gta02.rootfs.tar.bz2 and uImage-2.6.24+***-gta02.bin |
| 22:19.17 | mwester | Kagee: You need the rootfs that ends in .jffs2.summary -- that one is a compressed tar file for the SD card. |
| 22:19.45 | Kagee | ok .... |
| 22:19.50 | TAsn | mwester, what? i always use the tar.bz2 ;] |
| 22:20.07 | Dave | Mwester, you should sneak in a custom splash image along with the kernels on your site that feature Lady Basil :) |
| 22:20.08 | Kagee | yeah, i tought tar.bz2 worked too |
| 22:20.20 | Dave | What a pleasant and interesting surprise that would be to many users, huh? :D |
| 22:20.32 | mwester | Dave: I detest splash screens ;) |
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| 22:21.08 | mwester | Kagee: if there is a spot on the wiki that led you to believe that, it should be updated to be more clear. |
| 22:21.21 | kd8ikt | that lastfm thingy is neat |
| 22:21.26 | Kagee | mwester, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase <<-- that? |
| 22:21.32 | kd8ikt | went and made myself an account |
| 22:22.38 | mwester | Kagee: Try flashing the jffs2 rootfs first. |
| 22:22.56 | mwester | that's more likely the issue than the u-boot being too old. |
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| 22:23.28 | Kagee | mwester, http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ <<- zero jffs2.summery files |
| 22:25.05 | mwester | hehe! That's broken -- duplicate file names. |
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| 22:25.41 | Kagee | i cant see no duplicates ? |
| 22:27.06 | vininim | mwester: could be the weather and gsm strenght but yesterday I was better of with only dimming |
| 22:27.09 | mwester | Refresh seems to have fixed it; something strange with my browser I expect... |
| 22:27.11 | kd8ikt | lol great grammar |
| 22:27.34 | mwester | But indeed, there are no jffs2 flash images for fso4. |
| 22:27.40 | mwester | Nothing to flash... |
| 22:27.55 | Kagee | mwester, nor any for fso1, 2, or 3 |
| 22:28.08 | Kagee | so how come i used to vae fso 3? |
| 22:28.13 | mwester | You don't want the old ones anyway. |
| 22:28.31 | mwester | Kagee: Clearly they got deleted for some reason. |
| 22:30.28 | Kensan | mwester: I assume it's because of the mp3 issue... |
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| 22:30.43 | mwester | I thought that too, but why would the tarballs remain?\ |
| 22:31.23 | jonkristian | hum |
| 22:31.44 | jonkristian | the autocenter in tangogps, it should center to my current location, right? |
| 22:31.54 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07fso-makefile * r856c426bca3b 10/Makefile: Added the topdir.conf generation. |
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| 22:32.12 | alphaone | jonkristian: If you have a fix, yeah |
| 22:32.30 | jonkristian | alphaone: ah, ok |
| 22:32.37 | jonkristian | no, don't have a fi |
| 22:32.38 | jonkristian | x |
| 22:33.52 | Kagee | so ... i can run fso-openmoko-console if i use the SD ? |
| 22:33.54 | jonkristian | are there several different fdom images? |
| 22:35.27 | jonkristian | Kagee: I don't see why not |
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| 22:35.28 | Kagee | johncylee, yes, 3 images - console (cli) only, zone and ilume-image |
| 22:35.54 | duffolonious | is FSO the way forward? (as opposed to 2008.9 or QT-extended) |
| 22:35.54 | Wonka | can anyone tell me how to build my own debian kernel package for the FR on x86? |
| 22:36.16 | duffolonious | Wonka: look on the wiki - you'll need the arm toolchain |
| 22:36.34 | duffolonious | and that should be all (pretty must just the gcc compiler) |
| 22:36.50 | duffolonious | toolchain |
| 22:37.25 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07fso-makefile * r9ab2385a6bb1 10/Makefile: Correct modification of topdir.conf |
| 22:37.44 | Wonka | the crosstools package seems not to exist anymore... |
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| 22:56.22 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07fso-makefile * rede541822e9d 10/Makefile: Damn me. Should look twice before putting dumb repositories... |
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| 23:11.07 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r69a3805365e4 10/packages/gstreamer/ (2 files in 2 dirs): gstreamer_0.10.17: Work around glibc bug with dlopen |
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| 23:18.53 | dtx | Hi Everybody! |
| 23:19.03 | Kagee | is it possible to konvert a tar.bz2 to a jffs2.summary? |
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| 23:21.43 | mwester-laptop | Kagee: I'm sure there's some way to do it, but nothing easy. |
| 23:21.45 | TAsn | kagee you can always just extract the tar.bz2 to flash |
| 23:21.59 | TAsn | using a distro booted from sd |
| 23:22.02 | Dave | :) |
| 23:22.18 | TAsn | further more, I can't remember the exact way to do this |
| 23:22.31 | TAsn | but you can create a file 256mb in size |
| 23:22.38 | TAsn | mount it |
| 23:22.43 | TAsn | format it to jffs2 |
| 23:22.54 | TAsn | extract the tar.bz2 to it |
| 23:23.05 | TAsn | and then unmount it |
| 23:23.11 | TAsn | and there you go ;] |
| 23:23.18 | TAsn | iirc that should work |
| 23:23.30 | TAsn | though a 256 is a huge overkill |
| 23:23.36 | dtx | So what is the new hotness for OpenMoko? |
| 23:23.37 | TAsn | you probably need something like 56mb ;] |
| 23:23.41 | dtx | Which platforms? |
| 23:23.49 | dtx | images |
| 23:23.59 | TAsn | dtx, framework (and android) in my opinion. |
| 23:24.00 | dtx | haven't touched mine in a couple months |
| 23:24.06 | TAsn | dtx, wtf?! why? |
| 23:24.10 | dtx | is there a tut for android? |
| 23:24.17 | dtx | Cuz nobody can hear me |
| 23:24.36 | dtx | well, or there is too much noise for them to understand me |
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| 23:24.52 | Kagee | TAsn, mkfs.jffs2 sould be in the Debian package mtd-tools, but i cant find it on Ubuntu |
| 23:24.53 | TAsn | I didn't install the latest android |
| 23:25.03 | TAsn | Kagee, get the debian package? |
| 23:25.06 | TAsn | or just good ;] |
| 23:25.11 | TAsn | google* |
| 23:25.16 | dtx | Does android support all the phone functions? |
| 23:25.18 | dtx | and GPS? |
| 23:25.42 | TAsn | iirc yeah. |
| 23:26.10 | mwester-laptop | dtx: And it provides world peace, and makes you coffee in the morning! |
| 23:27.03 | dtx | That's not true, I invaded Mexico just this morning |
| 23:27.29 | mwester-laptop | dtx: Android does nothing to fix the problems in the firmware and kernel and hardware. It also is somewhat crippled in that it only supports hardware keyboards, which the GTA0x devices lack. :( |
| 23:27.48 | dtx | i.e. pointless |
| 23:28.00 | mwester-laptop | Not entirely. |
| 23:28.35 | mwester-laptop | It highlights that there is much work to be done by Openmoko before any of the devices is useful for the intended purposes. |
| 23:28.54 | mwester-laptop | (regardless of user-space distro). |
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| 23:29.08 | vininim | I heard there was a calypso firmware on the way |
| 23:29.31 | mwester-laptop | They are working on fixing 666 and 1024 |
| 23:29.36 | mwester-laptop | that will be a huge help |
| 23:33.20 | ike | Good evening people. |
| 23:35.23 | SpeedEvil | Is 666 actually fixable without firmware flashing which the user can't do? |
| 23:35.55 | vininim | according to planet.om, ti will let users do it |
| 23:36.04 | vininim | *would |
| 23:36.08 | SpeedEvil | really? |
| 23:36.16 | mjr | yeah there's been some new noises along that way |
| 23:36.20 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:36.23 | mjr | but I'll believe it when I'll see it :I |
| 23:36.35 | SpeedEvil | wonders how he gets his 01 firmware updated. |
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| 23:37.18 | dtx | what are 666 and 1024 besides interesting numbers to Christians and computer scientists |
| 23:37.29 | dtx | ? |
| 23:37.38 | Tm_T | dtx: how those are interesting number to christians? |
| 23:37.39 | SpeedEvil | The bug that some 3G SIMs don't work. |
| 23:37.50 | dtx | ah |
| 23:37.56 | dtx | 666 is mark of the beast |
| 23:38.04 | SpeedEvil | And that in some circumstances the modem can repeatedly register and deregister |
| 23:38.06 | dtx | supposedly |
| 23:38.16 | Tm_T | dtx: says who? |
| 23:38.22 | dtx | Bibles |
| 23:38.27 | Tm_T | does not |
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| 23:39.21 | vininim | if I heard a bible saying anything I would be quite scared. |
| 23:39.27 | Kagee | planet.om ? |
| 23:39.37 | vininim | Kagee: planet.openmoko.org |
| 23:39.44 | dtx | Revelation 13:18 |
| 23:39.48 | dtx | ah |
| 23:39.51 | dtx | I would too |
| 23:39.58 | vininim | :) |
| 23:40.20 | dtx | I think its more interesting to mathematicians though |
| 23:42.04 | dtx | Since its the sum of the numbers 1 through 36 |
| 23:42.07 | dtx | kinda neat |
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| 23:49.54 | gurugentoo | 36*37/2=666 cool! |
| 23:51.22 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07fso-makefile * r5e05da713ceb 10/Makefile: TOPDIR is install directory plus subdirectory. |
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| 23:57.39 | Kagee | TAsn, i finally got to install mkfs.jffs2 - if i create a file with the same size as the extracted tar.bz2 it will still use all avalible space after i flash it? |
| 23:57.58 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07fso-makefile * rd6fa6c5d7a25 10/Makefile: |
| 23:57.58 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: setup-env borks on topdir.conf because of missing export. |
| 23:57.59 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This thing is eventually going to work, isn't it? |
