| 00:02.00 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4781 10/developers/werner/neobin/ (. envi): |
| 00:02.00 | CIA-51 | openmoko: neobin: directory for things to run on a Neo |
| 00:02.00 | CIA-51 | openmoko: envi: environment editor (for gta02, u-boot) |
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| 00:05.47 | Zorkman | haha |
| 00:05.50 | Zorkman | phone condoms |
| 00:06.01 | Zorkman | dave; you have experience wiht a nokia 810? |
| 00:06.20 | Zorkman | is it good? |
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| 00:09.13 | Dave | Zorkman, I hear it's awesome. |
| 00:09.27 | Dave | The only catch, is that it has no gsm. |
| 00:09.35 | Dave | It essentially is a voip phone. |
| 00:09.39 | Dave | "Internet phone" |
| 00:09.48 | Dave | So as long as you have AP access, it's great. |
| 00:09.57 | Dave | Other than that, it's an amazing phone. |
| 00:10.00 | Dave | The 800/810 |
| 00:10.25 | Zorkman | mm i could chose between another Fr or a n810 |
| 00:10.35 | Zorkman | chose the FR, when i have two, i'm gonna kill my first one :D |
| 00:10.48 | Zorkman | let all the frustration flow freely into it's casing |
| 00:11.03 | Zorkman | maybe use a little bit of gunpowder, or some chemicals/acid |
| 00:11.19 | Zorkman | bug extermination :) |
| 00:11.23 | Zorkman | gonna go to bed for real now |
| 00:11.29 | Zorkman | hold the fort! |
| 00:12.26 | Dave | wow, really? |
| 00:12.35 | Dave | haha |
| 00:12.45 | Dave | oke |
| 00:12.49 | Dave | trusten, vriend ;] |
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| 00:28.33 | slaxxin | it seemed that the fso4 images were named backwards |
| 00:29.27 | Dave | huhu |
| 00:30.00 | slaxxin | or maybe it was thaty zhone was missing |
| 00:30.38 | Dave | probably |
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| 00:32.55 | Dave | Guess who! |
| 00:33.18 | slaxxin | will the 03 modle have external access to the micro card/ |
| 00:33.42 | slaxxin | Who? |
| 00:34.26 | Dave | and slaxin, you wish! |
| 00:34.35 | Dave | Actually, most all of us wish it did :( |
| 00:34.42 | slaxxin | i dont have to wish |
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| 00:35.10 | vininim | fso naming scheme is confusing, am I supposed to download illume o rimage? |
| 00:35.22 | vininim | s/o r/or / |
| 00:35.40 | slaxxin | maybe a slot behind the battery cover would work |
| 00:36.14 | slaxxin | the image named illume has few apps an no zhone |
| 00:37.01 | slaxxin | the image without "illume" in the name has zhone |
| 00:37.33 | slaxxin | unless i was dreaming |
| 00:37.41 | gurugentoo | slaxxin: so...any images with illume & zhone? |
| 00:38.10 | slaxxin | i tried both |
| 00:38.31 | slaxxin | im on 20081111 |
| 00:39.06 | slaxxin | i was hoping fastboot was in here |
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| 00:40.03 | slaxxin | openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 00:42.29 | slaxxin | 24 sec to the boots |
| 00:43.43 | Dave | hot |
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| 00:49.35 | slaxxin | yay 72 secs |
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| 00:57.55 | johngay | Anyone use BT in 2007.2? |
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| 01:03.08 | slaxxin | superdave ? |
| 01:04.47 | Dave | Yes? |
| 01:05.22 | slaxxin | your not the dave at fdom are u? |
| 01:05.46 | Dave | http://xrl.us/ow35r |
| 01:06.05 | slaxxin | yay |
| 01:06.26 | vininim | okay, I flashed latest fso and got some magic bitmask error scrolling ad infinitum |
| 01:06.37 | slaxxin | dangit |
| 01:07.08 | vininim | something to do with jffs2 |
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| 01:08.43 | vininim | well.. I obviously should flash the decompressed image... nevermind xD |
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| 01:18.33 | tf12203 | i am looking to get an openmoko neo freerunner and use it as my primary phone. is it ready for this? is the dialer stable? |
| 01:19.12 | Wonka | it is not ready |
| 01:19.35 | tf12203 | what are the issues |
| 01:19.39 | Dave | oy |
| 01:20.04 | leinir | tf12203: The default software isn't ready for that use - you'll have to flash some other software onto it :) |
| 01:20.08 | leinir | But then yes :) |
| 01:20.19 | tf12203 | what software would you suggest |
| 01:20.25 | leinir | It depends on who you ask which software that should be - i would argue Qt Extended, for example :) |
| 01:20.26 | Wonka | leinir: which? android? |
| 01:20.40 | gurugentoo | it really depends on your expectations |
| 01:20.45 | leinir | Wonka: Ehrm... without working suspend? not really ;) |
| 01:20.48 | Wonka | from what i read, neither qt 4.4.2 nor android are ready |
| 01:20.53 | Dave | Oy |
| 01:20.57 | Dave | too many people! |
| 01:20.58 | leinir | Wonka: And no softkeyboard :) |
| 01:21.02 | Wonka | neither is fso, shr or anything |
| 01:21.07 | leinir | Wonka: Have you actually used Qt Extended yourself? :) |
| 01:21.17 | Wonka | no |
| 01:21.27 | Wonka | and i don't intend to, atm |
| 01:21.30 | leinir | Try it, before making that sort of statement ;) |
| 01:21.48 | ljp | pats leinir on the back |
| 01:21.51 | leinir | i've used it day-to-day since it was released, and it works perfectly well as a phone :) |
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| 01:21.58 | leinir | giggles :) |
| 01:22.05 | ljp | gets back to telepathy hacking |
| 01:22.29 | leinir | And on that note - time to go home and sleep :) |
| 01:22.33 | tf12203 | would it be possible to install ubuntu and then use a dialer from there, would that be a better way or would you still suggest qt extended |
| 01:26.23 | Wonka | leinirAWAY: i explicitly said "from what I heard"... |
| 01:26.43 | Wonka | argh, and those posts i "heard" are scrolled out of planet.openmoko.org |
| 01:27.35 | gurugentoo | tf12203: Debian works fine as a phone IMHO, though with a bit of tweaking |
| 01:27.39 | Wonka | might try to run it on my 512mb sd real soon now |
| 01:28.01 | Wonka | other question: wasn't there something about upgrading firmware? |
| 01:28.05 | Wonka | gsm firmware, i mean |
| 01:28.13 | slaxxin | puppy linux |
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| 01:34.21 | johngay | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.34 | Dave | Nope. |
| 01:34.37 | Wonka | unknown |
| 01:34.40 | Wonka | i'm in here |
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| 01:54.44 | KungFuJesus | wow so that commercial for the G1 that showed the UPC scanning capabilities |
| 01:54.49 | KungFuJesus | wow...I almost want one |
| 01:56.03 | slaxxin | all these other phones being developed |
| 01:56.30 | slaxxin | my friend has an htc that seems very nice |
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| 01:59.31 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 01:59.36 | Dave | I hear it's crap[py]. |
| 02:00.36 | Wonka | crap.py |
| 02:01.01 | Wonka | blu.rb |
| 02:01.03 | Dave | :D |
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| 02:01.21 | Dave | can't really do anything for perl, eh Wonka? :p |
| 02:01.25 | Dave | nothing in english, anyway |
| 02:01.32 | Wonka | i like perl |
| 02:01.36 | Dave | Yay! |
| 02:01.41 | Wonka | fiendi.sh |
| 02:01.48 | Dave | >:) |
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| 02:02.44 | Wonka | and now i go cuddle my blanket... |
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| 02:09.19 | Dave | :D |
| 02:10.02 | z3cka | is android talk fair game in here? |
| 02:10.55 | Dave | Zecka, sure. |
| 02:11.36 | z3cka | Great! |
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| 02:12.00 | Dave | Welcome back, Joerg. |
| 02:12.34 | z3cka | i'm using Sean's new android images and trying to locate the android "market" to install apps |
| 02:12.47 | z3cka | i cannot find it... |
| 02:13.19 | DocScrutinizer | hi Dave |
| 02:13.23 | z3cka | in short, how do i install new apps on android? |
| 02:14.13 | Dave | :) |
| 02:17.00 | z3cka | anyone playing with android on their freerunners? |
| 02:18.58 | weirdedout | z3cka: Have you played with android enough on the freerunner to have an opinion on it yet? |
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| 02:20.02 | Dave | heh |
| 02:20.10 | Dave | Welcome back, Sargun. |
| 02:20.13 | z3cka | yes, i like it... other than i does not have a soft keyboard yet |
| 02:20.57 | weirdedout | z3cka: bluetooth, sms, gsm all working ok? |
| 02:21.06 | z3cka | google announced that they will make one ib the 1st quarter of 2009 |
| 02:21.21 | z3cka | can receive sms |
| 02:21.27 | z3cka | can make calls |
| 02:21.35 | z3cka | volumn is too low |
| 02:21.45 | z3cka | call *volume |
| 02:21.49 | Sargun | Dave, hello |
| 02:21.59 | z3cka | other person can hear me well though |
| 02:22.18 | weirdedout | z3cka: does the infamous echo problem exist? |
| 02:22.21 | z3cka | going to test bluetooth tonight |
| 02:22.33 | z3cka | no echo! :-) |
| 02:22.40 | weirdedout | yeh |
| 02:22.57 | weirdedout | z3cka: gps? |
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| 02:23.17 | z3cka | does, however feedback in speaker phone mode |
| 02:23.36 | weirdedout | ok |
| 02:23.54 | z3cka | i need to test the GPS... but can't figure out how to get an app that uses it |
| 02:26.58 | z3cka | overall, android shows good promise, but it is not without a few hickups |
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| 02:29.13 | weirdedout | z3cka: thanks for the info. |
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| 02:31.32 | z3cka | sure no problem |
| 02:31.45 | z3cka | takes a bow. |
| 02:33.26 | Dave | :P |
| 02:35.11 | weirdedout | applaudes |
| 02:35.48 | z3cka | ha |
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| 02:37.44 | weirdedout | z3cka: I am certain there is a project I read about a couple of weeks ago about a free, very cool gps app for android. I tried searching for it but was out of luck. |
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| 02:41.39 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 02:44.26 | z3cka | Weirdedout: yes, i believe this is the android "market" ... |
| 02:44.58 | z3cka | http://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=113407&topic=15870 says to tap the market app |
| 02:45.18 | z3cka | but my image did not come with the market app |
| 02:45.33 | Dave | Hah |
| 02:45.37 | Dave | Fun :) |
| 02:45.43 | z3cka | i'm sure the G1 has it... so why not the frerunner? |
| 02:45.55 | Dave | It got left out? or is currently unsupported, perhaps? |
| 02:46.06 | z3cka | possible |
| 02:46.08 | weirdedout | maybe |
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| 03:04.05 | vininim | fso site is down? |
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| 03:25.53 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5c42412e87ae 10/packages/gstreamer/gst-plugins-good_0.10.7.bb: gst-plugins-bad: Do not build esdsink |
| 03:25.53 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rad2420b30675 10/ (conf/enterprise.conf packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb): enterprise: BBMASK mplayer and ffmpeg too |
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| 03:35.17 | AntonTakk | i was under the impression that the illume fso ms4 image still hade zhone installed, but I don't see it? |
| 03:38.23 | vininim | heh, it seems only zhone gets screen locked |
| 03:39.48 | AntonTakk | doh |
| 03:39.51 | AntonTakk | never mind |
| 03:40.40 | AntonTakk | my dumb arse downloaded the fso illume image, not the fso image |
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| 04:05.33 | slaxxin | openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 04:06.19 | vininim | mmm does fso have any alarm app? |
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| 04:20.11 | kd8ikt | i keep getting WSOD |
| 04:20.48 | charlie137 | vininim: no alarm app in FSO |
| 04:22.23 | AntonTakk | can't place a call with ms4 :( |
| 04:22.39 | Dave | You act as if you're surprised! |
| 04:22.52 | AntonTakk | could in ms2 and ms3 |
| 04:23.39 | kd8ikt | DavE! |
| 04:23.56 | AntonTakk | also keeps saying it is registered to the network |
| 04:24.08 | kd8ikt | thats a good thing |
| 04:24.34 | AntonTakk | no, means it is continually re-registering |
| 04:25.01 | kd8ikt | 'also hey the call outgoing activity thinginy doesnt take focus like incomming rings do |
| 04:25.27 | AntonTakk | always been that way |
| 04:25.32 | kd8ikt | for contacts |
| 04:25.34 | AntonTakk | for me anyways |
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| 04:25.43 | kd8ikt | yeah that blows |
| 04:26.29 | AntonTakk | zhone may only be a testing app, but it still needs to work, otherwise the average user thinks the whole thing doesn't work |
| 04:26.55 | kd8ikt | from what i hear hardly anyone is touching it |
| 04:26.59 | kd8ikt | source wise |
| 04:27.08 | kd8ikt | not me |
| 04:27.10 | charlie137 | kd8ikt: that is true |
| 04:27.21 | slaxxin | set to dissappear right? |
| 04:27.36 | charlie137 | kd8ikt: zhone has never been intended to be a polished app |
| 04:27.45 | kd8ikt | of course |
| 04:27.54 | charlie137 | kd8ikt: the framework team decided to stop working on it recently |
| 04:28.05 | kd8ikt | freesmartfone dbus |
| 04:28.12 | charlie137 | kd8ikt: cause now there are some other projects using freesmartphone dbus API |
| 04:28.25 | charlie137 | kd8ikt: so no real need to keep updating zhone |
| 04:28.29 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.07 | charlie137 | paroli |
| 04:29.20 | charlie137 | it is still in dev now |
| 04:29.35 | charlie137 | there is SHR distribution too |
| 04:30.00 | charlie137 | tichy is using freesmartphone DBus API |
| 04:30.08 | AntonTakk | last shr i tried (a few days ago) doesn't even boot |
| 04:30.20 | slaxxin | shr works well |
| 04:30.31 | AntonTakk | which image? |
| 04:30.43 | slaxxin | latest |
| 04:30.52 | AntonTakk | and by "works well" you mean as a phone? |
| 04:30.58 | kd8ikt | omg fso power config(illume/enlightenment) doesnt do anything |
| 04:31.02 | slaxxin | u have a v5 freerunner? |
| 04:31.11 | AntonTakk | i believe so, yes |
| 04:31.28 | kd8ikt | gta02v5 |
| 04:31.49 | kd8ikt | 2/5 the way there ;) |
| 04:33.21 | slaxxin | installing debian on sd then im putting shr back in flash |
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| 04:33.46 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: what's the diference between the shr glibc and the shr lite images? |
| 04:34.36 | slaxxin | i dont know |
| 04:34.55 | AntonTakk | which did you use? |
| 04:35.15 | slaxxin | shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 04:35.42 | slaxxin | uImage-2.6.24+r10+gitrf5b973489beb1a1239dfad53e3ad6e36ff7ee958-r10-om-gta02.bin |
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| 04:36.44 | AntonTakk | well, lets see, might as well give it a shot |
| 04:37.06 | AntonTakk | since i know android is mostly useless due to expecting a hw kb |
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| 04:37.57 | slaxxin | i couldnt see missed calls or stuff but i can always use my phone messages through the phone company anyways |
| 04:38.16 | AntonTakk | could make/receive calls? |
| 04:38.22 | slaxxin | i did |
| 04:38.24 | kd8ikt | you'd figure an input scheme would be trivial to implement |
| 04:38.25 | AntonTakk | send/receive text? |
| 04:38.39 | slaxxin | i think so |
| 04:38.49 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 04:39.00 | AntonTakk | any idea on batt life? |
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| 04:46.53 | AntonTakk | flashing *crosses fingers* |
| 04:48.29 | KenYoung | If it works now, you have to edit the wiki page to include "cross fingers at this point". |
| 04:48.44 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 04:48.47 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 04:49.01 | AntonTakk | starts sacrificing a chicken, just in case ;) |
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| 04:49.55 | ajuonline | i love the look of the fso ms4 zhone |
| 04:50.13 | slaxxin | pretty |
| 04:50.15 | AntonTakk | ajuonline: me too, i just t=wish it worked :) |
| 04:50.29 | slaxxin | an 1 more thing works:) |
| 04:50.31 | ajuonline | you can make calls ? |
| 04:50.44 | ajuonline | i tried calling and it worked |
| 04:50.47 | AntonTakk | ajuonline: no, and can not answer either |
| 04:50.55 | ajuonline | except the sound was very low |
| 04:51.08 | ajuonline | i didnt talk. just gave ring to my other phone |
| 04:52.41 | AntonTakk | i just don't understand the purpose behind even having a broken testing app, seems a bit like trying to diagnose a network problem with a packet sniffer that won't sniff packets |
| 04:53.57 | slaxxin | seems like theyy are holding back sorry to say |
| 04:54.36 | mwester | They test from the command line. |
| 04:54.43 | slaxxin | the qtopia image that blue tooth workrd out the box |
| 04:54.57 | slaxxin | then next image it dont |
| 04:55.08 | AntonTakk | well, i know just writing the fso libs/daemons must be taxing, bit imho, if they got one more person to primarily do dev/maintenance on zhone, i think the fso images could stand on their own |
| 04:55.23 | mwester | Are you volunteering to maintain zhone? |
| 04:55.32 | slaxxin | yayyy |
| 04:55.43 | AntonTakk | iif i knew python and had the time, i would |
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| 04:56.26 | mwester | Well, there's the problem then. Look at all the people here, and then consider that there are only a very small handful (4 or 5) that work on FSO directly, and maybe another few that work on things like SHR that use FSO. |
| 04:56.34 | mwester | Too much work, not enough volunteers. |
| 04:56.47 | slaxxin | yup |
| 04:57.06 | slaxxin | i have no skills |
| 04:57.28 | AntonTakk | i started to write a contacts manager app using c and evo data server, could never get it to display a gui thou |
| 04:57.28 | mwester | great way to learn them. |
| 04:57.46 | mwester | python is easy to learn, slaxxin. |
| 04:58.06 | AntonTakk | adds/views/removes contacts very reliably thou |
| 04:58.12 | AntonTakk | or seems to, from my testing |
| 04:58.19 | slaxxin | maybe i need to look at the prvided tutorial |
| 04:59.05 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: last time i looked ad the python-edje tutorial it didn't work, seems to not really be maintained |
| 04:59.17 | AntonTakk | (the example, not python-edje) |
| 04:59.36 | slaxxin | there are others |
| 05:00.06 | AntonTakk | true, but they looke nothing like zhone's code, last i looked anyways |
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| 05:09.56 | ajuonline | after seeing the terminal screen on my phone. i am getting tempted to work on this too :P |
| 05:10.10 | ajuonline | it doesnt wake up from suspend? |
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| 05:12.10 | ajuonline | is there a simpler way to install the debian one |
| 05:12.19 | mwester | There are outstanding issues with the GTA02 that result in many of them failing to resume from suspend. |
| 05:12.31 | ajuonline | ok |
| 05:15.23 | ajuonline | slaxxin: skills can be worked upon. especially when you've got the motivation factor of working on the devivce which you love ;) |
| 05:15.56 | slaxxin | what can be simpler than putting debian on sd |
| 05:16.15 | slaxxin | what 4 commands |
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| 05:17.06 | ajuonline | is there a link to directly download the uImage and rootfs for debian? |
| 05:17.26 | slaxxin | are u going to put it on sdcard? |
| 05:17.30 | AntonTakk | have to start the dialer from a terminal in shr? and it doesn't work anyways |
| 05:17.34 | ajuonline | no |
| 05:17.57 | ajuonline | shall i? |
| 05:18.02 | slaxxin | yes |
| 05:18.41 | slaxxin | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 05:19.07 | slaxxin | SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all |
| 05:19.35 | slaxxin | read past the installation till u get to that command |
| 05:19.48 | ajuonline | to do a wget i will need to connect it to internet |
| 05:19.49 | slaxxin | so u dont mess up |
| 05:19.59 | ajuonline | which I havent figured out yet |
| 05:20.04 | slaxxin | a problem |
| 05:20.10 | slaxxin | no |
| 05:20.27 | slaxxin | u have 2008.9 installed |
| 05:20.40 | slaxxin | ? |
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| 05:20.47 | ajuonline | fso ms4 |
| 05:21.22 | slaxxin | i dont know if u can do it from there or not |
| 05:21.24 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: i thought shr was supposed to be old 2007 gtk apps with fso internals? |
| 05:22.38 | slaxxin | i think they changed there mind |
| 05:24.43 | slaxxin | ii should have tried to install debian on sd from fsom4 |
| 05:26.57 | kd8ikt | my openbroko |
| 05:28.26 | AntonTakk | anyone else having problems with the touchscreen registering the touch above or below where you are actually touching? |
| 05:29.23 | slaxxin | on shr? |
| 05:29.40 | slaxxin | no sound good |
| 05:29.51 | AntonTakk | on all distros |
| 05:29.56 | slaxxin | nope |
| 05:31.11 | gurugentoo | on the newest shr, how do I allow ssh over wifi? /eth/dropbear/dropbear doesn't exist and adding it doesn't work |
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| 05:35.52 | gurugentoo | raster: I approve of the illume toolbar/taskbar changes (assuming it was you) |
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| 05:41.01 | Dave | Praise raster! |
| 05:41.45 | KenYoung | And a new religion is born... |
| 05:42.29 | AntonTakk | yeah, if only illume and the fso daemons weren't the only major applications that actually worked well :-\ |
| 05:43.37 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r022cb80df86f 10/packages/mplayer/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2.bb: mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2.bb: Apply ENTERPRISE_DISTRO condition for mplayer |
| 05:43.37 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r6775354c3119 10/packages/mplayer/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2.bb: mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2.bb: Apply ENTERPRISE_DISTRO condition for mplayer |
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| 05:46.35 | slaxxin | debian has some cool stuff now |
| 05:47.32 | slaxxin | yay switches |
| 05:47.43 | KenYoung | slaxxin, What cool stuff does debian do now, that the other distributions don't (other than the package management)? |
| 05:51.26 | slaxxin | well theres switches above zhone for keyboard,wifi,gsm,bluetooth, battery condition,gps,brightness |
| 05:52.30 | KenYoung | slaxxin, Switches that actually let you control something (like brightness), or just status icons? |
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| 05:53.00 | slaxxin | yup |
| 05:53.10 | slaxxin | brightness control |
| 05:53.20 | KenYoung | Very cool! |
| 05:53.39 | slaxxin | keyboard up an down |
| 05:53.51 | KenYoung | Volume control? |
| 05:53.55 | slaxxin | now to put shr back on |
| 05:54.28 | slaxxin | battery turns blue when charging |
| 05:55.14 | slaxxin | all those things i mentioned can be turned of-on via these switches |
| 05:55.24 | slaxxin | off-on |
| 05:56.46 | kd8ikt | i got a half a hydrocodone |
| 05:57.21 | kd8ikt | vico |
| 05:57.52 | slaxxin | and it shutdown correctly |
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| 06:05.41 | slaxxin | yay |
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| 06:12.11 | gurugentoo | gps no workie on SHR? |
| 06:12.20 | gurugentoo | worked on the previous version |
| 06:12.58 | gurugentoo | let me make sure after a reboot |
| 06:13.35 | gurugentoo | does a sim card have to be in by chance for it to work? |
| 06:13.46 | slaxxin | dont think so |
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| 06:24.32 | slaxxin | there we have it |
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| 06:28.16 | gurugentoo | have what? |
| 06:29.14 | slaxxin | http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/03/dash-cuts-50-employees-drastically-changing-business-model/ |
| 06:30.26 | gurugentoo | ah |
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| 06:36.01 | slaxxin | how do i set the clock in shr |
| 06:36.58 | gurugentoo | I set it with `date`, but it defaults to GMT so I need to change the time zone |
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| 06:50.11 | Coontact | Hate niggers? Join us at http://www.niggermania.com and http://www.chimpout.org This is an alliance of Whites, Hispanics, and Asians against niggers. Paid for by Chimpout.org. |
| 06:51.12 | Coontact | According to the best selling book on race and intelligence, TheBell Curve, as a group, African Americans have a average mean IQ ofonly 85 points as compared to Europeans who have an average mean IQ of 100-103points. |
| 06:51.13 | Coontact | However, in some African countries, the Average Mean IQ Level is even lower--infact, lower than 60 points on average. This occurs in many out of the wayvillages along the Zaire River Basin. Fifty percent of these Africans areeither in the retarded or moron group. |
| 06:51.17 | Coontact | Back in America, only 16% of African Americans have IQ's above 100 points,which is approximately what is required to achieve a mere D-/F+ in college.Graduation rates of a mere 32% at all-black Howard University bear thisout, and Howard University is definitely not a difficult school to attend. |
| 06:52.01 | CVirus | wtf ! |
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| 06:52.47 | Coontact | Hate niggers? Join us at http://www.niggermania.com and http://www.chimpout.org This is an alliance of Whites, Hispanics, and Asians against niggers. Paid for by Chimpout.org. |
| 06:53.19 | charlie137 | someone kick this guy out |
| 06:53.26 | CVirus | I'm reporting him |
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| 06:53.31 | gurugentoo | anyone know the procedure? |
| 06:53.43 | marsan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.58 | CVirus | #freenode |
| 06:54.06 | Coontact | !ops CVirus racist spamming |
| 06:54.08 | gurugentoo | k |
| 06:54.20 | Coontact | !ops CVirus |
| 06:54.24 | CVirus | Coontact: ? |
| 06:54.35 | SpeedEvil | stabs Coontact. |
| 06:55.59 | Coontact | According to the best selling book on race and intelligence, TheBell Curve, as a group, African Americans have a average mean IQ ofonly 85 points as compared to Europeans who have an average mean IQ of 100-103points. |
| 06:56.02 | Coontact | However, in some African countries, the Average Mean IQ Level is even lower--infact, lower than 60 points on average. This occurs in many out of the wayvillages along the Zaire River Basin. Fifty percent of these Africans areeither in the retarded or moron group. |
| 06:56.08 | Coontact | Back in America, only 16% of African Americans have IQ's above 100 points,which is approximately what is required to achieve a mere D-/F+ in college.Graduation rates of a mere 32% at all-black Howard University bear thisout, and Howard University is definitely not a difficult school to attend. |
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| 06:57.14 | Coontact | Only 2.3% of all African Americans have an IQ above 115 points, about D+/C-in college. Only 667,000 out of 29,000,000 African Americans measure above115 points as can be seen in the above illustration. This is hardly enoughIQ level in the distribution pattern to justify Affirmative Action Programs.There just aren't enough African Americans to fill the jobs available. Thatis why white women were elevated to "minority status" by affirma |
| 06:57.19 | Coontact | tiveaction executives, even though white women are far more plentiful than whitemen who are themselves a minority by comparison.* |
| 06:57.22 | Coontact | If these facts are true, there is little hope that it can be helped by anymeans known to society. |
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| 06:57.35 | marsan | wth! |
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| 06:59.57 | slaxxin | kick the fuck outa him |
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| 07:02.50 | Coontact | Lick A Cow's Menstrual Waste to Grow Bigger Balls |
| 07:02.52 | Coontact | You've got to hand to those innovative niggers in Africa, huh? Where would the rest of the world be without their mind-boggling advances and discoveries? Who would have thought that licking and eating a cow's menstrual waste could grow bigger he-man sized balls? |
| 07:03.22 | Coontact | Now we have it! Video of nigglets in Africa sucking a cow's pussy and showering in cow pee ! Yes folks, this is how niggers live when left on their own away from the 'racism' of whitey. |
| 07:04.33 | Coontact | timulate Cows with Oral Sex to Get Them Ready for Mating and Have Sex with Donkeys to Grow Bigger Penises |
| 07:04.35 | Coontact | If this nigger innovation ever got out, sales of penis pumps would plummet and cattle herds would double.. |
| 07:04.40 | Coontact | In a few societies, copulation with animals is reported for African boys, among the Tswana, Riffian, and Masai (Ford and Beach, 1951:p147, 148). Particularly herding boys may be more intimate with cattle than with the opposite sex. Nomad and Nuer herdboys are seen to drink milk straight from camel's udders (e.g., Pavitt, 1997:p147, ill.; Akalu, 1985:p46, ill.)[159]. Young boys are seen performing cunnilingus on cattle to stimulate the |
| 07:04.41 | smhar | greetings |
| 07:04.45 | Coontact | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:05.44 | smhar | I successfully installed fdom in a free runner, how can transfer a pdf file from my computer to neo? |
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| 07:10.28 | gurugentoo | scp works |
| 07:11.15 | gurugentoo | smhar: connect either through usb or wifi (or bt) and use scp |
| 07:11.23 | gurugentoo | (or gprs) |
| 07:11.32 | slaxxin | scp |
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| 07:18.15 | smhar | do I need usb networking for that? |
| 07:19.05 | gurugentoo | smhar: either usb or wifi would work |
| 07:20.02 | smhar | ok.. is there any advanced calculator available for neo? |
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| 07:20.51 | gurugentoo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HP48_Series_RPN_Calculator |
| 07:21.07 | gurugentoo | that's the best I've seen, though I have't tried it |
| 07:21.16 | smhar | thanks |
| 07:21.22 | gurugentoo | it's RPN fyi |
| 07:24.53 | methril | morning |
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| 07:30.01 | smhar | morning methril |
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| 07:40.08 | Daramarak | bloody FSO m4 killed my phone. |
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| 07:42.11 | Daramarak | Flashed yesterday, when I got up this morning it was impossible to turn it on. Has tried to remove/insert battery, start it with only usb attached, both usb and battery. Nothing. Looks like it has eaten the battery completly. |
| 07:43.09 | smhar | Daramarak: I will make a note of making sure he battery is full before trying any distro :-) |
| 07:43.38 | Daramarak | Yep, and keep it charging at all times :) |
| 07:43.47 | Daramarak | Only sort of mobile, but... |
| 07:44.47 | cjb_ie | i had a phone ten years ago that needed charging overnight and plugging in again at lunchtime. how technology has advanced :-) |
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| 07:45.45 | trupheenix | can anyone tell me where i can find the framebuffer drivers? |
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| 07:46.05 | smhar | cjb_ie: because of the time I spend using my mobile , this is the case of every phone I had :-) |
| 07:46.19 | cjb_ie | smhar: okay, this was standby time :-) |
| 07:46.40 | smhar | cjb |
| 07:46.50 | smhar | cjb_ie: :-) |
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| 07:51.04 | smhar | how to unlock a fdom screen? |
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| 07:55.45 | smhar | and where is the numbers keyboard in fdom? |
| 07:57.09 | Daramarak | ahhh ITS ALIVE!!! |
| 07:57.59 | smhar | Daramarak: congrats |
| 07:58.20 | Daramarak | Yeah... I will never again remove it from the charger. |
| 07:59.26 | marsan | haha |
| 07:59.43 | trupheenix | /home/abhi/Desktop/uImage.bin |
| 08:00.02 | marsan | its good to know i got a BL-4C for backup |
| 08:00.11 | trupheenix | hey can anyone tell me how i can pass the video option to the kernel so that it picks up the glamofb framebuffer driver? |
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| 08:11.06 | henk | uhm, wtf? why do i get a letter-only keyboard for entering the sim pin? |
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| 08:11.15 | henk | any idea what i can do about it? |
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| 08:14.10 | KenSentMe | henk, slide your finger over the keyboard vertically, you will get other charachters and numbers |
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| 08:15.40 | henk | KenSentMe: just found this on the mailing list, thank you :) |
| 08:15.53 | cjb_ie | for entering pin shouldn't it start off in number mode? |
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| 08:16.29 | KenSentMe | cjb_ie, i also think it should, but it doesnt atm |
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| 08:17.45 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:53.55 | henk | is there no 'backspace' key on the keyboard when writing sms? |
| 08:56.20 | gromez | slide to the left on the keyboard |
| 08:57.10 | Tm_T | hates non-full keyboards |
| 08:57.33 | Tm_T | though would love to have half-keyboard (that's full in its own way) |
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| 09:01.42 | henk | gromez: thanks! |
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| 09:04.37 | Daramarak | Is it possible to change illume theme from terminal? |
| 09:05.08 | KenSentMe | How can i install packages on the QT Extended 4.4.2? I can ping google, i changed the package feed to 4.4.2/neo, but i cant make a connection. Is there some other package repository for QTe packages? |
| 09:05.35 | Tm_T | KenSentMe: no |
| 09:05.49 | Tm_T | KenSentMe: currently those repositories are down |
| 09:05.56 | KenSentMe | Tm_T, and the standard repo doesnt contain any packages either? |
| 09:06.16 | Tm_T | what you mean by standard? |
| 09:06.44 | KenSentMe | Tm_T, the one that's already active in the qtopia image: http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.2/neo/ |
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| 09:07.10 | Tm_T | KenSentMe: that's the one which is down |
| 09:10.02 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r321 10/trunk/python-elementary/python-evas_svn-37587_size_hint.patch: Add patch for python-evas to use evas_object_size_hint functions |
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| 09:17.45 | henk | are there german wordlists for writing short messages? or other input methods than the keyboard? like good old number block with t9? |
| 09:18.18 | SpeedEvil | t9 is patented. |
| 09:18.42 | henk | oh ok |
| 09:18.53 | SpeedEvil | Though I can't address the other bit |
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| 09:26.09 | Daramarak | There are many web pages showing show to change wordlist |
| 09:26.38 | Daramarak | I had a Norwegian installed, before I flashed. |
| 09:28.22 | henk | hm ok, couldn't find something yet... |
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| 09:35.01 | vininim | oh my, first gps fix problem for me... gotta wait for a good weather before troubleshooting though.. |
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| 09:52.49 | blizzkid | Lo all, I was wondering if there is any possibility at all to get a couple of freerunners (like 2 or 3) sponsored for a contest? |
| 09:53.16 | Ainulindale | blizzkid: you should mail openmoko, the company |
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| 09:54.00 | blizzkid | Ainulindale: I did, but unfortunately never got a response, so I was hoping some1 frome the company would be here :-) |
| 09:54.30 | Ainulindale | I don't think so |
| 09:54.40 | Ainulindale | Not someone able to answer you I mean |
| 09:55.17 | SpeedEvil | If you mean free, I doubt it. |
| 09:55.27 | blizzkid | np, I'll just hang around and read along :) |
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| 10:28.18 | Daramarak | henk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_change_the_dictionary_used_by_the_predictive_keyboards_.3F |
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| 11:04.17 | henk | ~daoh, thanks |
| 11:04.33 | henk | Daramarak: thanks |
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| 12:34.39 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r322 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Clean code and fix errors |
| 12:38.50 | Weiss | erk |
| 12:38.54 | Weiss | MP3 licencing issues? |
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| 12:54.11 | Kronk | *yawn* |
| 12:54.14 | Kronk | Is there life ? |
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| 12:55.26 | Wonka | no |
| 12:56.27 | Daramarak | Silent, everyone is wrestling with the new FSO m4 release. |
| 12:58.28 | igor321 | hiya |
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| 12:58.44 | igor321 | is there an image that let's you check your account balance and stuff |
| 12:58.54 | igor321 | you know, with the prepaid phones |
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| 12:59.01 | igor321 | and sends dtmf? |
| 13:00.10 | Zorkman_ | is there a working alternative to zphone for in fso?. |
| 13:00.21 | Kronk | yeah just playing with it FSO m4 myself :) |
| 13:00.39 | cjb_ie | doing it through audio is so 90s! any network i've played with lets you do *#100#+send |
| 13:00.43 | Zorkman_ | if someone calls you and hangs up before you could answer it juyst keeps ringin |
| 13:00.59 | Zorkman_ | sending sms'es is also a pain in the *** |
| 13:01.04 | Kronk | I've loaded dillo web browser from www.opkg.org (which i'm currently in the process of mirroring the ipk files locally) |
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| 13:01.57 | Kronk | lol yeah played with sending sms today and it's not "pretty" however a semi-functional zone in FSO m4 is pretty sweet :) |
| 13:02.02 | Kronk | thanks the dev's ;) |
| 13:02.08 | Zorkman_ | also |
| 13:02.09 | Daramarak | How do I shutdown the phone in FSO? |
| 13:02.09 | igor321 | i tried firefox yesterday, was actually faster then i expected :) |
| 13:02.17 | Zorkman_ | but it would be nice to be able to install a working alternative :) |
| 13:02.17 | Kronk | soz Zhone ! |
| 13:02.47 | Kronk | only way I've found so far is to "shutdown now" from terminal ! |
| 13:02.52 | Kronk | Again it ain't pretty :( |
| 13:03.10 | Daramarak | What about the OM dialer, wouldn't it be possible to use that? |
| 13:03.24 | Zorkman_ | don't try to "change theme" in the top bar menu, then you lose the top bar and the possibility to use the terminal :) |
| 13:03.29 | Kronk | ASU version ? |
| 13:03.39 | Zorkman_ | don't know... |
| 13:03.40 | Daramarak | Zorkman_ Too late :( |
| 13:03.43 | Zorkman_ | anybody in here know that? |
| 13:03.48 | Kronk | does it use DBus ? |
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| 13:03.58 | Kronk | says not knowingly ! |
| 13:07.00 | Zorkman_ | what is the fso equivalent of "apm" ? if i issue that i get no output |
| 13:07.34 | igor321 | hey guys could you test if sending dtmf works for you in ms4 and zhone? |
| 13:07.46 | igor321 | for me it doesn't and it seems to be implemented |
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| 13:08.18 | Kronk | sure :) How do I do that igor ? |
| 13:08.37 | igor321 | you know those "press 1 to ...." services |
| 13:08.42 | igor321 | try one of those |
| 13:08.49 | igor321 | if it works you're sendin dtmf :) |
| 13:09.05 | Kronk | ok give us a few minutes gotta swap sims. I'll let u know :) |
| 13:09.35 | Kronk | Was there a "shutdown" answer better than terminal just out of interest ? |
| 13:09.38 | igor321 | thanks man :) |
| 13:09.59 | Daramarak | Doesn't look like it Kronk |
| 13:10.03 | igor321 | you can also abruply shut it down with the power button ;) |
| 13:10.12 | Kronk | :( |
| 13:10.16 | Daramarak | Been there, done that... :( |
| 13:10.16 | Kronk | lol |
| 13:11.27 | Daramarak | Zorkman_ do you know how change the theme back? Without a topbar? |
| 13:11.32 | Kronk | while I'm waiting to reboot does anyone know how to change the clock from "analog" to "digital" @ all ? |
| 13:11.59 | igor321 | Daramarak: remove and install illume-theme-illume |
| 13:12.05 | igor321 | via ssh |
| 13:12.10 | igor321 | that worked for me |
| 13:12.49 | Daramarak | thanks igor321 ill do that at once |
| 13:13.38 | igor321 | maybe also illume-settings or something like that, don't forget to reset x after :) |
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| 13:20.10 | igor321 | Kronk: i don't think that's possible right now, only by changing the theme to "asu" |
| 13:20.24 | igor321 | but, unexplicably, you lose the keyboard by doing that |
| 13:20.28 | Kronk | coolies :) |
| 13:21.27 | igor321 | dtmf tones, anybody? not sure if i should reopen the ticket |
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| 13:23.12 | Kronk | heck I'm not even "dialing out" in Zhone atm ? |
| 13:23.30 | igor321 | are you registered? |
| 13:23.51 | Kronk | says so and shows phone handset as green icon ? |
| 13:24.10 | Kronk | Strange it's been running fine all afternoon since I loaded the .jffs |
| 13:24.29 | Kronk | only thing I've done since then is opkg update and also loaded the dillo.ipk ? |
| 13:24.58 | igor321 | try restarting zhone |
| 13:25.26 | Kronk | yerp I'll try restarting it a "2nd" time :) |
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| 13:27.19 | Kronk | ok looks like it's up I'll try a dtmf now :) |
| 13:27.34 | igor321 | go go go :) |
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| 13:28.20 | pooze | anyone.. I'd like to copy my current rootfs over to the microSD. How would you do that? I'm trying with 'cp -a / /media/mmcblk0p2', but that is also trying to copy /proc and /sys, so no luck. Then I figured the -x option for cp on my ubuntu is telling cp to stay on one filesystem, but that option is unrecognized by the cp command on Om. Any other ideas? |
| 13:28.31 | Daramarak | How do I reset x? |
| 13:29.05 | pooze | Daramarak: I think /etc/init.d/xserver restart or something. |
| 13:29.17 | pooze | Daramarak: check to see if you have such an executable |
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| 13:29.47 | Daramarak | I had something like that... a xserver-nodm |
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| 13:30.42 | Kronk | nope igor spammed up the keys for dtmf to no avail for me :( |
| 13:30.51 | pooze | Daramarak: I'd try that one. |
| 13:30.58 | Kronk | did not work |
| 13:31.55 | igor321 | Kronk: so i see :) reopening the dtmf ticket then, we seem to have a regression on our hands! |
| 13:32.06 | igor321 | quick! to the bugmobile |
| 13:32.10 | Kronk | lol |
| 13:32.20 | pooze | how would any of you copy current rootfs to microSD ? |
| 13:32.29 | Kronk | I ain't wearing my "undies" on the outside no matter what igor ;) |
| 13:32.31 | Kronk | :P |
| 13:32.48 | SpeedEvil | pooze: tar |
| 13:32.57 | igor321 | Kronk: lol |
| 13:33.21 | igor321 | pooze: there's some talk about that on the ML |
| 13:33.22 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.47 | igor321 | or dd if=fr5rtfdss of=43242 |
| 13:34.00 | igor321 | i really hate the command line sometimes |
| 13:34.01 | SpeedEvil | goes to sleep |
| 13:34.13 | marsan | my FR battery is soon out :( |
| 13:34.17 | pooze | ok... I'll try that.. |
| 13:34.21 | Kronk | does neotool let you copy to sd ? |
| 13:34.24 | pooze | thanks SpeedEvil and igor321 |
| 13:34.32 | igor321 | np man |
| 13:34.35 | SpeedEvil | pooze: err - those weren't real command lined |
| 13:34.44 | pooze | SpeedEvil: I know. :-P |
| 13:34.45 | Kronk | lol |
| 13:34.47 | SpeedEvil | I'm really not awake enough to generate a correct one |
| 13:34.48 | SpeedEvil | ok |
| 13:34.50 | pooze | but I'll check the correct options |
| 13:34.54 | SpeedEvil | is sarcasm impared. |
| 13:35.03 | SpeedEvil | falls over aslwep. |
| 13:35.16 | Daramarak | I am getting some crc fails when booting, is that normal? |
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| 13:35.57 | Kronk | Is it just me or is Zhone still pretty unstable for call making and receiving ? |
| 13:36.17 | Daramarak | Zhone is going to be phased out now anyhow... |
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| 13:37.12 | Kronk | I'm suffering symptoms along the lines of make or receive a call then bomb out ? |
| 13:37.17 | zipo | clear |
| 13:37.38 | Ainulindale | Kronk: what do you call unstable? |
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| 13:37.52 | Kronk | ^above^ |
| 13:38.02 | Ainulindale | Kronk: Please detail :-) |
| 13:38.03 | Daramarak | Igor reinstall illume-theme-illume did not work. |
| 13:38.10 | Daramarak | How do I kill those settings? |
| 13:38.51 | igor321 | Daramarak: just a sec |
| 13:39.53 | igor321 | Daramarak: did you also reinstalll illume-settings-illume, with -force-overwrite |
| 13:40.03 | igor321 | i did that also |
| 13:40.03 | Daramarak | no |
| 13:40.13 | igor321 | try that |
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| 13:40.54 | igor321 | basically i reinstalled all those illume- things, i wasn't really clear at first |
| 13:41.03 | igor321 | sorry bout that |
| 13:41.06 | Zorkman | where is the words.dawg file located in fso? |
| 13:41.45 | Kronk | ./dfu-util -a rootfs for the win Daramarak ;) |
| 13:42.53 | Daramarak | Kronk: I am at work, on a Win#¤ws machine. |
| 13:43.07 | Kronk | usb key and live CD ;) lol |
| 13:43.33 | Daramarak | I have one, but my employment might be in danger :) |
| 13:43.42 | Kronk | :) |
| 13:43.50 | Kronk | ah well ! |
| 13:44.48 | Ainulindale | Kronk: would you please detail what you're describing as "unstable for make or receive call" ? |
| 13:45.31 | Kronk | Can succesfully send or receive a call then unable to from there untill Zhone is restarted. Zhone shows registered to network throughout |
| 13:45.32 | Zorkman | Ainulindale: if somebody calls you, and hangs up before you can answer, the ringtone just keeps going |
| 13:45.55 | Kronk | first call is fine hangup ect |
| 13:46.02 | Ainulindale | Zorkman: this is a known problem yes |
| 13:46.08 | Kronk | Calypso ? |
| 13:46.16 | Ainulindale | Kronk: hmmm this is weird |
| 13:46.27 | Ainulindale | Kronk: Could you set up frameworkd debug log level and log to file ? |
| 13:46.40 | Kronk | suppose so :) |
| 13:46.43 | Kronk | howto ? |
| 13:46.56 | Ainulindale | (/etc/frameworkd.conf : log_level = DEBUG, then new line, log_to = file, new line, log_destination = /where/space/is/available) |
| 13:47.10 | Ainulindale | (then restart frameworkd) |
| 13:47.25 | Ainulindale | Then try again, and pastebin me the log if it doesn't work :-) |
| 13:47.46 | Kronk | I'll give it a bash now :) |
| 13:48.04 | Ainulindale | Ok then |
| 13:49.17 | Daramarak | zhone is sad, looks so good and acts so bad. |
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| 13:50.02 | Zorkman | Ainulindale: you know where the words.dawg file is located in fso? |
| 13:50.16 | Ainulindale | words.dawg? |
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| 13:50.21 | Ainulindale | I don't even know what it is |
| 13:50.26 | Ainulindale | Daramarak: You should try SHR :-p |
| 13:51.06 | Ainulindale | Daramarak: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Screenshots |
| 13:52.20 | Daramarak | it also acts bad? |
| 13:53.15 | Ainulindale | Here it doesn't |
| 13:53.21 | Ainulindale | But it uses f rameworkd |
| 13:53.28 | Ainulindale | so if frameworkd fails for you |
| 13:53.29 | Ainulindale | it'll fail too |
| 13:54.12 | Daramarak | Zorkman: isn't it /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts |
| 13:54.43 | Daramarak | Zorkman: You can grab dics right from ubuntu... |
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| 13:57.25 | marsan | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ is down :( |
| 13:58.29 | leinir | They've been hit by the mp3 license idiocy |
| 13:58.39 | leinir | stabs software patents in the eyes |
| 13:58.46 | marsan | yeah |
| 13:58.48 | ixs | leinir: tell me more. |
| 13:58.57 | Kronk | does that apply to Taiwan ? |
| 13:59.01 | marsan | rules that dont even applyes to me.. |
| 13:59.04 | leinir | Why does what one country says have to make life worse for the rest of us?! |
| 13:59.25 | Kronk | Cause they got bigger "gunz" I expect ;) |
| 14:00.06 | marsan | well, time to go home |
| 14:00.44 | igor321 | is the mp3 patent valid in europe? |
| 14:01.10 | cjb | igor321: the company who owns it is based in Europe, so one would hope so. |
| 14:01.12 | leinir | igor321: Nope, in fact it's illegal |
| 14:01.27 | leinir | Denying interoperability is illegal by law |
| 14:01.58 | igor321 | you two are saying different things |
| 14:02.00 | igor321 | :) |
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| 14:02.15 | mjr | the actual fact is that Europe is not a single entity |
| 14:02.25 | leinir | Software patents don't apply in the european union |
| 14:02.32 | igor321 | i do belive there's some common law regarding that |
| 14:02.34 | Kronk | I thought u guys where one big happy "Euro" now ;) |
| 14:02.35 | igor321 | in the EU |
| 14:02.36 | Kronk | lol |
| 14:02.37 | mjr | and relevant patents may be enforcible in some countries whereas may not in some |
| 14:02.55 | leinir | In most countries they are directly illegal (for example Denmark, where interoperability is required possible by law) |
| 14:03.11 | mjr | and there is _not_ any common law on the subject that is sufficiently "clear" for the pro-patent-lobby and patent offices |
| 14:04.08 | Daramarak | The software patent law is common for all EU countries. |
| 14:04.18 | mjr | the European patent convention has been pretty much weaselworded out of its intent and the recent fight for an swpat directive ended in a stalemate, spesifically _not_ making EU-wide law on it |
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| 14:06.30 | igor321 | mjr: i there a link, where can i protest, i'm pissed off now :) |
| 14:06.34 | igor321 | *is |
| 14:07.56 | Daramarak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patents_under_the_European_Patent_Convention |
| 14:08.47 | Daramarak | igor321: what is the issue exactly? |
| 14:09.48 | igor321 | Daramarak: with me or in general? |
| 14:10.02 | Daramarak | igor321: forget it, i misunderstood :) |
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| 14:10.17 | Daramarak | It looks like I have some issues :) |
| 14:10.29 | igor321 | :) |
| 14:10.49 | Zorkman | how do i change the language for the keyboard in fso??? (i know how to do it in qtopia, but can't find the files in fso) |
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| 14:11.05 | Daramarak | Zorkman: I gave you a direction |
| 14:11.06 | Zorkman | what is the "search" command in the terminal? |
| 14:11.12 | Zorkman | sorry, must have missed it |
| 14:11.17 | Zorkman | i'll scroll up |
| 14:11.26 | Daramarak | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_change_the_dictionary_used_by_the_predictive_keyboards_.3F |
| 14:11.37 | Zorkman | thx |
| 14:11.40 | Zorkman | thx |
| 14:11.42 | Daramarak | Full description there, look under illume |
| 14:11.43 | pooze | ah... thanks for that link.. I'd like that one as well. ;) |
| 14:11.57 | Daramarak | darn pooze, ok then http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_change_the_dictionary_used_by_the_predictive_keyboards_.3F |
| 14:12.07 | pooze | oh thanks.. :D |
| 14:12.10 | pooze | now I have the link as well |
| 14:12.31 | Daramarak | you share with your friends now! |
| 14:12.39 | Zorkman | Daramarak: that doesn't work on fso, it doesn't have a /opt folder |
| 14:12.46 | pooze | it's not a one-time-link? |
| 14:13.08 | pooze | =-O |
| 14:13.09 | Daramarak | opt? Illume keyboard does not mention an opt |
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| 14:13.45 | Zorkman | ajh sory misread again |
| 14:13.46 | Zorkman | thanks |
| 14:14.19 | Kronk | Ainulindale | changed frameworkd.conf as you suggested but it doesn't seem to be dropping the log down ? |
| 14:14.23 | Kronk | Used |
| 14:14.40 | Kronk | log_level = DEBUG |
| 14:14.50 | Kronk | log_to = syslog |
| 14:14.57 | Ainulindale | You should have listened to me :-) |
| 14:15.04 | Kronk | log_destination = /home/root |
| 14:15.05 | Ainulindale | 14:46:57 < Ainulindale> (/etc/frameworkd.conf : log_level = DEBUG, then new line, log_to = file, new line, log_destination = /where/space/is/available) |
| 14:15.06 | Kronk | ? |
| 14:15.12 | Ainulindale | log_to = file |
| 14:15.23 | Kronk | ok soz |
| 14:15.28 | Ainulindale | No problem :-) |
| 14:15.35 | Kronk | sec ;) |
| 14:15.36 | Ainulindale | and log_destination = /home/root/frameworkd.log |
| 14:15.43 | Ainulindale | Specify the file name |
| 14:16.32 | zash | cd |
| 14:17.24 | slaxxin | wow |
| 14:17.45 | slaxxin | mp3 license --whats that about? |
| 14:18.16 | Kronk | what's the best way to stop and start frameworkd ? init.d ? |
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| 14:18.59 | slaxxin | debian looks better now |
| 14:19.03 | Ainulindale | Kronk: yes |
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| 14:20.43 | Daramarak | Can we not share the Om image from another server? |
| 14:20.56 | slaxxin | what happened? |
| 14:21.00 | Kronk | ok looks like I'm good to go log files there now :) |
| 14:21.06 | Kronk | starts dialing away :) |
| 14:22.01 | Kronk | /time |
| 14:22.08 | Kronk | doh ;) |
| 14:23.50 | Zorkman | i have a words.dawg file but want to convert it to a .dic file, is there a way to do this? |
| 14:25.06 | Kronk | Ok dropped out then when I hang recieving phone up before freerunner ! |
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| 14:25.40 | spydon | Zorkman, isnt .dic just words :P |
| 14:25.54 | Daramarak | spydon it is words and usage data |
| 14:26.10 | spydon | ah okay |
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| 14:27.27 | slaxxin | what mp3 law is openmoko in violation of anyways? |
| 14:28.35 | Kronk | Just PM'd u with that log file Ainulindale :) |
| 14:31.10 | slaxxin | so fdom will be soon to follow |
| 14:32.57 | Ainulindale | Kronk: ps auxw | grep framework |
| 14:34.05 | mwester | reads the backlog |
| 14:34.25 | mwester | So, what's up? did the mp3 commandos raid Om, then? |
| 14:34.38 | Kronk | I noticed when I stopped frameworkd it appeared to still be up when I ran "ps aux" to check ? |
| 14:34.50 | Kronk | It appears so mwester ;( |
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| 14:35.07 | Kronk | I knew I should've "mirrored" ;) |
| 14:35.08 | mwester | Oh well. |
| 14:35.38 | Daramarak | I got all the Om2008.9 images home |
| 14:36.57 | Kronk | u in a software patent "free" country ???? lol |
| 14:37.18 | Daramarak | Yes indeed |
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| 14:38.12 | Kronk | host up then ;) |
| 14:38.58 | Daramarak | My server died months ago :( |
| 14:39.11 | Dave | wah wah |
| 14:39.32 | Daramarak | (;.;) |
| 14:39.34 | Dave | Mwester, who got raided? |
| 14:39.34 | Wonka | why do i get those messages since some time? |
| 14:39.35 | Wonka | rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x00000001 |
| 14:39.46 | Dave | gives damarak a cookie |
| 14:39.49 | mwester | I dunno, I'm just reading the back log here. |
| 14:40.03 | Wonka | ch varies, rxs is mostly 0x00000001, sometimes 0x0000000c |
| 14:40.35 | Wonka | the originator of that message is s3c24xx_serial_rx_chars() in drivers/serial/samsung.c |
| 14:40.45 | Daramarak | wipes his tears. |
| 14:40.46 | mwester | Wonka: Yep, that's a feature. |
| 14:41.06 | mwester | Wonka: it's telling you that you have overruns, parity errors, or other bad things on the serial port. |
| 14:41.11 | Wonka | mwester: what do those messages mean? |
| 14:41.15 | Wonka | mmh. |
| 14:41.35 | mwester | You can ignore that if you know that's expected (often the case at startup of an application or device). |
| 14:41.35 | Wonka | wildy varying ch... |
| 14:41.56 | Wonka | i got pages of them... |
| 14:42.03 | mwester | It's enabled as a kernel message because a lot of apps don't check for errors, which would result in random failures with no error messages anywhere. |
| 14:42.23 | Wonka | will try to look when they come |
| 14:42.32 | Dave | THEY'RE COMING. |
| 14:42.39 | Wonka | what do ch and rxs mean? |
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| 14:43.09 | toggles_w | Dave: The android keyboards? |
| 14:43.10 | slaxxin | dave how can an mp3 violation occur on os files? |
| 14:43.10 | mwester | Wonka: It could be as simple as your gps is on and running, but nothing is reading the data from the serial port. ch is the character that was read, rxs is the raw status bits (error code) from the hardware. |
| 14:43.11 | Wonka | gsm is switched off, gps is on, debug board is not connected |
| 14:43.35 | Dave | slaxin, it doesn't want you playing them. |
| 14:43.41 | slaxxin | :) |
| 14:43.44 | mwester | if gps is off, and no debug board, then the only source is gps -- you probably don't have anythign reading the gps data. |
| 14:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: Fraunhofer owns patent on MP3. |
| 14:43.54 | Wonka | mwester: frameworkd is running, fso-gpsd too, tangogps too - should be reading... |
| 14:43.55 | mwester | er, if gsm is offf, I mean. |
| 14:44.06 | mwester | well, apparently it's not... |
| 14:44.13 | slaxxin | doc why is om in violation/ |
| 14:44.26 | Kensan_ | ringtones? |
| 14:44.28 | mwester | slaxxin: gstreamer, libmp3 |
| 14:44.33 | slaxxin | ok |
| 14:44.36 | mwester | slaxxin: mplayer |
| 14:44.41 | mwester | and the list goes on... |
| 14:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | selling devices with MP3 code is mandatory to buy licence from Fraunhofer |
| 14:44.53 | mwester | they all have to be rebuilt without mp3 suppor. |
| 14:44.56 | Dave | Joerg! |
| 14:45.13 | Dave | because they own the format? |
| 14:45.15 | slaxxin | dag nabbit |
| 14:45.31 | Dave | damn germans. :P |
| 14:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | because they have a MP3-decoder |
| 14:45.36 | Dave | o.O |
| 14:45.38 | slaxxin | need a new format |
| 14:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | yup :-D |
| 14:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: USE OGG! |
| 14:45.57 | Daramarak | skip the whole mp3 shit, ill use ogg |
| 14:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.18 | Dave | boo |
| 14:46.21 | Kronk | could be time to convert my library to .ogg me thinks :) |
| 14:46.22 | slaxxin | me to |
| 14:46.22 | Dave | FLAC |
| 14:46.26 | Weiss | slaxxin: check the very recent post on OM-Community |
| 14:46.32 | Dave | mp4? |
| 14:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: same issue IIRC |
| 14:46.59 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 14:47.00 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 14:47.21 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse! |
| 14:47.29 | nuclear_eclipse | howdy |
| 14:47.33 | Dave | \o/ |
| 14:47.47 | Dave | Man, that reminds me, you know what all these new images need... |
| 14:47.50 | Dave | NET |
| 14:47.57 | Weiss | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035635.html (more detailed explanation of the MP3 situation) |
| 14:47.59 | nuclear_eclipse | that's why I install it myself :P |
| 14:48.10 | nuclear_eclipse | oh-puzzles FTW! |
| 14:48.31 | Dave | :D |
| 14:48.38 | Dave | high-fives nuclear eclipse |
| 14:48.53 | nuclear_eclipse | will brb, testing something |
| 14:48.55 | Dave | Weiss, man, who reads community anymore? |
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| 14:49.25 | Mononoke | where is downloads.openmoko.org hosted? |
| 14:49.40 | Mononoke | I'm sure patent trolls don't annoy livna nor rpmfusion :) |
| 14:49.44 | Dave | traceroute? |
| 14:49.53 | slaxxin | doesnt sound lioke a big problem |
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| 14:51.49 | Kronk | I still read Community ! "just" ;) |
| 14:52.04 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4782 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/src/mokoterminal.vala: openmoko-terminal2: fix non-working terminal in OE, work around bug in VTE *sigh* |
| 14:52.37 | Dave | :D |
| 14:52.43 | Dave | haha mickey |
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| 14:56.16 | Ainulindale | Kronk: pastebin.com, as I told you before your frameworkd log paste in my face =) |
| 14:56.38 | Kronk | lol |
| 14:56.41 | Kronk | oops ! |
| 14:58.05 | slaxxin | looks like somebody is trying their best to derail u guys |
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| 14:59.06 | Zorkman | anybody known where a doom ipk is? |
| 14:59.07 | slaxxin | think it will be a couple of days or what? |
| 14:59.11 | Zorkman | http://opendoom.googlecode.com/files/opendoom_0.1_armv4t.ipk is no longer available |
| 14:59.44 | Zorkman | never mind |
| 14:59.55 | slaxxin | did u find? |
| 15:00.17 | Zorkman | yeah http://opendoom.googlecode.com/files/opendoom_0.1.1_armv4t.ipk :) |
| 15:01.17 | Zorkman | what is the equivalent of apm btw in fso?? |
| 15:01.22 | Zorkman | it returns a blank line |
| 15:01.25 | Dave | Motherfuck! |
| 15:01.38 | Tm_T | Dave: be nice, son |
| 15:01.41 | Dave | Have you guys seen the shit in http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ |
| 15:01.46 | Dave | :*( |
| 15:02.13 | slaxxin | what u need dave? |
| 15:02.19 | Zorkman | yeah dave |
| 15:02.25 | Zorkman | it was on the ml list also |
| 15:02.29 | slaxxin | still have fdom |
| 15:02.54 | Dave | So I assume then, this is what everybody was talking about earlier. |
| 15:02.55 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 15:02.56 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 15:03.25 | slaxxin | think it will be a couple of days or what? |
| 15:03.29 | toggles_w | Dave: Never ass u me. |
| 15:03.34 | Dave | Fuck you, Ray Chao! |
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| 15:04.12 | Daramarak | Dave, could you please focus your anger on those who patented mp3? |
| 15:04.23 | Tm_T | Daramarak: wrong target |
| 15:04.40 | Tm_T | Daramarak: focus on who refuses to use ogg instead of old and ugly mp3 |
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| 15:05.03 | Daramarak | I do not blame people for being stupid, only for beeing EVIL |
| 15:05.16 | Tm_T | evil is ok, ignorance isn't |
| 15:05.25 | duffolonious | how do I tell if the battery is charging (assuming the GUI is wrong)? |
| 15:05.31 | Kronk | Is there any know issues with FSO m4 and reading or writing to 2 gig SD cards ? |
| 15:05.44 | Weiss | duffolonious: "apm" in a terminal |
| 15:05.49 | lindi- | duffolonious: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/energy-logger2 |
| 15:06.13 | Dave | Daramarak, no, I just disregard them. |
| 15:06.16 | Dave | Because it's stupid. |
| 15:07.16 | lindi- | your swearing is stupid too :P |
| 15:07.33 | duffolonious | Weiss, lindi-: cool, thanks |
| 15:07.46 | Mononoke | maybe they'll finaly focus on release and 2008.11 wil be good :P |
| 15:09.48 | Dave | Hah! |
| 15:09.50 | Dave | Fat chance :p |
| 15:10.04 | slaxxin | we like fat chances |
| 15:11.06 | Zorkman | mmm fat cheeses |
| 15:11.15 | slaxxin | does the shr battery supposed to work? |
| 15:11.27 | slaxxin | battery meter |
| 15:11.31 | duffolonious | hmmm... for some reason it's not charging (on either the wall plug or the usb cable) |
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| 15:12.49 | Zorkman | anyone know how to solve this: /usr/games/opendoom: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_net-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:14.32 | slaxxin | opkg install libSDL_net-1.2.so.0: ?? |
| 15:14.41 | marsan | should try install libSDL as slaxxin says |
| 15:16.13 | slaxxin | i think there were 3 files to install prior to installing doom |
| 15:17.53 | lindi- | slaxxin: shouldn't dependencies handle that? |
| 15:18.13 | slaxxin | im real good at being wrong though |
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| 15:20.19 | duffolonious | is there a way to force this thing to use A/C power only? |
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| 15:20.42 | lindi- | duffolonious: GSM needs battery afaik |
| 15:20.59 | duffolonious | lindi-: ok |
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| 15:21.23 | lindi- | duffolonious: since the peak current might be more than 500mA, or that's the idea i've got |
| 15:22.01 | duffolonious | lindi-: and it doesn't know it's plugged into the wall charger (getting 1A) |
| 15:22.22 | lindi- | duffolonious: it should know it |
| 15:22.58 | duffolonious | then you think it would use A/C power then (if the GSM modem needing more than 500mA is the issue) |
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| 15:23.37 | Zorkman | marsan, slaxxin: libSDL was already up to date |
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| 15:25.20 | slaxxin | i installed doom last night |
| 15:25.29 | slaxxin | on fdom |
| 15:26.15 | lindi- | duffolonious: maybe it needs more than 1A? ;) |
| 15:26.46 | Zorkman | slaxxin: i also already did it on fdom, but on fso it gives that error.. |
| 15:26.56 | Kronk | run ok slaxxin ? |
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| 15:27.16 | Zorkman | i rebooted and opkg updated and now it can't find libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 |
| 15:31.13 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r81baa47011a6 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Unify timeout for all CPIN commands (thanks quickdev!) |
| 15:31.33 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2d4add763ec5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
| 15:32.12 | ike | Whoa. FSO's ringtone is awsome. |
| 15:32.17 | ike | awesome even. |
| 15:32.22 | Kronk | lol |
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| 15:32.46 | Kronk | prefers the "silent" mode |
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| 15:33.13 | Kronk | however the FSO ring tone is ceartainly "diffrent" :) |
| 15:33.26 | Zorkman | :) |
| 15:34.24 | ike | My workmates are surprised and ask "so this thing actually works?" ;-) |
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| 15:35.33 | soltys | ike: ;)) |
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| 15:36.43 | ike | hia soltys. |
| 15:36.43 | Zorkman | ike: don't let them call you and hang up before you can answer the call, because then you will be hearing and dancing to the fso ringtone all day long :p |
| 15:37.56 | ike | Zorkman: ;-) i like the ringtone. |
| 15:38.10 | cjb_ie | ike: all day? |
| 15:38.42 | ike | I don't believe that FR's battery would last all day long playing this ringtone over and over again. |
| 15:39.08 | lindi- | i don't like the ringtone |
| 15:39.15 | ike | cjb_ie: and I can enter Kronk's favourite mode namely silent. ;-) |
| 15:40.02 | ike | Hm. However the thing doesn't want to suspend. In FSO (m4) I should press power button for two seconds to suspend, right? |
| 15:41.49 | slaxxin | Kronk ran good on fdom |
| 15:42.04 | Kronk | sweet I'll have to check it out tommorow ;) |
| 15:42.36 | slaxxin | with sound only had a rough time with menu system on doom |
| 15:42.51 | Zorkman | can fso play midi's as ringtones? |
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| 15:43.45 | ike | :/ The ringtone doesn't work after 'apm -s' suspend. |
| 15:43.55 | slaxxin | dont need doom |
| 15:44.47 | Kronk | wasted an hour or two on duke3d in fdom a couple of weeks ago. The new "no sound" version run's well. Heaps of fun and too many "flashbacks" to a wasted youth ;) |
| 15:45.08 | slaxxin | ahhh its all experience |
| 15:45.37 | Kronk | lol |
| 15:45.40 | slaxxin | i never played either of those games |
| 15:46.03 | Kronk | accelerometers are "way cool" but it is a pain going forward as the screen keeps getting pushed away from you ! |
| 15:46.04 | slaxxin | too busy being a mechanic |
| 15:46.06 | Kronk | rofl |
| 15:46.16 | ike | ;-) I've played Beneath a Steel Sky for a day! This one is classic. |
| 15:46.27 | Kronk | is a big fan of the "run away" option lol |
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| 15:46.37 | Kronk | yeah I want to get scummvm going on the freerunner :) |
| 15:46.52 | Zorkman | zhone keeps tagging a message as unsent, you have to restat zhone... kind of a drag... |
| 15:46.54 | Kronk | Have Day of the Tenticle, Monkey Island, etc, etc :) |
| 15:47.01 | Zorkman | Kronk: scummvm worked ages ago |
| 15:47.07 | Kronk | seen 'em run on the Nokia 810's very nice :) |
| 15:47.07 | slaxxin | i want to get a good phone system in shr |
| 15:47.09 | Zorkman | i ran it on 2007.2 and the asu |
| 15:47.13 | Kronk | yeah I know |
| 15:47.17 | Kronk | = lazy ;) |
| 15:47.34 | slaxxin | slaxxin is the lazy |
| 15:47.38 | Zorkman | Kronk: it's just an opkg install away from you :p (and possibly editting a .desktop file) |
| 15:47.46 | Kronk | lol |
| 15:47.59 | Kronk | as above ^ "phone first" ;) |
| 15:48.04 | Zorkman | true |
| 15:48.19 | laen | Oh hey! |
| 15:48.28 | laen | So, i guess Zhone has been improved right? |
| 15:48.34 | Zorkman | improved?? |
| 15:48.40 | laen | Not? |
| 15:48.45 | slaxxin | and i need a working battery meter like the 1 in fso4 installed in shr |
| 15:48.47 | Zorkman | only marginally usable i think |
| 15:49.01 | Zorkman | slaxxin: doesn't shr use python? |
| 15:49.04 | Zorkman | there is batmon |
| 15:49.06 | laen | And they're gonna ditch Zhone in the future right? |
| 15:49.11 | Zorkman | ju |
| 15:49.12 | Zorkman | p |
| 15:49.18 | slaxxin | an maybe a handy sound testing like openmoocoo |
| 15:49.21 | laen | Zo, where are we gonna call with? :) |
| 15:49.22 | Zorkman | zhone was just a proof of concept i think |
| 15:49.29 | cjb_ie | open moo cow? |
| 15:49.35 | laen | Whut? :P |
| 15:49.47 | ike | Erm. I don't want to be ignorant here but anyone knows maybe what constant lighting of orange LED means? |
| 15:50.08 | slaxxin | charging in debian,shr |
| 15:50.11 | laen | Batt empty! |
| 15:50.19 | alphaone | charging |
| 15:50.23 | Zorkman | slaxxin: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/ |
| 15:50.28 | laen | Oh constant lightning is charging indeed, flickering is empty batt. |
| 15:50.36 | slaxxin | turns blue when complete |
| 15:50.38 | Kronk | yerp in FSO as well :) |
| 15:50.42 | Kronk | or is it red ? |
| 15:50.49 | Kronk | Colour blind ;) |
| 15:51.11 | toggles_w | Kronk: blue |
| 15:51.17 | igor321 | Kronk: "opkg install scummvm" are you really that lazy? :) |
| 15:51.24 | Kronk | lol ;) |
| 15:51.47 | slaxxin | but then step 2 is gotta get the game |
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| 15:52.26 | slaxxin | Zorkman wat is it? |
| 15:52.34 | Daramarak | and then you'll have to play it... I cannot understand why anyone bothers :) |
| 15:52.46 | Kronk | classic's ;) |
| 15:53.00 | Kronk | They don't "make 'em like they used to" ! |
| 15:53.04 | Kronk | That kinda thing lol |
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| 15:53.33 | Zorkman | anybody know where moko-gtk-theme and moko-gtk-engine are? |
| 15:53.33 | PloenK | Hi, is there a dates2google sync app?! |
| 15:53.40 | Zorkman | slaxxin: battery meter |
| 15:53.44 | slaxxin | ok |
| 15:53.53 | Zorkman | slaxxin: and temperature, and current current, time left, force fast charge... |
| 15:54.29 | slaxxin | yay |
| 15:54.31 | laen | Zorkman: so uhm, when Zhone vanishes from teh earth ball.. are they gonna hand us a new app, or do we need to depend on other projects providing sort of the same? |
| 15:54.49 | slaxxin | om has it |
| 15:55.19 | slaxxin | on the 2008.11 release coming soon |
| 15:55.20 | Zorkman | laen: as far as i know they will make the dialers from 2008.x compatible with fso |
| 15:55.40 | Kronk | sweet :) |
| 15:55.44 | slaxxin | its on 2008.8 |
| 15:55.54 | laen | Hm, i kinda have no idea what's on 2008.8 :) |
| 15:56.07 | slaxxin | 2008.9? |
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| 15:56.12 | Kronk | Zhone was really just proof of concept I thought ? |
| 15:56.18 | Kronk | correct me if I'm wrong of course :) |
| 15:56.41 | laen | Isn't Zhone the phone app in 2008.9 too? |
| 15:56.47 | Zorkman | nope |
| 15:56.55 | Zorkman | laen that is openmoko-dialer2 |
| 15:56.57 | laen | Ahaa. Thats where my mind twisted to the wrong side. |
| 15:57.02 | Zorkman | (and you can also use qtopia-dialer) |
| 15:57.21 | laen | Yeah cause uh.. Zhone sort of doesn't wanna sms. At all. |
| 15:57.39 | Zorkman | laen: you can send sms's in zhone in milestone4 |
| 15:57.44 | slaxxin | only thing i can sms on is shr |
| 15:57.46 | Zorkman | it's just the king of user unfriendlyness |
| 15:58.02 | Zorkman | slaxxin: what are the main bugs in shr if i may ask? haven't tried it |
| 15:58.11 | Zorkman | i just want a semi-reliable phone |
| 15:58.17 | kd8ikt | i am getting mass occurrances of WSOD with m4 |
| 15:58.27 | Zorkman | reproducable? |
| 15:58.34 | Zorkman | i haven't ever seen a WSOD |
| 15:58.34 | Daramarak | Zorkman 2008.9 was 100% semi reliable |
| 15:58.36 | slaxxin | cant see missed, recieved,outgoing ,dialed calls |
| 15:58.38 | kd8ikt | for me? yes |
| 15:58.39 | laen | Zorkman: i'm sort of overreacting, replying on sms messages worked sometimes.. don't ask me why the sometimes :) |
| 15:58.41 | Zorkman | (gta02 r5) |
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| 15:59.10 | kd8ikt | i think my hardware might be screwed up |
| 15:59.13 | Zorkman | Daramarak: but was it fast enough to answer a call when it was suspended? |
| 15:59.24 | slaxxin | i can dial my phone company an get my missed calls |
| 15:59.38 | Zorkman | slaxxin: that is also not very userfriendly... |
| 15:59.40 | Daramarak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.50 | Zorkman | hmmmm |
| 16:00.01 | Zorkman | maybe i could try that again... |
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| 16:00.15 | Zorkman | fso has good echo settings though, i like it, they borrowed the state file from fdom |
| 16:00.24 | slaxxin | the battery icon is inoperable |
| 16:00.33 | Kronk | fdom plays mp3's ok atm right ? |
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| 16:00.54 | Zorkman | dunno, |
| 16:01.02 | Kronk | hrm |
| 16:01.04 | Zorkman | it has pythm si i guess it does |
| 16:01.06 | slaxxin | need to just use that space where the icon is for the battery setup/monitor |
| 16:01.16 | Kronk | tries to get his head around this whole software patent gig ! |
| 16:01.30 | Kronk | pretty sure it did in pythm last time I tested it ? |
| 16:01.38 | Kronk | just wondering if anyone's using it atm ? |
| 16:02.12 | slaxxin | kronk-- get the comic strip game for openmoko an read it |
| 16:02.29 | kd8ikt | heh i'm gonna write up a "pedometer" progy |
| 16:02.41 | kd8ikt | using the accellerometers |
| 16:02.44 | slaxxin | useful |
| 16:02.52 | Kronk | cool |
| 16:02.57 | kd8ikt | nah kinda lame |
| 16:03.04 | Kronk | ? |
| 16:03.08 | kd8ikt | but i think its funny my mom has like 50 of em |
| 16:03.11 | Kronk | why ? |
| 16:03.23 | Kronk | Think of the "female" market :) |
| 16:03.32 | kd8ikt | slim to none? |
| 16:03.34 | cjb_ie | "yo momma so fat..." |
| 16:03.39 | Kronk | lol |
| 16:03.58 | Zorkman | when i run fdisk i get Segmentation fault |
| 16:04.09 | slaxxin | on sdcard/ |
| 16:04.10 | Zorkman | i have unmounted both partitions on sd |
| 16:04.12 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 16:04.12 | Ainulindale | Kronk ? |
| 16:04.14 | kd8ikt | i like SHR |
| 16:04.18 | Ainulindale | Sorry, my connection borked |
| 16:04.26 | Kronk | np's |
| 16:04.27 | slaxxin | mine did that |
| 16:04.27 | Ainulindale | Kronk: could you give me your pastebin again please? |
| 16:04.36 | Kronk | np's |
| 16:04.42 | Kronk | it's very big though !@ |
| 16:04.49 | Kronk | would you prefer the file ? |
| 16:04.53 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: You like SHR? Care to explain what you like? |
| 16:04.57 | Ainulindale | Kronk: just use pastebin.com please |
| 16:05.05 | Kronk | ok |
| 16:05.21 | kd8ikt | icons for one |
| 16:05.28 | kd8ikt | illume for 2 |
| 16:05.35 | toggles_w | Dave for 3 |
| 16:05.42 | Ainulindale | And the apps themselves are working properly? |
| 16:05.43 | kd8ikt | and wtf the display keeps going to sleep |
| 16:05.48 | slaxxin | battery is pretty but DONT WORK!!!!! |
| 16:05.58 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: battery works here |
| 16:06.11 | Ainulindale | It just outputs warning now and again when the dbus call fails |
| 16:06.36 | kd8ikt | what fricken daemon is messing with my display |
| 16:06.38 | slaxxin | i have installed it twice an gives no indication the charge level |
| 16:06.46 | kd8ikt | fading in and out and sleeping it |
| 16:06.56 | kd8ikt | thats what gives me the Wsod |
| 16:07.08 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: Please care about one thing, a known issue |
| 16:07.10 | mickeyl | disable lock |
| 16:07.13 | Ainulindale | If you boot with USB plugged in |
| 16:07.22 | Ainulindale | Then it'll try to suspend and won't be able to resume |
| 16:07.22 | slaxxin | ahh |
| 16:07.24 | mickeyl | laf0rge's power saving patch provokes WSOD |
| 16:07.28 | Ainulindale | Unplug USB at boot (only) |
| 16:07.30 | slaxxin | i remember that |
| 16:07.38 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: We don't use that in SHR I think |
| 16:07.52 | Zorkman | mickeyl: is there anyway to get another dialer/sms app in FSO ms4? |
| 16:08.08 | Ainulindale | Zorkman: yep, you have to use SHR |
| 16:08.10 | kd8ikt | but i set the settings and illume fonfig wrench to not suspend BUT IT STILL FRICKEN DIMS THE DISPLAY? who's doing that |
| 16:08.24 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: that's because these settings aren't the one applied |
| 16:08.32 | laen | Since when is dimming a display the same as suspend. Weird people. Toilet time! |
| 16:08.33 | slaxxin | thats so funny |
| 16:08.34 | kd8ikt | i know its crazy |
| 16:08.38 | Kronk | Ainulindale | http://pastebin.com/m27409dab |
| 16:08.39 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: check in /etc/oeventsd/rules.yaml |
| 16:08.49 | mickeyl | kd8ikt: change /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 16:08.52 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.32 | Ainulindale | Kronk: what was your problem again ? :-) |
| 16:10.10 | Ainulindale | (And just so you know, there's no call in this log) |
| 16:10.13 | Zorkman | fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 gives Segmentation fault, anybody know how to resolve this? |
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| 16:10.20 | Kronk | Zphone seems to make pretty much one call in or out then dropping offline ? Sometimes re-registering to network, sometimes not ! |
| 16:11.07 | Zorkman | mickeyl: is there no moko-gtk available for fso? |
| 16:11.12 | Kronk | dont' think it's poor mobile reception. Have gta01 sitting on same desk with qtopia 4.2.2 loaded and that seams to be running ok |
| 16:11.21 | mickeyl | moko-gtk? you mean the theme? |
| 16:11.25 | Kronk | seams = seems ! |
| 16:11.28 | lindi- | Kronk: it's probably the deep leep bug |
| 16:11.30 | lindi- | Kronk: sleep |
| 16:11.36 | Ainulindale | Kronk: edit /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 16:11.40 | Ainulindale | Find the [ogsmd] section |
| 16:11.47 | Ainulindale | Then add that : ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never |
| 16:11.51 | Pyrasi | does anyone know if Milestone 4 is available on Debian yet? |
| 16:11.52 | mickeyl | i don't like the theme too much, but feel free to install it |
| 16:11.57 | Kronk | ok |
| 16:12.18 | Zorkman | mickeyl: i don't know if it is a theme, it to make things like tangogps look better |
| 16:12.26 | Ainulindale | Kronk: then restart frameworkd |
| 16:12.29 | Zorkman | and i need it for a few python apps, but opkg can't find it |
| 16:12.35 | Kronk | righto |
| 16:12.36 | slaxxin | debian will prolly take some time to fix a few things before they build |
| 16:13.49 | slaxxin | i installed the latest debian this morning an there are some improvements |
| 16:13.59 | Pyrasi | so I wont be able to just apt-get update to FSO M4 from M3 installed with debian right? |
| 16:14.17 | slaxxin | switches that work at the top of zhone |
| 16:14.28 | slaxxin | maybe |
| 16:14.38 | slaxxin | i dont know |
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| 16:16.36 | hackbert130 | i just tried to compile the glamo patched mplayer repo from http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ on my freerunner debian, it compiled for about 7 hours without errors and then :http://pastebin.com/m115ad320, if anybody could take a look or tell me how to get mplayer talk to glamo on debian pls help! |
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| 16:17.14 | Zorkman | why isn't that glamo standard by know? it's been almost a half year ago that was written |
| 16:17.35 | lindi- | hackbert130: does it compile wihout the patch? |
| 16:17.38 | kd8ikt | ok i got a delema i have some crazy drug dealer that likes to txt msg me everyday at noon saying "wats up" |
| 16:17.47 | hackbert130 | lindi : didnt try |
| 16:17.57 | lindi- | hackbert130: always start from the working version :) |
| 16:18.00 | Zorkman | lol kd8ikt: strange friends you have :) |
| 16:18.07 | lindi- | hackbert130: and move towards the unknown |
| 16:18.16 | kd8ikt | it was a one time thing now he whats to rip me off everyday |
| 16:18.36 | Zorkman | phone firewall |
| 16:18.39 | hackbert130 | lindi: mhm i didnt want to do the work of patchin it again since it had been done already |
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| 16:19.02 | kd8ikt | awe dude but my friend gave me a vic and a something lam pam diazapan (valium thingy) |
| 16:19.11 | lindi- | hackbert130: but the patch only modifies some files |
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| 16:19.17 | kd8ikt | i'm floatin now |
| 16:19.17 | lindi- | hackbert130: you only need to re-compile those files? |
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| 16:19.49 | lindi- | hackbert130: i'll check how long it takes to compile mplayer here |
| 16:19.56 | hackbert130 | lindi: mhm will have a look |
| 16:21.04 | Zorkman | can't understand why after all these months there isn't even a simple, easy to use mediaplayer... |
| 16:21.21 | sicu | anyone know how to resolve the 'Segmentation fault' on fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 ? |
| 16:21.26 | lindi- | Zorkman: aren't there many? |
| 16:21.34 | lindi- | Zorkman: mplayer for example |
| 16:22.09 | Zorkman | lindi-: there a lot of ugly ones (the one from fso) pythm, mplayer withouth a gui, openmoko-mediaplayer2 withought icons... |
| 16:22.25 | Zorkman | none of them is even near what you expect from a 10euro mp |
| 16:22.28 | Zorkman | mp3player |
| 16:22.35 | kd8ikt | i still havent made my frontend to mpplayer |
| 16:23.38 | Daramarak | Zorkman: It is ours to improve... |
| 16:24.04 | lindi- | Zorkman: xmms? |
| 16:24.37 | igor321 | i just got an last.fm account to try that vagalume app, my god last.fm is full of win |
| 16:24.43 | igor321 | why wasn't i told about this |
| 16:25.27 | Zorkman | most frontends require scrolling with a stylus, are not very responsive, unintuitive and crash withouth reason |
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| 16:26.25 | sicu | igor321: full of win? |
| 16:26.46 | igor321 | sicu: it means it's really really great |
| 16:26.50 | valos[fr] | Zorkman: have you tried mokoko http://code.google.com/p/om-mediaplayer/ |
| 16:27.30 | igor321 | valos[fr]: uuu looks, nice, efl |
| 16:27.35 | igor321 | *looks nice |
| 16:28.02 | valos[fr] | Zorkman: very very simple but it works, i use it in random mode |
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| 16:28.19 | Kronk | Ainulindale | That seems to be better thanks :) |
| 16:28.31 | Kronk | So is that the Calypso problem I was suffering at all ? |
| 16:28.33 | Zorkman | i'll try it |
| 16:29.03 | Ainulindale | Kronk: seems like it |
| 16:29.38 | Kronk | Is that problem related to the sim or the Network Provider ? |
| 16:29.49 | Zorkman | valos[fr]: i need libeina0 (>= 0.0.1+svnr36882) and can't find it |
| 16:30.11 | Ainulindale | Kronk: I don't think so |
| 16:30.30 | Kronk | firmware / kernel fault ? |
| 16:31.02 | Ainulindale | Modem fault |
| 16:31.26 | Kronk | oh |
| 16:31.54 | Kronk | Excuse my I suck the bag GSM but does the problem lie in hardware or software ? |
| 16:32.19 | Ainulindale | No idea =) |
| 16:32.28 | lindi- | Kronk: which problem? |
| 16:32.37 | Kronk | Calypso |
| 16:32.38 | Ainulindale | The ti_calypso deep sleep issue |
| 16:32.43 | Kronk | bounching ? |
| 16:32.53 | Kronk | oops bouncing ? |
| 16:33.07 | lindi- | Kronk: hardware bug as far as we know |
| 16:33.20 | Kronk | doh |
| 16:33.21 | lindi- | Kronk: or bug in the proprietary software running on the other ARM processor |
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| 16:33.28 | Kronk | sit's tight :) |
| 16:33.44 | Kronk | ta |
| 16:34.26 | Zorkman | anybody can locate libeina0 (>= 0.0.1+svnr36882) ? |
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| 16:35.00 | valos[fr] | Zorkman: libeina0 is available under SHR |
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| 16:36.32 | Kronk | wow your right last.fm over wifi on the Freerunner is "groovy" |
| 16:37.40 | Kronk | Well that's me very early in the a.m. here grab a bit of shut eye before work :) |
| 16:37.42 | Kronk | cya |
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| 16:38.08 | Kronk | Once again thanks for all the help |
| 16:40.44 | valos[fr] | Zorkman: what is your distribution? |
| 16:41.17 | Zorkman | fso |
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| 16:43.11 | valos[fr] | Zorkman: bad, libeina doesn't exist, efl libraries are a bit old under FSO |
| 16:43.26 | Zorkman | btw: igor, is it normal that there are no icons on the bottom of that vagalume app? |
| 16:44.35 | igor321 | Zorkman: i don't know if it's normal, but i also don't have em :) |
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| 16:44.57 | Zorkman | anyway, it works nicely |
| 16:45.33 | igor321 | yeah, i was really surprised |
| 16:45.47 | igor321 | and the fact the headphones work made it extra good :) |
| 16:46.09 | igor321 | later guys! |
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| 17:15.39 | valos[fr] | hackbert130: are you interested by a precompiled version of mplayer glamo? |
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| 17:59.42 | jonkristian | So, fso ms4 is the new loud? :D |
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| 18:38.17 | timur | hey guys, has anyone played with BT on the FR? in particular, it seems to have cached the name for my laptop, so even after I change it, it still displays the previous hostname. I tried scanning with another device and got the name i set it to. any ideas? |
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| 18:42.48 | vininim | is it safe to leave the freerunner under direct sunlight? trying to get a gps fix =3 |
| 18:44.55 | slaxxin | ooo my god no u didnt do it didu/ |
| 18:45.01 | slaxxin | ? |
| 18:45.39 | slaxxin | which bt hardware is known to work with the freerunner? |
| 18:46.19 | slaxxin | i dont think that direct sunlight will help thr gps |
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| 18:49.38 | Dave | shines direct sunlight on slaxxin |
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| 18:52.49 | slaxxin | ouch ouch |
| 18:54.06 | slaxxin | my shr wouldnt answer an i got to listex to the whole song play an it was atleast intresting |
| 18:54.25 | slaxxin | ringtone song |
| 18:54.43 | slaxxin | reboot shr |
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| 18:55.59 | timur | slaxxin, there is a bt chip in the thing... what are you talking about? |
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| 18:58.58 | timur | also, even after reboot FR insists on the old name being used |
| 18:59.00 | slaxxin | which hardware has been tested with the freerunner? |
| 19:00.43 | mwester | The GTA02 has been tested with the freerunner. Since the test defines itself, it passed. |
| 19:01.37 | timur | so anyone else messed with bluetooth? |
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| 19:02.03 | Dave | Mwester :p |
| 19:03.19 | timur | oh, odd. i guess it works if i do the discovery myself. stupid hcitool :) |
| 19:03.52 | timur | hrm, now hcitool works too.. ok, never mind :) |
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| 19:06.48 | [Rui] | mickey|sports: are you there or still sporting? :) |
| 19:07.16 | lindi- | slaxxin: shouldn't all bt hardware work? |
| 19:07.17 | jonkristian | fso ms4 is pretty laggy |
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| 19:10.25 | Dave | laaaaaaaaaaaaaaag |
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| 19:10.51 | GNUtoo | hello,how do i create my own repository...that would render my testing task easier... |
| 19:11.04 | GNUtoo | i've already compiled packages with openembedded |
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| 19:11.08 | Dave | :] |
| 19:11.38 | jonkristian | Dave: fso ms4? |
| 19:11.46 | Dave | no |
| 19:11.52 | vininim | slaxxin: haha I know, it's just that I'm taking advantage of weather before it's too late =P |
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| 19:16.43 | vininim | anyway, it fixed in less than 10 minutes |
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| 19:18.54 | Daverix | i just installed shr and i think i have chosen wrong mode because now i get a desktop look :( How to choose mode again? |
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| 19:22.02 | Daverix | i have enlightment now when i should be using illume |
| 19:22.11 | TAsn | Daverix, rm -rf ~/.e |
| 19:22.23 | Daverix | reinstall? :P |
| 19:22.23 | TAsn | that will do a clean re install |
| 19:22.29 | TAsn | nono |
| 19:22.42 | TAsn | rm -rf /home/root/.e |
| 19:22.57 | Daverix | aha ok will try that |
| 19:22.58 | TAsn | that will just erase e's settings |
| 19:23.07 | TAsn | or you can choose the illume module within the gui settings |
| 19:23.22 | TAsn | though i find this more elegant (actually less elegant but faster) |
| 19:23.25 | TAsn | and after you do that |
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| 19:23.35 | TAsn | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 19:24.35 | [Rui] | huzzah! dim is controlled on my gta02v5 with fso m4 |
| 19:24.39 | GNUtoo | solved |
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| 19:26.39 | Daverix | i tried to load the illume module instead :P |
| 19:26.47 | Daverix | and now im rebooting |
| 19:27.11 | Daverix | the phone goes into suspend when i connect my cable so can not ssh :P |
| 19:29.58 | [Rui] | In frameworkd.conf , section odeviced.idlenotifier, the timeouts are supposed to be in seconds... but I increased idle from 10 to 30 and more than a minute has passed without dimming a little. Is it minutes, after all? |
| 19:32.00 | vininim | can't be minute, it dims with seconds |
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| 19:42.29 | [Rui] | vininim: I think it just needed a reboot to really take effect |
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| 19:43.39 | jonkristian | wow, fso ms4 can't launch anything:/ |
| 19:43.50 | emilis_info | haha, I think I made my FR unbootable for a while |
| 19:44.02 | emilis_info | usb was in host mode and the battery ran out |
| 19:44.17 | emilis_info | can't turn it on anymore |
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| 19:45.59 | jonkristian | where's the dialer and stuff in fso? |
| 19:46.13 | jonkristian | i only have htop, take screenshot and numpt... |
| 19:47.12 | slaxxin | an numpty wont work either |
| 19:47.30 | vininim | [Rui]: possibly just framework restart? |
| 19:47.40 | jonkristian | slaxxin: yeah |
| 19:47.56 | slaxxin | download the image that doesnt say illume in it i think 78megs |
| 19:48.17 | jonkristian | slaxxin: ? |
| 19:48.20 | jonkristian | slaxxin: why? |
| 19:48.32 | slaxxin | fso4 |
| 19:48.50 | slaxxin | has a bunch more stuff in it |
| 19:48.57 | slaxxin | dialer |
| 19:49.28 | jonkristian | argh, i hate all these different images, and no description |
| 19:49.43 | slaxxin | this 1 is almost backwards |
| 19:49.47 | lindi- | jonkristian: just don't use images :) |
| 19:49.58 | jonkristian | lindi-: huh? |
| 19:50.32 | lindi- | jonkristian: i don't think you do software development on your PC with "images" either :) |
| 19:51.11 | slaxxin | images are for me the enduser |
| 19:51.45 | slaxxin | i have all your images |
| 19:52.21 | slaxxin | shr is cool |
| 19:53.16 | slaxxin | i figured out that the battery is not draining near as fast as i first thought it was |
| 19:58.53 | Dave | jonkristian :D |
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| 20:01.53 | jonkristian | whatever |
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| 20:10.46 | vininim | om gomg |
| 20:10.47 | vininim | omg omg |
| 20:10.57 | vininim | i see yellow people on tango |
| 20:13.27 | toggles_w | vininim: thats a little racist |
| 20:13.51 | vininim | toggles_w: sue me! according to tango my name is johndoe :D |
| 20:14.14 | toggles_w | vininim: i'd sue you, but according to our records you are dead |
| 20:14.20 | toggles_w | you caught a lucky break |
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| 20:19.26 | vininim | also, battery last entire day to 80% idling with only GSM on |
| 20:24.44 | lindi- | slaxxin: how much does it drain? here it's about 300mA when display and GSM is on |
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| 20:33.12 | TAsn | vininim, by idling you mean suspended? |
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| 20:33.22 | TAsn | if so, it's supposed to last even longer than that. |
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| 20:33.36 | vininim | only dimming it seems |
| 20:33.49 | TAsn | no suspension? |
| 20:33.52 | TAsn | nice.\ |
| 20:33.54 | vininim | yes |
| 20:34.05 | Dave | Ah, that reminds me. |
| 20:34.10 | TAsn | very cool indeed. that's actually a reasonable bat life. |
| 20:34.11 | Dave | Toggles, are YOU on tango friends? :) |
| 20:34.18 | Dave | Were you ever part of our cool little group? |
| 20:34.31 | vininim | wait, how does I shoot tango friend? |
| 20:34.38 | toggles_w | Dave: nah, wish i was invited though... |
| 20:34.39 | TAsn | shoot? |
| 20:34.50 | Dave | Toggles, come on and join us! |
| 20:34.54 | Dave | It's never too late! |
| 20:35.04 | toggles_w | Dave: are you sure? |
| 20:35.07 | Dave | Yes. |
| 20:35.10 | toggles_w | im afraid of rejection |
| 20:35.16 | TAsn | Dave, how do you use it? gprs? |
| 20:35.21 | TAsn | or just wifi? |
| 20:35.22 | vininim | toggles_w: it's supposed to be funny =P |
| 20:35.26 | vininim | err TAsn |
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| 20:36.13 | Dave | gps |
| 20:36.14 | vininim | I see you in east coast Dave =P |
| 20:36.24 | Dave | YES |
| 20:36.27 | TAsn | vininim, with international people a chan where half of the people speak crooked english, it's hard to tell. ;] |
| 20:36.28 | Dave | I hope my stalker isn't still there... |
| 20:36.36 | TAsn | Dave, you have a stalker? |
| 20:36.39 | TAsn | cool! ;] |
| 20:36.41 | Dave | :X |
| 20:36.43 | Dave | Not cool |
| 20:36.48 | TAsn | ;] |
| 20:36.49 | Dave | and apparently my fanbase is growing... |
| 20:36.52 | Dave | have you seen scap lately!? |
| 20:36.57 | Dave | hides |
| 20:36.58 | TAsn | link. |
| 20:37.17 | dolf1074 | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/606c97ddc559248838fbd3ce128316b7.png |
| 20:37.18 | TAsn | you are like r2d2, you are the world's favorite robot. |
| 20:37.53 | Dave | AFFIRMATIVE |
| 20:38.14 | TAsn | dolf1074, lol? |
| 20:38.25 | TAsn | /msg Dave run away, dolf1074 is after ya. |
| 20:38.32 | dolf1074 | that wasn't me |
| 20:38.43 | dolf1074 | I just looked up on scap and found that |
| 20:38.47 | TAsn | that's what they always say. |
| 20:38.55 | dolf1074 | don't blame the messenger :) |
| 20:39.00 | TAsn | dolf1074, do you think that may be dave worshiping himself? |
| 20:39.11 | dolf1074 | I think so |
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| 20:39.32 | dolf1074 | Or maybe he has a fanbase |
| 20:39.38 | TAsn | well it seems to be the case. |
| 20:39.46 | TAsn | dolf1074, why would he have a fanbase? |
| 20:39.57 | dolf1074 | ask him |
| 20:40.09 | TAsn | except for the fact he is an ultra humanoid irc bot. |
| 20:40.20 | Dave | bot bot bot bot |
| 20:40.29 | TAsn | !ask Dave, why would you have a fanbase? |
| 20:40.39 | Dave | I CAN HAS FANBASE? |
| 20:40.49 | TAsn | all you fanbase are belong to us? |
| 20:40.52 | TAsn | your* |
| 20:40.56 | uhsf | the screenshot isn't that pretty what os is that? |
| 20:41.13 | TAsn | uhsf, probably shr with gep-sketch |
| 20:41.25 | Dave | gpe-sketch? |
| 20:41.26 | TAsn | it's illume with the default skin iirc. |
| 20:41.34 | TAsn | Dave, yeah. |
| 20:41.38 | vininim | It seems europe is flooded with freerunner |
| 20:41.43 | vininim | s |
| 20:41.44 | Dave | YES |
| 20:41.47 | Dave | blame germany |
| 20:41.48 | TAsn | vininim, how can you tell? |
| 20:41.56 | Dave | tangogps, most likely. |
| 20:41.57 | dolf1074 | and france |
| 20:41.58 | TAsn | btw, how many FR have been sold so far? |
| 20:42.00 | vininim | yes |
| 20:42.12 | TAsn | Dave, is it viewable by everyone? not private groups only? |
| 20:42.17 | Dave | EVERYONE |
| 20:42.20 | TAsn | actually not fr |
| 20:42.24 | Dave | Go Go Go! |
| 20:42.30 | TAsn | how many neo's are there? |
| 20:42.33 | Dave | Right, not all tango users are freerunners. |
| 20:42.39 | Dave | But a good many of them. |
| 20:42.48 | TAsn | (both gta01 and 02) |
| 20:42.51 | Dave | YES |
| 20:42.54 | Dave | \o/ |
| 20:43.03 | TAsn | that's a non tangogps related question. |
| 20:43.06 | Dave | that reminds me, let me go peek at who's on the map now. |
| 20:43.07 | uhsf | illume is enlightenment + gtk ? |
| 20:43.12 | TAsn | uhsf, no |
| 20:43.16 | TAsn | illume is enlightenment |
| 20:43.27 | TAsn | modded a bit to work with a small screen touch device |
| 20:43.40 | TAsn | Dave, link me! |
| 20:43.49 | TAsn | !g tango gps map |
| 20:43.51 | cdbot2 | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=tango+gps+map&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi%20onclick=gbar.qs(this)%20class=gb1 | tangoGPS - Free user friendly <em>map</e @ http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/News%20class=l | Nabble - Openmoko Community - <em>Tango @ http://n2.nabble.com/Tango-GPS--shows-GPS-Times-form-1999-td1143836.html%20class=l |
| 20:43.56 | TAsn | huh? |
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| 20:44.11 | Dave | Unfortunately, there still is no web-accessible map. |
| 20:44.18 | Dave | Though there should be, at least for the public users. |
| 20:44.28 | Dave | Just set it up on your device and check it out. |
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| 20:45.11 | TAsn | dave too much work. |
| 20:45.18 | TAsn | i prefer going back to my studies instead. |
| 20:45.20 | TAsn | night ;] |
| 20:45.32 | Dave | Hmm, i'm not sure whether to be scared or relieved... |
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| 20:45.40 | Dave | my stalker has gone dark... |
| 20:45.52 | TAsn | Dave, do you have a basement? |
| 20:45.54 | uhsf | is tango gps new for openmoko? |
| 20:46.03 | Dave | no |
| 20:46.08 | TAsn | i c. |
| 20:46.13 | TAsn | i thought he may be hiding there |
| 20:46.19 | Dave | That was directed towards uhsf. |
| 20:46.22 | TAsn | and that's why he doesn't have gpr reception |
| 20:46.25 | TAsn | gps* |
| 20:46.30 | TAsn | Dave, oh. ;] |
| 20:46.35 | TAsn | now for real, good night. |
| 20:47.19 | uhsf | is tangogps gtk or qt? |
| 20:47.41 | uhsf | it's always hart to tell from OM screenshots |
| 20:47.43 | Dave | Yeah, holy shit there's a lot of europeans out there. |
| 20:47.46 | Dave | uhsf, it's gtk. |
| 20:47.57 | Dave | hence why qtopia blows and has no gps apps. |
| 20:48.26 | uhsf | gtk seems to have all the best apps, it's sad that OM 2008.x is qt |
| 20:49.14 | vininim | heh, I'm 200 km from myself 10 minutes ago, that's a proof of earth rotation. :3 |
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| 20:49.35 | Dave | haha |
| 20:49.37 | pjz | anyone know if the latest Qt Extended daily has all the (sound & sleep) fixes mentioned on the mailing lists? |
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| 20:49.39 | Dave | or shitty gps |
| 20:50.13 | Dave | pjz, I believe it does have all the kernel patches, but whether they solve all the problems for you is another story :p |
| 20:50.30 | lloyd_fedora | can u install applications on android ? |
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| 20:51.37 | uhsf | google sucks more and more everyday so it's better to avoid android |
| 20:51.53 | mwester | lloyd_fedora: I think you miss the idea of Android... |
| 20:53.12 | lloyd_fedora | mwester: what do u mean ? .. does it not have some kind of repo ? |
| 20:53.12 | Dave | I SEE YOU THERE, LAEN! |
| 20:53.24 | Dave | haha |
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| 20:56.53 | mwester | lloyd_fedora: I expect it will, but it will be much like the apple store, in that you must write an application specifically for google, using their apis. |
| 20:57.13 | mwester | It is very doubtful that a repo here would have anythign that would run on android. |
| 20:57.18 | pjz | Dave: I'm less worried abuot kernel patches (I can always get an andy or mwester kernel if I need to ) than the sound-settings and such. |
| 20:58.08 | pjz | Currently I'm fairly happy with my old 4.3.2 distro, other than the re-registration bug. |
| 20:58.16 | pjz | well, and the keypad not working during a call |
| 20:58.28 | pjz | (makes it hard to navigate voicemail systems) |
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| 20:58.49 | mwester | pjz: there's a patch for the bouncy calypso for 4.3.2, if you want to build it yourself. |
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| 20:59.18 | noother | hey, is there anything i need to do after flashing the current om-testing image to get opendoom working as it should? it's currently extremely slow and studdering.. it worked nice with om2008.8 |
| 21:00.05 | pjz | mwester: enh, I'm probably going to just blow a 4.4.1 daily or FDOM or maybe even M4 in... any recommendations on what's 'most stable' ? |
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| 21:03.35 | mwester | pjz: there's nothing that really earns the "stable" designation at this time :( |
| 21:05.10 | vininim | mmm it seems only zhone locks, is that known issue/design? |
| 21:05.16 | vininim | (in the fso image) |
| 21:05.34 | uhsf | is openstreetmap only what we see on openstreetmap.org or is there more areas covered with other applications? |
| 21:06.24 | uhsf | 'caus what is on openstreetmap.org is a joke, missing way too much streets |
| 21:06.44 | leinir | Well, help fix it then! |
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| 21:06.49 | Hiretto | where is the problem? |
| 21:06.49 | jonkristian | wicked |
| 21:06.53 | Hiretto | you can use navit for that |
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| 21:08.44 | pjz | mwester: I'm not lookgin for 'stable', just 'at least as stable as Qtopia 4.3.2' |
| 21:10.16 | gurugentoo | uhsf: out of curiosity, where are you from? |
| 21:10.50 | gurugentoo | where I live it has very detailed maps |
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| 21:11.11 | uhsf | i'm from chicoutimi, quebec, canada |
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| 21:11.35 | uhsf | navit looks better than tangogps, what maps does it use? |
| 21:13.22 | gurugentoo | http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page#Maps |
| 21:14.12 | uhsf | ty |
| 21:14.48 | uhsf | garmin maps should be good |
| 21:15.25 | uhsf | i guess navteq maps used by google and nokia are the best |
| 21:15.33 | pjz | do any of the distros do inplace upgrades at all well yet? |
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| 21:16.17 | pjz | (other than debian, of course) |
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| 21:26.13 | vininim | pjz: you mean opkg update; opkg upgrade ? |
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| 21:30.07 | mick_laptop | anyone use the freerunner in the US? i'd like to know what networks it supports (Sprint, AT&T, Verizon etc) |
| 21:30.36 | dbtid | i know someone who has used t-mobile in the u.s. |
| 21:31.01 | toggles_w | i use it on t-mobile, phone and sms is fine, haven't spent the time to get the data working |
| 21:31.05 | dbtid | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers#USA |
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| 21:35.32 | [Rui] | vininim: sorry for the delay in answering, I went to fetch my new glasses. |
| 21:35.54 | TAsn | hey, does anyone know what's up with pypimd? |
| 21:36.01 | [Rui] | vininim: if framework restart was all that was needed, it didn't work, evidently :) I come from an UNIX background, and reboot is the answer of the weak :) |
| 21:36.17 | TAsn | what should i do if i want to contribute/view some code? |
| 21:36.17 | vininim | heh |
| 21:36.31 | [Rui] | anyone else running FSO M4 here? I feel like I stop being able to make calls and have to restart zhone... |
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| 21:37.13 | vininim | I am, but not using GSM heavily lately. |
| 21:37.18 | jonkristian | i am, but i've just booted it. |
| 21:37.27 | jonkristian | is wlan working? |
| 21:38.08 | vininim | jonkristian: no gui, udhcp didn't work at my uni guests wlan |
| 21:38.14 | jonkristian | I see people are still in love with gloss effects |
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| 21:38.34 | jonkristian | yuk, hehe, well, it's ok as long as it isn't over used, however i feel it's really overused here. |
| 21:38.51 | vininim | the keyboard IS annoying =P |
| 21:38.56 | vininim | *key zooming |
| 21:39.06 | jonkristian | what's the reboot shortcut |
| 21:39.24 | [Rui] | vininim: heh... I don't mind, specially since I made a nice portuguese dictionary and a new default layout I like better... |
| 21:39.47 | vininim | I use the terminal one mostly |
| 21:39.53 | jonkristian | vininim: there's a gui for wlan, but it has to be added, or so it appears. |
| 21:40.22 | [Rui] | vininim: yeah, but terminal sucks for sms :D |
| 21:40.48 | jonkristian | vininim: any supported apps yet? |
| 21:40.48 | vininim | jonkristian: oh, in fso? opkg list doesn't display anything like it. |
| 21:40.48 | jonkristian | vininim: yeah, fso |
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| 21:41.07 | vininim | mmm I've only been playing with tango for the last 2 hours so I don't know =P |
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| 21:41.23 | jonkristian | vininim: tangogps? |
| 21:41.28 | vininim | yes |
| 21:42.01 | jonkristian | just opkg install tangogps then i guess |
| 21:42.26 | vininim | mmm it came installed on my image... maybe you got a more bare one? |
| 21:42.46 | jonkristian | i got http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 21:43.38 | vininim | same... are you sure it's not in home? |
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| 21:44.30 | jonkristian | ah, it's the middle on second row? |
| 21:44.48 | jonkristian | it doesn't appear to work here, nothing on Lat, Lon etc.. |
| 21:44.50 | vininim | [Rui]: btw, you said portuguese dictinoary... as in unified 2010 portuguese? :D |
| 21:45.27 | vininim | jonkristian: you have to get first fix using the openmoko-agpsui |
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| 21:47.27 | [Rui] | vininim: I don't buy languages altered by secretary :) |
| 21:47.28 | vininim | asking because I'm from Brazil |
| 21:47.28 | vininim | =D |
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| 21:47.30 | [Rui] | vininim: actually it's just based on a one million words from a Portuguese newspaper with frequency data |
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| 21:47.32 | [Rui] | vininim: it even has naughty words (oh my that was indeed a surprise) |
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| 21:47.33 | [Rui] | vininim: if you wnat to try it, it's here: http://blog.1407.org/2008/10/13/portuguese-dictionary-for-openmokos-illume-keyboard/ |
| 21:47.35 | pjz | vininim: sure, opkg update && opkg upgrade |
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| 21:49.28 | [Rui] | vininim: seems silly that portuguese speakers talk in english to each other ;) but let's not pollute the channel :) |
| 21:50.05 | vininim | [Rui]: maybe we should start #openmoko-pt |
| 21:50.24 | [Rui] | he, the pt openmoko users probably can be counted by the fingers of two hands :) |
| 21:50.29 | [Rui] | sadly... |
| 21:50.30 | vininim | yes lol |
| 21:50.55 | [Rui] | vininim: what about in brasil? because the price makes it an even more steep hill to climb... |
| 21:51.06 | cjb | I'm in Uruguay, there aren't any OM users here because there is 60% import tax.. |
| 21:51.08 | vininim | I paid 90% customs... |
| 21:51.12 | cjb | wow |
| 21:51.42 | cjb | if I'd known I would have brought some FR with me from the US for the local free software geeks |
| 21:52.16 | vininim | what is annoying is that here it's usually 60% customs |
| 21:52.23 | [Rui] | cjb: vininim: ouch! |
| 21:52.47 | vininim | but my state, and only it, has yet a 30% |
| 21:53.12 | jonkristian | where's the terminal app? |
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| 21:53.36 | toggles_w | damn... fdom is over 100mb? |
| 21:54.18 | ssweeny | "Fat and Dirty" |
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| 21:54.42 | toggles_w | yeah, i get it, but i'm not enjoying the 3.5hr download let alown the flash ;-) |
| 21:55.02 | Pander | what is the format of the .dic file? where does the number come from? |
| 21:55.30 | vininim | toggles_w: the flash is quite fast |
| 21:55.39 | zash | toggles_w: upgrade your internets! |
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| 21:55.44 | vininim | well at least when you're watching heroes =P |
| 21:55.50 | [Rui] | that's an awful shame :| since we (group in pt) bought from germany, we only paid a little over 300⬠(still quite a bit, but freedom is priceless) :) |
| 21:56.02 | [Rui] | Pander: word number |
| 21:56.14 | [Rui] | Pander: where number is a frequency number |
| 21:56.26 | Pander | [Rui]: which means? |
| 21:56.29 | Pander | oke |
| 21:57.04 | toggles_w | did anyone hear if there was a fix/workaround for `fdisk /dev/mmcblk0` seg faulting? |
| 21:57.31 | Pander | I'll see if I can come up with a Dutch one via http://opentaal.org This is very interesting, they harvest many articles to form the extended dictionary for firefox/mozilla and loads of other open source applications. |
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| 21:59.24 | sicu | toggles_w: to fix that on my FR i did: [opkg install build-dep util-linux] and then [fdisk /dev/mmcblk0] worked fine without segfaulting |
| 21:59.38 | toggles_w | sicu: thanks |
| 21:59.58 | henk | where can i get a default u-boot_env? |
| 22:00.52 | Pander | HD movie of openmoko code swarm with improved colors: http://vimeo.com/2227330 |
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| 22:01.16 | TAsn | pander haha you are crazy. ;] |
| 22:01.18 | henk | alternatively: can i disable the nand-bootloader? |
| 22:01.28 | TAsn | can you please explain what exactly does this movie mean? |
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| 22:03.23 | jonkristian | wicked, last.fm :D |
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| 22:04.07 | sicu | TAsn: it whows you all the little bees working on openmoko stuff ;] |
| 22:04.22 | sicu | you can almost hear them buzzing ;p |
| 22:04.34 | sicu | s/whows/shows |
| 22:04.42 | timur | buzz, buzz |
| 22:04.51 | jonkristian | hm, getting mono when connecting the headset, anybody else? |
| 22:05.07 | TAsn | sicu i know that. |
| 22:05.13 | TAsn | though i see names and dots |
| 22:05.14 | toggles_w | sicu: you rock mate! fixed! |
| 22:05.19 | TAsn | and i wonder what they mean ;] |
| 22:06.06 | TAsn | nvm that. |
| 22:06.09 | sicu | toggles_w: ;] mr lindi- helped me =] |
| 22:06.09 | TAsn | im off to bed ;] |
| 22:06.11 | TAsn | night. |
| 22:06.27 | toggles_w | sicu: thanks rox too |
| 22:06.35 | toggles_w | blah |
| 22:06.38 | toggles_w | mr lindi- |
| 22:06.53 | jonkristian | my god, the sound quality on the playback on fso ms4 is insanly better than anything i've tested up to now. |
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| 22:08.20 | sicu | TAsn: the dots are all the commits, the dots swarm to the person (name) who comitted them, and the colours define what kind of commit it was (explained top left) |
| 22:08.27 | sicu | TAsn: nite |
| 22:08.33 | TAsn | thanks. |
| 22:08.36 | TAsn | night ;] |
| 22:09.46 | eldre | Hi, i have a simple question, has anyone flashed the gsm ? |
| 22:13.55 | vininim | ok, suspend seems to work |
| 22:16.07 | toggles_w | hmm.. so where do i find an om kernel now that downloads.moko is gone? |
| 22:20.04 | jonkristian | Anybody recovered lost password for tangogps before? |
| 22:20.09 | jonkristian | Seem to have lost mine |
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| 22:26.20 | [Rui] | vininim: for more than 10 minutes? |
| 22:26.27 | [Rui] | vininim: what's your hardware release? |
| 22:26.40 | vininim | mmmm will wait +10 minutes |
| 22:26.41 | sicu | jonkristian: i forgot mine a while back, but remembered it a few days later (couldn't find any way of recovering it though :( ) |
| 22:26.51 | vininim | it's plugged though |
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| 22:27.16 | jonkristian | sicu: my password is the default password that is set on 2008.9 i think |
| 22:27.32 | jonkristian | sicu: so if only i can remember what that was, on fso it's foobar |
| 22:27.35 | jonkristian | hehe |
| 22:27.54 | [Rui] | vininim: plugged or unplugged... I only get a White Screen of Death, thanks to the hints of Mickey and Klaus, I disabled complete dimming and suspend |
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| 22:29.45 | [Rui] | mickey|zzZZzz: nighty night and thanks :) |
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| 22:37.31 | vininim | ouch |
| 22:37.52 | vininim | I thought about compiling ghc... and then read joachim blogpost about 280MB |
| 22:39.36 | jonkristian | :D |
| 22:39.49 | jonkristian | vininim: did you run opkg update/upgrade on fso? |
| 22:39.57 | vininim | yes |
| 22:40.09 | jonkristian | I got scrambled image on tangogps afterwards |
| 22:40.22 | jonkristian | when in zhone |
| 22:40.25 | jonkristian | i think, hehe |
| 22:41.11 | vininim | tries to unsuspend 30 min suspended FR |
| 22:41.22 | vininim | worked |
| 22:41.29 | jonkristian | cool |
| 22:41.34 | jonkristian | how's battery life? |
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| 22:42.36 | vininim | it's plugged, but only dimming (because I didn't know how to suspend before =3 ) got it to 80% approx in 18 hrs of mostly GSM (and it being undimmed inside my pocket u_u~~) |
| 22:42.48 | vininim | *idle GSM |
| 22:43.24 | vininim | [Rui]: i'm suspending by power button press though will try unplugged timed suspend |
| 22:44.22 | [Rui] | vininim: omg... I'm starting to suspect my gta02v5 may be borked then :( |
| 22:44.44 | vininim | oh |
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| 22:45.06 | vininim | mine seems to be at least A6 (don't know how to spot a A7) |
| 22:47.33 | [Rui] | root@om-gta02:~# grep ^[HR] /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:47.33 | [Rui] | Hardware: GTA02 |
| 22:47.33 | [Rui] | Revision: 0350 |
| 22:47.44 | [Rui] | vininim: yours should be 360 I think? |
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| 22:48.12 | vininim | will check after next suspend test :3 |
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| 22:59.41 | johngay | anyone using BT in 2007.2? |
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| 23:05.15 | vininim | heh |
| 23:05.33 | vininim | is touchscreen supposed to wake from suspend? |
| 23:06.00 | cjb | vininim: |
| 23:06.00 | cjb | no |
| 23:06.04 | SpeedEvil | johncylee: occasionally buyt only to talk to an external GPS |
| 23:06.06 | cjb | it is not powered during suspend. |
| 23:06.09 | SpeedEvil | gay: |
| 23:06.25 | vininim | damn... I think I have to reboot, it's not suspending by timeout |
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| 23:06.36 | cjb | or rather, the CPU is not powered during suspend, and the CPU is the only thing that can tell whether the touchscreen is pressed. |
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| 23:08.48 | emsyr1 | Press the power button for 2 seconds to see if it wakes up from suspend |
| 23:08.55 | emsyr1 | vininim: |
| 23:10.43 | vininim | emsyr1: I know, did it before was just wondering if suspend by timeout was in place |
| 23:11.00 | vininim | but it was just dim (as touchscreen relit it) |
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| 23:36.10 | johngay | anyone using BT in 2007.2? |
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| 23:45.42 | johngay | I guess not )-: |
| 23:47.03 | weirdedout | johngay: I cannot say that I've used BT on 2007.2, but I am using it with 2008.8 successfully to listen to media with mplayer. |
| 23:47.35 | SpeedEvil | used for external gps |
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