| 00:05.03 | jonkristian | Are there any good documentation regarding porting of apps to om? |
| 00:09.30 | jonkristian | ah, the wiki is soo great:) |
| 00:09.58 | Tig| | jonkristian: start on the wiki, pick a distro first and then look at the openembedded stuff for making a buildhost |
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| 00:10.48 | jonkristian | currently looking at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Openmoko_from_scratch#How_to_build |
| 00:11.42 | Tig| | that will get you 2007.2 |
| 00:11.44 | jonkristian | I got pointed to that from this, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_an_ipk_package_from_sources , might be outdated? |
| 00:11.58 | Tig| | what distro are you looking at? |
| 00:12.26 | jonkristian | the om, actually, first off i am just wanting to learn this. |
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| 00:14.45 | Tig| | there are a few distributions that run on the om hardware : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions the distro being pushed at the moment by om is the 2008.09 version but later images will use the new framework being built in the FSO images |
| 00:15.07 | jonkristian | i see |
| 00:19.33 | Dave | :\ |
| 00:20.02 | Dave | jonkristian, jobber du sent i kveld? ;p |
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| 00:20.19 | jonkristian | Dave: :) |
| 00:20.38 | jonkristian | Dave: jobber sent når jeg føler for det, I am my own Lord:) |
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| 00:21.15 | Dave | ja ja ;p |
| 00:21.35 | Dave | moko moko moko |
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| 00:22.45 | jonkristian | Dave: hva er din unskyldning? |
| 00:22.58 | jonkristian | Dave: titter litt på http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ |
| 00:26.31 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 00:27.16 | Dave | kul ^^ |
| 00:27.21 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 00:28.14 | KenYoung | Hi Dave - I'm hoping you'll send me your 277 page, 6 point font list of recommendations for changes to "orrery". |
| 00:30.49 | Dave | Hello! |
| 00:30.55 | Dave | haha |
| 00:31.28 | Dave | I sure hope so :) |
| 00:31.42 | Dave | Ken did you ever get my question last time? |
| 00:32.01 | KenYoung | What question was that? |
| 00:32.17 | Dave | Simply put, how do I zoom out!? |
| 00:33.52 | KenYoung | You zoom in by circling the region of interest - to zoom out, just press the zoomable area for more than 1/4 second without moving your finger (much). |
| 00:35.41 | Dave | oy |
| 00:36.07 | Dave | hmm |
| 00:36.10 | Dave | okay then! |
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| 00:36.18 | KenYoung | Is oy good or bad in this context? |
| 00:36.33 | Dave | Well that isn't very intuitive... |
| 00:36.42 | Dave | but it's not bad, now that I've just got the hang of it |
| 00:36.50 | Dave | I wish we could have stateful zoom levels |
| 00:36.56 | KenYoung | How would you recommend doing it? |
| 00:36.57 | Dave | but hey, one step at a time I suppose |
| 00:37.18 | Dave | Like I just zoomed in on Deneb Kaitos |
| 00:37.25 | Dave | then I zoomed in on two of it's major stars |
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| 00:39.55 | KenYoung | The reason I didn't go with zoom levels is that circling se.eemed more intuitive, and is continuously variabl |
| 00:40.36 | Dave | yes :] |
| 00:40.40 | KenYoung | But I'll admit the unzoom is non-obvious. It is explained on the wiki page though. Perhaps inadequately. |
| 00:40.42 | Dave | one sec |
| 00:41.18 | KenYoung | arcsec? |
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| 00:42.42 | slaxxin | counter-clockwise circle zooms out -rigght? |
| 00:43.08 | KenYoung | slaxxin, Sadly, no - any circle zooms in. |
| 00:44.37 | slaxxin | shr is giving no usb interface |
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| 00:49.43 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: Huh? |
| 00:49.44 | Ainulindale | You're mistaken |
| 00:49.51 | Ainulindale | That happens only if you launch mofi |
| 00:49.57 | Ainulindale | Because mofi does ifconfig usb0 down |
| 00:50.09 | Ainulindale | You can modify that looking at /etc/mofi/connect.sh |
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| 00:53.28 | ike | Hello |
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| 00:55.24 | ike | I encountered a weird problem. I've flashed Om2008.09 into my FR and then I've upgraded to testing repository. Device restart and then all I can see is black screen and "INSTALLER" on the bottom. |
| 00:55.28 | ike | Where are icons?! |
| 00:55.44 | ike | ;-) any help? |
| 00:57.03 | slaxxin | ok |
| 00:58.09 | slaxxin | how to shut down shr |
| 00:58.41 | slaxxin | hold power? |
| 00:58.56 | ike | Prolly. |
| 00:59.04 | slaxxin | testing is a bare distro |
| 00:59.06 | ike | Or ssh and type 'shutdown -h now' |
| 01:00.01 | ike | slaxxin: well. All I have done is flashed Om2008.9 and `opkg update && opkg upgrade` |
| 01:00.15 | ike | And now it's brickey ;P |
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| 01:01.02 | slaxxin | and then I've upgraded to testing repository? |
| 01:01.17 | slaxxin | reflash |
| 01:01.18 | Dave | Hey Ainu :) |
| 01:01.58 | Dave | KenYoung - fuck |
| 01:02.05 | Dave | somehow I think I broke the map display |
| 01:02.05 | Dave | :x |
| 01:02.08 | Dave | it won't "reset" |
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| 01:02.59 | Ainulindale | Dave: yes? |
| 01:03.04 | ike | slaxxin: well. because src/gz daily-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/* is in distro feeds as a default. |
| 01:03.17 | KenYoung | Dave - Yes, you've discovered my secret shame. About 1 in a dozen of so zooms glitches the system, and you can't zoom out. You have to restart the program. Sorry,. I'm looking for that bug. |
| 01:03.21 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: yep, holding power to shutdown |
| 01:03.55 | ike | Oh well. I'll reflash. |
| 01:03.57 | Dave | :| |
| 01:04.00 | Dave | Okay, Ken :P |
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| 01:04.11 | KenYoung | At least you don't have to reflash. |
| 01:04.19 | KenYoung | Sorry about the bug. |
| 01:04.36 | Dave | Note that when that happens, it seems panning is disabled? or no longer functions. |
| 01:04.43 | Dave | it simply switches between the two display modes |
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| 01:04.50 | Dave | (wherever the contents may be) |
| 01:05.06 | KenYoung | And there's a little green blob in the upper left corner, correct? |
| 01:05.12 | Dave | yeah! |
| 01:05.20 | Dave | it seems like a mush of labels or something |
| 01:05.21 | Dave | :) |
| 01:05.25 | KenYoung | That's my bug! |
| 01:05.30 | Dave | Hooray!? |
| 01:05.33 | slaxxin | smash it |
| 01:05.43 | ike | It's yours. |
| 01:05.45 | slaxxin | no dave no |
| 01:05.47 | KenYoung | You have panned to Sgr A*, and gotten too close. |
| 01:05.49 | Dave | At least I've reproduced it rather quickly :) |
| 01:06.18 | ike | Hm. Quick survey: What distro you are using? |
| 01:06.44 | Ainulindale | SHR :-) |
| 01:06.54 | KenYoung | ike, Are you asking someone in particular, or everyone? |
| 01:07.04 | Dave | I believe it was open to the floor. |
| 01:07.22 | ike | You as all of you right now Ken ;-) |
| 01:07.29 | KenYoung | One phone still has 2007.2, the other FDOM. |
| 01:07.42 | techiem2-r | 2008.9 primary, playing with debian |
| 01:10.06 | KenYoung | ike, did you notice there was a poll about this posted on the Openmoko Planet section on Nov. 5 (en francais)? |
| 01:10.31 | techiem2-r | hmmm...is it possible to boot several distros from a single flash card? i.e. can a bootloader be setup on it to launch say, debian, qtopia, etc. |
| 01:10.51 | Ainulindale | KenYoung: this poll is biased |
| 01:11.02 | Ainulindale | As it takes into account SHR, which hasn't released officialy so far |
| 01:11.05 | KenYoung | Mon Dieu! |
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| 01:11.12 | Ainulindale | Ouais, mon dieu :-) |
| 01:11.19 | ike | KenYoung: oh! I didn't. Sorry. |
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| 01:13.14 | Dave | More orrery! |
| 01:13.18 | Dave | restarts |
| 01:13.29 | ike | Hm. So another question: which repository should I use with Om2008.09 release? |
| 01:13.30 | KenYoung | Send suggestions for changes! |
| 01:14.45 | ike | KenYoung: nice poll. thanks for a tip. pitty i don't understand french. |
| 01:14.59 | ike | however numbers are fully understandable. :-) |
| 01:15.23 | KenYoung | Yup, FDOM is a big hit. |
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| 01:20.29 | slaxxin | shr is a big hit |
| 01:21.21 | Dave | Duh |
| 01:21.52 | slaxxin | what dave u gonna break shr to? |
| 01:26.36 | Dave | Probably ;D |
| 01:26.40 | Dave | I'm a wrecking machine!! |
| 01:26.45 | Dave | BOOM!! |
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| 01:27.41 | KenYoung | Dave - I'll have time to look for that bug tomorrow. As far as I know, you and I are the only ones who have seen it. I get no bug reports from anyone. |
| 01:30.17 | Dave | Ken, yeah, no one else seems to comment at all? :| |
| 01:30.30 | Dave | Though I think it's evident there ARE in fact other users. :) |
| 01:32.20 | KenYoung | Well, the gFOrge site reports 1500 downloads. |
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| 01:33.24 | Dave | Right! :D |
| 01:33.29 | Ainulindale | slaxxin: SHR is a big hit? |
| 01:34.04 | Dave | hah |
| 01:34.06 | Dave | Not quite yet ;) |
| 01:34.15 | Ainulindale | He told so, I was just wondering why |
| 01:41.52 | slaxxin | media player works well an headphones |
| 01:42.09 | slaxxin | although no gps yet |
| 01:42.26 | Ainulindale | GPS is working here |
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| 01:42.53 | slaxxin | i see my friends but no personal becon |
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| 01:43.33 | slaxxin | gpsd? |
| 01:47.14 | Dave | Hmm? |
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| 01:47.39 | Dave | Don't worry, WE see you, slaxxin >:) |
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| 01:47.52 | Dave | Hey Joerg :) |
| 01:48.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | hey, Dave. morning! :-) |
| 01:49.21 | Dave | ;D |
| 01:49.33 | slaxxin | i see u too dave |
| 01:50.18 | Dave | :D |
| 01:50.20 | Dave | Good. |
| 01:50.25 | Dave | I hope my stalker isn't there. |
| 01:50.45 | slaxxin | me too |
| 01:50.49 | Dave | heh |
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| 02:02.44 | techiem2-r | recompiles desktop kernel |
| 02:06.29 | vininim | holy blood, customs office is being so slow. |
| 02:07.40 | esthar | So I'm looking to finally get a SIM card for my OpenMoko |
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| 02:07.46 | esthar | I've never had a phone/GSM before |
| 02:07.54 | esthar | So I need to buy a SIM card and I want prepaid T-Mobile |
| 02:08.09 | esthar | What's the best place online to buy this for myself? |
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| 02:08.40 | mwester-laptop | bought his at eBay |
| 02:08.59 | Dave | :D |
| 02:09.41 | mwester-laptop | looks for Dave's commits for the Android keyboard project... |
| 02:09.43 | esthar | mwester-laptop: Was it a prepaid T-Mobile SIM card? |
| 02:10.36 | mwester-laptop | yep - prepaid, t-mobile. |
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| 02:11.25 | techiem2-r | wishes tmobile covered his area |
| 02:14.07 | esthar | mwester-laptop: So I'm new to this whole thing... the SIM card came with a phone number and you didn't giev T-Mobile any of your personal info to activate it? |
| 02:14.20 | esthar | And what kind of plan is it? In terms of how much you can call and text? |
| 02:15.48 | mwester-laptop | You get a card -- you get a number assigned when you activate it. You don't need any personal info of any significance (they asked for an email address I think). |
| 02:16.31 | SpeedEvil | In the UK, you need to supply DNA, a retina-print, and a full sexual history to buy one. |
| 02:16.48 | mwester-laptop | There are multiple pricing structures, but basically you put in a certain amount of $ every month or three, the more you put in, the more calls or text messages you get, but also the longer it takes before they expire. |
| 02:17.07 | SpeedEvil | Seriously - it's just money and no details. |
| 02:17.08 | mwester-laptop | That's the catch here -- if you don't use the balance in the prescribed time period, you lose the balance. |
| 02:18.17 | mwester-laptop | So in the timeframe where the GTA01 couldn't make calls, I ended up putting the minimum additional $ on every period, just to keep it working -- I had $75+ credit built up before the GTA01 could even place a call. :D |
| 02:19.14 | zash | mwester-laptop: /me have a something similar, prices per minute/sms goes up 1 month after refilling |
| 02:19.29 | mwester-laptop | No data plans on the simple pay-as-you-go plan, though. :( |
| 02:20.04 | SpeedEvil | At least UK is slightly less screwy (t-mobile) no timeout of balance, and 1 pound/day cap on data fee. |
| 02:21.01 | zash | mwester-laptop: "no data plan" as in you can't use data or just insane price |
| 02:21.20 | mwester-laptop | I can't use data - I have to change to a different plan. |
| 02:23.16 | mwester-laptop | You have to switch to a monthly plan, a pre-paid monthly plan ---- and that makes no sense at all, financially (the only folks that would do that would be the ones forced to do it, because it's a rip-off) |
| 02:23.26 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 02:23.40 | techiem2-r | I can use data on GoPhone prepaid...at $.02/KB |
| 02:23.44 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 02:23.50 | mwester-laptop | computes that per MB |
| 02:23.53 | mwester-laptop | Gack! |
| 02:23.55 | techiem2-r | haven't actually tried... |
| 02:26.22 | techiem2-r | course, you can add in data for like $20/month |
| 02:26.34 | techiem2-r | or something |
| 02:26.38 | techiem2-r | *shrug* |
| 02:26.40 | techiem2-r | wifi ftw |
| 02:26.41 | techiem2-r | hehe |
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| 02:38.22 | slaxxin | just get the monthly plan an share with someone if money is an issue |
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| 02:51.12 | Devnn | Is openmoko running a full blown xorg server? |
| 02:53.18 | zash | Devnn: yes |
| 02:54.09 | zash | Devnn: the wiki mainpage says "The Openmoko stack, which includes a full X server [...]" |
| 02:55.55 | Devnn | I read the wiki, yet full X server can be ambigious as in 'full support' or actually full package. There's a tiny X server branch in the xorg source which I'd like to know more about. That could also provide the 'full X server' as opposed to a framebuffer layer. |
| 02:56.38 | Devnn | Do you know what the footprint of the X server alone is? |
| 02:56.56 | zash | no |
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| 03:03.00 | Devnn | It seems it can be around 6MB. |
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| 03:24.06 | techiem2-r | hmm...QTE not too bad |
| 03:24.18 | techiem2-r | wifi doesn't seem very reliable though |
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| 03:41.07 | slaxxin | i couldnt make the gps work |
| 03:41.39 | techiem2-r | haven't tried that in QTE... |
| 03:43.40 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4778 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/dialer-main.c: applied patch for bug#1833 |
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| 04:02.13 | Zorkman | new android images up btw |
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| 04:27.18 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_5 |
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| 04:30.38 | techiem2-r | looking good |
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| 04:33.07 | slaxxin | links dead |
| 04:33.22 | slaxxin | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ |
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| 06:45.36 | emilis_info | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5185504436.html |
| 06:45.44 | emilis_info | warp 2 for openmoko? |
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| 06:50.05 | rooly | sounds like a good idea, emilis_info. why don't you get to it? |
| 06:50.16 | emilis_info | :) |
| 06:50.45 | emilis_info | I don't have the knowledge and skills |
| 06:50.52 | emilis_info | haven't even compiled a kernel in my life |
| 06:50.56 | emilis_info | :) |
| 06:51.24 | rooly | meh, you'll do fine |
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| 06:52.33 | emilis_info | I'm afraid my head would explode |
| 06:52.34 | emilis_info | ;) |
| 06:53.21 | rooly | hey, watch, i'll teach you the main part about compiling most FOSS programs: |
| 06:53.28 | rooly | ./configure && make |
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| 06:54.53 | emilis_info | I know that |
| 06:55.10 | rooly | i was pretty sure you did |
| 06:55.16 | rooly | but it's still fun to pick |
| 06:55.48 | emilis_info | :P |
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| 06:57.00 | emilis_info | btw, the article says, that warp2 works with arm9 & arm11 and the freerunner is arm4? |
| 06:57.34 | rooly | arm9 |
| 06:57.39 | emilis_info | oh |
| 06:58.00 | rooly | specifically armv4t iirc or something |
| 06:59.34 | emilis_info | so, there was a "4" somewhere :) |
| 06:59.51 | emilis_info | thats how much I understand about HW |
| 06:59.52 | emilis_info | :) |
| 07:00.24 | emilis_info | anyway, there seems to be no source code available yet, and the documentation seems to be in japanese |
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| 08:08.02 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:13.38 | lindi- | emilis_info: i think you are confusing terms now |
| 08:14.06 | emilis_info | lindi-, ??? |
| 08:15.06 | lindi- | emilis_info: ARM9TDMI family has ARMv4T core |
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| 08:15.50 | lindi- | sorry |
| 08:15.54 | emilis_info | :) |
| 08:16.20 | lindi- | emilis_info: freerunner is arm family ARM9TDMI, with architecture ARMv4T and core ARM920T |
| 08:16.35 | lindi- | emilis_info: so what exactly does warp2 work with? |
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| 08:17.30 | emilis_info | from TFA: Warp 2 requires Linux, and is said to operate on the following platforms: |
| 08:17.30 | emilis_info | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.50 | SpeedEvil | has warp/2, and it doesn't. |
| 08:18.56 | SpeedEvil | It's only 386. |
| 08:19.19 | emilis_info | :) |
| 08:19.27 | emilis_info | its a different warp |
| 08:19.34 | emilis_info | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5185504436.html |
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| 08:25.04 | SpeedEvil | And there's no bloody way you're approaching that on FR. |
| 08:25.15 | SpeedEvil | The flash is slower than a slow thing covered in cold treacle. |
| 08:25.24 | methril | morning |
| 08:26.53 | emilis_info | make it boot in 30s and it would still be much better than what I've got now |
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| 08:33.15 | SpeedEvil | you don't want that. |
| 08:33.23 | SpeedEvil | You want it to suspend and resume reliably. |
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| 08:37.10 | SpeedEvil | though fast boot is nice too of course. |
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| 08:39.55 | emilis_info | can't I have both? :-( |
| 08:40.15 | cjb_ie | no you can't have a pony ;) |
| 08:41.48 | SpeedEvil | Note to self. |
| 08:42.05 | SpeedEvil | Don't search for 'pony spit-roast' with safesearch off and mother over shoulder. |
| 08:42.39 | cjb_ie | i'm trying to figure out why you would even search for such a thing... |
| 08:42.57 | SpeedEvil | I was trying to come up with a 'yes, you can have a pony!' image. |
| 08:43.09 | emilis_info | I googled it and the first result was some dysfunct sql query |
| 08:43.42 | SpeedEvil | image-search is different. |
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| 08:44.07 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: but why the spit-roast part? |
| 08:44.29 | SpeedEvil | I was looking for a pony, on a spit, being cooked. |
| 08:45.47 | emilis_info | so... I can't have a pony??? :-( |
| 08:45.49 | emilis_info | :P |
| 08:46.13 | cjb_ie | wow. i wasn't expecting the simpsons. |
| 08:46.29 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.35 | emilis_info | I don't know what you're talking about :)\ |
| 08:47.05 | emilis_info | never developed an interest in simpsons |
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| 08:47.38 | emilis_info | so... sadly that probably makes me the most ignorant person in this channel |
| 08:48.33 | emilis_info | and adding to that... it seems I can't have a phony! :-( |
| 08:48.40 | emilis_info | s/phony/pony/ |
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| 09:01.17 | cjb_ie | is now boggling at a blog entitled "a collection of things you wish you hadn't seen" thanks to SpeedEvil |
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| 09:50.36 | laen | Yay, fso milestone 4 is done <3 |
| 09:51.00 | Wonka | and does it work? |
| 09:51.43 | JaMa | who cares, but its milestone 4! :) |
| 09:51.50 | Wonka | argh, why is there no download link on http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Main_Page? ;) |
| 09:52.00 | laen | Dunno, as far as i could see the milestone was reached but no files on repositories yet. |
| 09:53.09 | Wonka | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ 404s |
| 09:53.40 | laen | Yeah so we just gotta wait till the OM and FSO and Debian people put up the files right.. give it a day or 2 to 3? |
| 09:54.32 | Wonka | still wants e17 and illume on debian... |
| 09:54.51 | laen | Openbox works fine, i'm not complaining :) |
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| 11:04.44 | WhiteSnipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.53 | WhiteSnipe | some where asynchronously i want to change the image beings displayed |
| 11:05.07 | WhiteSnipe | on GtkImag |
| 11:05.15 | WhiteSnipe | when i call gtk_image_set_from_file(GtkImage,filename |
| 11:05.27 | WhiteSnipe | the geoemtry of the window changes |
| 11:05.30 | WhiteSnipe | can some one suggest a fi |
| 11:05.32 | WhiteSnipe | fix |
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| 11:11.09 | alephnull | What's the new dfu-util called ? |
| 11:11.19 | alephnull | neo-something ... |
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| 11:12.38 | mokolade | neotool |
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| 11:12.50 | alephnull | Thanks. |
| 11:13.02 | mokolade | it a gui that uses dfu-util |
| 11:13.51 | mokolade | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool |
| 11:13.52 | alephnull | oh, I thought it was fixed dfu-util. |
| 11:14.28 | alephnull | I remember Harald Welte posting some fixes for dfu-util. |
| 11:14.50 | mokolade | okay. I don't know about that.. |
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| 11:21.09 | alephnull | mokolade: Oh, it's just a small patch -- http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1843 |
| 11:23.54 | mokolade | okay, I get it. |
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| 12:03.55 | ajuonline | i dont understand when the phone gets discharged and how much time it takes to charge |
| 12:04.37 | qknight | ? |
| 12:04.47 | qknight | ajuonline: the phone gets discharged when it is on |
| 12:05.01 | ajuonline | yes but when i plug it to charging |
| 12:05.02 | qknight | ajuonline: and the amount of loading time depends on normal charge vs fast charge |
| 12:05.08 | ajuonline | after a while |
| 12:05.15 | ajuonline | it gets suspended? |
| 12:05.19 | qknight | ? |
| 12:05.21 | ajuonline | i have to press the power button to wake it up |
| 12:05.28 | qknight | ah that is good |
| 12:05.34 | qknight | OM or qtopia? |
| 12:05.41 | ajuonline | qtopia right now |
| 12:05.59 | qknight | ajuonline: in this mode the phone can be used for days without charging |
| 12:06.03 | qknight | i found that very helpful |
| 12:06.09 | ajuonline | which mode? |
| 12:06.14 | leinir | suspend :) |
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| 12:06.16 | ajuonline | it doesnt power up now |
| 12:06.23 | qknight | ajuonline: you can disable this current mode called "suspend" in the battery or energy settings |
| 12:06.34 | qknight | ajuonline: gta02? |
| 12:06.45 | ajuonline | yes |
| 12:06.56 | qknight | see the wiki |
| 12:06.56 | ajuonline | its connected to laptop via USB |
| 12:07.06 | ajuonline | i remove the battery and then put it back to start |
| 12:07.08 | ajuonline | still no luck |
| 12:07.16 | qknight | so it is dead? |
| 12:07.38 | qknight | i see |
| 12:07.39 | soltys | can somebody tell me why dfu-util does not see my fr eaven when I add the --device vendor:product option ? |
| 12:07.47 | ajuonline | yes |
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| 12:07.58 | qknight | ajuonline: it might be the case that you made the battery even toooooo empty |
| 12:08.02 | ajuonline | but i had just left it on my table last night working |
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| 12:08.11 | qknight | ajuonline: that seems to be bad (it never happended to me) |
| 12:08.13 | ajuonline | qknight: its a new phone :P |
| 12:08.22 | qknight | ajuonline: you have to load it for some great amount of time |
| 12:08.28 | ajuonline | ok |
| 12:08.29 | qknight | ajuonline: it is new?! |
| 12:08.36 | ajuonline | yes |
| 12:08.41 | qknight | ajuonline: use the usb charger with battery in the phone |
| 12:08.45 | qknight | ajuonline: wait for a day |
| 12:08.51 | ajuonline | ok |
| 12:08.54 | qknight | ajuonline: and then put it on |
| 12:08.57 | qknight | ajuonline: load it fulll then |
| 12:09.06 | qknight | ajuonline: see the wiki, it has some very good commentson this problem |
| 12:09.36 | ajuonline | h |
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| 12:09.40 | ajuonline | ah plugin it to the charger |
| 12:09.44 | ajuonline | switckes it on :) |
| 12:10.12 | ajuonline | is relieved |
| 12:10.26 | ajuonline | i havent done anything with this phoen since it came. |
| 12:10.34 | ajuonline | except loading the latest qtopia image |
| 12:11.18 | jonkristian | ajuonline: why are you relieved? |
| 12:11.37 | ajuonline | jonkristian: i thought the phone went dead |
| 12:11.40 | jonkristian | Might sound like a bizarre question, but im curious:) |
| 12:11.44 | jonkristian | Ah |
| 12:11.54 | jonkristian | Good thing it's working then:) |
| 12:12.01 | ajuonline | right :P |
| 12:12.29 | ajuonline | so i should leave it to charge for *one* day? |
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| 12:13.37 | jonkristian | Leave it to charge until it's full |
| 12:13.49 | ajuonline | does it give any notification for full? |
| 12:16.53 | jonkristian | ajuonline: you could use cat to see i think, it depends on the distro |
| 12:17.12 | ajuonline | qtopia |
| 12:17.50 | jonkristian | lesseee |
| 12:22.44 | Daramarak | how about "cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/capacity" |
| 12:22.49 | jonkristian | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#power_supply_battery_information |
| 12:22.57 | jonkristian | darn, you beat me too it |
| 12:22.59 | jonkristian | :D |
| 12:23.12 | Daramarak | :) |
| 12:23.25 | Daramarak | I have a small script that does it on my FR |
| 12:23.52 | Daramarak | I use it to track how much power my FR uses during the night. |
| 12:24.15 | jonkristian | wow, 2008.11.1 |
| 12:24.52 | leinir | Well, you really ought to make it a habit to plug it in when you go to bed :) |
| 12:25.15 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 12:25.58 | leinir | It'll kill the battery a bit faster, but i find that it's worth it - kill a bit faster really just means "it'll die in two years in stead of three", so... :) |
| 12:26.50 | jonkristian | Hehe |
| 12:27.03 | jonkristian | yikes, http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ |
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| 12:27.55 | ajuonline | hohw do i connect to the wireless network? |
| 12:27.55 | leinir | jonkristian: Not ready yet :) |
| 12:28.07 | leinir | ajuonline: With great difficulty ;) |
| 12:28.16 | Daramarak | hehe |
| 12:28.27 | chaos_ | hi! i just read about the new fso milestone4 release, but the link doesn't work (http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/) - no milestone4 ?! |
| 12:28.43 | jonkristian | chaos_: yeah, we were just talking about it |
| 12:28.50 | ajuonline | leinir: is that the reason I dont see any option to search for wifi? on this distro |
| 12:28.58 | chaos_ | oh, sorry, i just entered the irc channel! |
| 12:29.06 | jonkristian | chaos_: 13:30 < leinir> jonkristian: Not ready yet :) |
| 12:29.09 | leinir | Yes :) It's not exactly straight forward to use wifi in qt extended yet :) |
| 12:29.21 | chaos_ | jonkristian: thx =] |
| 12:29.24 | jonkristian | leinir: I haven't gotten wifi to work in qte |
| 12:29.34 | jonkristian | nor gps |
| 12:29.37 | leinir | jonkristian: That's because it doesn't, really :) |
| 12:29.46 | leinir | GPS works, you just have to leave it for a very long time :) |
| 12:29.52 | leinir | (think 10-12 minutes) |
| 12:29.54 | ajuonline | yes i tried the Mapping Demo |
| 12:30.01 | soltys | can somebody tell me why dfu-util does not see my fr eaven when I add the --device vendor:product option ? |
| 12:30.01 | jonkristian | leinir: i didn't think there were any gps apps for qte |
| 12:30.07 | ajuonline | i think i had to wait for 3-4 minutes |
| 12:30.15 | ajuonline | to get my location |
| 12:30.17 | leinir | jonkristian: what ajuonline said :) |
| 12:30.38 | leinir | It's not not a very capable application - the underlying system works :) |
| 12:30.50 | ajuonline | its not much of an app :P just a demo to let you test the gops ;) |
| 12:30.59 | jonkristian | yaow |
| 12:31.12 | Daramarak | The gps is one of those things that works best IMO |
| 12:31.13 | leinir | It's a demo app which shows that QtWhereami works :) |
| 12:31.15 | ajuonline | i didnt understand why it said travelling at 0.1 Km/h when i was standing still |
| 12:31.17 | leinir | (or whatever it's called ;) ) |
| 12:31.26 | leinir | ajuonline: GPS noise :) |
| 12:31.32 | ajuonline | he he |
| 12:31.36 | jonkristian | I want to start porting apps to the fr, any of you guys have any experience in that field? |
| 12:31.56 | ajuonline | jonkristian: i am just to make one.. but I am all new |
| 12:32.00 | ajuonline | so we can share the trouble :) |
| 12:32.21 | jonkristian | I've set up my env according to http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started |
| 12:32.33 | jonkristian | ajuonline: sure |
| 12:32.40 | Daramarak | ajuonline: It is detecting tectonic drift ;) |
| 12:32.53 | ajuonline | Daramarak: he he. powerful hardware? |
| 12:32.59 | beni_ | Warp!!2 and openmoko? |
| 12:33.07 | Daramarak | yepp |
| 12:33.27 | ajuonline | my first impressions are that the hardware is pretty good. |
| 12:33.34 | ajuonline | and since the software is WIP. no comments ;) |
| 12:34.12 | ajuonline | i will start with developing the app soon. |
| 12:34.17 | ajuonline | i need to get done with my assignments :-/ |
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| 12:39.35 | trupheenix | what vga= option do i pass to uBoot to get splashy working? |
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| 12:53.08 | jonkristian | Can someone explain to me, fso milestone 4, is this the new release that will take it from where 2008.9 left, or will development continue on 2008.X ? Or are they two totally different releases? |
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| 12:57.30 | ajuonline | did anyone else get an ETH survey mail? |
| 12:58.26 | leinir | Yes :) |
| 12:59.01 | ajuonline | wonder how did they get everyones email? |
| 12:59.11 | ajuonline | mailing list harvesting? :P |
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| 12:59.27 | jonkristian | What are you guys using to emulate the env of fr? Like, for testing purposes, qemu? |
| 12:59.44 | jonkristian | Dave: did it |
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| 13:56.35 | BeerSerc | hi there. I just managed to install openmoko with enlightenment from http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Treo-650/ on my treo 650, but it seems quite limited. does anybody know, where I can find "standard" openmoko for the treo in a kind of recent version (qtopia maybe)? all the stuff I can find is from 2007... |
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| 14:30.37 | slaxxin | where is fso4? |
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| 14:31.01 | XorA | over <------- |
| 14:31.58 | mickeyl | images are building and will be online later today |
| 14:32.16 | Ainulindale | Meanwhile use SHR, it's the same backend :-p |
| 14:32.28 | slaxxin | i have it running |
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| 14:33.10 | slaxxin | the battery meter doesnt work properly |
| 14:33.18 | Ainulindale | It'll be the same on FSO |
| 14:33.29 | Ainulindale | It's the illume battery meter |
| 14:33.35 | Ainulindale | And what do you mean by properly ? |
| 14:33.54 | slaxxin | doesnt show the energy level |
| 14:34.04 | Ainulindale | Huh? |
| 14:34.33 | slaxxin | shows full untill the "charge your battery"warning |
| 14:34.48 | Ainulindale | Hmmm I don't have this problem here |
| 14:34.56 | Ainulindale | Though please be careful |
| 14:35.00 | Ainulindale | It sometimes show the warning |
| 14:35.05 | Ainulindale | Whereas there's no reason |
| 14:35.11 | Ainulindale | Just because a dbus call failed |
| 14:35.15 | sicu | i do have the "charge your battery" warning without reason too |
| 14:35.18 | Ainulindale | You might want to check manually using mdbus |
| 14:36.16 | Ainulindale | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetCapacity <= should do the trick to see the level |
| 14:36.39 | Ainulindale | If it isn't right, then complain to raster :-) |
| 14:36.48 | slaxxin | RASTER |
| 14:37.53 | sicu | hehe .. summoning failed :p |
| 14:38.07 | sicu | iirc raster is busy moving house |
| 14:38.52 | slaxxin | ~raster |
| 14:38.53 | apt | raster is, like, smooth as silk |
| 14:40.53 | trupheenix | can anyone tell me what framebuffer device is available on the openmoko? |
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| 14:41.07 | trupheenix | i want to run splashy from debian |
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| 14:50.00 | BeerSerc | how can I disable the boot splash (the boots picture and progress bar)? |
| 14:50.46 | BeerSerc | i tried nosplash as a boot option, but it didnt work |
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| 14:55.16 | bricode | trupheenix: /dev/fb0 |
| 14:56.01 | trupheenix | bricode: yea i passed /dev/fb0 |
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| 14:56.05 | trupheenix | bricode: no use :( |
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| 15:03.56 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 15:04.31 | Dave | jonkristian :p |
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| 15:06.15 | Dave | guru. |
| 15:07.52 | CM_work | XorA: Nice work on xorg :-) |
| 15:08.11 | Dave | there was work done?!? |
| 15:08.23 | CM_work | check the ml |
| 15:08.33 | Dave | pfft, who reads that old thing? :) |
| 15:08.44 | CM_work | I stick to the devel list |
| 15:09.05 | CM_work | Even if it's fairly quitet, at least it has some interesting stuff. |
| 15:09.11 | CM_work | community is just too noisy |
| 15:09.45 | XorA | debian guys probably want to steal/improve the patch as well |
| 15:09.46 | CM_work | Dave: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ddb1bbb5ccc99bc8d3d3e36dba2673d9.png |
| 15:10.47 | Dave | I used to read the hw-list daily... |
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| 15:11.20 | Dave | Xorg don't need no xorg.conf? |
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| 15:11.34 | BeerSerc | my treo dies just after that progress bar reaches 100% while starting X with a frozen prompt in the upper right corner. any ideas on how I can debug that? |
| 15:12.10 | CM_work | Dave: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003086.html |
| 15:12.14 | Dave | Man, why do those icons look so shitty? |
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| 15:14.08 | Dave | Xora: IT'S YOU! |
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| 15:15.06 | Dave | Mwester: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003085.html - sigh |
| 15:15.13 | igor321 | fso ms4 images not available yet? |
| 15:15.28 | BeerSerc | not too much response to questions in that channel, right? |
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| 15:17.24 | Dave | hahaha, what a dick you are, Werner http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-October/000687.html :D |
| 15:17.58 | Dave | Beerserc, what are you running on your treo, specifically? |
| 15:18.55 | BeerSerc | kernel/zimage from hackndev and the latest openmoko, 2008.9 |
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| 15:28.02 | BeerSerc | I can ping the phone via usb, but ssh seems not to be started yet. is there a way to start without X? |
| 15:28.23 | BeerSerc | or are there any boottime options at all? |
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| 15:35.49 | slaxxin | do i use command line to set clock in shr? |
| 15:36.15 | slaxxin | media player quits half way through a song |
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| 15:37.39 | nicfer | one question, will you continue developing openmoko or would you use android instead? |
| 15:38.04 | mwester | to whom do you address that question? |
| 15:38.05 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:38.50 | igor321 | there will always be a place for an x11 distro |
| 15:39.08 | igor321 | android, though great, is kinda limited |
| 15:39.37 | igor321 | a that's an annoyance with the kinda crowd openmoko appeals to |
| 15:39.41 | igor321 | *and |
| 15:39.57 | mwester | Android is a phone-distro. As Nokia has demonstrated with maemo and the tablets, there is much demand and promise for truely open environments that bridge the gap between mobile devices and desktops. |
| 15:41.36 | mwester | The biggest benefit Android brings to the mobile community, IMO, is to legitimize open source and somewhat-open hardware with the carriers; it doesn't at all address the vision that Openmoko and FSO promise to deliver (some day). |
| 15:42.11 | ajuonline | mwester: what vision? |
| 15:42.33 | igor321 | speaking of fso, where are the images, there's an announcement on the wiki, but no ms4 images |
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| 15:44.41 | slaxxin | they are building it i guess |
| 15:44.56 | slaxxin | today i was told |
| 15:45.24 | igor321 | takes a long time to build, no? :) |
| 15:45.32 | slaxxin | so untill then im going from shr to om testing |
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| 15:45.49 | igor321 | well the latest shr image was really bad for me |
| 15:46.00 | slaxxin | i like shr |
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| 15:46.16 | igor321 | kept 100%'ing cpu on my phone |
| 15:46.25 | igor321 | also most apps wouldn't start |
| 15:46.26 | slaxxin | media player wouyld only play 1/2 a song though |
| 15:46.47 | slaxxin | all my apps started |
| 15:47.39 | sicu | well, fso images are there ... or my eyes are playing tricks on me |
| 15:47.55 | alphaone | igor321: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ |
| 15:47.56 | igor321 | no, they're not :) |
| 15:47.58 | slaxxin | yay |
| 15:48.04 | igor321 | thanks for the heads up :) |
| 15:48.05 | slaxxin | yes they are |
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| 15:48.10 | alphaone | Just uploaded |
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| 15:48.57 | transylvania | speaking about android, is it usable as an every day phone actually ? |
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| 15:50.39 | sicu | ohjess ... unless by usable you mean being able to answer incoming calls, write sms's, etc., then no |
| 15:50.50 | igor321 | what's the difference between console, illume, and the one without illume |
| 15:50.53 | slaxxin | lolololol |
| 15:50.56 | igor321 | kinda confusing |
| 15:51.07 | slaxxin | get the illume 1 |
| 15:51.30 | slaxxin | 78 megs |
| 15:51.34 | transylvania | sicu: that's the point, using it as a "phone" :) |
| 15:52.19 | slaxxin | or maybe the 73 meg 1 |
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| 15:52.53 | igor321 | ill try the 78 mb first |
| 15:53.00 | transylvania | actually I have qtextended 4.4.2 with big echo problems and debian with a poor interface |
| 15:53.02 | sicu | transylvania: ;] |
| 15:53.27 | transylvania | qtopia 4.3.3 was better regarding the sound |
| 15:53.45 | igor321 | one question, what are these .summary files |
| 15:54.02 | igor321 | never touched them.. what are they for? |
| 15:54.07 | mwester | those are the correct images to flash on the gta02 |
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| 15:54.21 | igor321 | and the non-.summary ones? |
| 15:54.34 | mwester | the wrong images to flash. |
| 15:54.37 | mwester | (slower) |
| 15:55.06 | mwester | But because the .summary image doesn't fit on the flash in the gta01, the non-summary version must be used on that device. |
| 15:55.10 | mwester | hence both exist. |
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| 15:55.57 | igor321 | mwester: u seem knowledgeable, what is the correct image to download, the one that says illume or the one that doesn't? not counting the "console" images |
| 15:56.17 | mwester | For what distro? |
| 15:56.26 | slaxxin | lolol |
| 15:56.26 | igor321 | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ |
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| 15:57.37 | mwester | I suspect you want the other one -- neither illume nor console. |
| 15:58.34 | mwester | IIRC, console provides no GUI at all, illume provides the illume X GUI (but I don't know if it has zhone or not), and I think the standard image is the one that provides the zhone debugging GUI. |
| 15:59.04 | igor321 | makes sense, thanks |
| 15:59.13 | sicu | the illume one has both shone and illume |
| 15:59.23 | sicu | s/s/z |
| 15:59.48 | mwester | thanks mr. sicu. :) |
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| 15:59.59 | igor321 | how come the standard one is larger in size? |
| 16:00.03 | igor321 | sounds fishy to me :) |
| 16:00.28 | slaxxin | ahhhh |
| 16:00.31 | mwester | must be that virus they put in it. |
| 16:00.38 | mwester | (not serious, of course!) |
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| 16:01.02 | igor321 | that's a hefty virust they put in |
| 16:01.16 | igor321 | must have a nice gui :) |
| 16:01.18 | toggles_w | igor321: sweeet! ms4 |
| 16:01.44 | sicu | hmmm ... seems i might've been mistaken: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_5#Implementations |
| 16:01.56 | sicu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.56 | sicu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.23 | sicu | well, flashing it will let you know ;p |
| 16:02.51 | igor321 | i'll be flashing the option #3 in a minute or so |
| 16:02.56 | igor321 | will let you guys know :) |
| 16:03.51 | sicu | but judging by the following scap pic, i might've been correct: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1736c14de8ee411a5dd1788535c479a6.png |
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| 16:04.11 | Dave | haha, joerg is so cute |
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| 16:06.42 | slaxxin | raster has cut alot of fat out it seems\ |
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| 16:16.22 | Dave | heehee |
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| 16:16.41 | Dave | hah, there's nothing like a flcd :D |
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| 16:18.37 | sicu | Dave: flcd? |
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| 16:18.47 | Daramarak | No alarms om FSO? |
| 16:19.27 | slaxxin | booting |
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| 16:20.21 | Dave | Frozen Liquid Crystal Display |
| 16:20.22 | Dave | :D |
| 16:20.55 | Dave | I'm going to be seeing a lot more of them this winter. |
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| 16:21.07 | Daramarak | How does that look? |
| 16:21.17 | leinir | aww, not flcl? ;) |
| 16:21.33 | Dave | heh, leinir :p |
| 16:21.51 | Dave | OH, haha |
| 16:21.53 | Dave | lame |
| 16:21.55 | slaxxin | it looks blank |
| 16:21.58 | Dave | slaps leinir |
| 16:22.14 | leinir | meeps! |
| 16:22.30 | slaxxin | 15 sec blank time |
| 16:23.14 | Daramarak | a flcd - wouldn't that really be a hcd, hard crystal display, or just cd? |
| 16:23.29 | Dave | nah |
| 16:23.43 | Dave | because most of the time it's not entirely solid |
| 16:23.45 | slaxxin | battery meter seems correct |
| 16:25.18 | slaxxin | PRETTY |
| 16:25.20 | Dave | haha, shit |
| 16:25.24 | Dave | I left tango on all night again |
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| 16:25.50 | Daramarak | Then you can see where your phone has been all night |
| 16:25.56 | Dave | Not really |
| 16:26.01 | Dave | since it hangs up the phone :D |
| 16:26.11 | Daramarak | :( |
| 16:26.13 | Dave | Yep |
| 16:26.26 | Dave | One tap can take up to 40s to respond on the phone |
| 16:26.32 | Dave | and I cannot switch out of the application |
| 16:26.34 | sicu | Dave: mem leakage or cpu drainage? |
| 16:26.44 | Dave | the former, more than the latter |
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| 16:26.51 | sicu | i left mine for about 6hrs, and it was just fine |
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| 16:26.55 | Dave | usually Xglamo goes defunct too sometimes |
| 16:27.22 | Dave | it blows up, and just sits there, needlessly eating CPU |
| 16:27.29 | sicu | :/ |
| 16:27.54 | Dave | Hard resets ftw! |
| 16:28.13 | sicu | it gets bored just sitting there all night, so ofcourse it starts eating CPU |
| 16:28.20 | Dave | Resets without having your subwoofer connected ftw! |
| 16:28.26 | Dave | sicu :p |
| 16:28.30 | Dave | it's funny but really not funny :\ |
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| 16:29.23 | Dave | Mwester, I was just thinking about how "Openmoko boots" is a somewhat musing oxymoronic statement. :) |
| 16:29.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: don't call my name in vain! ;-) |
| 16:29.53 | Dave | It wasn't, I swear! |
| 16:29.54 | Dave | :D |
| 16:30.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | [00:01] <Dave> haha, joerg is so cute |
| 16:30.36 | Dave | Joerg, many of your posts on the ml are very informative and helpful, but I definitely find your sense of humor most amusing sometimes. |
| 16:31.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | never noticed I own such a sense anyway ;-) |
| 16:31.13 | Dave | I forgot which post it was that I was reading earlier which led me to say that, but it's always funny listening to your jokes :D |
| 16:31.20 | Dave | hah! |
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| 16:31.55 | Dave | So apparently the Freerunner now has an even better use, when it's gsm isn't buzzing your crazy, you can use it to jam FM radios? :D |
| 16:32.09 | Dave | its, rather |
| 16:33.41 | Dave | In other news, I have the urge to throw freerunners at Werner. |
| 16:33.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: I'm quite sure we could. At least nobody tested FR to be useless for this purpose :-D |
| 16:33.54 | Dave | haha |
| 16:34.23 | Dave | Joerg, I'm going to sit on the bus next to some of those iPod users whose device has an FM tuner and jam their tunes! |
| 16:34.34 | Dave | We'll see how it turns out... |
| 16:34.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
| 16:35.08 | Dave | Joerg, I think I learned my lesson earlier this year though. Having my freerunner sitting on my electronics workbench in the lab when performing experiments is ill-advised. |
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| 16:35.32 | sicu | oooh, it's a multi purpose device, a jammer and a clapper |
| 16:35.36 | Dave | Though it was fun making things pop and crackle all over the room :D |
| 16:35.44 | Dave | sicu! |
| 16:35.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: we're still waiting for your proof to be able to cause tsunami by using FR |
| 16:36.01 | Dave | haha :) |
| 16:36.15 | Dave | I hope taiwan doesn't blame me for any subsequent tidal surges :) |
| 16:36.38 | Dave | Not that I have to worry, as I'll be hiding in the antarctic with my freerunner :) |
| 16:36.49 | Dave | charging it via polarbear power! |
| 16:36.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | gnaah! please postpone experiments until I leave! |
| 16:36.57 | Dave | yeehaw! |
| 16:36.57 | sicu | and using it as a puck |
| 16:37.07 | Dave | haha |
| 16:37.27 | Dave | Don't worry, I'll give you some forewarning, Joerg :) |
| 16:37.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | well, 10th floor looks kinda safe |
| 16:37.46 | Dave | :) |
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| 16:38.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | ok, takes me 20 minutes to climb next hill |
| 16:38.27 | Dave | slaps werner around a bit with a large mwester |
| 16:38.34 | sicu | Dave: let me know how openmoocow goes down with the polarbears |
| 16:38.51 | Dave | openmoobear? |
| 16:39.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | openmoocow :-))) |
| 16:39.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 16:39.28 | Dave | Have you openmooed today? |
| 16:39.42 | sicu | nah, ran out of laxitives |
| 16:39.47 | Dave | o_o |
| 16:39.55 | Dave | scary |
| 16:40.09 | sicu | =o |
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| 16:40.46 | Dave | Joerg, have you seen Stefan's post in hw? |
| 16:40.54 | Dave | It actually got me thinking... |
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| 16:41.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | subject? |
| 16:41.03 | Dave | because I'm all about hacks like that |
| 16:41.23 | Dave | oh well it was about that you can fit an SD card in the battery compartment when using a slightly slimmer Nokia battery |
| 16:41.32 | Dave | he seems to just store his adapter in there |
| 16:41.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
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| 16:41.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | never seen such an adapter tho |
| 16:41.57 | Dave | but Werner thought he had devised some sort of micro sd -> SD adapter |
| 16:42.18 | Dave | a nice little ribbon should do the trick ;) |
| 16:42.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 16:42.40 | Dave | that's like what I did with my SIM in another phone I had |
| 16:42.49 | Dave | and they make those! so... |
| 16:43.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | but actually you prolly need to build Urself |
| 16:43.09 | Dave | yeah ~_ |
| 16:43.17 | Dave | which isn't very probably |
| 16:43.23 | Dave | it would likely result in a wirey mess :D |
| 16:43.32 | Dave | but it's probably "doable" as far as I'm concerned |
| 16:44.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | make wires nicely parallel. remember it's a bus sith timing constraints |
| 16:45.14 | CM_work | At least a tattoo with the OpenMoko logo would look cool... http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/11/11/storm_tattoo/ |
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| 16:47.10 | Dave | haha |
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| 16:48.28 | TAsn | i wonder, where do i add illume bugs to? |
| 16:48.33 | TAsn | can't find a proper place. |
| 16:51.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | TAsn: for tattoo? ;-) |
| 16:51.47 | TAsn | for a tattoo and illume bugs. ;] |
| 16:51.54 | TAsn | both are hard to decide/find |
| 16:51.55 | Dave | haha |
| 16:52.08 | Dave | OM should hold a contest or two... :P |
| 16:52.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | TAsn: I know of a proper place for tattoo. :-X |
| 16:52.33 | TAsn | Dave, that's a TERRIBLE idea ;] |
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| 16:52.51 | TAsn | this bug isn't critical, it's actually minor |
| 16:52.54 | TAsn | though it's still there |
| 16:52.59 | TAsn | and still annoying. |
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| 16:53.43 | TAsn | cya ;] |
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| 16:53.58 | TAsn | off doing an open moko tattoo. |
| 16:54.04 | TAsn | *is |
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| 16:54.32 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 16:57.04 | Dave | hah |
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| 17:04.13 | Daramarak | Any first impressions of the new FSO |
| 17:05.07 | kd8ikt | milestone4? |
| 17:05.16 | Daramarak | yep |
| 17:05.22 | kd8ikt | uses illume/enlightenment window manager + zhone |
| 17:05.37 | kd8ikt | what else can be said about it |
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| 17:06.07 | jave | hi |
| 17:07.06 | Daramarak | stable? speed? boot time? |
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| 17:09.01 | Daramarak | sound issues? any other improvments from milestone3? |
| 17:10.15 | kd8ikt | well ugh its not out yet |
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| 17:11.53 | Daramarak | ohh... it isn't |
| 17:12.10 | Daramarak | I thought all the images meant that it was... |
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| 17:15.44 | kd8ikt | what images |
| 17:15.58 | Daramarak | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/ this looks like milestone4 too me :) |
| 17:16.12 | kd8ikt | oh crap its out |
| 17:16.13 | kd8ikt | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/ |
| 17:16.17 | Daramarak | Yeah |
| 17:16.34 | kd8ikt | nice |
| 17:16.38 | Daramarak | :D |
| 17:16.41 | kd8ikt | time to flash |
| 17:16.56 | kd8ikt | i was just playing around with testing asu |
| 17:17.04 | Daramarak | Do not taunt, stuck at work, cannot flash from here. |
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| 17:17.42 | kd8ikt | dont have a livecd? |
| 17:18.06 | kd8ikt | then again it would suck to loose your job messing around with non work related stuff |
| 17:18.22 | Daramarak | It is considered bad juju for the employment to flash images from work :) |
| 17:19.50 | kd8ikt | well one testing image i was playing with sucked cause no matter what power settings i saved it kept sleeping and white screening me |
| 17:23.27 | Daramarak | That is bad... What image was that? |
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| 17:24.01 | kd8ikt | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ either unstable or testing i forget now |
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| 17:28.09 | Dave | haha whitescreening |
| 17:28.32 | slaxxin | at least contacts work |
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| 17:29.56 | slaxxin | the little green phone frow 1970 is working well |
| 17:30.43 | slaxxin | battery icon shoes correct charge level it looks like |
| 17:30.44 | Dave | I'm glad things are working out for you, slaxxin. |
| 17:31.01 | Dave | Yes, I'm sure the battery icon shows you shoes. |
| 17:31.26 | slaxxin | if u wouldnt use that hammer dave |
| 17:31.43 | Dave | Hey... what hammer... |
| 17:32.44 | slaxxin | droidbot |
| 17:33.11 | slaxxin | are u using fso4 or still on droid |
| 17:33.24 | Dave | no fso4 yet |
| 17:33.29 | zipo_ | openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 17:33.29 | zipo_ | openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 17:33.30 | zipo_ | ktory obraz polecacie ?? |
| 17:33.57 | Dave | as soon as something comes down to me, I'll slap it on a freerunner for testing (abusing). |
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| 17:34.35 | slaxxin | currently abusing android? |
| 17:35.09 | Dave | I will neither confirm or deny that ;) |
| 17:35.30 | slaxxin | openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 17:35.46 | slaxxin | is the 1 i have |
| 17:36.08 | kd8ikt | i'm flashing illume right now |
| 17:36.31 | slaxxin | battery power dropping fast |
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| 17:37.51 | Dave | kd8, let us know how it turns out :P |
| 17:37.55 | nicfer | I've read a comment that you were about to switch to android instead of openmoko |
| 17:38.01 | slaxxin | ive had no gps the last 3 images |
| 17:38.05 | Dave | I presume it's just like the images on scap. |
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| 17:38.43 | nicfer | that's what caused me to post that |
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| 17:46.50 | ajuonline | Dave: does that *thing* even work yet? |
| 17:46.58 | Dave | What thing!? |
| 17:46.58 | ajuonline | thing == android |
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| 17:47.01 | Dave | What are you guys talking about!? |
| 17:47.08 | Dave | throws a freerunner at ajuonline |
| 17:47.12 | Dave | Working on it! |
| 17:47.13 | kd8ikt | ugh fso milestone4 lacking dialer? |
| 17:47.19 | Dave | hahaha |
| 17:47.24 | Dave | kd8, what a twist! |
| 17:47.25 | kd8ikt | illume |
| 17:47.26 | ajuonline | Dave: i have mine :) but thanks for another |
| 17:47.31 | Dave | uggh :D |
| 17:48.13 | slaxxin | k8 u use the illume image? |
| 17:48.33 | slaxxin | kd8ikt |
| 17:48.36 | ajuonline | i have downloaded the illume too havent flashed it yet |
| 17:48.40 | Dave | read up; he just flashed it, you dolt! |
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| 17:48.54 | Dave | Let us know your complaints about how broken it is :P |
| 17:49.01 | ekra | Hi |
| 17:49.03 | slaxxin | ooo i will |
| 17:49.08 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 17:49.19 | ajuonline | correction: yet to download on this pc. i have it on my remote pc. |
| 17:49.23 | slaxxin | nothing sofar:) |
| 17:49.42 | ekra | Please, does anybody know the root default password in SHR ? |
| 17:49.55 | slaxxin | blank |
| 17:50.04 | kd8ikt | hard return |
| 17:50.13 | ajuonline | i was trying root on my fr with mwester's latest qtopia with gtalk etc etc |
| 17:50.22 | ajuonline | ssh connection kept refusing |
| 17:50.26 | ajuonline | while i was able to ping the phone |
| 17:50.47 | ekra | firewall ? |
| 17:51.13 | kd8ikt | terminal - vte -f 3 ;) |
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| 17:51.18 | ajuonline | from pc to usb? what firewall? |
| 17:51.44 | ekra | yeah you've got a firewall on your pc |
| 17:51.53 | ekra | netfilter |
| 17:52.15 | kd8ikt | ew neato zhone's been modded |
| 17:52.16 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r320 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Add __init__.py for constants etc. |
| 17:52.17 | slaxxin | top shelf actually gets bigger |
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| 17:52.33 | Dave | kd8, pimped out? |
| 17:52.51 | kd8ikt | gimmie a few min to play i could upload some screens |
| 17:53.02 | slaxxin | relaxing landscape |
| 17:53.17 | ekra | ajuonline, : iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 17:53.20 | Dave | on the beach now, slaxxin? |
| 17:53.32 | slaxxin | nope |
| 17:53.58 | slaxxin | maybe from the beach uphill slightly |
| 17:54.13 | slaxxin | twilight |
| 17:54.15 | Dave | o.O |
| 17:54.21 | Dave | van gough? |
| 17:54.47 | slaxxin | looks ok |
| 17:55.23 | ekra | Please, does anybody know the root default password in SHR ? |
| 17:55.25 | slaxxin | though the grey -darkgrey scheme is better for me |
| 17:55.39 | slaxxin | ekra |
| 17:55.44 | ekra | yes ? |
| 17:56.00 | slaxxin | do u see the prewvious post? |
| 17:56.02 | ekra | no sry |
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| 17:56.04 | slaxxin | lolol |
| 17:56.07 | Dave | -_- |
| 17:56.09 | Dave | behave |
| 17:56.57 | ekra | slaxxin, "blank" ? |
| 17:57.07 | mokolade | "" |
| 17:57.13 | ekra | cause blank does'nt work |
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| 17:57.30 | ekra | # ssh root@192.168.0.200 |
| 17:57.31 | ekra | Password: |
| 17:57.38 | ekra | with nothing |
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| 17:58.15 | slaxxin | well i put music on it yesterday right after flashing it |
| 17:58.35 | slaxxin | used it all night |
| 17:59.09 | ekra | I have a root terminal on the phone |
| 17:59.15 | ekra | but no keybord |
| 17:59.27 | ekra | do you know how could I type something ? |
| 18:00.14 | slaxxin | maybe hit the qwerty in the upper right corner if i remember correctly |
| 18:00.42 | ekra | oh yeah you're right |
| 18:00.45 | ekra | thanks |
| 18:01.07 | slaxxin | then scroll down an change it to terminal keyboard |
| 18:01.40 | ekra | yeah it works many thanks |
| 18:02.07 | kd8ikt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 18:02.36 | ajuonline | i tried the voice recorder on qtopia. does it work? |
| 18:02.38 | ekra | blank did'nt worked |
| 18:02.45 | ajuonline | ekra: what was the root passworD? |
| 18:02.52 | ekra | dunno |
| 18:02.58 | ekra | I do it on the phone |
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| 18:03.22 | ekra | #passwd : no record of root in /etc/shadow, using /etc/passwd |
| 18:03.27 | ekra | weird ? |
| 18:04.19 | kd8ikt | i like to change /usr/share/applications/htop.desktop to exec vte -f3 (also install vte) |
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| 18:06.47 | Daramarak | Anyone tested the sound of ms4? |
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| 18:08.01 | slaxxin | i have no illume |
| 18:08.39 | ekra | can't connect ssh |
| 18:08.48 | ekra | even with changed passwd |
| 18:09.10 | ekra | in SHR |
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| 18:09.56 | slaxxin | reboot maybe? |
| 18:10.03 | ekra | :s |
| 18:10.06 | ekra | alright |
| 18:10.15 | Dave | someone set you up teh rootkit? |
| 18:10.43 | slaxxin | shr team!!! |
| 18:10.48 | ekra | :) |
| 18:11.13 | slaxxin | did u try mofi |
| 18:11.27 | ekra | yes |
| 18:11.28 | slaxxin | thats why |
| 18:11.48 | slaxxin | maybe |
| 18:11.50 | igor321 | ekra: i don't think you ssh to .200 but .202 |
| 18:11.50 | ekra | (crash :p) |
| 18:12.00 | ekra | ahhhh |
| 18:12.09 | igor321 | .200 is your computer |
| 18:12.10 | ekra | sry :p |
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| 18:12.22 | ekra | yeah to much test and devices !!! |
| 18:12.48 | ekra | Sorry, I just said rubbishes |
| 18:12.54 | ekra | :/ |
| 18:13.06 | ajuonline | which one shall i try to flash? |
| 18:13.08 | ekra | I could have tried to understand !! |
| 18:13.10 | ajuonline | of the ms4 ? |
| 18:13.34 | igor321 | ajuonline: try the illume one, cause i tried the no-illume one |
| 18:13.44 | igor321 | so we can compare :) |
| 18:13.47 | slaxxin | do the illume |
| 18:13.56 | ekra | illume is made for phone |
| 18:14.00 | ekra | so use it |
| 18:14.25 | kd8ikt | melikey illume |
| 18:14.25 | igor321 | well the one i flashed is also made for phone, has illume and zhone |
| 18:14.33 | Dave | Having problems, are we? |
| 18:14.36 | ekra | ok |
| 18:14.40 | slaxxin | none |
| 18:14.53 | Dave | Kd8, do you have a preference? |
| 18:15.21 | laen | Hmmm so OM is moving to Qi instead of uboot Oo |
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| 18:15.28 | Dave | YES |
| 18:15.30 | laen | Hey Dave, etc :P |
| 18:15.37 | ekra | $ ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 18:15.37 | ekra | root@192.168.0.202's password: |
| 18:15.37 | ekra | root@om-gta02 ~ $ |
| 18:15.39 | ekra | thanks :p |
| 18:15.51 | mokolade | RAM. I want more RAM! |
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| 18:16.10 | Daramarak | That would be great |
| 18:16.30 | Daramarak | 4GB of snappy ram ;) |
| 18:17.17 | mokolade | freshly installed and booted openmoko-fso-image-glibc uses approximately 119MB of RAM, leaving only 7MB to run other apps :( |
| 18:17.24 | slaxxin | leave the kernel's job to the Kernel |
| 18:17.25 | ekra | just made a "du -sh" and crash it :/ |
| 18:17.26 | mokolade | it suxx! |
| 18:17.35 | igor321 | i really liked the old black & white illume better, was snappier |
| 18:17.45 | Dave | mokolade, fuck yeah! |
| 18:17.51 | jonkristian | hrm |
| 18:17.56 | Dave | :o |
| 18:18.09 | Dave | står til |
| 18:18.22 | mokolade | is it possible to convince openmoko to put more rAM in gta03? |
| 18:18.29 | laen | It's doing that. |
| 18:18.34 | mokolade | or modding more RAM in gta02? |
| 18:18.44 | laen | Thats your task. |
| 18:18.45 | Dave | Unlikely. |
| 18:19.00 | mokolade | fitte |
| 18:19.03 | mwester | mokolade: why would you want to have *less* ram used? |
| 18:19.11 | mwester | If ram is unused, it is wasted. |
| 18:20.22 | mwester | the kernel will use as much as it can, and will give it to apps as they need it. |
| 18:20.23 | jonkristian | he's doing realtime audio production:D |
| 18:20.23 | Dave | Who? What!? |
| 18:20.23 | Dave | pesky laens :P |
| 18:20.23 | mokolade | well, isn't it okei to have som RAM spare for som GPS apps, games, browsing porn and so on??? |
| 18:20.23 | jonkristian | lolooo |
| 18:20.23 | laen | On the FR? :P |
| 18:20.23 | jonkristian | porn is a waste of time |
| 18:20.23 | mwester | mokolade: No. That's not how linux works. |
| 18:20.23 | Dave | mazzelpik :P |
| 18:20.25 | mwester | mokolade: The kernel will use all spare ram to buffer I/O. |
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| 18:20.47 | mwester | mokolade: If an app needs memory, then the kernel will simply give up some of the buffers. |
| 18:21.04 | mokolade | hmmm |
| 18:21.08 | slaxxin | i like the om keyboard on the non-illume fso4 |
| 18:21.09 | Daramarak | kind kernel, it likes sharing too ;) |
| 18:21.11 | mwester | mokolade: so you do not have a problem until you reach the point where swapping begins. |
| 18:21.24 | Dave | slaxxin, fight it out with kd8ikt |
| 18:21.25 | Dave | :) |
| 18:21.40 | slaxxin | no fighting dave |
| 18:21.46 | slaxxin | ;) |
| 18:21.55 | jonkristian | ping |
| 18:21.56 | Dave | booooo |
| 18:22.12 | jonkristian | I need some f00d |
| 18:22.16 | jonkristian | kjøttkak! |
| 18:22.19 | Dave | sends jonkristian SIGFOOD |
| 18:22.20 | mokolade | well, fuck it, I want more RAM anyway! :P |
| 18:22.28 | Dave | haha |
| 18:22.30 | ajuonline | dcc sends jonkristian Pizza |
| 18:22.34 | slaxxin | it seems better than the htc 1 my neighbor has!! |
| 18:22.54 | mokolade | fiskeboller |
| 18:22.54 | jonkristian | Oh thanks guys, my virtual hunger is pleased. |
| 18:22.58 | Dave | haha |
| 18:23.02 | mwester | mokolade: more ram = more power drain from the battery, so you get poorer battery life. |
| 18:23.02 | Dave | :D |
| 18:23.07 | Dave | I HUNGER... FOR MOKOS |
| 18:23.10 | max_posedon | mokolade, man free ps |
| 18:23.22 | slaxxin | we need more battery life |
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| 18:23.27 | Dave | Mwester, I still say we should shoot for a larger capacity battery. |
| 18:23.33 | max_posedon | and man mkswap, and you will get more RAM)) |
| 18:23.35 | Dave | Though power management is clearly a bigger priority :) |
| 18:23.43 | slaxxin | laptop battery |
| 18:23.49 | jonkristian | how's fso 4 guys? |
| 18:23.57 | slaxxin | ++++++ |
| 18:23.58 | laen | It's out? |
| 18:24.14 | laen | I mean milestone is out, but is the software out? |
| 18:24.16 | ajuonline | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.21 | ajuonline | am i downloading the correct one? |
| 18:24.23 | slaxxin | yup |
| 18:24.30 | slaxxin | openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 18:24.30 | ajuonline | ok |
| 18:24.44 | slaxxin | non illume |
| 18:24.45 | mwester | agrees with Dave, and then goes off in search of heavy fabric to reinforce the pockets in which he might place the behemouth battery-laden monster phone that would result. |
| 18:24.57 | jonkristian | im doing openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.bz2 |
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| 18:25.36 | jonkristian | i want a big ass phone, so i can beat people in their heads with it if they steal my beer. |
| 18:25.45 | Dave | Mwester :)) |
| 18:25.46 | Daramarak | Ahhh, I also want to flash my phone! |
| 18:25.46 | ajuonline | how about connecting a ups to the phone? |
| 18:25.47 | ajuonline | runs |
| 18:25.54 | slaxxin | multi-purpose tool? |
| 18:25.55 | mokolade | lol |
| 18:25.58 | mwester | Big extension cord. |
| 18:26.04 | jonkristian | MMC |
| 18:26.07 | ajuonline | a portable one |
| 18:26.08 | Dave | multipurposemoko |
| 18:26.12 | ajuonline | maybe wireless |
| 18:26.17 | ajuonline | wireless electricty |
| 18:26.18 | ajuonline | w00t |
| 18:26.23 | jonkristian | o_O |
| 18:26.26 | Daramarak | You see in Norway beer is so expensive we need big f*cking phones |
| 18:26.26 | ajuonline | i just came up with the next killer idea! |
| 18:26.33 | Dave | Mwester, soon enough one of the accessories being offered from the openmoko.com store will be a backpack ;) |
| 18:26.39 | mwester | gets his laptop, puts an openmoko logo on it, plugs a GSM modem into the USB port, and sells it to mokolade for a large profit. |
| 18:26.48 | ajuonline | ha ha |
| 18:26.57 | Dave | Win! |
| 18:27.20 | mokolade | me wants! :D |
| 18:27.26 | Dave | rofl |
| 18:27.48 | Dave | Check eBay tonight. |
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| 18:28.20 | mokolade | yeah, I'll have my mastercard ready :P |
| 18:29.11 | Dave | Oh man, hilarious! |
| 18:29.15 | mokolade | zhone looks much better without the flower power |
| 18:29.42 | spydon | give me a pic of the flower power ^^ |
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| 18:29.51 | Dave | eBay: "Openmoko Neo Freerunner Smartphone Unlocked" (#400007325893) - price: US $499.99 Shipping: |
| 18:29.56 | Dave | FREE shipping |
| 18:29.58 | ajuonline | rofl |
| 18:30.07 | Dave | Dude, but it's UNLOCKED! |
| 18:30.10 | mokolade | <:P |
| 18:30.35 | Dave | Quantity: 2 available |
| 18:30.37 | ajuonline | here in India we dont have the concept of network locked phones! |
| 18:30.46 | Dave | lucky for you, huh |
| 18:30.47 | ajuonline | except when they launched the iPhone |
| 18:31.00 | ajuonline | for a hefty price. no subsidy etc. but still locked. |
| 18:31.08 | alephnull | And the blackberry. |
| 18:31.30 | ajuonline | alephnull: in India? |
| 18:31.32 | kd8ikt | damn 500$ |
| 18:31.47 | kd8ikt | i paid 375 for mine |
| 18:32.06 | Dave | :P |
| 18:32.08 | leinir | EUR 360 i think it was... |
| 18:32.13 | Dave | I hope it's not anyone we know selling it... |
| 18:32.14 | alephnull | ajuonline: Yeah. The ones sold by Vodafone and Airtel are locked. |
| 18:32.18 | kpawanro | for me EUR 320 |
| 18:32.21 | Dave | The item location is here in NY. |
| 18:32.30 | ajuonline | alephnull: ah right. |
| 18:32.42 | ajuonline | but those are not used by *normal* people :P |
| 18:32.43 | Dave | hah |
| 18:32.45 | mokolade | fso4 has gsm echo |
| 18:32.50 | Dave | you're calling US normal!? |
| 18:32.51 | kd8ikt | atleast openmoko got their money from him |
| 18:32.54 | Dave | laughs uncontrollably |
| 18:33.09 | kd8ikt | hope he fails at selling it |
| 18:33.09 | ajuonline | Dave: i mean. business/corporates usually get those bulky devices aka blackberry. |
| 18:33.10 | Dave | eyes leinir |
| 18:33.17 | leinir | :) |
| 18:33.18 | Dave | ajuonline, so? |
| 18:33.20 | Dave | leinir ;) |
| 18:33.52 | ajuonline | Dave: so they are already paid by their companies. they dont need to worry about it being locked. coz even the sim card/plans are paid by the company :P |
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| 18:34.19 | Dave | 0 results found for |
| 18:34.20 | Dave | phone condom |
| 18:34.28 | ajuonline | wtf |
| 18:34.30 | Dave | 2 items found in Stores |
| 18:34.34 | Dave | woot! |
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| 18:34.38 | ajuonline | lol |
| 18:34.52 | Dave | CONDOM FOR YOUR CELL PHONE MOBILE PROTECTION 6 PACK NEW |
| 18:35.00 | Dave | I hope they come in different flavors! |
| 18:35.05 | ajuonline | rofl |
| 18:35.07 | ajuonline | =)) |
| 18:35.11 | apollo13 | hi guys, which of the milestone4 images should I install? openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk or openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk |
| 18:35.19 | apollo13 | latter is without zhone, am I right? |
| 18:35.30 | mokolade | yes |
| 18:35.37 | kd8ikt | yeah but i went and insta;;ed it |
| 18:35.39 | Dave | Oh, my... |
| 18:35.42 | kd8ikt | now its kewl |
| 18:35.43 | apollo13 | mokolade: thx |
| 18:35.44 | Dave | Your Cell Phone Is Totally: Water, Dirt, Mud, Paint, Sweat, Blood and Snow Proof! |
| 18:35.53 | kd8ikt | excapt i just got white screened |
| 18:35.57 | Dave | Just what are some people doing with their cellphones!? |
| 18:36.05 | Dave | I don't know, but I think we should ask Zorkman. |
| 18:36.31 | slaxxin | smuggling them in at all costs |
| 18:36.42 | Dave | oh my god |
| 18:36.47 | Dave | the pictures there are horrible! >:P |
| 18:37.24 | mokolade | btw, I saw a picture of a freerunner with a chassis doubler, does anyone know if someone is selling that thing? |
| 18:37.35 | slaxxin | dave does believe in God |
| 18:37.37 | Dave | http://search.ebay.com/120325136356 |
| 18:37.41 | Dave | slaxxin, pfft. |
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| 18:39.50 | kd8ikt | hey whats that settings app that comes with asu |
| 18:40.20 | hiciu | kd8ikt: exposure |
| 18:41.10 | Dave | heh, ASU |
| 18:43.25 | kd8ikt | like fso... something keeps messing with blanking the screen |
| 18:43.41 | kd8ikt | when i tell the lil illume conifgure thing to not do screen blanking |
| 18:43.42 | Dave | screen unsaver? |
| 18:43.51 | Dave | it doesn't listen to you? |
| 18:43.51 | kd8ikt | it still blanks screen |
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| 18:44.19 | kd8ikt | no i even started yelling at it but it wont listen |
| 18:45.38 | Dave | :( |
| 18:45.52 | Dave | That reminds me of the time I had with 2007 when I first got the phone many months ago |
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| 18:48.17 | toggles_w | ms4 is puuurrrrty... |
| 18:48.34 | toggles_w | I see they have Daves beta android keyboard in there too |
| 18:50.16 | Dave | hides |
| 18:51.29 | Dave | You see nothing! |
| 18:52.53 | ajuonline | kd8ikt: do you have the mute button off? |
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| 18:52.56 | ajuonline | sorry on |
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| 18:53.04 | ajuonline | try turning it off. it might listen |
| 18:53.26 | alephnull | ms4 is out ? |
| 18:53.34 | ajuonline | alephnull: yes. |
| 18:53.44 | ajuonline | glad you woke up. good morning :) |
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| 18:55.54 | mokolade | I want this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html |
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| 18:56.24 | mokolade | and stuff a BIG li-po battery inside :) and maybe camera, 3G module +++ :P |
| 18:56.30 | ajuonline | mokolade: try wget http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html |
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| 18:57.04 | mokolade | just wget it, and then click it on? :) |
| 18:57.17 | ajuonline | you can do whatever you want with it :P |
| 18:57.18 | ajuonline | then |
| 18:57.18 | ajuonline | ;) |
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| 19:05.55 | Dave | Man, who be scappin' ? |
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| 19:06.40 | sicu | DAVE! |
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| 19:07.44 | Dave | YES, WHAT!? |
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| 19:09.29 | spydon | he just likes to bother you, like everybody else ;) |
| 19:10.47 | sicu | hehe .. true true |
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| 19:13.17 | Dave | bah :P |
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| 19:14.09 | kd8ikt | so what did they add to their moko? |
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| 19:14.42 | trupheenix | does the freerunner support VESA at all? |
| 19:14.48 | kd8ikt | mokokast? |
| 19:14.49 | Dave | kd8, did you just throw those pics on scap? |
| 19:14.57 | kd8ikt | i put one on |
| 19:15.23 | Dave | okay, I thought so :) |
| 19:15.28 | Dave | Are you enjoying it, by the way? |
| 19:15.50 | kd8ikt | no i'm flashing a new fso image |
| 19:16.06 | kd8ikt | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary |
| 19:16.15 | trupheenix | does the freerunner support VESA BIOS extensions? |
| 19:18.08 | mwester | trupheenix: the fr is not an intel-based device... what is it you are trying to do? |
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| 19:18.24 | trupheenix | mwester: i'm trying to run splashy from Debian |
| 19:18.40 | trupheenix | mwester: splashy requires access to a framebuffer |
| 19:18.54 | mwester | /dev/fb |
| 19:19.00 | nomeata | trupheenix: a framebuffer is present |
| 19:19.04 | trupheenix | mwester: so i passed the vga=XXX option from Uboot |
| 19:19.16 | trupheenix | mwester: yes a framebuffer is present |
| 19:19.30 | trupheenix | mwester: but splashy needs a vga mode to start with. |
| 19:20.21 | trupheenix | mwester: i keep getting ERROR: libsplashy: Framebuffer is not configured properly please see http://tinyurl.com/ Splash ERROR: Couldn't splashy_start_splashy() Error -2. |
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| 19:22.22 | sicu | haha Dave, you've been scap'ed ... you must be so proud |
| 19:22.24 | trupheenix | mwester: is VESA an X86 tihng? |
| 19:23.50 | Dave | ;P |
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| 19:24.33 | mwester | trupheenix: bios is an x86 thing |
| 19:25.51 | trupheenix | mwester: :| then i guess splashy will not work because it requires a vga= option to start |
| 19:25.51 | trupheenix | mwester: am i right? |
| 19:27.05 | Kensan | trupheenix: you can pass kernel parameters via uboot. |
| 19:27.08 | mwester | frankly, my bet is that if splashy doesn't work, it would probably be becuase it is poorly written -- there's no reason IMO for it to need specific bios things to deal with a framebuffer, unless it is either poorly written. |
| 19:27.38 | mwester | So perhaps the problem is in the documentation -- it works, but nobody has yet documented how to do it on a non-x86 platform. |
| 19:28.48 | mwester | I would assume that what it REALLY wants is to know how to initialize the framebuffer device -- resolution, rotation, timings, etc. |
| 19:29.07 | mwester | You should be able to tell it that in some generic way, I would expect. |
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| 19:29.53 | trupheenix | mwester i am terribly confused now. where can i learn about the framebuffer device? |
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| 19:30.59 | mwester | google would be where I'd start. But ultimately you would probably end up on the openmoko wiki, or even in the driver source code, to get information. Also, a look at the source code to "splashy" would probably be worthwhile. |
| 19:34.36 | ajuonline | can anyone confirm me how do I verify if the downloads I have are not corrupt? |
| 19:34.41 | cjb | ajuonline: md5sum |
| 19:35.04 | ajuonline | where are the md5 values listeD? |
| 19:35.07 | ajuonline | so that i can match them? |
| 19:35.16 | ajuonline | ms4 folder i dont see |
| 19:35.17 | ajuonline | any |
| 19:35.47 | cjb | I guess they aren't published |
| 19:35.55 | ajuonline | hmm |
| 19:35.56 | ajuonline | indeed |
| 19:36.35 | ajuonline | can someone hel[p me verify? |
| 19:36.47 | trupheenix | mwester: does the OM2008 kernel have framebuffer support along with a framebuffer driver compiled? |
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| 19:37.21 | Dave | hey cjb |
| 19:38.17 | ajuonline | http://pastebin.com/d2dbbebc6 |
| 19:38.20 | ajuonline | pasted them here |
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| 19:41.34 | trupheenix | mwester: i think i found an answer http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/faq#how_can_i_use_another_fb_driver_other_than_vesa_or_my_bios_doesn_t_support_vesafb |
| 19:43.09 | vininim_ | I CAN HAS FREERUNNER! |
| 19:43.27 | spydon | no |
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| 19:43.41 | vininim_ | too late :D |
| 19:43.42 | mokolade | impossible |
| 19:43.52 | `pwgen` | leinir: ping |
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| 19:44.45 | leinir | `pwgen`: pong :) |
| 19:45.26 | `pwgen` | leinir: i actually moved to storvorde (:-)) |
| 19:45.33 | leinir | Funky! :) |
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| 19:47.50 | slaxxin | media player stops on fso4 |
| 19:48.39 | slaxxin | numpty phisics wont start |
| 19:49.31 | mokolade | neither will Htop, and tichy just hangs |
| 19:49.49 | slaxxin | gps hasnt started either |
| 19:50.05 | mokolade | it has on my phone |
| 19:50.14 | `pwgen` | leinir: we should meet, and have a beer |
| 19:50.29 | slaxxin | maybe we should do an md5sum generation just to check |
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| 19:50.36 | vininim_ | koolu should open a branch in brazil, paying 1.9x customs is not fun |
| 19:51.04 | leinir | `pwgen`: Absolutely :) |
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| 19:51.16 | slaxxin | battery meter seems to work though |
| 19:51.30 | `pwgen` | leinir: linux server installation party on 15 november ? |
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| 19:52.04 | bricode | vininim_: We're working on a reseller in Brazil. |
| 19:52.12 | gurugentoo | slaxxin: did you flash the kernel that was with it? maybe there were important changes |
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| 19:52.39 | leinir | `pwgen`: i'd probably suggest dropping by Cassiopeia for a beer at FooBar one Friday :) |
| 19:52.46 | vininim_ | bricode: nice! |
| 19:53.07 | `pwgen` | that sounds good |
| 19:53.32 | Dave | :p |
| 19:53.35 | bricode | vininim_: Part of the issue is discussing stuff ike final assembly in Brazil to reduce the import taxes. |
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| 19:53.48 | `pwgen` | leinir: that sounds good |
| 19:54.00 | Dave | leinir, cheating on me? :P |
| 19:54.26 | leinir | `pwgen`: http://fklub.cs.aau.dk/foobar/vagt141108 <-- Next one, this Friday :) |
| 19:54.57 | slaxxin | yes i did |
| 19:54.58 | leinir | Dave: Never, Sir! :) |
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| 19:55.21 | slaxxin | maybe i try illume image next |
| 19:56.00 | toggles_w | slaxxin: no zhone |
| 19:56.06 | Dave | ;) |
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| 19:56.59 | `pwgen` | leinir: who are you on the list ? |
| 19:57.11 | leinir | i'm not on the list :) |
| 19:57.30 | Dave | She's hiding! |
| 19:57.35 | Dave | he/she |
| 19:57.36 | Dave | it |
| 19:57.38 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
| 19:57.38 | Dave | LEINIR! |
| 19:57.41 | leinir | It works :) |
| 19:57.54 | vininim_ | mm it seems my freerunner came with the sd-slot interference fix, nice! |
| 19:58.12 | Dave | OMG, I'M ON SCAP! |
| 19:58.26 | leinir | vininim_: Yeah, only the first shipment misses that :) |
| 19:58.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | vininim_: how do you tell? |
| 19:59.20 | `pwgen` | leinir: it? in the canteen at cassiopeia ? |
| 19:59.28 | vininim_ | DocScrutinizer2: soldering on 3rd 4th pin |
| 19:59.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, then it's A7 with sd-cap fix |
| 20:00.15 | leinir | `pwgen`: Yup :) |
| 20:00.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | or reworked A6 |
| 20:00.16 | Zorkman | lol dave! |
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| 20:01.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | vininim_: you got empty pads near the other pins? |
| 20:01.26 | `pwgen` | leinir: ok to find me look for the longest haired guy, whearing a debian shirt, with an openmoko .... (:-)) |
| 20:01.39 | mokolade | my FreeRunner came with the sd-slot interference fix (capacitor). And I got my phone September 11. |
| 20:01.44 | Dave | I'm famous! |
| 20:01.52 | Dave | pwgen :D |
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| 20:02.46 | ekra | mokolade, how do you know there is the fix capacitor ? |
| 20:03.11 | vininim_ | DocScrutinizer2: mmm empty pads? =3 |
| 20:03.23 | leinir | `pwgen`: *giggles* i'm the guy with the top knot :) |
| 20:03.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | ekra: you see next to sd-slot, without opening case |
| 20:03.35 | mokolade | hwen you take out the SD card youll see a tiny capacitor soldered between 2 of the pins on the SD card slot |
| 20:03.37 | ekra | ok |
| 20:03.49 | Zorkman | anybody uses fso ms4 as a daily phone? |
| 20:03.54 | Zorkman | is it doable? |
| 20:03.57 | toggles_w | Zorkman: LOL |
| 20:04.08 | mokolade | it has a strong echo :/ |
| 20:04.14 | Dave | Use the force? |
| 20:04.16 | Zorkman | toggles_w: does the freerunner work already? :) |
| 20:04.20 | toggles_w | it was only release 5hrs ago ;-) |
| 20:04.24 | Zorkman | so? |
| 20:04.30 | Dave | Zorkman, I think it all brings us back to jadam's quote. |
| 20:04.32 | Zorkman | are you guys nerds or not? ^^ |
| 20:04.33 | toggles_w | it's to early for 'daily' |
| 20:04.34 | Dave | just slightly modified |
| 20:04.37 | ekra | thanks |
| 20:04.42 | Dave | Is FSO ready for the freerunner yet? |
| 20:04.42 | vininim_ | don't know exactly what's an empty pad |
| 20:04.44 | Zorkman | hehe, crazy jadams |
| 20:04.55 | Dave | :) |
| 20:04.59 | toggles_w | Zorkman: i used ms3 as my daily up until 4hrs ago |
| 20:05.06 | mokolade | lol |
| 20:05.13 | Dave | haha |
| 20:05.22 | Dave | shit got jacked yo |
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| 20:06.47 | Zorkman | dave; me and my gf are watching "the wire" and you speak like "dem nigge's" |
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| 20:06.55 | Dave | hewz yeah |
| 20:07.15 | Zorkman | i'm gonna copy my dictionary dawg! |
| 20:07.16 | Dave | niggas be all up yo shit |
| 20:07.20 | uhsf | mokochocolatayaya |
| 20:07.25 | Zorkman | :) |
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| 20:07.46 | vininim_ | ok, I'm closing it, I might check later |
| 20:08.00 | Zorkman | keep it real |
| 20:08.14 | Dave | 2007 4 lyfe, yo |
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| 20:08.39 | Zorkman | pyneo is da bomb nigga please |
| 20:09.00 | ajuonline | loaded the illume ms4 |
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| 20:09.08 | ajuonline | it doesnt work as a normal phone? |
| 20:09.14 | Dave | Zorkman, did anyone ever get ahold of it? :| |
| 20:09.38 | vininim_ | oh oh, should I be worried that the SIM card looks a little mis aligned with the slot? |
| 20:09.47 | ajuonline | i love the UI |
| 20:09.57 | ekra | Yeah I have the capacitor :) |
| 20:10.07 | toggles_w | ajuonline: no zhone, it's just an image, try the "other" one |
| 20:10.14 | spydon | vininim_, if it works, no :P |
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| 20:12.13 | ajuonline | toggles_w: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone4/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081111-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
| 20:12.34 | toggles_w | ajuonline: yeah, the one that doesn't say console or illume |
| 20:12.42 | ajuonline | ok |
| 20:12.49 | ajuonline | i love this UI tho! |
| 20:13.04 | toggles_w | ajuonline: WARNING WARNING ** the new zhone theme is puuuurrrrty |
| 20:13.15 | ajuonline | ? |
| 20:13.22 | toggles_w | pretty? |
| 20:13.32 | ajuonline | ah ok |
| 20:13.44 | Zorkman | puuuuurrrrty, like.... my cat will like it? |
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| 20:14.05 | toggles_w | purrrrrtttty like a redneck talking about his sister |
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| 20:14.47 | Zorkman | you got her phone number? |
| 20:14.58 | Zorkman | nevermind... due to echo and buzz she won't hear me anyway.... |
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| 20:20.15 | vininim_ | IT WORKS! |
| 20:20.22 | ajuonline | vininim_: what does? |
| 20:20.29 | vininim_ | the SIM card |
| 20:20.45 | vininim_ | also, are the autoconfiguration sms that provider is sending any usefull? |
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| 20:22.23 | vininim_ | nevermind, checked the date and is a stale messagem for my previous phone |
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| 20:23.41 | ajuonline | ah.. |
| 20:23.52 | ajuonline | needs to write a report on current state of ubiquitous computing |
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| 20:26.26 | Dave | :p |
| 20:26.56 | nicfer | I'm too worried about a post that said that you're about to install android in the freerunner |
| 20:27.17 | nicfer | someone can confirm that it isn't right? |
| 20:27.39 | ajuonline | maybe its left |
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| 20:32.27 | break_free | trying the new FSO and I can't get it to register my SIM |
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| 20:36.50 | ajuonline | i only see 3 icons. the keyboard and the clock, battery icon. |
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| 20:39.41 | mwester | nicfer: to WHOM are you speaking? |
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| 20:40.03 | nicfer | to the people here |
| 20:40.08 | nicfer | you in plural |
| 20:40.17 | leinir | android works on the freerunner |
| 20:40.31 | leinir | it isn't quite ready for use yet, but it works :) |
| 20:40.46 | nicfer | but I've read that it would be the default OS for the freerunner |
| 20:41.07 | faltantornillos | how can I test my python-etk apps without hacing to upload them to the freerunner? pls |
| 20:41.30 | leinir | nicfer: No idea where you've heard that, but that's definitely not what'll run on the ones sold from OpenMoko :) |
| 20:41.34 | mwester | nicfer: Om has stated their position on the mailing lists in the past -- they are providing hardware, and are supporting FSO, but they welcome Android (but I don't think they are paying for the port of Android to the FR) |
| 20:41.38 | leinir | Koolu is going to sell them with that, though :) |
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| 20:43.54 | break_free | I can never get FSO to register my SIM, qtopia and OM2008.x do it fine |
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| 20:45.57 | nicfer | http://androidcommunity.com/openmoko-confirmed-running-android-20081105/ |
| 20:46.09 | nicfer | here does mention android in the freerunner |
| 20:46.10 | Dave | Cthulhu? |
| 20:46.27 | Dave | leinir, pics or it didn't happen :p |
| 20:46.30 | Kensan | nicfer: why are you worried about android in the freerunner? |
| 20:46.34 | Kensan | on |
| 20:46.53 | Kensan | nicfer: it is an open phone and you can put on it whatever image you like. |
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| 20:47.16 | Dave | maybe he saw werner's post on the ml :p |
| 20:47.39 | nicfer | it's also posted on gizmodo and a post in spanish |
| 20:48.15 | nicfer | they mention it as an official release |
| 20:48.22 | Kensan | nicfer: so? Why does it bother you that much? If you don't like android just ignore it and turn to any of the other distributions. |
| 20:48.34 | uzi18 | hi, what is a different in all FSO M4 images ? |
| 20:48.36 | nicfer | and would be expensiver the model with android? |
| 20:49.14 | uzi18 | hi, what is a different beatween all FSO M4 images ? |
| 20:49.27 | toggles_w | uzi18: console==just console, illume==just illume, the other one is the new zhone |
| 20:49.42 | toggles_w | you probably want "the other one" |
| 20:49.42 | Kensan | nicfer: why should it be more expensive? OM is *not* working on an Android port so it does not cost them a dime so far. |
| 20:49.59 | ajuonline | nicfer: #android ? |
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| 20:50.04 | uzi18 | dont know because i'm using all the time Qt |
| 20:50.35 | uzi18 | but what is zhone ? |
| 20:51.18 | Kensan | nicfer: you will not have any negative effects wrt Android being available on the FR. On the contrary, we all benefit from the exposure etc. |
| 20:51.34 | toggles_w | uzi18: the zen phone, http://freesmartphone.org 's test app |
| 20:51.37 | nicfer | well, equally the freerunner would be hard to adquire here in Argentina |
| 20:52.00 | nicfer | or are there someone selling it here? |
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| 20:52.38 | Kensan | nicfer: check the website: http://openmoko.com/distributors.html |
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| 20:53.13 | nicfer | no south america choice |
| 20:53.47 | Kensan | nicfer: yes but many of the distributors have world-wide shipping which should cover Argentina ;) |
| 20:53.56 | uzi18 | toggles_w: thx |
| 20:54.15 | uzi18 | but illume looks very nice :) |
| 20:54.21 | nicfer | but it will be expensiver than the $400 official price |
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| 20:54.31 | nicfer | taxes here are kinda high |
| 20:55.32 | mokolade | if you had a shop in argentina, they have to pay taxes too. just order from overseas |
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| 20:58.42 | lollydays | has anyone noticed that qtextended 4.2.2 has no terminal? |
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| 20:59.10 | lollydays | sorry, 4.4.2 |
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| 23:15.32 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 23:15.43 | daramara` | Just flashed again, to the largest image. It says, connecting w/ dbus. Is it supposed to say that for long? |
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| 23:16.36 | leinir | Reading the docs (which i strongly suggest, with experimental stuff like this ;) ), you might need to reboot forcefully :) |
| 23:16.52 | leinir | The second time it should start properly - apparently there's a problem with starting dbus on first boot :) |
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| 23:19.28 | daramara` | Ok, good to know. Thanks leinir... |
| 23:20.22 | leinir | *curtsies* You are most welcome :) |
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| 23:20.44 | KungFuJesus | hey fellas |
| 23:20.55 | kd8ikt | F4t: for a peak at android http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 23:21.04 | KungFuJesus | I just spilled coffee all over my dying razr, are the power management issues worked out on the openmoko yet? |
| 23:21.13 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android |
| 23:21.35 | leinir | KungFuJesus: Sort of - i use qt extended day-to-day, and the power management works fine on that :) |
| 23:21.59 | KungFuJesus | leinir: is the phone usable as a phone? |
| 23:22.03 | kd8ikt | or to just see it http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=m4NbsLmF9j0 |
| 23:22.11 | leinir | Yes :) |
| 23:22.15 | F4t | kd8ikt, thanks, i just noticed theres a new image avalible :D |
| 23:22.22 | KungFuJesus | so like, you would pick it over any other phone? |
| 23:22.29 | kd8ikt | cant answer calls with it |
| 23:22.33 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 23:22.39 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, Many people now consider the Freerunner to be usable as a phone. |
| 23:22.45 | F4t | kd8ikt, i know, did sean fix the suspend thingy? |
| 23:22.48 | KungFuJesus | what's the average battery life? |
| 23:23.06 | kd8ikt | dunnop |
| 23:23.17 | kd8ikt | my moko is broko |
| 23:23.20 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, I can get 24 hours. Some people report as much as 36. |
| 23:23.30 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: I am buying this phone :) |
| 23:23.37 | KungFuJesus | now I'm sorta excited |
| 23:23.40 | F4t | dave? bricode? does any of you know if the suspend bug in the android image was fixed? |
| 23:23.54 | KungFuJesus | how much is it, still like 600? |
| 23:24.02 | F4t | broko? :D what did you do to it? |
| 23:24.35 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 23:24.36 | Wonka | hrm. is there any type of checksum over the u-boot_env? |
| 23:24.40 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, You might want to look over the postings on the community mailing list first, to get a feeling for the current state of the software. It is a fun fone though. |
| 23:24.42 | kd8ikt | brokomoko |
| 23:24.55 | kd8ikt | i need to flash a new image |
| 23:25.00 | F4t | openborko .. |
| 23:25.03 | Dave | F4t, not to my knowledge, no. |
| 23:25.14 | F4t | Dave, thanks |
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| 23:25.33 | Dave | People are working on it and other things very rapidly so I wouldn't be surprised if shit was resolved in a quick turnaround time. |
| 23:25.40 | Dave | I wish openmoko got this much attention :\ |
| 23:26.04 | F4t | i was wondering, the version sean is working on, and the version koolu/bricode is working on, are they one and the same? or not? |
| 23:26.07 | Dave | jonkristian - how about that fso? :p |
| 23:26.09 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, It is $400 US. |
| 23:26.24 | Dave | Hey Ken :) |
| 23:26.34 | Dave | F4t, they are not quite the same, I don't think so. |
| 23:26.38 | ajuonline | i just installed the ms4 non-illum |
| 23:26.39 | Dave | Though, they *should* be. |
| 23:26.42 | KenYoung | Hi Dave! |
| 23:26.42 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: how is it for typing? |
| 23:26.45 | KungFuJesus | bearable? |
| 23:26.50 | Dave | One submits patches to the other :p |
| 23:27.04 | F4t | Dave, so do they do twice the work? or theres actuall code interchange or something... :-/? |
| 23:27.15 | F4t | ah ok.. sounds good enough :D |
| 23:27.23 | bricode | For the record, I've taken a lot of Sean's patches. |
| 23:27.25 | Dave | no, no :p |
| 23:27.30 | Dave | hahaha |
| 23:27.39 | Dave | Brian, and I was just wondering which way the relationship went... ;) |
| 23:27.47 | F4t | lol |
| 23:27.56 | Dave | hahah |
| 23:27.58 | Dave | >:) |
| 23:28.04 | bricode | Dave: Why recreate the wheel where there are other fires to fight? |
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| 23:28.12 | Dave | Agreed. |
| 23:28.17 | Dave | Speaking of Sean taking it... |
| 23:28.18 | F4t | bricode, Agreed indeed. |
| 23:29.03 | bricode | There's a fair amount of background stuff that's in the images that isn't in the current build system. |
| 23:29.06 | F4t | it amazes me how fast sean managed to fix up almost all the hardware.... |
| 23:29.14 | Dave | haha |
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| 23:29.18 | Dave | he didn't. (ssh) |
| 23:29.30 | F4t | .....? |
| 23:29.31 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, Oooo now you're straying over into the Great Keyboard Debate. I guess that's appropriate, since it's a religious issue. There is no hardware keyboard, of course, and many people take the last two sylables of your name in vain when they yse the default soft keyboard, but there are good keyboards available. However, it will never be as fast as a machine with a hardware keyboard for text, IMHO. |
| 23:29.33 | kd8ikt | dave! Dave! DAVE! |
| 23:29.39 | bricode | And there are things that can be incorporated fairly quickly and easily. |
| 23:29.50 | Dave | YES |
| 23:29.57 | kd8ikt | scap.linuxtogo |
| 23:30.03 | Dave | What about it? |
| 23:30.07 | kd8ikt | i saw it |
| 23:30.10 | Dave | heh |
| 23:30.11 | bricode | ie: GSM buzz ATDT command, better audio settings etc. |
| 23:30.12 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: that's ok. So does a bluetooth keyboard work with it? |
| 23:30.12 | Dave | Who did it? |
| 23:30.21 | Dave | One of you fanboys earlier, I believe. :) |
| 23:30.21 | kd8ikt | i though you did |
| 23:30.26 | Dave | No. |
| 23:30.28 | Dave | Someone here did it. |
| 23:30.35 | Dave | and was like, hey everyone, Dave's on scap! |
| 23:30.36 | bricode | BT keyboard? |
| 23:30.40 | F4t | KungFuJesus, a bluetooth mouse worked for me, so a keyboard will probably work too |
| 23:30.41 | kd8ikt | oh shit thats even funnier |
| 23:30.42 | Dave | then an hour later I was like, wtf? :p |
| 23:30.45 | Dave | I know |
| 23:30.48 | Dave | I'm famous! |
| 23:31.00 | Dave | Well, I already was, but now it's pure celebrity. |
| 23:31.05 | Dave | haw |
| 23:31.06 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, I think so, but I've never tried it myself. If that's important to you, I'd do some research on the wiki pages before buying one. |
| 23:31.13 | KungFuJesus | hmm, maybe I'll get a tiny keyboard for it. I dunno, I text a lot, but as long as it's not incredibly annoying I'll live |
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| 23:31.55 | KungFuJesus | What's the iphone battery life, just for comparison |
| 23:31.57 | F4t | the screenshot on the bottom right, is that new zhone?? |
| 23:32.09 | KungFuJesus | I don't want the iPHone, I don't want AT&T or Apple's wonkiness |
| 23:32.37 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, There are soft keyboards available which have modes optimized for SMS, with dictionary correction, and modes for full linux shell usage. |
| 23:32.45 | KungFuJesus | oh and for video, how is it? I heard there were some issues with the SD card bus and the graphics adapter |
| 23:32.46 | Dave | kd8, you don't run 2007 anymore, do you? |
| 23:34.00 | Dave | What was that crazy CIA like image you used as the background? :p |
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| 23:34.30 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, If video is of real importance to you, I'd wait for the next iteration. The video on the current model will *never* be competitive with that of the iPhone et al. It can do QVGA video sorta, kinda, sometimes. |
| 23:34.43 | Dave | heh |
| 23:34.46 | bricode | Dave: That was a pickture of my cardboard box beside the highway in Costa Rica. |
| 23:34.56 | Dave | oh, really? |
| 23:35.00 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.19 | Dave | I always suspected a conspiracy :) |
| 23:35.34 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: when is the new phone coming out? |
| 23:35.46 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, You are right that the main problem is with the graphics chip. It ends up providing graphics DEcelleration. |
| 23:36.28 | KungFuJesus | I may buy a nokia brick to hold me over until then |
| 23:36.43 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, The time table for the next model's release has not been announced (as far as I know). Maybe late Q1 2009? I sure don't know. Not this year, for sure. |
| 23:38.23 | KungFuJesus | that's not that far |
| 23:38.31 | KungFuJesus | I'll save up more money by then, too |
| 23:38.36 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, I've got a G1, and a Freerunner, and the Freerunner is *much* more fun, and there are a lot more aps that can be run on the Freerunner than the G1. However, the hardware of the Freerunner is not state-of-the-art in some respects (USB 1.1, etc). |
| 23:39.15 | F4t | KenYoung, the freerunner can be usb-host :) |
| 23:41.05 | KenYoung | F4t, That's a good point - sorry I didn't mention it to KungFuJesus. The Freerunner is *infinitely * better than other existing phones if you are a hacker/hobbyist. |
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| 23:42.25 | Dave | KenYoung, I may have more orrery commentary soon :) |
| 23:42.31 | Kensan | KenYoung: GTA03 in Q1 09? That would be very optimistic imho. |
| 23:42.35 | Dave | I think your best feature as of late was the introduction of the arrow panning. |
| 23:42.43 | KenYoung | Dave, GREAT! |
| 23:42.43 | Dave | It's simple, sweet, and intuitive. |
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| 23:43.01 | Dave | The zooming is what I've wanted for a while, and I think the trace algorithm used is cute. |
| 23:43.11 | KenYoung | Dave, I mean, great that you'll have some comments for me soon. |
| 23:43.21 | Dave | Though the whole zooming may not be ideal to me, it's certainly a great functionaity to have. |
| 23:43.26 | Dave | Ken, yes :) |
| 23:43.32 | Dave | I also may wish for more color :] |
| 23:43.44 | Dave | As I think that's one thing orrery could benefit from. |
| 23:44.03 | Dave | I'll try to formulate clear ideas and suggestions from my vague recollections of user experience. |
| 23:44.39 | Dave | I've been immersed in hardware modifications as of late, so these past few evenings I've taken ten or twenty minutes when I can spare and played around with it :) |
| 23:45.16 | Dave | One issue which is more of a good thing than bad, is that you can so many overall options and configurables, but little real estate to display or offer them in :D |
| 23:45.33 | Dave | (hence the several pages of options/toggleables) |
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| 23:46.33 | KenYoung | Well, I'm certainly interested in other ideas about how zooming could be done. I don't think the Freerunner has the horsepower to do the kind of continuous zooming that some phones have, especially because you are not merely expanding a fixed image. The distortion caused by mapping a sphere to a flat surface changes as the zoom is changed, so the coordinates of everything have to be recalculated, and that's quite expensive. |
| 23:47.13 | Dave | yeah |
| 23:47.20 | KenYoung | Circling for zoom seemed to be the most intuitive thing, until we have multitouch hardware. But I may have missed a better solution that you might have. |
| 23:47.29 | Dave | right |
| 23:47.46 | Dave | Well the other night it occurred to me that if you could keep a little state that might be cool |
| 23:47.51 | gurugentoo | ooo, the 11/10 SHR is perty |
| 23:47.55 | Dave | though the freerunner is rather memory intensive as it is |
| 23:47.59 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: I've seen quite a few great project arise in the wiki |
| 23:48.12 | Dave | So the ability to zoom "back," so to speak, to a previous zoom [in]. |
| 23:48.19 | Dave | If you follow my logic there :) |
| 23:48.27 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: This sparked my interest in the first place. Things like friend finding on the GPS, and the ability to throw up an apache server and broadcast the location of the phone if you lose it |
| 23:49.01 | noother | hey, any idea how to get opendoom fast? it works nice on 2008.8 but is extremely slow and studdering in testing. |
| 23:49.18 | Dave | I originally thought it would be cool to just be able to make selections of say, star clusters or constellations (though with the circle zooming implementation, this seems slightly inplausible to additionally implement). |
| 23:49.34 | Dave | Though admittedly, it has little real use, other than for show, I suppose. :| |
| 23:49.41 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, Well, if you feel like writing a little code to do things like that, then the Freerunner is the phone for you. Just don't expect a highly polished software stack, with fast video. |
| 23:49.50 | Dave | I just kind of liked it as a thought, for showing off things in orrery. |
| 23:49.50 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: I just hope the next iteration happens soon, I'm getting anxious. How are they going to solve the SoC issue for the graphics adapter? |
| 23:50.08 | Zorkman | one advice: nobody try to change the theme of fso ms4, you lose the top bar |
| 23:50.21 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, I think they are going with a different SoC. |
| 23:50.22 | Dave | Because especially at night it's hard for a friend to focus on part of the tiny star map, and I wanted to be able to just say, HEY, LOOK AT THE HIGHLIGHTED REGION or LOOK AT THE RED ONE! |
| 23:50.33 | Dave | So your newer map is improved in that sense, I suppose :) |
| 23:50.40 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: I hope so, how is the GPS software on it? |
| 23:52.12 | KenYoung | Dave, I was thinking of adding constellation boundaries, and then have zooming work differently in constellation mode. In constellation mode, zooming would then zoom to show the entire constellation that was circled. Non-constellation mode would work as it does now. |
| 23:52.29 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: I'm willing to code to the best of my ability. I'm not exactly up to speed when it comes to programming low level stuff for embedded systems |
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| 23:53.12 | KenYoung | Dave, What I really need is a longer list of gestures, in addition to circling, panning and tapping, that would be easy to recognise. |
| 23:53.48 | Dave | Yeah, but that sounds not exactly straightforward to implement. |
| 23:53.51 | Zorkman | is there a friendly way to shut down fso? |
| 23:54.13 | Zorkman | press and hold power is a hard shutdown |
| 23:54.39 | KenYoung | KungFuJesus, You don't need to be able to hack really close to bare metal to do things like whip up a new GPS application. THere are daemon processes which will provide you with the GPS coordinates, etc. |
| 23:54.41 | Dave | use the terminal, luke? |
| 23:55.09 | KungFuJesus | cool |
| 23:55.13 | Zorkman | Dave: i changed the theme, and lost the top bar and with it the ability to change it back :P |
| 23:55.23 | Dave | cool |
| 23:55.26 | Dave | restartx? |
| 23:55.36 | Zorkman | nope, it's persistent, even afer reboot :) |
| 23:55.49 | KungFuJesus | KenYoung: heh, I suppose I could design the next iteration around a better SoC |
| 23:55.57 | Zorkman | i'm gonna burn my NAND like it |
| 23:55.59 | Zorkman | 's hot |
| 23:56.00 | KungFuJesus | the hardware platform is afterall, open source |
| 23:56.32 | Dave | :D |
| 23:56.35 | Dave | high-five zorkman |
| 23:58.04 | Zorkman | the flash is on! |
| 23:58.19 | Zorkman | gonna go get some slee, see you all tomorrow |
| 23:58.57 | Dave | bah |
| 23:59.00 | Dave | Fine |
| 23:59.13 | Dave | wait wait |
| 23:59.16 | Dave | before you go, Zorkman |
| 23:59.28 | *** join/#openmoko max_posedon (n=max_pose@80.249.94.216) |
| 23:59.53 | Dave | Buy a pack of these for your girlfriend! http://search.ebay.com/120325136356 |
| 23:59.54 | Dave | :D |
