| 00:01.26 | mokolade | its fast and nice. but do we really want google to know _everything_ about us. our mail, chat, google searches, websites visited, telephone number=full name and address, gps location and so on.... ? :O |
| 00:01.38 | kd8ikt | dont they already? |
| 00:01.59 | mokolade | not if you do not use google stuff |
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| 00:13.16 | Fougner | mokolade, how is that possible? :O |
| 00:14.21 | mokolade | because google is evil :) |
| 00:14.51 | CVirus | I can't live without google services ! |
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| 00:15.14 | CVirus | who can anyways |
| 00:15.16 | CVirus | good night all |
| 00:16.06 | Fougner | hmm |
| 00:16.30 | balrog-k1n | reptiles and smaller mamals poses this capability |
| 00:17.14 | kd8ikt | the ability to irc? |
| 00:17.36 | balrog-k1n | to stay alive even without google services |
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| 00:20.22 | kd8ikt | not possible |
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| 00:23.52 | Fougner | balrog-k1n, lol |
| 00:26.28 | sicu | what is the command for restarting dropbear? |
| 00:26.49 | ronny | yo |
| 00:27.15 | kd8ikt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6WPlljb3Y&NR=1 |
| 00:27.38 | Fougner | "all your base belong to us" |
| 00:27.39 | Fougner | something.. |
| 00:27.43 | Fougner | I don't understand |
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| 00:30.10 | Fougner | rtfm? :P |
| 00:32.34 | ronny | anyone aware of a listing of the hardware issues the frerunner had/still has? |
| 00:33.07 | xcasex_ | ronny sure you want that? |
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| 00:34.06 | ronny | xcasex_: yeah, i's going to be part of a presentation im holding |
| 00:34.13 | xcasex_ | :S |
| 00:34.20 | mwester_ | oh dear |
| 00:34.36 | mwester_ | goes to work with an eraser |
| 00:35.33 | Fougner | mwester, what? :D |
| 00:35.34 | ronny | just listing some boring spec isnt as intresting as telling how stuff evolved, why, what did go wrong and why it did go wrong |
| 00:36.08 | Fougner | haha, why doesn't debian developers have girlfriends? :D |
| 00:36.35 | Fougner | *don't.. right? |
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| 00:37.04 | mwester_ | Yeah, but if you're going to present that, you really should run that past the Om guys -- the community only knows some of the facts. And I've certainly been accused of not presenting them correctly, so I'll excuse myself from this. :D |
| 00:38.10 | ronny | whats the best way to reach them? |
| 00:38.40 | Fougner | pray to god! |
| 00:39.18 | Fougner | "dear God, I want to file a bug report..." |
| 00:39.25 | ronny | thats an impressive openness |
| 00:39.27 | mwester_ | ronny: You'll find some of them here, but since most of them are in Europe, they're asleep at the moment. |
| 00:40.04 | ronny | ok, i suck - im from europe, too, but my sleep-shedule is a real mess |
| 00:40.38 | Mononoke | agrees and adds "me too" |
| 00:41.00 | mwester_ | DocScrutinizer would certainly have some views on that stuff, as would mickey|zzZZzz. But you'll have to investigate some stuff and present your presentation to them; they'll probably not have time to help you assemble or research it. |
| 00:41.15 | mwester_ | I'd start with the mailing list archives -- that would give you a good idea. |
| 00:41.25 | ronny | hmm |
| 00:41.33 | Fougner | I'm from Europe too |
| 00:41.37 | ronny | guess i'll have some pain to dig that together |
| 00:41.52 | Fougner | don't use a shovel |
| 00:42.12 | mwester_ | :D No, nothing is buried very deeply, no need for a shovel. |
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| 00:42.35 | Fougner | humph.. |
| 00:42.56 | mwester_ | Just that there is some disagreement over what is a "hardware problem" and what is firmware, vs software, and I have argued too much about that with DocScrutinizer, I think. :) |
| 00:43.53 | Fougner | mwester, you seem to be a very argueable person ;D |
| 00:46.55 | mwester_ | Fougner: I am. |
| 00:47.22 | Fougner | hehe |
| 00:47.28 | Fougner | 28-hour day xD |
| 00:47.30 | mwester_ | Although my resume says that I posess "strong principles" |
| 00:47.34 | mwester_ | :p |
| 00:47.51 | mwester_ | Fougner: not on this planet. But it would be helpful... |
| 00:48.31 | Fougner | haha, strong principles |
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| 00:51.00 | Fougner | LOL !!!!! Ballmer Peak!!!! |
| 00:51.16 | Fougner | oh shit, it's 01.51 AM.. |
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| 00:51.26 | Fougner | spent my last hours at xkcd.com |
| 00:52.33 | kd8ikt | save some for tomorrow |
| 00:53.03 | kd8ikt | so i installed the base testing image |
| 00:53.14 | kd8ikt | what should i do for phone stuff though? |
| 00:53.19 | Fougner | Exploits of a Mom LOOOOL!!!!!! |
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| 00:56.03 | mwester_ | kd8ikt: not sure I know what you are asking. Which base image? |
| 00:56.21 | mwester_ | (btw, what part of 8-land?) |
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| 00:59.14 | kd8ikt | cinci |
| 00:59.41 | mwester_ | cool. |
| 00:59.52 | kd8ikt | gsm stuff its the daily testing asu images |
| 00:59.59 | kd8ikt | the bare bone one |
| 01:00.28 | mwester_ | ASU, ah. Don't know about that one :( I expect there's a matching feed, and you have to install something like qtopia-x11-dailer |
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| 01:06.23 | Fougner | LOL http://xkcd.com/356/ |
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| 01:07.36 | Fougner | oh, I really need some sleep.. |
| 01:07.41 | Fougner | it's 2 AM |
| 01:07.51 | Fougner | xkcd.com... my new love ^^ |
| 01:08.03 | Fougner | goodnight to all of you ! :P |
| 01:09.06 | mokolade | yihha! I'm booting Android, Debian, FDOM and FSO with a single microSD card (android in flash memory) <:P |
| 01:09.29 | Ainulindale | And SHR? :-) |
| 01:09.39 | mokolade | thats next ;) |
| 01:10.24 | mokolade | it was much more easy to make a lot of partition for different distros than swapping SD cards :) |
| 01:11.08 | mokolade | but are using the same kernel on all but android |
| 01:12.31 | kd8ikt | i need a huge microsd card |
| 01:13.45 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: they are easily available. |
| 01:13.50 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: they are called SD cards. |
| 01:14.39 | kd8ikt | heh asshole |
| 01:14.52 | SpeedEvil | Are 16s out? |
| 01:16.10 | Fougner | kd8ikt, pwned ^^ |
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| 03:26.21 | slaxxin | if the .summary file is the same as tjhe .jffs2 file why is there 3 megs difference? |
| 03:26.25 | slaxxin | shr |
| 03:27.46 | rooly | i think one has something like a filetable included |
| 03:27.56 | rooly | so it boots faster on the first round |
| 03:27.59 | Ainulindale | Be wary I'm regenerating the image |
| 03:28.13 | slaxxin | ahhh |
| 03:28.23 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.04 | slaxxin | Ainulindale does that mean a newer image is about to be avaliable? |
| 03:30.10 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 03:30.13 | Ainulindale | Only one change |
| 03:30.15 | Ainulindale | I added midori |
| 03:30.21 | slaxxin | good |
| 03:30.33 | Ainulindale | You should be able to opkg update; opkg install midori; opkg upgrade |
| 03:30.38 | Ainulindale | (upgrade because I changed the theme) |
| 03:30.51 | slaxxin | ok |
| 03:31.15 | slaxxin | phone an gps working well though? |
| 03:31.23 | Ainulindale | Yep |
| 03:31.28 | slaxxin | yay |
| 03:31.29 | Ainulindale | Be wary though of two issues |
| 03:31.38 | slaxxin | what? |
| 03:31.42 | Ainulindale | There's a known bug of kernel|frameworkd (don't know which) |
| 03:31.57 | Ainulindale | If you boot with the USB plugged in it'll suspend with no way to resume |
| 03:32.00 | Ainulindale | Just unplug the USB at boot |
| 03:32.05 | slaxxin | ok |
| 03:32.05 | Ainulindale | And the second one is |
| 03:32.21 | Ainulindale | phone related apps may crash at boot if frameworkd is still settling |
| 03:32.28 | Ainulindale | We still didn't handle a graceful failure |
| 03:32.29 | slaxxin | ok |
| 03:32.45 | Ainulindale | So just wait for the PIN dialog |
| 03:32.48 | Ainulindale | If you don't have a PIN |
| 03:32.50 | Ainulindale | Then wait :-) |
| 03:33.26 | slaxxin | i had fdom |
| 03:33.44 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.31 | Ainulindale | Well for my part I'm going to sleep |
| 03:34.34 | Ainulindale | See you |
| 03:35.24 | slaxxin | thanks |
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| 03:37.56 | slaxxin | http://www.accurateit.com/details.asp?iid=1379 |
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| 03:46.28 | slaxxin | very nice |
| 03:50.52 | slaxxin | i like |
| 03:52.30 | KenYoung | Does anyone know if the lack of an "official" 2008.10 release means that as part of the back-to-basics strategy, there will be no further official 2008.x releases? |
| 03:53.10 | slaxxin | im thinking that |
| 03:53.25 | slaxxin | its going towards shr as far as i know |
| 03:53.48 | slaxxin | i just installed shr an it looks very good |
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| 03:54.06 | KenYoung | slaxxin, Oh - I didn;t know that was the distribution they were concentrating on. |
| 03:54.28 | slaxxin | well i could be wrong |
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| 03:57.07 | gurugentoo | slaxxin: is there a missed call function in the new version by chance? |
| 03:57.21 | slaxxin | of? |
| 03:57.28 | slaxxin | shr? |
| 03:57.41 | gurugentoo | yes |
| 03:58.07 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.12 | slaxxin | oo |
| 03:58.16 | slaxxin | hold on |
| 03:58.41 | gurugentoo | they just disappear on mine and I can't tell who called |
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| 04:00.19 | slaxxin | guess not |
| 04:04.45 | gurugentoo | slaxxin: o well |
| 04:09.20 | slaxxin | i see rooly |
| 04:11.58 | rooly|away | what |
| 04:13.00 | slaxxin | at the gulf |
| 04:13.07 | slaxxin | tango |
| 04:13.10 | rooly|away | oh |
| 04:13.12 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 04:13.20 | rooly|away | 's me |
| 04:13.26 | rooly|away | i was the first person in louisiana with one |
| 04:13.44 | slaxxin | yea im bain in fayettville arkansas |
| 04:14.08 | rooly|away | are you traditional bible belt? |
| 04:15.10 | slaxxin | i bevieve god exist but not nessecerily in a babtist church |
| 04:15.15 | rooly|away | lol |
| 04:15.20 | rooly|away | okay, we can be friends |
| 04:15.38 | rooly|away | as long as your not male shovenist and have 13 kids, we can be friends |
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| 04:17.18 | slaxxin | lolol |
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| 04:28.15 | slaxxin | so the aux button is resume? |
| 04:29.09 | rooly|away | on what |
| 04:29.17 | rooly|away | no, the power button resumes |
| 04:29.19 | slaxxin | shr |
| 04:29.44 | slaxxin | hmmm |
| 04:30.18 | rooly|away | sorry |
| 04:30.21 | rooly|away | i don't know about shr |
| 04:30.43 | slaxxin | might not be |
| 04:30.48 | rooly|away | but iirc, the power button is the only thing with access to things like the pmu |
| 04:50.38 | slaxxin | i deleted everything on the sdcard via shr's file manager |
| 04:50.52 | slaxxin | which worked very well |
| 04:51.12 | rooly|away | does suspending wipe out even vfat filesystems? |
| 04:51.36 | mwester | ? |
| 04:51.52 | rooly|away | i've had my filesystems wiped out on the sdcard several times now |
| 04:51.58 | mwester | you mean suspending as in suspend/resume? |
| 04:52.01 | rooly|away | but it's only been the linux fs |
| 04:52.01 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 04:52.09 | rooly|away | vfat seems to stay intact |
| 04:52.12 | mwester | The answer is no, it should never do that. |
| 04:52.18 | mwester | If it does, there's a bug. |
| 04:52.20 | rooly|away | but it does |
| 04:52.28 | rooly|away | iirc, it's a confirmed bug |
| 04:52.32 | mwester | Try a newer kernel |
| 04:52.48 | mwester | one such bug was fixed - but quite some time ago. |
| 04:52.48 | rooly|away | i'm using the qtopia-distributed kernel |
| 04:53.28 | mwester | There are several different ones that have been associated with qtopia and qt extended. |
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| 04:53.49 | rooly|away | the qt4.4.2 extended |
| 04:54.15 | mwester | It points you to another site to get a kernel, right? |
| 04:54.53 | mwester | what's the output from "cat /proc/version" |
| 04:55.12 | slaxxin | does it not come in a .tgz file with the correct kernel? |
| 04:55.41 | mwester | Not qtopia nor qt extended. |
| 04:55.49 | mwester | If they contain a kernel, it would be very old. |
| 04:56.01 | mwester | That's why the qt extended site points you elsewhere to get a kernel. |
| 04:56.58 | mwester | But even so, IIRC the rootfs for qt extended has the "magic" commands to work around the broken kernels at suspend/resume, so you should never have corrupted fs. |
| 04:57.21 | rooly|away | hmm |
| 04:57.36 | rooly|away | they contain the "mwester's kernel" |
| 04:57.36 | mwester | If you can reproduce a filesystem corruption, it would be a new problem, and should be reported. |
| 04:57.46 | rooly|away | probably from an old kernel |
| 04:57.57 | rooly|away | i figured the one distributed was the latest one |
| 04:58.16 | mwester | rooly|away: that's why I ask -- I know what's in those kernels, that's why I'm thinking that this is a new problem and should be reported. |
| 04:58.26 | rooly|away | lemme go get my phone |
| 04:58.51 | mwester | It might be the SD card timing or something like that. |
| 04:59.54 | rooly|away | okay |
| 04:59.57 | rooly|away | here's the output |
| 05:01.06 | rooly|away | linux version 2.6.24 mwester@mwester-stable.246698ff32d26f1d gcc version 4.1.2 ##4 preempt sun aug 3 2008 |
| 05:01.31 | mwester | ick |
| 05:01.48 | rooly|away | distributed with the qtopia flash images |
| 05:01.49 | slaxxin | 3 months |
| 05:02.14 | mwester | rooly|away: at one time, anyway. |
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| 05:03.20 | mwester | Anyway, try an updated kernel. The latest stable for GTA02 @ http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels |
| 05:03.32 | mwester | The good news is that might fix it. |
| 05:03.59 | mwester | If not, at least it's up to date, and the bug report will be less likely to be closed by the kernel guys. |
| 05:04.11 | mwester | What type and size of SD card? |
| 05:04.18 | rooly|away | sandisk 8gig |
| 05:04.34 | slaxxin | oooo |
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| 05:04.58 | rooly|away | it's been stable all along, but it only started messing up when i attempted to dual-boot |
| 05:05.00 | mwester | hehe! what slaxxin said. |
| 05:05.14 | rooly|away | it wiped out the second and 3rd partitions |
| 05:05.30 | rooly|away | but kept the first 7-meg vfat fs |
| 05:05.30 | mwester | sandisk is good, but there have been some troubles reported with the larger SD cards. |
| 05:05.49 | rooly|away | i've never had problems with it as long as i kept it vfat |
| 05:06.45 | mwester | I think vfat is simpler, so less likely to get corrupted. But you should be able to expect that any filesystem you put on the card will survive suspend/resume. |
| 05:07.02 | rooly|away | i realize that. |
| 05:07.30 | rooly|away | i also am not a very picky or upset-able person so bugs in alpha/beta software...don't bother me |
| 05:07.40 | rooly|away | hard to believe, i know |
| 05:08.00 | mwester | Well, that's good -- but it would annoy me if a bug kept wiping out filesystems. That's a bad problem, IMO. |
| 05:09.08 | mwester | wonders if the toy budget would accomodate the purchase of an 8Gb uSD card. |
| 05:09.08 | rooly|away | btw, i think i have found a point where wsod is caused |
| 05:09.10 | cjb_ie | vfat is less likely to get corrupted - or just less likely to notice it? |
| 05:09.18 | rooly|away | mwester, 40 bucks |
| 05:09.22 | rooly|away | maybe less |
| 05:09.38 | mwester | cjb_ie: less likely -- there's no journal to play back when it's mounted. |
| 05:09.53 | rooly|away | what about ext2 |
| 05:09.57 | rooly|away | that's not journaled is it |
| 05:10.05 | mwester | So technically, ext2 would be similar to vfat in that regard. |
| 05:10.13 | rooly|away | ext2 corrupts tho |
| 05:10.23 | mwester | Hmm.\ |
| 05:10.35 | rooly|away | but i lie, that's not true |
| 05:10.45 | rooly|away | ext2 doesn't corrupt |
| 05:10.57 | rooly|away | the partition table corrupts |
| 05:11.08 | cjb_ie | ah, so if the journal is corrupt that leads to widespread fs corruption |
| 05:11.21 | mwester | cjb_ie: yes, that's it exactly. |
| 05:11.52 | rooly|away | so i guess...seeing no partition table, it just reads the devices as normal, sees a standard vfat fs and goes from there |
| 05:12.07 | cjb_ie | it's a bit astonishing there isn't some kind of consistency check on the journal before it's replayed |
| 05:12.23 | rooly|away | the fs's don't corrupt mind you |
| 05:12.26 | rooly|away | just the partition table |
| 05:12.54 | mwester | cjb_ie: There is, I think -- the problem happens most often when the first write occurs immediately after mounting, when the journal contains data. |
| 05:13.16 | mwester | But in this case, rooly|away noted that the partition table gets corrupted, so that's a different problem. |
| 05:13.54 | mwester | The partition table is the first block(s) on disk, and are the ones that got messed up with that earlier kernel bug. |
| 05:15.47 | mwester | suspects rooly|away is testing a newer kernel -- or repairing his SD card again. |
| 05:16.35 | rooly|away | i'll be installing one momentarily |
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| 05:52.18 | rooly|away | my phone is now even a bit faster |
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| 07:49.05 | methril | morning |
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| 07:53.57 | CM_work | Morning :) |
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| 07:58.49 | SpeedEvil | http://depts.washington.edu/aimgroup/proj/dollar/ Does this - stroke recogniser in JS work for anyone? |
| 07:58.53 | SpeedEvil | not for me under ff3 |
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| 08:12.55 | CM_work | SpeedEvil: Doesn't work for me either in FF3 |
| 08:13.29 | CM_work | SpeedEvil: But IE7 works |
| 08:14.00 | CM_work | And the upper right corner does say: "This page has been verified for Internet Explorer only." |
| 08:14.10 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:50.00 | Daramarak | Is there any updates that might fix my suspend-resume problems in 2008.9? |
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| 12:57.00 | Dave | I has returned. |
| 12:57.16 | igor321 | you has? |
| 12:59.31 | ronny | just his kitteh |
| 12:59.47 | igor321 | and his bukkit |
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| 13:15.28 | igor321 | there are new android images, with improved graphics! |
| 13:15.43 | igor321 | if someone doesn't know |
| 13:16.49 | XorA | wants android on his kaiser |
| 13:18.05 | Dave | Kaiser? |
| 13:18.14 | alphaone | what's android? |
| 13:18.16 | Dave | You makin' a sandwich over there, Xora? |
| 13:18.43 | XorA | Dave: HTC Kaiser, my phone :-) |
| 13:19.40 | igor321 | if only he were making a sandwich |
| 13:20.49 | Dave | Ah :p |
| 13:20.56 | Dave | igor, yes! |
| 13:21.14 | Dave | see, all this food talk must have made methril hungry :p |
| 13:22.36 | Kensan | Good day Mr. Dave |
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| 13:25.47 | Dave | Hallo Kensan. |
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| 13:44.37 | jonkristian | what's cooking |
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| 14:00.21 | Zorkman | where is lpotteR? |
| 14:00.29 | Zorkman | anybody know why he doesn't show op lately? |
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| 14:01.09 | pb__ | well, it's the middle of the night for him at the moment. |
| 14:01.17 | pb__ | maybe you're just looking for him at the wrong times. |
| 14:01.38 | Zorkman | yeah, but it's been a week, and i sporadically check irc and never find him in here, while he almost always used to be here |
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| 14:02.24 | XorA | I beleive he has kids, kids can do that to people :-) |
| 14:02.45 | pb__ | yeah, I think he does. several, I gather. |
| 14:03.05 | Zorkman | i'll check back when his kids are on summercamp :) |
| 14:03.08 | pb__ | heh |
| 14:03.34 | shyam_k | hi i was just starting with the qemu emulation of openmoko. Was doing everything as per http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu and as i does make run-qemu , the uboot boot menu comes. But as i try to boot, it comes back to the bootmenu itself. whats that i am missing? |
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| 14:04.04 | shyam_k | isn't supposed to show me the gui of openmoko? |
| 14:04.05 | shyam_k | :) |
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| 14:04.38 | shyam_k | it says "loading kernel image.." and shows the openmoko logo and goes back to the boot menu.. |
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| 14:10.40 | Kensan | Zorkman: I am pretty confident he reads email though... |
| 14:11.17 | Zorkman | Kensan: it's also been a week since i've seen a post from him on the mailinglist |
| 14:11.40 | Zorkman | and about all the problems with qt ext 4.4.2 i've only seen him respond to the problem with the mwester kernel |
| 14:11.49 | Zorkman | so i thought he might be on a hollliday or something |
| 14:12.17 | Zorkman | (nothing about broken bluetooth, terminal, no ring on incomming call or sms, no wake from usb with alarm clock....) |
| 14:12.58 | Zorkman | i'm wondering if there will be new image soon (I know hypnotise has made one that fixes a lot of these things) |
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| 14:33.33 | Bish | hello guys, is there a away to put the ar6000 into the monitor mode? |
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| 14:33.56 | Nobody96 | moin |
| 14:34.05 | Bish | moin Nobody96 |
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| 14:43.05 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r929c78f2e83f 10/setup.py: move theme file to proper location |
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| 14:46.11 | balrog-k1n | Bish: publically known, nope |
| 14:46.37 | Bish | hm, sad day |
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| 15:07.26 | bentob0x | what other os can you install on the freerunner? |
| 15:07.31 | bentob0x | I know about android |
| 15:07.51 | bentob0x | but was there any other os installed on that phone? |
| 15:07.52 | zash | bentob0x: check the distributions page on the wiki |
| 15:07.59 | zash | fgs |
| 15:08.00 | bentob0x | d'oh |
| 15:08.04 | bentob0x | :D |
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| 15:08.35 | bentob0x | thx zash |
| 15:12.12 | bentob0x | where can I find the openmoko software architecture? |
| 15:12.15 | bentob0x | (only j/k) |
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| 15:17.39 | zash | bentob0x: ? |
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| 15:20.05 | zash | bentob0x: something like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Toolkits_.2F_Runtimes ? |
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| 15:24.44 | bentob0x | no it was a joke zash |
| 15:24.49 | bentob0x | after your 'fgs' |
| 15:25.03 | bentob0x | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:OpenmokoFramework08.png |
| 15:26.03 | zash | my 'fgs' was about android |
| 15:26.04 | zash | i hate it |
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| 15:30.46 | bentob0x | hehe k, I thought that you were 'fgs' for me asking an 'obvious' question without searching through the wiki first |
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| 15:31.19 | bentob0x | well, i'm happy debian runs on it |
| 15:31.23 | zash | ppl say that the wiki is an outdated mess |
| 15:31.38 | bentob0x | well, ppl can help edit the wiki don't they? |
| 15:31.45 | bentob0x | that's the idea of a wiki ... |
| 15:31.46 | zash | yes, they can |
| 15:31.52 | bentob0x | there you go |
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| 15:32.06 | bentob0x | easier to criticise than help fixing it |
| 15:32.47 | zash | it is |
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| 15:39.52 | slaxxin | i tried to add some stuff about the 71234g sim from at&t but someone erased it then after they figured out what i was saying was right they put it back in 2 months later,, thats why we need a community Questions An Answers for newbs like me can go to for quick STRAIGHT-up answers |
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| 16:09.17 | Daramarak | Is there anyway to read out the battery capacity while charging? |
| 16:12.21 | Richy | Daramarak, Not sure, but try "cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/capacity" |
| 16:13.23 | Richy | I guess 100 means 100% full ;) |
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| 16:15.54 | Daramarak | Yeah it works. Not very quick with a stylus and a touchpanel. But ill write a script :) |
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| 16:45.24 | q0b_ | if my suspend takes longer than 10-30 minutes .. the resume will end up in an white display .. (on om2008/9 and on fs ms3) is this a known issue? or could it be sth else? |
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| 16:47.15 | Daramarak | It is a known issue http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 |
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| 16:51.26 | Ainulindale | Does anybody use mofi here? |
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| 16:53.27 | sicu | q0b_: yes, definately a known issue, and there are ppl in here (mwester) desperate to get their hands on a FR showing thosesymptoms, so look out ;p |
| 16:54.23 | q0b_ | sicu: ;) |
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| 17:00.02 | mwester | locates q0b_ 's address, and dispatches a swat team to "liberate" his FR. |
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| 17:02.38 | Kensan | mwester: I didn't have much time to fiddle around with the debugboard over the weekend but I compared my uboot env with yours and the serial console still gives me crap. |
| 17:05.56 | q0b_ | ;)) |
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| 17:56.22 | Daramarak | Is it possible to create submenues from the main panel in 2008.9? |
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| 18:04.00 | slaxxin | it seems that the fdom people did it |
| 18:04.42 | viq | The launch a separate program that displays another menu |
| 18:05.06 | Daramarak | ok? |
| 18:06.33 | Daramarak | viq: do you know the name of the program? |
| 18:06.40 | viq | nope |
| 18:08.31 | Dave | moo |
| 18:09.36 | Daramarak | It is hard to know if Dave is talking about the fdom program, or if he always sounds like that :) |
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| 18:10.38 | Fougner | =D |
| 18:13.14 | bricode | Anyone familiar with the ONKEY messages that the PMU unit spits out? |
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| 18:14.29 | henk | hi |
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| 18:22.35 | slaxxin | would a bad sdcard cause zhone fail to connect to dbus? |
| 18:22.57 | slaxxin | hi |
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| 18:26.04 | slaxxin | i changed my sdcard an now it works |
| 18:26.25 | laen | What currently gives a better Xglamo performance? SDcard, or the fr itself (NAND?)? |
| 18:26.42 | laen | In terms of.. for example, watching a small video with mplayer. |
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| 18:28.58 | henk | i am getting an error when flashing the rootfs: download error -84. what does that mean? |
| 18:32.19 | Daramarak | I have trouble installing lint-wifi I get a okpg: invalid magic. I do not like dabbling with invalid magic, can anyone show me some real magic? |
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| 18:57.54 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r2428ff1029bd 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): ogsmd: Adjust timeout values for GetAuthStatus and SmsSendMessage |
| 18:59.19 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r96fc9738e29f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
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| 19:00.44 | Dave | laen! |
| 19:02.12 | toggles_w | Dave: get badk to work on my android keyboard |
| 19:02.33 | duffolonious | is freesmartphone.org meant to replace openmoko? |
| 19:02.44 | toggles_w | two different entities |
| 19:02.56 | zash | duffolonious: no, more like, complement |
| 19:03.00 | toggles_w | moko = hardware, fso = phone stack |
| 19:03.23 | duffolonious | ok |
| 19:03.33 | toggles_w | Dave = android |
| 19:03.38 | Dave | o_O |
| 19:03.43 | toggles_w | ~_~ |
| 19:03.44 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 19:03.48 | Dave | -_-; |
| 19:03.54 | toggles_w | *_* |
| 19:04.54 | zash | ~fish Dave |
| 19:04.54 | apt | ACTION slaps Dave around with a large trout |
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| 19:06.15 | Ainulindale | Dave: Hey |
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| 19:06.18 | Ainulindale | Did you try latest SHR? |
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| 19:08.30 | Dave | Howdy! |
| 19:08.41 | Dave | Ainulindale, not yet, but I'm talkin to sicu about it at the moment :) |
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| 19:09.14 | Dave | It better not leak as bad as its predecessors. :| |
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| 19:09.56 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 19:10.01 | Ainulindale | Dave: Leak? |
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| 19:14.12 | jonkristian | new shr? |
| 19:15.41 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: A bit new, yes |
| 19:15.54 | sicu | jonkristian: no release yet, but yes, there are frequently new testing ones |
| 19:16.11 | jonkristian | ok |
| 19:16.15 | jonkristian | haven't tried shr yet |
| 19:16.35 | jonkristian | been using 2008.9, qte, android. |
| 19:19.14 | sicu | can you really call it 'using' android yet ? |
| 19:19.24 | sicu | or have you made your own keyb ? |
| 19:20.49 | Dave | jonkristian ;p |
| 19:20.58 | Dave | Ainu, yes, LEAK |
| 19:21.11 | BluesLee | jonkristian: tried new images of sean? whats new in it? |
| 19:21.35 | jonkristian | sicu: ok, i've been testing, i guess you can't call anything using yet |
| 19:22.04 | jonkristian | BluesLee: nope, been testing qte ;) |
| 19:22.16 | jonkristian | DAVE! |
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| 19:22.42 | Dave | ja :D |
| 19:23.02 | jonkristian | :D |
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| 19:23.26 | jonkristian | BluesLee: new images? |
| 19:23.40 | jonkristian | BluesLee: you are talking about 20081104 , right? |
| 19:23.42 | Dave | SEKRET KERNELZ |
| 19:23.57 | BluesLee | jonkristian: android 10.11.08 |
| 19:24.03 | Dave | Toggles, also sekret keyboardz :p |
| 19:24.03 | jonkristian | omG!!! |
| 19:24.14 | jonkristian | Where, plz |
| 19:24.20 | Dave | hehe |
| 19:24.39 | BluesLee | same palast |
| 19:25.07 | jonkristian | uhm, wt? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android#Updates |
| 19:25.17 | BluesLee | seans place |
| 19:25.26 | jonkristian | ah |
| 19:25.32 | jonkristian | but hey wait a minute |
| 19:25.44 | jonkristian | no changelog? that's old-school, isn't it? |
| 19:25.52 | BluesLee | i dont know |
| 19:26.00 | BluesLee | try it and tell me more |
| 19:26.03 | BluesLee | ;-) |
| 19:26.09 | jonkristian | haha, noo |
| 19:26.11 | jonkristian | u try |
| 19:26.17 | Dave | fight fight fight fight! |
| 19:26.18 | jonkristian | i'll do it the next time |
| 19:26.37 | BluesLee | i am doing serious stuff with my juggling balls, getting the millet out of it |
| 19:26.54 | jonkristian | smacks Dave's forehead with a sausage |
| 19:27.01 | Dave | :O |
| 19:27.05 | BluesLee | with one hand |
| 19:27.12 | Dave | jonkkuk! |
| 19:27.15 | Dave | :X |
| 19:27.28 | vivijim | hi guys, what do you use to read sim card data? is there a lib for that? |
| 19:27.30 | jonkristian | Dave: hawhawhaw, very funny |
| 19:27.59 | jonkristian | argh, now i have to backup my l33t qte settings/content. |
| 19:28.15 | Dave | throws kubæsj at sicu |
| 19:28.48 | fredrin1 | kubæsj faktisk, moooooooooooko |
| 19:28.54 | Dave | :D:D:D |
| 19:29.24 | jonkristian | folkens |
| 19:29.50 | jonkristian | oppfør dokk som folk! |
| 19:30.51 | sicu | somehow isn't as amused by openmoocow anymore |
| 19:30.51 | fredrin1 | :) |
| 19:30.52 | sicu | having kubæsj thrown in your general direction does something to a person |
| 19:31.02 | Dave | sicu =[ |
| 19:31.05 | Dave | hahaha |
| 19:31.07 | Dave | >:) |
| 19:31.10 | sicu | =] |
| 19:31.18 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r02c1d33689d3 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Make GetMessagebookInfo return integers (thanks quickdev!) |
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| 19:31.41 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rbdea4c4ef1f0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
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| 19:31.57 | fredrin1 | is this the new android kernel and image http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/uImage-android ? |
| 19:32.08 | jonkristian | yesh |
| 19:32.13 | Dave | haha sean mcneil |
| 19:32.17 | jonkristian | plz test and report back |
| 19:32.26 | Dave | Yes, report back to jonkristian! |
| 19:32.38 | Dave | So then he can install it :P |
| 19:32.45 | jonkristian | Yesh |
| 19:33.43 | fredrin1 | I read about a funny bug in android today, when you type commands in a sms, the get executed with root privs, lol |
| 19:34.57 | Dave | o_o |
| 19:35.01 | Dave | OMG EXPLOITZ!!1111 |
| 19:35.17 | jonkristian | I didn't think you could type anything with android on fr |
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| 19:38.31 | fredrin1 | jonkristian: it's the from HTC phone |
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| 19:39.16 | jonkristian | i see |
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| 19:39.50 | Fougner | HEEEEEEEELLOOOOOOOOO! :D |
| 19:39.55 | Fougner | Dave, you're crazy |
| 19:39.55 | Dave | OH. NO. |
| 19:40.00 | prosoft | bricode: Your Around? |
| 19:40.02 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 19:40.02 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 19:40.02 | Fougner | yeeees |
| 19:40.06 | Dave | Fucking fougner :p |
| 19:40.15 | Fougner | you want to? ^^ |
| 19:40.19 | Dave | Return to the place from whence you come! |
| 19:40.55 | Fougner | you mama! |
| 19:40.58 | Fougner | your* |
| 19:40.58 | Fougner | ;D |
| 19:41.04 | jonkristian | me mame |
| 19:41.09 | jonkristian | ma memi |
| 19:41.30 | Dave | javisst... ¬_¬ |
| 19:41.35 | bricode | prosoft: Yep. |
| 19:42.02 | Fougner | Dave I LOVE YOU! |
| 19:42.04 | Ainulindale | Dave: would you care to explain what you're qualifying of leak? |
| 19:42.05 | Dave | O_O |
| 19:42.09 | fredrin1 | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1207 |
| 19:42.16 | fredrin1 | ^- - the bug |
| 19:42.43 | Dave | Ainulindale, for example, on 2007, I need to reboot the phone roughly once every 24hr because of terrible memory leaks. |
| 19:42.46 | prosoft | bricode: I'm in Wisconsin, so if there's anything that I could download to help you out.. now's my chance :D |
| 19:43.14 | Dave | and after four days or so running straight, the system holds up, because, presumably it runs out of memory or some such. |
| 19:43.23 | Dave | it just doesn't respond anymore. |
| 19:43.35 | Dave | I've found this to be the case, in varying degrees, across all the distros so far. |
| 19:43.49 | Dave | Though of course we know what the worst offenders were (of 2007) ;) |
| 19:44.08 | Ainulindale | Dave: What this has to do with SHR? |
| 19:44.29 | Dave | A lot, though not necessarily directly. |
| 19:44.29 | bricode | prosoft: Well, if you want to play around with Android, Sean has some images posted at http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 19:44.47 | Dave | brian, do you and sean get along? |
| 19:44.50 | Ainulindale | A week running, my phone is still responsive, Dave |
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| 19:45.00 | Ainulindale | I think you should actually test stuff before having opinion about it |
| 19:45.03 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: shr? |
| 19:45.12 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: What? |
| 19:45.18 | jonkristian | Running shr? |
| 19:45.19 | Dave | Ainu, I wasn't trash-talking SHR, moreover, I wasn't even referring to it specifically. |
| 19:45.23 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: Indeed |
| 19:45.26 | fredrin1 | Sean should make a torrent |
| 19:45.29 | Ainulindale | Dave: Yes you did =) |
| 19:45.31 | fredrin1 | of the android image |
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| 19:46.01 | Dave | Well that's very encouraging to hear, Ainu. |
| 19:46.06 | Dave | In fact, let me flash it right now! |
| 19:46.17 | Dave | Then maybe I can actually pester you about real issues on it :P |
| 19:46.26 | Ainulindale | Wait until I regenerate it then |
| 19:46.35 | sicu | cover your eyes kids ... dave's flashing |
| 19:46.36 | Ainulindale | I just included modfi |
| 19:46.40 | Ainulindale | -d |
| 19:46.49 | Dave | oh really? |
| 19:46.52 | Dave | sicu :P |
| 19:46.53 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: can you point to the latest when ur done |
| 19:46.53 | Ainulindale | And I built a lite image for people like me not wanting useless stuff |
| 19:47.01 | Dave | Cool! |
| 19:47.01 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: it'll be on shr.bearstech.com |
| 19:47.09 | Ainulindale | It's not "officially" released yet |
| 19:47.09 | jonkristian | ok |
| 19:47.15 | Ainulindale | We don't consider it stable enough regarding our goals |
| 19:47.25 | Ainulindale | (In fact we lack a graceful failure feature) |
| 19:47.32 | Dave | Yeah, I like to have a freerunner with EVERYTHING on it, to show off to people or play around with, but then I prefer my development phone with nearly nothing on it, and use it as a daily use phone sometimes too. |
| 19:47.38 | jonkristian | it can boot from sd, right? |
| 19:47.43 | Dave | s/phone/freerunner/g |
| 19:47.55 | Dave | apt: Quiet you! |
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| 19:52.17 | Ainulindale | Currently regenerating midori.. |
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| 19:52.32 | bricode | Dave: We've been in touch. |
| 19:54.05 | quickdev | Ainulindale, could you regenerate frameworkd again please? |
| 19:54.45 | Ainulindale | Yes, waita minute |
| 19:54.52 | Ainulindale | I just borked the midori bb recipe |
| 19:55.11 | Ainulindale | (the one I did) |
| 19:55.23 | Dave | heh |
| 19:56.10 | jonkristian | Dave: what'cha running now? |
| 19:56.22 | Dave | On the freerunner? |
| 19:56.26 | jonkristian | yeh |
| 19:56.39 | Fougner | I think I want to try out Android after all :D |
| 19:56.39 | Dave | 2007 is still my main distro :D |
| 19:56.50 | Dave | installs DR-DOS on Fougner |
| 19:56.56 | Fougner | WHAAAAAAAT? |
| 19:57.03 | Fougner | what's DR-DOS? |
| 19:57.11 | Fougner | I want DSL! |
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| 19:57.23 | jonkristian | Dave: so you boot that off of sd, or what? |
| 19:57.57 | Dave | nope |
| 19:58.11 | sicu | haha, DR-DOS is back !!! |
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| 19:58.34 | Dave | /o\ |
| 19:59.08 | quickdev | Ainulindale, I committed libframeworkd-phonegui, libframeworkd-phonegui-efl and ophonekitd |
| 19:59.12 | Fougner | \o/ |
| 19:59.21 | Ainulindale | Which are the changes? |
| 19:59.25 | Fougner | what's DR-DOS? |
| 19:59.26 | bricode | Fougner: Building Android right now is pretty painful. |
| 19:59.44 | quickdev | Ainulindale, the full sim message storage dialog |
| 20:00.01 | Dave | hahaha |
| 20:00.17 | Ainulindale | Ok :-) |
| 20:00.47 | Fougner | grrr, Dave what is DR-DOS? |
| 20:00.58 | Dave | Muwahahahahaha |
| 20:01.01 | laen | Freedos thingy. |
| 20:01.07 | toggles_w | digital research dos |
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| 20:01.24 | Fougner | whata? |
| 20:01.28 | Dave | NO |
| 20:01.34 | Fougner | NO? |
| 20:01.43 | laen | Dos clone without an MS licence or something. |
| 20:01.46 | Dave | Annoying, shitty, and aggravating hell :D |
| 20:01.56 | sicu | nah ... it's pure bliss |
| 20:01.56 | Dave | laen, stop helping! :P |
| 20:01.59 | laen | But eehm.. |
| 20:02.04 | laen | DAAAAAAAAAAAAVEEEEEEEEE <3 |
| 20:02.05 | Fougner | ? |
| 20:02.09 | Dave | sicu :O |
| 20:02.20 | laen | I make people leave. |
| 20:02.23 | laen | How are ya? |
| 20:02.26 | Fougner | DAAAAAAAAAVEEEEEEEE is MIIIINEEE <3<3<3 |
| 20:02.27 | laen | And how is Fougner :) |
| 20:02.35 | laen | FOUGNEERRRR <3 |
| 20:02.36 | toggles_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS |
| 20:02.38 | Fougner | oh hi laen ! =D |
| 20:02.42 | Dave | hvordan sier du assrape på Norsk? |
| 20:02.43 | laen | o hai :D |
| 20:02.44 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: Give a heads up when img's are done then:) |
| 20:02.52 | sicu | Dave: skinkerytter |
| 20:02.53 | sicu | ;p |
| 20:02.56 | Dave | :D |
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| 20:03.03 | Dave | That's what Dr Dos is like ;D |
| 20:03.05 | jonkristian | lol |
| 20:03.22 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: I will don't worry |
| 20:03.56 | jonkristian | I don't worry, im just bored |
| 20:04.03 | Dave | Fougner and laen... |
| 20:04.15 | Dave | trekant? :P |
| 20:04.41 | sicu | humptydumptyphysics |
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| 20:04.54 | Dave | :D |
| 20:05.07 | Fougner | Dave, sick |
| 20:05.16 | F4t | hey all, its not exactly moko related, but how do i list supported filesystems that mount can take? |
| 20:05.29 | Fougner | hmm |
| 20:05.43 | Fougner | try list it in fdisk? =P |
| 20:06.22 | F4t | Fougner, im pretty sure not everything there is supported by mount,.... or am i wrong? |
| 20:08.13 | Fougner | F4t, you never know ;) |
| 20:08.33 | Fougner | but you really think mount is the limit? |
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| 20:08.53 | Ainulindale | Ok, fixed midori. |
| 20:08.56 | Fougner | I think you can mount whatever you want, then the filesystem "drivers" are in the kernel or something? |
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| 20:09.07 | Ainulindale | F4t: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 20:09.40 | F4t | Ainulindale, thanks |
| 20:09.44 | Ainulindale | You're welcome |
| 20:10.47 | F4t | fo some reason though iso is missing from that list... ? |
| 20:10.52 | F4t | for* |
| 20:10.58 | davi | I had a OpenMoko Freerunner on my hands today. I do not like it. It looks old. Old design. |
| 20:11.12 | F4t | had? what happened to it? |
| 20:11.28 | davi | I want something that looks as an iPhone but works as an OpenMoko |
| 20:11.47 | jonkristian | yuck! |
| 20:11.55 | Fougner | hehe, iPhone is so glossy |
| 20:11.55 | davi | F4t, it is my co-worker phone |
| 20:12.03 | jonkristian | retro is the new loud |
| 20:12.19 | Fougner | hehe, jonkristian you're right :P |
| 20:12.39 | Fougner | design designed just for design is not design |
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| 20:13.20 | jonkristian | and Steve Jobs >= EVIL |
| 20:13.31 | jonkristian | oops, did i say that out loud |
| 20:13.32 | leinir | just tried out the new android images :) |
| 20:13.33 | Dave | Greater than? |
| 20:13.35 | Dave | :D |
| 20:13.37 | Dave | Leinir, and? |
| 20:13.39 | Fougner | design made for function and simplicity is good |
| 20:13.50 | jonkristian | Dave: or equal to |
| 20:13.51 | Dave | made out of crappy materials = fail |
| 20:13.52 | leinir | They're quite nice, a lot more pleasant to use than the previous one :) |
| 20:14.08 | toggles_w | leinir: suspend? |
| 20:14.13 | leinir | toggles_w: Nope ;) |
| 20:14.21 | Fougner | leinir, you recommend me to try it ? I just want a phone that's easy and stable to call and sms with |
| 20:14.21 | Dave | Leinir, but deep down, you'll always be a qt whore? |
| 20:14.24 | Dave | :) |
| 20:14.24 | toggles_w | leinir: dizzzam.. |
| 20:14.34 | leinir | And also no wifi on mine, and it doesn't seem able to see the contacts on my sim |
| 20:14.43 | Fougner | hehe |
| 20:14.45 | Fougner | good one |
| 20:14.58 | leinir | Fougner: There's a couple of known problems that are showstoppers for that, really :) |
| 20:15.20 | leinir | There's no softkeyboard, and there is no button to answer calls (the G1 has a hardware button for picking up calls) :) |
| 20:15.34 | Fougner | oh god |
| 20:15.38 | Dave | presses leinir's buttons |
| 20:15.45 | leinir | murrs ;) |
| 20:15.47 | Fougner | how am I supposed to call someone then? :o |
| 20:15.59 | bricode | Android + Debian = Heaven? |
| 20:16.02 | leinir | Fougner: You call people by using the dialer app - that much works :) You just can't pick calls up :) |
| 20:16.04 | toggles_w | Fougner: you can call out through the onscreen dialer |
| 20:16.15 | leinir | bricode: android + debian = logic error ;) |
| 20:16.21 | Fougner | leinir, thaaa, but how am I supposed to pick em up? |
| 20:16.26 | leinir | Android is a complete stack :) |
| 20:16.52 | Fougner | Hmm, I want to use my FR as a webserver |
| 20:16.53 | Fougner | :D |
| 20:16.55 | bricode | leinir: That happens to run happily in a chroot environment on it :) |
| 20:16.59 | leinir | Fougner: You can't yet :) |
| 20:17.23 | Fougner | leinir, oh... good.... ^^ |
| 20:17.38 | leinir | Fougner: So no, if you want something which works day-to-day, android isn't it :) |
| 20:18.01 | laen | If you want to use it as a phone, Qtextended. If you want to use it as an OS, Debian. Done! :) |
| 20:18.02 | Ainulindale | (SHR image is currently being generated...) |
| 20:18.13 | jonkristian | sweet |
| 20:18.14 | Dave | Penetrated? o.O |
| 20:18.31 | Ainulindale | Dave: Oh so now you're using your freerunner as a butt plug ? |
| 20:18.36 | Ainulindale | With openmoocow I'm sure |
| 20:18.40 | Dave | hahaha |
| 20:18.41 | Fougner | laen, Qt seems to be very clumsy |
| 20:19.01 | Fougner | for example, write sms xD |
| 20:19.07 | Dave | That might explain sicu's sudden dislike of openmoocow... |
| 20:19.08 | Dave | :p |
| 20:19.08 | laen | Mwah. Just don't do more then calling and make sure you got the latest kernel. |
| 20:19.13 | laen | Fougner: there are other keyboards :) |
| 20:19.15 | leinir | Writing English texts is super-nice :) |
| 20:19.18 | Dave | laen o.O |
| 20:19.36 | Fougner | laen, for example+ |
| 20:20.01 | laen | Hm? |
| 20:20.12 | laen | You're talking about the keyboards in Qtextended |
| 20:20.13 | laen | ? |
| 20:20.42 | laen | If you are writing an SMS, upper right corner has a very tiny keyboard selection thing. |
| 20:21.17 | leinir | You can also go Options -> Change Input :) |
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| 20:21.37 | laen | looks at Dave and Fougner quickly booting up their Qt's |
| 20:21.45 | Ainulindale | In between guys |
| 20:21.46 | Ainulindale | http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Screenshots |
| 20:21.58 | laen | thanks Ainulindale, interested in SHR here :) |
| 20:22.07 | Fougner | laen, I mean that it's very hard to write a sms with that small keyboard xD |
| 20:22.18 | laen | Ainulindale: looks veeeery good :) |
| 20:22.31 | Fougner | Calcolator! :D |
| 20:22.33 | laen | Fougner: Ah oh well, it's no bigger then matchbox's :) |
| 20:22.44 | sicu | Dave: :p moocow is off limits now ... illegal in some parts of the world |
| 20:22.46 | Ainulindale | Screenshot was made by an italian |
| 20:23.27 | Fougner | moocow? |
| 20:23.33 | Fougner | aaha |
| 20:23.36 | Fougner | well, looks nice |
| 20:23.47 | Fougner | what's fixed in this latest release? |
| 20:23.55 | Ainulindale | "fixed" ? |
| 20:24.10 | Dave | :p |
| 20:24.13 | Fougner | made |
| 20:24.21 | Fougner | sorted out |
| 20:24.23 | Ainulindale | Look at the screens, it'll tell you what we did |
| 20:24.24 | Fougner | changed |
| 20:24.29 | Fougner | icons |
| 20:24.33 | Fougner | that's all I can see? |
| 20:24.36 | Dave | confiscates Fougner's enter key |
| 20:24.37 | laen | Fougner: teh sex. |
| 20:24.50 | Fougner | laen, say what? |
| 20:24.58 | laen | Just look at them! |
| 20:25.08 | Fougner | hits Dave with the rest of his keyboard |
| 20:25.28 | laen | throws stylus pens at Fougner |
| 20:25.35 | Dave | haha |
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| 20:25.38 | jonkristian | ducks |
| 20:25.41 | Dave | pelt Fougner with freerunners |
| 20:26.11 | Fougner | :o |
| 20:26.15 | Fougner | STOP IT! |
| 20:26.16 | Fougner | you hit me |
| 20:26.21 | Fougner | need mediiiic! |
| 20:26.34 | Dave | fires a tranquilizer at Fougner |
| 20:27.02 | Fougner | ...eeek... |
| 20:27.14 | Fougner | ..zzzz... |
| 20:27.34 | laen | wonders if that tranquilizer was tasty alcohol |
| 20:27.41 | rooly | nah |
| 20:27.45 | rooly | it was really a laxitive |
| 20:27.48 | rooly | i filled it meself |
| 20:27.56 | laen | Yikes :P |
| 20:27.57 | Dave | hahaha |
| 20:27.58 | sicu | haha |
| 20:28.02 | Fougner | I'm not feeling very well... :S |
| 20:28.04 | Dave | high-fives rooly |
| 20:28.08 | rooly | schwing |
| 20:28.11 | Dave | :D |
| 20:28.15 | laen | hahahaha |
| 20:28.25 | laen | isn't this teh bestest channel >_< |
| 20:28.30 | Fougner | it is.. |
| 20:28.33 | Dave | But of course it is! |
| 20:28.34 | sicu | laxitive + moocow = projectile mess |
| 20:28.37 | Fougner | runs away... |
| 20:28.39 | Dave | hahaha |
| 20:28.41 | Dave | openmoomess? |
| 20:28.46 | sicu | :p |
| 20:28.46 | laen | roflmao |
| 20:28.47 | rooly | lol |
| 20:30.42 | rooly | christ man |
| 20:30.45 | rooly | debian is on the g1 |
| 20:30.54 | Dave | and? |
| 20:30.56 | Ainulindale | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ <= jffs2 is here |
| 20:31.00 | Ainulindale | I didn't test it, but it should work |
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| 20:31.10 | rooly | nothing really |
| 20:31.13 | rooly | it's just funnyu |
| 20:31.21 | Ainulindale | Currently generating the lite image |
| 20:31.25 | rooly | debian runs on everything doesn't it |
| 20:31.39 | laen | I'm gonna read loads of stuff upcoming days, and try to help out the Gentoo team :) |
| 20:32.06 | laen | Cause if i can get Gentoo running as swell as Debian does on it.. i don't need anything else anymore :P |
| 20:32.23 | rooly | except a phone |
| 20:32.34 | laen | I'll write that! :P |
| 20:32.47 | laen | But uh, there's still Zhone. |
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| 20:32.57 | Dave | :P |
| 20:34.34 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: is that for the fr aswell? |
| 20:34.54 | Ainulindale | Look at the directory |
| 20:34.59 | Ainulindale | There's a shr-gta02 image |
| 20:35.02 | jonkristian | ah, see it |
| 20:35.15 | Ainulindale | It's getting bigger and bigger |
| 20:35.16 | Ainulindale | 92mb today |
| 20:35.22 | Ainulindale | There's too much stuff for me |
| 20:35.25 | Ainulindale | (Hence the lite image) |
| 20:35.50 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: what kinda a kernel works good with this? |
| 20:35.58 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: Same directory, uImage is here |
| 20:36.19 | laen | hands jonkristian a pair of glasses |
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| 20:36.27 | Ainulindale | Anyway, going to eat |
| 20:36.32 | laen | Have a good meal! |
| 20:37.09 | jonkristian | Oh come on, when there's more than one uImage how would i know that all are the same. |
| 20:37.50 | laen | Size and time? |
| 20:38.19 | jonkristian | yeah yeah, hehe |
| 20:38.25 | laen | :P |
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| 20:42.17 | dent | hi |
| 20:42.29 | dent | I'm once again trying to get the toolchain working |
| 20:42.42 | dent | wich I guess should be easy, but again it explodes on my box, sigh |
| 20:43.02 | dent | when trying to compile the openmoko-sample2, I get: ../libtool: line 807: X--tag=CC: command not found |
| 20:43.16 | dent | that's after om-conf (that seems to pass ok) |
| 20:43.30 | dent | i.e after, omconf, when I do make |
| 20:43.59 | dent | this is on ubuntu 8.10... I tried the same on gentoo and there it explodes with a different (also libtool-related) issue |
| 20:44.26 | dent | I guess it has to do with libtool/auto-whatever versions |
| 20:45.27 | dent | everyone else was lucky enought to get this working? :) |
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| 20:50.19 | techiem2-r | ooh ATT added autopay to GoPhone |
| 20:50.26 | Dave | hurr |
| 20:50.59 | techiem2-r | hugs his $25 every 90 days prepay plan for his FR |
| 20:51.00 | techiem2-r | hehehe |
| 20:51.13 | Dave | :) |
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| 20:54.37 | smhar | I got a freerunner for a week, borrowed from a friend, it has andriod installed. is there a way to reset it to factory system? |
| 20:56.11 | viq | smhar: you either flash the distribution you want into internal memory, or install it onto SD card and boot that |
| 20:56.28 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * rb4fc84fef759 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Increase {Get,Set}AntennaPower timeout |
| 20:56.41 | _charly_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 20:57.26 | smhar | viq: so I need to do this with the computer connected? I just started reading the 'USB Networking' section |
| 20:57.27 | rooly | how well does android work? |
| 20:59.05 | smhar | rooly: it works ok. I could make and receive calls, but no sms as there is no input system. did not check the bluetooth and wifi |
| 20:59.09 | viq | smhar: there is no "factory settings". Let me put it in other words what you just asked, to make it clearer for you: "Hi, I borrowed from a friend a laptop that was sold with SUSE, but now it has ubuntu installed, how do I reset it to factory settings?" |
| 21:00.35 | smhar | viq: that is clear now, although I uses none of them, :-) |
| 21:00.52 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd9a0e574e415 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
| 21:02.30 | smhar | viq: since I will be using it for only a week, do you recommend a specif distro for me, |
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| 21:03.12 | viq | try them all, one day with each :P |
| 21:03.30 | viq | I am not a good person to advise you on that. |
| 21:03.32 | smhar | viq: I want to show case it to several people in this week so I want it to work, reasonably |
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| 21:06.35 | viq | smhar: then you'd better ask someone who actually knows something about it, not me :P |
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| 21:09.56 | duffolonious | torindel: have you put any howto's up on the gentoo-wiki or somewhere else? |
| 21:10.45 | jonkristian | booting shr for the first time |
| 21:10.57 | jonkristian | i like the splash:) |
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| 21:16.01 | jonkristian | Uhm |
| 21:16.29 | jonkristian | Ainulindale: should i be greeted with a desktop, like a regular e17 desktop? |
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| 21:24.18 | Ainulindale | jonkristian: No |
| 21:24.30 | Ainulindale | If you didn't choose illume as a profile, it'll be borked, and that's normal |
| 21:24.34 | Ainulindale | Then if it is |
| 21:24.37 | Ainulindale | Stop X |
| 21:24.41 | Ainulindale | Then rm -rf ~/.e |
| 21:24.53 | jonkristian | ok |
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| 21:29.49 | smhar | does the roof fs image for fdom include the kernel as well? |
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| 21:34.10 | salman | does the roof fs image for fdom include the kernel as well? because the NeoTool asks for this |
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| 21:40.17 | salman | and should I flash when freerunner is on or off? because when it is off I got an error of device not fount |
| 21:40.25 | salman | s/fount/found |
| 21:43.08 | weirdedout | salman: have looked at this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Before_using_dfu-util |
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| 21:45.45 | salman | weirdedout: doing now.. the problem is when I connect the usb with new I loose wireless network and connection to the net |
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| 21:49.37 | yo | so the openmoko is finally ready for purchase?!? |
| 21:49.54 | viq | define "ready" ;) |
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| 21:54.23 | emsyr | Hello to everyone. |
| 21:54.40 | emsyr | I just bought a new Openmoko Freerunner |
| 21:55.33 | emsyr | I've added Angstrom and ScaredyCat repos and done opkg update. |
| 21:55.58 | emsyr | But I can't install any application. |
| 21:56.08 | weirdedout | salman: That I cannot explain. But flashing shouldn't need a network connection. |
| 21:56.18 | emsyr | Can you help? |
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| 21:56.31 | emsyr | Thanx... |
| 21:56.42 | Tig| | emsyr: which distro are you running? |
| 21:56.49 | emsyr | 2007.2 |
| 21:57.39 | Tig| | emsyr: what error comes back? |
| 21:58.12 | emsyr | An error ocurred, return value: 4. |
| 21:58.19 | salman | ok.. I downloaded the rootfs.jffs2 file for fdom is this all? do I need a kernel image too? I want to flash the freerunner that has andriod installed |
| 21:58.33 | emsyr | Collected errors: |
| 21:58.45 | emsyr | Cannot find package openmoko-dates2. |
| 21:58.57 | emsyr | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'opkg update' |
| 21:59.05 | emsyr | That' all. |
| 21:59.40 | Tig| | emsyr: that would suggest that the package is not in the repos you have configured, I am not sure exactly the state of support with the 2007 image at the moment |
| 21:59.48 | weirdedout | salman: if you have installed android previously you probably need the kernel image also. |
| 22:00.24 | emsyr | Tig|: what would you suggest? |
| 22:00.48 | yo | all that , all that |
| 22:01.12 | Tig| | emsyr: it really depends on what you want to do with your phone a good start would be the distributions page on the wiki |
| 22:01.13 | dent | > # Om2007.2 is not supported anymore. Most bugs in the Trac related to that distro have been closed with status "community". |
| 22:01.14 | slaxxin | set the cloac with the terminal on the latest SHR? |
| 22:01.20 | dent | from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/November_2nd%2C_2008 |
| 22:01.43 | dent | I'd suggest to move on... although it depends what do you expect form your FR :) |
| 22:02.52 | emsyr | dent: It's supposed that these apps run on 2007.2 |
| 22:03.22 | emsyr | At least this is written in the wiki. |
| 22:05.06 | mwester | emsyr: 2007.2 was killed by Om. The funeral service was held, the body was displayed for the mourners for some time, now it has been buried, the dirt put back in the hole, and a tombstone erected. It's best to find another image to work with... |
| 22:05.27 | yo | so, If get this the openmoko will all the nobelievers be impressed, or will it just make an ass out of the open source movement |
| 22:05.29 | yo | holla back |
| 22:05.35 | yo | ya mean |
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| 22:06.08 | Ainulindale | Dave: so, did you flash SHR? |
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| 22:06.54 | emsyr | So you say to move on to 2008.1 |
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| 22:07.50 | emsyr | 2008.9 |
| 22:09.00 | mwester | Mmmmmdppphhphppphppmmmpphh!!!! <--- me biting my tongue to keep from saying what I really think about 2008.x |
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| 22:09.16 | mwester | But yes, that is one of the current firmwares |
| 22:09.39 | emsyr | Maybe Qtopia is better??? |
| 22:09.48 | dent | mwester :)) |
| 22:10.20 | mwester | You really need to consider what applications you need, and base your choice on that... there are entirely too many images/firmwares, and none of them are really working completely yet. |
| 22:10.43 | mwester | Qt Extended (Qtopia) is a vey good one, but it will not run any standard X-based applications. |
| 22:12.36 | emsyr | mwester: have you installed 2008.9? |
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| 22:13.57 | mwester | emsyr: Yes. |
| 22:14.18 | mwester | I've installed most of them, actually. |
| 22:14.25 | emsyr | And didn't like it? |
| 22:14.50 | mwester | I did not find 2008.9 to be in any way usable. |
| 22:15.17 | mwester | Others like it. |
| 22:15.39 | emsyr | What do you suggest? |
| 22:16.09 | mwester | But it seems to me, that most people avoid 2008.9, and install something called "fdom" which is supposed to be just 2008.9 with lots of applications added and bugs fixed... |
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| 22:16.45 | mwester | Personally, I use Qt Extended, because it is the closest to something that works. SHR is very close to a release (that uses FSO underneath). |
| 22:17.16 | mwester | Debian is used by many, and is a cool idea -- but doesn't work for me because it isn't much of a phone, more of a small desktop. |
| 22:17.18 | mwester | IMO |
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| 22:17.46 | lindi- | mwester: i'd only need a reliable gsm program on top of debian |
| 22:17.51 | salman | ok... flashing of fdom and kernel is completed but I got a kernel panic: not syncing: no init found. try passing init= opt |
| 22:17.54 | mwester | It's really rather cool that there are so many choices, but it does mean that work is spread out instead of focused on making any one work well. |
| 22:18.07 | salman | ok... flashing of fdom and kernel is completed but I got a kernel panic: not syncing: no init found. try passing init= opt |
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| 22:19.12 | lindi- | mwester: current state of fso-frameworkd+zhone unfortunately is not that. today for example it did not ring at all when an incoming call was made |
| 22:19.13 | mwester | lindi-: zhone is a demo/debug program only, so I'm not surprised really. |
| 22:19.13 | mwester | SHR might run on debian -- that could be good. |
| 22:19.13 | mwester | But youl'd have to talk to the SHR team about that. |
| 22:19.25 | Ainulindale | That'll be easy |
| 22:19.27 | lindi- | mwester: i've also tried to remove brightness control and handling of AUX from frameworkd (fortunately it is configurable) |
| 22:19.38 | lindi- | mwester: since i'd really want it to only do GSM stuff for me |
| 22:20.20 | lindi- | mwester: yeah i looked at the shr phone app but it had some library dependencies that nobody had packaged yet |
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| 22:20.39 | lindi- | mwester: does it have a simple "dialer" that only needs GSM support from frameworkd? |
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| 22:26.04 | vivijim | hi guys, does any one know if there is a easy way to read sim card data? a library or something else other than AT commands? |
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| 22:36.50 | lindi- | vivijim: many ways |
| 22:37.01 | lindi- | vivijim: look at zhone source code for example |
| 22:38.41 | vivijim | lindi-: I'm going to take a look! Thanks |
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| 22:43.24 | emsyr2 | OK!!! |
| 22:43.41 | emsyr2 | I did it. Installed apps on 2007 |
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| 22:54.49 | peppertarts | Hi, Does anyone know whether Freerunner/1973 specific Android bugs are being tracked anywhere? |
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| 23:06.01 | bricode | mwester: Around? Even had problems of only receiving certain type of events on /dev/input/event4? |
| 23:06.27 | bricode | mwester: It seems that with my latest kernel, I only get "long press" event messages from the PMU. |
| 23:06.59 | bricode | peppertarts: Not at the moment. Koolu plans to have something once a stable codebase is formed. |
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| 23:18.40 | peppertarts | bricode: Thanks, I'll keep my eyes open. |
| 23:20.55 | bricode | peppertarts: Do you have a particular question? |
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| 23:24.47 | jonkristian | Hm, http://planet.openmoko.org/ the post regarding android, sms (done), that doesn't mean we're able to send sms'es with the fr, right? |
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| 23:26.02 | bricode | jonkristian: No keyboard to do it well. |
| 23:26.21 | jonkristian | hm |
| 23:26.58 | jonkristian | So basically we would have to wait until the first quarter of 2009, and even longer. |
| 23:27.32 | jonkristian | By then I recon the om will be getting really wicked:) |
| 23:27.35 | bricode | Not necessarily, but that's when Google will supposedly have an onscreen keyboard included. |
| 23:28.26 | jonkristian | Yeah, i see. It doesn't look very promising towards others doing that though, since there's no easy way for it:) |
| 23:28.47 | jonkristian | But it's still an awesome project:) |
| 23:28.58 | bricode | jonkristian: There was someone who did a kernel based one for the HTC Vogue. |
| 23:29.06 | jonkristian | What about speech recognition, lol |
| 23:29.11 | jonkristian | bricode: cool |
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| 23:30.03 | FilipLinux4BE | bricode : how about this one http://www.android-community.org/content/show.php/Shapewriter?content=89637 ? |
| 23:30.06 | jonkristian | Maybe there might be some good speed recognition apps out there for linux that can be portet:) |
| 23:30.15 | jonkristian | s/speed/speech |
| 23:30.34 | bricode | Sphynx has ARM packages I believe. |
| 23:31.23 | jonkristian | as far as reading that post on what it does, it seems to still be dependent on keystrokes |
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| 23:31.45 | bricode | FilipLinux4BE: Saw that one. Not sure if it requires the program to be "keyboard" enabled or not. |
| 23:32.04 | peppertarts | bricode: No particular question. I have just started looking into why Android appears to restart when you tap the bottom item in sound settings. I just wanted to make sure I'm not wasting my time. |
| 23:32.22 | FilipLinux4BE | there's a nice video of it on http://www.shapewriter.com/android.html |
| 23:32.50 | jonkristian | I hope android get's sd booting capabilities, i would definatley use it as a second system:) |
| 23:33.28 | bricode | jonkristian: It's in the plans. |
| 23:34.03 | jonkristian | there's also slideit i see:) |
| 23:34.05 | jonkristian | bricode: awesome |
| 23:35.05 | bricode | Once I get a stable kernel working on it, I'll be doing some image enhancemnets. |
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| 23:45.01 | jonkristian | bricode: sphinx, and have seen this? http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ |
| 23:45.40 | bricode | jonkristian: Yep. Looked pretty interesting. No idea on performance though. Mind you, I was doing SR on a P-90 many moons ago. |
| 23:45.51 | jonkristian | :) |
| 23:46.01 | jonkristian | I am going to test it on my laptop here |
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