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| 00:32.42 | kd8ikt | i've made my own livecd a few times fun stuff |
| 00:33.48 | balrog-k1n | cd-roms are so '90s :) |
| 00:34.10 | kd8ikt | yeah i hate cd's too |
| 00:34.27 | kd8ikt | thumbdrives |
| 00:34.57 | kd8ikt | they always scratch and are pretty slow |
| 00:35.13 | balrog-k1n | yup |
| 00:35.36 | balrog-k1n | and take NNN years to bio-degrade |
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| 01:09.03 | ieatlint | so apparently the serial console on android on the freerunner doesn't give you a shell |
| 01:10.15 | Aciid | what a piece of crap ;D |
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| 01:35.14 | Aciid | how can I execute/deploy the virtual keyboard manually? |
| 01:35.24 | Aciid | pidgin wont show it when im trying to write my password |
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| 01:47.12 | Aciid | hello? |
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| 02:04.58 | slaxxin | what u wanna sell yo freerunner already? |
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| 02:10.08 | kd8ikt | nice olsrd works |
| 02:10.13 | kd8ikt | now if i can get my openwrt routers configured for meshing aswell ;) |
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| 02:34.16 | johngay | I'm trying to connect my new BT keyboard, but I don't have hidd? |
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| 02:36.12 | johngay | anyone here? |
| 02:36.36 | dns53 | perhaps |
| 02:36.44 | slaxxin | maybe |
| 02:37.00 | johngay | But no one know about using BT? |
| 02:37.16 | slaxxin | wiki failed? |
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| 02:38.42 | johngay | wiki says use hidd to connect, but that command isn't on my FR? |
| 02:38.59 | hiciu | opkg search hidd? |
| 02:39.11 | johngay | returns nothing. |
| 02:40.41 | hiciu | opkg install bluez-utils? |
| 02:41.01 | johngay | already installed |
| 02:42.30 | hiciu | hm.. opkg search *hidd*? I don't know.. |
| 02:43.09 | dns53 | i think bluez is the bluetooth stack and can do just about everything though i have not touched it |
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| 02:47.52 | johngay | So. No BT help ATM )-: |
| 02:48.40 | johngay | And I just got a new Apple BT keyboard I wanted to show off. |
| 02:48.57 | slaxxin | is it glass? |
| 02:49.12 | johngay | Brushed aluminum. |
| 02:51.33 | dns53 | it should be following the same type of instructions used to set it up on a normal pc |
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| 03:04.24 | johngay | But I can't find hidd I need to connect |
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| 03:18.03 | johngay | Anyone else know how to use BT on FR? |
| 03:19.51 | ieatlint | just lookup generic linux instructions on bt keyboards |
| 03:19.54 | johngay | Guess I'll have to try again later. |
| 03:20.04 | ieatlint | depending on the version of bluez, hidd is no longer around |
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| 03:21.53 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 03:22.06 | kd8ikt | anyone play with olsrd before? |
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| 03:52.04 | johngay | Anyone else know how to use BT on FR? |
| 03:55.29 | kd8ikt | blues |
| 03:55.42 | kd8ikt | hcitool hciconfig hidd |
| 03:56.25 | johngay | but I dont have hidd on my FR? |
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| 03:58.38 | kd8ikt | you trying to connect a keyboard or mouse to freerunner? |
| 03:58.50 | johngay | keyboard |
| 03:58.51 | kd8ikt | i think hidd may be needed |
| 03:59.16 | kd8ikt | use like hcitool scan (find the bt addr) then hidd --connect mouseadr |
| 03:59.39 | kd8ikt | so i thinks you need hidd |
| 03:59.57 | johngay | -sh: hidd: not found |
| 04:00.28 | kd8ikt | well look for it in opkg |
| 04:00.56 | johngay | Nothing |
| 04:02.25 | kd8ikt | lol google for openmoko hidd |
| 04:02.31 | kd8ikt | its kinda funny |
| 04:02.44 | kd8ikt | Openmoko Bug #1846: hidd missing from "testing" feed |
| 04:02.48 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 04:02.54 | johngay | I did. it returns remoko |
| 04:03.00 | kd8ikt | i can see how you dont see that as funny though |
| 04:03.25 | kd8ikt | really not on my google |
| 04:03.50 | kd8ikt | but i forget google likes to tailor searches to the user/ip |
| 04:03.59 | johngay | Maybe it was wikisearch on openmoko. |
| 04:04.02 | kd8ikt | thats a bit scary |
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| 04:04.34 | kd8ikt | funny cause i think it would be included in blues-utils |
| 04:05.00 | johngay | bluez-utils is up to date )-: |
| 04:05.17 | johngay | It's getting late. I'll try again later. |
| 04:05.51 | johngay | nite. |
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| 04:42.59 | slaxxin | wassa |
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| 04:43.55 | ChandleWEi | how to wipe out the existing kernel and rootfs in NAND |
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| 04:46.52 | ChandleWEi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.51 | kd8ikt | overwrite it with another? |
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| 04:48.13 | kd8ikt | hello again chewbacca |
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| 04:52.17 | mbuf | in FDOM, playing audio is fine, but, it plays in the speakers as well as on the earplugs |
| 04:52.23 | mbuf | how can I make it use the earphones and not the external speakers? |
| 04:53.57 | slaxxin | nhmmmmmmm |
| 04:54.09 | slaxxin | thats intrestring |
| 04:54.34 | slaxxin | does your phone ring through the speakes as well? |
| 04:55.11 | mbuf | slaxxin: i am not using a SIM card |
| 04:55.18 | slaxxin | ok |
| 04:55.21 | mbuf | slaxxin: just want to use it as a media player for now |
| 04:56.52 | mbuf | if there is no earphones plugged in, it should use the external speakers, otherwise, it should use the earphones |
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| 06:08.44 | mwester | Updated GTA01 kernel (with GPS/SD card interference fixes) posted, for those interested: http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels |
| 06:20.17 | ChandleWEi | how to wipe out the existing kernel and rootfs in NAND? not overwrite it with another |
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| 07:11.52 | hipitihop | mwester, does the gta02 not suffer from this interference ? |
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| 07:18.56 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: GTA01 at least suffers from it much less. GTA02 was unusuable without patches. |
| 07:19.15 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: GTA01 is quite usable without patches, though I don't know if it's more accurate with them. |
| 07:21.52 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, I have a gta02 so I guess the question should have been "is there a patched kernel for the gta02 also" |
| 07:22.08 | SpeedEvil | thye patches went in some time ago. |
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| 07:22.11 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. |
| 07:22.18 | SpeedEvil | Do you have problems with GPS? |
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| 07:24.47 | hipitihop | currently experimenting with QTExtended which does not have a GPS app so technically not an issue yet. |
| 07:25.27 | hipitihop | I'll be back later |
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| 07:43.22 | ajuonline | is the FR meant for Stylus operation only? |
| 07:43.44 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 07:43.46 | ChandleWEi | I insert my mirosd card and use fdisk split it and use mkfs.vfat format it but I can't get micro sd partition after reboot , |
| 07:43.51 | SpeedEvil | It's meant to be usable by fingers. |
| 07:43.51 | ajuonline | because, with finger usage its very hard to use. Witha pointing device its easy. |
| 07:44.01 | SpeedEvil | ajuonline: it's not ready yet :/ |
| 07:44.45 | ajuonline | i think its because of the software stack |
| 07:44.51 | ajuonline | coz i suppose the hardware is good |
| 07:45.13 | ChandleWEi | I can use fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 and type "p" find two partition ,but can't find it in /dev/ directory |
| 07:56.57 | Wonka | ChandleWEi: any mmcblk in /proc/partitions? |
| 07:57.05 | Wonka | ChandleWEi: if yes, any in /proc/mounts? |
| 07:58.16 | PloenK | hi |
| 07:59.05 | Wonka | lo |
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| 08:03.44 | PloenK | Is there a doc on the keyboard in 2008.9 ?! |
| 08:04.25 | quickdev | PloenK, what would you like to know? |
| 08:05.09 | PloenK | It is automatically inventing words :-) .. I'd like to stop that |
| 08:05.52 | quickdev | it's very useful if you type a text...what language are you using? |
| 08:06.11 | PloenK | bash :-) |
| 08:06.38 | PloenK | i.e. I am trying to issue commands |
| 08:12.00 | PloenK | quickdev: but also when creating contacts it does not do any good |
| 08:12.22 | quickdev | PloenK, you could use the terminal keyboard |
| 08:12.46 | PloenK | I am sure I am making some fundamental mistake |
| 08:12.53 | PloenK | how can I get there?! |
| 08:13.12 | quickdev | click on the upper right icon on the keyboard |
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| 08:29.14 | PBeck | hi |
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| 09:12.02 | PloenK | quickdev: sorry, was flushing back to vanilla 2008.9 |
| 09:12.21 | PloenK | still the same thing |
| 09:12.39 | PloenK | no matter which app |
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| 09:32.45 | PloenK | quickdev: ok, I was using the virtual keyboard :-( |
| 09:32.49 | PloenK | solved |
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| 09:39.14 | meshlee | Any updates on the Android release? |
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| 09:41.43 | Gromgull1 | I drop by and ask this fairly often, but I have not received an answer yet: Does anyone else have problems with pre-formatted text when editing the wiki? |
| 09:41.52 | Gromgull1 | i.e. even when nothing is changed, the preformat flag is gone? |
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| 09:45.09 | KenYoung | Gromgull1, I have not seen that - what page(s) are you seeing that on? |
| 09:45.35 | uzi18 | hi all :) |
| 09:45.51 | Gromgull1 | KenYoung, many |
| 09:45.59 | Gromgull1 | Just now it was editing a section on the Python page |
| 09:46.06 | KenYoung | Gromgull1, What browser do you use? |
| 09:46.09 | Gromgull1 | You can "fix" it by adding <pre> </pre> aroudn the text |
| 09:46.11 | Gromgull1 | FF3 |
| 09:46.18 | Gromgull1 | I can find a diff where it went wrong, hang on |
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| 09:46.49 | Gromgull1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Debian&diff=prev&oldid=57265 |
| 09:46.50 | Gromgull1 | here f.x. |
| 09:47.07 | Gromgull1 | I only added the ToDo line, but some magic was lost for other lines |
| 09:47.23 | gromgull | although the look identical on this page |
| 09:47.35 | uzi18 | i have problems with mms configuration on QtExtended |
| 09:48.13 | uzi18 | someone have succesfull this ? |
| 09:48.59 | KenYoung | gromgull, Are you sure you didn't remove whitespace at the beginning of lines? The wiki will accept as pre-formatted any lines whithin paragraphs with start with whitespace. |
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| 09:49.20 | gromgull | I am sure I did not change it - it could be that firefox somehow trims the lines for me |
| 09:49.28 | gromgull | but then all wikipedia contributors would also have this problem? |
| 09:50.01 | gromgull | Does it work for you? Try editting a section somewhere with preformatted text and preview with no changes? |
| 09:50.04 | KenYoung | gromgull, I put preformatted text in a page I maintain (orrery), and I have not run into that problem. |
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| 09:51.35 | gromgull | so I take the revision history section on that page, edit just he section, and click preview and change nothing, the pre-formatting is lost |
| 09:51.37 | gromgull | weeeeird |
| 09:51.46 | gromgull | let me try iwth opera |
| 09:51.50 | KenYoung | Wow - let me look at that! |
| 09:52.15 | gromgull | I didn't save, but try just editing a section, not the whoel page, maybe that is the reason? |
| 09:52.42 | KenYoung | gromgull, Please do it again, and save it. I'll look at it on my end. |
| 09:53.05 | gromgull | done - now it's broken :) |
| 09:53.44 | gromgull | it also breaks in opera, so it's not a browser issue... |
| 09:53.57 | KenYoung | gromgull, You're right. Somehow your browser is stripping out the whitespace. |
| 09:54.29 | gromgull | I've seen it happen to other people, some of the pages I watch also had all the preformatting disappear |
| 09:57.14 | mbuf | how to configure audio only for earphones in FDOM image and not to the external speakers? |
| 09:57.26 | gromgull | So it happens across browsers, but only to some people - this is very odd. |
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| 09:58.49 | KenYoung | gromgull, It's very odd indeed. I could not get it back to preformatted by puting the whitespace back in. I surround it with <pre> </pre>. I use FF 3.0.3, and I've never seen that behaviour. |
| 09:59.50 | Aciid | I suppose that trying to IRC with SSH->screen -rd with openmoko's xterm is pretty useless |
| 09:59.51 | KenYoung | SOrry I'm no help. |
| 09:59.53 | Aciid | since it cant detach |
| 10:00.01 | Aciid | or is there a way to detach with openmoko |
| 10:00.40 | gromgull | KenYoung: I created a preformatted part on my user page now, then I can create it and edit it later without it getting corrupted |
| 10:01.12 | gromgull | hmm... as if the spaces have somehow been removed in the database, and the rendered HTML is cached... but then it woudl happen to everyone |
| 10:02.37 | emilis_info | Is it possible to connect USB peripherals to FR? I tried connecting USB key and a USB keyboard, but they didn't seem to work... I used b-a+a-a+a-peripheral cables |
| 10:03.18 | spydon | emilis_info, you need to set the usb to host mode first |
| 10:03.18 | gromgull | emilis_info: I know people have used both mice and keyboards |
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| 10:03.24 | gromgull | exactly... what he said :) |
| 10:03.34 | emilis_info | spydon, how do I do this? |
| 10:04.09 | spydon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host |
| 10:04.29 | KenYoung | emilis_info, THere's a package called USBchmod at the gForge site that purports to do that, I've never tried it. |
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| 10:07.25 | emilis_info | thank you |
| 10:07.40 | spydon | np |
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| 10:11.24 | gromgull | Can someone running 2008.09 or testing tell me if they have a /dev/dsp file? |
| 10:12.25 | gromgull | it seems one should do |
| 10:12.26 | gromgull | but I dont |
| 10:13.20 | emilis_info | yay it works :D |
| 10:14.10 | KenYoung | gromgull, I'm running 2009.9, and I have a /dev/dsp |
| 10:14.23 | KenYoung | ooop 2008.9! |
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| 10:15.07 | gromgull | Thanks again KenYoung - could you also paste me the output of lsmod? |
| 10:15.55 | emilis_info | g... switching to text terminal was not a very good idea... |
| 10:15.55 | emilis_info | :) |
| 10:15.55 | KenYoung | gromgull, That will take a minute. |
| 10:16.12 | gromgull | sure |
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| 10:18.40 | KenYoung | gromgull, http://www.pastebin.ca/1249431 |
| 10:18.55 | KenYoung | THere's not much there - is that what you were looking for? |
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| 10:22.36 | gromgull | weird |
| 10:22.44 | gromgull | I have a bunch of snd_blah modules loaded |
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| 10:23.07 | gromgull | and usb things - but that could be because I have usb networking enabled |
| 10:23.16 | gromgull | i.e. it's plugged in atm |
| 10:23.29 | KenYoung | gromgull, Me too. |
| 10:23.41 | mokolade | anyone of you running Android? I can't find out why Android doesn't boot all the way without the USB cable or charger connected.. |
| 10:24.35 | mokolade | it has been that way since day one, have done multiple install since... all the same |
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| 10:25.00 | mokolade | triple boot android, devian and fdom at the moment.. love my freerunner :) |
| 10:25.14 | mokolade | debian |
| 10:28.00 | ronny | hmm, is it already possible to do calls with the android stack? |
| 10:28.10 | mokolade | yes |
| 10:28.25 | mokolade | but there is no button to answer incoming calls |
| 10:28.39 | ronny | yikes |
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| 10:49.25 | ljp | heh |
| 10:49.41 | ljp | who cares about incoming calls anyway |
| 10:49.54 | ljp | they just bother you about something or other |
| 10:50.10 | mokolade | exactly :P |
| 10:50.24 | KenYoung | ljp, Yeah - There are times when I'd be willing to pay an extra fee for a phone which only mankes outgoing calls. |
| 10:50.42 | ljp | like "why arent you in this meeting?" |
| 10:51.01 | KenYoung | ljp, Yup |
| 10:51.16 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 10:51.21 | ljp | my dad just turns his off and uses it to make calls |
| 10:51.33 | SpeedEvil | That's actually a use-case for which the buzz isn't an issue. |
| 10:51.46 | KenYoung | ljp, OM is missing a potential marketing opportunity. |
| 10:51.47 | SpeedEvil | If you turn off the mic |
| 10:52.22 | SpeedEvil | Ignore me. |
| 10:53.07 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sexyhotbeauty.com/2007/10/eva-green-will-break-your-heart/ |
| 10:55.27 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 10:55.37 | neldoreth | sure this is the right channel? ;) |
| 10:55.38 | SpeedEvil | mispaste, sorry, nsfw |
| 10:56.05 | KenYoung | SpeedEvil, DON'T apologise for that! |
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| 10:56.54 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I just got up am in completely unreasonable pain. (bent down to replace cheese in mousetrap, back went spang on the way up) |
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| 10:58.54 | SpeedEvil | departs for bed. (at 11AM) |
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| 11:53.11 | Hopscotch | moin |
| 11:54.32 | jonkristian | moarnaan' |
| 11:54.45 | Tm_T | hyvää iltapäivää |
| 11:54.59 | jonkristian | god morgen |
| 11:55.19 | Tm_T | jonkristian: tarkoititko: guten morgen |
| 11:55.52 | jonkristian | :) |
| 11:56.01 | Tm_T | btw its 1356 here already so not much morning in that left |
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| 14:40.37 | mwester | re |
| 14:40.59 | uzi18 | re :) |
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| 15:26.25 | CYR | !es |
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| 15:27.39 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
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| 15:27.59 | cjb_ie | do i have to? |
| 15:29.03 | mwester_ | shoos cjb_ie on his way |
| 15:29.05 | Tetracomm | Does anyone here know if there are any OpenMoko emulators/images that will work with QTemu? |
| 15:29.50 | mwester_ | There's the qemu for Openmoko. I didn't find that it worked very well, though. |
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| 15:39.10 | leinir | Qtemu is just a frontend for Qemu, so it might be an idea for Tetracomm to stop asking for that specifically ;) |
| 15:39.51 | Tetracomm | leinir: So which image can I download from OpenMoko's website for use in Qtemu? |
| 15:40.16 | leinir | Tetracomm: Qemu :) |
| 15:40.59 | Tetracomm | It is asking for .qte files. |
| 15:41.42 | leinir | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU |
| 15:42.13 | leinir | Well, you can build a qtemu settings file from any qemu image iirc... |
| 15:42.18 | leinir | a while since i used it, though :) |
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| 15:46.48 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 15:47.39 | CYR | hay algun canal de openmoko en espalol ???????' |
| 15:47.50 | CYR | channel in spanish?????? |
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| 15:53.00 | spydon | CYR, I don't think so... |
| 15:54.00 | leinir | Hmm... it would seem you are correct, Tetracomm, my googling skills are not helping me out here, i can't find a way to make a qemu image into a qte image |
| 15:59.11 | Tetracomm | :( |
| 15:59.42 | leinir | Try asking in #qemu though, they might have an idea :) |
| 15:59.55 | Tetracomm | Ok, thank you. |
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| 16:05.08 | uzi18 | have problems with gprs chat script after connect pppd give me default local and remote ip |
| 16:05.20 | hiciu | illume on debian: https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/2008-11-09-153840_480x640_scrot.png :> |
| 16:05.24 | uzi18 | (after succesfull chat |
| 16:05.56 | uzi18 | hiciu: :) |
| 16:09.01 | uzi18 | any help ? |
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| 17:37.10 | smhar | greetings |
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| 17:38.25 | smhar | I borrowed a free runner from a friend who has just installed andriod on it. but I can not seem to find any text entry method, no virtual keyboard or hand recognition |
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| 17:39.21 | stevenSn | smhar: I don't think android has a software keyboard yet |
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| 17:39.46 | smhar | stevenSn: so it is for show only?! now atleast? |
| 17:40.32 | stevenSn | I think so |
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| 17:41.43 | smhar | ok, so since I will have this for a week only before I return it to my friend, what is the best distro to install to use it. and get the feel of it |
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| 17:43.58 | Fougner | hello =D |
| 17:44.32 | Fougner | did bearstech update their shr-distro this friday? =) |
| 17:45.03 | stevenSn | If you want to get the feel for things FDOM might not be an okay one to try (I haven't used it myself, I'm on 2008.09) |
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| 17:45.40 | quickdev | Fougner, there are new images, yes |
| 17:45.41 | Traveler6 | hi!! |
| 17:46.33 | Fougner | quickdev, nice, they made some updates I guess? |
| 17:46.41 | smhar | stevenSn: ok, or not ok? |
| 17:46.47 | Traveler6 | could you tell me if the new palm treo pro can be locked by att to use only with them? |
| 17:46.47 | quickdev | Fougner, have you already tried shr once? |
| 17:48.00 | stevenSn | smhar: what's ok or not okay? 2008.09? or FDOM? |
| 17:49.01 | quickdev | Fougner, in this second a new image arrived ;) |
| 17:49.03 | smhar | stevenSn: FDOM, you previous post said not FDOM not okay but context sounds like ok |
| 17:49.51 | stevenSn | stevenSN: Sorry, I meant, Android is probably not useable for a lot. FDOM is probably a good choice of a dist to put on for getting the feel of things. |
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| 17:50.08 | Fougner | quickdev, I think I tried it out a few days ago =) |
| 17:50.30 | quickdev | Fougner, did it have the white or black interface? |
| 17:50.48 | Fougner | language-support, and so on.. quickdev, white =) |
| 17:51.30 | jamewill | what is the linux program that prints to a terminal window the results of a keypress? |
| 17:51.41 | quickdev | Fougner, ah, ok ;) atm we're trying to get some nice look into the image ;) |
| 17:51.49 | jamewill | x-event or something? |
| 17:53.04 | Fougner | quickdev, ah, you're the developer =P so, I did try out the white:ish one a few days ago.. will there be major differences or just a few tweaks? =) |
| 17:54.09 | quickdev | Fougner, there's a settings application for profiles (default, silent) and some icons (but not all yet). And some minor tweaks, yeah ;) |
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| 17:57.03 | jamewill | ok dudes thanks for the help .... not |
| 17:57.12 | jamewill | xev and xmodmap were what i was looking for |
| 17:57.13 | jamewill | bye |
| 17:57.41 | Fougner | quickdev, I've had trouble with qt and debian to get GPS, Wifi and bt to work.. is it easy to do in shr? =) |
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| 17:58.06 | quickdev | GPS works...wifi and bt should work via command line |
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| 17:59.01 | sylar | hi, what are the news of the new shr release of some minutes ago? |
| 18:00.22 | Fougner | sylar, there's a settings application for profiles (default, silent) and some icons (but not all yet). And some minor tweaks, yeah ;) |
| 18:01.40 | sylar | is now fixed numptyphisycs? |
| 18:05.49 | quickdev | sylar, yes, it should work |
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| 18:08.38 | sylar | quickdev: and what's different from the other snapshot of today? |
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| 18:09.49 | andred- | hi. did anybody successfully connect to android using adb? |
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| 18:22.10 | igor321 | yo, is someone working on an android soft keyboard? |
| 18:26.41 | toggles_w | igor321: Dave |
| 18:27.11 | toggles_w | igor321: http://www.slashphone.com/soft-qwerty-keyboard-for-android-available-in-q1-2009-232801 |
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| 18:35.57 | sylar | ehm.... there is a regression with the latest image of shr! |
| 18:36.18 | igor321 | what has regressed? :) |
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| 18:37.06 | sylar | there aren't some icons, illume has less items in the panel and there is nothing new |
| 18:37.43 | igor321 | oh :) |
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| 18:39.24 | sylar | hi Fradeve |
| 18:39.45 | sylar | are you the author of http://fradeve.netsons.org/ ? |
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| 18:46.00 | GNUtoo | hello, is it worth trying om2008.9 testing? |
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| 19:05.31 | Fougner | how can I manually export data from openstreetmap.org into tangogps? =) |
| 19:05.45 | Fougner | for example save all mapdata for a city? |
| 19:07.03 | viq | sa in "save images" ? |
| 19:12.36 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: go to the area you want, zoom in as far as you've got maps |
| 19:13.07 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: find 'get to depth 4' in the setups. |
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| 19:13.24 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: then you can zoom in more |
| 19:15.32 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, Format to Export? |
| 19:15.43 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: no - ignore that totally |
| 19:15.52 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: you want the tabs in tangogps |
| 19:15.59 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: it downloads the tiles itself |
| 19:16.54 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/8-User-Manual.html#extended |
| 19:17.05 | SpeedEvil | you need to set 'repository' to OSM |
| 19:17.58 | Fougner | uhm, SpeedEvil, I want to manually export it from OSM |
| 19:18.03 | Fougner | that's what I asked for |
| 19:18.06 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: you a;lmost can't. |
| 19:18.12 | Fougner | oh. |
| 19:18.31 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: that would involve downloading the appropriate osm file for your area, and setting up a local renderer |
| 19:18.45 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: which is possible, but very non-trivial. |
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| 19:19.34 | Fougner | yaah I |
| 19:20.07 | Fougner | yeah I see. |
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| 19:21.23 | Fougner | I'm on SHR, and I need network on the phone to download it :P |
| 19:21.29 | Fougner | GPRS are expensive xD |
| 19:21.29 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Deploying_your_own_Slippy_Map |
| 19:21.48 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: connect it up to a cheap net. |
| 19:22.00 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: download for the area(s) you want |
| 19:22.30 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, to a cheap net? |
| 19:22.41 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: over USB |
| 19:23.01 | Fougner | hehe, well, I'm having a hard time to do that |
| 19:23.13 | Fougner | I don't know why, but it says "network down" |
| 19:24.35 | Fougner | hm, let's restart |
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| 19:24.54 | SpeedEvil | \ |
| 19:25.03 | Fougner | do I need an antenna to get the GPS to work ? =) |
| 19:25.05 | SpeedEvil | Ptobably a good idea getting USB networking working. |
| 19:25.06 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: no |
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| 19:25.48 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, I had it working on the last three distros I've tried. |
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| 19:39.24 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03werner * r4775 10/developers/werner/owping/ (README owping.c owping.h rx.c tx.c): |
| 19:39.24 | CIA-51 | openmoko: Make it a bit more convenient to use. |
| 19:39.25 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - the host can now be by specified by name |
| 19:39.25 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - new option -p port to set the port number by name or number |
| 19:39.25 | CIA-51 | openmoko: - receiver prints statistics if interrupted by SIGINT |
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| 19:50.26 | dent | Hi |
| 19:50.38 | dent | I'm trying to bitbake meta-toolchain-openmoko |
| 19:50.49 | dent | but it stops on edje-sdk |
| 19:51.08 | GNUtoo | hello, i installed the base image and the testing repos in it and i get that: http://rafb.net/p/2ozHMd97.html is it a known issue? |
| 19:51.19 | dent | bitbake edje-sdk chokes on some compile errors |
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| 19:55.03 | GNUtoo | anyone...even qtopia can't be installed |
| 19:56.55 | BluesLee | some shr specialists here? |
| 19:57.30 | BluesLee | how do i handle the power management, the screen is turned off after 20 secs or so? |
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| 20:03.22 | mokel | when i plug in the usb cable to the freerunner it does not fit very good into it. its a little bit loose and i can move it from right to left. in front/backward direction it fits good. is this normal? |
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| 20:05.29 | GNUtoo | mmm...removing the testing feed doesn't work...is there anyone there? |
| 20:05.48 | dent | mokel: mine seems the same... of course, it depends on interpretation of "loose" |
| 20:05.53 | Gromgull1 | Sort of here GNUtoo - what is your trouble? |
| 20:06.02 | dent | mine can be tilted a bit... but overall it seems ok |
| 20:06.18 | mokel | dent: it does not fall out, bit a good fit is something else |
| 20:06.19 | GNUtoo | Gromgull1, with the base image i get that : http://rafb.net/p/2ozHMd97.html |
| 20:06.49 | Gromgull1 | So you added testing feeds |
| 20:06.55 | Gromgull1 | so you delete /etc/opkg/testing.conf |
| 20:06.56 | Gromgull1 | again |
| 20:06.59 | Gromgull1 | and rerun opkg update |
| 20:07.00 | GNUtoo | Gromgull1, with and without the testing feed |
| 20:07.04 | Gromgull1 | and it shouldn't try to get the new one? |
| 20:07.24 | GNUtoo | re-trying |
| 20:07.49 | gromgull | if that doesn't help it could also be that the repos is broken atm. |
| 20:07.57 | gromgull | I know I have installed mplayer both in stable and testing w/o trouble |
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| 20:08.55 | GNUtoo | http://rafb.net/p/JFwxSx85.html |
| 20:09.02 | GNUtoo | that was without testing... |
| 20:09.21 | GNUtoo | i can't install qtopia either... |
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| 20:10.06 | gromgull | Hmm - then I don't really know |
| 20:10.14 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 20:10.14 | gromgull | sorry :) |
| 20:10.21 | GNUtoo | thanks anyway for your help |
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| 20:12.58 | GNUtoo | bye |
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| 20:15.08 | BluesLee | mrmoku: hi, system_timeout=0? |
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| 20:15.36 | BluesLee | mrmoku: i dont know the correct syntax, new to fso/shr stuff |
| 20:15.46 | mrmoku | BluesLee: supsend=0 |
| 20:15.59 | BluesLee | mrmoku: okay |
| 20:16.01 | mrmoku | BluesLee: within the idlenotifier section |
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| 20:17.27 | BluesLee | mrmoku: is it possible to configure it properly within e? |
| 20:18.38 | mrmoku | BluesLee: don't think so - also I think right now you have to restart frameworkd after changing |
| 20:19.16 | BluesLee | the power button ist orange |
| 20:19.18 | BluesLee | hmm |
| 20:19.40 | BluesLee | does not shutdown properly, killed and restarted x didnt work |
| 20:20.16 | mrmoku | orange means it is charging and not yet full |
| 20:20.42 | BluesLee | mrmoku: i disconnected it from usb |
| 20:20.52 | BluesLee | mrmoku: but it stayed with orange |
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| 20:21.16 | BluesLee | mrmoku: looks very promising!!! |
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| 20:22.24 | BluesLee | mrmoku: what is included in that image, gsm phoen calls? sms? |
| 20:22.36 | BluesLee | mrmoku: okay, now i can test it |
| 20:22.42 | mrmoku | BluesLee: what image? |
| 20:23.06 | BluesLee | mrmoku: shr |
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| 20:24.02 | mrmoku | BluesLee: so gsm phone calls, sms and tangoGPS should work |
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| 20:26.05 | BluesLee | mrmoku: will play around, are you from the shr team? |
| 20:26.07 | samgee | is there any way to see missed phone calls in shr? |
| 20:26.37 | mrmoku | BluesLee: not yet, just user |
| 20:27.09 | mrmoku | samgee: no not yet either - but it's on the list of next things to do, I think |
| 20:27.17 | samgee | cool |
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| 20:49.22 | davi | When will the next openmoko design get out? |
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| 20:50.50 | F4t | when will android be fully ported? |
| 20:50.53 | F4t | :P |
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| 20:51.18 | mwester | When will the sun burn out? |
| 20:51.22 | davi | Google phone sucks. |
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| 20:51.28 | leinir | Well... They have promised to start shipping devices with it end of this month, so... ;) |
| 20:51.38 | davi | I do not like the circular shape of the current OpenMoko design, neither its plastic ouch. |
| 20:51.55 | davi | touch |
| 20:52.01 | leinir | i've grown quite fond of it :) |
| 20:52.12 | mwester | leinir: Yes, but did they promise that android will actually work when it ships? Certainly Om did not... :D |
| 20:52.17 | leinir | As for the plastic, it feels very solid, and i like that part of it from the start :) |
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| 20:52.34 | davi | leinir, not me |
| 20:52.50 | leinir | s/and i like/and i liked/ |
| 20:53.22 | davi | I have installed Debian etch on my phone |
| 20:54.03 | Wonka | .oO( what does one do with _that_ _old_ stuff? ) |
| 20:54.04 | F4t | i like the rubber coating... |
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| 20:55.27 | mokel | is the white screen of death reported with gta02v06, too? |
| 20:55.59 | mwester | oh yes |
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| 20:56.03 | mokel | mmh |
| 20:56.10 | mokel | any news how to fix? |
| 20:56.39 | mokolade | I have never seen a WSOD on my gta02v06 |
| 20:56.42 | Ainulindale | Dave: latest SHR alpha is out |
| 20:57.56 | mrmoku | mokolade: lucky you :( |
| 21:00.22 | mokolade | mrmoku, do you get WSOD on all distros? fdom, debian, fso and so on? |
| 21:00.29 | mokolade | or just one of them? |
| 21:00.40 | mokel | i get it with fdom on v05 |
| 21:02.16 | mrmoku | mokolade: everyone I tried - and I tried all of them :) |
| 21:02.26 | mokel | and you have v06? |
| 21:02.34 | mrmoku | yep |
| 21:02.36 | mokel | mmh |
| 21:02.37 | mokel | ok |
| 21:04.30 | mokolade | hmm, strange, only thing I can think of that maybe is different on my gta02v06 is I have only been using 1GB SanDisk microSD cards... |
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| 21:05.55 | mrmoku | I tried with the one that came with the phone, a 8GB SanDisk and without a microSD card... makes no difference |
| 21:05.55 | mokel | is the power consumption of the v05 leds fixed on the massproduction or do they still take 150mw? |
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| 21:07.19 | mokolade | mrmoku, okay. I guess I'm just lucky then. Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket :) |
| 21:08.40 | uzi18 | anybody know which kernel here : qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2 ? |
| 21:09.55 | mrmoku | mokolade: try, but you might allready have consumed all your luck ;) |
| 21:10.18 | mokolade | hehe :) |
| 21:11.59 | mokolade | btw, does anyone have a kernel with some common usb wifi drivers/modules in it? |
| 21:12.59 | mokolade | Is it complicated to build my own kernel? any wiki? |
| 21:14.03 | mrmoku | mokolade: you need the toolchain and in the kernel sources is a build script included |
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| 21:14.51 | BluesLee | mrmoku: is it possible to maximize all windows automatically, can i resize the toolbar? |
| 21:16.21 | mrmoku | BluesLee: what do you mean by maximizing all windows? The toolbar on top can be resized if you tap on it and tap on the configure icon... |
| 21:16.45 | mokolade | mrmoku, thanks. I'll give it a try, but I'm no linux guru :) |
| 21:16.55 | BluesLee | mrmoku: my toolbar is at the bottom, where do i configure it? |
| 21:17.18 | mrmoku | BluesLee: so you're not using SHR? |
| 21:17.36 | BluesLee | mrmoku: the windows should start 480x640 more or less |
| 21:17.47 | BluesLee | mrmoku: i am using todays image |
| 21:17.58 | mrmoku | mokolade: it's not that difficult - good luck |
| 21:18.19 | BluesLee | mrmoku: and my toolbar is at the bottom, battery applet and so on |
| 21:18.27 | mrmoku | BluesLee: today's image from shr.bearstech.com? or openmoko.org? |
| 21:18.44 | BluesLee | mrmoku: shr ... where is the difference? |
| 21:19.39 | mrmoku | BluesLee: openmoko.org is ASU which is based on qtopia ported to X11. SHR is something different. Based on freesmartphone.org |
| 21:19.59 | BluesLee | mrmoku: okay, than i am fine with shr:-) |
| 21:21.51 | mrmoku | BluesLee: I'm quite happy with SHR. Getting better every day. If you need help with SHR... The SHR guys are in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 21:22.52 | BluesLee | hey, i thanx |
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| 21:23.08 | mrmoku | welcome |
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| 21:29.12 | davi | Can the OpenMoko A-GPS fall back to conventional GPS to avoid charges for contacting the A-GSP assistance server? |
| 21:30.05 | leinir | ...what charges? |
| 21:30.41 | davi | charges when connecting to internet to contact the A-GSP assistance server |
| 21:31.09 | davi | leinir, "A typical A-GPS-enabled cell phone will use an internet connection to contact the assistance server." |
| 21:31.23 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.37 | leinir | Well, it has never done that for me, seeing as i don't have GPRS set up at all :) |
| 21:31.43 | leinir | And GPS still works :) |
| 21:32.05 | alphaone | davi: At the moment there's no program that's trying to connect to the internet |
| 21:32.20 | alphaone | So the chip is just running as regular GPS at the moment |
| 21:32.38 | davi | Thanks alphaone |
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| 21:32.58 | davi | So it will depend on the image you are using, say Qtopia, Android ... |
| 21:33.12 | davi | None yet support A-GPS? |
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| 21:33.47 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.18 | mwester_ | hehe! It's a pity the hardware can't resume properly from suspend, too! ;) |
| 21:34.19 | alphaone | davi: Yeah, it will depend |
| 21:34.27 | davi | Conventional GPS lack accuracy |
| 21:34.32 | mwester_ | I think it's a matter of priority for the developers. |
| 21:34.44 | alphaone | FSO image is at least saving and restoring the data from the GPS SVs |
| 21:34.49 | mwester_ | I suspect you would be welcomed if you would volunteer to write the code? |
| 21:34.55 | alphaone | davi: That has nothing to do with it |
| 21:35.12 | alphaone | davi: DGPS is the one boosting accuracy |
| 21:35.24 | alphaone | agps is helping time to first fix |
| 21:35.32 | kd8ikt | wouldnt we aslo need like a gps data server? |
| 21:35.42 | mwester_ | grouses some more about how many thousands of phones Om sold, and the number of active community developers is so small. |
| 21:35.52 | alphaone | And fso image enabled satellite based dgps (SBAS) |
| 21:36.10 | davi | alphaone, The OpenMoko phone is improving quickly. I like it. |
| 21:36.25 | davi | alphaone, Has the eco problem be already solved? |
| 21:36.37 | alphaone | Well, not as quickly as some of us would like.. |
| 21:36.50 | leinir | mwester_: It just sort of shows on a more obvious, financial scale what the biggest problem in most open source projects is :) |
| 21:37.03 | kd8ikt | faster alphaone faster!! |
| 21:37.08 | kd8ikt | cracks a whip |
| 21:37.10 | dent | anybody tried building meta-toolchain-openmoko recently? I got some compile error for edje-sdk and as I'm quite lost in openembedded I don't really know the way out... |
| 21:38.29 | davi | alphaone, Unfortunately I can not contribute to openmoko yet, due to I am busy with http://gnuherds.org/pledges |
| 21:39.20 | kd8ikt | davi thats a cool website |
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| 21:39.58 | davi | kd8ikt, eight years of work |
| 21:40.06 | davi | and we have yet a lot to do :) |
| 21:40.26 | mwester_ | leinir: I don't follow the financial part of that. I'm speaking of the community who bought the phones -- I would expect that at least one out of every 4 or 5 purchasers would have skills to write code. That would be dozens of developers we should have, all volunteering to work. No money changes hands. |
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| 21:40.57 | kd8ikt | crap my phones not working |
| 21:41.19 | Fougner | mwester_, I'm not a developer ^^ |
| 21:41.20 | mwester_ | Frankly, given the warnings on the state of the phone, EVERY purchaser should be a developer, and we should have several thousand coders working on this. :( |
| 21:41.24 | leinir | Skills has nothing to do with it - it's part being bothered, part davi's problem... :) |
| 21:41.38 | mwester_ | Yeah. I suppose you're right. |
| 21:42.22 | mwester_ | But that's not how open source projects are supposed to work. |
| 21:42.39 | mwester_ | But I suppose OM needed money, so sellt he phones to anyone. |
| 21:42.41 | leinir | Hehe, you spotted exactly the right term there ;) |
| 21:42.45 | leinir | "supposed to" ;) |
| 21:43.06 | mwester_ | Hell, we can't get people to even write up usable bug reports :( |
| 21:43.35 | Fougner | mwester, just because every purchaser is a developer, doesn't mean that it would be more developers than now |
| 21:43.54 | kd8ikt | never mest with writting bug reports sorry |
| 21:44.25 | mwester_ | That's unfortunate. |
| 21:44.29 | Fougner | mwester, as a "normal" techie guy, what can I do for the community? :P |
| 21:44.39 | mwester_ | Test, and file useful bug reports! |
| 21:44.46 | mwester_ | That's a very valuable contribution |
| 21:44.53 | davi | IMHO you have to get at least 100 phones sold to developers to get one _good_ developer contributing |
| 21:45.02 | Fougner | next question would be, "how to file a useful bug report?" |
| 21:45.12 | Fougner | but I'd use google for it ^^ |
| 21:45.13 | mwester_ | google can help there. |
| 21:45.31 | mwester_ | Basically you need to isolate the problem, and put it in terms that someone can act on. |
| 21:45.43 | mwester_ | Same rules as when you take your car in for service. |
| 21:45.44 | Fougner | "the display doesn't work" |
| 21:46.03 | Fougner | or, |
| 21:46.11 | kd8ikt | howbout using fso/zhone pressing asnwer wont accept the call? |
| 21:46.14 | mwester_ | If you bring it in and say "there's a funny noise in back", well, the mechanic will change anything he feels like, and charge you 10x what it's worth. |
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| 21:46.35 | Fougner | mwester, that wouldn't work in Sweden ^^ |
| 21:46.39 | mwester_ | But since opensource "mechanics" can't charge 10x, just nobody will look at it. |
| 21:46.53 | mwester_ | "the display doesn't work" Answer: "neither do I" :p |
| 21:47.00 | mwester_ | hehe! |
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| 21:47.26 | Hire | OHHHH |
| 21:47.27 | Fougner | mwester, maybe there's a special case for bug reports here, so I ask if you have a "OM-spec" page for "how to file useful bug reports" |
| 21:48.24 | mwester_ | I don't -- I suspect that Om has some guidelines, and since for a while they were just closing ones that didn't follow the guidelines, I would think that they would have the guidelines published on the wiki. |
| 21:48.34 | mwester_ | That would at least set the minimum requirements. |
| 21:48.43 | mwester_ | But it's really common sense. |
| 21:48.50 | Fougner | mwester, found it |
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| 21:49.22 | mwester_ | a) what did it do, or not do? b) what did you expect or think it should have done, c) how can the developer duplicate this to see it for themselves? Done. |
| 21:49.43 | mwester_ | So instead of "display doesn't work", it would be something like: |
| 21:50.36 | mwester_ | Display goes blank after 30 seconds even if I tap the screen. I expect that taps should reset the screen blank timer. This was with the 2007.2 image, version 1.2.3.4, with the xbcdddd package installed. |
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| 21:52.02 | Fougner | mwester, actually I think I could figure that one out mysqlf :D |
| 21:52.05 | Fougner | myself* |
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| 21:53.52 | mwester_ | Of course, much of the problem also is that we have so many different images right now. This hightlights a failure to manage the community project, IMO. It leads to exactly what we see happening -- users just endlessly flash the latest image, changning to a new image each day, so that no image gets properly tested... and users just get annoyed because nothing ever works. Because all the developers are spread out over a dozen projects. |
| 21:53.55 | mwester_ | Grrr.... |
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| 21:54.46 | Fougner | mwester, like FDOM, OM2008.8/9 and so on? |
| 21:55.26 | mwester_ | And android, and qtopia, and qt extended, .... |
| 21:55.34 | Fougner | ah well |
| 21:55.34 | Fougner | hehe |
| 21:55.47 | dent | and FSO :) |
| 21:55.53 | mwester_ | And debian |
| 21:56.10 | mwester_ | 2007.2 |
| 21:56.23 | mwester_ | That's like... 9 images to flash right there, and that's not the whole list. |
| 21:56.28 | mwester_ | That's just insane. |
| 21:56.29 | Fougner | why don't take all resources and make them work on, for example, OM2008 ? |
| 21:56.35 | mwester_ | Yes!!!!!! |
| 21:56.53 | mwester_ | Except that 2008 is a bucket of horse droppings. |
| 21:57.02 | dent | :))) |
| 21:57.23 | Fougner | I mean, even if android would be nice, and Qt, and FSO, and FDOM bla bla, they're not useful until they work |
| 21:57.36 | mwester_ | Exactly. |
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| 21:58.11 | Fougner | so please make a stable and useful (simple interface for us braindead customers) distro, |
| 21:58.16 | mwester_ | The problem is that it is hard to change now. Early on, there was the opportunity for Om to guide the community to a single common base image, and build on that. |
| 21:58.32 | mwester_ | They realized their mistake, and now support FSO. |
| 21:58.45 | mwester_ | FSO is the correct solution, IMO (and Om's opinion) |
| 21:59.00 | Fougner | FSO is the "global" thing for smartphones huh? |
| 21:59.10 | mwester_ | Except for Android. |
| 21:59.16 | Fougner | yah |
| 21:59.23 | mwester_ | That's google, they will define their own version of Open and Standard. |
| 21:59.27 | Fougner | but that need porting, doesn't it? |
| 21:59.31 | mwester_ | Yes |
| 21:59.34 | Fougner | well |
| 21:59.37 | Fougner | that's not open |
| 21:59.42 | mwester_ | But google has the power to make the kernel comply with google. |
| 21:59.42 | Fougner | not in that way |
| 21:59.45 | mwester_ | Om cannot. |
| 22:00.34 | Fougner | I know at least a few people willing to spend some money to get a working distro |
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| 22:00.58 | mwester_ | From a practical point of view, even though it pains me, the only real solution is to tweak the framework so that Android and the framework can use a common kernel, and possibly some common services beneath. |
| 22:01.06 | mwester_ | Users expect that. |
| 22:01.21 | Fougner | well, not me |
| 22:01.26 | Fougner | I read the warnings |
| 22:01.54 | Fougner | but I also know that open source software very often can take a long time |
| 22:02.05 | Fougner | so what I want is speed |
| 22:02.16 | Fougner | like commercial software |
| 22:02.33 | mwester_ | There is a certain "competitive" element to open source, though. I think that Om squandered an opportinity by letting Android and google take the lead. |
| 22:02.37 | Fougner | but, with the open source license |
| 22:03.36 | mwester_ | Now it's going to be much harder to convince the world that a common, open framework for phone-like devices is a good thing -- many, I fear, will just ask "well, why not just use Android?" -- and that's of course, exactly what google want. |
| 22:03.52 | Fougner | android is not free |
| 22:04.06 | mwester_ | most people don't really care. |
| 22:04.12 | Fougner | probably not |
| 22:04.18 | Fougner | but for those who are "open source" |
| 22:04.20 | dent | ordinary users unfortunately don't give a ... |
| 22:04.38 | Fougner | well, that's really a competitor |
| 22:04.42 | mwester_ | I have kids. I know that right now, the only thing they care about is what shade of pink the phone comes in. |
| 22:04.45 | mwester_ | :( |
| 22:04.50 | Fougner | big company develops a "open source" OS |
| 22:04.58 | dent | they regard EULAs and what not as annoying boxes, not thinking what do they really mean |
| 22:05.17 | mwester_ | right |
| 22:05.28 | Fougner | dent, true, and their accept their computers being filled with viruses, software with limits and stuff |
| 22:05.34 | Fougner | mwester, how old are they? :P |
| 22:05.34 | mwester_ | consider the number that think that it's a GOOD thing that apple has a "kill switch". Frightening. |
| 22:05.40 | mwester_ | Fougner: teens. |
| 22:05.45 | dent | offtopic, but... maybe not that much: http://xkcd.com/501/ :) |
| 22:05.47 | Fougner | yah, I would think so |
| 22:05.52 | Fougner | hehe |
| 22:06.07 | Fougner | I know what you mean |
| 22:06.11 | Fougner | especially girls |
| 22:06.23 | mwester_ | dent: :D |
| 22:06.36 | Fougner | they often ask "can I have a different color?" |
| 22:07.20 | Fougner | mwester, apple, kill switch? :S |
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| 22:08.09 | Fougner | eula |
| 22:08.32 | Fougner | I've never read one of those when installing software through synaptic :S |
| 22:08.38 | Fougner | what's EULA? ^^ |
| 22:09.03 | dent | well... ffox is not that far from them - in case you missed that firefox-ubuntu affair |
| 22:09.13 | mwester_ | I did miss that. |
| 22:09.19 | Fougner | It's easier to remember "no warranties for this software.. copy and spread how much you want" |
| 22:09.24 | mwester_ | goes to google... |
| 22:09.37 | Fougner | mwester, send me the link then |
| 22:10.14 | dent | well, just an executive summary: mozilla forced ubuntu (wuth canonical probably not really protesting) to add an EULA to ffox 3 |
| 22:11.01 | dent | this was eventually dropped, but only after a (major, I'd say) backlash by the ubuntu community |
| 22:11.37 | dent | with some people being all "where's the problem", of course... :-/ but majority seemed that as an issue |
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| 22:12.00 | dent | ^ I mean to add an eula to the FFOX that |
| 22:12.06 | dent | s installed in ubuntu |
| 22:12.29 | mwester_ | Just reading some blogs and mailing lists about this now. |
| 22:12.40 | mwester_ | Once again, Mozilla/ff have shot themselves in the head. |
| 22:12.54 | mwester_ | They've become little different from IE IMO. |
| 22:13.36 | mwester_ | Good thing we don't need ff code on the phone (although I'm not sure what it's based on right now . |
| 22:14.06 | Ainulindale | Does anybody here ever worked with connman ? (used by 2008.9 "settings" application) |
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| 22:17.38 | dent | mwester_: are you *the* kernel guy? |
| 22:17.38 | mwester_ | Not at all. |
| 22:17.46 | mwester_ | I'm just a community member who happens to work on kernel (and distro) types of things. |
| 22:17.58 | mwester_ | In fact, I rather thiink the Om kernel guys are REALLY upset with me. |
| 22:18.12 | dent | heh, why? |
| 22:19.38 | kd8ikt | and we love you for it |
| 22:19.40 | mwester_ | I argue with them; they don't respond well to that. |
| 22:19.54 | mwester_ | It's not their fault. |
| 22:20.11 | kd8ikt | sean pulitz's fault? |
| 22:20.34 | Fougner | who is who? |
| 22:20.38 | mwester_ | As kernel guys, they focus on the kernel. The real problem is that they don't have an overall architect who keeps an eye on what the users expect. |
| 22:21.12 | Fougner | I'm a normal user. |
| 22:21.14 | mwester_ | So IMO they lose focus, and work on the wrong things, or just assume things about the distros that are not reasonable. |
| 22:21.41 | Fougner | I expect the OM to work with the freerunner |
| 22:21.55 | dent | Fougner: and I'm a dev who bought the phone, but so far is stuck at the steep end of the learning curve :-/ |
| 22:22.45 | quickdev | mwester, if that's the case you should open some public discussion about it in order to inform the openmoko bosses ;) |
| 22:22.46 | Fougner | how hard would it be to make a simple GUI for BT, WIFI |
| 22:23.13 | mwester_ | The last battle was over a change that may have resulted in breakage of user applications; we had quite a row over that; they couldn't give any logical reason to defend the change. Turns out that they wanted to make the change to accomodate Android, at the risk of the other distros, but Google had sworn them all to secrecy. So it was a very frustrating situation. |
| 22:23.34 | dent | mwester_: yuck |
| 22:23.38 | mwester_ | quickdev: I have, I''ve exchanged emails with a number of the managers inside Om. |
| 22:23.51 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 22:23.52 | mwester_ | They're good folks, I just think they don't have a good direction. :* |
| 22:23.55 | mwester_ | er, :( |
| 22:24.02 | mwester_ | (silly asterisk key) |
| 22:24.10 | kd8ikt | hm android |
| 22:24.35 | Fougner | well |
| 22:24.46 | mwester_ | Yeah. Android. The biggest single distraction to sucess we've seen so far. Also the biggest potential solution for the hardware. |
| 22:24.59 | Fougner | android is on everyones lips |
| 22:25.06 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 22:25.10 | vininim_ | I thought I was the only one not caring that much about android |
| 22:25.19 | mwester_ | Can't deny a 600 lb gorilla in the room with you. |
| 22:25.21 | dent | vininim_: nah, count me in :) |
| 22:25.23 | Fougner | I don't care about it..yet |
| 22:25.41 | kd8ikt | someone say hardware solution? |
| 22:25.52 | quickdev | mwester, biggest potential solution for the hardware? What do you mean? |
| 22:26.50 | mwester_ | After two years, there is not yet a distro that's really close to complete. If Android can get working, and solve the keyboard problem, it would be the most complete phone stack for the Om hardware of all 9 distros. |
| 22:26.51 | Fougner | android, biiig software, and a bit open source, hey? |
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| 22:27.13 | Fougner | freerunner, freedom to do whatever I want with i |
| 22:27.15 | Fougner | it* |
| 22:27.32 | mwester_ | So it comes down to what works -- and when you've spent $500 on a phone, at some point one gives up a bit of freedom to get somethign that can make a phone call reliably ;) |
| 22:27.45 | dent | :)) |
| 22:27.47 | mwester_ | (All that assumes that the kernel/hardware issues are resolved, of course) |
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| 22:28.49 | Fougner | mwester, you're right.. even if they develop a phone good enough to use with open source software, they don't have the power to compete with android ^^ |
| 22:28.55 | mwester_ | wonders how he could have missed this whole FF/EULA controversy for so long... |
| 22:30.10 | mwester_ | Fougner: and I don't think they should -- Android could be the way to get the phone into retail stores, and get the price point down. But I'd sure like to see the FSO framework and at least one open phone stack be available as an alternative to Android. |
| 22:30.18 | kd8ikt | i was reading the kulu android forums about openmoko |
| 22:30.21 | mwester_ | ideally, I'd love to see FSO on the G1. |
| 22:30.34 | mwester_ | But that's a long-off future, I suspect. |
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| 22:31.34 | kd8ikt | koolu* |
| 22:32.24 | Fougner | mwester, SO AM I! :D |
| 22:32.55 | Fougner | buy freedom, sell Linux |
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| 22:33.52 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 22:35.14 | kd8ikt | hey look what i found http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ |
| 22:35.31 | kd8ikt | <cough> android images </cough> |
| 22:35.34 | TAsn | Fougner, <Fougner> how hard would it be to make a simple GUI for BT, WIFI |
| 22:35.37 | TAsn | i already done that. |
| 22:35.56 | TAsn | i think i even gave you a link. |
| 22:35.56 | TAsn | ;] |
| 22:36.05 | TAsn | kd8ikt, android is nice |
| 22:36.19 | TAsn | it fells like a great nokia |
| 22:36.22 | TAsn | feels* |
| 22:36.24 | Wonka | TAsn: hmm... what's its name? and is it in debian? |
| 22:36.39 | TAsn | though it doesn't feel like a linux box? |
| 22:36.47 | TAsn | Wonka, the bt and wifi power app? |
| 22:36.52 | Wonka | ack |
| 22:36.58 | Wonka | eh, _power_ app? |
| 22:37.03 | TAsn | (actually has gprs and usbhost mode |
| 22:37.06 | TAsn | as well |
| 22:37.09 | Wonka | i got openmoko-panel-plugin for that |
| 22:37.12 | TAsn | Wonka, turn on turn off. |
| 22:37.18 | TAsn | Wonka, i c, well i don't (shr) |
| 22:37.22 | TAsn | so i had to build it ;] |
| 22:37.32 | TAsn | Wonka, what did you think i was talking about? |
| 22:37.35 | Fougner | TAsn, if you gave me a link, then the app wasn't as easy to install ;D |
| 22:37.40 | Wonka | i more thought about something like network manager for wifi and something alike for bt |
| 22:37.43 | TAsn | opkg install * |
| 22:37.47 | TAsn | isn't that hard ;] |
| 22:37.56 | TAsn | Wonka, for wifi you got plenty |
| 22:38.07 | TAsn | for bt, i guess you can find some as well. |
| 22:38.15 | TAsn | Fougner, sec, will relink you |
| 22:38.16 | Wonka | i seem not to have looked very hard then... |
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| 22:38.50 | TAsn | opkg install http://stosb.com/openmoko/fso-settings_0.3_armv4t.ipk |
| 22:38.55 | TAsn | and if you want the source |
| 22:39.03 | TAsn | it's in /usr/bin/fso-settings |
| 22:39.07 | TAsn | or something like that ;] |
| 22:39.11 | TAsn | it's a python script |
| 22:39.14 | Fougner | TAsn, does it work with SHR? :D |
| 22:39.20 | TAsn | I use shr |
| 22:39.23 | TAsn | and it works for me |
| 22:39.26 | TAsn | ;] |
| 22:39.30 | Fougner | GOOD LORD! I'm STUPID! |
| 22:39.36 | TAsn | supposed to work with fso, shr and debian |
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| 22:39.53 | TAsn | works in the courtesy of the framework. ;] |
| 22:40.11 | TAsn | though that leads me to the question i had for mickeyl. |
| 22:40.19 | TAsn | *with the courtesy |
| 22:40.39 | TAsn | mickeyl, what's the correct way to turn on/off gsm/bt/wifi? |
| 22:41.12 | TAsn | i currently use resource.enable/disable for bt/wifi and for gsm i use gsm.power (or something like that) |
| 22:41.22 | mickeyl | use RequestResource for everything |
| 22:41.51 | TAsn | mickeyl, request resource and request resource release or something like that? |
| 22:41.52 | Fougner | hwo can I turnoff the phone in SHR? :o |
| 22:41.55 | mickeyl | TAsn: yes |
| 22:42.03 | mickeyl | RequestResource |
| 22:42.05 | mickeyl | ReleaseResource |
| 22:42.12 | TAsn | mickeyl, that's an interesting idea ;] |
| 22:42.18 | TAsn | hehe, thanks. |
| 22:42.30 | TAsn | and what's the best way to force turnoff? |
| 22:42.45 | TAsn | like flight mode, or something similar |
| 22:43.12 | mickeyl | SetResourcePoliy |
| 22:43.16 | mickeyl | or SetPolicy |
| 22:43.19 | mickeyl | can't remember offhand |
| 22:43.20 | mickeyl | see docs |
| 22:43.25 | TAsn | mickeyl, cool, you did a good job. ;] |
| 22:43.30 | TAsn | mickeyl, docs are incomplete |
| 22:43.41 | TAsn | that's why im asking, though if it's there, i will read about it. ;] |
| 22:44.31 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:44.33 | mickeyl | incomplete? |
| 22:44.34 | mickeyl | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html;hb=HEAD#SetResourcePolicy |
| 22:44.55 | mickeyl | i think the docs are pretty much covering all of the API |
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| 22:45.55 | TAsn | mickeyl, i went through them last night and i thought i miss stuff. well, i guess i was just too tired. |
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| 22:46.55 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * r910016b86656 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Implemented org.freesmartphone.odeviced.IdleNotifier.GetTimeouts() => a{si} and SetTimeout(s,i). |
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| 22:47.15 | mickeyl | if you're missing things, ping us |
| 22:47.25 | mickeyl | we're putting great attention to docs.freesmartphone.org |
| 22:47.29 | TAsn | sure thing. |
| 22:47.44 | Fougner | SIOCADDRT: "network is doen" |
| 22:47.44 | Fougner | down* |
| 22:47.44 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 22:47.55 | TAsn | mickeyl, i love you work, so it's actually my pleasure ;] |
| 22:48.22 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:48.25 | TAsn | Fougner, i have to rewrite that a bit to work with the now recommended policy changes. |
| 22:48.29 | TAsn | your* |
| 22:49.07 | TAsn | mickeyl, btw, do you know anything about how the pypimd is going? |
| 22:49.28 | Fougner | my network doesn't work =( |
| 22:49.48 | TAsn | Fougner, what did you do? |
| 22:49.55 | Fougner | I just try to connect via USB |
| 22:50.15 | TAsn | what did you do? |
| 22:50.31 | TAsn | and what are you trying to do? (connect who to who from who:) ) |
| 22:50.37 | Fougner | me? |
| 22:50.47 | mickeyl | TAsn: there hasn't been any more work, the student has been very busy. I'm trying to hire him to complete his work |
| 22:51.05 | TAsn | Fougner, aye. |
| 22:51.12 | Fougner | SILENCE! |
| 22:51.14 | TAsn | mickeyl, i c. |
| 22:51.18 | Fougner | I kill you! =D |
| 22:51.37 | Fougner | TAsn, I'm trying to connect my FR to the computer |
| 22:51.48 | Fougner | but this time it doesn't work =/ |
| 22:52.01 | TAsn | mickeyl, well i built a phonelog daemon for the meanwhile and i can't use the pimd bus name if i don't commit it to the pypimd so i use a different busname for the meanwhile ;] |
| 22:52.24 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:52.24 | TAsn | Fougner, hehe don't worry, a reboot does the trick easily. |
| 22:52.30 | TAsn | just pop open the gui |
| 22:52.36 | TAsn | and tell me what you see clicked |
| 22:52.51 | TAsn | and maybe a reboot won't be necessary |
| 22:52.58 | TAsn | you may have just turned usb host on ;] |
| 22:53.33 | Fougner | what? :o |
| 22:53.43 | Fougner | I just did a reboot =( |
| 22:53.49 | TAsn | good enough. |
| 22:53.53 | TAsn | solves the issue as well. |
| 22:54.04 | TAsn | though probably wasn't a necessity. |
| 22:54.27 | Fougner | LOL @ http://xkcd.com/149/ |
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| 22:55.41 | TAsn | Fougner, man you are late. |
| 22:55.47 | TAsn | that's like 3 years old ;] |
| 22:56.28 | Fougner | :o |
| 22:56.41 | Fougner | I AM 3 three years old! |
| 22:56.42 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07specs * rb3f47281478a 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Follow changes & update the specs. Insertion of GetTimeouts() => a{si} and SetTimeout(si) |
| 22:56.43 | Fougner | =D |
| 22:56.45 | dent | Fougner: I c you discovered xkcd :) |
| 22:56.59 | TAsn | mickeyl, thanks a lot again. btw, i think using sql as a query language is a far better idea then using that custom made one. good night |
| 22:57.02 | TAsn | good night everyone. |
| 22:57.24 | dent | night |
| 22:57.26 | TAsn | phew, i just finished the most terrible home work assignment ever. |
| 22:57.30 | TAsn | my head aches. |
| 22:57.32 | TAsn | night again. |
| 22:57.33 | TAsn | ;] |
| 22:57.53 | Fougner | TAsn, what? :D |
| 22:58.09 | mickeyl | TAsn: g'night |
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| 23:02.32 | kd8ikt | dont forget bash.org |
| 23:04.41 | Fougner | what? :D |
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| 23:09.06 | sicu | it's impossible to forget bash.org .... it's a constant time-waster for me ;p |
| 23:09.07 | sicu | http://bash.org/?835413 |
| 23:10.23 | kd8ikt | so i flashed that mcneil image |
| 23:11.56 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * r142093eed041 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Forgot I was using python. else if -> elif |
| 23:13.41 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r74a7a01531db 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: |
| 23:13.41 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] do not assert when the callHandler gets instanciated twice |
| 23:13.42 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: (need to remove that as singleton anyways, now that we can shutdown and restart) |
| 23:13.42 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This closes FSO ticket #185 |
| 23:13.43 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07stabilization/milestone4 * r4c9c3371ab89 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Implemented org.freesmartphone.odeviced.IdleNotifier.GetTimeouts() => a{si} and SetTimeout(s,i). |
| 23:13.47 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07stabilization/milestone4 * r4f39364bcbfe 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Forgot I was using python. else if -> elif |
| 23:14.05 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9840a30e2362 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' |
| 23:16.05 | kd8ikt | but its just a blank screen |
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| 23:23.50 | Fougner | http://xkcd.com/208/ |
| 23:23.51 | Fougner | LOL |
| 23:24.28 | Fougner | sicu, LOL!!!!!! |
| 23:25.07 | kd8ikt | i liked the virtual machine network one with the virii propagations |
| 23:25.30 | Fougner | kd8ikt, what? |
| 23:25.34 | sicu | Fougner: hehe =] |
| 23:25.52 | kd8ikt | http://xkcd.com/350/ |
| 23:27.06 | sicu | kd8ikt: hrrr ... i like =] |
| 23:27.24 | dent | lol :) |
| 23:27.25 | kd8ikt | or this recent one http://xkcd.com/485/ |
| 23:27.35 | Fougner | kd8ikt, HAHAHHAHA |
| 23:27.46 | kd8ikt | least i think it was recent |
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| 23:29.11 | Fougner | kd8ikt, who's Brian Greene? |
| 23:29.11 | kd8ikt | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/funny-pictures-your-cat-has-not-seen-a-black-cat-anywhere.jpg |
| 23:29.33 | kd8ikt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Greene |
| 23:30.21 | dent | Fougner: a big name behind the string theory... that's why he's knitting :) |
| 23:31.42 | kd8ikt | fork() |
| 23:31.44 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 23:32.45 | Fougner | I still don't get it =( |
| 23:32.55 | kd8ikt | what fork? |
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| 23:33.24 | Fougner | heh |
| 23:33.41 | kd8ikt | oor the lil guy hangin out in the electron cloud "sup" |
| 23:33.51 | kd8ikt | thats funny stuff |
| 23:35.21 | Fougner | lol |
| 23:35.30 | Fougner | http://xkcd.com/215/ |
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| 23:39.22 | Fougner | int getRandomNumber() |
| 23:39.23 | Fougner | { |
| 23:39.23 | Fougner | return 4; //chosen by fair dice roll, guaranteed to be random. |
| 23:39.23 | Fougner | } |
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| 23:46.47 | CVirus | oldies |
| 23:49.38 | kd8ikt | xkcd 135 |
| 23:54.20 | Fougner | LOL @ 135 |
| 23:54.29 | Fougner | and 249 xD |
| 23:54.58 | kd8ikt | ah nice android finally booted |
| 23:55.15 | kd8ikt | cool beans i see an android logo |
| 23:55.26 | Fougner | kd8ikt, TRAITOR! |
| 23:55.40 | kd8ikt | hey i have to try it |
| 23:56.00 | kd8ikt | wow me like |
| 23:57.27 | Fougner | :o |
| 23:57.29 | Fougner | is it good? |
| 23:59.46 | kd8ikt | lol it even beeps dtmf when i dial |
