| 00:00.11 | Tetracomm | Are there any OpenMoko emulators that will work in Qtemu? |
| 00:00.31 | SpeedEvil | qtemu? |
| 00:00.36 | SpeedEvil | you mean qemu? |
| 00:02.03 | Tetracomm | No, Qtemu. |
| 00:02.07 | Tetracomm | with the GUI. |
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| 00:03.25 | SpeedEvil | No idea. |
| 00:03.33 | SpeedEvil | It works in qemu. |
| 00:03.39 | SpeedEvil | (though I've not used it) |
| 00:06.31 | tdobson | anyone fancy looking over my fdom-centric om presentation? |
| 00:06.49 | tdobson | willannouce it to lists a little bit later on |
| 00:07.03 | fookrquaker | wassup |
| 00:07.17 | tdobson | http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/presentation/ |
| 00:08.43 | SpeedEvil | yay 3310 |
| 00:09.16 | SpeedEvil | (and you can use the screen in assorted electronics hardware) |
| 00:13.41 | leinirAWAY | tdobson: It's called Qt, not QT ;) |
| 00:14.09 | leinirAWAY | (The QT thing is an abreviation for something that fruit company in Californianland makes ;) ) |
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| 00:16.00 | leinirAWAY | Other than that it doesn't look bad :) |
| 00:16.55 | leinirAWAY | The content is debatable, of course, but that's not what you asked for feedback on, and i'm on my way to bed, so i can't really do much commenting on that anyway right now ;) |
| 00:19.52 | d-b | poh some one got andriod onto the freerunner neat. |
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| 00:20.14 | borg_ | link? |
| 00:22.09 | d-b | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 |
| 00:25.39 | tdobson | leinirAWAY: thanks anyway :) |
| 00:26.33 | tdobson | pushes to list |
| 00:27.36 | techiem2-r | mozilla spelled wrong. |
| 00:27.37 | techiem2-r | :) |
| 00:28.12 | techiem2-r | other than that cool |
| 00:28.13 | techiem2-r | hehe |
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| 00:46.29 | jonkristian | hirrhirr |
| 00:52.44 | slaxxin | hrmmmm waiting on fso m4 an debian |
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| 00:56.22 | jonkristian | :) |
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| 00:57.10 | jonkristian | I wan't something new, something open, something borrowed something..... helooMoKO |
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| 01:01.52 | mwester | takes away jonkristian's beer, and suggests it's time to find a taxi home. :p |
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| 01:20.42 | jonkristian | :D |
| 01:21.07 | jonkristian | Time to put on a video and sleep in:) |
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| 02:35.23 | recluze | hi all.... I have a query regarding openmoko and apache Harmony class library for java. Has anyone had harmony running with any VM within gta02? |
| 02:45.09 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r2652c7b0ebc4 10/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: xserver-kdrive-glamo: make xserver-kdrive a virtual package |
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| 03:01.27 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r1f497b5515e2 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: |
| 03:01.27 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Properly encode and decode the address in gsm default alphabet |
| 03:01.27 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: If the address is alphanumeric it's encoded in the 7-bit GSM default |
| 03:01.27 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: alphabet so handle encoding/decoding properly. |
| 03:01.48 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf6e583870213 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
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| 08:36.58 | m0nt0 | hi |
| 08:39.40 | BluesLee | hi |
| 08:39.48 | emilis_info | anyone knows what /media/card/qtopia_db.sqlite is for? |
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| 08:41.17 | BluesLee | emilis_info: you can use mysql to have a look into it. i guess it contains indormations concerning the stored data on the microsd card, like mp3s, images ... |
| 08:41.33 | emilis_info | yes |
| 08:41.50 | emilis_info | but why is it needed? Isn't filesystem enough for that? |
| 08:42.12 | m0nt0 | th fs isn't fast as the sqlite db is |
| 08:42.21 | emilis_info | hmm |
| 08:42.38 | m0nt0 | so it's a good thing, in the wrong place in my opinion |
| 08:42.40 | BluesLee | emilis_info: think of a kind of thumbnails prescan |
| 08:42.56 | cjb_ie | so where is the right place? |
| 08:43.04 | emilis_info | hmm |
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| 08:44.02 | m0nt0 | cjb_ie: no sorry, thinking about it it's in the right place, i was thinking putting it in flash, but if you write too much to that db the flash mem will be consumed |
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| 08:44.13 | m0nt0 | so it's in the right place |
| 08:44.14 | m0nt0 | §:D |
| 08:44.47 | m0nt0 | anyone know any news on the WSoD? |
| 08:45.15 | emilis_info | drmFlags INTEGER |
| 08:45.20 | cjb_ie | m0nt0: also think of what happens if you put different cards in your phone... each should really have its own db |
| 08:45.25 | emilis_info | I feel offended |
| 08:45.37 | emilis_info | wasn't this supposed to be a free phone |
| 08:45.40 | emilis_info | and all that |
| 08:45.41 | emilis_info | :) |
| 08:46.48 | m0nt0 | cjb_ie: yeah thinking about it it's in the right place, it's quit annoying that you cannot simply umount the sd partition because that file is used but it's ok, i don't use qt or qte |
| 08:47.31 | emilis_info | The name of the file could be different IMHO |
| 08:47.37 | BluesLee | m0nt0: i think only the first partition is scanned |
| 08:47.46 | m0nt0 | yeah i know |
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| 08:48.04 | emilis_info | I wanted to backup my contacts DB. Guess what would have happened if I tried to just copy it into /media/card |
| 08:48.07 | BluesLee | m0nt0: there should be no problem using a small 1st partition |
| 08:48.26 | m0nt0 | but if you want to umount it you have to do somethink like kill xserver-nodm :D |
| 08:48.51 | m0nt0 | (don't want to know what process use that file,) |
| 08:49.52 | BluesLee | m0nt0: okay, you are using 2008.x |
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| 08:50.45 | m0nt0 | no, i'm using FSO or debian, i'd like to use them but i'm a poor guy affcted by the WSoD so the neo isn't my phone at least for now |
| 08:51.24 | Phobiac | Hi. I was interested in buying a Freerunner, but I wanted to ask two questions. I looked in the wiki and there's reports of the sim card I currently have both working and not working, I was wondering how big of an issue sim compatibility currently is? I also wanted to know how well it works as a phone? |
| 08:51.57 | m0nt0 | the WSoD before was given only at suspend time, now it appears also if the screen is off so i can't keep the phone running for a good amount of hours with no suspend and the screen on |
| 08:51.57 | BluesLee | m0nt0: i see. i dont use teh freerunner for my daily phone because of the poor gsm audio quality |
| 08:52.55 | m0nt0 | BluesLee: no i don't mind about that, with some alsa setting you could reach a quite good sound, at least for me |
| 08:53.16 | m0nt0 | let's say that the WSoD is THE blocker bug for me |
| 08:53.19 | BluesLee | m0nt0: its hard to calibrate the handset file |
| 08:53.43 | BluesLee | m0nt0: i lost all of my friends since i own a freerunner;-) |
| 08:54.07 | BluesLee | BluesLee: chuck norris, jackie chan ... hehe |
| 08:54.24 | m0nt0 | BluesLee: yea i know, but it can be done, just ssh to FR make a friend call you explaining the situation, alsamixer and play with that |
| 08:54.25 | BluesLee | m0nt0: but your issue is a big one |
| 08:54.26 | emilis_info | hmm |
| 08:54.32 | m0nt0 | BluesLee: ahahahah i see |
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| 08:55.05 | m0nt0 | my wife is telling me that if she buy a phone she pretend at least that it will work as a phone |
| 08:55.27 | emilis_info | my wife threatened to throw my FR out the window :( |
| 08:55.32 | m0nt0 | but hey my FR does everything except being a phone :D |
| 08:55.36 | m0nt0 | ahahahahah |
| 08:55.43 | m0nt0 | teay are all the same |
| 08:55.47 | m0nt0 | *they |
| 08:55.48 | emilis_info | ;) |
| 08:55.50 | m0nt0 | :D |
| 08:55.54 | emilis_info | :D |
| 08:56.01 | BluesLee | m0nt0: the gsm audio quality is really hard to calibrate as it depends on many things, the environment, maybe the provider ... |
| 08:56.34 | m0nt0 | BluesLee: yeah i know but it can be quite good or at least acceptable |
| 08:56.46 | emilis_info | on the other hand, here I am, two days without anyone calling me, and I don't know if no one really called, or the latest image I installed fscked up gsm again... |
| 08:56.56 | m0nt0 | ahahahahah |
| 08:57.06 | cjb_ie | i wonder if distance from cell (audio lag) is a factor |
| 08:57.08 | m0nt0 | emilis_info: good no? |
| 08:57.10 | BluesLee | okay, will play a little bit |
| 08:57.22 | cjb_ie | or delays within the cell network |
| 08:57.25 | emilis_info | I guess I have to go call myself from my wife's phone ) |
| 08:57.27 | emilis_info | :) |
| 08:57.28 | m0nt0 | may be ii'll put FR as my work phone, ahhh a good relaxing day |
| 08:57.58 | emilis_info | actually gsm disconnects are the only blocker for me |
| 08:58.26 | emilis_info | audio quallity is not that much of an issue -- other people complain, but I hear them fine |
| 08:58.28 | emilis_info | :) |
| 08:58.40 | m0nt0 | but just to understand the WSoD is because there are different hardware revisions? |
| 08:58.51 | emilis_info | but I had gsm disconnects with all images I tried (2007, FSO, 2008.8) |
| 08:59.00 | emilis_info | maybe it is a HW issue... |
| 08:59.14 | m0nt0 | emilis_info: qtextended and mwester kernel? |
| 08:59.32 | emilis_info | m0nt0, haven't tried |
| 08:59.37 | emilis_info | where do I get these? |
| 08:59.52 | emilis_info | currently I use latest FDOM |
| 08:59.55 | Ke | "my wife is telling me that if she buy a phone she pretend at least that it will work as a phone" |
| 09:00.05 | Ke | why do women hate open source =o( |
| 09:01.02 | hipitihop | Ke, I don't think they hate opensource as such, but thaey are far more practical then we tend to be, they expect basic reliable functionality, go figure :-) |
| 09:01.25 | m0nt0 | ke, i don't know but at the last virus she took on her pc i've deleted also the biggest virus and installed linux, she sometimes complain about something but she is quite satisfied of it's pc now |
| 09:02.16 | emilis_info | yes, linux is good for my wife too |
| 09:02.17 | emilis_info | :D |
| 09:02.32 | emilis_info | I simply refused to support windows |
| 09:02.33 | m0nt0 | emilis_info: look at the community ml, someone made some fixes to that image, it's qt extended 4.4.2 distro and the kernel is at http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels |
| 09:03.41 | m0nt0 | i have to play with users and windows also on servers for work, at least at home i'd like to be comfortable using pc and fixing some things that could happend wit a detailed problem description in the log |
| 09:04.10 | BluesLee | m0nt0: no great deal what hypnotize made there |
| 09:04.24 | m0nt0 | not just a blue screen or something like "hey i'm not working, try to reboot, if the problem persist try to guess where it is" |
| 09:05.29 | BluesLee | m0nt0: qtextended sucks, the last 3 images from lpotter get worse, sure there are kernel issues like echo but a lot of gui issues are also there |
| 09:05.50 | m0nt0 | BluesLee: that why i'm not using it :D |
| 09:06.04 | BluesLee | m0nt0: i am really disappointed concerning qtextented |
| 09:06.36 | m0nt0 | i like the lorn work but i don't like qte, no x support and some bad bugs in the latest images |
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| 09:06.50 | BluesLee | m0nt0: i dont mind that everything is open source so qtextended was a good compromise if it would work properly |
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| 09:07.18 | BluesLee | m0nt0: but lorn should do some tests before releasing |
| 09:07.23 | m0nt0 | let's wait for android, may be it will work quite good |
| 09:07.45 | BluesLee | m0nt0: you cant make calls with the latest 4.3.2 |
| 09:07.47 | m0nt0 | but i'm really really waiting for FSO MS4 |
| 09:08.05 | BluesLee | m0nt0: so he shouldnt release it ... |
| 09:08.16 | BluesLee | m0nt0: i tested android;-) |
| 09:08.29 | m0nt0 | me too, not so bad |
| 09:08.34 | BluesLee | yeah |
| 09:08.39 | m0nt0 | at least to be the first port |
| 09:08.43 | BluesLee | but i cant turn of my pin |
| 09:08.52 | BluesLee | so i couldnt test gsm |
| 09:10.29 | m0nt0 | :D |
| 09:10.46 | BluesLee | m0nt0: did you made calls? |
| 09:10.56 | m0nt0 | no |
| 09:11.42 | m0nt0 | gsm was working but i didn't try the call because everythin else was slow and couldn't be used so i gave up |
| 09:12.13 | m0nt0 | well i think i need to go, need to clean home |
| 09:12.17 | BluesLee | for me it wasnt slow |
| 09:12.21 | BluesLee | okay |
| 09:12.23 | BluesLee | cu |
| 09:12.23 | m0nt0 | see ya later |
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| 09:21.08 | KeenObserver | hi |
| 09:22.10 | KeenObserver | has any one used jikes with Harmony class libraries on openmoko |
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| 09:31.51 | KeenObserver | has anyone installed jikes VM on openmoko |
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| 09:35.56 | KeenObserver | hello |
| 09:36.00 | KeenObserver | anybody there |
| 09:36.14 | drscream | mhh yep :-) good morning |
| 09:37.55 | KeenObserver | do you know anything about jikes which is an opensource VM for java |
| 09:38.35 | drscream | no sorry, i've never heard about this |
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| 09:41.27 | F4t | does debian have a package of it? :) |
| 09:42.02 | drscream | i know gentoo have a packege ;-) |
| 09:42.28 | Wonka | http://packages.debian.org/jikes |
| 09:42.37 | F4t | yep... |
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| 09:43.07 | F4t | does look like its a vm, its just a compiler... no? |
| 09:43.11 | F4t | doesnt* |
| 09:44.11 | Wonka | http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/ does not exist, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/jikes/ has no armel .deb |
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| 09:47.49 | F4t | http://packages.debian.org/sid/jamvm <- this seems to be a VM |
| 09:48.01 | F4t | and has an armel package |
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| 09:48.24 | F4t | this also: http://packages.debian.org/sid/sablevm |
| 09:48.33 | KeenObserver | Hi |
| 09:48.58 | F4t | hi |
| 09:49.22 | KeenObserver | do you know how to install a VM on openmoko |
| 09:49.37 | F4t | VM of what? java? |
| 09:49.44 | KeenObserver | yes java |
| 09:50.01 | F4t | i know how to install one on debian |
| 09:50.30 | F4t | apt-get install sablevm |
| 09:50.57 | KeenObserver | does sablevm work with Harmony class libraries |
| 09:51.15 | KeenObserver | actually i dont want to use sun's propreitary class libraries |
| 09:51.32 | F4t | i dont know.. |
| 09:57.03 | KeenObserver | thank you "F4t" |
| 09:57.55 | KeenObserver | does anyone know how to install Harmony on openmoko |
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| 10:11.18 | bove2 | are there any GUI text editors in the standard repositories? |
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| 10:14.06 | bove2 | Im trying to compile Scite, but run into a lot of problems |
| 10:14.48 | ronny | hmm, every time i hear Scite i want to stab people |
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| 10:15.02 | ronny | (i did read the source, now i hate) |
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| 10:16.28 | bove2 | oh? |
| 10:17.39 | bove2 | the whole scintilla part or just scite itself? I've been using flos's Notepad2 for w32, and I'm trying to find something similar for the freerunner |
| 10:21.07 | ronny | bove2: the whole scintilla part |
| 10:21.43 | bove2 | so are there any better options out there? |
| 10:22.09 | ronny | gtksourceview seems to be evolving into a acceptable option |
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| 10:23.38 | ronny | i dont think there is a sane way to to serious text editing on the frerunner tho |
| 10:23.52 | ronny | its a fscking mobile, not a notebook |
| 10:24.57 | leinirAWAY | katepart? |
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| 10:25.19 | leinirAWAY | ronny: Bah, this thing is roughly ten times as powerful as my first laptop ;) |
| 10:25.38 | ronny | leinirAWAY: it lacks keyboard and screen sizz |
| 10:25.46 | cjb_ie | but how does the screen resolution compare? |
| 10:25.47 | bove2 | I just got a foldable BT keyboard. Works wonderful |
| 10:26.02 | ronny | screen size is a pain |
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| 10:26.40 | ronny | i'd go as far as declaring its eye-dammaging to do serious editing with a screen at that size |
| 10:27.56 | bove2 | but another thing is ssh -X into the freerunner to do scripting/programming more easily |
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| 10:28.47 | ronny | hmm, i'#d just mount it |
| 10:29.54 | bove2 | mount it as scp? |
| 10:30.15 | ronny | mount as sshfs |
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| 10:47.47 | bove2 | thanks for the tip ronny |
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| 11:34.16 | bove2 | are there any gxmessage/xmessage or similar apps in t repos? |
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| 11:42.56 | F4t | whats the best text editor with syntax highlight for as many languages as possible for gtk+/xfce...? |
| 11:43.00 | CIA-51 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4774 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: patch to manually suspend and disabled wifi courtesy reddog. closes Om ticket #1365 |
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| 11:48.07 | m0nt0 | F4t: gvim :D |
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| 11:55.42 | F4t | m0nt0, vim isnt exactly easy to use... |
| 11:56.01 | m0nt0 | F4t: hey Gvim has the gtk :D |
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| 11:56.10 | F4t | bah, if only someone ported notepad++ :( |
| 11:56.16 | m0nt0 | :D |
| 11:57.30 | BobOfDoom | hmm... "Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32 API and STL" |
| 11:57.35 | BobOfDoom | that'd be a "fun" port |
| 11:57.41 | m0nt0 | lol |
| 11:57.46 | m0nt0 | wine notepad++ |
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| 11:58.14 | BobOfDoom | except it's x86 ;) |
| 11:58.21 | BobOfDoom | wine + qemu.. maybe |
| 11:58.24 | BobOfDoom | but that's gonna be slow |
| 11:58.31 | BobOfDoom | or maybe you could link it against wine and recompile |
| 11:58.36 | m0nt0 | BobOfDoom: well another funny port! |
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| 11:59.40 | ccfly | hello ! :> |
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| 13:35.37 | TAsnn | does anyone where can i get the package for the libmokoui2 python bindings? |
| 13:35.44 | TAsnn | cause i remember there are ones. |
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| 13:48.17 | Fougner_ | TAsnn, hi :D |
| 13:51.42 | TAsnn | Fougner_, sup? |
| 13:52.18 | Fougner_ | points up |
| 13:52.23 | TAsnn | way up? |
| 13:52.56 | Fougner_ | TAsnn, nothing really.. need to tidy up some here.. you? |
| 13:53.21 | TAsnn | wrote a couple of nice apps in the last 24hrs |
| 13:53.44 | TAsnn | though i did it in account of my homework assignments which is not good ;] |
| 13:54.16 | Fougner_ | :o |
| 13:54.19 | Fougner_ | language? |
| 13:54.55 | Fougner_ | TAsnn, above ;D |
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| 13:56.10 | TAsnn | python |
| 13:56.21 | Fougner_ | TAsnn, yay, you're good? |
| 13:56.30 | TAsnn | nah |
| 13:56.40 | TAsnn | actually learned that for moko use a couple of months ago |
| 13:57.01 | TAsnn | ;] |
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| 13:57.24 | TAsnn | though i had little time to practice, had only a tad of spare time lately. |
| 13:57.35 | TAsnn | anyhow, it does what it's supposed to do. ;] |
| 13:57.55 | TAsnn | mostly anyway. |
| 13:58.03 | Fougner_ | what apps did you code then? =P |
| 13:59.09 | TAsnn | one is a simple hackish usbhost mode/bt/wifi/gsm/gprs controller |
| 13:59.10 | nicfer | http://gizmodo.com/5070738/openmoko-gta02-handset-rumored-to-join-the-android-party are you going to launch the freerunner with android? |
| 13:59.28 | TAsnn | that just interacts with the framework |
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| 14:00.01 | Fougner_ | wow, cool.. that way I can have one app for turning on all communications on the FR? :D |
| 14:00.03 | TAsnn | and the second is a daemon that keeps track of phone calls and has dbus bindings to read from it. |
| 14:00.08 | TAsnn | Fougner_, aye.. |
| 14:00.17 | TAsnn | and a gui to read data from this daemon ;] |
| 14:00.19 | Fougner_ | woh.. sounds nice |
| 14:00.23 | TAsnn | so i got phone log and power control. |
| 14:00.29 | TAsnn | you can have the packs if you like. |
| 14:00.42 | TAsnn | already packed it. |
| 14:00.49 | TAsnn | it's beta though (the packages{ |
| 14:00.52 | TAsnn | it's beta though (the packages) |
| 14:01.14 | TAsnn | so im not sure if there will be permissions/dependencies errors. |
| 14:01.26 | Fougner_ | hehe, beta =D I don't know what to do with that packs anyway :P |
| 14:01.41 | TAsnn | opkg install *.ipk ;] |
| 14:01.50 | TAsnn | damn, something is not working right ;\ |
| 14:01.54 | TAsnn | back to the drawing board. |
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| 14:03.59 | TAsnn | i really don't get it |
| 14:04.13 | TAsnn | everything seems to be fine though it still doesn't start at boot time. |
| 14:04.17 | TAsnn | oh i have an idea. |
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| 14:05.48 | Fougner_ | TAsnn, haha, you have a monologue? ^^ |
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| 14:06.16 | TAsnn | ;] |
| 14:10.45 | TAsnn | Fougner_, let's hope everything will work ;] |
| 14:11.05 | Fougner_ | iihihihihi |
| 14:11.09 | Fougner_ | rTorrent |
| 14:11.10 | Fougner_ | )D |
| 14:11.12 | Fougner_ | =D* |
| 14:11.18 | Fougner_ | you code something more except Py? |
| 14:13.39 | TAsnn | i can |
| 14:14.33 | TAsnn | though i don't (not for the moko anyway, although i wrote something in c for the moko a couple of months back) |
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| 14:19.40 | Elrond | Hi people. :) |
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| 14:22.23 | people | Hi Elrond (-= |
| 14:23.31 | TAsnn | Fougner_, it's working ;] |
| 14:23.41 | Elrond | Hi johngay |
| 14:23.43 | TAsnn | i found the stupid mistake. |
| 14:24.09 | Elrond | Does anyone remember the short circuit problem of the gta01bv03? I need some docs on it. |
| 14:24.23 | Fougner_ | TAsnn, what was it? =) |
| 14:24.25 | johngay | Anyone know if there's a root tarball for qtExt-4.4.2 yet? |
| 14:26.00 | TAsnn | it's a daemon so i had to start it in the boot sequence. i wanted it to start quite soon though it had to be started after the framework because it's using a few APIs form that. till now i accidentally told my daemon to start before the framework one. |
| 14:26.07 | Staticwave_Ace | johngay: just convert the jffs file |
| 14:26.30 | Fougner_ | TAsnn, would you like to start an IRC-channel with me? :P |
| 14:26.32 | TAsnn | which is annoying because i was aware what the problem was, though i misread the number a couple of times before i realized ;] |
| 14:26.42 | TAsnn | Fougner_, why would you want to do that? |
| 14:26.49 | Fougner_ | TAsnn, haha, I don't konw |
| 14:26.51 | Fougner_ | for fun |
| 14:26.55 | johngay | I don't have the modules on my LFS box and I'm too lazy to re-build it just to extract jffs files. |
| 14:27.00 | Fougner_ | learn how to use eggdrop |
| 14:27.15 | TAsnn | i don't have the time nor the will to open an irc chan ;] |
| 14:27.35 | TAsnn | all the afternoon i told you im wasting my time on moko apps when i should be studying ;] |
| 14:27.49 | Fougner_ | neither have I ^^ |
| 14:28.07 | Fougner_ | well that's a kind of studying ^^ |
| 14:28.16 | Fougner_ | got to go for a moment.. wax the car :P |
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| 14:30.55 | TAsnn | i should wax the car as well actually |
| 14:30.58 | TAsnn | im loosing my paint |
| 14:31.01 | TAsnn | though im too lazy ;] |
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| 14:46.35 | yabo | hai, dent. Did you play any more with gcc yesterday? |
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| 14:50.46 | yabo | what toolchain do i want? I am on x86, and i want to compile general software for my phone. |
| 14:51.05 | yabo | http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/openmoko-x86_64-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2 |
| 14:51.07 | yabo | this one? |
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| 14:52.13 | yabo | oh |
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| 14:52.23 | yabo | 686 is x86 |
| 14:55.32 | yabo | nvm me |
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| 15:00.29 | johngay | ljp around? |
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| 15:08.35 | Fougner_ | TAsnn, haha okay |
| 15:08.42 | Fougner_ | hi yabo! = |
| 15:08.43 | Fougner_ | =D * |
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| 15:11.23 | yabo | hai Fougner_ |
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| 15:11.32 | yabo | brb, going to try the toolchain |
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| 15:29.06 | jonkristian | Hrm, is there a speaker function on the fr? Like, when receiving calls, i can put them on a speaker? |
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| 15:32.41 | Blackhex | Hello, how to do "make update" with MokoMakefile when I have some local modifications? |
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| 15:33.00 | slaxxin | wassa |
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| 15:38.08 | Blackhex | anyone? |
| 15:40.51 | BluesLee | anyone what? |
| 15:41.19 | Blackhex | anyone know how to perfomr make update with mokomakefile when some packages has local modifications? |
| 15:41.22 | lindi- | sudo find /sys /proc | grep 'event4/device/name' |
| 15:41.32 | lindi- | does not find anything but cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/input/input4/event4/device/name prints 'GTA02 PMU events' |
| 15:42.20 | lindi- | ah, symlink |
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| 15:45.13 | Blackhex | It's so essential that someone should know, in other words: How do you checkout changes from other developers when you are changing something in openembedded package tree? |
| 15:45.48 | mwester | Blackhex: git |
| 15:46.39 | Blackhex | mwester: ok I'm not familiar with git, I found that git pull shoud do that but It gives me error: Entry 'conf/checksums.ini' not uptodate. Cannot merge. |
| 15:47.35 | Blackhex | I'm basically looking for svn update alternative |
| 15:47.37 | mwester | Blackhex: there are numerous tutorials for git on the web -- the openembedded wiki even has a git phrasebook. |
| 15:48.11 | mwester | You probably need to investigate the use of the rebase argument to git. |
| 15:48.15 | Blackhex | mwester: I know, I searched them first but git terminology is so different from svn that I can't understand |
| 15:48.18 | balrog-k1n | Blackhex: git pull is this.. but it can't merge files that have both local and remote modification |
| 15:48.25 | balrog-k1n | svn update couldn't either |
| 15:48.45 | Blackhex | so can I update only those files that are not modified locally? |
| 15:49.24 | balrog-k1n | Blackhex: that are not modified locally and modified remotely at the same time |
| 15:49.28 | balrog-k1n | is conf/checksums.ini autogenerated? |
| 15:49.56 | Blackhex | balrog-k1n: no it has my modifications but I want to update everything except my modifications |
| 15:50.11 | balrog-k1n | Blackhex: try this: |
| 15:50.27 | balrog-k1n | git diff > my-changes |
| 15:50.33 | mwester | checksums.ini is not auto generated; if it is modified locally then it will conflict. |
| 15:50.42 | balrog-k1n | patch -p 1 -R < my-changes |
| 15:50.45 | balrog-k1n | git pull |
| 15:50.48 | balrog-k1n | patch -p 1 < my-changes |
| 15:51.05 | Blackhex | balrog-k1n: hmm thanks, I was affraid this is the only way :-( |
| 15:51.25 | balrog-k1n | most of the time git is smart enough that you don't need to do that.. |
| 15:51.29 | balrog-k1n | but i've never used it with OE |
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| 15:52.19 | mwester | That's basically what the rebase does. |
| 15:52.44 | mwester | But it sounds like there's a merge conflict with checksums.ini (which is very common; it's an oft-updated file). |
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| 15:53.51 | Blackhex | IIRC svn up proceeds with svn up even with conlifcts bit it generates file.ref and file.orig files to resolve conflicts manually |
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| 15:54.24 | balrog-k1n | Blackhex: git does that too.. but i think the chnages need to be committed already |
| 15:54.58 | Blackhex | that's a real pain when you don't have commit rights :-) |
| 15:55.23 | balrog-k1n | Blackhex: you always have commit rights to your local copy :-) |
| 15:55.57 | Blackhex | balrog-k1n: then I don't understand the words "need to be commited" |
| 15:56.20 | Blackhex | commit is publicizing your changes (svn commit) |
| 15:56.26 | balrog-k1n | Blackhex: i.e. need to not show in git diff |
| 15:56.30 | mwester | different model |
| 15:56.40 | mwester | git allows you to check in (commit) locally |
| 15:56.49 | balrog-k1n | Blackhex: nope, that's only in centralised revision systems, i.e. with one repository |
| 15:56.56 | mwester | so you have all the benefits of an SCM tool even if you cannot push your changes to the master repos. |
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| 15:57.20 | balrog-k1n | in git every checkout is a new respository |
| 15:57.25 | Blackhex | mwester: hmm ok, it's getting little complicated though |
| 15:58.12 | mwester | No, it's not complicated at all ;) It's just that it's a different way of looking at things -- once you get past that, it really is pretty simple. |
| 15:58.30 | balrog-k1n | once you get yourself out of the '90s :p |
| 15:58.40 | mwester | The biggest problem for me was to forget everything I thought I knew about svn, cvs, etc. |
| 15:58.54 | Blackhex | all right, I' ll study git closely, thanks |
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| 15:59.01 | mwester | It'll be worth it. |
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| 16:00.23 | BluesLee | mwester: i saw your kernel git, nice idea |
| 16:01.08 | mwester | :) Got any patches to commit? |
| 16:02.05 | BluesLee | mwester: :-) sorry, i am not a developer ... |
| 16:02.38 | BluesLee | mwester: but i see that it is very important for the community |
| 16:02.41 | mwester | I haven't done a whole lot with it lately, been busy on other things. But hopefully we can get some kernel stuff going soon too. |
| 16:03.43 | mwester | I'm deeply disappointed with the lack of progress on the WSoD problem. Either Openmoko is not spending any time on this problem, or the problem is proving to be impossible to fix. Neither choice is good. :( |
| 16:04.10 | lindi- | mwester: i have never hit it |
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| 16:04.25 | lindi- | like, never ever |
| 16:04.29 | mwester | Nor have I. Only some hardware exhibits this problem. |
| 16:04.36 | BluesLee | mwester: only once |
| 16:05.01 | lindi- | any idea why hitting AUX prints ^@ to "cat" running in xterm? |
| 16:05.15 | BluesLee | mwester: i thought roh is working on that |
| 16:05.24 | mwester | It seems likely that it is dependent upon the actual glamo silicon, and someone reported that it is correlated with termperature. |
| 16:05.27 | mwester | roh? |
| 16:05.40 | mwester | I haven't heard from him in months, I figured he left Om. |
| 16:05.54 | mwester | Andy claims to be working on this. |
| 16:06.06 | mwester | But all I see are an endless stream of GTA03-related commits from Andy. |
| 16:06.17 | emilis_info | doh... after spending whole day trying to import gmail contacts into FR, now I understand I'm doing it all wrong... :) |
| 16:06.31 | mwester | Which makes me worry about the supposed "commitment" from Om to solve the GTA02 and stability problems. |
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| 16:08.36 | BluesLee | mwester: maybe i am confused concerning roh ... i read that mickey got one neo with the wsod and forwarded it |
| 16:09.55 | ronny | hmm, if om continues to suck i'll just drop out |
| 16:10.07 | BluesLee | mwester: gta03, thats another story |
| 16:10.58 | BluesLee | mwester: i hope om doesn not make similar mistakes with gta03 |
| 16:13.07 | dingman | I rather hope one of the distros gets full functionality on the gta02. If I can't get to the point of actually using my gta02 as a phone, my next one will be a Googlephone, even if I do think OM is more open. |
| 16:13.51 | dingman | Looking at FSO on mine does start to make me think the software might have come along far enough that I could learn to write something useful for it. |
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| 16:23.17 | lindi- | googlephone will probably include all proprietary apps by google? ;) |
| 16:23.55 | emilis_info | who needs another java phone :) |
| 16:25.03 | mwester | Exactly. That's why we need to get these problems fixed in the GTA02 |
| 16:26.39 | lindi- | emilis_info: it uses C to parse AT protocol |
| 16:28.07 | emilis_info | yes, but if the whole application infrastructure is based on java, then it is not a phone I want :) |
| 16:28.09 | mwester | Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that if you wish to interact with the user, you must write it in Java using the android gui libs. |
| 16:28.53 | emilis_info | I want to use terminal, python, bash, whatever I'm used to on my linux machine |
| 16:29.09 | mwester | You're rather unlikely to be able to get numpty physics to run on android, for example. |
| 16:29.40 | lindi- | just port the android AT parser to debian |
| 16:29.51 | mwester | why? |
| 16:30.44 | lindi- | mwester: cause it might receive calls more reliably? |
| 16:30.51 | mwester | really? |
| 16:31.20 | lindi- | i thought you said i'd be more reliable |
| 16:31.25 | emilis_info | are there any tests? |
| 16:32.19 | mwester | lindi-: I don't think I would say that. I've been trying to get people to understand that very few of the major problems with the FR will actually be solved by Android. |
| 16:32.44 | lindi- | mwester: yeah wifi issue at least won't |
| 16:33.07 | BluesLee | mwester: thats clear as they wil use more or less the same kernel |
| 16:33.08 | mwester | WSoD won't, GSM bugs 1024 and 666 won't, |
| 16:33.23 | mwester | charging won't |
| 16:33.32 | mwester | discharge-to-death won't |
| 16:33.59 | mwester | and I could go on about all the other big problems that cannot be fixed by Android. |
| 16:34.04 | BluesLee | mwester: i thought i had that yesterday testing android, could not load the battery for hours |
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| 16:34.31 | mwester | Don't get me wrong, Android is good stuff -- we just need for people to have realistic expectations. The problems are primarily hardware, device-driver, and kernel. |
| 16:34.53 | dingman | which is below the Android layer, essentially. Right? |
| 16:35.01 | mwester | Yes. |
| 16:36.08 | mwester | Some of the issues actually go below the kernel even -- the GSM buzz, for example. |
| 16:36.36 | lindi- | and the proprietary software running on the other arm processor |
| 16:36.40 | dingman | It's also, unfortunately, below the level at which I have any skill to donate. I max out my kernel-foo with backporting a driver from one version to another - and I can only pull that one off in the pathetically easy case. |
| 16:36.51 | mwester | But if Openmoko continues to work on these problems, and delivers work-arounds for them, then Android will be a very good option for users to work with. :) |
| 16:38.17 | dingman | I'm mostly not experiencing those problems. I just need userspace-level improvements so I can do things like pair my gta02 with my car and answer the phone from the button on the steering wheel. |
| 16:38.26 | mwester | dingman: testing is good -- for example, the SHR folks are looking for feedback on the latest builds. There is also a shortage of usable bug reports (lots of un-usable ones -- lacking detail or specifics). |
| 16:39.15 | dingman | mwester, do you have a sense of which userspace stack has the most steam? |
| 16:39.25 | mwester | I'm very biased. |
| 16:39.42 | dingman | Your kernels seem to make most of them work better... |
| 16:40.59 | dingman | I generally like the idea of any stack that uses X, but other than that I just wish there were one to focus bug reports and learning the API on. |
| 16:41.02 | mwester | FSO is the best longterm framework, and SHR is the most advanced stack for that. Qt Extended is the best "phone" stack out there at the moment. Android is vaporware, and enjoys lots of publicity -- and might be a winner but there's no real evidence one way or another on that. |
| 16:41.39 | lindi- | i'd only need a really simple program that talks to /dev/ttySAC0 and lets me answer and make calls |
| 16:41.40 | mwester | For X, the solution is FSO/SHR. |
| 16:41.49 | mwester | lindi-: FSO |
| 16:41.54 | dingman | Does SHR have testable releases? Right now I'm dual-booting Qt and FSO m3 |
| 16:41.55 | mwester | with mickeyterm |
| 16:42.09 | lindi- | mwester: i use debian with fso-frameworkd right now but i have hard time debugging frameworkd |
| 16:42.16 | lindi- | mwester: since it has so much going on |
| 16:42.16 | mwester | dingman: testable, yes -- not yet released though. |
| 16:42.37 | dingman | I can handle testable. Especially if I can test from uSD. |
| 16:42.54 | mwester | I asked yesterday; they have the tar file image for SD card install. |
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| 16:43.22 | mwester | Check the wiki for info, the download is from bearstech IIRC. |
| 16:44.23 | dingman | Thanks. |
| 16:44.26 | mwester | lindi-: there is no such thing as a "simple" program that can do dialing, ringing, answering, and all the other stuff involved in the GSM -- it's a complicated thing to drive. |
| 16:45.20 | lindi- | mwester: sure but i don't want to have display brightness control in the same program :) |
| 16:45.40 | mwester | it's not. |
| 16:45.55 | lindi- | '/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/frameworkd' does it all? |
| 16:45.56 | mwester | It's a set of lots of little programs talking on dbus. |
| 16:46.07 | lindi- | but they are the same process here |
| 16:46.08 | mwester | Yeah, they're all glommed into one python script. |
| 16:46.11 | johngay | Hey mwester! |
| 16:46.13 | mwester | That's for efficeincy |
| 16:46.35 | lindi- | so if one of them goes to infinite loop i can't answer gsm calls |
| 16:46.38 | F4t | python rulez |
| 16:46.53 | mwester | lindi-: and does that happen often? |
| 16:47.19 | lindi- | mwester: about once a week i am unable to make a call or receive it |
| 16:47.23 | emilis_info | why one python script is faster than many modules? |
| 16:47.32 | jonkristian | python might rule, but it's responsible for 90% of all breakage on my system. |
| 16:47.39 | emilis_info | I mean once you load them into memorry, is there any slowdown? |
| 16:47.40 | mwester | lindi-: once a week is darned good!!! Mine don't stay running that long. |
| 16:47.57 | lindi- | mwester: but the thing is that i don't understand how to debug it |
| 16:48.03 | lindi- | mwester: that's why i don't like it :) |
| 16:48.05 | mwester | lindi-: Ok |
| 16:48.22 | mwester | lindi-: you could resurect the old gsmd from 2007.2 ... |
| 16:48.23 | lindi- | pydb can not attach to a running proces |
| 16:48.27 | lindi- | mwester: i did |
| 16:48.30 | mwester | Godo. |
| 16:48.33 | mwester | er, good. |
| 16:48.34 | lindi- | mwester: but the UI for it wants pulseaudio :) |
| 16:48.42 | lindi- | which i have not resolved yet |
| 16:49.15 | mwester | so in order to avoid a little complication with FSO, you're going to create your own nightmare by bringing back that horror called pulseaudio??!! :D |
| 16:49.29 | lindi- | mwester: nope, i'd remove pulseaudio requirement from the UI |
| 16:50.20 | mwester | I guess it's just a matter of what you're familiar with. I loved the 2007.2 framework; it worked. But that's dead, and time to get over the greving -- FSO is the solution going forward. |
| 16:50.54 | lindi- | mwester: the idea behind freesmartphone.org is quite nice, i just need something really simple in the meantime :) |
| 16:51.32 | mwester | I guess if FSO won't do it for you, then nothing presently exists. :( At least of which I'm aware. |
| 16:52.09 | lindi- | mwester: "picocom /dev/ttySAC0" :) |
| 16:52.20 | mwester | Yeah, right. |
| 16:52.30 | mwester | go for it! |
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| 16:56.12 | lindi- | anyways, now i managed to disable odeviced.input and odeviced.idlenotifier |
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| 16:57.46 | lindi- | so i have less moving parts :) |
| 16:58.06 | johngay | I'm still running 2007.2, but I'm looking for a root tarball of qtExt-4.4.2 to test. |
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| 17:01.56 | Fougner_ | When I ran Qt-4.4.2 the batteryicon showed it was charging all the time.. known bug or something? |
| 17:05.44 | mbuf | when I try to mount my SD card, it says it is read-only, what could be the reason? |
| 17:05.55 | mbuf | from a 4-in-1 USB card reader |
| 17:07.36 | lindi- | mwester: what does it say exactly? |
| 17:07.42 | lindi- | mbuf: sorry |
| 17:08.46 | BluesLee | lindi-: you may use the jffs2 and convert it to tgz |
| 17:09.43 | lindi- | BluesLee: me? |
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| 17:12.08 | mbuf | lindi-: read-only filesystem |
| 17:12.29 | mbuf | lindi-: the adapter lock is not in "locked" state though; anyways, will update SD card from phone unit itself |
| 17:12.43 | BluesLee | johngay: you may use the jffs2 and convert it to tgz |
| 17:12.48 | BluesLee | lindi-: sorry |
| 17:13.15 | lindi- | mbuf: mount prints 'read-only filesystem'? |
| 17:18.45 | mbuf | lindi-: yes |
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| 17:19.13 | mbuf | lindi-: need to check; as of now using it on the device |
| 17:20.36 | mbuf | for FDOM, the .tar.gz should be extracted to a single partition, or /dev/mmcblk0p2 ? |
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| 17:22.25 | phobie | wouldn't it be usefull to use prelink? |
| 17:23.00 | mbuf | phobie: what's that? |
| 17:23.25 | phobie | a tool to prelink binaries to libs |
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| 17:23.56 | phobie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelink |
| 17:24.41 | phobie | it accelerates application startup |
| 17:24.48 | mbuf | ok |
| 17:25.20 | lindi- | apt-get install prelink :) |
| 17:25.23 | phobie | try apt-get install prelink on debian |
| 17:25.29 | phobie | hehe |
| 17:25.44 | lindi- | but it makes security checks using md5sums of binaries useless |
| 17:26.09 | phobie | lindi- who need that? |
| 17:26.12 | phobie | +s |
| 17:27.16 | lindi- | phobie: also for debugging purposes it is useful to check if two binaries are equal |
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| 17:32.55 | phobie | lindi-: it would just be good to have it as a opkg package |
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| 18:12.21 | nemik | i <3 mwester's site |
| 18:12.27 | nemik | good job on redesign |
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| 18:24.32 | phobie | If I shut down tangogps the gps will ve turned of. Why? |
| 18:24.57 | quickdev | phobie, on fso? |
| 18:25.12 | phobie | I get ConnectionStatusChanged to 0 and FixStatusChanged to 0 via dbus |
| 18:25.23 | phobie | yes fso from 6.11 |
| 18:26.03 | phobie | the same happens if I clode zhone-gps |
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| 18:26.42 | phobie | So if I want to restart tangogps, I have to start zhone-gps first... |
| 18:27.11 | phobie | s/clode/close/g |
| 18:28.46 | quickdev | phobie, if there's no gps consumer, the gps is not used and can be turned off ;) |
| 18:29.02 | quickdev | you have to request it with Usage.RequestResource('GPS') |
| 18:29.57 | phobie | Don't you think gps should always be on? |
| 18:30.06 | phobie | Or is that a power consumtion issue? |
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| 18:31.51 | quickdev | phobie, yes, power consumption |
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| 18:34.24 | phobie | can it be configured to stay on after the last using application disconnects? |
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| 18:57.51 | fredrin | what's up? |
| 18:58.06 | fredrin | any new fun things to do with the Neo today? |
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| 19:00.51 | BluesLee | i met the buzz, incredible issue |
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| 20:02.26 | ajuonline | whats the root password? default? for the FR .. the wiki says its blank. nothing happens |
| 20:03.15 | lindi- | ajuonline: default for what? |
| 20:03.27 | johngay | There is no root password ATM. |
| 20:03.44 | lindi- | i have root password |
| 20:03.47 | ajuonline | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 20:03.52 | ajuonline | i am setting up using this |
| 20:03.59 | ajuonline | and logging in to root |
| 20:04.06 | ajuonline | the password doesnt work |
| 20:04.15 | lindi- | ajuonline: it depends on what software you run there |
| 20:04.33 | ajuonline | lindi-: Qtopia? no ide what build. |
| 20:04.35 | ajuonline | i just got the phone |
| 20:04.54 | mwester | you broke it already! |
| 20:05.23 | mwester | double-check that you are doing ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 20:05.29 | mwester | You'll get a prompt. |
| 20:05.41 | ajuonline | yes |
| 20:05.43 | mwester | depress enter when prompted for that password -- should work. |
| 20:05.49 | ajuonline | mwester: that is what i am doing |
| 20:06.00 | ajuonline | pressing enter isnt working |
| 20:06.02 | ajuonline | lemme do that again |
| 20:06.28 | ajuonline | pressing enter does nothing and after 3 times |
| 20:06.29 | ajuonline | i get |
| 20:06.37 | ajuonline | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 20:06.42 | mwester | If not, then either you are connecting to a different host (which is the most common problem, network routing or such) or you have managed to get hold of an image with a root pw -- which would be a trick, since I don't konw of any that are built that way yet. |
| 20:07.14 | mwester | So my bet is that your routing tables are messed up for some reason, and you're not connecting to what you think you are. |
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| 20:13.05 | ajuonline | mwester: i know that system info shows your name :P |
| 20:13.20 | mwester | That's scarey. |
| 20:13.26 | mwester | scary? |
| 20:13.28 | mwester | sp? |
| 20:14.37 | ajuonline | mwester: i know i saw some system information. and mwester was mentioned there. |
| 20:15.04 | ajuonline | there was a conference at my college today, and i got this phone a while back , so I was playuing with it in the dark :P |
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| 20:17.36 | ajuonline | do i need to setup usb networking to flash it with latest qtopia image? |
| 20:18.17 | yabo | no, ajuonline |
| 20:18.49 | yabo | just plug in the phone and run dfu-util |
| 20:20.11 | ajuonline | apt-get dfu-util doesnt find any packages |
| 20:20.46 | tef | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
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| 20:23.16 | ajuonline | i am on ubuntu. so I need to add the debian repo to sources.list |
| 20:23.59 | ajuonline | ok i got a deb |
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| 20:29.47 | nemik | got it now ajuonline ? |
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| 20:36.43 | ajuonline | nemik: yes.. trying |
| 20:38.16 | ajuonline | ok its flashing now |
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| 20:44.34 | ajuonline | this process wont break the phone? |
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| 20:50.36 | phobie | no! |
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| 20:50.56 | phobie | ajuonline: but never falsh uboot! |
| 20:51.04 | phobie | flash |
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| 20:51.19 | ajuonline | ok |
| 20:53.07 | phobie | if a kernel or rootfs flash fails, your system is unbootable, but you can falsh again... |
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| 20:54.04 | phobie | flash ;) |
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| 20:54.27 | der-lehmann | you meen uboot in nor? |
| 20:54.47 | rooly | no i think he means kernel or rootfs |
| 20:55.02 | rooly | because the phone will not boot if it has nothing to boot |
| 20:55.56 | mwester | Actually, u-boot in the GTA02 is well-protected; you *cannot* render it unbootable without the debug board. |
| 20:56.03 | mwester | So no worries. |
| 20:56.14 | rooly | yupyup |
| 20:56.29 | mwester | (It will be a little inconvenient, but it won't be a brick -- I wish all devices were like that) |
| 20:56.37 | der-lehmann | but it is possible to flash the uboot in nand |
| 20:56.42 | mwester | Yes |
| 20:57.04 | der-lehmann | thts what i meen ;) |
| 20:57.25 | mwester | In fact, you can replace the u-boot in nand with the new Qi bootloader that is being developed for the GTA03 |
| 20:57.47 | mwester | Which (once it is working) will boot much faster... |
| 20:57.54 | der-lehmann | is it stable? |
| 20:58.01 | mwester | Not at all ;) |
| 20:58.13 | der-lehmann | but ready to test |
| 20:58.25 | phobie | mwester: I think it is always good to tell newbies to only flash kernel and rootfs |
| 20:58.31 | mwester | er, only if you enjoy debugging at very low levels. |
| 20:59.25 | der-lehmann | sorry thats not my part |
| 20:59.56 | mwester | phobie: I'd say new folks should know that you *can* flash u-boot, but be advised that they should stick to flashing kernels and rootfs. But that's just an opionion |
| 21:02.05 | phobie | ajuonline: dfu-util is part of debian and ubuntu, just not in the latest release. Try it from lenny/sid/intrepid/jaunty |
| 21:04.26 | der-lehmann | the latest shots on scap r they from ms4? |
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| 21:09.44 | ajuonline | ok done |
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| 21:14.40 | nemik | ajuonline: working? i'm playing with that Qtx now, it's pretty nice |
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| 21:18.28 | phobie | mwester: yes |
| 21:20.44 | phobie | ajuonline: if you still have problems with the login, try "passwd" on the FR terminal |
| 21:21.16 | phobie | ajuonline: you should also be sure that you do not connect to localhost |
| 21:23.06 | phobie | ajuonline: ubuntu defaults to have a empty rootpass and ssh as root (unlike to the FR) does not work! |
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| 21:29.24 | yabo | im having problems connectiong to my wireless network |
| 21:29.56 | yabo | i have wpa_supplicant.conf configured |
| 21:30.04 | yabo | i do |
| 21:30.09 | yabo | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 21:30.27 | yabo | wpa_supplicant -i eth0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B |
| 21:30.34 | yabo | udhcpc eth0 |
| 21:30.51 | yabo | then udhcpc returns Sending discover... |
| 21:30.55 | yabo | a couple of times |
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| 21:31.19 | yabo | before i get run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autopid exited with return code 1 |
| 21:31.33 | yabo | then i get Sending discover... again |
| 21:31.39 | yabo | it goes on forever |
| 21:32.51 | Staticwave_Ace | the wifi driver is flaky |
| 21:33.01 | Staticwave_Ace | it won't connect to my AP at all, regardless of how its configured |
| 21:33.02 | Toaster` | yabo: I have the same issues |
| 21:33.24 | yabo | it works sometimes, but then it disconnects after a while and wont connect again |
| 21:33.53 | Toaster` | Open networks are fine, but when I try an encrypted wlan, I have no go. I've assumes a combination of flaky drivers and user error on my part |
| 21:34.01 | mwester | Om is working on the wifi issues, but it's really quite non-functional in the current kernels. |
| 21:34.11 | yabo | okay |
| 21:34.17 | yabo | so there is nothing i can do but wait then? |
| 21:34.22 | valos[fr] | idem for me, my solution: force essid |
| 21:34.23 | Toaster` | Anyone have any tips on usb networking in Ubuntu 8.10? |
| 21:34.37 | Staticwave_Ace | mwester: non-functional could be used to describe a lot of things |
| 21:34.38 | valos[fr] | iwconfig eth0 essid your_essid |
| 21:34.59 | Staticwave_Ace | Toaster`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others |
| 21:35.01 | mwester | yabo: I can only say what I would do, and I have decided not to even bother with wifi until the Om patches are available. |
| 21:35.15 | mwester | Staticwave_Ace: Yes. There are quite a lot of things wrong. |
| 21:35.20 | yabo | okidoki |
| 21:35.30 | yabo | valos[fr], that connects to the wlan? |
| 21:35.32 | Toaster` | Staticwave_Ace: been there, and had it working in 8.04, but I upgraded and the new NetworkManager is playing havoc with it. |
| 21:35.39 | valos[fr] | yabo: yes |
| 21:36.02 | yabo | oki ill try that, thanks |
| 21:36.03 | Staticwave_Ace | Toaster`: hrm, really, well I haven't tried my ubuntu machine yet, though I did put those settings in |
| 21:36.20 | yabo | valos[fr] |
| 21:36.28 | yabo | how do i supply a psk? it is encrypted with wpa |
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| 21:42.32 | Staticwave_Ace | yabo: you'll have to use wpa_supplicant instead |
| 21:42.36 | Staticwave_Ace | this is all in the wiki |
| 21:43.18 | yabo | i am using wpa_supplicant |
| 21:43.21 | yabo | normally |
| 21:43.32 | Staticwave_Ace | then do it the normal way |
| 21:43.50 | yabo | the normal way does not always work |
| 21:43.55 | Staticwave_Ace | yup, that's the driver |
| 21:43.58 | Staticwave_Ace | nothing you can do |
| 21:44.07 | Staticwave_Ace | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces |
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| 21:49.38 | Toaster` | Ugh, ok, I found an ugly fix for the Ubuntu 8.10 issue, not sure if there is a clean solution at all. |
| 21:50.51 | Staticwave_Ace | Toaster`: link? |
| 21:50.56 | Toaster` | I have to manually ifup/down the connection, as NM buggers up the automatic line |
| 21:51.56 | Toaster` | Staticwave_Ace: http://n2.nabble.com/NetworkManager-in-Intrepid-breaks-my-FreeRunner%27s-Internet-connection-tp1322250p1323741.html |
| 21:53.38 | Toaster` | seems there isn't an easy way to make NM play nice |
| 21:53.47 | Staticwave_Ace | yet |
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| 21:53.51 | Staticwave_Ace | sounds like a NM routing bug |
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| 22:03.48 | Toaster` | Staticwave_Ace: yeah. Hopefully they'll sort it out sooner rather then later |
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| 22:10.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * raf162a3da0bb 10framework/framework/resource.py: |
| 22:10.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: resource.py: Allow method calls in any state except disabled |
| 22:10.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: This is a workaround at the moment for Bug #209 since the problems that |
| 22:10.45 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: could occur with this workaround are less annyoing than the "DBus calls |
| 22:10.47 | CIA-51 | freesmartphone.org: fail right after wakeup from GSM". |
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| 22:20.17 | Wonka | er, LOL?!? http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680 |
| 22:28.28 | CVirus | funny |
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| 23:20.01 | kobh | Hello |
| 23:20.16 | kobh | Do anyone know how i might get the matchbox-keyboard working on Om2008.9? |
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| 23:20.40 | kobh | Do anyone know how i might get the matchbox-keyboard working on Om2008.9? |
| 23:20.48 | kobh | i have installed it |
| 23:21.07 | kobh | but when i run it, it pops up for 0.2 seconds or something and disappears |
| 23:21.21 | kobh | what can i do? |
| 23:22.27 | kobh | or perhaps someone knows how to get online with usb and windows? |
| 23:22.43 | kobh | i have managed to get the usb - desktop connection working |
| 23:23.03 | kobh | but i cant seem to make the bridge correctly |
| 23:24.26 | F4t | kobh, i managed to make the bridge right.. |
| 23:24.42 | F4t | whats the device you are bridging to? wireless? or wired? |
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| 23:26.44 | kobh | wireless |
| 23:26.52 | kobh | but i couldnt make it when i was using wired either |
| 23:28.06 | kobh | what do i need to do to make it work? |
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| 23:28.12 | F4t | kobh, windows has 2 problems, 1 -> it sometimes needs to force compatibility mode on cards that cant do permiscious mode.. |
| 23:28.33 | F4t | 2 -> dns cant pass through and moko must be configured to use 192.168.0.1 as the dns |
| 23:29.49 | F4t | thats asuming the windows box can ping internet and the moko once bridge is alive... |
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| 23:31.19 | F4t | kobh, heres the related KB: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302348 |
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| 23:32.48 | F4t | <F4t> kobh, heres the related KB: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302348 |
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| 23:33.40 | kobh | alright |
| 23:33.42 | kobh | thank you very much |
| 23:34.18 | F4t | that solved the problem for me, together with dns configuration to the ip of the host windows (192.168.0.1) |
| 23:34.36 | F4t | good luck, im off to sleep |
| 23:34.47 | kobh | dns |
| 23:34.57 | kobh | that is resolv.conf right? |
| 23:35.02 | F4t | ye |
| 23:35.08 | kobh | nameserver 192.168.0.1 or whatever |
| 23:35.09 | kobh | ? |
| 23:35.14 | F4t | echo "nameserver 192.168.0.1" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:35.19 | kobh | okidoki, thanks |
| 23:35.25 | F4t | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:35.32 | F4t | route del default gw 192.168.0.200 |
| 23:35.49 | kobh | in shell |
| 23:35.49 | kobh | ? |
| 23:35.54 | F4t | yep |
| 23:35.56 | kobh | okay, thanks a bunch |
| 23:36.17 | F4t | gl, im off |
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| 23:39.28 | Aciid | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install mofi |
| 23:39.28 | Aciid | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 23:39.36 | Aciid | what is wrong opkg wont install any packages |
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| 23:44.44 | slaxxin | which os u have? |
| 23:44.55 | Aciid | I have 2008.9 |
| 23:44.57 | Aciid | OM |
| 23:45.02 | slaxxin | is it fdom? |
| 23:45.09 | Aciid | what you mean |
| 23:45.46 | slaxxin | a different release which has /etc/resolc.conf already prepaired |
| 23:46.23 | slaxxin | check /etc/resolv.conf for a public address |
| 23:46.33 | slaxxin | ip address |
| 23:46.43 | Aciid | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:47.02 | Aciid | I added that , its my router address the freerunner is bridged from usb0 to my laptops wlan |
| 23:47.06 | slaxxin | is that resolve.conf or resolv.conf? |
| 23:47.18 | SpeedEvil | v |
| 23:47.35 | Aciid | its resolv.conf |
| 23:47.40 | Aciid | what is resolve.conf |
| 23:47.41 | Aciid | :S |
| 23:47.47 | slaxxin | well u need to add the address that your host machine has for dns |
| 23:48.00 | Aciid | to resolve.conf? |
| 23:48.04 | slaxxin | no |
| 23:48.08 | Aciid | resolv.conf? |
| 23:48.11 | slaxxin | yup |
| 23:48.24 | slaxxin | u got a linux box right? |
| 23:48.25 | Aciid | well the laptop uses the routers dns I suppose |
| 23:48.33 | Aciid | nope this is vista :< |
| 23:48.38 | slaxxin | ooooo nos |
| 23:48.46 | slaxxin | good luck |
| 23:48.47 | Aciid | but would I succeed with vmware archlinux?= |
| 23:48.55 | Aciid | :\ |
| 23:48.56 | slaxxin | yes |
| 23:49.02 | Aciid | okey ill go that way then =D |
| 23:49.07 | slaxxin | or run slax live cd |
| 23:49.15 | Aciid | btw would opendns work better for nameserver |
| 23:49.17 | Aciid | than the router |
| 23:49.48 | slaxxin | im sure somebody can answer that ? |
| 23:49.58 | lindi- | Aciid: why would you want to send your dns queries to such a company? |
| 23:50.30 | Aciid | lindi-: I read on the wiki pages that its working better |
| 23:50.31 | Aciid | :S |
| 23:51.12 | lindi- | Aciid: but they use proprietary dns software? |
| 23:51.55 | Aciid | I dunno they shall be lamers then |
| 23:52.00 | Aciid | im downloading the slax live now |
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