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| 00:04.42 | trains | IT WORKS!!! :) |
| 00:04.58 | trains | i disabled the pin and i just made a call :) |
| 00:07.20 | Fougner | heh |
| 00:08.29 | Fougner | I try to install debian, but the installscript tells me: |
| 00:08.32 | Fougner | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.32 | Fougner | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.32 | Fougner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:09.57 | mokolade | trains: go in to settings / sound & display / screen timeout and disable timeout |
| 00:09.57 | mokolade | then it wont go black on you :) |
| 00:10.44 | mokolade | trains: great ;) |
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| 00:17.34 | trains | mokolade: that is my current problem :) I will try that |
| 00:18.07 | Dave | once you go android you never go back? |
| 00:18.09 | Dave | eh mokolade? |
| 00:18.33 | trains | mokolade: do you see a terrible flickering in animations? |
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| 00:19.10 | mokolade | Dave: what I really want is Debian! Love the freedom of a regular linux distro. but with a phone interface (not zhone) |
| 00:19.46 | Ainulindale | mokolade: try SHR :-) |
| 00:19.55 | Ainulindale | Or the SHR tools on top of debian |
| 00:20.04 | mokolade | thats the only thing I haven't tried |
| 00:20.11 | mokolade | okey |
| 00:20.14 | Ainulindale | And that's the only thing I run for a month |
| 00:20.21 | Ainulindale | Ok, I'm partial, I'm a SHR developer |
| 00:20.29 | Ainulindale | But nevertheless, it's usable on a day to day basis :-) |
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| 00:20.52 | mokolade | that's cool :) |
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| 00:22.27 | Dave | SHR! |
| 00:22.34 | Fougner | Ainulindale, I'm trying to install debian now, afterwards you can help me ;) |
| 00:24.57 | Ainulindale | Fougner: Won't now |
| 00:25.02 | Ainulindale | It's 01:24 here |
| 00:25.07 | Ainulindale | I ought to sleep |
| 00:25.12 | Ainulindale | But I'm looking at CNN |
| 00:25.40 | Ainulindale | And I'm amazed at the stupidity level reached by it |
| 00:25.57 | Ainulindale | They just showed an hologram journalist |
| 00:26.10 | mokolade | I'll have to try that one day |
| 00:26.11 | Ainulindale | s/showed/shew/ |
| 00:26.19 | Ainulindale | Oh anyway, too tired to speak correctly |
| 00:26.47 | Fougner | Ainulindale, oh, we're in the same timezone then ;D |
| 00:27.48 | mwester_ | The stupidity of American network TV and the tragedy that Americans call "journalism" is on display to the world today. Sorry. :( |
| 00:28.53 | Ainulindale | Fougner: Paris here |
| 00:29.18 | Ainulindale | mwester_: Don't think that french journalism is better |
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| 00:29.35 | Ainulindale | There are ties between journalists and politicians here |
| 00:29.44 | Ainulindale | Untold, but existing |
| 00:30.02 | Fougner | Ainulindale, oh nice =) |
| 00:30.40 | mwester_ | I keep wondering when journalism was made to be "entertainment", with special effects and productions. |
| 00:30.46 | mokolade | can I find some SHR images anywhere for some quick testing? |
| 00:30.51 | Fougner | not the journalists.. you live in Paris, that's nice |
| 00:31.05 | Ainulindale | mokolade: shr.bearstech.com |
| 00:31.09 | mwester_ | has never been to Paris |
| 00:31.15 | Ainulindale | There's currently two problems we know about |
| 00:31.17 | Ainulindale | Two majors problem I mean |
| 00:31.31 | Ainulindale | There's a bug with frameworkd suspend and GSM resource |
| 00:31.31 | Fougner | has been in Paris twice at least |
| 00:31.34 | Ainulindale | Causing the daemon to fail |
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| 00:31.37 | Ainulindale | I will fix that on wednesday |
| 00:31.38 | trains | mokolade: did you made any phone call? |
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| 00:31.48 | Ainulindale | And a bug due to the version of shared-mime-info in OE |
| 00:31.55 | Ainulindale | That will also be settled wednesday |
| 00:32.04 | mokolade | Ainulindale: thanks, shall download and test some tomorrow :) |
| 00:32.15 | Ainulindale | mokolade: remember |
| 00:32.17 | mokolade | trains: only from my nokia to my freerunner and back |
| 00:32.18 | Ainulindale | first boot is long |
| 00:32.20 | Ainulindale | that's normal |
| 00:32.22 | mokolade | okei |
| 00:32.22 | Ainulindale | other boots aren't |
| 00:32.33 | Dave | Mwester - you didn't miss much |
| 00:32.42 | Ainulindale | And at boot, wait for the PIN window before trying to use apps and complain about the fact they don't work :-) |
| 00:32.47 | Dave | Mwester, if you ever go, don't carry a wallet. |
| 00:32.48 | Ainulindale | They currently need SIM PIN registration |
| 00:33.02 | Ainulindale | Once I'll fix the GSM issue I'll fix this asweel |
| 00:33.06 | Ainulindale | s/weel/well/ |
| 00:33.15 | mokolade | so I have to enable the pin again on the sim card? |
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| 00:33.24 | Ainulindale | Ah, you don't have pin |
| 00:33.30 | Ainulindale | then don't mind what I said |
| 00:33.32 | Ainulindale | It'll work |
| 00:33.36 | mokolade | :) |
| 00:33.48 | trains | mokolade: did you notice the very low sound on the Neo side? |
| 00:33.50 | Ainulindale | If it fails though, wait a minute or so, frameworkd may be long to settle at first |
| 00:34.01 | Ainulindale | If you see the network registered in illume, it'll work |
| 00:34.06 | mokolade | trains: yes |
| 00:35.05 | Ainulindale | This man on CNN looks a lot like Lex Luthor |
| 00:35.46 | ljp | it is Lex |
| 00:35.49 | Dave | It's a conspiracy! |
| 00:35.52 | Ainulindale | Heh :-) |
| 00:35.57 | Dave | Wait, is Lex Luthor running for president? |
| 00:36.02 | Dave | I wasn't aware that he was. |
| 00:36.22 | Ainulindale | Dave: He's also tok hold of your brain |
| 00:36.24 | Ainulindale | +o |
| 00:36.28 | Ainulindale | Please reboot the universe at once |
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| 00:37.13 | mwester_ | "Midnight at the Well of Souls", I believe. |
| 00:37.38 | Ainulindale | Too bad the results are tonight, I'd like to see them live |
| 00:37.38 | mwester_ | (where Nathan Brazil rebooted the universe, once again) |
| 00:38.01 | Ainulindale | mwester_: Are we talking about the same cucumber error facts ? |
| 00:38.06 | mwester_ | Ainulindale: Bah. The results won't be visible until a year or so. |
| 00:38.15 | Ainulindale | mwester_: heh :-) |
| 00:38.25 | Ainulindale | I forgot you were old, hence living in florida |
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| 00:38.43 | mwester_ | :p Chicago. I *KNOW* what the results will be. |
| 00:38.55 | Ainulindale | And what will they be then ? |
| 00:39.52 | mwester_ | Remember Al Capone? The Chicago Mob didn't go away, they just discovered politics -- more brutal, and more profitable. |
| 00:40.13 | Ainulindale | I can't say if you're dead serious or dead sarcastic :-) |
| 00:40.20 | mwester_ | Both. |
| 00:40.29 | Ainulindale | Heh :-) |
| 00:40.33 | Ainulindale | You filthy swine |
| 00:41.34 | Ainulindale | Anyway, going to bed now, else I won't have the strength to whine tomorrw |
| 00:41.36 | Ainulindale | +o |
| 00:41.40 | mwester_ | gn |
| 00:41.42 | Ainulindale | (Damn crappy connection, eats my keys) |
| 00:41.49 | mwester_ | :) |
| 00:42.05 | Ainulindale | mwester_: Good luck surviving the riots |
| 00:42.06 | mwester_ | yeah, yeah - blame the connection. We know you're shorting us keystrokes! |
| 00:42.26 | mwester_ | Ainulindale: heh! That's what my wife said as she left for work this evening. |
| 00:42.35 | Ainulindale | mwester_: I gave my "o" key as a warranty for my mortgage |
| 00:43.09 | Ainulindale | Anyway, off I go. See you |
| 00:43.13 | mwester_ | I told her that I'd sic my dog on any Obamites that come after me with pitchforks and torches ;) |
| 00:47.27 | ljp | meanie |
| 00:48.39 | mwester_ | Yep. Death by yappy little dog. Terrible way to go... |
| 00:49.37 | ljp | yappies are the worst |
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| 00:54.13 | braydon | anyone else get a dependency problem with install mplayer? |
| 00:54.14 | mokolade | cya |
| 00:54.32 | braydon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.20 | mwester_ | I wonder if that's a side effect of some recent OM changes in the feeds... |
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| 00:56.12 | mwester_ | If I understand correctly, certain libraries that are potentially "issues" are not going to be in the official feeds, much like distros such as Fedora do not include those libs. |
| 00:56.23 | mwester_ | mp3 is one such problematic technology. |
| 00:56.56 | braydon | i see. |
| 00:57.11 | braydon | what about mplayer-common? |
| 00:57.35 | mwester_ | Can't say about that one. |
| 00:58.12 | mwester_ | Perhaps it's an inconsistency in the feeds that will be cleared up with the nightly build? |
| 00:59.27 | braydon | I am also not able to download the sig files.... |
| 00:59.37 | braydon | libmp3lame0 |
| 00:59.41 | braydon | oops |
| 00:59.51 | braydon | "Signature check failed" |
| 01:05.47 | mokolade | well, here goes nothing. booting SHR for the first time... |
| 01:05.58 | mokolade | what profile should I select? |
| 01:09.14 | slaxxin | shr looked real nice |
| 01:09.31 | Dave | This CNN.com feature is optimized for Adobe Flash Player version 8 or higher. |
| 01:09.33 | Dave | You are currently using Flash Player 0 |
| 01:10.48 | ljp | flash this! |
| 01:10.57 | Dave | That's what I said! |
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| 01:12.19 | mokolade | I want more RAM for gta03, preferable 256MB |
| 01:13.03 | mokolade | on another note, SHR looks good :) |
| 01:13.15 | mokolade | it's working too :) |
| 01:13.32 | Fougner | mokolade, SHR, would you please give a short explanation of what it is? |
| 01:14.26 | mokolade | http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ - screenshots: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Screenshots |
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| 01:15.16 | braydon | was just looking at the screenies... could be worth a try |
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| 01:16.12 | mokolade | you can change profiles, making it look a little different |
| 01:17.34 | Dave | KenYoung, you around? |
| 01:21.34 | braydon | mokolade, are you installing on the card? |
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| 01:30.20 | Fougner | mokolade, wow... looks like a very simple solution.. perfectly simple |
| 01:36.53 | Fougner | hmm, think I should try SHR out |
| 01:36.54 | Fougner | nite |
| 01:37.56 | trains | In SHR, how do i shutdown? |
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| 01:39.35 | mokolade1 | hmfr, lost connection for a while... |
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| 02:36.52 | Dave | KenYoung, How do I zoom OUT, conveniently, once zoomed in on a particular area? |
| 02:40.27 | swc|666 | in Soviet Russia, zoom out not very convenient |
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| 02:42.02 | Dave | Guess not |
| 02:42.15 | Dave | spy satellites too busy filming themselves ;p |
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| 02:52.39 | swc|666 | lol |
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| 03:44.36 | kd8ikt | i voted for cynthia mcsomthing or other |
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| 04:17.20 | Dave | -_- |
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| 04:43.29 | slaxxin | [Please be Patient]. |
| 04:43.29 | slaxxin | bad ass game installing... |
| 04:49.18 | Sargun | hehe |
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| 05:15.48 | AntonTakk | anyone else playing with android on their fr? |
| 05:16.18 | AntonTakk | i tried making a call just to play and it worked |
| 05:16.36 | holymoo | neato |
| 05:16.38 | holymoo | hey i have a question |
| 05:16.41 | AntonTakk | volume on my end was extreemly quiet, bit they said they could hear me fine |
| 05:16.52 | holymoo | so android is just a bare kernel with a java userspace right? |
| 05:17.05 | holymoo | do you actually get the chance to do anything underneath the java userspace? |
| 05:17.12 | AntonTakk | and a bunch of apps, yes :) |
| 05:17.24 | holymoo | that sucks |
| 05:17.32 | holymoo | maybe the java stuff can be ported to moko |
| 05:17.38 | gurugentoo | have a download link? sounds like tinkering time |
| 05:17.39 | holymoo | to a normal kernel and normal linux os |
| 05:17.54 | holymoo | *hmm* |
| 05:18.10 | holymoo | i wonder if i could install debian on the g1 and then android on top of that just for kicks |
| 05:18.51 | gurugentoo | nm, the wiki got updated |
| 05:18.54 | holymoo | or stuff the moko guts into the g1 case |
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| 05:20.36 | slaxxin | fsobian |
| 05:21.30 | slaxxin | im DOOMed |
| 05:22.20 | slaxxin | debian is a very good base system |
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| 05:23.36 | holymoo | that also brings another poiitn up |
| 05:23.46 | holymoo | can we run android on say a laptop running linux? |
| 05:24.15 | holymoo | it wouldn't be too usefull but ... *hmmm* |
| 05:30.26 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.42 | zash | holymoo: why would you want that? |
| 05:33.21 | holymoo | well on desktop it would be pointless indeed |
| 05:33.32 | holymoo | i would want a normal linux underneath |
| 05:33.46 | holymoo | with the ability to basically 'move android' out of the way to do normal linuxy stuff |
| 05:33.49 | zash | android != normal linux |
| 05:34.04 | holymoo | and 'move android back' onto the screen to do normal android stuff |
| 05:34.07 | holymoo | sure |
| 05:34.13 | holymoo | its just a google java environment |
| 05:34.38 | holymoo | so the real question is can it be run on a normal linux os, #android guys say more or less |
| 05:34.50 | holymoo | i don't think anyone has tried but its an interesting question |
| 05:35.07 | holymoo | it would also mean we wouldn't haveto reinvent linux tools like ssh in the android environment all over again |
| 05:35.40 | holymoo | or you could theoretically swap around between the qt environment here and linux and android if one wanted to |
| 05:35.45 | holymoo | total hackability |
| 05:35.54 | zash | theoretically |
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| 05:36.56 | holymoo | lol RIGHT! |
| 05:36.57 | holymoo | hehe |
| 05:37.01 | zash | if android apps could be run in parallell with whatever linux apps it would be coul |
| 05:37.41 | zash | like j2me apps |
| 05:38.18 | zash | feels like a worthier goal then runnig android on fr |
| 05:38.33 | slaxxin | any good stuff we can make ipks with? |
| 05:38.35 | mwester | Android has special kernel needs, so you would need an appropriately hacked up kernel. Then also consider that Android takes over your display at the fb level -- so you would need a dual display desktop if you wished to run any standard X11-based desktop utils. |
| 05:39.22 | slaxxin | dual displays hmmmm |
| 05:39.25 | zash | mwester: ala the qtx stuff? |
| 05:39.46 | zash | fb stuffs |
| 05:39.58 | mwester | When you look closely, Qt Extended and Android will be battling for the same space in the market, and that space is definetly NOT desktop. |
| 05:40.33 | mwester | zash: Yes, same concept as qtx |
| 05:40.54 | mwester | Implemented differently of course. |
| 05:42.03 | mwester | I think that if one starts by sketching out Android's architecture, and the typcial desktop, you'll find they conflict. On the other hand, you'll find that FSO fits pefectly onto the desktop type of environment. |
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| 05:43.39 | mwester | So while Android is cool stuff indeed, it's a platform for phones and multimedia -- while debian on the FR with FSO is a linux handheld that can do phone-like things. Pick your choice --- but to make Android to desktop linux will be very, very hard. |
| 05:44.07 | mwester | JMO. That and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks. |
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| 05:46.02 | holymoo | mwester i agree with a minor correction |
| 05:46.10 | holymoo | you must separate the software from hardware |
| 05:46.36 | mwester | practical on desktop hardware |
| 05:46.39 | holymoo | their implementation simply makes it hard to consider their two separate |
| 05:46.58 | holymoo | well thats how i see moko too |
| 05:47.00 | holymoo | i mean frankly |
| 05:47.14 | mwester | I'm not sure what you mean by "moko" |
| 05:47.28 | holymoo | if kde had the resources and cpus were more powerfull, kde4 could be slimmed down to fit on a moko like device |
| 05:47.42 | holymoo | then all you would really be doing ui wise is making plasmoids |
| 05:47.44 | holymoo | infact |
| 05:47.57 | fredrin | Android seams easier to push to more people, more phone-company-friendly... but if I can have both Android and normal linux, that's super sweet |
| 05:48.28 | holymoo | i'm kinda poking around making a simplified plasmoid based interface that sits on one of the desktops as a media center sort of deal that just calls up applications into it self full screen for the media center feel |
| 05:48.43 | holymoo | the ui approach could be modified further to fulfil small screen resolution requirements |
| 05:48.45 | mwester | holymoo: the real issue for the handheld devices is not cpu or resources any longer; it's screen real estate. I think kde would run pretty well on the FR. |
| 05:49.10 | holymoo | mwester ye totally agree... this is why i say kde4 |
| 05:49.22 | holymoo | the plasmoids + containments idea is so flexible |
| 05:49.53 | holymoo | you could fairly easily come up with a 'maybe okay' ui fairly quickly for something like the moko |
| 05:49.59 | mwester | I agree on that. Pesonally, I think that the Nokia tablets (N800, N810) are perfect examples. |
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| 05:50.14 | raster | mwester: cpu and ram are still a premium. given the wat firefox chomps thru 100's of mb of ram |
| 05:50.16 | holymoo | yes indeed |
| 05:50.18 | raster | :) |
| 05:50.34 | holymoo | raster: one would imagine that you wouldn't actually run normal desktop apps tho |
| 05:50.40 | holymoo | you would run slimmed down opera |
| 05:50.45 | mwester | raster: firefox will run my 4GB desktop out of memory, it leaks so badly. |
| 05:50.46 | raster | oh sure |
| 05:50.48 | holymoo | slimmed down media players like mplayer or something |
| 05:51.14 | raster | i dont see u doing "full desktop apps/de's ported" |
| 05:51.18 | raster | kde on fr just wont happen |
| 05:51.19 | raster | or ngome |
| 05:51.22 | raster | u need to specialise |
| 05:51.30 | raster | only "de" that has a chance is e |
| 05:51.39 | raster | (Thats modern and has features) |
| 05:51.41 | raster | imho |
| 05:51.45 | mwester | The point is not any one particular program, or user interface -- it's that the FSO framework allows us to CHOOSE what we want, and even mix and match -- while Android does not. |
| 05:51.47 | holymoo | i don't know the kde4 famework enough |
| 05:51.51 | raster | but thats because it's been very much kept lean and optimised |
| 05:51.55 | raster | for just this purpose |
| 05:51.56 | raster | :) |
| 05:52.09 | holymoo | i guess if one were to start trying to create special libraries for devices like moko you would end up with the qt environment moko is using now anyway |
| 05:52.12 | holymoo | so you may have a point |
| 05:52.39 | mwester | holymoo: qtx and android are not just specialized graphics libraries. |
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| 05:52.50 | holymoo | i know the idea of an atom cpu based moko style device is out of the question, but perhaps in a few generatios lower powered cpus with similar power will be available |
| 05:53.16 | holymoo | mwester *nod* yeah i am oversimplified by a huge margin right |
| 05:53.20 | holymoo | you are right |
| 05:53.48 | raster | atom is a waste of breath |
| 05:53.49 | raster | imho |
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| 05:54.03 | raster | its nowhere near an ARM in terms of performance per watt |
| 05:54.16 | raster | and the ARM's are event lagging behind some technology wafting under my nose |
| 05:54.20 | raster | far behind |
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| 05:54.44 | raster | i give intel points for trying though |
| 05:54.46 | raster | :) |
| 05:54.52 | holymoo | yeah that seemed to be the genral opinion out there too |
| 05:55.02 | Ken_Young | raster - when do you expect to see that new tech publicly announced? |
| 05:55.08 | raster | atom is definitely the low end of x86 power consumption |
| 05:55.17 | raster | but its an entire world from the ARM's |
| 05:55.21 | raster | and MIPS etc. |
| 05:55.36 | raster | Ken_Young: u'll know when its public |
| 05:55.36 | raster | :) |
| 05:55.43 | raster | has nda's to adhere to |
| 05:55.59 | fredrin | nada's |
| 05:56.01 | holymoo | lol! |
| 05:56.12 | holymoo | oh and just WHAT tech are we talking about here? |
| 05:56.14 | holymoo | hehehe |
| 05:56.33 | raster | holymoo: some very interesting "cpu" design |
| 05:56.38 | raster | and i put "cpu" in quotes... |
| 05:56.43 | holymoo | ehe neato |
| 05:56.56 | holymoo | yeah one of the neato cpu ides out there is the cell processor |
| 05:56.56 | raster | as if uu stand back a bit and look at it... it no longer really looks like one |
| 05:57.12 | holymoo | if sony wants to double the power of that machine they just throw more cells at it |
| 05:57.29 | raster | think of something like the cell |
| 05:57.38 | holymoo | raster good enuf :) |
| 05:57.41 | holymoo | you have my full attention |
| 05:57.42 | holymoo | hehe |
| 05:57.47 | raster | but 1/3000th of the power consumption |
| 05:57.54 | holymoo | that would be amazing |
| 05:58.00 | mwester | That sort of really cool stuff is a bit of a problem in handhelds, though. :( |
| 05:58.38 | mwester | The ideal world would have a set of processors and shared memory, instead of isolated GPS, GSM, etc. |
| 05:58.49 | holymoo | raster, very exciting thanks for the crumbs, good enough for me |
| 05:59.24 | fredrin | I hope it got lasers :) |
| 05:59.38 | holymoo | lol! :) |
| 05:59.45 | mwester | will settle for a phaser. Set to stun. |
| 05:59.57 | holymoo | straps a freerunner to a guppy |
| 06:00.03 | holymoo | fear my open source power |
| 06:00.15 | fredrin | lol |
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| 06:03.23 | raster | hums to himself and holds back from commenting .... la la la.... |
| 06:03.33 | rooly | me too |
| 06:03.34 | raster | nb |
| 06:03.35 | rooly | i hate my country |
| 06:03.43 | raster | the stuff i have nda's for will be open source |
| 06:03.47 | raster | fully openly programmable |
| 06:03.50 | raster | so its relevant |
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| 06:04.23 | mwester | That's good. |
| 06:04.56 | raster | its just that before its out and shipping all the nda goop is meant to keep it quiet |
| 06:04.58 | mwester | My comment was aimed at the idea of an MP handheld device, |
| 06:05.07 | raster | i know |
| 06:05.13 | raster | i will just whistle and go "la la la" |
| 06:05.17 | raster | :) |
| 06:05.40 | Ken_Young | So we can assume there are three "la" cores? |
| 06:05.49 | raster | no |
| 06:06.00 | raster | "la la la la" |
| 06:06.07 | raster | actually |
| 06:06.08 | mwester | where the close-source folks will have the ability to run the GSM and GPS as processes along with the rest of the stuff -- saving power, adding flexibility. But because of the various laws around GPS and GSM, the open-source community will be unable to use that stuff. :( |
| 06:06.17 | raster | "LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA la la la la" |
| 06:06.18 | raster | :) |
| 06:06.25 | mwester | :) |
| 06:06.42 | mwester | Funny how things just get REinvented. |
| 06:07.28 | holymoo | raster ... thats all well and good, but it might be best not to say any more |
| 06:07.28 | holymoo | get the damned thing out there |
| 06:07.29 | holymoo | and get it everywhere |
| 06:07.29 | raster | now |
| 06:07.29 | raster | need to write up this seminar... |
| 06:07.32 | holymoo | and make it so popular that all the other bozos go out of business |
| 06:07.43 | holymoo | i'm just tired of bad hardware |
| 06:07.45 | holymoo | :) |
| 06:08.00 | mwester | is tired of bad software! |
| 06:08.19 | holymoo | mwester lol!! |
| 06:08.19 | rooly | is tired of bad business practices and limited devices |
| 06:08.24 | holymoo | looks at gnome |
| 06:08.27 | holymoo | *muahaha* |
| 06:08.29 | holymoo | kiding |
| 06:09.08 | raster | hugs his e |
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| 06:09.43 | rooly | tbh...i've never seen the problem with gnome...i do most of my work in the terminal anyway |
| 06:10.30 | zash | rooly: doing stuff in terminals ftw |
| 06:10.32 | zash | :D |
| 06:11.45 | fredrin | screen + terminal + compiz wobly windows ftw |
| 06:11.47 | zash | dwm + shitloads of xterms = win |
| 06:12.01 | fredrin | and cube |
| 06:12.08 | rooly | meh...cube gets old |
| 06:12.12 | rooly | compiz gets old |
| 06:12.26 | fredrin | Impresses chicks ;) |
| 06:12.30 | rooly | but compiz on the FR ftw |
| 06:12.31 | zash | scale is useful thou |
| 06:12.43 | zash | aka exposé clone |
| 06:12.55 | rooly | who's with me |
| 06:12.58 | rooly | compiz on the fr |
| 06:13.07 | zash | oh yeah! |
| 06:13.16 | rooly | i don't see how it could integrate, but still |
| 06:13.27 | zash | whatsitcalled |
| 06:13.32 | fredrin | i dont know, but i would be cool |
| 06:13.35 | fredrin | it |
| 06:13.39 | holymoo | rooly: hehe |
| 06:13.42 | rooly | i am always cool |
| 06:13.48 | zash | the htc touch fluffy ui thingy |
| 06:14.20 | zash | TouchFLO |
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| 06:18.57 | raster | touch my flo! |
| 06:19.28 | zash | XBMC on the FR! |
| 06:19.29 | fredrin | cool to use the accelometers to flip the cube around :) Do the accelometers use much power by the way? |
| 06:20.04 | raster | tho fr wont do this |
| 06:20.09 | raster | unless u want to do 3d in software |
| 06:20.14 | raster | u wont be seeing gl accel for it |
| 06:20.19 | fredrin | zash: I thought about that earlier today, would be sweet, not all the components though, but some |
| 06:20.28 | raster | and gl even then will only be a happening thnig in qvga if it were done |
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| 06:20.49 | zash | pump out gta03 already |
| 06:21.43 | holymoo | so is the gta02 considered a success? |
| 06:21.50 | mwester | put the gta03 on hold already. |
| 06:21.51 | holymoo | is it basically sold out? |
| 06:22.20 | mwester | There should be NO distractions while there are such fundamental problems and missing bits |
| 06:22.20 | raster | gta03 will be software 3d too |
| 06:22.21 | raster | :) |
| 06:22.29 | raster | if u want it |
| 06:22.34 | raster | imho dont worry about 3d |
| 06:22.36 | raster | its a gimmick |
| 06:22.42 | raster | apple do well without |
| 06:22.51 | raster | in fact i'd say much better than all the "3d hacks" |
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| 06:23.21 | raster | mwester: kill gta03 and use a decent soc :) |
| 06:24.00 | rooly | okay |
| 06:24.03 | rooly | this is getting annoying |
| 06:24.14 | rooly | i'm using qtopia extended ...4.4.2 |
| 06:24.15 | fredrin | soc? |
| 06:24.22 | mwester | heh! yeah. We can summarize the reasoning behind using the same SOC as: "We know all the things that are broken about it". Yeah, that'll make a *better* device, won't it. |
| 06:24.27 | raster | copu |
| 06:24.29 | zash | fredrin: system on chip |
| 06:24.29 | raster | system on chip |
| 06:25.08 | rooly | and it keeps waking up for incoming sms and then just quitting before it downloads the sms |
| 06:25.42 | raster | eg |
| 06:25.48 | raster | an omap 3530 |
| 06:25.55 | raster | with some spiffy ddr3 ram |
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| 09:18.20 | Zoup | is tangogps ported to Qtopia ? |
| 09:18.49 | Zoup | its listed here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner |
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| 09:33.33 | ernst | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=m4NbsLmF9j0 |
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| 09:42.19 | yabo | how do you get up the microsd-slot? :| |
| 09:42.54 | beni_ | take some small screw driver and use it to pull oben the slot |
| 09:43.06 | mokolade | or a gentle fingernail |
| 09:43.11 | beni_ | take care not to damage anything |
| 09:43.14 | yabo | pull which way? |
| 09:43.19 | beni_ | up |
| 09:43.29 | beni_ | the slot is not locket (at GTA2) |
| 09:43.35 | yabo | oh |
| 09:43.39 | yabo | i got it open |
| 09:43.40 | yabo | thanks |
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| 09:47.24 | yabo | is there anything special about micro-sdhc cards? |
| 09:47.43 | beni_ | no |
| 09:48.02 | beni_ | but maybe the glamo does not like the card. |
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| 09:48.20 | beni_ | in this case you may need to tweak a bit with uboot-env variables to tune the clockrate |
| 09:48.49 | beni_ | i, for example, has a 8gb sdhc transcend card, working out of the box with recent kernels and recent uboot |
| 09:49.08 | beni_ | (they are not that recent, already out for about 10 weeks or so) |
| 09:50.16 | yabo | alright |
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| 09:52.14 | beni_ | yabo: got problems with your card? |
| 09:52.23 | yabo | dont know yet |
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| 09:55.55 | yabo | is there anything special with om2008.9 and ssh? oØ |
| 09:56.02 | yabo | i cant seem to get in.. |
| 09:56.10 | tomboy64 | yabo: what did you try? |
| 09:56.15 | yabo | wait |
| 09:56.18 | tomboy64 | i could login right from the start |
| 09:56.22 | yabo | there we go |
| 09:56.33 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 09:56.34 | yabo | how do i clear the host keys again? |
| 09:56.45 | yabo | offending key |
| 09:56.48 | tomboy64 | either rm .ssh/known_hosts |
| 09:56.58 | tomboy64 | or edit it and del the line with your freerunner's ip |
| 09:57.08 | tomboy64 | ~/.ssh ... |
| 09:57.18 | yabo | alright, thanks |
| 09:57.33 | viq | ssh-keygen -R IP/hostname |
| 09:57.54 | tomboy64 | cooool! |
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| 10:00.17 | yabo | how do i mount the card? :-S |
| 10:02.24 | Wonka | very carefully |
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| 10:02.48 | tomboy64 | lol |
| 10:03.03 | tomboy64 | have you ever been working with linux before, yabo? |
| 10:03.17 | tomboy64 | console-linux, that is |
| 10:03.21 | tomboy64 | ubuntu doesn't count |
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| 10:03.47 | Wonka | better ubuntu than xandros... |
| 10:03.52 | tomboy64 | heh |
| 10:03.57 | tomboy64 | i said working |
| 10:03.59 | tomboy64 | not toying |
| 10:04.08 | tomboy64 | you can actually work with ubuntu |
| 10:04.22 | Wonka | xandros on eeepc has openoffice too, iirc |
| 10:04.31 | tomboy64 | oh |
| 10:04.33 | tomboy64 | right |
| 10:04.36 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 10:04.38 | tomboy64 | nm |
| 10:04.54 | yabo | yes, tomboy64. but i am not a very advanced user. i tried running fdisk -l to find the card but nothing pops up |
| 10:05.07 | Wonka | hrm. hrm. install OOo on FR? |
| 10:05.19 | Wonka | yabo: cat /proc/partitions |
| 10:05.21 | tomboy64 | Wonka: that was what came to my mind |
| 10:05.38 | lindi- | Wonka: there's a bug in the build scripts, see bugs.debian.org |
| 10:05.45 | yabo | ah Wonka, thanks a bunch. |
| 10:05.52 | yabo | the values are displayed in megabytes? |
| 10:06.19 | yabo | so 8192 mtdblock3 is probably my card, or? |
| 10:06.30 | tomboy64 | huh |
| 10:06.37 | tomboy64 | what distro are you using? |
| 10:06.42 | yabo | 2008.9 |
| 10:06.59 | tomboy64 | it should be something like mmcblk0 |
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| 10:07.51 | tomboy64 | and mmcblk0p1 or mmcblk0p2 for the partitions |
| 10:07.51 | theblackbox | mornin |
| 10:07.51 | yabo | i have no mmcblks, only mtdblock0-6 |
| 10:07.51 | xMDKx | morning |
| 10:07.51 | tomboy64 | interesting |
| 10:07.52 | tomboy64 | checked the wiki what it has to say bout sd? |
| 10:08.01 | yabo | not yet |
| 10:08.07 | tomboy64 | do that |
| 10:08.11 | yabo | checks the wiki and finds out what it has to say about sd |
| 10:08.17 | theblackbox | been meaning to get involved for time now, still a little shakey but if you's don't mind me lurkin and gettin the vibe, I'm really enthusiastic about this project |
| 10:08.17 | tomboy64 | i'll flash a new image on my fr |
| 10:08.35 | tomboy64 | theblackbox: feel free :) |
| 10:08.40 | theblackbox | I was just wondering if anyone had any experiencce with the Samsung Q1 (hope that's not ot?) |
| 10:09.06 | tomboy64 | theblackbox: what processor's it run on? |
| 10:09.19 | yabo | i tried to mount /dev/mtdblock3 /media/card |
| 10:09.27 | theblackbox | hm... I'm pretty sure it's an intel something |
| 10:09.30 | theblackbox | I'll find the spec |
| 10:09.38 | yabo | i was told to specify a filesystem typ |
| 10:09.40 | yabo | type* |
| 10:09.43 | yabo | how do i do that? |
| 10:09.58 | tomboy64 | theblackbox: the arch i meant |
| 10:10.17 | tomboy64 | yabo: specify where? |
| 10:10.30 | yabo | mount i guess |
| 10:10.36 | theblackbox | ah, should be x386 (if that's still standard) |
| 10:10.51 | tomboy64 | lol not in handhelds |
| 10:10.57 | yabo | #mount /dev/mtdblock3 /media/card; mount: you must specify a filesystem type |
| 10:10.57 | tomboy64 | handhelds usually run arm |
| 10:11.04 | theblackbox | Intel Celeron M ULV (900MHz) or Intel Pentium M ULV (1.1 / 1.2 GHz) |
| 10:11.08 | Wonka | theblackbox: either i386 or x86 |
| 10:11.17 | tomboy64 | yabo: -t vfat |
| 10:11.23 | tomboy64 | -t ext2 |
| 10:11.24 | tomboy64 | -t ext3 |
| 10:11.30 | yabo | alright thanks |
| 10:11.32 | yabo | by the way |
| 10:11.48 | yabo | ext2 and ext3, the difference is that ext3 is loggin what happens.. is that right? |
| 10:11.55 | tomboy64 | yabo: yup |
| 10:12.06 | tomboy64 | you can mount an ext3 system also as an ext2 |
| 10:12.13 | yabo | gah |
| 10:12.37 | tomboy64 | and extend an ext2 system painlessly with a journal |
| 10:13.08 | yabo | #mount /dev/mtdblock3 /media/card -t ext2; mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mtdblock3, missing codepage or other error |
| 10:13.20 | tomboy64 | yabo: looks like it isn't |
| 10:13.35 | tomboy64 | yabo: probably not even formatted |
| 10:13.41 | theblackbox | tomboy64, http://www.samsung.com/uk/business/b2b/products/notebooks/ultra_mobile/q1.htm |
| 10:13.43 | tomboy64 | try fdisk -l /dev/mtdblock3 |
| 10:13.47 | theblackbox | mega sexy kit ;) |
| 10:14.07 | yabo | disk /dev/mtdblock3 doesnt containt a valid partition table |
| 10:14.18 | tomboy64 | Genuine Windows Vista® Business |
| 10:14.22 | tomboy64 | wtf? |
| 10:14.23 | theblackbox | I know |
| 10:14.30 | theblackbox | vomits |
| 10:14.45 | tomboy64 | yabo: cause it ain't the sd :) |
| 10:15.12 | yabo | are you sure? it is the only item in /proc/partitions that is big enough |
| 10:15.19 | tomboy64 | yabo: type mount |
| 10:15.22 | tomboy64 | just mount |
| 10:15.41 | tomboy64 | or mount | grep mmc |
| 10:15.57 | yabo | no mmc in that list |
| 10:16.08 | tomboy64 | then it's not recognized |
| 10:16.17 | yabo | what do i do? |
| 10:16.25 | tomboy64 | you're sure you manually installed it correctly? |
| 10:16.44 | yabo | i put the card in the sd-slot, thats all ive done |
| 10:16.48 | theblackbox | might be totally out of bounds, but would dmesg be a useful source of info? |
| 10:17.01 | tomboy64 | might be |
| 10:17.12 | yabo | do i need to do anything else? |
| 10:17.21 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 10:17.26 | tomboy64 | dmesg | grep -i mmc |
| 10:18.18 | yabo | mmc_set_power(power_mode=1, vdd=20 |
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| 10:18.30 | yabo | mmc_set_power(power_mode=0, vdd=0 |
| 10:18.40 | tomboy64 | that's not enough |
| 10:18.52 | tomboy64 | mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address ca49 |
| 10:18.59 | tomboy64 | that's what you're looking for |
| 10:19.16 | tomboy64 | i suppose you haven't installed it correctly |
| 10:19.24 | yabo | what can i try? |
| 10:19.28 | tomboy64 | shut down your freerunner and remove it |
| 10:19.35 | tomboy64 | look whether it is correctly installed |
| 10:19.43 | theblackbox | tomboy64, what flavour is openmoko dev'd from? |
| 10:19.59 | tomboy64 | theblackbox: scratch |
| 10:20.02 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 10:20.05 | theblackbox | nice |
| 10:20.05 | tomboy64 | openembedded |
| 10:20.14 | tomboy64 | openembedded is from scratch |
| 10:20.21 | tomboy64 | openmoko is based on openembedded |
| 10:20.30 | tomboy64 | as well as angström, iirc |
| 10:23.54 | yabo | i dont know, everything looks right tomboy64 |
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| 10:24.04 | yabo | the cover was sort of stuck though |
| 10:24.09 | yabo | had to use some force to open it |
| 10:24.53 | theblackbox | yabo, so you've taken the card out and replaced it? |
| 10:24.58 | yabo | yeah |
| 10:25.06 | yabo | booting now |
| 10:25.09 | theblackbox | does the dmesg | grep mmc show anything different? |
| 10:25.11 | theblackbox | ahh |
| 10:27.47 | yabo | yeah |
| 10:27.52 | yabo | alot of lines now |
| 10:28.02 | yabo | I/O errors and stuff oØ |
| 10:28.12 | tomboy64 | you broke it :-P |
| 10:29.12 | yabo | are you joking or? :p |
| 10:29.44 | beni_ | yabo: see infos at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
| 10:29.53 | beni_ | especially https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 |
| 10:31.31 | yabo | SDSDQ-008G-E12M |
| 10:31.35 | yabo | is that the name? |
| 10:32.00 | yabo | its not listed |
| 10:32.06 | yabo | SDSDQ-008G-E11M is though |
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| 10:32.58 | tomboy64 | yabo: mine ain't listed, either |
| 10:33.02 | tomboy64 | works like a charm |
| 10:33.18 | yabo | anyway |
| 10:33.54 | yabo | i guess i should format it? |
| 10:34.04 | tomboy64 | hehehe yup |
| 10:34.12 | tomboy64 | if you know you have the device ... |
| 10:34.19 | yabo | yeah |
| 10:34.22 | tomboy64 | yabo: fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 10:34.25 | yabo | mmcblk0 |
| 10:34.37 | yabo | yeah it exists |
| 10:34.41 | tomboy64 | then fdsik -l /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 10:34.44 | tomboy64 | gr |
| 10:34.50 | tomboy64 | fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
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| 10:36.13 | F4t | hey all, i know its a bit unrelated but does anyone know how to partition an sd card from a windows os? |
| 10:36.36 | tomboy64 | lol |
| 10:36.51 | tomboy64 | with vfat it shouldn't be a problem |
| 10:36.57 | tomboy64 | right-click and format |
| 10:37.08 | tomboy64 | but ext2/ext3 you can forget |
| 10:37.34 | tomboy64 | or try google |
| 10:37.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | tomboy64, F4t asked about partitioning, not formatting |
| 10:37.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | and yes, its quite OT |
| 10:38.05 | slalomsk8er | open the management console there you will find a partitionong tool |
| 10:38.16 | tomboy64 | Kamping_Kaiser: oh, my bad |
| 10:38.45 | yabo | so how do i make it ext2? |
| 10:39.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | yabo, using $otheros |
| 10:39.20 | yabo | command not found |
| 10:40.51 | yabo | what do i do? |
| 10:41.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | yabo, use not-windows to format. |
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| 10:41.24 | yabo | i cant use the freerunner? |
| 10:41.38 | yabo | i dont have a card-reader |
| 10:41.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | you could. mkfs.ext2 probably. |
| 10:41.48 | yabo | oh yes mkfs |
| 10:41.51 | yabo | thanks |
| 10:41.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
| 10:42.06 | theblackbox | http://linux.die.net/man/8/mkfs |
| 10:42.21 | theblackbox | (sorry, gathered you wouldn't have man) |
| 10:44.03 | yabo | :-) |
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| 10:44.55 | F4t | bah sorry, got disconnected... |
| 10:45.24 | F4t | slalomsk8er, windows doesnt allow me to delete partitions and/or add new ones on a removable storage devcice = my sd card |
| 10:46.02 | yabo | F4t |
| 10:46.08 | yabo | i dont know about sd-cards |
| 10:46.17 | yabo | but Partitionmagic is great for partitioning |
| 10:46.25 | yabo | could give that a shot.. |
| 10:46.37 | F4t | yabo, thanks ill give it a try... |
| 10:47.11 | Shlee | ok |
| 10:47.20 | Shlee | QTextended 4.4.2 - 138 new messages |
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| 10:47.43 | Shlee | They didn't fix the cloning issue.. wish I knew how to submit a bug report for this show stopper |
| 10:47.52 | yabo | cheers at tomboy64, Kamping_Kaiser, beni_ and theblackbox |
| 10:47.55 | yabo | thanks a bunch! |
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| 10:48.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | np mate :) |
| 10:48.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | F4t, it probably wont let you partition it while its mounted (fyi) |
| 10:48.30 | jonkristian | mornin' |
| 10:49.44 | F4t | Kamping_Kaiser, can windows actually unmount something? :) |
| 10:50.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure if thats a trick question or not |
| 10:50.27 | Fougner | Kamping_Kaiser, gaaaaaaah, mounted! I tried to install Debian all night, and the installscript wrote errors like "qpe is trying to access the card, please kill it"... |
| 10:51.14 | F4t | lol |
| 10:51.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | haha |
| 10:51.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | i lost the freerunner i installed debian on :( i'm starting to wonder if i'll find it again |
| 10:52.07 | Fougner | hmm, would unmounting be the solution? |
| 10:52.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps. dpends what qpe is and why its access the device |
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| 10:53.37 | F4t | Fougner, qpe is the qtopia GUI.. |
| 10:53.47 | F4t | it is constantly accessing the sd card |
| 10:54.00 | F4t | in the guide to installing debian it says you need to stop it.. |
| 10:54.06 | F4t | /etc/init.d/qpe stop |
| 10:54.09 | alexxy | he he |
| 10:54.13 | F4t | before installing debian |
| 10:54.26 | alexxy | is there anybody who builds gentoo stages? |
| 10:54.32 | Fougner | F4t, well, and if /etc/init.d/qpe doesn't exist? |
| 10:54.41 | alexxy | we can consider our work to porting gentoo =) |
| 10:55.01 | F4t | Fougner, what operating system are you using? qtopia? or something else? |
| 10:55.15 | Fougner | I did use the 2008.9 =) |
| 10:56.35 | F4t | you coudl try 'killall qpe' |
| 10:56.39 | F4t | could* |
| 10:57.33 | F4t | or quit the gui from the moko, or something... |
| 10:58.31 | Fougner | I tried killall qpe |
| 10:59.07 | Fougner | anyway, I'm installing it now as we speak... I flashed SHR and booted.. |
| 10:59.20 | Fougner | the debian script, that is |
| 11:00.45 | F4t | the partitioning part went ok? |
| 11:01.08 | Fougner | yup |
| 11:01.20 | Fougner | what I can tell.. |
| 11:01.26 | F4t | good luck then, im off to reboot after installing some partitioning tool... :) |
| 11:02.06 | Fougner | aha, bye ;) |
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| 11:07.33 | balrog-k1n | ah, they figured out root access on android |
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| 11:19.36 | F|nger | balrog-k1n: you working with android on the OpenMoko? I can't get it to work with my sim card, keeps complainin the pin code is wrong... |
| 11:20.04 | dolf1074 | F|nger: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/11/getting-started-with-android-on-neo.html |
| 11:20.15 | F|nger | thanks |
| 11:20.16 | dolf1074 | you need to disable PIN security on the sim |
| 11:20.44 | F|nger | dolf1074: ok, lemme read that page; thanks for the hint ;) |
| 11:21.22 | balrog-k1n | F|nger: i'm not |
| 11:21.34 | Shlee | The speed seems impressive.. hopefully we can get a working on-screen keyboard and working hardware stack sooner than later |
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| 11:21.58 | dolf1074 | I also hope it sooner than later :) |
| 11:22.39 | Shlee | well, there is a onscreen keyboard in testing on Android, so that should speed things up |
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| 11:22.59 | dolf1074 | testing on Android? |
| 11:23.06 | balrog-k1n | it would be cool if someone modified all the paths to live together with a normal unix directory layout and packaged it all in ipkg or debian packages |
| 11:24.10 | dolf1074 | Shlee: what do you mean by testing on Android? |
| 11:25.09 | Shlee | I'm looking for the list. someone was working on a keyboard for G1/official repo patch |
| 11:26.12 | dolf1074 | Nice, hope it will land soon :) |
| 11:27.57 | Shlee | Out of interest, what is working? |
| 11:28.11 | Shlee | framebuffer? x? |
| 11:28.28 | Shlee | touch? speakers? mic? wifi? GPS? |
| 11:28.31 | dolf1074 | The gui is working |
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| 11:28.39 | dolf1074 | touch is workgin |
| 11:28.45 | dolf1074 | sound is working |
| 11:28.52 | dolf1074 | some people can call |
| 11:28.56 | dolf1074 | all the rest isn't working |
| 11:29.13 | Shlee | That's impressive for a week.. |
| 11:29.25 | Hire | wifi doesn't work yet |
| 11:29.26 | Hire | gps too |
| 11:29.28 | Shlee | Hopefully the OM kernel patches can be used |
| 11:29.28 | Hire | but however |
| 11:29.37 | dolf1074 | Yes, but Sean had early access to the source of Android |
| 11:29.41 | Hire | that kernel is older and the android built too |
| 11:29.48 | dolf1074 | So Sean is already busy for longer than a week |
| 11:29.59 | Hire | sean works on android porting for a years |
| 11:30.06 | dolf1074 | though it's still impressive |
| 11:30.07 | Hire | year |
| 11:30.18 | Hire | however I don't like it :) |
| 11:30.21 | Hire | i prefer SHR |
| 11:30.33 | dolf1074 | I like the idea behind SHR |
| 11:30.45 | dolf1074 | But there's not much yet |
| 11:30.56 | dolf1074 | and the gui isn't that handy/inuitive |
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| 11:31.26 | Shlee | Hire: My OM seems to have a real heavily buzz/echo.. I need to wait for them to fix those |
| 11:31.30 | Hire | for now :) |
| 11:31.43 | Hire | android? ahah, absolutely not |
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| 11:32.02 | Hire | if you want to fix the buzz and echo you can test the lastest FSO, SHR and OM testing |
| 11:32.14 | Hire | android doesn't resolv those issues |
| 11:33.15 | dolf1074 | I know, therefor openmoko has to focus on the back to basic strategy :p |
| 11:33.34 | Shlee | Hire: Agreed. I'll test SHR if you recommend the latest stable? |
| 11:33.53 | Hire | SHR isn't release test |
| 11:34.00 | Hire | SHR isn't released yet |
| 11:34.38 | Hire | for now |
| 11:34.42 | Hire | test the OM testing |
| 11:34.46 | Shlee | Having a base release is a brilliant idea. and fixing the bigger issues will restore alot of faith in the project |
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| 11:36.53 | Hire | om needs to leave that crap of qtopia |
| 11:37.08 | Hire | and help projects as fso and paroli to grow |
| 11:37.29 | Hire | and we need an help from the community for SHR |
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| 11:41.56 | dolf1074 | I know, but I can't find a manual for start to hack on the applications |
| 11:43.06 | dolf1074 | and I don't like working with bb. It takes to long and you can easily screw up your configuration and you need to start all over againg |
| 11:43.27 | rwhitby | there aint no manuals for anything related to openmoko yet ... |
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| 11:45.26 | XorA | heh, manuals, thats called the source :-D |
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| 12:02.46 | tomboy64 | wtf! |
| 12:02.50 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 12:03.01 | tomboy64 | Hire: your icons are available as a package? :-D |
| 12:03.37 | Hire | for now, no |
| 12:03.52 | Hire | because Ainulindale doesn't respond to me about that |
| 12:05.38 | tomboy64 | :-( |
| 12:05.51 | tomboy64 | can i get them somewhere? as pngs? |
| 12:07.00 | tomboy64 | Hire: ? |
| 12:07.14 | Hire | uhm |
| 12:07.19 | Hire | i can upload them ... |
| 12:07.24 | Hire | but... i am pretty lazy |
| 12:07.42 | Hire | so why don't you wait when the pack is ready? |
| 12:07.56 | Hire | it will be released very very soon |
| 12:08.10 | Tm_T | once again stupid poll: is this bad? |
| 12:08.13 | Tm_T | gah |
| 12:08.25 | Tm_T | http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/mokoback_02.jpg |
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| 12:15.00 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03erin * r9c8c832f77f4 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [gsm/ficgta01] send SIM ready if we get %CSTAT: PHB,1 or %CSTAT: SMS, 1, |
| 12:15.00 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03erin * r9f0eb58ab7cc 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [gsm/ficgta01] set Phone full functionality from AT+CFUN=0 to AT+CFUN=1 |
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| 12:34.25 | Wonka | *angst* |
| 12:34.26 | Wonka | rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c |
| 12:34.26 | Wonka | rxerr: port ch=0xb5, rxs=0x00000001 |
| 12:34.32 | Wonka | what's that in my dmesg? |
| 12:34.39 | Wonka | (there's more of it) |
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| 12:41.54 | beni_ | Wonka: dont worry, your phone just has been hacked and now failed in downloading (recieving) porn |
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| 12:42.19 | Wonka | pff |
| 12:42.26 | moo--- | hello |
| 12:42.38 | moo--- | I have succesfully suggested to some people that OpenMoko might be a good platform |
| 12:42.43 | moo--- | now I need to show a demo |
| 12:42.51 | moo--- | how do you suggested demostrating web browsing? |
| 12:43.10 | moo--- | what kernel/image/whatever combination could run stable GPRS and browser? |
| 12:46.48 | Ke | heh |
| 12:47.30 | moo--- | ke: so am I in deep trouble? |
| 12:47.47 | Wonka | debian, firefox? |
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| 12:47.50 | Fougner | hello! |
| 12:47.59 | Fougner | someone running debian on the FR? :D |
| 12:48.06 | dns53 | you can get gprs working but i have not tried it, it does not matter about the image |
| 12:48.22 | dns53 | Fougner i have tested it out ages ago |
| 12:48.29 | Wonka | Fougner: yes. see #openmoko-debian too. |
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| 12:51.49 | Fougner | hmm, I'm trying it right now, and I think I'm in Zhone.. bluish interface.. but how do I get to the fun stuff? |
| 12:52.06 | Fougner | the only thing I'm able to click is settings-icon |
| 12:53.31 | macc | Hi, building fso via the makefile for gta02 I have come to a full stop : Cannot find package gst-plugin-mad |
| 12:53.49 | macc | Any hints? |
| 12:55.04 | JaMa | macc: I solved it by replacing gst-plugin-mad with gst-plugin-ugly in packages/gstreamer/gst-meta-base_0.10.bb |
| 12:55.48 | JaMa | macc: but its not correct solution |
| 12:55.48 | macc | Thanks a lot, I'le try that. |
| 12:57.50 | macc | what would constitute the proper incantation? |
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| 12:59.30 | JaMa | gst-plugin-mad http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~bilboed/gst-plugins-ugly/tree/ext/mad is in gst-plugins-ugly, but I haven't checked if its actually builded with it in OE |
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| 13:02.08 | yabo | i am trying to install debian |
| 13:02.13 | yabo | but it wont seem to work |
| 13:02.22 | yabo | SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all |
| 13:02.39 | yabo | gets to "Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table" |
| 13:02.43 | yabo | then it stops |
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| 13:07.21 | yabo | apparently it is because i have a big sd-card (8gb) |
| 13:09.47 | Wonka | works for me |
| 13:09.54 | Wonka | just hangs after some time... |
| 13:09.57 | yabo | apparently there is a workaround on this page http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 |
| 13:10.00 | yabo | but idont understand it |
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| 13:10.28 | yabo | what do i do? :S |
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| 13:59.55 | Daramarak | What a morning. I was very happy because the FR woke up to wake me, but when I went into my living room, my cat had eaten my FR headset! |
| 14:00.31 | sakkara | XD |
| 14:00.38 | m0nt0 | loool |
| 14:00.55 | sakkara | the weirdest FR story i've heard xD |
| 14:00.59 | m0nt0 | just bite your cat |
| 14:01.29 | Daramarak | I wanted too, but it is still alive. |
| 14:01.43 | m0nt0 | damned cat :D |
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| 14:01.53 | Daramarak | Anyhow, is there any other headsets that can be used instead? |
| 14:02.13 | sakkara | all with 2,5mm jack i think |
| 14:02.20 | quickdev | Daramarak, she ate it completely? ;) |
| 14:02.36 | Daramarak | nah, there were bits and pieces everywhere |
| 14:02.44 | hari | *meow* |
| 14:02.57 | sakkara | *roar* |
| 14:03.33 | cjb_ie | a friend of mine has a cat that eats her phone chargers, but not her husband's |
| 14:03.40 | jonkristian | Daramarak: sorry, i tried to warn you about this last night |
| 14:03.51 | jonkristian | Don't let the cat get your headset i said |
| 14:04.17 | cjb_ie | it's the high-tech version of "cat got your tongue?" |
| 14:04.27 | Daramarak | hehe |
| 14:05.09 | sakkara | you should be proud of your geeky cat ;D |
| 14:05.16 | jonkristian | Daramarak: would be nice on cold days, you could just plug in the tail and wrap the cat around your head |
| 14:05.39 | sakkara | jonkristian: LOL |
| 14:05.43 | jonkristian | I sure wish i had a feature like that here in norway |
| 14:06.02 | Daramarak | Yeah could be handy now that winter is coming |
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| 14:09.51 | Daramarak | Anyone have any recommendations for a headset then? |
| 14:09.57 | jonkristian | Daramarak: yeah |
| 14:11.03 | jonkristian | Daramarak: I have a http://digitalgiftstore.co.uk/images/l_00039972.jpg |
| 14:12.16 | jonkristian | For earbuds, i'd recommend akg k340 |
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| 14:13.11 | Daramarak | With a mic? |
| 14:14.08 | jonkristian | Daramarak: I'd go for a bluetooth receiver, sony ericsson has a nice cheap one |
| 14:14.31 | Daramarak | With the FR? Would that be reliable? |
| 14:15.09 | jonkristian | Daramarak: however, if you go for bluetooth, i'd definatley not buy anything high at price, since the overall audio quality will be noticeably worse on high end equipment. |
| 14:15.58 | jonkristian | Not sure, right now im not using the fr for audio, i tried it a couple of days ago and the sound quality just sucked. |
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| 14:16.32 | jonkristian | which leads me to the question, is anybody getting a desent sound from the fr with a headset? |
| 14:16.34 | Daramarak | I haven't experienced terrible sound yet. Very loud, but not very bad. |
| 14:16.50 | jonkristian | Daramarak: what system? |
| 14:16.53 | Daramarak | But I haven't done anything to get it so |
| 14:17.04 | Daramarak | 2008.9 |
| 14:17.10 | jonkristian | I tried with 2008.9 and everything was peaking, even when i turned things down, they were. |
| 14:17.21 | Dave | JONKRISTIAN |
| 14:17.27 | jonkristian | DAVE |
| 14:17.48 | Dave | Xora, how goes it? |
| 14:18.00 | Dave | jonkristian, skjera? |
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| 14:18.26 | jonkristian | Programmerer ny nettside |
| 14:18.34 | Dave | :P |
| 14:18.40 | jonkristian | der? |
| 14:19.32 | XorA | Dave: not bad, you? |
| 14:19.51 | Daramarak | I am not sure but there might be differences on individual devices |
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| 14:20.04 | Dave | Alright, looking for new exciting purchases. |
| 14:20.18 | Dave | Actually, I could use a good pair of headphones, jonkristian :p |
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| 14:20.29 | Dave | but I don't want to spend more than $300 |
| 14:20.30 | jonkristian | Dave: :) |
| 14:20.39 | Dave | I figure $300 could get me a pretty good set |
| 14:20.48 | jonkristian | Yeah |
| 14:20.59 | Dave | :D |
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| 14:21.53 | Dave | and likely then has ANC technology, but good ones, not shitty ones that don't do much of anything :p |
| 14:22.06 | Dave | I mean I could just pickup a pair of studio headphones, but blah. |
| 14:22.20 | Dave | Plus I'm not sure if I'd want to get a wireless pair. |
| 14:24.48 | Daramarak | Is anyone using a wireless headset for the FR reliably? |
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| 15:11.27 | Blackhex | hello |
| 15:13.04 | Blackhex | When I finish bitbake -c build but I change something in bb file and I want to run bitbake -c build aggain, how do I prevent to loose my modifications in package source? |
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| 15:26.19 | Blackhex | what is staging in OE? |
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| 15:26.52 | Dave | Tanuva |
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| 15:29.11 | schannall | hey there! anyone using shr and gps working? |
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| 15:32.56 | Kensan | evening |
| 15:33.43 | Dave | GREETINGS KENSAN |
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| 15:34.39 | Kensan | Dave: always a pleasure |
| 15:34.41 | schannall | greetings |
| 15:35.00 | Dave | :) |
| 15:35.56 | Kensan | Dave: btw, debugboard serial console is still not working properly but I didn't have much time to look into it. |
| 15:36.12 | Kensan | Dave: I get garbled output but don't know what the reason is yet. |
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| 15:37.44 | Zorkman | domo arrigato ken-san |
| 15:38.08 | Zorkman | maybe you have bad fen-shui and need to place the FR in a purple room, with rooms to the south |
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| 15:39.26 | Kensan | Zorkman: heh, I am not that superstitious |
| 15:39.28 | Kensan | yet |
| 15:39.41 | Zorkman | but the FR is.... |
| 15:40.05 | cjb_ie | there was a famous mathematician that had a horseshoe up on the wall of his office. |
| 15:40.20 | cjb_ie | apparently, he didn't believe in it, but he'd been told that it worked whether you believed in it or not. |
| 15:40.55 | Zorkman | : |
| 15:40.56 | Zorkman | d |
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| 15:41.55 | cjb_ie | oops - a physicist rather than a mathematician: niels bohr. but the principle holds :) |
| 15:42.58 | Dave | Kensan :( |
| 15:43.13 | Kensan | Dave: no worries, I'll pester mwester |
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| 15:43.31 | Kensan | hm that rhymes... |
| 15:43.40 | Kensan | could be the new motto for the channel. |
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| 15:58.29 | Dave | Kensan, it's been mine for some time :D |
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| 16:08.48 | Fougner | hellu!! |
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| 16:13.09 | TAsnn | hey, does the sdhc bug still exists? |
| 16:13.28 | jancona | Hi, I'm trying to use MokoMakefile to build a toolchain ("make toolchain"0 and I'm getting the following error: NOTE: package meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0: started |
| 16:13.28 | jancona | NOTE: package meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1: task do_populate_sdk: started |
| 16:13.28 | jancona | ERROR: function do_populate_sdk failed |
| 16:13.28 | jancona | ERROR: log data follows (/media/disk/jim/projects/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1/temp/log.do_populate_sdk.12909) |
| 16:13.29 | jancona | | /media/disk/jim/projects/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1/temp/run.do_populate_sdk.12909: line 175: package_update_index_ipk: command not found |
| 16:13.32 | jancona | NOTE: Task failed: /media/disk/jim/projects/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1/temp/log.do_populate_sdk.12909 |
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| 16:13.35 | jancona | Any suggestions? |
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| 16:22.17 | yabo | Hello, i am trying to install debian on my freerunner |
| 16:22.46 | yabo | install.sh fails when it reaches Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table |
| 16:23.04 | yabo | i think it might be because my card is too big |
| 16:23.11 | yabo | there is a link to a workaround on the page |
| 16:23.14 | yabo | but i dont understand it |
| 16:25.11 | techiem2-r | too big? |
| 16:25.22 | yabo | wait no |
| 16:25.33 | yabo | but i have a big sdhc-card (8gb) |
| 16:25.33 | toggles_w | techiem2-r: thats what she said |
| 16:25.48 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 16:25.49 | yabo | and apparently that makes the installer fail some times |
| 16:25.52 | techiem2-r | ah |
| 16:26.00 | techiem2-r | I installed to a 1GB partition on my 8GB card |
| 16:26.10 | toggles_w | it's an old joke, but you gotta bust it out sometimes |
| 16:26.19 | toggles_w | Dave said it too |
| 16:26.19 | yabo | oh, smart techiem2-r. that solves it? |
| 16:26.43 | techiem2-r | well it worked |
| 16:26.44 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 16:26.54 | techiem2-r | I made a 100MB boot partition |
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| 16:27.02 | techiem2-r | and 1GB main partition for it |
| 16:27.09 | jonkristian | lol |
| 16:27.35 | techiem2-r | oh wait...10MB boot |
| 16:27.36 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 16:27.51 | techiem2-r | fat32 to make sure uboot is happy |
| 16:27.51 | yabo | techiem2-r, do you think you could help me do it again? |
| 16:27.59 | techiem2-r | I could try |
| 16:28.00 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 16:28.05 | techiem2-r | been a couple months |
| 16:28.46 | yabo | right now i have one big ext2-partition on the card |
| 16:29.16 | yabo | i need to delete that, then fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 16:29.23 | yabo | = |
| 16:29.24 | yabo | ? |
| 16:29.54 | techiem2-r | I think so... |
| 16:29.59 | techiem2-r | I think that's what I did |
| 16:30.02 | Wonka | i'd delete that _using_ fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 16:30.10 | yabo | oh yes right |
| 16:30.12 | yabo | ok |
| 16:30.14 | techiem2-r | pretty sure I manually partitioned it before doing the install |
| 16:30.18 | techiem2-r | but not 100% sure |
| 16:31.42 | techiem2-r | SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all |
| 16:31.47 | techiem2-r | maybe used that method |
| 16:31.55 | techiem2-r | *shrug* |
| 16:32.12 | Wonka | 100mb p1 /boot |
| 16:32.23 | Wonka | 6gb p5 /media/card |
| 16:32.42 | Wonka | 1664mb / |
| 16:32.49 | yabo | is there some order in which i need to make the new partitions? |
| 16:32.53 | yabo | or anything special i need to do? |
| 16:32.55 | Wonka | on p2 |
| 16:33.08 | Wonka | 256mb p3 swap |
| 16:33.14 | Wonka | is what i have |
| 16:33.16 | Wonka | and it works |
| 16:33.43 | Wonka | yabo: iirc not |
| 16:35.14 | yabo | well |
| 16:35.23 | Fougner | yabo, what brand of the SDHC? |
| 16:35.28 | yabo | sandisk |
| 16:35.35 | Fougner | okay |
| 16:35.45 | Fougner | well, I bought one yesterday and installed fine today |
| 16:35.51 | Fougner | Sandisk SDHC 8GB |
| 16:36.03 | Fougner | microSDHC* |
| 16:36.11 | yabo | yes mine too |
| 16:36.13 | yabo | umm |
| 16:36.13 | TAsnn | Fougner, cool |
| 16:36.18 | TAsnn | just what i bought today ;] |
| 16:36.21 | yabo | SDSDQ-008G-E12M |
| 16:36.27 | yabo | that is my card |
| 16:36.29 | Fougner | yabo, exactley |
| 16:36.30 | TAsnn | damn i have android on my flash |
| 16:36.40 | TAsnn | so i can't prepare the sd ;\ |
| 16:36.43 | yabo | anyway |
| 16:36.48 | TAsnn | i have to reflash ;\ |
| 16:36.54 | yabo | what partitions am i making again? |
| 16:37.09 | techiem2-r | boot |
| 16:37.11 | techiem2-r | root |
| 16:37.14 | techiem2-r | maybe swap |
| 16:37.15 | Fougner | but I had the openmoko 2008.9 before, so the card was vfatted |
| 16:37.19 | yabo | how big and stuff |
| 16:37.30 | techiem2-r | boot can be like 10MB (mine is) |
| 16:37.35 | techiem2-r | root whatever |
| 16:37.38 | techiem2-r | swap whatever |
| 16:37.39 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 16:37.42 | techiem2-r | I didn't do swap |
| 16:37.49 | techiem2-r | I made a 1GB root |
| 16:37.54 | yabo | anyway |
| 16:37.59 | techiem2-r | rest of card holds maps, etc. |
| 16:38.03 | yabo | fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 16:38.08 | yabo | n |
| 16:38.11 | yabo | 1 |
| 16:38.15 | yabo | then what? |
| 16:38.28 | yabo | wait |
| 16:38.29 | yabo | n |
| 16:38.30 | yabo | p |
| 16:38.35 | yabo | then 1 |
| 16:39.02 | yabo | +sizeM 10M |
| 16:39.08 | yabo | as last cylinder |
| 16:39.14 | yabo | makes a 10mb-partition? |
| 16:39.37 | jonkristian | +10M |
| 16:39.50 | jonkristian | not +sizeM 10M |
| 16:39.53 | Fougner | hmm, is there a way to install Debian without that script? |
| 16:39.56 | yabo | value is out of range |
| 16:40.31 | Fougner | I mean, setup partitions manually and then copy files manually? |
| 16:40.32 | Fougner | ;D |
| 16:40.52 | TAsnn | Fougner, have you encountered the filesystem header bug or what ever it's name is? |
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| 16:42.20 | Fougner | TAsnn, uhm , say what? :P |
| 16:43.06 | TAsnn | i can't recall the exact name |
| 16:43.28 | TAsnn | though the one that erases sdhc file system table |
| 16:43.35 | TAsnn | when the moko is suspended |
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| 16:44.53 | Fougner | hmm, not what I've noticed |
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| 16:46.04 | Fougner | btw, I've tried 2008.9 and FDOM (same interface), Debian, and now Qt |
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| 16:46.19 | TAsnn | cool |
| 16:46.28 | TAsnn | im just flashing 2008.9 |
| 16:46.33 | Fougner | Qt seems to be quite nice, but I've heard the GPS and so on wont work.. true? |
| 16:46.43 | TAsnn | and after that installing shr on the sd |
| 16:46.48 | TAsnn | Fougner, no idea. |
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| 16:46.56 | TAsnn | i didn't like qt at all. |
| 16:47.05 | TAsnn | android is nice, but doesn't feel like linux |
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| 16:47.08 | Fougner | yah, SHR is quite nice too, but it seems a little bit buggy =) |
| 16:47.23 | TAsnn | it just feels like a cool nokia phone |
| 16:47.27 | TAsnn | Fougner, kinda buggy. |
| 16:47.30 | Fougner | xD |
| 16:47.33 | TAsnn | but still fun |
| 16:47.40 | Fougner | yah, no doubt. |
| 16:47.44 | TAsnn | ;] |
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| 16:48.13 | TAsnn | actually from what i have noticed, zhone is better than openmoko suite 3 aka shr |
| 16:48.18 | Fougner | but... I would like to have my FR as mediaplayer and phone for daily-use... |
| 16:48.26 | TAsnn | but don't take my word on it. |
| 16:48.47 | Fougner | tries to connect to his Freerunner... |
| 16:49.06 | Fougner | TAsnn, you mean Debian-based ? |
| 16:49.20 | TAsnn | Fougner, i know. that's why i have android on my flash and shr on sd. |
| 16:49.26 | TAsnn | Fougner, no. |
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| 16:49.47 | TAsnn | i just reflashed because i needed to partition my stupid sd ;] |
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| 16:50.09 | Fougner | ok |
| 16:50.20 | TAsnn | and that droid thingy has no ssh (from what i have seen) |
| 16:50.25 | Fougner | ah |
| 16:50.28 | Fougner | nice xD |
| 16:50.33 | Fougner | no ssh, and you're quite lost |
| 16:51.06 | TAsnn | as i said, it doesn't feel like linux |
| 16:51.25 | TAsnn | it doesn't even have the usual linux dir structure |
| 16:51.30 | Fougner | what would you expect? xD |
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| 16:51.47 | TAsnn | Fougner, a nicely wrapped fso ;] |
| 16:51.59 | Fougner | hehe |
| 16:52.10 | TAsnn | instead i got a low bat suspending and not returning nokia ;] |
| 16:52.16 | TAsnn | that even has snake.! |
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| 16:53.12 | Fougner | ahaaa, let's see if I can get my uSD to work |
| 16:53.24 | Fougner | or scp some mp3 |
| 16:53.26 | Fougner | xD |
| 16:54.34 | Fougner | uhm, in Qt extended, opkg upgrade wouldn't destroy anything, would it? |
| 16:54.43 | TAsnn | Fougner, i don't think so |
| 16:54.47 | TAsnn | but hey, don't trust me |
| 16:55.00 | TAsnn | i don't like qtopia i may just want to make you erase it ;] |
| 16:55.38 | Fougner | hehe, TAsnn, you run android and SHR? |
| 16:55.51 | TAsnn | supposed to. |
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| 16:55.59 | TAsnn | though as i said i just flashed 2009 |
| 16:56.03 | Fougner | hehe, can you use it for something? =P |
| 16:56.08 | Fougner | 2008.9 ? xD |
| 16:56.17 | TAsnn | android? |
| 16:56.28 | TAsnn | i actually don't experience any of the problems reported ;] |
| 16:56.32 | Fougner | flashed 2009? |
| 16:56.40 | Fougner | yeah, android and SHR? |
| 16:56.41 | TAsnn | in the process |
| 16:56.52 | TAsnn | yeah. |
| 16:56.54 | Fougner | mediaplayer? |
| 16:56.57 | Fougner | call / sms? |
| 16:57.00 | TAsnn | as i said, that's my choice. |
| 16:57.03 | TAsnn | in android? |
| 16:57.05 | TAsnn | calls worked |
| 16:57.10 | TAsnn | didn't try anything else |
| 16:57.13 | Fougner | ah |
| 16:57.26 | Fougner | please do, I'd be happy to hear about ti |
| 16:57.28 | Fougner | it* |
| 16:57.33 | Fougner | food, bbs |
| 16:57.38 | TAsnn | hehe i need to flash it again before i try |
| 16:57.39 | TAsnn | cya. |
| 16:57.41 | TAsnn | im off as well. |
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| 17:05.42 | bipak_ | what would you say is the best kernel for (FD)OM? |
| 17:06.15 | sicu | well, SHR is bound to have a few deficiencies seeing as it hasn't been released yet.. |
| 17:06.37 | sicu | bipak_: no idea, but mwester's one worked fine for me |
| 17:06.55 | bipak_ | :) |
| 17:08.41 | yabo | how do i close programs in 2008.9? |
| 17:08.44 | yabo | using the stylus |
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| 17:09.53 | schannall | press the illume shelf |
| 17:10.04 | schannall | and then hit the "x" |
| 17:10.22 | schannall | its where you suppose the qwerty button... |
| 17:10.45 | bipak_ | "remove" |
| 17:10.56 | yabo | alright |
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| 17:11.07 | yabo | why wont Messages open? |
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| 17:17.50 | sicu | yabo: have you restarted after you flashed? always wise to do |
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| 17:26.24 | malane | I'm having trouble getting android to boot past the black screen :( |
| 17:27.07 | malane | I've tried partitioning both 2GB and 8GB cards |
| 17:27.09 | malane | but nothing :( |
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| 17:29.24 | ulf | malane: you flashed it to the phone? how big is you vfat partion and you ext3 partition? |
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| 17:35.56 | Dave | toggles :p |
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| 17:36.13 | malane | ulf: I finally got it to work on a 2GB card that i'm borrowing from a friend |
| 17:36.17 | Fougner | during boot, "debugfs dir creation failed -19" ? |
| 17:36.20 | Dave | o_O |
| 17:36.29 | Fougner | Togepi! |
| 17:36.29 | Dave | Fougner, stop breaking things! |
| 17:36.34 | Dave | That's my job! |
| 17:36.35 | malane | ulf: But I'm still unable to get it to work on my 8GB card. :( even if my second ext3 partition is <=2GB |
| 17:36.43 | Fougner | Dave, what :( |
| 17:36.47 | Dave | :P |
| 17:36.53 | Fougner | malane, Sandisk? ;) |
| 17:36.59 | malane | yep |
| 17:37.07 | malane | I have debian running on an 8GB sandisk ultra ii |
| 17:37.12 | Fougner | SDHC? |
| 17:37.18 | malane | and i'm trying to use the non-ultra ii 8GB sandisk card to boot andriod |
| 17:37.20 | malane | yes |
| 17:37.31 | malane | one 8GB SDHC sandisk |
| 17:37.40 | malane | and one 8GB ultra ii SDHC sandisk |
| 17:37.51 | malane | it worked on the 2GB sandisk |
| 17:38.16 | Fougner | hm |
| 17:38.28 | Fougner | what is ultra ii? ^^ |
| 17:38.38 | malane | it's labeled for mobile devices |
| 17:38.47 | malane | but I think it just allows a faster clock speed |
| 17:38.56 | Wonka | ultra ii is some sandisk speed classification |
| 17:38.57 | Fougner | hm |
| 17:39.02 | Fougner | ah |
| 17:39.09 | Wonka | ultra iii is faster, ultra i slower |
| 17:39.28 | Fougner | well, I have the 8GB SDHC from Sandisk.. red/black package, labeled "Sandisk Mobile" |
| 17:39.28 | malane | I was having trouble putting debian on my 8GB uSD so arne anka suggested the ultra ii class, which wroks |
| 17:39.29 | Kensan | You won't need any ultra if you use the card exclusively with the freerunner... |
| 17:39.34 | Wonka | don't see why they made it - "sdhc class 4" should be enough, imo |
| 17:39.44 | Dave | ULTRA ULTRA! |
| 17:39.57 | malane | the 8GB card I have debian on is sandisk mobile ultra |
| 17:40.10 | Wonka | this 8 gb class 4 microsdhc here does measly 274kbyte/s write speed in the supplied usb adapter |
| 17:40.14 | Fougner | Dave, stop drinking so much coffee =P |
| 17:40.15 | Wonka | *wait* |
| 17:40.28 | Dave | What coffee? |
| 17:40.31 | Wonka | ok, peaks up to over 300kByte/s |
| 17:40.31 | malane | I have a regular (regular as in no extra labeling) 8GB sandisk card |
| 17:40.42 | malane | and iti s recognized by the freerunner but I could not boot debian |
| 17:40.45 | Dave | extra labeling? |
| 17:40.50 | Dave | Is that what we're arguing about now!? |
| 17:40.53 | Wonka | Dave: "ultra ii" |
| 17:40.53 | malane | and android didnt like it either, android wouldn't boot |
| 17:40.55 | Dave | Wonka, what are you talking about? |
| 17:40.59 | malane | no ultra, no mobile labeling |
| 17:41.03 | Dave | There's two different types of Ultras? |
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| 17:41.03 | malane | just "sdhc 8gb" |
| 17:41.15 | Wonka | Dave: there are sandisk ultra i, ii and iii |
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| 17:41.25 | Dave | O_o |
| 17:41.29 | Wonka | anyway. gotta leave again. |
| 17:41.32 | Dave | What's the difference, transfer speed? |
| 17:41.35 | Dave | Quality? |
| 17:41.36 | Kensan | Dave: it's all marketing. don't bother |
| 17:41.39 | Wonka | my kingston will take a while atm |
| 17:41.43 | malane | either way android doesn't have a virtual keyboard for moko yet, and wifi doesn't work, so I'm sticking with qtopia/debian for now |
| 17:41.46 | Wonka | Dave: speed |
| 17:41.49 | Dave | I see. |
| 17:41.53 | Dave | Which on the moko, mean shit. |
| 17:41.55 | Dave | :D |
| 17:41.57 | Kensan | Dave: afaik transfer speed but it doesn't matter with the FR anyway thanks to glamo |
| 17:41.58 | Wonka | ack. |
| 17:42.02 | Dave | or perhaps an incompatability? o.O |
| 17:42.06 | Dave | right :D |
| 17:42.08 | Kensan | Dave: it treats all the cards equally :) |
| 17:42.12 | Dave | high-fives Kensan |
| 17:42.18 | Dave | hey, at least they work, right? :P |
| 17:42.37 | Kensan | high-fours Dave |
| 17:42.38 | Dave | fucking freerunner... |
| 17:42.38 | malane | for some reason u-boot wouldn't boot off my non-ultra 8gb card |
| 17:42.39 | Kensan | Dave: hm... the proper answer would be: it depends. |
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| 17:42.54 | malane | it booted off of a non-ultra 2gb, an ultra 8gb, but not a non-ultra 8gb |
| 17:43.27 | spydon | what is the difference between non-ultra and ultra? |
| 17:43.52 | malane | transfer speeds |
| 17:43.59 | spydon | okay |
| 17:44.20 | malane | I wish android wasn't dependent on a uSD |
| 17:45.21 | fredrin | What's the fastet way to transfere data into the FR now, execpt maybe taking out the SD card? |
| 17:45.45 | fredrin | wifi? |
| 17:45.47 | Dave | hmm |
| 17:46.03 | malane | how fast is bluetooth? |
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| 17:46.15 | fredrin | no sé |
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| 17:50.41 | Dave | slow |
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| 18:08.11 | Fougner | guys, the maps for the GPS:es |
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| 18:08.15 | Fougner | where can I collect and compile them? =) |
| 18:13.15 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r4753 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (hack-disable-ecc.patch hif-linux-sdio.patch series): |
| 18:13.15 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Resurrected from the dead for performance comparison of direct |
| 18:13.15 | CIA-52 | openmoko: interrupt vs. SDIO interrupt. |
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| 18:23.15 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 18:24.52 | sicu | ultra xx |
| 18:25.13 | Fougner | Ultra XXX :D |
| 18:25.34 | sicu | :o |
| 18:25.45 | sicu | i've been outdone |
| 18:25.48 | sicu | yet again |
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| 18:27.49 | sicu | so i guess my 8gb mSDHC class2 non-ultra card is the best of the best |
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| 18:30.49 | Fougner | :o |
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| 18:43.00 | bipak_ | the doomport is really impressive |
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| 18:52.56 | laen | Would you notice a speed increase if you threw away the shipped SD card and put in a high speed one? Or is the FR still reading top speeds and not reaching even the shipped SD card's capable speed? |
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| 18:58.43 | Dave | laen, doubtful |
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| 19:13.30 | gurugentoo | hmm adroid boots |
| 19:13.34 | gurugentoo | cool |
| 19:13.41 | bipak_ | yep :) |
| 19:13.46 | bipak_ | but issn that usefull yet |
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| 19:14.27 | gurugentoo | taking quite a while to boot actually... |
| 19:14.28 | Dave | guru! |
| 19:14.38 | gurugentoo | there it goes |
| 19:14.42 | gurugentoo | hey dave |
| 19:15.09 | toggles_w | Dave: ! |
| 19:17.17 | gurugentoo | hmm no wifi I see..and I'm guessing no keyboard either? |
| 19:18.26 | Fougner | honestly, it seems to me there's no really distro of use here.. either it has a lot of bugs and is unstable as heck, or, it lacks the bluetooth, wifi and GPS and stuff.. =( |
| 19:18.38 | Fougner | but there's potential... |
| 19:18.53 | Fougner | I would like to have Qt with GPS, Wifi and Bluetooth |
| 19:19.05 | Fougner | then FR would be ultimate.... or something |
| 19:19.17 | Fougner | working Debian maybe |
| 19:19.34 | laen | Fougner: Qt has GPS, Wifi and Bluetooth :O |
| 19:19.51 | F4t | Fougner, qtopia comes very close... and debian... though debian is harder to use.. |
| 19:20.28 | laen | Which is my plan.. Debian on SD, Qt on NAND. |
| 19:20.55 | laen | Anyway, gotta go drive to meh mom, she has a TomTom :) |
| 19:21.46 | Dave | YES |
| 19:21.48 | Dave | BEHOLD |
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| 19:22.25 | Fougner | Dave, you're craaaazy xD |
| 19:22.35 | Fougner | F4t, how can I get wifi installed ? :O GPS? :O |
| 19:22.37 | Fougner | I WANT! |
| 19:22.40 | Fougner | GIEF ME! |
| 19:23.08 | laen | Fougner: simple. Use iwconfig. |
| 19:24.19 | Fougner | laen, I R N00b! |
| 19:24.28 | laen | in order: "route del default gw 192.168.0.200" "ifdown eth0" "ifconfig eth0 down" "ifconfig eth0 up" "iwconfig eth0 key .." "iwconfig eth0 essid .." (those in that order) "udhcpc eth0" ..Win! |
| 19:24.29 | Fougner | I can't =( I'm too stupid |
| 19:25.17 | Kensan | or just a bit lazy? |
| 19:26.30 | F4t | laen, was my exact plan until i saw android... now android is going to be my primary when it gets fixed up |
| 19:28.01 | Fougner | laen, ifdown eth0 gives me "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured" |
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| 19:31.08 | Dave | Funger |
| 19:31.20 | sicu | Fungie |
| 19:31.24 | sicu | :o |
| 19:31.25 | Fougner | Lame! |
| 19:31.26 | jonsmith1982 | Fougner, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko |
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| 19:32.23 | Fougner | jonsmith1982, already read it.. what parts do I have to do? |
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| 19:39.48 | TAsnn | F4t, still here? |
| 19:40.50 | Fougner | TAsnn, hi! ;) |
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| 19:41.04 | TAsnn | Fougner, no android yet ;] |
| 19:41.12 | TAsnn | though 8gb seems to work ;] |
| 19:41.36 | Fougner | aha |
| 19:41.37 | Fougner | nice |
| 19:41.56 | evolux | laen: does this really work successfully for you? |
| 19:42.04 | TAsnn | and i installed a new screen protector |
| 19:42.13 | evolux | laen: most of the time, udhcpc does not get any response for me |
| 19:42.15 | TAsnn | i think it's better though it has it's issues ;] |
| 19:42.32 | Fougner | TAsnn, haha, installed ^^ |
| 19:42.51 | TAsnn | what's wrong? |
| 19:43.25 | keyborder | hello when milestone 4 will be available ? |
| 19:43.28 | jonsmith1982 | when are we likely to see the boot time and echo fixes in the main openmoko image? |
| 19:44.39 | jonsmith1982 | distrobuted with the main moko image? |
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| 19:45.36 | keyborder | yes |
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| 19:45.48 | Gromgull | sound is somehow really broken on my freerunner... |
| 19:46.08 | Gromgull | the fancy fourier transform app doesn't work :( |
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| 19:46.57 | Tig| | keyborder: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone4 |
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| 19:47.26 | Fougner | hmm, I don't have an eth0 interface in Qt.. how do I do? :S |
| 19:47.50 | KenSentMe | Is there an alternative location to download dfu-util for linux? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/dfu-util seems broken |
| 19:49.37 | samgee | how would one help get milestone 4 out the door? |
| 19:50.15 | keyborder | Tig|: what do you think how long it takes to be ready? |
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| 19:50.33 | henkie | which image has the best wifi support? |
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| 19:51.24 | Dave | Hmm, Tig... |
| 19:51.57 | Dave | KenSentMe: http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/dfu-util |
| 19:52.14 | KenSentMe | Dave, thanks |
| 19:52.46 | jonsmith1982 | its nots the easiest to understand which distro is for what/why...etc. shr is the one that should be work on for creating applications on moko at present? |
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| 19:52.55 | keyborder | Tig|: thanks |
| 19:53.03 | timur | hey guys, has anyone tried getting python-bluez on the moko? |
| 19:53.05 | Dave | :) |
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| 20:27.15 | Gnutoo | hello, is there any plan to port om2008.9 or FSO on the android G1 now that it has been rooted: http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=15&t=151&rb_v=viewtopic. is there a hardware and software(i mean things like the freeness of the drivers etc...) of both phones? |
| 20:29.14 | F4t | rooted? wasnt it open in first place? |
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| 20:32.58 | mwester | Gnutoo: why would someone want to put broken software on something that already has a working phone stack that's (somewhat) open? ;) |
| 20:33.29 | F4t | mwester, yea, good point there too :) |
| 20:34.53 | Gnutoo | mwester, mmm...you could have things such as wesnoth,doom,vim+gcc+make+gdb+gllibc-dev very easely on it with openembedded |
| 20:35.06 | [df]__ | I dunno, because they're the sort of masochist that would buy a fr in the first place? :p |
| 20:36.00 | F4t | the masochist who buy fr, want more stuff to run on it, not spread already running stuff to other devices which they dont have :) |
| 20:36.38 | [df]__ | well if they're a rich masochist they might own both |
| 20:37.30 | F4t | then they probably have a blog, and like to dismantle devices and take pictures.... |
| 20:38.12 | Tm_T | hacker culture, you do things because can, especially when people say you can't or shouldn't |
| 20:38.24 | mwester | Gnutoo: I agree that FSO should target the G1. I think that any effort by Om to do anything EXCEPT stabilize the current kernel and basic functionality would be reason for lynching. |
| 20:38.47 | SpeedEvil | doesn't quite agree with that. |
| 20:38.50 | Gnutoo | mwester, agree |
| 20:38.55 | SpeedEvil | But I've got some rope if anyone needs it. |
| 20:39.02 | F4t | got stones? |
| 20:39.03 | mwester | Om is still not fixing the suspend/resume problem, instead they are working ont he GTA03 |
| 20:39.09 | Tm_T | SpeedEvil: so what then? |
| 20:39.13 | [df]__ | well no-one said it had to be OM to do it |
| 20:39.29 | mwester | [df]: who excpet Om likes the 2008.x software? |
| 20:39.44 | mwester | and even Om is abandoning that. |
| 20:39.49 | [df] | fair point |
| 20:39.55 | [df] | ah, good |
| 20:40.10 | F4t | im just cant wait for android to be fully ported... :) |
| 20:40.11 | [df] | I think it's insane maintaining multiple stacks rather than concentrating on fso |
| 20:42.05 | slaxxin | debian-fso4 |
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| 20:47.24 | tomboy64 | [df]: it's what made linux great |
| 20:47.25 | Dave | slaxin - kinky |
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| 20:47.47 | Dave | Mwester :p |
| 20:48.15 | toggles_w | Dave: android? |
| 20:48.48 | Dave | no |
| 20:49.01 | toggles_w | Dave: puuuuuuuuuhhhhhlllleeeeeeeeez? |
| 20:49.09 | Dave | fuck that |
| 20:49.12 | toggles_w | puts a cherry on top |
| 20:49.13 | Dave | NoPhone4U! |
| 20:49.15 | toggles_w | oh.. |
| 20:49.19 | toggles_w | damn |
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| 20:50.20 | Fougner | hahah |
| 20:50.37 | Dave | Quiet, founger. |
| 20:50.38 | Fougner | Dave, you're mean! You made toggles_w (togepi) cry! =( |
| 20:50.43 | Dave | You're causing much unrest. |
| 20:51.05 | Fougner | o.O |
| 20:51.11 | toggles_w | ~_~ |
| 20:51.12 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
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| 20:51.26 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 20:51.27 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:51.32 | Dave | drit i det! |
| 20:51.32 | Fougner | hmm |
| 20:51.45 | Fougner | ? |
| 20:51.46 | ronny | apt get install kde4-desktop |
| 20:51.47 | apt | ACTION fetches install kde4-desktop |
| 20:51.47 | Dave | Founger, I see you there! |
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| 20:51.56 | Dave | ;D |
| 20:52.01 | Fougner | my name is Fougner, not Founger |
| 20:52.02 | Dave | apt get a room |
| 20:52.03 | apt | ACTION fetches a room |
| 20:52.05 | Dave | ;D |
| 20:52.07 | Dave | pets apt |
| 20:52.33 | Dave | Fougner, hahaha, oh... and to think I've been calling you Funger for the past hour or two. |
| 20:52.36 | Dave | hahaha |
| 20:53.33 | Fougner | Well, I'm quite patient =) |
| 20:53.53 | Dave | heh |
| 20:53.56 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 20:53.57 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:53.57 | Dave | Good thing, too :p |
| 20:53.59 | Fougner | apt get ~_~ |
| 20:54.00 | apt | ACTION fetches ~_~ |
| 20:54.06 | Dave | Stop abusing my apt factoid! |
| 20:54.08 | Fougner | Muhahah, apt, obey me! |
| 20:54.24 | Fougner | Dave, should I stop abusing you too? |
| 20:54.45 | Dave | Impossible! |
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| 20:54.54 | Fougner | yeah, how could I... |
| 20:54.55 | toggles_w | Fougner: kinky |
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| 20:55.07 | Fougner | toggles_w, you think? |
| 20:55.07 | Dave | trekant? |
| 20:55.16 | Fougner | Dave, circkel |
| 20:55.17 | toggles_w | i think |
| 20:55.20 | Fougner | cirkel* |
| 20:55.37 | Fougner | Dave, .no? |
| 20:55.42 | toggles_w | hmm, Dave `emerge android` didn't work.. |
| 20:55.46 | Dave | GOOD |
| 20:55.48 | Dave | It's broken |
| 20:56.04 | Dave | Android doesn't work yet. |
| 20:56.05 | mwester | tries. |
| 20:56.05 | toggles_w | Dave: fix it before i tell mwester |
| 20:56.07 | Dave | Come back later. |
| 20:56.08 | Dave | hahaha |
| 20:56.10 | mwester | "hocus pocus" |
| 20:56.13 | Dave | Oooh, I'm SO scared. |
| 20:56.19 | Dave | hides from mwester |
| 20:56.21 | mwester | Does it work now? |
| 20:56.21 | toggles_w | you will be |
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| 20:56.43 | toggles_w | mwester: whoaa.. it did.. |
| 20:56.49 | mwester | listens to his dying disk drive. |
| 20:56.51 | Fougner | thinks mwester is the most powerful wizard on this planet |
| 20:57.32 | mwester | should go back to work for a couple more hours. |
| 20:57.35 | Fougner | runs away |
| 20:58.20 | vininim | puts on robe and wizard hat |
| 20:59.00 | F4t | booting his android powered fr |
| 21:00.53 | Dave | apt summon Fougner |
| 21:00.54 | apt | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing Fougner's coordinates |
| 21:00.58 | Dave | YES |
| 21:01.03 | Dave | vininim ;p |
| 21:01.13 | Dave | Mwester, I dread that sound :[ |
| 21:01.17 | Dave | It's so eerie |
| 21:01.34 | Dave | and disturbing |
| 21:01.43 | Dave | A COMPUTER SHOULD NEVER SOUND LIKE A TRAIN! |
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| 21:03.15 | sicu | ~punish Dave |
| 21:03.16 | apt | ACTION forces Dave to install and use Windows |
| 21:03.24 | sicu | mohahaha |
| 21:03.36 | Dave | installs DR-DOS on sicu |
| 21:03.49 | toggles_w | Dave: you upgrading from Om2008.9 ? |
| 21:04.06 | Tig| | toggles_w: yes he has ported os2 warp to arm :P |
| 21:04.08 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 21:04.12 | Dave | huhuh |
| 21:04.20 | sicu | =] |
| 21:04.21 | F4t | wheres bricode? i want a working android! :( |
| 21:04.26 | toggles_w | whoa.. |
| 21:04.38 | toggles_w | F4t: Dave is providing all andriod tech support from now |
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| 21:04.44 | Dave | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 21:04.46 | Dave | runs |
| 21:04.47 | sicu | ouch |
| 21:05.05 | F4t | what happend to brian? |
| 21:05.11 | sicu | ~connect Dave |
| 21:05.11 | apt | ACTION connect's Dave to the channel, permanently! There is no escape! |
| 21:05.23 | F4t | heh |
| 21:05.32 | sicu | Dave: what's wrong with our androids ? |
| 21:05.47 | F4t | Dave: why doesnt the camera work? :D |
| 21:05.53 | Tig| | oooo an with this we go full circle: Dave, how do I get the numbers on the keyboard for my pin code on android :P :P :P |
| 21:06.14 | Tig| | do I really have to read the topic? :P |
| 21:06.16 | toggles_w | rofls |
| 21:06.23 | sicu | *grin* |
| 21:07.11 | Dave | UGGH |
| 21:07.14 | Dave | Stop harassing me! |
| 21:07.30 | Dave | Start a thread, I might answer :) |
| 21:07.48 | Dave | retreats |
| 21:08.25 | Tig| | blocks Daves exit wit a pile of freerunners |
| 21:09.59 | F4t | adds a pile of help-needing android runners |
| 21:11.08 | timur | um, this may be a stupid question, but i'm kinda stuck. how do i get configure/make scripts use the libraries in /usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib rather than /usr/lib? |
| 21:11.28 | timur | i tried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on the linker |
| 21:12.16 | toggles_w | timur: --interp-prefix=PREFIX where to find shared libraries, etc. |
| 21:12.31 | timur | toggles_w, thank you. let me give it a shot |
| 21:12.32 | toggles_w | actually |
| 21:12.39 | toggles_w | no, that qemu specific probabl |
| 21:12.43 | toggles_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.50 | timur | oh ok |
| 21:13.04 | timur | why doesn't ./configure --help list such things that could be helpful? |
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| 21:13.31 | toggles_w | timur: i think it might be package specific, that stuff may only be qemu |
| 21:13.57 | timur | oh, and configure barfed that --cross-prefix is an unrecognized option |
| 21:14.05 | toggles_w | yeah, sorry |
| 21:14.45 | toggles_w | did you try LDFLAGS linker flags, e.g. -L<lib dir> if you have libraries in a nonstandard directory <lib dir> |
| 21:15.40 | timur | well, the problem is that configure grabs the GLIB from /usr/lib |
| 21:16.06 | timur | and then make runs the arm linker trying to link the objects against that x86 lib, which obviously fails |
| 21:16.28 | timur | and i can't find a way to force configure to look somewhere else for libraries, like /usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib |
| 21:16.35 | toggles_w | ahh, i see.. can you hack configure? |
| 21:17.05 | timur | i think that'll be my next step |
| 21:17.16 | timur | just wasn't sure if there was some clean way of doing such things |
| 21:18.35 | toggles_w | sorry mate, you're on your own, but if you have an android question, feel free to come back and ask Dave |
| 21:18.44 | timur | oh, brilliant. i didn't realize that libbluetooth is already on the moko, so i can stop trying to cross compile bluez and try to cross compile pybluez :) |
| 21:18.48 | timur | it's all good |
| 21:18.51 | timur | thanks anyway :) |
| 21:19.02 | toggles_w | don't thank me, thank Dave |
| 21:19.07 | timur | hehe |
| 21:21.03 | slaxxin | thank U Dave |
| 21:23.59 | slaxxin | i need 2 more sdcards |
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| 21:29.40 | slaxxin | http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww&feature=related |
| 21:29.54 | slaxxin | prolly got a moko on it |
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| 21:36.52 | jonkristian | omg, that's actually pretty scary |
| 21:37.08 | jonkristian | I was like, wtf, return of the killerbee |
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| 21:54.25 | slaxxin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97ZTvCDIYmw&NR=1 |
| 21:54.38 | slaxxin | now that is getting there |
| 21:56.40 | jonkristian | Tried android yet? |
| 21:57.39 | leinir | It's not bad - it lacks certain features, but for a tech preview, which is essentially what the current freerunner image is, it's pretty good stuff :) |
| 21:57.57 | jonkristian | sounds good |
| 21:58.19 | jonkristian | functionality? like sms/calling etc.? |
| 22:02.43 | leinir | Works if you don't have your sim protected :) |
| 22:02.54 | leinir | That is, you can't type in texts, since there's no softkeyboard :) |
| 22:04.01 | jonkristian | cool, maybe i should try it |
| 22:04.15 | jonkristian | I mean flashing, it doesn't degrade the phone in any way, right? |
| 22:04.37 | leinir | The volume is apparently really bad, the wifi doesn't work, nor gps |
| 22:04.55 | jonkristian | hmmk |
| 22:06.00 | leinir | and of course, suspend doesn't work ;) |
| 22:08.32 | F4t | leinir, i managed to make a call in the android, though didnt hear anything, other side heard me |
| 22:08.32 | F4t | and almost managed to recieve a call |
| 22:08.32 | leinir | Hehe :) |
| 22:09.00 | leinir | i never did try the phone stuff in android, so i'm just conveying what i picked up :) |
| 22:09.53 | TAsnn | F4t, i managed to receive and make a call with android |
| 22:09.56 | TAsnn | sound was good ;] |
| 22:10.06 | F4t | how did you recieve a call? |
| 22:10.10 | timur | anyone know what package the python fcntl module lives? |
| 22:10.15 | F4t | i clicked everywhere... just couoldnt answer it |
| 22:10.28 | TAsnn | popped a window ;] |
| 22:10.46 | F4t | ....? |
| 22:10.56 | jonkristian | TAsnn: cool |
| 22:11.08 | jonkristian | Too bad android can run off of sd |
| 22:11.12 | TAsnn | yeah. |
| 22:11.19 | F4t | i got the window that says "Incoming call" and all, but couldnt actually accept it |
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| 22:11.47 | jonkristian | Might sound silly, but does flashing degrade the phone in any way, if you do it too much. |
| 22:11.59 | mjr | yes |
| 22:12.18 | F4t | i guess flash memory does have its limit, but its counted in the 100 thousands or something |
| 22:12.35 | mjr | any writing on the flash will wear it slightly, but it shouldn't be a real factor within the phones lifetime |
| 22:12.46 | mjr | unless you go gung-ho and purposefully wear it out |
| 22:12.50 | jonkristian | ok, that's what i thought |
| 22:12.55 | jonkristian | hehe |
| 22:12.59 | slaxxin | how would 1 blank flash the freerunner? |
| 22:13.03 | jonkristian | I've only flashed the phone like two times. |
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| 22:14.41 | pooze | hey all.. |
| 22:15.06 | pooze | does anybody know how to change the timeout for suspend in 2008.x without using settings? (as it doesn't start) |
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| 22:17.34 | mwester | what is "blank flash" |
| 22:19.11 | pooze | mwester: blank flash from 19th of september I think is the latest image.. then I changed to the testing repos and did opkg update && opkg upgrade |
| 22:19.33 | pooze | it's ticket 2088 that hit me. |
| 22:19.46 | pooze | so I was wondering if it's possible to change that setting from the commandline somehow |
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| 22:20.40 | faltantornillos | hi |
| 22:21.05 | faltantornillos | how can I send my appointments from evolution to the freerunner calendar app? pls |
| 22:23.14 | timur | ok, so, i'm confused. i power on BT but then running hcitool scan returns "No such device" what's uh going on? |
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| 22:30.33 | timur_ | is it not possible to turn BT on by echo 1 to power_on in sys? |
| 22:30.43 | timur_ | it just stays off when i do it |
| 22:31.42 | ColdFyre | mwester: i think he means rm -rf * that is in flash |
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| 22:39.10 | Tig| | timur_: what image are you using |
| 22:39.44 | timur_ | Tig|, the 2008.9 one |
| 22:40.25 | Tig| | is there not a gui option to turn on BT? |
| 22:40.25 | timur_ | interestingly, if I use the settings applet, the device powers on and off fine |
| 22:40.27 | timur_ | there is |
| 22:40.41 | timur_ | i'm trying a little tool to turn on BT and scan and then turn off in the background |
| 22:40.45 | timur_ | *trying to write |
| 22:42.49 | timur_ | by the way, i don't know if anyone cares or if someone did it already (i couldn't find it), but i have a PyBluez module working. I could probably put it up somewhere for others to use |
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| 22:48.54 | timur_ | um, so any idea anyone? i don't want to read the gui tool's source :) |
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| 22:52.49 | balrog-k1n | timur_: make sure the modules is not in reset |
| 22:52.52 | balrog-k1n | *module |
| 22:53.14 | balrog-k1n | i.e. try writing 0 into reset and the 1 into power_on |
| 22:53.22 | timur_ | balrog-k1n, ok, let me give it a shot |
| 22:53.47 | balrog-k1n | you should see dmesg find something connected to usb then |
| 22:54.27 | timur_ | ok, i tried |
| 22:54.29 | timur_ | it |
| 22:54.33 | timur_ | nothing in dmesg |
| 22:54.37 | timur_ | and no device shows up |
| 22:54.42 | timur_ | hciconfig can't find anything |
| 22:54.54 | yabo | hello |
| 22:55.00 | balrog-k1n | how about usb drivers, are they compiled? |
| 22:55.14 | yabo | where can i change the repository-server to use on 2008.9? |
| 22:55.25 | timur_ | i presume so, because when i power it on/off with the gui thing it does load the usb device |
| 22:55.30 | timur_ | and then hciconfig can use it as well |
| 22:55.34 | balrog-k1n | oh ok |
| 22:55.50 | timur_ | also, writing anything to the power_on file causes the usb device to disappear |
| 22:55.54 | balrog-k1n | it doesn't show in hciconfig -a, right? |
| 22:56.02 | timur_ | nope |
| 22:56.21 | balrog-k1n | maybe the gui inserts and removes modules? |
| 22:56.25 | timur_ | in fact, cat /sys/.../power_on returns 0 |
| 22:56.41 | timur_ | nope, lsmod does not show any modules loaded |
| 22:56.44 | timur_ | when i turn it on |
| 22:58.25 | timur_ | i wonder what they did to 2008.9... which brings me to my next question where is the source for all this stuff? i found the projects page, but it doesn't seem to be there |
| 22:59.17 | jonsmith1982 | timur_, i think what your looking for is in /usr/bin/exposure.py |
| 23:00.12 | timur_ | jonsmith1982, thank you. i'll look through it :) |
| 23:00.56 | yabo | So |
| 23:01.02 | yabo | i want to use the matchbox-keyboard on 2008.9 |
| 23:01.09 | yabo | what do i do? |
| 23:01.29 | yabo | does http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#How_to_install_it.3F still apply? |
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| 23:04.02 | jonkristian | yabo: hm |
| 23:04.21 | jonkristian | yabo: I got the qwerty, and didn't do anything other than opkg update/upgrade |
| 23:05.41 | yabo | #opkg update |
| 23:05.51 | yabo | * Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 23:05.52 | yabo | ? |
| 23:06.00 | jonkristian | yabo: try |
| 23:06.19 | jonkristian | killall packagekitd |
| 23:06.24 | Fougner | =D |
| 23:06.49 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4754 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libbb/ (libbb.h xfuncs.c): opkg: attached patch fixes build failures with gcc 4.3.2. patch by Enrico Scholz -- thanks! |
| 23:06.55 | jonkristian | Fougner: hi bro, what's up? |
| 23:07.09 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4755 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog autogen.sh): opkg: remove ChangeLog, add AUTHORS, remove maintainer-mode |
| 23:07.25 | Fougner | jonkristian, gooooodd thx, how r u? |
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| 23:08.29 | jonkristian | Fougner: I'm good, been a rough day, trying to decide if i should continue watching the wire season 5 or flash android:D |
| 23:09.11 | Fougner | jonkristian, which is more creative? |
| 23:09.21 | Fougner | flash android of course!!!!! |
| 23:09.22 | yabo | jonkristian, the .sig-errors are to be ignored right? |
| 23:09.24 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 23:09.29 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 23:09.35 | yabo | alright |
| 23:09.37 | yabo | thanks |
| 23:09.40 | jonkristian | Uhm, the most creative would be to sleep |
| 23:09.43 | slaxxin | 256mb for pictures video is not enough |
| 23:10.10 | Fougner | uhoh, I could fit my pr0n collection on that ;) |
| 23:11.39 | timur_ | hmm, i'll fight with it later. thanks for the help guys. |
| 23:11.56 | jonkristian | hm, what does edje-utils utilize? |
| 23:12.12 | mjr | slaxxin, yeah that's a funky little limit |
| 23:12.16 | yabo | jonkristian |
| 23:12.31 | yabo | after the opkg update, it says Installer twice down at the bottom |
| 23:12.32 | yabo | :-| |
| 23:12.48 | jonkristian | yabo: opkg upgrade and reboot |
| 23:13.11 | yabo | oh yes i suppose thats smart.. |
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| 23:17.29 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r4756 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/report: Skip measurements for which no file is available. |
| 23:19.01 | yabo | jonkristian, how do you spawn the keyboard? :S |
| 23:20.12 | jonkristian | yabo: spawn the keyboard? |
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| 23:20.28 | yabo | yeah, how do i bring it out? |
| 23:21.17 | jonkristian | yabo: it just came automaticly at the top left corner, for me. |
| 23:21.42 | jonsmith1982 | you need to install illume-config or something like that |
| 23:21.48 | jonsmith1982 | from the command line |
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| 23:23.29 | jonkristian | yeah |
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| 23:27.04 | yabo | oh ok |
| 23:31.20 | yabo | still cant see any keyboard |
| 23:31.55 | yabo | tried to install the matchbox-keyboard using http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#How_to_install_it.3F, but the keyboard didnt seem to work |
| 23:33.49 | yabo | oh |
| 23:33.55 | yabo | perhaps it is because i removed multitap-pad |
| 23:35.57 | igor321 | i just got my freerunner yesterday, and android seems the most responsive of all the images i've tried, ain't that weird? |
| 23:37.42 | jonkristian | responsive? |
| 23:38.59 | Fougner | jonkristian, "quick" or "fast" |
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| 23:39.10 | jonkristian | ah, like that |
| 23:39.43 | Fougner | ;P |
| 23:39.52 | Fougner | fastest response, maybe |
| 23:40.09 | yabo | how can i stop the screen from fading to black from a shell? |
| 23:40.27 | yabo | light starts, then after 2 seconds it fades out again |
| 23:40.38 | Fougner | yabooooo |
| 23:40.39 | Fougner | :O |
| 23:40.46 | jonkristian | just turn it off in settings |
| 23:40.49 | Fougner | debian? |
| 23:40.51 | Fougner | xD |
| 23:40.54 | yabo | 2008.9 |
| 23:41.02 | yabo | yeah jonkristian, but i cant reach the settings because my screen is black |
| 23:41.21 | jonkristian | yabo: press the power button |
| 23:41.25 | jonkristian | one small click |
| 23:41.43 | jonsmith1982 | thats in suspend mode |
| 23:41.49 | yabo | yeah johncylee |
| 23:41.53 | yabo | jonkristian* |
| 23:41.59 | yabo | but it fades out again after 2 seconds |
| 23:43.02 | jonsmith1982 | click on the taskbar then the spanner that appears to turn off suspend |
| 23:43.17 | yabo | i yanked the battery |
| 23:43.28 | yabo | btw... hai Fougner :-R |
| 23:45.22 | yabo | star trek |
| 23:45.41 | yabo | is The Next Generation the only serie with jean luc picard? |
| 23:45.47 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 23:45.56 | SpeedEvil | He popped up in voyager and DS9 |
| 23:46.00 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 23:46.02 | datenmaulwurf | yabo: first episode of ds9 ;) |
| 23:46.06 | SpeedEvil | Enterprise? |
| 23:46.11 | yabo | well |
| 23:46.24 | yabo | the only series where he is in pretty much every episode |
| 23:46.26 | yabo | ? |
| 23:46.39 | datenmaulwurf | yeah |
| 23:46.49 | datenmaulwurf | and in some st-movies of course |
| 23:47.01 | SpeedEvil | Did he pop up on enterprise? |
| 23:47.20 | datenmaulwurf | you mean enterprise-the-originals (tos)? |
| 23:47.21 | Wonka | hell no |
| 23:47.23 | jonkristian | Anybody teste gestures with the 2008.9 image? |
| 23:47.29 | SpeedEvil | datenmaulwurf: no |
| 23:47.31 | Wonka | not on ST:ENT |
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| 23:47.47 | SpeedEvil | s/gestures.*$// |
| 23:47.57 | Wonka | as kirk told him in ST:7, he didn't even shit into his pampers when Kirk was already saving the world |
| 23:48.38 | mokoman | anyone know a good tutorial on using toolchain to compile kernel modules for OM (2008.9) ? I tried the rt73.ko module for WiFi stick - compiled but not working :( |
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| 23:52.20 | yabo | tng is on tv here these days you see |
| 23:52.25 | yabo | ive never seen star trek before |
| 23:52.28 | yabo | but i quite like this |
| 23:53.10 | Wonka | don't look too much into the details... try not to care for plotholes and stuff |
| 23:53.24 | Wonka | there are worse series |
| 23:53.35 | Wonka | but there's also much better sf on the market |
| 23:53.39 | SpeedEvil | It's fine as long as you don't take it too seriously. |
| 23:53.40 | yabo | sf? |
| 23:53.54 | Wonka | yabo: Science Fiction |
| 23:53.58 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: ack |
| 23:54.02 | yabo | oh |
| 23:54.11 | yabo | much better? |
| 23:54.13 | yabo | like what? |
| 23:54.20 | yabo | please dont say stargate |
| 23:54.25 | Wonka | ah now |
| 23:54.27 | Wonka | no |
| 23:54.29 | SpeedEvil | Babylon 5. |
| 23:54.39 | Wonka | don't know too much about B5 |
| 23:54.46 | SpeedEvil | Lexx. |
| 23:54.54 | Wonka | all that FTL is... just wrong :) |
| 23:55.00 | Wonka | mostly |
| 23:55.17 | Wonka | i'd like to see Niven's Known Space stuff on TV |
| 23:55.25 | yabo | what do you like, Wonka? |
| 23:55.27 | Wonka | that's quite hard sf |
| 23:55.29 | SpeedEvil | That would be interesting. |
| 23:55.35 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: protector would be good too. |
| 23:55.44 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: that's known space universe |
| 23:55.53 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: yes - not the kzin era though. |
| 23:56.00 | SpeedEvil | Pern'd work well. |
| 23:56.10 | Wonka | some years before, yes |
| 23:56.33 | Wonka | the kzinti lesson was... nice :> |
| 23:56.35 | SpeedEvil | As would the Honor Harrington series. |
| 23:56.44 | Wonka | yabo: i seem to like quite hard sf. |
| 23:57.00 | yabo | what is hard sf? |
| 23:57.17 | Wonka | scientifically correct sf |
| 23:57.22 | SpeedEvil | yabo: Fiction based on unreal yet self-consistent predicates. |
| 23:57.32 | Wonka | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MohsScaleOfSciFiHardness |
| 23:57.49 | yabo | i want to remove the illume-keyboard and use the matchbox-keyboard |
| 23:58.01 | yabo | any ideas on accomplishing this? |
| 23:58.07 | SpeedEvil | yabo: This is not the keyboard you are looking for. |
| 23:58.08 | Wonka | http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/index.html - cool SF site |
| 23:58.13 | yabo | why? |
| 23:58.36 | Wonka | i want e17, illume and illume-keyboard on debian... |
| 23:58.39 | yabo | i like the matchbox-keyboard... everything else ive tried (the qt-extended and standard 2008.9 ones) are crap |
| 23:58.44 | datenmaulwurf | my fav: battlestar-galactica (the new ones) |
| 23:58.53 | Wonka | and get rid of this matchbox-keyboard |
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| 23:59.07 | Wonka | or at least get a decent layout for it |
| 23:59.12 | Wonka | i tried... but it sucks |
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| 23:59.18 | Fougner | Wonka, you run debian on your FR? |
| 23:59.27 | Wonka | yes |
