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| 00:01.29 | Dave | Man, fuck cellphones. |
| 00:01.54 | rysiek|pl | kinky |
| 00:03.43 | rawtatoor | Dave: fuck cellphone companies |
| 00:03.50 | SpeedEvil | networks |
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| 00:05.08 | rawtatoor | no, those are cool. just owned by big companies that suck |
| 00:05.34 | SpeedEvil | They have to be owned by big companies pretty much due to the inherent physics. |
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| 00:06.09 | rawtatoor | ya, but is the suckiness because of physics? |
| 00:06.21 | SpeedEvil | No. |
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| 00:06.32 | SpeedEvil | Just much of the bandwidth problems. |
| 00:06.45 | SpeedEvil | And the inherent charging for it. |
| 00:07.03 | rawtatoor | ya, economics might as well be physics |
| 00:13.18 | johngay | I asked about the new G1 at a T-Mobile shop the other day. |
| 00:13.47 | KenYoung | I've got a G1. The Freerunner is more fun. |
| 00:15.00 | zash | KenYoung: can you flash stuff onto the g1? |
| 00:15.59 | johngay | The guy told me that if I tried to run my own apps on the G1, the battery life would drop <30minutes and I should buy a crackberry instead. |
| 00:16.28 | KenYoung | zash, Yes. For example, if you plug it into a linux PC, it looks like a USB drive. Probably works on Windoze too. |
| 00:16.29 | Dave | rawtatoor, SpeedEvil you're both right and wrong at the same time. |
| 00:16.33 | johngay | I wonder if google knows that T-Mobile are pushing crackberry's over their G1? |
| 00:16.51 | zash | KenYoung: as in, replace the whole os? |
| 00:17.05 | Dave | nice, john |
| 00:17.09 | KenYoung | johngay, The battery life IS poor. On the other hand, the Freerunner... |
| 00:17.17 | Dave | haha |
| 00:17.32 | Dave | is marginally better, yet lacks usability? :D |
| 00:17.46 | KenYoung | zash, Oh, I didn't understand your question. I don't see any easy way to replace the OS, but I haven't tried. |
| 00:17.50 | uhsf | G1 is thinner than FR and features a sliding keyboard and standard headphone plug, i wish the FR had a sliding keyboard and standard headphone plug |
| 00:17.57 | Robot101 | not having any geoloc info |
| 00:18.01 | Robot101 | wrong window |
| 00:18.12 | evolux | YEAH |
| 00:18.14 | evolux | my software is ready |
| 00:18.24 | evolux | fully packaged and multimediaized |
| 00:18.41 | evolux | http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/fourier.html |
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| 00:19.52 | KenYoung | evolux, What is the low frequency cutoff? |
| 00:20.10 | Sargun | Cool. |
| 00:20.23 | Dave | nice |
| 00:20.32 | evolux | KenYoung: hm, let me think |
| 00:20.35 | Dave | Oh, nice moon maps, by the way, Ken. :) |
| 00:21.02 | KenYoung | Dave, Thanks! Send suggestions for new features, please. |
| 00:21.37 | johngay | I heard the G1 will only run signed stuff? |
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| 00:22.12 | Dave | Oh, my. |
| 00:22.15 | Dave | HILARIOUS |
| 00:22.24 | evolux | KenYoung: the standard setting does 512 samples for each "frame" at 44100 hertz and 16 bit |
| 00:22.28 | Dave | If you need assistance with your wireless sink, please press 1 now. |
| 00:23.07 | KenYoung | evolux, But I was wondering more about the low frequency end. |
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| 00:24.11 | KenYoung | evolux, Can it detect below 10 Hz? |
| 00:24.21 | Dave | hah |
| 00:24.50 | evolux | KenYoung: hm, i don't think so |
| 00:25.15 | KenYoung | I guess for really low frequencies, the accelerometers would be better. Ever thought of allowing them to be sampled as an option? |
| 00:25.19 | evolux | KenYoung: perhaps by increasing the number of samples |
| 00:25.40 | SpeedEvil | KenYoung: the accels are 8 bit +-2G |
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| 00:25.52 | Dave | hahaha |
| 00:25.55 | SpeedEvil | So 64 counts/G |
| 00:26.06 | KenYoung | Still it could be need to see the spectrum of vibrations below audio. |
| 00:26.07 | Dave | I wonder how much it would cost to start my own wireless provider. |
| 00:26.34 | SpeedEvil | Dave: $30 |
| 00:26.35 | Dave | I figure it'd be fairly simple. |
| 00:27.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.fon.com/en/ |
| 00:28.04 | evolux | KenYoung: with a sample size of about 2205, you could get to 10 hertz, but i don't know if the microphone is good enough for these frequencies |
| 00:28.25 | evolux | KenYoung: what are you planning to do? |
| 00:29.08 | KenYoung | evolux, But the accelerometers would work there. I don't have an immediate need, but there have been many times I've wanted something like that when looking at telescope drive systems. |
| 00:29.24 | Dave | Speedevil, yeah, cool, but that's not what I had in mind. |
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| 00:32.43 | rawtatoor | Dave: 'fairly simple' :)) |
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| 00:33.20 | kd8ikt | sonar |
| 00:33.27 | Dave | uggh |
| 00:33.49 | Dave | In other news, I don't believe that there is one good phone available for use within in the united states. |
| 00:34.05 | kd8ikt | have the speaker make a click and the mic record the timings |
| 00:34.25 | KenYoung | Dave, What do you want, that isn't available? |
| 00:34.32 | kd8ikt | think that could work? |
| 00:34.41 | mwester_ | is quite happy with the treo 650 |
| 00:34.51 | johngay | Hey mwester! |
| 00:35.29 | johngay | I'd say I'm getting about an extra hour with your kernel and gtk+ patches (-; |
| 00:36.26 | Dave | So, any constructive ideas other than sonar? |
| 00:36.29 | Dave | :P |
| 00:37.58 | kd8ikt | no thatd probably be a waste of time |
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| 00:38.50 | kd8ikt | i havent seen a WSOD lately |
| 00:40.03 | mwester_ | wants one. |
| 00:40.31 | evolux | can someone tell me the name of the accelerometer kernel module? or is it possible to deactive them? i don't get any data from /dev/input/event2 |
| 00:41.31 | kd8ikt | /sys/class? |
| 00:41.40 | kd8ikt | somewheres in the sysfs |
| 00:41.59 | evolux | hm |
| 00:42.36 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs |
| 00:43.21 | doc|home | was there a reference at some stage for gossamer threads being used to access the mailing lists? |
| 00:43.33 | mwester_ | lis302dl |
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| 00:45.56 | doc|home | mwester_: was that for me? |
| 00:46.15 | doc|home | nope, accelerometers |
| 00:46.39 | mwester_ | evolux wanted to know... |
| 00:46.45 | Dave | I wonder if 4mil is enough to start... |
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| 00:53.27 | evolux | hm, i can read the dump file, but not /dev/input/event? |
| 00:53.37 | evolux | and the dump file also changes on orientation change |
| 00:59.30 | evolux | strange |
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| 01:01.26 | Dave | bah. |
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| 01:26.27 | johngay | ljp around? |
| 01:26.38 | ljp | a bit |
| 01:27.19 | johngay | Any chance of a tarball rootfs for qtExt-4.4.2? |
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| 01:27.48 | ljp | yes, I will once I updated the rootfs. |
| 01:29.28 | johngay | OK. I really want to try qtExt but I'm not willing to flash yet and I don't have the requisite mods compiled on my box to convert the jffs2 image. |
| 01:29.47 | Dave | I wouldn't bother if I were you :p |
| 01:30.40 | johngay | I'm getting more and more frustrated by 2007.2's slowness and I want to code in qt for my FR. |
| 01:31.15 | Dave | traitor. |
| 01:31.43 | jonkristian | laen: earlier, he wasn't talking about the qwerty keyboard, he was talking about æøå keys, which are missing, because they are norwegian/danish characters. |
| 01:31.55 | Dave | YES |
| 01:32.04 | Dave | jonkristian =[ |
| 01:32.10 | jonkristian | Dave: :) |
| 01:32.23 | johngay | but I like qt. |
| 01:32.35 | Dave | needz moar bokmål! |
| 01:33.38 | jonkristian | Time for bed |
| 01:33.53 | Dave | hade |
| 01:33.54 | johngay | nite jonkristian |
| 01:34.07 | jonkristian | Good night guys:) |
| 01:34.12 | jonkristian | Dave: btw, Norsk? |
| 01:34.29 | Dave | ja, snakker |
| 01:35.49 | Dave | møøø |
| 01:38.54 | mwester_ | A møøse bit my sister once. |
| 01:39.14 | mwester_ | mynd you, møøse bites can be very painful |
| 01:42.58 | Dave | hah |
| 01:43.04 | Dave | there's a moose loose in the hoose! |
| 01:44.13 | mwester_ | desperately needs coffee. |
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| 01:44.50 | johngay | turns on the coffee pot |
| 01:44.57 | ljp | Dave: Qt is the future |
| 01:45.13 | KenYoung | Gosh I hope not. |
| 01:45.35 | johngay | qt is 'a' future. |
| 01:45.42 | mwester_ | doesn't necessarily like it, but with Android *not* X11, it seems that the future for mobile devices may not include X11... |
| 01:45.46 | KenYoung | That's fine. |
| 01:46.43 | ljp | well, certainly gtk is not the future |
| 01:46.43 | mwester_ | Is it possible to build a gtk+ toolkit for Qt? |
| 01:46.56 | mwester_ | There's a lot of software for gtk |
| 01:47.04 | johngay | X11 is quite big for mobiles anyway. |
| 01:47.27 | mwester_ | X11 became too big for anything, IMO -- classic case of trying to be all things to all people. :( |
| 01:47.54 | johngay | ljp, how hard would it be to port other GUI tools to use qtExt instead of X? |
| 01:48.27 | mwester_ | Or is it possible to run a small specialized X server in a QtExtended "window" so that X apps would be fooled into being happy? |
| 01:48.33 | ljp | not sure, surely not a simple task |
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| 01:48.45 | ljp | mwester_: xqt |
| 01:49.00 | ljp | did just that, but its stuck in qt2 |
| 01:49.33 | johngay | There is quite a bit of support for other GUI kits. |
| 01:51.08 | mwester_ | ljp: I *almost* had a working FSO-based rootfs for Qt Extended (needed some hand tweaking, but it's running on my FR now) -- some big FSO changes just got committed so I need to deal with that in order to commit it. |
| 01:51.24 | mwester_ | ljp: the big problem is the toolchain is turning out to be a nightmare to build correctly. :( |
| 01:51.33 | ljp | bummer |
| 01:52.02 | mwester_ | I can get it all to work with the old toolchain, but many complaints at runtime about version problems with libstdc++ |
| 01:52.21 | mwester_ | But the new toolchain has pkg_config problems. |
| 01:52.57 | mwester_ | Or rather, it and Qt Extended disagree on how pkg_config should be handled, and my pkg_config foo is pretty close to zero. :( |
| 01:53.08 | mwester_ | Never-the-less, I continue to work on it. :) |
| 01:53.29 | ljp | mwester_: I just stick the libstdc++ in the toolchain on the device :) |
| 01:53.45 | mwester_ | Oh. |
| 01:53.49 | mwester_ | :-D |
| 01:53.56 | mwester_ | That explains a lot! :D |
| 01:54.02 | ljp | qtext expects pkgconf {prefix} to be set correctly |
| 01:54.30 | mwester_ | In the latest toolchains, sysroot is used so that the {prefix} is always /usr/... |
| 01:55.05 | mwester_ | And the configure script stuff hardcodes a reference to /usr/bin/pkg_config instead of using the one provided by the toolchain. |
| 01:55.36 | johngay | Anyone tried kubuntu-8.10 with KDE-4 yet> |
| 01:55.39 | mwester_ | But when I fix that, everything except dbus-1 works -- for some reason it barfs on that dependency. |
| 01:59.03 | ljp | johngay: yes |
| 01:59.40 | ljp | mwester_: sometimes dbus packages put includes in lib/dbus-1/include |
| 01:59.57 | ljp | i hate that |
| 02:00.07 | mwester_ | Yes, that's where it is in the new toolchain. |
| 02:00.15 | ljp | that so retarded |
| 02:00.44 | ljp | whats next.. putting libs in include/ ? |
| 02:00.50 | mwester_ | I think I may have broken that in my hacking about with it, to be fair. |
| 02:01.16 | mwester_ | According to pkg_config it is supposed to be in .../usr/include/dbus-1/... |
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| 02:05.58 | mwester_ | Er, yes, that was my mistake. It's in /usr/include/dbus-1 now, as it should be. So why does configure puke all over, complaining that it cannot find the dbus header files??! Grr. |
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| 03:03.46 | duffyd | hi, I'm trying to flash my neo but it's complaining that there are more than 1 DFU capable devices found |
| 03:03.52 | duffyd | never seen this issue before - any ideas |
| 03:04.11 | duffyd | I mean when I do a --list it does show 2 but this is first time I've seen this kind of behaviour |
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| 03:14.42 | mwester | duffyd: unplug your bluetooth USB device (or turn off bluetooth from the keyboard or switch if it's built in). |
| 03:15.04 | mwester | Or use the args to dfu-util to tell it which one to use. |
| 03:15.16 | duffyd | mwester: cool, that would be it |
| 03:15.20 | duffyd | I was trying to use the args but no dice |
| 03:15.26 | duffyd | so will turn off bluetooth |
| 03:15.29 | duffyd | dang new laptop :) |
| 03:16.15 | duffyd | annoying thing is switch for wifi also controls bt |
| 03:16.36 | duffyd | now that's great usability ;) |
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| 03:17.51 | duffyd | mmm how do I find out the vendor:product id |
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| 03:20.07 | Dave | gurugentoo :p |
| 03:20.14 | Dave | 8W, apparently |
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| 03:51.36 | Dave | So... how about those new MBP's? |
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| 03:54.19 | slaxxin | i would bet that when fso 3 arrives a better debian will arrive also |
| 03:54.42 | Dave | heh, slaxin |
| 04:00.38 | duffyd | slaxxin: you using that on the neo or freerunner? |
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| 04:09.12 | kdubois | my freerunner has the really dead battery problem. its been charging for a week, and wont turn on :( |
| 04:13.55 | stevenSn | kdubois: Did you try holding down AUX then pressing power? |
| 04:14.49 | kdubois | yeah, but no bones |
| 04:17.04 | Dave | kdubois: the problem is it's not actually charging, as evident by your results :P |
| 04:18.09 | kdubois | right. what can i do if i dont want to get another battery? |
| 04:18.32 | Dave | uhh |
| 04:18.35 | Dave | Unsure! :D |
| 04:18.46 | Dave | Usually I'd just jump-start it using another battery :\ |
| 04:19.38 | kdubois | yeah, i wish i could send it back to FIC so they could fix it |
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| 04:21.00 | mwester_ | Try booting it up into NOR flash (follow the wiki instructions). |
| 04:21.07 | mwester_ | That's really your only hope at this point. |
| 04:21.18 | Dave | It sounds like he can't even get to uBoot :\ |
| 04:21.27 | mwester_ | If it won't do that, then you'll need to get some energy into the battery somehow. |
| 04:21.58 | mwester_ | The newer GTA02's will boot from NOR without a battery, and that's enough to get charging started, but the older ones can't do it. |
| 04:22.23 | kdubois | yeah, i actually just discovered that the power strip the charger was plugged into for a week was off.. [doh] and i do have an older one... |
| 04:22.52 | mwester_ | A week shouldn't be enough to kill the backup battery for the PMU, though. |
| 04:23.13 | SpeedEvil | mwester-trip: is that a firmware change? |
| 04:23.14 | kdubois | no, before that, it was in my drawer for two months. i was punishing it for breaking |
| 04:23.31 | kdubois | :D |
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| 04:23.45 | mwester_ | SpeedEvil: I understand that it requires a larger capacitor on the Vsys line, and a newer u-boot -- both are required. |
| 04:23.53 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 04:24.02 | mwester_ | kdubois: :( |
| 04:24.17 | SpeedEvil | holds up a charged 2KV 10uF cap, and screams 'We can repair it!'. |
| 04:24.24 | kdubois | yeah, by breaking i mean, incapable of sending sms. now its really broken |
| 04:24.36 | mwester_ | 2KV -- yeah, well, that'll be interesting anyway :-D |
| 04:24.49 | slaxxin | gosh |
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| 04:25.30 | Dave | :D |
| 04:25.52 | slaxxin | wasa |
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| 04:26.23 | mwester_ | kdubois: you need to find someone with a Nokia phone that takes a BL-5 battery, and see if you can get it to charge your FR battery. Or borrow the BL-5 to boot the FR to u-boot, and swap battery at that point. |
| 04:26.29 | slaxxin | whats a good battery meter dor debian |
| 04:26.43 | slaxxin | thats hoew |
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| 04:26.59 | slaxxin | a gui 1 |
| 04:27.09 | Dave | nice typing there, slaxxin :p |
| 04:27.16 | kdubois | mwester_: i will begin the search... |
| 04:27.17 | slaxxin | me hehe |
| 04:27.36 | mwester_ | slaxxin is asleep ;) |
| 04:27.38 | slaxxin | even a cave man can |
| 04:27.43 | Dave | haw |
| 04:28.40 | slaxxin | fat fingered left 1 handed jab picking |
| 04:29.55 | slaxxin | i keep notes though so i only ask a question 1 time mostly |
| 04:30.57 | netx | anyone experiencing an bug in om2008.9 where, when the phone has been suspended for a while, when you click the button to unsuspend, it unsuspends but resuspends a few seconds later? |
| 04:31.18 | slaxxin | yup |
| 04:31.20 | netx | but then you click to unsuspend again and it unsuspends correctly |
| 04:31.42 | slaxxin | or if u plug an uplug the charger |
| 04:31.49 | netx | its pretty minor as far as bugs go, but still annoying |
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| 04:32.00 | slaxxin | but mine kinda locks up |
| 04:32.28 | netx | yeah, another bug is when i need to charge the phone, i plug it in, nothing happens for a while, so i unplug it and replug it and it begins charging |
| 04:33.06 | netx | re the suspend issue, mine seems to lock up sometimes iff i click the power button as it is resuspending |
| 04:33.16 | netx | so i have learned to wait a few seconds before clikcing it the 2nd time |
| 04:33.46 | netx | all in all though, om2008.9 is quite good though |
| 04:33.58 | mwester_ | You might try a newer kernel, and a newer u-boot, but that also may have risks. |
| 04:34.06 | slaxxin | did u build it or fdom |
| 04:34.26 | netx | yeah, i have seen some warnings that updates introduce new bugs, so i am waiting before i upgrade again |
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| 04:35.39 | puppe | trying to flash my kernel with this command: sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ../Desktop/OM/200809/Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin |
| 04:36.06 | puppe | but get this error message: |
| 04:36.07 | puppe | Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... |
| 04:36.07 | puppe | Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... |
| 04:36.07 | puppe | Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 |
| 04:36.07 | puppe | dfuERROR, clearing status |
| 04:36.07 | puppe | not at least 2 device changes found ?!? |
| 04:36.07 | SpeedEvil | mwester-trip: can the CMOS battery be damaged by being flattened? |
| 04:36.09 | puppe | Opening USB Device... |
| 04:36.11 | puppe | No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" |
| 04:36.20 | puppe | oh, sorry for that... |
| 04:36.29 | puppe | any idea? help? |
| 04:36.58 | mwester_ | SpeedEvil: Good question -- I'm not sure what type of cell it is. For all I know, it might be completely rechargeable. Where's doc|home when you need him? |
| 04:37.12 | mwester_ | (I suppose the schematics might have the info, too) |
| 04:37.41 | mwester_ | puppe: power off the phone, and re-enter NAND flash. |
| 04:37.57 | mwester_ | ~pastebin |
| 04:37.57 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 04:37.58 | SpeedEvil | The schematics don't always have exact part numbers. |
| 04:38.07 | raster | like |
| 04:38.14 | mwester_ | like? |
| 04:38.15 | SpeedEvil | Of course any at all is good :) |
| 04:38.15 | raster | "put some chip here that does something funky" |
| 04:38.28 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember the example. |
| 04:38.33 | raster | select his chip-of-funk |
| 04:38.34 | mwester_ | "put something here that pretends to be a GSM" |
| 04:38.39 | puppe | Will do. Thanks mwester. Will do that to. |
| 04:38.45 | mwester_ | np |
| 04:38.57 | raster | mwester_: it'd definitely focusing on the "pretends" bit :) |
| 04:39.00 | raster | it's |
| 04:39.01 | raster | :) |
| 04:39.06 | Dave | Raster! |
| 04:39.19 | mwester_ | But we can reflash it now. That's progress. :) |
| 04:39.19 | SpeedEvil | Forex an inductor - 22uH (say) but is it a RF filter, or a power device. |
| 04:39.28 | mwester_ | Ah. |
| 04:39.30 | Dave | 1.21JW? |
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| 04:49.14 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Manual_Debian#Sound |
| 04:49.29 | slaxxin | that link needs repair |
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| 04:52.39 | doc|home | mwester_: me |
| 04:52.39 | doc|home | ? |
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| 05:03.06 | mwester | doc|home: You're supposed to be asleep! :D BTW, I checked the SIMs -- even the brand new one from AT&T works fine for me. |
| 05:03.29 | doc|home | mwester: erm, I have no clue what you're talking about :) I'm in Canada. You must have me mistaken with someone else :) |
| 05:03.31 | mwester | We were wondering if the backup battery for the PMU is rechargeable |
| 05:03.44 | mwester | doc|home: Ah, perhaps. |
| 05:03.51 | mwester | Never mind then! |
| 05:03.56 | doc|home | hehe |
| 05:04.02 | mwester | Unless of course you know about the backup battery ;) |
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| 05:07.34 | doc|home | yes, I am a master of all things battery backup relate... no, no clue, sorry |
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| 05:14.20 | raster | Dave: dooov! |
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| 05:29.36 | puppe | Trying to do opkg update but get this message: Could not obtain administrative lock (even though the # indicates I am running as root, and I have not made any other user either)??? |
| 05:31.05 | gurugentoo | puppe: killall packagekitd |
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| 05:31.59 | puppe | Thanks guru |
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| 05:45.50 | puppe | when doing opkg update (and following with upgrade) I get this: http://paste.debian.net/20622/ |
| 05:46.07 | puppe | so I guess something is pretty wrong. Any ideas? |
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| 06:30.00 | Sargun | Dear OM, how are you guys doing considering Dash's state? |
| 06:30.40 | swc|666 | ? |
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| 08:05.55 | Daramarak | Good morning all (it is to me) |
| 08:06.25 | Daramarak | I have problems with the suspend on 2008.9 is there any resolutions to this yet? |
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| 08:30.26 | gromgull | Anyone else notice problems with pre-formatted text getting messed up in the wiki? |
| 08:30.28 | gromgull | like here: |
| 08:30.34 | gromgull | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Building_a_hello_world_application&curid=2799&diff=58909&oldid=53441 |
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| 09:01.05 | Daramara` | Anyone here knows about windows networking. Got my FR setup with putty has setup internet sharing with a another connection, but still my FR can only ping itself and the windows computer (192.168.0.202 and 192.168.0.200) |
| 09:02.20 | Hire | because you need to abilitate the ip fowarding |
| 09:03.17 | dns53 | check the wiki for how to setup forwarding |
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| 09:09.44 | Daramara` | Hire:thanks |
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| 10:08.55 | TAsnn | where do the openmoko-3 apps in shr store their data? |
| 10:09.02 | TAsnn | i.e contacts and messages |
| 10:16.36 | jonsmith1982 | is there no cpan module for the perl package? |
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| 10:21.28 | Daramarak | Do you setup the GPS and get a first fix on 2008.9 in the same way as with 2007? |
| 10:22.22 | laen | Questions questions.. and no answers :P |
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| 10:24.34 | Daramarak | Yeah, I have to learn first, answer later. |
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| 10:32.05 | dns53 | you turn it on and it gets the fix, i also use agpsui to toggle it as that also shows the signal graphs etc |
| 10:33.06 | Daramarak | Ok, apgsui, i'll try that. Thanks. |
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| 10:55.52 | TAsnn | how do i clear the cache in opkg? |
| 10:55.57 | TAsnn | if there even is one |
| 10:57.46 | XorA | cache? |
| 10:58.35 | gromez | where .ipk are downloaded i think |
| 10:59.02 | jonkristian | damn, sd is automounted, that's ok, but i can't umount it |
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| 10:59.58 | gromez | jonkristian: kill qpe or something like that |
| 11:00.58 | jonkristian | So yeah, i formatted the sd, and quickly tried to create an fs on it |
| 11:01.09 | jonkristian | It hangs on, Writing inode tables: |
| 11:01.16 | jonkristian | Pretty wicked, huh |
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| 11:59.00 | Nobody96 | moin |
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| 12:15.46 | jonkristian | Can music be added to subfolders under Documents, like, Documents/Music/Artist/Album/*.mp3? I can't seem to find anything atm, with 2008.9 and qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer |
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| 12:22.16 | jonkristian | Hm, media player seems to not work at all for me |
| 12:23.51 | Hire | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 |
| 12:24.21 | Hire | image of android on FR is available now |
| 12:24.37 | jonkristian | sweeeeeeet:D |
| 12:24.57 | Shlee | does it have a keyboard ;) |
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| 12:25.07 | Shlee | or support the calypso? |
| 12:25.32 | Hire | i don't know |
| 12:25.36 | Hire | if you want you can test it |
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| 12:28.21 | jonkristian | Anybody got the qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer working on 2008.9 ? |
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| 12:32.58 | yabo | Android |
| 12:32.59 | yabo | ' |
| 12:33.02 | yabo | how is it? |
| 12:33.36 | [df]_ | is about to have a look |
| 12:33.55 | yabo | and how does Android and the freerunner work as a phone? |
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| 12:34.12 | yabo | atm im running debian off my sd-card, and qtopia from flash which i use for phone-stuff |
| 12:34.21 | yabo | but im thinking about replacing qtopia with Android |
| 12:34.25 | [df]_ | I don't have very high expectations at this stage |
| 12:35.20 | yabo | really? |
| 12:35.41 | jonkristian | replacing qt-extended with 2008.9 was the best descition I've made:) |
| 12:35.57 | yabo | really, jonkristian? why? |
| 12:36.05 | Hire | if you want you can test the testing image |
| 12:36.08 | Hire | it works nice |
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| 12:36.24 | Hire | and solved some issue as echo, resolv.conf and others |
| 12:36.48 | jonkristian | yabo: Because I think it's better than qt-extended, nicer interface and it has wlan/gps |
| 12:37.06 | jonkristian | only thing is, i can't seem to get the mediaplayer working |
| 12:37.24 | yabo | how does it work as a phone? |
| 12:37.28 | yabo | calling/messaging |
| 12:37.29 | yabo | and ss |
| 12:37.33 | jonkristian | it works good |
| 12:37.33 | yabo | staying registered with gsm |
| 12:37.38 | jonkristian | yeah, no problems |
| 12:37.48 | yabo | what about echo? |
| 12:37.51 | jonkristian | i've received calls when suspended, messages |
| 12:37.58 | jonkristian | minimla |
| 12:38.01 | jonkristian | minimal* |
| 12:38.08 | jonkristian | At least those I've talked to said so |
| 12:38.36 | yabo | alright |
| 12:39.06 | yabo | last time i tried 2008.9 it was really slow, and the menu was buggy |
| 12:39.32 | jonkristian | It's a little bit slow, but I haven't experienced anything being buggy. |
| 12:39.35 | Shlee | QTextend has massive echo problems.. |
| 12:40.22 | Shlee | I doubt you'll be able to do anything with android at this point |
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| 12:48.45 | gromez | well, black screen while booting sean mcneil android image |
| 12:50.06 | spydon | does anyone know the blog of that guying porting android to freerunner? |
| 12:50.30 | gromez | http://benno.id.au/blog/ ? |
| 12:50.54 | [df]_ | gromez: me too |
| 12:52.09 | Shlee | God speed coders :D |
| 12:53.16 | spydon | gromez, thx, but I think I were on another blog before... :P |
| 12:53.59 | FilipLinux4 | gromez: , [df]_ : GTA02 ? |
| 12:54.17 | gromez | FilipLinux4: yes |
| 12:54.29 | gromez | spydon: this one http://perpetual-notion.blogspot.com/search/label/android ? |
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| 12:54.49 | spydon | yeah thats the one :P |
| 12:54.51 | spydon | thx |
| 12:55.47 | [df]_ | FilipLinux4: yes |
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| 13:04.20 | Dave | hei jonkristian :) |
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| 13:05.23 | jonkristian | Dave: Heisann |
| 13:05.32 | Tm_T | no hei hei |
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| 13:05.50 | Dave | :] |
| 13:09.50 | jonkristian | wow, sound from the fr to a headset is really terrible. |
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| 13:15.21 | ernst | hi i flashed fr with android image http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 but i want to boo and i have a black screen |
| 13:15.40 | ernst | is this brocken ? |
| 13:15.47 | laen | Verry brocken. |
| 13:16.06 | ernst | do you know about android image ? |
| 13:16.20 | dolf1074 | I'm booting it now |
| 13:16.42 | ernst | and ? |
| 13:16.53 | dolf1074 | black screen :( |
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| 13:16.57 | ernst | Fuck |
| 13:17.06 | laen | Hey, calm down there. |
| 13:17.07 | ernst | i 'm booting 10 minutes |
| 13:17.20 | dolf1074 | maybe because the images are build for the neo1973 |
| 13:17.24 | ernst | but the entry was removed from openmoko.org |
| 13:17.34 | ernst | oh no |
| 13:17.46 | ernst | can i use an old gta02 kernel ? |
| 13:17.52 | ernst | with android support ? |
| 13:18.05 | joerg_42 | dolf1074: 1973 is without glamo |
| 13:18.23 | laen | ernst: afaik there is no andriod release for the freerunner yet. |
| 13:18.41 | joerg_42 | so display driver is a big difference |
| 13:18.42 | [df]_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 suggests it is a freerunner image |
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| 13:19.26 | ernst | hm |
| 13:19.34 | dolf1074 | yeah and on many places he says it's for the freerunner. But I only has seen a photo of a neo1973 with the android |
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| 13:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | dolf1074: hmm, they are hard to tell apart. MAybe on the device on the photo the frontcover of housing was swapped ;-) ? |
| 13:23.38 | pazante | i have android running on my freerunner |
| 13:24.14 | dolf1074 | pazante, did you just flash the uImage and the jffs2 file? |
| 13:24.21 | dolf1074 | or did you do more? |
| 13:24.22 | pazante | yes |
| 13:25.04 | pazante | uImage change it so it had .bin |
| 13:25.35 | [df]_ | shouldn't make a difference should it? |
| 13:25.35 | dolf1074 | I just saw the uImage hadn't .bin as extention |
| 13:25.39 | dolf1074 | will try it |
| 13:25.41 | dolf1074 | you never now |
| 13:25.58 | pazante | but it dosen't register to my network |
| 13:26.29 | dolf1074 | pazante: did you flash it with neotool? |
| 13:26.55 | pazante | no with dfu-util |
| 13:27.21 | dolf1074 | will try that now, because it didn't work with just renaming the kernel. |
| 13:27.55 | [df]_ | same here - screen goes white for a second then black |
| 13:28.07 | pazante | it takes a while for it to boot |
| 13:28.23 | dolf1074 | and the screen stays black? |
| 13:29.35 | pazante | then after some time you see little android icons |
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| 13:29.54 | [df] | hmm, I'll try leaving it for longer, but I left it for a while before |
| 13:30.33 | spydon | pazante, is it slow? |
| 13:30.45 | pazante | no pretty fast |
| 13:31.08 | dolf1074 | and does sms already work? |
| 13:31.12 | dolf1074 | I assume no |
| 13:31.17 | pazante | much faster then the other images |
| 13:32.24 | pazante | i don't think there is a keyboard |
| 13:32.45 | spydon | nice ^^ |
| 13:32.56 | dolf1074 | but can you receive sms? |
| 13:33.06 | dolf1074 | or calls |
| 13:33.34 | pazante | it dosen't register to my network |
| 13:33.37 | sicu | [20081104-142555] <pazante> but it dosen't register to my network |
| 13:33.42 | sicu | ^^ |
| 13:34.25 | dolf1074 | Than I wasn't on the channel ^^ |
| 13:34.40 | cjb_ie | sicu: your clock is about three seconds slow :-) |
| 13:35.31 | sicu | cjb_ie: damn :p |
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| 13:38.54 | pazante | it suspended the phone and i had to remove the battery for it to work again |
| 13:39.12 | emacsian | pazante: same here |
| 13:39.35 | emacsian | but now it won't even boot up, |
| 13:40.08 | pazante | mine boots just fine |
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| 13:40.43 | pazante | now it even registered to my network |
| 13:42.03 | emacsian | I removed the battery again, looked like a kernel panic or something, the red light on the AUX button kept on blinking |
| 13:42.06 | emacsian | boots fine now |
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| 13:45.04 | laen | emacsian: wish my light blinked :Ã |
| 13:45.15 | laen | emacsian: what kernel are you using if i may ask? |
| 13:45.48 | emacsian | the one from here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3#Images |
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| 13:50.49 | sakkara | hm tried android on nand, works but it says my pin is not working... |
| 13:51.06 | sakkara | and now my qt image on sd doesnt boot anymore --> kernel panic |
| 13:51.12 | sakkara | =( |
| 13:51.41 | [df] | is it possible android doesn't like the fact that there's no sim in my fr? |
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| 13:52.31 | ernst | what can i do to make my freerunner happy with android |
| 13:52.42 | laen | Paint it happy colors :P |
| 13:52.48 | dolf1074 | cry like me |
| 13:53.20 | [df] | cries |
| 13:53.27 | laen | lol |
| 13:54.18 | [df] | what's the hardware release date for those of you that have it working? mine's 20080722 |
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| 13:58.41 | sakkara | [df]: whats your problem? |
| 13:58.52 | dolf1074 | cannot boot android |
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| 13:59.45 | sakkara | what does it make instead? |
| 14:00.01 | dolf1074 | the screen stays black for ethernity |
| 14:00.11 | sakkara | i also thought that, and wanted to remove bat, but after a while it booted... |
| 14:00.57 | dolf1074 | I will complain again in another 10 minutes :p |
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| 14:01.54 | Hire | argh |
| 14:02.02 | Hire | my fr doesn't boot android |
| 14:02.10 | Hire | the screen is always black |
| 14:02.17 | dolf1074 | for how many minutes now? |
| 14:03.27 | Dave | Good. |
| 14:03.33 | Dave | It means you shouldn't be using it :P |
| 14:04.29 | Hire | me? |
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| 14:04.32 | Hire | always |
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| 14:04.35 | Dave | huhu |
| 14:04.39 | Hire | how much time I need to wait? |
| 14:05.32 | Dave | Until it's finished downloading all your personal information ^^ |
| 14:05.32 | Kensan_ | Hire: maybe you can ping Bricode once he is on again. |
| 14:05.37 | FilipLinux4 | android working/not working: are you connected torugh USB or charger ? |
| 14:05.40 | Kensan_ | Hi Dave |
| 14:05.45 | FilipLinux4 | using nor or nand boot ? |
| 14:05.46 | Dave | Hail |
| 14:07.20 | Hire | pings bricode |
| 14:07.20 | dolf1074 | FilipLinux4: not connected to usb or charger | using nand boot |
| 14:07.20 | Hire | but... isn't he in vacation? |
| 14:07.20 | Dave | hah |
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| 14:07.50 | Kensan_ | Hire: don't know. You could always post to the community or devel list i guess. |
| 14:07.54 | TAsnn | hey, what's the correct wpa driver to choose in wifi-radar? |
| 14:08.29 | FilipLinux4 | dolf1074: maybe it enters suspend before finishing boot ? might try connecting it to power |
| 14:09.01 | dolf1074 | trying... |
| 14:09.34 | sakkara | ok guys, android not booting without sim and sd for me... |
| 14:09.40 | sakkara | with it does |
| 14:09.41 | Hire | <Kensan_>: i just do it :D |
| 14:10.07 | dolf1074 | sakkara: I have a sim and sd inserted |
| 14:10.18 | Dave | What's an android? :P |
| 14:10.53 | Kensan_ | Dave: ask mwester |
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| 14:10.57 | Kensan_ | ;) |
| 14:11.08 | sakkara | dolf1074: hm sorry for you... |
| 14:11.20 | [df] | hmm, I'll trying putting a sim in |
| 14:11.29 | Hire | slaps Dave for fun |
| 14:11.45 | Fougner | hey guys! |
| 14:11.47 | XorA | ~fish Dave |
| 14:11.48 | apt | ACTION slaps Dave around with a large trout |
| 14:12.47 | ernst | whats about milestone 4 from fso ? |
| 14:12.51 | toggles_w | oh yeah, that sounds like fun |
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| 14:15.09 | Kensan_ | Hey XorA |
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| 14:16.43 | Kensan_ | XorA: when you were working on boottime optimization, did you give upstart a try? |
| 14:17.44 | XorA | Kensan_: I never made the system boot with upstart, with some of my checking I determined we had maxed out anyway so running parrallel tasks didnt help |
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| 14:19.05 | Kensan_ | XorA: ah ok. My stripped down illume-image boots in ~47secs currently but kernel+uboot take about 20 secs alone... did you take a look at booloader/kernel? |
| 14:19.09 | Dave | Xora! |
| 14:19.36 | XorA | Kensan_: no, I looked only at userspace |
| 14:19.50 | sakkara | @android testers: booting borks qt fs on sdcard, but with fsck it can be fixed |
| 14:19.52 | Kensan_ | XorA: ok thanks. |
| 14:20.24 | [df] | adding a sim doesn't seem to have helped |
| 14:20.39 | XorA | Kensan_: the general opinion seemed to be stop booting the phone like a desktop |
| 14:20.41 | [df] | I have (or had?) debian installed on the sd, will that be affected? |
| 14:21.09 | gromez | i've updating u-boot and it still doesn't boot |
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| 14:22.13 | sakkara | [df]: maybe, try booting debian, if there is no problem it should be ok |
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| 14:22.49 | sakkara | i got kernel panic when booting qtex after android... |
| 14:22.57 | Kensan_ | XorA: ic. Do you happen to know what the OM people working on fastboot are currently looking at? If they are working on init I might move on and take a closer look at the kernel. |
| 14:23.33 | XorA | Kensan_: no, they are hidden inside .tw office |
| 14:23.36 | sakkara | i think android doesnt unmount sd on shutdown |
| 14:23.53 | Kensan_ | XorA: hehe ok. |
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| 14:25.32 | [df] | ah, debian's running a fsck during boot because it wasn't cleanly unmounted |
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| 14:27.01 | [df] | and is fine now |
| 14:27.05 | [df] | no luck with android though :( |
| 14:27.26 | [df] | does it have a serial console? |
| 14:30.05 | Fougner | how can I adjust the sound output to use usual headphones? =) |
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| 14:31.49 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 14:32.03 | SpeedEvil | Diddn't realise that WPA/WPA2 is looking weak. |
| 14:32.25 | cjb_ie | meh. WEP for the win, and put everything through an ssh tunnel |
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| 14:33.20 | SpeedEvil | Not through algorithmic weaknesses so much. |
| 14:33.40 | SpeedEvil | Just sheer brute force of modern graphics cards giving 100* boost over CPUs. |
| 14:33.57 | mwester | Interesting attack approach. |
| 14:34.09 | sakkara | yeah, but 100% boost is still very low for cracking wpa... |
| 14:34.13 | SpeedEvil | 100* |
| 14:34.37 | sakkara | hm, i heard of 100%-400% |
| 14:34.38 | mwester | Well, when you consider that a dictionary-based attack is quite adequate for the typcial home router... |
| 14:34.44 | Dave | :D |
| 14:34.55 | Dave | Mmm... dictionaries |
| 14:35.50 | mwester | I think someone did a study once on the number of PIN codes that are the last 4 digits of either phone number, street address, or social security number... it was frightening. |
| 14:36.06 | mwester | I suspect the WPA keys are no different, just longer. |
| 14:36.43 | Fougner | can someone recommend a simple working mediaplayer? :) |
| 14:36.47 | SpeedEvil | 'The 100-fold increase in speed is achieved with two GeForct GTX280s per workstation; for 599 you can build a network of 20 workstations dedicated to recovering your lost WPA keys. This means that a WPA or WPA2 key could be cracked in days or weeks instead of years.' |
| 14:36.58 | sakkara | yeah, but if i am on the street, and found a wpa network, i dont know the person... |
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| 14:37.14 | Dave | Virus. |
| 14:37.40 | SpeedEvil | Dynamic keys of course aren't directly vulnerable. |
| 14:37.40 | CVirus | Dave: |
| 14:37.40 | Dave | Mwester, so, how about that Android, huh? :p |
| 14:37.42 | SpeedEvil | But you can of course record. |
| 14:37.53 | toggles_w | Dave: ! |
| 14:38.16 | Dave | Toggles |
| 14:38.30 | toggles_w | enuff with the android! |
| 14:38.34 | sakkara | hm, i think there will be better algorithm to crack wpa in hours^^ |
| 14:39.02 | SpeedEvil | sakkara: The recent speedups have _not_ been due to algorithmic weaknesses. |
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| 14:39.16 | zogg_ | heya |
| 14:39.18 | SpeedEvil | sakkara: simply throwing 10000* the computer power at the problem. |
| 14:39.32 | Dave | heh, yeh |
| 14:39.44 | sakkara | SpeedEvil: yes, i know, but there will be better algorithm for using gpus |
| 14:39.47 | zogg_ | Where does qpe store sms and contacts? (2008.9) |
| 14:41.29 | TAsnn | same question like zogg_ just about shr ;] |
| 14:43.27 | Hire | shr doesnt't store contacts and sms for now |
| 14:44.40 | ernst | whats about ms4 ? |
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| 14:55.59 | zogg_ | theres no lsof either |
| 14:56.00 | zogg_ | :< |
| 14:56.21 | toggles_w | mwester: my android doesn't boot, what did i do wrong? |
| 14:56.27 | toggles_w | ducks |
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| 15:00.19 | balrog-k1n | your android has the head screwed the wrong way |
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| 15:05.53 | dolf1074 | toggles_w: have you a formatted sd in your freerunner? |
| 15:07.57 | toggles_w | dolf1074: i do, but ive tried with, withought sim and sd |
| 15:08.26 | dolf1074 | I have the same problem |
| 15:08.44 | dolf1074 | android doesn't want to start whatever i do |
| 15:08.46 | toggles_w | just a black screen? |
| 15:08.55 | dolf1074 | yes |
| 15:08.59 | KaZeR | i've just gave it a try here, and it works. i get a black screen for 1-2 min, then it starts |
| 15:09.09 | leinir | KaZeR: Which SD do you have in it? |
| 15:09.17 | toggles_w | i've left mine for 5 min easy |
| 15:09.21 | KaZeR | 4gb, with 2 partitions |
| 15:09.31 | leinir | Hmm... vfat or ext2/3? |
| 15:09.35 | KaZeR | one of each |
| 15:09.40 | leinir | first one? |
| 15:09.45 | KaZeR | (i have FDOM on the uSD) |
| 15:09.52 | KaZeR | vfat first, then ext3 |
| 15:09.59 | Daramarak | My pc cannot detect my FR (2008.9) as a bluetooth device, is this normal? |
| 15:10.09 | KaZeR | hang on, i'm changing my sim card, i'll also remove the usd |
| 15:10.12 | leinir | right... i'm pondering what happens with ext2/3 as first partition on the sd |
| 15:10.14 | balrog-k1n | i have just some USD |
| 15:10.37 | SpeedEvil | Daramarak: it's just a bluetooth device |
| 15:10.46 | balrog-k1n | how long does the android take to boot on the HTC phone? |
| 15:10.53 | SpeedEvil | Daramarak: it's exactly the same - logically - as a bluetooth USB device plugged into your desktop |
| 15:11.18 | Daramarak | SpeedEvil, no, I was unclear. It cannot find any device |
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| 15:11.44 | Daramarak | Even though I have turned bt ON on the settings in my FR |
| 15:12.05 | SpeedEvil | Daramarak: no - I mean - the bluetooth device is a generic device. It can do anything a bluetooth device plugged into your PC can. |
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| 15:12.24 | SpeedEvil | Daramarak: however, you have to configure it on the FR end. |
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| 15:12.53 | SpeedEvil | I don't think the default 'on' does that on any distribution. |
| 15:13.15 | Daramarak | SpeedEvil: Ill have to do some configurations first? |
| 15:13.57 | dolf1074 | I'm wondering what I do wrong. With/without sd. With/without sim. With/without charger. Nand/Nor boot. It wont work |
| 15:14.20 | SpeedEvil | Daramarak: what do you expect this bluetooth device to be? |
| 15:14.36 | SpeedEvil | Daramarak: a GPS, an audio device, a mouse? |
| 15:14.46 | SpeedEvil | Daramarak: it can in principle be any of these. |
| 15:14.55 | Daramarak | SpeedEvil, I was trying to connect to the FR, as a network device |
| 15:15.37 | SpeedEvil | search the wiki for bnep |
| 15:15.39 | jonkristian | Is the default device called Bluez ? |
| 15:15.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it'll be up-to-date |
| 15:15.56 | dolf1074 | toggles_w: is your u-boot updated to the lastest? |
| 15:16.09 | toggles_w | dolf1074: nope, you think it needs to be? |
| 15:16.15 | dolf1074 | the mine is |
| 15:16.15 | SpeedEvil | bluez is the software that handles the bluttooe |
| 15:16.21 | dolf1074 | but it doesn't work |
| 15:16.30 | toggles_w | hmm... |
| 15:17.00 | VDVsx | KaZeR, which u-boot do you have ? |
| 15:17.06 | jonkristian | yesh, ofcourse, I was reffering to the naming of the device itself. |
| 15:18.09 | Fougner | jonkristian, my hero! |
| 15:18.31 | Fougner | do you know how to change sound output to headphones? =D |
| 15:18.33 | KaZeR | VDVsx, good question :) |
| 15:18.44 | KaZeR | VDVsx, without usd card it doesn't boot |
| 15:19.11 | Fougner | Hold Aux and then press and hold powerbutton? =) |
| 15:19.15 | dolf1074 | KaZeR: can you tell us what partition you have on the usd card? |
| 15:19.15 | VDVsx | KaZeR, are you boting normally or from nand ? |
| 15:19.16 | FilipLinux4 | can anyone with a working android on FR do a 'mount' to see which partitions get mounted ? |
| 15:19.55 | KaZeR | uboot 1.3.2-moko12 may 9 2008 10:28:48 |
| 15:20.03 | jonkristian | Fougner: :D w000t |
| 15:20.07 | SpeedEvil | jonsmith1982: I'd answer that, but my OM is currently under teh floor, and I have to unscrew the floor to get at it. |
| 15:20.31 | jonkristian | Fougner: first, are you getting sound at all? second, if you are, just run alsamixer and change it. |
| 15:20.36 | KaZeR | /dev/sdb1 1 245 7832 b W95 FAT32 |
| 15:20.36 | KaZeR | /dev/sdb2 246 124880 3988320 83 Linux |
| 15:20.44 | Fougner | alsamixer in the terminal then? |
| 15:20.46 | VDVsx | KaZeR, humm, so the problem is related to the usd card :S |
| 15:20.56 | jonkristian | Fougner: yesh |
| 15:20.58 | sicu_ | SpeedEvil: you're actually using it as a brick then ? |
| 15:21.07 | KaZeR | VDVsx, booting normally, flashed as i did with other distros |
| 15:21.19 | Fougner | I've tried it this morning, but it sounds awful in that small speaker |
| 15:21.24 | SpeedEvil | sitwon: unfortunate accident where it slid down inside the wall. |
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| 15:21.46 | sicu_ | SpeedEvil: heh, unlucky ;p |
| 15:21.50 | Fougner | jonkristian, how can I change it in alsamixer? :S |
| 15:21.55 | jonkristian | Fougner: sound is awfull in the headset too, at least for me |
| 15:22.12 | jonkristian | Probably the worst sound I've heard in my entire lifetime |
| 15:22.26 | jonkristian | which is approx. 25 years |
| 15:22.50 | Fougner | oh.. you have outstanding memory then =) |
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| 15:23.57 | Fougner | but, alsamixer [-h] [-c <card: 0...7>] doesn't make any sense to me.. |
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| 15:24.37 | jonkristian | Fougner: just run alsamixer, not sure if it can be runned from the terminal on the phone though |
| 15:25.23 | jonkristian | after you've made adjustments, just run alsactl store to save them |
| 15:25.35 | Fougner | aaaaaaahaaaaa |
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| 15:27.34 | Daramarak | Fougner/jonkristian: After lowering the volume by 95% the sound of my FR was ok, my only problem was that I only had sound on one speaker. |
| 15:28.02 | KaZeR | VDVsx, i've noticed something else : with SD, new sim : didn't boot. then i plugged the usb cable, and it booted |
| 15:28.08 | jonkristian | Daramarak: on the headphones? |
| 15:28.13 | KaZeR | (it was plugged in my first attempt when it booted) |
| 15:28.34 | Fougner | Daramarak, what option do I have to change to get the headphone(s) working? =P |
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| 15:28.52 | Daramarak | I just plugged them in, and it worked |
| 15:29.27 | jonkristian | you might have to switch state file by hand, at least i had to, using 2008.9 |
| 15:29.32 | Daramarak | And it was the sound on the headphones I was talkning about that was ok. |
| 15:30.03 | Fougner | <Headphon> 95<>95 |
| 15:30.12 | Fougner | jonkristian, where ? =) |
| 15:30.14 | jonkristian | Daramarak: hm, strange |
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| 15:30.47 | Daramarak | I haven't had any problems with using the headphones for sound on 2007 or 2008 |
| 15:30.55 | jonkristian | hmx |
| 15:30.57 | jonkristian | hmz |
| 15:31.14 | Fougner | which medaplayer? =) |
| 15:31.16 | Fougner | media* |
| 15:31.26 | jonkristian | Daramarak: pcm then? |
| 15:31.29 | jonkristian | what level? |
| 15:31.36 | Daramarak | QTopia one, and while receiving calls |
| 15:33.07 | Fougner | ah.. qtopia.. |
| 15:33.10 | Fougner | xD |
| 15:33.20 | KaZeR | VDVsx, no usd, usb cable : black screen |
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| 15:33.56 | VDVsx | KaZeR, I got the same |
| 15:34.02 | Pietrao | hi guys! |
| 15:34.15 | VDVsx | KaZeR, but mine don't work with sd card also :( |
| 15:34.34 | beniwtv | VDVsx: Android? |
| 15:34.46 | Pietrao | someone know how to make android booting on flash? |
| 15:34.49 | mokolade | yeah! after 2 hours of trying Android booted on my FreeRunner :) |
| 15:35.02 | Pietrao | may it be a problem of uboot? |
| 15:35.09 | Hire | mokolade: how? |
| 15:35.10 | beniwtv | mokolade: What did you do? (please please please) :P |
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| 15:35.47 | mokolade | made an vfat and ext3 partition on my SD card, it did't work with ext2 |
| 15:36.06 | Hire | and without sd card you can boot? |
| 15:36.11 | mokolade | no |
| 15:36.20 | Hire | oh i see |
| 15:36.31 | Hire | thx, now I will try :) |
| 15:36.36 | jonkristian | paranoid android maybe? |
| 15:36.36 | jonkristian | :D |
| 15:36.59 | mokolade | mye mulig |
| 15:37.14 | beniwtv | mokolade: do you think the size matters? I use a 2GB card, and it doesn't seem to work (I'm going to check if it's not acccidentally ext3...) |
| 15:37.55 | mokolade | i used a 1GB card with a 8MB vfat partition and the rest for a ext3 partition |
| 15:37.55 | Pietrao | but are you trying to booy from sd or flash? |
| 15:38.04 | mokolade | from flash |
| 15:38.12 | Pietrao | mm |
| 15:38.15 | dolf1074 | and you didn't put anything on the partitions? |
| 15:38.45 | Pietrao | so i should have the sd on the freerunner to boot android form flash? |
| 15:38.47 | mokolade | got an Om2008.9 uImage on the vfat and nothing on the ext3 |
| 15:38.48 | johnsu01 | there's no virtual keyboard for android though, is there? |
| 15:38.53 | beniwtv | Pietrao: flash as well... |
| 15:39.00 | awwaiid | Greetings |
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| 15:39.34 | dolf1074 | johnsu01: no |
| 15:39.40 | awwaiid | I've been disatisfied with the audio output quality on the freerunner. Has anyone played with a USB soundcard or have a guess as to whether it would work? |
| 15:40.40 | mokolade | I see android makes some directorys and files on the ext3 partition |
| 15:40.54 | Pietrao | sorry but i haven't understood |
| 15:40.57 | mokolade | so maybe it just neds an ext3 partition to work on |
| 15:41.09 | VDVsx | beniwtv, yup |
| 15:41.31 | Pietrao | must i have the sd with an ext3 partition to bott android? |
| 15:41.41 | beniwtv | mokolade: It's ext2 what I have, going to try ext3 now... |
| 15:42.03 | mokolade | Pietrao.. it seems so |
| 15:42.10 | Pietrao | ok thanks |
| 15:44.41 | netx | ext3 on a microsd carD? |
| 15:45.35 | beniwtv | Everyone: Got the boot logo now! |
| 15:45.36 | beniwtv | :) |
| 15:45.41 | dolf1074 | me to |
| 15:45.45 | dolf1074 | :) |
| 15:45.45 | beniwtv | netx: yup |
| 15:45.46 | mokolade | ;) |
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| 15:45.53 | netx | isn't that a bad idea? |
| 15:46.14 | dolf1074 | So you need a sim, a sdcard (with fat32 and ext3 partition) and it will work |
| 15:46.20 | toggles_w | beniwtv: just one ext3 or do you have vfat too? |
| 15:46.26 | beniwtv | netx: It depends on how much Android uses the SD card... Let's see... |
| 15:46.49 | beniwtv | toggles_w: vfat of roughly 8MB as the first, then ext3 the rest |
| 15:47.01 | toggles_w | you think it needs vfat? |
| 15:47.07 | toggles_w | n |
| 15:47.08 | beniwtv | Takes a minute or so to show the logo, tough |
| 15:47.44 | toggles_w | i'm going to try without |
| 15:48.01 | mwester | Why vfat? SD cards do wear-levelling, so there's no reason not to use a proper filesystem on them. |
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| 15:51.44 | toggles_w | mwester: hands off my android or i'll tell dave! |
| 15:51.57 | beniwtv | dolf1074: success booting completely yet? :-/ |
| 15:52.03 | dolf1074 | yes |
| 15:52.30 | beniwtv | damn... it gets stuck on mine... How long did it take? |
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| 15:53.35 | dolf1074 | a minute or two |
| 15:53.42 | dolf1074 | do you have the 2 partitions? |
| 15:54.03 | sylar | hi, I booted successfully android but now It doesn't run anymore (I simply changed the partitions on my sd) |
| 15:54.07 | beniwtv | yes... I get the boot logo, then it just sits there.... |
| 15:54.18 | KaZeR | note : mine boots, but cuts after a few seconds : it seems that the battery level matters |
| 15:54.22 | leinir | sylar: Whatwere they before? |
| 15:54.32 | KaZeR | (cuts once in android for my last test) |
| 15:54.40 | toggles_w | sylar: ..and now |
| 15:54.45 | desowin_ | dolf1074: I just formatted both fat and ext3 partitions on my sd (2gb) and I have android boot logo now (before I had blank screen) |
| 15:55.01 | dolf1074 | and it doesn't go further? |
| 15:55.16 | dolf1074 | maybe try putting some kernel at the fat partition |
| 15:55.24 | sylar | before I had 2 partitions, one of 35 mega ca (fat32) and the other of 490 ca (ext3) and now one of 512 (fat32) |
| 15:55.32 | desowin_ | it booted :-) |
| 15:55.37 | toggles_w | sylar: it seems you need ext3 |
| 15:55.47 | Hire | i have do a far part big 50 mb |
| 15:55.52 | Hire | is it too tiny? |
| 15:55.57 | Hire | i don't have get a logo yet |
| 15:55.59 | toggles_w | 09:41 < Pietrao> must i have the sd with an ext3 partition to bott android? |
| 15:55.59 | toggles_w | 09:41 < beniwtv> mokolade: It's ext2 what I have, going to try ext3 now... |
| 15:55.59 | toggles_w | 09:42 < mokolade> Pietrao.. it seems so |
| 15:56.18 | beniwtv | har.... ok, red led flashing, kernel panic... |
| 15:56.24 | sylar | thanks.... |
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| 15:56.26 | beniwtv | :-/ |
| 15:56.34 | desowin_ | it mounts ext3, atleast I can see the size of ext3 partition in the available space on sd card |
| 15:56.41 | desowin_ | (empty partition here) |
| 15:57.03 | mokolade | my android ONLY works if there is one vfat partition and one ext3... |
| 15:57.13 | Hire | argh |
| 15:57.14 | sylar | but.... it isn't possible that!! because when it runs I used the first partition (fat32) and it runs well |
| 15:57.22 | Hire | it doesn't boot !!! |
| 15:57.27 | Hire | always black screen |
| 15:57.50 | FilipLinux4 | hire: only 1 partition on uSD ? or both fat & ext3 ? |
| 15:57.52 | beniwtv | anoyone other than me got a kernel panic? |
| 15:58.30 | Hire | both partition |
| 15:58.36 | Hire | fat32 and ext3 |
| 15:58.43 | mokolade | i have 1. partition with 8MB vfat and 2. partition with ext3, all EMPTY to start with |
| 15:58.55 | Hire | 8 mb? |
| 15:59.08 | Hire | i have a 50 mb fat32 |
| 15:59.15 | Hire | and 3g+ ext3 |
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| 15:59.30 | Hire | ALL empty |
| 16:00.09 | FilipLinux4 | hire: SDHC 4GB uSD... haven't got a smaller one around ? |
| 16:00.16 | mokolade | hmm |
| 16:00.36 | toggles_w | it does not appear to boot with just an ext3 partition |
| 16:01.03 | Pietrao | how much should the vfat partition big? |
| 16:01.05 | mokolade | no, it seems it needs a fat partition too |
| 16:01.12 | Hire | a much smaller? |
| 16:01.12 | mokolade | mine is 8GB |
| 16:01.14 | Hire | mmm... yes |
| 16:01.16 | mokolade | MB |
| 16:01.17 | mokolade | ! |
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| 16:01.31 | toggles_w | must reload fdom and reformat... |
| 16:01.32 | desowin_ | 8MB here |
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| 16:02.05 | Pietrao | ok, so i make: partition 1 vfat 8Mb, partition 2 ext3. |
| 16:02.18 | mokolade | yes |
| 16:02.26 | Pietrao | ok |
| 16:02.36 | beniwtv | Pietrao: yeah, it seems it looks for the second partition... |
| 16:02.49 | mokolade | true |
| 16:03.10 | mokolade | and it makes a lot of files and directorys on the second ext3 partition |
| 16:03.17 | Pietrao | i've just made the first partition fat32 30 Mb and didn't boot |
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| 16:07.26 | sylar | for me it runs with a 512 sd card with the first fat32 partition of half sd and the sencond ext3 of the other halt |
| 16:07.29 | sylar | *half |
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| 16:07.48 | mokolade | I set the first partition to type 6 (FAT16) 8MB, and do a mkfs.vfat on it |
| 16:07.59 | beniwtv | sylar: Did you get a kernel panic otherwise? |
| 16:08.09 | mokolade | an the second partition to type 83 and mkfs.ext3 on it |
| 16:08.13 | beniwtv | trying on a 512 MB card as well without success yet.... |
| 16:08.45 | sylar | no, no kernel panic |
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| 16:09.44 | leinir | yet another boot. The included 512 meg card, 1st partition is sector 1-245 type b vfat, 2nd partition is 246- type 83 ext3 |
| 16:09.49 | leinir | And i'm getting a boot logo :) |
| 16:09.56 | mokolade | yiihaaa :) |
| 16:10.02 | Jeti | I'm |
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| 16:10.22 | beniwtv | hmm... I'm always the one with no success :P |
| 16:10.35 | mokolade | strange, usually I am :p |
| 16:10.42 | Jeti | I'm now getting sim-card locked. Press menu for getting the main menu. How can I press that? |
| 16:11.02 | mokolade | i have my sim unlocked |
| 16:11.11 | Hire | beniwtv: you are not alone |
| 16:11.41 | mokolade | seems the power button is "menu button" |
| 16:12.19 | mokolade | you have to bee active on the touchscreen because it goes fast in to suspend, and there it hangs |
| 16:12.35 | mokolade | have to take the battery out and start |
| 16:12.55 | Jeti | I only get that I have to type in my sim code |
| 16:13.13 | Jeti | and if I type that in, it says that it's wrong :( |
| 16:13.28 | mokolade | put you sim in another phone and deactivate pin code |
| 16:13.46 | Jeti | mokolade: that might be handy :) |
| 16:13.53 | cjb_ie | assuming you haven't got it wrong three times, in which case you'll need the PUK code |
| 16:14.13 | TAsnn | hey, for some reason enlightenment does not find the icons when the /usr/share/applications/launcher writes just the name, i.e, enlightenment does not know where the pixmap dir is, where can i change that? |
| 16:14.21 | Jeti | does calling already work on the android? |
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| 16:14.41 | mokolade | hmmm, lets see.. |
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| 16:16.01 | mokolade | mine is currently not registered with the gsm network :( |
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| 16:16.40 | kd8ikt | love it, my slightly tweaked gsmhandset.state... the other party cant tell i'm on my moko |
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| 16:17.09 | leinir | Hmm... It looks quite swish, but it insists that there are no contacts on my sim |
| 16:17.23 | johnsu01 | kd8ikt: care to share? :) |
| 16:17.35 | kd8ikt | wonder if its still on pastebin |
| 16:18.01 | beniwtv | bbl |
| 16:18.05 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/f2f0810f |
| 16:18.18 | kd8ikt | it was the smallest tweak ever |
| 16:18.45 | Fougner | kd8ikt, what do you use, distro, setup and so on.. ? =) |
| 16:18.49 | kd8ikt | like i called myself while ssh'd in and modified alsamixer then stored the current state before it changed |
| 16:18.56 | kd8ikt | (debian) |
| 16:19.19 | kd8ikt | then replaced my gsmhandset state with my saved one |
| 16:19.45 | kd8ikt | so i figure instead of using mine you tweak your own |
| 16:20.02 | Fougner | kd8ikt, debian, is it stable? |
| 16:20.04 | chi | anyone want to buy a neo? |
| 16:20.05 | johnsu01 | kd8ikt: thanks, I've done a lot of tweaking myself and haven't been happy yet |
| 16:20.27 | kd8ikt | i like debian cause its just zhone running |
| 16:20.48 | Fougner | zhone? |
| 16:20.48 | kd8ikt | been pretty stable for me lately |
| 16:20.56 | Fougner | yah, debian is niiiiice |
| 16:21.05 | Fougner | but I mean, all hardware and stuff, works? |
| 16:21.20 | kd8ikt | when i get it to suspend too it wakes up fine, no WSOD |
| 16:21.24 | Fougner | you've tried 2008.9 and FDOM ? |
| 16:21.39 | kd8ikt | FDOM is on my internal flash |
| 16:21.46 | Fougner | what about it? |
| 16:21.49 | Fougner | nice? =P |
| 16:21.56 | kd8ikt | its fun |
| 16:21.57 | Fougner | I'm flashing it now |
| 16:21.59 | Fougner | okay, good |
| 16:22.03 | kd8ikt | i like remoko |
| 16:22.08 | Fougner | aha |
| 16:22.18 | kd8ikt | think you need to install one extra thing for remoko to work i cant remember |
| 16:22.39 | kd8ikt | but it pretty much runs out of the box |
| 16:22.56 | kd8ikt | and its fun to show my friends duke nukem 3d |
| 16:22.58 | Fougner | gah, the FDOM takes a while to flash xD |
| 16:23.04 | Fougner | lol |
| 16:23.05 | kd8ikt | i know its fricken huge |
| 16:23.15 | Fougner | Zzzzz... |
| 16:23.28 | kd8ikt | someone needs to start making jffs images of debian |
| 16:23.39 | kd8ikt | cause i'd rather have that on my internal flash |
| 16:23.44 | Fougner | how do you install it ? |
| 16:23.53 | Fougner | it's in tar.gz now ? |
| 16:23.55 | leinir | Hmm... apart from that weirdness with it not letting me see my SIM contacts, it seems to be doing pretty well :) |
| 16:23.58 | kd8ikt | i used the installer http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 16:24.10 | kd8ikt | but watchout i think the uboot modify doesnt work |
| 16:24.27 | johnsu01 | is fixing the problems caused by the uboot modify as we speak :) |
| 16:24.47 | kd8ikt | it sorta bricked mine so backup your uboot env (df-util -a u-boot_env -R -U? backup name |
| 16:24.49 | Fougner | "You can then use almost all of the packages available for Debian, with just one call to apt-get install. Its still the same full featured Distribution that you know from your desktop or server." |
| 16:25.09 | Fougner | AAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! |
| 16:25.11 | Fougner | Wonderful |
| 16:25.14 | kd8ikt | oh hey johnsu01 i have a backup of my uboot if you wants it |
| 16:25.18 | kd8ikt | uboot-env |
| 16:25.23 | Fougner | LAMPP-server on my cellphone xD |
| 16:25.37 | johnsu01 | kd8ikt: hm thanks, I might in a minute, but I'm already through most of the steps to build a new one so let's see if that works first |
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| 16:26.39 | Fougner | kd8ikt, so everything, gsm, sms, headphones and so on works out of the box? |
| 16:26.42 | Fougner | in Debian, that is.. |
| 16:26.50 | johnsu01 | heh, no :) |
| 16:26.53 | kd8ikt | for debian? yea |
| 16:26.59 | kd8ikt | works for me |
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| 16:27.04 | johnsu01 | headphones do not work for me |
| 16:27.10 | kd8ikt | i just installed it 2 days ago |
| 16:27.24 | kd8ikt | might be a glitch with the alsa state |
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| 16:27.43 | kd8ikt | like a new alsa state isnt being loaded when the headphones are connected |
| 16:27.50 | johnsu01 | yes I think that's what's happening |
| 16:27.54 | kd8ikt | i lost my headphones long ago |
| 16:28.07 | kd8ikt | probably blew them too |
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| 16:28.21 | kd8ikt | like i heard you shouldnt turn on the phone with em plugged in |
| 16:28.37 | Fougner | ehehe |
| 16:28.47 | Fougner | what is zhone then? |
| 16:29.02 | toggles_w | the zen phone |
| 16:30.04 | Fougner | what is that=P |
| 16:30.24 | kd8ikt | uses the FSO phone stack |
| 16:30.26 | kd8ikt | dbus |
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| 16:30.29 | toggles_w | python phone script, demo app for http://freesmartphone.org |
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| 16:30.36 | kd8ikt | so if you played with FSO then you've used zhone |
| 16:31.07 | kd8ikt | i love its simplicity |
| 16:33.52 | Fougner | All I've tried is official 200*.* and soon FDOm |
| 16:34.08 | kd8ikt | is http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/ that link working? |
| 16:34.13 | kd8ikt | cause its not for me |
| 16:34.32 | kd8ikt | think something is broken |
| 16:34.37 | gromez | yes it works |
| 16:34.41 | johnsu01 | kd8ikt: I think my repaired u-boot is working now.. |
| 16:34.46 | SpeedEvil | usb love |
| 16:34.47 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 16:34.50 | kd8ikt | but that is where my uboot backup is if you want it |
| 16:35.40 | kd8ikt | it takes the uboot env back to default |
| 16:36.51 | kd8ikt | alright i'm going out to vote etc bbl |
| 16:37.07 | cjb_ie | vote early, vote often |
| 16:37.07 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 16:37.28 | kd8ikt | the world hates america last i checked |
| 16:37.29 | johnsu01 | kd8ikt: cool, thanks |
| 16:38.03 | kd8ikt | something about bush and the saudi's in bed selling expensive oil to the rest of the world |
| 16:38.15 | kd8ikt | atleast thats how i see it |
| 16:38.19 | cjb_ie | kd8ikt: we might hate it less if you vote wisely ;) |
| 16:38.37 | kd8ikt | ralph nader? |
| 16:38.42 | Fougner | kd8ikt, god bless America... you've got Jackass, Bill Ga(y)tes, and Billy Joel =D |
| 16:38.59 | kd8ikt | i wouldnt say godbless |
| 16:39.11 | kd8ikt | more like god damned |
| 16:39.20 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 16:39.23 | mwester | At least that's what certain of the candidates want. |
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| 16:39.47 | kd8ikt | who would you vote for? |
| 16:39.55 | mwester | me |
| 16:39.55 | Fougner | The only bad thing there, is Bill Gates :D |
| 16:39.59 | Fougner | brb, food |
| 16:40.01 | kd8ikt | i think i might go green party all the way |
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| 16:40.22 | kd8ikt | vote of confidence |
| 16:40.30 | cjb_ie | kd8ikt: sounds like a wasted vote though |
| 16:40.41 | kd8ikt | not to me |
| 16:41.02 | kd8ikt | its like the silent majority that gets to speak up when at the ballot machine |
| 16:41.03 | mwester | libertarian, I expect. We desparately need a third party, so no independent votes can be considered "wasted" |
| 16:41.13 | cjb_ie | but i forget you're not just voting for a president |
| 16:41.15 | kd8ikt | pirate party ;) |
| 16:41.29 | kd8ikt | oh yeah represenatives etc |
| 16:41.36 | mwester | Anything is better than the two idjuts we have now. |
| 16:41.40 | kd8ikt | GREEN GREEN |
| 16:41.43 | mwester | :) |
| 16:42.02 | kd8ikt | i want to see/hear about sarah palin the next 4 yrs |
| 16:42.11 | kd8ikt | lol ;) |
| 16:42.18 | kd8ikt | xoxoxox sarah palin |
| 16:42.19 | cjb_ie | ireland's a sad case. i'd vote green, but the green party is so full of corruption here that i'm not sure it'd do any good |
| 16:42.24 | cjb_ie | nailin' palin? |
| 16:42.33 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 16:42.35 | cjb_ie | http://www.michaelpalinforpresident.com/ |
| 16:42.44 | kd8ikt | VPILF.com |
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| 16:42.55 | mwester | I'd vote for a Monty Python government. |
| 16:43.05 | mwester | They can't do any worse, and I suspect lots better. |
| 16:43.14 | SpeedEvil | Pre-emptive nuclear strikes against spain. |
| 16:43.14 | cjb_ie | mwester: exactly what i was going to say |
| 16:43.32 | cjb_ie | NOBODY EXPECTS THE PRE-EMPTIVE NUKES! |
| 16:43.36 | kd8ikt | http://vpilf.net/wp-content/themes/ubminim/images/header.jpg |
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| 16:43.45 | mwester | Anyway, back to work for me... |
| 16:43.48 | cjb_ie | *ahem* :) |
| 16:44.01 | kd8ikt | a pre-preemptive strike |
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| 16:48.18 | kd8ikt | bombs* |
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| 16:54.14 | Fougner | hmm |
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| 17:06.20 | Fougner | when I start my FR the normal way, "openmoko" appears.. but it seems to be locked.. is this a problem with the usplash, or how can I solve it? |
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| 17:14.48 | laen | Fougner: flash the splash again, or the u-boot i guess? |
| 17:15.28 | Fougner | the uboot? |
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| 17:15.50 | Fougner | I can press and hold the Aux + powerbutton to get the menu, and then boot |
| 17:16.43 | Fougner | but when only holding thw power, "openmoko" appears, then... it's frozen |
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| 17:17.24 | sylar | hire: you said in the ml some minutes ago that we'll have a news stable release soon: are you sure? |
| 17:18.55 | laen | Fougner: try to flash the splash (http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/Om2008.9.splash.gz) with: dfu-util -a splash -D Om2008.9.splash.gz |
| 17:20.23 | laen | Fougner: and u-boot (http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin if you have a freerunner) with: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin |
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| 17:34.19 | Fougner | laen, Wohooo! |
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| 17:37.31 | chi | does the hardware on the neo support 3g? |
| 17:37.33 | johnsu01 | so, with opkg upgrade I'm seeing a bunch of errors related to libglib-2.0-0 |
| 17:37.35 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 17:37.40 | johnsu01 | such as |
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| 17:37.42 | johnsu01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.47 | chi | or is it just a software limitation? |
| 17:37.51 | SpeedEvil | chi: other than the silly option of plugging a 3G USB dongle in. (which you can do) |
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| 17:38.11 | chi | hrm |
| 17:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Or bluetooth connection to a 3G phone, which you can also do. |
| 17:39.16 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: why is that silly? ;) |
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| 17:39.31 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: because it's not sensible to use it as a phone |
| 17:39.40 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: as the USB lead sticks way out and will break off. |
| 17:39.50 | lindi- | http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/3gnettitikku1.jpg |
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| 17:53.48 | Fougner | hahaha |
| 17:53.51 | Fougner | pingus!!!!!! |
| 17:54.44 | Wonka | d2x on FR would be cool |
| 17:55.16 | toggles_w | hmm, android runs, apparently you don't need to format the first partition either |
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| 17:55.41 | Wonka | toggles_w: does it have a keyboard yet? |
| 17:56.02 | toggles_w | nope |
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| 18:01.02 | Pyrasi | sooo....does android just sit there on a black screen for anyone else? |
| 18:01.14 | toggles_w | Pyrasi: on boot? |
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| 18:01.57 | Pyrasi | yea |
| 18:02.19 | toggles_w | Pyrasi: you must have an sd card with 2 partitions, the second must be formatted etx3 |
| 18:02.33 | toggles_w | without that it just sits there |
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| 18:03.07 | Pyrasi | huh...well i have debian installed on the sd card....doesnt that have 2 partitions in ext3? |
| 18:04.16 | toggles_w | from what i read debian is ext2 |
| 18:04.29 | toggles_w | Debian boots by default, from the MicroSD card, with an ext2 boot partition. |
| 18:04.35 | toggles_w | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 18:04.40 | Pyrasi | awww...i guess that would make sense....ext2 is the non journaling isnt it |
| 18:04.43 | Pyrasi | that would make sense |
| 18:04.46 | toggles_w | yep |
| 18:05.11 | toggles_w | i was just looking into putting debian on my sd but figured it woudlnt work |
| 18:07.01 | Fougner | god.. |
| 18:07.01 | Wonka | my debian on my 8GB microSDHC works just fine |
| 18:07.01 | bumbl | toggles_w: and how is life on the other side of earth? |
| 18:07.01 | Wonka | if freshly booted at least - seems to hang after some hours of non-usage |
| 18:07.01 | Fougner | Wonka, does stereo headphones work out of the box? :D |
| 18:07.08 | toggles_w | Wonka: with android? seems to me android requires ext3 and deb is ext2? |
| 18:07.20 | Wonka | Fougner: never tried |
| 18:07.31 | toggles_w | bumbl: lol, i don't know, i'm currently residing in the land of elections |
| 18:07.32 | Pyrasi | you could probably put debian on ext3....but it would be alot slower |
| 18:07.34 | Wonka | toggles_w: i got an ext2 /boot and rest ext3, iirc |
| 18:07.42 | Fougner | ok |
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| 18:08.07 | bumbl | toggles_w: it's the other side of earth anyway |
| 18:08.29 | toggles_w | Wonka: maybe i'll try, gotta flash back to 2008.9 |
| 18:08.34 | toggles_w | bumbl: ;-) |
| 18:09.57 | bumbl | I had debian on an ext2 boot and ext3 root partition and it worked fine |
| 18:10.29 | sakkara | toggles_w: android doesn't requires ext3, it boots nice from nand with ext2 sd |
| 18:10.53 | sakkara | but it doesnt unmount sd when shutting down =( |
| 18:11.02 | Fougner | bleh! |
| 18:11.07 | Wonka | FAIL |
| 18:11.12 | toggles_w | sakkara: thanks |
| 18:12.02 | bumbl | at the moment |
| 18:12.07 | bumbl | android == fail |
| 18:12.50 | sakkara | its not usable, but it boots ;D |
| 18:12.55 | bumbl | too much work which has yet to be done |
| 18:12.56 | leinir | i had to create a pretty special setup for my SD to get android to boot... |
| 18:13.09 | leinir | The included 512 meg card, 1st partition is sector 1-245 type b vfat, 2nd partition is 246- type 83 ext3 |
| 18:14.01 | sakkara | hm, i have qtex on sd 1st partition vfat, 2nd ext2 and it boots... |
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| 18:24.33 | toggles_w | it's very pretty and useable |
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| 18:24.44 | toggles_w | i guess java is faster than python ;-) |
| 18:27.15 | ronny | yeah |
| 18:27.37 | ronny | its pretty easy to be fast if there are massive limits to how you can express yourself |
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| 18:28.12 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 18:29.22 | Dave | So, how about that android... ~_~ |
| 18:29.27 | Dave | toggles_rofl |
| 18:29.39 | toggles_w | slaps dave |
| 18:29.41 | toggles_w | quiet you |
| 18:29.44 | Dave | NEVER |
| 18:29.51 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 18:30.11 | toggles_w | like i said, its pretty and the most finger friendly of eveything ive tried |
| 18:30.21 | toggles_w | as long as you can overlook the crash and no keybaord ;-) |
| 18:30.40 | toggles_w | but i think it will be a good alternative system |
| 18:30.41 | FilipLinux4BE | and no way to enter a pin for the sim |
| 18:30.57 | nyu | finger friendly... is that the way it responds when you give it the finger? |
| 18:31.05 | FilipLinux4BE | especially if the local providers enforce the use of a pin :-( |
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| 18:33.49 | toggles_w | nyu: lol |
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| 18:35.48 | lindi- | i just need debian and stable dialer program, no fancy ui needed :) |
| 18:36.47 | lloyd_fedora_ | does the android image work ?? |
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| 18:38.41 | toggles_w | lloyd_fedora_: it boots but they still have a way to go |
| 18:39.06 | lloyd_fedora_ | toggles_w: the android image i downloaded does not boot .. i just get a blank screen |
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| 18:40.41 | Dave | lloyd_fedora, as is the case with many so far :) |
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| 18:41.22 | toggles_w | mwester: can you help lloyd_fedora_ ? |
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| 18:41.51 | toggles_w | lloyd_fedora_: you must have 2 partitions the second one must be ext2/3 and it should boot |
| 18:42.08 | toggles_w | on your sd card... exact details are still being sorted out |
| 18:43.24 | lloyd_fedora_ | toggles_w: i flashed it to the phone .. will try it on the sd card |
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| 18:43.35 | Kensan | anybody got some experience in dissasembling the FR to attach a debugboard? |
| 18:44.36 | toggles_w | lloyd_fedora_: no, you need to partition your sd card to have the two partitions |
| 18:44.50 | toggles_w | then reboot |
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| 18:45.54 | lloyd_fedora_ | toggles_w: k .. thanks |
| 18:46.20 | toggles_w | lloyd_fedora_: format the second ext3/2 |
| 18:46.29 | Dave | Mwester, your doggy is silly. |
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| 18:52.17 | Kensan | mwester: ping |
| 18:52.33 | opentrinity | hi, i have a problem...after suspend ring doesn't work....mplayer works (only from consolle) |
| 18:52.45 | opentrinity | anyone could help me? |
| 18:53.32 | Dave | Kensan: ding |
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| 18:54.03 | Kensan | Dave: do you have experience with FR & debugboard? |
| 18:54.14 | Kensan | I am trying not to brick/destroy my FR |
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| 18:55.08 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r319 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (Makefile TODO elementary/elementary.pyx tests/test01.py): Added smart callback handling |
| 18:55.48 | Dave | Kensan, then what are you doing with it? |
| 18:56.02 | Kensan | Dave: trying to connect the debugboard to the fr |
| 18:56.03 | Hire | Kensan: why not? it is fun to destroy something :) |
| 18:56.06 | Dave | Also, I don't see how you could brick it, if you have the debug board. |
| 18:56.17 | Dave | Hire, that's my job! |
| 18:56.23 | Kensan | Dave: physically damage the phone. This is open hearth surgery! |
| 18:56.23 | Dave | destroys Hire |
| 18:56.29 | Dave | Kensan - hah! |
| 18:56.33 | Dave | Hardly :) |
| 18:56.38 | Dave | you're not cutting anything :) |
| 18:56.48 | laen | Pull! |
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| 18:56.57 | Kensan | you don't know my clumsy fingers... |
| 18:57.02 | Kensan | I am a software guy |
| 18:57.04 | Dave | oh :\ |
| 18:57.27 | Dave | Remind me never to let you operate on me, in the event of an accident! :D |
| 18:57.50 | Kensan | I am no surgeon either |
| 18:57.54 | laen | Soft fingers i guess? |
| 18:57.59 | Dave | stick to the software :P |
| 18:58.02 | Dave | laen :P |
| 18:58.21 | Kensan | well I just want serial-console for kernel output |
| 18:58.22 | laen | Soft fingers for softwear. Logical, heh :) |
| 18:58.25 | Dave | yep |
| 18:58.28 | Hire | reborns and slaps with rage Dave |
| 18:58.50 | Dave | Man, Hire, your English will never cease to amuse me. |
| 18:58.54 | laen | slaps Hire with a Dave |
| 18:59.00 | Dave | Not to mention, of course, humiliate yourself. |
| 18:59.07 | Kensan | frantically pings mwester |
| 18:59.08 | Dave | laen - YES! |
| 18:59.11 | laen | =D |
| 18:59.13 | toggles_w | lol |
| 18:59.24 | Dave | ooooooooooh, kensan's gonna tell on you :P |
| 18:59.25 | Hire | hates Dave |
| 18:59.36 | Kensan | kids please, daddy's operating. |
| 18:59.37 | Dave | Yes... let the hate flow THROUGH you... |
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| 18:59.50 | laen | Shhh, Kensan needs some silence :) |
| 19:00.02 | Dave | not too much though |
| 19:00.06 | Dave | or he might drop a cable |
| 19:00.08 | Hire | feels the hate increase into himself |
| 19:00.09 | Kensan | I should have just waited until somebody else fixes the kernel stuff *sigh* |
| 19:00.19 | laen | Kensan: you mean.. in 2 years :O |
| 19:00.23 | Dave | hah, but of course, you want to be on the front lines :) |
| 19:00.26 | Dave | laen - huhu |
| 19:00.39 | Kensan | Thou shalt experimenteth |
| 19:00.47 | Kensan | or something along those lines |
| 19:00.49 | Dave | just not with meth |
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| 19:01.48 | Kensan | well at least I can clean the display now... |
| 19:02.11 | laen | How, what rootfs did you use? :P |
| 19:02.50 | Kensan | the one which says "I am mwester and I endorse this rootfs" |
| 19:03.02 | laen | I was just kidding. |
| 19:03.18 | Kensan | me too, as always |
| 19:03.36 | laen | I'm out of tabacco. |
| 19:03.49 | Kensan | I am out of patience |
| 19:04.04 | nyu | "I bless your computer my child" |
| 19:04.16 | Kensan | I should have ordered a backup freerunner with the debugboard... |
| 19:04.40 | laen | Kensan: well you knew you were going to buy a phone that wouldn't work, right? |
| 19:04.53 | Kensan | yeah but when I bought it it was not my fault... |
| 19:05.03 | Dave | haha |
| 19:05.05 | Dave | regrets? |
| 19:05.09 | laen | What was not your fault? |
| 19:05.36 | Kensan | Dave: yeah, because of this whole openmoko bonanza I've met you |
| 19:05.38 | toggles_w | i made him do it |
| 19:05.40 | Kensan | *harrharr* |
| 19:06.13 | Kensan | laen: when I bought it it was not my fault, that it didn't work. If I destroy it while trying to attach the debugboard it is my fault. |
| 19:11.35 | Kensan | but seriously, nobody in here used a debugboard? |
| 19:15.10 | sicu | Kensan: what's the issue? |
| 19:15.18 | sicu | and no ... havn't used one yet |
| 19:16.46 | sicu | luckily havn't had the need |
| 19:17.06 | sicu | you trying to unbrick it? or messing with qi? |
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| 19:18.16 | slaxxin | kensan u havr multiple mokos?' |
| 19:18.25 | slaxxin | like dave? |
| 19:19.06 | sicu | Dave has an army |
| 19:19.25 | slaxxin | dave did u r&R your FRIED circuit? |
| 19:20.02 | slaxxin | DangerDave |
| 19:20.25 | slaxxin | proly has a stainlessSteel table |
| 19:21.21 | Kensan | slaxxin: I have a FR and a Neo1973 |
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| 19:21.37 | Kensan | and a debugboard which I don't know how to connect properly |
| 19:22.08 | sicu | Kensan: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3 |
| 19:22.16 | Kensan | sicu: yeah, I know |
| 19:22.27 | sicu | not clear enough there then? :/ |
| 19:23.41 | slaxxin | if u look around there is a picture of the connector on the wiki in the hardware part |
| 19:24.29 | Kensan | slaxxin: there's even pictures on how to connect the debugboard but my cable wont fit properly into the FR |
| 19:24.45 | slaxxin | no way |
| 19:25.35 | sicu | a few shots of tequila and a pair of pliers will work wonders |
| 19:25.44 | slaxxin | maybe flipping it over is it |
| 19:25.49 | uluatu | is there anybody here facing the problem of the black screen running android on freerunner? |
| 19:25.56 | slaxxin | no |
| 19:26.54 | toggles_w | slaxxin: stay out of android questions, thats mwesters territory |
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| 19:27.32 | uluatu | ok running now |
| 19:27.34 | uluatu | thanks |
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| 19:30.34 | beniwtv | hi all |
| 19:30.55 | beniwtv | beniwtv vs. android - round 2 starts now :P |
| 19:31.49 | sicu | K.O. |
| 19:32.15 | toggles_w | dammit.. i forgot the keys |
| 19:32.24 | uluatu | beniwtv: start it |
| 19:32.41 | beniwtv | sicu: Pretty much... The first round didn't go that well... kernel panic (just got the boot logo) |
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| 19:34.16 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 19:34.29 | toggles_w | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1018213&cid=25629797 - haha! |
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| 19:39.02 | mwester | Dave: Yes, the doggie is really quite pathetic. But if you close your eyes, and let your sense of smell take control, you can discover the hidden "wolf-ness" ;) |
| 19:39.11 | mwester | Kensan: is the patient terminal? |
| 19:39.58 | ernst | can i use android image if i un use the sd card ? |
| 19:40.36 | Kensan | mwester: what's the propper startup sequence for debugboard v3 and freerunner? |
| 19:40.46 | jonkristian | ernst: afaik, android doesn't work with sd just yet. |
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| 19:41.50 | Kensan | mwester: I am not getting any output on the serial console |
| 19:42.23 | mwester | Kensan: Not sure what exactly you mean, but there is some "feedback" that happens -- I have success by connecting the debugboard to the host first -- that may trigger the FR to boot, which is ok. Then you need to figure out which of the USB serial ports is the debug board and I found "cu" works best for the console. |
| 19:42.48 | mwester | It is also possible that your default boot arguments are directing the kernel to ignore the serial console. |
| 19:42.50 | ernst | jonkristian and without ? does it work ? |
| 19:43.09 | mwester | You need to have console set to ttySAC2 IIRC |
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| 19:43.53 | jonkristian | ernst: afaik, you must flash |
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| 19:44.02 | ccfly | hello folks :) |
| 19:44.11 | toggles_w | mcfly! |
| 19:44.13 | mwester | But first, is the debug board connected properly to the FR? The flat cable is a pain to get to fit, but it will insert all the way if yoiu try hard enough. Push the reset button on the debug board and see if the FR responds... |
| 19:44.44 | laen | Okay, totally unrelated to the Openmoko. Is it possible to see all variables set in a shell? |
| 19:44.50 | mwester | env |
| 19:44.52 | ccfly | env ? |
| 19:45.07 | Kensan | mwester: ok |
| 19:45.08 | laen | Sexy, i should have known that. |
| 19:45.18 | Kensan | mwester: what should happen if I press the reset button? |
| 19:45.25 | mwester | FR should reboot. |
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| 19:46.09 | mwester | That's actually the only way to assert a hardware reset on the FR (without pulling the battery and unplugging everything). |
| 19:46.12 | Kensan | mwester: ok it does |
| 19:46.27 | mwester | Ok, good -- then you should have the cable making contact. |
| 19:47.09 | Kensan | to connect to console from host: "cu /dev/ttyUSB1" |
| 19:47.10 | mwester | Check the u-boot environment to make sure that the boot args set the console to ttySAC2 |
| 19:47.12 | Kensan | right? |
| 19:47.20 | mwester | Only if it's tty USB1 |
| 19:47.23 | mwester | on mine it's not. |
| 19:47.26 | Kensan | mwester: yeah it is |
| 19:47.34 | Kensan | usb0 is openocd |
| 19:47.44 | mwester | Do you have ttyACM0 |
| 19:47.58 | Kensan | mwester: no |
| 19:48.06 | mwester | if you have the FR connected to the host via USB, then it too will appear as a USB tty. |
| 19:48.10 | mwester | SO then you'll have three. |
| 19:48.15 | mwester | VERY confusing. |
| 19:48.18 | Kensan | hm yeah |
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| 19:48.38 | mwester | I plug things in in a specific order to un-confuse me. |
| 19:48.55 | mwester | The FR doesn't get plugged in at all until after it's booted and I have a console. |
| 19:49.43 | mwester | That way I know I have the correct TTY, because the u-boot usb tty is gone, replaced bythe kernel network driver over USB |
| 19:50.49 | mwester | Also, you may not have a getty running on the port once it boots, so there's no guarantee that you'll be able to log in. |
| 19:51.09 | mwester | I have to do something to trigger a kernel message to see if it's working or not, sometimes. |
| 19:51.15 | Kensan | mwester: console was not set properly in uboot-env need to reflash... |
| 19:51.53 | mwester | I just set up a different boot menu option in u-boot to boot with the console set. |
| 19:52.22 | Kensan | oh, now its booting without battery |
| 19:52.24 | Kensan | funny |
| 19:52.26 | ernst | i flasht now with android image an i habe a black screen but i have remove the micro sd card |
| 19:52.31 | beniwtv | Speaking about debug, is is possible to have the kernel serial console over the normal usb cable? |
| 19:52.49 | ernst | does anyone have it too ? |
| 19:53.14 | mwester | beniwtv: no |
| 19:53.29 | beniwtv | ernst: You need two empty partitions on the SD card, the first vfat and the second ext3 (not ext2), otherwise there is the B(black)SOD |
| 19:53.39 | beniwtv | mwester: thanks, was just wondering... |
| 19:54.18 | ernst | beniwtv thanks i test it |
| 19:54.37 | uluatu | ernst: put the uSD, android require that with at least an empty ext3 partition |
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| 19:55.06 | mwester | There has been talk of putting a serial to USB chip on the PCB with a micro connector hidden, so that you would not need a debug board to see the console, but that has not been implemented. |
| 19:55.17 | beniwtv | ernst: that being said, I just get as far as the boot logo, I get a kernel panic afterwards... But it may work for you... |
| 19:55.49 | beniwtv | Others got it working at least :P |
| 19:55.51 | zogg_ | Anybody experienced problems with messages spanning through 2 sms' on 2008.9? |
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| 19:58.16 | beniwtv | zogg_: How many characters has this SMS? |
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| 20:00.29 | zogg_ | Cant really say, 1st part of it got truncated and merged with other sms of the same sender. |
| 20:00.49 | Daramarak | Anyone got any idea why my FR wifi connection has 81% packet loss and 100-800ms ping time. I am aprox 6 meters away from the AP |
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| 20:01.10 | mwester | Daramarak: no. but this is common. |
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| 20:01.34 | mwester | Om (Werner, specifically) is looking at it. |
| 20:01.34 | Daramarak | mwester: So it is an issue with the FR |
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| 20:01.58 | mwester | Yes, with the wifi chip or the driver, nobody yet knows. |
| 20:02.45 | Daramarak | interesting... has it got a trac ticket? |
| 20:03.01 | laen | Does this apply to all main kernels (om, mwester, debian, etc)? |
| 20:03.01 | mwester | Dunno, I expect it does. |
| 20:03.15 | mwester | And yes, the wifi issue applies to all kernels. |
| 20:03.20 | laen | Kay. |
| 20:04.05 | Schugy | that's bad |
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| 20:04.31 | laen | Nah. |
| 20:04.37 | laen | Thats interesting though :) |
| 20:04.39 | mwester | Very bad. There are other problems too, that also need fixing. But no reason to think they won't all be worked out, eventually. |
| 20:05.01 | mwester | The bottom line is that the driver from Atheros is not very good (to be kind). |
| 20:05.19 | beniwtv | Yeah, I'm waiting for my bluethooth before I even think about WiFi... |
| 20:05.33 | Daramarak | Sad really, the wifi is one of the most appealing hw facets of the FR |
| 20:05.42 | Schugy | i wonder what will be available first, a gta03 or a coloured or aluminium cased pandora, both should work with wifi |
| 20:05.43 | laen | True. |
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| 20:05.53 | laen | Hows the bluetooth btw? Didn't try that yet. |
| 20:06.51 | beniwtv | laen: Works mostly for file tranfer, etc... But I get a kernel oops as soon as I use rfcomm to pair with the car handsfree (has a workaround, though) |
| 20:07.24 | mib_ofos7b | has anyone gotten the android image to boot yet? |
| 20:07.27 | mib_ofos7b | in here |
| 20:07.44 | beniwtv | mib_ofos7b: some have... I'm still trying, though |
| 20:07.48 | mwester | bluetooth should work for networking as well; that was working on the Neo long ago. |
| 20:08.14 | malane | I haven't been able to yet, keep getting the blank screen. I've tried creating two partitions on an 8gb uSD and both formatted to ext3 |
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| 20:09.30 | toggles_w | malane: http://pastebin.com/m613aaf6 |
| 20:11.38 | laen | So i guess you can use bluetooth for networking/internet right? |
| 20:11.39 | malane | thanks |
| 20:11.58 | laen | Shouldn't be too hard to config on any OS i guess.. interesting. |
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| 20:14.11 | malane | how do you set a partition type in fdisk? |
| 20:14.16 | toggles_w | t |
| 20:15.04 | Kensan | mwester: did you take the pcb all the way out of the case? |
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| 20:15.16 | malane | thanks |
| 20:15.28 | toggles_w | no wukkas |
| 20:15.58 | mwester | No. just the front panel. I found that lifting the GPS antenna out and placing it aside (without unplugging it) made access easier, to get the flat cable plugged in. |
| 20:16.32 | Kensan | mwester: yeah, that's how I am doing it but it looks a bit unstable... |
| 20:16.47 | mwester | It is fragile, I fear. |
| 20:16.48 | Daramarak | I have tried to run the numpty-physics game on the 2008.9 but I get an error that Enlightenment failed to start it. Is the game only working on 2007? |
| 20:17.28 | malane | I've played it on FDOM before (which is 2008.x) |
| 20:17.30 | malane | although it's very slow |
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| 20:17.59 | mwester | At one point I used some sticky tape to hold the boards and cables to the desk, to lessen the risk that I would catch a cable and pull something loose, or break the connector. |
| 20:19.24 | mwester | I also stripped the outer insulation off my USB cable to the debug board for an inch or so, so that it was very flexible at the end of the cable -- that made the debug board stay in place on the desk better (otherwise just messing with the cables behind my desk would make the debug board slide around.) |
| 20:19.58 | mwester | Now I have four little rubber feet glued to the bottom of the debug board. :) |
| 20:21.08 | cjb_ie | it's good to be all LRFed up |
| 20:22.35 | Kensan | mwester: yeah I need to figure something out |
| 20:22.51 | Kensan | currently all the usb cables run over my keyboard which makes typing a bit hard... |
| 20:23.34 | beniwtv | interesting... I'm not quite sure if I'm lucky or something, but the rfcomm bug seems to be gone in 2.6.26 that ships with the android image... I just reflashed Qtopia to verify the kernel can boot, and it does... :) |
| 20:24.44 | mwester | Duct Tape rules!!! |
| 20:25.01 | Hire | ANDROIDDDDDD |
| 20:25.02 | Hire | nooooooo |
| 20:25.02 | Kensan | mwester: hm still doesn't show anything |
| 20:25.09 | Hire | we are FFUUUU---- |
| 20:25.12 | Kensan | somethings odd. |
| 20:25.13 | Hire | FFFFFUUUUUCCCCC----- |
| 20:25.27 | beniwtv | Hire: ?? |
| 20:25.42 | malane | hm |
| 20:25.59 | mwester | Kensan: can you access u-boot via the serial console? |
| 20:26.03 | malane | toggles_w: those instructions didn't seem to help |
| 20:26.18 | Kensan | mwester: hold on, gotta do something else for a sec |
| 20:26.22 | malane | Hire: are you trying to get android running? |
| 20:26.35 | Hire | naaahhh |
| 20:26.39 | toggles_w | malane: you format second partition as ext3 |
| 20:26.39 | Hire | i get it working |
| 20:26.44 | Hire | and i see it very sucks :D |
| 20:26.46 | malane | toggles_w: I did |
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| 20:26.50 | Hire | as ducks |
| 20:26.55 | toggles_w | malane: also try making 2nd partition < 2G |
| 20:27.02 | Hire | pings Dave |
| 20:27.03 | toggles_w | you're using 8G card right? |
| 20:27.05 | malane | toggles_w: that could have been it |
| 20:28.07 | toggles_w | malane: my card is 2G it boots with that pastebin from this morning |
| 20:28.20 | laen | Nerf. Trying to install Debian to the SD card, but everytime before it finishes, the FR freezes somewhere. |
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| 20:28.59 | beniwtv | I gave up trying to install Android... I have now my old Qt Extended again... And the only thing I'm missing is my bt car handsfree |
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| 20:29.12 | beniwtv | Android: 2 beniwtv: 0 (for now) |
| 20:29.32 | Hire | beniwtv waits some day |
| 20:29.38 | Kensan | mwester: so I got the debugboard connected to the host and I got /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 20:29.48 | Hire | for a better images and kernel |
| 20:30.15 | Kensan | mwester: if I turn on the phone and go into nand uboot I should be able to connect to it via /dev/ttyUSB1, correct? |
| 20:30.17 | beniwtv | Hire: yup... and for a virtual keyboard as well... |
| 20:30.29 | Hire | if you wait some days |
| 20:30.39 | malane | hm |
| 20:30.45 | Hire | you will get a full functional android |
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| 20:31.24 | malane | toggles_w: I made p1 8M and p2 1024M, of types 6 and 83 respectively. p2 formatted ext3 |
| 20:31.30 | malane | toggles_w: and I still can't boot :( |
| 20:31.43 | bumbl | mwester_: it seems android solves problems |
| 20:32.13 | bumbl | android (in the video) seems to be as fast as lightning compared to the om software |
| 20:32.15 | beniwtv | Now if I could just figure out why my bt headset has no sound in QT Extended... when everything else works, I'd be 100% ok for now. Strange thing is I get static sound in the headset once the call starts, but no call sound :-/ |
| 20:32.43 | beniwtv | bumbl: video? Is there already one with a FR or a neo? :P |
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| 20:33.06 | bumbl | beniwtv: check out planet.openmoko.org |
| 20:34.08 | mwester | Kensan: Yes. |
| 20:34.10 | Kensan | mwester: hm... somethings still off. |
| 20:34.44 | beniwtv | woha! I get to old for this I think... You go away two hours and they have made a video of android already :P |
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| 20:35.46 | toggles_w | malane: sorry mate, i'm all outta idears |
| 20:36.30 | Kensan | mwester: should leds5&7 be blinking? |
| 20:36.45 | malane | toggles_w: thanks anyway |
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| 20:37.37 | bipak_ | does the battery usually get loaded even if the phone is off? |
| 20:37.51 | mwester | Kensan: I'm not sure... my debug board is not currently connected. :( |
| 20:38.14 | bipak_ | my fr won't turn on anymore |
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| 20:39.22 | Kensan | mwester: hm I am getting no connection to uboot via serial. I need to recheck if it's set to ttySAC2 |
| 20:39.22 | Pander | I had the same thing |
| 20:39.22 | norro | I'm interested in bipak's problem too. i have the same poblem right now |
| 20:39.22 | beniwtv | bipak_: AFAIK no, but you can try the workaround described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues |
| 20:39.24 | norro | battery seems to be empty and i can't get it workin |
| 20:39.28 | Pander | perhaps it turns on when you power it with USB from your desktop/laptop, it did the trick for me |
| 20:39.34 | beniwtv | The one with the AUX key (worked for me) |
| 20:39.46 | Pander | batt was also emtpy, charging with adapter was no use |
| 20:40.05 | bipak_ | i always load it with the over usb power |
| 20:40.08 | norro | beniwtv: what was it that worked for you? |
| 20:40.35 | mwester | Kensan: I need to leave for a little while, but if you cannot get it working, I'll re-connect my FR and we can compare settings to find out what is not right. |
| 20:40.36 | beniwtv | norro: "Some users have reported that Neo FreeRunner is able to boot on USB power alone using the NOR u-boot, thus: press AUX, plug USB power, select boot. Reports of success would be appreciated. " |
| 20:40.49 | bipak_ | ah |
| 20:41.06 | norro | i think i tried that already, but i will do again |
| 20:41.29 | Kensan | mwester: Well, I'll fiddle around with it some more :) |
| 20:41.34 | Kensan | mwester: Thanks alot! |
| 20:41.46 | bipak_ | beniwtv: that worked! |
| 20:41.47 | beniwtv | norro: make sure you take out the battery, and plug in the USB cable |
| 20:42.36 | toggles_w | whao, thats cool |
| 20:42.41 | Kensan | mwester: will have more questions when you are back *haha* |
| 20:43.21 | norro | beniwtv: removed the battery. then holding aux and plugged in the usb cable. no reaction :( |
| 20:43.29 | bipak_ | beniwtv: the androids are back, thanks :) |
| 20:43.49 | bipak_ | norro: removed battery, put it back, press aux, plug in the usb cable |
| 20:43.59 | bipak_ | that should fire up the nor uboot |
| 20:44.12 | norro | bipak_: holding aux while plugging in? |
| 20:44.14 | beniwtv | bipak_: you're welcome |
| 20:44.21 | bipak_ | norro: yes |
| 20:45.35 | norro | bipak_: still no reaction. anything to do with the power button? |
| 20:45.43 | bipak_ | no |
| 20:45.46 | beniwtv | norro: try what bipak_ suggested, if there's no reaction, also try pressing the power button. |
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| 20:46.15 | bipak_ | norro: maybe you need wait a bit after removing the bat |
| 20:46.20 | norro | okay. i hope i will not break my fingers when doing that. ;) |
| 20:46.24 | bipak_ | lol |
| 20:47.21 | bipak_ | did you put the battery back in? |
| 20:49.36 | norro | i did |
| 20:49.46 | norro | no reation at all |
| 20:49.49 | bipak_ | :\ |
| 20:50.12 | norro | will it work without the battery inside? |
| 20:50.53 | bipak_ | dunno |
| 20:50.53 | joerg_42 | yup, if it boots |
| 20:51.03 | toggles_w | mine wont go into nor without a batt |
| 20:52.22 | bumbl | mine does not boot without batt either |
| 20:52.29 | joerg_42 | btw: try charger! more power than PC-USB |
| 20:52.32 | beniwtv | norro: I just removed the battery and it did go into NOR... |
| 20:52.50 | bumbl | but as I have a spare nokia battery it's not a problem |
| 20:53.08 | norro | so just holding aux and then plugging the charger in? without battery? |
| 20:53.17 | beniwtv | Strange, seems some versions of the FR do not boot. Do you know what version you have? v5 v6? |
| 20:53.26 | beniwtv | norro: yes |
| 20:53.39 | norro | beniwtv: where i can i see the version? |
| 20:53.45 | joerg_42 | norro: yup |
| 20:55.10 | Pander | perhaps the charging needs a bit of time when batt is really drained before the device will start up |
| 20:55.51 | norro | Pander: i already "charged" it (if one can use this word in this case) for two hours |
| 20:55.55 | beniwtv | norro: Try this: Plug in the charger. Wait for two seconds or so. Then press and hold AUX, while you also press and hold the POWER button. It makes a noise and it should enter NOR (this has worked for me). |
| 20:55.56 | Pander | anyone here assebled into the collective? (read: anyone running android?) |
| 20:56.20 | joerg_42 | Pander: charging usually needs boot to work. thats the *problem* |
| 20:56.21 | beniwtv | Pander: AFAIK, the FR does not charge while off |
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| 20:57.55 | Pander | aha |
| 20:58.59 | Pander | I tried a lot, I heard the speaker squick a bit each time I pressed the power button but no booting or whatsoever. think that it started booting when connected to my laptop and then also started charging |
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| 20:59.53 | beniwtv | Pander: Yes, it makes a sound, and eventually if you leave the power button pressed it will go into NOR |
| 20:59.57 | norro | i get no reation at all no matter what i do: holding the aux button, holding power button, holding both, with or woithour battery ... |
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| 21:00.43 | norro | i wonder if i do something really stupid without seeing it. but i already tested the charger with my other phone |
| 21:01.18 | beniwtv | norro: This is a FR right? Not a neo 1973? |
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| 21:01.23 | joerg_42 | press Aux. Hold. Insert charger. wait and hold. press and hold power |
| 21:01.54 | joerg_42 | release aux |
| 21:02.01 | norro | joerg_42: with battery inside? |
| 21:02.37 | joerg_42 | try both, but drained batt should be same as no batt at all |
| 21:02.51 | norro | ok |
| 21:03.02 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 21:03.22 | joerg_42 | when device is up to display, insert batt and charge |
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| 21:04.00 | F4t | hi, did anyone manage to boot into android yet? :) |
| 21:04.13 | joerg_42 | if no success to boot, try same procedure another ~5 times |
| 21:04.42 | beniwtv | F4t: Someone had success ... see planet.openmoko.org for a video |
| 21:05.05 | joerg_42 | if still no access -> bad luck, see alternative escapes of drained-batt deadlock |
| 21:06.02 | joerg_42 | *success |
| 21:06.12 | F4t | saw aa video on youtube, |
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| 21:06.25 | beniwtv | joerg_42: Do you think there is any difference between the wall charger and the USB cable? |
| 21:06.27 | F4t | also read on the blog that you need a fat and ext3 partition on the sd... or it wont boot.. |
| 21:06.31 | beniwtv | I just tested with the cable... |
| 21:06.44 | joerg_42 | beniwtv: sure |
| 21:06.45 | beniwtv | F4t: true |
| 21:07.11 | F4t | beniwtv, ill have to wait till they fix it, got debian on my sd... |
| 21:07.13 | joerg_42 | charger does 1A unconditionally |
| 21:07.25 | joerg_42 | even 2 |
| 21:07.29 | F4t | beniwtv, mayb ill used the 512 sd, but its such a pain to switch cards |
| 21:07.47 | joerg_42 | USB you never know |
| 21:08.00 | beniwtv | F4t: yeah, it's the same for me... But I couldn't get it to work on the 512 MB... |
| 21:09.07 | beniwtv | joerg_42: hmm... maybe it starts only with 500mA, but that would be silly would it? |
| 21:09.16 | F4t | beniwtv, black screen at boot? |
| 21:09.40 | joerg_42 | yeah silly, for NOR |
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| 21:09.53 | beniwtv | F4t: no, I get the logo, but then a kernel panic... The same kernel boots with Qt extended just fine... |
| 21:11.17 | norro | so guys. i tried it some times now with and without battery inside. no luck. i gues i have to find a fitting nokia mobile phone or a fitting battery charger. thanks anyway for your time |
| 21:11.55 | norro | if you can tell me how to find it i can tell you the version of my phone for the records |
| 21:12.23 | beniwtv | joerg_42, norro: Just tried with the wall charger, and it goes into NOR. Would have been silly :P |
| 21:12.23 | joerg_42 | noaXess: datecode |
| 21:12.43 | noaXess | joerg_42: ??? |
| 21:12.52 | joerg_42 | sorry |
| 21:13.08 | joerg_42 | addrd to norro |
| 21:13.09 | norro | autocompletion, i guess :) |
| 21:13.16 | joerg_42 | yup |
| 21:13.48 | norro | sp date code is 20080617 |
| 21:14.48 | beniwtv | mine is 200808-something maybe that's it... |
| 21:15.13 | F4t | beniwtv, i dont even get the boot logo... |
| 21:15.37 | joerg_42 | beniwtv: yup |
| 21:16.15 | joerg_42 | different capacitor on Vsys |
| 21:16.27 | beniwtv | joerg_42: so v5? |
| 21:16.38 | joerg_42 | think so |
| 21:16.44 | joerg_42 | not sure |
| 21:16.53 | F4t | does anyone know of an application for xfce/xserver/debian to zoom where the mouse cursor is, so you could use fingers instead of stylus...? |
| 21:17.19 | lindi- | F4t: i use my fingernails :) |
| 21:17.20 | beniwtv | hmm.. maybe anyone from the hardware team can confirm that, and add it to the Wiki if true... |
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| 21:19.11 | joerg_42 | beniwtv: what exactly? |
| 21:19.46 | joerg_42 | beniwtv: bootissue is known and I guess documented |
| 21:20.05 | beniwtv | joerg_42: I'm thinking that maybe v5 does not boot that way... We could add that to the Wiki, so that people don't waste time trying it... |
| 21:20.12 | bipak_ | F4t: you need an ext2/3 partition on mmcblk0p2 for getting android to boot |
| 21:20.26 | vininim | halp, how do I fix lag on national postal services for freerunner shipping? =P |
| 21:20.34 | joerg_42 | I don't know for sure which datecode we got big C |
| 21:20.56 | joerg_42 | also some A5 *do* boot |
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| 21:22.52 | samgee | does anybody know where /etc/profile on FSO comes from? |
| 21:23.01 | samgee | it seems to reset every time I reboot |
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| 21:26.46 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6d851d7e051c 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): python-pygame: Blacklist smpeg and build pygame without smpeg |
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| 21:27.28 | norro | beniwtv, joerg_42: i just advised two friends of mine (german) to try to boot their freerunners without battery (holding aux, plugging charger). also no reaction, also data code 200806.. |
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| 21:27.57 | holycow | hey guys, anyone running android on their moko? |
| 21:28.00 | F4t | bipak_, i have debian,with ext2 on p2... |
| 21:28.20 | bipak_ | holycow: had it running for 30minutes |
| 21:28.20 | bipak_ | ;) |
| 21:28.42 | bipak_ | F4t: so android should boot. but i'm not sure what happens with your debian install |
| 21:29.11 | bipak_ | holycow: it's quite fast |
| 21:29.17 | joerg_42 | norro: yup, odds are it won't work for A5.. tho occasionally it will |
| 21:29.29 | bipak_ | but no wlan, no bluetooth.. nothing works yet :) |
| 21:29.39 | bipak_ | pffff |
| 21:30.14 | norro | joerg_42: so just trying it again and again? is there any chance it will do? |
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| 21:31.40 | joerg_42 | yup, up to ten times maybe. also different temp etc might impact. but usually some A5 boot, others dont |
| 21:32.20 | joerg_42 | most don't tho |
| 21:33.45 | joerg_42 | get Urself a noname spare nokia batt for 5â¬, then swap bat after boot |
| 21:34.04 | joerg_42 | to charge |
| 21:34.37 | norro | joerg_42: okay |
| 21:34.42 | norro | thanks |
| 21:34.57 | joerg_42 | np |
| 21:35.55 | paulproteus | norro, Where are you based? |
| 21:36.20 | joerg_42 | ahh, one thing: removing SIM and sd might help (less power) |
| 21:36.40 | norro | paulproteus: germany |
| 21:36.52 | paulproteus | Cool. |
| 21:37.06 | norro | is it? :) |
| 21:37.10 | joerg_42 | PLZ? |
| 21:37.21 | norro | why? |
| 21:37.43 | joerg_42 | maybe we're neighbours :-) |
| 21:38.03 | joerg_42 | 90xxx here |
| 21:38.04 | norro | i see! switched from 4422x to 8033x. |
| 21:38.41 | norro | 90xxx is where? bavaria? |
| 21:38.50 | joerg_42 | yup. N |
| 21:39.11 | toggles_w | soo.. anyone know why debian wont boot for me? I followed the guide, raun configure-uboot.sh get my menu but the phone just continously crashes/reboots |
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| 21:39.41 | beniwtv | whoa! I lived in Bavaria before (near Regensburg). Now I'm in Spain, though |
| 21:40.00 | joerg_42 | cool :-) |
| 21:40.04 | beniwtv | well, near Regensburg but well to the North |
| 21:41.53 | norro | joerg_42: so i can come by and you fix my freerunner? ;) |
| 21:42.45 | joerg_42 | maybe :-) not for next 7 weeks tho. TPE ;-) |
| 21:44.35 | beniwtv | toggles_w: do you see any error message before it crashes / reboots? |
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| 21:45.27 | beniwtv | Also, sometimes the packages can be corrupted (they're using sid). In that case, you can try in another day (or two). |
| 21:45.29 | toggles_w | beniwtv: actually, it's weird.. says it can't read uImage |
| 21:45.39 | toggles_w | do i need to update uboot to read ext2? |
| 21:45.53 | beniwtv | toggles_w: yes |
| 21:46.16 | beniwtv | or use a fat partition as the first partition and the rest ext2 |
| 21:46.28 | toggles_w | beniwtv: thanks, i will look for a uboot |
| 21:47.58 | beniwtv | toggles_w: I think it was also explained on the Wiki on debian.org,.... uboot must be at least 200805 + IIRC |
| 21:48.02 | opentrinity | anyone could help me with audio propblem after suspend? |
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| 21:49.50 | toggles_w | beniwtv: yeah, but it's fine print, real men don't read the instructions ;-) |
| 21:50.34 | toggles_w | beniwtv: much better, found and booting, thanks |
| 21:50.46 | beniwtv | toggles_w: np |
| 21:53.49 | Daramarak | opentrinity: there is some information about this on the wik, have you read it? |
| 21:54.36 | opentrinity | i read there is a bug...removing navit and speech...they solve it |
| 21:54.42 | opentrinity | but this is not my case |
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| 21:55.54 | opentrinity | ...audio works...but after suspend doesn't work.... |
| 21:56.16 | opentrinity | sorry not all...audio mplayer works...only rongtones |
| 21:56.34 | opentrinity | does'nt work |
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| 21:56.51 | opentrinity | OMG sorry for mistakes |
| 21:57.49 | beniwtv | opentrinity: don't worry :) |
| 21:58.00 | beniwtv | we all make mistakes |
| 21:58.06 | opentrinity | :-) |
| 21:58.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | that's more fun :-) |
| 21:58.50 | opentrinity | ? |
| 21:59.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | ;-) |
| 21:59.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | no mistakes, no fun |
| 21:59.36 | opentrinity | anyone could help me to debug the audio problem... |
| 22:00.23 | beniwtv | opentrinity: sorry to not be more of a help, but I never got that problem here... |
| 22:00.37 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: I am trying to get my debugboard working with my FR. Would you know why I get /dev/ttyUSB0-3 instead of only 0 and 1 like it says in the wiki? |
| 22:00.38 | toggles_w | is there a keboard for debian? |
| 22:00.50 | Kensan | it's a v3 debugboard |
| 22:01.06 | beniwtv | toggles_w: if you have the default install, it should be on the AUX button |
| 22:01.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | Kensan: no, sorry :-/ |
| 22:01.50 | toggles_w | beniwtv: thanks mate, you're full of answers! |
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| 22:02.08 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: ok thanks. |
| 22:02.13 | beniwtv | toggles_w: np :P |
| 22:02.19 | toggles_w | sweet, so now all we need is illume ;-) |
| 22:02.51 | beniwtv | yeah... but I run XFCE currently with the matchbox WM, and I'm modding it into a smartphone |
| 22:03.01 | beniwtv | and it works quite well... |
| 22:03.11 | toggles_w | cool |
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| 22:09.42 | Kensan | mwester: ping |
| 22:10.34 | Kensan | hm.. I am only getting garbled output on the serial console. |
| 22:11.42 | beniwtv | well, gotta go |
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| 22:12.29 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4752 10/developers/werner/scr2ppm.pl: Added command for taking a screen dump from a shell, not only with JTAG. |
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| 22:33.43 | Daramarak | This alsamixer is too much for me. Anyone got a clue how I can get music on both ears on my headphones (jack, not bt) |
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| 22:47.00 | ccfly | good night :) |
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| 22:52.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | Daramarak: alsactl restore -f /usr/share/scenarios/stereoheadset.state |
| 22:54.56 | Daramarak | DocScrutinizer2: Cannot Open, no such file or directory |
| 22:55.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | missing "openmoko" somewhere in the path ;-) |
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| 22:55.43 | Dave | Kensan, still getting that weird usb dbb issue? :p |
| 22:55.58 | Dave | Joerg - Missing Openmoko somewhere in development is more like it :p |
| 22:56.05 | Dave | or the other way around |
| 22:57.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~muffle dave |
| 22:58.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | hi Dave :-) |
| 22:59.34 | Daramarak | I do not have a stereoheadset.state, but a headset.state |
| 22:59.41 | Daramarak | is that it? |
| 22:59.50 | Daramarak | Doc? |
| 22:59.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | sound good |
| 23:00.21 | zogg_ | night night |
| 23:00.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | should switch on headset mode in amp |
| 23:00.45 | Daramarak | Yes it did, thank you very much |
| 23:00.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | np |
| 23:00.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
| 23:02.58 | Daramarak | I was thinking of the batteryproblem norro, and a load of others have. If the problem is that the FR uses to much power to power it from the charger, wouldn't it be possible to start it in another state, with the screen turned off and other power consuming parts? |
| 23:04.03 | Dave | Joerg - hey, don't you muffle me, mister! :P |
| 23:04.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's what new uboot actually tries to do. First brownout however is before we can set any state, during reset of CPU |
| 23:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | throws sweet waffles on Dave |
| 23:04.49 | Daramarak | Ah, I see |
| 23:05.34 | Dave | :D |
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| 23:05.46 | Dave | I'm so sweet now! |
| 23:06.36 | Daramarak | So when the device gets its juice it is built in such a way that it powers up everything before the software even runs? |
| 23:07.10 | Daramarak | Then there is not much hope for a SW solution at all |
| 23:09.13 | Daramarak | Except refusing to power up when the battery has critical low power, so that the brownouts is less likely to happen. |
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| 23:25.56 | Dave | KenYoung! |
| 23:26.40 | KenYoung | Hi Dave, what's new tonight? |
| 23:27.13 | Dave | I might test 2.2 more if I have time :) |
| 23:27.24 | Dave | So if you don't hear feedback from me tonight, expect it soon :) |
| 23:27.30 | KenYoung | Please, please please send suggestions for changes. |
| 23:27.38 | Dave | I have a big project deadline tomorrow, but I'm eager to play with it. |
| 23:27.48 | Dave | I'm even more inclined since it gets darker sooner now! |
| 23:27.48 | Dave | :D |
| 23:29.42 | KenYoung | I'd be interested in your ideas about how I should handle time. Almost everything is displayed in UT now, and I'm sure that will be off-putting to many users. One the other hnad, since you can set the time and location to anywhere (well, from 3000 BC to 3000 AD), it's hard for me to figure out how to show local times in a way that is not confusing. |
| 23:30.15 | Dave | Yeah, such as myself :) |
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| 23:30.17 | mokolade | yiihaa! I did a reinstall of Android and now GSM works. I can make and recieve calls :) |
| 23:30.29 | Dave | mokolade, I hope it lasts :) |
| 23:30.42 | Dave | Ken, I'll take a look at that :) |
| 23:30.53 | KenYoung | Please do. I need ideas. |
| 23:31.01 | lindi- | mokolade: can you log the traffic it is sending to /dev/ttySAC0? |
| 23:31.19 | Dave | lindi is hungry for your debug logs :) |
| 23:32.24 | mokolade | have no clue how to do that |
| 23:33.16 | mokolade | I can ping the phone when connected to USB on 192.168.0.202 but there is no sshd |
| 23:33.47 | mokolade | and with no on-screen-keyboard I can not do anythin on the phone |
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| 23:35.54 | Fougner | ;D |
| 23:36.32 | Dave | cool |
| 23:37.47 | mokolade | but I am impressed about Android on the FreeRunner. It's pretty fast compared to OM200X, FSO, FDOM... |
| 23:38.17 | Dave | but unusable as of presently? |
| 23:38.23 | Dave | or pretty useless, in your opinion? |
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| 23:39.06 | Dave | Rui. |
| 23:39.07 | mokolade | without WIFI, GPS it's pretty useless compared to the other distros |
| 23:39.12 | Dave | :] |
| 23:39.36 | [Rui] | Dave: heya! |
| 23:39.42 | mokolade | but HEY I can make/recieve calls :P |
| 23:39.54 | mokolade | and show off :) |
| 23:39.56 | [Rui] | mokolade: so do I, with the DAILY even |
| 23:40.07 | KenYoung | mokolade, How good is the sound on calls? |
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| 23:40.39 | mokolade | I have used FDOM the last couple of months, have been working prety good |
| 23:40.49 | [Rui] | btw, paroli question... can I run paroli if I installed qtopia? can I simply prevent qtopia from running by moving aside the script from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/? |
| 23:41.22 | Dave | cool |
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| 23:41.39 | trains | mokolade: before you did the reinstall what appeared onscreen when you booted android? |
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| 23:42.40 | mokolade | I hope they can make framework in C++ or something so it uses less memory, with OM200X, FDOM the Freerunner have very little memory left if ANY... |
| 23:43.43 | ronny | mokolade: im desperately hoping for vala - dbus is just pain in c++ |
| 23:44.31 | Dave | heh |
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| 23:48.25 | trains | mokolade: you said "mokolade: yiihaa! I did a reinstall of Android and now GSM works. I can make and recieve calls :)" did you simply reflashed Sean McNeil images? |
| 23:48.43 | Fougner | :D |
| 23:48.59 | Dave | I think he was also being a tad overzealous. |
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| 23:50.39 | ljp | isnt that illegal? |
| 23:50.46 | ljp | being overzealous |
| 23:51.21 | mokolade | trains: the same as now, exept now GSM suddenly works |
| 23:51.36 | mokolade | KenYoung: The clock is 2AM here so I have not had the chance to test audio quality yet.. |
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| 23:51.46 | Daramarak | My predictive keyboard had some icons in the top right corner, but now they are gone. They had a choice for a terminal mode that made all keys accessable. Do anyone know what I have to do to reenable them= |
| 23:51.49 | Daramarak | them? |
| 23:52.14 | KenYoung | mokolade, OK, I'm sure a lot of people will want to hear your results, when you can get them. |
| 23:52.38 | mokolade | well, I did infact not reinstall, I just repartition and formatted the SD card and copyed some images on the fat partition |
| 23:52.59 | mokolade | it used some more time during boot, I think it scans for images/music on the SD card |
| 23:53.46 | mokolade | I really do not know WHY GSM suddenly worked |
| 23:54.12 | mokolade | I did not believe it was implemented |
| 23:54.29 | trains | mine presents a gray box in the botton saying that it's locked, to press menu to unlock. when i press menu it asks for the PIN, i enter the pin and it always say the PIN is incorrect |
| 23:54.46 | mokolade | It was a positive surprise :) |
| 23:55.11 | trains | and after ~30 sec, it goes black and bye bye |
| 23:55.17 | mokolade | i disabled the pin the day I got my freerunner |
| 23:55.30 | trains | hum |
