| 00:00.45 | Kensan | ok it's 2.5 seconds faster with the patch |
| 00:01.01 | mwester_ | That's not a bad gain. |
| 00:01.05 | Kensan | yeah |
| 00:01.07 | mwester_ | for a one-line patch... |
| 00:01.19 | Kensan | compared to all the rest it's still not that much :( |
| 00:01.28 | raster | better than nothing |
| 00:01.28 | raster | :) |
| 00:01.52 | Kensan | mwester_: so I would ack that patch ;) will you do the honors and put it in knife? |
| 00:02.17 | Kensan | this gets illume-base-image boottime down to 47 secs |
| 00:02.23 | mwester_ | :) Sure thing. We should also send it in to the kernel mailing list -- would you do that? |
| 00:02.40 | raster | 1 line |
| 00:02.43 | raster | 2.5 seconds |
| 00:02.55 | Kensan | right |
| 00:02.57 | raster | wite 100 lines of patch at the same pseedup/line ratio |
| 00:03.06 | raster | and u'll be looking at instant-boot! |
| 00:03.06 | raster | :) |
| 00:03.08 | Kensan | or maybe I shouldn't because it's typotime for me |
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| 00:03.31 | kirun | Write 200 lines, it'll boot while you're thinking about turning it on! |
| 00:03.41 | Kensan | raster: yeah, andy had a comment along those very same lines for harald's nand-timing patch *heh* |
| 00:03.49 | raster | hehehe |
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| 00:10.55 | Kensan | mwester_: ok I sent the mail to kernel. |
| 00:11.44 | Dave | Kernel get signal? |
| 00:11.58 | Kensan | hm when will the "big" move to 2.6.27 happen? |
| 00:12.07 | Dave | haha |
| 00:12.17 | Dave | after people understand 2.6.26 |
| 00:12.36 | Kensan | ? |
| 00:12.57 | jonkristian | Is there a reason to move to 2.6.27 ? |
| 00:12.59 | Kensan | argh, I knew I should have read the mail over again. |
| 00:13.03 | Kensan | jonkristian: ubifs |
| 00:13.18 | Kensan | jonkristian: for starters :) |
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| 00:14.54 | mwester_ | The current "big" work was on 2.6.26, and involved a complete restructure of the OM drivers to fix up the suspend/resume ordering. |
| 00:15.00 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:15.03 | mwester_ | There are no direct "big wins" from that. |
| 00:15.13 | mwester_ | Just that it's a better platform to move forward upon. |
| 00:15.41 | mwester_ | Part of "moving forward" is 2.6.27, and somewhere in there is fledgling support for cpu frequency changes (cesarb's work). |
| 00:15.56 | Kensan | mwester_: well I think if they are serious about mainlining most kernel-patches they should be very close to current kernels. |
| 00:16.12 | mwester_ | So we're rather stalled on 2.6.24, waiting for Andy to get the glamo resuming properly on 2.6.26. |
| 00:16.12 | raster | thinks suspend/resume should die a horrible death |
| 00:16.34 | mwester_ | agrees, but it seems we're condemned to that rather special circle of hell. |
| 00:16.35 | Kensan | mwester_: mkay, but andy is doing Qi lately or am I mistaken? |
| 00:16.39 | mwester_ | :( |
| 00:16.40 | Kensan | just judging by the commits... |
| 00:16.50 | mwester_ | That's why I get so depressed. |
| 00:16.56 | raster | mwester_: :( |
| 00:16.59 | mwester_ | All I see is work on GTA03 (such as Qi). |
| 00:17.03 | Kensan | yeah |
| 00:17.07 | Dave | Yeah :[ |
| 00:17.08 | mwester_ | and no progress on the GTA02 issues. |
| 00:17.15 | jonkristian | ! |
| 00:17.17 | raster | i stil lsee idiots goin "usb goes away when it suspends" |
| 00:17.24 | raster | or "my ssh connection doesnt work when it suspends" |
| 00:17.26 | raster | idiots |
| 00:17.30 | raster | orf course it feckin doesnt |
| 00:17.30 | Kensan | raster: heh |
| 00:17.34 | raster | its SUSPENDED |
| 00:17.59 | CVirus | me backlight turns off during suspend :-( |
| 00:18.13 | raster | if we didnt suspend.. we wouldn't have to worry about this kind of "Special" idiot. :) |
| 00:18.13 | CVirus | :-p |
| 00:18.25 | mwester_ | well, yes we would |
| 00:18.44 | raster | mwester_: i can bet u al work wil be gta03 - community can worry about gta02 |
| 00:18.45 | mwester_ | at a certain point, we would turn of USB as the host clock slows... it's a peripheral. |
| 00:19.00 | mwester_ | raster: like the GTA01. :( |
| 00:19.01 | raster | the only work for gta02 will be gta03 applicable stuff too |
| 00:19.01 | SpeedEvil | CPU can go ratehr slow before USB has to be turned off. |
| 00:19.15 | mwester_ | SpeedEvil: I thought there were timing problems, though... |
| 00:19.18 | raster | so if its insta-backport (ie works the same on both) gta02 wins |
| 00:19.19 | Kensan | so early adopsters get royally shagged again with GTA02, the same as with Neo... |
| 00:19.23 | Kensan | adopters |
| 00:19.27 | Kensan | damnit |
| 00:19.40 | SpeedEvil | mwester-trip: I don't know - I've only really glanced at it. |
| 00:19.49 | raster | SpeedEvil: yeah. i actually get my gta02 to stay up all night |
| 00:19.54 | raster | and in the morning battery is 1/2 full |
| 00:19.56 | raster | or so |
| 00:20.02 | raster | and thats without suspending anything |
| 00:20.15 | raster | Kensan: thats my guess/bet |
| 00:20.29 | raster | tho gta02 is really an ugly prototype |
| 00:20.32 | raster | the inset screen |
| 00:20.38 | raster | bugge-rall buttons |
| 00:20.49 | raster | and glamo experiment |
| 00:21.10 | mwester_ | But the problem is that's not how it was intended to be. |
| 00:21.18 | Kensan | raster: well I am hoping that swisscom will release their case-design under CC soon so I can swap out the current case with that. |
| 00:21.29 | mwester_ | doesn't know about that |
| 00:21.38 | raster | mwester_: thats not the way it was mnarketed/publicised |
| 00:21.41 | raster | sure |
| 00:21.52 | raster | but looking at it technically/cricitcally |
| 00:21.55 | raster | thats just what it is |
| 00:22.00 | raster | just for one |
| 00:22.01 | Dave | It's you, raster! |
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| 00:22.10 | raster | i cant believe u can ship a touchscreen hpone intended to be used with a FINGER |
| 00:22.15 | raster | and have the screen indented like that |
| 00:22.18 | raster | not flush |
| 00:22.31 | mwester_ | good point |
| 00:22.37 | raster | it has no holder for a stylus - thus is not meant to be used with one |
| 00:22.39 | raster | :) |
| 00:22.55 | raster | that is just a big flashing "hi - i'm an engineering prototype" light for me |
| 00:22.57 | raster | ie |
| 00:22.58 | Kensan | raster: that's why they ship the pen which you can't stow away anywhere.... |
| 00:23.01 | mwester_ | But what would be involved for OM to have raised the screen from the circuit board so the bevel was not so deep? |
| 00:23.04 | raster | real hw for engineering/testers to play with |
| 00:23.12 | raster | get suspend/resum/power/and basic ui right |
| 00:23.20 | raster | and just "assume" the screne will get fixed when it's out for real |
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| 00:23.27 | raster | ie if u cant quite hit a corner |
| 00:23.28 | raster | dont worry |
| 00:23.31 | raster | u will be able to later |
| 00:23.36 | raster | grow smaller fingers for now |
| 00:23.37 | raster | :) |
| 00:23.47 | mwester_ | Well, from a quantity point of view, I suspect that companies like Motorola and Nokia probably run as many engineering samples as the production runs for the GTA02 were... |
| 00:23.51 | raster | mwester_: new case |
| 00:23.59 | raster | and new case would have been a big expense |
| 00:24.02 | raster | design then moulds |
| 00:24.19 | mwester_ | Ok, so no timing/electrical issues that couldn't be solved. |
| 00:24.21 | SpeedEvil | Hire craftsmen to carve them out of walnut. |
| 00:24.25 | SpeedEvil | It's a selling point! |
| 00:24.34 | mwester_ | has a router |
| 00:24.38 | raster | SpeedEvil: if in china.. that might actually be cheaper! :) |
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| 00:24.43 | Dave | :D |
| 00:24.48 | SpeedEvil | raster: you know what'd happen. |
| 00:24.56 | SpeedEvil | raster: we'd end up with crumbly edible cases. |
| 00:25.01 | raster | hahahahaha |
| 00:25.11 | raster | "yum... breakfast phone!" |
| 00:25.16 | Dave | Delicious! |
| 00:25.20 | Dave | dhone? |
| 00:25.22 | raster | seriously |
| 00:25.26 | mwester_ | Make 'em from milk powder. I understand that's not edible in China. |
| 00:25.28 | raster | gta02 is a goiod solid prototype |
| 00:25.40 | raster | in the world of prototypes |
| 00:26.53 | raster | but as software was nowhere near ready (power management (suspend/resume/clock freq changing), driver performace, letalone userspace ui and infra, gsm modem bugs, wifi driver bugs, and sheer lack of testing of things like bluetooth etc.) |
| 00:27.10 | raster | a gta02 would be somethnig to use to at leats get those in order |
| 00:27.21 | raster | and just sell them to "the community" to have them fix it for u |
| 00:27.22 | raster | :) |
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| 00:29.12 | Kensan | raster: well I think userspace will be coming along now that fso is stabilizing. |
| 00:29.41 | Kensan | raster: as virtually everybody agrees OM should really focus on what they said they would in the "back to basics" bit... |
| 00:29.49 | raster | yes |
| 00:29.59 | raster | but trust me |
| 00:30.16 | raster | they're still wanting to do their own gui design and ideas for gta03 |
| 00:30.38 | Kensan | raster: well I don't care if at least the basics are solid. |
| 00:30.40 | raster | they arent goign to just go "take what we get from the open source and make the core just work before trying to do fancy ui design" |
| 00:30.42 | Kensan | which arent |
| 00:30.46 | Kensan | for crying out loud |
| 00:31.05 | raster | oh - trust me. people are goign to sink mych time and effort tyring to implement the ui changes |
| 00:31.07 | mwester_ | is not too impressed by the "back to basics" bit so far... very few tickets closed, no progress on the Calypso, no progress on the suspend/resume issues... |
| 00:31.10 | raster | instead of other important things |
| 00:31.29 | SpeedEvil | UI changes. |
| 00:31.30 | Kensan | oh ok so they are keen on doing the mistake for the 4th time? |
| 00:31.31 | raster | imho back to basics does include a usable working wm/desktop/launcehr and app manager |
| 00:31.40 | Kensan | :( |
| 00:31.44 | Dave | shit, I hope I didn't fry my internal audio |
| 00:31.46 | raster | as well as core basic but working phone apps |
| 00:31.55 | raster | dialling, incoming calls, sms edit/read |
| 00:32.01 | jonkristian | Dave: still problem? |
| 00:32.01 | raster | and otherwise config for everything |
| 00:32.06 | Kensan | ok then I completely misread that posting. |
| 00:32.09 | raster | wifi, bt, gsm/gprs data sessions etc.) |
| 00:32.14 | Kensan | and so did everybody else I guess. |
| 00:32.17 | raster | who cases how simple the ui is to use |
| 00:32.19 | raster | or hard |
| 00:32.21 | raster | or complicated |
| 00:32.28 | raster | or if the colors/fonts/alignments are right |
| 00:32.33 | raster | just make it work |
| 00:32.33 | Dave | :( |
| 00:32.37 | raster | worry about all that some other day |
| 00:32.45 | Kensan | they should take their visionary hats of and put on the engineering gear... |
| 00:32.48 | Dave | jonkristian: well I just started an audio stream, and noticed the internal isn't doing anything |
| 00:32.48 | raster | or just take what u get and re-use existing widgets/themes/layouts/apps/infra |
| 00:32.51 | Dave | :x |
| 00:33.10 | jonkristian | Dave: hm, you've abviously checked levels and settings in alsamixer ? |
| 00:33.16 | raster | Kensan: not going to happen. company isnt run by eningeers |
| 00:33.23 | raster | its run by "visionaries" |
| 00:33.50 | Dave | FUCK |
| 00:33.50 | mwester_ | mutters something about the visionaries seeming to chase away the engineers |
| 00:33.51 | SpeedEvil | Which is fine. |
| 00:33.57 | SpeedEvil | If they stick with a vision. |
| 00:33.57 | Kensan | well this makes me feel quite bad for the few engineers they hired... |
| 00:33.58 | Dave | jonkristian: the external jack outputs stereo sound fine |
| 00:34.07 | Dave | but when I disconnect it, nothing plays on the freerunner speakers :( |
| 00:34.08 | raster | hey |
| 00:34.10 | Dave | I think they're fried. |
| 00:34.11 | raster | its their company |
| 00:34.14 | raster | let them do what they want |
| 00:34.20 | raster | its their business and product |
| 00:34.22 | raster | not yours |
| 00:34.36 | mwester_ | which is why the FSO/treo 650 project is interesting. |
| 00:34.37 | jonkristian | Dave: isn't that a bug then, did you try rebooting and test, without pluggin in headphones to begin with? |
| 00:34.38 | raster | if u were a shareholder i could understand your being pissed off |
| 00:34.42 | raster | i know i would be |
| 00:34.46 | SpeedEvil | raster: nothing wrong with wishing that they'd make oodles of money by getting it right. |
| 00:34.48 | Dave | yes |
| 00:35.03 | Kensan | the thing is, that I believe in the "vision" and think it's a worthwhile goal to try to implement. |
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| 00:35.04 | SpeedEvil | Maybe even oodooloplexes. |
| 00:35.06 | raster | SpeedEvil: *if* :) |
| 00:35.21 | raster | i dont care if they make a bucketload of money |
| 00:35.23 | raster | goopd for them |
| 00:35.29 | Kensan | but obviously it's not going to happen if you do it that way... |
| 00:35.37 | raster | but dont expect them to focus on engineering stuff |
| 00:35.41 | raster | like technical core details |
| 00:35.48 | raster | and solve technical existing problems |
| 00:36.00 | SpeedEvil | Technical core details are the wrong place for the leaders to be focussed. |
| 00:36.00 | raster | eg |
| 00:36.08 | raster | if an app wants to be fullscreen and doesnt have vkb support |
| 00:36.11 | raster | how do u enter text? |
| 00:36.22 | SpeedEvil | But they need to understand engineering fundamentals, pick a horse, and let it run. |
| 00:36.28 | Kensan | well if they don't this project is not going to turn any profit for them imho so it would be in their own interest to listen to the community. |
| 00:36.31 | raster | or how dop u quit a fullscrene app that doesnt offer a way to quit on the screen? |
| 00:36.35 | raster | not goign to solve that |
| 00:36.44 | raster | just going to go redesign the ui :) |
| 00:36.47 | SpeedEvil | passes raster a hardware button. |
| 00:37.04 | raster | SpeedEvil: ooh thats busy suspending and powering down :) |
| 00:37.12 | SpeedEvil | morse. |
| 00:37.12 | raster | and the other is busy lokcing the screen |
| 00:37.13 | raster | \:) |
| 00:37.16 | raster | hehehe |
| 00:37.17 | raster | sure |
| 00:37.22 | raster | but no one is goign to SOLVE it |
| 00:37.30 | raster | mechanisms exist |
| 00:37.33 | raster | well some |
| 00:37.40 | raster | u need to plug them together |
| 00:37.59 | SpeedEvil | retracile: <raster> SpeedEvil: *if* :) |
| 00:38.03 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/If |
| 00:38.11 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.39 | Kensan | well I am off. need to catch some sleep |
| 00:38.45 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: wave. |
| 00:39.04 | mwester_ | good night, Kensan. |
| 00:39.18 | Kensan | mwester_: btw, I sent the mail to kernel. |
| 00:39.26 | mwester_ | cool. :) |
| 00:39.32 | Kensan | oh I already mentioned that. hmmmm |
| 00:39.36 | raster | lets see |
| 00:39.53 | Dave | :| |
| 00:40.03 | Dave | Joerg, to the rescue! |
| 00:40.04 | Kensan | should go to bed. |
| 00:40.05 | Kensan | lol |
| 00:40.11 | raster | but i suspect there will be more visionary ui enhancements from their amazing ui design department. and work will be put into making that happne for gta03 |
| 00:40.26 | raster | as of course being an asian company run by westerners but that has been asianified |
| 00:40.40 | raster | all good workers must do as they are told |
| 00:40.40 | raster | :) |
| 00:40.48 | Kensan | banzaiii! |
| 00:40.54 | hipitihop | mwester_, any kernel updates suitable with qtextended since http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin ? |
| 00:41.04 | Kensan | night all |
| 00:42.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: rescue Ur spkrs? simple: load correct statefile |
| 00:42.48 | mwester_ | hipitihop: yes, but I haven't assembled a kernel for that yet. |
| 00:43.04 | Dave | doc, they were recently surged |
| 00:43.06 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: or rescue from visionaires? |
| 00:43.10 | Dave | you think they could have been fried. |
| 00:43.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
| 00:43.14 | Dave | I think, rather. |
| 00:43.19 | Dave | popped likely |
| 00:43.20 | hipitihop | mwester, thanks, so I'll stay with that for fixed 4.4.2 for now |
| 00:43.28 | Dave | but you're right, it's possible it's just that, but I don't see how. |
| 00:43.34 | Dave | statefiles are for the AUDIO right? |
| 00:43.47 | Dave | Joerg, it's playing FINE through the external audio jack. |
| 00:43.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 00:43.52 | Dave | When I unplug it, I hear nothing. |
| 00:43.56 | Dave | :( |
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| 00:44.09 | Dave | So I figured it is possible I have broken them. |
| 00:44.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | load correct state |
| 00:44.17 | Dave | which is? :D |
| 00:44.22 | Dave | an older working one? |
| 00:44.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | gsmhandset.state maybe? |
| 00:44.40 | Dave | hmm |
| 00:44.45 | Dave | isn't it alsactl -f ? |
| 00:44.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 00:45.04 | Dave | oh fuck, I need to go find a working usb bus first |
| 00:45.05 | Dave | haha |
| 00:45.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | restore |
| 00:45.14 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:46.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | can do that on FR xterm |
| 00:46.18 | Dave | annoying, but yes |
| 00:46.25 | Dave | I mean it's hardly a big deal for me |
| 00:46.43 | Dave | but I should probably look into it. |
| 00:46.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | cd, cd, cd, cd, alsactl :-D |
| 00:48.32 | tomboy64 | how do i check in fso whether gps is up and attempting to get a fix? |
| 00:49.56 | SpeedEvil | tombhadAC: I'm unsure if cat /dev/ttySAC1 will work |
| 00:50.07 | SpeedEvil | tomb: |
| 00:50.29 | SpeedEvil | koo: :/ |
| 00:50.32 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 01:48.43 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4744 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:48.43 | CIA-50 | openmoko: More cleanup and a little priority boost for the io task. |
| 01:48.43 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - moved hif-direct-interrupt.patch and hack-dont-poll-irq.patch to the attic as |
| 01:48.44 | CIA-50 | openmoko: well |
| 01:48.44 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch, last of the SPI drivers, to the attic |
| 01:48.47 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - gta02-mmc-mci.patch: since S3C MCI is now the only SDIO low-level driver, we |
| 01:48.49 | CIA-50 | openmoko: don't have to be able to select it by configuration |
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| 01:50.46 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4745 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/report: |
| 01:50.46 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - don't pass around bytes and time separate, use the rate instead |
| 01:50.46 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - print "*1000B" instead of ambiguous "kB" |
| 01:50.46 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - compute standard deviation in new function std_dev |
| 01:52.24 | slaxxin | planet wars begin |
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| 02:00.15 | hipitihop | does scp support recreating subdirectories recursively to the destination ? I'm trying to backup my /home/root/Documents from my FR |
| 02:00.24 | SpeedEvil | scp -R |
| 02:00.24 | SpeedEvil | scp -r |
| 02:00.26 | SpeedEvil | is unsure. |
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| 02:00.59 | SpeedEvil | ssh root@phone tar -cvf - /root |tar -xvf - |
| 02:00.59 | hipitihop | used -r and -p but does not create the subdirectories, just dumps files from all subdirectories |
| 02:01.01 | SpeedEvil | or similar |
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| 02:07.32 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4746 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (ar6k-without-sdio.patch series): |
| 02:07.32 | CIA-50 | openmoko: Final cosmetics. |
| 02:07.32 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - series: also remove any pre-existing target directory in the non-git |
| 02:07.33 | CIA-50 | openmoko: instructions |
| 02:07.34 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - ar6k-without-sdio.patch: make AR6k config message look less anemic |
| 02:08.49 | laen | mwester_: Would you be so kind to tell me how to get the modules on the freerunner once Qtopia is installed? |
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| 02:12.57 | slaxxin | sounds likeCIA-50 is fixing to push up another image |
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| 02:20.10 | mwester | slaxxin: just commits of Werner's work with the wifi chip stuff, probably for the 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 kernel. |
| 02:20.49 | mwester | laen: Sure -- just download the minimal module set, then scp them to your freerunner, and un-tar them while cd'd to "/" |
| 02:24.12 | slaxxin | http://markhk.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008825129102/pdtl/Multi-card/1002064868/USB-Card-Reader.htm |
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| 02:25.33 | _charly_ | nice, we've got the gsm firmware and the flashing tool :) |
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| 02:25.55 | slaxxin | go for it |
| 02:27.09 | laen | mwester: that wasn't the hard part, but my problem is getting an ssh connection (which worked with OM 2008.* releases). |
| 02:27.41 | laen | ssh: connect to host 12.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 02:27.43 | mwester | laen: the necessary modules to get the usb networking running are included. |
| 02:27.48 | mwester | in-kernel. |
| 02:28.01 | laen | Yeah the usb0 on my pc starts indeed, true there. |
| 02:28.06 | slaxxin | fast boot image was fast |
| 02:28.21 | mwester | No route to host would indicate that the port is not up, or it is not "ifconfig'd" correctly on the host. |
| 02:28.55 | laen | I didn't change anything, was ssh-ed into some OM distro's before so that worked well. |
| 02:28.56 | mwester | But did you flash the kernel, or are you still running the OM 2008 kernel? |
| 02:29.11 | laen | no flashed with your kernel |
| 02:29.25 | mwester | Ok, no change there then. |
| 02:29.40 | laen | qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-10302135.jffs2 with uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin |
| 02:29.41 | mwester | No modules are necessary to get the USB networking working. |
| 02:29.57 | laen | and the ip is still 192.168.0.202? |
| 02:30.19 | mwester | That's from the rootfs on the phone, not the kernel -- but yes, the QT x images use the same IP. |
| 02:31.00 | mwester | er, Qt X images. Or is it Qt Ex? |
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| 02:31.11 | mwester | preferred the name Qtopia. :( |
| 02:31.12 | laen | Guess i'll re-flash tomorrow and try then. Thanks so far :) |
| 02:31.26 | mwester | Ok. Good luck, it should work. |
| 02:31.43 | mwester | You did try booting it twice, right? |
| 02:40.14 | _charly_ | good night everyone :) |
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| 02:50.34 | hipitihop | mwester, what is the correct untar command for your module tgz while in root of fr ? |
| 02:52.11 | Dave | Laen :D |
| 02:53.59 | hipitihop | never mind looked up you page sorry |
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| 02:54.59 | mwester | hipitihop: cd / ; tar xzf /path/to/where/you/copied/the/tarfile |
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| 02:58.48 | Dave | Lint |
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| 02:59.40 | mwester | Use some packing tape, Dave. |
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| 03:05.34 | Isajha | mmh i got a little question: assuming i write an Application for QT Extended - could it be possible to run it under Openmoko Linux - like i.e. KDE running under GTK and vice versa? |
| 03:06.00 | Isajha | *KDE application running under GTK and vice versa |
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| 03:40.08 | slaxxin | welp on the fast boot image the green polishing rag made it 4 swipes an the desktop was up----wow |
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| 04:00.01 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03tick * r4747 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/Makefile: |
| 04:00.01 | CIA-50 | openmoko: [opkg-utils] fix install fail problem |
| 04:00.01 | CIA-50 | openmoko: Thanks for khorben's patch :-) |
| 04:00.01 | CIA-50 | openmoko: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2072/patch-opkg-utils_Makefile_install_path.diff |
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| 04:50.07 | gurugentoo | did the SHR build get updated for the changes in e by chance? |
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| 05:24.54 | Dave | guru! |
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| 05:29.40 | gurugentoo | Dave? |
| 05:29.41 | gurugentoo | hehe |
| 05:29.41 | Dave | YES |
| 05:29.41 | Dave | SHR! |
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| 05:30.25 | gurugentoo | is that an approval or a confirmation of my question? |
| 05:30.39 | Dave | Sorry, I am unaware. |
| 05:30.43 | gurugentoo | ah k |
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| 05:35.06 | Dave | Zzz |
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| 05:42.47 | Dave | Ken! |
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| 05:43.18 | KenYoung | Hi Dave, I just uploaded a new orrery version, with a spiffy Moon Calendar page. |
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| 06:08.26 | Dave | Cool! |
| 06:08.26 | Dave | :D |
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| 06:13.38 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r467ed33e613c 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): oevents: Added doc for AddRule, RemoveRule and TriggerTest |
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| 06:16.11 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4748 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/report: |
| 06:16.11 | CIA-50 | openmoko: Make the reports more useful. |
| 06:16.11 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - report: show also the CPU load of ttcp runs |
| 06:16.11 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - report: print the standard deviation of all measurements |
| 06:16.11 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - report: if given an argument, chdir to it before looking for files |
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| 06:58.59 | Sargun | I forsee more freerunner sales: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=183 |
| 06:59.06 | Sargun | God, you guys are pretty fucking awesome |
| 06:59.40 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 07:00.19 | KenYoung | Me too, I just don't think that's what the community should be spending its time on. |
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| 07:01.12 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, why the sigh? |
| 07:01.49 | Sargun | KenYoung, Does it really matter? More money for OpenMoko = working capital (sp). |
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| 07:02.52 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: because at one point it seemed like we might actually have a working phone platform before android came out. |
| 07:03.00 | Sargun | We don't? |
| 07:03.11 | SpeedEvil | Not especially. |
| 07:03.26 | madwoota | only if you consider making phone calls on a mobile phone optional |
| 07:03.28 | KenYoung | Sargun, Well, I'm wrong a lot, and people can obviously spend their free time doing whatever they want, but I can't help but think about how much the effort involved in porting ANdroid might have helped the OM distributions had those people put the effort there. |
| 07:03.39 | SpeedEvil | Point me at a distro that's got reliable calls, suspend, sms, phone, ... |
| 07:03.51 | Sargun | I care more about FR as a hardware platform |
| 07:04.17 | SpeedEvil | 'as a hardware platform' - most of those are kernel level problems. |
| 07:04.31 | SpeedEvil | Or at least some of the issues are. |
| 07:04.32 | ajuonline|zzz | i would want openmoko to allow me to use its hardware. my application that is. |
| 07:04.34 | ajuonline|zzz | :) |
| 07:04.37 | madwoota | open source is full of pointless duplications of functions ... its almost the nature of the beast |
| 07:04.40 | KenYoung | I suspect that they will come up with a buggy version of ANdroid which does not in the end produce a phone which is any more reliable than 2007.2 or 2008.8 or qtopia or any of the other not quite good enough stacks. |
| 07:05.45 | Sargun | Well, I look at it this way: by producing a kickass hardware platform we've attracted the most attention in the industry |
| 07:06.04 | Sargun | I mean, if you look at the number of slashdot postings about OM vs. XYZ phone maker |
| 07:06.07 | KenYoung | If there is not a stack for OM phones soon which is rock-solid for basic phone functions, and has decent batery life, it is had to see how the company can survive. |
| 07:06.09 | Sargun | for our size, we've got a lot more. |
| 07:06.11 | SpeedEvil | GTA02 can't actually make calls for many people due to the buzz. |
| 07:06.23 | SpeedEvil | Even if the software side is fixed. |
| 07:06.27 | Sargun | Yeah, I'll admit the hardware is pretty annoying. |
| 07:06.29 | mwester | As we've seen with Qt Extended and Qtopia, existing stacks that expect a sane GSM have a difficult time (i.e. end up hacked up horribly) in order to deal with the Calypso. FSO is more flexible because it must accomodate that horror. I am interested to see how Android deals with the eccentricities of the Calypso. |
| 07:07.03 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4749 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env: Update URLs. buildhost is not available anymore. |
| 07:07.08 | Sargun | but the fact I can take Debian + FSO and turn it into exactly what I want, using what APIs I want (C, C++, Python, Java) |
| 07:07.10 | ljp | qtextended accomodates buggy modems just fine |
| 07:07.26 | ljp | thats what vendor plugins are for :) |
| 07:07.40 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: device that suspends and powersaves properly notwithstanding |
| 07:07.56 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, yeah, we need major work, but for a 1st gen device, we're pretty fucking decent. |
| 07:07.58 | mwester | I'm tired, and it's late -- let's discuss what the calypso and the horrible AT%SLEEP workaround needs beyond the existing plugin sometime tomorrow or so. :) |
| 07:08.33 | Sargun | that's why I've I put my job on the OM. I mean, getting the boss to buy 3 of these isn't easy |
| 07:09.20 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, Also, android is a brand, Google is a brand |
| 07:11.24 | SpeedEvil | tag: measure a 9V battery on AC. |
| 07:11.26 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 07:12.11 | mwester | notes SpeedEvil is giving someone bad advice ;) |
| 07:12.21 | SpeedEvil | Actually not. |
| 07:12.35 | SpeedEvil | He's trying to work out if his meter will measure AC with DC offset |
| 07:12.52 | mwester | Hmmm... that would be a rather broken meter, IMO. |
| 07:13.08 | SpeedEvil | mwester-trip: >50% of the cheapest meters do. |
| 07:13.43 | mwester | Gack. I've never encountered such a thing, but perhaps standards have changed over the years I've been away from hardware. |
| 07:14.28 | mwester | How can one measure something as simple as audio signal levels on anything other than transformer-isolated lines? |
| 07:14.33 | mwester | Anyway... |
| 07:17.07 | SpeedEvil | A) It's a meter, and it was $10, and it reads mains frequency sine waves and DC accurately. |
| 07:17.12 | Shlee | so, the hardware buzz isn't fixable in hardware? my OM is effected. |
| 07:17.14 | SpeedEvil | B) anything else is a crapshoot |
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| 07:17.41 | Shlee | second hardware=software |
| 07:18.33 | SpeedEvil | As far as I know no. But I haven't really been keeping up. There is also no easy hardware mod. |
| 07:18.56 | cjb_ie | GSM noise in the audio? |
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| 07:31.55 | Kronk | Hi all :) |
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| 07:34.32 | Kronk | Is there an "easy" way to install terminal app to qtopia 4.4.2 or @ least an icon if it's there ? |
| 07:34.45 | Kronk | soz QTextended 4.4.2 |
| 07:34.47 | Kronk | ? |
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| 07:41.50 | Kronk | *cough* ? Anyone awake ? ;) |
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| 07:49.53 | Kronk | Maybe not ? |
| 07:49.55 | Kronk | :P |
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| 08:27.31 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4750 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/playback.c: |
| 08:27.31 | CIA-50 | openmoko: Use alsasink instead of pulseaudio, for #1614, #1831. Patch written |
| 08:27.31 | CIA-50 | openmoko: by hedora. |
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| 08:35.48 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rb25c3e296726 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-mediaplayer2: remove pulseaudio, use alsa instead. |
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| 08:37.48 | methril | morning |
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| 08:40.26 | frank0 | mornin |
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| 08:42.44 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:47.06 | ozzloy | when i plug in my openmoko, ubuntu tries to use it as a net connection. how do i stop this? |
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| 08:56.53 | lindi- | ozzloy: but it does appear as usb net device |
| 08:57.40 | ozzloy | lindi-: i don't want my computer to try to use it as one automatically though |
| 08:58.04 | lindi- | ozzloy: why not? |
| 08:58.34 | ozzloy | because i just want to charge the phone. also the phone doesn't have a net connection |
| 08:58.45 | ozzloy | and the laptop is within range of wireless anyways |
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| 08:59.13 | ozzloy | i tried #ubuntu, but i'm not getting much help |
| 08:59.28 | lindi- | ozzloy: ah so you are talking about changing default route |
| 08:59.42 | lindi- | ozzloy: of course you want to route packets to wlan and not to usb0 |
| 09:00.18 | ozzloy | sure |
| 09:00.26 | cjb_ie | wonders if wlan is using a similar 192.168.x.x and that's what's upsetting things |
| 09:00.48 | ozzloy | can you help me do that? |
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| 09:01.11 | lindi- | i have no experience in networkmanager |
| 09:01.45 | ozzloy | k |
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| 09:02.00 | ozzloy | well i'm off to bed, will try to deal with this tomorrow |
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| 09:02.36 | ozzloy | thanks anyways lindi- |
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| 10:06.44 | Kred_ | Does someone happen to know why with 2008.9 usb networking with Linux doesn't work anymore for me? Should I go back to .8 or something? |
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| 10:09.59 | laen | Yay, qtextended with mwester_ his kernel, does not boot anymore >_< |
| 10:11.36 | microtechno_ | anyone here from the land of australia..? |
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| 10:14.04 | Kred_ | ach, fixed the network problem with kernel update |
| 10:14.51 | Shlee | microtechno_: Yes. why? |
| 10:15.21 | microtechno_ | wondering if anyone knows anything more about the isp firewall that the gov wants to introduce |
| 10:15.27 | Shlee | laen: The QT 4.4.2 release comes with a recent testing release |
| 10:15.33 | microtechno_ | not the place i suppose to talk about it but just wondering |
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| 10:18.37 | Kred_ | microtechno_: no more unlicensed pr0n I'm affraid :( |
| 10:19.05 | Daramarak | Hi I am using putty from my win machine at work, but when I log into the FR i can only ping 192.168.0.202 anyone who can offer any suggestions? |
| 10:19.07 | microtechno_ | dont have any of that... |
| 10:19.40 | laen | Shlee: what does that mean? |
| 10:19.50 | lindi- | Daramarak: route -n? |
| 10:19.53 | Kred_ | microtechno_: well then you have nothing to worry about. All is good >:) |
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| 10:21.09 | Daramarak | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 10:21.09 | Daramarak | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 10:21.09 | Daramarak | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 10:21.12 | Daramarak | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.49 | microtechno_ | just wondering because i hear that it is going to make our internet(s) even slower.. than they are... and aust isnt that fast in comparison to the rest of the world.. |
| 10:22.10 | lindi- | Daramarak: then ping 192.168.0.200 should work? |
| 10:24.09 | Daramarak | lindi-: yes it should, but it does not. |
| 10:24.28 | lindi- | Daramarak: tcpdump on both sides please |
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| 10:25.11 | Shlee | microtechno_: I've got an answer for you.. TOR |
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| 10:25.19 | Shlee | or a VPN.. or a proxy... |
| 10:25.32 | Daramarak | lindi-:tcpdump from a windows box? |
| 10:25.39 | lindi- | Daramarak: you have windows on your desktop too? |
| 10:25.41 | microtechno_ | mm.. that will be something that i am going to have to do |
| 10:25.56 | Shlee | This great firewall of Australia.. I'm fairly sure it is going to pass.. but it won't work, so they will remove it soon enough |
| 10:26.00 | microtechno_ | anyone know when there is another order of the FR coming into aust |
| 10:26.05 | Weiss | Daramarak: "only" as in the rest of your networking is broken from your windows machine? |
| 10:26.10 | Kred_ | microtechno_: I have no details of the project you are talking about, but I would imagine one reason for slow connection is the amount of data going through the cables you have there. To make things faster I suppose there should be a new cable installed to the mainland |
| 10:26.32 | Shlee | microtechno_: The internet is like a series of tubes |
| 10:26.42 | Shlee | It's not a dump truck |
| 10:26.46 | microtechno_ | i know how it works.. done cnna |
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| 10:27.20 | microtechno_ | the filter will slow the traffic though.. thats what the gov relese said that i read.. just wondering what others had heard |
| 10:27.22 | Daramarak | I have full access to everything from my win machine, but the FR do not seem to see anything outside itself. (Although it is communicating with the win matchine through ssh) |
| 10:27.31 | Shlee | well.. the proxy is a whitelist/blacklist and they are going to filter ip addresses only with no deep packet inspection |
| 10:27.52 | Weiss | Daramarak: sounds like your windows machine hasn't been set up to forward packets to the internet from your FR.. (?) |
| 10:28.45 | Kred_ | microtechno_: please visit Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) for more information http://www.efa.org.au/ |
| 10:28.46 | Daramarak | Weiss: does that explain why it cannot ping the gateway? |
| 10:29.00 | microtechno_ | thats faster that what i thought they where doing.. thought that it was going to be packet based filtering.. also heard a rumor that some ssl traffic would be blocked to stop vpn passthrough |
| 10:29.09 | microtechno_ | thanks i shall have a look |
| 10:29.23 | microtechno_ | sorry to change the topic :) |
| 10:30.00 | Kred_ | About Australian Internet filter http://nocleanfeed.com/ (made by EFA) |
| 10:30.34 | microtechno_ | thats what i have been reading.. thanks |
| 10:30.44 | Weiss | Daramarak: muppet check: 200 is the windows end, 202 is the FR end? perhaps you told Windows to do some firewalling or otherwise not to respond to pings? |
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| 10:32.53 | Kred_ | microtechno_: I doubt you'll (as a nation) will be able to block the sensorship. They'll ram it through and then people forget it. The best thing IMHO is, that you start to run TOR node and support EFA and remind others about it. |
| 10:33.23 | microtechno_ | whats TOR..? |
| 10:35.08 | microtechno_ | ahh onion.. routing.. nice |
| 10:35.21 | Kred_ | microtechno_: http://www.torproject.org/ right you found it :) |
| 10:35.35 | microtechno_ | thanks |
| 10:35.36 | laen | Shlee: i guess you were saying, that the testing release doesn't mean it stable, right? |
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| 10:36.00 | Kred_ | It's definetly not an answer, but it will defeat the prupose of sensorhip and tracking, to some extent atleast |
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| 10:36.22 | lindi- | Kred_: obfuscated tcp sounds bit better |
| 10:36.48 | lindi- | Kred_: since tor won't help you with sites where you have to authenticate yourself |
| 10:37.26 | Shlee | obtcp is great... once they get the patches included in apache/firefox by default ;) |
| 10:37.53 | lindi- | Shlee: it's an apache modules so it does not need to be in official apache |
| 10:38.03 | Daramarak | Weiss: 202 is the FR end, and 200 is the win end, and I turned off the firewall to test the connection. No luck. |
| 10:38.04 | lindi- | s/modules/module/ |
| 10:38.10 | Shlee | nods |
| 10:38.43 | Kred_ | lindi-: sure. By tracking I meant government tracking with systems such as recording visited urls. It's by no means a tool to protect from Google for example |
| 10:39.11 | lindi- | Kred_: but government surely can cooperate with google |
| 10:40.28 | Shlee | 2009 is the year of encyption ;) |
| 10:40.38 | Kred_ | lindi-: for sure |
| 10:40.41 | Daramarak | Weiss: Thanks, after re checking I found that my corporations virusprotection also has some sort of firewall, now it works. |
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| 10:45.03 | laen | I guess Shlee has me on ignore. |
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| 10:50.35 | Kred_ | What should I do, when opkg install dies to error 4? |
| 10:50.50 | Kred_ | I tried killall packagekitd |
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| 10:53.30 | laen | Kred_: tried doing it via ssh? |
| 10:53.49 | laen | Ah, guess that was through ssh. |
| 10:55.07 | Shlee | laen: I didn't think they had a working module.. that's good news for me |
| 10:55.46 | Shlee | I'll test it out later, sucks the Firefox code changes are too low level to a mod |
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| 10:55.47 | laen | Oo. |
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| 10:56.49 | Weiss | Daramarak: great |
| 10:58.27 | Kred_ | laen: yes :) |
| 10:58.59 | Kred_ | Also, is it normal that opkg update gives bunch of failed to download errors? |
| 10:59.14 | Kred_ | The files that it claims to have trouble with are available |
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| 11:01.07 | laen | Kred_: Yes, those are.. if i remember correctly, the checksums.. and the openmoko servers don't have those. |
| 11:01.25 | laen | So, it doesn't really matter too much, it still updates, just doesn't verify. |
| 11:02.40 | Kred_ | It does say failed to download for file Packages.gz.. aah crap |
| 11:02.51 | Kred_ | Of course routing isn't working :I |
| 11:02.55 | transylvania | Does anyone knows how to set micro and speaker volume with qtextended 4.4.2 ? the call options seems to have no effects |
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| 11:03.17 | transylvania | (sound too loud during a call with a huge echo) |
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| 11:06.13 | Kred_ | laen: now it works. I forgot to set resolv.conf |
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| 11:13.01 | laen | Kred_: ah yes, happens to me a lot too :) |
| 11:16.26 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r317 10/trunk/python-elementary/Makefile: Fix Makefile |
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| 11:24.40 | laen | Since openmoko puts a daily kernel and rootfs in the dailly/ dir nowadays, isn't there a changelog on what changed from version to version? |
| 11:25.01 | Shlee | Check the git for stable-moko |
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| 11:38.12 | WhiteSnipe | hi, i want to run om in emulation mode |
| 11:38.19 | WhiteSnipe | trying to run qemu on ubuntu |
| 11:38.29 | WhiteSnipe | following instructions from the developer's quide |
| 11:38.34 | WhiteSnipe | i downloaded moko make file |
| 11:38.37 | WhiteSnipe | make qemu |
| 11:38.40 | WhiteSnipe | make qemu-run |
| 11:38.45 | WhiteSnipe | i get the u-boot menu |
| 11:39.37 | kd8ikt | press space bar or enter |
| 11:39.54 | WhiteSnipe | but when i enter the option "Boot" |
| 11:39.56 | WhiteSnipe | nothing happens |
| 11:39.59 | WhiteSnipe | it does not boot |
| 11:40.09 | WhiteSnipe | and comes back to the boot menu (showing four options) |
| 11:40.42 | lloyd_fedora | E: Internal error: install .. during debian install approx 10mins into the install .. is this a problem with the card (4gb SDHC) |
| 11:40.53 | Kred_ | Does someone happen to know how to open doors in doom |
| 11:40.54 | Hiretto | you need to press the space bar |
| 11:40.57 | WhiteSnipe | yes |
| 11:41.00 | WhiteSnipe | when i press space bar |
| 11:41.03 | WhiteSnipe | booting starts |
| 11:41.18 | WhiteSnipe | i see a few message on the shell (where i run make run-qemu) |
| 11:41.21 | lindi- | lloyd_fedora: i can only ask you to google for "E: Internal error: install" |
| 11:41.23 | WhiteSnipe | but then it stops |
| 11:41.31 | WhiteSnipe | and the gui comes back to the old boot menu |
| 11:41.44 | WhiteSnipe | _HIRETTO- |
| 11:41.47 | WhiteSnipe | when i press space bar |
| 11:41.50 | WhiteSnipe | boot starts |
| 11:41.58 | WhiteSnipe | but soon comes back to the boot menu again |
| 11:42.05 | Hiretto | strange |
| 11:42.21 | WhiteSnipe | after i see "neo_bl_switch: LCD Backlight now on" on the shell |
| 11:42.31 | WhiteSnipe | may be i am missing some thing |
| 11:43.08 | Hiretto | i think it too |
| 11:43.20 | Hiretto | but i do't know sorry :( |
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| 11:43.56 | WhiteSnipe | ok |
| 11:45.35 | Kred_ | hmm.. annoying. I can't open doors in doom with FR! >:( |
| 11:45.55 | WhiteSnipe | :( |
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| 11:48.25 | Kred_ | grr |
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| 11:50.40 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r4a472085b8fc 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): opimd: initial import |
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| 11:55.58 | laen | Kred_: wonder how you do it. I installed Duke3d and at third try it didn't crash at start, but crashed after 20 seconds. |
| 11:57.05 | laen | Kred_: what distro are you running? |
| 11:57.15 | Kred_ | laen: 2008.9 fresh install |
| 11:57.21 | Kred_ | With updates |
| 11:57.34 | laen | Mmm. |
| 11:57.41 | Kred_ | I don't know Duke works any better. In my previous tests the sound was awful |
| 11:57.45 | Kred_ | In duke, that is |
| 11:57.59 | laen | Yeah, thats scary indeed. |
| 11:58.19 | Kred_ | But its menus were usable. However later on, after updates something broke and duke froze on start |
| 11:58.46 | laen | Whole freerunner froze right? |
| 11:59.25 | Kred_ | No just duke. However Xglamo didn't resize back to original size |
| 11:59.31 | Kred_ | I had to reboot the whole system |
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| 11:59.56 | laen | Mmm. Ik heep having the freerunner Freeze up. You got OM 2008.9 installed on the MicroSD? |
| 12:00.53 | laen | And Kred_ running the 2008.9 kernel too? |
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| 12:01.46 | Kred_ | laen: both 2008.9 are in use and in main memory or whatever it's called |
| 12:02.05 | Kred_ | There's two versions of duke I see |
| 12:02.16 | laen | Weird. Then why do i seem to be the only one getting complete freezes. |
| 12:02.17 | Kred_ | Rafa's and Charles-Henri's.. |
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| 12:02.43 | laen | I'm started to get the feeling i spend 300 euro on a hardware faulty device. |
| 12:03.32 | Kred_ | laen: I'm now in the process of installing Rafa's duke. I'll tell you what happens with it |
| 12:04.14 | Kred_ | laen: have you tried Doom yet? |
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| 12:17.40 | Kred_ | laen: well it does start, but the sounds are just horrible |
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| 12:29.08 | Kred_ | laen: the another version by Charles-Henri is a bit better, but has no sound enabled and crashes |
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| 12:47.49 | laen | Kred_: Since i have a feeling that i'm really having hardware problems on the freerunner, i guess i'm just gonna film everything i do with a webcam, in a quality where you can see stuff quite good, and put em online.. see if others get the same. |
| 12:50.05 | Kred_ | :) |
| 12:50.54 | laen | I just hope it isn't so. I mean, damn, you can't even return those things :P |
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| 12:52.37 | laen | Anyway, gotta wait till tonight, stuck with a qtextended rootfs which seems borked :) |
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| 12:54.23 | Kred_ | :I |
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| 13:16.42 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r318 10/trunk/python-elementary/elementary/elementary.pyx: switch to evas.c_evas.SmartObject as base class |
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| 13:31.08 | jonkristian | Damn it, i can't turn on my fr |
| 13:31.29 | jonkristian | Just shut it down, so it shouldn't be related to battery |
| 13:31.52 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rad3e959215e2 10/illume/illume-config/e.src: |
| 13:31.52 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: illume-config: Bump config version. |
| 13:31.52 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: One version behind upstream. The newest version requires a newer code base. |
| 13:31.52 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: With this version we can go back to the real values for gadget size. |
| 13:31.53 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rdbd25062240e 10/illume/illume-config/module.illume.src: illume-config: Change gadget size back after version bump |
| 13:31.56 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rcb7aa9779f1d 10/illume/illume/freerunner.edc: illume-theme: correct key for filemanager |
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| 13:34.12 | sakkara | jonkristian: take out the battery a few seconds and then try again |
| 13:34.34 | jonkristian | i did it the second time, and it worked |
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| 13:37.33 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r7b23cbd2e94c 10/illume/illume-config/module.illume.src: illume-config: Back to 42 as gadget size, as we had before |
| 13:38.49 | Daramarak | jonkristian: must have been a great relief when it worked |
| 13:39.54 | jonkristian | Yeah, i panic'ed there for a second |
| 13:40.29 | Zorkman | jonkristian: don't worry about it, everybody has had that at least once :) |
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| 13:40.45 | Zorkman | you're really gonna freak out when it doesn't work when you have removed the battery :) |
| 13:40.56 | Zorkman | but you probably have an A6 so it won't be a problem |
| 13:40.59 | jonkristian | That's what happened |
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| 13:50.46 | jonkristian | Finally something to read |
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| 14:12.23 | kd8ikt | oh great the debian installer nuked my moko |
| 14:17.45 | jOERG_zzZZzz | hey guys, seems we just killed #666 :-) |
| 14:18.59 | Zorkman | ??? |
| 14:19.03 | toggles_w | you killed the devil? |
| 14:19.08 | Zorkman | wiwn great work jOERG_zzZZzz! |
| 14:20.29 | jOERG_zzZZzz | well, moko10-beta2 seems to read all SIMs whereas MOKO8 isn't |
| 14:21.14 | Zorkman | very nicely done |
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| 14:21.49 | Fougner | hello =) |
| 14:21.50 | Zorkman | this seems to me as very big news |
| 14:22.05 | Zorkman | gonna notify my friend right away (he was a victin om the devil :)) |
| 14:22.09 | Zorkman | llo fougner |
| 14:22.19 | jOERG_zzZZzz | well I told you for days we're working on FW right now ;-) |
| 14:22.56 | Fougner | I Just received my Neo Freerunner today, and I think I want the 2008.8 build.. |
| 14:22.56 | Zorkman | moko10 beta2 is the name of the firmware? |
| 14:23.28 | jOERG_zzZZzz | Zorkman: yup, will publish in a few days I'd say |
| 14:23.46 | Zorkman | thanks jOERG_zzZZzz!! |
| 14:23.47 | Fougner | I'd be happy if someone could explain upon request, so I don't fail :) |
| 14:24.00 | Zorkman | Fougner: explain what? |
| 14:24.25 | toggles_w | jOERG_zzZZzz: good job mate! |
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| 14:25.34 | kd8ikt | crap how am i going to fix my uboot env |
| 14:25.52 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: by reflashing it :) |
| 14:26.06 | kd8ikt | that wont fix the uboot env last i checked |
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| 14:26.19 | kd8ikt | uboot variables like bootargs |
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| 14:27.56 | Fougner | Zorkman, for example, Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2, is that rootfs and kernel? |
| 14:28.08 | Zorkman | Fougner: that is rootfs |
| 14:28.13 | Fougner | hehe, logical |
| 14:28.19 | Zorkman | jffs2 format can be flashed with dfu-util |
| 14:28.29 | Fougner | I'm using NeoTool |
| 14:28.33 | Fougner | GUI |
| 14:29.06 | Fougner | so that should work, when I choose "Flash rootfs" ? |
| 14:29.10 | Zorkman | jup |
| 14:29.18 | Zorkman | after you flashed rootfs, best to also flash to a new kernel, |
| 14:29.29 | Zorkman | and while you're at it, flash your u-boot also |
| 14:29.33 | Fougner | where do I find one? :) |
| 14:29.59 | Fougner | Zorkman, where do I find one? |
| 14:30.06 | Zorkman | Fougner: downloads.openmoko.org |
| 14:30.35 | Zorkman | everything that looks like *****uImage.bin is a kernel |
| 14:30.44 | Zorkman | like for example http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing-om-gta02-20081103.uImage.bin |
| 14:30.58 | Zorkman | whereas http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin is a u-boot |
| 14:32.14 | Fougner | thanks for sorting things out! |
| 14:34.39 | Zorkman | np Fougner, everybody has to start somewhere |
| 14:35.42 | Fougner | Zorkman, true, I'm in the bootmenu now, and started flashing.. the Neo display : "Starting DFU DOWNLOAD to partition 'rootfs' |
| 14:36.01 | bumbl | DocScrutinizer: when could we expect a new stable gsm firmware? - I'm looking forward to qi too |
| 14:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | we just found we *maybe* fixed a bug in GSM-FW just 1h ago. We will do decent internal tests to verify the FW isn't bricking your device, and actually does some improvements |
| 14:38.47 | Dave | Joerg! |
| 14:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | then we'll publish to customers |
| 14:39.14 | mjr | whee |
| 14:39.21 | Dave | Horray! |
| 14:39.31 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: can you reveal how the firmware is built? ;) |
| 14:39.33 | bumbl | ah ok |
| 14:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: by use of some nasty TI windows tools ;-) |
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| 14:40.09 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: ie. do you have full source or do you just link against some library |
| 14:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | we don't have full src, we do reverse engineering :-D |
| 14:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | inside the broken libs we link against |
| 14:41.22 | mjr | fuckin'a |
| 14:41.42 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: rright. but you at least were able to add your own hardware identification name (whatever it was called)? |
| 14:42.19 | Dave | :D |
| 14:42.42 | Dave | Joerg, you're naughty :p |
| 14:43.03 | Fougner | Zorkman, for how long should it be flashing? |
| 14:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | Fougner: 15min? |
| 14:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | Fougner: you have a progress bar |
| 14:44.55 | Fougner | uhm, ignore previous post :) I didn't see the progressbar on my computer's bash |
| 14:46.09 | Fougner | is it recommended to use the 2008.8.uImage with the 2008.8.rootfs? =) |
| 14:46.44 | kd8ikt | anyone know how i go about flashing a default u-boot_env |
| 14:46.55 | kd8ikt | cause like i have no backups |
| 14:46.58 | Zorkman | Fougner: there is also 2008.9 if you didn't know: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ |
| 14:47.30 | Fougner | Zorkman, okay, could I use the 2008.9 kernel with the 2008.8 fs? |
| 14:47.45 | Zorkman | I think so |
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| 14:48.01 | Fougner | or else I just have to reflash ? =) |
| 14:48.40 | Zorkman | reflashin a kernel is very fast |
| 14:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: we have *some* sources |
| 14:50.11 | Fougner | Zorkman, the splash, why should I flash it? :) |
| 14:50.18 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: ok |
| 14:50.35 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: they don't happen to mention CBHZ anywhere? ;)) |
| 14:50.49 | Fougner | oh and btw, where do I find an u-boot image? |
| 14:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly this one just was a lib-fix done by TI that accidentally got reverted for MOKO8 and probably MOKO9 |
| 14:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: CBHZ? |
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| 14:54.29 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: trac.freesmartphone.org is bit slow but the bug is that AT+CBHZ=1 causes horrible voice quality |
| 14:54.35 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/151 |
| 14:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm :-/ a strange one. |
| 14:55.13 | lindi- | very strange |
| 14:55.25 | lindi- | it should not have _anything_ to do with voice quality |
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| 14:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, calypso is kinda nasty |
| 14:56.24 | kd8ikt | whew that was a close one |
| 14:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | yesterday mickey found +CLIR is mux channel specific |
| 14:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | also a brain-damaged one |
| 14:56.43 | kd8ikt | not a big fan of u-boot |
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| 14:57.20 | Zorkman | Fougner: you don't have to flash the splash |
| 14:57.24 | Zorkman | it's only a cosmetic change |
| 14:57.38 | kd8ikt | i need to make my own |
| 14:57.45 | Fougner | Zorkman, yeah, I thought so, but I did.. woho, got boots in my bootsplash now =D |
| 14:58.12 | Fougner | wow, this.. is.. cool... |
| 14:58.37 | Zorkman | Fougner: the boots are froml 2008.8, not from flashing the splash |
| 14:58.55 | Fougner | aha. |
| 14:58.56 | Zorkman | the splash you flashed just displays "openmoko" when you boot |
| 14:59.06 | Fougner | no it doesn't ^^ |
| 14:59.13 | Zorkman | yes it does :P |
| 14:59.23 | Fougner | but I can't see :O |
| 14:59.37 | Zorkman | Fougner you can see it while u-boot is loading |
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| 14:59.51 | Zorkman | the first few seconds after the FR powers up |
| 14:59.58 | Fougner | ah, well, have to look closer next boot |
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| 15:00.11 | Fougner | but how can I get my old "loading-screen" back? |
| 15:00.30 | Fougner | that one with the progressba |
| 15:00.31 | Fougner | bar* |
| 15:00.56 | Zorkman | Fougner: re-flash 2007.2 :) |
| 15:00.56 | Fougner | hmm, how do I unlock the screen? :o |
| 15:01.02 | Fougner | Zorkman, no way! |
| 15:01.03 | Fougner | :D |
| 15:01.13 | Zorkman | unlock: hit auw |
| 15:01.16 | Zorkman | *aux |
| 15:01.37 | Fougner | nothing happens =( |
| 15:01.59 | Zorkman | if it is locked; a big bar with LOCKED on it will be displayed |
| 15:02.33 | Fougner | well, the screen was black.. |
| 15:02.50 | Fougner | but I pressed the powerbutton and something happened =) |
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| 15:03.55 | Fougner | the aux-button is red :O |
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| 15:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | so FR is charging, nothing to worry ;-) |
| 15:06.14 | Fougner | ah. hehe |
| 15:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | tries another time to get away of terminal. CU |
| 15:06.53 | Fougner | I read the getting started before, but some things I just won't learn |
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| 15:08.25 | Zorkman | Fougner: when the screen is black it is because the FR is suspended |
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| 15:08.37 | Zorkman | you can change the settings if you don't want him to suspend |
| 15:08.40 | Fougner | Zorkman, aha, powersaving mode =D |
| 15:08.51 | Fougner | Zorkman, how do I get wifi on? =/ |
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| 15:09.14 | Fougner | seems it couldn't be activated in the menu |
| 15:09.22 | Zorkman | Fougner: that is a bit tricky, it mostly one works with some help of the terminal... |
| 15:09.28 | Zorkman | if you used the menu |
| 15:09.33 | Fougner | I just want to update the phone =D |
| 15:09.54 | Zorkman | you can try to udhcpc eth0 |
| 15:12.08 | Zorkman | (over ssh or on the terminal) |
| 15:12.08 | Fougner | I have the FR connected to my computer.. can I get "internet" through here? |
| 15:12.16 | Zorkman | yes, i will give you a link |
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| 15:12.17 | Zorkman | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 15:12.17 | Zorkman | and for the wifi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi |
| 15:12.17 | Zorkman | but usb networking works |
| 15:12.18 | Zorkman | (wifi is a bit.... strange.. sometimes :)) |
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| 15:13.01 | bumbl | wow |
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| 15:13.04 | Fougner | Zorkman, haha, okay, but, where's my terminal in the 2008.8? :O |
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| 15:13.57 | Zorkman | Fougner: if there is not one on the homescreen, you will have to install one |
| 15:14.06 | Zorkman | i would recommend openmoko-terminal2 |
| 15:14.22 | Fougner | okay, first, I need to setup network :) thanks for everything |
| 15:14.46 | Zorkman | get usb networking going, and then when ssh'd into the phone do opkg update && opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
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| 15:14.51 | Zorkman | np |
| 15:14.52 | frank0 | approx how long will it be for gta04 to be released? :P |
| 15:14.56 | Zorkman | long |
| 15:15.22 | frank0 | i want camera and 3g |
| 15:15.23 | frank0 | :| |
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| 15:17.17 | laen | The gta04? :P |
| 15:17.23 | joerg_42 | lol |
| 15:17.31 | laen | Lets first give them loads of time to release the gta03 heh. |
| 15:17.48 | joerg_42 | heh |
| 15:18.28 | joerg_42 | give me a fab!! ;-) |
| 15:18.40 | frank0 | i wanna create HW for gta04 |
| 15:18.54 | joerg_42 | a DECENT fab |
| 15:19.30 | Fougner | how can I ssh into the phone? :O |
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| 15:19.37 | joerg_42 | lol, C8* want to create gta04 hw :-D |
| 15:19.37 | frank0 | Fougner: set up sshd |
| 15:19.38 | laen | Camera.. whats next. Portable microwave, videocamera, flashlight, integrated bank chip functionality, remote car control.. |
| 15:19.58 | frank0 | laen: that would be cool |
| 15:20.04 | joerg_42 | *I* |
| 15:20.11 | frank0 | i got all that on my 5yr old nokia |
| 15:20.20 | laen | Ah not to forget, HDTV, a Blu-ray and DVD reader and recorder.. |
| 15:20.38 | laen | Subwoofer. |
| 15:20.44 | laen | 5.1 sound |
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| 15:21.45 | joerg_42 | laen: we didn't consider the microwave yet :-) |
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| 15:22.15 | joerg_42 | DVD depends on ME and ID |
| 15:22.27 | laen | I mean, come on.. it's not about stuffing as much as possible into a phone.. it's a phone, it's about mobile stuff, phone is mobility, GPS comes naturally as you're on the way, as is wifi if you're walking around the house. And a linux platform to run it all, the extra you get from the linux OS is just cool. |
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| 15:23.15 | joerg_42 | yeah as does G-meter, multitouch... |
| 15:24.04 | joerg_42 | we're not even sure if it's a phone at all :-D |
| 15:24.42 | joerg_42 | maybe gta04 will be a microwave oven |
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| 15:25.35 | Zorkman | joerg_42: if that microwave is as buggy as the FR.... it will be a weapon of mass distruction :D |
| 15:25.56 | joerg_42 | that's the plan :-D |
| 15:26.04 | Zorkman | (don't get me wrong, i love my Fr, but I wouldn't control a 1kW device with it :D) |
| 15:26.29 | Zorkman | speaking of, my microwave oven melted |
| 15:26.33 | Zorkman | gonna try repairing it |
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| 15:26.43 | laen | Multitouch is human interfacing. |
| 15:26.54 | laen | G-Meter/Movement detector jumps in on that. |
| 15:27.32 | frank0 | what is the g-mter good for? |
| 15:27.35 | joerg_42 | as does gyro, compass, barometer... |
| 15:27.37 | frank0 | what can it be used for? |
| 15:27.50 | joerg_42 | frank0: gesture |
| 15:27.56 | frank0 | gesture? |
| 15:27.59 | laen | Well Compass ok, barometer is a bit weird. |
| 15:28.01 | joerg_42 | wii |
| 15:28.13 | Zorkman | barometer can be used as an altitude meter, no? |
| 15:28.20 | Zorkman | but i think it would be overkill |
| 15:28.22 | joerg_42 | yup |
| 15:28.44 | bumbl | frank0: I want to be a millionare |
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| 15:28.54 | Zorkman | I personally would not have a very big use for it; more stuff is always cool, but they can conflict in so many ways... |
| 15:29.26 | joerg_42 | no chance for overkill with a softair gun ;-) baro is ~30ct |
| 15:29.36 | bumbl | [16:15:22] <frank0> i want camera and 3g <-was to this one |
| 15:29.50 | Dave | laen :D |
| 15:29.53 | Dave | Zorkman :D |
| 15:30.08 | frank0 | bumbl: then you gotta work hard or win the lottery |
| 15:30.10 | Dave | hoe gaat het met iedereen :] |
| 15:30.22 | Zorkman | muy bien Davidov |
| 15:30.29 | dolf1074 | vree goe ;) |
| 15:30.43 | Zorkman | wow dolf is a belgian also |
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| 15:30.46 | Zorkman | didn't even know that |
| 15:30.52 | Zorkman | dolf1074 where are you from? |
| 15:30.57 | dolf1074 | brugge |
| 15:31.02 | Dave | :D |
| 15:31.03 | Zorkman | and have you killed already anybody by acccident with your Fr? |
| 15:31.10 | joerg_42 | Zorkman: baro is great for avionics |
| 15:31.20 | dolf1074 | not accidentally ;p |
| 15:31.22 | laen | Wtb a new FR. |
| 15:31.31 | Dave | Joerg, especially when flying with freerunner :D |
| 15:31.34 | Zorkman | joerg_42: so is a searchlight and an emergency beacon and a radar :) |
| 15:32.03 | Zorkman | no I think joerg_42 means a lot of people throw their FR out of the window, that kind of avionics :) |
| 15:32.03 | joerg_42 | we consider gnuradio :-) |
| 15:32.10 | Zorkman | that would be cool! |
| 15:32.26 | Zorkman | thought there would be some problems with regulations |
| 15:32.38 | joerg_42 | tho radar is hard even with gnuradio |
| 15:32.57 | Dave | heh |
| 15:33.07 | Dave | I'm tracking the smugglers with open source! |
| 15:33.53 | joerg_42 | (avionics) think of paragliding |
| 15:36.34 | joerg_42 | could even get thermic info from others via wlan or gprs |
| 15:36.34 | Zorkman | infrared could be cool if they really start using massive rfid tags |
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| 15:36.58 | joerg_42 | ir is top ten |
| 15:36.59 | kd8ikt | especially for its universal remonster capabilities |
| 15:36.59 | joerg_42 | tho don't see rfid connection |
| 15:36.59 | kd8ikt | yeah wtf does IR have to do with rfid |
| 15:36.59 | Zorkman | is it already decided that there will be a camera? |
| 15:36.59 | kd8ikt | *hint nothing |
| 15:36.59 | laen | Hell i'd buy a second FR which has the GPS hardware fix and is fully functional (so, only going cause the user is fed up with the flashing and stuff) |
| 15:36.59 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: yes |
| 15:37.02 | joerg_42 | yup |
| 15:37.06 | joerg_42 | way of |
| 15:37.17 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: i'm also repairing my mw-oven, so sometimes i "talk shit"; I mean infrared would be cool and gnu radio also can do rfid i think |
| 15:37.18 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: though I don't know about the megapixelish. |
| 15:37.32 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: gnu radio is a lie! |
| 15:37.38 | joerg_42 | as in OM future always is speculative |
| 15:37.40 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: at least for low power low cost things. |
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| 15:37.59 | Zorkman | because it takes up too much processing power? |
| 15:38.06 | joerg_42 | SpeedEvil: probably true |
| 15:38.06 | dario__ | is there any news about mwester kernel? |
| 15:38.06 | SpeedEvil | Basically. |
| 15:38.32 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: Actual hardware radios can use from 2-8 orders of magnitude less power or so. |
| 15:38.39 | Zorkman | one day when 90% of the people will have gone crazy an bought a gtaX it will form the most powerfull supercomputer :) |
| 15:40.07 | kd8ikt | my friend has one of those HTC's with a camera that can decode those square barcodes |
| 15:40.16 | joerg_42 | SpeedEvil: we would need dedicated fpga or sth |
| 15:40.18 | kd8ikt | cant say i was much impressed |
| 15:40.39 | kd8ikt | cause all the images seem to carry most of the time are urls |
| 15:41.22 | SpeedEvil | joerg_42: not 100% true - I'm doing software GPS on a much smaller device - but probably practically true in most cases. |
| 15:42.27 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: there are _huge_ applications for a camera - other than taking piccys of drunk people. |
| 15:42.37 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: of course, this relies on software. |
| 15:42.58 | kd8ikt | QRcodes |
| 15:43.42 | kd8ikt | 2,953 bytes <of binary data> or 4,296 characters alpha numeric |
| 15:43.47 | kd8ikt | so wikipedia tells me |
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| 15:44.45 | Zorkman | or take pictures of the guy who stole your FR :) |
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| 15:46.46 | kd8ikt | i suddenly want to try to make a QR code trojan |
| 15:47.07 | Dave | :D |
| 15:47.11 | Wonka | with a buffer overflow, or how? |
| 15:47.21 | Zorkman | i hope the Fr kills trojans as good as it does with good code :) |
| 15:47.28 | jonkristian | lol |
| 15:48.02 | laen | Ah man, someone tell me i'm not the only one with FR freezes. Come on, make meh day better. |
| 15:48.18 | jonkristian | laen: what freezes? |
| 15:48.36 | Zorkman | lean: not today, but there have been other days :) |
| 15:49.12 | Wonka | mine didn't react on touch tomorrow morning - left it with running debian and connected to charger one or two days ago |
| 15:49.20 | laen | Well, freezes so you gotta remove the batt. Cause the kernel pacnicked in the background or an app crashed etc.. |
| 15:49.23 | Wonka | argh, today in the morning |
| 15:49.26 | Wonka | not tomorrow |
| 15:49.43 | laen | Wonka: you had to remove the batt too? |
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| 15:50.03 | Wonka | laen: didn't have time to look into it further |
| 15:50.26 | Wonka | laen: but it should not freeze just from lying around for about 36h, nor? |
| 15:50.32 | laen | Zorkman: and you had need-to-remove-batt times too? |
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| 15:51.42 | Fougner | Zorkman, the network won |
| 15:51.47 | Fougner | won't work |
| 15:51.48 | Fougner | * |
| 15:51.50 | kd8ikt | i think i fixed the buzzing sound on mine |
| 15:52.10 | kd8ikt | but it probably got ruined cause i didnt save the state |
| 15:52.12 | Dave | turned it off, did you? :p |
| 15:52.33 | kd8ikt | no i called myself while ssh'd in an toyed with alamixer |
| 15:52.54 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: buzzing is hw problem |
| 15:53.01 | Zorkman | you can't fix it with software i think |
| 15:53.13 | laen | Zoooorkman, zeg nou eens :) |
| 15:53.15 | Zorkman | but if you did it; GIMME GIMME GIMME :) |
| 15:53.33 | Zorkman | laen: yes |
| 15:53.47 | Zorkman | Fougner: did you follow the wiki? if you did it should work, really |
| 15:53.50 | jonkristian | Can alsamixer settings be imported, are they stored somewhere? |
| 15:53.50 | laen | Okay, happy to hear it might just not be a hardware problem. |
| 15:54.02 | kd8ikt | alsa states |
| 15:54.08 | kd8ikt | i forget where they reside |
| 15:54.16 | jonkristian | kd8ikt: are any released? |
| 15:54.23 | Dave | laen :p |
| 15:54.24 | jonkristian | Like, good default settings |
| 15:54.26 | Dave | JONKRISTIAN! |
| 15:54.30 | jonkristian | Dave: :) |
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| 15:54.50 | laen | When you're smiling... yeah when you're smiling, Dave smiles with youuu! |
| 15:54.51 | Zorkman | here kd8ikt: /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ |
| 15:55.02 | jonkristian | laen: agreed:D |
| 15:55.12 | Dave | \o/ |
| 15:55.13 | kd8ikt | all i did was lower one bar (i forget wich one) by one down arrow click and the buzz magicly disapeared |
| 15:55.19 | Dave | does the happy dance with laen |
| 15:55.30 | jonkristian | kd8ikt: share the state file:) |
| 15:55.39 | laen | I mean, #openmoko without Dave would be a lot more stressy people. But thats just a wild guess, i wouldn't wanna try it out heh. |
| 15:55.49 | Zorkman | no kd8ikt: take a pattent and sell it for big bucks! |
| 15:55.52 | Dave | dankje læn :] |
| 15:55.58 | Wonka | stress-tests Dave |
| 15:56.02 | kd8ikt | think it was mono 95 |
| 15:56.03 | Dave | [D:] |
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| 15:56.35 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: and is your volume high enough? (mic and speaker) ? |
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| 15:56.52 | kd8ikt | why are you asking me? go fucking fart with it |
| 15:56.58 | SpeedEvil | There are only 100^50*2^40 possible mixer settings. Just try them all. |
| 15:57.00 | Fougner | Zorkman, how do I use udhcpc ? |
| 15:57.13 | Dave | hmm, shorting my battery terminals is likely ill advised. |
| 15:57.17 | Zorkman | Fougner: you need ssh acces or a terminal on the FR |
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| 15:57.28 | Dave | TORIKUN |
| 15:57.31 | Fougner | Zorkman, I'm in the FR now |
| 15:57.34 | Torikun | Dave ! |
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| 15:57.43 | Fougner | but I'll try the wifi |
| 15:57.46 | Zorkman | Fougner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi |
| 15:57.55 | Fougner | Zorkman, yeah, I'm there now |
| 15:57.58 | Zorkman | Fougner is in our FR's, stealing our mojo |
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| 15:58.20 | Fougner | Zorkman, If you want to connect to an unsecured network run: |
| 15:58.20 | Fougner | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.29 | Zorkman | udhcpc eth0 |
| 15:58.31 | Fougner | ah |
| 15:58.45 | Fougner | sending discover? |
| 15:58.53 | Zorkman | no!!, they'll find you!!! |
| 15:58.58 | Fougner | :| |
| 15:59.03 | kd8ikt | i find i have to enter a essid or epic failure |
| 15:59.19 | Fougner | Zorkman, I just want to connect to my wireless router! |
| 15:59.20 | kd8ikt | iwconfig eth0 essid OpenWrt ; udhcpc eth0 |
| 15:59.22 | jonkristian | Anyone got wep working on 2008.9 ? |
| 15:59.22 | Zorkman | Fougner: iwlist eth0 essid "YOURESSID" |
| 15:59.28 | Zorkman | then udhcpc eth0 |
| 15:59.32 | Dave | I'm in ur uggh |
| 15:59.38 | Dave | freerunnnnnnner |
| 15:59.50 | Zorkman | jonkristian: i got it working |
| 16:00.06 | Zorkman | you have to be carefull in which order you give the key and the essid |
| 16:00.08 | jonkristian | Zorkman: any magic settings i should look at |
| 16:00.17 | jonkristian | Zorkman: do it through terminal+ |
| 16:00.18 | jonkristian | ? |
| 16:00.29 | Dave | :o |
| 16:01.16 | jonkristian | <:| |
| 16:01.22 | kd8ikt | iwconfig != iwlist |
| 16:01.32 | DocScrutinizer | guys, buzz is iduced via MICBIAS voltage to the handset mic. there's no way to fix it with usual level mods in alsamixer |
| 16:01.35 | kd8ikt | bash conditionals are fun |
| 16:01.40 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: sorry typo |
| 16:01.42 | Zorkman | meant iwconfig |
| 16:01.46 | laen | How do you setup multiple networks with autodetecting and autoconnecting with wireless-tools/iwconfig? |
| 16:02.04 | kd8ikt | DocScrutinizer: u beg to differ |
| 16:02.11 | Zorkman | I have a script to auto-connect to the strongest open wifi |
| 16:02.15 | laen | I've been a wpa_supplicant person so far.. but now iwconfig supports wpa and wpa2 too and wpa_supplicant freezes the moko.. interesting! |
| 16:02.15 | kd8ikt | i* beg to differ |
| 16:02.27 | Zorkman | but since i suck at linux and programming it's probably very ugly laen |
| 16:03.06 | kd8ikt | i havent touched wifiweasel in a long time |
| 16:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | wpa_supplicant is nasty |
| 16:03.10 | Fougner | Zorkman, is a terminal included in the new 2008.9 rootfs? :D |
| 16:03.11 | Torikun | Zorkman: Join my project and learn Java |
| 16:03.12 | Torikun | lol |
| 16:03.29 | jonkristian | Fougner: I installed it through the installer gui |
| 16:03.31 | Zorkman | Torikun: i can program a little bit java, but it's been a long time |
| 16:03.41 | Torikun | Sweet |
| 16:04.00 | Torikun | Swing is kinda difficulkt |
| 16:04.09 | chi | tmobile works with the neo right? |
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| 16:04.25 | Torikun | Yes |
| 16:04.29 | Torikun | I am using Tmobile |
| 16:04.32 | Fougner | jonkristian, the problem is that I have a hard time to setup a network connection =D |
| 16:04.43 | Zorkman | chi: with the new firmware EVERY provider should work |
| 16:05.04 | jonkristian | Fougner: Me too |
| 16:05.12 | chi | heh Zorkman it does not work with AT&T |
| 16:05.15 | Zorkman | Dave: you heard of Chox lately? or did he abandon us completely? |
| 16:05.29 | Fougner | jonkristian, how did you get a connection then? :O |
| 16:05.29 | Zorkman | chi: the new firmware is in testing, in a few days it will be available |
| 16:05.36 | chi | reaaaally? |
| 16:05.41 | Zorkman | yes really |
| 16:05.57 | Dave | Zorkman, yeah, I haven't. |
| 16:05.58 | chi | Zorkman, and it will work with the sims listed as bad for att? |
| 16:05.58 | Dave | CHI |
| 16:06.00 | Zorkman | except when they find an unexpected bug that makes it blow up your FR |
| 16:06.01 | chi | DAVE |
| 16:06.11 | Zorkman | chi: yes normally it will |
| 16:06.22 | Dave | Chi, weren't you the one pestering me about my SIM? and the bad ones on the wiki lately? :p |
| 16:06.33 | Zorkman | bad chi! |
| 16:06.37 | Dave | haha |
| 16:06.38 | chi | Dave, yes att does not carry any working sims up here in MN |
| 16:06.52 | Dave | well I threw mine up on teh wiki |
| 16:07.06 | Zorkman | MN=minnesota.? |
| 16:07.20 | Dave | Yes |
| 16:07.35 | chi | Dave, i saw thank you =D |
| 16:07.40 | Dave | ]:D |
| 16:07.43 | Fougner | MN = manganese :D |
| 16:07.50 | Dave | Mn |
| 16:07.56 | Fougner | ah |
| 16:07.57 | Fougner | hehe |
| 16:08.11 | jonkristian | Fougner: I only got a connection via usb at the moment |
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| 16:08.16 | Dave | Mmm... |
| 16:08.20 | Fougner | jonkristian, how did you do? :O |
| 16:08.53 | jonkristian | Fougner: in short? http://rafb.net/p/7cnSQz78.html |
| 16:08.56 | kd8ikt | ok how do i save the current alsa state to a new file |
| 16:09.04 | kd8ikt | alsactl store ./filename? |
| 16:09.06 | jonkristian | Fougner: then ssh root@192.168.0.202 -p 22 |
| 16:09.31 | Dave | kd8, go for it |
| 16:10.33 | dario__ | is there any news about mwester kernel? |
| 16:10.57 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: alsactl store ? |
| 16:11.04 | kd8ikt | alsactl store -f ./filename |
| 16:11.12 | jonkristian | kd8ikt: just alsactl store and copy the state file |
| 16:12.01 | Dave | alsactl store me some breakfast |
| 16:12.07 | Dave | s/store/score/ |
| 16:12.08 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/f2f0810f |
| 16:12.09 | Dave | :D |
| 16:12.50 | kd8ikt | works good for me i didnt hear any buzz on the remote side |
| 16:12.56 | laen | alsastore --buy breakfast |
| 16:13.53 | Dave | there's an alsa store? :D |
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| 16:13.57 | Dave | is it in the mall? :P |
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| 16:14.32 | Dave | I see leinirs. |
| 16:15.20 | kd8ikt | well the buz wasnt as pronounced as it is by default |
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| 16:15.36 | kd8ikt | gsmhandset.state |
| 16:15.37 | Dave | extra-special buzz for you? |
| 16:15.47 | kd8ikt | yeah i need to go buy a beer now |
| 16:15.59 | Dave | beers kd8ikt |
| 16:16.02 | Dave | o/ |
| 16:16.17 | Zorkman | lpotter is still hiding |
| 16:16.20 | leinirAWAY | Really you only see one of me... ;) |
| 16:16.24 | Zorkman | too bad we can't bug him :( |
| 16:16.25 | laen | :D 17:11 Dave >> is it in the mall? :P |
| 16:16.30 | Fougner | jonkristian, you made my day.. thanks |
| 16:16.45 | kd8ikt | those alsa state files are huge |
| 16:17.11 | kd8ikt | almost 1000 lines |
| 16:17.16 | Fougner | is there a way to update all my stuff in the GUI ? |
| 16:17.23 | laen | Hey, did OM 2008.9 get officially released or is OM 2008.8 the last _real_ release? Kinda confusing. |
| 16:18.00 | Dave | :p |
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| 16:21.44 | Zorkman | how do I add entries to the applications menu in qtopia? |
| 16:22.04 | q0b | /usr/share/applications/*.desktop |
| 16:22.22 | Dave | heh |
| 16:22.24 | Zorkman | q0b that folder is empty, i already checked |
| 16:22.25 | Dave | cwb |
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| 16:28.56 | jonkristian | kd8ikt: which of the state files did you paste? |
| 16:29.03 | jonkristian | gsmhandset.state? |
| 16:29.04 | Zorkman | gsmhandset.state |
| 16:29.07 | jonkristian | ok |
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| 16:31.54 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: ping |
| 16:32.04 | ieatlint | hi |
| 16:32.10 | kd8ikt | hey i found something for ya |
| 16:32.18 | ieatlint | oh? |
| 16:32.19 | kd8ikt | still live in san fran right? |
| 16:32.24 | ieatlint | yep |
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| 16:32.28 | kd8ikt | http://cozybit.com/were-hiring/ |
| 16:32.33 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 16:32.42 | kd8ikt | 80211s |
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| 16:33.14 | kd8ikt | although i think i'm a bit far from an "embedded engineer" |
| 16:33.26 | jonkristian | Is there a restart script for the alsa daemon? |
| 16:33.26 | ieatlint | i probably am as well, hehe |
| 16:33.40 | kd8ikt | oh wait there is a junoir possition |
| 16:33.42 | jonkristian | or will it activate the state file immediatly |
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| 16:34.24 | kd8ikt | junior position |
| 16:35.08 | lindi- | jonkristian: what's alsa daemon? |
| 16:35.17 | jonkristian | lindi-: alsa |
| 16:35.25 | *** part/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@p54B34736.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:35.28 | lindi- | jonkristian: alsa is a kernel subsystem |
| 16:36.00 | kd8ikt | advanced linux sound architecture |
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| 16:39.01 | lindi- | jonkristian: i don't think it is associated with any particular daemon |
| 16:39.29 | jonkristian | mkkay |
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| 16:42.12 | kd8ikt | pypennotes is cool |
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| 16:43.08 | Ainulindale | hey Sup3rkiddo :-) |
| 16:43.15 | Ainulindale | Just bugged you on linkedin :-) |
| 16:43.24 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, hi, evening |
| 16:43.52 | Sup3rkiddo | cool...checking |
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| 16:47.40 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, yay, added |
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| 16:51.57 | Ainulindale | :-) |
| 16:53.09 | jonkristian | Fougner: any luck with wireless? |
| 16:53.43 | tomboy64 | is anyone familiar with agpsui2? does it work? is it useful? |
| 16:53.44 | Fougner | jonkristian, nop, not yet.. But I got it working with the usb |
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| 16:54.17 | jonkristian | Fougner: cool |
| 16:54.17 | tomboy64 | if either, is a recipe available? |
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| 16:55.28 | puppe | Where to download ufb-util for linux i386? |
| 16:55.44 | puppe | this link seem to be broken http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/dfu-util |
| 16:56.33 | lindi- | apt-get install dfu-util |
| 16:57.20 | puppe | can't find package |
| 16:57.27 | puppe | using ubuntu8.04 |
| 16:57.46 | lindi- | it's at least in debian lenny |
| 16:58.51 | puppe | ok. So where can I grab that one? |
| 16:59.01 | puppe | Can I use the same? |
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| 17:00.34 | Dave | Man, it's pretty sad how slow the freerunner is. |
| 17:01.07 | lindi- | puppe: at least you could apt-get --build source it |
| 17:01.28 | puppe | Found something called: dfu-programmer - device firmware update (DFU) based USB programmer for Atmel chips |
| 17:01.44 | Dave | dfu-util works fine? |
| 17:01.51 | puppe | and looking at this page it suggest it could perhaps be the same http://packages.debian.org/lenny/dfu-util |
| 17:02.18 | puppe | Ah, apt-get source. Got it |
| 17:02.22 | puppe | thanks |
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| 17:02.24 | Fougner | puppe, use NeoTool? :D |
| 17:03.13 | Dave | puppe: What's wrong with http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/dfu-util ? |
| 17:04.24 | puppe | NeoTool. Nope. Is it a substitute? Do you have a link to it? |
| 17:04.35 | lindi- | puppe: no, it's a GUI |
| 17:04.55 | puppe | aha, thanks |
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| 17:05.28 | puppe | Dave: oh, somehow I didn't see that link before. ??? Thanks a lot. I guess solves my problems :) |
| 17:05.40 | puppe | :D |
| 17:05.49 | Dave | :D |
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| 17:15.14 | Fougner | hmm, I try to install mediaplayer |
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| 17:16.15 | Zorkman | what about it fougner? |
| 17:17.10 | jonkristian | just spendt 10minuttes trying to figure out how to exit doom :D |
| 17:17.16 | Dave | :D |
| 17:17.19 | Dave | DOOM! |
| 17:17.24 | Dave | dooms Zorkman |
| 17:17.51 | Dave | I'm still holding out for Mortal Kombat |
| 17:17.56 | Dave | or some clone of it :] |
| 17:17.59 | Tm_T | it has sensible way to strafe? |
| 17:18.01 | Tm_T | Doom that is |
| 17:18.30 | Dave | Who would want to play a game like that with motion and movement? |
| 17:18.37 | Dave | (i.e. gestures) |
| 17:19.07 | Fougner | Zorkman, "dep-resolution-failed" |
| 17:19.16 | Dave | pictures serious bodily injury resulting from two or more players engaging in Killer Instinct on the freerunner |
| 17:19.16 | jonkristian | Hm, /bin/sh: Link: not found |
| 17:19.17 | Fougner | openmoko-mediaplayer |
| 17:19.29 | Dave | jonk, awesome |
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| 17:21.13 | Fougner | Zorkman, also, I can scp files (mp3) over to the sdcard, but is there a GUI for a filemanager? =) |
| 17:21.54 | kd8ikt | midnight commander |
| 17:21.59 | Dave | hahaha |
| 17:22.04 | Dave | Fuck yeah! |
| 17:22.09 | Dave | or gpe-filemanager? |
| 17:22.15 | Fougner | =D |
| 17:22.16 | Dave | or is that abandoned? |
| 17:22.38 | kd8ikt | wish mc had fish:// like ftp:// |
| 17:23.00 | kd8ikt | cd ftp://user:pass@ftpserver.com |
| 17:23.09 | Fougner | why does it take so long for a simple app to be installed? |
| 17:23.43 | kd8ikt | must not be simple ;) |
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| 17:25.43 | jonkristian | hm, possible bug |
| 17:25.50 | jonkristian | bitrate 1 M/bs |
| 17:26.08 | jonkristian | on eth0, shouldn't that be 54? |
| 17:26.51 | kd8ikt | iwconfig eth0 rate 54 |
| 17:26.58 | kd8ikt | or auto |
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| 17:28.46 | jonkristian | auto sets it to 1 |
| 17:28.51 | jonkristian | That's not good, right |
| 17:29.36 | Weiss | jonkristian: over USB 1.1? |
| 17:29.50 | jonkristian | Weiss: no, im trying to get wifi working |
| 17:29.54 | Weiss | ah, sorry |
| 17:29.58 | Weiss | wasn't paying attention.. |
| 17:30.16 | jonkristian | but the rate of the wlan card is up to 54? |
| 17:31.26 | kd8ikt | yeah mine says 54 |
| 17:31.41 | jonkristian | gr |
| 17:31.43 | Weiss | jonkristian: what's the signal strength? |
| 17:31.44 | kd8ikt | might be the kernel youre using or something like being really far from the AP |
| 17:31.51 | jonkristian | Weiss: at the moment, 0 |
| 17:32.18 | Weiss | also, you may be interested in some of the benchmarks on the kernel list recently.. they only put it below about 1Mb/sec and suspect there are limitations somewhere in the kernel |
| 17:32.22 | jonkristian | kd8ikt: Im using Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin |
| 17:32.54 | jonkristian | with Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 17:32.54 | jonkristian | on a sd |
| 17:32.55 | puppe | When getting into the boot menu and choosing "Set console to USB" I get "Press [AUX] to return to boot menu." and is afterward promptly put back into the boot menu. Am I doing something wrong here or is that how it is supposed to be? |
| 17:32.56 | kd8ikt | ah no kidding? |
| 17:33.19 | kd8ikt | no thats a successfull cmd execution puppe |
| 17:33.20 | jonkristian | kd8ikt: ? |
| 17:33.37 | kd8ikt | Weiss: |
| 17:34.01 | puppe | ok... |
| 17:34.32 | kd8ikt | so you should be able to jump into the uboot prompt now |
| 17:35.17 | kd8ikt | chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 ; cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 17:36.02 | puppe | Ok thanks. Will have to read a bit more... |
| 17:36.19 | laen | Ieeeeee! |
| 17:36.23 | laen | Installing debian.. E: Internal error: install |
| 17:36.27 | kd8ikt | yeah cause you could really fubar some stuff in u-boot shell |
| 17:36.41 | kd8ikt | like i did earlier |
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| 17:37.55 | kd8ikt | oh puppe |
| 17:38.10 | kd8ikt | i forgot you can backup your u-boot env |
| 17:38.17 | kd8ikt | incase u F something up |
| 17:38.59 | kd8ikt | dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U mybackup (i think) |
| 17:39.57 | kd8ikt | dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U bkup081103_u-boot_env.bin |
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| 17:40.40 | kd8ikt | then if you want to restore it `dfu-util -s u-boot_env -R -D bkup081103_u-boot_env.bin |
| 17:40.50 | kd8ikt | er -a not -s |
| 17:41.29 | puppe | Thanks kd8ikt |
| 17:41.48 | jonkristian | What's the recommended kernel as of now? for 2008.9 ? |
| 17:41.52 | puppe | Going through the wiki at the moment. Saving your stuff for later :) |
| 17:42.19 | kd8ikt | read 5 times act once |
| 17:42.32 | puppe | more like 20 :D |
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| 17:42.34 | kd8ikt | unless you're reading a retards post |
| 17:42.55 | kd8ikt | thats when wisdom comes into play |
| 17:44.50 | ulf | jonkristian: recommended kernels http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images |
| 17:45.04 | ulf | jonkristian: i think i already showed you that link |
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| 17:49.48 | kd8ikt | cause i just ran into some wicked u-boot_env whoah's earlier and thank god i found a uboot_env.bin backup someone else made over the interweb it saved my arse |
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| 17:50.45 | Dave | hahaha |
| 17:50.48 | kd8ikt | debian's installer.sh is fail (i think it was because i didnt have dosfstools installed |
| 17:51.30 | kd8ikt | so it was having problems getting the kernel from the sdcard but for some reason the regular boot from flash option was fubared too |
| 17:51.47 | kd8ikt | i was seriously freaked |
| 17:51.55 | Dave | sounds like |
| 17:52.24 | kd8ikt | but after i flashed the default uboot_env both boot fine now |
| 17:52.37 | kd8ikt | so dont let the debian installer mess with your u-boot |
| 17:53.07 | kd8ikt | i should probably edit that wiki page |
| 17:53.15 | Dave | why would you ever want to? |
| 17:53.41 | Dave | It's like: "Please hold, while we install our rootkit..." |
| 17:53.46 | fredrin | aah a new day |
| 17:53.49 | Dave | (Tentacles ready) |
| 17:55.08 | fredrin | any plans of a desktop application that supplements the Neo, like for backup, sending sms/calling from the computer, copying music and films with transcode+++++ |
| 17:55.27 | Dave | Ah, I see. |
| 17:55.34 | kd8ikt | not a bad idea |
| 17:56.00 | kd8ikt | i especially like the transcode part |
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| 17:56.18 | SpeedEvil | Free_maN: first we need it to actually work as a phone. |
| 17:56.19 | fredrin | :) What's the optimal video format for the Neo? |
| 17:56.23 | kd8ikt | any video > mpeg4 |
| 17:56.34 | SpeedEvil | fredrin: it should probably do that before working on other stuff. |
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| 17:57.25 | fredrin | SpeedEvil: transcode video? |
| 17:57.45 | kd8ikt | mencoder |
| 17:57.47 | SpeedEvil | fredrin: work as a phone |
| 17:57.48 | kd8ikt | ffmpeg |
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| 18:00.24 | puppe | Thanks Dave and kd8ikt and everyone. Must say it is great to have help line over here. :) |
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| 18:01.16 | Dave | Sure :) |
| 18:02.51 | kd8ikt | omfg some SOB put an obama ad on my doornob |
| 18:04.21 | cjb | kd8ikt: which state? |
| 18:04.29 | kd8ikt | Ohio |
| 18:04.34 | kd8ikt | we vote tomorrow |
| 18:04.36 | cjb | well, then :) |
| 18:04.44 | cjb | I'm actually kind of jealous |
| 18:05.52 | cjb | I'm in MA |
| 18:05.52 | cjb | where my vote counts for crap |
| 18:05.52 | kd8ikt | theres a fricken sign outfront that says NO SOLICITING. he's breaking the lawl |
| 18:05.52 | cjb | at least yours matters |
| 18:05.53 | cjb | *shrug* |
| 18:05.53 | kd8ikt | i'm telling |
| 18:05.53 | kd8ikt | i hate candidates that do that crap |
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| 18:05.55 | mwester | hates politicians in general. |
| 18:06.07 | kd8ikt | i want to move to canada or europe |
| 18:06.19 | Fougner | kd8ikt, you're welcome here =D |
| 18:06.28 | kd8ikt | where you live? |
| 18:06.30 | cjb | kd8ikt: oh, you think the flyer is officially from the campaign? |
| 18:06.31 | Fougner | Sweden |
| 18:06.50 | kd8ikt | nice |
| 18:07.01 | mwester | used to think .au would be good, but now they have some ridiculous internet police thing going on. |
| 18:07.16 | Fougner | Austria? |
| 18:07.19 | kd8ikt | i had a penpall from finland when i was in like 6th grade |
| 18:07.19 | SpeedEvil | mwester-trip: uk is heading that way too. |
| 18:07.41 | cjb | suspects he's going to like living the US much more when Obama is president :) |
| 18:07.48 | kd8ikt | i kinda want to go to china too |
| 18:08.10 | bumbl | kd8ikt: is ohio democratic or republican? |
| 18:08.19 | cjb | bumbl: it is a swing state. |
| 18:08.24 | kd8ikt | demo i believe |
| 18:08.39 | bumbl | as homer said: this won't happen in America. Maybe in Ohio. But not in America |
| 18:08.47 | kd8ikt | but it sure will be interesting seeing the results of the vote |
| 18:08.58 | Fougner | why can |
| 18:09.14 | Fougner | why can't I find the maps for sweden in the repos :| |
| 18:09.32 | bumbl | kd8ikt: don't move to Europe |
| 18:09.34 | Tm_T | Fougner: because you haven't packaged them |
| 18:09.41 | bumbl | our politicans are brain dead |
| 18:10.03 | mwester | ours are evil. All of them. Not sure brain dead isn't better. |
| 18:10.19 | Tm_T | we have few smart ones here |
| 18:11.06 | kd8ikt | howbout germany |
| 18:11.16 | kd8ikt | that would be another choice for me |
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| 18:11.39 | bumbl | kd8ikt: i would not like to move to germany |
| 18:11.50 | Fougner | kd8ikt, why germany? P |
| 18:11.51 | Fougner | :P* |
| 18:12.04 | kd8ikt | beer and my last name is german |
| 18:12.12 | Fougner | Hahah |
| 18:12.16 | kd8ikt | might find some long lost distabt relatives |
| 18:12.21 | Fougner | xD |
| 18:12.27 | kd8ikt | Lutz |
| 18:12.33 | SpeedEvil | passes kd8ikt some leiderhosen. |
| 18:12.39 | bumbl | mwester: brain dead = needs advisor = lobbies |
| 18:12.40 | Fougner | hmm, about sweden, if you're a beerdrinker you probably wouldn't like it here |
| 18:12.42 | Tm_T | leider? |
| 18:12.48 | kd8ikt | puts em on |
| 18:13.02 | Tm_T | Fougner: agreed |
| 18:13.03 | bumbl | SpeedEvil: Lederhosen are even more common here in Austria |
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| 18:14.17 | Fougner | Tm_T, you're swede? |
| 18:14.28 | Tm_T | Fougner: nope |
| 18:14.37 | Fougner | okay xD |
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| 18:14.53 | Fougner | but why do you agree? =) |
| 18:15.11 | Fougner | root@om-gta02:~# opkg update && opkg upgrade |
| 18:15.12 | Fougner | Collected errors: |
| 18:15.12 | Fougner | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.14 | Fougner | whyyyyyyyyy? |
| 18:15.20 | Tm_T | Fougner: I know your stuff |
| 18:15.30 | Fougner | hehe, "Systembolaget" |
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| 18:16.08 | mwester | doesn't think "beer" when he thinks Sweden. |
| 18:16.17 | ulf | Fougner: you have Installer open on the freerunner |
| 18:16.22 | cjb | perhaps "expensive beer"? |
| 18:16.36 | mwester | Abba? |
| 18:17.04 | SpeedEvil | google-image searches is fun. |
| 18:17.08 | SpeedEvil | Safe-search off. |
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| 18:17.22 | SpeedEvil | search for 'german' 'norwegian' 'swedish' ... |
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| 18:17.34 | bumbl | thinks about blondes when he thinks of Sweden |
| 18:17.38 | mwester | has kids here... he'd thinks he'll not try that. ;) |
| 18:20.03 | SpeedEvil | Second image on 'german' after the flag. |
| 18:20.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.indiewire.com/ipop/GermanKnowles.jpg |
| 18:20.08 | SpeedEvil | (worksafe) |
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| 18:20.37 | Fougner | bumbl, blondes, heheh ;) |
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| 18:21.22 | laen | P: Extracting login |
| 18:21.23 | laen | tar: crc error |
| 18:21.30 | laen | I guess thats bad? :P |
| 18:22.32 | cjb | heh |
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| 18:23.12 | sleipnir | hello |
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| 18:23.26 | cjb | hm, time for my fortnightly "which distribution should I run on my Freerunner?" dilemma |
| 18:23.51 | lindi- | heh |
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| 18:24.24 | sleipnir | can someone help me with projects.openmoko? I always get a "Permission denied (public key)" even after uploading the pubkey |
| 18:24.27 | ulf | cjb: let me know if you find a solution for your dilemma |
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| 18:25.59 | laen | cjb: i guess the logical.. debian on SD, qtopia on the system itself if you really wanna use it daily, unless you wanna keep testing, you're up for * on it. |
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| 18:26.22 | TAsnn | what's the modules for? i mean, are they necessary? i got all the distros running without them, what do they do? |
| 18:26.35 | cjb | laen: ah, I'm on FSOv3 at the moment |
| 18:26.52 | lindi- | TAsnn: never heard of linux modules before? |
| 18:27.19 | lindi- | today i tried to write a new phone app that'd just work but it seems to be quite tricky :) |
| 18:27.32 | TAsnn | lindi-, i have |
| 18:27.38 | TAsnn | i just wonder why does it work without em |
| 18:27.50 | quickdev | cjb, maybe you should try SHR one day ;) |
| 18:27.50 | quickdev | or did you already? |
| 18:27.54 | TAsnn | all the important stuff might be compiled into kernel |
| 18:28.11 | ulf | TAsnn: you need them for example for iptables or usb keyboard afaik |
| 18:28.12 | cjb | quickdev: I'm a little confused about what it is |
| 18:28.17 | cjb | quickdev: does it use the FSO shell? |
| 18:28.52 | lindi- | TAsnn: since those features you use are compiled in in your kernel |
| 18:29.02 | TAsnn | lindi-, thanks |
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| 18:29.10 | TAsnn | ulf, exactly what i was asking |
| 18:29.18 | TAsnn | what do they do |
| 18:29.34 | TAsnn | iptables and usb keyboards are the answers i expected ;] |
| 18:30.11 | ulf | TAsnn: hm, i think i don't understand you question? |
| 18:30.32 | ulf | TAsnn: s/you/your/ |
| 18:30.33 | TAsnn | you do |
| 18:30.35 | TAsnn | you did* |
| 18:30.40 | TAsnn | i got the answers i wanted |
| 18:30.44 | TAsnn | thanks ;] |
| 18:30.53 | ulf | ok :) |
| 18:31.07 | quickdev | cjb, it's based on FSO, yes |
| 18:31.19 | cjb | quickdev: what's different about it to FSO? |
| 18:31.58 | quickdev | cjb, it has some basic EFL C phone apps, dialer, messaging, contacts |
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| 18:34.40 | laen | Don't the modules that come with mwester's kernel provide the stuff so the qtextended image doesn't break as quick? |
| 18:35.36 | laen | Booting the qtextended without those gives errors, so i guess they're not optional there. Never seen other modules though. |
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| 18:47.25 | mwester | laen: The modules are for completeness, mainly. In common cases, none of them are ever used, which IMO is a good thing. Uncommon cases that might need the modules would be for WPA with wireless. |
| 18:48.14 | mwester | So I suspect a lot of people just ignore the errors and don't bother with the modules. Which is unfortunate, because as some point they will need them, and by then they will have completely forgotten that they didn't install the modules... |
| 18:48.38 | leinirAWAY | WPA isn't really an uncommon case... |
| 18:48.55 | laen | Ah, maybe that's why the FR freezes when i do internet/networking stuff in the internet menu item. |
| 18:49.07 | laen | indeed leinirAWAY, but you're not away are you ;) |
| 18:49.11 | lindi- | missing module should never cause crash |
| 18:49.22 | leinir | Only just got back :) |
| 18:49.28 | laen | Welcome back! :) |
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| 18:50.44 | mwester | leinir: since WPA doesn't work worth a **** on the FR, it's uncommon for the FR! ;) |
| 18:51.40 | laen | Well, wireless-tools support wpa and wpa2, so i see no real -need- for wpa_supp though. |
| 18:52.12 | laen | I mean i got used to wpa_supplicant cause of the wpa/2 lack in wireless-tools. |
| 18:52.24 | leinir | mwester: Well, that's true :) |
| 18:52.31 | laen | Now thats gone.. wireless-tools interest me again. |
| 18:53.32 | mwester | Werner has been working on the wireless, and I understand that we'll have to have the wifi driver itself be a module. |
| 18:54.02 | mwester | Apparently, the only way to re-initialize the Atheros code after you have powered off the wifi is to unload/reload the module. |
| 18:54.49 | mwester | So that's why I have not bothered to put the WPA-required crypto drivers in-kernel; if we need to have the wifi be a module, we might as well have all the wifi-related stuff be modules. |
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| 18:56.00 | Fougner | is the FR charging the battery in suspended mode? |
| 18:56.21 | joerg_42 | yes, should |
| 18:56.22 | Fougner | or what happens when in suspended mode? |
| 18:56.26 | trains | Hi, anyone tried mokoko in FSO-testing? |
| 18:56.57 | Fougner | anyhow, I'm out of here.. think I should install Qt next :D bye |
| 18:57.51 | trains | i get the following error installing mokoko in FSO |
| 18:57.51 | trains | Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for mokoko: |
| 18:57.51 | trains | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.08 | joerg_42 | mwester: do you suffer from #666? |
| 18:58.16 | trains | i do? |
| 18:58.47 | trains | not very helpfull that tip |
| 18:58.48 | mwester | joerg_42: Due to amazing good luck, I actually have three sims, and not a single one of them suffers from #666. |
| 18:59.05 | mwester | But I have kids, so I can steal a couple more sims to test something, if required. |
| 18:59.21 | joerg_42 | :-/ ;-) so no tester for fixed FW |
| 18:59.28 | mwester | Oooh |
| 18:59.29 | Kensan | mwester: hi |
| 18:59.38 | mwester | Ok. |
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| 19:00.03 | mwester | I shall snag a couple of sims later today when the kids come home from school, and see if any have the 666 problem. |
| 19:00.17 | joerg_42 | mwester: let me know if you see 666 |
| 19:00.24 | mwester | I'll do that. :) |
| 19:00.29 | joerg_42 | ( |
| 19:00.32 | joerg_42 | k |
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| 19:00.37 | joerg_42 | :) |
| 19:00.42 | Kensan | mwester: andy already put the patch in stable eventhough I said I didn't do any serious testing... |
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| 19:01.07 | mwester | andy is very liberal with stable ;) But it looks like a low-risk patch. |
| 19:01.22 | mwester | I need to get it onto the knife-kernel yet, will do that after work todya. |
| 19:01.49 | Kensan | mwester: well yes, but still... it's called "stable" and people would think that's for a reason. |
| 19:01.59 | mwester | Interesting news on the WSoD bug -- possibly temp. sensitive. |
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| 19:03.05 | mwester | I tried with my v5 FR (put it in a condensation-prevention-container, and placed it in my thermal test chamber) -- still can't get mine to WSoD :( |
| 19:03.08 | Kensan | mwester: about hw-ecc to actually use an image with hw-ecc one would need an updated uboot that also uses hw-ecc to flash the image properly, right? |
| 19:03.17 | mwester | I think so. |
| 19:03.30 | mwester | A side effect would be that you can't boot from NOR anymore. |
| 19:03.32 | Kensan | mwester: oh, how come? where does that info about temperature come from? |
| 19:03.33 | joerg_42 | mwester: (temp) WAAAAH |
| 19:03.46 | Kensan | mwester: well my debugboard is in the mail ;) |
| 19:04.16 | mwester | Kensan: bug tracker -- email to distro list. |
| 19:04.19 | mwester | this morning. |
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| 19:05.11 | mwester | The symptoms the reporter adds to the bug report would explain, to some degree, the WSoD only happening after suspend for 20 minutes or longer -- if the parts have cooled in that timeframe. |
| 19:05.37 | Kensan | mwester: hm maybe I should subscribe to that list... |
| 19:06.04 | mwester | It's a long shot, but every little clue might help someone ask the Glamo mfgr the right question to fill in the missing bit of information that would help that thing resume reliablly. |
| 19:06.14 | joerg_42 | mwester: this could also be deteriorating info in video ram |
| 19:06.21 | joerg_42 | or register |
| 19:06.35 | mwester | Would that also possibly deteriorate faster as temp changed? |
| 19:06.43 | joerg_42 | yup |
| 19:06.47 | mwester | Well. |
| 19:06.58 | mwester | That sounds more probable than anything else. |
| 19:06.58 | joerg_42 | so ok, temp dependent |
| 19:07.08 | Kensan | ohhhh |
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| 19:08.10 | mwester | Based on the emails on the om kernel list, that's the only big issue remaining that keeps us from moving up to the 2.6.26 kernel... so close@! |
| 19:08.24 | joerg_42 | distinguish refresh from pure temp: switch on from suspend every 5min for few sec |
| 19:08.37 | q0b | hi .. is there a way to configure the gsm pin, so that is no pin entry dialog after a reboot? (om 2008/09) |
| 19:09.14 | mwester | but first I need one that exibits the WSoD problem -- hard to debug when mine works just fine! :) |
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| 19:09.22 | joerg_42 | if it's refresh, it won't show up when U refresh every x min |
| 19:09.56 | mwester | by refresh you mean the video ram, or just bring up the power to the glamo and turn if off again? |
| 19:10.11 | joerg_42 | if its temp it will cool down despite tsec on every few min |
| 19:10.40 | mwester | true |
| 19:10.50 | joerg_42 | go from suspend to power up and back to suspend |
| 19:11.05 | joerg_42 | so all the ram and regs gets a refresh |
| 19:11.15 | mwester | anyway, gotta get back to work right now. Good stuff -- I'll see if I can borrow a sim that won't register. |
| 19:11.32 | joerg_42 | cool :-) |
| 19:13.23 | nemik | qt is nice. but bluetooth and wifi don't work |
| 19:13.31 | jonkristian | tell me about it |
| 19:13.32 | jonkristian | :D |
| 19:13.38 | nemik | i just did :D |
| 19:14.09 | nemik | better than 2008 though. are calls/sms over suspend working? haven't tried that yet |
| 19:14.38 | jonkristian | I preffer 2008.9 over qt |
| 19:14.51 | jonkristian | Haven't tested both much though |
| 19:14.56 | jonkristian | tried FDOM? |
| 19:16.07 | nemik | not yet |
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| 19:16.58 | nemik | i plan to mostly use it as a portable gsm/sms/http server though. so i'd just use whatever's most stable and easiest to develop for |
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| 19:17.19 | jonkristian | I added the angstrom repo today to get navit, and now it's updgrading everything from angstrom |
| 19:17.27 | Tm_T | indeed |
| 19:17.54 | sleipnir | whom can I contact if i don't manage to login to my project at projects.openmoko.org? |
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| 19:22.26 | jonkristian | Too bad qt runs under fb |
| 19:22.50 | Tm_T | err you can build it with X11 too |
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| 19:24.43 | laen | cd #openmoko-debian |
| 19:24.47 | laen | whoops :P |
| 19:25.17 | evolux | strange, i have libfftw3 installed in the toolchain but i cannot find a package file |
| 19:25.42 | evolux | i'm developing an application that depends on that package and copying the library manually to the FR works but i don't want to include it in the package |
| 19:25.52 | evolux | (in my own package) |
| 19:26.24 | jonkristian | evolux: are you sure it's called libfftw3 on fr? |
| 19:26.45 | evolux | jonkristian: opkg list | grep fftw gives no result on FDOM |
| 19:26.56 | jonkristian | hm |
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| 19:27.18 | jonkristian | evolux: sorry, not sure then. |
| 19:27.39 | jonkristian | dinnertime, at last:D |
| 19:28.34 | evolux | i have a file libfftw3-3.control in the toolchain, but I don't know where that's from... |
| 19:30.47 | evolux | hm, there is a package at angstrom-distribution.org |
| 19:31.20 | jonkristian | nemik: is the battery indicator always going up on qt for you? |
| 19:32.00 | nemik | always going up? what do you mean? |
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| 19:34.10 | jonkristian | nemik: like it's charging |
| 19:34.28 | jonkristian | nemik: even if usb isn't connected |
| 19:34.30 | nemik | yea, but only when it's charging |
| 19:34.35 | nemik | oh, no. not otherwise |
| 19:34.51 | jonkristian | hmz |
| 19:34.54 | nemik | maybe if i unplug though it might not stop that animation? i'll try that when i get home |
| 19:35.06 | nemik | should go away if you restart for sure though with the usb disconnected |
| 19:35.18 | jonkristian | nemik: it works if i unplug now, but last night it continued to indicate charging |
| 19:35.24 | jonkristian | yeah |
| 19:35.28 | nemik | strange |
| 19:35.33 | nemik | open sores software |
| 19:36.03 | jonkristian | yeah, also test, if you set the alarm, and set snooze a couple of times, and then turn of snooze, it'll continue to vibrate |
| 19:36.10 | tomboy64 | does someone know anything about openmoko-agpsui2? |
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| 19:37.36 | daramarak | Hello everybody |
| 19:38.29 | tomboy64 | hi |
| 19:38.37 | daramarak | I am flashing to 2008.9 now on a FR straight from the factory. Have backed up everything, should I also flash the uboot? |
| 19:39.27 | laen | Mwah. |
| 19:39.31 | laen | No real need. |
| 19:40.04 | daramarak | Ok, good. Sounds a bit scary. |
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| 19:40.53 | laen | Not really scary, unless you're flashing your NOR and don't have a debug board :) |
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| 19:41.52 | dolf1074 | You can't flash your Nor withour a debug board |
| 19:42.08 | laen | Which makes it scary if you do. |
| 19:42.10 | dolf1074 | so without a debug board, you're unable to brick your Neo FreeRunner just by flashing |
| 19:42.22 | Ke | openmoko.org has invalid info about symbian openness "A proprietary OS: Symbian is a closed source OS developed by Symbian Ltd," |
| 19:42.35 | Ke | afaik symbian is fully open source now |
| 19:42.48 | laen | Update the wiki then? |
| 19:43.13 | daramarak | ok, that is good then |
| 19:43.13 | Ke | does peer review agree? |
| 19:43.14 | Dave | Hallo |
| 19:43.17 | Dave | :D |
| 19:43.23 | laen | Hey schat :P |
| 19:43.30 | Dave | hey klootviool :P |
| 19:43.36 | laen | Hoe hangt t? |
| 19:43.39 | dolf1074 | lol |
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| 19:43.42 | Dave | :D |
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| 19:50.50 | Hiretto | dave lamer |
| 19:51.15 | spydon | sounds like that could have been his last name... |
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| 19:57.26 | TAsnn | how's shr, is it usable? |
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| 20:05.12 | Hiretto | TAsnn: if you want test it |
| 20:05.30 | TAsnn | i actually downloaded it |
| 20:05.36 | TAsnn | im just thinking whether to flash it |
| 20:05.40 | TAsnn | or put it on a memory card |
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| 20:09.24 | daramarak | is there a stopwatch application for the FR? |
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| 20:21.48 | daramarak | I have just flashed the 2008.9 image, now after booting it uses a long time flashing jffs2 messages over the screen, is this normal? |
| 20:22.58 | laen | hm? explain? |
| 20:23.09 | Wonka | i had that when i flashed a rootfs.tar instead of a rootfs.jffs2... |
| 20:23.32 | daramarak | oh, I might have done that.... |
| 20:23.35 | laen | hehe, yah offcourse :P |
| 20:23.49 | laen | no worries, flash it again with the right file, ending in .bin |
| 20:23.51 | daramarak | shutdown and try again |
| 20:26.31 | daramarak | I can use the jffs2 file then? |
| 20:27.10 | laen | ah ye that one |
| 20:28.05 | jonkristian | TAsnn: Isn't shr just bare bones? |
| 20:28.23 | daramarak | i am now using the rootfs.jffs2 and the ulimage.bin, then it is right? |
| 20:28.23 | jonkristian | TAsnn: I don't think i'd flash it:) |
| 20:28.28 | laen | jonkristian: wondering about that too, just read the site and wasn't impressed :) |
| 20:28.37 | TAsnn | jonkristian, haven't tried yet, though i assume it's the same as 2007.2 |
| 20:28.50 | jonkristian | Take a look at this, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 20:29.01 | laen | daramarak: uImage you mean, yes. |
| 20:29.05 | jonkristian | N/A Should explain alot, hehe |
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| 20:30.33 | laen | nerf, used the ballpoint instead of tip pen again |
| 20:34.51 | daramarak | The instance I noticed that there was a ballpoint and a tip pen, I knew I bound to do that mistake. |
| 20:36.51 | laen | didn't write with the tip-pen yet though :P |
| 20:37.05 | laen | and i allready emptied the battery after 4 days :P |
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| 20:37.57 | daramarak | Hehe, I am bound to do that to. Our cat keep chasing the laser around in the livingroom :) |
| 20:38.28 | laen | Yeah played with the Golden Retrievers of my gf with it :P |
| 20:41.58 | Sargun | How do you get your ICCID? |
| 20:44.13 | daramarak | Strange booting a jffs went much better than booting a tar.gz... |
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| 20:46.12 | ajuonline | mickeyl: around? |
| 20:48.18 | ajuonline | Sup3rkiddo: |
| 20:48.42 | daramarak | how do I do numbers on the 2008.9 keyboard? |
| 20:49.06 | SpeedEvil | dam: turn the phone upside down, that's what teh accelerometers are for. |
| 20:49.14 | SpeedEvil | (seriously,...) |
| 20:49.26 | SpeedEvil | I think it's an up-stroke from the letter or somethign |
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| 20:50.01 | jonkristian | daramarak: drag thumb vertical |
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| 20:52.07 | jonkristian | wonders if he should flash back to 2007.2 again |
| 20:52.32 | ajuonline | mickeyl: leaving you a pm. please respond whenever you are back. |
| 20:56.08 | spydon | jonkristian, have you tried illume-config? |
| 20:56.20 | jonkristian | spydon: yes |
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| 20:56.43 | spydon | jonkristian, then you are free to go back ^^ |
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| 20:57.44 | jonkristian | spydon: current status, qt-extended flashed and 2008.9 on sd |
| 20:58.17 | spydon | jonkristian, I see, how are qtopia working these days? :P |
| 20:58.19 | jonkristian | spydon: I have trouble with gps and wlan on both, so right now im not sure what to do |
| 20:58.54 | jonkristian | Pretty good, except it doesn't work with gps, bt or wlan, calling/sms works without problems. |
| 20:59.01 | spydon | hehe okay, I have no idea... Hack android into it? ;) |
| 20:59.06 | jonkristian | :D |
| 20:59.16 | jonkristian | spydon: what are you running? |
| 20:59.24 | spydon | 2008.9 :P |
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| 20:59.33 | jonkristian | spydon: flashed? |
| 20:59.44 | spydon | yes |
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| 20:59.52 | jonkristian | Im thinking about trying Qi, tried it? |
| 21:00.07 | spydon | what is it? :S |
| 21:00.14 | jonkristian | future bootloader |
| 21:00.21 | spydon | ah yeah I heard of that |
| 21:00.35 | q0b | has someone already tried to plug an umts usb stick into the fr (while usb is on hostmode with 5v power supply mode) .. is the hardware working? (w/o driver, just power and usb?) |
| 21:00.45 | spydon | improved the boottime quite a lot I heard |
| 21:00.50 | jonkristian | spydon: so it appears |
| 21:01.30 | jonkristian | spydon: hm, maybe i'll just flash 2008.9 , I got trouble with it after i added the angstrom feed |
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| 21:02.04 | spydon | jonkristian, yeah Ive had to reflash a couple of times because of the angstom feed too :P |
| 21:02.06 | jonkristian | I wanted to try navit, but after adding the feed, running opkg upgrade was using that repo, and now things are borked |
| 21:02.13 | jonkristian | sucks |
| 21:02.20 | spydon | yeah |
| 21:04.39 | jonkristian | do you have some kinda sync between the neo and your computer? |
| 21:05.18 | spydon | jonkristian, I only use scp but ive heard that there are some kind of sync app |
| 21:06.02 | jonkristian | I mean for syncing contacts and sms's and stuff like that |
| 21:06.32 | spydon | ah ok, hmm I don't know... |
| 21:07.11 | spydon | but they should be in a folder or file somewhere too... :P |
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| 21:08.45 | laen | http://www.xs4all.nl/~fambreg/freerunner/fr_usb_kabel.jpg |
| 21:09.04 | ronny | heh |
| 21:09.06 | ronny | nice |
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| 21:10.03 | jonkristian | good one |
| 21:10.15 | jonkristian | I want to use my bluetooth keyboard sooner or later:) |
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| 21:14.50 | jonkristian | Hm, adressbook is in home root folder, but where do sms's reside? |
| 21:15.08 | jonkristian | Im reading this, not sure how to backup sms'es, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup |
| 21:15.17 | viq | vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY" rev 0x00 |
| 21:15.26 | viq | er, wrong button ;) |
| 21:16.08 | jonkristian | :) |
| 21:16.38 | viq | jonkristian: I'dlook whether the same db file doesn't have messages too |
| 21:16.52 | jonkristian | hm |
| 21:17.46 | jonkristian | viq: ah, it's there, in Applications/qtmail |
| 21:17.52 | jonkristian | Time to flash:) |
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| 21:27.09 | daramarak | Ahh, 2008.9 is a great step forward from 2007 |
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| 21:30.39 | daramarak | Does illume config take a insane amount of time to install? |
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| 21:32.15 | jonsmith1982 | do it from the command line see if it prompts for anything. |
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| 21:33.11 | daramarak | Is it possible to cancel |
| 21:33.31 | jonsmith1982 | i dont think it matters it will just timeout. |
| 21:34.16 | jonsmith1982 | or just killall packagekitd. |
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| 21:41.32 | jonkristian | flashing will remove everything on the phone, right? |
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| 21:42.16 | jonkristian | I don't have to do any preparations like remove stuff beforehand? |
| 21:44.57 | spydon | you shouldn't have to do that if you dont have any separate partitions with stuff or something... |
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| 21:45.44 | jonkristian | I get error |
| 21:45.49 | jonkristian | No space left on device |
| 21:46.04 | jonkristian | I have stuff on the sd card |
| 21:46.20 | spydon | that shouldn't matter if you are flashing the phone... |
| 21:47.43 | Fougner | hey guys! how do I install Qt ? =) |
| 21:47.58 | Fougner | the usual way, with dfu-util? |
| 21:49.43 | jonkristian | Fougner: yeah, i like neotool |
| 21:50.25 | Fougner | jonkristian, thanks again ;D |
| 21:50.50 | Fougner | I can use mwester uImage then? |
| 21:50.54 | Fougner | for the kernel |
| 21:51.08 | jonkristian | Fougner: yes you can |
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| 21:51.17 | Fougner | goodie |
| 21:51.26 | jonkristian | Fougner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 21:51.29 | jonkristian | Under Images |
| 21:51.40 | Fougner | uhm, so, I guess Qt is the recommended sotware for daily use? |
| 21:51.42 | jonkristian | A good overview of recommendations |
| 21:51.57 | jonkristian | Fougner: I'm flasing from qt to 2008.9 at the moment |
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| 21:52.10 | dolf1074 | some people trying paroli? I don't get it started |
| 21:52.28 | dolf1074 | I get: EdjeLoadError: Does not exist (file='/home/root/paroli-read-only/data/themes/default/edje/paroli-default.edj', group='paroli_new') |
| 21:52.31 | jonkristian | I didn't like qt that much |
| 21:53.31 | TAsnn | cool shr has a cool splash |
| 21:53.50 | TAsnn | too bad i don't get to see the progress bar, it's too slow ;] |
| 21:54.04 | TAsnn | it still didn't even move a mm |
| 21:54.15 | TAsnn | oh, i guess it's not supposed to |
| 21:54.15 | TAsnn | ;] |
| 21:54.22 | TAsnn | got beyond that. |
| 21:54.51 | quickdev | TAsnn, it's known and will be fixed, but one after one :) |
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| 21:55.13 | TAsnn | hehe ok ;] |
| 21:55.14 | Fougner | jonkristian, okay, why? |
| 21:56.13 | Fougner | oh btw, what connection is it, for the GPS? |
| 21:57.48 | jonkristian | Fougner: Well, for one, bt/wlan and gps doesnt work |
| 21:57.56 | jonkristian | For the second, no cool apps |
| 21:58.12 | Fougner | aha, okay |
| 21:58.13 | jonkristian | For the third, i had no problems calling/sms'ing with 2008.9 |
| 21:58.24 | Fougner | well, GPS would come in handy |
| 21:58.26 | Fougner | okay.. |
| 21:58.29 | jonkristian | Yeah |
| 21:58.34 | Fougner | maybe I should stay with 8.9 then |
| 21:58.51 | Fougner | but what GPS-antenna should I use? |
| 21:58.56 | Fougner | I mean connection? =) |
| 21:59.17 | jonkristian | connection? |
| 21:59.33 | TAsnn | shit i installed shr and chose minimalist instead of illume ;] |
| 21:59.54 | Fougner | jonkristian, MMCX? |
| 21:59.55 | Fougner | MCX? |
| 21:59.58 | TAsnn | i chose to load the illume module from config, just rebooted let's hope everything will boot as expected |
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| 22:06.45 | TAsnn | i wonder', how can i fix it? |
| 22:09.29 | TAsnn | nvm, just cleaned the home dir. |
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| 22:14.39 | jonkristian | Fougner: not sure what you mean |
| 22:15.10 | jonkristian | spydon: turned out it was my laptop running out of space, hehehe, phew |
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| 22:18.28 | Fougner | jonkristian, you know, the GPS-jack, on the phone |
| 22:19.04 | spydon | jonkristian, hehe isnt that like worse then if the freerunner would run out of space? ;) |
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| 22:20.25 | jonkristian | spydon: :D |
| 22:20.39 | jonkristian | spydon: getting stuffed with all sorts of things in / |
| 22:20.50 | spydon | hehe I c ^^ |
| 22:20.59 | jonkristian | Since i now run gnome, i found it wise to erase everything related to kde |
| 22:21.01 | jonkristian | :D |
| 22:21.34 | spydon | hehe smart :P |
| 22:21.38 | jonkristian | Hm |
| 22:22.03 | jonkristian | I need some special norwegian characters, like æøå, any ideas if these are available for 2008.9 somewhere? |
| 22:25.27 | daramarak | Yeah, I would like to know that too :) |
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| 22:26.00 | jonkristian | daramarak: I found them in the same keyboard on qt-extended |
| 22:26.11 | jonkristian | but they're gone in 2008.9 |
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| 22:27.09 | daramarak | daramarak: Where have they gone... |
| 22:28.39 | daramarak | When I try to ssh into the FR I get a password challenge in 2008.9, the blank isn't working |
| 22:28.47 | jonkristian | hm |
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| 22:38.11 | TAsnn | damn, i added gadgets to the illume desktop in shr |
| 22:38.14 | TAsnn | how can i remove them? |
| 22:39.40 | jonkristian | Hm, there has to be a way to get the norwegian characters that are shipped with qt-extended over to 2008.9 |
| 22:41.21 | daramarak | Does any of the web browser actually work? |
| 22:41.38 | jonkristian | Have not tested, but they should |
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| 22:47.16 | Fougner | how do I get the mediaplayer to work in 2008.9 :| |
| 22:47.35 | Fougner | or is there a 3rd party alternate player available? =) |
| 22:47.45 | jonkristian | Gotta run out, friend wanted to play pool and drink, I can't say no to that, can i:D |
| 22:49.03 | jonkristian | Fougner: just add music to Documents/ |
| 22:49.19 | jonkristian | Fougner: if you installed it, it should be in the main menu |
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| 22:53.52 | Fougner | jonkristian, no, I mean, I got an errormessage when I tried to install it before |
| 22:56.31 | Fougner | jonkristian, how do I change keyboard layout in 2008.9 ? |
| 22:56.39 | Fougner | for example, in the terminal? |
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| 23:02.49 | raster | moo |
| 23:02.59 | laen | Fougner: opkg install illume config && /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 23:03.15 | Kensan | raster: evening |
| 23:03.26 | laen | That'll get you, for one, a nice querty keyboard. Search for keyboard on teh wiki. |
| 23:04.13 | raster | Kensan: no morning damnit! :) |
| 23:04.26 | Kensan | raster: rise and shine! *heh* |
| 23:04.51 | Kensan | raster: btw, Andy put the jffs2-gc patch in stable already. |
| 23:04.51 | laen | Rise and shine Mister Freeman, rise and shine.. |
| 23:04.59 | raster | wakie wakie hands off.... your keyboard |
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| 23:06.15 | Kensan | raster: once your "passion" for git is not so flamboyant anymore, give this a read: http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/ |
| 23:06.20 | Kensan | ;) |
| 23:06.55 | laen | Nice! |
| 23:07.00 | laen | Thanks Kensy :) |
| 23:07.19 | Kensan | wow, Kensy, that's a first. |
| 23:07.41 | laen | Thats what you get for posting such a cute link! :P |
| 23:07.49 | Kensan | doesn't like being called girly names |
| 23:08.03 | laen | Thanks Kensan :) |
| 23:08.20 | Kensan | waits for Dave's thunder of jokes |
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| 23:09.33 | laen | I guess Dave's kinda asleep. |
| 23:10.05 | KenYoung | Another hero fallen... |
| 23:10.57 | Kensan | maybe he got tired of his FR and bought an Android phone. |
| 23:11.14 | Kensan | waits for mwester's grand entry |
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| 23:36.33 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 23:36.47 | rysiek|pl | I cannot find it anywhere - is there python-pyqt for ASU? |
| 23:36.58 | rysiek|pl | or 2008.9 |
| 23:37.01 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4751 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/hif-can-do-async.patch: |
| 23:37.01 | CIA-50 | openmoko: Updated status of sync/async mode. |
| 23:37.01 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: remove obsolete CONFIG_AR6000_GTA02_DIRECT_IRQ |
| 23:37.01 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: we can do sync/async, but it doesn't always help |
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| 23:39.41 | SpeedEvil | ponders GTA03 cases http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-Kid-Tough-Digital-Frustration-Free-Packaging/dp/B001BLZ3YA |
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| 23:44.24 | Sargun | Where can I get a virgin uImage (kernel), uBoot (stable), Uboot-environment? |
| 23:44.27 | Wonka | SiNiESTrO: photobot? |
| 23:44.37 | Wonka | argh |
| 23:44.42 | SiNiESTrO | wrong nickname :D |
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| 23:44.52 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: photobot? or rather pixxotron? |
| 23:45.19 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: I was just wondering about one that was designed to be chewed and used to hammer things with. |
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| 23:58.39 | Fougner | when I try to install openmoko-mediaplayer, I get error "dep-resolution-" |
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