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| 00:55.44 | rysiek|pl | hmm |
| 00:55.49 | rysiek|pl | does xrandr work on debian? |
| 00:56.21 | Dave | :o |
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| 00:56.24 | Dave | doubt it |
| 00:56.42 | rysiek|pl | because? |
| 00:56.45 | rysiek|pl | fbdev? |
| 00:57.11 | d-b | it does. |
| 00:57.34 | rysiek|pl | d-b: well, I have a fresh debian install on my Neo here |
| 00:57.50 | rysiek|pl | and I get X Error of failed request (...) |
| 00:58.10 | rysiek|pl | upon trying to change orientation |
| 00:58.36 | d-b | it should be apt-get installable... --> see the wiki i guess |
| 00:59.02 | rysiek|pl | I have xrandr installed |
| 00:59.16 | rysiek|pl | but it fails miserably upon trying to change the orientation |
| 01:02.44 | Dave | :\ |
| 01:08.49 | _charly_ | is anyone else using shr and also has a broken enlightenment? error message is "Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files. Check Evas has PNG loader support." libevas-loader-png is installed |
| 01:10.59 | rysiek|pl | _charly_: is libpng3 installed? |
| 01:12.35 | _charly_ | rysiek|pl: it wasn't, but installing it doesn't fix the problem |
| 01:12.52 | rysiek|pl | I'm out of ideas then, sorry |
| 01:14.37 | _charly_ | thanks anyway, maybe the packages are broken? there was an update a few hours ago, after that i had this problem |
| 01:15.29 | raster | likely they are broken |
| 01:15.39 | rysiek|pl | yeah, pro'lly |
| 01:17.16 | Dave | RASTER |
| 01:17.40 | Dave | Are you responsible for all that new stuff on scap? :p |
| 01:17.44 | jonkristian | hm, the qtextended doesn't seem all that stable to me, how is 2008.9 compared to it? |
| 01:18.15 | raster | Dave: what new stuff? |
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| 01:18.40 | Dave | check it out |
| 01:18.54 | Dave | looks like it was pimped out |
| 01:20.47 | raster | kde? |
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| 01:22.03 | _charly_ | i think i will switch back to fso. with shr also had gps broken (maybe kernel or framework, now i have both from fso) |
| 01:22.45 | Dave | eh |
| 01:22.49 | Dave | it looks like yours |
| 01:23.49 | raster | which ones? |
| 01:24.20 | raster | i guess there are a bunch of illume ones |
| 01:24.28 | raster | ie illume as it is from upstream |
| 01:24.30 | raster | weel e |
| 01:24.34 | raster | as illume is now part of e |
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| 01:28.42 | tds | ciao |
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| 01:45.15 | _charly_ | what kernel of fso-testing is the latest? 2.6.24+r10.1 from 17-oct-2008 or 2.6.24+r10 from 23-oct-2008? |
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| 02:02.27 | Sargun | I've officially fueled over 1500 of investment in the FR |
| 02:02.52 | raster | how many did u buy? |
| 02:03.07 | Sargun | I bought 1 |
| 02:03.09 | Sargun | and a debug board |
| 02:03.15 | Sargun | I had work buy 3 |
| 02:03.30 | Sargun | Only 2 have arrived so far |
| 02:03.39 | Sargun | I really wonder what sales are like |
| 02:03.58 | KenYoung | Me too. |
| 02:04.44 | Sargun | KenYoung, me too to which one? |
| 02:05.10 | KenYoung | I too wonder how many Freerunners have been sold. |
| 02:05.21 | Sargun | ah |
| 02:05.22 | Sargun | eyah |
| 02:06.01 | Sargun | maybe we can get mickey|zzZZzz to tell us. ;-p |
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| 02:06.30 | KenYoung | I'm guessing ~10,000. |
| 02:06.38 | Sargun | Wow |
| 02:06.40 | Sargun | that many? |
| 02:06.45 | Sargun | I think 3500 |
| 02:06.49 | Sargun | or something |
| 02:07.48 | KenYoung | I remember some OM employee said it was > 5,000 a while ago. |
| 02:08.10 | Sargun | yeah |
| 02:08.17 | Sargun | I'd think so |
| 02:08.26 | Sargun | I mean, there is such a tiny audience. |
| 02:08.31 | Sargun | (no offense) |
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| 02:10.44 | Sargun | Though, the FR can be used from being a sex toy to a monitoring system |
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| 02:14.53 | Sargun | isn't that impressive? |
| 02:15.01 | Sargun | Did I scare everyone away? |
| 02:15.37 | KenYoung | Sargun, Are you developing code for either of those usage cases? |
| 02:15.49 | Sargun | uhm... |
| 02:15.51 | Sargun | uhm... |
| 02:16.06 | Sargun | can I refuse to answer that? |
| 02:16.34 | KenYoung | Sounds kinda closed-source to me. |
| 02:16.42 | Sargun | hehe |
| 02:16.45 | jonkristian | w00t! Only 5,000 ??? |
| 02:16.55 | jonkristian | Globally?? |
| 02:17.02 | Sargun | we're estimating. |
| 02:17.33 | KenYoung | jonkristian, I'lll bet that's the right number, world wide, within a factor of a few. |
| 02:17.44 | Sargun | KenYoung, are you interested in a vibrator that can be controlled from the other side of the world? |
| 02:17.54 | jonkristian | :D |
| 02:20.52 | KenYoung | It'll be interesting to see if Koolu actually starts selling Freerunners, because their site is advertising it as an Android phone with no cateats at all about "developers' only" etc. |
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| 02:21.15 | KenYoung | ooops caveats, not cateats. |
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| 02:21.54 | dns53 | they are doing the port i believe now android is open source, i think there are a few other developers trying to port it a well |
| 02:22.54 | KenYoung | dns53, But I suspect they will run into exactly the same suspend/resume, echo, buzz and battery life issues that the OM distributions have. |
| 02:23.31 | dns53 | yes, they would be using the same linux kernel just a different set of applications above that |
| 02:25.09 | uhsf | if my OM phone still miss many calls when the Android port is done i also might switch |
| 02:25.38 | KenYoung | uhsf, Switch to what? |
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| 02:27.42 | uhsf | to a more stable Android |
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| 02:27.56 | uhsf | even if i prefer the OM platform |
| 02:29.13 | jonkristian | Im using qtextended atm, how is compared to 2008.9? |
| 02:30.58 | KenYoung | jonkristian, There seems to be a general consensus that 2008.9 is more sluggish than qtextended. |
| 02:32.45 | jonkristian | KenYoung: ok, been trying to get wlan and bt working, but wlan / wep seems to make it crash |
| 02:32.49 | jonkristian | for now |
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| 06:41.20 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4737 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (27 files in 2 dirs): |
| 06:41.20 | CIA-50 | openmoko: Rebasing and cleanup. |
| 06:41.20 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - moved patches that are no longer used to attic/ |
| 06:41.20 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - removed support for SDIO over hardware-accelerated SPI |
| 06:41.21 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - rebased on latest stable-tracking |
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| 06:55.38 | slaxxin | my qt extended 4.4.2 has never rang |
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| 07:00.18 | dotmef | flashed 4.4.2 today and have received calls |
| 07:00.30 | dotmef | but with crazy feedback :D |
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| 08:38.22 | encephalitogenic | http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=5bc1d1661d9c1173c82772dc7af22070 |
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| 08:42.58 | guruwho | shr-testing doesn't build right now? e-wm-config-illume seems to be missing |
| 08:43.40 | starox__ | guruwho: you have to checkout origin/raster in openembedded |
| 08:44.27 | guruwho | starox__: thanks |
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| 08:50.33 | guruwho | starox__: any wiki as to where things go? |
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| 08:55.19 | starox__ | guruwho: No. I just try to build it yesterday and have the same trouble. Ainulindale helped me. |
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| 09:05.02 | quickdev | starox__, we will change the build process a bit today/tomorrow, because the current one doesn't get all recent e changes |
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| 09:07.31 | starox__ | quickdev: good ! I will test it asap. My build failed yesterday, but I wasn't sure if it was my fault. |
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| 09:08.19 | quickdev | starox__, it wasn't! :) |
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| 09:42.34 | tato | hi |
| 09:43.41 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4738 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (gta02-mmc-mci.patch hif-linux-sdio.patch): (log message trimmed) |
| 09:43.41 | CIA-50 | openmoko: Cleanup. |
| 09:43.41 | CIA-50 | openmoko: drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: |
| 09:43.41 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - MODULE_LICENSE is GPLv2, not just GPL |
| 09:43.41 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - added cleanup after initialization errors |
| 09:43.45 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - added partial cleanup on removal |
| 09:43.47 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - removed solved/obsolete problems from list of known bugs |
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| 09:47.00 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4739 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/hif-linux-sdio.patch: |
| 09:47.00 | CIA-50 | openmoko: More cleanup. Separate commit since this moves a lot of code but doesn't |
| 09:47.00 | CIA-50 | openmoko: change any functionality. |
| 09:47.00 | CIA-50 | openmoko: drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: |
| 09:47.00 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - moved HIF setup/takedown code closer down, where its Linux counterpart is |
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| 09:49.51 | dns53 | hi tato |
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| 09:52.37 | raster | starox__: dont bother with that branch. i can't seem to commit to it or update it |
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| 11:26.03 | admiral0 | hi |
| 11:26.13 | admiral0 | is there illume for debian? |
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| 11:54.37 | lindi- | amarsh04: nope |
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| 12:37.50 | frank0 | Does anyone know if neo freerunner ever will get a cam and 3G support? |
| 12:38.31 | lindi- | frank0: i don't think gta03 will be called freerunner |
| 12:39.07 | frank0 | lindi-: ? |
| 12:39.19 | lindi- | frank0: freerunner = gta02? |
| 12:39.22 | tomboy64 | frank0: i don't think gta03 will get 3g support. a cam is also unlikely. |
| 12:39.32 | tomboy64 | but possible |
| 12:39.38 | frank0 | tomboy64: okey, :( |
| 12:39.54 | lindi- | frank0: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/3gnettitikku1.jpg is your 3G |
| 12:40.23 | tomboy64 | frank0: oh, a camera is planned. |
| 12:40.28 | frank0 | tomboy64: oh it is? =) |
| 12:40.31 | frank0 | lindi-: lulz |
| 12:40.31 | tomboy64 | frank0: and at least edge should be supported then. |
| 12:40.38 | frank0 | yea |
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| 12:42.22 | tomboy64 | frank0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 |
| 12:42.26 | Shlee | frank0: Read the wiki for the revisional roadmap |
| 12:46.57 | frank0 | looks like im going to wait for GTA03 comes out |
| 12:50.20 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 12:50.37 | tomboy64 | frank0: wait for a stable os would be my recommendation |
| 12:50.44 | tomboy64 | so far that's the main issue |
| 12:50.53 | tomboy64 | the hardware is fine, the software not so |
| 12:50.53 | Ke | ! |
| 12:50.55 | frank0 | that + camera |
| 12:51.13 | tomboy64 | what does a cell need a cam for :-| |
| 12:52.00 | mjr | 'cause everyone else has one too |
| 12:52.17 | balrog | Openmoko Bug #2104: Morse code announcing who is calling or texting |
| 12:52.19 | balrog | heh |
| 12:52.40 | baze | a faster mobile connection and a better graphics chip than the glamo are thing i'm looking forward to. camera is not that important |
| 12:52.49 | tomboy64 | balrog: wtf? |
| 12:52.57 | baze | and the case shouldn't be that thick |
| 12:53.10 | tomboy64 | baze: the case is actually not that thick after all |
| 12:53.16 | baze | maybe |
| 12:53.22 | baze | it just looks like it |
| 12:53.34 | baze | never had a freerunner in my own hands, so maybe it's not that bad |
| 12:54.02 | leinir | It's not that bad, really, it feels nice and solid rather than fat :) |
| 12:54.05 | baze | the screen size looks ok too, imho. just the bevel sucks imho |
| 12:54.14 | leinir | Not sure how to explain that, that's just how it feels to me :) |
| 12:54.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | balrog: you're kidding, no? ;-D |
| 12:54.18 | baze | -1 imho o_0 |
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| 12:54.45 | leinir | Notice the difference between fat and solid there ;) |
| 12:54.57 | balrog | i'm afraid i'm not kidding this time :p |
| 12:55.01 | leinir | The iPhone just feels flimsy to me :) |
| 12:55.19 | leinir | The bevel, yes, that's kind of annoying, it *could* be somewhat smaller :) |
| 12:55.56 | baze | hopefully that's something they won't repeat with 03 |
| 12:56.03 | frank0 | 13:50:52 tomboy64 >> what does a cell need a cam for :-| <> Because i use the cam |
| 12:56.12 | tomboy64 | what for? |
| 12:56.20 | leinir | tomboy64: For example for reading 2D barcodes :) |
| 12:56.47 | tomboy64 | that might be a valid reason |
| 12:56.51 | tomboy64 | but about the only one |
| 12:57.04 | frank0 | take pictures with it ofcouse |
| 12:57.06 | leinir | They're becoming uqitutous here in Denmark... They show up in more and more places :) |
| 12:57.13 | frank0 | i take pictures of landsscapes, cars etc |
| 12:57.16 | frank0 | with the phone i gots now |
| 12:57.22 | frank0 | when i dont have my camera with me |
| 12:57.26 | leinir | Scanning business cards |
| 12:57.35 | leinir | Take picture of the person you just added to your contact list |
| 12:57.40 | tomboy64 | mhm ... business cards |
| 12:57.42 | tomboy64 | good idea |
| 12:58.37 | frank0 | leinir: yup |
| 12:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | balrog: .-- - ..-. ..--.. ..--- .---- ----- ....- ... ..- -.-. -.- ... ...-.- |
| 12:59.51 | baze | i just hope that gta03 won't have a smaller screen... |
| 13:00.11 | leinir | tomboy64: You see, this is stuff that works for others, very valid uses for a camera in a mobile phone that have been highlighted to me by numerous others when looking at it... "Why doesn't it have a camera, I wanted to write <software concept which makes use of camera> for it!" |
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| 13:00.43 | frank0 | lulz |
| 13:01.05 | frank0 | but |
| 13:01.09 | frank0 | for the price it comes for |
| 13:01.11 | tomboy64 | leinir: i'd rather have working mms-support/gprs/bluetooth headset before the camera :) |
| 13:01.15 | frank0 | you can buy a brand new nokia or sony ericson |
| 13:01.21 | frank0 | with camera,3g etc |
| 13:01.45 | leinir | tomboy64: That's software, not hardware... and these people won't be writing that stuff, because they aren't interested ;) |
| 13:02.00 | leinir | Welcome to OpenSource, the most selfish development methodology in the world ;) |
| 13:02.09 | tomboy64 | ^^ |
| 13:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | frank0: OM surely can't compete in price with a phone that's built on 100* larger numbers and doesn't care to use open chips |
| 13:02.38 | ulf | tomboy64: i have gprs running with om2008.9 |
| 13:02.53 | ulf | tomboy64: follow this link http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295 |
| 13:03.04 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4740 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (hif-linux-sdio.patch sdio-add-atheros-ar6k.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:03.04 | CIA-50 | openmoko: More cleanup. Make the ar6k driver work as a module. |
| 13:03.04 | CIA-50 | openmoko: sdio-add-atheros-ar6k.patch: |
| 13:03.04 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - moved Atheros and AR6k SDIO IDs to include/linux/mmc/sdio_ids.h |
| 13:03.04 | CIA-50 | openmoko: drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: |
| 13:03.08 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - explain why we can't make the io thread TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE |
| 13:03.10 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - upon removal, wait for the request queue to drain |
| 13:03.27 | tomboy64 | ulf: i don't want it simply running, i want a gui along with it |
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| 13:03.56 | balrog | --- -- --. |
| 13:03.57 | tomboy64 | ulf: and i've been there. failed at getting the muxer done for shr |
| 13:04.06 | frank0 | 596.77600 U.S. dollars |
| 13:04.09 | muxe | uh highlight ^^ |
| 13:04.12 | jonkristian | What are most of you guys running now, 2008.8 or 2008.9? |
| 13:04.13 | frank0 | will the phone cost for me |
| 13:04.13 | ulf | tomboy64: there is gui with it where you can activate and deactivate it, i have it |
| 13:04.23 | balrog | DocScrutinizer: ^.^ |
| 13:04.25 | tomboy64 | muxe: your fault, i'd say :) |
| 13:04.31 | muxe | ;) |
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| 13:04.43 | tomboy64 | ulf: i read it |
| 13:04.58 | tomboy64 | right now i want to get shr ready and working before i do more experimenting |
| 13:08.17 | jonkristian | For the freerunner, which of these should i get? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 or Om2008.9.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
| 13:10.12 | ulf | jonkristian: depends what you want do do, installing on SD or flashing on internal flash? |
| 13:10.43 | ulf | jonkristian: ah no, sorry, the files you showed are the same |
| 13:11.05 | jonkristian | ulf: I have qt-extended, but now i want to test the latest/greatest:) |
| 13:11.17 | jonkristian | So booting from sd:) |
| 13:11.46 | ulf | jonkristian: then i would say you want the .tar.gz files not jffs2 |
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| 13:12.40 | jonkristian | ulf: i have to flash the uimage to get etx2 on the sd, right? |
| 13:12.54 | ulf | jonkristian: otherwise you have to create the tar.gz files from the .jffs2 file, you could leave the step away if you directly download the .tar.gz |
| 13:13.15 | jonkristian | i see |
| 13:13.28 | ulf | no, if you want to install om on SD you don't need to flash anything |
| 13:13.48 | jonkristian | ulf: ok, sorry, i thought uImage was the bootloader |
| 13:15.04 | jonkristian | But should i flash u-boot then, to get it to boot ext2 |
| 13:15.45 | ulf | jonkristian: you can also format the first patition as vfat |
| 13:15.50 | ulf | jonkristian: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 13:16.07 | ulf | jonkristian: start at Prepare the SD card |
| 13:16.28 | jonkristian | Yeah, that's the one im looking at |
| 13:17.03 | jonkristian | However, better to flash now, and get it overwith, than to always have to take in measures that the bootloader doesn't support ext2 |
| 13:18.17 | ulf | jonkristian: ok, thats the way i choose too |
| 13:18.33 | jonkristian | where would i find the latest uboot anyways? |
| 13:19.15 | ulf | jonkristian: i would look at the stable releases at the distributon page on the buttom |
| 13:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin ? |
| 13:19.48 | jonkristian | is that stable? |
| 13:19.50 | ulf | jonkristian: here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images |
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| 13:20.46 | jonkristian | oh, cool, thanks ulf |
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| 13:22.30 | jonkristian | ulf: you on 2008.9 ? |
| 13:23.00 | ulf | jonkristian: yes |
| 13:23.32 | ulf | i also tested 2008.8 but changed back to 2008.9 |
| 13:23.48 | jonkristian | That's the one im trying too, i flashed qt-extended last night, however it got it's limitations. |
| 13:25.42 | ulf | i have qte4.4.2 on the phone and om2008.9 on sd and i have another sd with debian |
| 13:26.27 | ulf | jonkristian: at the moment i'm trying to get my usb keyboard running under om2008.9 |
| 13:26.45 | ulf | jonkristian: which works with debian |
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| 13:28.07 | ulf | if someone would give me a hint what i need to do to get my usb keyboard running with om2008.9 i would be happy |
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| 13:30.07 | jonkristian | ulf: no idea, i just got my fr. I saw something regarding bt keyboards but can't remember where. |
| 13:30.11 | jonkristian | bbs |
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| 13:46.36 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rbf385727c1f5 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:46.36 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add fsod bindings |
| 13:46.36 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Pass the service object to the factory |
| 13:46.36 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: TODO: find a way to extract the bus object and pass it on the DBus objects to be exported |
| 13:46.39 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) More error checking in the plugin manager |
| 13:46.41 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r9ab5e9884839 10/fsod/ (8 files in 5 dirs): |
| 13:46.44 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add main.vala |
| 13:46.46 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) create a new convenience library for service (Should this be a dynamically loaded object instead) |
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| 13:53.25 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8212e7377736 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/pyglet/ (linux.py linux_const.py): odeviced: enhance linux input system support |
| 13:53.25 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r903152ab0efd 10/ (ChangeLog framework/controller.py framework/frameworkd): |
| 13:53.25 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: * remove option parsing out of controller, into frameworkd |
| 13:53.25 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: * add command line option for profiling with the python-hotshot profiler |
| 13:53.27 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re8c255cd774e 10/ (ChangeLog framework/frameworkd framework/lsprofcalltree.py): |
| 13:53.30 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: use cProfile to profile and import http://www.gnome.org/~johan/lsprofcalltree.py, |
| 13:53.32 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: that way we can view our profile output in kCacheGrind |
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| 14:04.01 | jonkristian | ulf: u there? |
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| 14:04.01 | ulf | jonkristian: yes |
| 14:05.06 | jonkristian | When i do grep Bootloader /dev/mtdblock0 |
| 14:05.09 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4741 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (gta02-mmc-mci.patch hif-linux-sdio.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:05.09 | CIA-50 | openmoko: Yet more cleanup. Avoid the traps that break module unloading. |
| 14:05.09 | CIA-50 | openmoko: drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: |
| 14:05.09 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - removed MODULE_LICENSE since it's already in ar6000_drv.c |
| 14:05.09 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - removed MODULE_AUTHOR since I'm only to blame for a tiny fraction of the code |
| 14:05.13 | CIA-50 | openmoko: in the module :-) |
| 14:05.15 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - HIFShutDownDevice: don't use the trojan "hif" NULL pointer ... |
| 14:05.20 | jonkristian | I get Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 |
| 14:05.29 | jonkristian | Is that correct, for the latest stable of fr? |
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| 14:07.56 | ulf | jonkristian: yes, i get the same and i boots ;o) |
| 14:08.11 | ulf | jonkristian: s/i/it/ |
| 14:08.17 | jonkristian | ok, thanks for checking |
| 14:08.36 | jonkristian | I just rebooted from nand to make sure it got all changes or whatever, hehe. |
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| 14:16.55 | jonkristian | ulf: using ext2 on SD? |
| 14:17.17 | jonkristian | It's faster than fat i assume |
| 14:22.30 | ulf | jonkristian: i have 2 partitions on sd, the first is ext2 with the uImage.bin and the second is the rootfs i formated it with ext3 but in the boot messages i saw that it gets always mounted as ext2 |
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| 14:27.30 | kd8ikt | default u-boot env? |
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| 14:49.37 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rf91653eebf87 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: initial status for every LED is 'off' |
| 14:49.37 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r69ac1421799f 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: shutdown modem on close() call |
| 14:49.47 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r097f027ec809 10/framework/subsystems/ (odeviced/kernel26.py ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' |
| 14:50.09 | Zorkman | anyone tested the qtopia 4.4.2?? |
| 14:50.14 | Zorkman | is the bouncing calypso bug fixed? |
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| 14:51.06 | slaxxin | yes it is |
| 14:51.18 | Zorkman | and does it work? :) |
| 14:51.35 | lindi- | slaxxin: i thought it was only a workaround and increased power consuption? |
| 14:51.41 | slaxxin | an its supposed to be fixed is 2008.9 testing jffs2 image |
| 14:52.03 | slaxxin | well i dont see that [roblem |
| 14:52.30 | slaxxin | i have no testing equip though |
| 14:52.47 | slaxxin | my ringer dont work |
| 14:53.00 | Zorkman | lindi-: yes, basically it's just an AT command, so that prevents deep sleep i think, so not a real sollution |
| 14:53.08 | Zorkman | have you any idea of the impact on battery life? |
| 14:53.23 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.09 | slaxxin | my 4.4.2 goes to suspend,wakes up an has no reregistering bug |
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| 14:54.40 | Zorkman | slaxxin: and resume from call also works? heard someone on the ML who said it didn't |
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| 14:55.14 | slaxxin | u mean recieve a call while in suspend? |
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| 14:55.40 | Zorkman | yes, and if the phone wakes up in time and plays the ringtone to answer the phone |
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| 14:55.59 | slaxxin | i have no ring at all |
| 14:56.31 | slaxxin | yes it did work |
| 14:56.46 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.03 | Zorkman | is that the way you chose it to be? or is it a bug? |
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| 15:03.54 | slaxxin | its a bug |
| 15:04.08 | slaxxin | i cant make the ringer come on |
| 15:04.12 | ulf | jonkrist1an: ha, usb keyboard works, now i need to change the layout to german ;o) |
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| 15:04.34 | ulf | slaxxin: with qte 4.4.2? |
| 15:05.08 | ulf | slaxxin: for me the freerunner rings with qte 4.4.2 |
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| 15:05.36 | dario__ | hi everyone, i'd like to extract a file from a backup jffs2 image, can anyone explain me how to do that? |
| 15:06.04 | ulf | dario__: mount it than you can cd into the filesystem |
| 15:06.33 | slaxxin | 4.4.2 |
| 15:07.05 | dario__ | ulf mount -t auto *.jffs2 /dir/ is working ? |
| 15:07.06 | slaxxin | maybe i need to md5sum it |
| 15:07.17 | ulf | dario__: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loopback_device_.28Kernel_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 |
| 15:07.55 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra8d607e8c217 10/docs/ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem: docs: update calypso docs with some new (hard to believe) issues |
| 15:07.56 | dario__ | ulf: i looked at that page, but i haven't understood |
| 15:08.46 | ulf | dario__: i used the script http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/8/82/Mntjffs.sh and works without problems for me |
| 15:08.54 | laen | Hmmm i might be forgetting a step. Just put a clean rootfs of OM 2008.9 on it, connected with USB, set the sysctl ipv4 forward, and put the nameserver's in the neo's resolv.conf, ad it still can't resolve.. anyone? |
| 15:09.27 | ulf | laen: can you ping the nameservers address? |
| 15:09.34 | dario__ | ulf: i'll try it without knowing what i am doing, then :) |
| 15:09.44 | laen | ulf: nope. |
| 15:10.02 | laen | I can ping the whole lan though, but nothing on the wan |
| 15:10.06 | ulf | laen: then, how should it resolv anything? |
| 15:10.20 | ulf | laen: nat is missing on the pc |
| 15:10.33 | ulf | laen: or wrong configured |
| 15:10.34 | laen | Offcourse it won't, but i'm trying to figure out what happened cause nothing changed on the p :) |
| 15:11.04 | jonkristian | Alright, im here, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD i got ext2 for boot and kernel, i followed Boot entry for ext2 kernel+ext2 rootfs partitions: (requires newer u-boot) , however i don't see a new entry like this, any ideas? |
| 15:11.28 | ulf | laen: do you add iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 to you pc? |
| 15:11.29 | jonkristian | and ofcourse, i did a printenv which showed my entry correctly and saveenv |
| 15:11.46 | laen | ulf: no iptables on this pc |
| 15:11.48 | Zorkman | jonkristian: maybe you are booting into NOR in stead of NAND? |
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| 15:12.01 | jonkristian | Zorkman: I think i am |
| 15:12.05 | jonkristian | Zorkman: how to go NAND? |
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| 15:12.17 | Zorkman | hold AUX and then POWER |
| 15:12.22 | Zorkman | i mean hold power and then aux |
| 15:12.23 | Zorkman | sorry |
| 15:12.24 | jonkristian | hm, that's what i did |
| 15:12.26 | jonkristian | ah |
| 15:12.28 | jonkristian | cool |
| 15:12.42 | jonkristian | sweet, hope this works:D |
| 15:12.45 | ulf | jonkristian: depends what you press first |
| 15:12.48 | d-b | press and hold aux then press power. |
| 15:12.51 | d-b | :) |
| 15:12.53 | jonkristian | yeah, i didn't know that, thanks |
| 15:13.20 | Zorkman | the NOR is your fail-safe u-boot, in case you screw your NAND |
| 15:13.38 | jonkristian | hm, i press power and then aux, nothing happens |
| 15:13.49 | jonkristian | i get a small noise from the speakr |
| 15:14.03 | Zorkman | you have to wait a while |
| 15:14.12 | Zorkman | the sound is comming from a capacitator discharging i think |
| 15:14.33 | Zorkman | prow and hold power, then press and hold aux, wait 5-10sec and it will come up |
| 15:14.34 | ulf | jonkristian: here is a link to the NAND N |
| 15:14.39 | ulf | OR http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 15:14.46 | jonkristian | does it go directly into kernel boothing? |
| 15:15.35 | Zorkman | jonkristian: no it will boot up (your modified) u-boot |
| 15:15.56 | jonkristian | ok, i think i didn't hold the aux long enough, it booted flash img |
| 15:16.11 | jonkristian | anyways, ill try again, if something is wrong though, will i get a notice, or will it just not work? |
| 15:17.15 | Zorkman | i don't know |
| 15:17.50 | laen | ulf: Ah, found it, had IP masquerading turned off. Thanks though :) |
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| 15:18.44 | jonkristian | hm, i got into nand, however the only entries i see are Boot at the top, and Boot from FAT |
| 15:19.54 | Zorkman | you can 1) reflash/update your u-boot or 2) edit it manually again |
| 15:19.54 | jonkristian | ah, i did the setenv stuff in NOR |
| 15:20.06 | Zorkman | jonkristian: did you update your u-boot first? |
| 15:20.09 | jonkristian | Zorkman: yeah |
| 15:20.14 | ulf | jonkristian: i thing boot from fat is now able to boot from ext2 |
| 15:20.18 | Zorkman | k, then just re-edit them in nand |
| 15:20.28 | ulf | jonkristian: it's just the name of the entry |
| 15:20.55 | ulf | jonkristian: there are scripts and doku on openmoko how to edit NAND entrys |
| 15:21.03 | jonkristian | ulf: i am booting from ext2 |
| 15:21.15 | ulf | jonkristian: so it works |
| 15:21.19 | jonkristian | ulf: no |
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| 15:21.35 | jonkristian | I mean, that's what im setting up, ext2, not fat |
| 15:21.42 | jonkristian | ulf: are you booting from fat? |
| 15:21.58 | ulf | jonkristian: no from ext2 |
| 15:22.10 | jonkristian | ulf: and you didn't have to add any entries? |
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| 15:22.36 | ulf | jonkristian: i used i script which changes the NAND entry's |
| 15:22.48 | ulf | jonkristian: wait i will have a look |
| 15:23.46 | jonkristian | Ok, thanks. Btw, since I did this in NOR instead of NAND, is there a way to reset that entry, i didn't see it though. |
| 15:24.45 | Zorkman | jonkristian: you can't write to NOR, not withouth a debug board |
| 15:25.00 | jonkristian | Zorkman: ok, so no harm done:) |
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| 15:25.38 | ulf | jonkristian: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner -> start reading at "Adjusting your uBoot environment" i used the script configure-uboot.sh from there |
| 15:25.45 | jonkristian | I got this when logging in to tty, Unrecognized hardware revision 0x305. Defaulting to GTA02v6. |
| 15:25.52 | jonkristian | Anything I should care about? |
| 15:26.02 | jonkristian | ulf: thanks:) |
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| 15:30.23 | jonkristian | sweet |
| 15:30.44 | jonkristian | It's working:) Thanks guys, i appreciate helping me out! |
| 15:31.10 | ulf | np :o) |
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| 15:58.57 | jonkristian | Hm |
| 15:58.59 | jonkristian | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer |
| 15:58.59 | jonkristian | Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 15:59.03 | jonkristian | Any ideas? |
| 15:59.13 | jonkristian | ssh'ing to the phone via usb |
| 15:59.33 | nio_ | maybe another opkg process is running? |
| 15:59.52 | darkjames | kill packagekitd |
| 15:59.57 | jonkristian | ah |
| 16:00.02 | jonkristian | got it, thanks:) |
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| 16:03.45 | christophe | Hi ! |
| 16:04.00 | nio_ | Hello! |
| 16:04.29 | christophe | i have an issue when trying to bitbake qt4-x11-free |
| 16:05.18 | christophe | it's with the glib : it can't find the libatomic.la |
| 16:05.31 | christophe | is somebody able to help me ? |
| 16:12.24 | nio_ | Sorry, I've no clue. |
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| 16:15.49 | christophe | ok tks |
| 16:19.12 | jonkristian | hm, phone just blacks after a while |
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| 16:25.19 | Dave | hehe |
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| 16:26.55 | Dave | Holy snap, it's 8:30! |
| 16:27.06 | Dave | hooray for timehax |
| 16:27.08 | Tm_T | it's not |
| 16:27.17 | Tm_T | 1826.55 < Dave> Holy snap, it's 8:30! |
| 16:27.20 | Tm_T | ;--P |
| 16:27.24 | Dave | o_O |
| 16:27.35 | Dave | man, what craaaaaaaaazy country do YOU live in? :P |
| 16:27.41 | Dave | austria? |
| 16:27.45 | Tm_T | nope |
| 16:27.52 | Dave | farthere? |
| 16:28.02 | Tm_T | behind Snowy Mountains |
| 16:28.08 | Dave | :DD |
| 16:28.09 | Tm_T | aka "eastern Finland" |
| 16:28.17 | Dave | :O |
| 16:29.17 | Dave | Suomi!? |
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| 16:29.41 | Tm_T | Dave: Suomi indeed |
| 16:29.49 | Dave | :DDD |
| 16:30.00 | Dave | mitä kuuluu? |
| 16:30.00 | Tm_T | and in the most eastern part of it |
| 16:30.06 | Tm_T | hyvää kuuluu, kiitos |
| 16:30.11 | Dave | :D |
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| 16:30.22 | Dave | ole hyvä |
| 16:30.38 | Tm_T | miten itsellänne on pullat uunissa? |
| 16:31.29 | Dave | I don't know that much, Tmt :P |
| 16:31.53 | Tm_T | heh, a bit tricky way to ask "how's it going?" |
| 16:31.57 | Dave | Just some expressions and basic grammar |
| 16:32.01 | Dave | ah :D |
| 16:32.03 | Tm_T | heh |
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| 16:32.13 | Dave | honestly, the grammar is confusing enough :D |
| 16:32.15 | Tm_T | "how is your bums in oven?" |
| 16:32.19 | Tm_T | I can imagine |
| 16:32.20 | Dave | rofl :D |
| 16:33.13 | Dave | Pidätkö oluesta? |
| 16:33.28 | Tm_T | vain hyvästä, pieninä annoksina |
| 16:33.40 | Dave | :D |
| 16:33.56 | Dave | cool |
| 16:34.41 | Dave | rakastan norjalaisia :p |
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| 16:35.22 | Tm_T | ok that was a bit too much for me, I need coffee -> |
| 16:35.34 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 16:35.35 | Tm_T | (;) |
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| 16:39.16 | jonkristian | If i boot 2008.9 from sd card, do i also have to install packages to that card for them to work, like browsers etc...? |
| 16:42.05 | Dave | uhh, probably :D |
| 16:42.18 | jonkristian | nvmnd, it worked |
| 16:42.19 | jonkristian | :) |
| 16:42.20 | Dave | In other news... DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. |
| 16:42.31 | Tm_T | Dave: Doom2 ?! |
| 16:42.37 | Dave | DOOM |
| 16:42.50 | Tm_T | bah |
| 16:43.07 | hama_ | openarena? ;) |
| 16:43.14 | Dave | openpandora? :D |
| 16:43.20 | Dave | qwtf? :D |
| 16:43.24 | Tm_T | still has doom door opening sound ringing in his head |
| 16:43.31 | Dave | :P |
| 16:43.34 | Tm_T | his/her/its |
| 16:43.55 | Dave | o_O |
| 16:44.08 | hama_ | want it dontopenpandora? |
| 16:44.12 | hama_ | wasnt |
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| 16:54.41 | Dave | haha |
| 16:54.45 | Dave | tell that to raster, hama ;p |
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| 16:56.19 | chaos_ | hi! |
| 16:57.35 | chaos_ | can anybody help me please with my keyboard?! ... i installed the illume keyboard and also the matchbox keyboard, but after some hours om always switches back to the default keyboard and i can't access any other keyboard |
| 16:58.37 | Dave | o_O |
| 16:58.46 | Dave | did you first make sure to remove whatever the default keyboard was? |
| 16:59.46 | chaos_ | i did the following command: "opkg remove -force-depends multitap-pad" and it said: "No package removed." |
| 17:02.14 | Dave | hmmm |
| 17:02.14 | chaos_ | any idea? |
| 17:02.55 | chaos_ | when i restart the x server, it works for several hours (switching to terminal keyboard) |
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| 17:04.47 | Dave | hmm |
| 17:04.59 | Dave | but then everytime it resets, the old keyboard somehow returns? o_O |
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| 17:05.45 | chaos_ | yes |
| 17:06.24 | Dave | Weird |
| 17:06.33 | Dave | Is this 2008.9? |
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| 17:08.45 | chaos_ | yes it is |
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| 17:16.16 | laen | Is there anything known that when you try to start eth0 with wpa_supplicant configured in /etc/network/interfaces, the freerunner hangs? |
| 17:17.20 | Dave | hmm |
| 17:17.48 | laen | After the IOCTL messages, it stalls and gotta remove the battery. |
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| 17:19.27 | Dave | holy shit |
| 17:19.29 | Dave | :z |
| 17:19.31 | Dave | :x |
| 17:20.19 | laen | ? |
| 17:24.36 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4742 10/developers/werner/bin/authorize-me: authorize-me: set up a Neo to accept password-less login over SSH. |
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| 17:35.36 | lindi- | sound scary ) |
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| 17:46.39 | Dave | Viruses |
| 17:48.38 | guruwho | needs some vitamin C |
| 17:48.45 | guruwho | or perhaps c++ |
| 17:49.10 | guruwho | (less bugs) |
| 17:49.19 | Dave | More C++ please. |
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| 17:52.32 | laen | Oh ffs, the freerunner freezes every 5 minutes with Om2008.9, how can anyone work with that. |
| 17:53.03 | Dave | You can't! :D |
| 17:53.06 | lindi- | laen: freezes in what way? |
| 17:53.14 | Dave | apparently hard. |
| 17:53.22 | Dave | He said he has to remove the battery. |
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| 17:53.36 | lindi- | laen: backlight? ping? |
| 17:53.51 | laen | lindi-: as in, the screen is there, butno interaction possible, no connection through usb possible anymore.. AUX turns red. And unpingable. |
| 17:54.33 | laen | And that happens when i try to start eth0, when i do something in illume-config configuration menu.. |
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| 17:54.46 | laen | And sometimes completely at random. |
| 17:55.10 | laen | And sometimes even at startup when it tries to start the X server. |
| 17:55.13 | laen | Like now. |
| 17:55.14 | lindi- | laen: turns red but does not blink? |
| 17:55.24 | laen | Doesn't blink indeed. |
| 17:56.01 | lindi- | laen: if you stop X can you reproduce it? without X you might see some errors on the screen |
| 17:56.33 | Dave | :) |
| 17:56.34 | laen | Gonna do more without X now indeed. Who knows. |
| 17:56.49 | Dave | lindi, like starting eth0 without X? :) |
| 17:56.56 | lindi- | Dave: ? |
| 17:57.18 | laen | Dave: Well, starting eth0 through usb is bad too, since usb0 and eth0 up together hangs it too. |
| 17:57.26 | laen | But hey, lets try, what is there to lose. |
| 17:57.39 | laen | I can see why people go for Debian. |
| 17:57.40 | lindi- | laen: take a photo if you get errors |
| 17:57.48 | guruwho | laen: do you have a usb keyboard? |
| 17:57.50 | lindi- | laen: what you have sounds like a kernel issue |
| 17:58.02 | lindi- | laen: so we are all in the same boat anyway :) |
| 17:58.31 | laen | Well, i didn't update the uBoot, just updated the kernel image and rootfs.. is the uBoot recommended? |
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| 17:59.20 | Dave | :x |
| 17:59.29 | Dave | rooly: vala vala vala |
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| 17:59.57 | rooly | yo yo yo |
| 18:01.02 | lindi- | laen: uboot probably does not matter if you have already booted successfully |
| 18:01.05 | laen | K, thats a lot of kernel errors coming by. |
| 18:01.11 | lindi- | laen: good |
| 18:01.19 | Dave | crap, my freerunner died agan |
| 18:01.21 | Dave | again |
| 18:01.28 | laen | No, cause it allready scrolled a whole screen lindi- :) |
| 18:01.36 | Dave | haha |
| 18:01.42 | Dave | quick, they're escaping! |
| 18:01.51 | lindi- | laen: get video camera :) |
| 18:02.00 | Dave | hahaha |
| 18:02.09 | Dave | oh great, I can see it now... on youtube. -_- |
| 18:02.13 | laen | Damn yeah. Well, guess that _is_ an idea. |
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| 18:02.23 | lindi- | laen: or add delay to printk |
| 18:02.27 | Dave | hilarious - technology at it's best! |
| 18:02.32 | PBeck | hallo |
| 18:03.02 | laen | I'd have to install a webcam though. |
| 18:03.14 | Dave | wtfparadox |
| 18:04.11 | lindi- | laen: you could put the photo of the last lines too |
| 18:04.11 | Dave | thinks he should setup a livestreaming server for his "ErrorCam" |
| 18:04.12 | Dave | lindi, or use a digicam in 10x burst mode :D |
| 18:04.12 | laen | But as far as i can see it's.. timer interrupt from handle_IRQ_event, more IRQ stuff, and ioctl stuff. And i don't have a camera :P |
| 18:04.16 | lindi- | laen: rright |
| 18:04.21 | laen | hehe |
| 18:04.23 | Dave | so, uhh... |
| 18:04.28 | lindi- | laen: then it's pretty difficult to do much about it |
| 18:04.31 | Dave | dwaaaaaaaaaaas -_- |
| 18:04.33 | laen | True. |
| 18:04.53 | laen | Lets see if there's other stuff to try first. Is there a uBoot image you recommend? |
| 18:05.06 | Dave | the latest? |
| 18:05.18 | lindi- | uboot is not yet packaged in debian :) |
| 18:05.27 | laen | Don't have debian yet :) |
| 18:06.21 | lindi- | laen: i just mean that i don't know what to recommend since it's not in debian yet ;) |
| 18:06.46 | laen | Oh does debian have the acceleromeblabla stuff btw? |
| 18:07.02 | lindi- | laen: sure |
| 18:07.06 | laen | Nice. |
| 18:07.13 | lindi- | laen: linux is in debian |
| 18:07.21 | laen | debian is linux |
| 18:07.25 | Dave | huhu |
| 18:07.27 | lindi- | ii linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02 20080903.git2ea34171-2 Linux 2.6.24 kernel image for the Openmoko N |
| 18:07.42 | laen | Ah look o look :) |
| 18:08.05 | laen | You know what the weird thing is.. i had the freerunner working on Wifi (just not getting an IP but that didn't matter offcourse). |
| 18:08.06 | lindi- | laen: well, i was running debian before linux for openmoko was in debian |
| 18:08.33 | lindi- | laen: i think i installed debian before the official installation instructions were even up :) |
| 18:08.43 | laen | lindi-: sweet :) |
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| 18:09.36 | lindi- | hmm, actually, it's not in official debian yet. only pkg-fso repo |
| 18:10.05 | laen | Think i'm gonna try the 2008.08 kernel instead of the 2008.9 and see what that brings us. |
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| 18:12.03 | Dave | laen, I heard it's better. |
| 18:12.16 | laen | Where did you hear? |
| 18:12.19 | Dave | You didn't hear it from me though :D |
| 18:12.45 | Ke | pats Dave |
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| 18:12.57 | Dave | :D |
| 18:13.07 | Dave | terve |
| 18:13.16 | Ke | hi |
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| 18:13.26 | Dave | Oh great, it's Hire ~_~ |
| 18:13.34 | Hire1 | ah ah |
| 18:13.39 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 18:14.17 | Hire1 | i am tired |
| 18:14.32 | Hire1 | just returned to home |
| 18:15.13 | Dave | Good |
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| 18:15.26 | Dave | Now we will depress you even more with the lamentations of openmoko |
| 18:16.09 | Hire1 | oh yes |
| 18:16.12 | Hire1 | it crashed ... |
| 18:16.15 | Hire1 | 0 times :o |
| 18:16.17 | Hire1 | a record |
| 18:16.19 | laen | How! |
| 18:16.24 | laen | =) |
| 18:16.31 | Hire1 | i don't know |
| 18:16.47 | Hire1 | i think it is just luck |
| 18:16.56 | mwester_ | It was powered off. |
| 18:16.57 | Dave | random stabilization due to entropy cascade. |
| 18:17.05 | Dave | Haha, Mwester. |
| 18:17.36 | Dave | gives MWester a gold star |
| 18:19.12 | Hire1 | mwester: probably |
| 18:19.18 | Hire1 | i don't have checked it |
| 18:19.26 | Dave | haha |
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| 18:19.43 | Dave | That's some awesome English there. |
| 18:19.44 | laen | Wauw, the OM 2008.8 kernel didn't crash as fast, it crashed 1 second later. |
| 18:20.09 | Ke | ie. poor performance |
| 18:20.23 | bumbl | I'm feeling lucky - as soon as ms4 is out I'll start my 3rd try using the NEO as my daily phone |
| 18:20.28 | Dave | Ke, especially when off :D |
| 18:21.37 | Hire1 | Dave: are you saying I am a dumbass with english? |
| 18:22.18 | slaxxin | bumble is there a problem with using qtopia or fdom? |
| 18:22.20 | Dave | hahaha |
| 18:22.25 | Zorkman | can anybody copy-paste the sentence it was about? :) |
| 18:22.26 | Dave | I never said anything of the sort... |
| 18:22.30 | Dave | Hoenoes, it's slaxxin! |
| 18:22.41 | Hire1 | Dave is a liar |
| 18:22.41 | Zorkman | slaxxin: FDOM is too slow when suspended |
| 18:22.44 | slaxxin | SUPER dave |
| 18:23.24 | slaxxin | well and your point is? |
| 18:23.26 | laen | FDOM is indeed extremely slow at all times. |
| 18:24.03 | bumbl | slaxxin: i don't like qtopia |
| 18:24.10 | bumbl | and FDOM is too bloated |
| 18:24.13 | bumbl | it drains the battery |
| 18:24.36 | Zorkman | I like FDOM, but not as a phone |
| 18:25.00 | bumbl | Zorkman: yeah |
| 18:25.14 | bumbl | for me FDOM is just a poc |
| 18:25.15 | slaxxin | here comes android |
| 18:25.41 | slaxxin | yust in time fore mr4 and 2008.10 |
| 18:25.41 | bumbl | slaxxin: android won't solve all the nasty hardwarebugs |
| 18:25.56 | Zorkman | or the kernel probs |
| 18:26.10 | slaxxin | do we need a different mfg? |
| 18:26.47 | slaxxin | what u guys need to do is agree on a hardware set THEN PRODUCE IT |
| 18:27.12 | lindi- | slaxxin: i can't produce anything :) |
| 18:27.13 | mwester_ | slaxxin: http://moko.mwester.net/foolish.html <--- first section is on android ;-) |
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| 18:31.26 | Zorkman | right now my FR with qt extended 4.4.2 is acting like a stroboscope, dimming and un-dimming the backligt every few seconds withtouth any user input (dim light is at 20sec) :) |
| 18:32.47 | mwester_ | Cool! I just looooove the bugs we get with the FR and the Neo; they are sooo unusually creative! |
| 18:32.57 | Zorkman | mwester: i like reason three of the "reason" for "knife-kernel" :) |
| 18:33.24 | mwester_ | :) |
| 18:34.18 | Hire1 | ehi |
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| 18:35.14 | Hire1 | but I can use my FR with wpa |
| 18:35.14 | Hire1 | i am a magican? |
| 18:35.14 | Hire1 | probably, yes |
| 18:35.19 | Zorkman | i also have no sim insterted, but the neo knows i only have 3bars or reception..... |
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| 18:36.25 | Zorkman | Hire1: please enchant my FR with "Flaws -200.000.000" |
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| 18:36.42 | mwester_ | Zorkman: there is a bug in QtX that I've fixed, but I failed to file a bug on it with the patch. :( |
| 18:37.04 | Zorkman | lol |
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| 18:37.16 | Zorkman | lets release our frustation on lpotter |
| 18:37.21 | Zorkman | damn, he's not here |
| 18:37.43 | mwester_ | It mis-handles the signal quality; too many possible ways to get signal quality with various GSM chips, and the Calypso is broken in that regard. Surprise!!! |
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| 18:38.45 | Zorkman | man man man, that calypso thing seems like the doomsday device of kubrik |
| 18:38.46 | mwester_ | No, be nice to lpotter. But I do have to say that I don't like the way the "bouncy calypso" was solved in 4.4.2. :( |
| 18:39.16 | Zorkman | I was going to ask you about that, do you know if that has a big impact on battery life? |
| 18:39.31 | mwester_ | It penalizes all the folks that DON'T have the problem. FSO handles it the best (thanks to mickey|bbl). It has a HUGE impact on battery life. |
| 18:39.45 | Zorkman | :( |
| 18:40.02 | mwester_ | about 5x more current in suspend. |
| 18:40.08 | Zorkman | mwester: am i right that when it detects the bouncing behaviour it switches to another mode? |
| 18:40.12 | mwester_ | No. |
| 18:40.36 | mwester_ | That's what my original patch did, and what FSO does. Qtx 4.4.2 will unconditionally disable deep sleep. |
| 18:40.37 | Zorkman | is it something else than the AT command? |
| 18:40.45 | Zorkman | :( |
| 18:41.14 | mwester_ | FSO actually has code to re-enable deep sleep if possible. |
| 18:41.42 | Zorkman | is there a reason qtopia doesn't have it? |
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| 18:42.36 | mwester_ | Probably because my patch was so incredibly ugly, and would break all the other non-openmoko phones the way it was implemented. It was a hack. |
| 18:43.15 | Zorkman | i guess there is no way for a simple end-user to implenent your hack? |
| 18:43.26 | mwester_ | Sure. |
| 18:43.39 | mwester_ | :) I need to re-implement it as a patch for 4.4.2. |
| 18:43.53 | Zorkman | i'll check your site regulary then :) |
| 18:43.58 | mwester_ | Should be availalbe in a few days, but you'll have to recompile 4.4.2. |
| 18:44.21 | Zorkman | haha, that is where my "simple end user" stuff fails :) |
| 18:44.22 | BluesLee | mwester_ which hack? |
| 18:45.49 | BluesLee | mwester_ echo? |
| 18:45.55 | mwester_ | bouncing |
| 18:46.14 | BluesLee | mwester_ bouncing seems to be solved in 4.4.2 |
| 18:46.29 | mwester_ | See the previous comments here. |
| 18:47.03 | BluesLee | mwester_ i cant, i entered the channel 4 minutes ago |
| 18:47.27 | BluesLee | mwester_ whats the status on the echo issue? |
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| 18:48.45 | mwester_ | Dunno. Should be better with 4.4.2, I think. |
| 18:49.03 | BluesLee | mwester_ i dont have the re-registering in the latest 4.4.2 but echo is still there |
| 18:49.07 | Zorkman | BluesLee: 4.4.2 just disabled deep sleerp mode of the modem, resulting in suspend power consumption x5 |
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| 18:49.16 | mwester_ | But the real issue (and I fear that people are forgetting this) is that it's a mechanical hardware problem. |
| 18:49.58 | BluesLee | mwester_ didnt know about that... i know that the buzz issue is hardware related |
| 18:50.10 | BluesLee | Zorkman: thank you for that information |
| 18:50.56 | BluesLee | Zorkman: the latest 3 images lpotter released are disappointing at least for me |
| 18:51.21 | Zorkman | sadly they are the only real option if you want to use it as a real phone |
| 18:51.35 | Zorkman | every other image responds too slow to resume |
| 18:51.47 | mwester_ | BluesLee: the buzz is hardware; the echo is mechanical -- feedback from the speaker to the microphone. The only REAL solution for the latter is a headphone or bluetooth; but the headphone doesn't fix the buzz. So in the end, the only real solution for both is bluetooth. |
| 18:52.25 | Zorkman | does anyone know why i don't get a ringtone in the latest qt extended? |
| 18:52.31 | BluesLee | Zorkman: yes that is very sad. qtextended is an intermediate solution for me as there is no alternative |
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| 18:53.47 | BluesLee | mwester_ bt does not work in the new 4.4.2 image lpotter forgot something to add |
| 18:54.08 | Zorkman | seems like they have the same testing team as OM :)Ã |
| 18:54.33 | BluesLee | hehe |
| 18:54.34 | jonkristian | Tell me, does gps work at all? |
| 18:54.48 | jonkristian | I've tried with 2007.2, qt-extended and 2008.9 |
| 18:54.51 | jonkristian | No joy |
| 18:55.11 | Zorkman | jonkristian: it works in 2007.2, 2008.x and FSO |
| 18:55.13 | BluesLee | and in qtextended |
| 18:55.20 | Zorkman | not yet a real gps app.. |
| 18:55.23 | Zorkman | you can see the output |
| 18:55.33 | BluesLee | Zorkman: i compiled roadmap |
| 18:55.57 | jonkristian | omg, the red dot seems to have found my location, i think |
| 18:55.58 | Zorkman | for qtopia? |
| 18:56.07 | BluesLee | Zorkman: for qtopia 4.3.3, waiting for the 4.4 sdk |
| 18:56.09 | Zorkman | jonkristian: get out, it's a sniper! |
| 18:56.21 | jonkristian | :D |
| 18:56.33 | jonkristian | does 2008.9 zoom? |
| 18:56.36 | jonkristian | the map... |
| 18:56.40 | Zorkman | yes |
| 18:57.02 | Zorkman | mwester_: you tested qtopia 4.4.2?? did you get a ringtone? |
| 18:57.09 | BluesLee | mwester_ the hardware bugs get annoying, maybe i will get me a new phone |
| 18:57.15 | jonkristian | Zorkman: I did |
| 18:57.16 | SpeedEvil | Employee relations - http://www.bunny-comic.com/?id=1052 |
| 18:57.26 | Zorkman | jonkristian: did you have to do something special? |
| 18:57.40 | slaxxin | yes the speakers nedd to be relocated away from the mic an the mic needs a sound cancling tube |
| 18:58.03 | jonkristian | Zorkman: don't think i did |
| 18:58.11 | Zorkman | damn :( |
| 18:58.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | BluesLee: hw-bugs... Huh? please elaborate |
| 18:58.40 | slaxxin | whats the chances of getting a non-pressure touch screen on a future moko? |
| 18:58.59 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2: YOU ARE THE DOC;-) |
| 18:59.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: ??? |
| 18:59.01 | lindi- | slaxxin: we here probably don't know |
| 18:59.03 | Zorkman | slaxxin: maybe gta04, but i think the chanses are very slim |
| 18:59.11 | jonkristian | I think i fid 2008.9 a better alternative to qt-extended, haven't found lesser bugs on either of 'em. |
| 18:59.30 | slaxxin | that is right jon |
| 18:59.53 | Zorkman | jonkristian: go into suspend, and recieve a call; 9times out of ten you won't be able to pull it out of you pcoket and answer a call in time |
| 18:59.59 | jonkristian | fid=find |
| 19:00.02 | slaxxin | since the bouncing has been fixed |
| 19:00.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: U talk bout capacitive ts? |
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| 19:00.38 | Zorkman | slaxxin: bouncing has not been fixed, it has been "covered up" with a lot of power consumption |
| 19:00.40 | slaxxin | i dont know what it is called |
| 19:00.57 | slaxxin | on the testing image? |
| 19:01.00 | jonkristian | ERROR Unable to locate a fix , that's what i get when trying gps |
| 19:01.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | so wtf is a nonpressure ts? |
| 19:01.34 | slaxxin | well i didnt want to say it .. but like the iphone |
| 19:01.35 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: i think he means no ts or a capacitive |
| 19:01.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | capacitive |
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| 19:02.18 | slaxxin | those are apparently very expencive |
| 19:02.25 | BluesLee | mwester_ are those problems freerunner specific or does the neo 1973 also suffer? |
| 19:02.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | I don't like C-ts, you can't do clean clicks |
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| 19:03.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | slaxxin: not THAT expensive |
| 19:03.16 | Pander | hi all |
| 19:03.27 | BluesLee | mwester_ there was a hw solution for the buzz, does it also solve the echo issue? |
| 19:03.39 | jonkristian | ping |
| 19:03.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | and yeah, tho I don't like them, still there are chances |
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| 19:04.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | BluesLee: nope |
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| 19:06.08 | Zorkman | anyone know how to get sound in qt extended when recieving sms or call? |
| 19:06.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | BluesLee: we're looking into calypso FW to augment echo issue |
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| 19:08.18 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2 hmm ... do you think it is possible to handle? i dont see a progress since months |
| 19:09.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | we just started to investigate on GSM-fw |
| 19:09.03 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2: i thought that some hidden AT commands would solve the issue |
| 19:09.21 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2: FW=? |
| 19:09.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | firmware |
| 19:09.31 | Zorkman | firmware |
| 19:09.34 | BluesLee | okay |
| 19:09.47 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer2: you work for openmoko inc.? |
| 19:09.54 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2: undocumented TI stuff ... |
| 19:10.04 | Zorkman | cmon lindi-, you should know that by now :) |
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| 19:10.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~joerg |
| 19:10.12 | apt | hmm... joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 19:10.28 | Zorkman | he's one of the good guys lindi- :) |
| 19:10.31 | BluesLee | ohh joerg |
| 19:11.03 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2 hallo erstmal;-) |
| 19:11.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | hi |
| 19:11.18 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer2: ok |
| 19:11.42 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2 i hope you will solve that issue, my girlfriend does not like the echo;-) |
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| 19:12.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | echo is much an issue of high quality provider |
| 19:12.31 | BluesLee | BluesLee: since i have the freerunner i have less friends, only my girlfriend stayed with me |
| 19:12.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | err low quality ;-) |
| 19:12.57 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2: i thought vodafone would be a good choice |
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| 19:13.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | depends, but yeah |
| 19:13.31 | Zorkman | BluesLee: my gf doesn't like the buzzing sound :) |
| 19:13.57 | CVirus | I don't think someone with a freerunner would have a gf |
| 19:13.59 | BluesLee | Zorkman: here are some guys who suffer from the wsod |
| 19:14.16 | DocScrutinizer | buzz might affect echo as well, but not that much |
| 19:14.17 | mwester_ | echo is low quality provider? What has the provider to do with the feedback path from speaker to microphone? |
| 19:14.19 | BluesLee | CVirus: if i would be a virus ... |
| 19:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | mwester_: they implement sophisticated echocancelers |
| 19:15.03 | jonkristian | echo, nobody I've talked to on the fr has mentioned anything about that. |
| 19:15.16 | Zorkman | jonkristian: believe me, a lot of people have |
| 19:15.27 | BluesLee | jonkristian: hmmm |
| 19:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | those echo-cancelers may perform porly on buzz |
| 19:15.32 | jonkristian | Zorkman: I meant, people I've talked to on the phone |
| 19:15.38 | mwester_ | Ok. But that classifies as a workaround -- and one cannot blame the root cause on a "low-quality provider" |
| 19:15.40 | jonkristian | my phone, the freerunner |
| 19:15.40 | Zorkman | CVirus: that is because i'm a total noob at everything with regards to the FR :) |
| 19:15.51 | CVirus | hehe |
| 19:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | the root cause is mic and speaker in same case - you got that on every phone |
| 19:16.25 | BluesLee | jonkristian: when did you bought your freerunner? |
| 19:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | other phones have better cancelation built in |
| 19:16.46 | jonkristian | BluesLee: a month ago |
| 19:16.51 | mwester_ | DocScrutinizer: So why is it that other phones do NOT have the echo on these same "low-quality" providers? |
| 19:16.56 | Zorkman | i thought we didn't even had cancellation, that we could pull off surpression but not cancellation |
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| 19:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | or - to be more optimistic - we don't make good use of calypso cancellation |
| 19:17.22 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2: is ti cooperating? |
| 19:17.23 | mwester_ | grows weary of the constant blaming of others certain openmoko people do. |
| 19:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I mention GSM-FW |
| 19:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | throws IPhoneIIs on MWester |
| 19:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: nope |
| 19:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | not that much, calypso is EOL |
| 19:18.34 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2: okay, lets say there is a fw which solves the echo issue. but you cant distribute it .. |
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| 19:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | why not? |
| 19:18.49 | fredrin | BluesLee: :) |
| 19:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 19:19.14 | mwester_ | why not? Same reason OM hasn't distributed any other firmwares. |
| 19:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
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| 19:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | mwester_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 19:19.44 | jonkristian | Anywhere I can get a norwegian dict to illume? |
| 19:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | BZZZ, wrong |
| 19:20.26 | BluesLee | okay |
| 19:20.38 | BluesLee | do it and i will flash the gsm fw |
| 19:20.40 | Zorkman | jonkristian: http://alasal.be/openmoko/keyboard/ |
| 19:20.43 | mwester_ | DocScrutinizer: Ok, good. Only took Om 1.5 YEARS to do that. |
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| 19:20.58 | jonkristian | Zorkman: sweet |
| 19:21.02 | mwester_ | BUZZZZZZZZZ for crappy customer service, Doc. |
| 19:21.17 | Zorkman | np jonkristian: if you want instructions; see: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-howto-change-your-keyboard.html |
| 19:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | mwester_: I grow weary of other people blaming OM for things they can't fix |
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| 19:21.36 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer2: otherwise i will get me yphone |
| 19:21.45 | mwester_ | DocScrutinizer: Grow up. |
| 19:21.48 | Zorkman | mwester_ , DocScrutinizer2; c'mon, don't be childisch, you're both one of the most usefull members of this community i know |
| 19:21.58 | jonkristian | Zorkman: any way to have both english and norwegian, and switch between? |
| 19:22.14 | Zorkman | jonkristian: i think that is possible, haven't tried it yet |
| 19:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | took 2 years to get admittance from TI to publish this fsck FLUID |
| 19:22.41 | mwester_ | Sure. Let's play nice. Here's what doc want's to hear: "There are NO hardware or firmware bugs in any product he has been involved with, ever." |
| 19:22.51 | mwester_ | refuses to play anymore. |
| 19:23.14 | Zorkman | mwester_: that's not true, i've talked with DocScrutinizer2 already a few times about the bugs, he alwaysa dmitted it |
| 19:23.28 | Zorkman | in fact he is the only one that EVER gives some usefull info about the gsm buzz and stuff |
| 19:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | mwester_: go nag someone else, I joined OM half a year ago |
| 19:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | since then we published schematics, calypso fw, FLUID |
| 19:24.31 | Zorkman | and DocScrutinizer2: he's just frustrated and i can't blame him because i'm also frustrated |
| 19:24.42 | Zorkman | i'm gonna take a bath, some beers and throw my FR against a wall :D |
| 19:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | I'm talking frankly bout buzz and every other real hw issue |
| 19:25.09 | Zorkman | i know and i appreciate it |
| 19:25.15 | Zorkman | (but I do hate those bugs :() |
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| 19:25.41 | BluesLee | ditto |
| 19:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | nobody hates them more than me ;-) |
| 19:26.17 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer i am sure you can solve them |
| 19:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | but I hate even more pushing TPE and nothing moves |
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| 19:27.09 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer there is no doubt that om made mistakes in the past but talking about that does not solve anything for the future |
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| 19:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: thanks, but not that sure about it. I *know* (maybe) how to fix them, but that means changes on hw, and that's a BIG problem |
| 19:28.23 | fredrin | What if the FW was leaked, it's easier to get forgiveness than permission |
| 19:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, I'm back in TPE in a few days, so maybe some work gets done again then ;-) |
| 19:28.34 | SpeedEvil | fredrin: err |
| 19:28.38 | fredrin | :) |
| 19:28.42 | SpeedEvil | fredrin: The courts really don't see it that way |
| 19:28.47 | SpeedEvil | kills fredrin . |
| 19:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 19:29.21 | slaxxin | now that every body is fully frustrated can u guys tell me " if i install on openmoko image an kernel 4 times in a row will i have the exact experience every time" |
| 19:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | I'll add the GTA01 fw-images in a few days |
| 19:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | lol - *should* |
| 19:30.15 | slaxxin | using 1 moko for all 4 times ofcourse |
| 19:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, except for quantum effects |
| 19:30.34 | slaxxin | yea i know i should ,,but is it |
| 19:30.46 | BluesLee | but i dont know why the most users stay calm for months ... |
| 19:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I never tested thoroughly |
| 19:31.07 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer what is the latest fw on the freerunner moko.x? |
| 19:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | moko9 I'm told |
| 19:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | but that'S not yet in the market |
| 19:31.53 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer thats the stock one on my freerunner |
| 19:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | and fixes only different flashrom chip issue |
| 19:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so it's actually out in the wild |
| 19:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | we're testing moko10 internally |
| 19:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | but it's a beta yet, and doesn't fix anything as well |
| 19:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | yet |
| 19:33.09 | BluesLee | hmmm |
| 19:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | we lost our GSM expert recently, so we had to find new manpower and expertise for calypso |
| 19:34.43 | Dave | JOERG |
| 19:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | dave :-) |
| 19:35.07 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer what about harald? |
| 19:35.09 | Dave | :D |
| 19:35.35 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer he seems to be clever;-) |
| 19:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | Harals is just an occasional contributor, but we got Dieter now |
| 19:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | (clever) you bet he is |
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| 19:37.35 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer i the end i dont care if anton, dieter or a guy called moe solves th eproblem |
| 19:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 19:38.23 | BluesLee | this hw stuff is really difficult |
| 19:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | obviously we have to start building better quality, and do it pretty soon. Well that's my private opinion |
| 19:39.21 | BluesLee | i hope some pre-tests will be done with the gta03 ... |
| 19:39.55 | BluesLee | otherwise blues will get angry;-) |
| 19:40.31 | DocScrutinizer | new that we got some sw to use he phones in real live, probably there will be more real-live tests on gta03 than were done on gta02 |
| 19:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | though there were quite some tests on gta02 as well, only they didn't reveal the nasty random issues |
| 19:41.35 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer is there a time horizon for gta03? |
| 19:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | musrn't talk about, even don't know for sure |
| 19:42.24 | BluesLee | ok |
| 19:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | still same fab that's hard to ramp up, and things like that |
| 19:44.02 | BluesLee | i saw mickeyl with one of the first neos in the beginning of the last year |
| 19:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | you were able to see how we performed on gta02 |
| 19:44.34 | BluesLee | never thought that it would take thqat time |
| 19:45.01 | DocScrutinizer | believe me, you're not allone ;-) |
| 19:45.35 | BluesLee | i was suprised by the gps sw fix |
| 19:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, sometmes we're lucky :-D |
| 19:46.33 | BluesLee | that raised my believe that openness has big advantages |
| 19:46.55 | BluesLee | but it has also some disadvantages |
| 19:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | well in the end openness didn't help much here |
| 19:47.17 | BluesLee | thats correct |
| 19:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | as it was glamo hw register stuff not disclosed |
| 19:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, we get rid of glamo at least :-) |
| 19:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | in GTA03 |
| 19:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | biggest disadvantage is we can't choose the best chips, we need to pick the open ones |
| 19:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | there's few of them |
| 19:49.28 | BluesLee | i know |
| 19:49.48 | BluesLee | life is hard |
| 19:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | nah, just an exciting challenge |
| 19:50.10 | BluesLee | :-) |
| 19:50.27 | BluesLee | my new seven, selfmade, 10 cent, juggling balls wait to be juggled joerg |
| 19:50.43 | BluesLee | cu |
| 19:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | cu |
| 19:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | have to pack my suitcase eventually, so... |
| 19:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | away |
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| 19:59.53 | bove3 | why is there both wlan0, eth0 and eth1 entries in the standard ASU /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 20:04.03 | laen | bove3: been wondering about that too |
| 20:04.34 | Tm_T | just to intrigue you? |
| 20:04.40 | laen | How cool :) |
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| 20:06.02 | bove3 | I'm struggling to get a wpa_supplicant setup working |
| 20:06.18 | laen | bove3: let me know if you succeed, cause that just freezes mine. |
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| 20:09.47 | laen | Just added http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base as opgk source to a fresh install, update, upgrade.. boy is that little freerunner working hehe |
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| 20:12.33 | ColdFyre | the waln0 is standard wifi in the newer kernels |
| 20:12.48 | ColdFyre | it's not openmoko specific |
| 20:15.42 | jonkristian | hell, im even struggling getting wep working:D |
| 20:17.25 | evolux | is there a working package for mpd for fdom? |
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| 20:28.45 | laen | Ug! |
| 20:29.18 | laen | I added the angstrom-feed.conf as described on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories, and it borked quite a lot. Can't even ssh into the freerunner anymore and can't launch settings Oo |
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| 20:39.49 | daramarak | Hi, I just got my FR, is there any reason that is shouldn't flash it directly to 2008.10? |
| 20:40.59 | bove3 | i dindnt know .10 was out yet? |
| 20:41.24 | daramarak | well, must be 9 i am talking about then |
| 20:41.37 | daramarak | Haven't been paying attention last week |
| 20:41.57 | daramarak | Was expecting 10 to be out when november arrived :) |
| 20:45.10 | bove3 | I seems .10 has quite many tickets: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/roadmap |
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| 20:48.07 | daramarak | Yes, I am afraid so... |
| 20:48.38 | daramarak | But still, from what I hear the software is really getting somewhere |
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| 21:19.47 | laen | Weird question.. i have to install illume-config to get the terminal keyboard.. but illume-keyboard-terminal is allready installed.. so why do i need illume-config? |
| 21:19.57 | laen | Or, can i remove it afterwards? |
| 21:26.02 | Zork|Bath | is there a way to get a notification when my sms is delivered on qt extended? |
| 21:26.07 | Dave | ugggggggggh |
| 21:26.15 | Dave | Zork, yeah |
| 21:26.22 | Dave | it sucks though depending on the theme |
| 21:26.30 | Dave | and it was weird and seems like no all support |
| 21:27.10 | Zorkman | how to enable it? |
| 21:27.17 | Dave | I have no idea :D |
| 21:27.18 | Dave | sorry |
| 21:27.40 | Zorkman | np |
| 21:27.53 | Zorkman | i suspended my phone and the time and timezone got reset... |
| 21:27.58 | Zorkman | will anything ever work? |
| 21:28.22 | Dave | hahaha |
| 21:28.48 | Zorkman | c'mon, setting and saving time should work by now :) |
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| 21:30.51 | bumbl | fat chance that we could use the freerunner for something productive anytime soon |
| 21:31.49 | Dave | haha, yeah, right |
| 21:32.02 | laen | :P |
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| 21:32.51 | Zorkman | sound is once again buggered in qt extended i hate that gsmhandset file :) |
| 21:33.11 | Dave | laen :D |
| 21:33.18 | Dave | Zorkman yep :D |
| 21:33.41 | jonkristian | What's the magic combination to get the phone out off suspend? :D |
| 21:33.50 | Dave | haha |
| 21:34.07 | jonkristian | Three clicks left, two clicks right ? |
| 21:34.08 | Zorkman | jonkristian: shortpress the power button |
| 21:34.26 | jonkristian | Zorkman: not working |
| 21:34.36 | jonkristian | Zorkman: I have a working ssh connection, anything i can do from there? |
| 21:34.43 | Zorkman | jonkristian: remove the battery and smash the phone |
| 21:34.48 | jonkristian | I tried /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 21:35.05 | Zorkman | jonkristian don't know for sure... apm -s is used to suspend |
| 21:35.12 | Zorkman | there is probably an unsuspend command |
| 21:35.23 | Zorkman | but if you are suspended, usb0 should be down |
| 21:35.28 | Zorkman | (at least on my FR it is) |
| 21:35.31 | lindi- | unsuspend command? |
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| 21:35.44 | laen | Dave, this might sound strange.. but you are teh cool. |
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| 21:36.03 | Zorkman | laen; don't worry about it, it just sounds gay :) |
| 21:36.06 | laen | Active, crazy like a painted nut, and allways a good mood :) |
| 21:36.07 | jonkristian | Zorkman: hm, maybe it's not in suspend then, maybe it happened when i tried to restart x |
| 21:36.33 | laen | Zorkman: oh well ;) |
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| 21:36.56 | Zorkman | dave has some magic pills, you as a dutchman will now everything about that :) |
| 21:37.06 | Dave | laen: dankje wel :D |
| 21:37.12 | laen | Graag gedaan :) |
| 21:37.19 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 21:37.23 | laen | hehe |
| 21:37.25 | Zorkman | g2g |
| 21:37.44 | Dave | truste |
| 21:39.43 | bumbl | laen: we ask him everyday what he takes before breakfast but he won't tell |
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| 21:40.51 | hipitihop | waves good morning to the inmates |
| 21:40.56 | Dave | :D |
| 21:40.57 | laen | Offcourse not bumbl, that'd get him kicked out of the channel. Remember.. he's dutch. |
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| 21:41.00 | Dave | Hey hippityhop :D |
| 21:41.18 | hipitihop | hey Dave |
| 21:41.40 | Dave | er zijn hier veel Nederlanders! |
| 21:41.55 | bumbl | laen: Dave is dutch? I thought he is just a multilingual US American |
| 21:42.05 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4743 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/ (. measure report): |
| 21:42.05 | CIA-50 | openmoko: Tools to measure WLAN performance: |
| 21:42.05 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - measure: runs ttcp and ping between a Neo and a host (in both directions) |
| 21:42.05 | CIA-50 | openmoko: and records the results in files named _* |
| 21:42.06 | CIA-50 | openmoko: - report: pretty-prints the measurement data |
| 21:42.30 | Dave | bumble, you are correct. |
| 21:42.45 | Dave | Just don't tell anyone :D |
| 21:43.08 | toggles_w | Dave: ! |
| 21:43.16 | Dave | hides |
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| 21:44.56 | hipitihop | anyone here flashed the fixed qtextended 4.4.2 from http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/ on to gta02 ? |
| 21:44.57 | Zorkman | how do i manually suspend qt extended withouth typing in the terminal? |
| 21:45.18 | Zorkman | nope, but i'm planning to do it, hope it also fixes the not working ring on call |
| 21:46.15 | Zorkman | hipitihop: you know how to manually suspend? |
| 21:46.33 | Zorkman | or make the time settings permanent? they al ways reset on my FR |
| 21:47.44 | Dave | ring ring ring |
| 21:48.08 | hipitihop | Zorkman, have been running 4.4.1 for weeks and never seen that problem |
| 21:48.20 | hipitihop | Zorkman I just set my time in terminal using date -s |
| 21:48.39 | Zorkman | hipitihop: i'm talking about qt ext 4.4.2 |
| 21:49.38 | Zorkman | and what does the "usb connection mode" do? |
| 21:49.47 | Zorkman | it's been there forever, but when i click it nothing ever happens |
| 21:51.19 | Zorkman | and why can't we just browse to the files we want to play in the mediaplayer? |
| 21:55.19 | Dave | Zorkman! |
| 21:56.37 | Zorkman | say the word dave, and i'll destroy whichever planet you want! |
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| 21:58.40 | Dave | Excellent >:) |
| 21:58.57 | laen | Oh this is crazy, i got wireless working with iwconfig now. Why o why not with the Settings interface, or wpa_supplicant. |
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| 22:00.45 | Dave | hot |
| 22:00.50 | Dave | laen, because it's bugged, duh :D |
| 22:01.14 | laen | Well, if iwconfig works why wouldn't wpa_supp work. |
| 22:01.15 | Dave | het is labiel :P |
| 22:01.36 | Zorkman | that's an understatement dave :) |
| 22:01.44 | Dave | :DDD |
| 22:04.42 | toggles_w | beans.. |
| 22:05.25 | Zorkman | the magical fruit |
| 22:06.22 | Dave | the more you eat the more you realize... What the fuck am I doing programming this fucking Java? |
| 22:06.35 | toggles_w | mmmmm java... |
| 22:07.07 | hipitihop | the dark side |
| 22:07.09 | toggles_w | thinks about asking mwester if androind will come to the moko.. |
| 22:07.23 | ronny | hmm |
| 22:08.01 | hipitihop | Dave, get a life and hack with dynamic languages if you can |
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| 22:08.10 | laen | toggles_w: there was a post on planet.openmoko.org about it |
| 22:08.11 | Dave | I do! |
| 22:08.18 | Dave | and I have been, for the last ... many years! |
| 22:08.19 | Dave | So quiet you! |
| 22:08.32 | hipitihop | zips it |
| 22:09.08 | Dave | :D |
| 22:09.11 | Dave | yes. |
| 22:09.13 | Dave | use pearl; |
| 22:09.20 | hipitihop | barf |
| 22:09.30 | laen | perl you mean |
| 22:09.35 | hipitihop | wipes fresh coffee of his keyboard |
| 22:10.44 | Dave | eww :\ |
| 22:10.45 | laen | What if i.. |
| 22:10.55 | laen | ..removed wireless-tools from the freerunner. |
| 22:11.16 | toggles_w | flash flash flash.... |
| 22:11.23 | laen | Cause i have a feeling thats the one interrupting wpa_supplicant. |
| 22:11.32 | Dave | flash it like it's hot ;p |
| 22:11.41 | toggles_w | oh it's hot.. |
| 22:11.43 | viq | Flashers! ;P |
| 22:11.47 | Dave | :D |
| 22:11.50 | toggles_w | it just take too long to dfu the root |
| 22:12.14 | Dave | man, dfu the root |
| 22:12.26 | Dave | figures some good lyrics |
| 22:14.34 | toggles_w | aha! finished flashing |
| 22:15.00 | hipitihop | has there been no update to mwester's kernel http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin ? |
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| 22:16.55 | hipitihop | nods morning to raster |
| 22:20.37 | raster | wobbles morning to hipitihop |
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| 22:23.26 | Kensan | raster: hey there |
| 22:24.01 | raster | Kensan: panties on |
| 22:24.29 | Kensan | raster: thank you. |
| 22:24.42 | Kensan | raster: did you get the pandora news? They doubled memory + nand. |
| 22:24.51 | raster | eh? |
| 22:25.03 | raster | i thought it was in production.. thats a late change |
| 22:25.17 | Kensan | raster: they decided to opt for 512 nand + 256 ddr3 memory |
| 22:25.22 | Kensan | raster: last minute change |
| 22:25.25 | raster | luxury |
| 22:25.29 | Kensan | raster: same price though |
| 22:25.29 | raster | dont need 245m |
| 22:25.36 | raster | 128 is more than enough (for me) |
| 22:25.39 | raster | but ddr3 |
| 22:25.40 | raster | YUM |
| 22:25.46 | raster | can i say that again? |
| 22:25.47 | raster | YUM |
| 22:25.47 | cjb_ie | 640k should be enough for anyone! |
| 22:25.53 | Dave | RASTER |
| 22:26.02 | Kensan | raster: well there's no such thing as enough ;) |
| 22:26.14 | raster | Kensan: in my world there is |
| 22:26.19 | raster | but then again i actually profile/optimise |
| 22:26.20 | raster | :)_ |
| 22:26.21 | laen | cjb_ie++ |
| 22:26.29 | Kensan | raster: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45065 |
| 22:27.09 | Kensan | raster: they are waiting for lcd's it seems. |
| 22:30.02 | Dave | Kensan! :o |
| 22:30.09 | Dave | haha |
| 22:33.59 | laen | So how do you remove dependencies that came with a package? |
| 22:34.07 | Dave | :D |
| 22:34.13 | Dave | whee, that again :p |
| 22:34.24 | Dave | damnit, gdb exploded again |
| 22:34.37 | laen | Dave: how then? |
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| 22:35.07 | laen | autoremove |
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| 22:42.10 | Kensan | Dave! |
| 22:42.19 | Kensan | ? ;) |
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| 22:46.26 | Dave | Yes! |
| 22:46.43 | mwester_ | fruitbats. |
| 22:47.14 | mwester_ | Greetings Mr. Kensan, Mr. Dave. |
| 22:47.57 | Dave | Greetings. |
| 22:48.01 | Dave | We meet again, Mr. Wester. |
| 22:48.07 | rwhitby | morning |
| 22:48.18 | Kensan | Hi there |
| 22:48.27 | mwester_ | Greetings Mr. Whitby! |
| 22:48.27 | Dave | Hey, who invited you, Mr. Whitby? |
| 22:48.58 | Kensan | Is this the meeting of the all english Sunday Evening Greetings club? |
| 22:49.05 | Kensan | ;) |
| 22:49.24 | mwester_ | :) Politeness is in the air. |
| 22:49.29 | Kensan | indeed |
| 22:49.50 | Kensan | mwester_: Is there a reason you named the project "knife-kernel"? ;) |
| 22:49.56 | rwhitby | Kensan: monday morning here ... |
| 22:50.05 | laen | Kensan: thats somewhere on his site |
| 22:50.17 | mwester_ | ;) Three choices on my home page -- which one sounds best? |
| 22:50.18 | Kensan | rwhitby: ah yes. But in england it's evening ;) |
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| 22:51.22 | mwester_ | It's still afternoon here, now that the silly DST is over for the year. |
| 22:51.33 | Kensan | DST? |
| 22:51.40 | mwester_ | Daylight Saving Time. |
| 22:51.52 | laen | wonders what to do with the Xglamo binary for the duke3d project |
| 22:52.02 | Kensan | ah |
| 22:52.04 | SpeedEvil | laen: ceremonial burning in fire? |
| 22:52.13 | laen | Sounds good once again! |
| 22:52.18 | mwester_ | Only if we can burn a glamo along with it. |
| 22:52.20 | Kensan | mwester_: so you live on the east coast? |
| 22:52.32 | mwester_ | Chicago -- Central time zone. |
| 22:52.33 | Kensan | votes for burning a rubber chicken too |
| 22:52.58 | SpeedEvil | No! |
| 22:53.04 | SpeedEvil | That's environmentally unfriendly. |
| 22:53.07 | SpeedEvil | Burn a real one. |
| 22:53.15 | Kensan | but it's for a good cause |
| 22:53.16 | SpeedEvil | With lemon and ginger. |
| 22:53.20 | mwester_ | I often do, whenever I'm called on to cook... |
| 22:54.05 | bumbl_ | raster: good morning |
| 22:54.08 | Kensan | mwester_: you cook rubber chicken? Oh... mcdonald's I see. |
| 22:54.27 | mwester_ | :p I eat anything. |
| 22:54.49 | mwester_ | I am fortunate to have married a very good cook, though. |
| 22:55.09 | toggles_w | mwester_: even this? http://sand.wich.es/2007/12/17/brain-sandwich/ |
| 22:55.22 | mwester_ | wonders if he dares click that link... |
| 22:55.28 | raster | bumbl_: /me wobbles @ bumbl_ |
| 22:55.49 | toggles_w | mwester_: i promise it wont mention the word android ;-) |
| 22:55.50 | Kensan | mwester_: that's a worthiwhile reason for a marriage ;) |
| 22:55.50 | bumbl_ | it's 23:55h here though :p |
| 22:55.57 | raster | oops |
| 22:56.04 | raster | wobbles @ bumbl_ |
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| 22:56.39 | mwester_ | *did* click that link, and now feels no particular desire for dinner tonight. |
| 22:57.28 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 22:57.35 | Kensan | mwester_: rick-roll? |
| 22:57.47 | mwester_ | Kensan: disgusting sandwich. |
| 22:58.17 | mwester_ | Quite literally what the link says it is... |
| 22:59.09 | toggles_w | am watching pbs show about sandwiches, they went there and watched some girl eat one |
| 22:59.20 | mwester_ | Scary. |
| 22:59.41 | toggles_w | yeah, they did have some rather good sandwiche in the show htough |
| 23:00.04 | mwester_ | rather likes a Reuben on dark rye. |
| 23:00.07 | mwester_ | sp? |
| 23:01.08 | bumbl_ | toggles_w: there are shows which show people eating sandwiches? |
| 23:01.27 | Kensan | raster: so how is your todo list? Did you get to strike off some items over the weekend? |
| 23:01.38 | raster | Kensan: not really :( |
| 23:01.39 | ronny | bumbl_: yeah |
| 23:01.47 | raster | weekend got filled mostly with real-life stuff |
| 23:01.55 | mwester_ | hopefully fun stuff |
| 23:02.06 | toggles_w | bumbl_: yep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwiches_That_You_Will_Like |
| 23:02.35 | Kensan | raster: well the todo list is not just for geek-stuff "buy new pants" could also be an item on that list ;) |
| 23:02.37 | toggles_w | this country is awesome |
| 23:02.45 | bumbl_ | what a waste of time |
| 23:03.06 | raster | Kensan: well didng get it done |
| 23:03.08 | raster | got it started |
| 23:04.30 | Kensan | raster: btw this one was just in and sounds interesting: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/11/2/115 |
| 23:04.51 | Kensan | don't know if it applies to the current moko kernel though |
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| 23:06.22 | mwester_ | Should be easy to see if it applies to the current source, though... |
| 23:06.28 | laen | Allright, it's not wireless-tools interfering with wpa_supplicant making it crash, it's not even udhcpc, it's wpa_supplicant itself freezing the freerunner |
| 23:06.41 | Kensan | mwester_: yup |
| 23:06.43 | laen | Making it a freezerunner. |
| 23:07.09 | Kensan | mwester_: I am cloning the knife-kernel repos ;) |
| 23:07.09 | mwester_ | or a freestopper |
| 23:07.11 | ronny | mwester_: it loosk like a git patchs, so it applies anyway |
| 23:07.38 | laen | mwester_: any chance that wpa works in your kernel/rootfs? Cause the freeze here means kernel panic/dump. |
| 23:07.51 | raster | Kensan: that |
| 23:07.54 | raster | Kensan: that'd help |
| 23:08.04 | raster | i have noticed similar problems at and right after boot |
| 23:08.14 | raster | just when the ui/wm/x is coming up/has come up |
| 23:08.19 | mwester_ | laen: It didn't lock up for me; but it doesn't keep the association for more than a few minutes with WPA. |
| 23:08.28 | raster | jffs2 io threads consuming lots of cpu |
| 23:08.46 | laen | mwester_: allright, guess i gotta figure out how to set different wireless keys for different networks then. |
| 23:09.11 | mwester_ | But if there is much opportunity for improvement, wouldn't we see boots from SD card being much faster than jffs2? |
| 23:09.17 | mwester_ | Is that the case currently? |
| 23:10.44 | Kensan | mwester_: hm don't know. I did all my bootcharting booting from internal flash. |
| 23:11.00 | mwester_ | If it helps, we should add it. |
| 23:11.07 | raster | mwester_: technically we should be able to get 6mb/sec off internal flash |
| 23:11.51 | raster | mwester_: 4mb/s shoudl be more than doable |
| 23:11.56 | raster | and not with a lot of cpu overhead |
| 23:12.07 | mwester_ | Hmm... but theoretically, anyway, we should get 10mb from SD card -- I just don't know if it the SD can sustain that, and how much that's affected by graphics. |
| 23:12.08 | raster | at least according to my sources inside samsung |
| 23:12.24 | raster | who kind of look oddly at me when i asked them about this |
| 23:12.25 | raster | :) |
| 23:12.49 | Kensan | raster: why's that? |
| 23:12.53 | raster | mwester_: and i doubt u'll get 10mb - lats time i did tests on glamo rea/writes that was 7m/sec |
| 23:13.03 | mwester_ | Ouch. |
| 23:13.12 | raster | and that of course meant 100% cpu as u were stuck in waitstates |
| 23:13.13 | mwester_ | So the fast SD cards do no good at all. |
| 23:13.18 | raster | yup |
| 23:13.28 | raster | and while u're at it cpu will be clogged doing nothng but glamo io |
| 23:13.45 | raster | as glamo is on the bus as if it were a ram chip |
| 23:13.50 | raster | and thus holds the whole soc is waitstates |
| 23:13.58 | bumbl_ | raster: so the freerunner has nothing comparable to dma? |
| 23:14.01 | raster | thats why performance is so bad with glamo and gfx |
| 23:14.05 | raster | any read/writes are hostage |
| 23:14.08 | raster | not async |
| 23:14.12 | SpeedEvil | It has DMA |
| 23:14.17 | mwester_ | So in reality, we might get better overall performance from the internal flash, with the right FS on it. |
| 23:14.19 | raster | bumbl_: it does. it doesnt work |
| 23:14.21 | SpeedEvil | But the memory controller can only do one thing at once. |
| 23:14.22 | raster | well it does |
| 23:14.26 | raster | but its even slower |
| 23:14.35 | bumbl_ | wtf? |
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| 23:14.44 | raster | it has rdma for specific peripherals (audio, etc.) |
| 23:14.50 | raster | also ram->ram dma |
| 23:15.03 | raster | there was an early experiment to get ram->ram dma working |
| 23:15.07 | Kensan | mwester_: I think the internal flash has it's own bag of issues. |
| 23:15.10 | raster | stuff adeded to kernel to support it |
| 23:15.12 | raster | then used for glamo |
| 23:15.16 | raster | throughput went DOWN |
| 23:15.23 | raster | there are limits with dma |
| 23:15.29 | raster | 1. doesnt grok virtual memory |
| 23:15.42 | raster | so u need to program it to handle fragmented memory runs manually |
| 23:15.59 | mwester_ | Kensan: I suspect there are compromises there as well, but it's probably worth exploring. |
| 23:16.00 | raster | 2. does have setup costs and u need to poll to see when its available next (i think) |
| 23:16.13 | raster | 3. so its only useful for big lumsp of ram that are not that fragmented |
| 23:16.32 | Kensan | mwester_: did you read harald's blog post about it? |
| 23:16.34 | Kensan | mwester_: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2008/10/27#20081027-nand_speed |
| 23:16.36 | SpeedEvil | scatter-gatehr DMA hardware is so nice. |
| 23:16.37 | raster | the actual performance results showed that it got at best 50% the speed of "mov" with the cpu |
| 23:16.46 | raster | SpeedEvil: it is. 2442 doesn thave it |
| 23:16.46 | raster | :( |
| 23:16.54 | bumbl_ | :( |
| 23:16.57 | raster | anyway |
| 23:17.02 | raster | result was a dismal failure |
| 23:17.06 | raster | blame me for that |
| 23:17.10 | bumbl_ | anyway: good night |
| 23:17.12 | raster | i thought it'd free up the cpu |
| 23:17.13 | raster | it didnt |
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| 23:17.20 | raster | it ALSO locked the soc up while doing dma |
| 23:17.25 | raster | so it 1. gt < 1/2 the speed |
| 23:17.27 | raster | 2. still locked it up |
| 23:17.37 | bumbl_ | :C |
| 23:17.43 | raster | 3. wasted time and effort to try the experiment |
| 23:17.54 | raster | i was wrong in hoping/assuming the 2442 was smarter :( |
| 23:18.00 | SpeedEvil | wonders how many man-years glamo has eaten. |
| 23:18.02 | raster | so anyway |
| 23:18.09 | raster | SD and gfx share the same chip (glamo) |
| 23:18.11 | SpeedEvil | (on FR) |
| 23:18.14 | raster | thus the same memory bus/access |
| 23:18.16 | Kensan | looking at the bootcharts again jffs2_gcd seems to be coming up here and there during boot... |
| 23:18.23 | raster | so any sd card io u will need to share with gfx |
| 23:18.32 | raster | and it will have the same charactersitics as video access |
| 23:18.37 | raster | ie - lock u up in waitstates |
| 23:18.59 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 23:19.01 | raster | ad i said - last time i did actual throughput number5s i was getting about 7m/s |
| 23:19.10 | raster | so any sd card that does better than that will be limited anyway |
| 23:19.13 | Kensan | patch seems to apply... gonna give it a try |
| 23:19.20 | raster | and u'll be hammering the cpu just to do the copies |
| 23:20.24 | t_s_o | i understand that GTA03 will drop glamo? |
| 23:20.40 | raster | yes |
| 23:20.47 | raster | it means no gfx accel at all is possible |
| 23:20.58 | raster | and u'll lose a certain % of memory bandwidth to lcd refresh |
| 23:21.21 | raster | but overall i think u'll see similar or much better performance for everything EXCEPT video playback |
| 23:21.50 | SpeedEvil | except video playback in exactly the right format. |
| 23:22.06 | raster | ? |
| 23:22.15 | SpeedEvil | GTA01 can already do VCD at reasonable FPS. |
| 23:22.19 | raster | i mean gta03 - if its a 2442 |
| 23:22.23 | raster | will be "worse" for vieeo playback |
| 23:22.27 | raster | as u have no codec accel |
| 23:22.32 | raster | nor yuv->rgb+scale help |
| 23:22.35 | SpeedEvil | Add 2* faster CPU and it should be possible. |
| 23:22.48 | raster | glamo could do 1 codec (mp4) |
| 23:22.54 | raster | and even then it'll have limits |
| 23:22.58 | Kensan | raster: it will be s3c610 |
| 23:22.59 | raster | it can do yuv->rgb + scale |
| 23:23.15 | SpeedEvil | GTA01 got - with my tests some time ago - about 20-24fps with normal VCD class imagery. |
| 23:23.19 | raster | but i think i calculated that to have a limti ov about 352x280 or so @ 30fps |
| 23:23.21 | raster | oir something |
| 23:23.24 | raster | let me calculate it |
| 23:23.32 | raster | oh wait\ |
| 23:23.37 | raster | thats right |
| 23:23.43 | SpeedEvil | raster: what's the screen on GTA03? |
| 23:23.46 | raster | um 320x240 vide managed 21fps |
| 23:23.51 | raster | its ont he mailing list |
| 23:24.00 | raster | as u lose cpu cycles in copying yuv to glamo |
| 23:24.06 | raster | so u need some left to do the decode |
| 23:24.12 | raster | SpeedEvil: same as best i know |
| 23:24.18 | SpeedEvil | raster: yeah - that's about what I was getting - not expanded or anything - just pasted on the buffer. in the wrong aspect ratio. |
| 23:24.19 | raster | personalyl i know u guys hate it |
| 23:24.33 | raster | but i think a 320x480 or 272x480 3" lcd would be better for the gta03 |
| 23:24.36 | raster | fewer pixels |
| 23:24.36 | SpeedEvil | s/aspect ratio/orientation/ |
| 23:24.42 | raster | but much easier to fill smoothly |
| 23:24.44 | mwester_ | thinks that would be ok. |
| 23:25.06 | raster | SpeedEvil: ooh just pasted |
| 23:25.09 | SpeedEvil | A nice fast rotate is needed I guess. |
| 23:25.15 | raster | i am also throwing in needing to expand/scale |
| 23:25.20 | raster | no scaling cuts out a lot of work |
| 23:25.29 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 23:25.35 | raster | but really |
| 23:25.42 | SpeedEvil | If you don't need to scale, but can live at 320*240 with the LCD doubling |
| 23:25.47 | raster | i think it'd be better off with a 272x480 lcd i saw |
| 23:25.48 | raster | 3" |
| 23:25.51 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise ther'es andohter big hit. |
| 23:25.52 | raster | lots of .jp phones use that lcd |
| 23:25.57 | raster | and they look gorgeous |
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| 23:26.11 | SpeedEvil | I somewhat disagree with the size. |
| 23:26.22 | SpeedEvil | However I agree that 285dpi is overkill. |
| 23:26.28 | raster | yeah |
| 23:26.29 | raster | it is nice |
| 23:26.32 | raster | dont get me wrong |
| 23:26.42 | raster | but - there is a fairly hefty price to pay |
| 23:26.44 | SpeedEvil | 180-220 would be ballpark as 'as good as 285'. |
| 23:26.49 | raster | 1. lcd refresh eats mem bandwidth |
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| 23:26.59 | raster | 2. cpu grunt needed just to fill/mnaipulate that many pixels |
| 23:27.14 | SpeedEvil | 1) I don't know how large teh buffer on the video hardware is. |
| 23:27.26 | SpeedEvil | 1) gets a lot less nasty if it reads a line at a time. |
| 23:27.32 | SpeedEvil | At max RAM speed. |
| 23:27.43 | raster | SpeedEvil: the 272x480 (widescreen) i saw was 186dpi. its really nice with actual imagery on it if u see it in a real device (i've seen it in several) |
| 23:27.51 | raster | its taller than the gta02 screen |
| 23:27.54 | raster | but a bit thinner |
| 23:28.19 | raster | imho that'd be about the optimal screen for a gta02/03 |
| 23:28.22 | raster | imho |
| 23:28.38 | raster | frankly my palm t650 with 320x320 is very nice |
| 23:28.39 | SpeedEvil | I think it doesn't really matter much, as long as it's good and relatively large. |
| 23:28.46 | raster | (slightly lower dpi - 181) |
| 23:28.58 | SpeedEvil | The software is overwhelmningly more important. |
| 23:29.01 | raster | yes |
| 23:29.04 | mwester_ | yes |
| 23:29.13 | raster | this is just a platform to get things done on |
| 23:29.22 | raster | as opposed to throising over the software on desktops |
| 23:29.37 | raster | and saying "hey loop - it works in xephyr @ 240x320!" |
| 23:29.45 | lindi- | does http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/crash-xglamo crash your glamo btw? |
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| 23:35.02 | laen | Meh this is nuts, i booted up the freerunner and was entering the code for the SIM pin, and it froze up. |
| 23:35.03 | SpeedEvil | Random question. I know GSM modules are available for a few peanuts - anyone know a vendor of DECT ones? |
| 23:36.27 | mwester_ | waits for a report from Kensan |
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| 23:45.50 | Kensan | mwester_: was off to some reallife stuff |
| 23:46.07 | Kensan | mwester_: just flashed kernel. let me see if it eats my nand or something... |
| 23:47.12 | mwester_ | np. It's pretty late for you, isn't it? |
| 23:48.17 | Kensan | mwester_: well... it usually gets late for me so it's "business as usual" I guess :) |
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| 23:53.11 | Kensan | hm seems to take off a second or two but nothing all that noticeable... |
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| 23:57.18 | Kensan | man 20 secs for bootloader and kernel is simply ridiculous |
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