| 00:00.50 | tuXXX | I built it with "kdrive minimal tslib video_cards_glamo" |
| 00:01.03 | Sargun | Hm, my OM isn't getting proper GSM |
| 00:01.06 | Sargun | any ideas? |
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| 00:01.08 | JadeFalcon | thanks, i'll try to compile that |
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| 00:02.37 | tuXXX | JadeFalcon: oh and you need this patch in files/ http://rafb.net/p/c1lKwS63.html |
| 00:02.45 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.45 | Sargun | (dbus.Boolean(True),) |
| 00:02.49 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.49 | Sargun | (dbus.Boolean(False),) |
| 00:02.57 | Sargun | Why does it go from Not ready, to ready? |
| 00:07.30 | JadeFalcon | tuXXX: ty, do you know if there is allready an overlay to collect such ebuilds? |
| 00:09.37 | tuXXX | I wish there was one, I already talked with sleipnir from #gentoo-embedded but he wasn't able to create one on overlays.gentoo.org (because it needed a gentoo dev and a gentoo project...) |
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| 00:11.18 | JadeFalcon | why not throwing that stuff at github or something? |
| 00:12.52 | tuXXX | I don't really care myself |
| 00:14.59 | guruwho | tuXXX: do you have a working phone app in gentoo? |
| 00:15.33 | tuXXX | no I only have Xorg, GTK+ and python |
| 00:16.05 | tuXXX | I don't have internet most of the time since something like a month, so I can't really work |
| 00:16.08 | tuXXX | ^^ |
| 00:16.32 | JadeFalcon | ok :-) |
| 00:16.32 | guruwho | tuXXX: did you compile in qemu or on the phone? |
| 00:16.37 | tuXXX | on the phone |
| 00:16.59 | JadeFalcon | i also do that |
| 00:17.15 | JadeFalcon | with distcc on the desktop |
| 00:17.28 | tuXXX | (because for example armv5 eabi works on qemu but the phone is armv4 and the same binaries doesn't work on it) |
| 00:17.34 | tuXXX | hum |
| 00:17.50 | tuXXX | sorry I didn't understood your question |
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| 00:18.05 | tuXXX | I don't compile in qemu or on the phone |
| 00:18.11 | tuXXX | I'm cross compiling everything |
| 00:19.22 | guruwho | armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi toolchain or armv4tl-softfloat-linux-uclibcgnueabi? |
| 00:20.08 | tuXXX | armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi |
| 00:20.08 | JadeFalcon | this was too much troubble for me, so i decided to let it compile over night :-) so the freerunner has the work now, not i |
| 00:21.20 | tuXXX | Yes, cross compiling is not straightforward, you need a correct cross-compiler, and you need to patch many packages too |
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| 00:41.09 | JadeFalcon | tuXXX: If it works, i write some words about how to do that to the wiki. Is it ok if i release your ebuild in a overlay if they work for me? |
| 00:41.43 | tuXXX | yes feel free to do it |
| 00:41.56 | JadeFalcon | ok, ty |
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| 00:49.50 | ozzloy | i have a bunch of .oggs in /root/Documents/ but i don't see them in qtopia media player. i'm running 2008.9. how do i get them to show? |
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| 01:39.56 | ljp | try /home/root |
| 01:40.06 | ljp | home/root/Documents |
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| 02:13.27 | guruwho | yay, can't boot due to a discharged battery...the catch is I have been able to boot to uBoot before and this time it was in powered host mode, ideas? |
| 02:14.35 | guruwho | I'll try external 4.5v...yikes |
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| 05:48.49 | dns53 | so any idea when 2008.10 or 2008.11 will be out? |
| 05:51.31 | guruwho | i think people are partaking in halloween |
| 06:00.23 | SpeedEvil | burns a witch. |
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| 07:36.31 | guruwho | I really like the new qtopia, totally usable |
| 07:37.55 | dns53 | they released 4.2.2? |
| 07:38.20 | emacsian | 4.4.2 |
| 07:38.56 | emacsian | can anyone point me to the release notes for 4.4.2 ? |
| 07:40.57 | guruwho | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 images |
| 07:41.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | has *lost* an FR :( *is stumped* |
| 07:41.18 | guruwho | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.18 | guruwho | http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/release-4-4-2.html release notes |
| 07:42.42 | emacsian | thanks |
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| 07:44.49 | guruwho | handwriting recognition is interesting...did 4.4.1 have that? |
| 07:45.32 | emacsian | yeah it did have |
| 07:45.49 | emacsian | i remember trying it out in 4.3.x |
| 07:45.58 | emacsian | don't remember in 4.4.1 though |
| 07:46.21 | guruwho | ok, I had only briefly tried qtopia until today |
| 07:48.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | guruwho, its not got a sim in it. *shrug* hopefully its under a pile of paperwork |
| 07:50.37 | guruwho | alarm doesn't work while suspended...how useful |
| 08:01.29 | sakkara | is the bug of audio not working after suspend fixed in 4.4.2? |
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| 08:08.05 | guruwho | ooo I just crashed 4.4.2 |
| 08:08.14 | guruwho | ouch |
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| 08:37.55 | leinir | guruwho: Alarom not working while suspended is a kernel bug |
| 08:38.02 | leinir | sakkara: as is sound not working after suspend |
| 08:38.14 | leinir | (are you seeing a common thread there? ;) ) |
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| 08:44.06 | sakkara | leinir: when my fr is in suspend, and someone calls me, it wakes up (a bit late, but thats not the pint) and i dont hear anything, the caller says |
| 08:44.58 | sakkara | if i boot and never suspend it, calls work perfectly |
| 08:45.14 | sakkara | (on qt 4.4.1) |
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| 10:11.40 | gruts | Hi, does the FreeRunner support dual sim? |
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| 10:13.02 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 10:28.14 | [Rui] | what's up with the contact list? it's PAINFULLY SLOW on 2008.9! |
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| 10:45.56 | paulproteus | gruts, No, only one SIM slot. |
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| 10:53.14 | gruts | paulproteus, SO what about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Dual_SIM ? Only for Neo 1973? |
| 10:53.53 | paulproteus | gruts, That's fine if you want to use an adapter. |
| 10:54.43 | gruts | paulproteus, But I then have to switch between the two sim cards and nobody can call me on number A, when sim B is active, right? |
| 10:55.10 | paulproteus | Right. |
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| 10:56.58 | gruts | paulproteus, Thats not cool. Is something planned to get dual sim support in later versions? |
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| 10:58.15 | paulproteus | Not that I have heard of, but the plans are still private. |
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| 11:06.24 | gruts | paulproteus, Ok, thanks nevertheless |
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| 11:29.09 | sylar | hi, any news about the release of om 2008.10 / FSO4? |
| 11:31.24 | [Rui] | haven't heard anything, sorry... |
| 11:31.58 | sylar | no problem |
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| 12:52.05 | pd | hello |
| 12:52.24 | pd | how can i change icons in shortcut on asu? |
| 12:52.27 | pd | anybody know? |
| 12:53.00 | dns53 | they use standard .desktop files |
| 12:53.49 | pd | yep there are directive icon= but what shall i write here to get my own icon in shortcut |
| 12:55.14 | dns53 | i would try the name of the icon and put your icon in the standard directory |
| 12:55.43 | pd | what is standard dir ? home dir? |
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| 12:57.33 | pd | it works :) |
| 12:57.36 | pd | thx |
| 12:57.43 | slalomsk8er | Hallo - I am a new neo user so if I missed some thing a pointer would be great. but now to the problem: is dfu-util broken on 64Bit? it works on my 32bit notebook but not on my 64bit desktop :( |
| 12:58.44 | lindi- | slalomsk8er: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=dfu-util;dist=unstable does not list any bugs |
| 12:58.55 | dns53 | slalomsk8er i think i've run it on a 64 bit distro in 32 bit mode, are you asking about a 64 bit binary? |
| 12:59.09 | slalomsk8er | oh the error is -110 after some seconds |
| 12:59.27 | slalomsk8er | yes I am on a 64bit system |
| 13:00.06 | lindi- | slalomsk8er: please report this to your distro |
| 13:00.45 | slalomsk8er | gentoo is not to frendly if you report svn source packages ;) |
| 13:01.54 | dns53 | well if you have the 32 bit glibc it might run the 32 bit binary |
| 13:01.55 | j4p13j0 | I have dfu-util running well on 64bit ... using a .deb , on ubuntu |
| 13:01.57 | lindi- | slalomsk8er: gentoo does not have ebuild for dfu-util? |
| 13:02.47 | slalomsk8er | it has but it is masked with ** so no support I guess - it is a wonder that it is in the official repos at all I guess |
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| 13:04.09 | slalomsk8er | what was the name of the tool that outputs the type of a executable? |
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| 13:05.04 | j4p13j0 | slalomsk8ter: file |
| 13:06.26 | j4p13j0 | file `which dfu-util` : /usr/bin/dfu-util: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 13:06.38 | slalomsk8er | file it was : /usr/bin/dfu-util: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped |
| 13:07.23 | j4p13j0 | can you install a .dep ? |
| 13:08.15 | slalomsk8er | don't know never did this |
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| 13:08.59 | slalomsk8er | does a 64bit executable has a chance to run with out installation? |
| 13:09.25 | j4p13j0 | Sure, if library versions match |
| 13:09.38 | slalomsk8er | I will give it a try then |
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| 13:10.08 | lindi- | i thought gentoo users would never run anything they can't compile :) |
| 13:10.10 | j4p13j0 | I used http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dfu-util/dfu-util_0.0+r4067-3.1_amd64.deb |
| 13:10.28 | j4p13j0 | lindi: lol ! |
| 13:10.39 | slalomsk8er | I never compile my openoffice ;) |
| 13:11.11 | d-b | slalomsk8er: dam why not ? |
| 13:11.15 | pd | who know how to run java app on OM? |
| 13:11.26 | pd | from shortcut not command line |
| 13:11.38 | lindi- | pd: just like on your pc |
| 13:12.12 | slalomsk8er | d-b: you need about 10Gb and a day to compile it =-O |
| 13:12.25 | lindi- | "sudo apt-get install freecol" and then "freecol" to play a java game :) |
| 13:12.34 | d-b | only ? |
| 13:12.34 | pd | lindi-: when i try execute 'cacao path_to_class' from shortcut it ends with error |
| 13:12.42 | d-b | its so worth it rofl. |
| 13:12.51 | lindi- | pd: cacao does not take filename as argument |
| 13:12.58 | lindi- | pd: it takes name of class |
| 13:13.16 | lindi- | just like all java virtual machines |
| 13:13.28 | pd | yes i know but when i exec the same command from terminal (xterm) it works |
| 13:13.38 | slalomsk8er | d-b: what's the gain? |
| 13:13.46 | pd | cacao om_note (withount .class) |
| 13:13.49 | pd | it works |
| 13:13.58 | lindi- | pd: what shortcut are you talking about? |
| 13:14.12 | d-b | slalomsk8er: nothing actually. i would prefer go-ooo over the origianl |
| 13:14.15 | d-b | original* |
| 13:14.21 | pd | standard .desktop file in /usr/share/applications |
| 13:14.35 | lindi- | pd: well, use strace to figure out how these two cases differ |
| 13:14.45 | lindi- | or just compare output of "env" in both cases |
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| 13:15.14 | pd | lindi-: could you describe how to use strace |
| 13:15.37 | slalomsk8er | d-b: never tried this one. what's there goal? |
| 13:15.50 | d-b | their ? |
| 13:16.21 | slalomsk8er | d-b: the goal of the go-ooo project |
| 13:17.10 | d-b | don't be slow be fast... be better than sun. |
| 13:17.24 | d-b | lgpl |
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| 13:17.43 | d-b | not controlled by sun. |
| 13:17.55 | slalomsk8er | d-b: nice, I will give it a try |
| 13:18.41 | lindi- | pd: strace -o strace.out -s4096 -f cacao Class |
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| 13:46.48 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbd9c8dd04440 10/packages/libxml/ (2 files in 2 dirs): libxml2-native: Compile on Ubuntu Intrepid with fortify source |
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| 14:03.28 | nyu | slalomsk8er: yeah, controlled by novell instead of sun. they give priority to OOXML, win32 support, etc |
| 14:03.40 | nyu | d-b: ^ |
| 14:04.08 | nyu | (both are lgplv3 afaik) |
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| 14:04.57 | Ke | still seeing the registration form on ooffice made me want to bomb Novell/Sun |
| 14:05.31 | Ke | we have free software so we could actually ignore this crap |
| 14:06.07 | nyu | it could be worse, some free sw projects actually implement DRM (in PDF) |
| 14:06.30 | nyu | that reminds me I wanted to check if OOo does, now that it can read PDF files |
| 14:06.30 | Ke | well that is just silly |
| 14:06.47 | tomboy64 | i don't think so |
| 14:06.58 | tomboy64 | lots of academics want to protect their pdf-works |
| 14:07.06 | Ke | btw how can I read pdf files, now that I have ooo-3 |
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| 14:07.17 | nyu | you call a "please don't let user print" bit "protection" ? |
| 14:07.23 | Ke | oowriter file.pdf just doesn't work |
| 14:07.37 | nyu | looks like a joke to me. even if the program won't let me, I can change the source code |
| 14:07.38 | tomboy64 | nyu: nah |
| 14:07.44 | tomboy64 | nyu: ridiculous |
| 14:08.04 | nyu | Ke: only in v3 |
| 14:08.25 | mjr | lots of academics are out of their minds |
| 14:08.33 | nyu | to the date, I think debian stripped off DRM from kpdf and xpdf |
| 14:08.49 | Ke | nyu: heh we don't have printer qoutas at the uni so some lecturers refuse to publish study materials in electronic form to prevent abusive printing |
| 14:08.55 | nyu | and maintains a misleading DRM API in libpoppler |
| 14:09.09 | nyu | Ke: lol |
| 14:09.21 | Ke | nyu: kpdf has an option for "obey DRM limitations" |
| 14:09.29 | nyu | Ke: sounds like they're begging you to game their system |
| 14:09.33 | Ke | nyu: I don't think it's that bad |
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| 14:09.43 | nyu | Ke: it was a build option IIRC? |
| 14:09.44 | Ke | game? |
| 14:10.00 | Ke | nyu: no, runtime |
| 14:10.02 | nyu | Ke: by printing their study materials =) |
| 14:10.09 | mjr | Ke, sounds like climbing up a tree ass-backwards |
| 14:10.12 | nyu | Ke: that's even sillier |
| 14:10.15 | Ke | nyu: as I said, I have openoffice-3 |
| 14:10.35 | nyu | Ke: it's like a "[ ] Make the program work slower" checkbox |
| 14:10.48 | Ke | well partially true |
| 14:10.57 | nyu | Ke: I was able to open some PDFs with it |
| 14:11.02 | mjr | Except slower can be useful sometimes. |
| 14:11.10 | nyu | bad example then |
| 14:11.50 | nyu | "[ ] Make the program sodomize me at random" |
| 14:12.20 | mjr | arguably, that'd be useful too |
| 14:12.27 | nyu | heh |
| 14:12.28 | tomboy64 | o.O |
| 14:12.41 | nyu | mjr: disable all buttons? ;-) |
| 14:12.41 | tomboy64 | hands nyu some lubricant |
| 14:13.36 | nyu | well, that's only the silly part; the pointless one is that they're supposed to be enforcing a security policy that can be disabled at will |
| 14:14.03 | Ke | nyu: still some people want to obey those limitations |
| 14:14.04 | nyu | it's more like a login manager with a "Don't require a password" checkbox |
| 14:14.06 | tomboy64 | not really |
| 14:14.20 | nyu | Ke: sure, but then they're not limitations, they're requests |
| 14:14.27 | tomboy64 | nyu: they give people the opportunity to obey the law |
| 14:14.31 | Ke | nyu: it's like program telling you nicely, that athor thinks you should not be doing this |
| 14:14.41 | tomboy64 | if you don't that might affect your job - if you get caught |
| 14:14.41 | nyu | tomboy64: erm, printing a document is fair use |
| 14:14.54 | d-b | nyu: yeah i like it better |
| 14:15.01 | tomboy64 | especially if working with nda-agreements |
| 14:15.05 | Ke | afaik pdf-DRM can also prevent copy-paste |
| 14:15.09 | nyu | it's perfectly legal. now whether you find it moraly suitable to do it against the will of the author, that's a different question |
| 14:15.32 | tomboy64 | nyu: not if you signed an nda-agreement |
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| 14:16.31 | nyu | tomboy64: right. and I might have signed an agreement saying my desktop background can't be blue. should me desktop env add a restriction to prevent me from setting it to blue? |
| 14:17.10 | nyu | tomboy64: now if this is a _common_ NDA (which I doubt), it may make sense to _warn_ the user about it |
| 14:17.45 | nyu | but telling the user they can't do it is like trying to rob a bank by pointing your finger |
| 14:18.03 | tomboy64 | i'm talking bout intellectual property here |
| 14:18.12 | nyu | you mean patents? |
| 14:18.33 | tomboy64 | lol |
| 14:18.35 | nyu | copyright law doesn't restrict printing a document |
| 14:18.41 | nyu | trademark law is out of scope |
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| 14:18.59 | Ke | nyu: laws are different around the world |
| 14:19.09 | tomboy64 | well, look at the documents openmoko received for the glamo chip |
| 14:19.12 | mjr | nyu, that's actually iffy in many jurisdictions nowadays; printing is making a copy, and if you have to circumvent drm to do that, it may well be illegal, depending on your local laws |
| 14:19.14 | nyu | but if "intellectual property" also includes self-appointed privileges (i.e. implemented by technical means rather than legal), then I get what you mean |
| 14:19.15 | tomboy64 | they can't distribute them |
| 14:19.17 | mjr | of course, that's insanity, but whatever |
| 14:19.20 | tomboy64 | nda |
| 14:19.28 | tomboy64 | a perfectly legal reason not to print stuff |
| 14:19.29 | nyu | mjr: making a copy is fair use |
| 14:19.38 | nyu | mjr: distributing it, maybe wouldn't |
| 14:20.03 | tomboy64 | making a copy is not fair use if it is considered to be used for distribution |
| 14:20.16 | nyu | tomboy64: what has that to do with DRM bits? they couldn't distribute them with or without DRM |
| 14:20.26 | mjr | nyu, "fair use" is a term spesific to some local legislations which may or may not apply here, I don't give a shit |
| 14:20.37 | nyu | right. and DRM tries to make it global policy |
| 14:20.53 | nyu | I know well enough what is and what isn't legal for me to do |
| 14:20.59 | nyu | don't need a program to teach me |
| 14:21.45 | nyu | (the funny thing is that legislators tend to regulate based on existing practice, so they may end up changing law to adapt to this new trend) |
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| 14:25.33 | nyu | I think I'll check OOo 3 now ;-) |
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| 14:29.46 | F4t | hey all, is there an easy way to backup the SD card? in case something bad happens i could just restore the sd card and all would work again.... ? |
| 14:31.39 | Flyser_ | F4t: do you have access to an uSD card reader? |
| 14:32.29 | F4t | i have SD card reader built into my laptop, and i should have somewhere the micro-SD to SD card... |
| 14:32.51 | F4t | laptop is running windows though.. |
| 14:32.54 | Flyser_ | F4t: then you can just copy all data to the hard drive of your laptop |
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| 14:33.21 | F4t | I think windows has problems with SD cards having multiple partitions... |
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| 14:34.11 | Flyser_ | uhm, so go and get linux :) |
| 14:34.54 | muxe | buy yourself linux ;) |
| 14:35.29 | nyu | windows has problems with everything =) |
| 14:35.37 | F4t | lol,i figured some solution like that would come up... |
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| 14:35.45 | nyu | points at http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 14:36.23 | F4t | points at diablo3,fallout3,crysis:warhead, and some more name that would put fear in cedega |
| 14:36.33 | F4t | names* |
| 14:37.09 | nyu | but you have wesnoth =) |
| 14:37.27 | nyu | anyway, dual-boot is an option too. just so you can backup your SD |
| 14:37.32 | hiciu | F4t: ssh root@fr 'tar c /media/mmcblk0p2' | gzip > sdcard.backup.tar.gz |
| 14:37.39 | lindi- | F4t: cedega is proprietary too |
| 14:37.42 | nyu | or cygwin |
| 14:38.00 | nyu | isn't cedega lagging behind wine nowadays? :-p |
| 14:38.09 | F4t | hiciu, this sounds like a good solution... can i mount mmcblk0p2 if im running from it? |
| 14:38.25 | hiciu | no, you can't |
| 14:39.08 | nyu | for runtime backups I recommend rsync |
| 14:39.09 | F4t | bah, does qtopia mess with the sd card if i have 2 partitions on it? |
| 14:39.22 | nyu | (with the right --exclude args) |
| 14:39.56 | hiciu | F4t: it will work under qtopia |
| 14:39.58 | kd8ikt | dev proc sys |
| 14:40.32 | F4t | hiciu, i remmeber something about qtopia constantly accesing sd card, and trying to mount it even though it has 2 partitions.... |
| 14:41.04 | hiciu | F4t: ssh '/etc/init.d/qpe stop; tar ... |
| 14:41.29 | F4t | ok thanks. |
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| 14:44.00 | nyu | kd8ikt: I also exclude /tmp, /media, /mnt, /lib/init/rw and some parts of /var :-) |
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| 15:00.27 | slalomsk8er | sorry that it took so long - the deial 64bit version of dfu-util has the same problem http://pastebin.com/d1810536c reconnecting the neo helps to get e meaningful dfu-util -l again |
| 15:00.52 | slalomsk8er | s/deial/debian/s |
| 15:00.59 | slalomsk8er | g |
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| 15:13.10 | nyu | slalomsk8er: dfu-util worked fine for me on amd64. which version are you using? |
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| 15:28.07 | slalomsk8er | nyu: I used the svn version from yesterday and this one http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dfu-util/dfu-util_0.0+r4067-3.1_amd64.deb |
| 15:31.32 | nyu | slalomsk8er: 0.0+r4067-3.1 worked for me |
| 15:33.05 | slalomsk8er | nyu: maybe it is the kernel or the libs then. what are the versions you use? |
| 15:33.25 | nyu | slalomsk8er: I used sid |
| 15:33.31 | nyu | not long ago |
| 15:33.44 | nyu | I guess 2/3 weeks last time |
| 15:34.28 | slalomsk8er | what reports your uname as kernel version? |
| 15:35.10 | nyu | slalomsk8er: 2.6.18 (etch) |
| 15:35.25 | nyu | (I run dfu-util in a sid chroot) |
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| 15:36.23 | slalomsk8er | I have here a 2.6.27 kernel may be this is a bit to new but in 32bit on the notebook it works |
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| 15:38.31 | nyu | slalomsk8er: it's easy to find out :-) |
| 15:41.52 | Dave | nyu |
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| 15:44.49 | slalomsk8er | nyu: do you know a dev of dfu-util? |
| 15:45.43 | nyu | slalomsk8er: uwe_ |
| 15:45.51 | nyu | in freenode. he's logged in right now |
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| 15:46.14 | nyu | uhm actually, he maintains the debian package. not sure how involved in upstream |
| 15:46.43 | slalomsk8er | thx |
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| 15:56.09 | slalomsk8er | does someone know how to disable the word guessing funktion in 2008.9 - it is impossible to enter a wifi password with this |
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| 15:56.48 | leinir | slalomsk8er: tap and hold to type specific characters |
| 15:57.15 | slalomsk8er | thx |
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| 15:58.52 | yabo | Hello |
| 15:59.11 | yabo | i am looking for a way to watch youtube-videos on my freerunner (debian) |
| 15:59.13 | yabo | any ideas? |
| 15:59.36 | lindi- | yabo: youtube-dl + mplayer |
| 16:00.12 | yabo | well |
| 16:00.23 | yabo | i only have 6MB of space left on my sdcard |
| 16:00.35 | yabo | how does one clean up to free some space? |
| 16:00.57 | yabo | its a pretty fresh debian-install, i installed Links2 and Midori |
| 16:01.07 | yabo | on a 512MB card |
| 16:01.15 | F4t | buy a bigger sd card? :) |
| 16:01.39 | yabo | hehe.. |
| 16:01.49 | yabo | well i want to watch now :-R |
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| 16:07.10 | bipak_ | is there some kernel with wifi module now? |
| 16:07.47 | F4t | yabo: you could try to mvoe the debian to the flash memory... |
| 16:07.52 | F4t | would free up the sd card |
| 16:08.03 | lindi- | yabo: buy 2G card |
| 16:08.20 | mwester | bipak_: wifi won't build as a module. |
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| 16:08.29 | lindi- | mwester: which is horrible :( |
| 16:08.33 | bipak_ | :( |
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| 16:08.41 | bipak_ | still no chance? |
| 16:08.42 | pooze | how do I do 'opkg upgrade' without restarting dropbear? |
| 16:09.25 | pooze | I'm kind of in the middle of an upgrade, where the system on the phone is unusable, and opkg upgrade keeps doing the same stuff until the ssh connection is killed by a drop-bear restart |
| 16:09.30 | mwester | bipak_: not until the kernel devs get the horrors created by atheros fixed up, and that won't be for a while (and certainly won't be on the current 2.6.24 kernel). |
| 16:09.42 | yabo | F4t, is flash big enough for that? |
| 16:09.51 | bipak_ | mwester: ok, thanks |
| 16:10.09 | F4t | yabo, reading the wiki i think it is, sec, ill link you |
| 16:11.00 | F4t | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/MovingToFlash |
| 16:11.20 | F4t | good luck |
| 16:12.12 | pooze | ah... never mine... ssh to the phone, then |
| 16:12.12 | pooze | $ DISPLAY=:0.0 openmoko-terminal2 & |
| 16:12.12 | pooze | and I can disconnect the ssh-connection while still having access to a terminal. |
| 16:12.21 | pooze | couldn't start the terminal in the normal way from the phone interface. |
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| 16:15.12 | mickey|zzZZzz | hmm |
| 16:15.18 | mickey|zzZZzz | i guess i will rename openmoko-terminal2 |
| 16:15.24 | mickey|zzZZzz | there's nothing openmoko-specific in it |
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| 16:20.07 | slalomsk8er | is it possible to join a WPA encrypted WLAN with the Om 2008.9 ? |
| 16:20.22 | mickey|zzZZzz | dunno 'bout 2008.9, but it works fine on the console here |
| 16:20.34 | mickey|zzZZzz | (running wpa_supplicant with a proper .conf file) |
| 16:21.18 | mwester | does it stay connected, mickey|zzZZzz ? |
| 16:21.29 | mwester | can't get his to stay associated for more than a few minutes. |
| 16:21.51 | slalomsk8er | well hav to get a consol with out network? |
| 16:22.28 | mwester | USB |
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| 16:28.03 | mickey|zzZZzz | mwester: seems to keep connection here, yes. although the jitter is unbearable |
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| 16:32.45 | ernst | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=V5KTcgTGzpk |
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| 16:53.26 | puppe | hallo. Just got my Freerunner and doing a opkg update for the first time. However I think it fails even though I seem to have the right address accoring to this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 16:55.55 | pooze | hmm... |
| 16:56.17 | pooze | is wondering where all my icons went after the latest opkg upgrade using the testing repositories in 2008.x |
| 16:58.49 | F4t | does anyone know how do i unpack jffs2 modify some files and pack it back? |
| 17:01.01 | lindi- | F4t: just mount it? |
| 17:01.19 | lindi- | F4t: place it to mtdram first |
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| 17:03.41 | pooze | does anybody know what has happened with the latest testing repository? |
| 17:03.44 | pooze | all the icons are gone. |
| 17:03.51 | pooze | any ideas on how to get them back? |
| 17:03.56 | pooze | downgrade some package perhaps? |
| 17:05.58 | F4t | lindi-, mtdram? |
| 17:06.50 | lindi- | F4t: find /lib/modules|grep mtdram |
| 17:07.35 | F4t | no such thing (on the moko) |
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| 17:08.02 | lindi- | F4t: in debian there is |
| 17:08.12 | lindi- | F4t: and kernel.org |
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| 17:09.04 | lindi- | F4t: anyways you probably don't have enough ram on your moko |
| 17:09.14 | F4t | i dont want to mount it on the ram,,, |
| 17:09.29 | F4t | reading a file from an smb share and writing to it should be enough, no? |
| 17:09.34 | lindi- | smb? |
| 17:09.48 | pooze | F4t: what exactly is it that you want to do? |
| 17:10.09 | pooze | jffs2 is a filesystem... a file containing the raw filesystem data. |
| 17:10.14 | pooze | it's not like a zip-file. |
| 17:10.26 | F4t | edit qtopia's jffs2 file so it won't try to mount my partitioned SD card... |
| 17:10.33 | F4t | and then flash it |
| 17:10.42 | lindi- | F4t: do it on your PC |
| 17:10.50 | F4t | lindi-, im using windows |
| 17:11.04 | lindi- | F4t: then boot debian with qemu |
| 17:11.10 | pooze | you can either mount it loopback on your computer, or flash it, THEN edit the files trying to mount SD card patitions, and reboot |
| 17:11.26 | lindi- | F4t: moko does not have enough ram for it, sorry |
| 17:11.37 | lindi- | pooze: loopback only works with mtdram |
| 17:11.42 | F4t | can it be mounted like an iso file? |
| 17:11.49 | lindi- | F4t: only via mtdram |
| 17:12.09 | pooze | lindi-: yes, that's what I meant, didn't understand he was using windows. |
| 17:12.13 | F4t | oh... ok, can i mount the flash memory? :) |
| 17:12.35 | lindi- | F4t: /dev/mtdblock0 yes |
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| 17:12.50 | F4t | ahh, much easier, ill just mount it and edit the files there... |
| 17:12.58 | lindi- | F4t: huh? |
| 17:13.23 | F4t | the moko is running debain from sd |
| 17:13.36 | lindi- | F4t: ok, then you copy it to mtdblock first |
| 17:13.54 | F4t | i already flashed the jffs2 , using the regular method... |
| 17:14.06 | F4t | that means mtdblock should have the files, right? |
| 17:14.58 | F4t | whats the file system on mtdblock0? |
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| 17:17.30 | F4t | ...?? |
| 17:17.45 | lindi- | F4t: file -sL /dev/mtdblock0 |
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| 17:18.40 | F4t | /dev/mtdblock0: data |
| 17:18.40 | F4t | ? |
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| 17:19.25 | lindi- | no fs then |
| 17:19.33 | F4t | mtdblock6 seems to be the jffs2... |
| 17:19.50 | F4t | /dev/mtdblock6: Linux jffs2 filesystem data little endian |
| 17:20.40 | F4t | yay, it seems to have worked! :) |
| 17:23.32 | F4t | thanks lindi- and pooze |
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| 17:34.07 | pooze | anybody any idea on how I can get my icons back on Om2008.8 after updating with the latest testing repository? |
| 17:38.43 | pooze | the situation is that I have booted up, in the bottom of the screen I have the installer, at the top of the screen I have a down arrow and the time. |
| 17:39.05 | pooze | when pressing the down arrow, it slides down like normal, but I have no choices there. |
| 17:39.11 | pooze | not even the normal "home" |
| 17:39.18 | pooze | and for the rest, the screen is completely black |
| 17:39.31 | pooze | as you would guess when removing all the icons. |
| 17:39.41 | pooze | seems like some program isn't running. |
| 17:39.52 | pooze | the "home"-application, if there is such a thing. |
| 17:39.57 | pooze | any clues? |
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| 17:42.06 | SpeedEvil | If this was last year, I'd be suggesting connecting to u-boot console, and doing nand erase rootfs then reflashing. |
| 17:42.14 | SpeedEvil | But that can't still be a problem? |
| 17:43.05 | pooze | if I don't get any hints or suggestions that could point me towards a solution, that is going to be what I have to do. |
| 17:43.13 | pooze | but I seriously hope that there is some alternative option. |
| 17:43.26 | pooze | could it be as simple as manually starting some program? |
| 17:43.40 | pooze | or if there is a possibility of downgrading some package? |
| 17:44.09 | SpeedEvil | search for nand erase rootfs in the wiki |
| 17:44.21 | pooze | having just upgraded from the stable image released 13th of september or so to the testing repository, I have a huge list of packages that could potentially be the problem. |
| 17:44.39 | pooze | I know how to reflash the phone. |
| 17:44.44 | SpeedEvil | Sorry. |
| 17:44.48 | SpeedEvil | I can't be much help. |
| 17:44.56 | SpeedEvil | I've not got FR. |
| 17:45.00 | pooze | but then I would be back to the stable release which I think has to be too old by now. |
| 17:45.10 | SpeedEvil | And haven't been keeping up with the latest distros. |
| 17:45.10 | pooze | ok, but thanks for replying anyway. |
| 17:45.20 | SpeedEvil | Good luck! |
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| 17:45.37 | pooze | thanks. |
| 17:46.03 | pooze | but surely I can't be the only one trying out the testing repositories on om2008 here, can I? |
| 17:46.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | hello here! has anyone tried to compile qt extended 4.4.2 with openmoko toolchain? |
| 17:46.18 | pooze | can at least somebody else confirm that the latest upgrade works for them? |
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| 17:48.56 | F4t | im not touching om... im toying with qtopia and debian :) |
| 17:49.14 | pooze | F4t: does qtopia seem to work for you? |
| 17:49.25 | pooze | I was not able to receive any calls on 4.4.1 at least. |
| 17:49.34 | pooze | I was able to make calls though |
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| 17:49.52 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 17:50.08 | pooze | and incoming sms'es seemed to copy all my inbox messages on the simcard for every incoming sms I got. |
| 17:50.19 | pooze | so I ended up having more than 300 incoming messages easily. |
| 17:50.23 | pooze | which all had to be deleted. |
| 17:50.30 | pooze | I stopped using qtopia. |
| 17:50.33 | pooze | what about debian? |
| 17:50.47 | pooze | I might want to try that one out.. but how does it work? |
| 17:51.14 | pooze | FSO actually took all my simcard-inbox-messages and forwarded them back to the original sender... :( |
| 17:51.19 | pooze | without notifying me. |
| 17:51.37 | rysiek|pl | guys, I'm planning to hack together some uSD uImage.bin + rootfs images for Neo FreeRunner containing a whole bunch of games (duke, wesnoth, openttd), apps (pidgin, tangogps, remoko) etc so that it will be easy to show what this hardware can be used for |
| 17:51.47 | pooze | luckily one of the guys receiving such a message was sitting right next to me at the time, so I could pull out the battery and never start FSO again. |
| 17:52.32 | rysiek|pl | the Big Question is: on which distro (OM2008.9? FSO?) should I base that? |
| 17:52.39 | pooze | ryiek|pl: sounds like a great idea... however, what I need first of all is a stable phone... then apps can come later. |
| 17:52.51 | pooze | I don't feel like showing off this great ... aeh... "phone" with cool apps. |
| 17:53.06 | rysiek|pl | pooze: my priorities are exactly opposite right now ;) |
| 17:53.16 | pooze | people will just show off their laptop with their apps and claim it can do the same thing... better... faster... ;) |
| 17:53.24 | rysiek|pl | pooze: I am working for an R&D lab at a technical university in Poland |
| 17:53.29 | pooze | rysiek|pl: so you have a second phone then I guess? |
| 17:53.37 | rysiek|pl | pooze: yup |
| 17:53.37 | pooze | I don't... so I need the FR working as a phone. |
| 17:53.40 | pooze | I have a laptop for my apps... |
| 17:53.40 | pooze | ;) |
| 17:53.49 | rysiek|pl | pooze: my job is to show FR as a dev platform |
| 17:53.53 | pooze | which I would also love to run on FR, but that's second priority |
| 17:54.11 | rysiek|pl | pooze: but I have been successfuly using FR with OM2007.2+updates for a while now |
| 17:54.24 | pooze | as a phone? |
| 17:54.29 | rysiek|pl | yes, as a phone |
| 17:54.32 | F4t | pooze, qtopia seemed to work until the stage where it registered on the gsm network, didnt check any further... |
| 17:54.37 | rysiek|pl | as in "mobile telephone" |
| 17:54.49 | pooze | you can successfully make and receive phone calls with 100% reliability all the time (assuming you have signals) without echo? |
| 17:55.10 | F4t | pooze, debian rules, i can call and accept calles with zhone... and wield the power of debian while im at it :) |
| 17:55.11 | rysiek|pl | pooze: more or less, yeah. no echo. quiet a bit, though |
| 17:55.23 | rysiek|pl | F4t: SD or flashed? |
| 17:55.36 | guruwho | F4t: do you have echo? |
| 17:55.46 | guruwho | that's my current issue |
| 17:56.01 | F4t | guruwho, nop, only problem i had was someone was hearing me weakly on the the side... |
| 17:56.10 | F4t | just need to play with the mic volume i think |
| 17:56.13 | pooze | I think the echo-patch should be in the latest Om2008 testing repos though, but upgrading removed all my icons.. :( |
| 17:56.30 | F4t | rysiek|pl, debian on the SD... qtopia flashed, in case ill screw up the debian :D |
| 17:56.53 | rysiek|pl | F4t: ah, nice setup. ;) what about the SD, how big is it? |
| 17:57.05 | F4t | i got 4 gig card |
| 17:57.10 | pooze | how much space do you need for debian actually? |
| 17:57.11 | rysiek|pl | sh*t |
| 17:57.16 | pooze | I still only have the 512 card. |
| 17:57.18 | F4t | wanted 8, but thats a huge price jump |
| 17:57.31 | SpeedEvil | 16 available yet? |
| 17:57.35 | F4t | dude, they cost here less then a meal in a restaraunt :D |
| 17:57.51 | F4t | and probably everywhere... |
| 17:57.54 | rysiek|pl | ffs, Om2008.8-upgrade snapshot images were just *great* for me, but w00t - they're no more on the 'net |
| 17:58.20 | Ke | btw will omgta03 have the touchscreen pen holder? |
| 17:58.25 | pooze | rysiek|pl: which images? |
| 17:58.32 | rysiek|pl | F4t: that is true, but right now I only have two 512's ;) |
| 17:58.34 | F4t | the 4gb sdhc card cost me 100 nis (23 usd) |
| 17:58.39 | rysiek|pl | pooze: OM2008.8-update |
| 17:59.03 | rysiek|pl | pooze: as in: daily snapshots |
| 17:59.05 | pooze | rysiek|pl: without upgrading to the testing repos, right? |
| 17:59.13 | rysiek|pl | pooze: huh? |
| 17:59.21 | F4t | rysiek|pl, two 512? :) what do you do with the seconds one? you can really hot-swap them ... |
| 17:59.23 | pooze | rysiek|pl: daily snapshots? I tried that yesterday, but I only had settings.. :( |
| 17:59.30 | pooze | rysiek|pl: not even a dialer... |
| 17:59.30 | rysiek|pl | pooze: exactly |
| 17:59.39 | rysiek|pl | pooze: there used to be something called 2008.8-updates |
| 17:59.48 | rysiek|pl | pooze: daily snapshots WITH a few apps |
| 17:59.54 | rysiek|pl | but they are no more |
| 17:59.57 | pooze | aha.. |
| 17:59.59 | F4t | bah full sd backup takes forever... |
| 17:59.59 | pooze | shame.. |
| 18:00.07 | rysiek|pl | ffs and those where EXACTLY what I need |
| 18:00.12 | pooze | so what do you need to get a dialer, phonebook etc? |
| 18:00.22 | pooze | are they in the installer list somewhere? |
| 18:01.17 | rysiek|pl | pooze: I think you're better off using some stable images |
| 18:01.17 | pooze | humpf... |
| 18:01.18 | rysiek|pl | pooze: like OM2007.x, 2008.8, Qtopia... |
| 18:01.18 | F4t | pooze, try debian :) |
| 18:01.18 | pooze | but that doesn't include echo cancellation or the network registering jumping behavior patch either. |
| 18:01.18 | rysiek|pl | pooze: "humpf"? I thought you wanted a working phone |
| 18:01.21 | F4t | rysiek|pl, om200x is stable? |
| 18:01.21 | pooze | yes.. but including those patches.. ;) |
| 18:01.29 | rysiek|pl | pooze: I hadn't had any echo on 2007 |
| 18:01.41 | pooze | perhaps I should go back to that one then. |
| 18:01.48 | rysiek|pl | F4t: more stable than daily and fso anyways ;) |
| 18:01.53 | pooze | but my phone is also one of those that can't handle deep sleep on the gsm |
| 18:02.04 | pooze | then I lose network connection and has to reregister once every 1-2 minutes. |
| 18:02.21 | rysiek|pl | pooze: no deep sleep, haven;'t been using it at all |
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| 18:02.31 | rysiek|pl | pooze: neod ftw ;) |
| 18:02.42 | F4t | wth is gsm deep sleep? |
| 18:02.47 | pooze | the gsm module enters some deep sleep to save power, as far as I've understood. |
| 18:02.52 | pooze | but some phones as problems with that. |
| 18:02.54 | pooze | such as mine. |
| 18:02.54 | rysiek|pl | anywhoo... be back in a jiffy |
| 18:03.02 | pooze | and loses network registration |
| 18:03.08 | F4t | pooze, which gat02 do you have? |
| 18:03.08 | pooze | ticket 1024 |
| 18:03.11 | F4t | gta02* |
| 18:03.16 | rysiek|pl | nope. the PHONE enters deep sleep, WITH gsm running |
| 18:03.18 | pooze | v5 I guess. |
| 18:03.41 | pooze | here is the ticket explaining my problem. |
| 18:03.41 | pooze | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 |
| 18:03.44 | F4t | i think i have v5 too, dont think i have the deep gsm sleep problem though |
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| 18:04.48 | F4t | how did you get this log? |
| 18:04.59 | pooze | which log? |
| 18:05.45 | F4t | in the ticket... |
| 18:05.57 | pooze | I didn't.. just recognize the behavior |
| 18:06.05 | pooze | but i think it is explained in there somewhere how to do it. |
| 18:06.11 | pooze | or with a link to some page that does. |
| 18:06.46 | F4t | ohh, k... lol i just tried to call the moko when its running qtopia but qpe is stopped... |
| 18:07.04 | F4t | it sounds on the caller's end like no one picks up |
| 18:07.21 | *** part/#openmoko slalomsk8er (n=slalomsk@static-212-101-18-183.adsl.solnet.ch) |
| 18:07.26 | pooze | hmm.. familiar. |
| 18:07.27 | F4t | i wonder how many calls i missed during the sd backup |
| 18:08.05 | pooze | and I wonder how many calls I missed during my time as a FR owner.. :-P |
| 18:08.13 | pooze | tried to call myself from the work-phone yesterday |
| 18:08.21 | pooze | out of 20 calls, I managed to get trough once. |
| 18:08.35 | pooze | not bad with a 5% hit-rate, though? :p |
| 18:08.49 | F4t | thats horrible.... i hope i dont have the same stats... i just tried one call to the moko, and it got through... |
| 18:08.59 | F4t | though i didnt have any more calls, so im starting to get suspicious |
| 18:09.04 | pooze | good.. ;) |
| 18:09.11 | pooze | I guess it has something to do with the ticket I just showed. |
| 18:09.21 | F4t | probably |
| 18:09.25 | pooze | which is why I want quite a reasonably new image. |
| 18:09.49 | F4t | how slow is the frickin sd card... all i want is to read 500 mb... gzipit.. and send over usb 1.1 to my laptop... |
| 18:10.12 | pooze | but then on the other hand... only letting 5% of the incoming calls through versus not having phone functionality at all (which is the case with the latest testing repos), the choice is still quite clear.. |
| 18:10.13 | F4t | its guess where is the bottle-neck game.... |
| 18:10.18 | rysiek|pl | hmm |
| 18:10.34 | jonkristian | dfu-util , what kind of licence is this under? |
| 18:10.38 | rysiek|pl | guys, anybody knows which feed I can subscribe to from under FSO? |
| 18:10.48 | rysiek|pl | and not have the system b0rked? ;) |
| 18:11.14 | pooze | rysiek|pl: I tried asking the same a few weeks back when trying out FSO, but got no answer then.. ;) |
| 18:11.20 | F4t | http://hidden-fso-feed.org/not-borking-stable-one/ |
| 18:11.29 | F4t | :) |
| 18:11.45 | rysiek|pl | F4t: thanks! |
| 18:12.03 | rysiek|pl | F4t: seems like hidden-fso-feed.org has duke and wesnoth! |
| 18:12.05 | rysiek|pl | cool |
| 18:12.16 | pooze | shouldn't there be a FSO MS4 out any day now? |
| 18:12.23 | F4t | lol, btw, anyone here using tangoGPS? |
| 18:12.32 | rysiek|pl | uses |
| 18:12.37 | pooze | I did.. |
| 18:12.43 | pooze | when I had a working phone. :( |
| 18:13.19 | F4t | i just finished writing yesterday the first version of my "rip-google-maps-and-store-as-tangogps-format" python script that runs on my pc |
| 18:13.34 | mickey|zzZZzz | downloads.openmoko.org contains a feed |
| 18:13.35 | pooze | F4t: why that? |
| 18:13.36 | mickey|zzZZzz | err |
| 18:13.40 | mickey|zzZZzz | downloads.bearstech.com |
| 18:13.43 | mickey|zzZZzz | or |
| 18:13.46 | mickey|zzZZzz | downloads.freesmartphone.org |
| 18:13.48 | mickey|zzZZzz | for that matter |
| 18:13.49 | pooze | F4t: isn't the openstreetsomething good enough? |
| 18:13.50 | uhsf | how are any of these games playable without an input device ? |
| 18:13.54 | rysiek|pl | mickey|zzZZzz: thanks |
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| 18:14.04 | rysiek|pl | OpenStreetMap ;) |
| 18:14.13 | rysiek|pl | uhsf: accelerometeras |
| 18:14.15 | F4t | pooze, openstreet and the rest are very bad, they show one street in 300 in israel... :-/ |
| 18:14.18 | rysiek|pl | *...meters |
| 18:14.32 | pooze | F4t: ah, I see. |
| 18:14.45 | rysiek|pl | F4t: well then, out with your FR you go and tag and map! |
| 18:14.52 | davi | F4t, improve it |
| 18:14.53 | F4t | pooze, and directly using googlemaps from tangogps = instant block by ip from google.. :) |
| 18:15.23 | davi | Google sucks |
| 18:15.28 | rysiek|pl | true |
| 18:15.29 | pooze | remember to renew your ip then.. ;) |
| 18:15.39 | SpeedEvil | You're violating the TOS using google that way. |
| 18:15.49 | SpeedEvil | They don't get the maps for free you know. |
| 18:15.50 | F4t | pooze, would do, if i wasnt leeching the neighbours internet right now :) |
| 18:16.28 | F4t | SpeedEvil, tangoGPS would cache the maps anyway, wouldnt it? |
| 18:16.50 | uhsf | so you shake the FR like a wiimote to play games? i guess i just don't get the point |
| 18:17.22 | F4t | uhsf, you can also call with the FR, unlike the wiimote :) |
| 18:17.36 | SpeedEvil | F4t: caching is against the TOS. |
| 18:17.53 | rysiek|pl | uhsf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260Kpiqv9_U |
| 18:18.04 | F4t | SpeedEvil, ow, thanks for pointing it out... |
| 18:18.40 | rysiek|pl | F4t: and leaching those maps offline for use with tangogps is also against TOS |
| 18:19.04 | SpeedEvil | Google has to actually pay a truly massive amount in license fees if they wanted to allow users to cache the tiles. |
| 18:19.42 | F4t | rysiek|pl, yea, i figured it out :) |
| 18:20.07 | rysiek|pl | and, I assume, it does not bother you least bit, right? |
| 18:20.54 | F4t | well, since its not exactly leagal ill keep it to myself, but i have no other alternative when it comes to gps in my area... |
| 18:22.34 | rysiek|pl | F4t: meh, already said - go out there and improve the maps at OSM.org ;) |
| 18:22.43 | SpeedEvil | points F4t at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide |
| 18:22.57 | SpeedEvil | Where are you F4t ? |
| 18:23.03 | F4t | but that involves walking!... |
| 18:23.06 | F4t | im from israel |
| 18:23.45 | rysiek|pl | and that makes you a better human being somehow? |
| 18:24.04 | rysiek|pl | one that can ignore TOS, and one that does not have to walk? |
| 18:24.10 | rysiek|pl | and no it does not involve walking |
| 18:24.22 | Blastur | hows the aircraft-thingie project going SpeedEvil? |
| 18:24.38 | F4t | someone who ignores tos and does not walk isnt a better human being... |
| 18:24.41 | rysiek|pl | I, for one, ride a bike and use public transportation. and guess what? tangogps saves my route so I cn update maps at hom |
| 18:24.42 | rysiek|pl | e |
| 18:25.26 | SpeedEvil | Blankoworld: slowly |
| 18:25.29 | SpeedEvil | blast: |
| 18:28.05 | Blastur | i was thinking about building a small RC-vehicle, but i know nothing about mechanics and motors .. maybe you can help me? :) like, what is the typical interface to a motor? i want to control it from my CPU |
| 18:28.22 | Blastur | i guess i cant plug it directly to a PWM port, cause the power is not enough ..? |
| 18:28.42 | quickdev | Blastur, right, you need some kind of control unit |
| 18:28.46 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8933e4669ad3 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): add skeleton for oevents subsystem documentation |
| 18:28.54 | Blastur | and what kind of motors are there? i'd like a motor which can run in forward or reverse, how do you signal that to a motor? |
| 18:29.46 | quickdev | Blastur, this is probably the wrong channel for such questions.. ;) |
| 18:29.53 | Blastur | i guess :) |
| 18:29.53 | pooze | Blastur: I'm by no means an expert, but you would need a speed-controller. |
| 18:30.14 | pooze | Blastur: the speed-controller would set the correct power to the motor depending on it's inputs. |
| 18:30.38 | Blastur | okay, but cant i simply bypass the speed controller and do that job in my own cpu? |
| 18:30.43 | pooze | I assume you just switch the + and - power to the motor for that? |
| 18:30.58 | pooze | your cpu probably can't deliver the power. |
| 18:31.00 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: ##electronics |
| 18:31.04 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: however. |
| 18:31.18 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: 99% of R/C stuff uses PWM. |
| 18:31.35 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: 0.5ms-1.5ms (or so) spaced at 20ms. |
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| 18:31.54 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: 0.5ms is 'off, left, ...' 1.5ms is 'full throttle, right, ...' |
| 18:32.15 | SpeedEvil | You get little boards that take serial in and run 8 servos. |
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| 18:32.45 | Blastur | cool |
| 18:32.57 | Blastur | you know any european online shops shipping these? |
| 18:34.16 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 18:34.59 | SpeedEvil | http://nqrc.com/ is a vendor - though in .au |
| 18:35.08 | SpeedEvil | he's a regular in ##electronics |
| 18:35.29 | SpeedEvil | ebay works too |
| 18:35.48 | Blastur | so what is the difference between a "motor" and a "servo"? |
| 18:36.07 | Blastur | a servo is a motor + a small controller? |
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| 18:36.20 | SpeedEvil | Essentially |
| 18:36.36 | guruwho | Blastur: servos have precise position control |
| 18:36.38 | SpeedEvil | it's a motor that goes to a given position represented by teh pulse-width |
| 18:37.00 | SpeedEvil | The same protocol however is used for speed controllers of 'normal' motors that go round and round. |
| 18:37.22 | SpeedEvil | Known as ESC - electronic speed controllers |
| 18:37.32 | Blastur | oh, i see .. so it counts the revolutions of the motor and determines it position? |
| 18:37.41 | SpeedEvil | Not actually. |
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| 18:37.51 | SpeedEvil | But practically. |
| 18:38.27 | Blastur | but a servo cannot spin right? like, i cant use it to drive a wheel or so? |
| 18:38.34 | Blastur | cause it can't turn more than 360 degrees? |
| 18:39.15 | guruwho | not usually, +-45 typically |
| 18:39.17 | SpeedEvil | You get similar devices which turn round. |
| 18:39.28 | SpeedEvil | Or you can repurpose stuff. |
| 18:39.41 | Blastur | so you never ever really just use a "motor" which starts spinning whenever you put power to it? |
| 18:39.42 | cjb_ie | stepper motors, but they're noisy |
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| 18:40.20 | cjb_ie | Blastur: sure you do, but there are subtleties |
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| 18:40.46 | Blastur | hmm |
| 18:40.53 | SpeedEvil | Do you for exampel care how many revs/second it makes. |
| 18:41.17 | SpeedEvil | If you have two wheels one going 101 RPM, one going 100RPM, and you think you're going straight - lulz. |
| 18:41.20 | Blastur | im just not sure what to do.. i basically want to build this small platform where i can put a camera, and the camera drives the motors |
| 18:41.40 | SpeedEvil | camera drives the motors? |
| 18:41.49 | Blastur | (so yeah, i guess i need feedback from the motors) |
| 18:41.56 | Blastur | yeah, or well, the camera platform |
| 18:41.59 | Blastur | it's a SoC |
| 18:42.34 | SpeedEvil | http://hackingroomba.com/ may be of use |
| 18:42.56 | guruwho | hehe I have one of those |
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| 18:44.30 | SpeedEvil | Also google 'servo camera wheels' |
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| 18:45.19 | Blastur | well, the I/O i have available on the camera is 2 GPIO and 1 serial |
| 18:45.36 | Blastur | so i guess one of those motor controllers would be perfect there |
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| 18:46.58 | SpeedEvil | what's this camera? |
| 18:47.04 | SpeedEvil | It's a camera dev board? |
| 18:48.08 | Blastur | i was thinking about using this: http://www.axis.com/products/cam_207w/index.htm |
| 18:48.21 | Blastur | and use its wlan for remote control |
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| 18:48.59 | Blastur | or maybe this: http://www.axis.com/products/cam_214/index.htm |
| 18:49.13 | Blastur | so i can tilt the view also :) |
| 18:49.24 | SpeedEvil | You can put your own OS on those? |
| 18:49.41 | Blastur | it runs linux |
| 18:49.54 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: that's not quite the same thing. |
| 18:50.05 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: can you run stuff on it? |
| 18:50.20 | Blastur | well, axis provides a complete SDK, you can rebuild the kernel and whatnot |
| 18:50.27 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 18:50.32 | Blastur | i personally work for axis as a kernel developer, so i can do whatever i want :) |
| 18:51.07 | quickdev | The process events/0 constantly takes 20% cpu usage. What's that? Accelerometers? How can I disable them? |
| 18:51.49 | Blastur | but i think anyone can use the platform .. there is even a 3rd party initative called CrisOS (http://crisos.org/dokuwiki/doku.php) which you can run on most of our products |
| 18:52.08 | SpeedEvil | quickdev: go to zero gravity? |
| 18:52.22 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: neat. |
| 18:52.43 | Blastur | quickdev, i think events/0 is a kernel thread handling all work queues .. so anything putting stuff into the work queues may cause that cpu usage |
| 18:52.48 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: can the end-user flash their own images and run their own software easily on mass-market units I guess is what I mean. |
| 18:53.20 | Blastur | yeah |
| 18:54.03 | Blastur | im not 100% sure if we support re-flashing, but its definitely possible.. you can enable telnet shell + ftp to upload your own apps at least, at lot of our resellers do that to brand the cameras |
| 18:54.29 | quickdev | Blastur, SpeedEvil, something to do with: hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event4 /dev/input/event0 /dev/input/event1 ? |
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| 18:55.48 | laen | Okay, i got a newbie question. I just received the Openmoko, and since the OM 2007.* wasn't great, i flashed it with OM 2008.9. |
| 18:56.00 | laen | Now, i got the usb connection working.. and i wish to SSH into it. |
| 18:56.25 | laen | But, the manual says the password is blank, though when i ssh to it and it asks for a password, and i press enter.. fails. |
| 18:56.41 | laen | If i change the root password, and use that one.. fails again. How do i ssh into it? |
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| 18:56.48 | SpeedEvil | laen: stupid question. |
| 18:57.10 | SpeedEvil | laen: you're SSHing to your FR, not the usb0 adress of your own computer? |
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| 18:57.23 | laen | No, using the IP set for usb0. |
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| 18:57.45 | prosoft | Hello |
| 18:57.54 | pd | hi |
| 18:58.21 | SpeedEvil | laen: 'the address set for usb0' - that listed in ifconfig usb0 - is your own comptuer |
| 18:58.46 | laen | Lol, okay. So, how do i ssh into it then? |
| 18:59.07 | SpeedEvil | what's the address? |
| 18:59.09 | pooze | laen: I guess your computers usb0 address is 192.168.0.200? |
| 18:59.22 | pooze | if so, I would also assume your FR's usb0 address is 192.168.0.202 |
| 18:59.22 | SpeedEvil | then 192.168.0.202 is the FR prolly |
| 18:59.26 | pooze | try that one instead. |
| 19:01.26 | laen | Ah, woops :P |
| 19:04.49 | jonkristian | hm, tangogps, when i try to register my nick, in the password column the keyboard goes away. How do i bring it back to type in a pw? |
| 19:06.41 | lindi- | jonkristian: i run the command "xvkbd" to start my keyboard |
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| 19:07.31 | yabo | so |
| 19:07.33 | yabo | df -h |
| 19:07.56 | yabo | rootfs 462M used / 464M Size |
| 19:07.59 | yabo | but |
| 19:08.12 | jonkristian | lindi-: it shows when i focus the nickname, but not in the pw |
| 19:08.32 | lindi- | jonkristian: which keyboard do you use? |
| 19:08.41 | yabo | ./dev/mmcblk0p1 has lots of free space |
| 19:08.47 | jonkristian | lindi-: the one that is shipped by default |
| 19:09.02 | yabo | and there are lots of "tmpfs" with free space tpp |
| 19:09.04 | yabo | too* |
| 19:09.08 | jonkristian | lindi-: got the freerunner today:) |
| 19:09.08 | lindi- | jonkristian: default? |
| 19:09.23 | yabo | is it possible to use this space somehow? i am looking to use apt-get install for some stuff |
| 19:09.33 | lindi- | jonkristian: sorry but i don't remember what it has, please figure out what the name of the xecutable is with "ps axuf" |
| 19:10.00 | lindi- | yabo: tmpfs is lost on reboot |
| 19:10.09 | yabo | what is tmpfs? |
| 19:10.20 | yabo | cant i add all that stuff to rootfs? |
| 19:10.24 | lindi- | yabo: filesystem that uses RAM as backing store |
| 19:10.57 | lindi- | yabo: it's better than /dev/ram0 since it can resize on demand |
| 19:11.02 | jonkristian | lindi-: multitap-pad? Other than that, i see hald-addon-keyboard |
| 19:11.07 | yabo | ok lindi- |
| 19:11.36 | lindi- | jonkristian: ok. i don't unfortunately remember how its hiding is handled |
| 19:11.47 | lindi- | yabo: just buy 2G sd card |
| 19:11.52 | yabo | thats all i can do? |
| 19:12.06 | lindi- | yabo: that's the easiest |
| 19:12.16 | lindi- | yabo: 2G sd card cost here like 8 EUR |
| 19:12.19 | yabo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.41 | lindi- | yabo: mount a diretory from your PC with nfs? ;) |
| 19:13.05 | lindi- | yabo: use nand flash in addition to SD? |
| 19:13.11 | lindi- | yabo: use compression with SD? |
| 19:13.15 | jonkristian | lindi-: I just registered with the default pw that was in the box, hehe |
| 19:13.15 | lindi- | yabo: install less software? |
| 19:13.22 | yabo | how can i use nand flash in addition to SD? |
| 19:13.32 | yabo | im looking to install some stuff with apt-get |
| 19:13.50 | lindi- | yabo: different possibilities |
| 19:13.57 | lindi- | yabo: you could put /usr to nand for example |
| 19:14.00 | lindi- | yabo: or /home |
| 19:14.11 | lindi- | yabo: or you could use unionfs to combine them together |
| 19:14.48 | yabo | how do i put /usr to nand? |
| 19:14.48 | lindi- | world is full of possibilities :) (and i'm only talking about possibilities that are in possible with thing in debian. of course you can even write new software) |
| 19:14.58 | rysiek|pl | is it still true that Debian does not support accelerometers in FR? |
| 19:15.00 | lindi- | yabo: i'm not sure you want to do that if you don't know how :) |
| 19:15.03 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: no |
| 19:15.09 | yabo | bah. |
| 19:15.13 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: depend on what support means of course |
| 19:15.27 | yabo | by the way |
| 19:15.28 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: duke3d-style |
| 19:15.35 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: is duke3d free? |
| 19:15.46 | yabo | is there better phone-software i can use with debian? |
| 19:15.54 | lindi- | we are working on it :) |
| 19:16.02 | yabo | i dont like zhone |
| 19:16.06 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: as in speech AFAIK |
| 19:16.13 | yabo | if it fails to connect to gsm the first time, it stops trying |
| 19:16.20 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: sources are available, etc |
| 19:16.27 | lindi- | yabo: sudo mount /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt; cp -a /usr/* /mnt? |
| 19:16.44 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: i couldn't find permission to redistribute the graphics |
| 19:17.04 | lindi- | yabo: i feel your pain too. zhone is just a demo app |
| 19:17.12 | yabo | alright |
| 19:17.15 | yabo | so there is nothing yet? |
| 19:17.20 | lindi- | yabo: frameworkd changing all the time |
| 19:17.28 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: oh, hadn';t thought about that |
| 19:18.02 | yabo | lindi-, do you know if Debian comes with something that can play mp3s? |
| 19:18.15 | yabo | or do i have to download mpd or something else? |
| 19:18.20 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: but i can stream accelometer data over bluetooth from the phone to control a game on my laptop |
| 19:18.25 | lindi- | yabo: mplayer |
| 19:18.50 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: ok, so mit works |
| 19:18.52 | rysiek|pl | *it |
| 19:19.02 | rysiek|pl | now... how do one start a new sms in zhone |
| 19:19.07 | lindi- | yabo: i have been planning that we need a really simple phone app that just works no matter what. then we can start to develop more fancy phone apps |
| 19:19.13 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: why wouldn't it work? |
| 19:19.32 | yabo | yes that sounds like a very good plan, lindi-. |
| 19:19.37 | rysiek|pl | dunno, on wiki/Distributions says it's not supported |
| 19:20.04 | yabo | how do you search for stuff with linux? |
| 19:20.23 | yabo | it doesnt seem like i how mplayer.. or? |
| 19:20.32 | jonkristian | Is the 2007.2 still considered the more stable featurefull distribution? |
| 19:20.59 | lindi- | yabo: hmm? |
| 19:21.03 | lindi- | yabo: search stuff? |
| 19:21.09 | yabo | search for files |
| 19:21.18 | lindi- | yabo: grep -r keyword /etc |
| 19:21.40 | yabo | grep -r mplayer / |
| 19:21.43 | yabo | ? |
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| 19:22.09 | Dave | RASTER |
| 19:22.50 | lindi- | yabo: apt-cache search mplayer |
| 19:22.59 | lindi- | yabo: if you want to search for debian packages that are not installed yet |
| 19:23.11 | lindi- | yabo: grep only searches for files that exist already :) |
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| 19:24.16 | yaboroo | haha... bluescreen |
| 19:25.30 | yaboroo | so.. |
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| 19:25.47 | yabo | mplayer |
| 19:26.11 | yabo | does the debian-package you are linked to from the wiki come with it? |
| 19:26.32 | lindi- | yabo: debian package? |
| 19:26.42 | yabo | well the... i dont know download? |
| 19:26.57 | yabo | installation |
| 19:29.10 | lindi- | yabo: huh? debian is debian, it's the whole thing |
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| 19:29.15 | yabo | alright |
| 19:29.25 | lindi- | yabo: it might not be installed though, so apt-get install mplayer |
| 19:29.40 | yabo | im trying to figure out whether or not mplayer is already installed or not |
| 19:29.48 | yabo | because i dont have space to install it... :-p |
| 19:30.11 | marsan | question: My FR halts on the splashscreen while booting (no progressbar) on OM2007.2. What do i do? |
| 19:33.19 | yabo | i suppose that if mplayer was already installed, #which mplayer would return something? |
| 19:33.52 | lindi- | yabo: dpkg -l mplayer |
| 19:34.14 | yabo | it didnt find anything |
| 19:34.18 | yabo | what about alsa |
| 19:34.25 | yabo | cant alsa play something? |
| 19:34.33 | lindi- | yabo: mplayer uses alsa here |
| 19:34.42 | lindi- | yabo: speaker-test |
| 19:35.20 | yabo | thats it? |
| 19:35.22 | yabo | :-R |
| 19:35.28 | yabo | i remember when i got slackware for my desktop |
| 19:35.44 | lindi- | yabo: "speaker-test" is a nice way to test if sounds work |
| 19:35.54 | lindi- | yabo: what do you use on your desktop now? |
| 19:35.56 | yabo | yeah, but can it play files? |
| 19:36.01 | yabo | foobar2000 (windows= |
| 19:36.06 | lindi- | urgh |
| 19:36.17 | yabo | i could use ALSA to play music in a shell on slackware |
| 19:36.19 | lindi- | yabo: you might want to learn debian on a bit friendlier environment than the phone :) |
| 19:36.23 | yabo | doesnt that work in debian? |
| 19:36.25 | lindi- | yabo: alsa is not a program |
| 19:36.29 | yabo | alright |
| 19:36.39 | lindi- | yabo: aplay foo.wav |
| 19:37.04 | yabo | nice :D |
| 19:37.44 | nyu | "the implementation of PDF import has been done according to the PDF |
| 19:37.45 | nyu | specification, there is no plan to change this." |
| 19:37.46 | nyu | geez.. |
| 19:38.19 | yabo | thanks a bunch, lindi- |
| 19:38.22 | nyu | poor win32 users |
| 19:38.32 | yabo | why? |
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| 19:38.51 | rysiek|pl | nyu: what about them and pdf? |
| 19:39.08 | yabo | lindi- |
| 19:39.47 | nyu | rysiek|pl: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=90468 |
| 19:39.49 | yabo | i only get pink-noise (is that what its called? it sounds like a radio tuned in to an empty frequency) |
| 19:40.08 | nyu | I thought that was white noise |
| 19:40.24 | rysiek|pl | white nois |
| 19:40.25 | rysiek|pl | e |
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| 19:40.49 | Ke | I doubt you can actually hear the difference |
| 19:41.00 | yabo | oh nvm |
| 19:41.25 | Ke | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_of_noise ! |
| 19:41.31 | yabo | aplay -t only takes wav, raw, and au |
| 19:41.44 | rysiek|pl | nyu: true, they are fsck-ed |
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| 19:43.34 | lindi- | yabo: 'speaker-test -t pink' is the default |
| 19:43.43 | lindi- | yabo: 'speaker-test -t sine' to hear sine |
| 19:43.58 | lindi- | yabo: yep, install mplayer |
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| 19:45.07 | yabo | neh, ill convert my file to wav instead :-R |
| 19:45.07 | yabo | guess ill have to get that 2gb-card |
| 19:45.21 | lindi- | yabo: yeah |
| 19:45.35 | lindi- | yabo: it's much more productive than trying to limit the software you can use |
| 19:46.29 | guruwho | wow playing streaming audio with mplayer uses 70%cpu |
| 19:47.13 | laen | Whats the name of a good terminal client to install with opkg? |
| 19:47.41 | lindi- | guruwho: mp3? |
| 19:47.55 | laen | been browsing the web like crazy now, didn't find the correct package name. |
| 19:48.13 | guruwho | lindi-: I believe so |
| 19:48.29 | guruwho | 192.0 kbit mp3 |
| 19:48.43 | lindi- | laen: terminal emulator? |
| 19:49.07 | laen | lindi-: yeah |
| 19:49.17 | lindi- | laen: i use xterm |
| 19:49.21 | laen | OM 2008.9 doesn't seem to come with one. |
| 19:49.35 | laen | And that one provides you with a keyboard and all? Or is that unrelated? |
| 19:49.53 | lindi- | laen: i don't understand why terminal emulator should provide virtual keyboard |
| 19:50.01 | lindi- | they are separate apps |
| 19:50.09 | laen | ah,right |
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| 19:53.05 | yabo | lindi- |
| 19:53.08 | yabo | Debian |
| 19:53.17 | yabo | is there something i will never use that can safely be removed? |
| 19:53.24 | yabo | i need a couple of megabytes |
| 19:53.26 | yabo | 4 or so |
| 19:53.59 | yabo | lets make it 2 |
| 19:54.01 | lindi- | yabo: again. if you are unsure then not :) |
| 19:54.02 | yabo | 2 megabytes |
| 19:54.10 | yabo | i hardly use anything |
| 19:54.28 | yabo | i mostly only use Nano, ssh and sshd, python, and aplay |
| 19:54.34 | lindi- | and X |
| 19:54.40 | yabo | yes ok |
| 19:54.44 | laen | lindi-: could you please give me the opkg install line, opkg install xterm doesn't do anything |
| 19:54.45 | yabo | except for that? |
| 19:54.56 | lindi- | laen: sorry i didn't read that you needed opkg |
| 19:55.08 | lindi- | yabo: well, with aptitude you can sort packages by their size |
| 19:55.12 | laen | Ah you're using debian i guess. |
| 19:55.19 | lindi- | yabo: and you can mark packages as "automatically installed" |
| 19:55.25 | laen | Anyone who can tell me the opkg line to install a terminal? |
| 19:55.28 | lindi- | yabo: then they will get removed if nothing depends on them |
| 19:55.39 | yabo | how do i sort packages by size? |
| 19:56.40 | laen | opkg install openmoko-terminal2 doesn't work either |
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| 19:57.11 | lindi- | yabo: S size RET |
| 19:57.30 | lindi- | yabo: sorry, S installsize RET |
| 19:57.41 | yabo | laen |
| 19:57.54 | yabo | i never got opkg working very well |
| 19:57.54 | lindi- | yabo: if you have VNC client i can show this interactively |
| 19:58.02 | yabo | but you can go to http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ |
| 19:58.11 | yabo | manually download the package |
| 19:58.15 | laen | kk |
| 19:58.17 | yabo | (with dependencies) |
| 19:58.50 | yabo | i think there is a list of packages with dependencies somewhere on rabenfrost |
| 19:59.25 | yabo | lindi- |
| 19:59.26 | yabo | S? |
| 19:59.32 | yabo | invalid operation S |
| 19:59.38 | lindi- | yabo: 'aptitude' |
| 19:59.49 | lindi- | yabo: then you see menus and ascii graphic |
| 19:59.55 | lindi- | yabo: then you use "S" |
| 20:00.08 | yabo | aptitude: command not found |
| 20:00.15 | lindi- | yabo: apt-get install aptitude :) |
| 20:00.29 | lindi- | yabo: but it will consume disk space of course |
| 20:00.52 | yabo | 3MB |
| 20:00.54 | yabo | usj |
| 20:01.25 | yabo | been a long time since i was worried about filezises lower than 1gb... |
| 20:01.40 | lindi- | yabo: do you have vnc client? |
| 20:01.50 | yabo | no |
| 20:01.59 | yabo | i use putty |
| 20:02.11 | lindi- | then i can't really demo this realtime for you |
| 20:02.28 | lindi- | (apt-get install xvncviewer but you do not want to do it on your phone :P) |
| 20:03.28 | yabo | the gps stuff |
| 20:03.33 | yabo | i reckon that takes som space |
| 20:03.34 | yabo | some* |
| 20:03.43 | lindi- | yabo: but really, you should get debian experience on a PC |
| 20:04.10 | yabo | ill think about it |
| 20:04.25 | Ke | btw is sshd exclusively bloat for openmoko? |
| 20:05.02 | lindi- | Ke: ? |
| 20:05.05 | mjr | of course not? |
| 20:05.56 | lindi- | xvnc4viewer is not available on arm |
| 20:05.58 | lindi- | very odd |
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| 20:06.13 | yabo | lindi- |
| 20:06.21 | yabo | what is the gps-stuff named? |
| 20:06.29 | lindi- | yabo: which part? |
| 20:06.34 | yabo | the biggest... :-p |
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| 20:07.30 | lindi- | yabo: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 20:07.55 | yabo | I want to remove the gps-software |
| 20:08.01 | yabo | to free some space |
| 20:08.38 | lindi- | yabo: dpkg -l |grep ^i will list all installed packages |
| 20:09.18 | yabo | ah |
| 20:09.18 | yabo | thanks |
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| 20:15.00 | prosoft | Does anyone know how far along bricode has come? |
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| 20:34.28 | pooze | ( https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2082 ) ... it says it's fixed... |
| 20:34.49 | pooze | could somebody not as stupid as myself point out to my where I can find the fix? |
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| 20:35.39 | pooze | apparently it was fixed 4 days ago.. still I got this issue by updating to the testing repositories ... today? |
| 20:36.21 | yabo | thanks for all your help, lindi- |
| 20:37.32 | yabo | bai |
| 20:40.15 | rysiek|pl | guys, is adding the Angstrom feed to SHR considered safe? |
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| 20:44.27 | pooze | *bumping my question* (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2082) ... in what way is this ticket fixed? the icons missing bug... |
| 20:44.39 | pooze | as far as I can see, it's just reported as fixed with no information on how it is fixed. |
| 20:44.50 | pooze | but I still got this error by updating to testing repos today. |
| 20:47.48 | darkjames | pooze, why you don't ask this question in ticket? |
| 20:48.13 | pooze | how do I do that? |
| 20:48.21 | pooze | do I have access to post there? |
| 20:48.30 | pooze | darkjames: ¯- |
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| 20:49.50 | Dave | står til |
| 20:49.51 | darkjames | pooze, just login (or register account and login) |
| 20:51.14 | pooze | darkjames: ah, right.. thanks.. :) |
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| 20:58.52 | jonkristian | Signature check failed <- Just ignore those? |
| 21:01.48 | pooze | jonkristian: yes.. there are no signature files |
| 21:04.54 | mwester | keeps forgetting to submit the patch to correct the spelling mistakes in opkg. |
| 21:06.41 | jonkristian | I've been searching, however i can't seem to figure out where i should add the media to play with the media player, there's a dotfile .openmoko-mediaplayer however it just contains strange chars. |
| 21:06.53 | Dave | hails Mwester |
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| 21:07.01 | Dave | mwester, I did that already! |
| 21:07.04 | Dave | They didn't change it :( |
| 21:07.08 | jonkristian | Isn't there a way to add music folder |
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| 21:09.53 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1c92f21334ff 10/README: change README |
| 21:13.52 | mwester | What and where did you submit, Dave? |
| 21:14.03 | mwester | (and were you polite?) |
| 21:14.41 | pooze | jonkristian: never tried the media player.. been too concerned getting the freerunner to surpass my 3310 in functionality (which is to receive calls and smses), but I think I read somewhere that you should place media files on your uSD card folder and it will be automatically detected. Did you try that? |
| 21:15.16 | jonkristian | pooze: i will try |
| 21:16.12 | leinir | Put them into a dir on the µSD named Documents :) |
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| 21:16.35 | Dave | stuffs leinir into his "Documents" |
| 21:16.48 | leinir | Meep! |
| 21:17.28 | Dave | ;) |
| 21:19.49 | jonkristian | leinir: thanks |
| 21:19.58 | jonkristian | pooze: i can receive incoming calls |
| 21:21.12 | pooze | jonkristian: I have seen a couple of fixes to address my problems... but my primary issue is to get my desktop icons back. |
| 21:21.31 | pooze | then there is this TI calypso thing on bug 1024 I'd like to try... after I get my icons back. |
| 21:22.06 | pooze | as late as yesterday I made 20 test-calls to my FR, and only one of them went through. |
| 21:23.07 | uhsf | sometimes i'm so slow to aknowledge some new device greatness |
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| 21:24.10 | uhsf | i can't believe i totally missed to pre-order first batch of the Pandora gp32x gaming device |
| 21:24.44 | uhsf | guess i'm too focused on school these days |
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| 21:41.09 | jonkristian | Hm i added .ssh/config with Port 1030 on the fr, because I want to use that instead of 22, however it doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? |
| 21:44.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | jonkristian, dont you need /etc/dropbear.conf? |
| 21:45.07 | pooze | anybody affected by the 2088 bug, not being able to open the settings application? |
| 21:45.32 | pooze | ... in 2008.testing |
| 21:46.12 | jonkristian | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, dropbear, hm, ill see |
| 21:46.45 | jonkristian | I don't have a /etc/dropbear.conf |
| 21:47.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | jonkristian, on the freerunner? |
| 21:47.15 | jonkristian | yeah |
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| 21:47.22 | jonkristian | Kamping_Kaiser: 2007.2 |
| 21:47.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. |
| 21:47.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | jonkristian, i'll boot my FR up, unless someone beats me to the answer |
| 21:47.57 | jonkristian | :) Cool |
| 21:48.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc its 2007.12, so pretty close |
| 21:48.31 | jonkristian | where would i find this |
| 21:49.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | the image i'm running is a nightly from the day before 2008.08 came out, i thought it was called .12, but could have been wrong |
| 21:54.31 | slalomsk8er | is it normal that the gsm disconnects every few seconds and reconnects a sec later with 2008.9? |
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| 21:56.26 | Tig| | slalomsk8er: there is a fix for this that is being rolled out to the new images soon |
| 21:56.55 | Tig| | it was a pita to nail down but the fix is now known |
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| 21:57.56 | jonkristian | wow, the sound sucks |
| 21:58.05 | slalomsk8er | can i preroll it or is this to complex? |
| 21:58.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | jonkristian, it might be set in /etc/default/dropbear with DROPBEAR_PORT=xxxxx but since i dont have the filde i'm not sure ;) |
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| 21:58.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | -> afk |
| 21:58.53 | jonkristian | don't have that file either, sure? |
| 21:59.34 | jonkristian | k |
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| 22:11.58 | rysiek|pl | guys, what does opkg error #2 (error parsing config files) mean? |
| 22:12.38 | rysiek|pl | *what* config file might be in question |
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| 22:36.34 | rysiek|pl | guys, if I have some ipk packages and I need to make some minor changes (i.e. an icon here and there) |
| 22:37.07 | rysiek|pl | can I just ar x thefile.ipk, tar -xzf data.tar.gz, make the changes, pack data.tar.gz back up and ar -cq all back together? |
| 22:37.19 | rysiek|pl | or do I need some magical bitbake etc.? |
| 22:39.10 | JaMa | Hello, python-etk alone cannot be set to AUTOREV in moko-autorev, because then it depends on Eina_List which isnt in python-evas with REV from sanerevs (EFL_SRCREV).. |
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| 23:21.39 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r314 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Cleanup folder structure and fix the evas.c_evas.Object error |
| 23:32.16 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r315 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Switch to the LGPL license |
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