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| 00:03.41 | Dave | oh man |
| 00:03.49 | Dave | I wish my freerunner had a punchcard slot :\ |
| 00:04.34 | SpeedEvil | 9 edge forward. |
| 00:04.43 | SpeedEvil | OTOH. |
| 00:04.46 | SpeedEvil | Camera will do that. |
| 00:04.54 | Dave | :D |
| 00:05.07 | SpeedEvil | adds that to category:'reasons for a camera' |
| 00:05.16 | Dave | hah |
| 00:05.22 | Dave | good call |
| 00:07.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | add a *decent* laserpointer for card punch |
| 00:07.20 | Dave | :D |
| 00:07.22 | Dave | yay |
| 00:07.32 | Dave | oh and none of this shit usb either please |
| 00:07.37 | Dave | I'm tired of ALL the issues |
| 00:07.42 | Dave | and exploding cables/buses |
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| 00:08.10 | SpeedEvil | Exploding buses are generally caused by religious differences. |
| 00:08.30 | muxe | -.- |
| 00:08.39 | Dave | hahaha |
| 00:08.45 | Dave | nice. |
| 00:08.47 | Dave | And yeah |
| 00:08.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | btw: just printed 140 p. on my HP 1505 laser, and it started SMOKING :o |
| 00:09.01 | Dave | This is like what, the twentieth time I've suggested that jihadists use freerunners. |
| 00:09.11 | Dave | Joerg - sounds hot :D |
| 00:09.11 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: inform it that your office is a non-smoking area. |
| 00:09.14 | Dave | literally XD |
| 00:09.18 | Dave | hahaha |
| 00:10.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | wonder what's going to happen on 400p :-\ |
| 00:11.44 | SpeedEvil | If it's first use, it can just be contamination on the fuser roller heaters burning off. |
| 00:12.33 | Dave | rofl |
| 00:12.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 00:12.38 | Dave | I blacklisted my own public key. |
| 00:12.57 | Sargun | Hahaha |
| 00:13.06 | Sargun | When will I get my 3rd GTA02? |
| 00:13.11 | Sargun | I ordered 3, I only got 2. |
| 00:13.13 | Sargun | I'm sad. |
| 00:13.16 | Dave | Oh snap! |
| 00:13.25 | Dave | Let's revolt! |
| 00:13.36 | Sargun | -_- |
| 00:13.41 | Sargun | kills Dave |
| 00:15.47 | Dave | :O |
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| 00:15.51 | Dave | moidah! |
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| 00:38.16 | chi | ok so i got a second sim for my neo |
| 00:38.26 | chi | it doesn't work either! |
| 00:38.29 | chi | cries |
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| 00:41.07 | gurugentoo | t-mobile works for me |
| 00:41.14 | chi | i use at&t |
| 00:41.17 | chi | i |
| 00:41.21 | gurugentoo | ouch |
| 00:41.23 | chi | 'm locked into a contract |
| 00:41.52 | gurugentoo | weird how they're not compatible |
| 00:43.50 | chi | the first sim had issues because it's contact points were not centered so the clip that holds it on shorts out the sim |
| 00:44.53 | chi | it was a 71234g and someone in here said they had the same problem and to get a 712340 it worked great for him. |
| 00:45.01 | chi | not so good for me =/ |
| 00:45.11 | chi | at&t had no other types of sims to try |
| 00:45.17 | chi | what do i doooo?! |
| 00:45.34 | chi | you do just stick it in and turn on the phone right? |
| 00:45.52 | gurugentoo | yep |
| 00:45.52 | chi | theres no special software to run? |
| 00:45.56 | Dave | Chi! |
| 00:46.00 | chi | kicks rocks |
| 00:46.05 | chi | hi Dave =\ |
| 00:46.52 | chi | is sad |
| 00:47.07 | slaxxin | just go to a different at&t store till u find a sim with the contacts more centered an it will cost u at most 6 bucks |
| 00:47.36 | chi | it looks like it touches fine now |
| 00:47.40 | chi | shrugs |
| 00:48.08 | gurugentoo | maybe part is touching that shouldn't? |
| 00:48.16 | chi | and the same sim worked for ... shit i forget his name |
| 00:48.23 | chi | someone in here heh |
| 00:48.24 | slaxxin | its not supposed to touch the tab |
| 00:48.36 | chi | yes the first one did touch the tab |
| 00:48.41 | chi | the second one does not |
| 00:48.44 | slaxxin | ok |
| 00:48.48 | chi | pulls it apart again |
| 00:52.15 | chi | as far as i can tell it lines right up |
| 00:52.39 | slaxxin | wont register? |
| 00:52.58 | chi | let me boot and get the exact message |
| 00:53.23 | slaxxin | so which sim u have now? |
| 00:53.41 | chi | 71234D |
| 00:53.45 | slaxxin | ahhh |
| 00:54.01 | chi | and the old one was a 71234g |
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| 00:54.27 | slaxxin | did u check the site about that 71234D card? |
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| 00:55.52 | chi | i got the url at work |
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| 00:56.35 | chi | CRAP |
| 00:56.38 | chi | it is listed |
| 00:56.43 | yerba | debian run on HTCG1? |
| 00:56.43 | chi | kicks the wall |
| 00:57.22 | yerba | anyone used Acer/Asus phones. do they run debian ? |
| 00:57.31 | chi | as does not register |
| 00:57.34 | chi | cries |
| 00:57.57 | slaxxin | AT&T Failed to register 71234 D US see below Safire Switched to T-Mobile Got strong Signal Bars with 2007.2 image despite "Registering...". Actually managed to dial and remote phone showed number, but never completed a full call. Dialer kept crashing. Pre-paid brand new sim, |
| 00:58.14 | yerba | 2k7.2 is old innit |
| 00:58.19 | yerba | isnt it up to like 2009.0 or smth |
| 00:58.21 | slaxxin | straight from the wiki |
| 00:58.40 | slaxxin | u need a 71234O |
| 00:59.04 | chi | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards#Working_and_not_working_AT.26T_card |
| 00:59.07 | chi | there are even pictures! |
| 00:59.11 | chi | head desks |
| 00:59.28 | chi | both of the ones i got are wrong! |
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| 00:59.38 | slaxxin | that 71234G card i had would work sometimes if u moved it around just right |
| 00:59.40 | yerba | i can deal with the broekn OS. . but not broken HW. any idea when GTA03 is coming? im thinkiing of just getting a G1 and upgrading to moko later |
| 00:59.59 | slaxxin | buy it from walmart |
| 01:00.08 | yerba | well the reuqird dataplan is suck |
| 01:00.10 | yerba | 55 a month for a phone? |
| 01:00.14 | yerba | im fine with wifi for data |
| 01:00.22 | yerba | can you text w/o a data plan? |
| 01:00.25 | yerba | i am clueless on this shit |
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| 01:00.34 | yerba | if 40 a month only includes phone minutes and not even text, thats just sad |
| 01:00.44 | yerba | i'll just do SIP and set up some roving 802.11 auto-connector |
| 01:01.03 | yerba | but if G1 cant really run anything outside the Androd Java-Jail then its def wait for gta03 |
| 01:01.41 | yerba | all i could find for 'g1 shell' was some Java console |
| 01:01.45 | yerba | accessed thru some hacked appp |
| 01:01.53 | yerba | and it was juust some sandboxed java console, not bash |
| 01:02.40 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards |
| 01:02.44 | yerba | its just with FIC/Acer/Asus/HTC all makking phones, we'll proably see some consolidation. i dont really see FIC succeeding imo |
| 01:02.58 | Dave | good |
| 01:03.04 | slaxxin | as per the wiki there are some 71234G cards that do work |
| 01:04.48 | yerba | hopefully MSI enters the phone game. i liked my 12" notebook from them. lated 3 years longer than any thinkpad i had |
| 01:05.18 | chi | slaxxin, i no longer have that one |
| 01:05.37 | chi | i will go back to a third at&t as soon as i can |
| 01:05.38 | chi | heh |
| 01:07.06 | Dave | :| |
| 01:07.08 | yerba | Ekiga+SIP/IAX DID + outgoing minutes will cost about $8 a month based on my past exp with a netbook. so its an issue of the SMS then |
| 01:07.14 | yerba | are there free SMS gateways over HTTP or sometyhing? |
| 01:07.23 | yerba | knowing SMS, the telcos wanna rape you to send messages to them.? |
| 01:07.25 | chi | it's my own fault i should of searched the site |
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| 01:13.27 | yerba | ok well, youre as useless as openmok |
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| 01:15.20 | chi | =/ |
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| 01:28.07 | Dave | chi, my AT&T 3G sim works fine... |
| 01:28.51 | chi | Dave, is yours listed as good on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards#Working_and_not_working_AT.26T_card ? |
| 01:29.21 | Dave | No idea |
| 01:29.23 | Dave | It's a fireball |
| 01:29.25 | chi | i have tried two and i just found out now that both are listed as bad |
| 01:29.26 | Dave | It works |
| 01:29.31 | chi | fireball? |
| 01:29.33 | Dave | yes |
| 01:29.47 | chi | can you pull it out and check the id number? |
| 01:29.52 | Dave | uggh |
| 01:29.56 | chi | no worries duude |
| 01:29.59 | Dave | :P |
| 01:30.06 | chi | i know which ones are good now |
| 01:30.20 | chi | i will print it off and make a bunch of calls to track one down |
| 01:30.34 | chi | heh from work becuase i have no other phone |
| 01:30.37 | chi | pouts |
| 01:31.50 | Dave | it looks like the one there on the wiki page |
| 01:32.11 | Dave | I didn't realize people were still whoring that |
| 01:32.19 | chi | ha |
| 01:32.48 | chi | i got both of the two pictured under Not Working SIM pics |
| 01:32.48 | chi | AT&T |
| 01:33.08 | Dave | haha that compat table blows |
| 01:34.16 | Dave | Want me to pull it and check? |
| 01:34.28 | chi | it's up to you |
| 01:34.30 | chi | but yeaa |
| 01:34.32 | chi | =D |
| 01:34.38 | Dave | or wait, I cloned it, so I might have the other one nearby with the info written on the card |
| 01:34.41 | Dave | one sec |
| 01:34.45 | chi | hrmz |
| 01:35.09 | Dave | yeah here we go |
| 01:35.13 | Dave | what did you want to know? |
| 01:35.18 | chi | the id number |
| 01:36.01 | chi | 7123? |
| 01:36.09 | Dave | 71234 |
| 01:36.23 | chi | 71234? |
| 01:36.29 | chi | no trailing letter |
| 01:36.30 | chi | ? |
| 01:36.45 | Dave | I should add myself to the wiki table then huh |
| 01:36.46 | Dave | haha |
| 01:36.51 | Dave | I gave someone this info MONTHS ago |
| 01:36.55 | chi | ha |
| 01:37.00 | chi | slacker =P |
| 01:37.22 | Dave | rips open his freerunner |
| 01:37.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | seems to remember a warning OWTTE numbers mean nothing and its only the shape of contacts U can tell type of card from |
| 01:37.52 | Dave | should I bother to upload a picture of it to the wiki then, Joerg? :P |
| 01:37.58 | Dave | like so many have clearly done |
| 01:38.11 | Dave | speaking of which, My two T-mobile SIMs work fine with it too |
| 01:38.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | someone asked for exactly this |
| 01:38.41 | Dave | Exactly what? Pictures of working SIMs? :P |
| 01:38.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 01:39.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | IIRC |
| 01:39.22 | Dave | Will do :D |
| 01:39.54 | chi | if i didn't i should have |
| 01:39.55 | chi | =P |
| 01:39.58 | Dave | Haha, let me shut the device off properly first. |
| 01:40.09 | Dave | I've blow up enough shit these past few days. |
| 01:40.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | I donät mind, I'll try to fix calypso Fw to kill #666 |
| 01:40.40 | Dave | Joerg, did you hear, somehow the usb bus shorted my battery, and surged my speakers |
| 01:40.50 | chi | whoa |
| 01:40.52 | Dave | Quite exciting, I guess. |
| 01:40.58 | Dave | Though I wasn't so entertained. |
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| 01:41.25 | Dave | I still haven't bothered to check whether or not it simply shut down or fried my notebook's USB bus. |
| 01:44.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: I'd guess same effect would be possible by a setup without FR, by simply connecting USB to speaker-cable 2.5 |
| 01:44.47 | Dave | well, joerg |
| 01:44.53 | Dave | I'm assuming that's essentially what happened |
| 01:45.04 | Dave | I [re]started the moko with both connected |
| 01:45.08 | Dave | it didn't end very well |
| 01:45.10 | Dave | :( |
| 01:45.18 | Dave | so I hope we have a warning about that somewhere |
| 01:45.19 | Dave | ALSO |
| 01:45.50 | Dave | I found that (or confirmed, if someone already mentioned it somewhere?) starting the moko with other usb devices connected can result in bad juju |
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| 01:46.15 | KenYoung | I had never heard that. |
| 01:46.27 | Dave | Hey Ken |
| 01:46.44 | KenYoung | Hi Dave - sounds like you're having a rough night. |
| 01:46.44 | Dave | I recall discussing it with someone else here within the past week. |
| 01:46.51 | Dave | haha, a rough week is more like it - heh |
| 01:47.02 | Dave | It wasn't too bad, I just had the freerunner use wireless, since it burnt out the usb :D |
| 01:47.03 | KenYoung | Sorry to hear it. |
| 01:47.13 | Dave | but now it's having battery issues again |
| 01:47.28 | Dave | Joerg, the power issues are by far what annoy me the most unacceptable. |
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| 01:50.16 | Dave | So, I guess I'll add mine to the wiki and then you can see, okay Chi? |
| 01:50.17 | Dave | :p |
| 01:55.19 | chi | yay i got qwerty =D |
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| 01:55.55 | Dave | yay I took a picture of my (long-awaited?) working AT&T SIM :p |
| 01:55.56 | Dave | woo |
| 01:57.00 | chi | did i miss the url? |
| 01:57.58 | nicfer | I've read in a blog that you'll launch the freerunner with android installed, is that right? |
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| 02:00.34 | slaxxin | not |
| 02:00.56 | Dave | Hmm |
| 02:01.02 | slaxxin | a link to that blog |
| 02:02.58 | Dave | haha fuck |
| 02:03.21 | Dave | I'm like, let's upload my SIM card picture to the wiki... oh WAIT, I can't plug in my flash card reader, because the freerunner burnt out my usb bus on that side... |
| 02:03.25 | Dave | nice... nice... |
| 02:03.25 | Dave | haha |
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| 02:05.22 | slaxxin | how did u burn it out dave? |
| 02:05.47 | slaxxin | forcing 1A? |
| 02:05.54 | mbafk | slide finger up! |
| 02:05.59 | mbafk | didnt think of that |
| 02:06.07 | Dave | no |
| 02:06.15 | slaxxin | coffee? |
| 02:06.17 | Dave | NO |
| 02:06.23 | slaxxin | BEERR |
| 02:06.44 | Dave | pours coffee and beer on slaxxin's head and adds some electricity |
| 02:06.48 | slaxxin | y jumper/ |
| 02:07.01 | slaxxin | mmmmmm good |
| 02:07.20 | slaxxin | ahhhhhh |
| 02:07.51 | slaxxin | car battery? lololol |
| 02:08.30 | slaxxin | awwwww |
| 02:09.09 | slaxxin | come on tell me sos i dont fry mine |
| 02:09.28 | slaxxin | i only have 1 |
| 02:12.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: your home stereo burnt your USB, not the FR!!! |
| 02:17.53 | Dave | :O |
| 02:18.02 | Dave | Joerg - the freerunner was the conduit! |
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| 02:20.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'd really like to hear a judges opinion on that, when OM is starting a lawsuit for damage of reputation |
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| 02:24.35 | nicfer | it appeared first on gizmodo, later on a blog in spanish |
| 02:25.25 | slaxxin | ok i c dave was embarrased |
| 02:25.30 | Dave | or damage of my audio hardware |
| 02:25.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'm definitely fed up with hearing "FR explodes", "FR boils Ur brain", "FR causes tsunami in sync with solar eclypse" an what else Dave names it |
| 02:25.46 | Dave | hahaha |
| 02:26.07 | nicfer | http://gizmodo.com/5070738/openmoko-gta02-handset-rumored-to-join-the-android-party |
| 02:26.12 | Dave | Defamation of my alter ego who happens to live in an alternate universe. |
| 02:26.19 | Dave | :D |
| 02:26.32 | nicfer | heh, 'a device similar to the Freerunner named GTA02 |
| 02:26.48 | nicfer | while the freerunner is actually the GTA02 |
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| 02:41.44 | ulix | hello |
| 02:41.51 | ulix | anyone here |
| 02:42.02 | ulix | i need help with dfu-util |
| 02:42.07 | chi | 327 people here =P |
| 02:42.07 | ulix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.25 | chi | what seems to be troubling you? |
| 02:42.56 | ulix | ok you'll see i want to upload my courrent rootfs using dfu-util |
| 02:43.15 | chi | k |
| 02:43.30 | ulix | i use "dfu-util -a rootfs -U image -R" |
| 02:44.04 | ulix | but it gets stuck on "dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 |
| 02:44.25 | chi | wish i could help more i'm fairly new and that is over my head |
| 02:44.26 | chi | =/ |
| 02:44.42 | ulix | have you and idea of wat mithg be happening |
| 02:44.49 | ulix | ok |
| 02:44.55 | ulix | i understand |
| 02:46.14 | mbafk | ulf: are you running dfu-util as root? |
| 02:46.34 | mbafk | erm ulix :) |
| 02:47.04 | ulix | yea |
| 02:47.09 | ulix | sorry |
| 02:47.49 | ulix | because i think is a bug, i was hopping some of the gurus be around |
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| 02:48.47 | ulix | but better yet could you tell me a way to save my configuration, so i can simply download the backup |
| 02:48.57 | ulix | to the gta02 |
| 02:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | ulix: you want to transfer rootfs *from* FR *to* your PC? |
| 02:50.01 | mbafk | i saved my images like this: http://acet.rdg.ac.uk/~mjeg/blog.php?p=1222708636 |
| 02:50.07 | ulix | yea |
| 02:50.10 | mbafk | look at the second blue box |
| 02:50.22 | mbafk | that is copying FR to a linux pc |
| 02:50.30 | mbafk | bootloader and all |
| 02:50.38 | ulix | ok |
| 02:51.02 | ulix | i will try that now |
| 02:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | dfu-util has a bug so it uploads until (I guess) the end of the 256MB NAND, then quits with an error msg |
| 02:51.56 | ulix | oooo |
| 02:52.00 | DocScrutinizer | takes an eternity, and not sure whether U can use the created file for anything at all later on |
| 02:53.09 | ulix | aja |
| 02:53.15 | ulix | that a bummer |
| 02:53.24 | ulix | thats a bummer |
| 02:53.43 | DocScrutinizer | seems nobody ever uses dfu-util -U, as you can use scp much more selectively and comfortably |
| 02:53.53 | ulix | mbafk, what version of dfu-util you have? |
| 02:54.54 | ulix | aja |
| 02:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | ulix: most easy way however is to copy from NAND to SDcard for a backup |
| 02:55.15 | ulix | wrong question, what version of ub-bot you have |
| 02:55.32 | ulix | i will investigate that |
| 02:55.52 | mbafk | ulix: my laptop is off at the mo |
| 02:56.16 | ulix | ok |
| 02:56.19 | ulix | dont worry |
| 02:56.27 | mbafk | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/dfu-util |
| 02:56.29 | mbafk | that one |
| 02:56.36 | ulix | i will try to copy from nand to sd |
| 02:56.44 | mbafk | -> bed |
| 02:56.46 | mbafk | good luck |
| 02:56.58 | ulix | thanks everyu one |
| 02:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | welcome |
| 02:57.28 | ulix | like arnold say " I'll Be Back" |
| 02:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 03:56.30 | slaxxin | THANK YOU KEVIN DEAN |
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| 04:41.56 | doc|home | so, which is the most usable distro day to day now. I lost track for a bit :/ |
| 04:42.18 | undrwater | phone distro? |
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| 04:42.26 | doc|home | undrwater: free runner distro :) |
| 04:42.40 | undrwater | right...but for what purpose ;) |
| 04:43.05 | doc|home | er, day to day use :) |
| 04:43.14 | undrwater | including phone? |
| 04:43.19 | doc|home | yep |
| 04:43.28 | undrwater | prolly qtopia 4.3.x |
| 04:43.33 | doc|home | aww, crap :/ |
| 04:43.37 | undrwater | yep |
| 04:43.41 | gurugentoo | doc|home: debian for me |
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| 04:43.52 | doc|home | I'd tried that, it wasn't *that* great. 4.4.1 was good, but too buggy just yet |
| 04:43.53 | undrwater | gurugentoo: no gentoo? |
| 04:43.55 | doc|home | gurugentoo: for calls too? |
| 04:43.59 | slaxxin | debian is good |
| 04:44.21 | slaxxin | 4.4.2 is coming soon |
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| 04:44.26 | doc|home | yeah |
| 04:44.28 | gurugentoo | doc|home: zhone is somewhat lacking in contacts, but works otherwise |
| 04:44.29 | slaxxin | qtx* |
| 04:44.30 | doc|home | this weekend they hope |
| 04:44.47 | doc|home | gurugentoo: sound ok? sms messaging, resume? |
| 04:45.07 | gurugentoo | undrwater: gentoo is complicated...haven't gotten it going |
| 04:45.29 | undrwater | gurugentoo: haven't tried it yet...hoping to...if i can ignore my kids :P |
| 04:45.34 | slaxxin | doc have u tried fdom? |
| 04:45.44 | gurugentoo | doc|home: actually hven't tried sms |
| 04:45.55 | gurugentoo | suspend resume works |
| 04:45.59 | doc|home | slaxxin: nope, have 4.4.1 on my machine right now |
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| 04:47.11 | undrwater | has anyone heard the interference over FM radio while nand is running? |
| 04:47.41 | doc|home | slaxxin: should I? :) |
| 04:47.55 | undrwater | FDOM is nice |
| 04:48.04 | undrwater | you should TRY it |
| 04:48.40 | doc|home | hehe |
| 04:48.51 | slaxxin | well if your waiting for 4.4.2 then buy a neopwn an share it with us |
| 04:48.57 | doc|home | I'm not dependent on my freerunner yet, still have my craporola so it's ok |
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| 04:49.15 | doc|home | slaxxin: hah |
| 04:49.22 | undrwater | <--crapeo |
| 04:49.59 | undrwater | i've got 2 of them tho...going to try raster's image on the other |
| 04:50.10 | doc|home | is the neopwn distro available? |
| 04:52.30 | slaxxin | its debian an it cost real money |
| 04:53.36 | undrwater | not the fake stuff we spent to get the neo |
| 04:53.53 | slaxxin | nope |
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| 05:03.50 | doc|home | hmmm, fdom's not in the comparison table |
| 05:05.11 | undrwater | fdom IS 2008.8 with many pre-installed apps and fixes |
| 05:05.31 | doc|home | ok, thanks |
| 05:07.40 | raster | hugs his own images |
| 05:07.46 | kd8ikt_ | and lots of broken things too |
| 05:09.03 | undrwater | kd8ikt_: that's what makes it fun! |
| 05:09.15 | undrwater | will install raster's treo image someday soon |
| 05:09.31 | raster | i need to do updated ones |
| 05:09.41 | raster | now with full intl lang support and wizardy goodness |
| 05:09.49 | undrwater | wooho |
| 05:09.53 | undrwater | *ooo |
| 05:10.46 | doc|home | kd8ikt_: like what? |
| 05:10.50 | raster | buys with some code atm tho |
| 05:11.12 | raster | need to fix slipwin window list |
| 05:12.13 | undrwater | what's that? |
| 05:12.52 | raster | the list of windows that slides up from the bottom |
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| 05:29.41 | undrwater | exalt for moko? |
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| 06:14.45 | spyre | raster: have you given up on gsmd2? ;) |
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| 06:18.33 | raster | spyre: i havent had time |
| 06:18.40 | raster | but it wants nothing to do with my treo |
| 06:18.52 | raster | probably because the serila port needsa a bizarre baudrate |
| 06:19.00 | raster | i havent tried on my fr lately |
| 06:19.11 | raster | i did get as far as having my treo modem work tho |
| 06:19.17 | raster | was missing kernel stuff |
| 06:20.37 | BobOfDoom | yeah |
| 06:20.44 | BobOfDoom | I started looking at it as well |
| 06:21.18 | BobOfDoom | need to add a modem file for the bcm21xx with the 460800 baud and the weirdo wake signal |
| 06:21.40 | rooly | anyway |
| 06:21.43 | rooly | i learned my lesson |
| 06:21.51 | rooly | don't upgrade from the angstrom repos |
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| 06:22.10 | spyre | raster: ok, keep me informed :) |
| 06:24.33 | raster | i am just busy fixing some illume stuff right now |
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| 08:09.05 | kd8ikt | heh remoko is soo cool |
| 08:09.20 | kd8ikt | really freaked my friend out |
| 08:09.40 | Ke | can you make phone calls with it? |
| 08:09.58 | kd8ikt | he's like lemmie see if i can hack into your phone through bluetooth i was like ok i'll turn it it on |
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| 08:10.17 | kd8ikt | then he shit himself when i took over his mouse |
| 08:11.06 | kd8ikt | i neaed to make a fullscreen keyboard |
| 08:14.05 | kd8ikt | and yes i cans makes calls |
| 08:14.37 | Ke | \o/ |
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| 08:19.27 | dent | hi |
| 08:19.30 | fish_ | is the remoko dev in here? |
| 08:19.48 | Wonka | fish! :) |
| 08:19.51 | dent | yesterday I upgraded my FSO install and ended up with broken terminal |
| 08:19.52 | fish_ | hi Wonka |
| 08:20.00 | dent | is this a known issue/are there any workarounds? |
| 08:20.06 | kd8ikt | no but i''m playing with it |
| 08:20.08 | pthorin | däremot så verkar det funka dåligt, jag får bara ett resultat tillbaks :) |
| 08:20.16 | pthorin | sorry, wrong chat |
| 08:20.27 | kd8ikt | infact i'm typing on my moko now |
| 08:21.19 | methril|gone | nice |
| 08:21.26 | methril|gone | what client? kd8ikt |
| 08:21.53 | kd8ikt | remoko bluethooth |
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| 08:22.39 | kd8ikt | ttake over mouse &keyboard [hid] |
| 08:23.02 | kd8ikt | human interface device |
| 08:23.23 | kd8ikt | same way reg cheap bluetooth mice work |
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| 08:25.26 | gurugentoo | is there an alarm clock in debian that will wake the FR from suspend? |
| 08:26.24 | kd8ikt | the whole suspend proccess is a bit vague to me |
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| 08:27.35 | gurugentoo | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td797028 this might work |
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| 08:29.41 | cdrum_ | hi everyone, i'm running openmoko testing, and when I run an application like TangoGPS, the fonts and buttons are gigantic. I used to have 2008.9, and it was much smaller (like i could see all the butons on the screen) |
| 08:29.47 | cdrum_ | anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 08:35.02 | cdrum_ | is it a gtk application font problem? |
| 08:35.24 | kd8ikt | i think it might be enlightenment related |
| 08:35.27 | kd8ikt | wm |
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| 08:36.11 | cdrum_ | oh.. |
| 08:36.29 | cdrum_ | ok, let me set the default wm to illume (from asu) and see if that helps |
| 08:36.39 | cdrum_ | seeing from the screenshots, the buttons aren't dark grey anymore |
| 08:36.53 | andred | cdrum_: create a /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 with the following content: "gtk-font-name="Serif 5" |
| 08:36.59 | andred | cdrum_: that shoud fix it |
| 08:37.30 | cdrum_ | ok andred, I'll try that, thanks. will let you know if that fixes it |
| 08:39.25 | cdrum_ | Tha'ts it |
| 08:39.33 | cdrum_ | andred: thanks, that worked |
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| 08:39.47 | andred | cdrum_: yw |
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| 08:53.15 | HauDyr | This weeks XKCD == EPIC |
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| 08:59.02 | Shlee | Someone should update the frontpage.. QTExtend 4.4.2 was released |
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| 09:08.50 | Shlee | weird, I cant get my OM into DFU mode.. |
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| 09:22.00 | cdrum_ | Shlee: it was updatd yesterday, but someone took it off i guess |
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| 09:39.48 | dent | anybodu running current fso-testing? |
| 09:40.15 | dent | openmoko-terminal2 and pidgin stopped working for me :-/ |
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| 09:45.22 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:49.41 | Blackhex | hello, please what does this message mean? ERROR: grass-6.3.0: http://grass.itc.it/grass63/source/grass-6.3.0.tar.gz has no entry in conf/checksums.ini, not checking URI |
| 09:50.23 | Blackhex | better say how do I add checksum |
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| 10:19.11 | xMDKx | morning |
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| 10:39.37 | ernst | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=8-3mVf72zLE |
| 10:43.50 | ernst | can i make a backup from freerunner with dfu-util ? can onyone give me a howto ? |
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| 10:45.01 | dent | well, I don't have DFU util here, but it can both download and upload |
| 10:45.20 | ernst | as a jffs2 ? |
| 10:45.21 | dent | I guess -U would be the switch, do a dfu-util -h to find out |
| 10:45.53 | dent | well depends of what is it you want to backup - if you mean the root partition, then yeah, it should be a JFFS2 image |
| 10:46.25 | ernst | can you give me the commands ? |
| 10:46.30 | ernst | i'm a user |
| 10:46.45 | dent | sorry, I'm at work on a windoze box... no dfu-util here :-/ |
| 10:46.56 | ernst | ok |
| 10:47.09 | dent | anyway opening a terminal window and doing "dfu-util -h" is easy |
| 10:49.27 | ieatlint | dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U output.jffs2 |
| 10:49.43 | dent | btw. I just found: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 |
| 10:49.48 | dent | so maybe upload is broken |
| 10:49.48 | ieatlint | and note that you must have the FR connected directly to the usb controller (no hub) |
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| 10:52.05 | ernst | thanks |
| 10:52.46 | MrShleee | ok, 4.4.2 doesn't read my contacts from the sim. |
| 10:52.57 | MrShleee | show stopper.. :( |
| 10:53.11 | cjb_ie | and it's worth noting that some laptop (and even some desktop) usb ports may not be directly connected to a root usb controller |
| 10:55.05 | dent | hm, let me try again... anybody running recent fso-testing? |
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| 11:01.20 | ieatlint | more evidence the gta03 will use the samsung 6410 soc... "adds 6410 bitbang support ready for GTA03 pmu init later" on a patch just applied to the tree |
| 11:02.38 | ieatlint | http://www.arm.com/community/display_product/rw/ProductId/2644/ for specs |
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| 11:16.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | yeah |
| 11:17.14 | ieatlint | ok, i'll take that as an "unofficial confirmation" then :) |
| 11:17.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
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| 11:17.40 | ieatlint | and an excited outlook... indeed, as steve said, the issues with the gta02 will indeed "not be an issue" :) |
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| 12:15.58 | Dave | lint. |
| 12:23.50 | toggles_w | Dave: ! |
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| 12:30.42 | Dave | Yes, it is I! |
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| 12:41.14 | ulf | account list |
| 12:41.19 | ulf | ups, wrong window |
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| 13:00.42 | chi | is there a way to hide the installer? |
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| 13:05.55 | Pander | hi all |
| 13:06.08 | Pander | what is the exact license on the openmoko icons set? |
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| 13:26.11 | Pander | they can fall under the app or the lib part in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/License |
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| 14:03.28 | chi | esc key in qwerty? |
| 14:03.42 | chi | gah, stuck in vi |
| 14:03.43 | chi | =/ |
| 14:03.58 | chi | oh there it is |
| 14:03.59 | chi | heheh |
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| 14:30.57 | dent | anybody here using recent fso-testing? |
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| 14:35.13 | tomboy64 | dent |
| 14:35.19 | tomboy64 | meta-question! |
| 14:36.07 | dent | ? |
| 14:36.26 | dent | I'm here whole day lurking and periodically asking... |
| 14:36.44 | Tm_T | why? |
| 14:37.05 | dent | well, I upgraded FSO on my neo... and ended up with broken terminal |
| 14:37.18 | quickdev | dent, it's known |
| 14:37.25 | dent | aha, I thought so |
| 14:37.33 | dent | where can I find more info on that? |
| 14:37.33 | Tm_T | dent: instead of asking to ask, just ASK |
| 14:37.47 | dent | I did, like twice... eventually almost gave up |
| 14:37.54 | dent | anyway thx for re now |
| 14:38.33 | Tm_T | dent: no you didn't ask |
| 14:39.25 | Tm_T | instead of asking "has anybody used foo?" ask "I tried foo and had this and this problem, whattodo?" or so |
| 14:39.54 | dent | 09:19:50 < dent> yesterday I upgraded my FSO install and ended up with broken terminal |
| 14:39.58 | dent | 09:20:00 < dent> is this a known issue/are there any workarounds? |
| 14:39.59 | dent | that's it... |
| 14:40.01 | dent | 10:39:48 < dent> anybodu running current fso-testing? |
| 14:40.04 | dent | 10:40:15 < dent> openmoko-terminal2 and pidgin stopped working for me :-/ |
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| 14:40.08 | dent | not that it would be particularly important now |
| 14:40.22 | dent | so... where can I find more info on that issue pls? / are there any known workarounds/solutions? |
| 14:40.48 | dent | I tried to peek info FSO mailing lists, maybe I just missed it |
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| 15:09.05 | slaxxin | how do i get qt extended all i can get is a 54 meg php file? |
| 15:09.20 | slaxxin | operator malfunction |
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| 15:22.29 | Kensan_ | slaxxin: try the direct link: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=98 |
| 15:22.49 | Kensan_ | slaxxin: sorry this one: http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-flash.tgz |
| 15:23.26 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r542b0ca2c131 10framework/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 15:23.26 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] add TI-Calypso specific modem option called 'ti_calypso_deep_sleep'. |
| 15:23.26 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: Valid values are: 'never', 'adaptive' (default), and 'always'. See Om bug #1024. |
| 15:23.48 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf70161d1e34f 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' |
| 15:23.50 | Kensan_ | slaxxin: or rename your php file into qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-flash.tgz |
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| 15:26.17 | slaxxin | OK |
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| 15:27.28 | slaxxin | i thought it was a jffs2 file? |
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| 15:46.45 | slaxxin | ok |
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| 15:48.49 | slaxxin | 54 megs is lightweight |
| 15:51.46 | Blackhex | Hello, I managed to compile gdal but there is build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gdal-config file installed which gives (when used in other software building process) with --libs argument path to libgdal.la file. Shouldn't be that libgdal.so? How can I change gdal bb script to do proper "install" (There is only build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gdal-1.3.2-r0/gdal-1.3.2/.libs/libgdal.so file present |
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| 16:12.56 | zuarko | hi everyone |
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| 16:15.15 | zuarko | how many hours can the battery works with a moderate use? |
| 16:15.24 | zuarko | I mean always like a phone |
| 16:15.30 | zuarko | anda a little as GPS |
| 16:15.34 | SpeedEvil | The software isn't there yet. |
| 16:15.43 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't properly power save. |
| 16:15.45 | Blackhex | What can I do about "ERROR: QA Issue: package gdal contains bad RPATH", please? |
| 16:16.13 | zuarko | yes, I've read about it, but I'm still interested ;) |
| 16:16.27 | zuarko | that's why I want to know how long can it work |
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| 16:17.09 | Blackhex | I used the phone with Qtopia 3.3.2 three days without charging |
| 16:17.14 | kd8ikt | depends on a lot of factors |
| 16:17.53 | SpeedEvil | zuarko: a week standby, probably - with adequate software. |
| 16:17.57 | SpeedEvil | zuarko: the software isn't there yet. |
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| 16:18.47 | zuarko | kd8ikt, I suposse you mean about what things you do with it, how long you talk... |
| 16:18.53 | SpeedEvil | A week standby. 24h mp3, 7 or so hours 'active' are probably sane numbers with optimal software. |
| 16:18.59 | DaveLab | How are you gentlemen? |
| 16:18.59 | kd8ikt | exactly |
| 16:19.03 | SpeedEvil | However, the powersaving software isn't there yet. |
| 16:19.07 | SpeedEvil | Largely. |
| 16:19.14 | DaveLab | Needs more op-amps |
| 16:19.15 | sakkara | with qtextended without suspend, my batt holds 4-5 hours.... |
| 16:19.20 | kd8ikt | trick or treat bitsches |
| 16:19.43 | SpeedEvil | throws a LM324 at DaveLab. |
| 16:19.57 | Blackhex | DaveLab: dev? |
| 16:20.15 | DaveLab | Bob, I've been very impressed. My zire has been 2 weeks without AC power and when brought out of resume it says it still has roughly 38min of battery left. |
| 16:20.22 | kd8ikt | puts on a scary mask (speedevils's face) |
| 16:20.25 | DaveLab | Blackhex, how are you? |
| 16:20.33 | DaveLab | Kd8ikt, trick-or-treat? |
| 16:20.46 | Blackhex | DaveLab: fine, just fithing with gdal + grass, err :-( |
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| 16:21.29 | DaveLab | Uhh, may I ask, how it's going? |
| 16:21.45 | DaveLab | Since you seem a bit... disappointed. |
| 16:22.21 | Blackhex | I just stopped at lot of "ERROR: QA Issue: package gdal contains bad RPATH" messages after whole day of constant compilation error fixing |
| 16:23.22 | zuarko | there's a lot of info and I'm half way reading it |
| 16:23.26 | DaveLab | At least you're not one of the many people bitching at me about Bad magic number on the latest uBoot :p |
| 16:23.41 | DaveLab | So, hey, at least it's something different for me :D |
| 16:24.00 | zuarko | the Standby mode is an "active" mode? |
| 16:24.09 | zuarko | I mean, you can receive calls? |
| 16:24.19 | DaveLab | Yeah, well, the power saving scheme names are misnomers. |
| 16:24.23 | zuarko | or is a half-shutted down mode? |
| 16:24.25 | DaveLab | It never really shuts down. |
| 16:24.40 | DaveLab | It's still on (stays hot), unfortunately. |
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| 16:27.20 | zuarko | I haven't downloaded it yet, but I suposse openmoko it's written in C++, isn't it? |
| 16:28.27 | mickeyl | not really, no |
| 16:28.36 | mickeyl | it contains thousands of components |
| 16:28.41 | mickeyl | all written in different languages |
| 16:28.43 | mickeyl | kernel is C |
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| 16:28.49 | mickeyl | current userland mostly C |
| 16:28.54 | mickeyl | current UI mostly C++ |
| 16:29.00 | mickeyl | next-gen middleware mostly Python |
| 16:29.06 | mickeyl | next-gen UI mostly Python as well |
| 16:29.13 | mickeyl | some Java components |
| 16:29.15 | mickeyl | etc. |
| 16:29.20 | zuarko | oh, ok |
| 16:29.44 | mickeyl | next-gen middleware is dbus-based, so you can have fun with everything that talks dbus |
| 16:30.09 | zuarko | hehe |
| 16:30.14 | zuarko | this really looks great |
| 16:30.20 | zuarko | I've discovered it yesterday |
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| 16:31.53 | Torikun | How do you upgrade Qt extended> |
| 16:32.19 | Blackhex | Torikun: you can use update package |
| 16:33.08 | Torikun | Where is that? |
| 16:33.18 | Torikun | I jnow that opkg does not work with qt well =) |
| 16:33.45 | Blackhex | opkg update your kernel and base utils |
| 16:33.58 | Torikun | that always crashed my phone in the past |
| 16:34.00 | Blackhex | qtopia is everything in /opt/Qtopia |
| 16:34.13 | Blackhex | I udpated sucessfully sometimes .-) |
| 16:34.24 | Torikun | I seen package manager |
| 16:34.26 | Torikun | but nothing there |
| 16:35.04 | Blackhex | update for qt extended is here http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=88 |
| 16:35.07 | Torikun | ah i am fining |
| 16:35.23 | Blackhex | that's only for third party applications which is currently not much used |
| 16:35.25 | Torikun | can not connect to server |
| 16:35.26 | Torikun | dam |
| 16:36.28 | Torikun | I wish wireles worked |
| 16:36.31 | Torikun | the browser looks cool |
| 16:36.45 | zuarko | and where can i download the source files? It seems it's in openmoko.com but I don't find the link |
| 16:37.16 | Blackhex | zuarko: of what? |
| 16:37.29 | Torikun | When will wifi work on qt? |
| 16:37.42 | zuarko | the core |
| 16:38.01 | Blackhex | zuarko: of what? :-) |
| 16:39.15 | Blackhex | you can use MokoMakefile to build ASU stable or testing from sources |
| 16:39.18 | Torikun | Blackhex: Update was not working because there is not feed for 4.4 yet =( |
| 16:39.56 | zuarko | one moment blackhex, I've founded the framework model, I'll tell you in a moment ;) |
| 16:39.59 | Kensan_ | Torikun: http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-flash.tgz |
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| 16:40.21 | Blackhex | Torikun: as far as I know there are no updates in feed for 4.3 too. There are only few additional packages |
| 16:40.37 | Torikun | Do you know when wifi will work? |
| 16:40.51 | Torikun | Batter life on qt is amazing |
| 16:41.17 | Blackhex | no, but someone told me that on 4.3 wifi worked |
| 16:41.32 | Torikun | Mine never detects anything |
| 16:41.57 | Torikun | in console it does |
| 16:41.58 | Blackhex | so mine detects even on 4.4.1 but I can't connect |
| 16:42.34 | Torikun | iwlist eth0 scan detects |
| 16:42.38 | Torikun | but gui does not |
| 16:43.08 | Blackhex | and what qt extended you have? |
| 16:43.46 | Torikun | 4.4.2 |
| 16:44.09 | Blackhex | so I can't tell you I didn't manage to try 4.4.2 yet |
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| 16:44.29 | Torikun | Ah |
| 16:45.33 | Torikun | Blackhex: What keyboard do you use |
| 16:46.08 | Blackhex | on qt? that white full keyboard |
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| 16:46.36 | Torikun | hard to type |
| 16:46.42 | Torikun | w/o pen |
| 16:46.58 | Blackhex | sometimes even with :-) |
| 16:47.20 | Blackhex | I have to relocate now, I may be back soon... |
| 16:48.10 | Torikun | take care |
| 16:49.36 | zuarko | I see the architecture includes frameworks as gsreamer and odeviced, but I supossed modified versions are used |
| 16:50.37 | dario__ | does anyone know how to use the "Qt Extended update for Neo" to upgrade a qtextended image? |
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| 16:52.02 | Torikun | dario__: The 4.4.2 does not have the update repo yet |
| 16:52.14 | Torikun | Dunno about image |
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| 16:53.17 | dario__ | Torikun: what? I'm talking about the package that can be found @ qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads |
| 16:56.45 | Torikun | ah |
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| 17:03.24 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r8221db85397b 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
| 17:03.24 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetStatus(): make sure network provider is always shown in |
| 17:03.24 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: alphanumerical format. Thanks Alastair Johnson for spotting. |
| 17:03.33 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5202e7d02890 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' |
| 17:06.43 | slaxxin | wassa |
| 17:08.12 | mortenlysgaard | Hi. I was just wondering. Anyone have experiences with hardware usb keyboard? |
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| 17:24.11 | slaxxin | android on a moko ,, haha that will MAKE u guys step up to the plate lololloll |
| 17:24.20 | Torikun | I am waiting slaxxin |
| 17:24.57 | slaxxin | almost embarassing |
| 17:25.00 | Torikun | Openmoko is a fail |
| 17:25.13 | Torikun | they are going to release a new phone in 6 months when they can not even product a functional OS |
| 17:25.14 | slaxxin | for now it is |
| 17:25.28 | Torikun | Pretty soon, there will be 3 phones that do not function |
| 17:25.42 | dolf1074 | 6 month, yeah right. It will be a year before the phone hit the market |
| 17:25.49 | Torikun | Trust me |
| 17:25.49 | Torikun | soon |
| 17:25.51 | slaxxin | these are developmental phones |
| 17:25.55 | Torikun | they will be releasing a new one |
| 17:25.56 | Torikun | lol |
| 17:26.04 | Torikun | We , the customer are getting screwed |
| 17:26.09 | Torikun | they should use 1 phoen and make it work |
| 17:26.23 | slaxxin | hardware hardware |
| 17:26.32 | Torikun | no os no os |
| 17:27.18 | slaxxin | well its looking better |
| 17:27.40 | Torikun | Not really |
| 17:28.00 | d-b | Torikun: i love my debian phone. |
| 17:28.08 | Hiretto | Torikun noobs :o |
| 17:28.21 | Hiretto | freerunner is a devel phone |
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| 17:28.39 | Hiretto | if you want a end-noobs-user you need to wait the om2009 |
| 17:28.43 | d-b | Hiretto: mmm om2008.... is very usable |
| 17:28.44 | Torikun | that is not getting much development when a newer phone will be relesed soon |
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| 17:28.59 | Hiretto | i don't know, i dont use it |
| 17:29.01 | d-b | Torikun: yeah it will |
| 17:29.10 | Hiretto | and, so what? |
| 17:29.21 | Hiretto | the new phone, gta03, will be released with om2008 |
| 17:29.24 | Torikun | Qtopia works very will except for wireless |
| 17:29.25 | tomboy64 | d-b: no, it isn't |
| 17:29.26 | Hiretto | om2009 |
| 17:29.45 | d-b | um..... why not rofl |
| 17:29.46 | Torikun | The os is not very good, I think they should slow down and focus on that |
| 17:30.19 | d-b | Torikun: i think the om2008 needs a fix. debian boots faster rofl. |
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| 17:30.49 | dolf1074 | Torikun, the new phone will not be released 'soon'. Where do you get that from? |
| 17:31.16 | Hiretto | you don't know how is the om2009 |
| 17:31.45 | dolf1074 | Btw, Om is at the moment focusing on the basics part. So actually make the device work. |
| 17:31.45 | Torikun | My sources |
| 17:31.49 | Torikun | they are saying about 6 months |
| 17:32.10 | d-b | Torikun: probably more when released |
| 17:32.25 | dolf1074 | And for gta02, they also said 6 months and 1,5 year later it still wasn't there |
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| 17:32.43 | Torikun | this is coming from a important person in the company |
| 17:32.59 | SpeedEvil | torpor: when? |
| 17:33.01 | d-b | Torikun: so was the info re the gta02 |
| 17:33.03 | SpeedEvil | Torikun: when |
| 17:33.07 | Torikun | I dunno |
| 17:33.09 | Torikun | he would not say |
| 17:33.13 | Torikun | soon was all I heard |
| 17:33.18 | d-b | they wanted to keep people interested |
| 17:33.27 | SpeedEvil | Torikun: Openmoko does not use conventional date operators. |
| 17:33.28 | Torikun | hopefully they will keep the freerunner going |
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| 17:33.37 | Torikun | for a long time |
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| 17:33.55 | Torikun | This phone has potential with Android |
| 17:33.59 | SpeedEvil | Torikun: 6 months after January 2008 isn't June 2008. |
| 17:34.03 | d-b | Torikun: community projects are also here now. |
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| 17:34.24 | Torikun | I want to port my backup program to the free runner =) |
| 17:34.24 | dolf1074 | Torikun, openmoko doesn't tell anybody a time for when something has to be ready. It was so for gta02, it was so for om2008.8. So now they would told it to someone in Germany and you know that? |
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| 17:34.39 | d-b | + i want geode + firefox |
| 17:35.02 | d-b | http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/10/introducing-geode/ |
| 17:36.31 | lindi- | Torikun: my backup program is a shell script |
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| 17:36.57 | Torikun | Mine is kinda like that but in java with more functianlity, uses tar in the bg |
| 17:37.18 | Torikun | http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?page_id=210 |
| 17:37.25 | Torikun | I want to port it to the openmok |
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| 17:40.14 | d-b | eeeeep java my ram |
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| 17:42.13 | slaxxin | port man port |
| 17:42.41 | slaxxin | i have patience |
| 17:43.11 | slaxxin | i thinkdebian may win the race |
| 17:43.37 | d-b | slaxxin: ....only when fso is ready. |
| 17:49.23 | d-b | showers. |
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| 18:01.18 | Dave | Torikuns |
| 18:01.24 | Torikun | Dave: ! |
| 18:01.36 | Torikun | sup |
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| 18:01.48 | Dave | Hello! |
| 18:01.55 | Dave | Just breaking stuff, you know |
| 18:01.58 | Dave | Same old, same old :p |
| 18:01.59 | Torikun | up in the hood my bruddah |
| 18:02.01 | Torikun | ah |
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| 18:03.44 | Dave | :p |
| 18:06.31 | Pander | does anyone now where the 'splash-write applet not found' originates? |
| 18:07.20 | Dave | exquisite |
| 18:07.22 | Dave | or the lack thereof |
| 18:07.45 | Torikun | I wish it did find it |
| 18:07.47 | Dave | I believe it originally was the case due to the lack of an appropriate symlink |
| 18:07.53 | Dave | I believe exquisite now fixes this (??) |
| 18:09.41 | Wonka | Pander: "applet not found" is a message of busybox |
| 18:10.33 | Wonka | Pander: that one comes from "splash-write" being symlinked to "echo" when exquisite is removed, which itself is a symlink to busybox, which does not know what to do when called as "splash-write". |
| 18:10.34 | Pander | is messeage at boot time |
| 18:11.05 | Pander | perhaps because I use Om2008.9.splash.gz |
| 18:11.20 | Wonka | Pander: one can workaround that by removing the splash-write symlink and creating a shellscript in its place containing nothing but »echo "@$"« |
| 18:11.33 | Wonka | Pander: not at all. |
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| 18:11.44 | Pander | well, if they don't do any harm, I'll leave it at what it is at the moment |
| 18:11.58 | Wonka | Pander: ...splash.gz is a splashscreen image flashed into the splash partition and shown by u-boot |
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| 18:12.03 | Pander | was just testing QtExtended 4.4.2 but no way that thing will boot |
| 18:12.27 | uhsf | i'd take boot faster rather than splash screen please |
| 18:13.00 | Wonka | uhsf: i'd like to see all the messages exquisite hides from me - so i remove it |
| 18:13.21 | Pander | perhaps i'm gonna try this one http://people.openmoko.org/olv/tmp/fastboot/ |
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| 18:22.10 | tdobson | what is the most sensible filesystem to flash my microsd card with? |
| 18:22.22 | cjb | vfat |
| 18:22.32 | tdobson | 16/32? |
| 18:22.57 | tdobson | out of interest, why not ext2? |
| 18:23.39 | mjr | depends what you want to do with it |
| 18:24.06 | Pander | vfats can be mounted easily on windows machines |
| 18:25.29 | tdobson | probably just store files on it |
| 18:26.01 | Pander | but if you probably will never use the flash on a windows machine, what is the best filesystem |
| 18:26.02 | tdobson | i dont encouter many windows machines, but with fdom soon to integrate usb massstorage mode i might as well make it work.. |
| 18:26.40 | Pander | I would use it mainly for large files like MP3 and movies and some small files like address book etc |
| 18:28.21 | cjb | tdobson: ext2 is the next choice, but it's still suboptimal because it reuses the same blocks many times (AIUI). |
| 18:28.31 | cjb | ext3 is awful and will destroy your SD :) |
| 18:28.44 | tdobson | i see. thanks :) |
| 18:29.10 | Pander | why is ext3 bad for microSD? |
| 18:29.52 | tdobson | erm because to keep it all nicely organised it constantly makes lots of changes |
| 18:30.14 | Pander | and microSD doesn't like that? |
| 18:30.22 | tdobson | because flash, at the moment, wears out faster than other sorts of media - eg magnetic hard disks, this is a problem |
| 18:30.30 | Pander | keej |
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| 18:31.15 | mjr | I've yet to see substantive evidence that the extra writes due to ext3 in any kind of normal use break the card before you'd toss it anyway |
| 18:31.51 | Pander | freerunner is designed to be used for 2 years according to its specs ;) |
| 18:31.55 | SpeedEvil | it depends on how pessimal the wear leveling is. |
| 18:32.00 | tdobson | so basically, if you want to reduce the lifespan significantly, use ext3. if you care about keeping your data working, safe and not buying new ones frequently dont use ext3 (ntfs would probably be the same i think but noone would use it on their neo) |
| 18:32.17 | tdobson | Pander: eek. mine better last longer than that |
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| 18:32.34 | Torikun | i am |
| 18:32.35 | F4t | hey all |
| 18:32.39 | zouzou | cjb: if ext3 is bad, what would be a better alternative? |
| 18:32.40 | Torikun | I am running vista on mine |
| 18:32.53 | gurugentoo | hah |
| 18:32.53 | cjb | zouzou: vfat, like I said. |
| 18:33.08 | tdobson | Torikun: lol |
| 18:33.09 | Pander | I had a sony ericsson, good brand by the way, but they have managed to tune back the settings in the factory of the machines so much that it will barely survice a year |
| 18:33.18 | Pander | paint is coming off etc etc |
| 18:33.48 | Pander | so just before your yearly contract expires it starts breaking down and you have to choose (buy) a new one |
| 18:34.03 | tdobson | my phone before the freerunner was a nokia 3310 |
| 18:34.04 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:34.08 | tdobson | very good phone |
| 18:34.19 | Torikun | my only phone is the dam freerunner |
| 18:34.20 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:34.21 | tdobson | obsolete, but well made, easy to fix.. |
| 18:34.29 | Torikun | Thank god QT is stable on it |
| 18:34.36 | tdobson | i use FDOM |
| 18:34.46 | Pander | well 4.4.2, I can't get it running |
| 18:35.22 | Pander | Qt 4.4.1 is a bit braindead |
| 18:35.43 | Pander | want FDOM but waiting that the kernel is a bit more optimised |
| 18:35.52 | Torikun | 4.4.2, works great |
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| 18:37.30 | Pander | see my post about the magic bitmask regarding 4.4.2, which kernel do you use? |
| 18:37.50 | tdobson | should probably put up a disclaimer that he is the primary fdom mirror so naturally biased |
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| 18:41.41 | Torikun | the one on the qt |
| 18:41.44 | Torikun | mwester kernel |
| 18:42.19 | Torikun | 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 |
| 18:42.51 | Pander | with or without the "min" or "all" modules |
| 18:42.53 | Pander | ? |
| 18:43.39 | tdobson | i understand the next fdom release will use the mwester kernel |
| 18:43.47 | tdobson | i dont know the detaisl about modules |
| 18:44.53 | tdobson | it will be intersting to see what happens... *when* parts of symbian finally becomes free software # http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10075085-94.html |
| 18:45.15 | Pander | todasy i got an email from andy from OM that soon they will release a kernel with all the patches from mwester |
| 18:45.34 | Pander | he was in touch with mwester about this |
| 18:49.27 | Pander | OM can do this too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/automobiles/autospecial2/30phone.html?_r=2&oref=slogin |
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| 18:50.29 | Pander | can=should |
| 18:51.50 | nyu | zouzou: ext2 |
| 18:52.48 | zouzou | nyu: because it is not journalized? |
| 18:52.53 | nyu | zouzou: yep |
| 18:53.15 | nyu | or vfat is you don't mind case unsensitiveness and other fun stuff |
| 18:53.15 | zouzou | so in that sense, anything that is not journalized it fine for microSDs |
| 18:53.31 | nyu | zouzou: not fine, but better than a journaled fs |
| 18:53.41 | nyu | "fine" would be e.g. jffs2 |
| 18:54.05 | nyu | or good wear leveling below your ext2 |
| 18:54.15 | zouzou | oh i see |
| 18:54.22 | zouzou | thanx for the clarification |
| 18:58.50 | mjr | jffs2 on sd is mostly silly |
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| 19:05.26 | nyu | mjr: do sds have wear leveling? |
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| 19:06.12 | mjr | that would be "yes" |
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| 19:10.21 | Pander | how do work on FDOM when I only want to change text files and icons for a personal look and feel? |
| 19:10.42 | Pander | howis the jff2 unpacked and repacked |
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| 19:12.58 | chi | at&t no longer carries any sims that work inthe neo freerunner =\ |
| 19:15.28 | ColdFyre | yes they do |
| 19:15.37 | ColdFyre | i jsut got one a few weeks ago |
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| 19:24.53 | chi | ColdFyre, no one has them up here =\ |
| 19:25.42 | ColdFyre | where is "here" |
| 19:27.25 | ColdFyre | "here" for me in the sunny south san francisco bay area in beautiful northern california, they joyfully gave me a sparkling shiny new SIM card devoid of charge |
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| 19:38.05 | chi | MN |
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| 20:10.07 | cjb | hm, how can I turn off the screen turning off after ~10 seconds of idle on FSO? |
| 20:14.04 | toggles_w | click the little wrench top right |
| 20:15.01 | Dave | Happy halloween motherfuckers. |
| 20:15.07 | toggles_w | Dave: ! |
| 20:15.25 | toggles_w | so.. can someone tell me hoe to get a .edj file? is it compiled frmo a .edc? |
| 20:15.27 | Dave | yeah yeah, I know |
| 20:15.28 | Dave | It's me |
| 20:15.30 | Dave | Everyone get ecited. |
| 20:15.32 | Dave | excited |
| 20:15.39 | toggles_w | dances a little jig |
| 20:16.11 | toggles_w | and why are there no html files on doc.enlightenment.org? |
| 20:16.35 | toggles_w | ahh, found one.. |
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| 20:23.20 | cjb | toggles_w: hm, setting that to "off" doesn't actually change anything |
| 20:24.14 | toggles_w | cjb: oh.. sorry, i just assumed it worked.. |
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| 20:34.11 | mmp | Hello; I just tried qtopia 4.4.2; is it OK that the media player doesn't seem to play mp3s ? |
| 20:34.30 | mmp | (nor 'Documents' shows them) |
| 20:35.51 | SiNiESTrO | is away: Ausente por ahora. |
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| 20:38.54 | F4t | yay, my python maps downloader from google for the tangogps works! |
| 20:39.48 | ColdFyre | nice |
| 20:40.35 | Sargun | Hm, the OM uses up more power than USB provides :-(( |
| 20:40.53 | F4t | now i can download huge zoom-nesting levels without google constanly blocking me, and without the moko, truly offline databse generation :) |
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| 21:01.21 | [Rui] | hi all, 2008.8-update was removed?? |
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| 21:04.09 | Dave | probably |
| 21:04.13 | Dave | it's outdated and crusty |
| 21:04.59 | [Rui] | Dave: you think? it worked better for me than 2008.9 |
| 21:05.15 | [Rui] | well, the daily from 20081029 sucked, let's hope today's sucks less :) |
| 21:06.29 | Dave | heh |
| 21:06.38 | Dave | Yeah well, 2007 works better for me than anything else! |
| 21:06.45 | Dave | so yeah :P |
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| 21:08.47 | daMaestro | lol |
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| 21:18.17 | Dave | holy fucking shit, what is with these new motherfucking file upload "semantics" |
| 21:18.29 | Dave | motherfucker, I don't have the fucking file on my pc locally! |
| 21:18.33 | Dave | This isn't a stickup1 |
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| 21:21.38 | [Rui] | Dave: and how's your equipment after the voltage problem? |
| 21:25.48 | Dave | Okay, so to whoever was asking, I updated the "SIM complaint" page on the wiki :p |
| 21:26.06 | Dave | and don't ask me why the guy below me has problems with the same SIM |
| 21:26.12 | Dave | I don't know, go ask him :p |
| 21:26.21 | Dave | Rui, it's not back to normal. |
| 21:26.23 | Dave | =[ |
| 21:27.45 | [Rui] | Dave: bad luck :( |
| 21:27.59 | [Rui] | hms... no ip |
| 21:28.05 | [Rui] | rebooting again |
| 21:28.39 | Dave | whee |
| 21:30.42 | [Rui] | oh i forgot, this network I'm in uses the same address space... ok, ip route add .../32 dev usb0 ;) |
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| 21:41.07 | Dave | :P |
| 21:41.09 | Dave | silly Rui :D |
| 21:41.09 | [Rui] | damn |
| 21:41.12 | [Rui] | Collected errors: |
| 21:41.12 | [Rui] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.12 | [Rui] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:41.24 | [Rui] | triple damn |
| 21:41.26 | [Rui] | root@om-gta02:~# opkg list \*gstreamer\* |
| 21:41.26 | [Rui] | root@om-gta02:~# |
| 21:41.42 | Dave | eh oh |
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| 21:41.54 | [Rui] | and no Om2008.8-update :( |
| 21:42.20 | Dave | aren't we at 2008.9 now? |
| 21:42.21 | Dave | at least. |
| 21:42.26 | [Rui] | Dave: works worse |
| 21:42.30 | Dave | heh |
| 21:42.39 | Dave | Hey, I never said you SHOULD upgrade ;D |
| 21:42.47 | Dave | pets his 2007.2 freerunner |
| 21:43.26 | Ainulindale | Dave: you still didn't try SHR ? |
| 21:43.33 | Dave | I heard I should yet. |
| 21:43.36 | Dave | Shouldn't |
| 21:43.46 | Ainulindale | Heard ? |
| 21:43.47 | Dave | I heard it was still way too alpha for me to start ripping it apart :) |
| 21:43.58 | Ainulindale | Who told you that and when ? |
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| 21:44.11 | Dave | A handful of users (heh), and one dev |
| 21:44.18 | Dave | This was perhaps a few weeks ago? |
| 21:44.27 | Ainulindale | We didn't officialy release yet because we don't have some stuff we want to have |
| 21:44.29 | Dave | Perhaps since then it's shaped up, but I've heard nothing but good things. |
| 21:44.34 | Dave | Yeah. |
| 21:44.36 | Ainulindale | But just so you know I've been using it for a month now |
| 21:44.45 | Dave | Awesome. |
| 21:44.45 | Ainulindale | But I'm biased as a developer |
| 21:44.50 | Dave | Indeed :) |
| 21:44.51 | [Rui] | well, better 2008.9 than nothing (which is what daily still is :( ) |
| 21:44.57 | Dave | I'll throw it on a freerunner tomorrow then! |
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| 21:45.06 | Ainulindale | And the handful of users you just told about |
| 21:45.18 | Ainulindale | I bet this is the user who tried to install the first image |
| 21:45.23 | Dave | heh |
| 21:45.23 | Ainulindale | Without a single thing parametered |
| 21:45.28 | Ainulindale | Which is indeed stupid |
| 21:45.32 | Dave | Well no, a couple have used it for several weeks now. |
| 21:45.40 | Dave | I guess it was more of the same, it's not quite complete yet |
| 21:45.45 | Dave | but as I said, nothing but good things... :) |
| 21:45.50 | Ainulindale | By complete what do you mean ? |
| 21:45.55 | Dave | I have no idea. |
| 21:45.58 | Dave | Ask them! :P |
| 21:45.59 | Ainulindale | "Can I use it to do any basic telephony stuff ?" |
| 21:46.01 | Ainulindale | Well yes it is |
| 21:46.05 | Dave | heh |
| 21:46.08 | Ainulindale | It does suspend, calls, contacts, and sms |
| 21:46.17 | Dave | hot |
| 21:46.24 | Dave | I can't wait to deface it. |
| 21:46.39 | Ainulindale | Oh I'm sure there are bugs |
| 21:46.45 | Dave | >:) |
| 21:46.50 | Ainulindale | But it's working a lot better than 2007.2 |
| 21:46.50 | Dave | I'm good at breaking things :p |
| 21:46.53 | Ainulindale | Except for PIM |
| 21:46.58 | Dave | I sure hope so! |
| 21:46.58 | Ainulindale | As there's no PIM right now |
| 21:47.04 | Ainulindale | (waiting for that in frameworkd) |
| 21:47.07 | Dave | As 2007.2 is still my salvation :) |
| 21:47.30 | Ainulindale | Just be careful with the lengthy first boot |
| 21:47.55 | Dave | rut roh |
| 21:48.02 | Dave | How lengthy are we talking about exactly? |
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| 21:48.14 | Dave | My last 2007 install takes at least 5.5min to boot. |
| 21:48.18 | Dave | And at most 7 |
| 21:48.22 | Ainulindale | Heh |
| 21:48.26 | Dave | Yeah, pretty shitty. |
| 21:48.31 | Ainulindale | Dave: I talked about the first and only first boot |
| 21:48.38 | Ainulindale | Other boots are correct |
| 21:48.43 | Ainulindale | Not good but correct |
| 21:48.45 | Dave | Ah, right, and also suspend? |
| 21:48.52 | Ainulindale | Suspend is working every time |
| 21:48.53 | Dave | I'm worried about memory leakage and corruption. |
| 21:49.00 | F4t | improved my tangogps map downloader, now it can skip full-sea tiles... so it wont zoom in and download another 4 sea tiles :) |
| 21:49.03 | Ainulindale | Or I didn't see any problem using it for the last month |
| 21:49.08 | Dave | As in, suspending repeatedly over time slows it down and you have to reboot every X days. |
| 21:49.18 | Ainulindale | Dave: Didn't experience that here |
| 21:49.39 | Dave | Well, so long as we don't use openmoko-today, hald, or pulseaudio, I think we're safe :D |
| 21:49.43 | Dave | also, Xglamo ~_~ |
| 21:55.55 | Dave | Mmhmm, time to put on my freerunner costume, go out and earn me some canday! |
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| 22:22.28 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r6f7db0edde18 10framework/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 22:22.28 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fixed bogus logic and sent-on-wrong-channel bugs in |
| 22:22.28 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SetCallingIdentification. |
| 22:22.37 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r19951f80da73 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' |
| 22:22.45 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 22:46.24 | Sargun | How do you get into the NAND boot menu? |
| 22:47.00 | darkjames | Sargun, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Log_into_U-Boot_in_the_NAND_Flash |
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| 23:04.40 | break_free | how do you run a command on display 0? |
| 23:04.46 | break_free | display=0? |
| 23:05.18 | darkjames | DISPLAY=:0 xclock |
| 23:05.20 | Ke | DISPLAY=":0" command ? |
| 23:06.34 | ieatlint | use ":0.0" ... ":0" will work most of the time, but it's better format to use the precise one |
| 23:06.59 | break_free | /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/addressbook: error while loading shared libraries: libopenobex.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:07.41 | break_free | that happens when I try running: DISPLAY=":0.0" /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/addressbook ~/Contacts.vcf |
| 23:08.10 | darkjames | so install openobex? |
| 23:08.35 | darkjames | or give loader hint (with LD_LIBRARY_PATH) where it can find libopenobex.so.1 |
| 23:08.44 | break_free | darkjames, where would I find that |
| 23:08.53 | darkjames | break_free, dunno |
| 23:10.23 | break_free | dang. What the hell, why doesn't qtextended 4.2.2 have a terminal? |
| 23:15.26 | lindi- | great, 3g-usb-stick seems to work with the phone |
| 23:17.52 | break_free | I'm trying to install terminal in 4.2.2 and it's giving me an error return value 2 |
| 23:20.13 | break_free | my bad, it's 4.2.2 |
| 23:20.18 | break_free | 4.4.2 |
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| 23:37.23 | JadeFalcon | someone got the touch screen running under Gentoo? |
| 23:37.48 | Wonka | hm, on debian it just works? |
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| 23:38.50 | gurugentoo | so apparently I was wrong about the echo being gone in debian + fso |
| 23:39.10 | gurugentoo | got a pretty bad complaint |
| 23:44.29 | tuXXX | JadeFalcon: yes |
| 23:50.48 | JadeFalcon | tuXXX: how you did that? i tried to compile xorg-xserver with the tslib, but it still does not find this module.. with evdev i have some reactions on the screen, but it is not calibrated right then |
| 23:51.21 | tuXXX | you have to enable module_raw in /etc/ts.conf |
| 23:51.57 | tuXXX | I needed an additional patch to get rid of one event error |
| 23:52.03 | JadeFalcon | module_raw input |
| 23:52.17 | JadeFalcon | activated that |
| 23:52.29 | tuXXX | and there's a binary to test tslib without xorg |
| 23:52.44 | JadeFalcon | yes, this works |
| 23:53.06 | tuXXX | so your only problem is Xorg? |
| 23:53.11 | JadeFalcon | right |
| 23:53.11 | tuXXX | you are using Xglamo? |
| 23:53.15 | JadeFalcon | nope |
| 23:53.50 | tuXXX | TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/event1 Xglamo |
| 23:54.13 | tuXXX | I'm using this and it works, don't know how you should do |
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| 23:54.35 | tuXXX | how does it work without Xglamo? |
| 23:54.48 | tuXXX | (I didn't know it was even possible) |
| 23:55.11 | tuXXX | I don't really know if it's possible to use tslib without Xglamo |
| 23:55.15 | JadeFalcon | i tried to compile xglamo, but without success, so i should try that again if it works for you |
| 23:55.26 | tuXXX | well, I have a customized ebuild |
| 23:56.25 | JadeFalcon | it seams that xorg-xserver has a switch for tslib in the configure file, so i modified the ebuild and created a new useflag for that |
| 23:56.48 | JadeFalcon | but it change nothing |
| 23:57.06 | tuXXX | ok wait, I'm posting my ebuild somewhere |
| 23:57.23 | JadeFalcon | that will be great :-) |
| 23:58.06 | tuXXX | http://rafb.net/p/mq2yJ338.html |
| 23:59.44 | tuXXX | It's using git, you may edit EGIT_TREE if you want a newer version |