| 00:00.10 | johngay | So, . . . Is business good? |
| 00:00.27 | raster | business as in the thing that makes money |
| 00:00.34 | raster | or business as in "stuff/life" |
| 00:00.47 | raster | or business as in the kind of business that involves pants being off |
| 00:00.48 | raster | ? |
| 00:00.49 | raster | :) |
| 00:00.53 | johngay | As in your source of income since you left OM. |
| 00:00.58 | raster | Dave: no. it means put your pants back on |
| 00:00.59 | raster | :) |
| 00:01.09 | raster | johngay: aaah. its doing ok. |
| 00:01.09 | [Rui] | raster: that third option seems atractive enough ;) |
| 00:01.24 | johngay | Glad to hear that. |
| 00:03.04 | Dave | haha |
| 00:03.16 | Dave | oh, I had something for you today raster, let me go find it... (it was a picture) |
| 00:03.21 | Dave | I found among my old stuff |
| 00:03.23 | raster | johngay: i can eat and keep my internets going |
| 00:03.25 | raster | thats good enouhg for me |
| 00:03.26 | raster | :) |
| 00:03.28 | Dave | haha |
| 00:03.34 | Dave | and he keeps his pants on too! |
| 00:03.40 | Dave | isn't that right raster? :P |
| 00:04.02 | johngay | As long as you can keep coding for my FR, I'm happy. |
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| 00:05.02 | johngay | I don't care if you wear pants or not when you code. |
| 00:05.19 | raster | hahahaha |
| 00:05.28 | raster | don't worry - i'm working on it |
| 00:05.37 | raster | right now just have to get my OE patches upsteram to OE |
| 00:05.44 | raster | so oe.dev is up to date with efl and e |
| 00:05.52 | raster | as well as a few other general fixes |
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| 00:06.16 | raster | like cleaner boot and moving x splash images to their own packages - making palmt650 mcahine stuff build... |
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| 00:07.19 | johngay | Sounds like you're a real inside man. |
| 00:07.49 | johngay | http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3032tk8.jpg speaking of photos! |
| 00:10.08 | raster | johngay: i'm just a busy man |
| 00:10.26 | raster | what i care about is having a phone that doesn't suck |
| 00:10.35 | raster | something that i can code for and hack with gay abandon |
| 00:10.51 | raster | and i dont have to go lean some new sdk toolkit or language or use some special thnig to do it |
| 00:10.58 | raster | i can do my regular stuff i do on my desktop |
| 00:11.00 | raster | no different |
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| 00:11.21 | raster | so i can shgare work betwene desktop and phone - same apps, same ui's, same toolkit. same language. |
| 00:11.34 | raster | just recompile (and maybe make sure thee ui adapts to work on a tiny screen) |
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| 00:14.50 | Dave | speaking of clothing... or lack thereof... |
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| 00:20.47 | gurugentoo | Dave: I like how no one responded |
| 00:21.14 | Dave | Good thing too |
| 00:21.16 | johngay | No one wants to thing of Dave without clothes. |
| 00:21.20 | Dave | Since I didn't want to elaborate. |
| 00:21.30 | Dave | John, if you were true to your nick, you likely would. |
| 00:21.31 | Dave | :p |
| 00:21.47 | johngay | That's just my name, not my lifestyle. |
| 00:22.08 | johngay | Puberty was hell. |
| 00:22.32 | johngay | What video formats can 2007.2 play? |
| 00:22.50 | [Rui] | what's gta02v5-lowlevel.bin and what "-a" value should I use? |
| 00:22.58 | Dave | More like, what formats can it play WELL. |
| 00:22.58 | Dave | :P |
| 00:24.00 | johngay | Is there a simple CLI for mencoder or ffmpeg to create FR compatable vids? |
| 00:24.40 | johngay | Then I need to figure out how to get the vid Onto my FR. |
| 00:27.13 | johngay | I'd love to be able to show off http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ajxc28&s=4 on my FR (-= |
| 00:27.34 | johngay | Instead of having to use my GP2X. |
| 00:27.59 | [Rui] | has anyone tried a recent http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ ? how's it doing these days? |
| 00:28.08 | [Rui] | last I tried USB didn't seem to work anymore |
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| 00:38.06 | Dave | HOLY FUCK BATMAN |
| 00:38.31 | johngay | What is it, Boy wonder! |
| 00:38.35 | Dave | Note to all: Don't boot the freerunner from cold while connected to usb and a stereo system. |
| 00:38.50 | Dave | It totally fucking fucked up the electrical and fried some shit. |
| 00:39.02 | Dave | That WOULD explain what those loud popping sounds were. |
| 00:39.12 | Dave | and why my kernel threw all these freaky messages |
| 00:39.34 | johngay | Did the FR survive? |
| 00:39.41 | Dave | Yeah |
| 00:39.46 | Dave | but it won't connect to usb anymore |
| 00:40.02 | gurugentoo | o crap |
| 00:40.04 | Dave | but I think it killed my notebooks' usb at least temporarily |
| 00:40.13 | johngay | That's not survived on my books. |
| 00:40.50 | johngay | Wait, is the FR USB fsck'd or just the laptop USB? |
| 00:40.52 | Dave | yeah so anything connected to either of the notebook usb ports now has no effect and the kernel no longer picks it up |
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| 00:41.10 | Dave | I hope it's just temporary, though I'd be more worried about the freerunner :P |
| 00:41.17 | Dave | Even though I can always get another... |
| 00:41.22 | johngay | So would I. |
| 00:41.32 | Dave | I've had it on wifi ever since the incident this afternoon. |
| 00:41.37 | johngay | A laptop is cheaper. |
| 00:41.38 | Dave | so I didn't give it much thought |
| 00:41.40 | Dave | haha |
| 00:41.41 | Dave | :P |
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| 00:41.59 | Dave | fucking freerunner |
| 00:42.04 | Dave | my subwoofer definitely took a hit |
| 00:42.16 | Dave | and I think it burnt out my 2.5-3.5mm converter |
| 00:42.25 | Dave | since it no longer produces sound with ANY of my mobile devices >:( |
| 00:42.50 | Dave | The worst part of all, is I could of swore I saw something about not booting with something plugged in... somewhere recently... perhaps on the wiki. |
| 00:42.59 | Dave | haha, I hope it wasn't me who wrote it, either. |
| 00:43.51 | gurugentoo | so did it create a short when it booted? |
| 00:44.02 | Dave | oh OH |
| 00:44.04 | Dave | hahahahah omg |
| 00:44.06 | gurugentoo | or put 5v out to the amp? |
| 00:44.09 | Dave | That would certainly explain some things |
| 00:44.14 | Dave | When I tried to restart it afterwards |
| 00:44.18 | Dave | the battery showed it was at 0 |
| 00:44.25 | Dave | it showed the OM logo then died |
| 00:44.29 | Dave | and I had to jump it |
| 00:44.33 | _charly_ | Dave: maybe your usb just shut down itself? it happened to me once, my laptop usb only provides 100mA, and charging something with more than that resulted in a kernel message (something with overcurrent and shutdown), but the usb worked again after turning off and rebooting the laptop |
| 00:44.34 | johngay | Just a note: I seem to be getting about an hour extra time on my FR since using mwesters kernel and modules. |
| 00:44.35 | Dave | so maybe it did? |
| 00:45.00 | Dave | charly, if you saw my kernel messages, you would have shit yourself as well, I can assure you. |
| 00:45.05 | Dave | I got NOTHING about overcurrent. |
| 00:45.25 | Dave | I got TONS of stack info dumped, and then it dumped a bunch of registers in all my terminals, and then took a dump on me. :\ |
| 00:45.34 | Dave | it hardly looked benign. |
| 00:45.38 | johngay | Since I was only getting 4-5 hours, thats a good improvement to me. |
| 00:45.51 | Dave | But these things are quite resilliant, I wouldn't be surprised if a reboot made the usb work agan. |
| 00:46.12 | Dave | Right now I'm charging the battery externally. |
| 00:46.20 | Dave | Since obviously the PC options are totally fucked :D |
| 00:46.27 | _charly_ | i hope the best for your usb port :) |
| 00:46.54 | Dave | though my biggest dismay is that it interrupted my studying time as it has simply been acting as a mobile streamer for a internet radio channel :P |
| 00:47.12 | Dave | Haha, wow, in a way it has come full circle I suppose... |
| 00:47.26 | Dave | Though it's not quite the shower radio I originally figured it'd be. |
| 00:47.48 | gurugentoo | shower... |
| 00:48.06 | Dave | hell it just showered my shit with electricity |
| 00:48.14 | Dave | not cool kool-aid guy |
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| 00:48.23 | gurugentoo | heh |
| 00:51.30 | Dave | I could totally see myself and joerg pulling up to sean's place right now with a nice usb-Y cable pulled taught in hand... |
| 00:51.33 | Dave | >:) |
| 00:53.00 | Dave | I'm fucking thankful this isn't my hifi system, and that as of five years ago I fuse all my valuable shit. |
| 00:53.06 | [Rui] | ok, so I installed daily => no usb0 connectivity, no terminal, no nothing. is there hope? |
| 00:53.43 | Dave | Rui, sounds just like 2008.9! |
| 00:53.43 | Dave | :D |
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| 00:54.01 | slaxxin | reboot it rui |
| 00:54.34 | johngay | There is hope. Go back to 2007.2 |
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| 00:55.02 | [Rui] | slaxxin: what would a new reboot help at? |
| 00:55.15 | [Rui] | johngay: nah, that's too bad for me |
| 00:55.21 | johngay | Works with Windows (-; |
| 00:55.50 | [Rui] | bah |
| 00:56.03 | [Rui] | is 2008.8-update better than 2008.9 or the same? |
| 00:56.11 | johngay | I still use it cause everything else I've tried is worse. |
| 00:56.12 | Dave | John, yes! |
| 00:56.38 | [Rui] | I'm sorry, I get confused with it. It seems daily is still not stable enough for me to try to do anything (in fact I can't do anything at all), so I'll have to go back |
| 00:57.25 | johngay | And I refuse to flash my FR again until I can test out something for a week without finding problems with it. |
| 00:57.37 | Dave | flash it like it's hot |
| 00:58.40 | slaxxin | usb doesnt work untill reboot on some rootfs |
| 00:59.46 | [Rui] | slaxxin: that's SO weird |
| 00:59.54 | slaxxin | it is too |
| 00:59.59 | [Rui] | slaxxin: but I'm trying now |
| 01:00.18 | [Rui] | if it works, I won't pull back to Om2008.8 |
| 01:00.23 | [Rui] | if it works, I won't pull back to Om2008.8-update |
| 01:01.45 | Dave | okay, so changing input currents to the freerunner at .5ms intervals is a BAD thing |
| 01:01.48 | Dave | :D |
| 01:02.14 | Dave | man, after all it's been through, I'm surprised it still works, John :p |
| 01:02.17 | Dave | Melted in a car |
| 01:02.26 | Dave | exploded on a usb bus |
| 01:02.35 | Dave | dropped on the ground |
| 01:03.13 | Dave | damn a few of them definitely deserve Veteran status :) |
| 01:03.21 | [Rui] | slaxxin: yeah, usb0's working now |
| 01:04.44 | Dave | Hooray! |
| 01:05.08 | slaxxin | dont try flashing the latest an then run fdomizer |
| 01:05.21 | Dave | slaxxin, you tell us man |
| 01:05.30 | Dave | :) |
| 01:11.37 | [Rui] | slaxxin: just one more thing, to get telephony back, I should do "opkg install qtopia-phone-x11" or it still misses more stuff? |
| 01:11.58 | slaxxin | i think thats right |
| 01:12.16 | [Rui] | let's hope so :) |
| 01:12.44 | slaxxin | i did the latest daily yesterday an thats what i did |
| 01:15.32 | [Rui] | slaxxin: and let me guess... reboot? :D |
| 01:15.52 | slaxxin | ahh |
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| 01:19.20 | [Rui] | slaxxin: dialer bails out with an error |
| 01:19.28 | [Rui] | I'm hoping it's enough to restart X |
| 01:23.25 | [Rui] | seemed to do the trick, although e seems temperamental |
| 01:23.37 | slaxxin | it does? |
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| 01:24.58 | [Rui] | slaxxin: 4 times it crashed before I could type my pin |
| 01:25.13 | slaxxin | ahhhh |
| 01:25.18 | [Rui] | anyways, after sending the pin it seemes to stop, so I just rebooted it |
| 01:25.29 | slaxxin | did u turn off suspend? |
| 01:25.51 | [Rui] | slaxxin: yup |
| 01:25.54 | slaxxin | or atleast back up to 60 secs |
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| 01:26.09 | [Rui] | slaxxin: until the suspend bug is definitely solved, that's the first thing to do |
| 01:26.38 | slaxxin | i have not had a problem with suspend lately |
| 01:26.47 | [Rui] | slaxxin: with daily? |
| 01:26.52 | [Rui] | I gotta try that then |
| 01:26.52 | slaxxin | no |
| 01:26.56 | slaxxin | fdom |
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| 01:28.04 | [Rui] | th sim pin app seems to freese, but I already see my operator name in the top icon, so I assume it's done connecting |
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| 01:29.07 | [Rui] | shit... it's not dialing |
| 01:31.46 | [Rui] | and now e's crashing like crazy :( |
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| 01:34.10 | [Rui] | *** glibc detected *** enlightenment: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0046b030 *** |
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| 01:36.10 | [Rui] | *** glibc detected *** enlightenment: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0040bbe0 *** |
| 01:45.21 | slaxxin | maybe u should do an md5sum on the image u installed |
| 01:46.34 | [Rui] | slaxxin: to compare it with what? |
| 01:47.06 | [Rui] | anyway, it's getting kind of late, almost 2am here, and I'll have a hard day of work and an Ubuntu dinner, tomorrow |
| 01:47.25 | slaxxin | the md5sum values at the site where u dl the image |
| 01:47.38 | slaxxin | yay |
| 01:48.08 | slaxxin | are u a debinite? |
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| 01:48.26 | flavioribeiro | .br |
| 01:48.33 | [Rui] | slaxxin: no, they're not |
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| 01:49.31 | [Rui] | slaxxin: I use CentOS, Fedora (standard & OLPC), Ubuntu, OE and OpenBSD :) |
| 01:49.32 | slaxxin | maybe the latest bleeding edge rootfs has the reregistering bug fixed |
| 01:49.57 | [Rui] | slaxxin: ah... so this is that bug? |
| 01:50.09 | [Rui] | slaxxin: then Om2008.8-gta02-20081030.rootfs.jffs2 doesn't solve it, I'm sorry to say |
| 01:50.13 | slaxxin | does it bother u? |
| 01:50.37 | [Rui] | slaxxin: the bug? if it's the same, yeah... |
| 01:50.55 | [Rui] | not being able to use the phone bothers me somewhat :) I know it's a daily but still... :) |
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| 01:54.14 | chi | restart assassin? |
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| 01:55.32 | [Rui] | chi: if you're talking to me, assassin is not even installed, I think |
| 01:55.36 | [Rui] | at least it's not running |
| 01:56.29 | TehZorroness | Hey everyone! Does anyone know if there is a compiled version of the echo patch that I can cram into my freerunner? |
| 01:56.29 | chi | no, i was trying to install illume-config and it failed and told me i should run restart assassin |
| 01:56.29 | chi | shrugs |
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| 01:57.41 | [Rui] | shrugs too... 2 am, good night everyone, good morning and afternoon for the others :) |
| 01:57.54 | slaxxin | later |
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| 02:08.14 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4733 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (12 files): Rebase to latest stable-tracking. |
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| 02:18.43 | slaxxin | latest shr coming up |
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| 02:28.13 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.25 | slaxxin | dave |
| 02:29.27 | slaxxin | shr ooooo |
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| 02:34.31 | Dave | YES |
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| 02:40.31 | Sargun_Screen | Dave: ? |
| 02:40.46 | Dave | Yes, Sargun? |
| 02:46.53 | Sargun_Screen | why >19:34 < Dave> YES |
| 02:48.47 | Dave | Oh OH |
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| 02:51.29 | slaxxin | the dialer in SHR is sweet |
| 03:03.32 | kd8ikt | how do i tell om-location to save map data to /media/card |
| 03:04.38 | slaxxin | but it only worked 1 time:( |
| 03:05.07 | kd8ikt | found it nvrmind |
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| 03:27.21 | slaxxin | shr has a lot of things to fix |
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| 03:51.59 | Dave | duh |
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| 04:01.38 | slaxxin | shr has came a long way since i tried it a while back |
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| 04:14.28 | chi | how do i pop up a virtual keyboard to use with xterm? |
| 04:15.07 | chi | symlink a script to do it? |
| 04:18.34 | slaxxin | tap in the eterm screen wont do it? |
| 04:18.41 | slaxxin | x* |
| 04:18.45 | chi | no |
| 04:18.57 | chi | or didn't last time |
| 04:18.59 | chi | i just reflashed |
| 04:19.00 | slaxxin | 2008.9? |
| 04:19.01 | chi | heeh |
| 04:19.02 | chi | yes |
| 04:19.27 | slaxxin | hit the qwerty at the top left? |
| 04:19.50 | chi | hrm |
| 04:19.53 | chi | i will try |
| 04:20.48 | chi | don't see anything to click on =P |
| 04:21.10 | chi | maybe i need to install something? |
| 04:21.18 | slaxxin | did u install the illume theme? |
| 04:21.21 | Skysurfer | try installing illume-config |
| 04:21.27 | chi | oh yea gotta do that again |
| 04:22.01 | chi | it seemed to fail everytime when i tried to before |
| 04:22.23 | slaxxin | yup but a reboot fixes it |
| 04:22.39 | chi | ooh |
| 04:22.41 | chi | heeh |
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| 04:32.53 | slaxxin | illume looks good in om-testing |
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| 06:17.02 | LuYu | now that the android source has been released, is anybody using it on their openmoko? |
| 06:17.31 | cjb_ie | i think mwester has made it work. i don't know if anyone's using it. |
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| 06:21.36 | emonkey | there are blogposts on the planet about that |
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| 06:37.17 | rooly | so hey |
| 06:37.36 | rooly | is it just me, or does it seem like the fr doesn't suspend when it's connected to power |
| 06:37.49 | rooly | at least, left to it's own cycle |
| 06:38.36 | slaxxin | i have the latest om |
| 06:39.10 | rooly | and? |
| 06:39.44 | slaxxin | i have it turned off |
| 06:40.14 | slaxxin | we will see |
| 06:40.45 | slaxxin | it did |
| 06:41.01 | rooly | okay, here's what i notice |
| 06:41.06 | rooly | make sure the red light is on |
| 06:42.13 | rooly | and that your suspend time after blank is set to 1 |
| 06:43.00 | rooly | let it go into suspend mode first |
| 06:43.30 | rooly | then when it wakes back up, plug in your power, either usb or wall charger |
| 06:43.37 | rooly | make sure the red light comes on |
| 06:43.46 | rooly | then let it try to suspend |
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| 06:44.36 | rooly | if the red light goes off, it's in sleep |
| 06:44.50 | rooly | lemme know if it sleeps or not |
| 06:46.36 | Skysurfer | rooly, will your fr shutdown properly when it is having trouble suspending? |
| 06:46.45 | rooly | yup |
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| 06:51.47 | kd8ikt | mplayer -playlist http://mfile.akamai.com/12885/live/reflector:38163.asx |
| 06:52.15 | kd8ikt | i need to make an mplayer frontend ;) |
| 06:52.18 | doc|home | what's that? |
| 06:52.28 | kd8ikt | weather radar for my area |
| 06:53.15 | kd8ikt | urlsnarf |
| 06:53.27 | kd8ikt | 'ed it |
| 06:56.10 | kd8ikt | i wonder howlong that link will be valid though |
| 06:56.45 | kd8ikt | guess you'd need to parse it on the fly each time |
| 06:57.36 | kd8ikt | do love mplayer's ability to play it all |
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| 07:02.31 | ColdFyre | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 what what i need to do to make use of that closed bug? |
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| 07:09.06 | quickdev | ColdFyre, it's not closed, there's only a workaround. Which distro are you using? |
| 07:09.24 | ColdFyre | qtopia 4.4.1 |
| 07:10.29 | quickdev | http://moko.mwester.net/brc.html |
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| 08:19.35 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re0ff9ff70c4b 10/ (51 files in 17 dirs): bluemchen wiese: Allow to disable certain ugly packages globally |
| 08:19.36 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r5cdb84ee7d80 10/ (51 files in 17 dirs): Merge branch 'enterprise-for-dev' into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 08:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: gurugentoo: [2008-10-30 01:42:50] <Dave> The worst part of all, is I could of swore I saw something about not booting with something plugged in... somewhere recently... perhaps on the wiki. |
| 08:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | [2008-10-30 01:44:06] <gurugentoo> or put 5v out to the amp? |
| 08:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | [2008-10-30 01:44:09] <Dave> That would certainly explain some things |
| 08:22.49 | [Rui] | huh.... white screen of death with the daily build, without suspend |
| 08:23.13 | [Rui] | just left it idle as i slept |
| 08:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | DON'T BOOT FR WITH ANYTHING CONNECTED TO HS-JACK!!!! |
| 08:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | t's not 5V but 3V3 that's frying one of the hs-speakers or your stereo during boot |
| 08:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | see schematics GSM_DL path |
| 08:25.08 | gurugentoo | DocScrutinizer: ah I had usb in my head hence the 5v |
| 08:25.38 | gurugentoo | and point taken |
| 08:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | USB I don't see any problem, though I will think about Dave's new adventure |
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| 08:41.45 | [Rui] | damn, no sound with a call on the daily??? |
| 08:42.15 | [Rui] | at least service operator messages are working now (I just got the sad news of 0.79⬠of charge :)) |
| 08:42.17 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:44.42 | Shlee | QT 4.4.2 delayed? |
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| 08:52.03 | ColdFyre | Shlee: i was told it is expected this weekend |
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| 09:23.16 | KenSentMe | Is there a seperate mailinglist for Openmoko Android development? |
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| 09:26.49 | MrShleee | I couldn't find one |
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| 10:29.33 | kd8ikt | was having some fun with the daily testing images |
| 10:29.50 | kd8ikt | cant figure out what to do about phone stuff |
| 10:29.57 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 10:29.57 | kd8ikt | gsm |
| 10:31.13 | kd8ikt | any ideas? |
| 10:31.34 | kd8ikt | qtopia-x11 phone apps? |
| 10:31.53 | kd8ikt | frameworkd /zhone |
| 10:32.15 | andred | kd8ikt: installing task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 worked for me |
| 10:32.55 | kd8ikt | pulla in tons of stuff albiet |
| 10:33.28 | kd8ikt | pulls* |
| 10:34.11 | kd8ikt | i'm reflashing again cause i'm retarded |
| 10:35.08 | kd8ikt | opkg remove package-kit assassin |
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| 11:59.15 | wilhelmb | can i install .deb packages on the openmoko? |
| 11:59.28 | lindi- | wilhelmb: in debian you can |
| 11:59.29 | [df] | if you have installed debian |
| 11:59.42 | wilhelmb | okei, can i do it with apt-get? |
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| 11:59.47 | lindi- | wilhelmb: sure |
| 12:00.04 | wilhelmb | no compiling? |
| 12:00.08 | bumbl | wilhelmb: the .deb have to be for armv4 though |
| 12:00.12 | lindi- | wilhelmb: no compiling needed |
| 12:00.15 | wilhelmb | oki |
| 12:00.24 | lindi- | wilhelmb: but you can apt-get --build source $package too if you like to compile |
| 12:00.25 | wilhelmb | so no way to install x86 packages |
| 12:00.37 | bumbl | no |
| 12:00.38 | wilhelmb | oki |
| 12:00.47 | lindi- | wilhelmb: why would you want that? |
| 12:01.22 | wilhelmb | i figured it was more of the x86 packages than armv4 |
| 12:01.36 | wilhelmb | or what? |
| 12:01.38 | dns53 | you could use something that was written in python or some other interpreted language |
| 12:01.43 | lindi- | wilhelmb: ? |
| 12:01.43 | bumbl | like you can't put gasoline into a diesel driven car |
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| 12:02.23 | wilhelmb | a diesel driven car, can run on gasoline |
| 12:02.26 | wilhelmb | :P |
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| 12:03.35 | lindi- | wilhelmb: most debian packages are available for both x86 and arm |
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| 12:04.46 | wilhelmb | oki |
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| 12:05.02 | lindi- | wilhelmb: 23819 packages for x86, 22699 for arm |
| 12:05.59 | wilhelmb | what is the difference between å x86 package and a armv4 package? difference in the source code or just å matter of compiling difference? |
| 12:06.01 | Blackhex | Hello, I'd like to ask if some can help me start with Openmoko develompment with OpenEmbedded. I followed this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Developing_with_MokoMakefile so far, but now I want to for example know how can I make my changes public and how should I handle with changes in "openembedded/packages/*"? |
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| 12:06.34 | lindi- | wilhelmb: there might be some patches needed to compile on arm |
| 12:06.42 | lindi- | wilhelmb: but most packages are the same |
| 12:06.44 | bumbl | wilhelmb: really? |
| 12:07.00 | wilhelmb | really what? |
| 12:07.20 | bumbl | afaik not as gasoline is not autoignitating |
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| 12:07.51 | lindi- | Blackhex: afaik it's a git repository |
| 12:08.52 | wilhelmb | gasoline ignites under pressure. |
| 12:09.01 | wilhelmb | i have seen it myself |
| 12:09.02 | Blackhex | lindi-: great, that simplifies a lot, I didn't notice before. Where can I submit patches? |
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| 12:10.01 | wilhelmb | is it possible to overclock the freerunner btw? |
| 12:11.08 | alphaone | wilhelmb: I believe you can clock it to 500MHz |
| 12:11.14 | wilhelmb | how? |
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| 12:11.31 | leinir | You can, but you'd have to lower the memory access speed |
| 12:11.34 | alphaone | wilhelmb: I think in the kernel |
| 12:11.44 | wilhelmb | is it a accessable bios? |
| 12:12.01 | lindi- | Blackhex: again not really sure but i'd try https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel |
| 12:12.16 | lindi- | wilhelmb: bios? |
| 12:12.16 | wilhelmb | oki, the memory access speed is low enough as it is |
| 12:12.31 | wilhelmb | lindi-: like on a pc |
| 12:12.38 | Blackhex | Thanks. Another question please? If some headers or library is missing in configuration step, it's a bug or I just must to install that library manually with make build-package-something if it's already in OE? |
| 12:12.45 | lindi- | wilhelmb: no such thing here |
| 12:12.55 | wilhelmb | ok |
| 12:13.58 | lindi- | Blackhex: again i am not sure but it sounds like a bug, mokomakefile should be completely automated |
| 12:14.17 | Blackhex | In other word is there a mechanism for conditional compilation like use flags in Gentoo |
| 12:14.34 | Blackhex | lindi-: Thanks aggain :-) |
| 12:14.40 | bumbl | wilhelmb: then well put it the other way round or just forget it - but i think it is clear why x86 and armv4 don't go together; usually only x86 machines have something lie a bios |
| 12:15.09 | lindi- | Blackhex: the *.bb files are bitbake recipes so i'd look at bitbake docs |
| 12:15.19 | Blackhex | ok |
| 12:15.24 | Ke | bumbl: like BIOS? |
| 12:15.34 | Ke | not openfirmware or EFI? |
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| 12:17.02 | bumbl | Ke: ah yes, let's rephrase it: usually only x86 machines have a bios |
| 12:17.17 | wilhelmb | when i say bios, i thing about an user interface on startup that i can use for changing clock speeds etxc |
| 12:17.19 | wilhelmb | etc* |
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| 12:19.00 | lindi- | here it's just uboot and then linux |
| 12:19.16 | lindi- | no proprietary code ran at boot |
| 12:19.48 | bumbl | and soon qi + linux |
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| 12:20.21 | Shlee | qi + inferno >_> |
| 12:22.14 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7773095695b3 10/ (39 files in 15 dirs): bluemchen wiese: Allow to disable certain ugly packages globally |
| 12:22.19 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1fc7225f30a4 10/ (39 files in 15 dirs): Merge branch 'enterprise-for-stable' into org.openmoko.asu.stable |
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| 12:22.20 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0456018d26f5 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-debug.bb: task-openmoko-debug.bb: Apply ENTERPRISE_DISTRO condition for madplay |
| 12:23.00 | rwhitby | wonders who the enterprise is ... |
| 12:23.08 | Blackhex | And aggain, should I rather modify stable or devel branch? |
| 12:23.39 | bumbl | rwhitby: maybe swisscom? |
| 12:23.48 | Blackhex | probably devel, but everytime I do make update it need maual swich |
| 12:24.19 | rwhitby | bumbl: but that's not a secret :-) |
| 12:24.20 | arquebus | hey, want to hear something funny? I emailed Christopher Null who does tech reviews on Yahoo, and he cant do a review of the Freerunner because they wont give him a free sample to test. |
| 12:24.21 | Blackhex | and some of errors slows down my work |
| 12:24.44 | rwhitby | arquebus: I don't blame them - it's not ready for a Yahoo tech review |
| 12:25.03 | bumbl | arquebus: yeah that's how it should be |
| 12:25.18 | bumbl | at the moment the freerunner won't get that good publicity |
| 12:25.29 | arquebus | rwhitby- theyve reviewed worse, they just did a review of the iKit, which is what prompted me to email this guy |
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| 12:26.43 | arquebus | http://www.comsciences.com/product.htm |
| 12:27.57 | Ke | linux 2.4 ?? |
| 12:28.09 | Ke | .19 ??? |
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| 12:30.12 | fish_ | User Interface GUI : Proprietary plus Trolltech QT/E 2.3.8 |
| 12:30.28 | arquebus | the iKit only has like 3 hours of battery life, and no cellular connectivity, a real winner, and it gets headline Yahoo review with photo and everything |
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| 12:39.38 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4734 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (40 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:39.38 | CIA-50 | openmoko: from trac #1012 |
| 12:39.38 | CIA-50 | openmoko: provided by HdR and Abraxa |
| 12:42.15 | Shlee | arquebus: openpandora FTW |
| 12:43.35 | arquebus | Shlee- I also mentioned Pandora in my email to Chrisopher Null, and he cant get a free sample of one of those either, what a jerk, if I made even a moderate income, I would just send one to that guy for free because I like this hardware so much |
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| 12:44.31 | Shlee | I think OM is waiting for the software to be more stable before they send out review hardware |
| 12:44.51 | Ke | probably better |
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| 12:47.03 | arquebus | if anyone has a spare Freerunner or Pandora you want to send to this poor fellow, feel free http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null;_ylt=ArzA1Fzfro134hHO9Ea_XdMWLpA5 |
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| 12:49.47 | Shlee | Spare? I'm still waiting for my first. |
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| 13:08.40 | tdobson | I have somewhat unexpectedly been given a 8gb microSDHC card.... |
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| 13:08.50 | tdobson | i'm currently running fdom in flash.. |
| 13:09.18 | tdobson | what do people propose i do with the card in terms of paritions etc. |
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| 13:13.47 | chi | so SDHC will work in the neo? |
| 13:13.56 | chi | sweet |
| 13:13.58 | Wonka | it does. microSDHC at least |
| 13:14.01 | Wonka | 8GiB here. |
| 13:14.14 | chi | niice |
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| 13:14.18 | Wonka | got a debian on it. |
| 13:14.20 | mjr | sdhc do too, you just need to arrange for exotic wiring solutions |
| 13:14.37 | sylar | when will be realased om 2008.10? |
| 13:14.39 | chi | the readers on my monitor do not support sdhc =\ |
| 13:15.02 | Wonka | the reader that came with the card does, expectedly... |
| 13:15.10 | chi | but i go have a 4gig minisdhc |
| 13:15.14 | chi | not that that helps heh |
| 13:15.50 | ulf | chi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
| 13:15.55 | sylar | any news about openmoko 2008.10? |
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| 13:16.11 | Dave | :) |
| 13:16.23 | sylar | (hi Dave XD) |
| 13:16.45 | chi | thanks ulf =D |
| 13:17.31 | ulf | np, but i need to fill the table with my cards i already tested |
| 13:17.39 | chi | is fdisk on 2008.9? |
| 13:17.54 | chi | can't check it, i'm at work heh |
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| 13:19.50 | toggles_w | Dave: ! |
| 13:19.52 | chi | sweet only $20 for an 8g micro sdhc |
| 13:20.06 | toggles_w | so... http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap ... do you think they'll make it? |
| 13:20.09 | chi | tackles Dave |
| 13:20.28 | tdobson | bah £1=$1 |
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| 13:20.43 | tdobson | ? = pound |
| 13:20.57 | sylar | mmm sandisk announced sdhc of 16 giga! |
| 13:21.09 | mjr | micro? |
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| 13:22.19 | sylar | micro |
| 13:22.33 | sylar | http://lh5.ggpht.com/billystoreit/SOXsjdXCcxI/AAAAAAAAAVA/fazGe9ImzVY/s400/SDSDQ-016G-E11M-EBAY-BOX.jpg |
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| 13:24.50 | chi | sylar, how much is it? |
| 13:28.10 | Shlee | Milestone 4 is pretty much: FULLYWORKINGSYSTEM:ACTIVATE |
| 13:30.13 | sylar | chi: It costs on ebay ca ⬠65 |
| 13:30.30 | sylar | Shlee: when the release day? |
| 13:30.32 | bumbl | toggles_w: yeah i think we'll get ms4 until monday |
| 13:30.32 | chi | sticks with the 8g |
| 13:31.48 | Shlee | 9 hours ;) |
| 13:31.55 | bumbl | the question of the week: will openmoko stay a brokenmoko or will it get usable anytime soon |
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| 13:33.03 | sylar | Shlee: are you saying the thruth? (sorry for my bad english) |
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| 13:43.50 | Shlee | sylar: The release was marked as tomorrow. but they will need alot more time to continue development. |
| 13:43.55 | Shlee | so it was more sarcastic |
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| 13:46.19 | sylar | lol |
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| 13:49.34 | Ke | calendar is just so far off if there is still problems with the basic infrastructure |
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| 14:09.57 | Dave | Yeah memory is cheap. |
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| 14:18.52 | Torikun | Qtopia on the freerunner has great battery life |
| 14:19.00 | Torikun | It was fully charged in the morning |
| 14:19.04 | CVirus | does it suspend ? |
| 14:19.05 | Torikun | and it was not charging all night |
| 14:19.07 | Torikun | Yes |
| 14:19.13 | CVirus | and resumes ? |
| 14:19.15 | Torikun | Yuo] |
| 14:19.17 | Torikun | Yup |
| 14:19.44 | CVirus | hmm |
| 14:20.06 | CVirus | stock Qtopia with no changes can do that ? |
| 14:20.17 | Torikun | The latest one , yes |
| 14:20.50 | leinir | 4.4.1 with mwester's kernel :) |
| 14:20.56 | Torikun | Yes! |
| 14:21.37 | Torikun | and I made calls |
| 14:21.40 | Torikun | and received calls |
| 14:21.44 | Torikun | and texts! |
| 14:22.24 | CVirus | mp3's ? |
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| 14:23.08 | bumbl | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=58561 <- was this one fake? nokia releases 4.4.2? |
| 14:24.17 | bumbl | ahh - not compiled yet for the freerunner |
| 14:25.29 | CVirus | Torikun: can it play mp3's ? |
| 14:25.46 | Torikun | dunno |
| 14:25.50 | Torikun | it has a browser though |
| 14:25.52 | Torikun | and media player |
| 14:26.11 | CVirus | earphones working ? |
| 14:27.01 | Torikun | huh |
| 14:27.02 | Torikun | dunno |
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| 14:33.48 | Wonka | by the way... has anyone started building car or motorbike docks for the FR? possibly including usb power and/or gps connectors? |
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| 14:40.46 | kd8ikt | gps antenna mounting isnt exactly rocket science |
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| 14:41.45 | kd8ikt | i personally dont think mine needs it cause when i'm out in the open it gets a signal every time |
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| 14:44.35 | kd8ikt | and a regulated power supply hookup |
| 14:44.50 | kd8ikt | preffereably one with usb outputs ;) |
| 14:45.20 | kd8ikt | cant you just hook up your normal charger to the battery? |
| 14:45.46 | kd8ikt | wait a tick |
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| 14:46.00 | kd8ikt | that would be bad |
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| 14:47.08 | kd8ikt | power inverter |
| 14:47.40 | kd8ikt | like this http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0695 |
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| 14:48.07 | kd8ikt | 20$ |
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| 14:50.13 | m0d0r | hi! how can i change wallpaper in 2008.8 ? |
| 14:50.17 | m0d0r | ;-) |
| 14:51.00 | lindi- | m0d0r: 1) find out what the current wallpaper is |
| 14:51.08 | beni_ | m0d0r: you need to decompile the edje theme, configure it to use your wallpaper and then recompile it |
| 14:51.09 | lindi- | m0d0r: 2) grep for the name of the wallpaper in / |
| 14:51.43 | m0d0r | hmmmm aha |
| 14:51.50 | m0d0r | so it is not so easy ;-) |
| 14:52.01 | beni_ | lindi-: as far as i know, wallpapers aren't stored in filesystem |
| 14:52.09 | beni_ | at least, illume does not use the files there |
| 14:53.03 | batchy | wallpaper is stored into the edje file iirc |
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| 15:01.14 | kd8ikt | re remoko is cool |
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| 15:03.44 | uhsf | i was here yesterday asking for the general opinion about Google Android being open source, which seemed not to be appealing to FreeRunner owners |
| 15:04.32 | Elleo | uhsf: depends who you talk to, some people are busy attempting to port it already |
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| 15:04.47 | Elleo | others don't really care, as it's not what they're after in a phone platform |
| 15:05.01 | uhsf | now this morning i just read an arcticle about OpenMoko working on an Android phone, what about THAT |
| 15:05.25 | ieatlint | that's not a question |
| 15:05.45 | lindi- | uhsf: that won't fix my wlan bugs :) |
| 15:06.27 | uhsf | it's now clear that OpenMoko has no more real Free software intentions than Google |
| 15:06.58 | ieatlint | by creating a device that can run android? |
| 15:07.12 | lindi- | uhsf: openmoko inc? |
| 15:08.03 | Deubeuliou | Hi |
| 15:08.06 | ieatlint | i read info today talking about the gta03 likely being based on the samsung 6410 soc |
| 15:08.53 | ieatlint | 667mhz arm11... usb2.0, real 3d, wvga res and a bunch of other intriguing specs |
| 15:09.08 | Deubeuliou | I'm trying to size xterm's font up but trying "xrdb -load /etc/X11/Xdefaults" complains about /usr/bin/cpp missing |
| 15:09.39 | Deubeuliou | installing cpp doesn't help |
| 15:10.33 | sylar | ieatlint: where do you read this? |
| 15:10.53 | ieatlint | mailing list, hah |
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| 15:11.27 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: strace? |
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| 15:13.56 | ieatlint | anyway, i spread only rumour, and i don't claim it to be fact |
| 15:16.13 | Deubeuliou | lindi-, http://pastebin.com/d71404ad2 |
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| 15:17.26 | Deubeuliou | the cpp error only comes when I don't use strace |
| 15:19.00 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: are you saying strace changes the behavior of the program? |
| 15:19.18 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: 195. open("./Xdefaults", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 15:20.11 | Deubeuliou | hmmm I don't now, actually |
| 15:20.18 | Deubeuliou | I'll try with the fll file name |
| 15:20.30 | lindi- | fll? |
| 15:20.36 | Deubeuliou | full |
| 15:23.49 | Deubeuliou | http://pastebin.com/d352f8aac |
| 15:24.54 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: DISPLAY=:0 strace -o strace.out -f -s50 xrdb -load /etc/X11/Xdefaults |
| 15:26.26 | Deubeuliou | ptrace: umoven: Input/output error |
| 15:26.26 | Deubeuliou | sh: /usr/bin/cpp: not found |
| 15:26.39 | Deubeuliou | I send you the output file as well |
| 15:27.21 | Deubeuliou | http://pastebin.com/d3ab4fd61 |
| 15:29.41 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: should be easy to see that /usr/bin/cpp does not exist |
| 15:29.53 | lindi- | 312. 1926 execve("/usr/bin/cpp", ["/usr/ |
| 15:30.04 | lindi- | 314. 1926 <... execve resumed> ) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 15:30.23 | Deubeuliou | yeah, in fact, it doesn"t exists. but what is it(is it the compiler ?), and why does it need it |
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| 15:30.39 | Deubeuliou | installing cpp didn't create such a file |
| 15:34.26 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: it's a preprocessor |
| 15:34.32 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: apt-get install cpp fixes it here |
| 15:34.40 | Deubeuliou | not here :s |
| 15:34.46 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: in fact, i can't have xrdb installed without getting cpp automatically |
| 15:34.52 | Deubeuliou | ah |
| 15:34.59 | Deubeuliou | maybe I chould make a link |
| 15:35.10 | lindi- | sounds like broken distro to me :) |
| 15:35.10 | Deubeuliou | *should |
| 15:36.35 | pb__ | you might want to just fix your x scripts to use "xrdb -nocpp". |
| 15:36.57 | pb__ | with modern gccs, you have to install the whole compiler (more or less) to get cpp, and that's quite a flash footprint. |
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| 15:38.36 | Deubeuliou | well, the command succeeded but the font is not any larger :p |
| 15:38.42 | pb__ | if you really do need cpp then you might want to find some old version of gcc (say, 2.95 or so) where it was still a separate binary and use that. |
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| 15:39.23 | Deubeuliou | I just made a link |
| 15:39.42 | Deubeuliou | /urs/bin/cpp -> /lib/cpp |
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| 17:01.53 | lloyd_fedora | does anyone know the status of the android port to the freerunner |
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| 17:05.22 | ulf | lloyd_fedora: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 |
| 17:06.00 | lloyd_fedora | ulf: thanks |
| 17:06.44 | LuYu | has anybody compiled the android source for the freerunner yet? |
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| 17:07.05 | ulf | lloyd_fedora: np, there is also a link on the distributions page of www.openmoko.org |
| 17:07.49 | ulf | LuYu: same link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 looks like yes |
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| 17:10.41 | LuYu | i hope he means .img images and not .png images ;-) |
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| 17:12.11 | ulf | LuYu: you mean he compiled .png images from source ... interessting |
| 17:12.33 | LuYu | hahahaha |
| 17:12.49 | LuYu | that would be an interesting compile |
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| 17:20.16 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r7299c3b04e52 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: |
| 17:20.16 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: input: deliver duration (i.e. number of seconds the key was held) also for the 'release' signal. |
| 17:20.16 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: Note: This is a minor API enhancement which should be backwards-compatible since the docs told that |
| 17:20.18 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: the duration field was previously only used for the 'held' signal. |
| 17:20.20 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r74a8cf806d86 10framework/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: |
| 17:20.23 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: rules: change Suspend rule to only fire on a button release when the button has not been held for one second |
| 17:20.26 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: or longer |
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| 17:20.58 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5f22e7b714ab 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' |
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| 17:26.12 | Dave | haha, lint |
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| 17:26.45 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r17446dca8b36 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: catch up with slight API extension in org.freesmartphone.Device.Input |
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| 17:35.38 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 17:35.44 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd91fe7109244 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: oprofile: Bump up preferred version of oprofile to 0.9.4 to match current kernel version |
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| 17:36.05 | thomasgruebler | where can i buy the debuc connector? not the board. i only need the connector. |
| 17:36.32 | thomasgruebler | because i want to use the serial lines on the db connector |
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| 17:40.07 | bedboi | hi there |
| 17:40.37 | bedboi | anyone can tell me what's the newest image/kernel for neo1973? |
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| 17:43.00 | kdean06 | I've followed the instructions on the DebianOnNei1973 page, used the installer script and modified uBoot's menu entries. When I attempt to boot Debian, I get the error that uImage.bin can't be found (it IS on the first SD partition) and that there's a "bad magic number". |
| 17:43.15 | kdean06 | Can anyone point me in the direction of correcting this so that I can boot Debian? |
| 17:43.53 | kdean06 | Neo. I'm not sure who Neil is. |
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| 17:50.43 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf5a2ef90e9d8 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/power/power-helpers.c: Emit correcr signal when status changes. Catch up with frameworkd |
| 17:50.43 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r659a26e5b49c 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h): |
| 17:50.43 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: catch up with frameworkd. Report held seconds for release event as well |
| 17:50.44 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: (Untested) |
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| 17:52.15 | slalomsk8er | Hi, what is with the snv server? I can't get the source for the dfu-util :( |
| 17:55.06 | Dave | svn? |
| 17:55.15 | Dave | you want the source for it? |
| 17:55.26 | Dave | the daily built binary is always available |
| 17:55.31 | Dave | otherwise the source should be there as well |
| 17:55.48 | Dave | I'm not sure it's in the same repository though. |
| 17:58.49 | mjr | noniin, jaksoinpa viimein tehdä hupnet-login-skriptin, http://mjr.iki.fi/software/huplog |
| 17:58.55 | mjr | tästä oli kerta joskus puhetta täälläkin |
| 17:59.40 | Ke | pats mjr |
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| 18:00.12 | Dave | terve |
| 18:00.22 | Ke | perkele! |
| 18:00.26 | Dave | :D |
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| 18:00.44 | Dave | kiitos |
| 18:00.49 | mjr | well oops, should've gone to #openmoko-fi |
| 18:01.16 | mjr | I'm under killer medication, that's my story and I'm sticking to it |
| 18:01.26 | Dave | o_O |
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| 18:01.50 | Dave | suuuuuuuuuuuuuure |
| 18:01.54 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 18:02.17 | Ke | Dave: interesting vocabulary |
| 18:02.23 | mjr | anyway, the script is a login script to a local uni webform auth wlan if somebody's interested in stuff like that |
| 18:02.32 | mjr | adaptable to others certainly |
| 18:03.26 | mjr | as-is useful to people not hanging around the uni of helsinki, doubtful |
| 18:03.28 | Ke | hmm I have some perl script for hut wlan authentification as well |
| 18:03.38 | techiem2-r | hmm |
| 18:03.53 | Ke | but HUT is going for all open wlan \o/ |
| 18:04.13 | techiem2-r | looks at script |
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| 18:25.57 | xnx | hi |
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| 18:33.57 | candrews | I just flashed my Freerunner with OM2008.9, and it wont' boot. It just hangs out at the nice new "openmoko" splash screen. |
| 18:36.17 | uhsf | splash screens suck |
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| 18:37.44 | uhsf | on 2007.2, when the progress bar is full, it still needs almost one minute to boot |
| 18:38.28 | uhsf | useless |
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| 18:42.15 | Blalien | Is there any info about the progress on Android for the Freerunner? |
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| 18:43.50 | toggles_w | 12:05 < ulf> lloyd_fedora: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 |
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| 18:46.39 | Blalien | thanks |
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| 18:52.59 | uhsf | it'll be interesting to see if Android will make FR a stable phone before OpenMoko |
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| 18:54.44 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 18:55.11 | ezekiel-v3 | or how OpenMoko will make the G1 a better phone than it is with Android |
| 18:56.04 | candrews | OpenMoko is all Free software, mostly GPL. It's an ideological different project versus Android. Android is all BSD/APL-style, and I bet many company will take the code and lock it away. |
| 18:57.28 | ezekiel-v3 | anyone who is clamouring to write some apps in that Java-esque language, raise your hand |
| 18:58.39 | gurugentoo | c# ? |
| 18:58.40 | ezekiel-v3 | what's the GUI like? Anything as nice as the EFL stuff? |
| 18:59.51 | bumbl | ezekiel-v3: use whatever java toolkit you like (swt,...) |
| 19:00.04 | ezekiel-v3 | nah - not c# - it literally is Java, or a java derivitive |
| 19:00.17 | bumbl | initial java startup takes its time but then it's quite responsive |
| 19:00.26 | kd8ikt | from what i understand... its just another dbus |
| 19:00.46 | ezekiel-v3 | kd8ikt: what is? |
| 19:00.58 | ezekiel-v3 | dbus is just a messaging bus |
| 19:01.10 | kd8ikt | that lil green thing |
| 19:01.29 | kd8ikt | android |
| 19:01.44 | ezekiel-v3 | I think you're confused |
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| 19:02.32 | ezekiel-v3 | From http://code.google.com/android/documentation.html: The Android platform is a software stack for mobile devices including an operating system, middleware and key applications. |
| 19:02.47 | ezekiel-v3 | From http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus: D-Bus is a message bus system, a simple way for applications to talk to one another. |
| 19:03.15 | ezekiel-v3 | maybe Android includes dbus |
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| 19:09.57 | Ackii_3aya | добÑÑй веÑÐµÑ |
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| 19:29.22 | toggles_w | 5 |
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| 19:43.35 | henkie | will the next milestone of fso be released tomorrow? |
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| 19:50.07 | opentrinity | a stupid question: I have to put my ogg or mp3 files only in Documents^ |
| 19:50.09 | opentrinity | ? |
| 19:50.34 | opentrinity | where are setting for mediaplayer to browse my files |
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| 19:57.54 | alexxy | is there a way to add non latin characters to illume keyboard? |
| 19:58.42 | alexxy | or how make another layout and dictionary? |
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| 20:11.05 | tomboy64 | is there something i need to install in order to get bluetooth on my om2008.9 running? |
| 20:11.13 | tomboy64 | hcitool dev doesn't show any devices |
| 20:11.39 | tomboy64 | hcitool scan tells me no such device |
| 20:11.45 | SpeedEvil | you have turned it on? |
| 20:11.55 | SpeedEvil | lsusb show it? |
| 20:11.56 | tomboy64 | in the settings-app it says so |
| 20:12.24 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 20:12.26 | tomboy64 | no |
| 20:12.28 | tomboy64 | ? |
| 20:12.31 | tomboy64 | lsusb |
| 20:12.33 | tomboy64 | Bus 1 Device 1: ID 0000:0000 |
| 20:12.35 | tomboy64 | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 20:13.41 | tomboy64 | /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on is 1 |
| 20:13.43 | SpeedEvil | Ok - then it's not on. |
| 20:13.53 | tomboy64 | ok |
| 20:13.58 | tomboy64 | how do i switch it on then? |
| 20:14.01 | SpeedEvil | try echoing 1 to that |
| 20:14.05 | tomboy64 | i did |
| 20:14.09 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 20:14.21 | SpeedEvil | you've not been doing host mode stuff? |
| 20:14.30 | tomboy64 | uh? |
| 20:14.34 | tomboy64 | like? |
| 20:14.36 | SpeedEvil | prolly not hten |
| 20:14.40 | tomboy64 | ^^ |
| 20:14.42 | SpeedEvil | trying to plug stuff into the USB |
| 20:15.24 | tomboy64 | nu |
| 20:15.33 | tomboy64 | well, i have it connected to my laptop |
| 20:15.38 | tomboy64 | and sshing into it |
| 20:15.40 | SpeedEvil | No, not that. |
| 20:15.42 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 20:15.55 | SpeedEvil | is out of ideas. |
| 20:16.06 | SpeedEvil | Past 'turn it off and on again'. |
| 20:17.28 | tomboy64 | let's try |
| 20:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | likes the idea of wasting 0.3mA for a nice little LED for each subsystem to show state |
| 20:19.27 | SpeedEvil | 0.3mA isn't very visible in bright light. |
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| 20:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | so you are't supposed to develop in bright sun ;-) Devels are creatures of the night :-D |
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| 20:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | get Urself a black bag, if you can't stop developing during daytime |
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| 20:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how 'visible' are the LEDs on the 100Bt RJ45 receptacle on the backside of your desktop PC? Still they're incredibly useful |
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| 20:48.17 | bricode_ | ezekiel-v3: Android does in fact contain dbus. |
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| 21:01.37 | kd8ikt | omg omg omg fso M4 out in in 100min |
| 21:02.10 | kd8ikt | but we all know nothing thats probably not going to happen |
| 21:02.16 | cjb | ooh |
| 21:02.28 | kd8ikt | http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap |
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| 21:10.11 | rpx__ | Hey guys, I am suffering from the WSoD problem, nothing have happend for 3 weeks, is it time to return the phone? |
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| 21:10.53 | kristian_paul | there is way to use radio on free runner? |
| 21:11.37 | kristian_paul | not streaming |
| 21:11.45 | mjr | it has some four radios, three two-way. Elaborate. |
| 21:12.18 | mjr | it does not receive FM broadcast radio, if you mean that |
| 21:12.18 | kristian_paul | i mean listen fm radio |
| 21:12.22 | SpeedEvil | Four? |
| 21:12.29 | SpeedEvil | kristian-m: not directly |
| 21:12.30 | Flyser | he means GPS |
| 21:12.35 | kristian_paul | umm |
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| 21:12.44 | SpeedEvil | kristian-m: you could in principle connect a USB radio |
| 21:12.51 | kristian_paul | yeap |
| 21:13.07 | kristian_paul | i wainting for GTA03 to buy and openmoko |
| 21:13.14 | kristian_paul | i really need edge and camera |
| 21:13.32 | kristian_paul | but radio is not a priority |
| 21:13.33 | SpeedEvil | kristian-m: don't expect it for christmas. |
| 21:13.41 | kristian_paul | :-( |
| 21:14.30 | rpx__ | anyone who know a good way to make the wsod "better" or bearable |
| 21:15.20 | rooly | you could have it play a fun christmas carol, rpx__ |
| 21:15.27 | rpx__ | hehe |
| 21:15.35 | rpx__ | true, |
| 21:16.15 | rpx__ | I heard about one guy who solved it by changing the screen (physically) |
| 21:16.25 | rpx__ | so it seems hardware related |
| 21:17.26 | rpx__ | Do you think it worth try to exchange the phone, so I have one that works? (and plays christmas carols) |
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| 21:18.06 | kd8ikt | or a kernel |
| 21:18.08 | wilhelmb_ | have anyone tried to play avi-files on the GTA02? |
| 21:18.21 | kd8ikt | mplayer |
| 21:18.39 | wilhelmb_ | is it powerful enough? |
| 21:18.39 | Flyser | wilhelmb_: there is an article about that in the wiki |
| 21:18.46 | Flyser | yes and no |
| 21:19.00 | rpx__ | kd8ikt: is there any kernel, old or knew, without the WSoD? |
| 21:19.15 | wilhelmb_ | Flyser: oki, thx |
| 21:19.15 | Flyser | only @320x240 and with reencoding |
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| 21:19.47 | rpx__ | kd8ikt: I wouldn't mind "downgrading" if i got ride of the WSoD |
| 21:20.00 | Flyser | and the quality is not "good" |
| 21:20.27 | Flyser | maybe it running the cpu at 500mhz helps a little bit |
| 21:21.22 | kd8ikt | mplayer -playlist http://dir.xiph.org/listen/2465301/listen.m3u |
| 21:25.03 | rooly | haha, holy crap, that rocks, kd8ikt |
| 21:26.03 | kd8ikt | http://dir.xiph.org/index.php |
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| 21:27.36 | rooly | neat |
| 21:28.01 | rooly | are there any releases of dillo with ssl built in? |
| 21:28.17 | rooly | all the other web browsers crash on my school's network |
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| 21:28.32 | Ke | even elinks? |
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| 21:28.56 | rooly | it has to do with the network authentication they use |
| 21:29.05 | Ke | heh |
| 21:29.25 | rooly | i have to log-in to a webpage each time the wireless network is aquired |
| 21:30.03 | rooly | and minimo and the repo one both don't work |
| 21:30.07 | kd8ikt | captive portal |
| 21:30.10 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 21:30.12 | Ke | yeah it's a common practice, just those pages typically do not crash browsers |
| 21:30.33 | kd8ikt | it will if you fill it with garbage flare |
| 21:30.56 | rooly | i don't think the page itself would crash, but for first time use a device has to register with the network |
| 21:31.04 | SpeedEvil | found a page which (with FF3) crashed X. |
| 21:31.15 | rooly | ? |
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| 21:31.17 | rooly | wow |
| 21:31.44 | dodo1122 | window 20 |
| 21:31.50 | dodo1122 | oops |
| 21:32.10 | Ke | linux 2.6 |
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| 21:32.29 | rooly | i hate pointless research papers... |
| 21:32.57 | Ke | studying chemistry? |
| 21:33.08 | rooly | no, english 102... |
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| 21:39.40 | Dave | drooly |
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| 21:43.17 | rooly | Drape |
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| 22:49.06 | rooly | guys |
| 22:49.13 | Dave | gals |
| 22:49.22 | rooly | why does uboot use debug by default to boot? |
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| 22:56.43 | Dave | Because it's retarded? |
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| 23:03.55 | Dave | :] |
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| 23:18.39 | Dave | slow freerunners |
| 23:18.45 | Dave | they're so depressing |
| 23:19.29 | gurugentoo | slow software you mean hehe |
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| 23:20.03 | moo--- | Dave: saying slow means that you managed to boot up one :) |
| 23:20.38 | KenYoung | My fist personal computer had a 150 kilohertz CPU. THAT was a slow machine. |
| 23:20.55 | KenYoung | ooops, first, nost fist. |
| 23:21.13 | SpeedEvil | My first computer had a 'Slow mode' |
| 23:21.34 | SpeedEvil | (Z80, 1K, most of its time in slow mode was spent doing the screen painting) |
| 23:21.58 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: you mean a non-turbo mode :) |
| 23:22.08 | cjb_ie | ZX80? ZX81 ? |
| 23:22.10 | SpeedEvil | Run-length compressed char screen buffer, painted to video from RAM. |
| 23:22.16 | SpeedEvil | ZX81 actually |
| 23:22.32 | cjb_ie | the screen buffer was compressed?!? mad. |
| 23:22.42 | Tig| | I have a Speccy 16K powerhouse here :) |
| 23:22.53 | SpeedEvil | Well - charset in ROM, chars in RAM |
| 23:23.12 | Tig| | (the 32K versions were for ricers and gentoo users :P ) |
| 23:23.23 | SpeedEvil | cjb: yes - I'm not sure if it was proper run-length, or just eliminating spaces at the end of the line |
| 23:24.33 | cjb_ie | ponders: 32x24 chars on screen. yowch, that'd occupy most of 1k of ram |
| 23:24.41 | cjb_ie | at 1 byte/char |
| 23:24.58 | Tig| | Sinclair Basic did have a good way of forcing correct syntax though :) remember the flashing K cursor :) |
| 23:25.09 | cjb_ie | oh, you could fool that |
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| 23:25.24 | cjb_ie | with key repeat, or just moving the cursor before whatever you just inserted |
| 23:26.14 | Tig| | I remember it could be a little sod, and that if you did not use the command key and typed it, it would not work |
| 23:28.37 | cjb_ie | yeah, it was a different token :) |
| 23:29.10 | Tig| | that and using symbol lock to do the quote marks etc :) |
| 23:29.53 | cjb_ie | don't forget extended mode |
| 23:30.07 | cjb_ie | and graphics mode! |
| 23:30.25 | cjb_ie | POKE 23609,10 |
| 23:30.35 | cjb_ie | bip, bibip, bip |
| 23:30.53 | Tig| | meeee meeeeeeeppppp CKKKKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXXXXKKXKXKXKX |
| 23:31.08 | cjb_ie | Tig|: ram pack wobble? |
| 23:31.17 | Tig| | loading from tape :) |
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| 23:31.38 | cjb_ie | oh, my QL sounded like that one time when a screw fell out of the underside of the keyboard onto the PCB |
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| 23:32.24 | Tig| | eek |
| 23:32.57 | cjb_ie | it was fine afterwards though :) |
| 23:33.08 | SpeedEvil | never did the QL. |
| 23:33.12 | Tig| | heh :) |
| 23:33.41 | cjb_ie | wrote 68008 assembler that hit the screen ram directly for speed |
| 23:34.02 | cjb_ie | 512x256 pixels at 2bpp - 32k. starting at address 131072 |
| 23:34.05 | SpeedEvil | ZX81->Spectrum->PCW512->Amstrad 386 PC->random clones |
| 23:34.26 | Tig| | my early machine experience went Speccy 16k to BBC B to Amstrad PC1640 (early PC) - 486SX :) |
| 23:34.29 | cjb_ie | the hardware could address a second framebuffer starting at 163840 |
| 23:34.45 | cjb_ie | but all the sinclair ROMs mapped the system variables there |
| 23:34.54 | SpeedEvil | Only used the Beeb at school. |
| 23:35.18 | SpeedEvil | With these monitors that if you touched the edge of the screen shocked you. |
| 23:35.30 | cjb_ie | superbasic was nice, but mindbuggeringly slow, especially to load |
| 23:36.18 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: CUB monitors with steel casings :) |
| 23:36.26 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: CUB rings a bell. |
| 23:36.41 | Tig| | my god they could generate some static :) |
| 23:36.44 | cjb_ie | (any binary files scatterloaded, so they were guaranteed to get in in one complete rev of the microdrive (about 7.5s) - but basic programs weren't saved as binary, they were saved as text - so it was more like a complete rev of the microdrive per 512byte sector) |
| 23:37.05 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 23:37.09 | SpeedEvil | Wasn't it two revs? |
| 23:37.12 | cjb_ie | (the microdrive motors took longer than the inter-sector gap to spin up or spin down) |
| 23:37.15 | SpeedEvil | mobius strip and all? |
| 23:37.29 | SpeedEvil | is suffering from bit-rot of that era. |
| 23:37.31 | cjb_ie | okay, one logical rev |
| 23:37.38 | cjb_ie | i never heard about them being mobius strip |
| 23:38.00 | cjb_ie | but it would make sense, doubling storage per head |
| 23:39.39 | SpeedEvil | Wikipedia doesn't say mobius - but... |
| 23:40.46 | Ke | moebius |
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| 23:47.18 | Dave | beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep |
| 23:50.54 | Tig| | nn all |
| 23:53.24 | SpeedEvil | turns Ke inside out. |
| 23:53.29 | Dave | eek |
| 23:55.10 | Dave | fucking usb |
| 23:55.49 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03werner * r4735 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (6 files): |
| 23:55.50 | CIA-50 | openmoko: s3cmci currently doesn't work with our SDIO, although it did not too |
| 23:55.50 | CIA-50 | openmoko: long ago. To find the cause, we revert all the recent changes, and |
| 23:55.50 | CIA-50 | openmoko: examine them one by one. |
| 23:56.08 | Dave | heh |
| 23:56.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | duh, 7.5sec/rev??? use turbotape! |
| 23:56.44 | Dave | Joerg :D |
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