IRC log for #openmoko on 20081029

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`00:01.13`	`BobOfDoom`	`hmm... is there an Australian translation? "The bloody printer's chucking a sickie, mate. Go give it a gobful."`
`00:01.23`	`BobOfDoom`	`also all "Ok" buttons should be replaced with "No worries"`
`00:01.23`	`Kensan`	`heh`
`00:01.43`	`raster`	`Kensan: sure`
`00:01.43`	`Dave`	`o_O`
`00:01.46`	`Dave`	`that sounds wrong.`
`00:01.50`	`raster`	`tho really e is the big one`
`00:01.50`	`Kensan`	`I wonder about Scottish...`
`00:02.00`	`Kensan`	`raster: k`
`00:02.07`	`raster`	`BobOfDoom: i intend to do one one day`
`00:02.15`	`raster`	`BobOfDoom: i just amnot goign to chase a moving target`
`00:02.16`	`raster`	`:)`
`00:02.40`	`BobOfDoom`	`:D`
`00:03.05`	`Dave`	`giggles`
`00:04.13`	`raster`	`i am just happy that our intl infra is there`
`00:04.15`	`raster`	`and pretty decent`
`00:04.23`	`raster`	`it's just hyper-picky about the libc/os support being right`
`00:04.30`	`raster`	`and its unhappy with OE's hacked up stuff`
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`00:05.27`	`raster`	`oooh..`
`00:05.30`	`raster`	`this is too cute!`
`00:06.29`	`raster`	`my sms's are in little speech bubbles`
`00:06.44`	`raster`	`ok`
`00:06.47`	`raster`	`big problem`
`00:06.54`	`Kensan`	`PONIES!`
`00:06.55`	`raster`	`i know why apple dont do copy and past`
`00:07.06`	`raster`	`text selection vs finger scroll`
`00:07.10`	`raster`	`they conflict`
`00:07.31`	`BobOfDoom`	`yep`
`00:07.32`	`raster`	`i think i need a new ay to do selection`
`00:07.34`	`raster`	`eg`
`00:07.40`	`raster`	`double-tap to begin a selection`
`00:07.41`	`Kensan`	`well I am off. Night all. somebody keep an eye on Dave... he's up to something.`
`00:07.44`	`raster`	`then double-tap again to stop`
`00:07.48`	`raster`	`or something of that sort`
`00:07.56`	`raster`	`or tap+hold to get menu...`
`00:07.57`	`raster`	`grrr`
`00:08.06`	`BobOfDoom`	`yeah there's a firefox plugin that does than`
`00:08.09`	`BobOfDoom`	`kinetic scroll`
`00:08.12`	`Kensan`	`raster: btw you might want to check out the touchscreen patch`
`00:08.23`	`BobOfDoom`	`and you do exactly that to select stuff`
`00:08.35`	`BobOfDoom`	`I found it incredibly annoying.. but maybe it just takes getting used to`
`00:08.49`	`Kensan`	`raster: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/002822.html`
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`00:09.53`	`raster`	`Kensan: i saw it`
`00:10.04`	`raster`	`i actually was tempted to put it in myself today to see`
`00:10.17`	`raster`	`BobOfDoom: the double-tap?`
`00:10.28`	`BobOfDoom`	`yeah`
`00:10.29`	`Kensan`	`raster: I put it in my kernel`
`00:10.31`	`raster`	`yeah`
`00:10.39`	`raster`	`i just cant think of too many alternatives really`
`00:10.42`	`BobOfDoom`	`double tap switches between scroll-mode and selection mode`
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`00:11.43`	`BobOfDoom`	`although apple's case I wonder why they did't just use two fingers for scrolling like they do on the macbooks`
`00:11.51`	`BobOfDoom`	`maybe they figured it was less intuitive`
`00:11.53`	`raster`	`Kensan: how does the patch feel to you?`
`00:11.57`	`raster`	`in terms of improving?`
`00:12.17`	`raster`	`BobOfDoom: i'd use 2 fingers for selecting`
`00:12.29`	`raster`	`it draw a span with 2 fingers`
`00:12.40`	`Kensan`	`raster: dude, I am in the "let's get the boot faster" department. I have nothing to do with UI whatsoever`
`00:12.43`	`BobOfDoom`	`ah`
`00:12.45`	`Kensan`	`I wash my hands`
`00:12.47`	`BobOfDoom`	`you mean between the fingers?yeah`
`00:12.50`	`Kensan`	`;)`
`00:13.00`	`BobOfDoom`	`I was thinking two fingers would be too inaccurate for selecting`
`00:13.03`	`BobOfDoom`	`but I suppose like that it works`
`00:13.38`	`raster`	`BobOfDoom: well its less comon that scrolling`
`00:13.45`	`raster`	`so i'd say make it the more complex action`
`00:13.55`	`BobOfDoom`	`true`
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`00:16.31`	`raster`	`but normally u only have 1 touch point`
`00:16.35`	`raster`	`and so u have to work with that`
`00:17.45`	`raster`	`crap so much to do!`
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`00:21.50`	`Dave`	`So much to do, so little coffee, huh raster?`
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`00:22.42`	`raster`	`Dave: coffee has no effect on me`
`00:22.44`	`raster`	`i'm immune`
`00:22.53`	`Dave`	`Caffeine, that is?`
`00:23.01`	`techiem2-r`	`warble`
`00:23.59`	`Dave`	`It has no visible effects on me either; then there's the fact I hate coffee.`
`00:24.16`	`Dave`	`warbles techie`
`00:24.18`	`raster`	`Dave: correct`
`00:30.46`	`raster`	`ooh`
`00:30.53`	`raster`	`these bubbles are... so cute!`
`00:31.16`	`raster`	`coming up a treat`
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`00:37.15`	`break_free`	`so what's with my freerunner beeping extremely loudly after I end every call?`
`00:37.21`	`break_free`	`with qtextended`
`00:38.26`	`slaxxin`	`4.4.2?`
`00:39.36`	`break_free`	`4.4.1`
`00:41.26`	`break_free`	`weird, no? reflashing temporarily fixed the problem`
`00:46.01`	`DocScrutinizer2`	`messed-up audio scenarios / mixer settings?`
`00:47.52`	`raster`	`ooh`
`00:47.54`	`raster`	`so cute!`
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`00:54.00`	`raster`	`http://www.rasterman.com/files/elementary-bubbles-1.png`
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`00:54.02`	`raster`	`http://www.rasterman.com/files/elementary-bubbles-2.png`
`00:54.09`	`raster`	`mah bubblez`
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`00:59.48`	`Dave`	`BUBBLES`
`01:00.58`	`zash`	`raster: nice`
`01:01.10`	`raster`	`aye`
`01:01.12`	`raster`	`bubbles`
`01:01.21`	`raster`	`on my path to... "nice sms app"`
`01:02.50`	`zash`	`seamless integration of im/sms would be nice`
`01:03.07`	`raster`	`zash: eventually`
`01:03.13`	`raster`	`thats why i'm making "more" than sms`
`01:03.24`	`raster`	`ie phone number + date + text`
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`01:04.19`	`raster`	`it should support a bit more`
`01:04.50`	`raster`	`but its enouhg for im stuff i think`
`01:05.04`	`raster`	`but for now - if i can just have the phone bits all nice.. i'll be happy`
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`01:08.50`	`BobOfDoom`	`raster: oooh sexy`
`01:09.05`	`raster`	`on a stick`
`01:09.12`	`raster`	`getting there...`
`01:09.25`	`raster`	`thats where my "this scroll+selecting doesnt quite work together" thing coems from`
`01:09.28`	`raster`	`the text is selectable`
`01:09.28`	`BobOfDoom`	`the idea is to have photo where the e logo is?`
`01:09.31`	`raster`	`but also scrollable`
`01:09.35`	`raster`	`BobOfDoom: bingo`
`01:09.40`	`raster`	`and i also have a "right" bubble`
`01:09.52`	`raster`	`it the stuff on the right side (icon etc.)`
`01:09.55`	`raster`	`ie a flipped version`
`01:10.01`	`raster`	`the idea:`
`01:10.08`	`raster`	`u go to sms and it opens up with ALL smss`
`01:10.09`	`raster`	`all u sent`
`01:10.11`	`raster`	`all u recieved`
`01:10.27`	`BobOfDoom`	`should the bubble's arrow thing be at the top, not the bottom? so it's pointing at the photo?`
`01:10.42`	`BobOfDoom`	`or.. is it associated with the one below the bubble`
`01:10.49`	`raster`	`inside each message at the top i'll add a delete button`
`01:10.52`	`raster`	`and a "filteR" button`
`01:10.53`	`raster`	`ie`
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`01:11.03`	`raster`	`display only messages from/to this person`
`01:11.13`	`raster`	`if it si a message u sent`
`01:11.17`	`raster`	`then only messages in your outbox`
`01:11.20`	`raster`	`if its someone else`
`01:11.28`	`raster`	`then all messages from them and to them from u`
`01:11.43`	`raster`	`btew`
`01:11.45`	`raster`	`btw`
`01:11.48`	`raster`	`it is pointing at the photo`
`01:11.51`	`raster`	`the title etc. is at the bottom`
`01:11.53`	`raster`	`not the top`
`01:12.00`	`BobOfDoom`	`ah ok`
`01:12.03`	`raster`	`thats just how i chose to do it`
`01:12.06`	`raster`	`it felt better that way`
`01:12.11`	`Dave`	`RasterOfDoom`
`01:12.13`	`BobOfDoom`	`maybe it needs some seperator or something`
`01:12.13`	`raster`	`aesthetically`
`01:12.18`	`raster`	`yeah`
`01:12.24`	`raster`	`thats just a test app tho`
`01:12.28`	`raster`	`its the widget set test tool`
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`01:12.30`	`raster`	`not a real app`
`01:12.30`	`BobOfDoom`	`yeah, I understand`
`01:12.31`	`raster`	`:)`
`01:12.39`	`raster`	`but it gets u an idea of where things are heading`
`01:13.07`	`raster`	`i spend mroe time now doing gfx drawing and ui layout/design than code`
`01:13.22`	`raster`	`that says somethnig for how little code is needed to make a widget :)`
`01:13.38`	`raster`	`the problem is its so temptign to just go wild with gazillions of widgets`
`01:13.42`	`raster`	`as its so easy`
`01:13.59`	`gurugentoo1`	`that's a problem?`
`01:14.01`	`gurugentoo1`	`hehe`
`01:14.03`	`BobOfDoom`	`XD`
`01:14.31`	`BobOfDoom`	`gurugentoo1: if you have too many widgets things start to lack consistency`
`01:15.01`	`BobOfDoom`	`gurugentoo1: user has to learn them all, can't just reapply knowledge from one app to another`
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`01:16.01`	`Dave`	`widget whore :p`
`01:16.19`	`raster`	`gurugentoo1: well it means that the api is likely to blow out with milliosn of special-purpose widgets rather than more general-purpose`
`01:16.20`	`raster`	`then again`
`01:16.23`	`raster`	`that possibly is good`
`01:16.26`	`BobOfDoom`	`raster: but yeah, looking good. How would I reply to someone, tap their photo and get a menu like "Reply, Call" etc?`
`01:16.28`	`raster`	`as it makes usign a widget simpler`
`01:16.36`	`raster`	`as it doesnt have a whole bunch of "magic tricks" and options`
`01:16.37`	`raster`	`etc.`
`01:16.54`	`Dave`	`console phone app using ncurses please.`
`01:17.03`	`raster`	`BobOfDoom: oh i am goign to put buttons in the bubble`
`01:17.10`	`raster`	`above/below the text`
`01:17.14`	`BobOfDoom`	`ah cool`
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`01:17.20`	`BobOfDoom`	`nice and visible then`
`01:17.22`	`gurugentoo1`	`Dave: hope you're kidding`
`01:17.24`	`raster`	`ie "delete" "filter" "reply"`
`01:17.30`	`raster`	`on each message`
`01:17.31`	`Dave`	`hardly`
`01:17.33`	`raster`	`so its easy to hit and see`
`01:17.45`	`gurugentoo1`	`Dave: better than nothing I guess`
`01:17.50`	`Dave`	`right`
`01:18.04`	`Dave`	`guru, and when there isn't a single well working dialer app...`
`01:18.06`	`Dave`	`yeah :)`
`01:18.24`	`raster`	`Dave: dialler si much simpler`
`01:18.34`	`raster`	`so simple its just a table with number buttons`
`01:18.38`	`raster`	`an entry to display it`
`01:18.42`	`raster`	`and a dial/hangung`
`01:18.46`	`raster`	`its CONTACTS thats tough`
`01:18.59`	`BobOfDoom`	`yes`
`01:18.59`	`raster`	`the problem also is the backend gsm handling still`
`01:19.03`	`raster`	`the ui is a cakewalk`
`01:19.15`	`BobOfDoom`	`especially if you want to mix say email contacts with SIM contacts`
`01:19.17`	`raster`	`so i'm tackling the more "interesting" thing now`
`01:19.20`	`raster`	`sms/text stuff`
`01:19.28`	`raster`	`as its much more stuff to sovle to get text stuff working well`
`01:19.35`	`raster`	`BobOfDoom: yup.`
`01:20.17`	`raster`	`one problem i am goign to havto wrestle with is if elementary should know anything of thngs like dbus and fso api's`
`01:20.30`	`raster`	`or elementary shoudl strick to the widgets and display/user interaction side ONLY`
`01:20.42`	`Dave`	`Raster, no offense, but I'd like a dialer that looks like a simple calculator.`
`01:20.45`	`raster`	`and if another lib that interfaces fso dbus api to widgets shoudl do that stuff`
`01:20.46`	`Dave`	`fisher price calculator`
`01:20.50`	`Dave`	`:)`
`01:20.57`	`raster`	`Dave: thats what i was saying`
`01:21.02`	`raster`	`its so simple`
`01:21.04`	`raster`	`its boring`
`01:21.07`	`Dave`	`YAY`
`01:21.09`	`raster`	`so i havent done it`
`01:21.13`	`raster`	`al lthe widgets for that are done`
`01:21.20`	`Dave`	`hugs raster`
`01:21.20`	`gurugentoo1`	`(boo)`
`01:21.28`	`raster`	`i dont have to do anything but the ui layout and glue it into actually dialling`
`01:21.29`	`gurugentoo1`	`yay`
`01:21.38`	`raster`	`thats why its "not in the test suite"`
`01:21.38`	`Dave`	`Sure people can have their eye candy and mountains of extraneous bullshit`
`01:21.53`	`raster`	`right now i am creating the toolset`
`01:21.56`	`raster`	`not the end product`
`01:21.56`	`Dave`	`I am vehemently against extraneous bullshit, as I like to call it.`
`01:22.02`	`evolux`	`argh, anybody running mokopedia?`
`01:22.05`	`Dave`	`haha`
`01:22.08`	`evolux`	`i'm trying to setup title search`
`01:22.09`	`raster`	`i just need to make sure i have all the right tools made SO the end product can be made`
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`01:53.11`	`pjz`	`I think a good dialer should be integrated with the contacts`
`01:54.32`	`pjz`	`keep a LRU cache sorted by use of 'most dialed'`
`01:54.32`	`pjz`	`b/c by nature that will handle 90% of your outgoing calls, most likely`
`01:55.26`	`pjz`	`then have the call log view(s), and finally a raw number dialer`
`01:56.56`	`pjz`	`though a contacts list that was a real PIM app and imported/exported vcards would be nice; mostly for the ability to merge phone numbers: work/home/cell etc. The stuff on the sim card doesn't handle that.`
`01:57.05`	`pjz`	`And as long as I'm wishing, how about SyncML import/export ?`
`01:57.08`	`pjz`	`:)`
`01:57.26`	`Dave`	`:D`
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`02:00.44`	`Dave`	`Guru guru guru`
`02:00.52`	`gurugentoo`	`ya...weird`
`02:01.01`	`Dave`	`:P`
`02:01.26`	`gurugentoo`	`my ISP is a pos at times`
`02:05.26`	`raster`	`pjz: i know. agreed.`
`02:07.52`	`pjz`	`I kind of cordially despise the qtopia dialer`
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`02:22.05`	`kd8ikt`	`yes`
`02:22.38`	`kd8ikt`	`i need to make a superduper great image`
`02:24.01`	`kd8ikt`	`OM2008.9 = ugh who did the gsm stuff? i thought you did? oh s%$#`
`02:24.28`	`kd8ikt`	`psst letz fake it`
`02:24.38`	`slaxxin`	`fdom= whats left to do?`
`02:26.04`	`slaxxin`	`the bleeding edge says to have fixed thr reregestering bug but the dialer wouldnt work`
`02:27.06`	`kd8ikt`	`must be something else then ;D`
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`03:09.23`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r93ac25e0ca1b 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/parser.py:`
`03:09.23`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Abort rule creation if there is a parsing error`
`03:09.23`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: Before this, if a function call in the rule file fails, then the value returned by the function is None.`
`03:09.23`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: Instead we raise an exception, and let the parser aborts the rule (with big error message)`
`03:09.27`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r1204c7b443cd 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/oevents.py: oeventsd: added RemoveRule DBus method`
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`03:10.44`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rb1de70790833 10/tests/ (oevents.py test.py): tests: added oevents tests`
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`03:13.43`	`chi`	`ok got usb networking up and running but there seems to be no repo list under install on 2008.9`
`03:13.46`	`chi`	`=/`
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`03:17.27`	`chi`	`can't get to a shell to turn on ssh`
`03:17.30`	`chi`	`twitches`
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`03:35.29`	`slaxxin`	`can u ping -c 4 www.yahoo.com?`
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`03:39.31`	`chi`	`slaxxin, i don't have access to a shell`
`03:39.39`	`chi`	`unless it is hiding?`
`03:39.47`	`slaxxin`	`on the phone?`
`03:39.50`	`chi`	`yea`
`03:40.07`	`chi`	`i just flashed to 2008.9 yesterday`
`03:40.20`	`slaxxin`	`why not use the shell on the linux box since u are sshed in`
`03:40.40`	`slaxxin`	`u have a linux box?`
`03:40.44`	`chi`	`i'm not sshed in`
`03:40.49`	`chi`	`yea all gentoo =P`
`03:40.51`	`slaxxin`	`well ssh in`
`03:40.56`	`chi`	`is it on by default?`
`03:41.04`	`chi`	`i forgot to nmap heeh`
`03:41.32`	`chi`	`nope no sshd`
`03:41.38`	`chi`	`pulls out his hair`
`03:42.05`	`slaxxin`	`well i use slackware so the commands may be different`
`03:42.18`	`slaxxin`	`this is what i do`
`03:42.31`	`chi`	`slack on your phone?`
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`03:42.59`	`slaxxin`	`no`
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`03:43.15`	`chi`	`my problem is gettin to a shell on the phone`
`03:43.44`	`chi`	`i pretty sure usb networkin is enabled`
`03:43.47`	`chi`	`i can ping the phone`
`03:43.55`	`slaxxin`	`well ssh in to the phone from your gentoo box`
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`03:44.07`	`chi`	`slaxxin, i just checked sshd is not running on the phone`
`03:44.14`	`chi`	`via nmap`
`03:44.30`	`wildnux`	`i am getting "`
`03:44.31`	`wildnux`	`Package libgobject-2.0-0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0`
`03:44.31`	`wildnux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:44.36`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:44.43`	`wildnux`	`while installing pidgin`
`03:44.44`	`chi`	`oh?`
`03:44.46`	`chi`	`ok`
`03:44.51`	`wildnux`	`sorry for longer text`
`03:45.13`	`dskippy`	`How can I get the image for qtextended 4.4.2? I can only find 4.4.1 on the download site yet 4.4.2 is announce on the wiki`
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`03:45.20`	`chi`	`oh HELL NO`
`03:45.22`	`chi`	`rofl`
`03:45.27`	`chi`	`thanks slaxxin you rock =D`
`03:46.05`	`slaxxin`	`4.4.2 will /might be in a couple more days`
`03:46.52`	`slaxxin`	`the source is there`
`03:47.21`	`dskippy`	`Oh woa, I didn't even realize the date was in the future.`
`03:47.40`	`dskippy`	`The English grammar was in the past. :-\`
`03:48.27`	`slaxxin`	`http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/`
`03:50.09`	`dskippy`	`slaxxin: Kernel linked to that seems to be down :(`
`03:51.05`	`slaxxin`	`its working for me`
`03:51.23`	`slaxxin`	`i think`
`03:51.47`	`dskippy`	`slaxxin: did you download the 4.4.1 kernel image for gta02 (freerunner) from that link you sent me?`
`03:51.53`	`dskippy`	`I get a timeout on that page.`
`03:52.03`	`slaxxin`	`no 4.4.2`
`03:52.13`	`dskippy`	`slaxxin: You mean the source then, right?`
`03:52.17`	`slaxxin`	`20 megs sofar`
`03:52.46`	`slaxxin`	`yup source`
`03:56.48`	`dskippy`	`Ah, I was talking about the kernel image. I'm getting the jffs2 from the link from the wiki now. Anyoneknow what kernel will work with this?`
`03:56.58`	`dskippy`	`I currently have the 2008.09 kernel.`
`03:57.15`	`dskippy`	`Can I just put the qtopia filesystem atop that?`
`03:58.12`	`slaxxin`	`mwesters kernel would be the best bet but go ahead an try it`
`03:59.44`	`chi`	`yay =D`
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`04:16.00`	`slaxxin`	`potter what can we expect this time?`
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`05:00.39`	`squee_`	`Are the signature checks ever going to be fixed for the repositories? I can't believe it would the THAT difficult to update`
`05:01.40`	`KenYoung`	`squee_, I would not recommend holding your breath.`
`05:02.03`	`squee_`	`inhales`
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`05:02.30`	`squee_`	`starts turning blue...`
`05:02.57`	`KenYoung`	`Oh, oh - iterate!`
`05:03.51`	`gurugentoo`	`anyone use gentoo here? I keep getting "pth_mctx.c:476:2: error: #error "Unsupported Linux (g)libc version and/or platform" " when I try make image with MokoMakefile`
`05:12.05`	`squee_`	`Does anyone here have at&t with gprs working?`
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`05:47.40`	`wildnux`	`i get errors while installing pidgin`
`05:48.06`	`wildnux`	`it says some library is already installed by another package`
`05:48.38`	`wildnux`	`i tried -force-overwrite install but the program won't work`
`05:49.30`	`wildnux`	`i messed up and am flashing again...... can any one please tell me a way to install pidgin on FDOM (october)`
`05:50.21`	`wildnux`	`!pidgin`
`05:51.19`	`wildnux`	`NObody here?`
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`06:03.18`	`kd8ikt`	`no`
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`06:07.53`	`gurugentoo`	`well, it compiles after a fun little hack...let's see if the rest finishes`
`06:08.07`	`gurugentoo`	`who do I complain to?`
`06:08.51`	`kd8ikt`	`specifics matter`
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`06:09.51`	`kd8ikt`	`like htop in the shr ballroom with the ncurses`
`06:10.36`	`kd8ikt`	`heh`
`06:10.53`	`kd8ikt`	`or like i just had a qemu.bb fail :P`
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`06:16.11`	`gurugentoo`	`some detail was up ^^^`
`06:16.24`	`gurugentoo`	`http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 I'm having this issue`
`06:17.00`	`gurugentoo`	`with JB_PC and JB_SP being undefined`
`06:17.59`	`gurugentoo`	`for now I just defined them using the values from that link, but they were obviously supposed to be defined elsewhere`
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`06:57.50`	`gurugentoo`	`so raster...you mentioned that illume is no longer a separate module...what needs to change in MokoMakefile?`
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`07:00.49`	`raster`	`mokomakefile?`
`07:00.50`	`raster`	`nothing`
`07:00.54`	`raster`	`image.bb's need changing`
`07:01.00`	`gurugentoo`	`ah`
`07:01.00`	`raster`	`ie fso-image.bb`
`07:01.05`	`raster`	`or whatever`
`07:01.23`	`raster`	`the .bb's that determine the package contents of an image`
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`08:38.32`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r311 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Fix segfault bug`
`08:48.59`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r312 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (elementary.pyx tests/test01.py): Added some more widgets`
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`08:52.15`	`Shlee`	`Nokia released Qt Extended 4.4.2.. do they mean the sourcecode for the 4.4.1 release?`
`08:53.40`	`Tm_T`	`Shlee: no`
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`08:55.07`	`kraft_31`	`So now i'va installed debian on the microSD card, and made it the default boot choice. But noe I would like to make the FR boot from flash as default, so how do I do that?`
`08:56.18`	`kraft_31`	`I figure there will be some sort of uBoot conf file that need changes...`
`08:58.56`	`Shlee`	`Tm_T: in that case, the release is due in the next few days?`
`08:59.11`	`Tm_T`	`Shlee: 4.4.2 release is now/soon`
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`09:09.14`	`lindi-`	`kraft_31: how did you configure it to boot SD?`
`09:10.25`	`kraft_31`	`I used the script supplied on the "howtoinstalldebian" homepage... give me a sec I'll find it...`
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`09:11.55`	`kraft_31`	`Linid-: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner and the paragraph that says: "Adjusting your uBoot environment"`
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`09:13.30`	`transylvania`	`Tm_T: any changelog for 4.4.2 ?`
`09:13.32`	`lindi-`	`kraft_31: yep but did you read how it changes uboot configuration?`
`09:13.54`	`transylvania`	`I heard that 4.4.1 was unusable on neo`
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`09:18.01`	`Shlee`	`It's not unstable - just buggy`
`09:18.33`	`Shlee`	`4.3 was very good. 4.4 was an improvement and hopefully this new release is the icing on the cake`
`09:18.42`	`cdrum_`	`I'm running a daily build (yesterdays), and have gpsd installed,b ut cannot find the /etc/default/gpsd file. Anyone know where it is on the testing daily builds?`
`09:18.59`	`transylvania`	`Shlee: I said unusable because too buggy`
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`09:32.28`	`Tm_T`	`transylvania: not too buggy here`
`09:32.56`	`transylvania`	`for a main cell phone daily usage ?`
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`09:34.51`	`Tm_T`	`transylvania: yup`
`09:35.09`	`transylvania`	`ok`
`09:35.17`	`transylvania`	`but I will wait for 4.4.2`
`09:35.28`	`transylvania`	`I prefer`
`09:35.36`	`Tm_T`	`actually I have 4.4.2 but...`
`09:35.48`	`Tm_T`	`or so it says`
`09:36.07`	`transylvania`	`but what ?`
`09:36.16`	`Tm_T`	`dunno`
`09:37.05`	`andred`	`great, i have broken my freerunner's u-boot_env partition. could someone do me a favour and send me yours?`
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`09:39.59`	`sakkara`	`transylvania: i use qtextended 4.4.1, i think its less buggy then om =O`
`09:40.49`	`transylvania`	`I will test 4.4.2 as soon as image wili be avaible`
`09:40.54`	`transylvania`	`will`
`09:41.09`	`sakkara`	`calls, sms, alarm, wifi works all fine, and battery lasts longer then fdom`
`09:41.44`	`sakkara`	`yeah, im impatient for the 4.4.2 release^^`
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`09:59.26`	`andred`	`any freerunner owner around?`
`09:59.36`	`[df]`	`probably one or two :)`
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`10:00.08`	`andred`	`could any of you please send me a dump of the u-boot_env partition?`
`10:00.57`	`[df]`	`how do you dump it? using dfu-util?`
`10:01.06`	`andred`	`yes`
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`10:01.16`	`[df]`	`ok, gimme a sec`
`10:01.17`	`Nobody96`	`moin`
`10:01.34`	`andred`	`"-a u-boot_env -U env.bin" for example`
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`10:02.53`	`[df]`	`my dfu-util man page says 'Note: Upload support is currently broken.'`
`10:04.56`	`Kensan_`	`andred: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#What_if_I_borked_my_bootloader_environment_and_don.27t_get_a_prompt_anymore.3F`
`10:05.41`	`andred`	`Kensan_: awesome, thanks. i didn't find that`
`10:06.03`	`andred`	`[df]: nevermind then, thanks`
`10:06.21`	`[df]`	`ah, ok`
`10:06.34`	`[df]`	`it worked anyway, despite what the manual said`
`10:07.08`	`andred`	`[df]:cool, would you mind sending it to aduffeck at suse.de?`
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`10:10.06`	`[df]`	`sent`
`10:10.12`	`andred`	`great, thanks`
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`10:12.42`	`pb__`	`Kensan: for your interest, I updated those benchmark results with the latest numbers, same url as before.`
`10:12.52`	`pb__`	`the 'sh proc' number is now for busybox sh compiled as thumb`
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`10:13.35`	`dns53`	`has anyone got networking working with vista 64`
`10:14.16`	`andred`	`[df]: worked like a charm. you are my hero for today :)`
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`10:14.25`	`[df]`	`:D`
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`10:21.46`	`Kensan_`	`pb__: thanks, I'll certainly take a look.`
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`11:39.08`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r911d22812b55 10/fsod/src/ (12 files in 11 dirs):`
`11:39.08`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 1.) DBus.Connection no longer static.`
`11:39.08`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 2.) Plugin class of Device subsystem takes in an additional DBus connection object`
`11:39.08`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 3.) Refactor all subsequent code in the device plugins. Registering dbus objects now a lot cleaner`
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`12:15.33`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r9531ebb72832 10framework/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/leds_actions.py: oeventsd: Fix SetLeds action that got broken earlier`
`12:16.04`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r767259831c69 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/leds_actions.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'`
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`12:30.06`	`HConceptz`	`hey`
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`12:52.59`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r6813aa557ac4 10framework/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_triggers.py:`
`12:52.59`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Fix IncomingMessage trigger (thanks quickdev)`
`12:52.59`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: This follows the org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM API change from`
`12:52.59`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: IncomingMessage to IncomingStoredMessage`
`12:53.02`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r2b39ee632ca3 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Use PDUAddress.guess for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage`
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`13:12.50`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r313 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (Makefile elementary.pyx setup.py tests/test01.py): Fix some bugs and switch to evas.c_evas.Object as base class for all our widgets`
`13:13.38`	`Dave`	`-_-`
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`13:34.25`	`mmu_man`	`http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/index.php?post/2008/10/28/JDLL-2008#c106 :)`
`13:36.23`	`leinir`	`Quick translation from moon-speak? ;)`
`13:37.25`	`mmu_man`	`I said it was nice they passed by JDLL, but they forgot the goodies to distribute`
`13:37.31`	`mmu_man`	`so I still have nothing to port Haiku to :p`
`13:38.20`	`tomboy64`	`is somebody here familiar with changing an svn-url in a bb-file to use a "peg-revision"?`
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`14:01.13`	`sylar`	`hi, any news about openmoko 2008.10?`
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`14:02.10`	`jadams_`	`http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ <-- is that second image a workspace switcher in the top bar?`
`14:02.31`	`jadams_`	`oh, yeah, duh. also in the middle of the screen`
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`14:05.32`	`wilhelmb`	`what country is it cheapest to buy the openmoko neo freerunner. i live in norway`
`14:06.29`	`tomboy64`	`well, german retailers demand 330 euroes`
`14:06.33`	`Tm_T`	`wilhelmb: from Germany I'd say`
`14:06.41`	`wilhelmb`	`oki`
`14:06.48`	`Tm_T`	`wilhelmb: you also get EU benefits from it, if possible`
`14:07.21`	`wilhelmb`	`what is EU benefits?`
`14:07.39`	`wilhelmb`	`norway is not member of EU`
`14:07.47`	`Tm_T`	`I know`
`14:07.53`	`Tm_T`	`wilhelmb: 2 year warranty by law vs 14 day warranty by manufacturer`
`14:08.01`	`Tm_T`	`wilhelmb: should affect still`
`14:08.24`	`wilhelmb`	`oki`
`14:08.39`	`wilhelmb`	`do you have an url to a cheap german webshop?`
`14:08.42`	`wilhelmb`	`or importer`
`14:08.54`	`Tm_T`	`no, but I got mine from pulster.de`
`14:09.24`	`wilhelmb`	`you live in germany?`
`14:09.58`	`transylvania`	`wilhelmb: if your interested french importer is http://bearstech.com/shop`
`14:11.19`	`wilhelmb`	`ok, the problem is that the Norwegian Krone (NOK) is weak at the moment, so everything is pretty expensive`
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`14:11.22`	`Dave`	`fucking scap`
`14:12.38`	`tomboy64`	`wilhelmb: german one is www.pulster.eu`
`14:12.46`	`tomboy64`	`he ships at least european-wide`
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`14:17.54`	`wilhelmb`	`tomboy64: thx`
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`14:21.19`	`Dave`	`grr`
`14:21.46`	`toggles_w`	`Dave: !`
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`14:25.56`	`Dave`	`Toggles`
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`14:26.44`	`Dave`	`damn germans`
`14:29.38`	`alphaone`	`Dave: :-)`
`14:30.44`	`Dave`	`oh and to finally answer your question, now that 15 minutes later scap finally loaded, jadams, yes it is a desktop switcher.`
`14:30.49`	`Dave`	`Hey Alphaone :)`
`14:31.12`	`alphaone`	`hey dave`
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`14:32.39`	`tomboy64`	`oi`
`14:32.47`	`tomboy64`	`swings the german flag`
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`14:33.12`	`Torikun`	`any ASU users?`
`14:33.36`	`Torikun`	`When you do a opkg upgrade, does it only say "Updating angstrom version"`
`14:34.20`	`Hire1`	`because all the effort will spends on 2008.10`
`14:34.50`	`Torikun`	`I have not seen any package upgrades for over a month`
`14:34.56`	`Torikun`	`shouldnt there be software updates?`
`14:35.17`	`Hire1`	`for 2008.9 ... no`
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`14:36.13`	`Torikun`	`does the angstrom updates provide any benefit?`
`14:36.17`	`Torikun`	`or functionality?`
`14:37.01`	`Hire1`	`none`
`14:37.15`	`Hire1`	`you will see a minor updates very soon`
`14:37.19`	`Hire1`	`as 2008.10`
`14:37.36`	`Hire1`	`and it makes FR more stable and suitable as daily phone`
`14:37.52`	`Torikun`	`angstrom makes FR more stable and suitable as daily phone? or 2008.10?`
`14:37.54`	`Hire1`	`with a nice-to-see-omg-how-is-it-beatiful theme`
`14:38.04`	`Torikun`	`When will 2008.10 be released?`
`14:38.15`	`Hire1`	`no... the next minor updates, 2008.10`
`14:38.27`	`Hire1`	`i can only say "very soon" :D`
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`14:39.44`	`Torikun`	`Is there a devel version`
`14:39.49`	`Torikun`	`like daily build?`
`14:39.52`	`Hire1`	`yes`
`14:39.56`	`Hire1`	`if you want, you can test it`
`14:40.01`	`Torikun`	`Yes!`
`14:40.03`	`Torikun`	`How`
`14:40.16`	`Hire1`	`but rembember, it ins't stable... for now`
`14:40.33`	`Torikun`	`like the one I have is...`
`14:40.47`	`Hire1`	`ok`
`14:41.00`	`Hire1`	`but don't blame against om :D`
`14:41.03`	`Hire1`	`poor guys`
`14:41.07`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`14:41.14`	`Torikun`	`I am just saying a devel version of the latest cant hurt lol`
`14:41.26`	`Hire1`	`are you sure?`
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`14:41.40`	`Torikun`	`We will find out once you post the link`
`14:41.45`	`Hire1`	`devel version = nice tricky and unstable toys`
`14:41.47`	`Hire1`	`http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/`
`14:41.51`	`Torikun`	`this is my only cell phone and it is like ab rick`
`14:41.58`	`Hire1`	`download it here`
`14:42.00`	`Torikun`	`ty`
`14:42.02`	`Hire1`	`and`
`14:42.16`	`Hire1`	`if you want the nice-to-see edje`
`14:42.41`	`Hire1`	`you need to do into ssh sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile`
`14:42.58`	`Hire1`	`and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart to restart the xserver`
`14:43.07`	`Torikun`	`copy and paste those ?`
`14:43.10`	`Hire1`	`yes`
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`14:43.24`	`Torikun`	`ty`
`14:43.41`	`Torikun`	`use opkg upgrade to upgrade?`
`14:43.50`	`Hire1`	`yes`
`14:43.51`	`Hire1`	`but`
`14:43.57`	`Hire1`	`you have only one app, settings`
`14:44.06`	`Torikun`	`?`
`14:44.20`	`Hire1`	`you need to do opkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11`
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`14:44.36`	`Torikun`	`no way to upgrade everything at once?`
`14:44.42`	`Hire1`	`opkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11`
`14:44.52`	`Hire1`	`after you have flashed your FR`
`14:44.57`	`Hire1`	`you need to do this`
`14:45.01`	`Hire1`	`as I told`
`14:45.10`	`Torikun`	`ok`
`14:45.17`	`Hire1`	`next reboot the FR for GSM`
`14:45.41`	`Hire1`	`but remember, it's unstable.. openmoko team works constantly on this`
`14:45.50`	`Dave`	`Torikuns`
`14:45.54`	`Torikun`	`Dave!`
`14:46.03`	`Hire1`	`not-Dave`
`14:46.17`	`Dave`	`Hire!`
`14:46.46`	`Hire1`	`you still hate me`
`14:46.56`	`slaxxin`	`mee too`
`14:47.00`	`slaxxin`	`?`
`14:47.05`	`Hire1`	`yes`
`14:47.12`	`slaxxin`	`yay`
`14:48.05`	`slaxxin`	`everybody hate us americans`
`14:48.53`	`d-b`	`yep`
`14:48.58`	`d-b`	`)`
`14:49.30`	`Dave`	`haha`
`14:49.56`	`nyu`	`it's cool to hate`
`14:50.04`	`slaxxin`	`researched the family tree an it turns out that my family came from iran through europe to america`
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`14:50.24`	`slaxxin`	`a decendent of the real iceman;)`
`14:50.24`	`cjb_ie`	`denounces slaxxin as a terrorist`
`14:50.41`	`nyu`	`or at least so says the offspring :-P`
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`14:50.57`	`slaxxin`	`oooo if i were a terrorist all your base would be GONE`
`14:51.17`	`slaxxin`	`no messing around`
`14:51.20`	`Torikun`	`and belong to US!`
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`14:53.17`	`markuman`	`i'm interesting of buying an openmoko...but will j2me work on it? for example for operamini or jimm?`
`14:53.31`	`Torikun`	`Java does not work =(`
`14:53.36`	`lindi-`	`sure it does :)`
`14:53.46`	`Torikun`	`I could not run my app`
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`14:54.01`	`*** join/#openmoko markuman (n=markuman@pD9E1BE35.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`14:54.03`	`markuman`	`damn`
`14:54.06`	`*** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@89.143.149.202)`
`14:54.22`	`markuman`	`someone has answered me? i've closed the windows....was my mistake`
`14:54.24`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: apt-get install jamvm?`
`14:54.32`	`slaxxin`	`what the qtx anouncement is gone`
`14:54.38`	`Torikun`	`opkg you mean ?`
`14:54.38`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: or apt-get install cacao?`
`14:54.44`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: nope, i suggest apt-get`
`14:54.45`	`Torikun`	`I tried cacao`
`14:55.09`	`slaxxin`	`will apt`
`14:55.20`	`slaxxin`	`wotk on omoko`
`14:55.25`	`Dave`	`Hello Lindi`
`14:55.26`	`Torikun`	`I get the exception errors when I run my app`
`14:55.31`	`Dave`	`oh noes`
`14:55.34`	`Dave`	`The java hates you. =[`
`14:55.35`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: where can i get your app?`
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`14:55.52`	`Torikun`	`lindi-: http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?page_id=210`
`14:56.35`	`Dave`	`haha`
`14:56.41`	`Dave`	`Why would we want to? :P`
`14:57.14`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: what's that chmod 777 for?`
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`14:57.39`	`Torikun`	`permissions must be changed for the app to run`
`14:58.13`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: why?`
`14:58.23`	`Torikun`	`to make it exce`
`14:58.28`	`Dave`	`So he can install his rootkit.`
`14:58.29`	`Torikun`	`*exec`
`14:58.39`	`Torikun`	`feel free to not change the permissions`
`14:59.08`	`Torikun`	`let me know if it still runs`
`14:59.22`	`Torikun`	`lol Dave not root kits, the source is up there`
`14:59.22`	`Torikun`	`lol`
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`14:59.42`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: you have binfmt_misc.ko?`
`14:59.51`	`Torikun`	`huh`
`14:59.54`	`Torikun`	`dunno`
`15:00.07`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: lsmod \| grep misc`
`15:00.15`	`Torikun`	`lindi-: reflashing is almost done`
`15:01.20`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: but yeah, you use java 1.5 features that are not in gnu classpath`
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`15:01.35`	`Torikun`	`what features is that`
`15:01.39`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: Scanner`
`15:01.44`	`Torikun`	`ah`
`15:01.47`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: but anyways, apt-get install openjdk-6-jre`
`15:01.58`	`Torikun`	`I am using asu`
`15:02.01`	`Torikun`	`not debian`
`15:02.10`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: you can install debian to chroot`
`15:02.20`	`Torikun`	`Is debian stable now?`
`15:02.26`	`Torikun`	`how usable is it for messages and calls`
`15:02.49`	`Torikun`	`I may switch if it worth it`
`15:04.19`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: no need to switch completely, just use your java app from chroot`
`15:07.53`	`Torikun`	`lindi-: are you using debian as the main os`
`15:08.38`	`Torikun`	`if so, how is it`
`15:09.21`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: it's easy to hack`
`15:10.37`	`Torikun`	`how is functionality`
`15:10.46`	`Torikun`	`and usability`
`15:10.50`	`Dave`	`Security?`
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`15:11.20`	`Dave`	`Torikun, are you backin' up mah dataz?`
`15:11.33`	`Dave`	`With your javaz`
`15:11.51`	`Torikun`	`hellz yeagh davy`
`15:12.03`	`Dave`	`:p`
`15:12.04`	`Dave`	`cool`
`15:12.06`	`Dave`	`Hope it works ;)`
`15:12.20`	`Torikun`	`it does work`
`15:12.20`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`15:12.35`	`Dave`	`uh huh... Â¬_Â¬`
`15:12.51`	`slaxxin`	`hackers`
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`15:14.03`	`Torikun`	`the new theme is cool`
`15:14.04`	`Torikun`	`so far`
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`15:14.43`	`Torikun`	`iphone like`
`15:15.00`	`kd8ikt_`	`illume??`
`15:15.05`	`Torikun`	`yup`
`15:15.09`	`wilhelmb`	`i get this problem in qemu (ubuntu hardy) s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38.`
`15:15.15`	`wilhelmb`	`what is the problem?`
`15:15.17`	`bricode`	`Dave-o: be nice :)`
`15:15.17`	`quickdev`	`Torikun, where did you get that theme from?`
`15:15.24`	`Torikun`	`daily images`
`15:15.31`	`bricode`	`Dave: don't be a jerk like me :)`
`15:16.03`	`Torikun`	`good work open moko guys`
`15:16.16`	`wilhelmb`	`i get this problem in qemu (ubuntu hardy) s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38.`
`15:16.16`	`wilhelmb`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:16.22`	`Torikun`	`keyboard is cool`
`15:16.36`	`Torikun`	`still hard to make a word`
`15:17.16`	`kd8ikt_`	`need a full screen landscape keyboard`
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`15:17.30`	`kd8ikt_`	`how it would function i dont know`
`15:17.32`	`Hiretto`	`Torikun: you can disable the dict`
`15:17.35`	`*** join/#openmoko arzej (n=arzej@dgk173.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)`
`15:17.42`	`Torikun`	`how`
`15:17.48`	`kd8ikt_`	`prefers the "terminal" keyboard`
`15:17.49`	`Hiretto`	`i don't remember :D`
`15:17.57`	`Hiretto`	`yes, terminal is cool`
`15:18.06`	`Hiretto`	`but now i can type fast with the normal keyboard`
`15:18.16`	`Hiretto`	`only with my nice finger :)`
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`15:18.27`	`Hiretto`	`so, do you like it?`
`15:18.33`	`Hiretto`	`now it's VERY stable`
`15:18.37`	`kd8ikt_`	`all that one handed keyboarding finnally pays off`
`15:18.50`	`Torikun`	`everyone needs tocheck out the new trheme`
`15:18.53`	`Hiretto`	`and om team does a very nice work on improvement as usability`
`15:19.30`	`Torikun`	`I want my backup software to work on it`
`15:19.31`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`15:19.41`	`Torikun`	`how to replace Scanner with whateva GNU uses`
`15:19.48`	`Torikun`	`stupid GNU`
`15:19.53`	`quickdev`	`Hiretto, does the base image still contain the qtopa things?`
`15:19.53`	`Hiretto`	`echo fix, ti caplypso buncing fix, resolv.conf configured with opendns and gsmhands.state with audio fix`
`15:20.02`	`Torikun`	`dialer is qt`
`15:20.04`	`Hiretto`	`none`
`15:20.15`	`Hiretto`	`you need to install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11`
`15:20.51`	`[df]`	`what distro is this?`
`15:20.56`	`Torikun`	`ASU daily build`
`15:21.07`	`Torikun`	`http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/`
`15:21.17`	`quickdev`	`already downloading`
`15:21.31`	`Torikun`	`I want to make apps for this phone!`
`15:21.32`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`15:21.43`	`[df]`	`ta`
`15:22.47`	`Hiretto`	`Torikun`
`15:22.49`	`Hiretto`	`if you want`
`15:22.54`	`Torikun`	`but...`
`15:22.56`	`Hiretto`	`you can join into SHR`
`15:23.05`	`Torikun`	`stupid java`
`15:23.13`	`*** join/#openmoko qhartman (n=qhartman@74.93.188.113)`
`15:23.49`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: it is easy to hack, that should be all that matters for now :)`
`15:24.01`	`Hiretto`	`yes`
`15:24.14`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: gnu classpath has done a lot of work in reimplementing these`
`15:24.16`	`Hiretto`	`but if he want can join on #openmoko-cdevel`
`15:24.23`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: Scanner just wasn't done`
`15:24.28`	`bricode`	`toolchains are a bit of a black art.`
`15:24.29`	`Torikun`	`ah`
`15:24.31`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: why not just use openjdk-6-jre now that we have it?`
`15:24.43`	`Torikun`	`that will work?`
`15:24.53`	`Torikun`	`opekg install openjdk-6-jre ?`
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`15:25.02`	`kd8ikt_`	`heh`
`15:25.03`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: apt-get install openjdk-6-jre`
`15:25.07`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`15:25.13`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: or create package for your distro if it lacks it`
`15:25.34`	`Torikun`	`I jus started Java, so that is a ways down the road`
`15:25.36`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: i create openjdk package for debian for my own use two years ago when no official package existed`
`15:25.37`	`[df]`	`how do the ASU daily builds differ from the FSO builds?`
`15:25.44`	`kd8ikt_`	`i want to read more about the freerunner/android effort`
`15:25.57`	`Torikun`	`kd8ikt_: any links! I want android!`
`15:26.14`	`Torikun`	`lindi-: does netbeans do that easy?`
`15:26.17`	`kd8ikt_`	`its in its infancy`
`15:26.18`	`bricode`	`http://forum.koolu.org http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android`
`15:26.30`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: what's netbeans?`
`15:26.30`	`bricode`	`http://benno.id.au/blog/`
`15:26.37`	`Dave`	`cthulhu`
`15:26.46`	`Dave`	`don't send us your evil os`
`15:26.49`	`Torikun`	`java IDE`
`15:26.49`	`Torikun`	`l`
`15:26.49`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`15:27.04`	`bricode`	`Dave: Quiet you, or they'll banish you to Costa Rica too.`
`15:27.05`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: is that DFSG free?`
`15:27.28`	`Dave`	`:p`
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`15:27.38`	`Torikun`	`huh`
`15:27.39`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`15:28.08`	`Dave`	`That's quite enough lols out of you, Mister!`
`15:28.09`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: were you talking to me or dave? ;)`
`15:28.16`	`Torikun`	`u`
`15:28.42`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: it's difficult enough to follow this channel without talking vertically :)`
`15:28.54`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: but yeah, i don't see netbeans in debian`
`15:29.01`	`Torikun`	`ah`
`15:29.09`	`lindi-`	`hrm`
`15:29.17`	`lindi-`	`wait a sec`
`15:29.35`	`dolf1074`	`bricode: thanks for the update`
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`15:29.45`	`kd8ikt_`	`my brain hurts`
`15:29.50`	`kd8ikt_`	`its bedtime`
`15:29.54`	`Dave`	`haha`
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`15:30.11`	`Dave`	`What happened to you, kd8? Android?`
`15:30.15`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: how much do you want netbeans?`
`15:30.40`	`kd8ikt_`	`i nolonger have the patience to wait for these builds to error`
`15:30.52`	`Dave`	`:[`
`15:32.27`	`kd8ikt_`	`main android news is that the source was recently released (no binary blobage) in turn that allowed whats his name to start porting the arm5 based android code to arm4`
`15:32.31`	`lindi-`	`kd8ikt_: apt-get --build source newer fails :-)`
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`15:34.17`	`Dave`	`hah`
`15:34.19`	`Torikun`	`when can we start installing android`
`15:34.21`	`Dave`	`What's his name?`
`15:34.44`	`Dave`	`It still doesn't solve any of the inherent freerunner issues.`
`15:34.45`	`kd8ikt_`	`as far as i understand theres only like one person messing with it`
`15:34.45`	`lindi-`	`Torikun: does that help with netbeans?`
`15:34.53`	`Dave`	`slaps the general public around with mwester`
`15:35.22`	`break_free`	`kd8ikt_, by it you mean android?`
`15:35.31`	`kd8ikt_`	`for the freerunner`
`15:35.47`	`break_free`	`ah, that sucks`
`15:35.50`	`kd8ikt_`	`i'll drink to that`
`15:36.07`	`Dave`	`I'd think you would drink to pretty much anything right now :P`
`15:37.06`	`kd8ikt_`	`isnt android like pure java?`
`15:37.16`	`Hiretto`	`it seems to be`
`15:37.16`	`kd8ikt_`	`C++`
`15:37.16`	`Torikun`	`When will androind be easy to install on the neo`
`15:37.33`	`Hiretto`	`Torikun before 21/12/2012`
`15:37.50`	`Hiretto`	`and when Dave becomes the president of the world`
`15:37.59`	`kd8ikt_`	`when everyone has an HTC/iphone/touchscreen smartphone`
`15:37.59`	`spydon`	`Torikun, depends how you define easy ;)`
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`15:38.15`	`Torikun`	`how hard is it now`
`15:38.20`	`kd8ikt_`	`like your 12yr old cousin`
`15:38.28`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`15:38.35`	`Hiretto`	`if you want you can ports all calls from arm5 to arm4`
`15:38.42`	`Hiretto`	`talk it with bricode :o`
`15:38.59`	`Hiretto`	`and don't blame mwster... he watching you when masturbate :o`
`15:39.24`	`Dave`	`Hiretto >:)`
`15:39.28`	`Hiretto`	`mwester`
`15:39.36`	`Hiretto`	`yeah`
`15:39.41`	`Hiretto`	`i think so`
`15:39.46`	`Dave`	`hahahhaa`
`15:39.46`	`Hiretto`	`i am a devil >:)`
`15:39.50`	`Dave`	`Apparently :P`
`15:39.58`	`Dave`	`IT'S YOU, HIRE!`
`15:40.03`	`Hiretto`	`yaha`
`15:40.07`	`Dave`	`You can't hide from us!`
`15:40.10`	`kd8ikt_`	`been toying around with debian live helper scripts and fso buildijng`
`15:40.15`	`bricode`	`Armv5 to ARMv4 is non-trivial.`
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`15:40.24`	`break_free`	`the daily builds don't have any phone software?`
`15:40.42`	`kd8ikt_`	`bare bone`
`15:40.44`	`Dave`	`more arms!`
`15:40.56`	`Hiretto`	`break_free you need to install it with opkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11`
`15:41.09`	`Hiretto`	`after this, reboot`
`15:41.18`	`kd8ikt_`	`love that cowmoo`
`15:41.23`	`break_free`	`crap, i'm on my university campus where I can't seem to connect by wifi`
`15:41.24`	`Dave`	`YES`
`15:41.48`	`Hiretto`	`and finally you will see new bugs popup under your nose`
`15:42.03`	`Hiretto`	`because.. i am a devil >:)`
`15:42.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`?`
`15:42.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`oh`
`15:42.14`	`Dave`	`tykje`
`15:42.22`	`kd8ikt_`	`have an entry in wpa_supplicant for your campus?`
`15:42.44`	`break_free`	`it's not WPA, they netreg the mac address which I have done`
`15:42.54`	`Dave`	`so, just auth`
`15:43.07`	`Dave`	`which can be impossible, since the freerunner has terrible browser support :D`
`15:43.17`	`Dave`	`and lacks support for ssl`
`15:43.20`	`break_free`	`i can connect to the ap but can't connect to anything else`
`15:43.31`	`Dave`	`yeah, nice.`
`15:43.55`	`kd8ikt_`	`damn captive portals :P`
`15:44.45`	`Dave`	`YES`
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`15:46.08`	`kd8ikt_`	`especially the ones that want you to pay, they always leave me with bluewifi`
`15:46.22`	`Dave`	`haha`
`15:48.44`	`sakkara`	`oh man, they really have to add a terminal pre-installed in the basic om2008x...`
`15:49.10`	`Dave`	`haha`
`15:49.14`	`Dave`	`did you have to opkg install it? :P`
`15:49.43`	`Dave`	`I can't wait till 2009.X`
`15:49.56`	`Dave`	`It will likely still have all the same problems.`
`15:50.03`	`sakkara`	`no, i switched back to qtextended^^`
`15:50.17`	`Dave`	`Perhaps a wise choice.`
`15:50.23`	`Dave`	`perhaps.`
`15:50.26`	`Torikun`	`i am installing qt now`
`15:50.26`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`15:50.27`	`sakkara`	`xD`
`15:50.28`	`Dave`	`I still think qtx blows.`
`15:50.36`	`Torikun`	`qtopia 4.33`
`15:50.38`	`Dave`	`Qtopia was 75x better.`
`15:50.42`	`sakkara`	`4.4.1 is nice`
`15:50.51`	`Torikun`	`there isa newer one?`
`15:50.58`	`Dave`	`NO`
`15:51.01`	`Dave`	`USE THE OLD ONE`
`15:51.09`	`sakkara`	`why?`
`15:51.12`	`Dave`	`beats Torikun with a freerunner`
`15:51.20`	`Hiretto`	`why?`
`15:51.33`	`Hiretto`	`i use without problem the FR with the daily images`
`15:51.37`	`Hiretto`	`and works very well`
`15:52.02`	`kd8ikt_`	`http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/qtopia-4.4.1-gta02-flash.tgz`
`15:52.18`	`quickdev`	`Hiretto, I just downloaded...but I can't see a new theme`
`15:52.21`	`sakkara`	`i use 4.4.1, and im happy with it^^ (well, happier then with om...)`
`15:52.28`	`Hiretto`	`quickdev you need to do`
`15:52.47`	`Hiretto`	`sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile`
`15:52.53`	`Hiretto`	`and next restart xserver`
`15:53.03`	`Dave`	`switch themes`
`15:53.08`	`Dave`	`or yeah, fix that typo :p`
`15:53.13`	`Dave`	`silliness`
`15:53.19`	`Dave`	`kd8, you on the radio?`
`15:53.40`	`kd8ikt`	`mostly listen`
`15:54.03`	`kd8ikt`	`this is my BS medium`
`15:54.34`	`kd8ikt`	`guess i could psk or cw but :P thats a lot of work`
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`15:55.48`	`Dave`	`ah`
`15:55.53`	`Dave`	`haha`
`15:55.56`	`Dave`	`slacker`
`15:56.24`	`Dave`	`Do you ever overhear anything interesting?`
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`16:00.35`	`kd8ikt`	`wx NOAA weather, and report nets during storms are fun "liek omg theres this goliath tree blocking 5th and main" ;) or some crazy guy with a gun running around downtown cincinnati, or the cab drivers/dispatch etc,`
`16:01.06`	`Dave`	`haha`
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`16:01.17`	`Dave`	`yeah, I figure it's more interesting here`
`16:01.22`	`Dave`	`since way more shit happens`
`16:01.26`	`Dave`	`around NYC`
`16:01.42`	`Dave`	`plus people are always being dispatched or complaining :P`
`16:01.44`	`ezekiel-v3`	`Dave, are you on?`
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`16:01.53`	`ezekiel-v3`	`I'm in NYC as well.`
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`16:02.05`	`Torikun`	`West Side!`
`16:02.07`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`16:02.09`	`kd8ikt`	`i just own a crappy lil 2meter handheld local stuff rx 130-180mhz tx144-148mhz`
`16:02.18`	`ezekiel-v3`	`but I'm not liscensed`
`16:03.17`	`kd8ikt`	`i like that its like a scanner but i can also transmit on my own lil playground band`
`16:03.41`	`kd8ikt`	`so i can be liek omg i just herd on channel blah`
`16:03.59`	`ezekiel-v3`	`nice`
`16:04.02`	`kd8ikt`	`or omg theres a tree lying on me the storm is terrible`
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`16:04.38`	`kd8ikt`	`and my power is out :( nopr0n`
`16:04.59`	`kd8ikt`	`i need some hardcopy`
`16:05.09`	`kd8ikt`	`heh`
`16:05.31`	`SpeedEvil`	`kd8ikt: there are providers of such services.`
`16:05.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`kd8ikt: some even in 3D!`
`16:06.17`	`cjb_ie`	`make your own`
`16:06.18`	`kd8ikt`	`got any capacitors`
`16:06.41`	`kd8ikt`	`sado`
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`16:07.44`	`Dave`	`:D`
`16:07.53`	`Dave`	`ezekiel, who is? :P`
`16:08.31`	`Dave`	`kd8, get a real transmitter.`
`16:08.33`	`MadTBone`	`what's the current preferred way to sync calendar info (evolution or ical files) with OM?`
`16:08.36`	`Dave`	`Construct one!`
`16:10.43`	`kd8ikt`	`i was but i decided to buy the freerunner instead`
`16:10.43`	`ezekiel-v3`	`haha, true`
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`16:13.05`	`Torikun`	`I should of bought a G1 instead`
`16:13.06`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`16:13.57`	`Kensan_`	`He said Yehova.`
`16:14.00`	`Hiretto`	`g1 suxs`
`16:14.11`	`Torikun`	`g1 works`
`16:14.19`	`Hiretto`	`fr works :o`
`16:14.41`	`Torikun`	`installs qtopia`
`16:14.49`	`Hiretto`	`but why qtopia? :o`
`16:14.56`	`Hiretto`	`i don't never get it`
`16:14.57`	`Torikun`	`it works.....more?`
`16:15.06`	`Hiretto`	`it works for what? :o`
`16:15.15`	`Torikun`	`we will see`
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`16:15.33`	`Hiretto`	`we can build a nice ;D together ;D distro for fr`
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`16:15.44`	`Hiretto`	`based on FSO`
`16:15.52`	`Hiretto`	`and EFL`
`16:15.54`	`Torikun`	`can fso text message?`
`16:16.07`	`Hiretto`	`FSO can all you want ;D`
`16:16.16`	`Dave`	`Freerunner HAM`
`16:16.57`	`Torikun`	`is fso easy to install`
`16:16.57`	`Hiretto`	`but fso is "only" a framework`
`16:16.57`	`Torikun`	`lol`
`16:17.07`	`Hiretto`	`omg :\|`
`16:17.12`	`Hiretto`	`no, it's too difficult :\|`
`16:17.26`	`Torikun`	`then...Qtopia!`
`16:17.30`	`Hiretto`	`and however fso is a framework`
`16:17.31`	`Hiretto`	`yes`
`16:17.33`	`Hiretto`	`but remember`
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`16:17.50`	`Hiretto`	`when om releases om 2008.10.. flash it :o`
`16:17.58`	`Torikun`	`Yup`
`16:17.59`	`[df]`	`what, you don't want to send SMSs by hacking up a python script to send a dbus message?`
`16:18.01`	`Torikun`	`I will`
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`16:18.18`	`Torikun`	`om just crashed (daily build)`
`16:18.23`	`Torikun`	`that is why I am moving to QT`
`16:18.34`	`Hiretto`	`as I told before`
`16:18.46`	`Torikun`	`But I will get the OM`
`16:18.49`	`Hiretto`	`it is devel version`
`16:18.51`	`Torikun`	`I like the them`
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`16:21.00`	`Dave`	`Damn`
`16:21.14`	`Dave`	`I can see myself walking around with a freerunner in hand and a giant antenna strapped to my back`
`16:21.17`	`Dave`	`:D`
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`16:21.49`	`Torikun`	`Dave, antenna not supported yet`
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`16:23.12`	`mmu_man`	`damn :p`
`16:23.18`	`mmu_man`	`sat dish maybe ? ;)`
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`16:24.16`	`Torikun`	`gsm barely works lol and you want a dish`
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`16:26.14`	`Dave`	`:D`
`16:26.17`	`Dave`	`that'd be hot`
`16:26.23`	`nemik`	`literally`
`16:26.30`	`Dave`	`I'll do it up!`
`16:26.41`	`Dave`	`Walk around with an antenna head.`
`16:26.48`	`Dave`	`or small dish strapped to me`
`16:26.49`	`Dave`	`funny`
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`16:45.20`	`Dave`	`moo`
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`16:50.53`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * rde3c6f522dba 10framework/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py:`
`16:50.53`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Fix MessageToneAction`
`16:50.53`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: This follows a change in {Audio,Vibrator}Action to tasklets`
`16:51.14`	`slaxxin`	`lpotter any tips /??/"/?"_)`
`16:51.34`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r78bf758d8e77 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4'`
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`16:56.49`	`Torikun`	`How do you disable the dictionary in qtopia`
`16:57.09`	`Hiretto`	`ehhh`
`16:57.17`	`leinir`	`You don't - you install a dictionary for your own language ;)`
`16:57.18`	`Hiretto`	`it's a long long LONG story`
`16:57.42`	`leinir`	`A long story which involves un-free dictionaries for all languages but English ;)`
`16:57.55`	`Torikun`	`the default keyboard predicts a word`
`16:58.03`	`Torikun`	`and that is crap`
`16:58.07`	`Torikun`	`terminal is too small`
`16:58.22`	`leinir`	`Predictive keyboard isn't terminal-friendly, no`
`16:58.34`	`Torikun`	`I want to text easier`
`16:58.36`	`Torikun`	`that is all`
`16:58.52`	`SpeedEvil`	`But what about when you're texting shell-scripts?`
`16:59.08`	`Torikun`	`I do not do that`
`16:59.13`	`leinir`	`pokes SpeedEvil ;)`
`16:59.15`	`SpeedEvil`	`wacky.`
`16:59.25`	`Torikun`	`Isnt there a way to turn off the predictive kb`
`16:59.28`	`Torikun`	`so you can type normally`
`16:59.49`	`Dave`	`spanks leinir`
`16:59.54`	`leinir`	`Torikun: Not using the finger-tappy keyboard, though you can tap-hold to type single letters :)`
`16:59.55`	`leinir`	`murrs ;)`
`17:00.15`	`Torikun`	`meh`
`17:00.20`	`Dave`	`:p`
`17:00.27`	`Dave`	`slaps Torikun around a bit with a large keyboard`
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`17:02.50`	`Dave`	`I need more phone condoms.`
`17:04.21`	`[df]`	`why, do you have a lot of phone sex?`
`17:04.28`	`mmu_man`	`sends some Win32.GenB over Dave`
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`17:54.35`	`Dave`	`hahaha`
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`18:09.11`	`Tig\|`	`hi dave, have I missed anything important?`
`18:10.00`	`Dave`	`No, just more qt bashing, and iphone hating. :)`
`18:10.12`	`Dave`	`and some hilarious stuff regarding law enforcement and radio operation.`
`18:11.17`	`Tig\|`	`so nothing new then :)`
`18:11.32`	`Tig\|`	`ew IRC client for emacs`
`18:11.32`	`Dave`	`right :P`
`18:11.35`	`Dave`	`hahaha`
`18:11.38`	`Dave`	`fuck emacs`
`18:11.53`	`Tig\|`	`there are some seriously sick people on the net`
`18:12.13`	`cjb`	`uses said IRC client too.`
`18:12.21`	`Kensan`	`Tig\|: talking to me?!? eye-twitching`
`18:12.37`	`Tig\|`	`hehe :)`
`18:12.38`	`[df]`	`hmm, I'd try that, but I'm happy with irssi`
`18:12.56`	`Tig\|`	`oh well it is reassuring to know you lot won'`
`18:12.57`	`Dave`	`fears cjb`
`18:12.59`	`[df]`	`is weird, he uses emacs for text editing`
`18:13.04`	`Tig\|`	`oh well it is reassuring to know you lot won't breed anyway :)`
`18:13.07`	`Dave`	`high-fives df`
`18:13.12`	`Dave`	`haha`
`18:13.12`	`Tig\|`	`(ret key fail)`
`18:13.14`	`cjb_ie`	`emacs has a text editor too? wow.`
`18:13.20`	`Dave`	`haha`
`18:13.26`	`Dave`	`jerk :P`
`18:13.34`	`[df]`	`Tig\|: sure we will, we'll use find-girlfriend.el`
`18:13.42`	`Tig\|`	`hahaha :)`
`18:13.59`	`Tig\|`	`!= forking a process... :P`
`18:14.11`	`Dave`	`o.O`
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`18:16.52`	`Tig\|`	`was it something I said?`
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`18:18.02`	`Tig\|`	`I wonder when that re-registering bug fix with filter from base into other images :) I was really happy to see that one squished :)`
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`18:18.43`	`lindi-`	`Tig\|: isn't adding one command so simple that you could do it yourself?`
`18:19.56`	`Tig\|`	`ah, only saw the headlines had not looked at the fix yet`
`18:20.18`	`[df]`	`ah, what was the fix?`
`18:20.32`	`Tig\|`	`dunno but apparently it is one command :)`
`18:21.16`	`[df]`	`to the calypso?`
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`19:39.57`	`CIA-50`	`openmoko: 03zecke 07holger/enterprise-for-dev * re0ff9ff70c4b 10/ (51 files in 17 dirs): bluemchen wiese: Allow to disable certain ugly packages globally`
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`19:46.01`	`slaxxin`	`im gonna get the latest daily an then use the fdomizer`
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`19:47.35`	`slaxxin`	`so why was the qtx anouncement removed anyways?`
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`19:53.58`	`Kensan`	`slaxxin: because the image is not available for download (yet).`
`19:54.31`	`Tig\|`	`qtx ?`
`19:54.55`	`slaxxin`	`Qt extended`
`19:56.53`	`Dave`	`squishes Tig`
`19:58.16`	`Tig\|`	`oi!`
`19:58.22`	`Dave`	`YES`
`19:58.29`	`Tig\|`	`NO!`
`19:59.02`	`Tig\|`	`brb`
`19:59.30`	`Dave`	`bbq`
`19:59.50`	`chi`	`mmmm bbq`
`19:59.53`	`chi`	`drools`
`20:00.40`	`Dave`	`mops up chi's drool`
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`20:03.25`	`toggles_w`	`beerz?`
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`20:08.50`	`Dave`	`sends toggles SIGBEER`
`20:10.15`	`toggles_w`	`catches SIGBEER and returns SIGPIZZA`
`20:10.27`	`Dave`	`D:`
`20:11.44`	`Dave`	`confiscates toggle's signal handlers`
`20:12.17`	`toggles_w`	`too late, i longjmp()'d out..`
`20:13.23`	`Dave`	`:[`
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`20:17.41`	`Dave`	`HIRE`
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`20:21.16`	`toggles_w`	`definatley time for beerz`
`20:21.43`	`Dave`	`no`
`20:21.58`	`Dave`	`Pizza, beer, programming time?`
`20:21.59`	`Dave`	`:D`
`20:21.59`	`toggles_w`	`NO?`
`20:22.04`	`toggles_w`	`oh..`
`20:22.09`	`Dave`	`pizza, beer, and mokos, what could be better?`
`20:22.20`	`Dave`	`except for maybe perhaps the substitution of women for the mokos.`
`20:22.24`	`Dave`	`But besides that :P`
`20:22.30`	`toggles_w`	`no.. too much programming today, beer and fake (.)(.) barmaid time`
`20:23.17`	`henkie`	`what happened to the latest qtextended?`
`20:23.36`	`henkie`	`i saw it yesterday on the wiki as an announcement`
`20:23.44`	`henkie`	`but it seems to be gone`
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`20:27.27`	`slaxxin`	`give it a day or 2`
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`20:29.34`	`Mercury_`	`I just altered my boot splash to have my phone number and photo`
`20:29.43`	`Mercury_`	`The assumption is thieves don't know linux :p`
`20:30.06`	`Mercury_`	`So they wouldn't be able to fence it if I lost it.`
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`20:33.13`	`Tig\|`	`Mercury_: actually that would make a quite nice feature :)`
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`20:34.18`	`Mercury_`	`Part of the benefit of this is there's no way to change it from the interface .. thus confounding thieves with no mad linux skillz :p I hope they never implement it there :p`
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`20:42.22`	`henkie`	`hmm, enlightment keeps crashing for my after entering my pin :(`
`20:42.29`	`henkie`	`using latest fso`
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`20:45.06`	`slaxxin`	`between walmart an motorolla Q1 is getting some air time`
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`20:54.37`	`uhsf`	`I wasn't really reading this channel lately. What's the general opinion here about Google open sourcing Android ?`
`20:55.19`	`cjb_ie`	`embrace and extend!`
`20:56.00`	`mjr`	`yeah, pretty much, sure, let's take what software makes sense from it`
`20:56.23`	`mjr`	`the android phones, tivo crap`
`20:56.30`	`uhsf`	`Does many people wish they could install Android on their FreeRunner ?`
`20:57.02`	`mjr`	`shrug`
`20:57.03`	`Tig\|`	`uhsf: dunno about the general position but imho it is a different goal from OM really, Android is it's own environment, OM is more normal linux / x tech running on phones`
`20:57.38`	`Tig\|`	`yes android runs linux but not in a traditional way, if you are coding for it you are not coding for a general linux environment`
`20:57.57`	`Tig\|`	`actually for where I say linux here I should be saying *nix`
`20:57.58`	`uhsf`	`I still have trouble making my mind about the OM platform.`
`20:58.00`	`toggles_w`	`you are coding for a sunvironment`
`20:58.02`	`mjr`	`yeah, it's almost just happenstance that there's linux underneath`
`20:59.09`	`Tig\|`	`although it is a very interesting idea`
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`20:59.36`	`mjr`	`well, the OM platform has trouble making its mind about what it is`
`20:59.43`	`uhsf`	`it just seems openmoko wasn't meant to be full X environment from the beginning`
`20:59.47`	`mjr`	`but at least it's *nixy`
`20:59.59`	`[df]`	`I dunno, I consider fso to be kinda analogous to android`
`21:00.07`	`[df]`	`personally I think fso will end up better`
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`21:00.31`	`Tig\|`	`now what would be very cool is being able to run the android VM apps under OM at the same time`
`21:00.51`	`[df]`	`hmm, that doesn't sound infeasible`
`21:00.55`	`mjr`	`yes well, that's a likely eventuality`
`21:00.57`	`[df]`	`I've not looked into android all that much thouhg`
`21:01.07`	`[df]`	`s/hg/hg/`
`21:01.08`	`henkie`	`actuall to be making a good phone call would also be very cool :)`
`21:01.20`	`uhsf`	`like the freerunner hardware should've been stronger if it needs to run X`
`21:01.21`	`[df]`	`pfffft`
`21:01.40`	`mjr`	`it does require Someone(TM) integrating the VM with X and whatever phone stuff is popular at the time`
`21:01.41`	`[df]`	`actually yes, tbh X seems to be overkill`
`21:01.54`	`[df]`	`that's one reason I like qtopia`
`21:01.56`	`Tig\|`	`I love my freerunner, it allows me to be antisocial and blame it on technology :)`
`21:02.22`	`mjr`	`prefers the fleXibility`
`21:02.27`	`[df]`	`of X?`
`21:02.50`	`[df]`	`but it's kinda for the wrong reasons, isn't it?`
`21:03.07`	`mjr`	`I have no idea what you're talking about`
`21:03.11`	`[df]`	`there's no good reason why a phone needs to run a networked graphical environment like X`
`21:03.44`	`mjr`	`that's not the main point of running X on it and you should know that`
`21:04.00`	`leinir`	`mjr: Nope, but that's the problem :)`
`21:04.05`	`[df]`	`well, the main point is that it makes a lot of existing apps available I guess?`
`21:04.13`	`lindi-`	`yeah`
`21:04.17`	`mortenlysgaard`	`[df]; Wouldn't compitability with all the apps already existing be an argument?`
`21:04.22`	`uhsf`	`X seems overkill. i'd prefer to run my own arch linux, but then ressources and battery would be short`
`21:04.27`	`[df]`	`but that's what I mean by 'the wrong reason'`
`21:04.30`	`mjr`	`(though running crap remotely is fine too)`
`21:04.43`	`mjr`	`[df], bullshit`
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`21:04.53`	`leinir`	`No, that's the right reason`
`21:04.58`	`leinir`	`It's the wrong solution :)`
`21:05.01`	`[df]`	`well you might as well run windows mobile if you want to be compatible with a lot of stuff`
`21:05.16`	`Tig\|`	`[df]: windows mobile is not compatable with itself`
`21:05.20`	`mjr`	`more bullshit though from a different angle`
`21:05.41`	`[df]`	`this is more a feeling than an opinion`
`21:05.50`	`[df]`	`X seems like unnecessary overhead for a phone`
`21:06.05`	`lindi-`	`[df]: you don't need to use it`
`21:06.06`	`lindi-`	`:)`
`21:06.26`	`[df]`	`and sure, X means you can run a lot of apps out of the box, except that 99% of said apps were not designed to be run on a mobile device with no keyboard and a small touchscreen`
`21:06.44`	`[df]`	`yes, I know I don't`
`21:06.59`	`mortenlysgaard`	`[df]; X is the industry standard. If we where to drop it we would have to make our own standard. That's something om don't have the resources to in the given time`
`21:07.05`	`[df]`	`but all of the distros for the fr except qtopia are based around X`
`21:07.07`	`lindi-`	`[df]: icewm runs fine, and xev, and xterm and ...`
`21:07.22`	`uhsf`	`2007.2 had no X`
`21:07.41`	`gurugentoo`	`where does mokomakefile save the created image?`
`21:07.48`	`mjr`	`uhsf, wrong`
`21:08.02`	`[df]`	`well there're a few options`
`21:08.02`	`lindi-`	`gurugentoo: find -name "*.jffs2"`
`21:08.05`	`[df]`	`qt, obviously`
`21:08.11`	`mortenlysgaard`	`yeah, it was based on x and gtk`
`21:08.13`	`[df]`	`gtkfb, although I've no idea how good it is`
`21:09.01`	`gurugentoo`	`lindi-: ah yes`
`21:09.25`	`[df]`	`I know it's the standard, and I know there are good reasons for using it, but it just seems to me from a first-principles point of view to be the wrong thing`
`21:09.40`	`mortenlysgaard`	`[df]; That's the point. We can't whine about an unstable phone, _and_ at the same time want an graphical server noone knows`
`21:10.03`	`[df]`	`pragmatism :)`
`21:10.21`	`lindi-`	`[df]: but again, you can run it without X if you like :)`
`21:10.30`	`leinir`	`Which we do, happily :)`
`21:10.45`	`uhsf`	`how? text apps only?`
`21:10.56`	`leinir`	`uhsf: qtopia or qt extended :)`
`21:10.57`	`[df]`	`yes, I can, and the good thing is I can write a gui for fso that doesn't use X if I want`
`21:11.07`	`[df]`	`so, er, I'll stop whining :p`
`21:11.08`	`mjr`	`[df], seems probably because you have this mental image of X as a network thing. It's merely that too.`
`21:11.12`	`[df]`	`just an opinion`
`21:11.15`	`Dave`	`plays with leinir's runlevels`
`21:11.25`	`[df]`	`mjr: nah, I mostly have an image of X as a big, heavy thing`
`21:11.34`	`toggles_w`	`Dave: i'`
`21:11.39`	`Wonka`	`i tried phoning with my FR and a little aged fso-testing today... and i got no sound at all.`
`21:11.39`	`mjr`	`that's not very well founded either`
`21:11.43`	`toggles_w`	`ve told you before that thats not polite`
`21:11.46`	`Dave`	`Hello wonka!`
`21:11.57`	`Wonka`	`which images do work at least a little at the moment?`
`21:12.10`	`mortenlysgaard`	`fdom`
`21:12.16`	`leinir`	`qt extended 4.4.1`
`21:12.18`	`lindi-`	`debian but it's not an image :)`
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`21:12.34`	`chi`	`2008.9 works for me`
`21:12.43`	`Wonka`	`lindi-: i am waiting for e17 and illume on debian... and i want some image in flash`
`21:12.52`	`Wonka`	`lindi-: something as a fallback, so to say`
`21:12.59`	`mortenlysgaard`	`I'we got the last fdom, works like a charm. But if you want to keep it that way, don't "opkg upgrade"`
`21:13.07`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: i don't want e17 :)`
`21:13.08`	`[df]`	`mjr: is it not? X seems very complete and all-encompassing, which as I say seems overkill to me for an embedded device`
`21:13.08`	`mjr`	`still uses 2007.2 which is inconvenient but I need it to work mostly...`
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`21:13.30`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: i use icewm since it has existed for a long time and just works :)`
`21:14.02`	`mortenlysgaard`	`Hehe, seems like we all use different distros :P`
`21:14.06`	`Dave`	`fuck`
`21:14.08`	`Wonka`	`lindi-: i am runnig xfce atm, with openmoko-panel-plugin. stupid keyboard always pops up at the top of the screen...`
`21:14.14`	`Dave`	`UGGH`
`21:14.15`	`uhsf`	`i also still use 2007.2 since early july`
`21:14.28`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: matchbox-keyboard?`
`21:14.34`	`gurugentoo`	`Dave: having some issues there?`
`21:14.34`	`Wonka`	`lindi-: covering the terminal. and if i move it down, it starts fluttering when i use some of the lower keys.`
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`21:14.38`	`Wonka`	`lindi-: ack.`
`21:14.38`	`uhsf`	`icewm is so overkill and not intended for a phone`
`21:14.39`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: i use xvkbd since it can be placed to a configured place`
`21:14.41`	`Dave`	`YES`
`21:14.46`	`Dave`	`COULD YOU TELL?`
`21:14.57`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: overkill?`
`21:15.07`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: there's even icewm-lite package in debian`
`21:15.09`	`mjr`	`I'd like to run debian, which would motivate me to develop a bit, but well. I just need the phone stuff to work too much.`
`21:15.14`	`uhsf`	`xfce is even worse`
`21:15.15`	`Dave`	`apparently resetting the freerunner for some strange reason with usb devices plugged into it while connected to my PC made it take a dump on my kernel`
`21:15.24`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: yes xfce is heavy weight compared to icewm`
`21:15.25`	`Dave`	`and just fucked up all my terminal windows with syslogd bullshit`
`21:15.28`	`gurugentoo`	`Wonka: I use the matchbox wm with xfce and it puts the keyboard in the correct place`
`21:15.46`	`uhsf`	`i can't believe you are running xfce on the freerunner`
`21:15.47`	`lindi-`	`gurugentoo: no wonder matchbox wm works with matchbox kbd`
`21:15.47`	`Dave`	`it looks like it also dumped the contents of several registers`
`21:15.52`	`lindi-`	`gurugentoo: see a pattern? ;)`
`21:16.06`	`uhsf`	`should be very unstable and short battery life`
`21:16.14`	`Wonka`	`gurugentoo: worth a try`
`21:16.20`	`gurugentoo`	`lindi-: well..ya that's kind of the point`
`21:16.24`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: icewm on the other hand is rock solid :)`
`21:16.30`	`mortenlysgaard`	`Btw, anyone of you know how to make opkg's?`
`21:16.33`	`Wonka`	`lindi-: worth a try too :)`
`21:16.51`	`lindi-`	`gurugentoo: so i switched to xvkbd since it has 10 years of history and works with any wm so i can switch to different wm in the future if i need`
`21:17.17`	`uhsf`	`i run xmonad on a intel quad core, i would never use it on the freerunner`
`21:17.37`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: probably because it needs keyboard?`
`21:17.40`	`uhsf`	`these wm are meant to be used with a keyboard`
`21:17.59`	`lindi-`	`icewm is quite easy to use without keyboard`
`21:18.03`	`lindi-`	`</advertisement>`
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`21:18.28`	`uhsf`	`i'm not so sure about that`
`21:18.54`	`lindi-`	`i can switch between workspaces and apps easily and start new programs`
`21:19.24`	`uhsf`	`workspaces are so overkill for the freerunner`
`21:19.38`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: sorry but i need them :)`
`21:20.04`	`uhsf`	`i would never think about having more than one app at a time on this screen`
`21:20.16`	`lindi-`	`then don't :)`
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`21:20.27`	`leinir`	`Hmm... i kinda think that a type of activities system would be fairly nifty, really...`
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`21:21.16`	`lindi-`	`but workspaces help me cope with the small screen, i can arrange some apps to one workspace and then when i need to do something completely different like write a shopping list i can do that on another workspace and later return to what i was doing`
`21:21.31`	`uhsf`	`just need some full featured statusbar/panel to handle everything touchtype`
`21:21.57`	`ronny`	`lindi-: arent basically all apps fullscreen anyway ?!`
`21:22.39`	`leinir`	`lindi-: So... you basically use it as a categorised task bar? :)`
`21:22.52`	`lindi-`	`leinir: hmm?`
`21:23.01`	`lindi-`	`leinir: in a way maybe`
`21:23.03`	`Dave`	`ronny!`
`21:23.06`	`Dave`	`more vala please!`
`21:23.16`	`lindi-`	`ronny: two xterms fit just fine`
`21:23.27`	`Dave`	`great`
`21:23.30`	`Dave`	`I blew up the usb bus`
`21:23.31`	`lindi-`	`ronny: 80x25 xterms, that is`
`21:23.33`	`Dave`	`just great.`
`21:23.55`	`ronny`	`lindi-: how do you seriously work with that small letters (let alone the eye dammage)`
`21:24.02`	`lindi-`	`ronny: so i can IRC and watch tcpdump output at the same time`
`21:24.05`	`lindi-`	`ronny: yes`
`21:24.13`	`ronny`	`Dave: why i?`
`21:24.31`	`ronny`	`im busy writing ide's and being sad about the software state`
`21:24.50`	`lindi-`	`ronny: i use 169x58 on my PC right now. i think this is 19" monitor, let me check`
`21:25.17`	`Dave`	`heh`
`21:25.20`	`Dave`	`what else is new?`
`21:25.22`	`Dave`	`:P`
`21:25.30`	`leinir`	`1650x1050 on a 15" monitor :)`
`21:25.42`	`leinir`	`so i'm used to tiny :)`
`21:25.47`	`ronny`	`values his eyes more`
`21:25.56`	`lindi-`	`width is 36cm and my distance from the monitor is 80cm`
`21:26.08`	`Dave`	`watches leinir on his 30"`
`21:26.12`	`ronny`	`hmm`
`21:26.19`	`Dave`	`ronny, good call.`
`21:26.21`	`Dave`	`I would too :)`
`21:26.21`	`lindi-`	`let me work out how large each character is`
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`21:26.36`	`ronny`	`i'll have to hold a seminar about openmoko hardware stuff soon`
`21:26.55`	`uhsf`	`my vaio ux is 1024x600 @ 4.5"`
`21:27.06`	`henkie`	`hmm, enlightenment also crashes with SHR`
`21:27.12`	`henkie`	`could it be my sim card?`
`21:28.13`	`lindi-`	`ronny: so the display is 25 degrees in x direction from my point of view. that is 0.15 degrees per character`
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`21:29.46`	`lindi-`	`ronny: i get the same angle if i watch my phone at a distance of 21 cm`
`21:30.22`	`lindi-`	`i hope i got all the math right :)`
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`21:31.31`	`ronny`	`wtf?`
`21:32.53`	`mortenlysgaard`	`Hehe, scary thing that math bug ;)`
`21:33.56`	`Tig\|`	`mortenlysgaard: what math bug?`
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`21:34.10`	`Tig\|`	`we are not running P1 chips are we?`
`21:34.23`	`lindi-`	`ronny: solve(169(4.5)/x = 80(36)/80, x),numer;`
`21:34.27`	`lindi-`	`ronny: [x = 21.125]`
`21:34.38`	`slaxxin`	`if we were these phones would be screamers`
`21:34.45`	`lindi-`	`ronny: which part is unclear?`
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`21:35.24`	`ronny`	`lindi-: kinda scary`
`21:35.26`	`mortenlysgaard`	`Tig\|; Once it bites you, you begin to speak in numbers and formulaes. just look at lindi`
`21:35.35`	`Tig\|`	`eek!`
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`21:36.03`	`lindi-`	`ronny: but really the 80x25 terminal is not that hard to read if you have no extra dirt in the screen`
`21:36.44`	`mjr`	`yeah it's fine`
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`21:53.42`	`Wonka`	`gurugentoo: does openmoko-panel-plugin integrate with matchbox-window-manager?`
`21:54.17`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: mb has a panel i think`
`21:54.51`	`Wonka`	`starts aptitude on his notebook...`
`21:56.06`	`Wonka`	`(it always takes soooo awfully long on the FR...)`
`21:56.07`	`Wonka`	`lindi-: yes, matchbox-panel... do you use it? if not, how do you toggle matchbox-keyboard?`
`21:56.35`	`gurugentoo`	`Wonka: it should...I still use xfce4-panel`
`21:56.53`	`Wonka`	`gurugentoo: with matchbox-window-manager?`
`21:56.58`	`gurugentoo`	`Wonka: yes`
`21:57.04`	`Wonka`	`mhmh`
`21:57.09`	`Wonka`	`will see...`
`21:58.58`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: i use icewm`
`21:59.09`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: openmoko-panel-plugin works with it`
`21:59.15`	`lindi-`	`(but i don't use the panel plugin normally)`
`21:59.43`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: i toggle xvkbd by clicking icewm tray`
`22:00.05`	`lindi-`	`Wonka: so that AUX is completely free for my "push-to-record" application`
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`22:01.28`	`Wonka`	`mhmh`
`22:01.37`	`Wonka`	`i want aux to be free too`
`22:01.50`	`Wonka`	`at least not to have it toggle the keyboard`
`22:01.54`	`lindi-`	`yep`
`22:02.08`	`lindi-`	`next i want to liberate PWR button`
`22:02.15`	`lindi-`	`but that needs changes to zhone or replacing zhone`
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`22:11.09`	`nomeata`	`Wonka: we install trayer for openmoko-panel-plugin by default in the current Debian installer`
`22:12.21`	`Wonka`	`invokes apt-cache show on that...`
`22:12.32`	`Wonka`	`echo 'bus.get_object("org.freesmartphone.odeviced", "/org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/pcf50633_bl").SetBrightness(90);' \| cli-framework`
`22:12.42`	`Wonka`	`why doesn't that one light up my screen now?`
`22:13.28`	`uhsf`	`trayer for openmoko sounds very wrong`
`22:14.16`	`uhsf`	`such thing should be implemented right into om itself`
`22:14.38`	`CIA-50`	`freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r24e4ec6658fb 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: audio: fallback to NullPlayer if GStreamerPlayer can't be launched`
`22:14.42`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: om?`
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`22:15.15`	`uhsf`	`*OM`
`22:15.27`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: but what does that mean here?`
`22:15.46`	`lindi-`	`write a custom tray handler?`
`22:16.06`	`uhsf`	`i don't want to start installing a tray application on the phone`
`22:16.27`	`Wonka`	`mb-applet-menu-launcher kill`
`22:16.33`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: would you still follow http://standards.freedesktop.org/systemtray-spec/latest/?`
`22:16.37`	`Wonka`	`useless stuff it presents me!`
`22:16.52`	`Wonka`	`"bulk rename" yes, tangogps and zhone no.`
`22:17.36`	`uhsf`	`some people like me just want to be user of the openmoko, not necessarly developper`
`22:17.47`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: i don't understand you, if it is integrated to "OM" then when you install "OM" you will install the tray app`
`22:18.37`	`uhsf`	`i really like fine tuning my arch linux system but i just don't have the time to dedicate as much for a phone`
`22:19.12`	`lindi-`	`same here, this is way i tend to use components that already exist instead of rewriting them`
`22:19.15`	`lindi-`	`(icewm, for example)`
`22:20.02`	`uhsf`	`i would just like a light and simple touch based gui that's ready to use`
`22:21.27`	`uhsf`	`i know linux is about choice but i don't want to learn a whole other system to install apps on my phone`
`22:21.52`	`uhsf`	`is your ice wm setup stable ?`
`22:22.02`	`uhsf`	`is it debian?`
`22:22.56`	`johngay`	`mwester here?`
`22:24.22`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: yes and yes`
`22:24.43`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: it's not a new system, it's the same debian system i use on my desktop`
`22:24.55`	`uhsf`	`what if i try to install arch linux on the freerunner ?`
`22:25.21`	`uhsf`	`how to use the phone features then?`
`22:25.34`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: you package the phone app to arch linux`
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`22:27.03`	`uhsf`	`the most basic arch setup i can think of uses about 200 MB how much has the freerunner already?`
`22:30.29`	`SpeedEvil`	`you can fit 8G microSD`
`22:30.36`	`SpeedEvil`	`there is 256M onboard.`
`22:30.52`	`uhsf`	`only 128 MB ram`
`22:31.20`	`uhsf`	`i guess a swap partition is important`
`22:31.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`Think of it as a desktop of 6 or 7 years ago.`
`22:31.44`	`SpeedEvil`	`128M was quite adequate.`
`22:32.04`	`Ke`	`isn't arch strictly x86 -distro`
`22:32.21`	`uhsf`	`freerunner isn't x86 ?`
`22:32.45`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: it's arm`
`22:32.45`	`SpeedEvil`	`uhsf: yes`
`22:33.01`	`uhsf`	`so it would be ok`
`22:33.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`uhsf: no`
`22:33.21`	`SpeedEvil`	`uhsf: You could I suppose run it under QEMU.`
`22:33.29`	`Ke`	`!`
`22:33.43`	`Wonka`	`hrmf...`
`22:33.55`	`uhsf`	`so i just forget about arch on the freerunner`
`22:34.09`	`Wonka`	`i made a small "buttons-daemon"... which does things on clicked or held power- or aux-button`
`22:34.22`	`uhsf`	`then i prefer openmoko to debian in this situation`
`22:34.23`	`Wonka`	`click pwr: start gpe-taskmanager`
`22:34.29`	`Wonka`	`hold pwr: apm -s`
`22:34.34`	`Wonka`	`hold aux: xterm`
`22:34.45`	`Wonka`	`anyone got an idea for clicking aux?`
`22:35.00`	`johngay`	`A guy at work was showing off his iPhone. He was amazed at the craps game where you shake the phone to roll the dice.`
`22:35.06`	`Ke`	`Wonka: make a morse interpreter ;o)`
`22:35.39`	`uhsf`	`i'd like to understand in what ways OM tweaked linux for it's purpoose`
`22:35.39`	`Wonka`	`maybe mute/unmute...`
`22:35.51`	`muxe`	`johngay : haha a guy at university today did the same to me ;)`
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`22:36.29`	`muxe`	`then i showed him monkey island on freerunner`
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`22:39.07`	`SpeedEvil`	`uhsf: not really`
`22:39.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`uhsf: it's 'just' another distribution`
`22:41.50`	`uhsf`	`but it should be focused on being small and boot fast...`
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`22:43.20`	`SpeedEvil`	`At the moment, it first needs to be a phone.`
`22:43.27`	`ronny`	`muxe: epic win!`
`22:43.28`	`SpeedEvil`	`It's not yet a reliable phone.`
`22:43.46`	`Ke`	`shouldn't cell phones be on all the time`
`22:43.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`Ke: no`
`22:44.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`Ke: they should be asleep as deeply as possible between calls/uses.`
`22:44.21`	`SpeedEvil`	`They should (in prtinciple) only boot when they absolutely have to.`
`22:44.33`	`Ke`	`SpeedEvil: isn't that just suspend?`
`22:44.43`	`uhsf`	`i'm trying to get a positive opinion of the qt/X environment. 2008.9 known issues from the wiki are not encouraging me to make the switch`
`22:44.46`	`Wonka`	`boot once, only suspend afterwards`
`22:45.00`	`SpeedEvil`	`Ke: in practice, looking at it from a hardware point of view, some of the states are pretty much off, with RAM alive.`
`22:45.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`Ke: you have to basically 'boot' the processor.`
`22:45.34`	`Ke`	`but still not boot the OS?`
`22:45.39`	`SpeedEvil`	`Ke: no`
`22:45.44`	`SpeedEvil`	`Ke: as RAM is alive`
`22:45.55`	`Wonka`	`this mb-applet-menu-launcher is crap. i want something like it, but displaying a debian-style menu`
`22:45.58`	`uhsf`	`asleep/suspend is fine. freezing in a coma is not`
`22:46.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`uhsf: no.`
`22:47.58`	`uhsf`	`some known issues from the wiki really bug me`
`22:48.15`	`uhsf`	`let me ask about some`
`22:48.17`	`SpeedEvil`	`known issues may be out of date. And no. I don't know if it is.`
`22:48.43`	`uhsf`	`GSM not working properly after x hours. Is it worse than with 2007.2 ?`
`22:49.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`uhsf: do you have FR now?`
`22:49.53`	`uhsf`	`i have an FR with 2007.2 order the 3rd of July`
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`22:51.02`	`uhsf`	`i know i should just try 2008.9 on a miniSD and stop asking questions but maybe it's better that i wait a while`
`22:51.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`You might try backing up your existing image.`
`22:51.20`	`SpeedEvil`	`Yeah - installing other stuff on SD is a good plan.`
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`22:53.16`	`SpeedEvil`	`has no FR, so can't help much as I haven't tried recent images on it.`
`22:53.25`	`uhsf`	`Cannot dial numbers starting with * or #. this one is a little hard to settle with`
`22:53.43`	`lindi-`	`what numbers start with *?`
`22:54.16`	`uhsf`	`the one i have to call to add credit to my phone account`
`22:54.43`	`uhsf`	`or know how much credit left`
`22:55.01`	`lindi-`	`and i can call *99# just fine`
`22:55.28`	`uhsf`	`on 2008.9 ?`
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`22:56.40`	`uhsf`	`Neo turns off before reaching x. if this one is true i just have to wait with 2007.2 for a while`
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`22:58.01`	`SpeedEvil`	`Not all issues are seen by all users as I understand it.`
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`23:02.00`	`uhsf`	`i'll look into upgrading possibly during next hollydays when my exams are finished. would be nice if only i get a stable OM system by then`
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`23:07.24`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: by sending the command to the GSM chip`
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`23:13.18`	`uhsf`	`lindi-: what apps do you use for the phone features ?`
`23:14.07`	`lindi-`	`uhsf: zhone at the moment`
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`23:17.25`	`uhsf`	`i could imagine everything being cli only, what's needed is a good on screen keyboard`
`23:17.55`	`lindi-`	`menus are easier for choosing programs than cli still`
`23:19.06`	`uhsf`	`does zhone have an x terminal ?`
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`23:19.45`	`gurugentoo`	`uhsf: zhone is just a dialer`
`23:20.10`	`gurugentoo`	`with limited contacts`
`23:20.10`	`uhsf`	`so you have xterm ?`
`23:20.15`	`gurugentoo`	`yes`
`23:20.16`	`viq`	`bah, the wireless on FR absolutelu sucks.`
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`23:24.06`	`Dave`	`haha`
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`23:25.30`	`Dave`	`guru :p`
`23:25.46`	`uhsf`	`if 2009.8 is qtopia on X, why not use strictly qtopia ?`
`23:26.10`	`gurugentoo`	`why is the font on FSO so tiny?`
`23:26.43`	`gurugentoo`	`I just flashed the newest build`
`23:28.10`	`johngay`	`Hey Dave!`
`23:28.59`	`uhsf`	`is the point of openmoko over qtopia only to have a full linux to mess around with?`
`23:29.48`	`johngay`	`No, it's to allow programming with any GUI tools instead of 'vendor lock-in' with qtExt.`
`23:34.49`	`uhsf`	`where is there more 2008.9 screenshots ?`
`23:37.41`	`[Rui]`	`uhsf: frankly, qtopia is a horrid piece of shit`
`23:37.59`	`[Rui]`	`all these years, so much fame, all it's got is that?`
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`23:38.18`	`Dave`	`mokoporn`
`23:38.26`	`uhsf`	`but openmoko is basically qtopia on X ...`
`23:38.33`	`nyu`	`[Rui]: at least it's stable..`
`23:38.44`	`[Rui]`	`nyu: hahaha`
`23:39.05`	`nyu`	`[Rui]: it's the most stable option for FR I tried`
`23:39.09`	`[Rui]`	`nyu: only compared to OM's driver support ;)`
`23:39.18`	`nyu`	`what else would you compare it to?`
`23:39.35`	`CVirus`	`Qt > *`
`23:39.48`	`nyu`	`CVirus: ambigous redirect`
`23:39.55`	`CVirus`	`hehe`
`23:40.05`	`CVirus`	`that's a greater than sign`
`23:40.21`	`[Rui]`	`I'm quite anxious for OM's stability and basics work, work on that, forget crappy qtopia`
`23:41.08`	`Dave`	`:D`
`23:43.14`	`[Rui]`	`nyu: no it's not upside down, how on earth did you do that? :D`
`23:43.14`	`Dave`	`damnit, discharged again.`
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`23:47.40`	`uhsf`	`[Rui]: would you use a stable Google Android if it was ported to the FR ?`
`23:49.22`	`johngay`	`I'd use anything that was stable on my FR.`
`23:49.32`	`SpeedEvil`	`will only use android when it fulfills the three laws.`
`23:50.23`	`Wonka`	`lol`
`23:50.32`	`Dave`	`hah`
`23:50.49`	`johngay`	`Anyone know much about the G1 platform? someone mentioned the OS needs to be signed?`
`23:51.19`	`[Rui]`	`uhsf: since it doesn't seem to be or promote Free Software, I'm rather inclined not to do so, ever`
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`23:51.41`	`Wonka`	`you know that would require it to do some things you do not want it to do and also to not do some things you want it to?`
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`23:51.55`	`Dave`	`yeah it's a bit paradoxical`
`23:52.07`	`Wonka`	`wasn't Android opensourced?`
`23:52.26`	`uhsf`	`it's open source`
`23:53.07`	`[Rui]`	`uhsf: it's designed to be controlled by someone other than you, so no it's not :)`
`23:53.20`	`johngay`	`So was tivo, but the boxes wouldn't run anything that wasn't signed, hence one of the reasons for GPL-v3`
`23:54.06`	`uhsf`	`android is not really appealing to me, it's just that it'll apparently become quite big`
`23:54.25`	`[Rui]`	`uhsf: for so much ado, I'm really surprised on how little it provides`
`23:54.50`	`[Rui]`	`Ä¨ wouldn't say the shakespearian nothing, though`
`23:54.51`	`Dave`	`open tupperware.`
`23:55.05`	`Dave`	`haha shakespearean`
`23:55.06`	`johngay`	`android supposedly 'just works', don't pay any attention to the security expert who found out-dated expliotable libs on it.`
`23:55.36`	`[Rui]`	`shakespearEan, yes :)`
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`23:56.47`	`johngay`	`Hey raster, hows business?`
`23:57.08`	`raster`	`pants!`
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`23:57.50`	`CVirus`	`you're dealing in pants ?`
`23:57.54`	`johngay`	`Sorry to hear that.`
`23:58.03`	`raster`	`pants are good`
`23:58.18`	`raster`	`they keep you covered`
`23:58.22`	`gurugentoo`	`jeans or otherwise?`
`23:58.28`	`CVirus`	`LOL`
`23:58.31`	`raster`	`jeans`
`23:58.51`	`Dave`	`what?`
`23:59.06`	`johngay`	`Culture difference??? I thought pants meant poor.`
`23:59.12`	`raster`	`hmm`
`23:59.12`	`Dave`	`haha`
`23:59.14`	`Dave`	`no`
`23:59.21`	`Dave`	`he's just telling you to take off your pants?`
`23:59.25`	`Dave`	`runs`
`23:59.25`	`raster`	`pants are stuff that coveres your legs and bum`
`23:59.34`	`raster`	`god no`
`23:59.36`	`raster`	`pants on!`
`23:59.43`	`Dave`	`is that like spot on?`

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