| 00:00.10 | raster | thats because it has to go via a "repaint" path |
| 00:00.18 | raster | for evas that is the ONLY path |
| 00:00.25 | raster | as it has a generic engine that does anything |
| 00:00.36 | raster | it doesnt special-case motion vectors being homogenous |
| 00:00.47 | raster | i did originally plan on having it do motion vector detection |
| 00:00.58 | raster | and convert those to xcopyarea's (hw blits) |
| 00:01.04 | Dave | but currently it does not |
| 00:01.07 | Dave | I see |
| 00:01.19 | raster | but over time i noted that that becomes increasingly less likely to be an optimised path as u let artists/themers do mroe fun stuff |
| 00:01.22 | Dave | yeah that sounds like it would surely alleviate my anger somewhat :) |
| 00:01.26 | raster | also hardware gets faster efery month |
| 00:01.31 | Dave | yeah, true |
| 00:01.33 | Dave | haha |
| 00:01.33 | raster | and repaints just are blindingly fast on modern systems |
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| 00:01.46 | raster | so its spending code on something that is likely to die away anyway |
| 00:01.49 | raster | be used less over time |
| 00:01.49 | Dave | unlike the freerunner hardware? |
| 00:01.55 | Dave | yeah, true true |
| 00:01.56 | Dave | :) |
| 00:02.16 | raster | and only works if you design your ui look and behaviro to work with it |
| 00:02.24 | raster | also i wrote code to do the detection and its not cheap |
| 00:02.43 | raster | as u need to have a full logic rect engine following the objetc rects and their motion vector paths |
| 00:02.51 | raster | if they all have the same motion vector |
| 00:03.01 | raster | then u can compute a blit region vs a redraw region |
| 00:03.25 | raster | butu need to delete the "if they did any changes other than move" from the rectlist |
| 00:03.32 | raster | and handle clipping and the rets |
| 00:03.51 | raster | the code i have to do that is fairly hefty and i was dubious if in the end it actualyl will speed thnigs up |
| 00:04.21 | raster | now the big problem here is |
| 00:04.28 | raster | normally on an "old embedde device" |
| 00:04.30 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:04.31 | raster | like a freerunenr |
| 00:04.34 | raster | the fb would be a dumb fb |
| 00:04.36 | raster | like gta01 |
| 00:04.42 | raster | and that means a redraw is not bad |
| 00:04.50 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:04.54 | raster | as u have full memory bandwidth for the update copy |
| 00:05.09 | raster | that is why efl stuff runs faster on a gta01 |
| 00:05.17 | raster | despite a much lower clock |
| 00:05.18 | Dave | haha |
| 00:05.21 | Dave | right :) |
| 00:05.23 | raster | (almsot half the speed) |
| 00:05.23 | Dave | silliness |
| 00:05.37 | raster | the problme is glamo cant accelerate everything efl uses in xrender |
| 00:05.44 | raster | so it'd fall back to software fallbacks for many things |
| 00:05.48 | raster | and... |
| 00:05.55 | raster | that would result in less speed than u see now |
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| 00:06.31 | raster | also the thnigs that glamo can accelerate are problematic with limitations |
| 00:06.48 | raster | (eg max surface size is 640x640) |
| 00:07.08 | raster | and thngs that glamo can't do (cant render TO an ARGB destination. destination is only 16bitrgb565) |
| 00:07.33 | raster | if glamo did argb32 destination rendering |
| 00:07.49 | raster | the 640x640 limti could be overcome with complicated software tiling of pixmaps |
| 00:08.22 | Dave | oh god, what a wonder that would bring |
| 00:08.32 | Dave | poor glamo :( |
| 00:09.09 | raster | also doesnt do non-90 degree rotatiosn (transforms) for 2d |
| 00:09.20 | raster | i looked into usign the 3d engne to do this |
| 00:09.22 | raster | and gave up there |
| 00:09.27 | raster | its even nastier |
| 00:10.17 | Dave | geeze, well, good call then. |
| 00:11.58 | raster | so basically in the end |
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| 00:13.03 | raster | efl on my 312mhz treo650 with 32m ram and no gfx accel |
| 00:13.07 | raster | is fairly smooth with scrolling |
| 00:13.11 | Dave | damn |
| 00:13.18 | raster | with incredibly fancy setups |
| 00:13.25 | raster | but it sucks on the FR |
| 00:13.27 | Dave | Ah, heh |
| 00:13.33 | Dave | I can see that, once again. :( |
| 00:14.19 | raster | i can explain all the nitty details any time - i know just whats up |
| 00:14.25 | raster | gta03 will make it much better |
| 00:14.37 | raster | and if u do gfx accel the lesson to learn for om is |
| 00:14.43 | raster | choose your gfx accel wisely |
| 00:14.45 | raster | very wisely |
| 00:14.50 | Dave | well yeah |
| 00:14.56 | Dave | hahaha, in fact, raster |
| 00:15.05 | raster | make sure that your ui / gfx ambitions match with everything the gfx chip does |
| 00:15.10 | raster | if the chi pdoesnt do it |
| 00:15.12 | raster | find another |
| 00:15.15 | raster | or dont bother |
| 00:15.20 | Dave | Everytime this point comes up, it reminds me of that scene at the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade |
| 00:15.31 | Dave | Where the knight says, "You have chosen unwisely..." |
| 00:15.44 | raster | get more horsepower (ddr vs sdr, use a cortex arm and add the simd arm into the software gfx engines.... i need to do this actually) |
| 00:15.44 | Dave | and OM is the nazi guy, who gets his face melted off :) |
| 00:15.54 | raster | hahahhahaa |
| 00:16.07 | Dave | Sometimes I picture Sean as the Nazi guy there. |
| 00:16.14 | Dave | :\ |
| 00:16.19 | raster | glamo had its merits |
| 00:16.21 | raster | it solved things |
| 00:16.25 | Dave | True, true. |
| 00:16.31 | raster | but betwene a rock and a hard place it ended up a bad choice |
| 00:16.32 | Dave | Though clearly your point is very well taken. |
| 00:16.34 | raster | and a time-sink |
| 00:16.39 | Dave | no kidding :( |
| 00:16.53 | raster | peoelp are still fixing glamo issues (like power consumption, sdio performance and stability) |
| 00:17.02 | raster | not even worrying about the complicated stuff - like gfx accel |
| 00:17.02 | Dave | geeze |
| 00:17.11 | raster | the basic core thigns are still getting fixes |
| 00:17.18 | raster | the problem was wifi |
| 00:17.24 | raster | without wifi u could have lived withotu glamo |
| 00:17.31 | raster | lack of a 2nd sdio line was the problem |
| 00:17.35 | Dave | yeah, I remember :( |
| 00:17.42 | raster | of course a change of SCO would sovle that too to one with more sdio's |
| 00:17.46 | raster | :) |
| 00:18.01 | raster | aaaaanyway |
| 00:18.04 | Dave | right |
| 00:18.05 | raster | water under the bridge |
| 00:18.11 | Dave | enough daydreaming :) |
| 00:18.13 | raster | the solution partly for fr is to avoid scrolling |
| 00:18.19 | Dave | haha |
| 00:18.19 | raster | or scroll very small bits of the screen |
| 00:18.22 | Dave | I guess |
| 00:18.29 | Dave | or better yet, swap screens |
| 00:18.34 | Dave | as in screen-by-screen scrolling. |
| 00:18.41 | raster | or... don't use efl and dont have ambitions of a ui anything beyond bare basics |
| 00:18.43 | Dave | it doesn't need to be really fancy, but rather functional! |
| 00:18.45 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 00:20.29 | raster | yeah |
| 00:20.34 | raster | solution is "pagination" |
| 00:20.39 | raster | turn things into pages |
| 00:20.45 | raster | and then just flip next/prev page |
| 00:20.59 | raster | i'll add that to elementary sometime soon |
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| 00:21.27 | Dave | right |
| 00:21.32 | Dave | Thanks :) |
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| 00:29.29 | gurugentoo | raster: I want your monitor 1920x1200...drool... |
| 00:30.11 | raster | gurugentoo: thats actually just the main monitor |
| 00:30.25 | raster | my 2nd mon is 21" 1600x1200 |
| 00:30.35 | raster | i amout of dvi/vga out's |
| 00:30.38 | raster | only have 2 |
| 00:30.48 | raster | so i cant hook up the 1280x1024 i have in a cupboard |
| 00:31.01 | raster | but it is a nice screen |
| 00:31.04 | raster | but too low res |
| 00:31.09 | raster | a 30" is very tempting |
| 00:31.13 | raster | i need more pixels |
| 00:31.13 | gurugentoo | I only have a 1680x1050 and 1280x1024 |
| 00:31.31 | _charly_ | hi :) |
| 00:31.36 | gurugentoo | and the backlight on the latter flickers |
| 00:31.45 | gurugentoo | sad day :/ |
| 00:31.48 | raster | 3520x1200 worth of screen isnt enough |
| 00:31.59 | gurugentoo | really now... |
| 00:32.05 | raster | it isnt! |
| 00:32.12 | Dave | haha |
| 00:32.34 | gurugentoo | where I used to work this doctor had dual 30" apple displays |
| 00:32.36 | Dave | I told you he was crazy! |
| 00:32.46 | gurugentoo | and he wasn't even using them |
| 00:32.55 | Dave | guru - most people don't :P |
| 00:33.03 | gurugentoo | I wanted so badly to steal one |
| 00:33.21 | Dave | haha, yeah... he wouldn't miss it :P |
| 00:33.43 | fredrin | raster: you've been living too long in Japan, alt+tab still rules, hehe |
| 00:33.46 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/desk-02.jpg |
| 00:33.47 | raster | see |
| 00:33.51 | raster | both screens full of stuff |
| 00:33.55 | raster | need more space |
| 00:34.27 | gurugentoo | cool case |
| 00:34.28 | fredrin | in Argentina CRT is still common :) |
| 00:34.41 | gurugentoo | fredrin: want mine? |
| 00:34.42 | Dave | :D |
| 00:34.42 | gurugentoo | hehe |
| 00:34.55 | raster | i have toi say |
| 00:34.59 | Dave | many of us need another table just for our CRT monitor :) |
| 00:35.02 | raster | dells' 27" i got is gorgeous |
| 00:35.11 | raster | the aluminium and shit black glass is sexy |
| 00:35.11 | Dave | TFT? |
| 00:35.16 | Dave | haha |
| 00:35.19 | Dave | raster - whore :p |
| 00:35.20 | raster | yes |
| 00:35.34 | raster | its just "Sex on a stick" |
| 00:35.42 | raster | the 30" models just were not as sexy |
| 00:35.46 | Dave | haha, I knew you were going to say that |
| 00:35.49 | raster | tho with more pixels |
| 00:35.50 | Dave | :) |
| 00:35.53 | fredrin | I'll do fine with my laptop, don't like external monitors |
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| 00:38.50 | raster | fed really? |
| 00:38.51 | raster | wow! |
| 00:39.07 | raster | i have spent too long starign at tiny laptop screens longn for a real mouse, keyboard and big screen |
| 00:39.14 | raster | for a while i was living on my laptop |
| 00:39.21 | raster | but then i just got fed up with it all |
| 00:40.37 | Dave | well, certainly, for someone who travels often... |
| 00:40.51 | Dave | You can't exactly take those sweet dells on the plane with you ;) |
| 00:42.04 | raster | no :( |
| 00:42.19 | Dave | right |
| 00:43.07 | raster | they also are hard enough to cart around |
| 00:43.20 | raster | due to weight |
| 00:45.00 | gurugentoo | there is a big difference in weight between makers I've noticed, my BenQ is an easy one-hander |
| 00:47.01 | TehZorroness | brb |
| 00:47.52 | Dave | raster - yeah |
| 00:48.11 | Dave | that's one thing which impressed yet amused me about those larger dell displays |
| 00:48.14 | Dave | though all of this makes sense |
| 00:48.24 | Dave | is usually the stand can be equal or more than the actual display |
| 00:48.34 | Dave | (though this can typically be explained by simple physics) :p |
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| 00:50.59 | Kensan | raster showing off his rig? |
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| 00:52.17 | raster | Kensan: my rack! :) |
| 00:52.46 | raster | Dave: yeah. need the stand to make sure the thing stays where its meant to be on the desk! |
| 00:52.53 | raster | hmmmm |
| 00:52.56 | Kensan | raster: heh that's a comment I expected from Dave. |
| 00:53.00 | raster | oe doesnt support many locales |
| 00:53.48 | Dave | :) |
| 00:53.55 | Dave | Kensan, yeah :) |
| 00:53.57 | Dave | He stole my line. |
| 00:54.41 | Kensan | oh, did you guys read harald's blog post about nand? |
| 00:54.55 | Kensan | He says the 6410 has the same issue. |
| 00:55.04 | Kensan | bye bye gta03... |
| 00:55.06 | gurugentoo | how often is the E build broken? haven't tried it in a while |
| 00:56.51 | Kensan | that's quite sad. |
| 00:56.51 | _charly_ | is just ordering an openmoko coffee mug :) |
| 00:57.05 | Kensan | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2008/10/27/#20081027-nand_speed |
| 00:57.47 | Dave | haha |
| 00:57.53 | Dave | oh snap |
| 00:58.36 | Kensan | so IO is and is not the issue at the same time :( |
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| 00:59.54 | Dave | wtf? |
| 01:00.51 | Kensan | oh well time to get some sleep anyway |
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| 01:03.15 | raster | Kensan: i'll give my samsung insiders a ping and see if there is a solution :) |
| 01:03.56 | raster | pinged |
| 01:04.05 | raster | lets see if they have a solution of their own |
| 01:04.14 | raster | i'll be getting a 6410 soon to toy with |
| 01:04.45 | parodyoflanguage | <raster> http://www.rasterman.com/files/desk-02.jpg <-- LOL. "Must need more info!" :) |
| 01:04.47 | Dave | :\ |
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| 01:06.31 | Dave | How depressing, but not entirely surprising. |
| 01:07.29 | raster | parodyoflanguage: neeeedd moooooororee pixxxxeeellslszzzzz |
| 01:07.43 | raster | Dave: damsugn does have generic memory -> memory dma |
| 01:07.51 | raster | and dma for a bunch of things |
| 01:07.53 | raster | last i saw |
| 01:07.57 | raster | there must be a solution |
| 01:08.02 | Dave | :\ |
| 01:08.18 | parodyoflanguage | raster: I think you're into "moar" territory now :) |
| 01:08.44 | bricode | Wow. That's sucky. |
| 01:09.00 | Dave | No kidding. |
| 01:09.18 | bricode | Anyone here use thumb instructions/thumb interworking in their images? |
| 01:10.24 | Kensan | raster: ok, it's good to have people on the "inside" ;) |
| 01:10.53 | Kensan | bricode: there were some commits to openembedded lately... I forgot who it was, maybe Koen. |
| 01:10.55 | raster | bricode: hmm why use them? |
| 01:11.13 | Kensan | raster: are you getting an eval-board? |
| 01:11.13 | raster | i'm not sure there is a real benefit in reality if u wisht o handle multipel architectures |
| 01:11.21 | bricode | raster: better code density. |
| 01:11.21 | raster | Kensan: no idea what i'll be getting |
| 01:11.30 | raster | but it'll invovle a 6410 |
| 01:11.31 | raster | :) |
| 01:11.36 | raster | bricode: not sure thats a big factor |
| 01:11.37 | Dave | hah! |
| 01:11.42 | bricode | not sure what impact that actually has on RAM usage. |
| 01:11.50 | raster | more coide density - sure, but less functionality per instruction too |
| 01:12.12 | raster | i am unsure it makes a big impact on devices with like 32,64 or 128m ram |
| 01:12.27 | Dave | treo :) |
| 01:13.03 | Kensan | bricode: is it to help keep caches hot? |
| 01:13.09 | SpeedEvil | It also impacts cache usage. |
| 01:13.16 | SpeedEvil | Smaller code, more in cache |
| 01:13.34 | bricode | More stuff in NAND. |
| 01:13.41 | bricode | Not that 256 MB is small. |
| 01:13.46 | SpeedEvil | Brinky: assuming uncompressed images |
| 01:13.51 | Kensan | raster: are you unsure or can you neither deny nor confirm that you are working on a super-secret new gadget? |
| 01:14.29 | raster | Kensan: i am unsure. u'll know whyen i have it in my hands |
| 01:14.35 | Dave | covert new gang recruiting! |
| 01:14.36 | raster | but i know it'l lbe 6410 |
| 01:14.43 | Kensan | raster: hehe got it. |
| 01:14.47 | raster | sped sure. |
| 01:15.04 | SpeedEvil | Neat. |
| 01:15.11 | raster | SpeedEvil: sure. indeed. though its only useful to us if its a compiler optimisation "ie use thumb instr if possible" |
| 01:15.16 | raster | i actually never looked at thumb stuff |
| 01:15.18 | Kensan | raster: it has hw-crypto which has caught my eye ;) |
| 01:15.21 | raster | ddo u need to go in a separate mode |
| 01:15.22 | chi | no '/' on 2007.2 keyboard? |
| 01:15.25 | raster | ie enter thumb mode? |
| 01:15.39 | raster | all i know is its a cut down instr set with shorter opcodes |
| 01:15.40 | SpeedEvil | raster: of course. hand-optimisation is only rarely useful. |
| 01:15.47 | chi | or am i just not finding it? |
| 01:16.13 | raster | SpeedEvil: the only arm stuff i am interested in right now is cortex and the 128bit simd stuff.. thats worth some effort :) |
| 01:16.23 | bricode | It seems like a lot of instructions have a thumb analog. |
| 01:16.24 | Kensan | raster: go pandora! |
| 01:16.31 | Dave | use the other keyboard |
| 01:16.42 | bricode | I mean, how many bits do you need to represent add r1, r2? |
| 01:16.49 | Dave | haha |
| 01:17.33 | raster | Kensan: that will also be coming :) |
| 01:17.45 | Dave | :D |
| 01:18.20 | chi | i only see one keyboard so far heh |
| 01:19.10 | Kensan | raster: also? hm now you got me curious |
| 01:20.35 | Kensan | bricode: do you think the optimisation will be big enough to have an impact on runtime performance? |
| 01:20.55 | Dave | chi, matchbox? |
| 01:21.08 | Dave | if you're using 2008, I think it's still used? |
| 01:21.15 | chi | i just opened the box |
| 01:21.20 | chi | completely default |
| 01:21.21 | Dave | Ah! :D |
| 01:21.22 | bricode | Kensan: Don't know. Haven't done a whole lot of reading on the impack that is has on runtime. |
| 01:21.23 | Kensan | bricode: ram/space does not seem to be an issue, plus with the info from harald's latest blog post it seems that io from/to nand is hogging the cpu... |
| 01:21.27 | Dave | Then you're screwed :D |
| 01:21.29 | chi | it looks like 2007.2 i think |
| 01:21.34 | chi | woo |
| 01:21.37 | bricode | All I know if you get ~40% greater code density (depending on the code type). |
| 01:21.39 | Dave | at least there is no / in the multitap-pad in the terminal |
| 01:21.40 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:21.51 | Dave | unless you wish to use the workaround I came up with |
| 01:21.59 | chi | is there another option besides the mulititap? |
| 01:22.00 | Kensan | bricode: ah ic. It might be worth asking in #oe |
| 01:22.05 | bricode | Kensan: Well, if you're b/w bound, wouldn't it be better to have a smaller code size? |
| 01:22.06 | chi | Dave, what is it? |
| 01:22.17 | Kensan | bricode: I saw some commits. |
| 01:22.25 | Dave | open openmoko-browser2 (the web browser), then use 0 to get a / then switch back to openmoko-terminal2 then hit paste :P |
| 01:22.34 | Kensan | bricode: yeah, that was a silly statement. |
| 01:22.37 | Dave | haha, it's definitely annoying, hence I'd suggest updating to something more usable :) |
| 01:22.46 | Dave | And yes, it is certainly 2007.2 :) |
| 01:22.49 | gurugentoo | Dave: wow hadn't thought of that |
| 01:22.56 | chi | no browser on it either =P |
| 01:23.10 | chi | Dave, i will as soon as i can ssh in |
| 01:23.16 | chi | was hopeing i could just use the wifi |
| 01:23.28 | Kensan | bricode: for GTA02 it means no IO at all not because IO is slow but because CPU will be at 100% :( |
| 01:23.29 | chi | looks like i will have to use the usb after all =P |
| 01:23.31 | Dave | guru, that's what I did, before I installed matchbox :P |
| 01:23.37 | Dave | chi, yeah there is |
| 01:23.43 | Dave | go to the Applications menu |
| 01:23.55 | gurugentoo | Dave: I just flashed 2008.8 immediately |
| 01:24.01 | chi | Dave, you mean the + right? |
| 01:24.02 | Dave | gurugentoo, perhaps a good idea :P |
| 01:24.05 | Dave | Chi, yes :) |
| 01:24.19 | Dave | scroll down, it should be at the bottom |
| 01:24.27 | Dave | guru, how much sanity did that save you? |
| 01:24.29 | bricode | Kensan: But CPU is maxed because it is doing I/O. |
| 01:24.29 | Dave | In the end? :D |
| 01:24.30 | chi | there are only 5 items contacts,dialer,messages,take screenshot, and terminal |
| 01:24.44 | Dave | chi, change the filter at the top to 'Applications' |
| 01:24.46 | Dave | instead of PIM |
| 01:25.03 | raster | Kensan: i have a pandora on order |
| 01:25.07 | raster | i got in before the rush |
| 01:25.14 | raster | and the 6410 thing is a separate matter |
| 01:25.17 | raster | both are gl-es2.0 |
| 01:25.19 | Kensan | bricode: yeah, that's what I was trying to say. |
| 01:25.20 | Dave | hot shit |
| 01:25.23 | Dave | :) |
| 01:25.24 | raster | and both will have working libs |
| 01:25.29 | Dave | raster, hahaha |
| 01:25.36 | Dave | Are you going to install illume on it? |
| 01:25.41 | Kensan | bricode: it seems that pb is doing thumb work judging by the commit messages. |
| 01:25.44 | chi | maybe it doesn't work becuse i don't have a sim in it yet? it just says registering at the top heh |
| 01:25.53 | Dave | That's independent |
| 01:25.54 | Kensan | bricode: he lurkes around here and oe. |
| 01:26.05 | bricode | Kensan: Cool. |
| 01:26.07 | Kensan | raster: I have on on order too |
| 01:26.28 | Dave | Chi - it's fun to fuck around with for the first five minutes or so, but soon you should really update to something more usable :) |
| 01:26.40 | chi | that is my plan Dave =P |
| 01:26.43 | Dave | so maybe first find out how crippled it really is, then update and get a little relief :P |
| 01:26.46 | Dave | :D |
| 01:26.46 | raster | Dave: of coruse i am |
| 01:26.52 | Dave | hah, excellent |
| 01:26.54 | raster | i got the panny to have a "high end soc" dev platform |
| 01:26.58 | Dave | Raster, a worth addition to the gang :) |
| 01:27.04 | raster | somethnig with gl-es i can toy with |
| 01:27.11 | Dave | worthy |
| 01:27.17 | raster | since i ordered it another thnig cam on my plate with the 6410 |
| 01:27.19 | Dave | Raster, let me know how it turns out. |
| 01:27.21 | raster | which is also gles |
| 01:27.31 | raster | and give or take similar to the omap 35xx |
| 01:27.33 | chi | will not having a sim cause issues during a flash? |
| 01:27.45 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:27.45 | raster | tho omap has the edge for being cortex |
| 01:27.45 | Dave | chi - no |
| 01:27.56 | Kensan | raster: "I got the panny" ? |
| 01:27.57 | Dave | omap yay |
| 01:28.00 | Dave | Pandora |
| 01:28.03 | Kensan | could somebody translate? |
| 01:28.09 | Dave | I HAVE TRANSLATED |
| 01:28.17 | raster | Kensan: "i got the pandora" |
| 01:28.29 | Kensan | bangs head on table |
| 01:28.32 | Dave | :p |
| 01:28.34 | Dave | heehee |
| 01:28.35 | raster | i just call it panny |
| 01:28.41 | raster | like i call enlightenment e |
| 01:28.43 | raster | less typing |
| 01:28.43 | raster | :) |
| 01:29.14 | Kensan | Best line from worst movie:"No more drugs for that man". |
| 01:29.23 | Kensan | I should be heading for bed. |
| 01:29.30 | Kensan | ponders other excuses |
| 01:29.45 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 01:29.53 | raster | woot |
| 01:29.56 | raster | ok |
| 01:29.59 | Dave | sends Kensan SIGTRANQ |
| 01:30.27 | Kensan | raster: no wonder CPU is always at 100% in all those bootcharts. |
| 01:30.51 | raster | gta02 refleashed with updated image |
| 01:30.53 | raster | now treo |
| 01:30.58 | Dave | Hooray! |
| 01:31.12 | Kensan | raster: did you redo the patches etc? |
| 01:31.15 | parodyoflanguage | less typing = fewer typos |
| 01:31.18 | SpeedEvil | raster: cortex is fun. /me is trying to get stuff ready for sale with it |
| 01:31.21 | parodyoflanguage | :D |
| 01:31.23 | raster | Kensan: no - i only updates to major efl/e changes in svn |
| 01:31.28 | raster | eg no more illume packages at all |
| 01:31.41 | Kensan | raster: right. Just so I know if I have to rebase patches. |
| 01:31.47 | raster | SpeedEvil: oh really? for who? |
| 01:31.53 | raster | SpeedEvil: and on paper it loosk good |
| 01:32.00 | SpeedEvil | raster: me |
| 01:32.01 | raster | the arm11 simd stuf was too weak imho |
| 01:32.04 | raster | it was a lame attempt |
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| 01:32.12 | raster | SpeedEvil: sale of what? |
| 01:32.18 | SpeedEvil | raster: I'm trying to sell a number of things based on one design on ebay. |
| 01:32.24 | raster | aaah |
| 01:32.35 | raster | whats your base omap board? |
| 01:32.37 | raster | beagle? |
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| 01:32.52 | jadams | hey hey hey |
| 01:32.55 | SpeedEvil | raster: no - little board probably 2*2cm. |
| 01:32.59 | SpeedEvil | raster: custom |
| 01:33.08 | raster | SpeedEvil: ooh u did the design yourself? |
| 01:33.21 | SpeedEvil | raster: in the process of finalising it ATM. PMU problems. |
| 01:33.32 | raster | SpeedEvil: oh cool! |
| 01:33.42 | raster | is it open? :) |
| 01:33.45 | SpeedEvil | raster: I want to be flexible enough not to just have a 3.3V rail for everything. |
| 01:33.51 | SpeedEvil | raster: no - I want to sell it. |
| 01:34.02 | raster | hahaha |
| 01:34.04 | raster | fair enough |
| 01:34.12 | raster | open imho si good enough in software land |
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| 01:34.45 | Dave | jadams! |
| 01:35.04 | jadams | hey hey dave |
| 01:35.11 | jadams | how's it going? |
| 01:35.16 | Dave | Hey Doctor Nick! |
| 01:35.19 | Dave | Eh, slowly :) |
| 01:35.32 | Dave | freerunner is slow, ironically :P |
| 01:35.36 | Dave | performance-wise |
| 01:35.47 | jadams | I installed an ssh client on my android phone today, used vim remotely on it |
| 01:35.52 | SpeedEvil | raster: yeah - teh board is simple enough that it could be cloned 'easily' - the hard part is the initial design and compromises. |
| 01:35.56 | raster | SpeedEvil: does it have gsm? :) |
| 01:35.57 | jadams | that's all I was ever looking for |
| 01:36.13 | jadams | phone + ssh in one package with a workable keyboard |
| 01:36.24 | raster | SpeedEvil: or is it really bare - like just a board - no lcd, no peripherals beyond what omap alreayd has? |
| 01:36.28 | SpeedEvil | raster: yes - in a very limited way - in that one of the products I have is intended to have a GSM module - but it's not a phone. |
| 01:36.44 | jadams | now if someone's app goes down while I'm at dinner, I can calmly fix it from the table....finally. |
| 01:36.44 | SpeedEvil | raster: just a board pretty much - and not OMAP - STM32 |
| 01:36.46 | raster | SpeedEvil: not.. yet! |
| 01:36.50 | raster | :) |
| 01:37.13 | Dave | :p |
| 01:37.14 | SpeedEvil | jadams: 20K RAM - not likely to be putting ssh in it. |
| 01:37.15 | jadams | raster, anything new and exciting happen in the last week? |
| 01:38.06 | jadams | I just want a beagleboard in an enclosure with an LCD and a battery now :) |
| 01:38.19 | jadams | give me tiny commodity hardware running linux, sirs! |
| 01:38.21 | SpeedEvil | jadams: tincantools.com - |
| 01:38.34 | SpeedEvil | jadams: DIP40 FTW |
| 01:39.13 | raster | jadams: hmmm... umm... well e has been cleaned up a lot |
| 01:39.20 | raster | it now offers illume out of the box |
| 01:39.23 | raster | not as an addon module |
| 01:39.31 | raster | as well as all the setup stuff to make it easy |
| 01:39.40 | jadams | coolio |
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| 01:40.05 | Dave | :p |
| 01:41.05 | SpeedEvil | Is there any BT camera support in anything linux? |
| 01:41.11 | SpeedEvil | I've not found anything. |
| 01:41.41 | raster | SpeedEvil: no idea |
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| 01:45.34 | gurugentoo | woot e updated, compiled back in a bit hehe |
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| 01:52.04 | gurugentoo | quite a bit has changed with e |
| 01:52.27 | gurugentoo | I might actually use it now |
| 01:56.09 | raster | yeah |
| 01:56.15 | raster | like u get a startup wizard |
| 01:56.25 | raster | if u rm -rf'd ~/.e/ |
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| 01:56.28 | raster | if u had an old one |
| 01:56.49 | gurugentoo | ya, I did...it was really narrow, was that intentional? |
| 01:56.56 | raster | yeah |
| 01:57.01 | raster | i liked the style that way |
| 01:57.05 | gurugentoo | looked odd |
| 01:57.06 | raster | it doesnt need to be wide |
| 01:57.09 | raster | it just has a list of stuff |
| 01:57.14 | gurugentoo | true |
| 01:57.53 | gurugentoo | I'm impressed with the speed of things |
| 01:58.17 | raster | i'd be shoked if u were not |
| 01:58.22 | raster | shocked |
| 01:58.23 | gurugentoo | hehe |
| 01:58.34 | raster | a mountain of effort has been spent in the efficiency department |
| 01:58.42 | raster | tungin memory usage and speed |
| 01:58.53 | raster | and just designing for it from the ground-up |
| 01:59.04 | raster | but not compromising features/capabilities |
| 01:59.06 | raster | yes |
| 01:59.14 | raster | fluxbox may be a little leaner |
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| 02:03.40 | raster | but it also has a fraction of the features |
| 02:03.41 | Dave | YES |
| 02:04.06 | raster | e's mem footprint is about 3.5m on startup |
| 02:04.09 | raster | varieus of coruse as u do thnigs |
| 02:04.23 | raster | 4-5m when u have filemanager open and viewing lots fo dirs/menus |
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| 02:24.36 | gurugentoo | where is the system tray in E? |
| 02:24.45 | gurugentoo | is there one? |
| 02:25.23 | raster | none |
| 02:25.25 | raster | dont suport it |
| 02:25.38 | raster | systray standard is bad |
| 02:26.08 | gurugentoo | yay skype |
| 02:26.32 | gurugentoo | thought that might be the case |
| 02:27.43 | raster | i wont go itno details |
| 02:27.45 | raster | i have many times |
| 02:27.54 | gurugentoo | no need |
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| 02:42.37 | chi | skype on the neo? |
| 02:42.39 | chi | =o |
| 02:43.46 | gurugentoo | no no, talking about desktop |
| 02:44.03 | chi | oh |
| 02:44.06 | gurugentoo | I kinda would like skype though |
| 02:44.19 | gurugentoo | I paid the $30 for a year |
| 02:44.54 | gurugentoo | I've been looking around for sip->skype gateways and such |
| 02:45.15 | gurugentoo | I should probably just find a pure sip option |
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| 02:49.17 | Dave | :D |
| 02:49.37 | Dave | guru - yes |
| 03:00.45 | raster | hmm |
| 03:00.53 | raster | anyone understand how glibc handles encodings? |
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| 03:05.27 | gurugentoo | do you use get_e.sh to install on FR? |
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| 03:14.20 | Dave | Fxchip :) |
| 03:14.25 | chi | k, all flashed =D |
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| 03:16.57 | chi | oooo |
| 03:16.59 | chi | sexy |
| 03:17.37 | chi | hrm, the screen keeps shutting off |
| 03:17.38 | chi | heh |
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| 03:24.17 | chi | worth every penny =D |
| 03:24.20 | chi | dances |
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| 03:24.46 | slaxxin | There are 11,137 registered users |
| 03:27.00 | chi | hrm, can't seem to find a shift or use CAPS to enter the wifi password |
| 03:28.22 | slaxxin | u can add those if u are using 2007.2 |
| 03:28.34 | slaxxin | i think |
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| 03:31.19 | slaxxin | did u flash? |
| 03:31.32 | chi | i am on 2008.9 |
| 03:31.35 | chi | i just flashed yea |
| 03:31.37 | slaxxin | ok |
| 03:31.39 | nemik | i wish the emulator worked better...this is crazy bad now |
| 03:31.51 | slaxxin | do u see the installer |
| 03:32.18 | nemik | the Makefile? |
| 03:32.24 | slaxxin | if u install illume |
| 03:32.29 | chi | i just changed the passwd to all lower case heh |
| 03:32.40 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.41 | chi | slaxxin, i will install in a moment =P |
| 03:32.46 | chi | sweet |
| 03:33.47 | slaxxin | fdom is loaded with some stuff |
| 03:34.03 | slaxxin | qt extended is very cool |
| 03:34.08 | chi | gah, no spaces either |
| 03:34.55 | slaxxin | u got an 4 gig micro sdcard? |
| 03:35.16 | chi | i thought 2g where as big as the sd cards got |
| 03:35.25 | chi | the others are sdhc or something |
| 03:35.29 | slaxxin | well debian is big |
| 03:35.38 | slaxxin | amn maps are bigger |
| 03:36.02 | chi | illume is a debian derivative? |
| 03:36.10 | chi | i thought it was just a program heh |
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| 03:40.22 | chi | reads up on it |
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| 03:43.34 | Dave | :D |
| 03:44.18 | slaxxin | just use the installer to install the illume keyboard so u will have a good keyboard |
| 03:46.36 | chi | i gotta connect to my network first heeh |
| 03:47.03 | chi | wifi detects but does not want to connect to my wpa |
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| 03:48.48 | AntonTakk | anyone using a recent fso daily? |
| 03:48.52 | AntonTakk | er, testing |
| 03:51.10 | slaxxin | its too easy to bork an installation useing wifi |
| 03:54.10 | chi | i guess i gotta set up the usb networkin then |
| 03:54.30 | chi | runnin out of time tonight though |
| 03:54.31 | chi | =\ |
| 03:58.54 | raster | gurugentoo: get_e.sh for the fr? hell no! well.. unless u have a compiler and full dev suite... |
| 04:00.08 | gurugentoo | would it take long to compile? |
| 04:00.18 | gurugentoo | I have a large sd card |
| 04:01.51 | gurugentoo | it's debian with gcc |
| 04:02.42 | gurugentoo | ya maybe that,s a bad idea |
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| 04:11.54 | wildnux | how do i install ssl for the msn in pidgin? |
| 04:13.07 | raster | grummel: vcompile on the FR? |
| 04:13.11 | raster | no idea |
| 04:13.13 | raster | a long time |
| 04:13.14 | raster | hours |
| 04:13.27 | raster | oe has packages for it |
| 04:13.31 | raster | i maitnain an updatesd set |
| 04:13.39 | gurugentoo | debian? |
| 04:13.40 | raster | in fact i'm updating them now to the latest builds for my illume image |
| 04:13.45 | raster | no |
| 04:13.48 | raster | dbeian is not worht it |
| 04:13.50 | gurugentoo | hehe |
| 04:13.50 | raster | its too fat |
| 04:13.58 | gurugentoo | perhaps |
| 04:14.19 | raster | when debian uses <100m for a full x/gui install like oe does |
| 04:14.22 | raster | let me know :) |
| 04:14.31 | gurugentoo | aight |
| 04:14.49 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.52 | raster | thats an oe build |
| 04:15.00 | raster | including e + illume + x etc. etc. |
| 04:15.09 | raster | no real apps other than terminal and an alarm app |
| 04:15.19 | raster | but debian's base image withotu even x is many times that size |
| 04:15.22 | wildnux | plz help this poor little guy to use msn id from pidgin..... it is aking me to install ssl |
| 04:15.45 | AntonTakk | raster: happen to know if the startup theme from your images would work with a recent fso image? |
| 04:17.17 | raster | AntonTakk: it should |
| 04:17.34 | raster | the illume image is basically the same as fso |
| 04:17.39 | raster | just missing fso packages |
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| 04:17.59 | raster | well frameworkd packages |
| 04:18.14 | AntonTakk | just seems to me that that bouncing yin-yang is an awful waste of resources, and i like the startup theme in your images better |
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| 04:23.52 | raster | AntonTakk: true |
| 04:23.58 | raster | that was a simple replacement of the asu theme |
| 04:23.59 | slaxxin | bright white light that gets brighter |
| 04:24.01 | raster | and throwing images in |
| 04:24.18 | raster | somehtng just to show no we are not 2008.x/asu" |
| 04:25.08 | raster | ok |
| 04:25.19 | raster | how do i enable utf8 locale support for glibc in oe? |
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| 04:35.01 | shaz | hi |
| 04:35.25 | shaz | has anyone tried qemu emulation recently |
| 04:36.00 | shaz | I could not run my local images on it due to inconsistent paths in moko makefile |
| 04:36.06 | shaz | any suggestions??? |
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| 04:56.41 | raster | shaz: no |
| 04:56.49 | raster | but most people wprobab;y run stuff on their FR's |
| 04:56.51 | raster | probably |
| 04:56.53 | raster | i mean |
| 04:56.59 | raster | or just run on nativ x86 to start |
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| 04:59.46 | shaz | raster: I think we dont yet have GTA02 emulation so I was trying the emulation og GTA01 for my students because I am short of devices |
| 05:00.03 | raster | aaah |
| 05:00.24 | raster | it all depends what u are actually doing |
| 05:00.25 | shaz | x86 would not prove to be very motivating for them to do their experiments |
| 05:00.34 | raster | as such development is easier/faster if u do it on x86 (or desktop) |
| 05:00.40 | raster | and fake the screen with xnest/xephyr |
| 05:00.45 | raster | u have much better debug tools |
| 05:00.58 | raster | and compiling + testing cycles are scadloads faster |
| 05:01.21 | shaz | xnest/xephyr .... have'nt gone through them yet. |
| 05:01.28 | raster | u can "fake" the slowness by using a combination of speedstep + cpu throttling |
| 05:01.35 | shaz | Do you really think I should go through it |
| 05:01.36 | raster | thats how i do it |
| 05:01.39 | raster | its a time saver |
| 05:01.48 | raster | its probably the FIRSt port of call |
| 05:01.49 | raster | imho |
| 05:01.52 | raster | not qemu |
| 05:01.58 | gurugentoo | raster: i'm playing with your build again...is opkg usable? it's giving me an error 2 (error parsing config file) |
| 05:02.02 | raster | make your stuff first fit on a small screen |
| 05:02.08 | raster | then make it run ok when the system si slow |
| 05:02.29 | raster | THEN worry about arm and cross-compiling, architecture fun (need to do aligned mem access, char is unsigned etc.) |
| 05:02.43 | raster | gurugentoo: opkg is usable |
| 05:02.55 | raster | i build images whihc are filled by opkg |
| 05:03.58 | shaz | I have ported a few software where I got char signedness right :) Mostly it was getopt() |
| 05:04.17 | shaz | some parse options thingy |
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| 05:05.49 | shaz | raster: I'll follow your instructions for an initial tutorial but if I get stuck then I'll whom to blame :) |
| 05:06.18 | raster | shaz: getopt() shouldnt care about signendness |
| 05:06.23 | raster | the problem is when u do actual math |
| 05:06.29 | raster | like range comparisons |
| 05:06.35 | raster | etc. with chars |
| 05:06.51 | raster | sometimes people do them when they are trying to save space for low-value compute variables |
| 05:07.02 | raster | but seriosuly |
| 05:07.13 | raster | gte going with xenest/xepyr first |
| 05:07.18 | raster | (i suggest xephyr) |
| 05:07.31 | raster | then build a native copy of the wm/desktop apps |
| 05:07.33 | raster | and run them |
| 05:07.51 | raster | (a small script will do to launch xephyr + then run the wm etc. - e17 comes with one that does this for you) |
| 05:08.18 | shaz | it checks for arguments and the switch uses char c for options so there the compiler gets confused with arm and x86 differences |
| 05:08.53 | shaz | I'll start with xepyr on openmoko wiki |
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| 05:23.25 | raster | shaz: for just a comparison the compile wont get confused |
| 05:23.27 | raster | it may complain |
| 05:23.31 | raster | but not get confused |
| 05:23.35 | raster | is c == c2 |
| 05:23.36 | raster | ie |
| 05:23.39 | raster | or strcmp |
| 05:23.42 | raster | it works just fine |
| 05:23.53 | raster | the problem is if u wantto know if it > or < |
| 05:23.56 | raster | and even that is fine |
| 05:24.01 | raster | UNTIL u go beyond ascii |
| 05:24.38 | shaz | maybe it was some other function maybe getparseopt(). I did that stuff a month or two back and now have a patch to handle it :) |
| 05:25.44 | raster | its basicalyl the problem if negatives vs large positives and 2's compliment |
| 05:25.52 | shaz | I just had to replace "char c" with "int c" |
| 05:25.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | utf |
| 05:26.10 | raster | as long as u stay in 0x00 <= val <= 0x7f |
| 05:26.19 | raster | unsigned and signed are the same for all purposes |
| 05:26.34 | raster | (pretty much) |
| 05:26.37 | raster | until u overflow |
| 05:26.40 | raster | or underlfow |
| 05:26.51 | raster | then u are into interpretation fo 2's compliment by the compiler |
| 05:28.28 | shaz | wait ... its too much for me :) Thats too much a punishment for asking to get gta01 or gta02 to run over qemu |
| 05:28.40 | raster | hahahaha |
| 05:28.46 | parodyoflanguage | $499 sounds high for a neo freerunner... |
| 05:29.02 | raster | ChandleWEi: just whip your students if their code doesnt pass -W -Wall -pedantic |
| 05:30.46 | ChandleWEi | raster: I don't know what you say? |
| 05:32.20 | raster | ch sorroy means shaz |
| 05:32.23 | raster | typos :) |
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| 05:32.37 | raster | shaz: just whip your students if their code doesnt pass -W -Wall -pedantic |
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| 05:38.00 | shaz | Ok :) But whose going to whip me |
| 05:38.24 | raster | us |
| 05:38.27 | raster | :) |
| 05:38.38 | cjb_ie | shaz: that depends, how kinky do you want to get... |
| 05:38.41 | raster | u thought we were here to help? |
| 05:38.42 | raster | help no |
| 05:39.02 | raster | we're here just to dish out whippings to unsuspecting innocents :) |
| 05:39.15 | shaz | Is rwhitby around so that I can request him to fix makefile for qemu |
| 05:39.43 | raster | wheels rwhitby back into the closet |
| 05:39.51 | raster | nothing to see here |
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| 05:40.43 | shaz | I am used to whips thats how I got to get going with opensource |
| 05:41.31 | raster | brings out the cat-o-9-tails |
| 05:42.25 | shaz | Oh I love OSS |
| 05:43.13 | shaz | I never meant it was a hackers mess ... |
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| 05:53.44 | hongjiujing | Hi,every one ,i am a gpe fans,i want to port GPE to openmoko.Now i need to programe a disk manager,who can detect udisk ãSD card and power usage!Does anyone have done?I need your help!My email:hongjiujing@126.com!Thanks first! |
| 05:53.44 | hongjiujing | i use QEMU |
| 05:55.00 | hongjiujing | no one ? |
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| 05:55.36 | hongjiujing | anyone can help me ? |
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| 05:58.39 | hongjiujing | anyone can help me for openmoko GPE? |
| 05:58.46 | quickdev | hey |
| 05:59.47 | hongjiujing | hey |
| 06:00.01 | hongjiujing | i am using QEMU for openmoko. |
| 06:00.17 | hongjiujing | bitbake gpe-image to build gpe rootfs |
| 06:00.42 | hongjiujing | ow i need to programe a disk manager,who can detect udisk ãSD card and power usage! |
| 06:00.47 | hongjiujing | now i need to programe a disk manager,who can detect udisk ãSD card and power usage! |
| 06:01.27 | hongjiujing | quickdev,are you here ? |
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| 06:02.05 | hongjiujing | no one can help me ? |
| 06:03.03 | quickdev | hongjiujing, it's not openmoko specifiy, right? Maybe you should ask in a linux channel |
| 06:03.34 | quickdev | hey charlie137 |
| 06:04.13 | shaz | hongjiujing: try the openmoko kernel mailing list |
| 06:04.14 | hongjiujing | o,my god |
| 06:04.23 | hongjiujing | thanks |
| 06:04.40 | hongjiujing | quickdev,where are you from ? |
| 06:05.10 | charlie137 | quickdev: hey |
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| 06:16.01 | AceOfHertz | is there a way to get a more finger friendly keyboard in OM2008, kind of like there was for OM2007? |
| 06:17.32 | quickdev | charlie137, you're developing the opimd, right? :) |
| 06:18.21 | charlie137 | quickdev: yes |
| 06:18.32 | charlie137 | quickdev: but i just port it to the framework |
| 06:18.50 | quickdev | charlie137, I know, I'm following the git log |
| 06:19.11 | quickdev | charlie137, we will integrate it into our shr applications as soon as there's basic functionality available |
| 06:19.35 | charlie137 | ok |
| 06:19.58 | charlie137 | quickdev: but, i won't be able to work on it so much this week |
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| 06:20.20 | charlie137 | quickdev: it already works at least to retrieve the contacts |
| 06:20.37 | charlie137 | you can also add new contacts, but there are some problems |
| 06:21.14 | quickdev | charlie137, no problem, we will wait until you got some basic things working, retrieve/edit/delete, such things |
| 06:21.41 | charlie137 | quickdev: in fact i am looking for some people to start working on it now |
| 06:21.54 | charlie137 | since I am not supposed to work on the framework so much |
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| 06:22.27 | quickdev | charlie137, abraxa, who developed some things is more or less lost? |
| 06:22.42 | charlie137 | no |
| 06:23.03 | charlie137 | Mickey told me he is just busy with his study at the moment |
| 06:23.19 | charlie137 | I really hope he can contribute again to opimd\ |
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| 06:34.59 | quickdev | charlie137, yeah, would be fine |
| 06:37.49 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re8ad25f2e36e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: 'dir' is a builtin in Python, don't shadow it |
| 06:38.22 | quickdev | charlie137, but patches are welcome, right? maybe I'll dig into some code ;) |
| 06:38.59 | charlie137 | quickdev: sure |
| 06:39.19 | charlie137 | quickdev: i suggest you play with the tests in framework/tests/ dir |
| 06:39.25 | charlie137 | in opim.py |
| 06:40.05 | charlie137 | you can easily add some new unit tests |
| 06:40.44 | quickdev | good starting point, thanks |
| 06:50.02 | gurugentoo | which dialer does om2008.* use? |
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| 06:53.56 | quickdev | gurugentoo, afaik qtopia, someone should correct me if I'm wrong |
| 06:54.23 | gurugentoo | thanks |
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| 07:44.54 | shaz | hey guys: Whats the target in moko makefile for creating a uboot? |
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| 07:45.15 | shaz | I did not get any with the image target |
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| 07:48.35 | shaz | I made image for gta01 and I found the uboot image in /home/user/moko/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta02 |
| 07:48.48 | shaz | this is wierd |
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| 07:49.32 | shaz | while the uImage and rootfs are in /home/user/moko/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta01 |
| 07:50.38 | shaz | has anyone lately built images for gta01 with makefile? |
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| 07:57.34 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:59.49 | CVirus | Guten Tag |
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| 09:46.41 | BillyCrook_ | I know much less about cellphone networks and GSM protocol than do I about core linux functionality. Is the GSM radio implemted like a network interface? If so, do ebtables and iptables work with it? |
| 09:47.16 | [df] | if you're using GPRS you mean? |
| 09:47.32 | [df] | I believe it will appear as a ppp interface |
| 09:47.39 | [df] | not actually tried myself though |
| 09:48.18 | BillyCrook_ | no. I actually meant using GSM. If say, I wanted to categorise all radio communication and filter what I allowed, or at least log and analyse it |
| 09:48.47 | pb__ | BillyCrook_: no, you don't have access to the gsm stack at that level. it's all encapsulated in the modem. |
| 09:49.27 | BillyCrook_ | I just woke up, in the middle of the night, with my [samsung] phone making a seriesof transmissions in a rythmic manor that I've never heard it do before. |
| 09:49.47 | BillyCrook_ | I heard them going on the speakers it happened to be near, but it left me thinking WTF is my phone doing at this hour |
| 09:50.05 | cjb_ie | GSM phones do that all the time |
| 09:50.25 | Wonka | BillyCrook_: GSM Location Update |
| 09:50.31 | cjb_ie | every so often they check in with the network 'ditduhduh, ditduhduh' |
| 09:50.34 | BillyCrook_ | no. Not like this. It wasn't moving, and this lasted a good 30 minutes |
| 09:50.45 | BillyCrook_ | i didn't record it, but it wasn't normal |
| 09:50.48 | cjb_ie | a phone call starts with 'ditduhduh, ditduhduh, bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz' |
| 09:50.57 | BillyCrook_ | my phone is nearly always near sopme autio amp that pics up its noises |
| 09:51.13 | BillyCrook_ | and it wasn't receiving a call that ever completed to the statge the phone listed it |
| 09:51.23 | cjb_ie | dunno then. was the operator downloading a firmware update to it, maybe |
| 09:51.30 | [df] | or the feds spying on you! |
| 09:51.36 | cjb_ie | s/download/push/ |
| 09:51.37 | BillyCrook_ | sorry for the typos. over the air firmware update was my first thought |
| 09:51.57 | BillyCrook_ | I DO NOT WANT over the air firmware updates. thx but nothx operator |
| 09:52.46 | BillyCrook_ | this was a regular sequence, eacy cycle maybe 10 seconds long, consisting of a low frequency beeping, then a high, and pauses inbetween |
| 09:53.42 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07stabilization/milestone4 * r133829643175 10framework/framework/persist.py: persist: readd logging |
| 09:53.42 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rb4b1aa607004 10/framework/persist.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
| 09:53.42 | BillyCrook_ | a larger pause after the high, |
| 09:53.43 | cjb_ie | pity you couldn't record the sound |
| 09:54.13 | BillyCrook_ | I an quite familiar with the sequence of clicks that happens when a call is coming in. I don't generally need to wait for the ringtone to pick it up because of that noise |
| 09:54.32 | cjb_ie | good for freaking callers out, that :) |
| 09:55.33 | BillyCrook_ | cjb_ie: no shit. I hit the 'panic button' and my home directory was inaccessible before I was fully awake, so audacity probably would have shit itself |
| 09:57.25 | BillyCrook_ | my city's hacker group is putting together a bunch of ppl that want freerunners, and I'm in, but only if I could control the radio, or at least monitor it. Any luck? |
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| 09:58.51 | BillyCrook_ | (monitor = monitor what my radio is doing, not monitor other ppl's calls) |
| 09:59.57 | cjb_ie | sadly, the gsm bits are essentially a black box encumbered by patents and spectrum regulation |
| 10:00.12 | leinir | BillyCrook_: The problem is that if you had direct access to the GPS chip's internals, the entire system is so badly constructed that you could send a nasty package to the tower and kill the network |
| 10:00.59 | [df] | *or*, if you knew what went on inside, the feds couldn't spy on you |
| 10:01.09 | BillyCrook_ | leinir: well, I could build a pipe bomb, and kill the cell network's president, but I have no intrest in doing that either |
| 10:01.16 | leinir | [df]: Bah, of course they could, you'd just *know* they did it ;) |
| 10:01.22 | [df] | :D |
| 10:01.26 | BillyCrook_ | I don't think anyone's sphying on me. The phone's not transmitting, and its got shit storage |
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| 10:02.07 | BillyCrook_ | I am confident I'd know something was up just because there's no space to store anything on this crap phone I have now, and I can tell when its transmitting |
| 10:02.08 | cjb_ie | BillyCrook_: that you know of ;) |
| 10:02.36 | pb__ | on the plus side, since the gsm stack is corralled in its own little sealed world, the feds couldn't do a great deal to the interesting bits of your FR even if they did end up owning your modem. |
| 10:02.37 | BillyCrook_ | whe it transmits, it creates interference on audio amps that wakes me up at 4:30AM |
| 10:02.50 | leinir | People can spy on me all they want, seriously, if they go looking, they bloody well asked for it ;) |
| 10:03.39 | BillyCrook_ | if the feds were spying on me, I would be most outraged at their wasting tax money. |
| 10:03.57 | BillyCrook_ | I mostly just want to understand and control, completely, my own property. |
| 10:04.15 | BillyCrook_ | I don't let the ISP blackbox my network hardware |
| 10:04.45 | pb__ | BillyCrook_: I think you are out of luck as far as GSM goes. |
| 10:04.54 | pb__ | I don't think there are any GSM implementations that will let you do what you want. |
| 10:04.59 | BillyCrook_ | pb_: any other tech that might> |
| 10:04.59 | leinir | As much as we'd love GSM to be opened, it just won't happen :) |
| 10:05.00 | BillyCrook_ | ? |
| 10:05.07 | leinir | 3G is semi-open... |
| 10:05.28 | mjr | umm, no? |
| 10:05.36 | BillyCrook_ | any chance there'll ever be a 3g openmoko? |
| 10:06.01 | mjr | BillyCrook_, well obviously. If the company doesn't die first. |
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| 10:06.51 | mjr | It's also patented to hell and back, costs a bundle and the chipsets aren't often quite free software friendly. |
| 10:06.52 | sakkara | gta04 may be 3g, gta03 wont... |
| 10:06.53 | BillyCrook_ | heh, best of luck to you guys. I appreciate the project. Just don't have $400 to drop on a phone, when I don't even particularly like using telephones to start with |
| 10:07.19 | Wonka | that's why i want a linux smartphone |
| 10:07.52 | Wonka | my FR is more a GPS device atm. and it will become a device for taking notes, managing appointments, being my alarm clock... |
| 10:08.22 | BillyCrook_ | has anyone at openmoko proposed integrating a pager receiver, and an electrical transmitter disconnect? so the phone could "receive calls" without transmitting |
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| 10:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | sakkara: BZZZ, wrong |
| 10:08.51 | Wonka | if i need to carry some piece of electronics to be able to call someone if i really need to, it should better be able to do other nice stuff too |
| 10:09.00 | leinir | Well... The Freerunner isn't really a phone :) It's an embedded linux computer with accellerometer controls, touch screen input, wifi, a GPS module, and a GSM chip :) |
| 10:09.04 | BillyCrook_ | (while the caller is ringing, a page is sent, and if you "accept the call" the transmitter engages, you join the cell network, and call in to the pbx where the caller's ring is coming from) |
| 10:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | sakkara: actually it's not decided |
| 10:09.47 | Wonka | BillyCrook_: don't think so. pagers are replaced by SMS today. |
| 10:09.49 | BillyCrook_ | leinir: here here. you're the first person other than myself I've heard with that sort of common sense about what those electronic things are we talk into in a long long time |
| 10:10.06 | Wonka | leinir: exactly right |
| 10:10.15 | cjb_ie | BillyCrook_: but who wants to pay for incoming calls? (except north americans) |
| 10:10.27 | BillyCrook_ | Wonka: there are times (military, medical) when transmitting, is not an option |
| 10:10.49 | Wonka | my Siemens S65 cell phone is a pocket watch with alarm clock and calendar, and oh, yes, it can make phone calls too |
| 10:11.05 | BillyCrook_ | cjb_ie: i'm in NA, so I'd pay either way |
| 10:11.21 | cjb_ie | BillyCrook_: right, but most people aren't :p |
| 10:11.38 | BillyCrook_ | the other way this could work is the pbs starts calling you every second while it pages the info to you, so s soon as the cell network has registered, you get the call |
| 10:11.40 | Wonka | BillyCrook_: medical? get that equipment sorted out that gets interfered by GSM - it's too old |
| 10:11.52 | cjb_ie | paying for incoming calls seems to be peculiar to north american cellcos |
| 10:11.55 | BillyCrook_ | Wonka: that means cutting human beings open sometimes |
| 10:12.23 | BillyCrook_ | Wonka: technology shouldn't force arbitrary actions in people. especially putting a knife to someone's chest |
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| 10:13.18 | Wonka | BillyCrook_: urgh. especially heart pacers should not be interfered with by GSM - you just cannot tell that yuppie next to you on the bus to switch his cellphone off... |
| 10:13.38 | BillyCrook_ | cjb_ie: actualy, we don't pay for any calls. We get like a zillion minutes, and we pay for extra minutes so cheaply its really not worth complaining about |
| 10:14.05 | cjb_ie | BillyCrook_: you pay for your zillion minutes as part of the confusopoly though |
| 10:14.25 | BillyCrook_ | pacemakers aren't the only things, butmy point is what's done is done, and nobody's digging open their chest because of it |
| 10:15.10 | BillyCrook_ | cjb_ie: yeah, whatever, I don't care or want to argue about paying for minutes. I speak on my cell and landline a total of like 60 minutes a month and I make enough sallary, so i DO NOT CARE what it costs |
| 10:15.23 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4732 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmhandset.state: Use gsmhandset.state from FDOMizer20081023.tar.gz |
| 10:15.43 | cjb_ie | BillyCrook_: bully for you. many other people on this planet aren't as fortunate :p |
| 10:16.10 | BillyCrook_ | cjb_ie: that's ok, they had the choice to be as fortunate if they worked for a living |
| 10:16.24 | sakkara | ... |
| 10:16.39 | cjb_ie | yes, because jobs are available everywhere. well spotted that man. |
| 10:17.04 | BillyCrook_ | so basically the message I have so far is there is not to date, and will not likely ever exist (because of patents) a phone that lets you control exactly how it communicates with the cell network at an RF packet level) |
| 10:17.05 | mjr | so basically, those zillion minutes that you pay for as part of your plan are useless. Way to go paying for nothing and being happy about it. |
| 10:17.36 | cjb_ie | BillyCrook_: patents, and spectrum / radio licensing restrictions |
| 10:18.05 | mjr | patents aren't really the main issue, rather the latter, yes |
| 10:18.15 | cjb_ie | i.e. the fcc and its equivalent orgs DO NOT WANT gsm radios out there that can operate outside the gsm spec. |
| 10:18.59 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d3fd2febc8b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update openmoko-alsa-scenarios rev. |
| 10:19.33 | BillyCrook_ | yeah. I don't really care what the FCC wants. I don't want to operate outside the spec, unless the spec is flawed or infringes my soverignty. |
| 10:20.28 | BillyCrook_ | alot of really smart people have reverse engineered lesser understood things than GSM, like proprietary hardware drivers with undefined registers and such |
| 10:20.40 | BillyCrook_ | nouveau nvidia driver comes to mind. That works surprisingly well |
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| 10:22.04 | BillyCrook_ | well, thanks for the lovely discussion... It's back to sleep for now unless the phone puts its own battery back in, and starts updating its firmware over the air again. |
| 10:22.15 | cjb_ie | right, and in that case it's quite trivial to find out what register accesses are actually happening. with something like GSM, you've got a microcontroller with its own firmware sitting in between you and the actual radio device. you may have a serial channel or two to the microcontroller, where you only get to 'see' a limited range of registers (which probably aren't even registers on the RF modem) via AT commands |
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| 10:23.46 | cjb_ie | it's an awful lot harder to probe into a black-box piece of silicon, than it is to probe an exposed bus. |
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| 10:29.24 | Mononoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.29 | Mononoke | pardon |
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| 10:29.40 | cjb_ie | Mononoke: http://cjb.ie/irssi.txt may help you |
| 10:29.47 | cjb_ie | assuming you're using irssi |
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| 10:38.55 | sicu | hey! anyone know how i can use osm .bin files with navit and tangoGPS (.bin @ http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ ) |
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| 10:44.04 | dns53 | the info is on the navit wiki on how to create the bin file, then you need to edit the navit config to only contain that bin |
| 10:46.02 | tomboy64 | i just tried to checkout illume from e's repository, an earlier revision. illume has been deleted in the recent revisions. |
| 10:46.11 | tomboy64 | now svn says it can't find illume |
| 10:46.21 | tomboy64 | svn co -r 36514 http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/illume illume |
| 10:46.23 | tomboy64 | svn: »/svn/e/!svn/bc/37267/trunk/illume« Pfad nicht gefunden |
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| 10:51.30 | sicu | dns53: ok thx ... and can i use this .bin file with TangoGPS as well ? |
| 10:51.44 | dns53 | tango gps uses png's |
| 10:52.18 | dns53 | if you want that working on your moko i would load tango on your computer to download all the images you want then copy them to your phone |
| 10:54.03 | sicu | dns53: ok, thought i might get away with having just one set of files ... but guess not |
| 10:54.07 | sicu | thx though =D |
| 10:54.33 | sicu | btw, anyone know how can i unmount /dev/mmcblkp01 when it keeps saying: umount: /media/card: device is busy ? |
| 10:55.16 | dns53 | qpe is using it, stop x if you want to unmount |
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| 13:58.17 | Dave | It's quiet... too quiet... |
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| 14:00.05 | Kensan_ | Dave: psst... you may awaken rasters gang... |
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| 14:07.03 | Zorkman | euhm and like that it works... |
| 14:07.04 | Zorkman | done nothing :) |
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| 14:18.11 | Dave | :) |
| 14:25.43 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 14:25.55 | tomboy64 | how do i make bitbake accept "peg revisions"? |
| 14:26.24 | tomboy64 | e.g. the directory has vanished (raster deleted it) in the current revision but bitbake shall pull it in a earlier revision? |
| 14:26.40 | tomboy64 | in svn this is done by adding @revision to the tree |
| 14:26.54 | tomboy64 | but how can i accomplish this in a .bb file? |
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| 14:29.19 | raster | nb |
| 14:29.24 | raster | illume has moved to e's own trtee |
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| 14:29.29 | raster | no need for an illume package anymore |
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| 14:29.39 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 14:29.40 | raster | e offers illume as a config profile option now |
| 14:29.49 | raster | i've updated my local bb set etc. today |
| 14:30.02 | tomboy64 | shr testing still wants it as a package |
| 14:30.14 | raster | it'll need to change |
| 14:30.23 | tomboy64 | i'm sure of that :-D |
| 14:30.23 | raster | if it wants to follow bleeding edje svn |
| 14:30.30 | raster | or it needs to make use of sane-srcrevs.inc |
| 14:30.37 | raster | and pin the svnrev like i do myself |
| 14:30.40 | raster | and om does |
| 14:30.43 | raster | and oe/fso do |
| 14:30.50 | tomboy64 | well, it will come over time |
| 14:31.11 | tomboy64 | but how can i do a workaround - add sane-svnrevs to inherit? |
| 14:31.15 | tomboy64 | it wants a bbclass |
| 14:32.19 | raster | ummm |
| 14:32.21 | raster | probably |
| 14:32.26 | raster | for the others it sset up by defaulkt |
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| 14:32.50 | raster | os i just adjust the EFL SRVREV whenevr i update to verisy that that svnrev 1. has no bugs, 2. builds, 3. works as intended |
| 14:32.55 | raster | (when u build an image) |
| 14:33.02 | cdrum | hey folks. dumb question. I installed a daily build. What package can I install that gives me "xterm"? Anyone know? |
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| 14:34.48 | d-b | xterm ? |
| 14:35.35 | cdrum | yeah, 2008.8 has it preinstalled |
| 14:35.59 | cdrum | i can install openmoko-terminal2, but that uses a lot of screen real estate |
| 14:36.09 | cdrum | would prefer to use the simple xterm for terminal stuff |
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| 14:37.16 | tomboy64 | cdrum: xterm |
| 14:37.39 | tomboy64 | opkg install xterm |
| 14:38.08 | cdrum | hmm... ok... that's what I originally thought.... guess xterm isn't in the testing repository then |
| 14:38.50 | tomboy64 | huh? |
| 14:39.05 | cdrum | yeah |
| 14:39.12 | cdrum | when i do a opkg install xterm |
| 14:39.13 | cdrum | i get |
| 14:39.20 | cdrum | root@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# opkg install xterm |
| 14:39.20 | cdrum | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
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| 14:39.46 | tomboy64 | yes, you're correct, it isn't |
| 14:39.48 | cdrum | but installing other packages seem to work fine (well, i tested openmoko-terminal2, for example, it downloaded and isntalled) |
| 14:39.56 | tomboy64 | but it's in the stock 2008.8 repo |
| 14:39.58 | tomboy64 | use that |
| 14:40.03 | tomboy64 | that's what i use for 2008.9 |
| 14:40.03 | Kensan_ | tomboy64: use rev=$revid in the SRC_URI |
| 14:41.16 | cdrum | ok thanks, tomboy64 - will do that |
| 14:41.17 | Zorkman | is there something like kmod-cifs (to mount remote windows filesystems available for the FR) ? |
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| 14:43.46 | tomboy64 | Kensan: that's the problem: bitbake can't handle peg-revisions |
| 14:44.54 | Zorkman | anybody still using googlemaps with tangogps? |
| 14:45.02 | Zorkman | the links in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS#Using_Google_Maps_with_tangoGPS don't seem to work anymore |
| 14:47.31 | tomboy64 | hmm |
| 14:47.38 | tomboy64 | Kensan: never mind, it seems to work now |
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| 14:55.40 | CIA-50 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r63ec9fb9ad69 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: openmoko.conf: fix an error in ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND |
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| 14:57.57 | Dave | holy crap |
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| 15:06.21 | toggles_w | Dave:! |
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| 15:08.28 | zash | NINJA |
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| 15:11.00 | prosoft | Hello |
| 15:14.17 | prosoft | I stumbled upon the openmoko via koolu, I was looking but I could not find a rough release date for the GTA03. Is there any idea when the release may be? |
| 15:14.55 | Hire1 | half 2009 |
| 15:15.06 | toggles_w | 1004.5? |
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| 15:16.15 | prosoft | Thanks, another question - Are the older Neo phones still available? The Freerunner costs a bit more then I can afford, and I was hoping to get the Neo and work with that |
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| 15:17.24 | leinir | Hmm... A few people are wanting to get rid of theirs to get a freerunner in stead, try posting that request on the community list :) |
| 15:18.25 | prosoft | Thanks |
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| 15:22.55 | prosoft | I guess the stupid question becomes... given the differences between the two phones, would it be worth trying to help port Android over using a 1973.. Or Should I just wait a couple months to when I could afford a Freerunner |
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| 15:25.36 | pengu1n | moo koo |
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| 15:38.06 | Kensan_ | prosoft: it might be hard finding a Neo1973 since it was only produced in small numbers. |
| 15:38.45 | SpeedEvil | About a couple of thousand. |
| 15:38.58 | Kensan_ | SpeedEvil: afaik around 4000 |
| 15:39.16 | SpeedEvil | I suspect that's of the same order of FRs around |
| 15:40.26 | Kensan_ | SpeedEvil: hm I think they sold more FR's in the meantime since the production is ongoing. |
| 15:40.31 | Dave | throws a snowball at Kensan |
| 15:40.41 | vininim_ | might explain why some distributors are having stock issues. |
| 15:40.50 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * rf112e62e169c 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/ (channel.py unsolicited.py): |
| 15:40.50 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix TI calypso recamping logic (#190) |
| 15:40.50 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: The timer is now removed if we disable GSM resource. |
| 15:40.50 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r1e3c0641e262 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Correctly match on SMS category in RetrieveMessage |
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| 15:40.52 | Kensan_ | catches Dave's snowball and throws it at his Zire's |
| 15:41.06 | Kensan_ | Dave: don't mess with a swiss when it comes to snow |
| 15:41.25 | prosoft | Thanks for the info, I'll be back in an hour, if anyone's on.. I have a couple questions |
| 15:41.32 | Dave | :D |
| 15:41.38 | Dave | nooooooooo my zire army |
| 15:41.49 | Kensan_ | prosoft: you might want to talk to bricode about Android. He's working on the Android port for Koolu |
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| 15:42.27 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: do you have an actual source for either number? |
| 15:43.04 | Kensan_ | SpeedEvil: no, it's numbers I remember "fainlty" from the ML's and irc. so I might be totally wrong *heh* |
| 15:44.26 | bricode | prosoft: You can see updates at forum.koolu.org or at wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android |
| 15:44.58 | wilhelmb | does anyone know how big memorycards neo freerunner can adress? |
| 15:45.20 | Zorkman | 8giga |
| 15:46.06 | Zorkman | bricode: do you have any ETA on a usable, working image? |
| 15:46.07 | bernt | this is for the sdcard inside, but with usb outside it could be more ;-) |
| 15:46.48 | bricode | Zorkman: Still in the thick of things. I expect to have something working before the end of Nov. |
| 15:47.10 | Zorkman | ok, thanks for the info (and the work you're putting into it) |
| 15:47.35 | Dave | :o |
| 15:48.33 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r46fd8ed54877 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:48.33 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' |
| 15:48.34 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: |
| 15:48.34 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py |
| 15:48.34 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: (changed dir -> direction since dir is a python builtin) |
| 15:48.58 | wilhelmb | i want to buy a freerunner, and connect it to a homeserver. so the question is: can i use filesharing over my home-network? |
| 15:49.26 | wilhelmb | with wlan |
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| 15:52.20 | Martix | Zorkman: anybody tested FR with 16GB SD? e.g.: http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(2702)-SDSDQ-016G-A11M-SanDisk_microSDHC_16GB_Card.aspx |
| 15:52.40 | Dave | xora |
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| 15:53.18 | XorA | Dave: what? |
| 15:54.05 | Dave | Hello again |
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| 15:54.40 | XorA | heh, your gonna say that a lot this afteroon :-D |
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| 15:54.58 | Dave | hah! |
| 15:55.14 | XorA | is only getting internet for about 5 mins at a go |
| 15:55.28 | Dave | Seems like :P |
| 15:55.35 | Dave | whee |
| 15:55.36 | Zorkman | Martix: not that i know of |
| 15:57.57 | Kensan_ | wilhelmb: The FR theoretically supports all SDHC cards so up to 32 Gig, but afaik such cards are not available yet. |
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| 16:01.10 | SpeedEvil | You could use a SD-microSD adaptor in principle to test it at the moment - but... |
| 16:01.15 | SpeedEvil | stabs the SD committee |
| 16:01.43 | SpeedEvil | It requires a new standard to go over 32G. Which will hit in maybe 6 months. |
| 16:02.01 | SpeedEvil | It's overwhelmingly likely that >32G will be a simple software mod. |
| 16:02.11 | SpeedEvil | All that'll be needed is a new kernel. |
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| 16:08.52 | PBeck | hallo |
| 16:09.58 | Dave | Greetings |
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| 16:12.56 | Dave | There goes Xora again :) |
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| 16:17.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | hi MrButtle ;-) |
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| 16:18.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | got your 27B-6 ? |
| 16:18.50 | Ke | you terrorists you |
| 16:18.55 | Dave | Hey Joerg :D |
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| 16:20.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: ask MrTuttle to install a bypass in your FR ;-) |
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| 16:22.43 | Dave | :D |
| 16:22.46 | Dave | okay |
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| 16:23.08 | MrTuttle | DocScrutinizer2, this is no recording |
| 16:23.14 | MrTuttle | DocScrutinizer2, thank you for calling central services |
| 16:23.53 | MrTuttle | yeah, witches^H^H^H^t3rror1sts everywhere |
| 16:24.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | MrTuttle: that's Roh's text ;-) |
| 16:24.17 | Dave | :D |
| 16:24.18 | MrTuttle | hehe |
| 16:24.30 | MrTuttle | have to run, c u l8er |
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| 16:26.21 | Zorkman | openmoko-mediaplayer2 is still the version withouth the icons... although there are good icons available.. |
| 16:27.42 | bumbl | Dave: |3 0 |\/| |3 |
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| 16:31.09 | chi | will the neo keep charging when it is suspended on 2008.9? |
| 16:31.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | should |
| 16:32.04 | chi | k |
| 16:32.58 | Dave | :D |
| 16:33.02 | Dave | Hello chi! |
| 16:33.03 | Dave | :D |
| 16:33.13 | chi | hey Dave =D |
| 16:33.20 | Dave | How's it going? :) |
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| 16:33.35 | chi | good good just coding |
| 16:33.38 | chi | how are you? |
| 16:33.44 | Zorkman | any has coherence running on his FR (make it act like a media server, heard it works nicely) |
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| 16:34.04 | Dave | :D |
| 16:34.13 | Dave | watching the surprise snow with awe |
| 16:34.23 | chi | oooo fun |
| 16:34.45 | chi | plan on catching some on your tongue? |
| 16:35.30 | Dave | no... |
| 16:35.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | bah!! |
| 16:35.35 | chi | hehe |
| 16:35.36 | Dave | I did get covered in it once already |
| 16:35.37 | Dave | :p |
| 16:35.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | *hates* snow |
| 16:35.54 | leinir | Covered in it? ;) |
| 16:35.56 | leinir | Sounds kinky ;) |
| 16:36.02 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 16:36.09 | Dave | spanks leinir |
| 16:36.19 | leinir | meeps! :) |
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| 16:37.10 | bumbl | Joerg: bah snow rocks |
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| 16:45.25 | Dave | :D |
| 16:45.38 | Dave | silly xora |
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| 16:47.31 | lindi- | hrm, managed to cause kernel panic by using btscanner from laptop |
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| 16:51.14 | wilhelmb | can i use filesharing over wlan with the freerunner. watch movies, listen to music etc |
| 16:51.17 | wilhelmb | ??? |
| 16:51.28 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes |
| 16:51.43 | SpeedEvil | In practice, not easily with software installed. |
| 16:52.04 | viq | Not with the sucky wireless and sucky graphics chipset performance ;) |
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| 16:52.25 | SpeedEvil | The mp4 decoder should work adequately. |
| 16:52.28 | SpeedEvil | But... |
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| 16:52.39 | SpeedEvil | The software is _really_ not there yet |
| 16:53.14 | prosoft | bricode, still around |
| 16:54.03 | bricode | prosoft: Yep. |
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| 16:55.16 | prosoft | I'm definately not the best coder out there, but I'll help as much as I can right now, though I got some limits to explain |
| 16:56.13 | prosoft | I entered the Marine Corps due to being laid off from my old job where I was training to be a CNC tech and I needed someway to support myself... |
| 16:56.36 | prosoft | My biggest limitation isn't that I'm a Marine - but rather I'm currently at my MOS school |
| 16:56.57 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: which software is not there yet? ;) |
| 16:56.58 | bricode | prosoft: You're looking to help with Android on Freerunner? |
| 16:57.00 | summatusmentis | MOS? |
| 16:57.06 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: just patch mplayer for mpeg decoding? |
| 16:57.16 | prosoft | I won't be able to download anything more then 100mb until I fly up to Wisconsin to see my wife |
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| 16:57.30 | prosoft | bricode: I'm up for doing anything I can to help |
| 16:57.36 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: the graphics 'card' is connected over a 7 meg/second bus. |
| 16:57.45 | SpeedEvil | The card can in principle do mp4 decoding. |
| 16:57.55 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: but with mpeg-4 decoding that should not be a problem |
| 16:58.11 | SpeedEvil | But if you don't use the mp4 decoding, as much of the software doesn't, it's a real bottleneck. |
| 16:58.27 | bricode | prosoft: Well, for the moment, I would recommend waiting to be honest. There are a few major things that need to be ironed out before there's a stable base that is usable to improve. |
| 16:58.31 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, the only software that uses it is a version of mplayer that's been hacked to, and it takes over the whole screen. |
| 16:58.38 | prosoft | But the MOS, (Military Occupational Specialty) school I'm at right now is what's going to limit me for now |
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| 16:58.46 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: sure, but you'll see the movie |
| 16:58.49 | SpeedEvil | However, I haven't really kept up, as I have no FR |
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| 16:59.03 | prosoft | bricode: Ok, sounds good, honestly it's be eaiser for me to wait, like I said, got some limitations.. |
| 16:59.14 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: you of all people didn't buy a freerunner? |
| 16:59.14 | prosoft | Is there anything I should see about getting when I see my wife next weekend? |
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| 16:59.47 | bricode | prosoft: Not really. The source tree for Android is 2.1 GB. |
| 16:59.57 | prosoft | For the most part download wise, we've still got our internet up in Wisconsin, so I can get anything I may need there easily |
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| 17:00.21 | wilhelmb | have anyone tried ubuntu mobile on the freerunner? |
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| 17:00.48 | prosoft | bricode: yeah, that's what got me last night, I was thinking no more then 1 GB.. if there's anything that's needed .. I'm willing to help out the best I can |
| 17:00.57 | lindi- | wilhelmb: does that still use their proprietary launchpad bug reporting system? |
| 17:01.22 | lindi- | prosoft: doind development without internet access is quite difficult |
| 17:01.29 | prosoft | Dec. 11th I get out of here and get to my station which is looking like Camp Lejeune right now.. so just before Christmas and right after I'm free |
| 17:01.38 | bricode | prosoft: Thanks. Good to know. People in the community are still getting the build system stabilized. |
| 17:02.12 | prosoft | I've got the net - but I can only do so much, hence - if there's anything massive I should get, I'll need to get it when I'm up North, I'll probably get Android's sorce for shits and giggles |
| 17:02.17 | prosoft | *source |
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| 17:06.28 | orospakr | hmm, in Qt 4.4.1 on my Neo1973, it seems that the display off setting doesn't do anything. Dim display and full suspend work great, though. |
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| 17:06.40 | lindi- | prosoft: i would fetch debian source and binary archive if i really had to develop this without network access |
| 17:06.58 | prosoft | thank lindi- |
| 17:07.42 | lindi- | (i already keep a local copy of all source code of debian for fast access, hard disks are cheap anyway) |
| 17:08.17 | orospakr | lindi-, that can't be a small amount of data... |
| 17:08.27 | lindi- | orospakr: the sources are less than 30G |
| 17:08.36 | lindi- | so no big deal nowadays |
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| 17:09.03 | orospakr | really? huh! |
| 17:09.15 | orospakr | lindi-, of all the packages in debian's repository? |
| 17:09.27 | lindi- | orospakr: yeah |
| 17:09.33 | prosoft | what's the going price for an hdd now days.. 160GB for $60? Yeah, hdd's are pretty cheap |
| 17:09.42 | lindi- | orospakr: oldstable, stable, testing, unstable |
| 17:09.50 | lindi- | orospakr: seems to be 43G now :) |
| 17:09.51 | Sargun_Screen | hm. |
| 17:10.00 | Sargun_Screen | my boss is buying 3 FRs |
| 17:10.10 | lindi- | orospakr: but it's easy to keep it up-to-date with rsync |
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| 17:10.28 | lindi- | orospakr: i initially started to mirror it since i wanted to run "grep" over the whole archive |
| 17:10.40 | orospakr | hah, that would take a while. ;) |
| 17:10.50 | lindi- | less than a day anyway |
| 17:11.17 | lindi- | orospakr: i can put multiple search terms to the same grep command so that i can queue interesting search terms and then start the grep and look at the results tomorrow |
| 17:11.48 | lindi- | orospakr: for example http://iki.fi/lindi/getenv.png is done with this. it shows what packages use what environment variables |
| 17:13.10 | orospakr | whoa! |
| 17:13.34 | orospakr | that's actually kind of useful, except for the big clusterfuck in the middle. |
| 17:13.47 | orospakr | perhaps if it was searchable? |
| 17:13.56 | lindi- | orospakr: the SVG version is searchable |
| 17:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: use an indexing service (like kerry beagle) to ndex the whole 43GB *once* |
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| 17:14.11 | lindi- | orospakr: http://iki.fi/lindi/getenv.svg |
| 17:14.13 | Sargun_Screen | do you guys think OM is making enough $? |
| 17:14.27 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but it changes all the time and i want to use regular expressions |
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| 17:15.34 | lindi- | orospakr: but yes, i couldn't figure out how to make the middle part easy to read |
| 17:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | ok then, so you'll have to go with grep. maybe use in a FOR loop or a FIND --cmd to parallelize on a multiprocessor CPU |
| 17:16.09 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: the hdd is the bottleneck |
| 17:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | yup, maybe |
| 17:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | so get Urself a raid ;-) |
| 17:16.56 | lindi- | i can wait |
| 17:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 17:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | ot me, have to leave now, for dinner |
| 17:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | s/ot/ok/ |
| 17:17.44 | Martix | DocScrutinizer: or SSD |
| 17:18.18 | Sargun_Screen | dinner? what are you - human? |
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| 17:18.28 | lindi- | Martix: how would ssd help? |
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| 17:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | actually SSD isn't that much higher BW than a good HD |
| 17:18.46 | lindi- | Martix: i am not doing any significant seeking |
| 17:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: exactly |
| 17:19.06 | lindi- | Martix: (i run grep for the tar archive, i don't extract the tar first) |
| 17:19.14 | Sargun_Screen | DocScrutinizer: did you see the intel ssd? |
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| 17:19.17 | Martix | DocScrutinizer: Intel has faster SDD than HDD |
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| 17:19.21 | Sargun_Screen | its fucking amazing... |
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| 17:19.40 | lindi- | Martix: but i'd use multiple HDDs if it really mattered here |
| 17:20.52 | Sargun_Screen | ping. |
| 17:21.12 | Martix | lindi-: DocScrutinizer http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html |
| 17:22.18 | lindi- | Martix: yeah but again in this use it does not matter :) |
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| 17:36.06 | StylusEater | howdy. I've read the freerunner with qtopia is somewhat usable as a day-to-day phone... has anyone in the continental US used it sucessful on a day-to-day basis to place/receive calls? |
| 17:38.27 | [df] | I'm not in the US, but I'd advise you not to buy it with the expectation that you'll be able to use it as your main phone at this point |
| 17:39.39 | StylusEater | [df]: are you aware of estimates (or estimates of estimates ... :-) ) on a time frame for such functionality? |
| 17:39.58 | [df] | no :( |
| 17:40.27 | [df] | some people are using it as their main phone, but it depends on a number of factors - location, provider etc |
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| 17:41.19 | [df] | it's entirely possible that this iteration of the hardware is simply not good enough for general use |
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| 17:41.49 | [df] | that's somewhat pessimistic, but you shouldn't buy the thing with false expectations |
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| 17:43.57 | StylusEater | [df]: I understand. I have a 1973, and it's a tad bit slow. :-) |
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| 17:44.29 | StylusEater | [df]: thanks for the heads up |
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| 17:49.14 | [df] | StylusEater: well I guess you bought the 1973 for a reason? |
| 17:49.42 | lindi- | [df]: i haven't noticed any real hardware issues |
| 17:50.00 | lindi- | [df]: mostly i'm bit surprised by openmomo inc.'s software develoment decisions |
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| 17:50.17 | [df] | well it's hard to say what is a hardware issue tbh |
| 17:50.31 | [df] | mine's currently not really useable for calls because of the gsm buzz |
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| 18:12.13 | prosoft | I was reading about the gsm buzz... no luck on fixing it? On the bug report there were a few different things that some people were able to do to fix the issue, or at least help it |
| 18:12.17 | prosoft | sorry.. that was for [df] |
| 18:12.33 | [df] | not so far |
| 18:12.47 | [df] | I have found that it depends on how I hold the phone |
| 18:13.01 | [df] | if I hold it with two fingers from the top and bottom it goes away |
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| 18:13.41 | [df] | I've thought of trying a bluetooth headset but the reports I've heard of them are not goodd |
| 18:13.42 | prosoft | heh, I find the same thing with my Nokia phone - except the if I hold it on the bottom with two fingers I get just enough signal to talk to my wife |
| 18:13.52 | [df] | heh |
| 18:14.33 | prosoft | I'm tempted to get one honestly, but $400 is pushing it.. especially when I've got more important things to get that work |
| 18:14.35 | [df] | my nokia either works or it doesn't though |
| 18:14.47 | [df] | maybe that's the issue |
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| 18:15.33 | [df] | well, I have a freerunner because I believe in what OM are doing |
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| 18:15.58 | [df] | and I couldn't bring myself to buy something like an iphone because I don't want a computer that I'm not in control of |
| 18:16.20 | GNUtoo | hello, is it possible to force udhcpc to be the default dhcp client in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 18:16.51 | prosoft | The only reason I'd get a Freerunner would be because I believe in what they're doing.. but for something that may not be usable for me - Newly married - I've got a couple more important things to spend money on, like a bed :D |
| 18:17.15 | [df] | GNUtoo: I guess you could uninstall other dhcp clients? |
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| 18:17.57 | [df] | prosoft: sure, makes sense |
| 18:18.23 | [df] | I think if people buy the fr expecting it to be a working phone it will only damage the cause tbh |
| 18:18.51 | prosoft | I know better then expect it to be perfect - honestly, what would stop me from buying it right now is the noise problem.. |
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| 18:19.42 | prosoft | I want something that I can tinker on and help other fix, this would be a perfect project to work on for me, partly because I need a new cell phone - which would only make it a big plus if I could at least hack it together to allow me to call people |
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| 18:20.12 | GNUtoo | [df], good idea i'll try |
| 18:20.49 | prosoft | Otherwise I'm all for it, now I just need to get out of my MOS school here and get my computer up and running, never thought I could have withdrawls from not having my computer |
| 18:21.04 | prosoft | and only makes it worse that I can do most things except the most 'fun |
| 18:21.05 | prosoft | 'fun' from the computers here |
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| 18:22.38 | Dave | Sargun :p |
| 18:22.49 | GNUtoo | [df], i don't think it will work as there are things that specificly depends on dhclient such as connman-plugin-connman-dhclient and i bet qtopia won't connect if i remove them |
| 18:23.32 | GNUtoo | but mabe qtopia doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 18:26.45 | [df] | why do you particularly want to use udhcpd? |
| 18:27.26 | GNUtoo | [df], basically i want wifi to automagically work under qtopia om2008.9 |
| 18:27.37 | GNUtoo | and dhclient seems not to work |
| 18:27.53 | GNUtoo | at least it did last time i tried |
| 18:28.07 | lindi- | GNUtoo: "not work"? |
| 18:28.18 | GNUtoo | i'll retry |
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| 18:30.17 | GNUtoo | lindi-, i'm retrying and it seems that dhclient never exits... |
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| 18:31.07 | lindi- | GNUtoo: tcpdump? |
| 18:31.25 | lindi- | GNUtoo: 'dhclient -d eth0' and 'tcpdump -i eth0 -s0 -w d' |
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| 18:36.40 | GNUtoo | lindi-, i don't see anything on tcpdump output...or mabe i should add udhcpc with the if-up or similar directive |
| 18:37.04 | GNUtoo | or mabe i should compile a newer dhclietn |
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| 18:38.42 | Cervajz | Good evening, did anybody try replace DropBear with Open-SSH? |
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| 18:40.08 | GNUtoo | Cervajz, i did it mabe with om2008.8 |
| 18:40.25 | GNUtoo | but i don't have openssh in my current distro |
| 18:40.56 | GNUtoo | (but on debian i have it with also dropbear...i have to remove dropbear) |
| 18:41.24 | Cervajz | GNUtoo: thanks, i think about it, because DropBear can't use my authorization keys :( |
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| 18:41.40 | GNUtoo | Cervajz, mabe you can convert the keys |
| 18:41.42 | lindi- | GNUtoo: i don't think dhclient has changed in any real way |
| 18:42.09 | lindi- | GNUtoo: please 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up' and 'sudo strace -o s -s4096 -f dhclient -d eth0' |
| 18:42.24 | lindi- | GNUtoo: and make sure no other dhcp client is running |
| 18:42.48 | lindi- | Cervajz: dropbear understands my keys just fine |
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| 18:43.10 | lindi- | Cervajz: are you using rsa keys maybe? |
| 18:43.19 | Cervajz | GNUtoo: Convert? It's not so easy, because I would change keys on three machines |
| 18:43.27 | Cervajz | lindi-: Yes, 2048 |
| 18:43.28 | Cervajz | bits |
| 18:43.32 | GNUtoo | lindi-, i'm not on debian right now so i'll do it without the sudo |
| 18:44.03 | lindi- | Cervajz: just use DSA keys then |
| 18:44.14 | lindi- | Cervajz: you can have multiple keys |
| 18:44.22 | lindi- | Cervajz: no need to do the change on other systems |
| 18:44.37 | GNUtoo | i'll pastebin the s file |
| 18:44.48 | lindi- | GNUtoo: sure. "sudo x" is just a shorthand for "please run the command x with root privileges" |
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| 18:45.00 | GNUtoo | ah ok |
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| 18:46.40 | Cervajz | lindi-: Good idea, thanks. I will try use multiple keys |
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| 18:47.14 | lindi- | Cervajz: in .ssh/config you can specify what keys to use with each host |
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| 18:50.05 | GNUtoo | lindi-, http://www.pastebin.ca/1238867 |
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| 18:52.11 | lindi- | that really looks for libc.so.6 in the current directory? how unsafe :P |
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| 18:53.24 | lindi- | "SYS_289(0x3, 0xc77d8, 0x45, 0x4000, 0x1a28) = 69" |
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| 18:54.54 | lindi- | your eth0 seems to already have an address |
| 18:55.14 | lindi- | 'write(2, "bogus UDP packet length: 5851", 29) = 29'? |
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| 18:55.47 | lindi- | GNUtoo: 'write(2, "DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1", 24) = 24' shows that it received something |
| 18:55.57 | GNUtoo | lindi-, i think i didn't do a down...but only killed all dhclient and udhcpcd |
| 18:56.09 | GNUtoo | s/down/ifconfig eth0 down |
| 18:56.21 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 18:56.24 | lindi- | GNUtoo: so tcpdump should clearly have showed traffic |
| 18:56.40 | lindi- | GNUtoo: did you really look at the file 'd' where tcpdump wrote the packets? |
| 18:56.48 | GNUtoo | ah no |
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| 18:56.56 | GNUtoo | sorry...i thought it was printing |
| 18:57.18 | lindi- | GNUtoo: open it in wireshark or something on your PC |
| 18:57.22 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 18:57.30 | lindi- | GNUtoo: nope, printing things to stdout is usually not good for debugging :) |
| 18:57.41 | lindi- | you want to save raw data to file |
| 18:57.58 | lindi- | DHCPDECLINE should mean that the ip is already in use |
| 18:58.11 | lindi- | '1100. 2524 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---' |
| 18:58.13 | lindi- | huh?? |
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| 18:58.27 | GNUtoo | i see traffic in d |
| 18:58.56 | GNUtoo | i also see that: 92.6706290.0.0.0255.255.255.255DHCPDHCP Decline - Transaction ID 0x93bf2912 |
| 18:59.12 | lindi- | GNUtoo: your shell segfaults |
| 18:59.14 | lindi- | GNUtoo: 2524 execve("/sbin/dhclient-script", ["/sbin/dhclient-script"], [/* 17 vars */] <unfinished ...> |
| 18:59.17 | lindi- | GNUtoo: ... |
| 18:59.20 | GNUtoo | ouch... |
| 18:59.21 | lindi- | GNUtoo: 2524 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 18:59.34 | lindi- | while running /sbin/dhclient-script |
| 18:59.58 | lindi- | GNUtoo: and dhclient tells the server that it doesn't want the IP anymore since it has issues :P |
| 18:59.58 | GNUtoo | mabe that |
| 19:00.00 | GNUtoo | oops |
| 19:00.06 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 19:00.41 | GNUtoo | at the end i ctrl+c for strace dhclient otherwise it would loop ethernally |
| 19:01.02 | lindi- | GNUtoo: that is ok |
| 19:01.14 | lindi- | GNUtoo: it does not cause the segfault |
| 19:01.21 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 19:01.30 | lindi- | (the log has multiple SIGSEGV prints as you can see) |
| 19:01.48 | lindi- | GNUtoo: every time dhclient has got an IP address it tries to run dhclient-script to configure routing and stuff |
| 19:01.48 | Dave | Debugging party? |
| 19:02.03 | lindi- | GNUtoo: but then your shell crashes and it tells the server that it doesn't want the IP anymore |
| 19:02.18 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 19:02.19 | lindi- | what sort of a distro has a shell that crashes :-) |
| 19:02.36 | GNUtoo | 2008.9 |
| 19:02.36 | Dave | all the good ones, apparently :p |
| 19:02.56 | GNUtoo | lol |
| 19:03.00 | lindi- | GNUtoo: can you enable core files with ulimit -c unlimited? |
| 19:03.07 | GNUtoo | good idea |
| 19:03.09 | lindi- | GNUtoo: and check if it dumps core to current directory |
| 19:04.11 | GNUtoo | it does...next gdb? |
| 19:04.25 | lindi- | GNUtoo: yeah. "gdb -c core" and then "bt" |
| 19:04.38 | TAsnn | OMFG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMlsIUaWaRI |
| 19:04.39 | TAsnn | ;] |
| 19:05.02 | GNUtoo | which debug package should i install because gdb says: #0 0x400f30c8 in ?? () |
| 19:05.11 | lindi- | GNUtoo: is that all it says? |
| 19:05.18 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 19:05.28 | lindi- | GNUtoo: "x/4i $pc" |
| 19:05.42 | lindi- | GNUtoo: and "info register" |
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| 19:06.10 | GNUtoo | 0x400f30c8: Cannot access memory at address 0x400f30c8 |
| 19:06.23 | lindi- | interesting |
| 19:06.29 | leinir | Yay, an input for mobile systems that only works if you're stationary! ;) |
| 19:06.30 | GNUtoo | http://rafb.net/p/P6SPmq47.html |
| 19:06.55 | lindi- | GNUtoo: since the program is not running anymore i don't know how to see /proc/$pid/maps |
| 19:07.01 | Cervajz | GNUtoo: Excuse me, but were you successfull with Open-SSH? |
| 19:07.08 | GNUtoo | Cervajz, yes |
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| 19:07.33 | lindi- | GNUtoo: the "lr" (link register) should hold return address |
| 19:07.40 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 19:07.54 | lindi- | GNUtoo: so "x/4i $lr" might be interesting |
| 19:08.14 | GNUtoo | 0x732f006e: Cannot access memory at address 0x732f006e |
| 19:08.18 | lindi- | hrm |
| 19:08.39 | lindi- | let me check a few things :) |
| 19:08.56 | GNUtoo | ok and thanks a lot |
| 19:09.32 | lindi- | ah well, i was just stupid :P |
| 19:09.40 | lindi- | it can't find the code since you only gave it the core file |
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| 19:09.54 | lindi- | happens also on x86 |
| 19:09.59 | lindi- | GNUtoo: so "gdb /bin/sh -c core" |
| 19:10.14 | lindi- | GNUtoo: then go back to "bt" :) |
| 19:10.53 | GNUtoo | http://rafb.net/p/9fZhQ186.html |
| 19:11.20 | lindi- | GNUtoo: ah, is your /bin/sh not bash? |
| 19:11.43 | GNUtoo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jan 1 1970 /bin/sh -> busybox |
| 19:11.52 | lindi- | GNUtoo: then "gdb /bin/bash -c core" |
| 19:12.25 | GNUtoo | http://rafb.net/p/p9uf6L26.html |
| 19:12.57 | lindi- | GNUtoo: good |
| 19:13.01 | lindi- | GNUtoo: now it makes more sense |
| 19:13.28 | lindi- | GNUtoo: but since we don't see what called that memcpy it's almost impossible to do anything if you don't recompile your bash |
| 19:13.40 | lindi- | the memcpy probably overwrote stack or someting |
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| 19:14.21 | GNUtoo | lindi-, and i won't recompile my bash soon...because i'm recompiling all my TMPDIR from openembedded...(because of abi change) |
| 19:14.41 | lindi- | GNUtoo: but just for the record you could run "x/4i $pc" so that we see what the offending instruction is |
| 19:14.49 | GNUtoo | so mabe tommorow when it will have finished compiling the base...i would be able to recompile it |
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| 19:15.02 | lindi- | GNUtoo: if this happens on debian you can 'sudo apt-get build-dep bash' and 'fakeroot apt-get --build source bash' |
| 19:15.32 | GNUtoo | http://rafb.net/p/1a4pun24.html |
| 19:15.40 | GNUtoo | i'm on om2008.9 |
| 19:15.55 | lindi- | argh, i have to look at arm reference |
| 19:16.07 | lindi- | "LDM" is some load memory op |
| 19:16.20 | lindi- | and the "!" after the first register has special meaning |
| 19:16.43 | pb_ | !, in this case, means it's a post-increment. |
| 19:16.48 | lindi- | thanks |
| 19:16.49 | pb_ | that's the main memcpy loop |
| 19:17.27 | lindi- | so r1 probably points to memory that is not mapped |
| 19:17.33 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r310 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Added more functionality and setup.py |
| 19:17.38 | lindi- | '3 r1 0xbe83ffe8 3196321768' |
| 19:17.43 | lindi- | hard to say if that is mapped or not |
| 19:18.26 | pb_ | that looks like you might just have run out of stack. |
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| 19:18.51 | lindi- | pb_: but sp is less than r1 |
| 19:19.05 | pb_ | oh, what was sp? |
| 19:19.40 | lindi- | by 5956 bytes |
| 19:19.50 | lindi- | pb_: GNUtoo pasted http://rafb.net/p/P6SPmq47.html |
| 19:20.13 | pb_ | oh yeah, I see, sorry |
| 19:20.24 | lindi- | pb_: are values of registers updated atomically in that case if there is a fault while reading from memory? |
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| 19:20.42 | lindi- | it seems it checks the condition first and then reads |
| 19:21.00 | pb_ | lindi-: if an abort happens during the ldm, the base register is rewound to the starting value |
| 19:21.11 | gustavold | Hi, does openmoko come with j2me virtual machine? |
| 19:21.21 | pb_ | (but any target registers that have already been loaded are not restored) |
| 19:21.29 | lindi- | gustavold: i would use microemulator |
| 19:21.38 | lindi- | gustavold: if you just want to run some small j2me programs |
| 19:21.52 | lindi- | GNUtoo: it would be really interesting if you could check if you can reproduce this under debian |
| 19:22.03 | lindi- | GNUtoo: there is a really small chance that you have hit a bash bug |
| 19:22.18 | GNUtoo | lindi-, in debian it works fine... |
| 19:22.23 | GNUtoo | (dhclient) |
| 19:22.23 | lindi- | after all, if you type fc -s ""="" then it bash will segfault |
| 19:22.33 | GNUtoo | ah ok |
| 19:23.16 | gustavold | lindi-: I'm working on an opensource project using j2me... we are planning wich platforms we are going to support... I'd like to include openmoko, but we need assure it has j2me virtual machine, as we are going to buy some devices |
| 19:23.56 | lindi- | gustavold: does j2me really need a special virtual machine? |
| 19:24.01 | lindi- | gustavold: i just used my normal virtual machines |
| 19:24.23 | gustavold | lindi-: yes, it is |
| 19:24.28 | lindi- | gustavold: really? |
| 19:24.33 | lindi- | gustavold: for what purpose? |
| 19:24.53 | gustavold | afaik, j2se and j2me have their own virtual machines |
| 19:25.06 | lindi- | gustavold: i used cacao to run jmirc |
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| 19:25.18 | lindi- | gustavold: jmirc.sf.net is a j2me IRC client written by a friend of mine |
| 19:25.42 | lindi- | gustavold: why would i need a special virtual machine? |
| 19:26.23 | gustavold | lindi-: sorry, I'm just guessing... I'm not sure about it |
| 19:27.30 | GNUtoo | lindi-, or mabe i could build bash on the openmoko...i've gcc on it |
| 19:28.47 | lindi- | gustavold: of course you need a different class library |
| 19:28.58 | lindi- | gustavold: microemulator has a very simple one that was enough to run jmirc |
| 19:29.08 | gustavold | hummm |
| 19:29.29 | lindi- | better not mix 'compiler' 'virtual machine' and 'class library' :) |
| 19:29.32 | gustavold | lindi-: now I understood what you mean |
| 19:30.47 | gustavold | so I'll change my requirement: I need to be sure that openmoko can run our software (that is build using j2me) |
| 19:30.57 | lindi- | gustavold: so you need a) a virtual machine that works on ARM (many exist) b) a class library that supports j2me (this might be tricky if you need full API support) |
| 19:31.15 | Kensan | pb_: ping |
| 19:31.22 | gustavold | right |
| 19:31.26 | lindi- | gustavold: what class library are you using on other arcs? |
| 19:31.28 | lindi- | archs |
| 19:31.28 | pb_ | Kensan: hi |
| 19:32.16 | Kensan | pb_: just wanted to ask if bricode got in touch with you. He was asking about arm thumb and in what way it could help with android/freerunner. I saw some commits from you to OE so I told him to ping you. |
| 19:32.31 | pb_ | no, I haven't heard anything from him yet |
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| 19:32.34 | gustavold | lindi-: As I've just entered in the project, I can't answer this question |
| 19:32.43 | bricode | Speak of the Devil... |
| 19:33.03 | bricode | pb_: Just wondering if you know of any issues with thumb-interworking and various versions of gcc. |
| 19:33.15 | Kensan | bricode: :) |
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| 19:33.52 | pb_ | bricode: on what architecture? |
| 19:33.59 | bricode | ARMv4 |
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| 19:34.32 | pb_ | interworking on arm4t is a fairly bad business, though it is more an issue for the linker than for gcc. |
| 19:34.52 | pb_ | I can't think of any particular gcc issues offhand. I have been using gcc 4.1.2 and it's working pretty well for me. |
| 19:35.44 | lindi- | gustavold: ask around, would be nice to know |
| 19:35.52 | pb_ | as far as gcc is concerned, about all it needs to do is make sure that function calls are made with (and return with) bx, and it shouldn't have much of a problem with that. |
| 19:36.03 | lindi- | pb_: interworking? |
| 19:36.04 | pb_ | I'm pretty sure that code has been fairly stable since at least gcc 4.0 and probably earlier. |
| 19:36.11 | Kensan | pb_: what's the main benefit for using thumb? code-size? |
| 19:36.15 | lindi- | pb_: having both thumb and non-thumb code? |
| 19:36.40 | pb_ | Kensan: yah, code size, which in theory can translate to better performance if it leads to better cache utilisation |
| 19:36.43 | pb_ | lindi-: right |
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| 19:36.53 | pb_ | interworking means being able to call arm from thumb, and vice versa |
| 19:36.58 | gustavold | lindi-: I know we use javax |
| 19:37.05 | Kensan | pb_: ok, that's what I thought. |
| 19:37.21 | gustavold | lindi-: does it help? :-P |
| 19:37.39 | lindi- | gustavold: i mean, what class library do you use that provides you javax? |
| 19:37.43 | bricode | pb_: So mostly you need to be sure that the proper linker flags are set, and you should be okay? |
| 19:37.47 | lindi- | gustavold: maybe you use the proprietary class library from sun? |
| 19:38.01 | gustavold | lindi-: probably... |
| 19:38.03 | pb_ | bricode: it's more a case of just having a new enough linker. binutils 2.18 is ok, older versions probably are not. |
| 19:38.13 | gustavold | lindi-: We have it running on windows mobile |
| 19:38.23 | bricode | pb_: Even 2.17 of binutils is no good? |
| 19:38.31 | pb_ | the plt magic to do shared library calls with thumb involved is pretty new |
| 19:38.38 | lindi- | gustavold: is your own software free? |
| 19:38.42 | pb_ | I don't know offhand if 2.17 had it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. |
| 19:38.47 | gustavold | lindi-: yes |
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| 19:39.03 | bricode | pb_: Okay, good to know. |
| 19:39.26 | pb_ | if you can use armv5 then all those issues go away and interworking is much easier. |
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| 19:39.42 | pb_ | but, of course, as far as openmoko is concerned both the gta01 and gta02 are armv4t only |
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| 19:40.04 | lindi- | gustavold: right, could i take a look? if it's something i would be interested in i could try it with microemulator |
| 19:40.17 | pb_ | anyway, with the current toolchain bits in oe, I do have a basic rootfs built for thumb running on my gta01. |
| 19:41.08 | gustavold | lindi-: http://ccsl.ime.usp.br/borboleta/trac/browser/borboleta-movel |
| 19:41.18 | gustavold | lindi-: most of the code is in portuguese :( |
| 19:41.27 | bricode | pb_: So I've noticed. ARMv5 is a lot nicer in that regard. |
| 19:41.36 | pb_ | total filesystem size change is about 10%, although that includes a pile of data files which obviously are not affected. I think the average change in executable size is somewhere around 15%, but a few programs shrink by about twice that. |
| 19:42.26 | Kensan | pb_: hm sounds good... I guess with GTA02 every bit of IO that can be avoided helps. |
| 19:42.49 | lindi- | gustavold: right, what does the program do? ;) |
| 19:44.03 | gustavold | lindi-: it is a data collector for patient record |
| 19:44.44 | lindi- | rright |
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| 19:45.32 | pb_ | Kensan: yah, right |
| 19:45.39 | gustavold | lindi-: I asked another developer... I don't know if I asked the right question, but he answered cldc 1.1 MIDP 2.0 |
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| 19:46.27 | lindi- | gustavold: how can i checkout that? |
| 19:46.44 | lindi- | gustavold: i think those are names of the APIs you need |
| 19:46.56 | lindi- | gustavold: i don't think microemulator provides full MIDP 2.0 |
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| 19:47.31 | F4t | hey all, did anyone play with /etc/pointercal and /etc/ts.conf? how can i stop it from jittering? |
| 19:48.13 | gustavold | lindi-: svn checkout svn://ccsl.ime.usp.br/borboleta/borboleta-movel/trunk |
| 19:48.47 | pb_ | Kensan: re-running the lmbench shell benchmark with the thumb world, the cost of /bin/sh appears to be reduced from 35ms to 29ms, which if true seems like a significant win. |
| 19:48.57 | pb_ | I'm not entirely sure I trust those numbers yet though |
| 19:51.41 | gustavold | lindi-: if you want to know more about the project, the homepage is: http://ccsl.ime.usp.br/borboleta/ |
| 19:52.14 | Kensan | pb_: yeah, that would be an improvement. But as you said it would probably be better to replace the static stuff with a custom binary replacing the need for shell script(s). |
| 19:52.53 | pb_ | yah, indeed. the main significance of a better /bin/sh benchmark is that it suggests that application code in general is probably going to run faster. |
| 19:53.10 | pb_ | busybox sh is just the easiest thing to benchmark, it's relatively harder to benchmark random gtk programs. |
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| 19:53.32 | pb_ | obviously it would be interesting to benchmark the python interpreter and the xserver as well |
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| 19:54.09 | lindi- | pb_: how fast does busybox nc -vv www.google.com 80 segfault? ;) |
| 19:54.26 | Kensan | pb_: yes, indeed. There's a lot of python code which people want to run on their openmoko phones. |
| 19:54.58 | Kensan | pb_: raster already made his point clear on python's memory consumption ;) |
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| 19:55.05 | prosoft | bricode? |
| 19:55.56 | prosoft | and pb_? |
| 19:56.01 | droebje | is there some c code too? i ipkgd gcc on my A780 but think i try again. command not found |
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| 19:57.10 | droebje | ipackaged you know? |
| 19:57.16 | pb_ | prosoft: yes? |
| 19:58.25 | pb_ | oh, drat, I forgot I had gone back to the stock openmoko kernel |
| 19:58.34 | pb_ | no wonder these benchmark numbers are so bad :-} |
| 19:58.46 | prosoft | I wasn't sure if either of you could answer this.. the ARMv4 vs. ARMv5... Is there any possibility of switching those out for my own personal use? |
| 19:59.14 | pb_ | prosoft: no, not realistically |
| 19:59.15 | prosoft | From my understanding, Openmoko uses the ARMv4 because it's completely open, while ARMv5 is not |
| 19:59.19 | lindi- | gustavold: fails here with http://rafb.net/p/bTrhzw84.html |
| 19:59.27 | prosoft | is that correct or is there something else? |
| 19:59.31 | pb_ | prosoft: no, that's not the case. |
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| 19:59.50 | pb_ | it just happens that the cpus that OM chose for the gta01 and gta02 are both based on an arm920t core, which happens to implement armv4t. |
| 20:00.47 | pb_ | in the case of gta01, I think that happened because they were basing it on an existing hardware platform. |
| 20:01.07 | pb_ | if it had been designed from scratch then I would have expected them to use s3c2412, which is better than s3c2410 and also cheaper. |
| 20:01.17 | SpeedEvil | Now |
| 20:01.28 | pb_ | s3c2412 is based on arm926ejs, which is armv5te |
| 20:01.32 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure what the costs were back in 1997. |
| 20:01.47 | prosoft | I see, is there any chance of changing that in the future, or is OM pretty content with what they have? |
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| 20:01.54 | SpeedEvil | Well - whenever the neo1973 was developed. |
| 20:02.05 | SpeedEvil | pro; there is no guarantee of binary compatibility. |
| 20:02.14 | SpeedEvil | prosoft: whatever looks best at the time will work |
| 20:02.20 | lindi- | gustavold: indeed i don't see deleteAll in ListPaciente.java even thought it is called. |
| 20:02.39 | Kensan | prosoft: the next will be a s3c6410 |
| 20:02.44 | gustavold | lindi-: let me see |
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| 20:03.05 | lindi- | gustavold: protected void carrega() { deleteAll(); |
| 20:03.07 | pb_ | prosoft: yes, gta03 will have a different cpu, probably a newer architecture version. |
| 20:03.32 | mjr | no it doesn't? |
| 20:03.38 | prosoft | is that.. ARMv6? |
| 20:03.42 | pb_ | anyway, the point is that there is nothing inherently less open about armv5te than armv4t. the only bit of arm926ej-s that isn't really open is jazelle, and you don't have to use that. |
| 20:03.42 | SpeedEvil | pb_: as I understand it not |
| 20:03.55 | pb_ | oh, is that still the s3c2442? |
| 20:03.56 | SpeedEvil | pb_: GTA03 is a minor version change in the CPU |
| 20:04.01 | pb_ | ah, I see |
| 20:04.12 | SpeedEvil | pb_: it's just got a camera interface and more onboard RAM I think |
| 20:04.18 | SpeedEvil | pb_: and is faster |
| 20:04.32 | SpeedEvil | But no graphics accel, or other stuff - that's for 04 |
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| 20:04.37 | Kensan | s3c6410 |
| 20:04.50 | Kensan | bye bye glamo... |
| 20:05.00 | pb_ | if it's s3c6410 then that is indeed a newer architecture version |
| 20:05.32 | pb_ | s3c6410 is arm1176 based, which is quite a step from arm920t. |
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| 20:06.19 | prosoft | Used in the Iphone... correct? |
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| 20:08.02 | prosoft | I know very little about Mobile stuff, particularly the different platforms, seeing how 'far' back this project goes though, I guess I could understand why it's ARMv4, I was thinking more towards the use of Google's Android as to the reasoning behind changing it up a little bit |
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| 20:09.07 | lindi- | gustavold: should that deleteAll() be part of List in midp 2.0? |
| 20:09.08 | Kensan | pb_: just out of curiosity: are you working on openmoko-stuff or are you just "following the project"? |
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| 20:09.43 | gustavold | lindi-: maybe... the guy who coded it is not answering me... |
| 20:10.15 | lindi- | gustavold: would be interesting to see what specification says that List should have such a method |
| 20:10.21 | lindi- | gustavold: openjdk does not |
| 20:10.24 | pb_ | Kensan: just following the project, really. I have a vague ambition to use my neo1973 as a cellphone one day :-} |
| 20:10.36 | SpeedEvil | pb_: wierdo. |
| 20:10.38 | SpeedEvil | pb_: :) |
| 20:10.40 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:10.57 | SpeedEvil | has currently mislaid his neo1973 in the most literal sense. |
| 20:11.12 | SpeedEvil | I placed it next to the window to get GPS signal. |
| 20:11.16 | pb_ | doh |
| 20:11.33 | Kensan | pb_: ambitious indeed... ;) |
| 20:11.34 | SpeedEvil | However, I'm currently doing insulation work to try to make my house warmer. |
| 20:12.09 | SpeedEvil | And it's fallen down the back of the insulation to the underfloor space. |
| 20:12.09 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: you put your neo inside the wall, mafia-style? that's a bit harsh. |
| 20:12.16 | Wonka | house warmer? is that like a leg warmer? |
| 20:12.21 | SpeedEvil | And now I've got to unscrew stuff. |
| 20:12.39 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: no, the walls are currently 60cm sandstone. |
| 20:12.43 | prosoft | ouch |
| 20:12.51 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: Then a 5cm gap and plasterboard. |
| 20:12.55 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: this is not warm. |
| 20:13.05 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: hence I'm putting actual insulation in there. |
| 20:13.22 | Wonka | 60cm? that's quite much. |
| 20:13.32 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 20:13.42 | SpeedEvil | Typical construction. |
| 20:13.42 | Wonka | we got 12cm of polystyrene on the outside... |
| 20:13.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: considered fishing? |
| 20:13.54 | lindi- | gustavold: newer microemulator has deleteAll() |
| 20:13.59 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: I need to take up a board that I put down. |
| 20:14.01 | lindi- | gustavold: hurray :-) |
| 20:14.08 | gustavold | lindi-: :D |
| 20:14.14 | SpeedEvil | (for 1700s weavers cottages in scotland) |
| 20:14.25 | quickdev | rwhitby, here? |
| 20:15.01 | lindi- | gustavold: sorry, it doesn't :) |
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| 20:15.30 | lindi- | gustavold: or well, i am not sure by looking at the code only. there is deleteAll implementation but it might be part of an example only |
| 20:15.51 | lindi- | gustavold: would be still interesting to know what standard defines deleteAll() |
| 20:16.07 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: this is a brick house, made from bricks of some material i'd translate as "chalk sandstone" |
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| 20:17.06 | lindi- | gustavold: hmm, it must implement it |
| 20:17.17 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: we now need less oil to heat than the current standard for newbuilt(!) houses |
| 20:17.33 | lindi- | gustavold: since it has example with 'this.deleteAll();' and it is inside 'public class FilesList extends List implements CommandListener {' |
| 20:17.34 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: and here in germany, the laws are a little stricter on that than in the USA |
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| 20:19.22 | lindi- | gustavold: can you tell a bit more about this app btw? who uses it? |
| 20:20.30 | gustavold | lindi-: it is still under development... is not on full production... it is being used just as experimental |
| 20:20.59 | gustavold | lindi-: by a helth center in Brazil |
| 20:21.02 | lindi- | gustavold: '* This software is published under the terms of the TinyLine * * License, a copy of which has been included with this * * distribution in the TINYLINE_LICENSE.TXT file. *' |
| 20:21.09 | lindi- | gustavold: the file TINYLINE_LICENSE.TXT is missing? |
| 20:21.31 | prosoft | As just an everyday phone for just calling/texting, what are the current problems with the phone? |
| 20:22.00 | lindi- | prosoft: hardware or software? |
| 20:22.12 | prosoft | To be honest - both |
| 20:22.18 | prosoft | Hardware wise, is it up to it |
| 20:22.29 | prosoft | Software - is it at the very least stable enough for me to use for just the basics |
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| 20:22.37 | lindi- | prosoft: i can only talk about what i see. here the hardware is mostly ok |
| 20:22.41 | gustavold | lindi-: I couldn't find this file |
| 20:22.54 | lindi- | gustavold: if you have a list of questions could you add this to the list? ;) |
| 20:23.04 | lindi- | prosoft: and for software there are many options |
| 20:23.14 | lindi- | prosoft: frameworkd+zhone is barely usable |
| 20:23.31 | prosoft | Tinkering with I have no problem, but I'm on a tight budget, I can convince my wife to allow me to get it to help out the community and help port/develop software for it, but only if I can use it as a phone |
| 20:24.07 | prosoft | And honestly - if there's enough there where I could just throw on some very basic software to allow me to call in and out it'd be fine. I.e. It doesn't need to be pretty |
| 20:25.16 | lindi- | prosoft: i would like such software too. imho the current phone programs have too many features and work too unreliably |
| 20:26.08 | prosoft | I'm willing to make basic text apps - I don't care if I have to call from a terminal prompt.. just as long as I can |
| 20:26.23 | prosoft | But the wifey will allow it if I can use it.. |
| 20:27.20 | pb_ | doh, locked myself out of my phone again |
| 20:27.34 | pb_ | stupid dropbear |
| 20:29.15 | prosoft | I gotta run... I'll try to be on later |
| 20:29.39 | prosoft | hope to catch a few of you guys in tonight, I got a couple questions |
| 20:36.05 | gustavold | lindi-: As I said, it is stil under heavy development... according to the developer, that "map" directory (with that tinyLine library) is still there just because of his laziness on removing that files from the repository... |
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| 20:36.58 | lindi- | gustavold: http://iki.fi/lindi/borboleta/1.png |
| 20:37.31 | sirex` | Hello. When I try to opkg update, I get these errors: Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 20:38.09 | sirex` | How can I fix this, and where can I get working repos and where can I change them? |
| 20:39.31 | lindi- | gustavold: any idea what the errors in http://iki.fi/lindi/borboleta/1.txt are in english? |
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| 20:40.15 | lindi- | gustavold: now it says "Tabelas de consulta precisam ser importadas" |
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| 20:43.40 | balrog-k1n | the tables need to be imported |
| 20:45.29 | spydon | faultmessages in other languages <3 |
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| 20:47.06 | gustavold | lindi-: it has to work with a server... you dont have the server |
| 20:47.59 | lindi- | gustavold: aha |
| 20:48.08 | lindi- | gustavold: is that available? |
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| 20:50.46 | gustavold | lindi-: hummm... I dont have a server running... |
| 20:51.58 | gustavold | lindi-: You can download the code, but it would be difficult to make it work, as it needs a configured database and probably other things |
| 20:52.27 | lindi- | gustavold: you don't have automated testsuite? |
| 20:53.13 | gustavold | lindi-: no =( |
| 20:53.48 | lindi- | gustavold: i'd start from that :-) |
| 20:53.56 | gustavold | lindi-: at least it seems it is working... |
| 20:54.25 | gustavold | lindi-: all the mobile software does is showing forms and interacting whit webservices |
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| 20:55.03 | gustavold | lindi-: according to microemulator website, it suports midp 2.0 |
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| 20:55.57 | lindi- | gustavold: that still does not mean much unless you have tested that your program only relies on on midp 2.0 and nothing extra |
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| 20:56.14 | lindi- | gustavold: i have struggled with the 'java trap' since 2004 :) |
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| 20:56.43 | gustavold | lindi-: maybe I can ask it to be a restriction to the project :P |
| 20:57.07 | lindi- | gustavold: there is no easy way to be sure |
| 20:57.17 | lindi- | gustavold: so you better have automated tests with different systems |
| 20:58.08 | gustavold | lindi-: I'm a newbie in the java world... I'm comming from c/c++ development |
| 20:58.13 | lindi- | gustavold: it can take a day or two to setup the test system but after that you don't have to be constantly afraid that you will break the system for some obscure device |
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| 21:04.59 | gustavold | lindi-: I think we will try openmoko, according to the developer who coded almost the entire software, all we need is cldc 1.1, midp 2.0 and jsr 75 |
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| 21:05.48 | lindi- | gustavold: there is no need to buy the hardware |
| 21:06.22 | lindi- | gustavold: just make sure it runs with microemulator |
| 21:07.14 | gustavold | lindi-: I came here exactely because the sponsor is going to buy a smart phone to me, and asked me to choose wich one I want... ;) |
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| 21:08.16 | lindi- | gustavold: ah, for you personally |
| 21:09.06 | lindi- | gustavold: what do you value? what are you priorities when you choose the phone? |
| 21:10.42 | gustavold | lindi-: I'd like to choose one that runs linux... until now we just run it on windows mobile |
| 21:11.58 | metallicaoslorek | is the freerunner powerfull enough to play xvids? |
| 21:12.10 | metallicaoslorek | those who are like 700mbs |
| 21:12.21 | lindi- | metallicaoslorek: what are those? |
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| 21:13.03 | metallicaoslorek | dvdrips |
| 21:13.26 | metallicaoslorek | avi |
| 21:13.27 | mjr | xvid is basically one of them plainer mpeg4 profiles so possibly the glamo acceleration could be useful |
| 21:13.28 | nemik | avi's basically. i'm not really sure they'd play back all that well |
| 21:13.43 | nemik | yea maybe with the glamo mplayer thing |
| 21:14.01 | metallicaoslorek | vlc |
| 21:14.38 | mjr | metallicaoslorek, you don't want to decode on the cpu, is the thing, and there's only the kludged up glamo output for mplayer afaik |
| 21:16.04 | mjr | don't know how well that works, really, but that's your best shot at getting decent video performance |
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| 21:16.47 | lindi- | if i only had time i could try it on debian |
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| 21:18.37 | metallicaoslorek | couse i'd really like to watch movies stored on my server |
| 21:19.05 | metallicaoslorek | direct from the server, not downloading |
| 21:19.19 | lindi- | dvdrips don't sound too legal though :P |
| 21:19.40 | Schugy | who cares |
| 21:19.57 | mjr | well, depends on if you've gotten your very own imported DMCA yet where you are |
| 21:20.02 | lindi- | Schugy: i do :) |
| 21:20.26 | metallicaoslorek | of cource i need it to be dvdrips, i cant put the dvds in the neo freerunner:P |
| 21:20.37 | Schugy | as long as I don't give copies away to others... |
| 21:20.43 | lindi- | metallicaoslorek: usb dvd-drive? ;) |
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| 21:21.18 | Schugy | I've ripped the sound pid of all my music dvds to hear them in the car |
| 21:21.20 | metallicaoslorek | but i think that is my choise |
| 21:21.47 | metallicaoslorek | and how would the batterytime be if i had to run a dvd-drive |
| 21:21.58 | Schugy | lol |
| 21:22.29 | Schugy | dvds easily fit on sdcards |
| 21:22.35 | metallicaoslorek | so why bother arguing about how legal dvdrips are |
| 21:23.06 | Schugy | it's just fair use |
| 21:23.30 | techiem2-r | shhh. Don't tell that to the MPAA |
| 21:23.32 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 21:23.50 | lindi- | metallicaoslorek: well, i don't have a physical dvd drive so only way i could test your idea would be for somebody to send me (probably illegally) a dvd image |
| 21:24.14 | Schugy | thanks to libdvdcss we have the power |
| 21:24.44 | lindi- | ah and then i'm not sure if debian even can decode dvds nowadays |
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| 21:25.41 | Schugy | don't have any hd-parts because of the limitations, no hd-panel, no bd-drive, no hd-movies |
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| 21:26.09 | Schugy | add the videolan.org-repository.... |
| 21:26.36 | Schugy | thanks to the French |
| 21:26.45 | lindi- | Schugy: but it might have some non-DFSG stuff :) |
| 21:26.47 | metallicaoslorek | for videolad? |
| 21:26.53 | metallicaoslorek | videolan* |
| 21:27.02 | LetoTo1 | fuck DFSG :) |
| 21:27.27 | Schugy | at least there are libdvdcss-debs |
| 21:28.04 | metallicaoslorek | can the freerunner with a debian distro use .deb packages? |
| 21:28.06 | lindi- | Schugy: the issue is not technology :) |
| 21:28.08 | metallicaoslorek | and apt-get? |
| 21:28.14 | lindi- | metallicaoslorek: sure? |
| 21:28.20 | metallicaoslorek | or do i have to compile everything? |
| 21:28.30 | metallicaoslorek | sure about what? |
| 21:28.40 | lindi- | metallicaoslorek: of course you can apt-get, it's debian |
| 21:28.44 | mjr | sure as in "of course" |
| 21:28.47 | lindi- | metallicaoslorek: the complete thing |
| 21:28.53 | Schugy | but maybe its x86 only |
| 21:29.02 | mjr | Schugy, debian? Yeah right. |
| 21:29.09 | metallicaoslorek | yeah, that was what i thought |
| 21:29.30 | mjr | debian has a pretty fine list of architectures |
| 21:29.30 | Schugy | get an atom phone with a >1W cpu and a 25W chipset |
| 21:29.32 | Schugy | :-D |
| 21:29.50 | metallicaoslorek | hehe:P |
| 21:29.54 | Schugy | does anybody care about battery life? |
| 21:30.30 | ronny | me |
| 21:30.34 | Schugy | intels ARM criticism is ridiculous |
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| 21:30.42 | ronny | minime |
| 21:30.45 | metallicaoslorek | yeah, i want at least 10 hours |
| 21:31.06 | ronny | Schugy: they just want to push crappy ol x86 |
| 21:31.17 | Schugy | and that means below 1 W with cpu, chipset, dram, and maybe even display |
| 21:31.17 | metallicaoslorek | i love ARM. Thank norway! |
| 21:31.23 | metallicaoslorek | Atmel owns |
| 21:31.54 | Schugy | i wonder when the gta03 will be ready |
| 21:32.11 | Schugy | and the pandora handheld is sold out until next year and only black coloured |
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| 21:58.49 | break_free | what's with OM2008.8 having a newer release than 2008.9 |
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| 22:05.40 | gustavold | lindi-: Thank you for helping, I have to go now, but I'll try to make borboleta run on microemulator and then I come to give you some feedback |
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| 22:12.54 | kdean06 | Can anyone running Debian tell me roughly how much space on SD I need for the basic install? |
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| 22:14.42 | Zorkman | kdean06: i'm not very much up to date anymore, but the bare nescessities ran on the 512MB card |
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| 22:14.58 | kdean06 | Okay, thanks. |
| 22:15.34 | prosoft | Hello hello |
| 22:17.03 | SirBob1701 | \ |
| 22:17.04 | SirBob1701 | \ |
| 22:17.07 | SirBob1701 | \exit |
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| 22:18.50 | Torikun | When I do a upgrade on the openmoko ASU, It says "updating angstrom version". Is thsi correct? |
| 22:20.00 | Dave | Torikun! |
| 22:20.05 | Torikun | Yo |
| 22:20.09 | Dave | It always says that? |
| 22:20.23 | Dave | At least that's from what I remember. |
| 22:20.24 | Torikun | Only! |
| 22:20.28 | Dave | only? |
| 22:20.35 | Torikun | Yup |
| 22:20.40 | Dave | I always remember that being the first part of every successful opkg upgrade I did. |
| 22:20.49 | Dave | then it would update the kernel and write it to nand, etc. |
| 22:20.55 | Torikun | I have not seen packages in a long time |
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| 22:20.59 | Torikun | only angstom |
| 22:21.12 | Torikun | Dave! Test out my backup software |
| 22:21.13 | Torikun | http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?page_id=210 |
| 22:21.49 | Dave | oh snap? |
| 22:21.59 | Torikun | That is why I been not here for awhile |
| 22:22.00 | Torikun | learning Java |
| 22:22.01 | Torikun | .olol |
| 22:22.02 | Dave | How many rootkits are packaged with it? :D |
| 22:22.04 | Dave | haha |
| 22:22.12 | Dave | Yeah, I kind of did that myself, over the summer :P |
| 22:22.34 | Dave | Now I've got a project manager who's perception is that Java is the future and will solve all programming problems. |
| 22:22.40 | Torikun | ha |
| 22:22.46 | Dave | I constantly find myself rolling my eyes and walking out on meetings. |
| 22:22.52 | Torikun | I like Java |
| 22:23.00 | Dave | Someone asked me why I left early... |
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| 22:23.14 | Torikun | your object was finished |
| 22:23.14 | Torikun | lol |
| 22:23.23 | Dave | I said the reason lay in an undefined exception class... |
| 22:23.28 | Torikun | lol |
| 22:23.29 | Dave | (i.e. go fuck yourself) |
| 22:23.31 | Torikun | Nullpointer |
| 22:23.31 | Torikun | lol |
| 22:23.34 | Dave | yeah |
| 22:23.39 | Dave | Fucking Java |
| 22:23.40 | Torikun | hate that dam error |
| 22:23.44 | Torikun | pisses me off |
| 22:23.49 | Dave | Doesn't it always :D |
| 22:23.53 | Ke | java has no unsigned, need i say more |
| 22:23.58 | Dave | So, I see YOU'VE been enjoying yourself then :D |
| 22:24.01 | Dave | Kekeke |
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| 22:24.27 | Torikun | openmoko needs java |
| 22:24.29 | Torikun | so I can run my app |
| 22:24.55 | Dave | What, it doesn't run on cacao/jalimo? |
| 22:25.03 | Zorkman | Torikun: it has java... no? |
| 22:25.07 | Zorkman | g2g |
| 22:25.08 | Dave | Sure it does |
| 22:25.13 | Dave | Just a shitty excuse for it :D |
| 22:25.17 | Dave | (JVM) |
| 22:25.18 | Torikun | lol |
| 22:25.46 | Dave | People are all dismayed and shit when they get errors or missing libs, etc. I'm just like, dude... you're trying to run your java project... on a phone... |
| 22:25.49 | Dave | Need I say more? |
| 22:25.55 | Torikun | hahaahah |
| 22:26.08 | Dave | Memory footprint copters |
| 22:26.14 | ronny | lol |
| 22:26.19 | Torikun | my backup progarm would not be very useful on the freerunner |
| 22:26.28 | Dave | Dude, I'm like... YOU DON'T RUN BITTORRENT ON A PHONE! |
| 22:26.45 | Torikun | lol |
| 22:26.47 | Dave | They're like, hey, fuck you. I just left after that. |
| 22:27.03 | Dave | That's one less peer for them! |
| 22:27.04 | Dave | hahaha |
| 22:27.11 | ronny | Torikun: what kind of backup app ? |
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| 22:28.18 | Torikun | ronny: http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?page_id=210 |
| 22:31.18 | Torikun | actually |
| 22:31.22 | Torikun | this may be useful on the openmok |
| 22:31.23 | Torikun | lol |
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| 22:37.33 | Dave | I think you have other plans for us... Torikun. |
| 22:37.36 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 22:37.45 | Torikun | lol |
| 22:37.45 | Torikun | wha |
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| 22:40.17 | Dave | SEKRET MOTIVEZ |
| 22:40.56 | metallicaoslorek | what is the arm processor in the freerunner called? |
| 22:41.22 | Torikun | dam |
| 22:41.25 | Torikun | my code does not run |
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| 22:42.14 | prosoft | metallicaosiorek.. Samsung 2442 SoC |
| 22:42.42 | prosoft | 400/500 MHz Samsung 2442B Processor/SOC (400 minimum, ARM920T core, ARMv4T) |
| 22:42.50 | prosoft | running in the freerunner.. |
| 22:43.10 | prosoft | check out openmoko's wiki, it has pretty much everything there |
| 22:44.37 | Dave | hah |
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| 22:46.28 | Dave | Torikun, exception whore :p |
| 22:46.37 | Torikun | lol |
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| 22:55.00 | Dave | Yes, leave you puny humons. |
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| 22:59.25 | root_demon | hello people |
| 22:59.39 | muxe | hi |
| 23:01.12 | root_demon | so, I was hoping somebody could point me in the right direction, as to how one would go about using an unlocked phone such as neo with a gsm service provider. |
| 23:02.02 | root_demon | the only phones I have ever owned have been provided to me by my service provider. |
| 23:02.17 | Dave | just swap out the sim |
| 23:02.58 | root_demon | do all cell phone have a sim card? |
| 23:03.10 | Dave | only phones that use gsm |
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| 23:03.52 | root_demon | got'cha. that makes more sence. I've only had sprint and verizon, and have had a total of 5 phones in my life time and never recall seeing a sim card. |
| 23:04.26 | Dave | I see |
| 23:04.41 | Dave | yeah, well Verizon Wireless is strictly CDMA (i.e. no SIM) |
| 23:04.56 | Dave | At least within the US |
| 23:05.06 | root_demon | does that mean that if I were to sign up with a gsm based provider, that I would already have to have a phone from them to swap sims, or would they actually provide me with a sim if I asked? |
| 23:06.21 | evolux | is mokopedia the current "offline-wikipedia of your choice"? |
| 23:06.48 | evolux | i was finally able to get it running, but i can't find out how to search for articles... |
| 23:08.00 | evolux | hm, perhaps i downloaded the wrong one |
| 23:09.12 | mjr | root_demon, in the US, they're pretty keen on force-selling you phones, but you should be able to get a sim only (though they'll probably make you pay for a phone anyway) |
| 23:09.55 | mjr | The details are up to the providers and the plan you get. Prepays perhaps not so much on the force-selling front. |
| 23:10.34 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 23:10.47 | techiem2-r | I paid $15 for a prepay kit to yank the sim from |
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| 23:11.55 | root_demon | really? |
| 23:12.13 | root_demon | so you turned your openmoko into a prepay? |
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| 23:12.29 | pietrubens | hello? |
| 23:12.59 | Dave | Yes? |
| 23:13.06 | techiem2-r | yup |
| 23:13.21 | techiem2-r | picked up a $15 ATT gophone prepay kit at the local RadioShack |
| 23:13.24 | Dave | Techie :p |
| 23:13.28 | pietrubens | hello all |
| 23:13.31 | techiem2-r | they activated the phone and account etc |
| 23:13.36 | pietrubens | anybody in here is familiar with amaya? |
| 23:13.40 | techiem2-r | I went home, yanked the sim, put it in my FR |
| 23:13.41 | techiem2-r | hehehe |
| 23:14.23 | techiem2-r | I do get a kind of evil satisfaction that I'm using my FR with a $25/min prepay plan on ATT while the iPhone users have to pay $$$$$/month |
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| 23:14.34 | Dave | yeah |
| 23:14.40 | techiem2-r | er |
| 23:14.44 | techiem2-r | $.25/min |
| 23:14.45 | techiem2-r | lol |
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| 23:16.34 | Dave | yeah, it's not the best, but hey. |
| 23:16.35 | Dave | :) |
| 23:16.39 | Dave | hails raster |
| 23:17.04 | techiem2-r | considering that I use my phone very rarely, $25 every 3 months is just fine for me |
| 23:17.07 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:17.24 | raster | bows obsequiously before the almighty Dave |
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| 23:18.04 | root_demon | that's brilliant. |
| 23:18.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | raster: moinmoin! |
| 23:18.31 | root_demon | this is why I came in here. I was undecided about whether or not it'd be worth buying, but this is sounds more fun by the minute. |
| 23:18.53 | Kensan | runs for cover |
| 23:19.03 | Dave | >:) |
| 23:20.19 | Kensan | Dave: about the snowball earlier: it's gonna snow here tomorrow so be carefull mate. |
| 23:20.39 | Dave | I FEAR NOT. |
| 23:20.48 | Kensan | raster: I think I sent you the wrong udev patch *sigh* |
| 23:20.50 | root_demon | does anyone know if a java SDK or even just a JVM has been known to work on openmoko? |
| 23:20.56 | pietrubens | @kensan: snow? where are you then, if i may ask, that it snows so soon |
| 23:21.41 | Kensan | pietrubens: switzerland |
| 23:21.49 | raster | Kensan: what? NOOOOOOOO! |
| 23:21.55 | Kensan | Dave: you just wait and se *muahaha* |
| 23:21.58 | Kensan | +e |
| 23:21.59 | raster | curses the swiss |
| 23:22.04 | chi | so i got a sim for my phone and it works in another phone but not my neo =/ |
| 23:22.06 | raster | hugs the swiss |
| 23:22.09 | Kensan | goes back to hide again |
| 23:22.15 | raster | DocScrutinizer2: morgen! |
| 23:22.24 | Kensan | raster: forget about patch 0001 |
| 23:22.26 | techiem2-r | ugh we're supposed to get snow tonight... |
| 23:23.06 | raster | k |
| 23:23.07 | Kensan | raster: ok why did you curse? patch or snow? |
| 23:23.13 | raster | i need to do this bubble widget |
| 23:23.22 | Kensan | checks if diversion-question works |
| 23:23.29 | raster | then need to figure out why when illume is enabled... e decides to forget its lang |
| 23:23.36 | Kensan | ah |
| 23:23.37 | raster | Kensan: patch |
| 23:23.38 | raster | :) |
| 23:23.45 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:23.47 | DocScrutinizer2 | duh, bubble widget? o.O |
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| 23:24.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | raster loves snow |
| 23:24.32 | Kensan | DocScrutinizer2: he does? |
| 23:24.34 | raster | snow is good |
| 23:24.40 | raster | DocScrutinizer2: yes. bubble widget! |
| 23:24.41 | Dave | YAY |
| 23:24.46 | Kensan | raster: not if it's yellow... |
| 23:24.50 | Dave | SNOWPHONE! |
| 23:24.59 | raster | it'll all make sense when my master plan comes to fruition |
| 23:25.05 | raster | Kensan: ewwww! |
| 23:25.14 | Kensan | raster: exactly |
| 23:25.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | watch out where the huskies go... |
| 23:25.24 | Kensan | raster: not all snow is equal. |
| 23:25.28 | Dave | YES |
| 23:25.32 | Dave | throws a snowball at raster |
| 23:25.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | don't you eat that yellow snow |
| 23:26.29 | Dave | It's poisoned! |
| 23:26.35 | Kensan | raster: well if you like snow, then get Thomas to pay for your trip to CH, I'll show you around ;) |
| 23:26.43 | Dave | :D |
| 23:27.21 | Kensan | raster: about the master plan coming to fruition: *Burns-evil-voice* eeeexcelent |
| 23:28.21 | raster | Kensan: let's see how thngs go |
| 23:28.40 | raster | it seems that there will be continued work for swisscom - they're happy |
| 23:28.41 | raster | :) |
| 23:28.45 | Kensan | raster: speaking of which: did you get oe commit access? |
| 23:29.00 | raster | yeah i did |
| 23:29.03 | raster | i just havent set it up yet |
| 23:29.07 | raster | i'm still on my old-method |
| 23:29.12 | raster | i just need to check out git via ssh |
| 23:29.22 | raster | and then set up my branch |
| 23:29.24 | raster | and commit to it |
| 23:29.29 | Kensan | raster: yeah, you should have been there at the community meet, he was doing a little raster ad *hehe* |
| 23:29.42 | raster | really? |
| 23:29.44 | raster | hehehehe |
| 23:29.49 | raster | i guess he might be happy |
| 23:30.02 | Kensan | raster: well everybody was impressed so it was not that he had much to say :) |
| 23:30.04 | raster | i try to do the best for those i work for :) |
| 23:30.23 | raster | (even if they disagree - it's for their own good - like medicine!) :) |
| 23:30.26 | BobOfDoom | raster: you usually don't have to recheck out |
| 23:30.30 | BobOfDoom | git delete origin |
| 23:30.33 | BobOfDoom | I mean |
| 23:30.37 | BobOfDoom | git remote rm origin |
| 23:30.43 | BobOfDoom | git remote add origin new-url-here |
| 23:30.47 | BobOfDoom | git fetch |
| 23:30.52 | raster | BobOfDoom: hmmm |
| 23:31.18 | raster | let me try |
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| 23:31.20 | Kensan | raster: since you have 25 mbit downstream you could just go for the git clone ;) |
| 23:31.29 | BobOfDoom | but IIRC you said you're in 24mbit, so it probably can't hurt anyway :p |
| 23:31.31 | BobOfDoom | yeah |
| 23:31.41 | raster | BobOfDoom: does it care if i have uncommitted changes? |
| 23:31.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | raster: (own good) *sigh* |
| 23:31.43 | raster | i think it will |
| 23:31.52 | raster | Kensan: thats what i was going to do |
| 23:31.53 | raster | :) |
| 23:31.56 | BobOfDoom | raster: no, it shouldn't care |
| 23:31.58 | Kensan | raster: git stash |
| 23:32.00 | raster | the :easy way" |
| 23:32.02 | BobOfDoom | git remote and git fetch don't touch the working tree |
| 23:32.09 | Kensan | stash your uncommited stuff so it does not get lost |
| 23:32.39 | raster | DocScrutinizer2: sometimes they dont realise it is for their own good.. or think they know better :) not sure why they would bother paying me then if they already know better :) |
| 23:33.03 | raster | BobOfDoom: let me actually commit my changes |
| 23:33.07 | Kensan | ok boottime back at 50 secs. |
| 23:33.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup & sigh again |
| 23:33.51 | Dave | :| |
| 23:35.10 | raster | DocScrutinizer2: aaah. they all knowing "sigh" |
| 23:35.34 | raster | one thing i dont know is all this git goop |
| 23:35.42 | Kensan | raster: well I am glad to hear they keep contracting you because Swisscom has been milking me for money long enough. Now they at least spend a teensy fraction of it for something I think is awesome. |
| 23:35.46 | Kensan | ;) |
| 23:36.27 | Kensan | raster: maybe you can watch this while eating breakfast? :http://excess.org/article/2008/07/ogre-git-tutorial/ |
| 23:37.15 | raster | Kensan: hehehehe! :) |
| 23:37.35 | raster | gah |
| 23:37.46 | raster | it's one of those mornjings where i am doing 5 things at once |
| 23:38.06 | raster | shit |
| 23:38.13 | raster | its almost 1.5hrs |
| 23:38.28 | Kensan | heh yes |
| 23:38.56 | Kensan | if you want funny watch Linus make fun of the SVN guys at google. |
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| 23:39.39 | Kensan | and read the other page that BobOfDoom posted. Something about git for computer scientists or so. |
| 23:40.19 | Kensan | well I need to catch some sleep. Unlike other people I don't get paid to hang out in this channel. |
| 23:40.21 | raster | yeah |
| 23:40.25 | raster | i know its structure |
| 23:40.31 | raster | i just dont know all the magic incantations |
| 23:40.39 | raster | theres many more incantations than cvs/svn |
| 23:40.47 | Kensan | raster: well yes. |
| 23:40.55 | Dave | heh |
| 23:41.02 | Dave | Buy a magic book? |
| 23:41.29 | Kensan | raster: have you read http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/everyday.html |
| 23:41.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | black magic |
| 23:41.32 | Kensan | ? |
| 23:41.45 | ljp | doesnt get paid to hang out in the channel, I just hang out in this channel at work :) |
| 23:42.01 | Kensan | lpj: I was hinting at somebody else from Australia... |
| 23:42.15 | Kensan | ehrm ljp that is |
| 23:42.39 | ezekiel-v3 | lpr, lpq, hpijs! |
| 23:42.40 | Kensan | lpotter lorn LORN Potter please pick one. |
| 23:42.43 | Kensan | *sigh* |
| 23:42.50 | Kensan | ;) |
| 23:43.05 | Kensan | seems like me brain is already in bed. |
| 23:43.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 23:44.08 | viq | Whom with? ;) |
| 23:44.54 | raster | Kensan: hmm no. thats handy |
| 23:45.15 | ljp | is not from Australia, I just hang out here to get free socialistic health care |
| 23:45.32 | Kensan | raster: well, that's like the first link everybody throws around... |
| 23:45.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | anybody any comments on EAP_SIM? |
| 23:46.33 | Kensan | raster: well if you convince Swisscom to invite you over Asahi& Eda-mame are on me *heh* |
| 23:47.05 | raster | ãããããã¼ã¼ã¼ï¼ |
| 23:47.32 | Kensan | raster: in ascii? |
| 23:47.44 | zash | utf8 ftw |
| 23:48.28 | raster | oishiiii----! |
| 23:48.55 | Kensan | right ;) |
| 23:49.30 | Kensan | raster: friends own a jpn restaurant ;) |
| 23:50.16 | Kensan | raster: but I bet you were drinking something other than Asahi... |
| 23:50.49 | raster | they actually brew asahi in .au |
| 23:50.56 | raster | u can get it many places |
| 23:51.00 | raster | tho there's better beers here |
| 23:51.00 | raster | :) |
| 23:52.20 | Kensan | raster: yeah, I guess so. There's also better beer around here ;) |
| 23:52.43 | raster | i'll just do what all japanese people do |
| 23:52.44 | raster | whihc is go |
| 23:52.47 | raster | "sugooiiiii" |
| 23:52.51 | Kensan | hahaha |
| 23:52.53 | raster | or "yabaaaai" (if girl) |
| 23:52.57 | raster | or "yaba!" if guy |
| 23:52.57 | Kensan | *subarashiiii" |
| 23:53.06 | raster | saikoooo! |
| 23:53.13 | Dave | oy |
| 23:53.14 | raster | oos! |
| 23:53.17 | Dave | Stop that, you two. |
| 23:53.21 | Kensan | nihongo wa umain desu neeeee |
| 23:53.26 | raster | kanpeeeei! |
| 23:53.26 | Kensan | banzai! |
| 23:53.28 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 23:53.36 | Dave | Kids. |
| 23:53.36 | raster | kitten |
| 23:53.38 | raster | :) |
| 23:53.39 | Kensan | Harrrooo |
| 23:53.55 | raster | henna gaijin da ne |
| 23:54.17 | Kensan | so damon |
| 23:54.40 | raster | needs to figure out why e drops its locale when illume starts.. lamost got japanses, chinese, portuguese, german, french, etc. etc. all working out of the box |
| 23:54.55 | raster | first boot.. e comes up. asks you for language |
| 23:55.02 | raster | should make our non-english homies most happy |
| 23:55.04 | Kensan | try swiss-german |
| 23:55.07 | Kensan | *muahaha* |
| 23:55.16 | raster | Kensan: if u want to provide a .po file..... |
| 23:55.21 | raster | more than happy to add it to the list |
| 23:55.21 | raster | :) |
| 23:55.22 | Kensan | hm... |
| 23:55.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | gruezi |
| 23:55.36 | Kensan | that would actually be fun |
| 23:55.40 | Kensan | lol |
| 23:55.45 | playya | or schwaebisch |
| 23:55.47 | Kensan | bärndütsch |
| 23:55.51 | Dave | Need translating doen? |
| 23:55.52 | Dave | done |
| 23:55.55 | raster | so far it's the best intl support i've seen for any app |
| 23:56.01 | raster | or desktop - mayb e except kde |
| 23:56.14 | raster | ie first thing it asks u - no fuss. is "what shall i speak" |
| 23:56.26 | Kensan | ok swiss-german would kick ass |
| 23:56.35 | *** join/#openmoko christooss (n=matic@BSN-30-72-27.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 23:57.11 | Kensan | well how much translation would that be? |
| 23:57.20 | raster | hmm |
| 23:57.26 | raster | right now i think we have about 1500 strings |
| 23:57.28 | raster | give or take |
| 23:57.35 | raster | but that will be an ever moving target |
| 23:57.54 | raster | and as we need to clean up for release - we'll likely redo a huge bunch of them to make them more "readable" |
| 23:58.38 | slaxxin | so will it be a few days before an openmoko package foe 4.4.2 qtx ? |
| 23:59.44 | Kensan | raster: ok. so basically all subprojects in e-svn with po/ would need a SG equivalent |
