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| 00:05.12 | Dave | geeze |
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| 00:05.24 | Dave | Spare us the salacious details, Sargun. :p |
| 00:05.38 | Dave | We don't want to know what you do with your bootstrap loader :p |
| 00:05.51 | Sargun | lol |
| 00:06.09 | Sargun | I hate this hardware |
| 00:14.01 | Dave | :( |
| 00:14.07 | Dave | Welcome to the club, Sargun... |
| 00:14.13 | Dave | Welcome to the fucking club :( |
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| 00:14.57 | Sargun | Well |
| 00:15.04 | Sargun | I'm convincing my boss |
| 00:15.07 | Sargun | to buy two OM |
| 00:15.48 | mwester | wonders why Sargun is trying to get fired? |
| 00:16.00 | Dave | :D |
| 00:16.12 | Dave | Maybe we wants to mindfuck his boss? |
| 00:16.20 | Dave | I like revenging! |
| 00:23.26 | Dave | :o |
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| 00:24.09 | Sargun | the OM isn't bad :-( |
| 00:24.43 | Dave | Perhaps your employment is, then? |
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| 00:27.56 | mwester | No, the FR isn't so bad -- as long as one knows what to expect when you get it. |
| 00:28.13 | mwester | It does a lot of things very well. |
| 00:35.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | mwester: actually the hw isn't that bad at all. most problems are sw, and sw is community as well as OM |
| 00:36.18 | Sargun | the HW has some issues |
| 00:36.23 | Sargun | the Calypso chipset sucks |
| 00:36.26 | Sargun | so does Glamo |
| 00:36.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | *sigh* |
| 00:37.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | what's wrong with calypso? |
| 00:38.27 | mwester | wonders where to start, beginning with the bouncing problem, then the sim cards that are not recognized, and also notes that it's so proprietary that not even OM -- with NDAs -- has all the code for it.... |
| 00:39.09 | mwester | And I'll also point out that the community CAN do software -- I've certainly done my share -- but we're stuck because the current show-stopper problems are with the glamo, and we have no docs. |
| 00:39.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | we are about to actually tackle #666 and #1024 |
| 00:39.57 | mwester | I know. OM has to; we cannot. So it is unfair to characterize the issues as just SW, and then suggest that the community can fix them. |
| 00:40.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | glamo is a showstopper? |
| 00:40.07 | mwester | Yes. |
| 00:40.09 | mwester | No resume. |
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| 00:40.50 | mwester | And with Harald's changes, the problem becomes more obvious -- and now some units display the white screen of nothingness when unblanking@! |
| 00:40.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | resume worked with 2007.2 |
| 00:41.06 | mwester | Also with Qtopia |
| 00:41.31 | mwester | It seems that with older kernels, certain user-space code does not tickle the problem, afaik. |
| 00:41.54 | mwester | But Andy can't get 2.6.26 to resume at all, regardless of userspace. |
| 00:42.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | well, sounds like sw then |
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| 00:43.24 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 00:43.30 | Dave | Hooray, more scrutiny please! :) |
| 00:43.40 | mwester | Maybe something that can be worked around in sw. I trust Andy on this issue; I don't have the equipment to get scope leads on the glamo lines to know myself. Apparently it just likes to go into a state where it holds nwait -- and locks up the entire device. |
| 00:43.59 | Sargun | brb |
| 00:44.00 | Sargun | love you |
| 00:44.01 | Sargun | err |
| 00:44.01 | Dave | How terrible! |
| 00:44.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | sure there are some hw issues. but to be it seems those aren't showstoppers - well except buzz and 666 1024 |
| 00:44.08 | Dave | Sargun, we like you too :) |
| 00:44.14 | mwester | Not a show stopper? |
| 00:44.27 | mwester | Yeah, if you never travel more than a few hours from an electrical outlet. |
| 00:44.29 | Dave | Well, not all of us, heh. |
| 00:44.35 | Dave | Mwester :) |
| 00:44.36 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:44.57 | d-b | dave i want your nick. so this is for you own good "I can't do that dave". ;) just kidding. |
| 00:47.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | mwester: I can hold FR in suspend for several days and it will resume. So clearly it's not a hw-bug you may call a showstopper |
| 00:48.32 | Dave | halsmites d-b |
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| 00:48.53 | mwester | DocScrutinizer2: mine works fine too. It seems that not all units are susceptible to the problem. But maybe when you see Andy you can tell him it's not a hw problem ;) |
| 00:49.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | boohoo hw is broken, it doesnt work wth new kernel?? |
| 00:49.37 | mwester | No need to getty pissy. |
| 00:50.10 | mwester | Just because it works when tickled in one particular way doesn't mean you can say it's not broken when used in a slightly different way. |
| 00:50.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | wasnt my intention :-) |
| 00:51.05 | mwester | If you believe that, then you could argue that the buzz is not a hw problem, because if the phone buzzed, then just go closer to the tower. If the phone won't resume, then just don't put the glamo into that mode, whatever that might be. |
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| 00:52.03 | mwester | But really, I don't care if it's HW or not -- clearly you do. I am a customer, I only care that it works properly, and someone needs to find a way to make it consistently resume. That seems to be hard to do, as the problem has been outstanding fora long time. |
| 00:52.10 | Dave | you gotta rub it the right way ;) |
| 00:52.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | #1 is silly, #2 is true |
| 00:52.26 | mwester | So since the docs are not out in the public, I guess it's Openmoko who has to fix it. Boohoo. |
| 00:52.26 | Dave | I guess Joerg knows how to properly "touch" his hardware ;) |
| 00:52.34 | Dave | Welcome back, Sargun :p |
| 00:52.38 | mwester | I didn't number anything. |
| 00:52.49 | Sargun | Is FIC making any money on the OM project? |
| 00:52.58 | Kensan | Dave: kinky stuff |
| 00:53.09 | Dave | :p |
| 00:53.51 | Kensan | Dave: you always put things in a different perspective. I don't know it that's good or bad... |
| 00:54.53 | mwester | Sargun: I'd be really surprised if Om would tell anyone that sort of info. |
| 00:55.06 | Sargun | you mean FIC |
| 00:55.09 | Sargun | I doubt they will |
| 00:55.12 | Dave | heh ;) |
| 00:55.15 | Sargun | but it would be really interesting to find out |
| 00:55.19 | mwester | Om is now a separate entity from FIC |
| 00:55.28 | Sargun | completely separate? |
| 00:55.33 | Dave | Yes. |
| 00:55.36 | Sargun | I thought FIC provided capital to OM |
| 00:55.38 | Dave | They broke up. |
| 00:55.39 | Sargun | why did they fork? |
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| 00:55.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | fic sucks ;-) |
| 00:55.54 | Sargun | Dave, they should have gone to marriage counseling. |
| 00:56.01 | Dave | relationship problems, as usual :) |
| 00:56.03 | Dave | huhu |
| 00:56.05 | Dave | :D |
| 00:56.27 | Sargun | haha |
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| 01:00.11 | Dave | high-fives Sargun |
| 01:00.25 | Sargun | FIC does suck |
| 01:00.37 | Sargun | I wonder how much $ they make on each device |
| 01:01.09 | Sargun | (OM that is) |
| 01:01.14 | Sargun | and how much they make on the HXD8v2 |
| 01:01.19 | Dave | Have someone leak it. |
| 01:01.35 | Sargun | and the HXD8v2's successor |
| 01:01.39 | Dave | I could find out how much they made per device anyway. |
| 01:01.42 | Sargun | I wonder when that is going to come out anyways. |
| 01:01.45 | Sargun | Dave, how? |
| 01:02.21 | Dave | I'll place a phonecall to them. |
| 01:02.57 | Dave | Not sure if they'd really tell us, but we did negotiate for our first batch which was price-reduced, I believe. |
| 01:03.09 | Sargun | would that actually work? |
| 01:03.15 | Sargun | It would be interesting to make OM's business backend "open" |
| 01:03.16 | Sargun | also |
| 01:03.20 | Sargun | well, more open then closed |
| 01:03.29 | Sargun | as in people can buy a small chunk of the company |
| 01:03.39 | Sargun | they should elect a board |
| 01:03.39 | Dave | Yeah |
| 01:03.39 | Sargun | etc |
| 01:03.51 | Dave | Maybe... |
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| 01:26.30 | slaxxin | very interesting how the todays om looks |
| 01:26.46 | slaxxin | base image anyways |
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| 02:09.03 | slaxxin | the illume keyboard keeps crashing on the latest om per |
| 02:09.24 | slaxxin | http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 02:10.13 | Dave | eh? |
| 02:10.20 | Dave | haha, link to planet |
| 02:10.32 | Sargun | hehe |
| 02:13.18 | slaxxin | Upgrading angstrom-version on root from 1:-20081026-r1 to 1:-20081027-r1.. |
| 02:14.50 | slaxxin | enlightenment still segv'd |
| 02:15.29 | slaxxin | looks like rasters keyboard |
| 02:16.35 | slaxxin | it just switches u back to the oem keyboard |
| 02:17.06 | Dave | err |
| 02:18.07 | raster | works for me :) |
| 02:18.22 | raster | mental note |
| 02:18.25 | raster | ... |
| 02:18.34 | raster | probably need to merge illume into e's code |
| 02:18.41 | slaxxin | /etc/network/interfaces had the dns info in there by default:) |
| 02:20.20 | raster | man people have horrible desks |
| 02:20.32 | Dave | and you, rasteR? |
| 02:20.37 | slaxxin | i was just messing around following the how to provided by the "dept" |
| 02:21.08 | mwester | looks at his desk critically |
| 02:21.22 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/desk-01.jpg |
| 02:21.25 | raster | nice and clean |
| 02:21.29 | slaxxin | somethings missing |
| 02:22.35 | raster | ok |
| 02:22.41 | raster | much better if i add "furniture |
| 02:23.10 | slaxxin | papers |
| 02:23.13 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 02:23.13 | raster | i just wanted a photo of a desk at a nice angle so i can svg-it up |
| 02:23.18 | techiem2-r | doesn't see enough computers |
| 02:23.21 | raster | without a desk full of junk |
| 02:23.27 | raster | so i went to flickr |
| 02:23.36 | raster | and searched for "Desk" |
| 02:23.40 | slaxxin | ahhh a nice mini itx |
| 02:23.41 | raster | man do people have grubby messy desks |
| 02:23.46 | mwester | looks at all his beloved clutter, and decides that he's happy with it the way it is ;) |
| 02:23.58 | raster | slaxxin: i dont do papers. |
| 02:24.03 | raster | they're a space-hog |
| 02:24.04 | slaxxin | i see that |
| 02:24.05 | raster | and kill trees |
| 02:24.06 | raster | :) |
| 02:24.18 | raster | and its actually micro-atx |
| 02:24.19 | raster | not mini |
| 02:24.29 | slaxxin | truly paperless |
| 02:24.32 | raster | so its a full normal desktop cpu + cards in there |
| 02:25.02 | slaxxin | yay i built a gbox blue several years ago |
| 02:25.06 | Dave | hehe, mwester :) |
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| 02:25.52 | slaxxin | it was the counterstrike go box |
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| 02:31.00 | techiem2-r | well since we're showing desks: http://techiem2.net/images/desk1.jpg http://techiem2.net/images/desk2.jpg |
| 02:31.03 | techiem2-r | :P |
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| 02:31.21 | Soulnoob | looks |
| 02:31.44 | techiem2-r | obviously it's usually not that clean |
| 02:31.44 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 02:31.47 | Dave | :p |
| 02:32.03 | Soulnoob | Big mug? |
| 02:32.14 | techiem2-r | gotta keep my water supply up |
| 02:32.15 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 02:32.27 | slaxxin | flightgear? |
| 02:32.38 | techiem2-r | I have it installed... |
| 02:32.40 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 02:32.41 | Soulnoob | I have one similar ^_^ |
| 02:32.46 | techiem2-r | haven't actually used my js in quite a while |
| 02:32.59 | techiem2-r | or the graphics tab.... |
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| 02:36.31 | Dave | techiem :D |
| 02:37.50 | techiem2-r | hehe |
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| 03:06.32 | raster | techiem2-r: at least your desk is reasonably neat |
| 03:06.33 | raster | :) |
| 03:06.47 | raster | though the rest of the room needs some... work |
| 03:06.48 | raster | :) |
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| 03:07.18 | techiem2-r | lol |
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| 03:08.17 | peepsalot | haven't touched my freerunner in a couple months, which distro should I try? |
| 03:08.49 | Dave | hah - yeah |
| 03:09.28 | slaxxin | do the planet latest first |
| 03:11.15 | slaxxin | http://www.tuxbrain.com/fdom_en.html |
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| 03:14.20 | slaxxin | base image looked pretty good |
| 03:15.00 | slaxxin | keeps segv the good keyboard |
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| 03:38.05 | slaxxin | fdom tangogps obtained fix in 2 minuits inside the house |
| 03:38.23 | slaxxin | no external antenea |
| 03:44.24 | vinicius | is that good? =P |
| 03:45.13 | slaxxin | i think so |
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| 03:47.01 | mwester | Did you update the kernel? |
| 03:47.04 | raster | thata fast |
| 03:47.59 | slaxxin | nope |
| 03:48.03 | mwester | wonders if the fdom/ASU distro now does the gps assist stuff, like FSO. |
| 03:49.02 | slaxxin | i used 20080913 kernel |
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| 04:52.57 | AceOfHertz | hey, I installed debian onto the freerunner and set it to always boot off the uSD card by default. Is there a way I can do a factory reset on the freerunner so that it'll start booting off flash again? |
| 04:54.50 | raster | ok |
| 04:54.59 | raster | illume is moving off to e's tree |
| 04:55.01 | raster | MUHAHAHAHAH |
| 04:55.55 | Sargun | uh? |
| 04:56.09 | slaxxin | mine never has booted to sd by default how dsid u do that? |
| 04:57.44 | AceOfHertz | I followed the instructions on the installing debian page |
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| 05:27.14 | gurugentoo | raster: is that good? |
| 05:27.35 | gurugentoo | easier to access? |
| 05:27.49 | gurugentoo | more official? |
| 05:28.49 | raster | if u havent seen the new wizard in e17 |
| 05:28.52 | raster | it wont make sense |
| 05:28.59 | raster | if u get e "fresh" |
| 05:29.02 | raster | rm -rf ~/.e |
| 05:29.06 | raster | get it from svn now |
| 05:29.21 | raster | adn build/install and select as your login session from your login manager |
| 05:29.24 | raster | it'll all become clear |
| 05:29.26 | raster | :) |
| 05:29.46 | gurugentoo | ah...I'll have to try that later |
| 05:29.48 | gurugentoo | cool |
| 05:30.07 | raster | let me just fix the illume build now its in e's tree |
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| 07:23.24 | geaaru | hi, i'm trying to do an update of my neo1973 to testing release |
| 07:23.37 | geaaru | but i have an error with openmoko-alsa-scenarios |
| 07:23.47 | geaaru | ERROR: Package openmoko-alsa-scenarios (parent openmoko-alsa-scenarios) is not available from any configured src. |
| 07:24.00 | geaaru | and if i try to install it directly i have this: |
| 07:24.10 | geaaru | Multiple packages (openmoko-alsa-scenarios and openmoko-alsa-scenarios) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. |
| 07:24.16 | geaaru | how can i resolve this problem? |
| 07:24.21 | geaaru | thanks in advance |
| 07:24.44 | geaaru | what means that package is not available from any configured src |
| 07:24.48 | geaaru | ? |
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| 08:00.17 | methril | morning |
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| 08:05.23 | CM_work | Morning |
| 08:07.06 | lindi- | AceOfHertz: just edit uboot configuration |
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| 08:38.10 | [df] | morning |
| 08:38.23 | [df] | what kernel should be used with qtx 4.4.1? the same one that came with 4.3.2? |
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| 10:15.08 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rf18d1617b3a8 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/parser.py: |
| 10:15.08 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: using yaml CLoader |
| 10:15.08 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: This make things faster, but there is a problem : it is not possible to tell yaml to automatically |
| 10:15.09 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: interpret the functions anymore, so we have to do it manually after each call to yaml.load, and iterate the structure |
| 10:15.14 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: looking for functions. It is really not a very good solution. |
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| 12:17.57 | TeNoVi | Hi! I am trying to install debian on my freerunner, but I've got a little problem. I am behind a firewall (school firewall) and can't get the rdate or ping working. Is it possible to skip rdate in the .sh file? |
| 12:20.31 | Daramarak | I am expecting my FR very soon, what can I expect from the 2008.9/10 system. Can I reliable place a phone call, send an sms and use the FR as an alarmclock? |
| 12:21.31 | Shlee | ffs. |
| 12:21.39 | Shlee | I turned on some server widget thing on qT |
| 12:21.44 | Shlee | and now I can never access the menu.. |
| 12:21.48 | Shlee | anyone know of a fix? |
| 12:21.57 | Shlee | I'll try and crash the widget or something |
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| 12:31.19 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 12:52.07 | edistar | raster: ping |
| 12:52.14 | raster | pong |
| 12:52.43 | edistar | raster: do you have more recent images than from the 11th october? |
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| 12:58.52 | raster | edistar: umm. no. i ahvent made any recently |
| 12:59.39 | edistar | ok, thanks for the info |
| 12:59.54 | raster | been busy on code |
| 12:59.55 | raster | not images |
| 12:59.56 | raster | :) |
| 13:00.36 | Kensan_ | raster: I have a current image |
| 13:00.51 | Kensan_ | raster: but I have no place to put it (yet) |
| 13:01.05 | raster | aaah |
| 13:01.17 | raster | everything has broken as of today for usre |
| 13:01.19 | raster | sure |
| 13:01.25 | raster | illume has moved to e's own tree |
| 13:01.26 | raster | ie the wm |
| 13:01.30 | raster | no separate thnig now |
| 13:01.35 | raster | so the illume packages need to go |
| 13:01.46 | raster | and the illume theme packeges are no longer needed |
| 13:01.52 | Kensan_ | raster: ah. right. |
| 13:01.56 | raster | all of it is out-of-the-box for e upstream (the wm itself) |
| 13:02.09 | raster | e's first run wizard will take care of it all |
| 13:02.13 | raster | offer u langauge choices |
| 13:02.16 | raster | and profiel choices |
| 13:02.17 | raster | etc. |
| 13:03.13 | Kensan_ | ah the wizard :) |
| 13:03.27 | raster | yes |
| 13:03.28 | raster | the wiz |
| 13:03.30 | raster | now |
| 13:03.33 | raster | if u have e17's svnj tree |
| 13:03.35 | raster | rm-rf ~/.e |
| 13:03.41 | raster | and rebuild al of e and the libs |
| 13:03.48 | raster | (i asume u have a script?) |
| 13:03.50 | raster | and run e |
| 13:03.51 | raster | and see |
| 13:03.52 | raster | :) |
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| 13:06.32 | Kensan_ | the script is called get_e.sh and was written by a compulsive scripter afaik |
| 13:06.33 | Kensan_ | ;) |
| 13:07.04 | Kensan_ | i'll give it a shot later tonight |
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| 13:13.31 | raster | hehe |
| 13:13.33 | raster | try it |
| 13:13.36 | raster | u'll like it |
| 13:13.45 | raster | basically illume setup is handheld for u |
| 13:13.49 | raster | as is desktop or any other setup |
| 13:14.01 | Kensan_ | alright |
| 13:14.03 | Kensan_ | l |
| 13:14.34 | Kensan_ | maybe I'll also get around cleanung up the bootstuff... |
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| 13:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | raster: moin! :) |
| 13:18.01 | raster | DocScrutinizer: boo |
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| 13:45.43 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9909d91194e1 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_triggers.py: |
| 13:45.43 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Fix IncomingMessage trigger (thanks quickdev) |
| 13:45.43 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: This follows the org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM API change from |
| 13:45.43 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: IncomingMessage to IncomingStoredMessage |
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| 14:20.56 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r4a630de01b4a 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix lock screen and remove suspend handling |
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| 14:27.58 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r186b42f04682 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): oeventsd: handle suspend as a rule |
| 14:27.58 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * reb67178c2183 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
| 14:36.36 | Daramarak | I am expecting my FR very soon, what can I expect from the 2008.9/10 system? Can I reliable place a phone call, send an sms and use the FR as an alarmclock? |
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| 14:40.29 | Hire2 | Daramarak: yes |
| 14:41.05 | Hire2 | because we will see openmoko 2008.10 that seems to be very stable |
| 14:41.08 | Hire2 | and android of google |
| 14:41.18 | Daramarak | Sounds very good |
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| 14:41.33 | viq | Well, there's that qtopia thing |
| 14:41.58 | Daramarak | Qtopia thing? |
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| 15:01.26 | orospakr | It's too bad that the usb gadget ethernet connection appears to get a new hardware address every time my neo is plugged in. |
| 15:01.51 | orospakr | Otherwise NetworkManager 0.7 would work very nicely for setting up the address automatically when I plug it in. |
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| 15:19.26 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07stabilization/milestone4 * r9182ea6fbf3d 10framework/ (conf/example/frameworkd.conf framework/persist.py): persist: add support for the pickle format and use it per default |
| 15:20.17 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r83328aadbb05 10/ (conf/example/frameworkd.conf framework/persist.py): Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' |
| 15:20.44 | zogg_ | g'day. |
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| 15:37.37 | Dave | Leinir! |
| 15:38.59 | leinir | curtsies :) |
| 15:39.08 | Dave | :) |
| 15:39.19 | Dave | pets the leinir |
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| 15:49.17 | slaxxin | i think the speakers need to be moved away from the mic position ha thats an engineering no-no |
| 15:49.38 | Skiessi | i think it should be cheaper |
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| 15:50.56 | slaxxin | another thing is asound tube on the mic port opening would stop ant resounding effect |
| 15:54.32 | slaxxin | is it everyone having the gsm reregistering problem of just some of us? |
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| 15:55.05 | slaxxin | i mean was it happening on all phones at some point? |
| 15:55.28 | slaxxin | or just certain ones? |
| 15:56.01 | Dave | Slaxxin: http://moko.mwester.net/brc.html |
| 15:56.23 | Dave | (#1024) |
| 15:56.40 | slaxxin | i tried the base image walk through provided on the planet an sure enough the reregistering problem was dead |
| 15:57.00 | slaxxin | also my sound was dead |
| 15:57.06 | Dave | :D |
| 15:57.08 | Dave | Cool |
| 15:57.11 | Dave | Everybody wins! |
| 15:57.15 | Dave | :P |
| 15:57.40 | slaxxin | i could call an the call could be answered but no sound either was |
| 15:57.51 | Dave | oh, shitty :p |
| 15:57.56 | slaxxin | either way |
| 15:58.02 | Dave | fuck |
| 15:58.12 | Dave | I think this device just OMSoD'ed |
| 15:58.30 | slaxxin | but the base image might just be with no sound i dont know |
| 15:58.45 | Dave | It shouldn't be. |
| 15:59.39 | slaxxin | well all i had was a settings icon although the /etc/network/interfaces was setup properly |
| 16:00.00 | slaxxin | with addresses installed |
| 16:00.26 | slaxxin | i didnt check the md5sums though |
| 16:01.09 | slaxxin | now im off to make money so i had to put fdom back on |
| 16:01.18 | slaxxin | bye dave |
| 16:02.42 | slaxxin | those daily reports on the planet are a very good thing |
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| 16:08.19 | ibex_ | @slaxxin: weird, I have sound on my base image |
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| 16:32.44 | SpeedEvil | Mobile phones can be dangerous! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7693386.stm (when combined with idiots) |
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| 16:38.31 | Dave | Geeze, that's terrible, Speedevil. |
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| 16:44.40 | Gromgull | i see the no icons in illume is now fixed in testing... does this mean only in the images or also for testing repository updates? |
| 16:44.51 | Gromgull | i have updated now and I still dont see icons |
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| 16:48.53 | dolf1074 | in the images, it is solved |
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| 16:49.11 | dolf1074 | I don't know if it is already solved in the updates |
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| 16:51.45 | bricode | dolf1074: Hi. Noticed you were trying to contact me over the weekend... |
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| 16:52.00 | Dave | Hello gentlemen. |
| 16:52.12 | CVirus | hi Dave |
| 16:52.25 | dolf1074 | just to ask if there is an update on the android thing |
| 16:53.57 | bricode | dolf1074: In the thick of it. Nothing notable at the moment. |
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| 16:55.07 | dolf1074 | So just doing further with the arm5 to arm4 'translation' |
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| 17:08.15 | Dave | Tasn. |
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| 17:12.35 | TAsn | hey |
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| 17:13.46 | Dave | :) |
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| 17:44.13 | Zorkman | is the FR capable of emulating a wii remote? |
| 17:45.05 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 17:45.06 | SpeedEvil | No camera |
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| 17:45.20 | CVirus | no infrared rather ? |
| 17:45.34 | SpeedEvil | The wii remote has an IR camera |
| 17:46.05 | CVirus | I see |
| 17:46.21 | Zorkman | k, just checking |
| 17:46.24 | Zorkman | thanks anyway |
| 17:47.42 | Dave | haha camera |
| 17:47.50 | Dave | haha Wii |
| 17:48.10 | Dave | hahaha Nintendo |
| 17:48.40 | CVirus | stfu |
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| 17:52.25 | sylar | hi |
| 17:53.24 | hero | stops time |
| 17:53.25 | sylar | news about Om 2008.10? We are near november.... |
| 17:54.04 | Dave | :o |
| 17:54.30 | Zorkman | i heard they are waiting to release it because it isn't b0rked enough as it is, they need to remove some functionality first |
| 17:54.39 | Dave | :P |
| 17:54.41 | Dave | hah hah |
| 17:57.03 | slaxxin | get the gun |
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| 17:59.41 | slaxxin | nope were going to use the stun gun first ...an if that don't turn u from your evil ways,, well then ,, might have to switch to the phaser |
| 18:00.11 | [df] | don't phase me, bro! |
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| 18:06.57 | geaaru | anyone could be said me a workaround to resolve this error: |
| 18:07.01 | geaaru | ERROR: Package openmoko-alsa-scenarios (parent openmoko-alsa-scenarios) is not available from any configured src |
| 18:07.23 | geaaru | on testing/om-gta01 repository |
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| 18:10.20 | Gnutoo | hello, was the pygtk _init bug fixed or should i bugreport? |
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| 18:10.32 | dolf1074 | it was solved in the base image |
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| 18:26.09 | Gnutoo | dolf1074, ok thanks |
| 18:26.14 | Dave | :) |
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| 18:42.34 | ccfly | hello :) |
| 18:43.54 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r308 10/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Added elm_layout_demo and some changes on python-elementary |
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| 18:49.33 | Kensan | dolf1074: ping |
| 18:51.57 | dolf1074 | pong |
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| 18:52.19 | Kensan | dolf1074: didn't I upload an illume-image to one of your servers? |
| 18:52.26 | dolf1074 | yup |
| 18:52.42 | dolf1074 | http://alasal.be/kensan/ |
| 18:53.06 | Kensan | dolf1074: I am building a new image. Would it be ok if I uploaded it there and to share it with some people? |
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| 18:53.15 | dolf1074 | ok |
| 18:53.23 | Kensan | dolf1074: do you pay for bandwidth etc? |
| 18:53.31 | dolf1074 | unlimited |
| 18:53.44 | Kensan | dolf1074: ok, that would be cool :) |
| 18:53.54 | Kensan | dolf1074: my own server is still not up :( |
| 18:54.06 | dolf1074 | not good ;( |
| 18:54.27 | Kensan | dolf1074: should be ready in 1 or 2 weeks though |
| 18:54.40 | dolf1074 | Do you need more space than the previous time? |
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| 18:55.03 | Kensan | dolf1074: the image should be a bit larger since it contains fso and a couple other apps but I don't think all that big... |
| 18:55.26 | Kensan | dolf1074: I don't know how big it will get since it's building atm |
| 18:55.42 | dolf1074 | ah ok |
| 18:55.58 | dolf1074 | with 80 mb, you will be okay? |
| 18:56.11 | Kensan | dolf1074: I hope so :) |
| 18:56.23 | Kensan | dolf1074: you can delete the other stuff |
| 18:56.26 | Kensan | btw |
| 18:56.34 | Kensan | dolf1074: well if you don't need it yourself that is *heh* |
| 18:56.49 | dolf1074 | I've already downloaded it ;) |
| 18:57.20 | Kensan | dolf1074: alright. I'll go for dinner and be back in a bit. |
| 18:57.25 | dolf1074 | okay |
| 18:57.27 | Kensan | dolf1074: the image should be done by then. |
| 18:57.32 | Kensan | dolf1074: thanks in advance! |
| 18:57.43 | dolf1074 | I will have my ftp settings done :p |
| 18:58.07 | Kensan | dolf1074: awesome! |
| 18:58.12 | Dave | Kensan. |
| 18:58.23 | Kensan|dinner | Dave? |
| 18:59.08 | Kensan|dinner | Dave: bbiab, you can pull my leg when I am back ;) |
| 18:59.39 | Dave | Alright |
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| 19:04.04 | sicu | Tonights entertainment: 'live leg pulling', and 'we party whilst the FR boots' ... prepare for an all-nighter |
| 19:04.23 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 19:05.33 | ronny | lol |
| 19:06.51 | Dave | Hallo ronny |
| 19:09.03 | TeLLuS | How do we get this #1024 calypso no deep sleep patch into om2008.9? Should it be in the same package qtopia-phone-x11-phonevendor-ficgta01vendor as in the echo patch? What is the MokoMakefile package to build? |
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| 19:09.55 | Dave | :[ |
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| 19:10.14 | ronny | yo Dave |
| 19:10.30 | ronny | im busy hacking an ide |
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| 19:22.18 | Bloodhound | hi all :) |
| 19:23.50 | Bloodhound | somebody here? :) |
| 19:24.14 | toggles_w | i'm sure you'll sniff somone out |
| 19:24.19 | Bloodhound | hehe oke cool |
| 19:24.32 | Bloodhound | i have just 2 days my new openmoko :) |
| 19:24.49 | Bloodhound | and im enjoying it :) |
| 19:26.16 | sicu | good good =] |
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| 19:27.52 | Wonka | just saw an iPod touch ad presenting some accelerometer based games |
| 19:28.29 | Wonka | a racing game where you steered your vehicle using the ipod in landscape mode as a steering wheel |
| 19:28.35 | Bloodhound | hehe |
| 19:28.39 | Wonka | should be possible with the FR too :) |
| 19:28.44 | Bloodhound | yes :) |
| 19:28.50 | Bloodhound | would be awesome :) |
| 19:28.57 | Wonka | some marble labyrint |
| 19:29.38 | Kensan | back |
| 19:29.53 | Bloodhound | is it a bug, that in qt extended when you recieved a new message, you will get all messages in your inbox again? |
| 19:29.58 | Kensan | Dave: so what's up? |
| 19:30.01 | Dave | Wonka! |
| 19:30.02 | Bloodhound | or is it a problem that i can solve? :) |
| 19:30.08 | Dave | Toggles :) |
| 19:31.05 | Wonka | wish i had more time for working on FOSS stuff... |
| 19:31.14 | Wonka | university sucks sometimes |
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| 19:31.25 | toggles_w | Dave: !-; |
| 19:31.40 | toggles_w | Wonka: not as bad as a real job |
| 19:32.26 | Wonka | toggles_w: nak. i got a student's job which may lead to a real job, and that would mean working from 9 to 18 |
| 19:32.41 | Wonka | toggles_w: university means much more time |
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| 19:42.26 | Kensan | dolf1074: ping |
| 19:42.33 | Kensan | dolf1074: I got the image |
| 19:42.38 | dolf1074 | ok |
| 19:42.56 | dolf1074 | how can you chat privately? |
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| 19:46.54 | bumbl | dolf1074: /query Kensan |
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| 19:47.29 | dolf1074 | bumbl: yes? |
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| 19:48.47 | bumbl | dolf1074: you asked how one could chat privately and i told you |
| 19:48.52 | bumbl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.16 | dolf1074 | ow, I already found it |
| 19:49.44 | dolf1074 | in chatzilla: right click -> user commands -> private chat :) |
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| 19:53.10 | slaxxin | wassup today |
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| 19:59.43 | Bloodhound | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.59 | Bloodhound | at least not at /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 20:00.53 | Bloodhound | its just the orginal openmoko card like i got it with the device, im not able to put it in my pc :x |
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| 20:10.02 | Dave | Bloodhound? |
| 20:10.12 | Dave | So you're not able to access it on your pc (via cardreader)? |
| 20:11.29 | Bloodhound | i dont have a cardreader yet :x tommorow im gona buy it |
| 20:11.50 | Bloodhound | but i have acces yo a windows pc with card reader |
| 20:11.57 | Bloodhound | but i dont wanna format it in fat |
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| 20:13.01 | Bloodhound | but the strange thing i see now, is some days ago i recovered /media/card/ just put a photo on it |
| 20:13.06 | Bloodhound | flashed my moko some thimes |
| 20:13.14 | Bloodhound | the picture is still there now |
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| 20:13.36 | Bloodhound | but there is not anything in /dev/ that looks my card |
| 20:13.39 | cjb_ie | Bloodhound: you could boot the windows pc with a livecd? |
| 20:13.41 | Bloodhound | and i want to install debian on it |
| 20:13.55 | Bloodhound | i could try that :) |
| 20:14.12 | Bloodhound | do you think when i formatted in ext2 it should be fine? |
| 20:14.49 | cjb_ie | dunno what the FR expects to find on the card, sorry |
| 20:15.03 | Bloodhound | oke. |
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| 20:15.42 | cjb_ie | but if you get to see what's on the card now, that might be a starting point |
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| 20:16.05 | FilipLinux4BE | Bloodhound: http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 20:16.32 | Bloodhound | :) |
| 20:16.39 | Bloodhound | im gona try to acces the card from the windows pc! |
| 20:16.44 | Bloodhound | thx for now i will give an update :) |
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| 20:26.57 | opentrinity | hi, i have a probòem with suspension...it does'nt work...(erasing /.e/e/ works, but after charging battery FR gos blank but not in suspension)...anybody know? |
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| 20:37.31 | opentrinity | OMG sorry for mistakes...i'm reading to get involved with OSM :-) |
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| 20:57.13 | Bloodhound | Its oke now with my FR :) |
| 20:57.19 | Bloodhound | card is showing up :) |
| 20:57.23 | Bloodhound | after formatting it in ext2 |
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| 21:34.52 | TeLLuS | How do we get this #1024 calypso no deep sleep patch into om2008.9? Can I use MokoMakefile for this? QtopiaOnX11 look like a completly separate package.. I'll try that anyway.. |
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| 21:53.38 | Dave | moo |
| 21:53.38 | CIA-50 | freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r309 10/trunk/python-elementary/src/ (elementary.pxd elementary.pyx window.pxd): First implementation of classes window and box |
| 21:55.09 | Kensan | Ghiottone: hi there. If I understand it correctly, you've also been looking at boottime. |
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| 21:56.38 | slaxxin | coo |
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| 21:58.06 | Kensan | Ghiottone: did you make progress there? |
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| 21:59.52 | Ghiottone | Kensan, hello |
| 21:59.58 | Dave | Greetings, Kensan. |
| 22:00.49 | Ghiottone | Kensan, yes I did some work to speed up boot time. But it was an year ago on gta01. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm working on other things at the moment |
| 22:02.13 | Kensan | Ghiottone: oh ok. I happened to stumble upon some of your postings on the ML about bootchart + mtd. afaik MTD does not provide iostats. |
| 22:02.19 | Kensan | Dave: hey there. |
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| 22:03.20 | Ghiottone | Kensan, yes, that was my realization too and it was confirmed by mtd developers |
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| 22:04.13 | Kensan | Ghiottone: ok, maybe one of the mtd devs is listening ;) |
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| 22:04.52 | Ghiottone | Kensan, but in a recent email on the devel mailing list Harald stated he gets some stats on his gta02 |
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| 22:05.21 | Ghiottone | Kensan, I contacted them directly and they said that /proc/diskstats made little sense for mtd devices |
| 22:05.33 | Ghiottone | Kensan, as they are very different from a common disk device |
| 22:05.59 | Ghiottone | Kensan, I guessed that this meant they weren't going to implement that |
| 22:06.15 | Ghiottone | Kensan, I tried it myself but lacked the knowledge and the time to learn it |
| 22:06.22 | Ghiottone | Kensan, so I stopped there |
| 22:07.36 | Ghiottone | Kensan, I also did some bootcharts. They are on the wiki at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro#BOOT_PHASE |
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| 22:08.07 | Kensan | Ghiottone: hm... yeah the mail from Harald confused me a bit since I don't get anything on my device. |
| 22:08.16 | Kensan | Ghiottone: yes, I've seen those thanks. |
| 22:08.25 | Ghiottone | Kensan, do you have a gta02 or 01? |
| 22:09.00 | Kensan | Ghiottone: I have both but I am primarily testing with GTA02 |
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| 22:09.52 | TehZorroness | can someone help me get my freerunner functioning? |
| 22:10.03 | TehZorroness | if he ants to play, sure |
| 22:10.07 | TehZorroness | bah |
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| 22:10.32 | Kensan | Ghiottone: hm well I think there should be a sensible way to measure IO for mtd devices... |
| 22:10.43 | TehZorroness | with either the 2008.8 or 2008.9 images, I get no wifi and no backlight, plus I can't shut the thing off |
| 22:10.44 | Kensan | Ghiottone: haven't looked into it though. |
| 22:10.55 | TehZorroness | no sound either |
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| 22:11.32 | Ghiottone | Kensan, the mtd developer said adding stats should have been a trivial task. If you have some basic linux kernel development skill youcould try |
| 22:13.12 | TehZorroness | do the 2008.8 or 2008.9 images work for the rest of you? |
| 22:13.15 | Kensan | Ghiottone: hm ok, havent looked into it. Guess it comes down to incrementing some values on write/read |
| 22:13.48 | Kensan | Ghiottone: did you ask on the mtd-ml? |
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| 22:14.19 | Ghiottone | Kensan, yes. I think the hardest part is to know where to put those inc instructions and which are the right var |
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| 22:14.33 | Ghiottone | Kensan, no I did it on the irc channel iirc |
| 22:14.37 | Kensan | Ghiottone: hehe yeah, |
| 22:16.06 | Kensan | Ghiottone: well thanks for the info. |
| 22:16.22 | Kensan | Ghiottone: what are you currently working on if I might ask? |
| 22:16.44 | Ghiottone | Kensan, np |
| 22:17.13 | Ghiottone | Kensan, openmoko related, I'm working to port my own microkernel operating system to gta01 |
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| 22:18.18 | Ghiottone | Kensan, and I seldom work on the google custom search engine for openmoko |
| 22:20.06 | TehZorroness | do you have to update the kernel aswell when you update from 2007.11 to 2008.8? |
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| 22:20.14 | Kensan | Ghiottone: sounds interesting. Do you have any links to the microkernel project you could share? |
| 22:20.50 | Kensan | raster: ping |
| 22:21.03 | Ghiottone | Kensan, sure. everything is open source. but there is very little for the ARM architecture as we have just started working on the port |
| 22:21.45 | Ghiottone | Kensan, but we are making progress. main url is at http://osso.sourceforge.net (http://sf.net/projects/osso) |
| 22:22.34 | Kensan | Ghiottone: well I am interested in microkernel stuff in general too so thats good news :) |
| 22:22.37 | Ghiottone | Kensan, but is a bit outdated. an other one with some other info is at http://aiurlano.netsons.org/joomla/osso/ |
| 22:23.03 | Ghiottone | Kensan, great! we are looking for interested developers that want to join the project |
| 22:23.10 | raster | Kensan: pong! |
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| 22:24.28 | Kensan | Ghiottone: heh well I've got my own couple projects so time is tight... :) |
| 22:24.48 | Kensan | Ghiottone: but I always like to look at new and interesting stuff |
| 22:24.54 | Kensan | raster: sent you some patches. |
| 22:25.10 | Ghiottone | Kensan, yeah I understand. everybody always need more time! |
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| 22:25.30 | Kensan | Ghiottone: yeah... well it's the same for everyone. |
| 22:26.22 | Ghiottone | Kensan, are you keeping an eye on some other microkernel project? |
| 22:27.49 | Kensan | Ghiottone: nah not really. just on and off but not at the code level. |
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| 22:29.24 | TehZorroness | anybody home? |
| 22:29.36 | raster | Kensan: saw! :) |
| 22:30.38 | Kensan | raster: I am waiting for your dismissfull and NACK with a couple aussie swearwords I haven't heard before *heh* |
| 22:30.50 | raster | HAHAHAHAHA |
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| 22:31.37 | Kensan | raster: or whatever other language you prefer to swear in. |
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| 22:32.24 | Dave | Kensan, what if anything have you discovered about the booting? |
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| 22:32.30 | Dave | Raster, my gang grows! |
| 22:32.53 | Dave | I am going to become a well-armed illume-inated madman, fear me. |
| 22:32.59 | raster | Kensan: it's on my queue - unfortunately its a growing queue :( |
| 22:33.00 | Kensan | Dave: that it still sucks? |
| 22:34.27 | Kensan | raster: no worries, it's all minor stuff. I am trying to put all the stuff I simply hacked into the phone into nice patches that could go into oe but it's not that easy to integrate device/distro specific stuff into oe. |
| 22:34.28 | Dave | :( |
| 22:34.33 | Dave | That's not a new discovery :( |
| 22:34.33 | Kensan | raster: need to get the hang of that. |
| 22:34.42 | TehZorroness | Guys, what distros do you run on your phones? |
| 22:34.55 | Kensan | Dave: well I got the illume-image from 1min 50 secs to 50 secs |
| 22:34.58 | raster | Kensan: :) |
| 22:35.05 | raster | once u get the hang of doifn it at the oe/build level |
| 22:35.08 | raster | it gets easier |
| 22:35.24 | Kensan | Dave: but that's WITHOUT any fso/phone stuff. |
| 22:35.29 | Dave | oh :| |
| 22:35.32 | Kensan | Dave: which will add another 40 secs at least |
| 22:35.35 | Dave | so it's a bittersweet success. |
| 22:35.38 | Dave | yeah |
| 22:35.52 | Dave | oh well, not THAT bad. |
| 22:35.53 | Kensan | Dave: good thing is, that I have not looked at kernel&bootloader at all. Qi should help a lot |
| 22:36.02 | Dave | Yeah, it should :) |
| 22:36.08 | Dave | I look foward to hearing more about it. |
| 22:36.29 | Kensan | Dave: and I am sure there's still a lot of room for improvement. I am just putting some of the stuff into patches so I can feed them to raster ;) |
| 22:37.13 | Dave | Yeah, it's good! |
| 22:37.16 | Kensan | Dave: well the OM people are working on it too so I am sure they will come up with other stuff. Plus Harald seems to be looking into it so you can def. expect improvements from him :) |
| 22:37.33 | Dave | yeah, of course, but then time is just the key factor :P |
| 22:37.40 | Dave | of which om tends to lack. |
| 22:37.48 | Dave | or misplace, time and time again. |
| 22:37.50 | Dave | :| |
| 22:38.10 | Kensan | well we will see. |
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| 22:38.22 | Kensan | damnit |
| 22:38.39 | Kensan | I get the "over-current change on port ?" again. |
| 22:38.50 | Kensan | something is off either with my notebook or my FR |
| 22:38.57 | Dave | o_O |
| 22:38.58 | Kensan | it draws too much power |
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| 22:39.02 | Dave | rut roh |
| 22:39.09 | Dave | I hope the issue does not escalate :D |
| 22:39.21 | Kensan | anybody got hints on how to debug? |
| 22:39.34 | Kensan | because now I can't get at the logs from FR: |
| 22:40.09 | Kensan | hm I don't think this is particularly good for the device... the screen flickers. |
| 22:40.26 | Dave | :( |
| 22:40.27 | Dave | bad. |
| 22:41.21 | Kensan | hm I guess it's a FR issue... |
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| 22:43.17 | F4t | hey all, i just wanted you all to know that Synergy on debian on the moko works prefectly! its simply amazing, mouse and keyboard and all... :) |
| 22:43.22 | pb_ | I imagine the screen flickering is just because your laptop is turning the power on and off. it probably isn't doing the FR any real harm. |
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| 22:43.52 | Kensan | pb_: hm ok. |
| 22:43.59 | pb_ | if you're seeing overcurrent messages then either the FR is drawing more than its 500mA entitlement, or it's drawing more than 100mA without warning the host in advance. |
| 22:44.03 | Kensan | pb_: would you know why that happens? |
| 22:44.12 | Kensan | pb_: ok that makes sense |
| 22:44.20 | Dave | pb, likely the latter |
| 22:44.24 | cga | raster: hi raster, my compliments for the new E17 theme. it simply kicks asses. really elegant and classy. can't wait for E17 to come out in the light. (sorry for OT anyone); my compliments on elementary too. =) |
| 22:44.29 | FilipLinux4BE | Kensan: have you got FR on the same hub as some other device ? |
| 22:44.29 | cga | ciao Dave |
| 22:44.46 | Kensan | pb_: do you have any pointers on usb-debugging? |
| 22:44.50 | Dave | cga :) |
| 22:44.54 | Kensan | FilipLinux4BE: no it's the only device plugged in. |
| 22:44.55 | cga | =) |
| 22:45.08 | Dave | Kensan, what is it currently pulling? |
| 22:45.29 | FilipLinux4BE | the only time I ever had an usb over-current was with a faulty usb cable |
| 22:45.49 | Dave | I've gotten it a few times |
| 22:45.59 | Dave | once because I had a card reader plugged into the same bus |
| 22:46.05 | Dave | and didn't realize it was fucking things up |
| 22:46.18 | Kensan | Dave: how can I tell? |
| 22:46.35 | Dave | and the other time was because I was trying to write a charging app, and fucked up the parameters :D |
| 22:46.53 | cga | well good night everyone. |
| 22:46.55 | Dave | kensan, there are a number of available battery monitoring apps which will tell you this |
| 22:46.59 | cga | go mokos go! |
| 22:47.16 | FilipLinux4BE | Kensan: linux or windows host ? |
| 22:47.26 | Kensan | FilipLinux4BE: linux |
| 22:47.29 | pb_ | Kensan: "lsusb -v" should tell you how much power the FR is claiming to draw |
| 22:47.47 | FilipLinux4BE | http://www.kroah.com/linux-usb/ |
| 22:48.27 | FilipLinux4BE | is you're using a notebook, some ports might be on the same hub internally (like mouse or integrated webcam) |
| 22:48.39 | Kensan | seems like 0100 |
| 22:48.44 | pb_ | assuming the FR is the same as the gta01, if it says that it's in "fast charging" mode then it will be drawing 500mA. |
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| 22:49.32 | pb_ | Kensan: look for a line that says "MaxPower" |
| 22:49.45 | Kensan | pb_: oh, that's at 0mA |
| 22:49.46 | Kensan | ... |
| 22:49.47 | Kensan | hm |
| 22:50.11 | pb_ | hm, that doesn't sound good |
| 22:50.24 | Dave | heh |
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| 22:56.02 | ljp | hey pb_ |
| 22:57.25 | Dave | LJP |
| 22:57.43 | slaxxin | in theopenmoko device section |
| 22:57.43 | raster | cg :) |
| 22:57.56 | raster | bah too late |
| 22:58.09 | Dave | hehe |
| 22:58.18 | Dave | I need to flash another freerunner |
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| 22:59.47 | slaxxin | what u gonna put on it dave:)? |
| 23:00.11 | Dave | ILLUME |
| 23:00.20 | F4t | put DEBIAN! |
| 23:00.29 | slaxxin | the latest stuff? |
| 23:00.38 | pb_ | hi ljp |
| 23:01.21 | slaxxin | can the daily image change from 1 hour to the next? |
| 23:01.50 | Dave | drift? |
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| 23:02.53 | slaxxin | which pkg u putting on Dave? |
| 23:03.40 | Dave | Did I not just say? |
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| 23:04.47 | slaxxin | well the latest daily has illun=me then rasters image |
| 23:05.03 | Dave | English please. |
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| 23:07.46 | slaxxin | cuz i done told ye son rasters stuff or the latest daily are yer only choices |
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| 23:07.54 | slaxxin | haha |
| 23:07.57 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.06 | CVirus | tf ? |
| 23:08.08 | Dave | WE ARE NOT AMUSED. |
| 23:08.13 | slaxxin | sorry |
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| 23:10.52 | slaxxin | elvis would has said it that way |
| 23:11.01 | Dave | ... |
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| 23:24.05 | Dave | does the raster dance |
| 23:29.51 | Dave | Mek |
| 23:30.47 | TehZorroness | I just tried 4 distributions |
| 23:30.58 | TehZorroness | I get no audio in any of them |
| 23:31.12 | TehZorroness | on my freerunner |
| 23:31.55 | Dave | haha, wow. |
| 23:32.44 | lindi- | TehZorroness: audio should be kernel thing |
| 23:33.10 | lindi- | TehZorroness: different distros probably won't help there |
| 23:33.15 | TehZorroness | what kernel would be appropriate for Om2008.8? |
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| 23:34.58 | lindi- | TehZorroness: no idea, i haven't managed to compile om2008.8 |
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| 23:35.48 | TehZorroness | I was trying to use the image linked from the wiki page |
| 23:36.10 | lindi- | TehZorroness: i don't do development with systems i can't compile :( |
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| 23:38.05 | TehZorroness | makes sense. What are you running then? I'll kill for something that at least functions as a phone :) |
| 23:38.27 | poetic | tihi, i suddenly realized the joys of freedom.. was typing an url ending in .org on freerunner.. suggestions: orgy orgasm etc, that would never happen on T9 |
| 23:38.52 | Dave | :D |
| 23:39.08 | Dave | poetic: you cannot use predictive texting to do anything useful. |
| 23:40.28 | poetic | Dave: still more useful than T9 where the thought police serves the predictions ;) |
| 23:40.42 | Dave | bah, fuck that |
| 23:40.57 | Dave | at least now we get what we want when we start typing f..u..c... |
| 23:41.02 | Dave | and get the correct tenses too :D |
| 23:41.14 | Dave | also for motherfucker, etc. :) |
| 23:41.17 | Dave | Hey, it's quite useful. |
| 23:41.31 | lindi- | TehZorroness: debian |
| 23:41.51 | TehZorroness | ahh. What I'm running right now :) |
| 23:41.59 | TehZorroness | (on the desktop) |
| 23:42.34 | lindi- | TehZorroness: i can play and record audio with linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02 20080903.git2ea34171-2 |
| 23:44.40 | Dave | haha eww, it's so iphone |
| 23:44.53 | Dave | lindi, have you tried 2.6.26 yet? |
| 23:45.08 | lindi- | Dave: nope |
| 23:45.13 | Dave | okay. |
| 23:45.22 | lindi- | enough issues already |
| 23:45.36 | Dave | True enough :D |
| 23:45.51 | lindi- | wlan issue is most irritating at the moment |
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| 23:46.27 | Dave | Isn't there more than one issue surrounding that? |
| 23:46.48 | lindi- | probably |
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| 23:46.59 | chi | got any tips on how to not use the phone while it's charging for the fisrt time? |
| 23:47.05 | chi | can't resist |
| 23:47.07 | chi | =/ |
| 23:47.24 | Dave | heehee |
| 23:47.31 | Dave | occupy with something else |
| 23:47.33 | TehZorroness | lindi-, thanks for the advice so far :) |
| 23:48.07 | Dave | chi, make sure it's charging at 1A to relieve your apprehension sooner :P |
| 23:48.49 | Dave | Furthermore, why not use it while it's plugged in? |
| 23:49.28 | Dave | Raster - I demand more sexy applications! |
| 23:50.29 | lindi- | i don't understand why anybody would want to spend time in developing pretty UIs at this point but of course they are free to do that :) |
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| 23:52.00 | raster | Dave: working on elementary |
| 23:52.29 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/elementary-1to1.png |
| 23:52.34 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/elementary-2to1.png |
| 23:52.50 | raster | (just showing the ability to scale to the ui) |
| 23:53.03 | Dave | hmm |
| 23:53.14 | poetic | raster: nice looks |
| 23:53.50 | raster | and just all the test dialogs/widgets so far |
| 23:54.10 | Dave | crazy! |
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| 23:55.40 | poetic | are there any update feeds for the qt extended 4.4.1 jffs2 linked from the wiki? the only i can find is http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.2.2/arm which doesnt work (trying to use Settings > Software Packages) |
| 23:55.51 | raster | Dave: it'[s coming along nicely |
| 23:56.00 | Dave | Yes, I can see that... :) |
| 23:56.13 | raster | priority is a good set of base widgets |
| 23:56.19 | raster | and then build up bit by bit higher-level ones |
| 23:56.24 | raster | some are beginign |
| 23:56.24 | Dave | Yeah |
| 23:56.29 | raster | the notepad widget is a higherlevel one |
| 23:56.35 | raster | its 3 lines of code to make a test editor |
| 23:56.38 | raster | text |
| 23:56.44 | raster | will do the save/load for u |
| 23:56.48 | raster | so just type |
| 23:57.00 | Dave | I wish menu scrolling could be smooth. |
| 23:57.06 | raster | handy for simple "add a box for a user to write a note/some text" in an app |
| 23:57.10 | Dave | It's always so depressing with all the power the device has got. |
| 23:57.27 | raster | it can be smooth |
| 23:57.36 | Dave | What, with 500M swap? |
| 23:57.38 | raster | but you lose features and create a headache in the gfx pipeline |
| 23:57.54 | raster | no |
| 23:58.00 | raster | u need to just sue xcopyarea |
| 23:58.05 | raster | instead of repaints |
| 23:58.09 | raster | BUT |
| 23:58.14 | Dave | :| |
| 23:58.15 | raster | that means u ONLY coyp an area |
| 23:58.18 | raster | copy |
| 23:58.20 | Dave | I see |
| 23:58.24 | raster | u cant have a ntarnslucent overlay |
| 23:58.25 | Dave | instead of redrawing everything? |
| 23:58.27 | raster | or shadowing |
| 23:58.37 | Dave | Fucky |
| 23:58.38 | raster | or alpha blending onto a background (that doesnt also scroll) |
| 23:58.43 | raster | basiclly thig |
| 23:58.46 | raster | firefox |
| 23:59.04 | Dave | uggh, what shit :( |
| 23:59.11 | raster | http://www.brownielocks.com/fixedbackground.html |
| 23:59.12 | raster | that |
| 23:59.14 | raster | where bg is fixed |
| 23:59.37 | raster | notice scrolling is slower in firefox |
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| 23:59.58 | raster | that when the bg is not fixed |
