| 00:00.00 | raster | very hefty |
| 00:00.10 | raster | its worse on the treo650 |
| 00:00.10 | raster | as u only have 32m ram |
| 00:00.14 | Dave | treo treo treo |
| 00:00.20 | raster | and so basically disk cache gets thrashed sensless |
| 00:00.22 | Dave | zire zire zire |
| 00:00.37 | raster | as u basically go down to "no spare ram left" |
| 00:00.45 | raster | or very very little |
| 00:00.58 | raster | unfortunately i have to work on a widget set |
| 00:01.03 | raster | and a window manager |
| 00:01.05 | raster | and illume |
| 00:01.07 | raster | and... |
| 00:01.12 | Kensan | raster: yes, you have enough on your hands as it is |
| 00:01.15 | raster | i dont have time to also go rewrite fso :) |
| 00:01.22 | Dave | hah |
| 00:01.27 | Dave | Raster stick to illume please :) |
| 00:01.42 | Kensan | raster: and I take the remaining "irc cycles" hehe |
| 00:01.44 | raster | but imho someone should take it on themselevs to look at least at some of fso |
| 00:01.46 | raster | a subs3et of it |
| 00:01.51 | raster | and start writing it in c |
| 00:01.56 | Kensan | raster: gsm |
| 00:02.00 | raster | yes |
| 00:02.01 | raster | for starters |
| 00:02.10 | raster | focus on 1 important and doable part |
| 00:02.11 | alphaone | well, there |
| 00:02.12 | Dave | raster, what's it written in presently? |
| 00:02.17 | raster | write at leats all the dbus stubs in c |
| 00:02.18 | alphaone | 's gsmd2 |
| 00:02.20 | BobOfDoom | Dave: python |
| 00:02.23 | raster | then fill them in from logic in the python code |
| 00:02.24 | Dave | all of it? |
| 00:02.36 | Kensan | alphaone: hm have not heard of it, what is it? |
| 00:02.38 | BobOfDoom | Dave: except the gsmmuxd |
| 00:02.43 | Dave | okay, makes sense |
| 00:02.45 | Dave | Hey bob :P |
| 00:02.49 | BobOfDoom | Dave: but they have some plan to do part of it vala |
| 00:02.49 | Dave | Was looking for you earlier |
| 00:02.54 | Dave | haha |
| 00:02.57 | Dave | what's next, scheme? |
| 00:03.23 | alphaone | Kensan: Basically a gsmd written in C using the FSO dbus api |
| 00:03.27 | Dave | man, and I was just getting the hang of python :p |
| 00:03.32 | alphaone | or an earlier version thereof |
| 00:03.35 | Dave | hey alphaone :) |
| 00:03.38 | alphaone | hey |
| 00:03.40 | Kensan | alphaone: oh! who is doing that? |
| 00:03.49 | Kensan | alphaone: you are on the fso team right? |
| 00:03.56 | alphaone | Kensan: Forgot the name.. Was some company |
| 00:03.57 | alphaone | yeah |
| 00:04.01 | Dave | What will be the future of ogsmd? |
| 00:04.32 | raster | fso is nice with its dbus api |
| 00:04.36 | raster | and centralising of control |
| 00:04.40 | Dave | yes... |
| 00:04.44 | Dave | except when dbus fails to load |
| 00:04.52 | raster | but the overhead it brings in is pretty huge :( |
| 00:04.57 | Dave | yep |
| 00:05.00 | Dave | *hiss* |
| 00:05.10 | Kensan | alphaone: just to explain myself: I don't want you to have the impression that I think fso is crap etc. It's the "only" thing that progresses steadily and I think it's very cool :) |
| 00:05.14 | raster | i really expected it to be minimal |
| 00:05.15 | alphaone | raster: I know... |
| 00:05.35 | raster | but i'm learning more and more not to think of minimal and python in the same sentence |
| 00:05.36 | raster | :) |
| 00:05.39 | Dave | so then that accounts for the mighty overhead of fso? |
| 00:05.47 | alphaone | Dave: Future? The future is bright. Always was and always will be :-) |
| 00:05.49 | Dave | blasphemy? :p |
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| 00:05.54 | raster | alphaone: i know u guys are tyrying to get it to "work" |
| 00:05.54 | Dave | alphaone, I hope so :) |
| 00:05.59 | raster | thats cool |
| 00:06.23 | Kensan | alphaone: we will see if/when gsmd2 is released. |
| 00:06.24 | Dave | don't worry raster, you're pretty lean :p |
| 00:06.30 | Dave | gsmd2? |
| 00:06.35 | raster | but as long as it has the overhead it does - it'll be a "proof of concept prototype" - not a production or close to production thing :( whihc sucks |
| 00:06.44 | raster | Dave: actually have been ona diet |
| 00:06.44 | alphaone | raster: Jan is currently experimenting with integrating vala and python code. |
| 00:06.55 | Dave | sounds kinky |
| 00:07.00 | Dave | raster, how's it working out? :) |
| 00:07.03 | alphaone | So we can put bits and pieces in vala (C) |
| 00:07.10 | raster | Dave: e's source package has gone from 32m to 3.5m in the last 2 days :) |
| 00:07.11 | Dave | alpha, sounds good :) |
| 00:07.17 | Kensan | alphaone: good :) |
| 00:07.23 | Dave | raster, uhh... |
| 00:07.25 | raster | lost about 5-6mb of installed data files |
| 00:07.31 | Dave | makes me wonder what happened to all the weight :p |
| 00:07.39 | Dave | is it in jars in your closet? :p |
| 00:07.42 | BobOfDoom | hmm |
| 00:07.42 | raster | Dave: new defaulr theme |
| 00:07.42 | BobOfDoom | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=gsmd2.git;a=tree |
| 00:07.42 | raster | :) |
| 00:07.47 | Dave | oh yeah |
| 00:07.49 | raster | alphaone: let's see. |
| 00:07.50 | Dave | is your git repo fixed yet? |
| 00:07.51 | BobOfDoom | http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Implementations/GSMD2 |
| 00:07.56 | BobOfDoom | http://wordpress.com/tag/gsmd2/ |
| 00:07.56 | Dave | thanks Bob |
| 00:08.03 | alphaone | right, it's even hosted on fso |
| 00:08.06 | raster | alphaone: i have no idea about vala - but seems some fancy c-code-generator |
| 00:08.26 | alphaone | raster: It basically makes working with gobject bearable |
| 00:08.32 | raster | HAHAHAH |
| 00:08.36 | raster | oh ok |
| 00:08.50 | raster | alphaone: i was tempted to stub out an ogsmd in c the other day |
| 00:08.59 | alphaone | heh |
| 00:08.59 | raster | at least imeplement all the dbus calls and signals |
| 00:09.05 | raster | and just have stub code inside |
| 00:09.09 | Kensan | hm finnish company |
| 00:09.11 | raster | waiting to "fill with logic" |
| 00:09.15 | alphaone | raster: especially ogsmd is not that easy |
| 00:09.32 | raster | alphaone: not that hard. i have libefso sitting here. |
| 00:09.40 | alphaone | sure, stub the dbus api is no real problem. the string/AT parsing is a bitch... |
| 00:09.42 | raster | alphaone: well the api/stubs |
| 00:09.51 | raster | and yeah |
| 00:09.58 | raster | that bit is the bit i dont necessarily want |
| 00:09.59 | raster | but then |
| 00:10.08 | raster | just write an "at-parser" helper blob of code |
| 00:10.11 | raster | and it should not be bad |
| 00:10.15 | Kensan | spyre: ping |
| 00:10.22 | raster | eg |
| 00:10.36 | raster | edje_cc - once i wrote the parser, adding new thnigs to parse and encode is childs play |
| 00:10.39 | alphaone | heh |
| 00:10.42 | raster | entirely trivial |
| 00:10.46 | Kensan | read in the wiki spyre is gsmd2 dev |
| 00:10.52 | Dave | oh wow |
| 00:10.56 | raster | but u need to invest in the "makes the parsing trivial for me" code first |
| 00:11.08 | raster | i never want to hand-parse in c if u have significant parsing to do |
| 00:11.10 | alphaone | raster: Do what you must, but the AT command set is not what you would call "intelligent design" |
| 00:11.15 | raster | c is pain to hand-parse with |
| 00:11.17 | Dave | haha |
| 00:11.23 | raster | i can understand why people like paerl and pyton |
| 00:11.24 | Dave | it... uhh "works" |
| 00:11.31 | raster | if u spend a lot of your day parsing mountains of goop |
| 00:11.31 | Dave | raster: good :) |
| 00:11.32 | raster | :) |
| 00:11.39 | Dave | yep |
| 00:11.50 | alphaone | raster: yeah |
| 00:12.00 | alphaone | would be cool if we could integrate that closer |
| 00:12.09 | Dave | raster, I used to write parsers in perl |
| 00:12.11 | raster | alphaone: no time to do anythign at the moment. got my plate full |
| 00:12.12 | raster | :) |
| 00:12.24 | alphaone | keep in python what would be a PITA otherwise, all the rest in C |
| 00:12.35 | Dave | logical |
| 00:12.43 | Dave | keep more of your sanity :) |
| 00:12.46 | Dave | and speed progress along |
| 00:13.02 | alphaone | raster: Heh, I know you would be crazy enough to actually do that :-) |
| 00:13.24 | raster | alphaone: i would. it's just a matter that priorities call for me to do other things. |
| 00:13.30 | raster | alphaone: maybe i'm just nuts |
| 00:13.35 | raster | i dont have a problem doing everything in c |
| 00:13.54 | raster | but i've been pretty much doing everything in c for over a decade |
| 00:13.59 | Kensan | raster: yeah, some would consider that condition to need medical treatment |
| 00:14.06 | Kensan | ;) |
| 00:14.08 | raster | i've probably written a million lines of c in that time |
| 00:14.16 | raster | so a bit of parsing in c isn't much of a hassle |
| 00:14.26 | raster | but i'm probably not the norm |
| 00:14.32 | alphaone | :-) |
| 00:14.34 | raster | thats why i like to make libs of things i do :) |
| 00:14.43 | ronny | usualy people fail at c |
| 00:14.48 | raster | export the work to others in an easy-to-use packaged up lib |
| 00:14.49 | raster | :) |
| 00:14.49 | Kensan | raster: mind you: a lot of unis don't teach C etc |
| 00:15.01 | raster | Kensan: i know |
| 00:15.02 | raster | it's a shame |
| 00:15.03 | BobOfDoom | yeah that's just insane |
| 00:15.14 | BobOfDoom | C is fundamental |
| 00:15.16 | alphaone | Okay, I got to go to bed now, good night |
| 00:15.17 | raster | yup |
| 00:15.19 | Kensan | raster: there's no 2.0 thingy going on in the C world ;) |
| 00:15.23 | raster | imho unis should START with assembly |
| 00:15.29 | raster | a nice asm |
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| 00:15.30 | ronny | c is kinda sadening |
| 00:15.33 | Kensan | alphaone: night |
| 00:15.35 | raster | like 68k or arm |
| 00:15.37 | Kensan | gotta hit the sack too |
| 00:15.41 | ronny | one has to look out for all the little details |
| 00:15.49 | ronny | else the program blows up |
| 00:15.52 | ronny | BADLY |
| 00:15.59 | Kensan | raster: asm is a rough start if you don't know anything about writing code at all. |
| 00:16.12 | raster | ronny: knowing details becomes instinctive habit after a while |
| 00:16.22 | raster | ronny: the problem is when u stop paying attention to details |
| 00:16.27 | raster | u create lazy programmers |
| 00:16.37 | Kensan | raster: but there's SUCH a body of code that's C (/C++) that you would think you can't just ignore it. |
| 00:16.42 | raster | and there's a reason u need 100* the clockrate to do the same thing u used to do |
| 00:16.52 | raster | because programmers got lazy |
| 00:17.02 | BobOfDoom | actually I'd argue that asm is a fairly easy start.. well a nice ASM anyway |
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| 00:17.16 | BobOfDoom | ok so it takes a lot of effort to get things done |
| 00:17.22 | BobOfDoom | but it's easy to understand what's happening |
| 00:17.32 | BobOfDoom | since everything is so simple |
| 00:17.39 | raster | it makes u appreciate the machine |
| 00:17.43 | raster | and how stuff actually works |
| 00:17.46 | raster | everythng is a number |
| 00:17.53 | raster | datatypes are artificial constructs |
| 00:17.57 | raster | so are objects |
| 00:18.02 | raster | below all of that goop |
| 00:18.04 | ronny | raster: these days safe languags and fast code dont gap as much as they did - feature-blar and stupid algorithms eat most os the stuff tho |
| 00:18.05 | raster | is a blob of bytes |
| 00:18.06 | Kensan | I think it's a bit too extreme. not everybody is going to do plumbing at the end of the day |
| 00:18.19 | raster | ronny: i entirely disagree |
| 00:18.41 | Kensan | but a good understanding of how a machine actually works is very important. |
| 00:18.45 | raster | ronny: the headlong run into things like pyton are awful |
| 00:18.48 | raster | python |
| 00:18.55 | Dave | uh oh, it's ronny |
| 00:19.04 | raster | i measured about a 300x overhead for python code |
| 00:19.06 | ronny | raster: python is a speed disaster - no point in denying that |
| 00:19.12 | raster | to do the exact same thgn as c |
| 00:19.12 | Dave | haha |
| 00:19.14 | raster | thnig |
| 00:19.19 | Dave | raster, I wonder what it'd be for pearl |
| 00:19.26 | raster | Dave: half of python |
| 00:19.29 | ronny | raster: but its amazing what flowgraph analysis do to code |
| 00:19.30 | Dave | really, wow |
| 00:19.30 | raster | thats perl5 |
| 00:19.33 | raster | same for ruby |
| 00:19.36 | raster | half python's overhead |
| 00:19.37 | Dave | :) |
| 00:19.39 | Dave | good stuff |
| 00:19.47 | Dave | I'm not as guilty at least :) |
| 00:19.53 | raster | java in "bytecode interpet mode" is about 1/20th the overhead of python |
| 00:20.01 | Dave | damn |
| 00:20.02 | raster | didnt test jit |
| 00:20.32 | Dave | Is there some comparison chart available? |
| 00:20.33 | raster | but i think its sad that u ask a programmer "so how much ram does every object u create use" |
| 00:20.37 | raster | adn they cant give u an answer |
| 00:20.39 | raster | not even approximate |
| 00:20.41 | ronny | raster: if you take a subset of python you can write python code, and optimize enough crap out of it to be as fast as good c |
| 00:20.42 | Kensan | raster: well but if you dig OO and if you dont want your app to blow itself up and are not the C wizzard you should opt for something different than C. |
| 00:20.46 | Dave | right |
| 00:20.50 | raster | so they go create 2899 of them |
| 00:20.55 | Dave | hahaha |
| 00:20.56 | raster | because to them its just a single thing |
| 00:20.59 | raster | 1 object |
| 00:21.03 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 00:21.12 | raster | they dont know the object uses up 4kb of ram... each |
| 00:21.15 | Dave | is this why stuff sucks? |
| 00:21.15 | raster | for example |
| 00:21.17 | Dave | haha |
| 00:21.24 | Dave | hooray, memory |
| 00:21.37 | Dave | and so, ten thousand objects later... |
| 00:21.38 | Dave | :) |
| 00:21.46 | Kensan | raster: all languages server their purpose so it's important to know which one to use for a specific task |
| 00:21.50 | Dave | Why is all my memory disappearing? |
| 00:21.59 | ronny | raster: btw, for anything thats gobject based i'd opt for vala over c any time |
| 00:22.01 | Kensan | except for maybe brainfuck etc |
| 00:22.03 | Dave | Kensan, generally, yes. |
| 00:22.07 | Dave | hah bf |
| 00:22.14 | raster | ronny: i dont know vala - so can't comment :) |
| 00:22.20 | ronny | (writing gobject + refcounting + ctap + omg is just waste of programmer time) |
| 00:22.20 | raster | but to me it just looks like tis still c |
| 00:22.23 | Dave | Yes, ronny, we know your preferences. :) |
| 00:22.24 | Kensan | god "%*/&% |
| 00:22.29 | raster | but a bit of a code-generator from templates |
| 00:22.29 | Kensan | bed now |
| 00:22.35 | raster | so basically u write c but "templated c" |
| 00:22.42 | ronny | raster: vala is basicaly c# syntax put on gobject |
| 00:22.44 | raster | with vala filling in the repetitive goop for you |
| 00:22.45 | Kensan | night all |
| 00:22.59 | Dave | Goodnight, Mr. Ken. |
| 00:23.05 | ronny | very usefull for keeping much of gobject stupid outa the code |
| 00:23.16 | ronny | and its api/abi compatible to any other c stuff |
| 00:23.28 | Dave | that's hot |
| 00:23.35 | raster | thatys all cool |
| 00:23.42 | Dave | :) |
| 00:23.43 | raster | i have considered doing such a thing myself before |
| 00:23.46 | raster | just to remove the footwork |
| 00:23.48 | unknown_lamer | defmacro |
| 00:23.51 | raster | and make a "better cpp" |
| 00:23.51 | Dave | you should check it out sometime, raster |
| 00:23.52 | raster | basically |
| 00:23.57 | raster | or even use m4 insetad of cpp |
| 00:23.58 | raster | etc. |
| 00:24.00 | Dave | in whatever year you'll have the time :) |
| 00:24.02 | unknown_lamer | m4 hurts :-\ |
| 00:24.07 | ronny | hmm, m4 needs to die |
| 00:24.16 | raster | ie basically a c code generator that made a lot of painful stuff go away |
| 00:24.24 | Dave | yup yup |
| 00:24.34 | Dave | mmm... hs |
| 00:24.58 | ronny | hmm, i dislike c generators, i want to generate llvm asts and throw optimizers at it before generating native code |
| 00:25.08 | raster | but i have tended to solve it in just better api's myself :) |
| 00:25.24 | Dave | well, you are a god after all, raster :) |
| 00:25.35 | raster | nah |
| 00:25.39 | raster | i'm just a c-nut |
| 00:25.47 | Dave | and overly worked :) |
| 00:25.49 | raster | it's my one tool to rule them all |
| 00:25.53 | Dave | heh |
| 00:25.55 | ronny | i tihnk c is just wrong as middle betwen a higher language and the machine |
| 00:25.56 | Dave | Excellent. |
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| 00:27.41 | raster | ronny: its not as nice as direct to asm |
| 00:27.42 | mpr | ronny: youd rather code in asm? |
| 00:27.49 | raster | but it means u are instantly cross-platform |
| 00:27.50 | raster | portable |
| 00:28.01 | raster | and its a lot easier to generate than asm per platform |
| 00:28.04 | ronny | raster: i'd prefer llvm for that |
| 00:28.43 | raster | it's also something i'm intimately familiar with... so i know i wont be struggling with it when working on problems higher up in the code-generation :) |
| 00:28.50 | raster | ie i can look at the c output and just see |
| 00:28.53 | raster | "man.. thats wrong!" |
| 00:28.59 | raster | without much thught |
| 00:28.59 | raster | :) |
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| 00:29.38 | mpr | ronny: so you'd rather code some abstract asm that gets compiled to bytecode that gets compiled to machine-specific asm? |
| 00:29.42 | ronny | yeah, but llvm has more neat code optimizers that are damn usefull and damn good |
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| 00:29.50 | mpr | or what would be a better "middle" than c? |
| 00:30.22 | ronny | mpr: llvm is a complete architecture for compilers and optimizers, so its just more usefull for getting speedy things |
| 00:30.29 | mpr | llvm isn't a language |
| 00:30.45 | raster | i'll stick to c as an intermediate :) |
| 00:30.46 | ronny | of course it isnt ... |
| 00:30.51 | raster | devil i know |
| 00:31.00 | BobOfDoom | mpr: he means as middle between some high level language and the machine |
| 00:31.03 | raster | but - i'll never have time to do such a thing anyway |
| 00:31.06 | raster | given my todo list... |
| 00:31.33 | mpr | bobofdoom: yeah, but you have to write the code in some language yourself :) |
| 00:31.34 | ronny | raster: with c you kill tonns of possibilities to optimize cause of the free memory-model tho |
| 00:31.50 | raster | ? |
| 00:32.01 | raster | free memory model? |
| 00:32.05 | raster | u mean manual memory management |
| 00:32.08 | raster | as oppsoed to gc's |
| 00:32.09 | raster | ? |
| 00:32.17 | mpr | so I take it ronny would like to write everything in a high-level language and then twist the bytecode in llvm until it's fast enough? |
| 00:32.20 | ronny | in c everything is raw memory, so thats the limit for inferencing optimazions |
| 00:32.23 | Dave | Raster, if I'm ever in town can I take you out and discuss designs? :) |
| 00:32.29 | raster | oooh |
| 00:32.31 | raster | that |
| 00:32.34 | raster | i like that model |
| 00:32.38 | raster | its the most fun bit of it |
| 00:32.39 | raster | :) |
| 00:32.40 | BobOfDoom | ie you can dereferebce arbitrary pointers |
| 00:32.47 | BobOfDoom | so the compiler can make less assumptions |
| 00:32.52 | raster | Dave: sure. :) |
| 00:32.56 | Dave | Cool |
| 00:33.02 | raster | BobOfDoom: yup yup. |
| 00:33.20 | BobOfDoom | I agree about it being fun though :p |
| 00:33.28 | ronny | raster: its a nice tool for system level, but at app-level it screws with optimizers |
| 00:33.37 | Dave | it's kind of naughty |
| 00:33.57 | mpr | the optimizers can't do anything that you can't do yourself with c :P |
| 00:34.07 | mpr | it's just a question of effort |
| 00:34.08 | ronny | mpr: wrong |
| 00:34.15 | KenYoung | Yup - optimize the important parts *youself*. |
| 00:34.58 | ronny | well, and just hit the first issue of that - for each cpu you will have to use a different way for the best optimazion |
| 00:35.05 | raster | man |
| 00:35.15 | mpr | and high-level languages can make it easy to get prototype-style stuff done fast, but then when you get the task to "make it fast and production-ready" it's often more effort to optimize the high-level prototype than to rewrite in c |
| 00:35.16 | raster | 1920x1200 +1600x1200 dual head just isnt cutting it |
| 00:35.20 | ronny | cause stuff like caches and pipelines are different |
| 00:35.20 | raster | i'm out of screen space for my code |
| 00:35.22 | raster | even at 6x10 |
| 00:35.36 | raster | i may have to invest in some 30" action |
| 00:35.40 | mpr | and at that point you'd have been better off if you'd just written the prototype in C in the first place :) |
| 00:36.21 | ronny | mpr: just go and optimize code for sse3, altivec, mmx and something else, and then tell me that shit is easy in c |
| 00:36.47 | mpr | embedded doesn't do floating-point :) |
| 00:36.53 | ronny | most humans will never be even close to beating compilers at that |
| 00:37.01 | mpr | so vector units are kind of a moot point |
| 00:37.27 | ronny | ok, unfit example |
| 00:38.10 | ronny | so opzimize for 7 different embedded cpus, all having idfferent cache sizes and instruction sets, and of course, the code must have optimal speed at all of the |
| 00:38.35 | mpr | in integer world that's actually not that big a problem |
| 00:38.44 | mpr | there's arm and there's x86 |
| 00:38.52 | raster | ronny: actually - mmx/sse/sse2/3 is generally not suefule xcept when doing specific things |
| 00:38.59 | raster | and in that case - it's not too hard. if u have macros |
| 00:39.04 | raster | :) |
| 00:39.24 | raster | ronny: and... my mmx/sse etc. beat the compiler. hands down :) |
| 00:39.30 | raster | i will agree |
| 00:39.32 | mpr | and i'd say it's easier to write c that's fast on arm and on x86 than it's to optimize a high-level language to run fast on those :) |
| 00:39.41 | raster | i have tried my hand at beating the compiler in arm asm |
| 00:39.45 | raster | the compiler won |
| 00:39.46 | raster | just. |
| 00:39.56 | raster | well actually no |
| 00:39.59 | raster | it was a stalemate |
| 00:40.03 | raster | come thnk of it |
| 00:40.10 | raster | i had my regular c algorithm |
| 00:40.13 | raster | then i hand-wrote some arm asm |
| 00:40.22 | raster | then wetn "how the fuck will i inline this" |
| 00:40.29 | raster | as i didnt know how gas syntax varied from arm |
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| 00:40.40 | raster | so... i just went to see what gas syntax was like |
| 00:40.56 | raster | lucky for me i wrote the arm asm and put comments in c on the right |
| 00:41.02 | raster | so for shits and giggles i reversed it |
| 00:41.10 | raster | put c on the left and arm comments on the right after the // |
| 00:41.11 | raster | bingo |
| 00:41.23 | raster | the c produced precisly 1 for 1 the arm asm on the right |
| 00:41.31 | raster | but my original c code still beat it |
| 00:41.32 | raster | :( |
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| 00:42.28 | ronny | compilers are just MUCH faster at combining those things, they are just DAMN hard to beat |
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| 00:42.57 | mpr | yeah, c-compilers are good :) |
| 00:43.13 | mpr | high-level-language compilers/interpreters not so much. :) |
| 00:43.25 | ronny | vala is kinda ok |
| 00:44.01 | ronny | as its bascially just a tool to kill the gobject c stupid |
| 00:44.28 | Dave | hah |
| 00:44.35 | Dave | whee |
| 00:45.41 | raster | ronny: and that salways good |
| 00:46.13 | ronny | also the code is much more easy to handle - it handles refcounting and pointer checking |
| 00:46.41 | raster | thats nice |
| 00:47.08 | mpr | in c you still mostly know the asm that will get generated, in e.g. python it's kinda impossible to know what the running code will eventually look like and what python-gc's etc. will run at which points |
| 00:47.13 | ronny | and it seems to support some fallbacks to pointers and stuff , but i dont understand that good enough |
| 00:47.41 | mpr | so trying to optimize python code if it isn't fast enough is kind of impossible |
| 00:47.56 | mpr | or at least much harder than just rewriting the performance-critical parts in c |
| 00:48.24 | ronny | mpr: the most sane python-optimazion currently is using better algortihms |
| 00:48.28 | raster | or just use a nice abstraction lib |
| 00:48.39 | raster | to do datatypoe and what not handling for u in c |
| 00:48.40 | raster | eg glib |
| 00:48.56 | raster | and then just wrap the ugly bits in an easy to use api |
| 00:49.05 | ronny | vala ftw ;P |
| 00:49.11 | raster | then c is just he same as python |
| 00:49.14 | raster | glue |
| 00:49.14 | raster | :) |
| 00:49.17 | Dave | :D |
| 00:49.18 | ronny | eh no |
| 00:49.23 | mpr | ronny: yeah, but what do you do when the algorithms are fine and it's still not fast/small enough?-) |
| 00:49.46 | ronny | mpr: fire up psyco |
| 00:50.33 | ronny | the thing is, python gets damn fast if you just use it as glue betwen all the c parts |
| 00:50.52 | raster | that gets really hard to debug |
| 00:51.02 | ronny | yeah |
| 00:51.05 | raster | as u are chasing bugs between python and bindings and core c doe that it calls |
| 00:51.12 | raster | "so where's the problem?" |
| 00:51.12 | mpr | "Psyco currently uses a lot of memory. It only runs on Intel 386-compatible processors" |
| 00:51.18 | raster | that is ugly stuff :( |
| 00:51.51 | mpr | even if you're only using it as glue code the python runtime stuff hogs up memory etc. |
| 00:52.00 | mpr | trashes caches, etcetc |
| 00:52.05 | raster | a lot of python debugging i had to do at om made me sit and go "why don't you just sue c - the code will be just a simple, and debugging is much easer as all i do it valgrind or gdb it. boom." |
| 00:52.41 | ronny | raster: fso stuff making pain? |
| 00:52.53 | ronny | im not exactly happy with it |
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| 00:54.56 | Dave | raster - eah |
| 00:54.57 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:55.00 | Dave | that's been my position, anyway |
| 00:55.08 | raster | ronny: no- that was asu with exposure. |
| 00:55.16 | Dave | oh god |
| 00:55.18 | Dave | no |
| 00:55.22 | raster | basically exposure kept wanting to do things that the python bindings didnt export from the c api |
| 00:55.38 | raster | and in the end the exposure code was just as complex (or somple) as the same code done in c |
| 00:56.02 | raster | also toook much longer to create/write that the c version would have |
| 00:56.02 | raster | :) |
| 00:56.21 | raster | fso is fine - except for one thing |
| 00:56.25 | raster | well 2 thnigs |
| 00:56.29 | raster | zhone - but thats a test app - fine |
| 00:56.31 | raster | and frameworkd |
| 00:56.34 | raster | thats my beef. |
| 00:56.37 | raster | as Kensan said |
| 00:56.50 | raster | it adds 40 seconds to boot just to have frasmework d installed and start |
| 00:57.00 | raster | it chomps through 7mb of non-pagable ram |
| 00:57.13 | raster | (not including shared pages) just to come up with no data and do nothing but idle |
| 00:57.21 | raster | and that is my problem |
| 00:57.30 | raster | on my treo650 it's not a sane thnig. :( |
| 00:57.52 | raster | and on the Fr it just is reducing ram left for apps and slowing startup |
| 00:57.52 | raster | :( |
| 00:57.58 | raster | it'd be nice to fix that |
| 00:58.17 | raster | i know fso is in development - so will ned to wait and see |
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| 01:01.52 | Dave | aww |
| 01:02.12 | Dave | I need to get more sd cards for my zires |
| 01:02.24 | Dave | so I can get my gang up to speed ;) |
| 01:04.26 | balrog_ | you scare me, Dave |
| 01:04.43 | raster | oh man.,.. |
| 01:04.44 | raster | this... |
| 01:04.45 | raster | is.... |
| 01:04.48 | raster | AWESOME |
| 01:05.13 | BobOfDoom | raster: ? |
| 01:05.27 | zash | A SOM |
| 01:05.37 | zash | what man |
| 01:05.39 | raster | i love it when a plan.. just comes together |
| 01:06.20 | raster | like u make plans |
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| 01:06.28 | raster | and then just build away at the building blocks |
| 01:06.29 | raster | and bitsz |
| 01:06.33 | raster | then.. u take the bits |
| 01:06.35 | BobOfDoom | ah |
| 01:06.39 | raster | plug themtogether with the right glue |
| 01:06.41 | raster | and presto! |
| 01:06.44 | BobOfDoom | and it just wroks |
| 01:06.45 | BobOfDoom | :) |
| 01:06.47 | raster | it works as u expected |
| 01:06.49 | raster | perfectly |
| 01:07.08 | phobie | do you want to make us curious? |
| 01:07.08 | raster | yup |
| 01:07.16 | raster | just elementary |
| 01:07.23 | raster | just quickly implemented my "anchorview" widget |
| 01:07.24 | balrog_ | i've never seen that happen :p |
| 01:07.28 | raster | basically u put in markup text |
| 01:07.30 | raster | with links |
| 01:07.50 | raster | <a href=XXXX>link</a>blahblah whatever<a href=YY>line 2</a> |
| 01:07.51 | raster | etc. |
| 01:08.02 | raster | click on the linkj |
| 01:08.11 | raster | beautiful hoveer box widget pops up |
| 01:08.19 | raster | option items slide out smoothly from it |
| 01:08.30 | raster | just test itmes right now |
| 01:08.46 | phobie | You should vlog |
| 01:08.49 | raster | i need to make the "fill in the hover" a callback |
| 01:09.00 | Dave | FRUITION! |
| 01:09.04 | Dave | Hallo balrog |
| 01:09.10 | raster | so the user can fill in the optiosn based on the link that was pressed |
| 01:09.18 | raster | but the masin poiint is |
| 01:09.32 | raster | i'm buildign towards all the toolkit items i need to make my sms editor/viewer |
| 01:09.42 | raster | for view i need markup to hilight pone numebrs |
| 01:09.45 | Dave | AWESOME |
| 01:09.53 | Dave | I've been looking forward to that raster :) |
| 01:09.59 | raster | and names - if they match a phone number "Regex" or match some name entry in your phonebook |
| 01:09.59 | raster | eg |
| 01:10.00 | Dave | if it's as smooth as you say... |
| 01:10.03 | raster | get an sms that says |
| 01:10.06 | raster | "call dave" |
| 01:10.07 | zash | <a href="sms:+4670123456">SEND ME AN SMS</a> |
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| 01:10.09 | raster | dave will be a link |
| 01:10.11 | raster | click it |
| 01:10.12 | Dave | :D |
| 01:10.16 | Dave | Yes, send me a message! |
| 01:10.18 | raster | zash: no need to put IN the sms |
| 01:10.20 | raster | just say |
| 01:10.30 | Dave | Raster please tell me you'll be using sane timestamps for everything |
| 01:10.32 | raster | sms me: +46289035 |
| 01:10.47 | raster | the end code shoudl se +748394 (some set of numbers) |
| 01:10.48 | zash | but, tel: :/ |
| 01:10.54 | raster | and go "ooh - phone numbr... make it linkable" |
| 01:11.00 | Dave | :D |
| 01:11.04 | Dave | yeah, what was it |
| 01:11.09 | Dave | qtx seems to have done that too ,raster |
| 01:11.14 | raster | yeah |
| 01:11.15 | raster | i know |
| 01:11.17 | Dave | but somewhat poorly |
| 01:11.19 | raster | but min;'es sexier |
| 01:11.22 | Dave | yeah :D |
| 01:11.22 | Dave | I bet |
| 01:11.28 | zash | iphone and skype .. does that |
| 01:11.33 | raster | i know |
| 01:11.34 | Dave | but who uses those? |
| 01:11.35 | raster | nothing new |
| 01:11.35 | Dave | :D |
| 01:11.40 | raster | but it just is so clean |
| 01:11.45 | Dave | so sexy? |
| 01:11.54 | Dave | like raster's work usually |
| 01:11.55 | Dave | :) |
| 01:11.59 | raster | the whole anchorview widget.. in c (that awfulyl hard language where u have to do everything so manually) is 109 lines of c |
| 01:12.06 | raster | i can pump out widgets in no time flat |
| 01:12.10 | Dave | slick |
| 01:12.11 | raster | as they are so nuce and simple |
| 01:12.13 | Dave | master raster |
| 01:12.48 | raster | thats just the nicest bit |
| 01:12.58 | raster | the layers underneath that make it so easy... |
| 01:13.04 | raster | and the whole plan just comes together |
| 01:13.21 | Dave | Eeeeeeeeeexcellent >:) |
| 01:13.30 | raster | text entry works |
| 01:13.38 | raster | tho i havent put in support for auto-requesting keyboard |
| 01:13.40 | raster | yet |
| 01:14.19 | Dave | I hope your handling of message character limit restrictions is not as shitty in the other distros |
| 01:14.38 | Dave | oh and I hope it interprets \r\n correctly too :p |
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| 01:16.39 | raster | the entry widget only groks markyup |
| 01:16.41 | raster | markup |
| 01:16.50 | raster | so u need to convert fropm the inptu encoding to markup |
| 01:17.00 | Dave | okay |
| 01:17.08 | raster | ie from whatever encoding to utf8 + convert ]n and \r\n to <br> |
| 01:17.10 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 01:17.26 | Dave | yeah, I got that |
| 01:17.28 | raster | thats not part of the widget set itself (right now) |
| 01:17.31 | raster | the app |
| 01:17.31 | Dave | :) |
| 01:17.36 | raster | right now i'ts all about the widgets |
| 01:17.39 | raster | get that right |
| 01:17.47 | Dave | so how will you, if at all, deal with message length restrictions in the app itself? |
| 01:18.05 | raster | when editing? |
| 01:18.18 | Dave | yes |
| 01:18.21 | raster | don't |
| 01:18.25 | Dave | you don't? |
| 01:18.27 | raster | allow any length |
| 01:18.30 | raster | AS u type |
| 01:18.30 | Dave | :) |
| 01:18.36 | Dave | cool |
| 01:18.42 | raster | display how long the sms will be in # of sms's |
| 01:18.48 | raster | do what a lot of phones do |
| 01:18.52 | raster | send multiple sms's if its long |
| 01:19.04 | raster | simply let u know how many u'll be sending |
| 01:19.13 | raster | can als display "how many chars left" too |
| 01:19.15 | raster | etc. |
| 01:19.26 | raster | just requires that on entry changed u convert to sms format/encoding |
| 01:19.28 | raster | and check its size |
| 01:20.27 | Dave | :D |
| 01:20.36 | Dave | yeah, also knowing what the provider length limit is |
| 01:20.37 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 01:20.38 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 01:20.39 | Dave | fucking stupid sms |
| 01:20.48 | raster | its 160bytes |
| 01:20.56 | Dave | not always |
| 01:20.58 | zash | 140 bytes? |
| 01:21.01 | raster | when? |
| 01:21.09 | zash | 160 7bit chars |
| 01:21.12 | raster | everywhere i've seen its 160 |
| 01:21.17 | Dave | one of my carriers is 160 the other is 100 |
| 01:21.23 | Dave | so yeah |
| 01:21.28 | Dave | it's dumb |
| 01:21.33 | raster | hmm |
| 01:21.39 | Dave | and pisses me off |
| 01:21.40 | BobOfDoom | strange |
| 01:21.43 | raster | i klnow that it may be 160 bytes |
| 01:21.45 | raster | but not 160chars |
| 01:21.48 | raster | depending on encoding |
| 01:21.56 | Dave | maybe |
| 01:22.06 | raster | and simply encoding determines it |
| 01:22.11 | raster | oh well |
| 01:22.13 | BobOfDoom | Dave: what do "normal" phones do with it? |
| 01:22.13 | Dave | :( |
| 01:22.16 | raster | either way |
| 01:22.18 | raster | its a magic number |
| 01:22.23 | raster | "up to N bytes" |
| 01:22.23 | Dave | Bob, do with what? |
| 01:22.29 | BobOfDoom | do they notice the 100 char limit? |
| 01:22.35 | Dave | you mean, observe it? |
| 01:22.39 | BobOfDoom | yes |
| 01:22.40 | Dave | Yep |
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| 01:22.48 | Dave | it won't let you type more than that in the interface under their UI |
| 01:23.00 | Dave | pretty stupid, huh? |
| 01:23.04 | Dave | then again it's not an iphone |
| 01:23.06 | Dave | but still |
| 01:23.11 | Dave | also, raster is totally right |
| 01:23.23 | BobOfDoom | weird... I don't think I've seen any GSM messages that set the limit, but I haven't looked for that specifically |
| 01:23.35 | Dave | that would explain why sending sms on my freerunner, I was limited by encoded size? |
| 01:23.46 | zash | afaik, it is 160 7bit chars == 140 bytes |
| 01:23.47 | Dave | bob, oh |
| 01:24.05 | Dave | I remember sending sms on 2007 and some were shorter than others that sent but they wouldn't send |
| 01:24.11 | Dave | but if I removed certain chars it sent |
| 01:24.18 | Dave | maybe it was just the shittiness of the app, I don't know :) |
| 01:24.24 | Dave | I never bothered to investigate it further. |
| 01:25.15 | Dave | also if I tried sending too many carriage returns it would fail, as I recall :D |
| 01:25.25 | Dave | fun |
| 01:25.56 | Dave | oh, raster, I was going to ask you. suspended, how long does your treo last on a single charge, have you bothered to even check? |
| 01:26.27 | BobOfDoom | Dave: in palm os or linux? |
| 01:26.29 | Dave | I unplugged one of my zires a week ago, and so far have been quite impressed :) |
| 01:26.34 | Dave | bob, linux :) |
| 01:26.42 | Dave | bob, I'm currently using your kernel :) |
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| 01:26.44 | BobOfDoom | aaagess with phone off |
| 01:26.48 | BobOfDoom | oh |
| 01:26.49 | BobOfDoom | wait linux |
| 01:26.51 | Dave | yeah, so I've seen |
| 01:26.52 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:27.34 | BobOfDoom | treo is probably worse than the zire in linux |
| 01:27.39 | BobOfDoom | since the PM is more complex |
| 01:27.45 | BobOfDoom | and we don't currently do anything special with it |
| 01:27.46 | Dave | so far it tells me it has ~160m left after being unplugged for six days or so |
| 01:27.51 | Dave | I'd say that's rather impressive |
| 01:28.15 | BobOfDoom | but yeah, the hardware can do a rather good job of it |
| 01:28.33 | Dave | Yes! |
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| 01:28.38 | Dave | And that's right where it belongs! :P |
| 01:28.51 | Dave | in the hardware! |
| 01:29.05 | Dave | Opie is cute |
| 01:29.14 | Dave | though I'd rather use illume... |
| 01:29.18 | Dave | though maybe I'm just biased |
| 01:30.02 | slaxxin | so wheres rasters downloads at? |
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| 01:30.36 | BobOfDoom | slaxxin: downloads of what? rootfs? |
| 01:31.27 | slaxxin | yes |
| 01:31.28 | BobOfDoom | slaxxin: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ |
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| 01:34.46 | slaxxin | 34 megs:) |
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| 01:38.10 | slaxxin | can someone explain how to use the fdomizer script:)? |
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| 01:41.33 | phobie | I am happy to see illume autobuilds every night! |
| 01:41.51 | phobie | s/am happy/hope/ |
| 01:42.04 | Dave | :D |
| 01:42.16 | Dave | if I make a z build I'll throw it at bob |
| 01:42.45 | slaxxin | what am i about to see dave |
| 01:43.04 | Dave | I don't know, how functional are your optic nerves? |
| 01:43.15 | slaxxin | functining |
| 01:43.29 | slaxxin | somewhat |
| 01:44.39 | slaxxin | it looks more like an os booting |
| 01:45.15 | slaxxin | what no green boot polishing cloth |
| 01:45.27 | slaxxin | yay |
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| 01:45.32 | slaxxin | raster |
| 01:46.04 | slaxxin | its too cool an i havent got past the boot splash yet |
| 01:47.21 | slaxxin | cool seconds |
| 01:47.21 | raster | heheheh |
| 01:47.23 | raster | :) |
| 01:48.25 | slaxxin | great keyboard |
| 01:49.26 | raster | :) |
| 01:49.33 | raster | e+illume.. closer to how it should be |
| 01:50.09 | gurugentoo | so...is there an image I can play with? this sounds cool |
| 01:50.32 | Soulnoob | fdomizer ... |
| 01:50.57 | raster | yes |
| 01:51.01 | raster | thats half the point |
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| 01:51.15 | raster | i need to update the builds though |
| 01:51.26 | raster | (again!) |
| 01:51.30 | gurugentoo | hehe |
| 01:51.38 | raster | but first - need to get past this blob of development good |
| 01:52.35 | Dave | YES |
| 01:52.41 | Dave | goop |
| 01:53.00 | gurugentoo | by all means take your time, I like what I've seen so far |
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| 01:54.35 | raster | need to work on widgets atm |
| 01:54.56 | raster | e is also doing lots of changing in svn with eina being merged in. |
| 01:56.52 | Dave | :) |
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| 02:00.17 | slaxxin | can i add tango an a few other things with no problem? |
| 02:01.19 | raster | tango theme? |
| 02:02.07 | slaxxin | gps |
| 02:02.52 | raster | oooh |
| 02:02.54 | raster | probably |
| 02:02.58 | raster | i see no reason why not |
| 02:03.01 | slaxxin | or other programs? |
| 02:03.42 | gurugentoo | it's a normal linux system correct? most anything that compiles should work |
| 02:04.04 | slaxxin | animated battery |
| 02:04.08 | raster | yes |
| 02:04.10 | raster | normal |
| 02:04.28 | raster | slaxxin: u mean the + that blinks when chargiing? |
| 02:04.34 | slaxxin | yes |
| 02:04.45 | raster | normal stuff from e17's desktop theme |
| 02:04.46 | raster | :) |
| 02:05.59 | gurugentoo | I've read a good bit about e and I'm really starting to like it, it makes so much sense |
| 02:06.34 | sicu_ | meh, what's wrong with eina now :/ |
| 02:06.34 | sicu_ | U eina/Makefile.am |
| 02:06.34 | sicu_ | svn: Failed to add file 'eina/eina-0.pc.in': object of the same name already exists |
| 02:06.57 | sicu_ | that eina girl is causing me trouble again :p |
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| 02:08.27 | gurugentoo | how would you pronounce that? eye-nuh? |
| 02:09.40 | raster | gurugentoo: we try to do things "right" in e land.. often |
| 02:09.53 | raster | just have been busy building countless layers of libs and utils |
| 02:10.08 | raster | and the wm has mostly languished in favor of pushing the libs under it |
| 02:10.18 | raster | but i've gone back to look into the wm recently |
| 02:10.51 | gurugentoo | raster: ya, why write the wm when it might be changing in the near future |
| 02:11.28 | raster | well its only N units of time |
| 02:11.31 | raster | available |
| 02:11.34 | raster | spend it on the underlying infra |
| 02:11.37 | raster | or on the app on top |
| 02:11.44 | raster | the app on top has driven much of the arly infra |
| 02:11.50 | raster | but other things have been pulling @ the infra |
| 02:11.50 | mwester | notes that too many levels of abstraction, which is what libs often do, makes software behave like philosophers. (doesn't do much very quickly, and ponders a lot on the simplest of problems) |
| 02:12.06 | raster | mwester: depends who does the libs |
| 02:12.06 | raster | :) |
| 02:12.13 | sicu_ | raster: you shouldn't have made eina so ill-tempered ;p |
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| 02:12.42 | sicu_ | she keeps trying to cause me trouble ;p |
| 02:12.49 | raster | sicu_: just delete the offendign file |
| 02:12.50 | raster | :) |
| 02:13.13 | raster | mwester: in our case same libhs come from same people - thus they tend to do the right thing |
| 02:13.16 | gurugentoo | put her in her place |
| 02:13.18 | raster | as u know just what the internals do |
| 02:13.26 | raster | and how to not kill things |
| 02:13.32 | raster | or how to work "with" the results |
| 02:13.53 | sicu_ | raster: hehe, done ... but i'm sure she'll be back some other day to yank my chain |
| 02:15.46 | mwester | raster: my favorite example is a set of libraries which, when stacked up in the way the client's developers had done, took a floating point number as input, ended up converting it to ascii representation (XML record), and passed to another lib, where it was read in and converted back to floating point. ;) |
| 02:24.59 | Dave | >:) |
| 02:25.00 | Dave | sicus |
| 02:30.37 | sicu | =D |
| 02:33.08 | sicu | ah well, this build is gonna take a while ... time to hit the sack |
| 02:33.13 | sicu | nn |
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| 02:35.30 | Dave | :) |
| 02:36.08 | Dave | MWester, I like your philosophy of that so far :) |
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| 02:42.45 | sicu | raster is smooth as silk |
| 02:42.47 | sicu | hehe ^^ |
| 02:43.21 | sicu | love the theme btw ... =] |
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| 02:55.27 | Dave | you came back! |
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| 03:06.27 | sicu | Dave: yeh ... i never manage to leave :/ |
| 03:06.37 | sicu | i'm a sad git |
| 03:06.55 | Dave | :D |
| 03:06.59 | Dave | haha |
| 03:07.06 | Dave | git ci sicu |
| 03:07.29 | Dave | poor sicu :] |
| 03:07.51 | sicu | :p |
| 03:08.04 | sicu | apt: sicu is a git |
| 03:08.05 | apt | okay, sicu |
| 03:08.14 | sicu | *shrugs* |
| 03:08.18 | sicu | ~sicu |
| 03:08.19 | apt | well, sicu is a git |
| 03:10.19 | sicu | ~dave |
| 03:10.19 | apt | i guess dave is mtnman |
| 03:10.39 | mwester | was expecting something else |
| 03:10.55 | sicu | me too :/ |
| 03:11.57 | sicu | ~dave |
| 03:11.58 | apt | from memory, dave is the renowned inventor of the FR-clapper |
| 03:12.12 | sicu | now that's better |
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| 03:15.11 | BobOfDoom | ~raster |
| 03:15.12 | apt | i guess raster is a seppo |
| 03:16.21 | BobOfDoom | apt: no, raster is smooth as silk |
| 03:16.22 | apt | okay, BobOfDoom |
| 03:20.20 | sicu | haha |
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| 03:29.42 | slaxxin | opkg install gspd |
| 03:29.52 | slaxxin | haha |
| 03:30.37 | BobOfDoom | sh: command not found: opkg |
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| 03:31.57 | mwester | Well, we know what slaxxin is doing... |
| 03:32.57 | Dave | heh |
| 03:32.59 | Dave | :) |
| 03:33.03 | slaxxin | lol |
| 03:33.12 | slaxxin | im slaxxin |
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| 03:36.12 | slaxxin | Try to make it more like lastest Raster Image like |
| 03:37.15 | Dave | good luck? |
| 03:37.44 | kd8ikt | mokomake keeps dieing on me |
| 03:38.13 | kd8ikt | think this time it was gtk+fastscaling stuff |
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| 03:39.03 | Sonicadvance1 | uses magical powers of necromancy to bring mokomake back from the dead |
| 03:39.37 | mwester | Whatcha mokomakin' |
| 03:39.46 | kd8ikt | hey whatdya know i googled gtk+fastscaling and up pops a bunch of previous chatter about openmoko<mokomakefile> failures |
| 03:39.55 | kd8ikt | i'm not alone! |
| 03:40.12 | Dave | mokomake me some dinner! |
| 03:40.36 | mwester | Can't. |
| 03:40.45 | mwester | stove won't wake from suspend. |
| 03:42.11 | Dave | :( |
| 03:42.14 | Dave | sadness |
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| 04:02.40 | Dave | hmm |
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| 04:03.50 | ljp | maybe it needs a new uboot |
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| 04:13.15 | raster | mwester: BWHAHAHAHHAHA! ok ok. THAT is a bad example. i agree. things like that make me want to vomit. :) it all depends on if you choose good api's. if you do and the api's are consistent - then you end up with quite a nice thing :) |
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| 04:13.40 | raster | BobOfDoom: i am summoned. |
| 04:13.41 | raster | :) |
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| 04:24.57 | Dave | :D |
| 04:25.17 | raster | hmm |
| 04:26.28 | raster | what would u think of an sms app that displays smss with a particular persona s a speechy-bubble conversation? |
| 04:27.38 | gurugentoo | kind of like skype on windows |
| 04:27.39 | gurugentoo | ? |
| 04:27.58 | raster | http://emptyfield.com/blog/uploaded_images/Picture-2-777989.png |
| 04:27.59 | raster | like that |
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| 04:28.40 | gurugentoo | hmm, ya that's kind of cool |
| 04:29.23 | gurugentoo | maybe add the option of adding a photo for each person? |
| 04:29.46 | raster | http://www.cellphonedigest.net/images/Mundu-combined.jpg |
| 04:29.47 | raster | there |
| 04:29.49 | raster | more examples |
| 04:29.55 | raster | but basically u get a list of text blocs |
| 04:30.01 | raster | in order of time/date |
| 04:30.05 | raster | and depending who it's from |
| 04:30.13 | raster | (one you sent or from someone else) |
| 04:30.20 | raster | your bubble may have a different point |
| 04:30.21 | raster | and yes |
| 04:30.27 | raster | option of a small photo/image for person |
| 04:30.33 | raster | and name/tme&date |
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| 04:30.58 | raster | http://bp3.blogger.com/_1gnEMxvAzWI/SB7MR2rsZ2I/AAAAAAAAB5c/J3c1yLCLMhU/s320/SMS.jpg |
| 04:30.59 | raster | that |
| 04:31.05 | raster | basically what iphone did |
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| 04:31.36 | raster | i like the idea |
| 04:31.42 | raster | i just wonder if tis a bit too kitchy |
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| 04:32.23 | gurugentoo | I think you should have the option to switch to an irc-like chat view as well |
| 04:32.36 | raster | thats preetty much what it is |
| 04:32.46 | raster | just with pretty bubbles around each perso's line fo text |
| 04:32.47 | raster | :) |
| 04:33.18 | gurugentoo | cool |
| 04:33.53 | raster | but the q is.. |
| 04:33.55 | raster | is it really good |
| 04:34.07 | raster | i am thinkign that for sms stuff this is the best way to do it |
| 04:34.15 | gurugentoo | now to figure out how to get unlimmited sms with a pre-paid plan |
| 04:34.16 | raster | so list ALL sms's u recieved/sent |
| 04:34.23 | raster | all mixed ans sorted by time/date |
| 04:34.34 | raster | so a full record of everything u said, to who and what they said back |
| 04:34.39 | raster | and just have filter modes |
| 04:34.50 | raster | to "only show conversation with this persion" |
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| 04:34.55 | raster | or "only show this person" |
| 04:34.58 | raster | or "this message" |
| 04:34.58 | raster | etc. |
| 04:35.09 | raster | i THINK this is the best way |
| 04:35.11 | raster | but... not sure |
| 04:35.29 | gurugentoo | a bit like the gmail conversations idea |
| 04:35.35 | raster | yes |
| 04:39.00 | gurugentoo | i'm flashing your e/illume image btw |
| 04:39.01 | raster | basically this impacts how i do my anchorview |
| 04:39.07 | raster | yay |
| 04:39.12 | raster | tho u wont have the 3 button controls |
| 04:39.16 | raster | i havent made an image with that |
| 04:39.26 | raster | much nicer than list of windows+home |
| 04:39.30 | gurugentoo | hmm meh |
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| 04:40.59 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-03.jpg] |
| 04:41.00 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-03.jpg |
| 04:41.02 | raster | that one |
| 04:41.09 | raster | with the blakc boxes at the top |
| 04:41.16 | raster | with home/close etc. icons |
| 04:41.38 | rooly|away | anybody fixed the wifi yet |
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| 04:42.34 | gurugentoo | wow, have enough devices to test on? |
| 04:43.03 | gurugentoo | rooly|away: my wifi is still screwy lol, so not that I know of |
| 04:43.40 | gurugentoo | sometimes is works fine, but I usually have to reboot to get it ro reconnect |
| 04:44.28 | gurugentoo | I need more time to tinker |
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| 04:45.32 | raster | grun no. i need more homies for my gang |
| 04:45.40 | raster | :) |
| 04:46.31 | mwester | suggests an N800 |
| 04:47.08 | mwester | rooly|away: I rebooted my WRT54G yesterday, it should be fine. |
| 04:47.14 | raster | mwester: already in my gang |
| 04:47.17 | raster | :) |
| 04:47.38 | mwester | ooooh |
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| 04:50.04 | lindi- | mwester: it has 2.6.x? |
| 04:51.59 | mwester | Probably not, dd-wrt |
| 04:53.01 | mwester | Or, if you meant the n800, Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Sep 2 10:13:14 EEST 2008 armv6l |
| 04:53.51 | swetland | there a known good 2.6.25+ kernel tree for N8x0 out there somewhere? |
| 04:56.57 | spyre | Kensan: pong |
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| 05:06.12 | Dave | hey spyre! |
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| 05:07.39 | spyre | Dave: hi |
| 05:07.51 | Dave | :) |
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| 05:09.26 | spyre | I saw you were talking about gsmd2.. I just made a long overdue commit to it yesterday |
| 05:09.49 | spyre | but fso api is most likely already been updated and I'm late again :) |
| 05:11.28 | raster | spyre: how well does gsmd2 work? |
| 05:11.35 | raster | at least as well as gsmd of old? |
| 05:12.48 | gurugentoo | raster: I also like the new keyboard |
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| 05:12.58 | spyre | raster: better than gsmd imho.. allthough now that I've been reassigned to different work project and am updating gsmd2 in my spare time without gsm modem (read: freerunner/neo), there might be some clitches :) |
| 05:13.04 | raster | hur thats illume's kbd |
| 05:13.14 | raster | it does have some issue - i dont deny, but its relatively usable |
| 05:13.29 | raster | spyre: gsmd2 has been "abandoned" |
| 05:13.35 | raster | or it's just considered to be "Done" |
| 05:13.35 | raster | ? |
| 05:13.52 | raster | or "obsoleted by frameworkd" |
| 05:13.53 | raster | ? |
| 05:14.25 | raster | basically frameworkd is causing much pain and i'm keen to find an alternative - but i'd liek to keep the fso api. (dbus) |
| 05:14.32 | spyre | raster: it's development is just slowed down since earlier it's development was my day job.. now it's development is just a hobby |
| 05:14.50 | spyre | and since I dont' have a lot of free time, I've been waiting for fso api to stabilize |
| 05:14.51 | raster | any reason it ceased being a day job? |
| 05:15.15 | raster | or just was able to be a day job to give it a burst |
| 05:15.20 | raster | then off to things that pay money |
| 05:15.25 | raster | and let it "do its job" ? |
| 05:16.21 | spyre | it was my first project at Ixonos and now I've been reassigned (though I'd rather be doing gsmd2) |
| 05:16.31 | raster | aaah |
| 05:16.42 | raster | just wondering why u were put on it |
| 05:16.44 | raster | then taken off |
| 05:16.45 | raster | thats all |
| 05:16.46 | raster | eg |
| 05:16.58 | raster | project abandoned as it was seen as "worthless" |
| 05:17.01 | raster | or some reason |
| 05:17.46 | spyre | raster: no nothing like that.. its more that paying projects are priorized :) |
| 05:18.10 | raster | sure |
| 05:18.10 | spyre | allthough they were thinking of keeping me working on gsmd2 till the end of this year |
| 05:18.14 | raster | msakes perfect sense |
| 05:18.33 | raster | from the top of your head |
| 05:18.38 | raster | whats its mem foorptint? |
| 05:18.50 | spyre | but if people keep using gsmd2 and find bugs I'll be happy to fix them.. and when fso api stabilizes for a while again, I'll update gsmd2 to match with it |
| 05:19.04 | raster | i probably should just build it |
| 05:19.08 | spyre | yep :) |
| 05:19.13 | raster | ./freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb |
| 05:19.16 | raster | thats the bb? |
| 05:19.33 | raster | i might be happy to help |
| 05:19.34 | raster | not right now |
| 05:19.37 | raster | but in a few weeks |
| 05:19.41 | spyre | I cant actually remember what that is :) |
| 05:20.02 | raster | yup |
| 05:20.03 | raster | thats you |
| 05:20.10 | raster | AUTHOR = "Ixonos Team" |
| 05:20.16 | raster | you should put your name there at least! |
| 05:20.26 | raster | spyre@inxonos :) |
| 05:20.38 | spyre | My name's in the source code :) |
| 05:20.38 | raster | SRC_URI = "${FREESMARTPHONE_GIT}/gsmd2.git;protocol=git;branch=master" |
| 05:20.45 | raster | thats where u keep the up-to-date git tree? |
| 05:21.06 | spyre | I actually didn't make that bitbake file, it was made by hepaajan_ |
| 05:21.14 | spyre | yep |
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| 05:21.44 | raster | aaah ok |
| 05:21.50 | raster | cool |
| 05:22.01 | raster | i'll pump out a package and see if it makes my treo650 any happier |
| 05:22.08 | raster | because frameworkd does not |
| 05:22.10 | raster | :( |
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| 05:22.33 | rebelThor | arghhh, i'm going nuts. :( how do you suspend FSO? :( |
| 05:22.37 | spyre | raster: most likely you'll be needing a plugin for treo's gsm modem |
| 05:23.28 | spyre | raster: the basic set of at commands is so limited that we've been creating plugins for different vendors (and their extended at ocmmand sets) but I think hepaajan_'s last commit on gsmd2 was to make everything work with the basic command set |
| 05:23.42 | raster | spyre: i'm happy to try the one for the calypso for now |
| 05:23.49 | spyre | especially observing when calls are disconnected is quite troublesome with basic at commands |
| 05:24.09 | raster | i'm sure it's nasty |
| 05:24.20 | raster | with every gsm modem having their own variation/take on it |
| 05:24.25 | raster | but need to start somewhere |
| 05:24.28 | spyre | yep.. and no standard :) |
| 05:25.16 | raster | i'm more worried that on my treo i literally run out of ram - or almost, just with frameworkd |
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| 05:25.18 | raster | and a gui |
| 05:25.19 | spyre | basically the basic at command set just says OK when the other end disconnects..but also every command also replies with OK ;) |
| 05:25.24 | raster | no dialler or apps running |
| 05:25.31 | raster | startup is immensely slower |
| 05:25.31 | spyre | heheh :) |
| 05:26.00 | raster | so u need to listen for an "unsolicited" ok |
| 05:26.08 | raster | one u were nto expecting |
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| 05:26.54 | spyre | but if you send a command while calling someone, you have no idea if the command was ok or if you got disconnected |
| 05:27.43 | raster | yup |
| 05:27.51 | raster | so u need a timeout |
| 05:28.10 | raster | oh |
| 05:28.19 | raster | u disallow gsm commands while on a call (the simple solution) |
| 05:28.34 | raster | or |
| 05:28.35 | raster | i would actually go for the latter |
| 05:28.44 | raster | as basically the modem has defined an operational limitation |
| 05:28.47 | raster | thanks to its "api" |
| 05:30.03 | BobOfDoom | yeah, it'll probably break on the treo's modem |
| 05:30.10 | BobOfDoom | treo's modem is a bit weird |
| 05:30.19 | BobOfDoom | it won't respond to anything much in CFUN=0 mode |
| 05:30.24 | raster | what's new? :) |
| 05:30.30 | BobOfDoom | and it likes to spout MRDY* crap at you |
| 05:30.33 | raster | it's not having fun |
| 05:30.35 | raster | thats why |
| 05:30.48 | BobOfDoom | and some times it does \n\r instead of \r\n |
| 05:30.52 | BobOfDoom | to ebnd lines |
| 05:30.59 | raster | does it always send \n? |
| 05:31.02 | BobOfDoom | yep |
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| 05:31.12 | BobOfDoom | so can just strip \r |
| 05:31.12 | raster | then just ignore \r's |
| 05:31.14 | raster | yup |
| 05:31.30 | raster | CFUN=99 is better |
| 05:31.31 | raster | more c fun |
| 05:31.32 | raster | :) |
| 05:31.39 | BobOfDoom | but it should be pretty easy to mod gsmd2 to work |
| 05:31.56 | raster | yup |
| 05:32.13 | mwester | wonders if there is any way to intercept the comms between PalmOS and the GSM to help sort out the best way to do things. |
| 05:32.45 | BobOfDoom | mwester: yeah.. I did it at one point, when I couldn't figure out what was going on with network unlcok pin stuff |
| 05:32.59 | BobOfDoom | tehre's an evil hack in cocoboot that sets a memory breakopint |
| 05:33.17 | BobOfDoom | so you can breakpoint writing to the UART register |
| 05:33.25 | BobOfDoom | and dump whatever gets written |
| 05:33.27 | raster | crap |
| 05:33.30 | raster | missing dbus-binding-tool |
| 05:33.32 | raster | grrrr |
| 05:34.04 | raster | BobOfDoom: nice and evil |
| 05:34.04 | spyre | raster: go ahead make a plugin for gsmd2.. I'd like to get a fresh perspective on it. Also new modem plugin implementations always discover missing features on gsmd2.. |
| 05:34.10 | spyre | :) |
| 05:34.49 | raster | spyre: indeed. i know how that ticks :) u have to push things to find the weak spots of your design |
| 05:37.07 | spyre | raster: actually its not my design, I came into the project half a year after it started.. allthough I have with hepaajan_ changed the design quite a bit |
| 05:38.34 | raster | spyre: thats fair enough |
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| 05:38.48 | raster | damn u gsmd2... |
| 05:38.59 | raster | whats with |
| 05:39.00 | raster | | ../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool: line 6560: /usr/bin/dbus-binding-tool: No such file or directory |
| 05:39.02 | raster | grrr |
| 05:39.26 | BobOfDoom | hard-coded paths of death! |
| 05:39.56 | raster | aha! |
| 05:40.00 | raster | bad MAkefile.am |
| 05:40.01 | raster | bad! |
| 05:40.06 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.10 | raster | spyre: see above |
| 05:40.11 | raster | :) |
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| 05:41.42 | spyre | raster: heheh :) |
| 05:42.52 | raster | tests patch |
| 05:45.08 | raster | ummmm.... |
| 05:45.38 | raster | ooh |
| 05:45.40 | raster | theres more of them |
| 05:46.49 | theocrite | http://www.mobile-t-mobile.com/uimg/iPhon-vs-Rock.jpg (It wasn't in my lastog so i'm pasting this) |
| 05:48.54 | BobOfDoom | nice looking stone |
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| 05:50.56 | raster | has a mission in life... to crush the iphone to a pulp with better ui gooeyness on linux... on an open platform |
| 05:51.10 | raster | spyre: doth thout want my patches sir? i have 3... |
| 05:51.18 | raster | err |
| 05:51.21 | lawnjart | Am I missing a trick , I cant seem to get gprs networking to work under fat and dirty |
| 05:51.30 | raster | doth thou wanteth mine here patches |
| 05:51.43 | spyre | raster: sure sir knight |
| 05:51.44 | lawnjart | ha |
| 05:52.39 | raster | spyre: where shall i send my deliver of patches sir spyre! |
| 05:52.55 | raster | rattles his basket of patches |
| 05:52.58 | spyre | raster: my email is in AUTHORS file |
| 05:53.18 | raster | aaah indeed sir spyre |
| 05:53.19 | spyre | raster: yeah.. and my name is Vesa Pikki, that would also help :) |
| 05:53.38 | raster | aaah but alas |
| 05:53.43 | raster | rm_work has deleted my tree |
| 05:54.08 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:54.13 | raster | runs off to the sources inn for an ale |
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| 05:57.11 | raster | spyre: sir knight. thy maidens of patch cometh |
| 05:59.09 | spyre | thanks :) |
| 05:59.20 | spyre | btw have you gotten it compiled and/or running yet? |
| 05:59.50 | raster | compiled and package installed |
| 05:59.55 | raster | wondering how on earlt o run it |
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| 06:01.50 | raster | hmm |
| 06:01.58 | raster | ooh ok |
| 06:01.58 | raster | hmm |
| 06:02.02 | raster | it didnt... never mind |
| 06:02.25 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.26 | raster | bugger |
| 06:02.40 | raster | ummm |
| 06:02.45 | raster | whats meant to go there? |
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| 06:05.01 | raster | BobOfDoom: I summon ye! |
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| 06:08.01 | mwester | hands raster some better-smelling incense, and some brighter chalk for his mystic symbols |
| 06:08.17 | raster | tries again with more incense |
| 06:08.27 | raster | BobOfDoom: I SUMMON YE! AWAKE! |
| 06:09.07 | raster | methinks we have a faulty BobOfDoom |
| 06:09.12 | raster | someone got a replacement? |
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| 06:36.01 | BobOfDoom | sparks |
| 06:36.12 | BobOfDoom | slowly flickers into life |
| 06:36.24 | BobOfDoom | raster: you called? |
| 06:36.40 | raster | AHA! |
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| 06:36.56 | raster | you are slow to be summoned mr. doom! |
| 06:37.03 | raster | what serial port is the modem on? |
| 06:37.07 | raster | 0,1,2,3? |
| 06:37.10 | BobOfDoom | 0 |
| 06:37.14 | raster | i get nada from any in minicom |
| 06:37.15 | raster | hmmm |
| 06:37.25 | BobOfDoom | baud 460800 |
| 06:37.34 | raster | ooooo |
| 06:37.46 | BobOfDoom | and it needs to be reset |
| 06:37.51 | BobOfDoom | otherwise its stuck in mux mode |
| 06:38.03 | raster | buggewr |
| 06:38.07 | raster | minicom has no such option |
| 06:38.09 | raster | poobuttox |
| 06:38.13 | BobOfDoom | it does |
| 06:38.17 | BobOfDoom | it's just hidden |
| 06:38.19 | BobOfDoom | :p |
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| 06:38.23 | BobOfDoom | there's something else you press |
| 06:38.23 | BobOfDoom | umm |
| 06:38.25 | BobOfDoom | checks |
| 06:38.48 | raster | damn u minicom |
| 06:38.51 | raster | damn you all to hell! |
| 06:38.54 | BobOfDoom | I can't remember whether the kernel you're using has the modem stuff |
| 06:39.04 | raster | ooooh |
| 06:39.09 | BobOfDoom | do you have a /sys/devices/platform/palmt650_gsm_pm |
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| 06:39.13 | BobOfDoom | or maybe its |
| 06:39.18 | BobOfDoom | /sys/devices/platform/palmt650_pm_gsm |
| 06:39.35 | raster | yes |
| 06:39.36 | raster | got it |
| 06:39.45 | BobOfDoom | ah cool |
| 06:39.52 | raster | aaah |
| 06:39.54 | raster | not powered on |
| 06:40.00 | raster | root@palmt650:/sys/devices/platform/palmt650-pm-gsm# cat power_on |
| 06:40.00 | raster | 0 |
| 06:40.06 | BobOfDoom | ok in minicom |
| 06:40.12 | BobOfDoom | in comm paremeters option menu thing |
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| 06:40.21 | raster | yup |
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| 06:40.39 | BobOfDoom | do you have? A <enxt> B <prev> C 9600 D 38400.. etc? |
| 06:40.47 | raster | hmm |
| 06:40.48 | raster | no |
| 06:40.52 | BobOfDoom | dang |
| 06:40.55 | raster | a is 300 |
| 06:40.57 | raster | b is 1200 |
| 06:40.57 | BobOfDoom | maybe itsa debian patch |
| 06:41.03 | BobOfDoom | ok |
| 06:41.06 | BobOfDoom | the other hacky way |
| 06:41.09 | BobOfDoom | is start minicom |
| 06:41.14 | BobOfDoom | and in other term |
| 06:41.16 | BobOfDoom | do stty |
| 06:41.21 | BobOfDoom | and change the baud |
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| 06:41.49 | BobOfDoom | stty -F /dev/ttyS0 speed 460800 |
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| 06:42.19 | BobOfDoom | or it might be ospeed and ispeed instead of jsut speed |
| 06:42.21 | BobOfDoom | I can't tremember |
| 06:43.35 | raster | ooh strabnge |
| 06:44.07 | raster | stty -F /dev/ttyS0 speed |
| 06:44.07 | raster | stty: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output error |
| 06:45.18 | BobOfDoom | erg |
| 06:45.20 | BobOfDoom | oh |
| 06:45.25 | BobOfDoom | do dmesg | grep FFUART |
| 06:45.36 | raster | nada |
| 06:45.42 | BobOfDoom | dang nabbit |
| 06:45.50 | BobOfDoom | ok |
| 06:45.57 | BobOfDoom | maybe its missing the driver |
| 06:46.11 | BobOfDoom | just a sec |
| 06:46.25 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.28 | raster | is definitely there |
| 06:46.57 | BobOfDoom | right, that's the power management |
| 06:47.02 | BobOfDoom | seems like its missing the serial driver |
| 06:47.03 | BobOfDoom | or.. |
| 06:47.04 | BobOfDoom | actually |
| 06:47.09 | raster | ooh |
| 06:47.11 | BobOfDoom | did you have phone on in palmos before booting? |
| 06:47.12 | raster | BAD kernelBAD |
| 06:47.29 | raster | spanks the kernel |
| 06:47.31 | raster | hgmm |
| 06:47.31 | raster | no |
| 06:47.35 | raster | it doesnt even have a sim card in |
| 06:47.39 | BobOfDoom | ah |
| 06:47.47 | BobOfDoom | well you don't need a SIM probably |
| 06:47.51 | raster | shouldnt |
| 06:47.52 | BobOfDoom | but turn the modem on before boot |
| 06:48.02 | raster | i should be abel to at least talk to it to find out if i have a sim card! |
| 06:48.05 | BobOfDoom | otherwise it seems to not detect serial |
| 06:48.06 | raster | hmm |
| 06:48.08 | raster | ok |
| 06:48.11 | BobOfDoom | I need to fix that |
| 06:48.52 | raster | does the cocoboot dance |
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| 06:49.42 | BobOfDoom | http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/zImage <-- if it's still missing try this.. |
| 06:49.48 | BobOfDoom | oh |
| 06:49.57 | BobOfDoom | and once you've booted with phone on |
| 06:50.04 | BobOfDoom | echo 0 > pwoer_on; echo 1 > power_on |
| 06:50.05 | BobOfDoom | to reset it |
| 06:50.09 | BobOfDoom | out of MUX mode |
| 06:50.13 | BobOfDoom | then it should talk to you |
| 06:50.14 | BobOfDoom | I hope |
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| 06:50.41 | BobOfDoom | otherwise it'll be an anti-social bum |
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| 06:52.20 | raster | grumbles and sticks in his sim czard |
| 06:55.06 | raster | hmmmm |
| 06:55.08 | raster | phone still off |
| 06:55.12 | raster | how do i trun it on damnity |
| 06:57.10 | BobOfDoom | hold red phoone button |
| 06:57.15 | BobOfDoom | you mean ni palmso? |
| 06:58.00 | BobOfDoom | hold red phone button until it does it's little dance |
| 06:58.04 | BobOfDoom | and the leds starts flash |
| 06:58.07 | BobOfDoom | and whatever |
| 06:59.20 | BobOfDoom | ok, I gtg, going out for dinner, I'll be back in a few hours to hear the war story of how it went |
| 06:59.23 | BobOfDoom | good luck |
| 06:59.26 | raster | ooho |
| 06:59.27 | raster | HOLD it |
| 06:59.29 | raster | damnit! |
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| 07:00.39 | BobOfDoom | oh, one other hint, once you've got it talking, if you do AT+CFUN=1 to power up the radio and connect it'll go to sleep and stop responding after a while |
| 07:00.49 | BobOfDoom | to wake it up, use the wake file in that /sys directory |
| 07:00.58 | BobOfDoom | toggle wake off and on |
| 07:01.07 | BobOfDoom | and it should start talking again |
| 07:01.15 | BobOfDoom | it's very temperamental that modem |
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| 07:06.00 | raster | BobOfDoom: i'll see |
| 07:06.05 | raster | had to reboot with your kernel |
| 07:06.07 | raster | no UART |
| 07:06.38 | spyre | looks like it'll take a while untill you get to try gsmd2 ;) |
| 07:07.36 | raster | spyre: booting now |
| 07:07.39 | raster | lets see |
| 07:10.37 | raster | hmm |
| 07:10.41 | raster | usb consol not workies |
| 07:10.42 | raster | booo |
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| 07:13.52 | raster | BobOfDoom: evil man! that kernel doesnt have usbnet working properly :( |
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| 07:33.41 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki 07gsmd2 * rd7357efab3a5 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Applied raster's patches to remove dbus-binding-tools' directories |
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| 07:55.41 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 07:55.51 | kd8ikt | pain in the butt eh? |
| 07:56.00 | kd8ikt | and no default console |
| 07:56.11 | kd8ikt | i gots no terminal to try fixin things |
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| 07:58.17 | kd8ikt | wifi too |
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| 08:18.06 | Kensan_ | spyre: thank you for the info about gsmd2. |
| 08:19.22 | spyre | np |
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| 09:16.58 | PBeck | hi |
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| 09:23.16 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4727 10/developers/raster/ompower/main.h: Update to match E svnrev 36882. |
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| 09:48.48 | BobOfDoom | raster: oh, right, I was playing with usb host |
| 09:48.48 | BobOfDoom | raster: sorry |
| 09:49.08 | raster | bad bob! |
| 09:49.09 | raster | bad! |
| 09:49.10 | raster | :) |
| 09:50.26 | BobOfDoom | oh, hey there's now a MIDI USB gadget driver XD |
| 09:50.36 | BobOfDoom | and a printer one |
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| 09:51.04 | raster | hmmm |
| 09:51.11 | raster | most interesting |
| 09:51.17 | raster | let your phone pretned to be a prt |
| 09:51.19 | raster | actually |
| 09:51.23 | raster | that would be pretty cool |
| 09:51.29 | raster | for windows weenies |
| 09:51.42 | raster | "i want to copy my business document to my phone? how do i do it?" |
| 09:51.46 | raster | "just print to it u fool!" |
| 09:51.47 | raster | :) |
| 09:51.52 | LionKMP | LOL |
| 09:51.54 | BobOfDoom | :D |
| 09:52.42 | BobOfDoom | compiles |
| 09:52.42 | viq | Haha :D |
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| 09:52.56 | viq | Hm, if itcould pretend to be a bluetooth printer... |
| 09:53.32 | Pander | ok, I have build with openmake (maek setup and make inage)and can do make run-qemu. how do I know that I am running the latest stable for freerunner? |
| 09:54.27 | LionKMP | download the image to "images" folder and make flash-qemu (at least that's how it worked 5 months ago when I last tried) |
| 09:54.54 | BobOfDoom | raster: http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/zImage |
| 09:55.06 | BobOfDoom | lets see what I've screwed up this time.. |
| 09:55.07 | LionKMP | download all of uboot kernel and rootfs to that folder, Pander. |
| 09:56.28 | BobOfDoom | GSM PM, check. UART drive, check. Ethernet gadget, check. MMC, check. |
| 09:56.33 | BobOfDoom | hoppefully that one is good |
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| 09:59.29 | raster | lets see |
| 10:01.18 | raster | usb ok |
| 10:01.26 | raster | pxa2xx-uart.0: ttyS0 at MMIO 0x40100000 (irq = 22) is a FFUART |
| 10:01.27 | raster | pxa2xx-uart.1: ttyS1 at MMIO 0x40200000 (irq = 21) is a BTUART |
| 10:01.27 | raster | pxa2xx-uart.2: ttyS2 at MMIO 0x40700000 (irq = 20) is a STUART |
| 10:01.28 | raster | pants on |
| 10:02.16 | raster | ok |
| 10:02.19 | raster | a stem along |
| 10:02.23 | raster | still no juice with minicom |
| 10:02.24 | raster | eats |
| 10:02.25 | raster | bbl; |
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| 10:05.19 | toffen | hi there |
| 10:05.54 | toffen | is anybody from openmoko inc. available? |
| 10:08.51 | mjr | no, they're all married to Sean |
| 10:10.02 | mickey|munich | 20:00 in Taipei, most are out of the office ;) |
| 10:10.09 | mickey|munich | why? |
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| 10:16.40 | pb__ | tch, part-timers |
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| 10:34.09 | Pander | Hmm, pointer of LionKMP is not working, there is no more flash-qemu, but a local and official version. What should I use to emulate testing-om-gta02-20081024.uImage |
| 10:34.36 | LionKMP | ehm, sorry, let me check that Makefile for correct target name, moment. |
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| 10:35.14 | LionKMP | make flash-qemu-official |
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| 10:35.21 | Pander | or is this the way to go: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu |
| 10:35.29 | rooly|away | whew doggie |
| 10:35.30 | rooly|away | finished |
| 10:35.33 | LionKMP | but that was unable to flash gta02 images (because Qemu emulated gta01 I think) |
| 10:35.46 | Pander | I just want to get started with easy emulation and later also contribute fixes |
| 10:35.52 | rooly|away | had a >=6 page research paper due today |
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| 10:35.58 | rooly|away | started it yesterday |
| 10:36.01 | rooly|away | horay for being done |
| 10:36.02 | LionKMP | i don't know what it does today, but maybe you'll need a gta01 image of the same. |
| 10:36.22 | LionKMP | rooly|away: congratulations :) |
| 10:36.43 | LionKMP | Pander: I don't use Qemu since I have the device. |
| 10:36.50 | rooly|away | it's on the language surrounding copyright and patent infringement |
| 10:37.03 | LionKMP | qemu was unusable slow on my Opteron 144 Sun workstation :( |
| 10:37.54 | rooly|away | basically, i state that since an idea does not exist, it cannot be stolen. since IP is ownership of an idea, and an idea cannot be stolen, IP cannot be stolen, only infringed. and while both are still illegal, they are mutually exclusive of each other |
| 10:38.05 | Pander | I have the device when I pick it up from the post office ;) but emulation is good to test before uploading, not? |
| 10:38.50 | rooly|away | okay |
| 10:38.58 | rooly|away | gonna go get a few hours of sleep |
| 10:39.00 | rooly|away | g'night |
| 10:39.05 | LionKMP | cya :) |
| 10:39.11 | rooly|away | damn paper is due in like 3.5 hours |
| 10:39.43 | LionKMP | Pander: well, it would be very cool to get info from Openmoko inc explaining how they really develop the software. But I don't think they use Qemu. |
| 10:40.38 | LionKMP | Pander: there are so many ways described in the Wiki, just need to find the right one. :) (And I heard about another which is not even described there but sounds very good!) |
| 10:40.44 | masked | i believe they use crayons and a scrapbook |
| 10:40.51 | Pander | I have seen just too many different download and how to emulate wiki pages so I'm a bit lost |
| 10:40.57 | Pander | haha |
| 10:41.40 | LionKMP | Pander: me too :( (Currently I am building sidplayer by OpenEmbedded, will see how it works :) ) |
| 10:41.57 | LionKMP | but I don't know how to actually modify program, which is part of the big openembedded thing. |
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| 10:42.34 | Pander | perhaps it is better to formulate an exact question for the mailinglist, what is THE way to download latest stable, make your changes and be able to build, emulate and install on your device |
| 10:42.53 | LionKMP | hey depends on WHAT you want to change. What you plan to change first? |
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| 10:43.26 | LionKMP | not that I will know the answer... :) |
| 10:43.41 | Pander | hmm, first to get this development street working. changes would be in the applications and/or the system, but not too low level |
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| 10:51.20 | LionKMP | ok, I'll read answers to that on the list :) |
| 10:51.56 | viq | Any success/failure stories for any mail client using IMAP+SSL ? |
| 10:52.21 | LionKMP | meanwhile make flash-qemu-official should flash the images, maybe gta01 only. |
| 10:52.50 | LionKMP | viq: didn't test too much, but failed, Qtmail (Messages). |
| 10:53.07 | LionKMP | then I saw somewhere that this feature is not ready yet, so I did not try again. |
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| 10:56.05 | viq | ok |
| 10:56.17 | viq | That's one ;) |
| 11:06.22 | BobOfDoom | raster: http://www.meshy.org/~ato/tmp/minicom.html |
| 11:07.29 | raster | BobOfDoom: │ E - Bps/Par/Bits : 460800 8N1 │ |
| 11:07.40 | raster | i just manually edited the minrc |
| 11:07.53 | raster | hmm |
| 11:07.58 | raster | no flow control eh? |
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| 11:09.14 | BobOfDoom | lemme check if it works with flow control |
| 11:09.19 | BobOfDoom | I just turn it off from habit |
| 11:09.38 | raster | nothing |
| 11:09.41 | raster | identical minirc |
| 11:10.04 | raster | # Machine-generated file - use "minicom -s" to change parameters. |
| 11:10.04 | raster | pr port /dev/ttyS0 |
| 11:10.04 | raster | pu baudrate 460800 |
| 11:10.04 | raster | pu minit |
| 11:10.04 | raster | pu mreset |
| 11:10.05 | raster | pu rtscts No |
| 11:10.26 | raster | pxa2xx-uart.0: ttyS0 at MMIO 0x40100000 (irq = 22) is a FFUART |
| 11:10.26 | raster | pxa2xx-uart.1: ttyS1 at MMIO 0x40200000 (irq = 21) is a BTUART |
| 11:10.26 | raster | pxa2xx-uart.2: ttyS2 at MMIO 0x40700000 (irq = 20) is a STUART |
| 11:10.40 | raster | palmt650_gsm: Setting GSM power to 0 |
| 11:10.40 | raster | palmt650_gsm: Setting GSM power to 1 |
| 11:10.51 | raster | i've reset that sucker a dozen times |
| 11:10.51 | BobOfDoom | :/ |
| 11:10.58 | raster | serial port is dead |
| 11:11.01 | raster | no sim card tho |
| 11:11.01 | BobOfDoom | hmm |
| 11:11.20 | BobOfDoom | did you use that minicom binary I pasted? |
| 11:11.29 | flexd_ | I know this isnt the qtopia channel, but does anyone know if this is a known bug? : |
| 11:11.32 | raster | oh no |
| 11:11.34 | raster | not the bin |
| 11:11.34 | BobOfDoom | I mean linked from the minicom.html |
| 11:11.41 | BobOfDoom | try that one, from debian |
| 11:11.48 | flexd_ | The phone goes mad, displays no menu items and does not allow me to enter a pin code. (theres no numbers to press!) |
| 11:11.57 | BobOfDoom | maybe yours doesn't actually do 460800 even if you hack the config |
| 11:12.34 | BobOfDoom | if that doesn't help then I'm completely out of ideas |
| 11:14.01 | raster | aaaah |
| 11:14.02 | raster | yes |
| 11:14.10 | raster | it does limit ti even if the config says otherwise |
| 11:14.19 | raster | AT.. .okaaaay! |
| 11:14.22 | raster | baybeeey |
| 11:14.25 | BobOfDoom | LD |
| 11:14.27 | BobOfDoom | :D |
| 11:14.28 | BobOfDoom | woohoo |
| 11:14.42 | raster | ATPANTSON |
| 11:14.42 | raster | ERROR |
| 11:14.44 | raster | poo |
| 11:14.48 | raster | doesnt grok PANTSON |
| 11:15.32 | Kensan_ | snikers |
| 11:16.02 | raster | MRDY is happi |
| 11:16.27 | raster | i guess this means... gsdm2 will need soem luv |
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| 11:17.09 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r2df03f6fc98d 10/packages/efl1/ (eina_svn.bb files/Eina_Bool_casting_problem.patch): [eina] Add a patch to eina |
| 11:17.10 | Kensan_ | raster: are you taking a closer look at gsmd2? |
| 11:17.24 | raster | yesh |
| 11:17.28 | raster | *huc* |
| 11:17.32 | raster | *hic* |
| 11:18.38 | Kensan_ | cool. Testing on the treo? Is it a drop-in replacement for ogsmd? |
| 11:19.05 | raster | not completely |
| 11:19.08 | raster | but could be i think |
| 11:23.27 | mickey|munich | shakes head |
| 11:23.37 | mickey|munich | and smiles |
| 11:23.38 | raster | it couldnt be? |
| 11:23.45 | mickey|munich | oh it can |
| 11:24.57 | raster | it should very much make life on the treo... sane |
| 11:24.58 | mickey|munich | spyre will surely catch up with the new API |
| 11:25.06 | mickey|munich | although you will miss the other framework goodies |
| 11:25.06 | raster | tried frameworkd |
| 11:25.12 | raster | yeah |
| 11:25.14 | raster | known |
| 11:25.18 | raster | one thing at a time |
| 11:25.19 | raster | :) |
| 11:25.22 | mickey|munich | heh |
| 11:25.26 | mickey|munich | you still dreaming of a pure-C system right? |
| 11:25.33 | mickey|munich | or considering asm already? :D |
| 11:25.38 | Kensan_ | heh |
| 11:25.52 | raster | more draming of a system that works :) |
| 11:25.55 | raster | frameworkd is just too heavy for the treo |
| 11:25.57 | Kensan_ | raster: don't we all |
| 11:26.02 | raster | the boot is slowed down massively |
| 11:26.15 | Kensan_ | nods |
| 11:26.20 | raster | x/e/ui come to a grinding halt as sd io and cache thrashing kick in |
| 11:26.32 | raster | can just run the tterminal app |
| 11:26.42 | raster | and then basically have 1m free |
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| 11:26.54 | raster | and it takes a few minutes for terminal to start |
| 11:26.54 | raster | :( |
| 11:27.09 | raster | (whereas without fwd it's a few seconds) |
| 11:27.29 | raster | so as such there is no choice but to look at alternatives |
| 11:27.48 | raster | BUT keep an api that is the same as fso |
| 11:27.55 | raster | that way it all plays nice |
| 11:28.10 | spyre | mickey|munich: I'm waiting for you to stabilize FSO API ;) |
| 11:30.17 | mickey|munich | spyre: org.freesmartphone.GSM.* will be announced as 0.9 within the next 6 weeks |
| 11:30.30 | mickey|munich | i'm very confident with it as it stands |
| 11:30.42 | raster | mickey|munich: awesome |
| 11:31.08 | Kensan_ | mickey|munich: that's good news |
| 11:31.41 | lindi- | mickey|munich: i probably asked this already but have you managed to see return values of method calls with dbus-monitor? |
| 11:31.51 | lindi- | mickey|munich: it'd greatly help me in debugging frameworkd |
| 11:32.07 | mickey|munich | lindi-: did not try again |
| 11:32.13 | mickey|munich | try enabling eavesdropping mode in dbus |
| 11:32.53 | lindi- | mickey|munich: i did |
| 11:33.00 | lindi- | mickey|munich: i can see all signals and calls but no returns |
| 11:36.36 | Kensan_ | raster: did you see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/002768.html ? |
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| 11:39.02 | raster | Kensan_: yes saw. didnty look @ chart tho |
| 11:39.37 | raster | their enlightenment start time is pretty long |
| 11:39.59 | raster | especially until enlightenment_init (The splash slave process) |
| 11:40.20 | raster | oooh |
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| 11:40.22 | raster | no exqusitie boot |
| 11:40.24 | raster | that may be why |
| 11:40.52 | Kensan_ | where's device initialization? |
| 11:40.56 | Kensan_ | hm |
| 11:41.37 | raster | funny that bootchart spots e's zombie children |
| 11:41.45 | raster | (until it finally reaps their returns) |
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| 11:43.35 | Shlee | "I have Android nearly fully functional on the Freerunner." That was fast |
| 11:44.18 | mickey|munich | lindi-: try asking on the dbus mailing list |
| 11:44.23 | mickey|munich | bbiab, taking the train to FRA now |
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| 11:49.24 | flexd_ | Shlee: Who? :O |
| 11:49.27 | flexd_ | wnats |
| 11:51.01 | Shlee | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/002747.html |
| 11:59.37 | flexd_ | cool |
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| 12:48.11 | CoLd | openmoko still beta ??? |
| 12:48.30 | kd8ikt | omfg sdcard whoahs |
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| 12:51.08 | kd8ikt | throws his freerunner against the wall |
| 12:51.47 | Sup3rkiddo | the wall breaks |
| 12:52.45 | kd8ikt | this is really bugging me |
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| 12:53.10 | Dave | Nice |
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| 12:53.51 | kd8ikt | Dave: fix my computer |
| 12:54.22 | Sup3rkiddo | sudo might help :D |
| 12:54.29 | viq | What, cut off it's reproductive parts? ;) |
| 12:54.44 | kd8ikt | sudo rm -rf / ; echo problem solved |
| 12:55.04 | viq | echo: command not found |
| 12:55.05 | viq | ;) |
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| 12:56.12 | kd8ikt | is it just me or are others having SDHC issues? |
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| 12:58.15 | Dave | haha |
| 12:58.24 | Dave | kd8, corruption or IO issues? |
| 12:58.32 | Dave | then yes |
| 12:58.33 | Soulnoob | <--- No SDHC -- no SDHC issues. |
| 12:58.37 | kd8ikt | io |
| 12:58.39 | Dave | o_o |
| 12:58.58 | kd8ikt | IO errors kinda coincide with corruption |
| 12:59.03 | gromez | kd8ikt: i have no more SDHC issue with latest kernels |
| 12:59.58 | kd8ikt | daily? |
| 13:00.18 | gromez | at least those from FSO |
| 13:00.36 | gromez | i didn't try the one from OM |
| 13:01.01 | gromez | mwester kernel is ok too |
| 13:01.01 | MrShleee | It isn't designed for HC.. the kernel has recent patches to improve the compatability/stability |
| 13:01.04 | MrShleee | so try that out |
| 13:02.36 | kd8ikt | glamo-mci error ofter 0xblah |
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| 13:07.03 | kd8ikt | usb booting sounds more viable at the moment |
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| 13:15.02 | kd8ikt | guess i could try this uboot sd clock hack see if that fixes it |
| 13:15.32 | gromez | kd8ikt: have you tried the latest mwester kernel ? |
| 13:15.43 | mwester | Yes, folks are reporting SDHC issues. But what we need is a bug report with lotsa details (if one doesn't exist already) -- especially including things like the mfgr of the card and size so someone can duplicate it. |
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| 13:17.17 | kd8ikt | my card isnt exactly top shelf |
| 13:17.41 | kd8ikt | 2GB i baught for like 10$ |
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| 13:19.25 | gromez | 2GB is not SDHC |
| 13:19.58 | mwester | Ah, well that's what the devs needs to know. It should work with all cards, but the right timings would be different for THAT problem than another reported on IRC yesterday (which was with a Sandisk 4GB card, which should be the reference card, IMO). |
| 13:20.56 | mwester | The driver needs to adapt, and I think it's not doing that as well as it used to, or perhaps its "adapting" too well and getting the final timings wrong... |
| 13:21.05 | kd8ikt | so... |
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| 13:26.14 | kd8ikt | hang myself? |
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| 13:37.22 | LionKMP | No static library support for platform/compiler linux-gnueabi-arm-g++-static |
| 13:37.24 | mwester | Either that, or open a bug report with all the specifics (card mfgr, capacity, filesystem types and partitioning, and any bits of log file or output you can get . |
| 13:37.40 | LionKMP | Hi, I get that when trying to build a program in OM OE bitbake |
| 13:37.42 | kd8ikt | thats a lot of work |
| 13:37.52 | mwester | kd8ikt: Yep. |
| 13:38.03 | LionKMP | Available platforms: cygwin-arm-g++ cygwin-ipaq-g++ cygwin-sharp-g++ freebsd-g++ linux-a |
| 13:38.03 | LionKMP | rm-g++ |
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| 13:40.02 | Hire1 | uff |
| 13:40.12 | Hire1 | today i can't study :\ |
| 13:40.28 | LionKMP | http://pastebin.ca/1235668 here is the error output paste. |
| 13:40.32 | Hire1 | i feel so depressed |
| 13:40.37 | Hire1 | *sigh* |
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| 14:04.10 | slaxxin | fdom-latest went all night on 1/2 battery in suspend an woke up this morning an dialed a call |
| 14:04.26 | slaxxin | YAY |
| 14:05.20 | igor321 | omg |
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| 14:38.15 | PBeck | Ahoi seemänner :D |
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| 14:49.37 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03olv 07org.openmoko.dev * rd79040adc749 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [Locations] Bump up the rev to 88ecdbab66d1586a8d12a6f83bb40e25336d3086. |
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| 14:50.28 | pthorin | lol |
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| 14:50.41 | pthorin | :) lovely nickname |
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| 14:52.51 | Pander | hi all |
| 14:55.41 | peter_b | hi |
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| 15:01.24 | Pander | short question, what version of openmoko are you all running? |
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| 15:03.08 | mwester | There is no short answer to such a vast question. To which firmware image to you refer? |
| 15:04.25 | Pander | freerunner, i just upgraded to 2008.9 but the phone pin is only alpha, not numeric. discovered that this bug is from august and still not fixed. hance my question |
| 15:05.58 | sicu | Pander: check channel topic |
| 15:06.17 | sicu | Pander: Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 15:07.57 | Pander | 2008.8 or 2008.8-update? |
| 15:09.10 | sicu | makes no difference to that issue iirc ... slide finger up on both |
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| 15:11.51 | slaxxin | yeeeee haaaaa |
| 15:12.25 | Hire1 | testing images now works |
| 15:13.08 | slaxxin | got me little italian-spanish owned openmoko an ready to ride:) |
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| 15:13.39 | slaxxin | gotta try the neopwn |
| 15:14.27 | Pander | sicu: thanks, so 2008.8-update is sort of the most stable/workable at this moment? |
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| 15:15.10 | mwester | That's rather like asking which desert has more water. |
| 15:15.12 | mwester | :) |
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| 15:15.39 | sicu | mwester: haha |
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| 15:15.57 | slaxxin | i think fdom-latest release is well done |
| 15:16.17 | sicu | slaxxin: no major issues so far then ? |
| 15:16.20 | mwester | It depends on what you want the device to do. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions will provide some info |
| 15:16.43 | slaxxin | lint-wifi hooked me up on an open wifi |
| 15:17.31 | slaxxin | tangogps hooked up in 3 minuits insidee the house with no ext antenea |
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| 15:18.10 | slaxxin | suspended overnight with no reboot an still operates well as a phone |
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| 15:18.35 | Soulnoob | is the touchscreen lockable? |
| 15:18.56 | slaxxin | there are alsa issues as far as i can tell |
| 15:19.15 | slaxxin | yes |
| 15:19.32 | Soulnoob | slaxxin: I'm upgrading. ^_^ |
| 15:19.56 | slaxxin | how do u use the upgrade script? |
| 15:20.08 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:21.38 | Soulnoob | oh, I guess I wont do upgrade, just untar the image |
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| 15:21.50 | warlock | re |
| 15:22.05 | Soulnoob | What kernel to use? |
| 15:22.23 | break_free | hey, i'm thinking of flashing FSO milestone 3, but does it have a contact importer yet? I have tons of contacts and if it doesn't have one it's kinda useless to me |
| 15:22.36 | warlock | why is it that the freerunner dont get a fix with gps??? |
| 15:22.38 | slaxxin | wiki says .. |
| 15:22.48 | Hire1 | wiki says naaaaaaaahhhhhh |
| 15:23.00 | slaxxin | lol |
| 15:23.01 | break_free | warlock, what distro are you running? |
| 15:23.16 | slaxxin | 20080913 |
| 15:23.24 | Pander | soo 2008.8-update with FDOM is 'advisable' ;) |
| 15:23.27 | warlock | FDOM |
| 15:23.49 | break_free | hm, i got a fix with FDOM |
| 15:23.58 | warlock | the most resent |
| 15:24.03 | slaxxin | yup |
| 15:24.04 | break_free | although I haven't tried the newer FDOM |
| 15:24.14 | slaxxin | very quickly |
| 15:24.21 | break_free | anyone know if FSO has a contact importer? |
| 15:24.27 | warlock | nope i do see blue dbm lines in the test tool but i dont get a fix |
| 15:24.58 | Soulnoob | did not get a fix with gta-01 kernel on gta02 hw. |
| 15:25.20 | slaxxin | did u turn it on in settings? |
| 15:25.36 | slaxxin | haha |
| 15:26.10 | warlock | *duh* :P |
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| 15:26.32 | Soulnoob | warlock: Have you ever had gps working? It's not the capacitor thingie? |
| 15:26.37 | white_gecko | hello |
| 15:26.48 | white_gecko | i have installed pythm |
| 15:26.54 | mwester | Soulnoob: how did you manage to boot a gta01 kernel on a gta02??? |
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| 15:26.57 | white_gecko | where do i have to put my music? |
| 15:27.14 | Hire1 | mwester: it's the magic kernel ! |
| 15:27.21 | warlock | the capacitor is solderd in and nope it never worked.... :( |
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| 15:28.02 | df_aldur | my gps has never worked either, but I've not put much effort into investigating why |
| 15:28.16 | Soulnoob | mwester: I dont know if I did. But I had gps dates going crazy at some point. I checked the download directory and could find a gta01-image in there |
| 15:28.36 | Soulnoob | mwester: I can try it again, |
| 15:28.42 | mwester | Soulnoob: No don't do that! |
| 15:28.45 | break_free | GPS worked for me even back with OM2008.8 |
| 15:28.54 | Soulnoob | :D |
| 15:29.08 | warlock | without external antenna??? |
| 15:29.19 | mwester | THe GTA01 kernel is intended for the GTA01 hardware, if it boots at all on the GTA02 that's a) amazing b) wrong and c) certainly not going to work correctly. |
| 15:29.24 | break_free | warlock, yeah |
| 15:29.26 | warlock | i thought maybe the signal is to weak |
| 15:29.30 | warlock | hmzzzz\ |
| 15:29.47 | break_free | warlock, it did take a minute or two, and I had to be outside.... |
| 15:30.05 | Pander | for installing FDOM, you need also Om2008.8-gta02-20080903.uImage.bin ? |
| 15:30.10 | Soulnoob | mwester: Yeah, I could not ssh to it. The diode on my usb hub shut off (it never did that) |
| 15:30.13 | warlock | ok... outside... im only did try it inside.... |
| 15:30.21 | der-lehmann | white_gecko: you can add music with pythm itself! |
| 15:30.29 | warlock | so maybe ..... ill try it later after work :) |
| 15:30.37 | break_free | warlock, yeah you aren't going to get a fix inside |
| 15:30.38 | white_gecko | der-lehmann: wher? |
| 15:30.40 | Soulnoob | s/never did/normally never do/ |
| 15:30.51 | white_gecko | der-lehmann: and how |
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| 15:31.03 | der-lehmann | click on the last tab |
| 15:31.11 | white_gecko | yes+ |
| 15:31.24 | warlock | OK thats obvouse then... thnx break_free |
| 15:31.29 | white_gecko | there is only mpd |
| 15:31.31 | warlock | +i |
| 15:31.42 | white_gecko | and a very small scrollbar |
| 15:31.44 | white_gecko | and mplayer |
| 15:32.05 | white_gecko | both inactive and disconnected |
| 15:32.11 | break_free | warlock, np |
| 15:32.30 | der-lehmann | actived mplayer |
| 15:32.50 | break_free | is OM going to use qtextended for telephony? |
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| 15:33.04 | break_free | 4.4.1 |
| 15:33.46 | der-lehmann | you got ist? |
| 15:34.00 | mwester | break_free: no |
| 15:34.01 | white_gecko | i think i have to install mplayer first |
| 15:34.21 | warlock | ppls laterzzzzzz |
| 15:34.24 | der-lehmann | not a bad idea |
| 15:34.30 | white_gecko | :-) |
| 15:34.32 | break_free | mwester, is there a reason? I really like 4.1.1, it's pretty slick |
| 15:35.03 | Pander | hmmm, about FDOM, is this the URL? http://www.tuxbrain.com/fdom_en.html If so, on the OM wiki is an old version. |
| 15:35.04 | white_gecko | now i have mplayer installed |
| 15:35.15 | mwester | break_free: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1336450|a1336450 |
| 15:35.21 | mwester | Thank goodness for that too |
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| 15:35.43 | white_gecko | now i have activated mplayer |
| 15:36.11 | white_gecko | but how do i add music? |
| 15:36.26 | der-lehmann | go to the third tab |
| 15:36.45 | white_gecko | yes |
| 15:37.24 | der-lehmann | do you have music on your sd card? |
| 15:37.33 | white_gecko | in my home directory |
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| 15:37.52 | white_gecko | 1 ogg and 2 mp3 |
| 15:38.26 | der-lehmann | do you see a directory list |
| 15:38.32 | white_gecko | no |
| 15:39.07 | der-lehmann | mplyer is active anc connected |
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| 15:39.18 | white_gecko | i see "Dir | File" and an empty list |
| 15:39.30 | white_gecko | mplayer acive connected |
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| 15:40.02 | q0b | hi! is there a developer channel .. (channel in the topic seems empty) |
| 15:40.08 | break_free | mwester, so will OM have it's own telephony? |
| 15:40.26 | der-lehmann | sorry that all waht i know |
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| 15:40.34 | white_gecko | hm ok |
| 15:40.39 | white_gecko | but thankyou |
| 15:40.44 | white_gecko | i will look later |
| 15:40.56 | white_gecko | i have to leave now |
| 15:41.03 | white_gecko | but thankyou very muche |
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| 15:41.06 | der-lehmann | or test anozher mediaplayer |
| 15:41.08 | mwester | break_free: If they can make money from that, but there's no reason for them to do so any more. |
| 15:41.32 | mwester | They are supporting other projects instead -- I think that's a better model. |
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| 15:41.50 | break_free | mwester, ah I see |
| 15:42.18 | mwester | We'll be able to choose from Qtopia/QT Extended, or Android, or the FSO framework. |
| 15:42.44 | break_free | slightly less fragmented then :) |
| 15:42.49 | mwester | Om should just be providing open hardware, and the necessary libraries and kernel support for those three middlewares. |
| 15:43.20 | mwester | That will let Om focus, and give us the widest and best choices of what to use. |
| 15:43.39 | mwester | The only problem is that it leaves us (users) without a good choice at the moment. |
| 15:44.12 | mwester | I think QT Extended has the most promise for a short-term solution, assuming that Om can fix the hardware/driver problems that have plagued the FR since it was shipped. |
| 15:44.29 | mwester | Personally, I think FSO is the most interesting to the community. |
| 15:44.44 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * raf45354b4046 10/fsod/ (18 files in 14 dirs): Rename FSO namespace to FSOD |
| 15:44.45 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf61a894da217 10/fsod/ (11 files in 6 dirs): |
| 15:44.45 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Use GLib's log wherever possible instead of g_message |
| 15:44.45 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Change the factory signature of subsystems. Now it should be |
| 15:44.45 | mwester | But there is also a lot to be said for Android, especially if you are a Java person. |
| 15:44.47 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Init<name> (FSOD.Service service) |
| 15:44.49 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Add fsod-python-plugin vapi. Initialize Python Interpreter |
| 15:45.32 | q0b | i've got a problem with the MokoMakefile queue (with some freesmartphone.org packages nearly at the end) .. someone here who can help with that? |
| 15:46.10 | mwester | Nobody knows until you describe the problem (and maybe pastebin the logs) |
| 15:46.32 | q0b | i think they've changed from svn to git .. |
| 15:46.38 | q0b | wait.. log is coming.. |
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| 15:46.54 | q0b | NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/py-odeviced_projects.linuxtogo.org_.svn.smartphones.trunk.software_190_.tar.gz |
| 15:46.57 | q0b | --2008-10-24 16:58:59-- http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/py-odeviced_projects.linuxtogo.org_.svn.smartphones.trunk.software_190_.tar.gz |
| 15:47.00 | q0b | Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219 |
| 15:47.03 | q0b | Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected. |
| 15:47.05 | q0b | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
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| 15:47.08 | q0b | 2008-10-24 16:58:59 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 15:47.10 | q0b | NOTE: Fetch svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk/software;module=py-odeviced |
| 15:47.13 | q0b | svn: File not found: revision 305, path '/trunk/software/py-odeviced' |
| 15:47.16 | q0b | NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: Fetch command export PATH=/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/sbin:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/cross/bin:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/sbin:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/bitbake/bin:/usr/loc |
| 15:47.21 | Hire1 | ... |
| 15:47.23 | q0b | svn: File not found: revision 305, path '/trunk/software/py-odeviced' |
| 15:47.25 | q0b | NOTE: package py-odeviced-0.7.9+svnr190-r0: task do_fetch: failed |
| 15:47.26 | Hire1 | use pastebin ... |
| 15:47.42 | q0b | the http download links seems already quite strange .. |
| 15:47.44 | q0b | sorry.. |
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| 15:48.46 | slaxxin | i think the reason my gps worked with latest fdom is that i had opkg upgrade to 20081022 when i put fdom on the first time |
| 15:49.37 | q0b | heres the link: http://pastebin.com/m42c0423f |
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| 15:51.49 | q0b | any idea? |
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| 15:56.35 | q0b | other question: is there a "perfect" host os and version (e.g. a specific debian or sth), for the MokoMakefile construct? i'm running current gentoo .. and i got about 200 version conficts, broken packages etc. during the build process .. |
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| 16:01.32 | GNUtoo | hello, i need ElementTree because i need gdata.service...and i've om2008.8...and it seems that element tree needs a .so file so just copying the files won't work |
| 16:01.52 | GNUtoo | what should i do to get element tree running on the openmoko? |
| 16:02.00 | GNUtoo | s/2008.8/2008.9 |
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| 16:07.45 | yang | Did anyone have success using linphone (voip client) ? |
| 16:09.38 | GNUtoo | yang, me using the binary in command line |
| 16:10.58 | GNUtoo | yang, i've also tried ekiga in debian |
| 16:11.12 | yang | oh |
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| 16:11.20 | yang | well ekiga on a neo? |
| 16:14.17 | GNUtoo | yang, yes on a freerunner...but i had to disable the echo cancelation and silence detection because it ate too much cpu...instead on the linphone binary command line uttility i was able to activate it |
| 16:14.23 | christophe | Hi ! I'm a Qt programmer and i want to compile some programs for om2008.9 but i dont know where to start, i've tryed the wiki "devellopement with eclipse c++ and Qt but it did'nt find Qt librairies :/ Can some one tell me how i can compile Qt's programms ? |
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| 16:15.51 | yang | GNUtoo: sounds promising, which codec deos it use? |
| 16:16.06 | GNUtoo | yang, don't remember...mabe speex |
| 16:16.17 | yang | ok |
| 16:17.19 | GNUtoo | christophe, i didn't try to devellop C/C++ apps for the openmoko but i know you can use openembedded in order to cross-compile apps linking them to the good libraries |
| 16:17.52 | Flyser_ | rwhitby`: ping? |
| 16:18.46 | stephelton | according to top, events/0 is eating up 20-50% of my cpu on my moko |
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| 16:19.29 | christophe | GNUtoo : thks, i'll look at this |
| 16:20.26 | mwester | stephelton: Yep, that would be the accelerometers, IIRC |
| 16:22.31 | bricode | yang: I had a post about linphone on the OM mailing list. |
| 16:22.47 | yang | url |
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| 16:23.14 | bricode | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone |
| 16:23.21 | bricode | Apparently someone posted it to the wiki. Neat. |
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| 16:24.51 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6e5f822f417e 10/framework/ (6 files in 5 dirs): |
| 16:24.51 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Resource System: work around the fact that the dbus-python bindings do not really |
| 16:24.51 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: support handling methods for one object by two different classes, |
| 16:24.51 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: not even when it's just an ancestor. |
| 16:24.52 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbf83ba3e5103 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/leds_actions.py: oeventsd: call init on base class, even if this does nothing |
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| 16:27.40 | yang | bricode: yeah i found it there |
| 16:28.11 | bricode | yang: Haven't looked at it too closely since except to try and get a gui version up and running on Debian. |
| 16:28.40 | bricode | Unfortunately since the screen is the size it is, the GUI is extremely difficult to navigate and is unusable. |
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| 16:28.54 | yang | bricode: it has a remark that it doesnt function in the last 2008/8 OM build, so you tested it on previous ones? |
| 16:29.30 | bricode | yang: I was running it on Qtopia at the time. The latest builds probably wouldn't work if they use Pulseaudio. |
| 16:29.44 | bricode | To get at the ALSA stuff, you need to kill pulse. |
| 16:29.49 | yang | ok |
| 16:30.17 | yang | i am gonna bug you later, when i am about to install it |
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| 16:42.31 | toggles_w | i set my ring to http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/linus.au now linus speaks to me from my pants when anyone calls |
| 16:42.39 | Dave | Toggles! |
| 16:42.44 | toggles_w | it can be quite disconcerting a times |
| 16:42.47 | toggles_w | Dave: ! |
| 16:42.49 | Dave | Yeah... |
| 16:42.55 | Dave | That's just wrong. |
| 16:43.00 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 16:43.16 | toggles_w | I remember when that used to come with every distro, how times change |
| 16:43.33 | Dave | ... for the better. |
| 16:43.41 | chi | what does linus say? |
| 16:43.47 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 16:43.48 | chi | i have no speakers on this box |
| 16:43.49 | chi | =\ |
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| 16:43.59 | toggles_w | "Hi my name is linus torvalds and i pronounce leeenux as leeenux" |
| 16:44.05 | chi | haha |
| 16:44.27 | Dave | Linux |
| 16:44.55 | toggles_w | slaps Dave |
| 16:44.57 | Dave | Not leenux, or leyenux, or leighnux |
| 16:45.02 | toggles_w | GNU/Leeenux |
| 16:45.51 | Dave | uggh |
| 16:46.01 | Dave | Ask him how he fucking pronounces GNU too, huh? |
| 16:46.12 | Dave | probably geennyuuuu |
| 16:47.23 | cjb_ie | leenooks |
| 16:47.45 | Dave | haha |
| 16:47.56 | Dave | chinooks? |
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| 16:48.09 | Dave | nukes? |
| 16:48.14 | Dave | nuclear wessels? |
| 16:48.18 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse! |
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| 16:51.57 | Wonka | http://alp.access-company.com/ - that UI looks likable |
| 16:52.01 | Wonka | like 2007.2 |
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| 16:55.58 | Kensan | Evening |
| 16:56.26 | Kensan | mwester: ping |
| 16:57.45 | stephelton | mwester: makes sense. i've got a pretty stock setup at the moment; what would be using the accelerometer? |
| 17:00.40 | mwester | Kensan: pong |
| 17:00.52 | mwester | stephelton: Dunno - check the mailing lists for discussion |
| 17:01.06 | Kensan | mwester: did you get a response from cesarb about git repos? |
| 17:01.16 | JaMa | Hello, can openmoko-uboot read kernel directly from rootfs nands partition? like from /boot/uImage file? |
| 17:01.26 | mwester | Nope. So after work today I'll set up a clone repo and put my branch on it. |
| 17:01.37 | mwester | JaMa: standard feature. |
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| 17:02.11 | mwester | JaMa: your default NAND boot environment should have a boot option that does that, good for an example at least. |
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| 17:03.18 | Kensan | mwester: ok good to know. |
| 17:05.00 | nuclear_eclipse | hi Dave |
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| 17:05.13 | nuclear_eclipse | how goes it? |
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| 17:08.08 | Dave | YES |
| 17:08.09 | Dave | Hello! |
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| 17:12.13 | Dave | What's new with you, nuclear_wessels? |
| 17:12.24 | JaMa | mwester: I haven't found any such example, is "fsload 0x32000000 /boot/${sd_image_name};" looking right? for loading kernel from rootfs on mtdblock6? |
| 17:13.33 | mwester | The wiki is your freind! :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
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| 17:14.36 | Dave | uggh, why is the freerunner plagued with so many IO issues. |
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| 17:16.12 | JaMa | mwester: but all examples there are from SD :/ |
| 17:17.30 | Sargun_Screen | I can't wait until v3! |
| 17:19.37 | mickey|ICExyz | gta? |
| 17:20.04 | mwester | JaMa: Isn't that what you are wanting? |
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| 17:20.39 | sicu | JaMa: http://nop0.blogspot.com/2008/09/having-multiple-distributions-on.html |
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| 17:26.39 | JaMa | mwester: no, that's I already have :), I wanted to have menu entry for booting another kernel on nand partition where rootfs is (ie from file /boot/uImage) |
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| 17:29.07 | JaMa | sicu: same problem, all from sd.. but maybe I should forget the idea to put another kernel to nand and just use different names on sd.. |
| 17:30.00 | mwester | JaMa: You'll have to check the docs for u-boot to see what the command syntax would be, or if it actually has drivers to read a jffs2 filesystem. I rather doubt that they are compiled in, if they even exist. |
| 17:30.22 | Dave | It's a conspiracy! |
| 17:30.35 | JaMa | mwester: ok, thanks a lot |
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| 17:36.54 | stephelton | mwester: thanks |
| 17:39.18 | Dave | I keep thinking that says jomamma |
| 17:39.37 | mwester | Jama: The right way to handle this is to have a mini-kernel/rootfs in flash that is always booted by u-boot (or qi on the gta03) -- that kernel would present the boot menu to the user, and allow them to boot from SD card, or JFFS2, or anything else that the kernel can read (it could even load an experimental kernel using tftp or nfs!) -- this way we don't have to worry about u-boot limitation. |
| 17:40.24 | mwester | Jama: Building that mini-kernel/rootfs is something that is yet to be done, but most of the parts are already in OE for other projects; we just need to put them together for Om. |
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| 17:50.27 | sicu | JaMa: i know it's for sd, but just thought a similar logic would apply (nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000) |
| 17:50.56 | sicu | JaMa: i dont know enough about this tough, evidently mwester does =] |
| 17:54.39 | JaMa | sicu: but this nand read.e reads i think whole partition "kernel" on nand.. fsload should be able to read jffs2 (used on rootfs), but for now I created a uboot menu entry for loading /boot/uImage-alt for testing of "secondary kernel" :) |
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| 17:57.16 | sicu | Jama: ahh, and what i found was for using 1 kernel for multiple distros, as opposed to what you were wanting to do |
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| 17:58.15 | sicu | sorry, should've read more closely |
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| 18:03.51 | Dave | aaaah girls! |
| 18:04.12 | Tm_T | Dave: not here, move along |
| 18:04.35 | der-lehmann | did u know a girl use openmoko? |
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| 18:04.58 | Tm_T | der-lehmann: I know many girls, but that's another story |
| 18:06.57 | der-lehmann | well, very nice .) |
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| 18:21.39 | AciD | hey |
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| 18:28.29 | Dave | I use an freerunner on my girl! |
| 18:28.30 | Dave | :p |
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| 18:32.03 | bricode | Like a brick? |
| 18:35.08 | sicu | or a clapper? |
| 18:35.27 | SpeedEvil | decides not to mention /sys/... |
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| 18:48.40 | badcloud27m | anyone know approximately when gta 3 should be around? |
| 18:49.16 | tomboy64 | hmm |
| 18:49.34 | badcloud27m | I'm holding out for s-video capabilities |
| 18:49.40 | tomboy64 | is there a reason why the initscript for gsm0710muxd has been removed from the package? |
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| 19:23.19 | beniwtv | Hi all, anyone can tell me what parameters in the kernel command line I need to set up the glamo framebuffer for a boot splash on the freerunner? |
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| 19:38.27 | vinicius | damn |
| 19:38.34 | vinicius | stop buying freerunners! :/ |
| 19:38.44 | vinicius | two weeks delay |
| 19:38.45 | vinicius | rages |
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| 19:48.57 | Dave | :o |
| 19:48.58 | slaxxin | i hope they have to make 10,000 more |
| 19:50.00 | slaxxin | wats going on dave? |
| 19:50.10 | slaxxin | Dave i mean |
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| 19:55.06 | Dave | slaxxins |
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| 19:58.16 | slaxxin | which u useing today?/ |
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| 20:02.16 | toutoutout | visit toutoutout.net |
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| 20:04.38 | Dave | hehe |
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| 20:07.26 | Zoup | i get lots of CRC errors on booting , any idea ? |
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| 20:10.39 | Dave | col |
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| 20:15.28 | _charly_ | hi :) |
| 20:15.47 | Dave | Hello |
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| 20:28.17 | Dave | hmm |
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| 20:29.49 | Kensan | What's that? |
| 20:30.03 | Kensan | Mr. Dave |
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| 20:32.00 | Dave | KENSAN |
| 20:32.59 | Kensan | Dave: what's up? |
| 20:33.27 | Zoup | finger Dave |
| 20:33.34 | Dave | HEY! |
| 20:33.39 | Zoup | hahaha! |
| 20:33.40 | Dave | We'll have none of that now! |
| 20:33.40 | Kensan | I'd rather not... |
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| 20:55.56 | hannes-s | hi, does your freerunner work without a battery, with just the power chord attached? I'm trying to figure out whether my battery is broken |
| 20:56.14 | hannes-s | ...or the whole phone |
| 20:56.20 | stephelton | hannes-s: yeah mine works w/o battery |
| 20:56.37 | hannes-s | sh*t :/ |
| 20:56.48 | Dave | huh? |
| 20:57.02 | stephelton | hannes-s: i have had issues with shoddy usb cords, fwiw |
| 20:57.03 | Dave | it has to be booted for it to charge |
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| 20:57.16 | Dave | or it's possible your battery completely discharged |
| 20:57.17 | mjr | it "should" work without battery (except for the gsm part), yes |
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| 20:57.18 | Dave | and it cannot even boot |
| 20:58.36 | hannes-s | no, it doesn't show any sign of life. the battery is completely discharged (just ~2V between + and cc), but i guessed it should work with just the power chord attached. |
| 20:59.11 | hannes-s | the chord isn't broken, as I can measure some voltage ( |
| 20:59.16 | hannes-s | (~1.6V) |
| 20:59.39 | Dave | battery needs more juice to jumpstart it |
| 21:01.31 | Kensan | hannes-s: do you have a nokia phone battery? |
| 21:01.46 | hannes-s | no :/ |
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| 21:02.09 | SpeedEvil | Do you have a lightning storm, a mountain castle, and an assistant called Igor? |
| 21:02.45 | hannes-s | yeah, but unfortunately Igor is out on holiday ;-) |
| 21:03.23 | hannes-s | any other ideas on how I could check the phone without a working battery? |
| 21:03.59 | SpeedEvil | hannes-s: got a lab PSU? |
| 21:05.17 | hannes-s | what's a _lab_ PSU? |
| 21:05.36 | SpeedEvil | hannes-s: a power supply with variable voltage and current, and typically readouts of both. |
| 21:06.05 | cjb_ie | in particular, configurable ability to limit current |
| 21:06.29 | hannes-s | nope, just the standard-psu and a multimeter |
| 21:06.38 | SpeedEvil | it's variable |
| 21:07.31 | SpeedEvil | It's possible to do it with a resistor and a USB lead, but unless you know, I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 21:10.21 | hannes-s | sounds a little too risky for me, i guess |
| 21:10.39 | mmontour | hannes-s: try: insert battery, hold Aux, insert USB cable. See if you can get to the u-boot menu |
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| 21:10.42 | SpeedEvil | Have you left it plugged in while on USB conenctred? |
| 21:12.19 | hannes-s | SpeedEvil, yes, about 24hrs, but nothing happened |
| 21:13.36 | SpeedEvil | hannes-s: :( |
| 21:13.42 | hannes-s | mmontour, doesn't work |
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| 21:18.08 | Dave | Mmontour! |
| 21:22.50 | danwink | if you have more applications than fits on one home screen, how do you see next page? |
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| 21:32.06 | badcloud27m | anyone know when gta 3 is supposed to be released? |
| 21:32.45 | Dave | never |
| 21:32.47 | Dave | :p |
| 21:32.52 | Dave | Not for quite some time. |
| 21:33.06 | badcloud | hmmm, that's what I thought |
| 21:33.27 | badcloud | but you sound like you're sure |
| 21:33.35 | badcloud | why for some time? |
| 21:34.10 | badcloud | gta 1 is the 1973, right? |
| 21:34.34 | Dave | yes |
| 21:34.56 | badcloud | let's see the time difference between that and the freerunner then... |
| 21:35.09 | Dave | hah |
| 21:35.19 | Dave | that might not be a bad estimate (for starters) :P |
| 21:35.31 | Kensan | badcloud: GTA02 is not even working properly, it is going to be at least a year until GTA03 imho |
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| 21:35.46 | badcloud | right |
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| 21:35.59 | badcloud | just out of curiosity, what are some of the loose ends? |
| 21:36.15 | Wonka | *sigh* seems i can't force myself to wait for the gta04 then |
| 21:36.17 | Kensan | "not even working properly" is a bit harsh. There are still issues that need to be resolved. |
| 21:36.43 | badcloud | 04? they haven't come out with 03 |
| 21:36.45 | opentrinity | the same procedure to link with ssh today doesn't work...:-( |
| 21:37.04 | Kensan | badcloud: suspend+resume, GSM stability, power management (user-space stuff), full userspace stack |
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| 21:38.07 | badcloud | wow, that's a mouthful |
| 21:38.23 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah, sw-pillepalle. Buzz is a PITA e.g. |
| 21:38.37 | badcloud | looks like there's still a lot of work until the phone is close to being comfortable |
| 21:39.28 | badcloud | as far as 1973 and FR, the distance is a year apart |
| 21:39.49 | badcloud | even though that might not be good basis for predicting when 03 would show up |
| 21:40.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | sure it's not |
| 21:40.46 | badcloud | but I'll wait until the end of time before I buy a closed interface phone like iphone |
| 21:40.51 | badcloud | regardless of hardware |
| 21:43.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | soldering 0402 killed my brain, back, and eyes. *yawn* |
| 21:44.02 | cjb_ie | heh, try 0201s |
| 21:44.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
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| 21:44.32 | cjb_ie | those feckers stick onto the soldering iron |
| 21:44.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 21:44.46 | open|FAiDA | :-/ |
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| 21:45.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | iron is an utterly unmatced tool for SMT |
| 21:45.34 | pb_ | heh, 0201 sounds like no fun |
| 21:45.44 | opentrinity | lost connection |
| 21:45.48 | opentrinity | sorry |
| 21:45.57 | cjb_ie | DocScrutinizer2: when all you have is a hammer... |
| 21:47.07 | rooly | make hammerade? |
| 21:47.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | gnnhnnhn, kill 500,000 0402 with one hit of hammer :-) |
| 21:48.00 | cjb_ie | oh there's only about 20000 on a 6" reel |
| 21:48.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | ...it's time to fix an iPhone |
| 21:49.14 | cjb_ie | the tape takes up a /lot/ more space than the components contained therein |
| 21:49.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | 99.999% is tape |
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| 21:49.21 | cjb_ie | wonder how many 0201 you'd fit in a cubic centimetre |
| 21:49.33 | cjb_ie | lessee... 0201 = approx 0.5mm x 0.25mm |
| 21:49.43 | cjb_ie | x 0.25mm |
| 21:50.08 | cjb_ie | so 32 in a cubic mm |
| 21:50.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | 50,000 |
| 21:50.29 | cjb_ie | 32k in a cubic cm. yow. that's mindboggling. |
| 21:50.49 | opentrinity | usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr fa:34:68:61:5d:4a |
| 21:50.49 | opentrinity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.49 | opentrinity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.49 | opentrinity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.49 | opentrinity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.54 | opentrinity | why all this errors? |
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| 21:52.08 | baze | is pyroute usable on the freerunner? |
| 21:52.30 | baze | it looks really nice, but on wikipedia it says that pyroute on the fr would be slow |
| 21:53.49 | opentrinity | please help i'm disperate :-/ |
| 21:54.20 | opentrinity | this afternoon i try only udhcpc |
| 21:54.48 | opentrinity | ...now ssh does'nt work...where i wrong? |
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| 22:06.36 | Kensan | opentrinity: tried different cable? |
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| 22:14.28 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 22:15.13 | rysiek|pl | I have installed Om2008.8_updates (on an SD card), then opkg update && opkg upgrade and w00t - the application icons are *small* |
| 22:15.43 | rysiek|pl | wheree/how can I make them nice'n'big again (I think they were 64x64, now they're 16x16) |
| 22:16.01 | rysiek|pl | I've been asking google but to no avail |
| 22:16.33 | rysiek|pl | #openmoko_pl |
| 22:16.36 | rysiek|pl | argh |
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| 22:25.16 | Dave | KenYoung! |
| 22:25.46 | KenYoung | Hi Dave - How are things with you tonight? |
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| 22:26.48 | Dave | Alright :) |
| 22:26.53 | Dave | Going out in a bit. |
| 22:27.06 | Dave | I'll try to check out the night sky ;) |
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| 22:27.20 | KenYoung | Good good good! |
| 22:27.25 | Dave | It's overcast |
| 22:27.26 | Dave | but we'll see |
| 22:27.33 | Dave | It's really hard to see anything around the city :\ |
| 22:27.48 | Dave | fucking light pollution :( |
| 22:27.49 | KenYoung | Which city? |
| 22:27.59 | viq | Any city... |
| 22:28.02 | Dave | True :P |
| 22:28.05 | Dave | (NYC) |
| 22:28.17 | Dave | though I must say, some light pollution can be good |
| 22:28.31 | KenYoung | How so? |
| 22:28.44 | Dave | I really did like those September Eleventh memorialistic 0.5MW Lights they had up on 9/11 this year |
| 22:28.47 | Dave | :P |
| 22:28.54 | viq | Don't need to take out flashlight to look for keys? ;) |
| 22:28.57 | Dave | I was more impressed by the power requirements, but yeah it was nice :P |
| 22:29.42 | KenYoung | I can't quite bring myself to say light pollution is ever good. |
| 22:30.02 | Dave | heh, true :p |
| 22:30.07 | Dave | it can look nice a lot of the time |
| 22:30.10 | Dave | but yeah, it's never great |
| 22:30.17 | Dave | and mostly due to stupid designs |
| 22:30.37 | KenYoung | When I was a kid, I shot out the streetlights near my house. |
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| 22:33.15 | Dave | hahaha |
| 22:33.22 | Dave | You're such a rebel :p |
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| 22:37.52 | rysiek|pl | hi again |
| 22:37.59 | Dave | Greetings |
| 22:38.21 | rysiek|pl | I have an Om2008.8_update on an SD card |
| 22:38.31 | rysiek|pl | I have made an opkg upgrade and now: |
| 22:38.42 | rysiek|pl | 1. app icons in Home are tiny |
| 22:38.59 | rysiek|pl | 2. Settings manager (settings-daemon) hangs upon starting |
| 22:38.59 | Guest4103 | mwester here? |
| 22:39.10 | Dave | hah |
| 22:39.18 | Dave | that doesn't sound too good |
| 22:39.24 | rysiek|pl | 3. Installation GUI (assasin) does not start |
| 22:39.25 | Dave | Uh oh, IT'S YOU |
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| 22:39.49 | rysiek|pl | basically 1 and 3 are non-issues for me |
| 22:39.54 | johngay | Yes, it's me. You didn't expect to see ME again, did you? |
| 22:39.55 | rysiek|pl | but I need settings manager |
| 22:40.10 | rysiek|pl | any ideas? google doesn't help much here |
| 22:41.53 | Dave | Hahaha |
| 22:42.03 | Dave | Have you retarted since your opkg upgrade, rysiek? |
| 22:42.15 | rysiek|pl | hah, at least 3 times ;) |
| 22:42.40 | rysiek|pl | strace tells me it hangs on poll() call |
| 22:42.51 | Dave | oh |
| 22:42.52 | Dave | hmm |
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| 22:43.00 | Dave | that sounds normal |
| 22:43.06 | Dave | but that it's not receiving a signal |
| 22:43.13 | Dave | or something isn't connecting properly |
| 22:43.16 | Dave | as we can tell :) |
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| 22:43.26 | rysiek|pl | thank you captain obvious ;) |
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| 22:48.12 | Dave | hah, sorry :) |
| 22:48.32 | Dave | It's my job! ;) |
| 22:48.55 | rysiek|pl | no prob |
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| 22:56.51 | Wenwen | Gran Hermano 24 Horas Directo Gratis http://www.granhermano10-gh10.blogspot.com/ |
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| 23:07.02 | Wenwen | Gran Hermano 24 Horas Directo Gratis http://www.granhermano10-gh10.blogspot.com/ |
| 23:10.08 | rysiek|pl | hmm |
| 23:10.46 | rysiek|pl | what feed do I need to add to my Om2008.8_update to get python-optparse, pyton-pyrtc, python-pyyaml and framework-config |
| 23:11.15 | Dave | check the wiki |
| 23:11.26 | rysiek|pl | yeah, doing that |
| 23:11.28 | Dave | but should be point to downloads.openmoko.org |
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| 23:14.26 | rysiek|pl | Multiverse-feed.conf arch.conf om-gta02-feed.conf all-feed.conf armv4t-feed.conf angstrom-feed.conf neo1973-feed.conf |
| 23:14.29 | rysiek|pl | my feeds |
| 23:15.22 | Dave | hmm |
| 23:15.23 | Dave | okay |
| 23:15.35 | rysiek|pl | no python-pyyaml available, though: * Cannot find package python-pyyaml. |
| 23:16.28 | Dave | uhh |
| 23:16.35 | Dave | check in the celtune repository? |
| 23:18.02 | rysiek|pl | checking |
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| 23:19.23 | Dave | :D |
| 23:19.32 | Dave | Chances are it's in there. |
| 23:19.41 | Dave | But it's not necessarily the latest version. |
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| 23:20.03 | rysiek|pl | bullseye |
| 23:20.06 | Dave | :D |
| 23:20.20 | Dave | Celtune generally tends to house the packages missing from the main OM feeds :) |
| 23:21.11 | rysiek|pl | got it, I will comply ;) |
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| 23:24.26 | rysiek|pl | can't find optparser, though |
| 23:24.38 | Dave | :x |
| 23:24.40 | rysiek|pl | there's always something |
| 23:24.47 | Dave | you can always try to opkg search for it |
| 23:24.56 | Dave | opkg search *optparser* |
| 23:24.56 | rysiek|pl | ? |
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| 23:25.14 | rysiek|pl | null and void |
| 23:25.27 | Dave | o.O |
| 23:25.28 | Dave | :| |
| 23:25.29 | Dave | oh well |
| 23:25.59 | rysiek|pl | I remember I had the bugger |
| 23:26.06 | rysiek|pl | hmmm |
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| 23:30.08 | rysiek|pl | pyyaml also not here |
| 23:30.09 | rysiek|pl | ffs |
| 23:30.14 | rysiek|pl | time to go to sleep |
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| 23:40.15 | m0nt0 | hi everybody |
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| 23:41.38 | m0nt0 | i have a simple question: is it possible to wake up the phione after some defined time? let's say that when it's in suspend i want to wake it up every 10 minutes and then put it back to sleep, is it possible? |
| 23:44.34 | mwester | see if your firmware has "atd" |
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| 23:50.10 | m0nt0 | ohh mwester thanks for your kernels! :D |
| 23:50.31 | m0nt0 | well i know "at" and similar (cron crontab,...) |
| 23:50.49 | m0nt0 | but do they works when the FR is in suspend mode? |
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| 23:51.33 | m0nt0 | can i do "at now+10minutes wakeup.sh ; apm -s" or something similar? |
| 23:52.12 | lindi- | m0nt0: have some modem call you every 10 mins |
| 23:52.36 | m0nt0 | lol not a good solution |
| 23:53.01 | m0nt0 | also mine wants to be a bad workaround for the wsod |
| 23:54.02 | m0nt0 | in my case it happends when the phone is in suspend for more than 20mins, so i'd like to wake it up and then send it bak to sleep after a second when it's in suspend |
| 23:54.24 | m0nt0 | it's not good, but the battery should last enought this way |
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| 23:56.02 | mwester | creative solution... |
| 23:56.54 | mwester | And yes, if the atd (or equivalent for your firmware) does it correctly, it should set the RTC to wake the device at the correct time. |
| 23:57.32 | m0nt0 | mwester, yeah a dirty workaround, but it could work :D |
| 23:59.02 | m0nt0 | tomorro there is the linux day (don't know if only in italy) and i want to get my FR with me, but i need a phone and the batery should last at least 10 hours, whithout suspend is really difficult |
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